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>> she was chosen. Since she lived down the street from me,

lived down the street from me, I could watch the coming and

I could watch the coming and going quite easily. Snuck into

going quite easily. Snuck into the house. She wasn't there. I

the house. She wasn't there. I went back to one of the

went back to one of the bedrooms and hid. >> welcome to

bedrooms and hid. >> welcome to "very scary people." I'm donnie

"very scary people." I'm donnie wahlberg. After torturing and

wahlberg. After torturing and killing seven people, demented

killing seven people, demented serial killer btk contacted

serial killer btk contacted police to boast about his

police to boast about his brutal acts. He threatened more

brutal acts. He threatened more victims would follow. His real

victims would follow. His real identity was still a complete

identity was still a complete mystery. He dared cops to find

mystery. He dared cops to find him. The city of wichita was on

him. The city of wichita was on edge. Wichita police form a

edge. Wichita police form a secret task force of seasoned

secret task force of seasoned detectives to track down btk.

Detectives to track down btk. They need to capture him before

they need to capture him before he kills again. Here is part

he kills again. Here is part two of "btk, the taunting." >>

two of "btk, the taunting." >> wichita, kansas, was in the

wichita, kansas, was in the middle of america, and nobody

middle of america, and nobody locked their doors. It was a

locked their doors. It was a great little town to be from.

Great little town to be from. >> the morning of January 15,

>> the morning of January 15, 1974, was just a regular school

1974, was just a regular school day in the otero household --

day in the otero household -- until the unthinkable happens.

Until the unthinkable happens. An intruder enters their home

an intruder enters their home and commits atrocities against

and commits atrocities against this innocent family. >> I saw

this innocent family. >> I saw my parent's bodies -- it just

my parent's bodies -- it just felt like somebody had ripped

felt like somebody had ripped my chest wide open and pulled

my chest wide open and pulled my heart out. >> and

my heart out. >> and investigators are trying to

investigators are trying to piece together the evidence and

piece together the evidence and find the killer when, in April,

find the killer when, in April, another brutal killing. >> when

another brutal killing. >> when the crime-scene investigators

the crime-scene investigators from the dna stain on the

from the dna stain on the female clothing, they dna

female clothing, they dna testing at that time. And so

testing at that time. And so they packaged it properly,

they packaged it properly, sealed it up, and put it with

sealed it up, and put it with the rest of the evidence. >>

the rest of the evidence. >> and wichita instantly changed.

And wichita instantly changed. It wasn't an innocent city

it wasn't an innocent city anymore. >> killer breaks in.

Anymore. >> killer breaks in. He's lying in wait. And he's

he's lying in wait. And he's thinking he will be able to

thinking he will be able to subdue her and do whatever he

subdue her and do whatever he wants and fill his fantasy. >>

wants and fill his fantasy. >> btk studied a lot about police

btk studied a lot about police techniques. He knew that the

techniques. He knew that the police, basically, were looking

police, basically, were looking for a common m.O. >> the btk

for a common m.O. >> the btk nomenclature -- "bind, torture,

nomenclature -- "bind, torture, kill." and that's how he wanted

kill." and that's how he wanted to be known. >> so he then sits

to be known. >> so he then sits down and creates a very

down and creates a very elaborate letter that he will

elaborate letter that he will then send to kake-tv. >> the

then send to kake-tv. >> the writer, who claimed to be btk,

writer, who claimed to be btk, admitted to the murders of the

admitted to the murders of the otero family, shirley vian,

otero family, shirley vian, nancy fox. He admitted to and

nancy fox. He admitted to and gave details of all of those

gave details of all of those homicides. >> we have an

homicides. >> we have an individual who apparently has

individual who apparently has the uncontrollable desire to

the uncontrollable desire to kill at times. This individual

kill at times. This individual is responsible for seven

is responsible for seven murders in our city. >> nobody

murders in our city. >> nobody knew where, when, why, or who

knew where, when, why, or who was gonna be next. >> the idea

was gonna be next. >> the idea behind the ghostbusters was to

behind the ghostbusters was to have people that didn't have

have people that didn't have any impressions of the

any impressions of the investigation up to that point,

investigation up to that point, who can put some fresh eyes on

who can put some fresh eyes on it. >> we're gonna look at it

it. >> we're gonna look at it from, "hey, do we need to go

from, "hey, do we need to go back and out and reinterview

back and out and reinterview people? Could we possibly have

people? Could we possibly have interviewed someone with

interviewed someone with important information and we

important information and we missed it? " >> the first part

missed it? " >> the first part of the ghostbusters was just

of the ghostbusters was just getting the case together. The

getting the case together. The case was all over the police

case was all over the police department. It was in boxes, it

department. It was in boxes, it was in folders in people's

was in folders in people's houses. The ghostbusters

houses. The ghostbusters brought order to a dispersal of

brought order to a dispersal of records. >> part of the work

records. >> part of the work was establishing a department

was establishing a department database. >> we would look at,

database. >> we would look at, for example, there was a

for example, there was a certain gun ■hich was used in-%f

certain gun ■hich was used in-%f his who actually lived right

his who actually lived right down the street. >> he will cut

down the street. >> he will cut the phone line,

the phone line, >> he will cut the phone line,

>> he will cut the phone line, he will enter the house, and he

he will enter the house, and he will wait for her to come home.

Will wait for her to come home. >> she didn't come home for

>> she didn't come home for quite a while, and when she did,

quite a while, and when she did, she came in with a man, and the

she came in with a man, and the two of them were talking. >>

two of them were talking. >> they hang around, watch tv. He

they hang around, watch tv. He grows impatient as he sits in a

grows impatient as he sits in a closet or something, waiting

closet or something, waiting for her. Eventually, her date

for her. Eventually, her date will leave. She'll go to bed.

Will leave. She'll go to bed. >> and then he comes out,

>> and then he comes out, surprises, shocks marine hedge,

surprises, shocks marine hedge, and kills her. >> this one was

and kills her. >> this one was different, however. After he

different, however. After he strangled her, he removed her

strangled her, he removed her body and transported it from

body and transported it from her home to the basement of the

her home to the basement of the local lutheran church. He poses

local lutheran church. He poses the body. He photographs it.

