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- No one, no one had a clue

as to what was happening
for over a decade.

[eerie music]

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- He became
like a killing machine

out of control.

- There just seemed to be
an absence

of any moral compass.

He was an evil man.

- The manager came up

and complained about the smell.

He told the manager,
"Well, my fish died."

- He had a very good disguise.

- It's a process;
it doesn't happen overnight

when you depersonalize
another person

and view them as just an object,
an object for pleasure,

instead of a living, breathing
human being.

I had these obsessive desires
and thoughts,

wanting to control them.

- He immediately said,
"When you find out what I did,

you're gonna want to kill me."

- You love
who the true human being is,

and you take that with you
to your grave.

- He seemed like
a very normal boy.

He covered up so much.

- Murder.
- Necrophilia.

- Zombies.
- Religious ritual.

- Vats of acid.
- Body parts.

- Aroused.
- Consuming.

- Willing.
- Cooked them.

- Bad people.
- [tearfully] He was our son.

- I'm Nancy Glass.

After months of phone calls
and letters,

I'm sitting across
from Jeffrey Dahmer

in a small prison meeting room.

And face-to-face,

I can see how he got away
with his terrible crimes.

He appears completely normal.

That's what made him
so frightening.

In the second half
of our conversation,

he talks about
the most vicious acts...

Cannibalism, murder,
dismemberment...

In the most casual way.

He even says he's sorry.

He sounds thoughtful.

He sounds sincere.

But Jeffrey Dahmer was
a psychopath.

When you killed these men,

afterwards, were you repulsed?

Were you upset?

- No, it... at the time, it was...

It was almost addictive.

It was almost...

a surge of energy.

I wouldn't have to worry

about any of their needs
or anything.

I just had complete control
of the situation.

- The right way to think of him

is as having necrophilia.

Now, usually, we think
of necrophilia

as being about corpses.

I think it's more than that.

I think it is control

over the completely passive,
compliant partner

that he could fondle, hug,
touch, and lie with

as long as possible.

- He always said he didn't enjoy
murdering people.

He said that.
I don't doubt that.

But he enjoyed getting sex,

and he enjoyed getting it
against their will,

and he did what he had to do
to get it.

- He told me
his motivating force

was to have sex with a partner
who wouldn't leave him.

But more than that,
he wanted to be the aggressor,

and he didn't want
to be touched.

What do you want to say to
the families of the victims?

- I had no intention
of hurting them.

I was... I...

I was extremely selfish.

I was only thinking of myself,

my own pleasure, my own...

perverted desires.

- In the meantime,
he has men dying.

To dispose of them
required dismembering them.

He hated this process.

But if he drank enough,

he could lay down
sheets of plastic

and begin the process of cutting

and the hard work
of dismembering

and putting body parts
in vats of acid.

- When the bodies were
still in your apartment,

there was no time
when you would see them

and say, "This is grotesque"?

"What have I done?"

- There were times.
There were times.

But the compulsive obsession
with doing what I was doing

overpowered any feelings
of revulsion.

- In September of 1990,

Dahmer's victim count is seven,

and he would have
yet more bodies to dispose of.

22-year-old Ernest Miller
is a dance student

he meets outside a bookstore.

Dahmer murders
the talented dancer,

stuffs his entire skeleton

in the bottom
of a filing cabinet

in his apartment

and his heart and biceps
in his freezer.

Three weeks later,

Dahmer brings home
and strangles David Thomas,

a 22-year-old man
he meets outside a mall.

He has claimed nine lives,

and his routine becomes
even more twisted.

Why did you photograph them?

- It was my way of remembering
their appearance,

their physical beauty.

I also wanted to keep some...

If I couldn't keep them there
with me whole,

at least I felt that
I could keep their skeletons.

And I even went so far

as planning on setting up
an altar

with the ten different skulls
and skeletons.

- And what was the purpose
of the altar going to be?

- Uh, as a sort of memorial,

a point where I could...

I don't know.

It's so bizarre and strange,
it's hard to describe.

A place where I could collect
my thoughts

and feed my obsession.

- This is a sketch of the altar
drawn by Jeffrey Dahmer.

