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Steven Spielberg: I started making
movies when I was a young kid,
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but I remember the time I almost gave up
my dream of being a movie director.
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I must have been 16.
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A movie came into town
called "Lawrence of Arabia,"
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and everybody was talking about it.
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I never sat in a fancy
theater seat before.
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Premium ticket price,
70mm projection,
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stereophonic sound.
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And when the film was over,
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I wanted to not be a director anymore
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because the bar was too high.
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There was a scene where he looked
at himself in that sword/knife,
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when he was first given the robes
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and he thought he was alone.
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And he walked around laughing
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and looking at his shadow
where the diaphanous robe
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he was holding out
was actually imprinted
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on the sand in shadow.
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It was a great moment.
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And then later, when they route
the retreating Turks,
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you see him again covered in gore.
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And he's got the knife
in the same position he had it
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in his pristine days, in his glory days.
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And he's looking at himself,
who he's become.
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It was the first time,
seeing a movie,
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I realized that there are themes that
aren't narrative story themes.
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There are themes that are character
themes, that are personal themes.
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That David Lean created a portraiture,
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surrounded the portrait with a mural
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of scope and epic action,
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but at the heart and core
of "Lawrence of Arabia"
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is "Who am I"?
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I had such a profound reaction
to the filmmaking,
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and I went back and saw the film
a week later.
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I saw the film a week after that.
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And I saw the film a week after that.
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And I realized that
there was no going back,
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that this was going to be
what I was gonna do
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or I was gonna die trying.
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But this was going to be
the rest of my life.
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And then trying to get--
it felt lined up.
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- The camera just gotta go right.
- Just a little bit lower.
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That's good right there.
That's perfect.
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Yeah, camera has to go
right a bit, please.
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Go right.
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- Right, right, right, right.
- Can you get there?
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Right there would be good.
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Every time I start a new scene,
I'm nervous.
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And it's like going to school,
having to take a test.
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I never heard the lines spoken before.
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I don't know what I'm gonna think
of hearing the lines,
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I don't know what
I'm gonna tell the actors,
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I don't know where
I'm gonna put the camera.
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And every single time,
it's the same.
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But I tell you, it's the greatest
feeling in the world.
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I'll tell you why it's a good feeling.
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The more I'm feeling confident
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and secure about something,
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the less I'm gonna put out.
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The more I'm feeling,
"Uh-oh, this could be a major problem
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in getting the story told,"
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I'm gonna work overtime
to meet the challenge
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and get the job done.
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All right, that's done.
I don't know if it's worth it.
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And so, I hate the feeling
of being nervous,
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but I need to feel
in this moment
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I'm really not sure
what I'm doing.
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And when that verges on panic,
I get great ideas.
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The more I feel backed into a corner,
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the more rewarding it becomes
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when I figure my way out
of the corner.
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I love it.
Next shot.
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Good.
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- Did you see that?
- Yes.
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Martin Scorsese: I remember when Steven
was in production on "Jaws,"
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the word around town
and in the "LA Times"
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was that it was folly
and that it was gonna be a disaster.
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Richard Dreyfuss: "Jaws" started filming
on May 2nd.
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I was hired, I think, on May 3rd,
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and they had no shark,
no script, and no cast
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when they first started, so...
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The script was never locked.
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We were rewriting the script
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12 hours before we were shooting
what we just wrote.
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You know, it's scary
for a director to not know
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if he's gonna be able to hand pages to
his cast the next morning.
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Guys, we can't shoot right now.
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- Hold on.
- Hold on.
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This is my second day at sea
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and I have 54 more days to go.
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And if I survive this,
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I'll have learned a lot,
because right now all I can tell you is
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it's twice as slow shooting at sea
as it is shooting on land.
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Bill Butler: Well, the studio had never
shot a film on the ocean before.
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They would do it on the back lake.
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They would do it in a studio tank.
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They would make miniature boats.
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They would--
everything would be so easy
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that you would never get cold or wet.
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But Steven said, "I'm gonna shoot
in the open ocean."
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Roll sound.
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This was supposed to be a thriller
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based on people like you and me that are
out of our element
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and having to fight something we have
no comprehension how to deal with.
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That needs a level of authenticity
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that I thought shooting it
in the back lot
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at Universal in North Hollywood
would not give it.
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So, to me, there was no going back.
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It had to be shot in the ocean.
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I thought it was gonna be a cakewalk,
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but I didn't know anything
about tides or currents.
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I didn't know about how the wind
affects the water,
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how the color of the sky
changes the color of the water,
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or how you can't get anything to match.
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It was one nightmare, worst-case
scenario after the other.
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I didn't think we'd ever finish.
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I had just assumed
I'd be fired off the picture.
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We were isolated in the middle of
the ocean, 12 miles offshore,
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and it was technology
over art every single day.
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We'd get a shot, art was there,
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but you couldn't recognize
the art from the effort.
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Just trying to hold a whole movie story
in my head
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is a very lonely thing, because nobody
can really help me with that.
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I have to see it before I film it.
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And that's why
it was so scary on "Jaws"--
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when I couldn't see it
until I finally did.
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Just before I went off to make "Jaws,"
I got to meet Henry Hathaway.
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He was kind of a tough-guy director,
and he said,
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"There's gonna be moments
where you're gonna get to the set
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and you're not gonna know
what the hell you're doing.
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It happens to all of us.
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You've gotta guard that secret
with your life.
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Let no one see when you're unsure
of yourself.
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Hide that from everybody,
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or you'll lose the respect of everyone."
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Marker.
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- Good blood.
- And... ready?
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- And action, Roy.
- Slow ahead.
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I can go slow ahead.
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You ought to come down
and ladle some of this shit.
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And down.
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Absolutely everything was falling apart.
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The first time we tested the shark,
it sunk.
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It would come up
out of the water and go...
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Like that.
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I knew that it's gonna take
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three or four weeks
to rebuild the shark,
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and so we'd have to make up
something else
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that didn't exactly show the shark
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but gave the sense the shark was near.
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Bring it around after him!
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The barrels were a godsend,
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because I didn't need to show the shark
as long as those barrels were around.
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What you don't see is generally scarier
than what you do see,
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and the script was filled with "shark."
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Shark here, shark there,
shark everywhere.
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The movie doesn't have
very much shark in it.
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John Williams: If the shark had been
available visually,
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it might have changed
the whole psychology
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of the experience.
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Williams: When you hear,
"boom-boom, boom-boom,"
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you've already been conditioned to think
that's when the shark is present.
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When the shark is far away,
it's very faint.
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When the shark is just about to attack,
it's very close and it's very loud.
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Williams: We can advertise
the shark's presence or his attitude
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by how we manage these notes,
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just very few notes.
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Dreyfuss: You are in a state of anxiety
without seeing a shark.
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It just scares the crap out of you.
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Charlie, take my word for it!
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Don't look back!
Swim, Charlie!
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Swim!
Come on, Charlie!
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Dun-dun.
Dun-dun, dun-dun.
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Dun-dun, dun-dun, dun-dun,
bom, bom, bom, bom, bom, bom.
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Come on, a little more, Charlie.
Attaboy.
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Come here, Charlie.
Attaboy. Attaboy.
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David Edelstein: It is a perfect
exercise in suspense
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with technique that any other filmmaker
would kill for.
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I knew I was using an electric
cattle prod on the audience
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every time there was some kind
of a pop-up surprise.
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Michael Phillips: Like Hitchcock,
he knows how to get you
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on the edge of your seat.
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He doesn't show you
what you want to see,
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and then he delivers it
when he wants to deliver it.
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J. Hoberman: He certainly
likes torturing the audience.
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Has he ever been in analysis?
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1, 1,000; 2, 1,000;
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3, 1,000; 4, 1,000...
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Everything scared me
when I was a kid.
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Everything.
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1, 1,000;
2, 1,000;
3, one...
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I had a tree out my window
that was terrifying.
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It was just terrifying.
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1, 1,000; 2, 1,000...
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I was filled with so much fear
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that I needed to exorcise some of that.
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And what better audience to exorcise
myself of my demons
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than my three sisters.
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He would lock us
in the closet with a skull,
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which he had dripped
different colors of wax all over.
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It almost looked like blood.
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I'd blindfold them one at a time,
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bring them into the closet.
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I'd put my whole body weight
against the door.
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They'd take their blindfold off,
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and I would just sit there
listening to them screaming.
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I mean, telling this story now...
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I still think it was pretty cool.
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I was gonna say,
"I hate myself for that."
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I don't hate myself for that.
It was fun.
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At first, he just scared us.
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But through his movies,
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he gets to scare the shit
out of everybody now.
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Dan Rather: The blockbuster movie
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of the summer, of course, is "Jaws,"
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a tale of a murderous white shark
on the loose.
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And that movie's release was well timed
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for maximum impact
during the vacation season,
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and some people who have seen it
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are now seeing phantom sharks
every time they go near the water.
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Scorsese: I remember the night
"Jaws" opened.
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I was with Steven.
He said, "Let's go and see the lines."
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And we were looking, going by
all the lines in Westwood
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and places like that,
and I said, "This is it.
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This is gonna be a major change."
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Janet Maslin: I was with him in the car
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and he was really, really nervous
but excited.
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And the car went around the corner,
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and there was the line
went around the corner,
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and then the car kept going,
and the line kept going.
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And he was absolutely beside himself.
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You know, it was
this instant breakthrough.
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It was like balloons were exploding
inside of this car.
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And his whole life changed
in that couple of minutes.
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And he was 25 years old
or something.
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"Jaws" went triple its budget
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and it went about two and a half times
its schedule.
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We wound up shooting
the movie in 159 days.
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The film was originally
scheduled for 55 days.
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But my hubris was I actually thought
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I could shoot the film in 55 days.
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Steven shook the very bones
of Hollywood.
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"Jaws" made more money
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than any film had ever made
up to that time.
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The success of that changed my life.
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You know, it gave me final cut.
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It gave me a chance to pick and choose
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the movies I directed
from that moment on.
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So "Jaws" was a free pass
into my future.
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I want you to meet
a filmmaker now who has taken
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the movie-going public
and shaken it to its very roots.
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- Oh, boy!
- Aren't you excited?
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- And everybody loves it.
- Have you seen it?
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Dinah Shore:
Please welcome Mr. Steven Spielberg.
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When did you first really get interested
in movies?
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When I was a bad little kid.
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- Really?
- About, yeah, 13 years old.
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- That was the whole thing?
- Very early starter, yeah.
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Not-- I didn't take it seriously.
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I did it-- like some people paint
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and some people like to, you know,
drive little cars,
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and I liked to make little movies.
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I didn't realize there was 50 years
of filmmaking before me.
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And I lived in Phoenix, Arizona,
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where you can listen to cactus grow
if you have nothing better to do.
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- Yeah.
- And I took a movie camera
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and I was learning sort of the ABCs
as I went along,
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but it was just fun,
it was something to do.
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I really wanted my childhood to be
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sort of the pie-in-the-sky,
Norman Rockwell American Dream.
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My dad was this computer genius
that was on the team that invented
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the first commercial data processing
machine at RCA back in 1950,
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and so my dad was headhunted a lot and
went from company to company.
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Like Army brats,
we moved from place to place.
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But most of my formative years
took place in Phoenix, Arizona.
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My father was the American man
who worked very hard.
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Sometimes worked six days a week
and he came home late at night.
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His career demanded a lot of time away
from the family.
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And my mom was Peter Pan.
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She was a sibling, not a parent,
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because she was a best friend,
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not a primary caregiver.
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And she got into trouble
like we got into trouble.
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Anne: Steve had a feeling
that family should be
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like "Father Knows Best,"
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but we were not the usual family.
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We just kind of were bohemians
growing up in suburbia.
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I went to a pet store one day,
and there was a monkey
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sitting in a cage like this,
fetal position.
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And the shopkeeper said
the monkey was dying.
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He had been taken away from his mother
and he was depressed.
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So, I come home, driving my jeep
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with a big cage in the back
and a monkey in the cage.
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And I remember the kids freaked out.
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They were so scared.
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Steve said, "You know,
in a normal household,
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kids say, 'Can we have a monkey?'
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And the mother says, 'Are you crazy?'"
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You know, when I hear my stories about
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the things I've done, I think,
"That's crazy."
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Susan Lacy: Did you think she was crazy?
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I liked the monkey.
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As a child, I spent a lot of my time
watching television,
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or listening to soundtrack albums,
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or just sitting around,
looking at the clouds.
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My dad was always on me for that.
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He did not like me getting Cs,
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but school was not a place
I was really drawn to.
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Nancy: Steve was a kid that was
sort of watchful and tentative
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and in some ways hesitant.
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You know, he wasn't like the normal kids
in the neighborhood.
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He wasn't the muscle guy.
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You know, he got bullied a lot.
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That was tough.
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Most of my demons
were self-inflicted wounds.
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They were things inside myself.
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The way I saw myself.
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I didn't have a lot
of high esteem for myself,
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you know, growing up.
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I just was a lonely guy.
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J.J. Abrams:
I think that explained a lot
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of why and how he was compelled
to make movies.
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It was not just a means of expression,
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but it was a means of escape,
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and it was a means of sometimes
making friends with people
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that you couldn't otherwise,
or getting to hang out
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with girls that you might not
be able to otherwise,
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or just finding a way to have meaning.
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The camera was my pen.
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I wrote my stories through the lens.
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And when I was able to say
"action" and "cut,"
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I wrested control of my life.
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I love films like
the "Sands of Iwo Jima,"
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the "Flying Tigers,"
"Battleground,"
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films that I'd see on television.
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And I would watch these things
over and over and over again.
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I was really influenced
by all that stuff,
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and so my first couple of movies
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were stories about World War II.
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There was an airport with a bunch
of World War II airplanes
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just sitting out there on the tarmac.
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I would take a shot of my friend
with his finger on the stick
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and intercut actual 8mm combat footage.
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A lot of it shot by John Ford,
by the way.
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And made a movie that looked like
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the production value was off the charts
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because the production value
was off the charts.
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It was the real thing.
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Abrams: You can just look
at those movies,
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and you see the ability
to tell a story without words.
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His use of primitive special effects
was spectacular.
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You know, he'd have big bullet hits,
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he'd put little see-saws of dirt,
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so that when his actors were running,
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they'd step on one piece,
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and it would sort of catapult
the dirt up in the air
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as if they were being shot
as they were running.
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There were things that he did that just
made complete sense.
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You saw the trajectory.
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There was something
in the DNA of it that,
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despite it being shot on 8mm film,
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was the voice of that same filmmaker.
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But I didn't know anything about whether
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I was gonna have a career
or where this was gonna go.
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I just knew that it filled up
the time and it gave me
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a tremendous amount of satisfaction.
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And the second I finished a movie,
I wanted to start a new one
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because I felt good about myself when
I was making a film.
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But when I had too much time to think,
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all those scary whispers
would start-- start up.
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It was not fun to be me
in between ideas or projects.
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Sid Sheinberg:
The lore has it that as a young man,
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Steven was sort of
the Phantom of the Opera,
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haunting the lot of Universal Studios.
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He would literally get on the lot
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one way or another.
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I got on the studio tour bus,
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took a jaunt around the back lot.
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And then at one point
they give you a bathroom break,
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and I never came out of the bathroom.
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I waited till I could hear a pin drop,
and then came out.
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The bus was gone and I was on the lot.
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James Brolin:
Word was that he went upstairs
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in the tower and took an office
on the sixth floor,
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and nobody bothered him for six months.
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Dreyfuss: The story was
he requisitioned an office,
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telephone, put his name on the door.
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Eh, I don't believe it,
but you know what they said
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in "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance"--
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when the legend is bigger than
the facts,print the legend.
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Roger Ernest: One time he sneaked
onto Alfred Hitchcock's set
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and watched him direct a little bit
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until he got caught
and was asked to leave.
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Steve was constantly learning,
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constantly looking,
constantly asking questions
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from all of the tradespeople--
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cinematographer, lighting, editors.
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It was like Spielberg 101 in overdrive.
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I tried very hard
to get into USC Film School,
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and I just didn't have
the grades to get in.
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And I even had
a personal interview at USC,
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and they turned me down even in person.
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So, Universal became my film school.
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Ernest: Steven was laser focused.
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He never lost sight of the fact that
the audience early on, for him,
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wasn't the audience in the theater.
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The audience were the studio executives.
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And he figured out how to make a film
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that will convince
the studio executives that,
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"Yes, I have the talent to
be a director.
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This is what I can do."
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I looked at this film,
and I was very taken with it.
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I had a very strong feeling
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that this was not your average
young filmmaker.
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Sid Sheinberg, who was President of
Universal Television at the time,
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he said, "So, sir, I saw your film.
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Very well made.
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I'd like to offer you
a seven-year contract
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to come to Universal
to direct television."
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He said, "If you sign with us,
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I will support you
as strongly in failure
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as I will in success."
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And he was true to his word.
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And that was the beginning
of the most important relationship
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I could ever imagine having
in this business.
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Steven was known
as the uncrowned prince.
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He was the guy
who was gonna make it.
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I mean, he was directing
Joan Crawford
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when he was 20.
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That'll teach you a lot of things.