The body. He photographs it. He's going to save those

he's going to save those souvenirs for later. And then

souvenirs for later. And then he throws her body in a ditch,

he throws her body in a ditch, so much like a piece of trash.

So much like a piece of trash. So his m.O. Is actually shaping

so his m.O. Is actually shaping and changing and morphing over

and changing and morphing over time. >> this is a change again

time. >> this is a change again in his m.O. Because he was also

in his m.O. Because he was also selecting an older victim

selecting an older victim because he was now older, and

because he was now older, and he wanted to be able to

he wanted to be able to physically control the person.

Physically control the person. >> btk's next murder occurred

>> btk's next murder occurred in 1991, with a 62-year-old

in 1991, with a 62-year-old victim, dolores davis. >> I had

victim, dolores davis. >> I had cased the place before, and I

cased the place before, and I really couldn't figure out how

really couldn't figure out how to get in, and she was in the

to get in, and she was in the house, so I finally just

house, so I finally just selected a concrete block and

selected a concrete block and threw it through the

threw it through the plate-glass window. >> he

plate-glass window. >> he didn't mess around on this one.

Didn't mess around on this one. He just threw a big block

he just threw a big block through the window while she

through the window while she was sitting there reading. And

was sitting there reading. And he'll attack her and kill her,

he'll attack her and kill her, remove her. He will take her to

remove her. He will take her to a bridge out in the county,

a bridge out in the county, under the bridge, where it will

under the bridge, where it will become light. He's running out

become light. He's running out of time, so he has to leave her,

of time, so he has to leave her, and he will come back the next

and he will come back the next night with a mask that he will

night with a mask that he will put on her, and he'll take

put on her, and he'll take pictures. That body is

pictures. That body is discovered by a boy waking his

discovered by a boy waking his dog the next day. >> by this

dog the next day. >> by this time, he's been killing for

time, he's been killing for almost 20 years or so, but now

almost 20 years or so, but now he's in his 40s. He's aging

he's in his 40s. He's aging out. He's learned from his

out. He's learned from his crimes. He's been fought

crimes. He's been fought against, overpowered. He has

against, overpowered. He has made a lot of mistakes. He

made a lot of mistakes. He wants to make sure he still

wants to make sure he still gets away with it.

Gets away with it. >> lieutenant landwehr was the

>> lieutenant landwehr was the homicide commander and was a

homicide commander and was a legend with the wichita police

legend with the wichita police department. Before he was a

department. Before he was a lieutenant, he was a patrol

lieutenant, he was a patrol officer, and he was assigned to

officer, and he was assigned to that initial ghostbusters task

that initial ghostbusters task force which was to look at the

force which was to look at the btk case. In the late'90s, our

btk case. In the late'90s, our homicide unit started looking

homicide unit started looking at some cold cases and picking

at some cold cases and picking out cases that might be

out cases that might be dna-solvable, now that we had

dna-solvable, now that we had this dna science coming on

this dna science coming on board. Lieutenant landwehr

board. Lieutenant landwehr assigned vicki wegerle's

assigned vicki wegerle's cold-case murder to myself and

cold-case murder to myself and my partner, dana gouge. He

my partner, dana gouge. He didn't say at all, nor would

didn't say at all, nor would have ever, "this is a btk case.

Have ever, "this is a btk case. I know it is. That's how I want

I know it is. That's how I want you to work it."

you to work it." >> when bill wegerle came home

>> when bill wegerle came home that day for lunch, he walked

that day for lunch, he walked through the house looking for

through the house looking for his wife, vicki. When he found

his wife, vicki. When he found her body, she had been bound.

Her body, she had been bound. He used a knife to cut some of

he used a knife to cut some of the bindings off of her as he

the bindings off of her as he called the police. They

called the police. They transported her to a hospital,

transported her to a hospital, and life-saving efforts didn't

and life-saving efforts didn't work, and she'd been strangled

work, and she'd been strangled to death. When we reviewed the

to death. When we reviewed the initial investigation of

initial investigation of vicki's murder, we realized

vicki's murder, we realized that her kansas driver's

that her kansas driver's license had been missing.

License had been missing. Lieutenant landwehr had told us

lieutenant landwehr had told us that his belief on the case was

that his belief on the case was that it probably was not the

that it probably was not the husband, based upon that

husband, based upon that driver's license being missing.

Driver's license being missing. However, the detectives that

however, the detectives that worked it in 1986 focused

worked it in 1986 focused really hard on the husband,

really hard on the husband, thinking it was a domestic

thinking it was a domestic violence issue. The license had

violence issue. The license had never been recovered.

Never been recovered. >> it was January of 2004,

>> it was January of 2004, which was the 30th anniversary

which was the 30th anniversary of the otero murders, and "the

of the otero murders, and "the wichita eagle" decided to write

wichita eagle" decided to write a story about btk.

A story about btk. >> "the eagle" ran a story,

>> "the eagle" ran a story, saying it had been 30 years

saying it had been 30 years since the first btk deaths. In

since the first btk deaths. In part of the story, the reporter

part of the story, the reporter talked to professor beattie, a

talked to professor beattie, a local college professor and

local college professor and author. When he would mention

author. When he would mention btk in his classes, his

btk in his classes, his students had no idea who btk

students had no idea who btk was.

Was. >> 30 years had passed.

>> 30 years had passed. >> this is sort of fading into

>> this is sort of fading into wichita's history, and there

wichita's history, and there was a lot of speculation --

was a lot of speculation -- "well, he's probably dead, " or,

"well, he's probably dead, " or, "he left the state, " or, you

"he left the state, " or, you know, "all of this is in the

know, "all of this is in the past." btk read the story, and

past." btk read the story, and he noted in there that people

he noted in there that people were saying that he was dead.