- The altar was not

of any religious ritual
involved.

It was as a memory of the people
that he had killed.

There just seemed to be
an absence

of any moral compass
in the man at all.

He was an evil man.

- And in Jeffrey Dahmer's mind,

this macabre ritual
has a purpose,

and it's something he has
no trouble describing

down to the goriest detail.

- I was branching out.

That's when
the cannibalism started,

eating of the heart
and the arm muscle.

It was a way of making me feel
that they were a part of me.

At first, it was just curiosity,

and then it became compulsive.

- Contrary
to what one might expect

of some wild frenzy
of consuming raw flesh,

what he did was to cook
a filet of biceps

that he'd kept in his freezer,

sit at a table,
and make a meal of it

while looking at photographs
of that person alive.

- Up next, Jeffrey Dahmer's
most terrifying idea yet.

- I tried
to keep the person alive

by inducing a zombie-like state.

- It's 1990, and Jeffrey Dahmer

is in the middle
of a killing spree,

which continues uninterrupted
and unnoticed for years.

He was pulled over by the police

with body parts in his car.

He had been arrested
for exposing himself

and for sexual assault
on a minor.

He was caught drugging men
at a bathhouse.

And still he wasn't stopped.

Emboldened
by these multiple close calls,

his violent compulsions
begin to evolve,

intensifying and becoming
more and more perverse

as he preys upon men
in Milwaukee.

How did you live
that double life?

How did you go to work?

How did you have

a normal relationship
with your family?

- When you try to keep
a terrible secret, like I was,

it warps every other aspect
of your life.

But I managed to...
I managed to go to work,

conduct myself
just like anyone else would.

- Well, I've been surviving
mostly on McDonald's food.

It's just so much easier just
to pop into the restaurant.

But like I've said before,
it gets too expensive,

and I have to start eating
at home more.

- Even his neighbors
were fooled.

- I don't know where he was
getting them guys from,

but he would take them
in his apartment, you know?

And there were a couple of them

that I didn't see them
come out of there,

and I had asked him about that.

He said, "Oh, well, maybe
you were in the bathroom

or something like that,
'cause they're gone."

- Why was it so easy, though,
for you to hide it all?

- I desensitized myself to it.

I... I...

I...

[exhales]

I don't know.
I went to great lengths.

I bought security systems,

installed them myself
in the apartment.

I had a video camera
in the corner of the room,

installed locks on the doors,

sirens and stuff

in case anyone broke in
to the apartment.

- I was there,

and because I taught the boys
how to clean

and take care of a home,

I went through the refrigerator,
the bathroom,

behind the shower curtain.

The fridge was fine.

The bathroom was fine.

Nothing had taken place
at that time.

- They said it was
absolutely clean, perfect.

- Right.

- How'd you hide from them?

- Everything was locked up,

either in the freezer
or in the file chest.

And so there was no evidence
laying in the open.

There was nothing abnormal
about the look of the apartment.

- Dahmer's father, Lionel,

is talking about his son
after years of silence.

He says he wants to share
his thoughts

on Jeffrey's terrible deeds
one last time.

- Everything that he did was...

You know, he seemed like
a very normal person.

He covered up so much.

And I wish that I had
really pushed harder

to find out what he's thinking

in his... about everything.

- You need to understand
at that point

in Lionel's life,
he was very, very naive.

If there's no communication,

you don't know
what the truth is.

- Did his father know
that at times,

his son was keeping secrets?

Yes.

But could he,
in his wildest dreams,

have imagined
that the secret was

that he was a serial killer
who had necrophilia

and had killed 17 people?

I can't imagine that's the case.

- And what's just as puzzling
is the fact

that neither the authorities
nor the general public

had any idea a serial killer

was systematically removing men

from the streets of Milwaukee.

- Every year,
many young men disappear.

They have a fight
with their girlfriend,

get fired from the job,

have a fight with the family,
and leave.

And they're gone a couple weeks
and come back home.

They give it very different
investigative efforts

compared when a young woman
disappears.

No one had even a suspicion
that a serial slayer was afoot.