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Joan Crawford is the first
professional SAG member
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I ever directed in my life!
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I want to see something!
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Trees, concrete, buildings,
grass, airplanes, color!
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It was Cassavetes who said,
"If you want to be a real filmmaker,
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you can't be afraid
of anything or anybody."
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And Steven's not.
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He's there with Joan Crawford
who wants him out every day.
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And he's gotta shoot and
be on schedule and be good,
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meaning that it has to have a vision.
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The shots have to have a point of view.
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But after "Night Gallery" came out,
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there was a lot of criticism on
the fact that I was a novelty item.
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The youngest term director
ever put under contract in history.
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And the producers who were
doing the hiring wouldn't hire me.
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There was a lot of hostility,
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and I had to prove myself to everybody.
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You know, they looked at me
as sort of Sheinberg's folly.
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He underwrote me.
Let him find me work.
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Brolin: I had wanted to direct,
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and Steven walks in, and he's a kid!
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And I'm envious as hell right away.
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Steven's able to walk into a room,
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look for a second or two,
say, "Here. Here."
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"Move that here. Give me a 25mm here."
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"Put it this way. Face forward."
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"Move it. Silhouette here."
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Two takes, three takes.
"That's enough. Thanks."
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"Let's move on."
It was amazing.
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Steven Bochco:
Steven had a gear in his brain
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that automatically translated
words into pictures
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almost without it being
a conscious process for him.
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There was a unique visual voice there
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that you had to not only
pay attention to,
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but you had to give
somewhat of a free rein to.
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My early themes always had
the underdog being pursued
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by indomitable forces
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of both nature and natural enemies,
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and that person has to rise
to the occasion to survive.
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And a lot of that comes just from
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the insecurities I felt as a kid
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and how that bled over into the work.
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I was always the kid with the big bully,
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and "Duel" was my life
in the schoolyard.
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The truck was the bully,
and the car was me.
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George Lucas: I was over
at Francis Coppola's,
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and "Duel" was gonna be shown
that night,
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so I sort of snuck away from the party
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and said, "I wanna see this film.
I wanna see what this kid did."
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I was sort of on the fence about Steven.
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I said, "Knows what he's doing,
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nice, but a little too Hollywoody
for my taste."
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I saw "Amblin" and I thought
"Amblin" was nice,
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but it wasn't-- you know,
it was very, very flashy.
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It was very, very professional.
486
00:27:33,195 --> 00:27:35,362
And for the rest of us,
we were all rough-edged,
487
00:27:35,362 --> 00:27:38,153
crazy guys that were doing
much more dirty work.
488
00:27:38,153 --> 00:27:39,987
So, I thought, "Well, I'll watch
the first half hour
489
00:27:39,987 --> 00:27:42,946
and just see what he's up to."
490
00:27:42,946 --> 00:27:44,737
And I ended up watching the whole thing.
491
00:27:44,737 --> 00:27:48,570
And I came down to Francis,
I said, "This guy's amazing.
492
00:27:48,570 --> 00:27:50,320
You really gotta look at this film."
493
00:27:56,987 --> 00:27:59,529
Right off the bat, it was clear
494
00:27:59,529 --> 00:28:05,029
that no one moved the camera
like Steven Spielberg.
495
00:28:07,445 --> 00:28:11,737
Other directors had
a fantastic sense of space.
496
00:28:11,737 --> 00:28:14,071
Orson Welles,
you name it,
497
00:28:14,071 --> 00:28:16,695
people who understood composition.
498
00:28:19,695 --> 00:28:22,362
But the way that Spielberg's camera
499
00:28:22,362 --> 00:28:24,529
moved through a shot
500
00:28:24,529 --> 00:28:27,570
and then ended up somewhere
that completely shifted
501
00:28:27,570 --> 00:28:29,946
or intensified the emotion of the scene,
502
00:28:29,946 --> 00:28:32,779
that was just a natural gift he had.
503
00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:35,029
Who knows where that came from.
504
00:28:35,029 --> 00:28:37,987
Who-- but it was his own technique.
505
00:28:37,987 --> 00:28:39,946
Francis Ford Coppola:
"Duel" was a composition
506
00:28:39,946 --> 00:28:42,779
that had a very elusive
and interesting theme.
507
00:28:42,779 --> 00:28:45,112
You know, this unknown menace.
508
00:28:45,112 --> 00:28:48,821
Everyone's been on a road and some idiot
has crossed in front of you,
509
00:28:48,821 --> 00:28:53,112
and, you know, you're tempted
to rev up fast
510
00:28:53,112 --> 00:28:54,779
and go do something nasty to him.
511
00:28:54,779 --> 00:28:58,487
And here he took this
and made it into a parable.
512
00:29:10,904 --> 00:29:12,487
When ABC saw "Duel,"
513
00:29:12,487 --> 00:29:15,071
they were very excited
by what they were seeing.
514
00:29:15,071 --> 00:29:18,153
But at the very, very end
when the truck did not explode
515
00:29:18,153 --> 00:29:20,320
in a pyrotechnics display,
516
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:21,987
George Eckstein called me and said,
517
00:29:21,987 --> 00:29:25,278
"Network's really upset that
the truck didn't blow up,
518
00:29:25,278 --> 00:29:28,654
so they're ordering us
to go back to that cliff
519
00:29:28,654 --> 00:29:30,320
and blow the truck up."
520
00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:31,946
And I said, "I'm not gonna do it."
521
00:29:34,195 --> 00:29:36,195
The death of the truck is so agonizing.
522
00:29:36,195 --> 00:29:39,320
I said, "I made that truck die slowly."
523
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:42,737
The oil, like blood, dripping
off the steering wheel.
524
00:29:42,737 --> 00:29:45,570
The wheel slowly rolling to a stop.
525
00:29:45,570 --> 00:29:48,987
The fan still going,
but the truck's dying.
526
00:29:48,987 --> 00:29:50,570
I mean, it's the death of the truck.
527
00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:52,946
That's what the audience wants to see.
528
00:29:52,946 --> 00:29:55,529
This criminal element paying--
529
00:29:55,529 --> 00:29:58,487
you know, paying the price
for what it did to this man.
530
00:29:58,487 --> 00:30:02,529
I wouldn't do it.
I wouldn't blow up the truck.
531
00:30:02,529 --> 00:30:06,278
For Steven, the little screen
was an interesting canvas,
532
00:30:06,278 --> 00:30:09,362
and obviously he painted
on it very well,
533
00:30:09,362 --> 00:30:11,612
but he knew that this screen
534
00:30:11,612 --> 00:30:15,570
simply wasn't a large enough canvas.
535
00:30:24,071 --> 00:30:25,946
Vilmos Zsigmond:
He's a director who knows
536
00:30:25,946 --> 00:30:28,112
how important cinematography is,
537
00:30:28,112 --> 00:30:32,487
and the way Steven directed
"Sugarland Express" was so fresh,
538
00:30:32,487 --> 00:30:34,737
you know, because everything
was on location.
539
00:30:34,737 --> 00:30:39,071
And half of the movie
was inside of a police car.
540
00:30:39,071 --> 00:30:41,862
And that was a difficult thing to--
541
00:30:41,862 --> 00:30:43,737
to keep that alive all the time.
542
00:30:43,737 --> 00:30:45,737
You know, the angles and all that.
543
00:30:47,737 --> 00:30:49,445
I see lights, a whole bunch.
544
00:30:49,445 --> 00:30:51,362
For me, directing is camerawork,
545
00:30:51,362 --> 00:30:53,529
and so I'm very
on the front line of that.
546
00:30:53,529 --> 00:30:56,112
I've gotta set up the shot,
I've gotta block the actors,
547
00:30:56,112 --> 00:30:58,112
choreograph the movement of the scene,
548
00:30:58,112 --> 00:30:59,779
bring the camera into the choreography,
549
00:30:59,779 --> 00:31:01,612
figure out when the camera stops,
how it moves,
550
00:31:01,612 --> 00:31:03,487
how far it moves,
what the composition is,
551
00:31:03,487 --> 00:31:05,946
so I've always got my eye on the lens,
and that's what I do.
552
00:31:05,946 --> 00:31:07,779
I even pick the lens I want.
553
00:31:14,487 --> 00:31:16,529
His strength is really the ability
554
00:31:16,529 --> 00:31:20,112
to be able to tell a story
in pictures instinctively.
555
00:31:20,112 --> 00:31:24,237
I sometimes watch his pictures on TV
without the sound
556
00:31:24,237 --> 00:31:26,987
just to see the pictures.
557
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:36,278
Pauline Kael, one of the most
influential film critics of all time,
558
00:31:36,278 --> 00:31:38,946
wrote in "The New Yorker"
that Steven Spielberg had made
559
00:31:38,946 --> 00:31:43,112
one of the most phenomenal debuts
in the history of film.
560
00:31:43,112 --> 00:31:44,570
She compared him to Howard Hawks
561
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:49,612
in terms of how natural
his feel for the medium was.
562
00:31:49,612 --> 00:31:51,320
What Kael saw in Spielberg
563
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,695
was someone with a real movie sense,
564
00:31:54,695 --> 00:31:56,987
but she also said
she wasn't necessarily sure
565
00:31:56,987 --> 00:31:59,320
there was great depth to go with it.
566
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:03,112
She didn't see a sign
of an emerging film artist
567
00:32:03,112 --> 00:32:04,654
like Martin Scorsese.
568
00:32:04,654 --> 00:32:07,695
What she saw instead was the birth
569
00:32:07,695 --> 00:32:11,278
of a new generation Hollywood hand.
570
00:32:13,904 --> 00:32:17,195
Martin Scorsese,
filmmaker of "Mean Streets."
571
00:32:17,195 --> 00:32:19,570
This is Brian De Palma, loud as ever.
572
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:26,153
- George and Marcia Lucas.
- Hi!
573
00:32:26,153 --> 00:32:27,821
And this is Steven.
574
00:32:27,821 --> 00:32:29,821
Get the camera arranged.
Great.
575
00:32:29,821 --> 00:32:31,695
♪ Time has come today ♪
576
00:32:33,278 --> 00:32:35,445
♪ Young hearts can go their way... ♪
577
00:32:35,445 --> 00:32:38,904
In the mid to late '60s,
there was a major change
578
00:32:38,904 --> 00:32:40,570
in the Hollywood studio system.
579
00:32:40,570 --> 00:32:42,487
It was a very different world
they had to serve,
580
00:32:42,487 --> 00:32:44,654
and there was a new freedom, too.
581
00:32:44,654 --> 00:32:47,946
Brian De Palma: So, suddenly the doors
were open for young directors
582
00:32:47,946 --> 00:32:51,862
with very crazy,
seemingly original ideas.
583
00:32:51,862 --> 00:32:54,987
It's almost like, you know,
crashing a party.
584
00:32:57,195 --> 00:33:00,278
Yeah, people were on the way out,
and we were going in.
585
00:33:00,278 --> 00:33:02,362
We were absolutely obsessed with movies,
586
00:33:02,362 --> 00:33:04,695
but we certainly didn't look at it
as a career.
587
00:33:04,695 --> 00:33:06,695
We didn't think we were ever
gonna make any money at it.
588
00:33:06,695 --> 00:33:09,195
There was George and Francis,
589
00:33:09,195 --> 00:33:11,821
and then there was Marty and me,
590
00:33:11,821 --> 00:33:14,445
and then there was Steven.
591
00:33:14,445 --> 00:33:16,237
We came from different places,
592
00:33:16,237 --> 00:33:20,654
but needless to say, we were always
very happy to be together.
593
00:33:20,654 --> 00:33:24,278
When we got together,
it was like a fraternity of directors.
594
00:33:24,278 --> 00:33:27,862
George, put the camera
on the table, on--
595
00:33:27,862 --> 00:33:29,403
I'm gonna hit a ball into the lens,
596
00:33:29,403 --> 00:33:33,403
and you pick the camera up
at the last moment.
597
00:33:33,403 --> 00:33:35,862
When I got into the group
of the Movie Brats,
598
00:33:35,862 --> 00:33:37,946
as somebody once called us,
599
00:33:37,946 --> 00:33:40,320
I never-- it was the first time
I felt like an insider.
600
00:33:47,195 --> 00:33:50,403
We were very, very fortunate
to be part of that time.
601
00:33:50,403 --> 00:33:52,237
The culture was converging.
602
00:33:52,237 --> 00:33:53,487
That's Albert.
603
00:33:53,487 --> 00:33:55,779
It was filmmakers, it was artists,
604
00:33:55,779 --> 00:33:57,695
musicians, performers.
605
00:33:57,695 --> 00:34:00,570
It was an incredible, fertile time.
606
00:34:00,570 --> 00:34:02,695
And here we have Amy Irving in the car.
607
00:34:02,695 --> 00:34:04,946
Brian De Palma introduced us
when she was making "Carrie."
608
00:34:04,946 --> 00:34:07,946
- That's how we first met.
- Then they started to go out together.
609
00:34:07,946 --> 00:34:10,320
They were together
and then they were apart,
610
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:12,278
and then they got back together again.
611
00:34:12,278 --> 00:34:14,821
- Amy half dressed.
- As usual, sewing.
612
00:34:14,821 --> 00:34:17,904
Yes, sewing Steven's pants
to get him ready
613
00:34:17,904 --> 00:34:20,195
for the big day that's coming very soon.
614
00:34:20,195 --> 00:34:22,320
Noogies, noogies.
615
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,654
Steven was a nerd.
616
00:34:23,654 --> 00:34:26,237
Master of the world!
617
00:34:26,237 --> 00:34:28,362
A loveable nerd, but he was a nerd.
618
00:34:28,362 --> 00:34:33,987
He was not into sports
or drugs or rock 'n' roll,
619
00:34:33,987 --> 00:34:37,195
but he was passionate
and he was so enthusiastic.
620
00:34:37,195 --> 00:34:39,153
He used to love to talk about film,
621
00:34:39,153 --> 00:34:41,445
and it was infectious, his enthusiasm.
622
00:34:41,445 --> 00:34:43,904
Steven had the first car phone.
623
00:34:43,904 --> 00:34:45,112
It's ringing.
624
00:34:45,112 --> 00:34:48,445
So, Steven and I used to go around
625
00:34:48,445 --> 00:34:51,531
and call up a girl and say,
"Well, let's get together,"
626
00:34:51,532 --> 00:34:52,766
and she'd say, "Fine."
627
00:34:52,821 --> 00:34:55,821
And then of course we'd be
parked right outside her house.
628
00:34:55,821 --> 00:34:59,112
That was like--
I would say--
629
00:34:59,112 --> 00:35:01,529
it may seem extremely silly now,
630
00:35:01,529 --> 00:35:03,904
but in those days it was like a miracle.
631
00:35:03,904 --> 00:35:06,570
He was fun. He was fun to be around.
632
00:35:06,570 --> 00:35:09,112
I'm Julia Child, the French chef.
633
00:35:10,737 --> 00:35:14,946
Today we are carving...
turkey for Thanksgiving!
634
00:35:14,946 --> 00:35:17,195
We were all struggling
635
00:35:17,195 --> 00:35:19,529
with our first very
unsuccessful attempts
636
00:35:19,529 --> 00:35:22,403
to penetrate the
Hollywood establishment,
637
00:35:22,403 --> 00:35:24,862
but Steven was working all the time.
638
00:35:24,862 --> 00:35:28,237
Steven always was a creature
of the studio,
639
00:35:28,237 --> 00:35:32,987
and his thinking and his methodology
went that direction,
640
00:35:32,987 --> 00:35:34,779
and he became a master of it.
641
00:35:34,779 --> 00:35:37,779
He was very fortunate
that the kind of movie
642
00:35:37,779 --> 00:35:41,320
he really had a sense for
was also the kind of movie
643
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:42,946
that the audience had a sense for.
644
00:35:42,946 --> 00:35:44,403
We are now in the Scorsese kitchen.
645
00:35:44,403 --> 00:35:47,862
We are going to show "Hell's Angels."
646
00:35:47,862 --> 00:35:49,862
We all gravitated towards each other.
647
00:35:49,862 --> 00:35:53,029
We had that one thing that kept us
all together, the one element.
648
00:35:53,029 --> 00:35:57,946
The one kind of a madness
and an obsession with movies.
649
00:35:57,946 --> 00:35:59,779
We were consulting with each other,
650
00:35:59,779 --> 00:36:03,071
and unabashedly giving opinions
about each other's works.
651
00:36:03,071 --> 00:36:04,904
It was very much that way,
652
00:36:04,904 --> 00:36:06,821
but we were still competitive.
653
00:36:06,821 --> 00:36:08,570
"Come and see my movie.
654
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:10,779
Sit down-- sit here.
The sound's best here."
655
00:36:10,779 --> 00:36:12,529
And blow the other guy away.
656
00:36:12,529 --> 00:36:15,612
Everybody was sort of forced to
do a better job
657
00:36:15,612 --> 00:36:16,904
to impress everybody,
658
00:36:16,904 --> 00:36:18,904
because Marty had done this movie,
659
00:36:18,904 --> 00:36:20,612
or Francis had done that movie.
660
00:36:20,612 --> 00:36:22,529
They became like the acid test.