Were saying that he was dead. Beattie said he was writing a

beattie said he was writing a book about this, and that

book about this, and that really bothered btk because he

really bothered btk because he felt that nobody could write

felt that nobody could write his story other than himself,

his story other than himself, that he had to be the one to do

that he had to be the one to do it, and this aggravated him. If

it, and this aggravated him. If anybody's gonna tell my story,

anybody's gonna tell my story, I'm gonna do it."

I'm gonna do it." >> when he saw that story, he

>> when he saw that story, he decided, "I'm back. I'm

decided, "I'm back. I'm starting up again." nobody in

starting up again." nobody in 2004 expected that.

2004 expected that. >> so, a little while after

>> so, a little while after "the eagle" had its story about

"the eagle" had its story about the 30th anniversary of the

the 30th anniversary of the otero deaths, a letter came

otero deaths, a letter came into the newsroom, and the

into the newsroom, and the return address was bill thomas

return address was bill thomas killman, the initial as in

killman, the initial as in "btk." inside were three pretty

"btk." inside were three pretty blurry photos of somebody lying

blurry photos of somebody lying on a floor and a driver's

on a floor and a driver's license.

License. >> my partner dana gouge and I

>> my partner dana gouge and I are sitting in the homicide

are sitting in the homicide unit, working on cases. A

unit, working on cases. A captain came up to the unit and

captain came up to the unit and was holding an envelope in his

was holding an envelope in his hand, and he said that a

hand, and he said that a reporter from "the eagle"

reporter from "the eagle" newspaper said, "this is a

newspaper said, "this is a weird letter we got at the

weird letter we got at the paper. It appears to have a

paper. It appears to have a photocopy of three polaroid

photocopy of three polaroid pictures of some female laying

pictures of some female laying on the ground inside of a

on the ground inside of a house." I will never forget

house." I will never forget when dana gouge opened that

when dana gouge opened that letter. He looked at what he

letter. He looked at what he had in front of him, he slid it

had in front of him, he slid it across the desk to me, and

across the desk to me, and there were three polaroid

there were three polaroid photograph photocopies of vicki

photograph photocopies of vicki wegerle laying dead in her

wegerle laying dead in her home. Also, with those three

home. Also, with those three polaroids, was a photocopy of

polaroids, was a photocopy of her missing kansas driver's

her missing kansas driver's license and the initials btk.

License and the initials btk. That symbol was not out in the

that symbol was not out in the public. And seeing that btk

public. And seeing that btk symbol on a piece of paper with

symbol on a piece of paper with pictures of vicki was

pictures of vicki was bone-chilling.

Bone-chilling. >> about a week later,

>> about a week later, lieutenant ken landwehr, who's

lieutenant ken landwehr, who's in charge of the murder

in charge of the murder investigation, has a press

investigation, has a press conference.

Conference. >> the wichita police

>> the wichita police department on Friday received

department on Friday received information from "the wichita

information from "the wichita eagle" and received a letter in

eagle" and received a letter in the mail -- referenced the

the mail -- referenced the homicide of vicki wegerle on

homicide of vicki wegerle on September 16, 1986. The letter

September 16, 1986. The letter contained copies of photographs

contained copies of photographs and a personal item of ms.

And a personal item of ms. Wegerle. We've also been able

wegerle. We've also been able to determine that this

to determine that this communiqué most likely came

communiqué most likely came from btk.

From btk. >> we begin tonight with a

>> we begin tonight with a killer on the loose, a madman

killer on the loose, a madman still out there taunting police

still out there taunting police and reporters. He's known as

and reporters. He's known as the btk killer because he binds,

the btk killer because he binds, tortures, and kills his

tortures, and kills his victims. For more than 30 years,

victims. For more than 30 years, wichita has lived in fear of

wichita has lived in fear of those initials, and tonight it

those initials, and tonight it seems he has surfaced yet again,

seems he has surfaced yet again, sending new clues about who he

sending new clues about who he is and the lives he's taken.

Is and the lives he's taken. >> we were scared to death. It

>> we were scared to death. It was a total replay of when he

was a total replay of when he was killing in the'70s. Was he

was killing in the'70s. Was he still killing right now? And

still killing right now? And who was gonna be next?

Who was gonna be next? >> in 2004, btk is 59 years old,

>> in 2004, btk is 59 years old, and it's not that he's too old

and it's not that he's too old to murder, but, remember, it's

to murder, but, remember, it's the power and control that

the power and control that really fuels him. He launches

really fuels him. He launches this new cat-and-mouse game

this new cat-and-mouse game >> in 2004, btk is 59 years old,

>> in 2004, btk is 59 years old, and it's not that he's too old

and it's not that he's too old to murder, but, remember, it's

to murder, but, remember, it's the power and control that

the power and control that really fuels him. He launches

really fuels him. He launches this new cat-and-mouse game

this new cat-and-mouse game with the police and the local

with the police and the local media and the public to

media and the public to basically say, "this is the

basically say, "this is the 30th year anniversary, and

30th year anniversary, and guess who's back? "

guess who's back? " >> it was even scarier because,

>> it was even scarier because, when he resurfaced, no one had

when he resurfaced, no one had known that he committed the

known that he committed the murder of vicki wegerle until

murder of vicki wegerle until he resurfaced. So then we're

he resurfaced. So then we're like, "what other ones are

like, "what other ones are there? "

there? " >> btk wanted attention. He

>> btk wanted attention. He wanted attention for his

wanted attention for his crimes. He wanted recognition.

Crimes. He wanted recognition. So lieutenant landwehr decided,

so lieutenant landwehr decided, "we want to set up

"we want to set up communication with him. We want

communication with him. We want to perhaps establish some sort

to perhaps establish some sort of connection with him."

of connection with him." >> kenny landwehr was a natural

>> kenny landwehr was a natural for that position. A lot of

for that position. A lot of kenny's press conferences were

kenny's press conferences were always planned, and it was part

always planned, and it was part of a plan to keep btk

of a plan to keep btk communicating, keep him sending

communicating, keep him sending information to us, keep him

information to us, keep him talking.

Talking. >> this is one of the most

>> this is one of the most challenging cases that I've

challenging cases that I've ever been involved with, and I

ever been involved with, and I find that the individual who is

find that the individual who is doing this would be very

doing this would be very interesting to talk to.