- By the spring of 1991,

Dahmer's victim count
reaches double digits.

He lures 17-year-old
Curtis Straughter

from a bus stop,
then strangles him to death.

Next, Dahmer would move on
to a new obsession.

- Mr. Dahmer had been
sexually aroused

by the idea of having sex
with a dead body.

He also, at times, had fantasies

about having sex
with what he referred to

as "zombies,"
human beings that existed

somewhere between being dead
and being alive,

something he later on
actually ended up acting upon.

- His experiments lead
to the death

of his 11th victim,
Errol Lindsey.

A month later, he fails again,

this time
with 31-year-old Tony Hughes,

a deaf man
who Dahmer communicates with

through written notes.

- I tried
to keep the person alive

by inducing
a zombie-like state...

By injecting first
a dilute acid solution

into their brain or hot water.

And it never did
completely work.

- Could someone like you
be stopped?

Could you be helped?

- No, I was...

I was dead set on going
with this compulsion.

It was the only thing
that gave me any...

any satisfaction.

- He later shares the details
with a forensic psychologist.

- After two failed attempts
at creating zombies,

Dahmer tries for a third time
in May 1991.

That would lead
to his closest call yet.

- He looked like a little kid.

He had a towel around,

and it had blood,

and he had blood running
down his leg.

- The boy is 14-year-old
Konerak Sinthasomphone.

Injured and drugged, he escaped

when Jeffrey Dahmer
left the apartment

to buy beer.

In a terrible twist of fate,
he's the younger brother

of the boy Dahmer was arrested
for molesting

three years earlier.

- What had already happened

that the police
couldn't possibly have known

is that Mr. Dahmer
had drilled a small hole

in the skull of this young man

and poured a caustic substance
into it,

thinking that he now created
a zombie.

- They didn't see the drillings
into the head

that he had conducted.

Apparently, it was under
the hairline.

- The incoherent boy
is with the police

when Dahmer returns,

but instead of fleeing
the scene,

he acts as cool as ever.

- Dahmer went right up
to the police and says,

"This is my lover.

"If you come, I'll take you back
to my apartment.

Here's his clothes."

They were all folded
on the couch.

- Mr. Dahmer did keep his wits

and persuaded them by showing
some pictures

that this young lad
had voluntarily taken

that these were just two
consenting homosexual adults

engaging in sexual activity.

I don't think the police
recognized the age

of this young man at that time.

- The body of the last victim,
Tony Hughes, is still there,

but the police
don't look around.

Instead, they leave the boy
in the apartment with Dahmer.

- Did that play an element
in it,

that there were homosexuals
involved, possibly?

I can't assess that.

I think that would be
a harsh judgment.

- During the incident
where the police were called...

- Mm-hmm.

- And the young boy
was returned to you,

that didn't wake you up at all?

The police on your doorstep?

- They were... they were
in the apartment.

They were actually in
the apartment,

and there was a dead young man
in the bedroom

on the floor.

I couldn't believe it when...

When it turned out
that they... they...

They didn't see anything.

I just... I couldn't believe it.

And yes, it did shock me
but not enough to quit.

That's how strong
the compulsion was.

- Any neighbors
with lingering suspicions

are assured by the police

that nothing
is out of the ordinary,

as you'll hear in this 911 call.

- Well, the next day,
Dahmer killed him.

- Konerak Sinthasomphone
was Dahmer's 13th victim.

Up next...

Did you like feeling evil?
- No.

No, I didn't.

- After the close call
with the police

in May of 1991,

Jeffrey Dahmer's killing
accelerates

to a dizzying pace.

Within a week, he murders
20-year-old Matt Turner

and 23-year-old
Jeremiah Weinberger.

Only ten days later,
he strangles

24-year-old Oliver Lacy.

- Things just began
to deteriorate.

He became like a killing machine
out of control.

There were just body parts,
at the end, all over the place.

- Before long, his neighbors
report a foul stench

coming from somewhere
on their floor.

- Ooh.

I can't even describe it.

It's a horrible smell.

I know me and Jeff went up and
down the hallways, smelling...

You know, trying to see
where it was coming from.