661
00:36:22,529 --> 00:36:26,987
You get some real grounding
and you hope an honesty--
662
00:36:26,987 --> 00:36:28,570
maybe not too honest.
663
00:36:31,946 --> 00:36:33,403
George showed a bunch of us
664
00:36:33,403 --> 00:36:34,904
"Star Wars" for the first time,
665
00:36:34,904 --> 00:36:36,570
and there were no effects in yet.
666
00:36:36,570 --> 00:36:39,278
It was just World War II,
black-and-white stock footage
667
00:36:39,278 --> 00:36:42,612
intercut with blue screen
production color footage,
668
00:36:42,612 --> 00:36:43,946
and then showed that movie to us,
669
00:36:43,946 --> 00:36:45,904
expecting us to be able
to see the movie.
670
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:47,654
It was basically a children's film.
671
00:36:47,654 --> 00:36:49,403
You know, it wasn't what
the other friends of mine
672
00:36:49,403 --> 00:36:51,737
would think of as something
really worthwhile.
673
00:36:51,737 --> 00:36:54,445
Steven was the one person
who was really enthusiastic about it
674
00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:56,529
and said, "This is gonna be
a huge smash."
675
00:36:56,529 --> 00:36:58,362
But George said, "I think it's gonna be
a disaster."
676
00:36:58,362 --> 00:37:00,112
He was very depressed, and we all went
677
00:37:00,112 --> 00:37:02,529
to a Chinese restaurant
after the film was over,
678
00:37:02,529 --> 00:37:06,362
and Brian stood up
and started to geschrei about,
679
00:37:06,362 --> 00:37:09,779
"What's going on around here?
I don't understand the story.
680
00:37:09,779 --> 00:37:11,946
Who are these people?
Who's the hairy guy?
681
00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:15,112
Where do they come from?
Where's the context?
682
00:37:15,112 --> 00:37:17,362
Where's the backstory?
It's driving me crazy."
683
00:37:17,362 --> 00:37:18,946
Brian went off on George.
684
00:37:18,946 --> 00:37:20,987
And George just sat there.
He turned red.
685
00:37:20,987 --> 00:37:23,112
George, I think, wanted to kill him.
686
00:37:23,112 --> 00:37:25,487
But out of all that,
something great came.
687
00:37:25,487 --> 00:37:28,779
Brian basically said, "You need, like,
an old-fashioned movie
688
00:37:28,779 --> 00:37:30,904
to start the picture with a foreword,
689
00:37:30,904 --> 00:37:33,695
and all these words come on the screen,
and they travel up,
690
00:37:33,695 --> 00:37:36,320
and the foreword tells you
what the hell you're looking at
691
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,362
and why you're in the theater
and what the mythology is.
692
00:37:39,362 --> 00:37:41,237
Tell us what this world is,
693
00:37:41,237 --> 00:37:43,029
and then we can enjoy the picture."
694
00:37:43,029 --> 00:37:45,612
And that was the birth
of the famous prologue.
695
00:37:45,612 --> 00:37:48,987
Steven came to visit me when
I was shooting "Scarface,"
696
00:37:48,987 --> 00:37:50,654
and I gave him one of the units
697
00:37:50,654 --> 00:37:54,737
to shoot the Colombians
coming up the staircase.
698
00:37:54,737 --> 00:37:57,487
Say hello to my little friend.
699
00:37:57,487 --> 00:37:59,821
So, we were just shooting
people getting shot
700
00:37:59,821 --> 00:38:01,987
for a couple of weeks.
701
00:38:01,987 --> 00:38:04,570
We all had great respect
for each other's work,
702
00:38:04,570 --> 00:38:06,821
and we were just trying
to help each other out
703
00:38:06,821 --> 00:38:10,153
when we would see things that we thought
could be improved.
704
00:38:10,153 --> 00:38:11,862
All right, now I am turning the--
705
00:38:11,862 --> 00:38:13,821
the camera over to our new director--
706
00:38:13,821 --> 00:38:17,904
That's the worst swish pan
I've ever seen.
707
00:38:17,904 --> 00:38:19,821
The worst swish pan I've ever seen.
708
00:38:19,821 --> 00:38:21,695
He's shooting me.
I'm totally in darkness.
709
00:38:21,695 --> 00:38:23,570
How do you expect to see anything?
710
00:38:23,570 --> 00:38:26,112
It's kind of like what happened in Paris
in the '20s.
711
00:38:26,112 --> 00:38:29,029
You know, you get a group of people,
they're all crazy people,
712
00:38:29,029 --> 00:38:32,570
and they're controversial
and doing the same struggle,
713
00:38:32,570 --> 00:38:34,362
but you sort of look at it later
and you say,
714
00:38:34,362 --> 00:38:35,695
"How could that whole group--"
715
00:38:35,695 --> 00:38:38,695
the whole group became successful
716
00:38:38,695 --> 00:38:41,529
and dominated the film business.
717
00:38:41,529 --> 00:38:42,821
It's like, how could that be?
718
00:38:42,821 --> 00:38:44,946
We were just a bunch of crazy kids.
719
00:38:44,946 --> 00:38:47,403
But, you know, I think
a lot of it was really love of film
720
00:38:47,403 --> 00:38:51,112
and all desperate to make film
any way we could.
721
00:39:11,946 --> 00:39:13,403
Oh, my God.
722
00:39:16,570 --> 00:39:18,904
Tony Kushner: When you're watching
Steven's movies,
723
00:39:18,904 --> 00:39:22,237
you feel like you're in the presence
of something mysterious
724
00:39:22,237 --> 00:39:25,946
and inexpressible and poetic.
725
00:39:25,946 --> 00:39:27,862
Enjoying very simple pleasures--
726
00:39:27,862 --> 00:39:31,320
being scared, being amused,
being dazzled.
727
00:39:45,445 --> 00:39:47,195
I had been very influenced
728
00:39:47,195 --> 00:39:50,029
by how far Stanley Kubrick took
"2001: A Space Odyssey"
729
00:39:50,029 --> 00:39:52,987
into the world of, really,
expressionist art,
730
00:39:52,987 --> 00:39:56,737
and I wanted to take
"Close Encounters" even further.
731
00:39:58,654 --> 00:40:01,112
I really wanted the audience
to look at the screen and say,
732
00:40:01,112 --> 00:40:03,112
"I'm having a sighting,"
733
00:40:03,112 --> 00:40:05,612
but I wasn't sure
any of this was gonna work.
734
00:40:06,946 --> 00:40:08,779
Bob Balaban: It was very risky.
735
00:40:08,779 --> 00:40:10,320
The effects for "Close Encounters"
736
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:12,320
basically had never been done before.
737
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:15,904
He shot the people
with a motion control camera,
738
00:40:15,904 --> 00:40:18,071
making the camera move, pan, tilt,
739
00:40:18,071 --> 00:40:19,695
whatever he want to do.
740
00:40:19,695 --> 00:40:22,612
And then that's recorded,
actually, on a tape,
741
00:40:22,612 --> 00:40:25,737
and then when Doug Trumbull,
the special effects supervisor,
742
00:40:25,737 --> 00:40:28,695
goes back to the
post production facilities,
743
00:40:28,695 --> 00:40:31,987
he can actually duplicate
exactly that camera move.
744
00:40:31,987 --> 00:40:35,029
So, when you married the two images,
they were perfect,
745
00:40:35,029 --> 00:40:38,320
and you could have,
for really about the first time,
746
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:39,821
moving special effects.
747
00:40:39,821 --> 00:40:41,862
Always before, you had to kind of
sit there quietly,
748
00:40:41,862 --> 00:40:44,112
because if you moved,
it would destroy everything.
749
00:40:44,112 --> 00:40:45,695
Everybody is doing that today.
750
00:40:45,695 --> 00:40:48,445
They could not be doing
those effect movies
751
00:40:48,445 --> 00:40:53,029
unless Steven and Doug didn't
try all these things already.
752
00:40:55,821 --> 00:40:59,529
The stakes were so high for Steven
on "Close Encounters."
753
00:40:59,529 --> 00:41:02,529
Columbia Pictures was literally on
the verge of bankruptcy,
754
00:41:02,529 --> 00:41:05,654
and they bet the farm on this movie.
755
00:41:05,654 --> 00:41:09,071
He had bankers and Hollywood
breathing down his neck
756
00:41:09,071 --> 00:41:12,112
to prove to the world that
"Jaws" wasn't a fluke.
757
00:41:12,112 --> 00:41:16,695
So, Steven had a giant responsibility
on his shoulders,
758
00:41:16,695 --> 00:41:20,029
but he had to stay true
to what worked for him,
759
00:41:20,029 --> 00:41:21,779
or it wasn't gonna be a good film.
760
00:41:21,779 --> 00:41:23,695
And he did.
761
00:41:23,695 --> 00:41:26,862
Win or lose, he made the movie that
he had dreamed of making.
762
00:41:30,237 --> 00:41:32,071
When I was a kid,
my dad took me to watch
763
00:41:32,071 --> 00:41:35,237
the Perseid meteor shower
and introduced me to the sky
764
00:41:35,237 --> 00:41:37,570
as a place of unspeakable wonders.
765
00:41:37,570 --> 00:41:40,904
And because it was such a beautiful
experience for me,
766
00:41:40,904 --> 00:41:43,862
the heavens promised
if there was ever gonna be,
767
00:41:43,862 --> 00:41:46,654
you know, a first meeting
768
00:41:46,654 --> 00:41:49,529
between an extraterrestrial
civilization and our own,
769
00:41:49,529 --> 00:41:53,195
it would only be benign
and constructive.
770
00:41:53,195 --> 00:41:54,737
It would be a conversation.
771
00:42:04,071 --> 00:42:05,987
When these extraterrestrials
are coming here,
772
00:42:05,987 --> 00:42:07,654
we don't know what they can speak,
773
00:42:07,654 --> 00:42:09,362
what they understand,
or even what they see,
774
00:42:09,362 --> 00:42:11,695
so Steven had this idea
that communication
775
00:42:11,695 --> 00:42:15,779
should be a combination
of sound and light.
776
00:42:26,362 --> 00:42:28,529
I had first thought mathematics would be
777
00:42:28,529 --> 00:42:30,987
the common language
between intergalactic species,
778
00:42:30,987 --> 00:42:33,654
but I thought it would be
much more emotional
779
00:42:33,654 --> 00:42:37,112
if music was how we spoke
to one another.
780
00:42:41,779 --> 00:42:44,029
I don't search for films consciously
781
00:42:44,029 --> 00:42:46,612
that have a spiritual core.
782
00:42:46,612 --> 00:42:48,779
There's a spiritual part
of myself that happens
783
00:42:48,779 --> 00:42:52,445
to bleed over into the work,
and so I subconsciously,
784
00:42:52,445 --> 00:42:54,946
which is the only choice
that's important,
785
00:42:54,946 --> 00:42:59,237
will find things that inherently have
something of a belief system
786
00:42:59,237 --> 00:43:01,946
that's beyond our understanding,
that's a little bit out there.
787
00:43:01,946 --> 00:43:05,779
"Close Encounters" was
much more a personal statement
788
00:43:05,779 --> 00:43:08,112
than his previous two movies had been.
789
00:43:08,112 --> 00:43:10,320
I mean, he wrote the script.
790
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,821
It really meant
a huge amount to Steven.
791
00:43:12,821 --> 00:43:14,946
Its genesis was from a film
792
00:43:14,946 --> 00:43:17,362
I had actually written
and directed when I was 17.
793
00:43:20,654 --> 00:43:24,153
It was the story of man's
first contact with UFOs.
794
00:43:26,112 --> 00:43:31,153
And there were actually UFOs in
"Firelight" that I created.
795
00:43:31,153 --> 00:43:34,153
I saw a lot of movies, and I had
a whole card catalogue in my brain
796
00:43:34,153 --> 00:43:36,071
of the things I had seen.
797
00:43:36,071 --> 00:43:38,654
And just by watching movies
with special effects in them,
798
00:43:38,654 --> 00:43:41,821
I could figure most everything out.
799
00:43:41,821 --> 00:43:44,195
In a way, he had lived
with "Close Encounters"
800
00:43:44,195 --> 00:43:46,904
since he was a child.
801
00:43:46,904 --> 00:43:50,403
And he had a vision
in a real palpable sense
802
00:43:50,403 --> 00:43:52,487
of what this movie
should feel like
803
00:43:52,487 --> 00:43:53,987
when you experience the movie.
804
00:43:55,570 --> 00:43:58,654
Steven doesn't want to make
little personal movies.
805
00:43:58,654 --> 00:44:01,612
He wants to make big personal movies.
806
00:44:01,612 --> 00:44:03,821
That's not right.
That's not right.
807
00:44:07,195 --> 00:44:08,695
That's not right.
808
00:44:10,862 --> 00:44:12,529
That's not right.
809
00:44:15,946 --> 00:44:18,071
I identified with this obsession
810
00:44:18,071 --> 00:44:20,445
that Richard Dreyfuss
was struggling with.
811
00:44:20,445 --> 00:44:22,112
I was Neary in that movie.
812
00:44:23,904 --> 00:44:26,695
Something opens up his imagination
813
00:44:26,695 --> 00:44:28,403
to go for something that he thinks
814
00:44:28,403 --> 00:44:31,862
is going to provide
some cathartic answer.
815
00:44:31,862 --> 00:44:34,320
He had to go through chaos
816
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,737
to reach some kind of clarity.
817
00:44:36,737 --> 00:44:38,737
He was an artist trying to plumb
818
00:44:38,737 --> 00:44:41,487
the depths of his imagination.
819
00:44:41,487 --> 00:44:43,071
And so I think in a sense
820
00:44:43,071 --> 00:44:44,862
"Close Encounters" is maybe the most,
821
00:44:44,862 --> 00:44:46,946
at least certainly
the most personal film
822
00:44:46,946 --> 00:44:49,737
I had made up to that point,
823
00:44:49,737 --> 00:44:52,862
because it was also about
the dissolution of a family.
824
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:13,487
I remember when we moved
to Northern California from Arizona.
825
00:45:13,487 --> 00:45:17,071
I had sensed that things
weren't going well with my parents.
826
00:45:17,071 --> 00:45:18,904
And one day,
my dad just broke down,
827
00:45:18,904 --> 00:45:20,946
and I never had seen
my dad cry before.
828
00:45:20,946 --> 00:45:22,695
And I just stood there
in the kitchen,
829
00:45:22,695 --> 00:45:25,237
outraged that my father
was not a man.
830
00:45:25,237 --> 00:45:27,862
He was crying like a little boy.
831
00:45:27,862 --> 00:45:31,320
And I started screaming "crybaby" at him
as loud as I could.
832
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,071
Just started screaming, "Crybaby,
you crybaby, you crybaby,"
833
00:45:34,071 --> 00:45:35,612
until they pushed me out of the kitchen.
834
00:45:35,612 --> 00:45:38,403
Roy, promise me that you'll go!
Please!
835
00:45:38,403 --> 00:45:42,237
You crybaby!
You crybaby! You crybaby!
836
00:45:42,237 --> 00:45:45,153
- You crybaby! Crybaby!
- Get out of here! Get out!
837
00:45:45,153 --> 00:45:46,737
Come on, you guys.
838
00:45:46,737 --> 00:45:47,821
- Crybaby!
- Come on.
839
00:45:47,821 --> 00:45:49,278
You crybaby!
840
00:45:49,278 --> 00:45:51,320
- Be quiet!
- Ronnie: Stop it!
841
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:55,403
My mom went from being
completely joyful
842
00:45:55,403 --> 00:45:58,487
and celebrative about life itself
843
00:45:58,487 --> 00:46:04,278
to being full of despair
and palpable sadness.
844
00:46:12,071 --> 00:46:14,195
I would see my mom
going into the living room
845
00:46:14,195 --> 00:46:17,821
and playing some Schumann and crying.
846
00:46:17,821 --> 00:46:20,779
Crying to the point she couldn't see
the notes on the paper.
847
00:46:22,779 --> 00:46:25,570
I'd sit with her and hold her hand,
talk to her.
848
00:46:25,570 --> 00:46:28,779
She just said, "I'm so lonely here.
I'm so sad here."
849
00:46:28,779 --> 00:46:30,654
I was going through
the same thing.
850
00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:32,195
And all I knew was that my dad
851
00:46:32,195 --> 00:46:34,403
was fulfilled up there,
and we weren't.
852
00:46:34,403 --> 00:46:36,821
So, when it was announced by my mom
853
00:46:36,821 --> 00:46:39,862
that my mom and my dad
were splitting up,
854
00:46:39,862 --> 00:46:41,320
I didn't know any of the details.
855
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,779
I didn't know why
they were splitting up,
856
00:46:43,779 --> 00:46:44,946
and I didn't for a long time.
857
00:46:44,946 --> 00:46:46,195
I didn't want to know.
858
00:46:46,195 --> 00:46:48,904
I fell in love with somebody else.
859
00:46:48,904 --> 00:46:53,237
I was madly in love
with Bernie Adler.
860
00:46:53,237 --> 00:46:56,779
I look back, I think,
"How dare I do that?"