Interesting to talk to. >> those type of conversations

>> those type of conversations or those types of

or those types of communications are carefully

communications are carefully choreographed and scripted. You

choreographed and scripted. You can't make any mistakes in

can't make any mistakes in those situations.

Those situations. >> we knew that we were getting

>> we knew that we were getting through to him and he was

through to him and he was actually listening to us.

Actually listening to us. >> the killer unleashed a

>> the killer unleashed a flurry of communications to

flurry of communications to local media, three of them

local media, three of them delivered to television station

delivered to television station kake.

Kake. >> first, he sent the chapter

>> first, he sent the chapter book, where he wanted to write

book, where he wanted to write his own story.

His own story. >> in one of the communications

>> in one of the communications to station kake, the killer

to station kake, the killer recently detailed a list of

recently detailed a list of possible chapter titles, as if

possible chapter titles, as if he were writing his own story

he were writing his own story about this case.

About this case. >> he couldn't stand the idea

>> he couldn't stand the idea of someone else writing his

of someone else writing his story. He was also giving

story. He was also giving suggestions on what kind of

suggestions on what kind of chapters there should be in the

chapters there should be in the book, how to break out his

book, how to break out his story into different chapters

story into different chapters for the audience to read.

For the audience to read. >> the first section seems to

>> the first section seems to describe how the killer stalks

describe how the killer stalks a victim. Some words are easy

a victim. Some words are easy to find -- "prowl, " "spot

to find -- "prowl, " "spot victim, " "follow, "

victim, " "follow, " "fantasies."

"fantasies." >> the names of the chapters

>> the names of the chapters were even frightening, let

were even frightening, let alone the 13th chapter, "will

alone the 13th chapter, "will there be more? "

there be more? " >> he had obviously put a lot

>> he had obviously put a lot of thought into this. The

of thought into this. The question was, "how did he want

question was, "how did he want his story to end? " that's the

his story to end? " that's the one thing nobody knew, and then

one thing nobody knew, and then nobody knew what he had in

nobody knew what he had in mind.

Mind. >> another mysterious postcard

>> another mysterious postcard sent to kake today, one that

sent to kake today, one that could be from btk.

Could be from btk. >> then, after the puzzles came

>> then, after the puzzles came the postcards, the postcards to

the postcards, the postcards to kake tv with clues. "go to the

kake tv with clues. "go to the corner of this street and this

corner of this street and this street, and there you will find

street, and there you will find a cereal box under a stop sign.

A cereal box under a stop sign. In the cereal box will be

in the cereal box will be another clue." well, we sent a

another clue." well, we sent a reporter right out there. Sure

reporter right out there. Sure enough, there was a cereal box.

Enough, there was a cereal box. >> inside of the cereal box,

>> inside of the cereal box, there were several things, but

there were several things, but the most disturbing thing was a

the most disturbing thing was a doll, almost like a barbie-type

doll, almost like a barbie-type doll, bound the way that btk

doll, bound the way that btk had bound the little otero girl

had bound the little otero girl in the basement. We're all very

in the basement. We're all very seasoned homicide detectives,

seasoned homicide detectives, and we were all shocked.

And we were all shocked. >> recent communications from

>> recent communications from btk have included several items

btk have included several items of jewelry. There was jewelry

of jewelry. There was jewelry included in the post toasties

included in the post toasties box that was left on north

box that was left on north seneca street, as well in

seneca street, as well in communication number 7, in the

communication number 7, in the package received yesterday by

package received yesterday by ksas fox 24.

Ksas fox 24. >> the postcard in there talked

>> the postcard in there talked about some of the crimes and

about some of the crimes and also commented that the media

also commented that the media or the police haven't talked

or the police haven't talked about the home depot drop he

about the home depot drop he made. Btk had pulled into the

made. Btk had pulled into the parking lot of a home depot,

parking lot of a home depot, put a cereal box in an

put a cereal box in an employee's truck bed. The

employee's truck bed. The employee found it, called

employee found it, called dispatch, who called me, and we

dispatch, who called me, and we went and recovered that, and it

went and recovered that, and it was more taunting with dolls

was more taunting with dolls and stolen jewelry. On the plus

and stolen jewelry. On the plus side, home depot had cameras

side, home depot had cameras covering their parking lot.

Covering their parking lot. >> they had to shut down their

>> they had to shut down their store and their system in order

store and their system in order to obtain videotape. You can't

to obtain videotape. You can't see him, but you can see the

see him, but you can see the car come in, you can see an

car come in, you can see an individual get out of the car,

individual get out of the car, and then you can see something

and then you can see something being placed in the pickup of

being placed in the pickup of this employee, and then the car

this employee, and then the car drives off. Detective ralph,

drives off. Detective ralph, who knew a lot about cars,

who knew a lot about cars, tried to identify the car.

Tried to identify the car. >> we had captured his vehicle

>> we had captured his vehicle at a home depot, and we know

at a home depot, and we know from the photograph that he was

from the photograph that he was driving a jeep cherokee.

Driving a jeep cherokee. >> that was the very first

>> that was the very first piece of evidence from btk that

piece of evidence from btk that we got on our own, that wasn't

we got on our own, that wasn't given to us, and that was a

given to us, and that was a huge breakthrough.

Huge breakthrough. >> welcome back to "very scary

>> welcome back to "very scary

>> welcome back to "very scary people." btk had disappeared,

people." btk had disappeared, no sign of him for more than 10

no sign of him for more than 10 years, but now he was back --

years, but now he was back -- the taunting, the cat-and-mouse

the taunting, the cat-and-mouse games. The citizens of wichita

games. The citizens of wichita are terrified. Btk thinks he

are terrified. Btk thinks he has the upper hand, but all

has the upper hand, but all that is about to change.

That is about to change. >> he was writing to the police

>> he was writing to the police department every once in awhile,

department every once in awhile, saying, "I'm gonna take out an

saying, "I'm gonna take out an ad in the classifieds, and I'm

ad in the classifieds, and I'm gonna give you a clue." so

gonna give you a clue." so lieutenant landwehr would read

lieutenant landwehr would read the classifieds and would

the classifieds and would answer him in the classifieds.