- The landlord eventually
tracks the smell

to Dahmer's apartment.

- He told the manager,
"Well, my fish died."

Then he told him,
"My meat spoiled."

And then the third time,

the manager came up
and told him...

Complained about the smell,
he told him,

"You're gonna be evicted
next month."

- I went in
to help him clean up,

and he told me... he said,
"It's the freezer over there

"that my grandma has sent me
some meat,

"and I put it in there,
and I went back to her house,

and I forgot to plug it in."

I haven't been around
no dead people.

I don't know anything
about how they smell.

He had a very good disguise.

That's what it was.

- Jeffrey Dahmer begins
to miss work

and is fired from his job
at the chocolate factory.

Killing becomes
his only function in life.

Two days later,
25-year-old Joseph Bradehoft

becomes Dahmer's 17th
and final victim.

Three days later,
Dahmer's reign of terror

comes crashing to a halt.

- Oh, Lord.
[chuckles]

That was not a good night
for me.

I was home by myself,
and Jeff was having...

Jeff was having some company
or something,

'cause I could hear music,
a radio or something playing.

- The company she hears
is Tracy Edwards,

a man Jeffrey Dahmer met
at a mall

and convinces to come back
to his apartment.

- He was out of Halcion,

so he had handcuffs,

and he persuaded Edwards
to get one handcuff on,

and he said he wanted
to photograph him in bondage,

so he wanted to put
the other one on.

Well, Edwards says,

"You're not gonna put
that second one on."

- At the trial, Edwards gives
a harrowing account

of the night's events.

- He told me
to lay down face down,

put both of my hands
behind my back.

I kind of, like,
laid on my side.

For some reason, I guess
God told me not to lay flat down

and let this person handcuff me,
so I didn't.

He kind of laid across me,

put his head across my chest
at that point

like he was listening
to my heart,

'cause at that point, he told me

he was gonna eat my heart
at that point.

The "Exorcist" movie
was playing at that time.

- This was part
of Jeffrey Dahmer's ritual.

He would watch "Exorcist III"
before every murderous outing.

- I felt so hopelessly evil
and perverted

that...

that I actually derived
a sort of pleasure

from watching that tape.

- Did you like feeling evil?

- No, no, I didn't.

But I had tried to overcome
the thoughts,

and it worked for a while,
but eventually I gave in.

- Jeffrey took him
into his room.

They were both sitting
on the bed.

And Dahmer was rocking
back and forth

and kind of humming,
making noises.

[ominous music]

- I said, "Well, at least
I'm gonna die trying.

I'm not just gonna sit here."

And then I just...
For some reason, I said,

"Well, I need to go
to the bathroom,"

and he didn't follow me
at that point.

And I ran out.

- He goes up to a squad car,
says, "Hey,

can you help me
take this handcuff off?"

The police ask him
what's happening.

They try.
They can't.

So they head back
to Dahmer's house

to get the key.

- So they went back
to the apartment with Edwards.

Dahmer, of course,
was drinking or drunk.

- In an open dresser drawer
in plain sight

are close to 80 Polaroids
documenting Dahmer's victims...

Naked, posed, and dismembered.

- Officer yelled,
"Get the cuffs on him"

or something like that.

And the other one came out
in the hallway,

and I was running down that way
to get out of the way,

'cause I said, "I don't know
what they're doing.

I don't know what they found."

- We're investigating
a homicide that's occurred

in the apartment building

in the 900 block
of North 25th Street.

- It's obvious that there is...
Has been a number

of human specimens found
within the apartment.

- The evidence collected

is straight out of
a horror film:

severed heads, bleached skulls,

a 57-gallon vat of acid
used to dissolve human flesh.

And inside the refrigerator,

neatly packaged body parts
ready for consumption.

What was the turning point
for you

that made you suddenly realize

that you had done something
terribly wrong,

something you should be
sorry for?

- It was the night
of the arrest.

I have no memory
of what happened

during the s durirs

before the last victim ran
out of the apartment.

I heard a knock on the door,
and the police were there

with the last victim.

They asked me where the key was
to the handcuffs.

I was... my mind was in a haze.