861
00:46:56,779 --> 00:46:58,779
But I really didn't care at that point.
862
00:46:58,779 --> 00:47:01,695
It was all about me
and my unhappiness.
863
00:47:01,695 --> 00:47:04,654
Bernie had been my father's best friend,
864
00:47:04,654 --> 00:47:06,237
and he was a fixture.
865
00:47:06,237 --> 00:47:07,362
It was like having an uncle.
866
00:47:10,071 --> 00:47:13,278
I never would tell the kids
that she divorced me.
867
00:47:13,278 --> 00:47:15,612
Instead, I let them think
I divorced her.
868
00:47:15,612 --> 00:47:16,904
Why did you do that?
869
00:47:16,904 --> 00:47:18,904
Protecting her 'cause she's fragile.
870
00:47:20,237 --> 00:47:21,946
And she still is.
871
00:47:21,946 --> 00:47:26,403
And so, I figured I could be
hurt less than she.
872
00:47:26,403 --> 00:47:28,362
I still loved her.
873
00:47:28,362 --> 00:47:30,904
My dad and my stepfather
were best friends.
874
00:47:30,904 --> 00:47:33,195
My mom married Dad's best friend.
875
00:47:33,195 --> 00:47:34,737
You look at the big picture,
that's shit.
876
00:47:34,737 --> 00:47:36,904
That's really bad.
877
00:47:36,904 --> 00:47:38,487
It didn't hit me till I got older
878
00:47:38,487 --> 00:47:40,612
that that was a really tough thing
for Dad,
879
00:47:40,612 --> 00:47:43,403
and I-- my heart bled for him.
880
00:47:43,403 --> 00:47:46,737
Steve really thought my dad left us.
881
00:47:46,737 --> 00:47:51,278
So, during a number of years,
we blocked him out.
882
00:47:51,278 --> 00:47:53,695
And Steve, I know, blamed him
883
00:47:53,695 --> 00:47:57,737
for the relationship going bad.
884
00:47:57,737 --> 00:47:59,403
It was literally the worst period
885
00:47:59,403 --> 00:48:00,779
of my entire life.
886
00:48:02,946 --> 00:48:05,278
I never told my dad
I was mad at him.
887
00:48:05,278 --> 00:48:06,946
We never had angry words,
888
00:48:06,946 --> 00:48:08,946
but it was an estrangement
889
00:48:08,946 --> 00:48:10,612
that I created, not from my dad.
890
00:48:10,612 --> 00:48:12,946
He was seeking a relationship with me.
891
00:48:12,946 --> 00:48:15,445
I just went off and got lost in my work,
892
00:48:15,445 --> 00:48:17,278
the way I saw my dad get lost in his
893
00:48:17,278 --> 00:48:19,237
all those years of coming home late
894
00:48:19,237 --> 00:48:21,695
and working weekends back in Phoenix and
all of that.
895
00:48:21,695 --> 00:48:24,445
I became my father.
I became a workaholic.
896
00:48:24,445 --> 00:48:28,695
And I just lost the contact with him.
897
00:48:28,695 --> 00:48:32,487
It went on for... 15 years.
898
00:48:35,071 --> 00:48:36,612
Tom Snyder:
You know, I read about you today.
899
00:48:36,612 --> 00:48:38,403
You've done four pictures.
That's all.
900
00:48:38,403 --> 00:48:40,570
Four movies that I can count.
901
00:48:40,570 --> 00:48:42,612
You're not Alfred Hitchcock
who's done over 50.
902
00:48:42,612 --> 00:48:43,862
You're not John Ford.
903
00:48:43,862 --> 00:48:45,320
Can you believe that you've directed
904
00:48:45,320 --> 00:48:46,987
four pictures and you're
a famous person?
905
00:48:46,987 --> 00:48:50,195
- Can you believe that?
- Can I believe that?
906
00:48:52,112 --> 00:48:53,737
Yes, I can, as a matter of fact.
907
00:48:53,737 --> 00:48:55,946
I can believe that I've directed
four pictures,
908
00:48:55,946 --> 00:48:58,779
although it seems like
I've been directing much longer.
909
00:48:58,779 --> 00:49:02,071
Tom Hanks: He arrived on the scene
in such a huge manner.
910
00:49:02,071 --> 00:49:03,779
You know, the way "Jaws" entered
911
00:49:03,779 --> 00:49:06,737
into the consciousness
of the world was huge.
912
00:49:06,737 --> 00:49:09,112
"Close Encounters" was 10 times as huge.
913
00:49:09,112 --> 00:49:11,779
But Steven was in the process
of inventing himself.
914
00:49:11,779 --> 00:49:14,320
I don't think he himself knew
915
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:16,487
where this road was gonna take him.
916
00:49:16,487 --> 00:49:18,821
I'm sure, like everybody else
at that age,
917
00:49:18,821 --> 00:49:21,904
he was wondering was he really as good
as he thought he was.
918
00:49:21,904 --> 00:49:24,362
And turned out he was.
919
00:49:24,362 --> 00:49:25,987
Once you do "Jaws"
920
00:49:25,987 --> 00:49:28,612
and then "Close Encounters,"
well, where do you go?
921
00:49:28,612 --> 00:49:31,153
The bar, as they say,
is set a certain level.
922
00:49:31,153 --> 00:49:32,362
And what do you do?
923
00:49:32,362 --> 00:49:33,737
You get yourself into shape
924
00:49:33,737 --> 00:49:35,779
and you jump over the bar again.
925
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,612
Originally, my idea for "E.T."
926
00:50:00,612 --> 00:50:03,737
didn't include an extraterrestrial.
927
00:50:03,737 --> 00:50:07,946
It was gonna be about how a divorce
affects childhood
928
00:50:07,946 --> 00:50:11,278
and how it really
kind of traumatizes children.
929
00:50:15,362 --> 00:50:19,362
- Dad's shirt.
- Yeah.
930
00:50:19,362 --> 00:50:24,071
Remember when he used to
take us out to the ball games
931
00:50:24,071 --> 00:50:25,946
and take us to the movies,
932
00:50:25,946 --> 00:50:28,320
and we'd have popcorn fights?
933
00:50:28,320 --> 00:50:32,195
So, the overriding theme
was gonna be about
934
00:50:32,195 --> 00:50:34,612
how do you fill the heart
of a lonely child?
935
00:50:34,612 --> 00:50:38,946
Me, human. Boy.
936
00:50:38,946 --> 00:50:42,779
- Elliott.
- And what extraordinary event
937
00:50:42,779 --> 00:50:44,779
would it take to fill Elliott's heart
938
00:50:44,779 --> 00:50:47,112
after losing his dad?
939
00:50:47,112 --> 00:50:49,946
It would take something as extraordinary
940
00:50:49,946 --> 00:50:51,904
as an extraterrestrial
coming into his life.
941
00:51:05,445 --> 00:51:07,278
Drew Barrymore: Steven, as a filmmaker,
942
00:51:07,278 --> 00:51:12,362
can create otherworldly,
almost impossible scenarios,
943
00:51:12,362 --> 00:51:15,112
but do it in a suburban setting
944
00:51:15,112 --> 00:51:17,987
and with real families and real people,
945
00:51:17,987 --> 00:51:22,570
and so, you are able to go
outer worldly, outer space,
946
00:51:22,570 --> 00:51:26,112
extraterrestrial, implausible scenario,
947
00:51:26,112 --> 00:51:29,695
because it's grounded in human beings
948
00:51:29,695 --> 00:51:31,487
and human stories.
949
00:51:31,487 --> 00:51:34,153
Okay, he's a man from outer space
950
00:51:34,153 --> 00:51:36,695
and we're taking him to his spaceship.
951
00:51:36,695 --> 00:51:41,570
- Well, can't he just beam up?
- This is reality, Greg.
952
00:51:41,570 --> 00:51:44,821
"E.T." was a suburban American story,
953
00:51:44,821 --> 00:51:47,029
and suburbia was all I knew
growing up.
954
00:51:47,029 --> 00:51:50,112
So, the movies I made
in the '70s, the '80s,
955
00:51:50,112 --> 00:51:52,654
were a reflection of what I knew.
956
00:51:52,654 --> 00:51:54,445
My main religion was suburbia.
957
00:51:54,445 --> 00:51:56,529
You know, the families
all getting together,
958
00:51:56,529 --> 00:51:59,529
nobody gets divorced,
nobody's unhappy with each other.
959
00:51:59,529 --> 00:52:00,946
'Course, it's all false.
960
00:52:00,946 --> 00:52:03,153
Maybe you just probably imagined it...
961
00:52:03,153 --> 00:52:04,477
I couldn't have imagined it.
962
00:52:04,478 --> 00:52:06,861
Maybe it was a pervert or
deformed kid or something.
963
00:52:06,904 --> 00:52:08,695
A deformed kid.
964
00:52:08,695 --> 00:52:11,362
Maybe an elf or a leprechaun.
965
00:52:11,362 --> 00:52:13,529
It was nothing like that, penis breath!
966
00:52:13,529 --> 00:52:15,821
Elliott!
967
00:52:15,821 --> 00:52:17,029
Sit down.
968
00:52:19,362 --> 00:52:22,695
Dad would believe me.
969
00:52:27,737 --> 00:52:31,445
Maybe you ought to call your father
and tell him about it.
970
00:52:31,445 --> 00:52:33,987
I can't.
He's in Mexico with Sally.
971
00:52:41,821 --> 00:52:44,529
Where's Mexico?
972
00:52:44,529 --> 00:52:47,071
I saw my childhood through this family
973
00:52:47,071 --> 00:52:50,612
and those young, wonderful actors.
974
00:52:50,612 --> 00:52:52,654
Peter Coyote:
When Steven works with children,
975
00:52:52,654 --> 00:52:55,987
he brings a kind of
"let's play" feeling.
976
00:52:55,987 --> 00:52:58,737
He'd have to pull you back.
Grab on to this, right here.
977
00:52:58,737 --> 00:53:02,071
It's not like somebody
talking baby talk to kids.
978
00:53:02,071 --> 00:53:05,029
It's just he's really
communicating to them.
979
00:53:05,029 --> 00:53:08,737
And it's sort of like
direct transmission.
980
00:53:08,737 --> 00:53:13,237
Now he suddenly turns to you,
his eyes come open.
981
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,737
Do that to E.T.
Give that joyful scream to E.T.
982
00:53:21,737 --> 00:53:24,737
Do the line again, really excited about
"Are they coming?"
983
00:53:24,737 --> 00:53:26,821
Breathing, breathing,
breathing, breathing, breathing.
984
00:53:26,821 --> 00:53:28,487
- Work yourself up.
- Does this mean they're coming?
985
00:53:28,487 --> 00:53:30,445
No, work yourself up even more.
Work yourself up.
986
00:53:30,445 --> 00:53:33,237
Does this mean they're coming?
987
00:53:33,237 --> 00:53:35,153
Bigger, bigger.
"Does this mean they're coming?"
988
00:53:35,153 --> 00:53:37,362
Does this mean they're coming?
989
00:53:37,362 --> 00:53:39,445
Yes!
990
00:53:39,445 --> 00:53:42,904
Melissa Mathison: He had to be a bit
of a father, a bit of a pal,
991
00:53:42,904 --> 00:53:46,904
but he was, more than anything,
an observer of them,
992
00:53:46,904 --> 00:53:48,821
and I think that was
a lot of fun for him.
993
00:53:48,821 --> 00:53:51,237
- All of the kids were fun for him.
- You gotta take me seriously.
994
00:53:51,237 --> 00:53:54,278
- This is Halloween, folks. Hello, my love.
- Hi, Granny.
995
00:53:54,278 --> 00:53:57,237
Wait a sec.
Drew, this is for you, my darling.
996
00:53:57,237 --> 00:54:01,445
- Your apple.
- I wanted to shoot "E.T." in continuity.
997
00:54:01,445 --> 00:54:04,529
It gives the kids a context for the work
they're doing that day,
998
00:54:04,529 --> 00:54:07,821
'cause they know that tomorrow will be
tomorrow in the script
999
00:54:07,821 --> 00:54:10,487
and yesterday was
yesterday in the script.
1000
00:54:10,487 --> 00:54:12,237
So, for young kids,
1001
00:54:12,237 --> 00:54:15,654
it gives them a real confidence
that they're living a life
1002
00:54:15,654 --> 00:54:17,695
and they're living a story's life.
1003
00:54:17,695 --> 00:54:20,195
Now they put the machine on his chest,
1004
00:54:20,195 --> 00:54:23,529
and they're gonna give him
a shock to try to make him come back.
1005
00:54:23,529 --> 00:54:25,779
And when they give him the shock,
1006
00:54:25,779 --> 00:54:29,612
it's very loud and it makes you jump
and cry even more.
1007
00:54:29,612 --> 00:54:31,320
They're putting it on his chest now,
1008
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:34,654
and he presses the button,
and it goes, "Pow!"
1009
00:54:34,654 --> 00:54:36,612
Are you okay, honey?
1010
00:54:36,612 --> 00:54:38,946
Huh? Are you okay?
1011
00:54:38,946 --> 00:54:41,862
Let's see.
Wipe your doll's face, too.
1012
00:54:41,862 --> 00:54:44,195
Thank you.
Thank you.
1013
00:54:44,195 --> 00:54:46,946
Okay. Oh.
1014
00:54:46,946 --> 00:54:51,445
For many years I wondered about
the universal appeal of this movie,
1015
00:54:51,445 --> 00:54:53,779
and one day, it hit me.
1016
00:54:53,779 --> 00:54:56,445
There are no two humans on Earth
1017
00:54:56,445 --> 00:54:58,695
that are farther apart
1018
00:54:58,695 --> 00:55:02,029
than those humans
and that alien creature.
1019
00:55:02,029 --> 00:55:03,529
Come.
1020
00:55:07,737 --> 00:55:09,320
Stay.
1021
00:55:12,112 --> 00:55:14,278
And if Elliott,
1022
00:55:14,278 --> 00:55:16,862
and the mother, and the little girl,
1023
00:55:16,862 --> 00:55:22,904
and the scientist,
could all love and empathize
1024
00:55:22,904 --> 00:55:25,320
and make a rapprochement
1025
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,487
and a rapport with this creature,
1026
00:55:28,487 --> 00:55:32,029
so, too, can any two humans on Earth,
1027
00:55:32,029 --> 00:55:36,946
and I think that was a subtext that
bubbled up through the film
1028
00:55:36,946 --> 00:55:38,737
and must have touched something,
1029
00:55:38,737 --> 00:55:40,737
because you don't get many films
1030
00:55:40,737 --> 00:55:43,946
that are universally
loved and appreciated
1031
00:55:43,946 --> 00:55:45,779
40 years later.
1032
00:55:46,946 --> 00:55:49,112
And it spoke to something.
1033
00:55:49,112 --> 00:55:52,946
Some desire to be able
to reach across boundaries
1034
00:55:52,946 --> 00:55:54,904
and touch other people.
1035
00:55:56,821 --> 00:56:02,445
I'll be right here.
1036
00:56:12,112 --> 00:56:14,862
Bye.
1037
00:56:14,862 --> 00:56:17,779
Leonardo DiCaprio: It's a very difficult
balance as a director
1038
00:56:17,779 --> 00:56:21,904
to push a young child
to do a dramatic sequence,
1039
00:56:21,904 --> 00:56:25,487
because you're obviously
manipulating them to some capacity.
1040
00:56:28,904 --> 00:56:32,237
But Steven knew
how to take them as a director
1041
00:56:32,237 --> 00:56:35,362
into some of these darker places
1042
00:56:35,362 --> 00:56:38,403
while handling them with kid gloves.
1043
00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:50,153
A.O. Scott: The children
in Spielberg's world
1044
00:56:50,153 --> 00:56:52,362
may be vulnerable,
may be unhappy,
1045
00:56:52,362 --> 00:56:55,487
but they're also very--
they're very powerful
1046
00:56:55,487 --> 00:56:56,987
and they're heroic.
1047
00:57:02,695 --> 00:57:04,737
I think all of my movies
that have dealt
1048
00:57:04,737 --> 00:57:06,445
with young people and their stories
1049
00:57:06,445 --> 00:57:09,862
are about the importance
of empowering these children
1050
00:57:09,862 --> 00:57:12,112
to take control of the story,
1051
00:57:12,112 --> 00:57:13,821
at least take control of their lives.
1052
00:57:19,029 --> 00:57:22,237
Kathleen Kennedy: Steven intuitively
looks at the world
1053
00:57:22,237 --> 00:57:24,362
through a lens of innocence,
1054
00:57:24,362 --> 00:57:26,904
and children do that naturally.
1055
00:57:26,904 --> 00:57:30,362
So, it became the kind of go-to lens
1056
00:57:30,362 --> 00:57:33,987
that he wanted to use
for his storytelling.
1057
00:57:33,987 --> 00:57:36,153
George Negus: One of the most interesting
things that I've read about you
1058
00:57:36,153 --> 00:57:39,029
was a headline which said,
"Steven Spielberg is making
1059
00:57:39,029 --> 00:57:42,987
movies and a fortune
while he's still growing up.