Answer him in the classifieds. >> one of the communications

>> one of the communications that he sent us, btk asked if

that he sent us, btk asked if we could trace a floppy disk.

We could trace a floppy disk. And in that communication, he

and in that communication, he asked us to be honest.

Asked us to be honest. >> he writes, "be honest." now,

>> he writes, "be honest." now, I don't know what he was

I don't know what he was thinking, if he had bumped his

thinking, if he had bumped his head that day or what the hell

head that day or what the hell he was thinking, so he asked us

he was thinking, so he asked us to put it in the paper, "rex,

to put it in the paper, "rex, it will be okay." and so we put

it will be okay." and so we put in the paper, "rex, it will be

in the paper, "rex, it will be okay."

okay." >> that was meant to be, "oh,

>> that was meant to be, "oh, don't worry about it. We would

don't worry about it. We would never be able to trace that."

never be able to trace that." so he sends it.

So he sends it. >> the amusing thing to me was,

>> the amusing thing to me was, is that he told law enforcement

is that he told law enforcement to be honest, and we weren't.

To be honest, and we weren't. >> I head out to pick up the

>> I head out to pick up the package. We get to the fox

package. We get to the fox station. There's more jewelry

station. There's more jewelry in it, there's a note in it,

in it, there's a note in it, and the floppy disk. We rush

and the floppy disk. We rush the floppy disk to our computer

the floppy disk to our computer guy. Randy stone, the computer

guy. Randy stone, the computer guy, puts it in the computer.

Guy, puts it in the computer. >> when I think about it, you

>> when I think about it, you still get goose bumps, because

still get goose bumps, because I was present when the disk

I was present when the disk went into the computer. The

went into the computer. The mistake that btk made was he

mistake that btk made was he made a copy of that test file,

made a copy of that test file, and once he copied it, it

and once he copied it, it locked in identifiers in the

locked in identifiers in the computer gibberish. I vividly

computer gibberish. I vividly recall going through, and then

recall going through, and then you see "dennis, " and then you

you see "dennis, " and then you see "christ lutheran church."

see "christ lutheran church." the message on the disk had

the message on the disk had been created at the christ

been created at the christ lutheran church in park city.

Lutheran church in park city. We used google and googled the

we used google and googled the church. It shows the church,

church. It shows the church, where it's at in park city, and

where it's at in park city, and then it shows the officers of

then it shows the officers of the church, and dennis rader

the church, and dennis rader was listed as the

was listed as the congregational president.

Congregational president. >> sure enough, right there --

>> sure enough, right there -- "president of the congregation,

"president of the congregation, dennis rader." they had their

dennis rader." they had their man.

Man. >> once they said the name

>> once they said the name dennis, I can tell you, some of

dennis, I can tell you, some of us were already cheating our

us were already cheating our way to the car'cause we knew we

way to the car'cause we knew we were going.

Were going. >> detectives leave the wichita

>> detectives leave the wichita police department, drive up to

police department, drive up to park city, go to his house, and

park city, go to his house, and see, in the driveway, parked is

see, in the driveway, parked is the vehicle that they'd picked

the vehicle that they'd picked up on the video from the home

up on the video from the home depot parking lot. Now they

depot parking lot. Now they know that that is the vehicle,

know that that is the vehicle, and it's just one more piece

and it's just one more piece confirming that they're on the

confirming that they're on the right track.

Right track. >> once detective ralph and

>> once detective ralph and detective snyder found the

detective snyder found the black jeep cherokee in the

black jeep cherokee in the driveway, we were fairly,

driveway, we were fairly, fairly confident that this was

fairly confident that this was our guy, this dennis rader guy

our guy, this dennis rader guy was btk. I can tell you that

was btk. I can tell you that detective ralph was ready and a

detective ralph was ready and a couple of us were prepared to

couple of us were prepared to help him park down the street,

help him park down the street, walk up, knock on the door, and

walk up, knock on the door, and when he comes to the door,

when he comes to the door, we're gonna grab him.

We're gonna grab him. Lieutenant landwehr said,

lieutenant landwehr said, "we're not gonna do that. I

"we're not gonna do that. I need somebody to sit on the

need somebody to sit on the house. We're gonna send

house. We're gonna send undercover people up to start

undercover people up to start surveillance, and I need

surveillance, and I need everybody else to come back to

everybody else to come back to the task force office so we can

the task force office so we can figure out how we're gonna do

figure out how we're gonna do this."

this." >> this is the killer? What

>> this is the killer? What kind of background or history

kind of background or history does this person have? What

does this person have? What kind of twisted life has this

kind of twisted life has this person led?

Person led? >> dennis rader was born in

>> dennis rader was born in 1945 in kansas, and his family

1945 in kansas, and his family to park city, kansas. He had

to park city, kansas. He had three younger brothers. He was

three younger brothers. He was the oldest, and that was very

the oldest, and that was very important to him, and that he

important to him, and that he thought of himself as a very

thought of himself as a very responsible son.

Responsible son. >> we don't have any evidence

>> we don't have any evidence at all that he was horrifically

at all that he was horrifically abused. He had married parents.

Abused. He had married parents. As far as we could tell,

as far as we could tell, nothing bad ever happened to

nothing bad ever happened to young dennis rader.

Young dennis rader. >> at the same time, he had

>> at the same time, he had early on this penchant for

early on this penchant for doing a couple of things that

doing a couple of things that were somewhat unusual. Someone

were somewhat unusual. Someone in the family had these "true

in the family had these "true detective" type magazines from

detective" type magazines from the 1950s, where you would see

the 1950s, where you would see women on the cover. Maybe they

women on the cover. Maybe they were tied up or maybe they were

were tied up or maybe they were looking at an attacker who was

looking at an attacker who was off-screen in horror, and he

off-screen in horror, and he was exposed to them, and he

was exposed to them, and he found them stimulating. He

found them stimulating. He started making drawings of sort

started making drawings of sort of mummy-like figures where

of mummy-like figures where there would be women with lines

there would be women with lines across them, as if they were

across them, as if they were being tied up.