I sort of pointed
to the bedroom,

and that's where they found
the pictures.

And they yelled, "Cuff him."

I was handcuffed.

And it was just the realization

that there was no point
in trying to hide...

Hide my actions anymore.

The best route was to help,
help the police

identify all the victims

and just make
a complete confession.

- Well, at 3:00,
I got a phone call.

They had a subject in custody

that had skulls in his apartment

and body parts, at which time

I immediately said,
"You're screwing with me."

I went in
and introduced myself to Jeff,

and he immediately said,

"When you find out what I did,
you're gonna want to kill me."

Then we says, "Well, let's
start from the beginning."

And he said, "Well, that was
a long time ago."

And we said, "What... what year?"

And he says, "'78."

- Starting
with the disappearance

of Steven Hicks
back in Bath, Ohio,

Dahmer describes every murder
in detail

all the way up
to Joseph Bradehoft

just days before the arrest.

It starts to become clear
that Dahmer had a type.

- Interestingly enough,
disproportionately,

Dahmer's victims
were African-American.

- 10 of your 17 victims
were black.

Were they racially motivated
crimes?

- It was not racially motivated.

It was not sexual preference.

It was just to find...
An obsession

with the best-looking
young man I could find.

- The only time I saw Dahmer
get mad

is when he was accused
of being biased against blacks.

It wasn't true.

He just was crazy sick.

- Everyone
in the law enforcement,

ranging from the policemen
who arrested him

to the attorney,

thought he covered up everything

so extremely well

that they had no idea of what
was going on in his mind.

- We didn't hear
about the extent

till it came out in the papers
and he was in jail.

It's not a pleasant experience
to go through.

But my concern was taking care
of my husband.

- But Lionel's main concern
was his mother,

who lived in the house

where murders three, four,
and five were committed.

- All the four newspapers,

they were camped out
across the street,

and it was just endless.

- She just couldn't imagine.

She just... it didn't register
how bad it was.

We kept it from her,
but when she finally was told,

she finally succumbed
to dementia.

- Despite the terrible effect

the discovery of Jeffrey's
crimes had on the family,

they wanted to go to trial.

- At that time, I was thinking

that the mystery could be solved
as to why he did these things

by being examined
by a psychologist.

As it turned out, it...

It seemed to me
a useless exercise.

I know the real reason:

there was a lack of connection
with our creator.

- Up next...

How should you be punished?

- Well, there's no question

that I deserve
the death penalty.

- In early 1992,

serial killer Jefferey Dahmer
is about to stand trial

for 15 of his 17 murders.

But this trial
isn't to establish guilt.

That has been weighed.

This is to determine sanity.

His family wants him
declared insane

so he can be treated by
mental health professionals.

- All rise.
[gavel bangs]

- Despite the pain
of hearing the details

of their son's crimes,

the Dahmers never miss
a day in court.

- If you look at the early films
of Jeff in court,

you'll see him
in this striped shirt,

looking somewhat like
a vagabond.

Well, I took Lionel's suit in,
and we gave it to Jeff.

He went to court
looking like a gentleman.

[tearfully]
Because he was our son.

- Hearing about the crimes
was just horrible.

I mean, it was just
overwhelming.

And all we could do
was sit there and listen

with the hope that the
psychologists that were involved

could find out what caused him
to do these things.

But I think, in the end,
the reason

that caused him to do
what he did...

He just wasn't with God.

- Jeffrey Dahmer told me he
never wanted to go to trial.

He just wanted to go to prison
and take his punishment.

But that didn't happen.

You're wearing glasses now.

- Right.

- You didn't during the trial.

Why not?

- I... I didn't want to...

I felt uncomfortable
looking anyone in the face.

I didn't want to...

see anyone's face clearly.

It helped me dissociate myself
from what was happening.

- Dahmer didn't have to look,
but he did have to listen.

- He tried tasting
the flesh and the heart.

He reported that it had
a beef-like flavor.

- Do you still feel

those same urges?

Do you still feel
that compulsion, that obsession?

- I wish I could say
that it just left completely,

but no, there are times
when I still do...

Still do have
the old compulsion.