1060
00:57:42,987 --> 00:57:44,695
He's really just a big kid."
1061
00:57:44,695 --> 00:57:47,112
Is that how you see yourself?
Is that a reasonable comment?
1062
00:57:47,112 --> 00:57:48,343
I think it's reasonable.
1063
00:57:48,344 --> 00:57:51,062
You have to understand--
how do you define a big kid?
1064
00:57:51,112 --> 00:57:54,029
A responsible big kid,
or just an irresponsible big kid?
1065
00:57:54,029 --> 00:57:56,695
Because I think
you have to be responsible,
1066
00:57:56,695 --> 00:57:59,153
but you don't want
to lose the child in you,
1067
00:57:59,153 --> 00:58:01,112
because that's what keeps you young,
1068
00:58:01,112 --> 00:58:03,153
and that's what keeps you in touch,
1069
00:58:03,153 --> 00:58:06,071
and keeps a smile on your face.
1070
00:58:06,071 --> 00:58:07,862
I don't quite know
1071
00:58:07,862 --> 00:58:10,487
what it would be like
to become an adult.
1072
00:58:12,737 --> 00:58:14,445
- Oh...
- My...
1073
00:58:14,445 --> 00:58:15,403
God!
1074
00:58:19,029 --> 00:58:20,821
I was feeling my oats
1075
00:58:20,821 --> 00:58:23,071
after both "Jaws"
and "Close Encounters."
1076
00:58:23,071 --> 00:58:25,904
And so I thought, "I can do a comedy."
Why not?
1077
00:58:25,904 --> 00:58:29,071
If I did those two movies,
why can't I do anything?
1078
00:58:29,071 --> 00:58:30,487
And I have a sense of humor.
1079
00:58:30,487 --> 00:58:32,487
I go to movies and I laugh
when they're funny.
1080
00:58:32,487 --> 00:58:34,529
Why not tackle a comedy?
1081
00:58:34,529 --> 00:58:37,570
I felt pretty invulnerable
at that time.
1082
00:58:37,570 --> 00:58:39,362
I can assure you
1083
00:58:39,362 --> 00:58:42,112
there will be no bombs dropped here.
1084
00:58:42,112 --> 00:58:43,862
Bob Zemeckis and Bob Gale
wrote the script,
1085
00:58:43,862 --> 00:58:45,278
and it was lean and mean.
1086
00:58:45,278 --> 00:58:47,237
I'm the one that stretched the humor
1087
00:58:47,237 --> 00:58:50,904
and the budget to its breaking point.
1088
00:58:50,904 --> 00:58:54,779
To me, it was an excuse
to just blow a bunch of shit up
1089
00:58:54,779 --> 00:58:57,987
and try to get an audience to laugh.
1090
00:58:57,987 --> 00:59:01,695
But it was like I committed
a war crime by making "1941."
1091
00:59:01,695 --> 00:59:03,904
Everyone was eviscerating it.
1092
00:59:03,904 --> 00:59:06,946
I was really devastated.
1093
00:59:06,946 --> 00:59:10,821
Just that feeling of failure,
that cold emptiness,
1094
00:59:10,821 --> 00:59:12,779
where every reminder of the movie,
1095
00:59:12,779 --> 00:59:14,946
you get that sick feeling
in the center of your stomach,
1096
00:59:14,946 --> 00:59:18,278
and you just want to go dig a hole
and stick your head in it.
1097
00:59:18,278 --> 00:59:22,278
I mean, for the next year,
I put my head in a lot of holes.
1098
00:59:22,278 --> 00:59:25,445
And my friend George Lucas
came to the rescue.
1099
00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:37,153
George said, "What are you doing next?"
1100
00:59:37,153 --> 00:59:40,362
And Steven said that he really wanted
to do a James Bond film.
1101
00:59:40,362 --> 00:59:42,862
And George said, "I have something
much better than James Bond."
1102
00:59:42,862 --> 00:59:44,570
It's about an archeologist
1103
00:59:44,570 --> 00:59:46,695
and he goes hunting
for supernatural artifacts.
1104
00:59:46,695 --> 00:59:48,779
And Steven said, "I love it.
1105
00:59:48,779 --> 00:59:50,362
Let's do it."
1106
00:59:50,362 --> 00:59:53,487
He's not a stock, standard hero.
1107
00:59:53,487 --> 00:59:55,654
He's not one of these "just add water"
1108
00:59:55,654 --> 00:59:57,987
and he'll grow into the hero
of your dreams.
1109
00:59:57,987 --> 01:00:00,029
There's a human being under all of that.
1110
01:00:00,029 --> 01:00:03,237
That's what made Indiana Jones
accessible to audiences.
1111
01:00:03,237 --> 01:00:06,612
- I think they're trying to kill us.
- I know, Dad!
1112
01:00:06,612 --> 01:00:09,029
Well, it's a new experience for me.
1113
01:00:09,029 --> 01:00:11,821
Happens to me all the time.
1114
01:00:27,737 --> 01:00:31,029
It's an action-adventure movie where
every reel is a cliffhanger.
1115
01:00:31,029 --> 01:00:34,029
Just pure escapist entertainment.
1116
01:00:36,237 --> 01:00:38,862
It was gonna be an all-out "B" movie,
1117
01:00:38,862 --> 01:00:42,529
and "B" movies are fun because they
don't take themselves that seriously.
1118
01:00:42,529 --> 01:00:44,029
You do them quick.
You do them dirty.
1119
01:00:44,029 --> 01:00:45,862
You cheat on everything you possibly can
1120
01:00:45,862 --> 01:00:47,445
to save as much money
as you possibly can,
1121
01:00:47,445 --> 01:00:49,071
and you don't worry about the fact
1122
01:00:49,071 --> 01:00:50,987
that it's not gonna be
"Lawrence of Arabia."
1123
01:01:01,654 --> 01:01:04,278
We took it to the studios,
and what I didn't realize
1124
01:01:04,278 --> 01:01:07,237
was that Steven didn't have
that great a reputation,
1125
01:01:07,237 --> 01:01:10,029
because he was always going
over budget and over schedule.
1126
01:01:10,029 --> 01:01:13,029
So, every studio said no.
1127
01:01:13,029 --> 01:01:15,737
And some of them even said, "You know,
if you can get a different director,
1128
01:01:15,737 --> 01:01:19,529
we'll do it, but Steven can't make
that film for $20 million."
1129
01:01:19,529 --> 01:01:23,071
So, Steven said, "I promise you,
I will not betray you.
1130
01:01:23,071 --> 01:01:25,487
If it's $20 million,
we will make it for $20 million."
1131
01:01:25,487 --> 01:01:28,071
My experience on three cost overruns,
1132
01:01:28,071 --> 01:01:29,737
"Jaws," "Close Encounters," "'41,"
1133
01:01:29,737 --> 01:01:31,529
taught me how to be more economical
1134
01:01:31,529 --> 01:01:34,112
and benefited "Raiders" immeasurably.
1135
01:01:34,112 --> 01:01:37,278
He had something to prove, but he also
didn't wanna let me down, his friend.
1136
01:01:37,278 --> 01:01:40,529
You know, it's like,
it wasn't a studio, it was us.
1137
01:01:40,529 --> 01:01:43,862
Friday night. If we don't get this,
we don't get the shot.
1138
01:01:43,862 --> 01:01:46,904
If we don't get the shot,
we don't get the movie.
1139
01:01:46,904 --> 01:01:49,821
If they don't get the movie,
we're all up the creek.
1140
01:01:49,821 --> 01:01:51,612
George said, "Look, if you direct this,
1141
01:01:51,612 --> 01:01:53,320
you have to shake my hand
right now and promise
1142
01:01:53,320 --> 01:01:55,946
if it's a big hit,
you gotta direct two more."
1143
01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:58,112
And it was a great collaboration.
1144
01:01:58,112 --> 01:01:59,695
Dad!
1145
01:01:59,695 --> 01:02:01,071
- What? What?
- Dad!
1146
01:02:01,071 --> 01:02:02,320
- Dad!
- What?
1147
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:04,487
- Head for the fireplace.
- Oh.
1148
01:02:04,487 --> 01:02:08,278
Harrison Ford: The "Indiana Jones" movies
were always more about movies
1149
01:02:08,278 --> 01:02:10,112
than they were about anything else.
1150
01:02:10,112 --> 01:02:12,987
They followed certain film formulas,
1151
01:02:12,987 --> 01:02:15,946
which freed them to do silly stuff.
1152
01:02:24,153 --> 01:02:26,654
Tom Stoppard: There was something
which I simply adored
1153
01:02:26,654 --> 01:02:28,237
in "Indiana Jones."
1154
01:02:28,237 --> 01:02:30,362
When Harrison had fallen over a cliff
1155
01:02:30,362 --> 01:02:33,862
and his friends thought he was dead
and they were peering down,
1156
01:02:33,862 --> 01:02:36,445
and Harrison had come up
without his hat,
1157
01:02:36,445 --> 01:02:39,862
because he'd fallen over
a cliff, for heaven's sake,
1158
01:02:39,862 --> 01:02:44,320
and a mysterious breeze
blows the hat into frame.
1159
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:47,904
These movies are clearly
made for an audience.
1160
01:02:47,904 --> 01:02:49,946
They're made for the filmgoer.
1161
01:02:49,946 --> 01:02:52,987
They're meant for the pure joy
of entertainment.
1162
01:02:52,987 --> 01:02:56,112
Which doesn't mean that they can't be
emotionally involving,
1163
01:02:56,112 --> 01:02:59,570
which doesn't mean they can't be smart
from time to time.
1164
01:03:06,487 --> 01:03:11,320
But they have to be
satisfying entertainment.
1165
01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,570
And Steven and George have figured out
1166
01:03:13,570 --> 01:03:17,153
how to use the engine of filmmaking
1167
01:03:17,153 --> 01:03:19,529
to satisfy an audience in a way
1168
01:03:19,529 --> 01:03:23,029
not so many directors or producers have.
1169
01:03:25,029 --> 01:03:27,278
Hugh Downs: In the century-long history
of motion pictures,
1170
01:03:27,278 --> 01:03:29,821
there has been one director, just one,
1171
01:03:29,821 --> 01:03:33,195
whose movies have earned
a total of a billion dollars--
1172
01:03:33,195 --> 01:03:35,195
Steven Spielberg.
1173
01:03:35,195 --> 01:03:37,362
Walter Parkes: Steven is arguably
the most commercial director
1174
01:03:37,362 --> 01:03:39,112
in the history of motion pictures,
1175
01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:41,529
and I think it's because
he has a deep understanding
1176
01:03:41,529 --> 01:03:43,445
of how the language of cinema
1177
01:03:43,445 --> 01:03:45,904
elicits an emotional reaction
in an audience.
1178
01:03:45,904 --> 01:03:50,737
And there's no question that the idea of
making movies that became phenomenons
1179
01:03:50,737 --> 01:03:53,029
was extremely exciting for Steven.
1180
01:03:53,029 --> 01:03:54,987
But it brought a lot of mixed results.
1181
01:03:54,987 --> 01:03:56,529
There were people that hated him,
1182
01:03:56,529 --> 01:03:58,862
people that blamed him
for ruining the movies.
1183
01:03:58,862 --> 01:04:01,403
William Goldman had written specifically
1184
01:04:01,403 --> 01:04:03,071
that the blockbuster and Steven
1185
01:04:03,071 --> 01:04:05,403
and George Lucas
had destroyed Hollywood.
1186
01:04:05,403 --> 01:04:08,362
Some people saw Spielberg
as a repressive force,
1187
01:04:08,362 --> 01:04:12,029
that he was bringing in
a kind of empty escapism
1188
01:04:12,029 --> 01:04:14,821
that was going to take film
in another direction.
1189
01:04:14,821 --> 01:04:17,071
And certainly with
the marketing executives
1190
01:04:17,071 --> 01:04:19,529
who moved into the studios
1191
01:04:19,529 --> 01:04:21,737
in the late '70s and the early '80s,
1192
01:04:21,737 --> 01:04:25,153
it was clear that what they saw
were dollar signs.
1193
01:04:25,153 --> 01:04:27,320
But I wouldn't blame Spielberg for that.
1194
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:29,862
Go back to the first review
by Pauline Kael.
1195
01:04:29,862 --> 01:04:32,570
She said he was
a great popular entertainer,
1196
01:04:32,570 --> 01:04:36,029
that he had a feel for what audiences
wanted to see.
1197
01:04:36,029 --> 01:04:38,195
Why should anybody apologize for that?
1198
01:04:38,195 --> 01:04:39,654
Let me get you to react to something
1199
01:04:39,654 --> 01:04:41,946
that one of your peers said,
another director.
1200
01:04:41,946 --> 01:04:43,695
"Steven Spielberg can't be compared
1201
01:04:43,695 --> 01:04:46,403
with people like Mike Nichols
and Barry Levinson.
1202
01:04:46,403 --> 01:04:48,987
There is a place for mass entertainment,
1203
01:04:48,987 --> 01:04:50,862
but it shouldn't be confused
1204
01:04:50,862 --> 01:04:55,403
with art or quality,
award-winning filmmaking."
1205
01:04:55,403 --> 01:04:58,029
Sometimes I think
that statements like that
1206
01:04:58,029 --> 01:04:59,987
are pretentious in themselves,
1207
01:04:59,987 --> 01:05:02,570
because it sort of says that, you know,
1208
01:05:02,570 --> 01:05:06,237
art is serious and art can't be--
can't move you.
1209
01:05:06,237 --> 01:05:11,112
Art can't be on a bicycle with E.T.
and fly across the moon,
1210
01:05:11,112 --> 01:05:12,821
that that can't be art.
1211
01:05:12,821 --> 01:05:15,320
If you're making the kinds of movies
1212
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,779
that make the kinds of money
that his movies do,
1213
01:05:17,779 --> 01:05:20,278
and if you're making
franchise entertainment
1214
01:05:20,278 --> 01:05:22,946
or just something that
appeals to a lot of people
1215
01:05:22,946 --> 01:05:26,112
and is unapologetically
mainstream entertainment,
1216
01:05:26,112 --> 01:05:30,403
then there's a little bit of,
I think, suspicion.
1217
01:05:30,403 --> 01:05:33,987
You know, how can we take you seriously
as an artist?
1218
01:05:33,987 --> 01:05:36,821
Come on, girl,
'cause I'm waiting for you.
1219
01:05:42,071 --> 01:05:45,153
You cut me and I'll kill you.
1220
01:05:45,153 --> 01:05:49,403
I was looking for a different
perception of myself.
1221
01:05:49,403 --> 01:05:51,278
And if I didn't want to consciously
1222
01:05:51,278 --> 01:05:53,445
make a departure and prove something,
1223
01:05:53,445 --> 01:05:55,821
not just to myself but to everyone else,
1224
01:05:55,821 --> 01:05:58,695
I might not have chosen
"Color Purple" as my next movie.
1225
01:05:58,695 --> 01:06:01,112
But it was my first really mature film,
1226
01:06:01,112 --> 01:06:05,570
which took on, you know,
substantive, humanistic subject matter.
1227
01:06:05,570 --> 01:06:09,695
I was turning 40 and I was looking at
life perhaps less optimistically.
1228
01:06:09,695 --> 01:06:12,153
And so, I knew this was gonna be
a very sobering journey,
1229
01:06:12,153 --> 01:06:13,987
and I was willing to take it on.
1230
01:06:13,987 --> 01:06:17,029
All my life I had to fight.
1231
01:06:17,029 --> 01:06:21,029
I had to fight my daddy,
I had to fight my uncles,
1232
01:06:21,029 --> 01:06:23,612
I had to fight my brothers.
1233
01:06:23,612 --> 01:06:26,612
A girl child ain't safe
in a family of mens,
1234
01:06:26,612 --> 01:06:30,695
but I ain't never thought
I had to fight in my own house!
1235
01:06:32,153 --> 01:06:34,779
I loves Harpo.
1236
01:06:34,779 --> 01:06:37,821
God knows I do,
1237
01:06:37,821 --> 01:06:42,612
but I'll kill him dead
before I let him beat me.
1238
01:06:42,612 --> 01:06:45,821
Oprah Winfrey: For Steven to even
take on this material
1239
01:06:45,821 --> 01:06:47,737
was a really big deal,
1240
01:06:47,737 --> 01:06:49,737
because you're messing in some territory
1241
01:06:49,737 --> 01:06:52,821
where if you get it wrong,
then you get a lot of people upset.
1242
01:06:52,821 --> 01:06:56,695
He wanted to create not only
an African-American worldview,
1243
01:06:56,695 --> 01:06:59,654
but a matriarchal world
1244
01:06:59,654 --> 01:07:04,737
in the presence of patriarchal
repression and violence.
1245
01:07:04,737 --> 01:07:07,071
And I truly believe that he wanted
1246
01:07:07,071 --> 01:07:10,278
to stretch himself in a way
that he never had before.
1247
01:07:10,278 --> 01:07:12,612
And he does push himself,
1248
01:07:12,612 --> 01:07:15,570
but he's not gonna push
himself too far in advance--
1249
01:07:15,570 --> 01:07:18,862
the audience or maybe his own,
1250
01:07:18,862 --> 01:07:20,862
you know, core inclination.