Being tied up. >> he talked about, from a

>> he talked about, from a young age, some family members

young age, some family members being out on a farm where they

being out on a farm where they had killed a chicken and that

had killed a chicken and that chicken had to be tied to a

chicken had to be tied to a stump before they cut its head

stump before they cut its head off, and he described being

off, and he described being aroused by that.

Aroused by that. >> he was aware from a very

>> he was aware from a very young age that he had these

young age that he had these sexual fantasies which were

sexual fantasies which were completely abnormal, that he

completely abnormal, that he was what outsiders would call

was what outsiders would call perverted, that he had

perverted, that he had paraphilias and urges that

paraphilias and urges that nobody else shared, and he

nobody else shared, and he fostered them. He didn't talk

fostered them. He didn't talk to others about them. He never

to others about them. He never went to a psychiatrist or a

went to a psychiatrist or a psychologist to try to figure

psychologist to try to figure out where these urges were

out where these urges were coming from. He simply harbored

coming from. He simply harbored them and knew that, some day,

them and knew that, some day, he would act on them.

He would act on them. >> this wasn't any kind of

>> this wasn't any kind of

sn't some great intellectual. But dennis rader was one thing.

But dennis rader was one thing. He was a monster. There's no

he was a monster. There's no other way that you could

other way that you could describe what he did.

Describe what he did. >> dennis rader was married to

>> dennis rader was married to paula in 1971. They would have

paula in 1971. They would have two children. From what we know,

two children. From what we know, he was a devoted father and

he was a devoted father and husband.

Husband. >> dennis rader's long-time

>> dennis rader's long-time jobs -- and he had two of them,

jobs -- and he had two of them, really -- were working as a

really -- were working as a crew chief for adt security --

crew chief for adt security -- a job where he got to wear a

a job where he got to wear a uniform and be a security

uniform and be a security expert -- and then later, of

expert -- and then later, of course, the compliance officer

course, the compliance officer for the town where he lived,

for the town where he lived, where he went around basically

where he went around basically enforcing codes on barking dogs

enforcing codes on barking dogs and how high your grass is and

and how high your grass is and whether or not you have an

whether or not you have an unregistered vehicle in your

unregistered vehicle in your driveway.

Driveway. >> dennis rader was also a very

>> dennis rader was also a very steadfast member of his church

steadfast member of his church for decades, christ lutheran

for decades, christ lutheran church. By January of 2005, he

church. By January of 2005, he had become the president of the

had become the president of the congregation, and that means

congregation, and that means taking care of a lot of

taking care of a lot of business and running council

business and running council meetings and all of that. So he

meetings and all of that. So he could not have had a higher

could not have had a higher standing inside of his faith.

Standing inside of his faith. >> it was like, "oh, my god.

>> it was like, "oh, my god. This is the person who's been

this is the person who's been doing this, this guy who's

doing this, this guy who's hyper-religious involved with

hyper-religious involved with his church and loves the boy

his church and loves the boy scouts and does all this? This

scouts and does all this? This is the killer? "

is the killer? " >> he was busy. I mean, his son

>> he was busy. I mean, his son was an eagle scout. He used to

was an eagle scout. He used to take his son to all those

take his son to all those camp-outs they'd have to do.

Camp-outs they'd have to do. His daughter was also involved

his daughter was also involved in all kinds of things, and he

in all kinds of things, and he was involved in her life, as

was involved in her life, as well. We knew he had to be

well. We knew he had to be involved in his own life, and

involved in his own life, and matter of fact, we stated the

matter of fact, we stated the reason he stopped was because

reason he stopped was because life caught up with him. I was

life caught up with him. I was not surprised that he was able

not surprised that he was able to compartmentalize this away

to compartmentalize this away from his family so his family

from his family so his family had no idea.

Had no idea. >> this is not uncommon for

>> this is not uncommon for these serial killers to talk

these serial killers to talk about having the good and the

about having the good and the bad side, or the evil side and

bad side, or the evil side and the good side. I mean, they do

the good side. I mean, they do dichotomize themselves. I've

dichotomize themselves. I've even had one serial killer that

even had one serial killer that had himself in three different

had himself in three different parts -- you know, his work

parts -- you know, his work life, his home life, and then

life, his home life, and then his killing life. So they are

his killing life. So they are able to compartmentalize.

Able to compartmentalize. That's a tactic that they have

that's a tactic that they have that they're able to do, and

that they're able to do, and they kind of pride themselves

they kind of pride themselves on it.

On it. >> law enforcement went about

>> law enforcement went about stalking dennis rader for a

stalking dennis rader for a week. We had like a war room

week. We had like a war room where we started investigating

where we started investigating rader.

Rader. >> we went back to the task

>> we went back to the task force and sat around and began

force and sat around and began to discuss what our plan was

to discuss what our plan was going to be.

Going to be. >> lieutenant landwehr says,

>> lieutenant landwehr says, "what we need is dna. Now, we

"what we need is dna. Now, we have those three dna samples

have those three dna samples that we have been in storage

that we have been in storage for now 31 years -- the otero

for now 31 years -- the otero crime scene, the fox crime

crime scene, the fox crime scene, and the wegerle crime

scene, and the wegerle crime scene."

scene." >> we're talking about

>> we're talking about following him, seeing if he'll

following him, seeing if he'll drop a fork in a restaurant or

drop a fork in a restaurant or if he'd smoke a cigarette and

if he'd smoke a cigarette and throw it down. By this time, we

throw it down. By this time, we knew dennis rader had a

knew dennis rader had a daughter and his daughter had

daughter and his daughter had attended college at kansas

attended college at kansas state university. One of the

state university. One of the agents that was working with us

agents that was working with us knew that campus and said they

knew that campus and said they had a women's clinic on campus

had a women's clinic on campus for the students. Maybe we can

for the students. Maybe we can look for the pap smear of her?