- Could someone like you
be stopped?

Could you be helped?

- No, I was...

I was dead set
on going with this compulsion.

It was the only thing
that gave me any...

Any satisfaction.

- Jerry Boyle argued

that Dahmer was like
a locomotive out of control,

speeding down the track
as he killed more people,

lost any sensitivity to it.

That would come under
the hypothesis, then,

that he was insane,

'cause he couldn't control
what he was doing.

I can understand
that someone might say,

"He must be crazy."

I can understand that.

He was not.

- Did the defendant,
Jeffrey L. Dahmer,

have a mental disease?

Answer: no.

[people cheer]

- Ultimately, the jury
finds Dahmer guilty

and legally sane
at the time of the murders.

After the verdict,
the families of the victims

are allowed to address
the killer.

- Jeffrey, I hate you,
motherf... er!

I hate you!

This is out of control!

- One woman in particular
really got angry.

What did you think
when she was doing that?

- I couldn't blame her a bit.

I'm surprised
there wasn't more of that.

- You know, there's nothing
that you can say to someone

who is extremely distraught

except to give them empathy

and try to convince them

that you really do care
very, very much.

And I do.

- [yelling]

- Mr. Dahmer,
you do have the right

to address the court
at this time.

- Your Honor, I know that you
are about to sentence me.

I ask for no consideration.

Thank you, Your Honor,

and I am prepared
for your sentence,

which I know will be
the maximum.

- The court will impose
the mandatory life sentence...

[dramatic music]

Plus an additional ten years

on the habitual criminality.

- With the death penalty
not an option in Wisconsin,

Dahmer is given
more than 15 life sentences

equaling 936 years.

Soon after, he's extradited
to Ohio...

- To the charge
of aggravated murder...

- Where he's convicted
for the murder

of his first victim,
Steven Hicks.

Dahmer is never charged
with the 1987 murder

of Steven Tuomi.

Although he claimed
responsibility,

Dahmer says he was blacked out
during the act,

and there was
no further evidence

linking him to the crime.

It was the only murder
he confessed to

that he was not convicted of.

Regardless, the sentences
are more than enough

to put minds at rest.

Jeffrey Dahmer would spend
the rest of his life

behind bars.

- When he had first gotten
locked up down there,

he wanted me to come down there
and see him.

But by then, I was terrified
of him.

I know Jeffrey who used to stay
across the hall from me.

That Dahmer guy
is somebody else.

No.

- He confided
that he stayed up all night

and slept all day

because he couldn't face
the daylight

and the memories
of the brutal crimes

that defined his life.

- Usually wake up
at 6:30 in the morning,

go eat breakfast,

and then sleep until noon,

wake up for lunch,

and sleep until about 4:00
in the afternoon,

eat dinner,

and then spend
the greater portion of the night

watching TV.

- But how does a family
even attempt

to reconcile the thought

that a man who is
their own flesh and blood

is also the most evil criminal
imaginable?

- I had these many, many
discussions with him

on the phone.

It was always Shari and I

who would visit him
at the prison,

and Shari was extremely
instrumental

in bringing Jeff and I
and her together

into a very loving relationship.

- He was very embarrassed
about being in prison.

He would try to hide
his handcuffs.

He was embarrassed.

He apologized,
but you have to understand

he's not...

He's not going to sit there
and bleed about his crimes.

- It really was irrelevant,
at that point,

to talk about.

- No, no.

What would it serve
to be angry with him?

- I try not to think too deeply
about anything,

because then I get depressed.

I try to figure out
why this happened,

what started these thoughts
in my head

at such a young age,

whether this has any...
Any meaning to it

or whether this is all
just a horrible coincidence,

you know, all the events
in my life.

I feel that I'm better off here

than I was on the outside,
doing what I was doing.

- You're glad you're in prison.

- I think it's best
for everyone, right.

- As prisoners often do,

Dahmer turns to God
while behind bars.

- Got a phone call.

It was from a minister friend
of mine in Milwaukee

who said that there was
an inmate

who wanted to be baptized.

I said, "Okay, I've never
done this before, but sure.

What's his name?"