1251
01:07:20,862 --> 01:07:22,946
He don't ever ask me how I feel.
1252
01:07:22,946 --> 01:07:26,445
Just never asked me nothing
about myself.
1253
01:07:26,445 --> 01:07:29,445
Just climb on top of me,
do his business.
1254
01:07:29,445 --> 01:07:32,487
"Do his business"?
Do his bu--
1255
01:07:32,487 --> 01:07:34,362
why, Miss Celie, you sound like
1256
01:07:34,362 --> 01:07:38,071
he going to the toilet on you.
1257
01:07:38,071 --> 01:07:39,862
That's what it feel like.
1258
01:07:39,862 --> 01:07:42,112
I got in trouble with several critics
1259
01:07:42,112 --> 01:07:44,320
who didn't like that I shied away
1260
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,695
from the love story
between Shug and Celie.
1261
01:07:46,695 --> 01:07:51,403
And the scene where Shug Avery
shows Celie, with a mirror, her vagina,
1262
01:07:51,403 --> 01:07:54,695
that that did not go into the movie,
1263
01:07:54,695 --> 01:07:56,612
which would've really changed
1264
01:07:56,612 --> 01:08:00,821
the entire nature and tone of the film.
1265
01:08:00,821 --> 01:08:04,445
I just didn't go for the full monty
the way the book did.
1266
01:08:04,445 --> 01:08:08,737
I might've done that had I made
the movie 10 years later.
1267
01:08:08,737 --> 01:08:11,529
I was just timid.
I was just a little embarrassed.
1268
01:08:11,529 --> 01:08:13,654
I just wasn't the right guy to do that.
1269
01:08:15,821 --> 01:08:19,362
Steven was telling
the story that Alice wrote,
1270
01:08:19,362 --> 01:08:22,487
and he was trying to access that
1271
01:08:22,487 --> 01:08:25,737
from his personal point of view.
1272
01:08:25,737 --> 01:08:29,862
He could never go where Alice went
with that book.
1273
01:08:43,654 --> 01:08:47,904
Maslin: That book was appreciated
for its grit and its realism,
1274
01:08:47,904 --> 01:08:51,987
and neither of those were qualities that
he was known for.
1275
01:08:51,987 --> 01:08:56,362
He was just asking for it
by even going anywhere near that.
1276
01:08:56,362 --> 01:08:58,862
Nobody really wanted Steven Spielberg
1277
01:08:58,862 --> 01:09:00,695
to be a gritty filmmaker.
1278
01:09:00,695 --> 01:09:02,529
That wasn't his sensibility.
1279
01:09:02,529 --> 01:09:05,612
But with "The Color Purple,"
colors are exact,
1280
01:09:05,612 --> 01:09:08,029
the settings have been built
from the ground up
1281
01:09:08,029 --> 01:09:10,112
according to his specifications.
1282
01:09:10,112 --> 01:09:15,987
There's something so false
and so Disney storyboard-like
1283
01:09:15,987 --> 01:09:17,904
about that movie.
1284
01:09:17,904 --> 01:09:20,195
You know, he wanted
to make a prettier picture
1285
01:09:20,195 --> 01:09:22,362
than was intended in the text.
1286
01:09:22,362 --> 01:09:23,570
That's Steven.
1287
01:09:23,570 --> 01:09:25,737
He wants to make everything like that.
1288
01:09:25,737 --> 01:09:27,904
He wants to make life like that.
1289
01:09:32,946 --> 01:09:34,403
I have a baby on the way,
1290
01:09:34,403 --> 01:09:37,071
and the child is going
to change my life.
1291
01:09:37,071 --> 01:09:40,237
- It already has, in a way.
- Are you nervous about it or what?
1292
01:09:40,237 --> 01:09:41,821
I'm not nervous about it at all, no.
1293
01:09:41,821 --> 01:09:43,654
I just think it's the best thing
1294
01:09:43,654 --> 01:09:46,362
that's ever happened to me and to Amy.
1295
01:09:46,362 --> 01:09:48,071
We really can't wait for this.
1296
01:09:51,487 --> 01:09:53,737
I think the destiny of Amy and I
1297
01:09:53,737 --> 01:09:55,821
was to bring Max into the world,
1298
01:09:55,821 --> 01:09:59,612
which was such a beautiful thing.
1299
01:09:59,612 --> 01:10:03,946
Before that, I'm not sure I knew
what a personal life was.
1300
01:10:03,946 --> 01:10:06,779
I thought life began
1301
01:10:06,779 --> 01:10:10,278
with, you know, "Action!"
1302
01:10:10,278 --> 01:10:11,445
And then, "Cut!"
1303
01:10:13,403 --> 01:10:15,195
After my mom and dad broke up,
1304
01:10:15,195 --> 01:10:17,403
I always thought that I would do my best
1305
01:10:17,403 --> 01:10:19,570
that if I ever decided
someday to get married,
1306
01:10:19,570 --> 01:10:21,071
I wouldn't get divorced.
1307
01:10:21,071 --> 01:10:22,612
And then, of course, I did.
1308
01:10:27,821 --> 01:10:31,237
Divorce in any situation is painful.
1309
01:10:31,237 --> 01:10:34,195
And it's especially painful for me
1310
01:10:34,195 --> 01:10:37,612
because I am a child of divorce
1311
01:10:37,612 --> 01:10:39,278
and I know what it felt like.
1312
01:10:39,278 --> 01:10:42,487
And so, you know,
I felt terrible for Max,
1313
01:10:42,487 --> 01:10:45,029
that he had to endure that.
1314
01:10:50,403 --> 01:10:53,987
- Jamie: My plane.
- Jamie! Jamie!
1315
01:10:57,821 --> 01:10:58,987
Mom?
1316
01:11:01,112 --> 01:11:02,987
- Mom?
- Frank Marshall: "Empire of the Sun"
1317
01:11:02,987 --> 01:11:05,654
was about this young boy
growing up in Shanghai
1318
01:11:05,654 --> 01:11:07,654
who gets separated
from his parents
1319
01:11:07,654 --> 01:11:09,821
during the Japanese invasion.
1320
01:11:09,821 --> 01:11:11,403
Mommy!
1321
01:11:11,403 --> 01:11:13,570
- Jamie!
- Mommy!
1322
01:11:13,570 --> 01:11:16,862
And he goes through
a tremendous transformation
1323
01:11:16,862 --> 01:11:20,320
and growing-up process.
1324
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:22,821
It was playing on what I knew
were my strengths,
1325
01:11:22,821 --> 01:11:26,403
being able to take the dark,
grim reality of war
1326
01:11:26,403 --> 01:11:28,570
and put it with a child's approach
1327
01:11:28,570 --> 01:11:31,821
in the way this particular special child
saw that war.
1328
01:11:40,237 --> 01:11:41,946
It was based on the experiences
1329
01:11:41,946 --> 01:11:43,320
that J.G. Ballard had
1330
01:11:43,320 --> 01:11:45,862
in a Japanese internment camp.
1331
01:11:49,029 --> 01:11:51,862
Jim was a lost boy trying to figure out
1332
01:11:51,862 --> 01:11:53,862
where he belongs in this world.
1333
01:11:56,029 --> 01:11:58,445
It's a movie about
growing up too quickly
1334
01:11:58,445 --> 01:12:01,278
and abandoning everything
that you once used
1335
01:12:01,278 --> 01:12:02,904
to keep yourself safe.
1336
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:09,320
When you have nothing
to keep yourself safe,
1337
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,403
you become a survivor like all the rest,
1338
01:12:11,403 --> 01:12:13,278
and you grow up awfully quickly.
1339
01:12:14,946 --> 01:12:16,654
Christian Bale: It's an extraordinary story
1340
01:12:16,654 --> 01:12:19,071
of the resilience of children,
1341
01:12:19,071 --> 01:12:21,112
this incredible survivor
1342
01:12:21,112 --> 01:12:23,821
who manages to have
more fortitude to him
1343
01:12:23,821 --> 01:12:27,779
than, really, any of the adults
around him.
1344
01:12:32,821 --> 01:12:36,695
It's in the great tradition
of epic filmmaking.
1345
01:12:36,695 --> 01:12:40,362
That sports stadium
at the end when all the goods,
1346
01:12:40,362 --> 01:12:42,570
all the stuff that had been stolen
is there,
1347
01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:45,278
the surrealism of that
1348
01:12:45,278 --> 01:12:50,278
and what it makes you feel
at that time and place,
1349
01:12:50,278 --> 01:12:51,654
the sense of what
the world was like,
1350
01:12:51,654 --> 01:12:55,153
how it had fallen apart,
all of civilization.
1351
01:13:11,695 --> 01:13:16,237
And then, something even
more disturbingly beautiful,
1352
01:13:16,237 --> 01:13:19,320
and that is the glow
from the atom bomb.
1353
01:13:24,195 --> 01:13:27,654
It's like a soul transcending
into another life.
1354
01:13:29,071 --> 01:13:31,737
Mrs. Victor.
1355
01:13:31,737 --> 01:13:37,195
This is very poetic and... mystical.
1356
01:13:47,654 --> 01:13:49,320
This was war
1357
01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:53,570
and it was death and real horror.
1358
01:13:53,570 --> 01:13:55,987
And it was like an end of innocence
1359
01:13:55,987 --> 01:13:58,320
for the Spielberg child.
1360
01:14:00,612 --> 01:14:03,153
I think it was a truly great film,
1361
01:14:03,153 --> 01:14:05,487
but, for me, it ultimately shaded
1362
01:14:05,487 --> 01:14:10,737
into an unnecessary softness
or sentimentality.
1363
01:14:10,737 --> 01:14:12,612
I don't know where it comes from,
1364
01:14:12,612 --> 01:14:15,612
but he likes and enjoys sentiment.
1365
01:14:15,612 --> 01:14:17,029
It's part of him.
1366
01:14:26,654 --> 01:14:29,195
At the time, he was not
dismissed, exactly,
1367
01:14:29,195 --> 01:14:31,821
by a lot of critics, but sort of looked
at a little skeptically.
1368
01:14:31,821 --> 01:14:33,195
"Oh, he wants to be serious now.
1369
01:14:33,195 --> 01:14:34,862
Oh, he's trying to make serious movies.
1370
01:14:34,862 --> 01:14:37,153
Oh, now he wants it"--
which, I mean--
1371
01:14:37,153 --> 01:14:40,737
it's such a kind of nasty thing
1372
01:14:40,737 --> 01:14:42,362
to say about any artist.
1373
01:14:42,362 --> 01:14:44,779
It definitely hurt his feelings.
1374
01:14:44,779 --> 01:14:46,403
I don't think anybody as an artist
1375
01:14:46,403 --> 01:14:49,029
wants to feel like
they're being pigeonholed
1376
01:14:49,029 --> 01:14:52,904
in a way that other people
are determining who they are.
1377
01:14:52,904 --> 01:14:55,320
And when Steven began to explore
1378
01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:57,779
other kinds of more serious stories,
1379
01:14:57,779 --> 01:15:00,654
they were very reluctant
to let him do that.
1380
01:15:00,654 --> 01:15:03,195
That was like, "How dare you,
Steven Spielberg?
1381
01:15:03,195 --> 01:15:05,737
We've determined that you make
these kind of movies,
1382
01:15:05,737 --> 01:15:08,779
so why are you suddenly
trying to make this?"
1383
01:15:08,779 --> 01:15:10,946
He doesn't over-intellectualize,
1384
01:15:10,946 --> 01:15:15,071
but maybe as a filmmaker,
Steven was using those movies
1385
01:15:15,071 --> 01:15:17,612
as stepping stones along the way.
1386
01:15:17,612 --> 01:15:20,153
He didn't know where he was headed,
1387
01:15:20,153 --> 01:15:23,570
but I think he was exercising
those muscles, in a way,
1388
01:15:23,570 --> 01:15:26,362
to recognize he could go there,
1389
01:15:26,362 --> 01:15:28,362
that it was okay.
1390
01:15:40,946 --> 01:15:43,821
My very first memory--
I was in a stroller.
1391
01:15:43,821 --> 01:15:45,529
I just remember being wheeled somewhere,
1392
01:15:45,529 --> 01:15:49,029
and my grandmother
and grandfather were with me.
1393
01:15:51,612 --> 01:15:55,112
We went into this underground space.
1394
01:15:55,112 --> 01:15:58,654
There was a red light
over a set of doors.
1395
01:16:01,654 --> 01:16:03,529
And I just remember
getting closer and closer
1396
01:16:03,529 --> 01:16:06,237
to this red light
where all these old men--
1397
01:16:06,237 --> 01:16:10,987
just men were all chanting something.
1398
01:16:10,987 --> 01:16:14,029
And the red light was the Eternal Light,
the Ner Tamid,
1399
01:16:14,029 --> 01:16:16,862
and that's my very first memory.
1400
01:16:19,695 --> 01:16:22,904
- Do you believe in God?
- Yes.
1401
01:16:22,904 --> 01:16:24,987
Tell me about that.
Where where does...?
1402
01:16:24,987 --> 01:16:27,362
It comes from my--
1403
01:16:27,362 --> 01:16:31,029
you know, my spiritual--
not even spiritual,
1404
01:16:31,029 --> 01:16:33,946
my religious roots and family.
1405
01:16:37,195 --> 01:16:40,904
All my grandparents had
a very strong influence over me.
1406
01:16:40,904 --> 01:16:43,278
My grandfather, Fievel, played guitar
1407
01:16:43,278 --> 01:16:45,570
and he sang all Yiddish Russian songs.
1408
01:16:45,570 --> 01:16:47,487
And my grandmother, Jennie,
1409
01:16:47,487 --> 01:16:50,445
taught English to Hungarian
Holocaust survivors.
1410
01:16:54,821 --> 01:16:57,904
We were Orthodox.
I was raised Orthodox.
1411
01:16:57,904 --> 01:17:00,987
And tradition has been
a huge part of my family,
1412
01:17:00,987 --> 01:17:02,946
and religious studies,
and Hebrew school,
1413
01:17:02,946 --> 01:17:07,153
and bar mitzvahs, and bat mitzvahs
for my sisters.
1414
01:17:07,153 --> 01:17:10,195
But we always lived in neighborhoods
where there were no Jews.
1415
01:17:10,195 --> 01:17:13,904
And there was a real cultural divide
in those days
1416
01:17:13,904 --> 01:17:16,153
between Jewish people and Gentiles,
1417
01:17:16,153 --> 01:17:18,320
a real cultural divide.
1418
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:19,946
I remember that at one point,
1419
01:17:19,946 --> 01:17:23,529
kids were standing outside and chanting
1420
01:17:23,529 --> 01:17:25,946
"the Spielbergs are dirty Jews."
1421
01:17:25,946 --> 01:17:29,237
I certainly experienced being excluded
1422
01:17:29,237 --> 01:17:32,362
and being picked on
and discriminated against.
1423
01:17:32,362 --> 01:17:34,195
All I wanted to do was fit in.
1424
01:17:34,195 --> 01:17:37,862
And by being Jewish, there was no way
I could fit into anything.
1425
01:17:37,862 --> 01:17:40,529
My grandfather would come over
to spend a week with us,
1426
01:17:40,529 --> 01:17:43,237
and I'd be playing in the front yard
seven houses down,
1427
01:17:43,237 --> 01:17:45,071
and my grandfather
would stand on our front porch
1428
01:17:45,071 --> 01:17:47,278
and yell my Hebrew name, "Shmuel!"
1429
01:17:47,278 --> 01:17:49,320
As loud as he could, "Shmuel!"
1430
01:17:49,320 --> 01:17:50,981
And all my friends would say,
1431
01:17:50,982 --> 01:17:53,389
"Is he talking to you?
That's your house."
1432
01:17:53,445 --> 01:17:56,112
And I immediately denied
that that was me.
1433
01:17:56,112 --> 01:17:58,946
"No, he must be calling
somebody else."
1434
01:17:58,946 --> 01:18:00,779
"Is your name Shmuel?"
1435
01:18:00,779 --> 01:18:02,320
And all my friends started laughing.
1436
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,029
"Shmuel? What's Shmuel?"
1437
01:18:04,029 --> 01:18:05,320
And meanwhile, in the background,
1438
01:18:05,320 --> 01:18:07,112
you can hear my grandfather yelling
1439
01:18:07,112 --> 01:18:09,445
with a Russian accent, "Shmuel!"
1440
01:18:09,445 --> 01:18:11,320
Steve did not want to be Jewish.
1441
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,362
He didn't want to be Jewish
because it made us
1442
01:18:13,362 --> 01:18:15,071
too different from everybody.
1443
01:18:15,071 --> 01:18:17,821
And the "Father Knows Best" family
1444
01:18:17,821 --> 01:18:20,029
is an assimilated family.
1445
01:18:20,029 --> 01:18:22,654
And I think he really yearned for that.
1446
01:18:22,654 --> 01:18:27,445
I began to deny my Jewishness,
1447
01:18:27,445 --> 01:18:29,570
you know, began to deny
1448
01:18:29,570 --> 01:18:32,278
everything that I had
accepted as a child
1449
01:18:32,278 --> 01:18:33,821
and was not willing to accept
1450
01:18:33,821 --> 01:18:36,278
if it was going to make me a pariah.