Look for the pap smear of her? >> we had a lot of discussion

>> we had a lot of discussion about it, and, ultimately, the

about it, and, ultimately, the decision was made that the

decision was made that the privacy interests were

privacy interests were outweighed by the

outweighed by the law-enforcement interests in

law-enforcement interests in catching a serial killer. We

catching a serial killer. We

caption #895 to get court

caption #895 to get court approval, and then we were able

approval, and then we were able to obtain that pap smear and do

to obtain that pap smear and do that reverse dna.

That reverse dna. >> about 24 hours later,

>> about 24 hours later, lieutenant landwehr took a

lieutenant landwehr took a phone call from the dna

phone call from the dna scientist who said, "I can't

scientist who said, "I can't tell you that dennis rader is

tell you that dennis rader is your killer, but I can tell you

your killer, but I can tell you that the father of kerri rader

that the father of kerri rader is btk. And then we had our dna

is btk. And then we had our dna match.

Match.

>> when we got that dna sample back, we planned the arrest.

Back, we planned the arrest. The plan was three cars would

the plan was three cars would take him down on the side of

take him down on the side of the road, we'd attempt to

the road, we'd attempt to arrest him. If he would've

arrest him. If he would've resisted, it'd have been a bad

resisted, it'd have been a bad day for him.

Day for him. >> these things are now moving

>> these things are now moving very quickly. It was planned

very quickly. It was planned and orchestrated. Everything

and orchestrated. Everything was in order.

Was in order. >> dennis rader gets up, goes

>> dennis rader gets up, goes through his routine, gets in

through his routine, gets in his truck, and goes about his

his truck, and goes about his job that morning. He always

job that morning. He always leaves for lunch at exactly

leaves for lunch at exactly 12:15 to go home. Takes him two

12:15 to go home. Takes him two minutes to get there.

Minutes to get there. >> they'd done enough

>> they'd done enough surveillance and were very

surveillance and were very familiar with his routine by

familiar with his routine by this point. He came down the

this point. He came down the road. He was coming from work.

Road. He was coming from work. The truck went down the road,

the truck went down the road, and I slammed my car in drive.

And I slammed my car in drive. >> police cars pull in around

>> police cars pull in around him, stop him, tell him to get

him, stop him, tell him to get out.

Out. >> we got him out of the car,

>> we got him out of the car, we put him on the ground, and

we put him on the ground, and we handcuffed him. We stood him

we handcuffed him. We stood him up. And in the very back of our

up. And in the very back of our line of our police cars was

line of our police cars was lieutenant landwehr in the back

lieutenant landwehr in the back seat of a ford taurus. Dennis

seat of a ford taurus. Dennis rader was put in the back seat

rader was put in the back seat right next to kenny landwehr.

Right next to kenny landwehr. >> and they look at each other.

>> and they look at each other. "hello, mr. Landwehr." "hello,

"hello, mr. Landwehr." "hello, mr. Rader." landwehr says, "do

mr. Rader." landwehr says, "do you know why you're here? " he

you know why you're here? " he says, "I have a pretty good

says, "I have a pretty good idea."

idea." >> we had staged the interview

>> we had staged the interview with dennis rader far in

with dennis rader far in advance of him being in that

advance of him being in that room. We had a camera and

room. We had a camera and obviously audio and video

obviously audio and video recording going on.

Recording going on. >> literally, in 3 hours and 15

>> literally, in 3 hours and 15 minutes, it got to a point

minutes, it got to a point where ken was finally talking

where ken was finally talking to him about dna and where we

to him about dna and where we could get dna from.

Could get dna from. >> I know that btk is the

>> I know that btk is the father of your children -- of

father of your children -- of your children. I know that. No

your children. I know that. No doubt. It's a done deal. The

doubt. It's a done deal. The tests were done.

Tests were done. >> he basically said, "well,

>> he basically said, "well, you got me, " and he still

you got me, " and he still wouldn't say it. So I finally

wouldn't say it. So I finally looked at him and said, "come

looked at him and said, "come on, dennis, just tell us who

on, dennis, just tell us who you are. Say who you are. Why

you are. Say who you are. Why don't you just say it? "

don't you just say it? " >> I'm btk.

>> I'm btk. >> you're btk.

>> you're btk. >> we begin tonight with

>> we begin tonight with breaking news in the case. We

breaking news in the case. We have just learned that dennis

have just learned that dennis rader has now been booked into

rader has now been booked into the sedgwick county jail.

The sedgwick county jail. >> rader has been charged with

>> rader has been charged with 10 counts now of first-degree

10 counts now of first-degree murder.

Murder. >> today is a very historic day

>> today is a very historic day for the wichita police

for the wichita police department. Btk is arrested.

Department. Btk is arrested. >> once he was caught and they

>> once he was caught and they did the search of his house,

did the search of his house, then in the crawlspace area, he

then in the crawlspace area, he had a big ziplock bag that had

had a big ziplock bag that had stuff from dolores and marine,

stuff from dolores and marine, and he had several polaroids.

And he had several polaroids. >> he had things in his home,

>> he had things in his home, and that's why people had

and that's why people had speculated how could the wife

speculated how could the wife not know. And it's because most

not know. And it's because most of the stuff was behind false

of the stuff was behind false drawers or false walls, so

drawers or false walls, so hidden.

Hidden. >> he told us about the cabinet

>> he told us about the cabinet in his office. The top drawer

in his office. The top drawer was work stuff. We opened the

was work stuff. We opened the bottom drawer, and it was full

bottom drawer, and it was full of btk memorabilia -- newspaper

of btk memorabilia -- newspaper clippings, some of his original

clippings, some of his original pictures, some of his original

pictures, some of his original 1970s letter to the cops. He

1970s letter to the cops. He called it "the mother lode."

called it "the mother lode." >> he was really prolific. He

>> he was really prolific. He used to take photographs of

used to take photographs of himself. He would half-bury

himself. He would half-bury himself. He would swing from

himself. He would swing from trees. He would put masks on.