He said, "You better sit down
for this one.

It's Jeffrey Dahmer."

- Up next...

What do you think happens
after you die?

- Right.
That's the big unknown.

- Sentenced to almost
a millennium in prison,

convicted serial killer
Jeffrey Dahmer

embraces religion.

He asks Roy Ratcliff,

then a minister
in the Church of Christ,

to baptize him.

- He'd begun to think
more deeply,

and that was primarily
to save his soul,

to get his soul right with God.

- Dahmer's father, Lionel,

by now a devout Christian
himself,

uses this opportunity
to bond with his son.

- I told him that there are

many, many, many people
in this world

who think that Genesis,
the first book of the Bible,

is some type of a myth
instead of actual history.

And he ordered roughly 13 books

on the evolution-creation
controversy,

and he became convinced,

and then he attempted
to follow through

and live as holy a life
as he could.

- But at the same time,
Dahmer told me

he never conquered
his deadly impulses.

If you were out
on the street now,

would you still be
committing the crimes?

- Probably.

If this hadn't happened,

there's no doubt
I probably would be.

I can't think of anything
that would have stopped me.

- Jeff told us
when he was in prison

that he should never be
turned loose,

because he would do
the same thing again.

Now, that requires a great deal

of soul-searching and honesty.

- You know the families
of the victims

don't believe in your conversion

or your sorrow.

- Oh, right.

And if I was on the...
On their end of the table,

I wouldn't either.

Ultimately, I'm accountable
to the Lord Jesus Christ.

He'll be my final judge.

- Can your sins be forgiven?

- The Lord Jesus Christ's
shed blood

is powerful enough
to wipe out even my sins.

- One of the most beautiful
things that occurred

when Jeff was in prison,
if you can call it beautiful...

I made friends with one of
the victims' sisters,

and I was able to get her in
to visit Jeff.

As nervous as Jeff was,

he was able to tell her
how her brother died.

And she needed that for closure.

- And she ended up saying
that she forgave Jeff,

because she knew
that it was something

that was completely
overpowering Jeff.

- How should you be punished?

- Well, there's no question

that I deserve
the death penalty.

I've wondered myself

why I don't have
the death penalty.

That's what I deserve;
I deserve death.

- What do you think happens
after you die?

- Right.
That's the big unknown.

I've thought of... I've had
thoughts of suicide.

But I just haven't been able
to carry them through.

So I don't know
what the future will hold.

- Mr. Dahmer was the subject
of an attack

at the Columbia
Correctional Institution.

- He was beaten to death
in prison yesterday.

- The slaying ended a life
of sadism, serial murder,

and cannibalism.

- Dahmer is beaten to death
by a fellow inmate.

Ironically, he's killed
by a barbell,

the same object he'd used
on Steven Hicks

16 years earlier.

For the first time,
Jeffrey's father talks

about his son's death.

- How did his death affect me?

- It...

I was brought into a room

where he was lying

after being bludgeoned.

And it struck me so emotionally

that I touched him
and I said, "Oh, Jeff.

"Jeff.

Jeff."

It was extremely
emotionally devastating

just to see him.

Disregarding
all of the horrible things

that his demented state
caused him to do,

I was at least very, very glad

that he had done
what we believers believe.

- Lionel said that his son
didn't put up a fight

when he was attacked.

Well, when I talked to Jeffrey,
it was clear

that he wanted to die.

He said
he even considered suicide.

But after embracing
Christianity,

he felt that, of all things,
would be too great a sin.

- I love the human beings

who have been in my life
and who may have failed.

I have failed.

But the important thing is,

you love
who the true human being is,

and you take that with you
to your grave.

- I'm very, very proud
that in the end,

he did everything
that was required

for the initial salvation.

I believe he's with God.

He forgave Jeff

according to what's said
in the Scriptures,

and therefore I forgive Jeff.

- Originally, I didn't believe
in the concept

of evil, but now I do.

I'm talking about someone
who exhibits

unbelievable cruelty on others

simply for their own purposes,

I think is a pretty good
definition of evil.

And I think
it's a pretty good understanding

of Jeffrey Dahmer.

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