1451
01:18:36,278 --> 01:18:38,029
I was ashamed of myself.
1452
01:18:38,029 --> 01:18:41,237
I still feel ashamed of myself
1453
01:18:41,237 --> 01:18:45,946
even remembering
that long stretch of my life
1454
01:18:45,946 --> 01:18:49,445
where I didn't want
to be Jewish anymore.
1455
01:18:53,445 --> 01:18:55,403
When I first met Kate,
1456
01:18:55,403 --> 01:18:57,779
something that only happens
in the movies
1457
01:18:57,779 --> 01:18:59,071
happened to me.
1458
01:18:59,071 --> 01:19:04,153
It's a terrible cliché,
but bells began ringing.
1459
01:19:04,153 --> 01:19:07,153
It was love at first sight.
It really was.
1460
01:19:07,153 --> 01:19:08,821
There was something that was
1461
01:19:08,821 --> 01:19:11,403
so both self-assured about Katie
1462
01:19:11,403 --> 01:19:13,737
and reassuring for me.
1463
01:19:13,737 --> 01:19:16,487
There was a kind of in-syncness.
1464
01:19:16,487 --> 01:19:18,570
We could talk about anything,
1465
01:19:18,570 --> 01:19:20,821
and I couldn't get her off my mind.
1466
01:19:30,320 --> 01:19:33,362
Kate came into my world, in my life,
1467
01:19:33,362 --> 01:19:35,654
with a deep fascination
with the traditions
1468
01:19:35,654 --> 01:19:38,029
and the depth of the history of Judaism.
1469
01:19:38,029 --> 01:19:40,654
And she really wanted
to marry me as a Jew.
1470
01:19:40,654 --> 01:19:43,904
So, she converted to Judaism
just before we got married.
1471
01:19:43,904 --> 01:19:46,362
Sue: She said she always felt like
she was coming home.
1472
01:19:46,362 --> 01:19:48,862
She always felt this was
where she was meant to be.
1473
01:19:48,862 --> 01:19:51,570
And so, as she studied Judaism
and got into it,
1474
01:19:51,570 --> 01:19:54,737
it brought Steve back around
to appreciating it.
1475
01:19:54,737 --> 01:19:56,779
Kate brought something to Steven
1476
01:19:56,779 --> 01:20:00,029
that I don't think Steven believed
he could ever have.
1477
01:20:00,029 --> 01:20:03,821
She is so dedicated
to the idea of family
1478
01:20:03,821 --> 01:20:07,071
in its, you know, purest essence
1479
01:20:07,071 --> 01:20:09,946
that not only did it bring him,
1480
01:20:09,946 --> 01:20:12,695
I think, a happiness
he never thought he'd have,
1481
01:20:12,695 --> 01:20:15,362
but I suspect it contributed
1482
01:20:15,362 --> 01:20:17,487
to his growth as an artist.
1483
01:20:29,403 --> 01:20:31,779
In 1982, Sid Sheinberg gave me the book
1484
01:20:31,779 --> 01:20:33,695
of "Schindler's List" to read.
1485
01:20:33,695 --> 01:20:36,445
He felt it was my destiny
to make this movie.
1486
01:20:36,445 --> 01:20:38,237
He was tenacious
about getting me
1487
01:20:38,237 --> 01:20:40,862
to pay attention to it,
not to give up on it.
1488
01:20:40,862 --> 01:20:44,654
I think he was intimidated
1489
01:20:44,654 --> 01:20:47,904
by the thought of making it.
1490
01:20:47,904 --> 01:20:50,570
He had the book for over 10 years
1491
01:20:50,570 --> 01:20:52,737
before he was ready to do it.
1492
01:20:52,737 --> 01:20:55,112
And he just said,
"I'll know when it's time."
1493
01:20:55,112 --> 01:20:56,529
You know, if anybody
pushed him on it,
1494
01:20:56,529 --> 01:20:57,987
"I'll know when it's time."
1495
01:20:59,695 --> 01:21:01,237
And then the time came.
1496
01:21:07,112 --> 01:21:11,987
Liam Neeson: On my first day, we were
outside the gates of Auschwitz.
1497
01:21:11,987 --> 01:21:16,112
5:30 in the morning,
bitterly, bitterly cold.
1498
01:21:16,112 --> 01:21:18,487
And hundreds of extras
1499
01:21:18,487 --> 01:21:21,612
dressed up in those
horrible striped pajamas
1500
01:21:21,612 --> 01:21:23,570
and German guards
1501
01:21:23,570 --> 01:21:27,278
and real Alsatian dogs,
real nasty dogs.
1502
01:21:31,487 --> 01:21:33,612
No! No!
1503
01:21:33,612 --> 01:21:36,529
Nothing could prepare me for
my first visit to Auschwitz.
1504
01:21:36,529 --> 01:21:38,112
Nothing prepared me for that.
1505
01:21:40,529 --> 01:21:43,278
I wanted to shoot where the story
actually took place,
1506
01:21:43,278 --> 01:21:46,612
all the actual locations,
1507
01:21:46,612 --> 01:21:48,612
but I realized at that point
when I went to Poland
1508
01:21:48,612 --> 01:21:51,237
for the first time
that I was playing with fire.
1509
01:21:51,237 --> 01:21:52,695
That's horrible.
1510
01:21:52,695 --> 01:21:55,278
He was like someone
whose skin had been torn off.
1511
01:21:55,278 --> 01:21:57,570
He was just so vulnerable,
1512
01:21:57,570 --> 01:21:59,904
pacing up and down all the time.
1513
01:21:59,904 --> 01:22:01,529
I could tell how important
1514
01:22:01,529 --> 01:22:04,403
this subject matter
and this film was to him.
1515
01:22:13,570 --> 01:22:17,570
He was telling a story
of his family, his tribe,
1516
01:22:17,570 --> 01:22:22,153
so I was aware of the weight
of the subject matter.
1517
01:22:22,153 --> 01:22:24,570
I said to the crew,
"This isn't a documentary,
1518
01:22:24,570 --> 01:22:28,403
but we are documenting things
that actually took place
1519
01:22:28,403 --> 01:22:30,362
in the place that
you're standing right now."
1520
01:22:30,362 --> 01:22:35,112
And I said also, you know,
"Those of us who are Jewish,
1521
01:22:35,112 --> 01:22:38,695
you know, would never have
been able to stand here,
1522
01:22:38,695 --> 01:22:41,821
you know, in 1943."
1523
01:22:45,862 --> 01:22:48,362
I knew this couldn't be
just another movie
1524
01:22:48,362 --> 01:22:52,153
and it couldn't be anything like
anything I had ever directed before.
1525
01:22:52,153 --> 01:22:53,779
I had to approach the material
1526
01:22:53,779 --> 01:22:55,862
and I had to approach the location
1527
01:22:55,862 --> 01:22:58,362
with a great deal of reverence,
1528
01:22:58,362 --> 01:23:03,362
and I had to make this
a very quiet, quiet production.
1529
01:23:03,362 --> 01:23:06,029
We were shooting
on hallowed, sacred ground.
1530
01:23:08,904 --> 01:23:10,487
Everywhere we shot in Kraków
1531
01:23:10,487 --> 01:23:12,737
felt like we were shooting
in a cemetery.
1532
01:23:12,737 --> 01:23:16,403
And it changed my entire approach
to cinema.
1533
01:23:16,403 --> 01:23:17,779
I-- that film looks different
1534
01:23:17,779 --> 01:23:20,071
than anything I had ever
done before that.
1535
01:23:20,071 --> 01:23:23,862
I tried to do it with no fancy tricks,
no fancy lenses,
1536
01:23:23,862 --> 01:23:26,237
no big Hollywood sweeping cranes.
1537
01:23:26,237 --> 01:23:28,320
I tried to take all the tools
1538
01:23:28,320 --> 01:23:30,654
with which I made so many of my films
1539
01:23:30,654 --> 01:23:32,529
and just chuck them out the window.
1540
01:23:32,529 --> 01:23:35,237
I never handheld anything,
but I wanted to handhold
1541
01:23:35,237 --> 01:23:37,195
as much of "Schindler's List"
as I possibly could.
1542
01:23:37,195 --> 01:23:39,695
I just wanted to create for all of us
1543
01:23:39,695 --> 01:23:43,237
the feeling that we were
absolutely there at the time.
1544
01:23:43,237 --> 01:23:45,237
Goodbye Jews!
1545
01:23:45,237 --> 01:23:48,403
Goodbye Jews!
Goodbye Jews!
1546
01:23:48,403 --> 01:23:51,570
I'm just wondering is the synagogue...
1547
01:23:51,570 --> 01:23:52,779
...a good background,
1548
01:23:52,779 --> 01:23:54,237
or is the park a good background,
1549
01:23:54,237 --> 01:23:56,445
because this is
kind of interesting here.
1550
01:23:56,445 --> 01:23:58,946
Ralph Fiennes: Steven said, "I feel like
I'm directing my first movie.
1551
01:23:58,946 --> 01:24:00,529
I'm not storyboarding anything."
1552
01:24:00,529 --> 01:24:01,946
And I think that gave him an adrenaline
1553
01:24:01,946 --> 01:24:03,487
or something that we all felt.
1554
01:24:03,487 --> 01:24:05,403
A fire, an alertness.
1555
01:24:05,403 --> 01:24:09,237
I've never felt the same level
of energy and focus.
1556
01:24:09,237 --> 01:24:11,779
He seems to breathe cinema.
1557
01:24:11,779 --> 01:24:14,529
I wouldn't say
he's an intellectual director.
1558
01:24:14,529 --> 01:24:17,821
I think he feels things
intuitively and emotionally.
1559
01:24:17,821 --> 01:24:19,278
...and coverage up like that.
1560
01:24:19,278 --> 01:24:21,946
He was kind of like an abstract painter
1561
01:24:21,946 --> 01:24:25,237
who has his canvass
1562
01:24:25,237 --> 01:24:28,779
and has a palette
of extraordinary colors
1563
01:24:28,779 --> 01:24:30,695
but just doesn't know what color
1564
01:24:30,695 --> 01:24:33,612
to put on that screen first.
1565
01:24:33,612 --> 01:24:36,029
But once he's committed
to that color,
1566
01:24:36,029 --> 01:24:38,987
he was just firing
on all cylinders.
1567
01:24:38,987 --> 01:24:41,612
And there was literally times
he was running,
1568
01:24:41,612 --> 01:24:43,362
physically running, with that camera
1569
01:24:43,362 --> 01:24:45,779
because a lot of the stuff,
he shot himself.
1570
01:24:45,779 --> 01:24:47,029
Handheld camera.
1571
01:24:47,029 --> 01:24:48,654
He'd be running up and down,
1572
01:24:48,654 --> 01:24:50,987
saying, "Come on, come with me, quick,"
1573
01:24:50,987 --> 01:24:52,904
as the idea was forming in his head.
1574
01:24:52,904 --> 01:24:55,403
And we'd all be running
after him, "What? What?"
1575
01:24:55,403 --> 01:24:58,029
He'd be inspired.
He saw something.
1576
01:25:10,195 --> 01:25:13,320
Sir Ben Kingsley: We were all struggling
with the incomprehensible
1577
01:25:13,320 --> 01:25:16,737
as characters and as actors.
1578
01:25:16,737 --> 01:25:20,612
But we put one foot in front of
the other in our mandate
1579
01:25:20,612 --> 01:25:23,821
to, as Elie Wiesel says, tell stories.
1580
01:25:26,362 --> 01:25:28,112
Kingsley: We took on the mantle
1581
01:25:28,112 --> 01:25:30,987
of actor-warriors, if you like.
1582
01:25:30,987 --> 01:25:34,904
Because if you soften
anything with sentiment,
1583
01:25:34,904 --> 01:25:38,112
you lessen the blow that
the audience have got to feel
1584
01:25:38,112 --> 01:25:39,862
and got to reel under.
1585
01:25:52,570 --> 01:25:55,029
In the liquidation of the ghetto scene,
1586
01:25:55,029 --> 01:25:56,695
I knew I had to serve the story.
1587
01:25:56,695 --> 01:26:00,112
I remembered my lines,
but I was in deep shock.
1588
01:26:00,112 --> 01:26:01,904
No acting.
1589
01:26:07,904 --> 01:26:10,403
The beautifully orchestrated chaos
1590
01:26:10,403 --> 01:26:12,904
was unrepeatable or unforgettable.
1591
01:26:20,362 --> 01:26:24,570
Oskar Schindler was a gregarious man.
1592
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:27,029
He was a second-rate businessman.
1593
01:26:27,029 --> 01:26:29,987
Bit of a shady character, you know?
1594
01:26:29,987 --> 01:26:34,612
A man about town, loved the women,
loved his booze.
1595
01:26:34,612 --> 01:26:38,237
A bon vivant, that's what he was.
1596
01:26:38,237 --> 01:26:40,237
And he did this extraordinary thing.
1597
01:26:40,237 --> 01:26:44,529
He saved over 1,100 Jewish lives.
1598
01:26:44,529 --> 01:26:47,570
There was something
indescribably mysterious
1599
01:26:47,570 --> 01:26:49,112
about this character.
1600
01:26:49,112 --> 01:26:51,779
It was impossible
to really understand
1601
01:26:51,779 --> 01:26:53,946
why he did what he did.
1602
01:26:53,946 --> 01:26:56,445
But we decided just to let the audience
1603
01:26:56,445 --> 01:26:59,278
work that out for themselves.
1604
01:26:59,278 --> 01:27:01,112
I was a smoker at the time.
1605
01:27:01,112 --> 01:27:03,654
Steve was not a smoker,
but in the close-ups,
1606
01:27:03,654 --> 01:27:05,487
he would start
to tell me how to smoke.
1607
01:27:05,487 --> 01:27:08,946
He'd say, "Okay,
you're looking at the table.
1608
01:27:08,946 --> 01:27:12,821
You see three of these
high-ranking Nazi guys.
1609
01:27:12,821 --> 01:27:14,612
Take a drag of your cigarette."
1610
01:27:14,612 --> 01:27:18,612
"No, no. Do it again.
1611
01:27:18,612 --> 01:27:21,071
Keep your fingers there.
Take a drag.
1612
01:27:21,071 --> 01:27:24,779
Let the smoke curl up your face.
1613
01:27:24,779 --> 01:27:27,612
Do it again.
1614
01:27:27,612 --> 01:27:29,987
Okay, now take your hand away
very, very slowly."
1615
01:27:29,987 --> 01:27:32,612
So, he was basically
telling me how to breathe.
1616
01:27:32,612 --> 01:27:34,904
I remember sharing it
with Ben Kingsley
1617
01:27:34,904 --> 01:27:36,779
later on that night
or the next day.
1618
01:27:36,779 --> 01:27:40,278
I said, "Ben, I just--
if every scene's gonna be like that,
1619
01:27:40,278 --> 01:27:42,570
I'm a fucking puppet, you know?
1620
01:27:42,570 --> 01:27:44,071
I don't want to be a puppet.
1621
01:27:44,071 --> 01:27:45,529
I'm 41 years of age."
1622
01:27:45,529 --> 01:27:47,362
And I remember Ben so well.
1623
01:27:47,362 --> 01:27:49,946
He said, "A great conductor...
1624
01:27:51,487 --> 01:27:54,529
needs a good soloist.
1625
01:27:54,529 --> 01:27:56,153
So just trust that.
1626
01:27:56,153 --> 01:27:57,654
Just go into his direction.
1627
01:27:57,654 --> 01:27:59,612
Don't fight against it.
Just go into it."
1628
01:27:59,612 --> 01:28:00,987
And that's what I did.
1629
01:28:00,987 --> 01:28:04,320
I just opened myself
for Steven, you know?
1630
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:05,779
My father was fond of saying,
1631
01:28:05,779 --> 01:28:07,987
"You need three things in life--
1632
01:28:07,987 --> 01:28:12,529
a good doctor,
a forgiving priest,
1633
01:28:12,529 --> 01:28:14,487
and a clever accountant."
1634
01:28:18,779 --> 01:28:20,821
The first two...
1635
01:28:20,821 --> 01:28:22,529
I've never had much use for.
1636
01:28:22,529 --> 01:28:26,445
But the third?
1637
01:28:26,445 --> 01:28:28,487
Itzhak Stern was the character
1638
01:28:28,487 --> 01:28:31,737
that I was closest to
in my understanding of him.
1639
01:28:31,737 --> 01:28:34,529
Just pretend, for Christ's sake.
1640
01:28:34,529 --> 01:28:38,029
And I said to Ben, "You're the conscience
of Oskar Schindler.
1641
01:28:38,029 --> 01:28:40,403
You're also my window
1642
01:28:40,403 --> 01:28:42,821
into my insight into Oskar Schindler."
1643
01:28:42,821 --> 01:28:44,737
I'm trying to thank you.
1644
01:28:46,737 --> 01:28:49,779
I'm saying I couldn't
have done this without you.