Trees. He would put masks on. He would put women's clothing

he would put women's clothing on. It was despicable,

on. It was despicable, disgusting, sexually

disgusting, sexually bereft-type of stuff that you

bereft-type of stuff that you have never seen in your life

have never seen in your life and you don't ever want to see

and you don't ever want to see again. And that was all

again. And that was all involved with that case.

Involved with that case. >> in our minds, as this was

>> in our minds, as this was discussed and kind of profiled

discussed and kind of profiled down at the behavioral science

down at the behavioral science unit, was really his art. And

unit, was really his art. And he does a lot in what we call

he does a lot in what we call the expressive style. He really

the expressive style. He really likes that.

Likes that. >> he actually entered pleas of

>> he actually entered pleas of guilty to the 10 homicides, and

guilty to the 10 homicides, and so judge waller had rader

so judge waller had rader describe the murders at his

describe the murders at his guilty plea, and I believe

guilty plea, and I believe dennis rader was more than

dennis rader was more than happy to describe what he had

happy to describe what he had done.

Done. >> when you went into the house,

>> when you went into the house, what happened then?

What happened then? >> well, I confronted the

>> well, I confronted the family. I pulled the pistol,

family. I pulled the pistol, confronted mr. Otero.

Confronted mr. Otero. >> that day we went to court

>> that day we went to court and we listened to the

and we listened to the testimony about how my family

testimony about how my family was killed, it was very, very

was killed, it was very, very hard.

Hard. >> I didn't have a mask on or

>> I didn't have a mask on or anything. They already could

anything. They already could I.D. Me.

I.D. Me. >> it was once again that

>> it was once again that feeling of my chest being

feeling of my chest being ripped open, had come back to

ripped open, had come back to me.

Me. >> and made a decision to go

>> and made a decision to go ahead and -- and put'em down.

Ahead and -- and put'em down. >> he recited them like he was

>> he recited them like he was reading a book. And that was

reading a book. And that was spine-chilling.

Spine-chilling. >> everybody asks me, "do you

>> everybody asks me, "do you forgive him? " all I can say is

forgive him? " all I can say is I can't lie to you -- no. As

I can't lie to you -- no. As far as his punishment goes, I

far as his punishment goes, I hope he lives a long rotten

hope he lives a long rotten life. You know, I don't forgive

life. You know, I don't forgive him. I know that's a problem I

him. I know that's a problem I have as a christian. The lord

have as a christian. The lord knows how I feel about it.

Knows how I feel about it. >> when I hear the name "dennis

>> when I hear the name "dennis rader, " the first thing that

rader, " the first thing that comes to mind is disgust.

Comes to mind is disgust. Dennis rader has never really

dennis rader has never really truly apologized for anything

truly apologized for anything he's done, has never truly

he's done, has never truly apologized to the

apologized to the victims'families, has never, I

victims'families, has never, I feel, felt remorse for what he

feel, felt remorse for what he did.

Did. >> it was a great family. My

>> it was a great family. My mom was great, she really was

mom was great, she really was -- and my dad. And that's why,

-- and my dad. And that's why, when I do these interviews, one

when I do these interviews, one of the reasons why is just, for

of the reasons why is just, for one instant, my family, who've

one instant, my family, who've been gone for almost 40 years

been gone for almost 40 years now, they're relevant again in

now, they're relevant again in today's society. They existed,

today's society. They existed, and the world knows they

and the world knows they existed, and they didn't just

existed, and they didn't just get erased from life and swept

get erased from life and swept under the carpet. They were

under the carpet. They were somebody, and they were worthy

somebody, and they were worthy of life, you know? And, to me,

of life, you know? And, to me, that's important.

That's important. >> dennis rader was sentenced

>> dennis rader was sentenced to 10 life sentences, all run

to 10 life sentences, all run consecutive to one another, so

consecutive to one another, so he'll die in prison. He is in

he'll die in prison. He is in the el dorado correctional

the el dorado correctional facility.

Facility. >> the first question that

>> the first question that people would ask, "why can't

people would ask, "why can't you get the death penalty for

you get the death penalty for him? " I'll say, "oh, because

him? " I'll say, "oh, because there was no death penalty for

there was no death penalty for those times and places where

those times and places where these incidents occurred." this

these incidents occurred." this was somebody that should not

was somebody that should not have lived. I wish we'd had the

have lived. I wish we'd had the death penalty for him. After

death penalty for him. After what he did?

What he did? >> he liked what he did. It may

>> he liked what he did. It may be something that's hard for us

be something that's hard for us to grasp, why a person would

to grasp, why a person would want to do that, but he enjoyed

want to do that, but he enjoyed it. It wasn't his parents'fault,

it. It wasn't his parents'fault, wasn't society's fault. He just

wasn't society's fault. He just liked doing what he was doing

liked doing what he was doing and wished he could've done it

and wished he could've done it more. It's what he wanted to do,

more. It's what he wanted to do, it's what he wanted to be, and

it's what he wanted to be, and if he had his choice, that's

if he had his choice, that's who he would be, not the dennis

who he would be, not the dennis raider the

raider the husband/father/compliance

husband/father/compliance officer. He wanted to be btk

officer. He wanted to be btk the serial killer.

The serial killer. >> after dennis rader's arrest,

>> after dennis rader's arrest, his wife was granted an

his wife was granted an emergency divorce. Over the

emergency divorce. Over the years, his daughter has

years, his daughter has exchanged letters with her

exchanged letters with her father, searching for some kind

father, searching for some kind of explanation for his horrible

of explanation for his horrible deeds, if something violent

deeds, if something violent happened to him during his

happened to him during his childhood, but rader has always

childhood, but rader has always insisted he was never

insisted he was never physically or sexually abused

physically or sexually abused as a child. Lieutenant kenny

as a child. Lieutenant kenny landwehr was determined to get

landwehr was determined to get his man, and he did. Many

his man, and he did. Many credit him as the reason rader

credit him as the reason rader was finally captured. A true

was finally captured. A true hero, landwehr died in 2014

hero, landwehr died in 2014 after a battle with cancer. I'm

after a battle with cancer. I'm donnie wahlberg. Thanks for

donnie wahlberg. Thanks for watching. Good night.