1645
01:28:49,779 --> 01:28:52,737
Anything I can glean
from Schindler himself,
1646
01:28:52,737 --> 01:28:55,403
I think a lot of it is gonna
come from how you look at him.
1647
01:28:58,654 --> 01:29:00,237
You're welcome.
1648
01:29:00,237 --> 01:29:01,904
There are very, very few directors
1649
01:29:01,904 --> 01:29:04,987
who respect stillness as much as Steven.
1650
01:29:04,987 --> 01:29:07,737
He's gonna catch every single gesture
1651
01:29:07,737 --> 01:29:11,029
you offer to the camera,
and he's going to use it.
1652
01:29:11,029 --> 01:29:16,153
His intuition for something real and
present is very, very strong.
1653
01:29:16,153 --> 01:29:19,320
He wanted to avoid clichés
about Nazis,
1654
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,779
and, in terms of performance,
I understood it on my first day.
1655
01:29:22,779 --> 01:29:26,195
You know, the thing about Amon having
a cough-- "Ahem, excuse me,"
1656
01:29:26,195 --> 01:29:29,779
and giving him sort of banal human
failings, touches like that.
1657
01:29:29,779 --> 01:29:31,821
Do you have any questions, sir?
1658
01:29:31,821 --> 01:29:35,695
Yeah, why is the top down?
I'm fucking freezing.
1659
01:29:35,695 --> 01:29:37,654
There were ways in which,
through performance and filming,
1660
01:29:37,654 --> 01:29:40,112
you can amp up
and signal "bad guy."
1661
01:29:40,112 --> 01:29:42,237
And I think he wanted,
quite rightly,
1662
01:29:42,237 --> 01:29:44,112
to say, "No, man doing job.
1663
01:29:44,112 --> 01:29:47,029
- You decide what you think."
- I have an idea.
1664
01:29:47,029 --> 01:29:48,946
How about just lighting their mouths,
nothing else?
1665
01:29:48,946 --> 01:29:51,112
I was just going-- you know--
1666
01:29:51,112 --> 01:29:53,695
no, him, I want to light
just from the top, you know,
1667
01:29:53,695 --> 01:29:55,862
so we get some shadows here,
just like...
1668
01:29:55,862 --> 01:29:59,029
Okay, I just want to make sure we're
not being too on the nose
1669
01:29:59,029 --> 01:30:02,737
with the-- you know,
the badness of the character
1670
01:30:02,737 --> 01:30:04,946
by having a straight-down light.
1671
01:30:04,946 --> 01:30:07,237
Everything we do in this medium is about
light and shadow,
1672
01:30:07,237 --> 01:30:10,153
how the cinematographer lights
the actors, lights the set.
1673
01:30:10,153 --> 01:30:11,987
If you look at "Schindler's List,"
1674
01:30:11,987 --> 01:30:14,487
Amon Goeth was always lit beautifully.
1675
01:30:14,487 --> 01:30:16,821
He always had
that beautiful front light.
1676
01:30:16,821 --> 01:30:18,362
You know, the guy was very clear.
1677
01:30:18,362 --> 01:30:19,779
There was no mystery in him.
1678
01:30:19,779 --> 01:30:21,487
You don't have to enhance his evilness,
1679
01:30:21,487 --> 01:30:23,654
if you may say, by lighting.
1680
01:30:23,654 --> 01:30:25,570
Now, if you look at Oskar Schindler,
1681
01:30:25,570 --> 01:30:27,153
that was a confused individual.
1682
01:30:27,153 --> 01:30:29,153
He came to Poland to make money,
1683
01:30:29,153 --> 01:30:32,278
so it's always glamorous,
but always shadowy.
1684
01:30:32,278 --> 01:30:35,654
And then as the movie's progressing,
he gets more frontal light.
1685
01:30:35,654 --> 01:30:36,987
The shadows disappear.
1686
01:30:36,987 --> 01:30:38,987
They say you are good.
1687
01:30:38,987 --> 01:30:41,695
Because he's learning who he is.
1688
01:31:04,445 --> 01:31:07,320
The little girl in red
actually happened.
1689
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:11,403
Schindler on horseback watching these
people being rounded up.
1690
01:31:13,487 --> 01:31:18,529
He did spot this little girl
in a red coat.
1691
01:31:18,529 --> 01:31:20,695
Of all the carnage that's happening,
1692
01:31:20,695 --> 01:31:22,821
he can't take his eyes
off this little girl
1693
01:31:22,821 --> 01:31:24,445
meandering down the street.
1694
01:31:24,445 --> 01:31:25,862
He couldn't take his eyes off of her
1695
01:31:25,862 --> 01:31:28,237
and wonder why is she not being taken
1696
01:31:28,237 --> 01:31:30,195
along with everybody else.
1697
01:31:30,195 --> 01:31:32,654
And, of course, the answer was,
"Well, she will be taken.
1698
01:31:32,654 --> 01:31:34,195
May not be in the next few minutes,
1699
01:31:34,195 --> 01:31:36,570
but she's not going to survive."
1700
01:31:43,071 --> 01:31:45,071
During the liquidation of the ghetto,
1701
01:31:45,071 --> 01:31:47,112
when they were taking people
and putting them in trucks
1702
01:31:47,112 --> 01:31:48,904
and shooting old people
in the streets,
1703
01:31:48,904 --> 01:31:50,862
they were leaving her alone.
1704
01:31:50,862 --> 01:31:53,403
Somehow, the most obvious target
1705
01:31:53,403 --> 01:31:55,071
was not being apprehended.
1706
01:31:55,071 --> 01:31:58,029
And, to me, it was less about
what turned Oskar Schindler,
1707
01:31:58,029 --> 01:32:01,737
and it was more that the world
turned a blind eye on the Holocaust
1708
01:32:01,737 --> 01:32:05,237
and the industrialized process
of wholesale murder.
1709
01:32:05,237 --> 01:32:07,071
Can you believe this?
1710
01:32:07,071 --> 01:32:10,654
As if I don't have enough to do,
they come up with this?
1711
01:32:10,654 --> 01:32:14,946
I have to find every rag
buried up here and burn it.
1712
01:32:14,946 --> 01:32:17,112
The party's over, Oskar.
1713
01:32:17,112 --> 01:32:19,570
They're closing us down,
sending everybody to Auschwitz.
1714
01:32:19,570 --> 01:32:20,779
- When?
- I don't know.
1715
01:32:20,779 --> 01:32:22,153
As soon as I can arrange the shipments.
1716
01:32:22,153 --> 01:32:26,195
Maybe 30, 40 days.
That ought to be fun.
1717
01:32:28,862 --> 01:32:30,403
So, that little girl in red,
1718
01:32:30,403 --> 01:32:32,821
for me, symbolizes the Holocaust
1719
01:32:32,821 --> 01:32:35,529
and all of its monstrous evil,
1720
01:32:35,529 --> 01:32:38,237
and no one did anything about it
when they could have.
1721
01:32:41,821 --> 01:32:46,112
Michael Kahn: I remember I put together
a scene, very hard, emotionally.
1722
01:32:46,112 --> 01:32:49,112
And Steven comes in that night.
1723
01:32:49,112 --> 01:32:52,612
We went out to where he was staying
1724
01:32:52,612 --> 01:32:54,695
and I start running the scene.
1725
01:32:54,695 --> 01:32:58,071
And he looks at it.
"Hold on, Mike. I can't do it."
1726
01:32:58,071 --> 01:33:01,112
He's like-- he went like,
"I can't do it.
1727
01:33:01,112 --> 01:33:03,654
It's too tough."
And he left.
1728
01:33:03,654 --> 01:33:06,071
I just remember getting home
and just falling apart.
1729
01:33:06,071 --> 01:33:08,570
And Kate was on the set
with me a lot.
1730
01:33:08,570 --> 01:33:11,029
We would cry together
many, many times.
1731
01:33:11,029 --> 01:33:13,987
She really kept me going
through that whole production.
1732
01:33:13,987 --> 01:33:17,112
We were four months in Kraków.
A long time.
1733
01:33:17,112 --> 01:33:20,529
It was, emotionally, the hardest movie
I've ever made.
1734
01:33:31,487 --> 01:33:33,987
Annette Insdorf: The film is not about
1735
01:33:33,987 --> 01:33:37,153
the Holocaust with a capital "H."
1736
01:33:37,153 --> 01:33:41,862
It is a particular window
into the past.
1737
01:33:50,862 --> 01:33:53,278
And here, a mainstream director
1738
01:33:53,278 --> 01:33:55,237
had crafted a motion picture
1739
01:33:55,237 --> 01:33:58,529
that would in fact
finally reach a large audience,
1740
01:33:58,529 --> 01:34:01,112
including people that simply may never
have known
1741
01:34:01,112 --> 01:34:03,821
the word "Auschwitz."
1742
01:34:10,862 --> 01:34:12,821
About three quarters
of the way through the shoot,
1743
01:34:12,821 --> 01:34:15,529
Steven had this idea
about the end of the film.
1744
01:34:15,529 --> 01:34:18,737
He wanted to fly us to Jerusalem.
1745
01:34:18,737 --> 01:34:21,445
We would shoot a scene
at Schindler's grave.
1746
01:34:21,445 --> 01:34:23,112
I needed there to be
1747
01:34:23,112 --> 01:34:26,403
some testimony built into the movie
1748
01:34:26,403 --> 01:34:29,695
that says this story actually happened.
1749
01:34:32,570 --> 01:34:34,403
Brave thing to do.
1750
01:34:34,403 --> 01:34:35,779
These are the real people.
1751
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:09,278
That was a pivotal moment
in Steven's life.
1752
01:35:09,278 --> 01:35:11,695
He recognized he couldn't take
1753
01:35:11,695 --> 01:35:13,487
any of the profits from the film.
1754
01:35:13,487 --> 01:35:15,529
He wanted to give something back,
1755
01:35:15,529 --> 01:35:18,445
so he started what became
the Shoah Foundation,
1756
01:35:18,445 --> 01:35:22,445
documenting that oral history
and capturing history
1757
01:35:22,445 --> 01:35:26,612
in a way that allowed people
not to forget.
1758
01:35:26,612 --> 01:35:31,445
The Shoah Foundation
is a way of trying to hear
1759
01:35:31,445 --> 01:35:34,987
the faintest echo
of the stories that we've lost.
1760
01:35:34,987 --> 01:35:37,987
So, it's connected to him
as a storyteller,
1761
01:35:37,987 --> 01:35:41,278
which is in his DNA.
1762
01:35:41,278 --> 01:35:44,029
They started running toward the tracks
and they were shot.
1763
01:35:44,029 --> 01:35:46,445
It was probably the last patrol
of the day.
1764
01:35:46,445 --> 01:35:48,153
They were not supposed
to be there anymore.
1765
01:35:48,153 --> 01:35:50,153
And of course they asked for papers,
1766
01:35:50,153 --> 01:35:52,654
but my grandfather didn't have any.
1767
01:35:52,654 --> 01:35:56,153
And they took them.
They took them.
1768
01:35:58,445 --> 01:36:02,403
He's got thousands
and thousands of testimonies,
1769
01:36:02,403 --> 01:36:03,987
and not just about the Holocaust.
1770
01:36:03,987 --> 01:36:07,320
About Rwanda,
about Bosnia, you know?
1771
01:36:07,320 --> 01:36:10,779
And it's amazing, this legacy
that "Schindler's List"
1772
01:36:10,779 --> 01:36:12,695
has spawned through Steven.
1773
01:36:30,320 --> 01:36:32,821
The experience of making
"Schindler's List"
1774
01:36:32,821 --> 01:36:37,112
made me reconcile
with all of the reasons,
1775
01:36:37,112 --> 01:36:42,987
the vain, glorious reasons,
I hid from my Jewishness.
1776
01:36:42,987 --> 01:36:47,529
And it made me so proud
to be a Jew.
1777
01:37:07,529 --> 01:37:10,737
There are periods of time
in moviemaking history
1778
01:37:10,737 --> 01:37:14,029
where you have a collision of events
1779
01:37:14,029 --> 01:37:15,904
that innovates and creates
something new.
1780
01:37:15,904 --> 01:37:18,904
And "Jurassic Park"
was one of those moments.
1781
01:37:18,904 --> 01:37:20,987
- Keep it there.
- It was the beginning
1782
01:37:20,987 --> 01:37:22,737
of, really, the digital era
1783
01:37:22,737 --> 01:37:26,278
where the central characters
were digitally created.
1784
01:37:26,278 --> 01:37:28,403
No one had ever
gone there before that way.
1785
01:37:28,403 --> 01:37:32,071
Come on!
1786
01:37:32,071 --> 01:37:34,153
Steven said to me,
1787
01:37:34,153 --> 01:37:38,737
"I want 28-foot to 30-foot
dinosaurs on the set
1788
01:37:38,737 --> 01:37:40,904
that the actors can interact with,
1789
01:37:40,904 --> 01:37:43,153
and I want them to be able to run."
1790
01:37:43,153 --> 01:37:45,821
There were going to be
at least 60 wide shots
1791
01:37:45,821 --> 01:37:47,779
with 60 head-to-toe dinosaurs
1792
01:37:47,779 --> 01:37:49,737
that could not operate mechanically.
1793
01:37:49,737 --> 01:37:51,278
They had to run.
They had to perform.
1794
01:37:51,278 --> 01:37:52,821
They had to twist and turn.
They had to be real.
1795
01:37:52,821 --> 01:37:56,695
So, I went off to start
to talk to experts
1796
01:37:56,695 --> 01:38:00,195
in the area of prosthetics
and theme parks
1797
01:38:00,195 --> 01:38:01,487
to figure out
how we're gonna do this.
1798
01:38:01,487 --> 01:38:03,029
And, of course,
everybody said to me,
1799
01:38:03,029 --> 01:38:05,237
"We can build these things,
but they can't run."
1800
01:38:05,237 --> 01:38:07,153
So, I went back to Steven
and I said, "They can't run."
1801
01:38:07,153 --> 01:38:08,862
He said, "Well, they have to run."
1802
01:38:08,862 --> 01:38:11,153
- Okay, pushing team, move in there.
- Move in.
1803
01:38:11,153 --> 01:38:14,487
So, all this development was going on,
1804
01:38:14,487 --> 01:38:19,278
and simultaneous to that,
Dennis Muren called me and he said,
1805
01:38:19,278 --> 01:38:22,278
"I'm working on something
with the computer
1806
01:38:22,278 --> 01:38:24,612
that I think could be extraordinary."
1807
01:38:31,071 --> 01:38:32,821
Aah!
1808
01:38:32,821 --> 01:38:34,445
Lock the opening!
1809
01:38:34,445 --> 01:38:36,487
And we flew up to ILM,
1810
01:38:36,487 --> 01:38:38,195
and we went in this little office,
1811
01:38:38,195 --> 01:38:41,487
and there was a computer,
and Dennis said, "Watch this."
1812
01:38:41,487 --> 01:38:42,862
And he hit a button,
1813
01:38:42,862 --> 01:38:45,153
and there was a dinosaur running.
1814
01:38:45,153 --> 01:38:46,445
This is all in the computer.
1815
01:38:46,445 --> 01:38:47,737
There's no models,
no cameras, or anything.
1816
01:38:47,737 --> 01:38:49,153
When we looked at them,
1817
01:38:49,153 --> 01:38:50,779
it was like nothing
you had ever seen before.
1818
01:38:50,779 --> 01:38:54,071
And it was one of those primal moments
1819
01:38:54,071 --> 01:38:57,025
where you suddenly realize, oh, my God...
1820
01:38:57,026 --> 01:38:57,919
Oh, my God.
1821
01:38:57,987 --> 01:38:59,445
Oh, my God, we're there.
1822
01:38:59,445 --> 01:39:01,737
This is the future.
1823
01:39:01,737 --> 01:39:03,695
I could not believe my eyes.
1824
01:39:03,695 --> 01:39:05,695
Couldn't believe it.
1825
01:39:05,695 --> 01:39:07,570
They were alive.
They were real.
1826
01:39:07,570 --> 01:39:10,987
And it was so exciting,
we all leapt to our feet
1827
01:39:10,987 --> 01:39:13,320
because we had never seen
anything like it.
1828
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,029
I'm not exaggerating when I say
1829
01:39:15,029 --> 01:39:18,737
looking at that test was like the moment
1830
01:39:18,737 --> 01:39:20,278
when sound came to movies.
1831
01:39:20,278 --> 01:39:23,862
There was this new tool
that was going to be huge,
1832
01:39:23,862 --> 01:39:25,071
and you could just tell.
1833
01:39:38,612 --> 01:39:41,029
Laura Dern:
It was that much of an experiment.
1834
01:39:41,029 --> 01:39:42,821
It felt that wild.
1835
01:39:42,821 --> 01:39:45,946
And watching, you know,
their brains at work
1836
01:39:45,946 --> 01:39:48,654
as we were shooting,
and how'd they adjust a shot,
1837
01:39:48,654 --> 01:39:51,029
and how giddy Steven would get,
1838
01:39:51,029 --> 01:39:55,570
you get caught up in the dreams he was
building and the magic.
1839
01:39:55,570 --> 01:39:58,654
Jeff Goldblum: During the scenes where
we're first seeing the dinosaur,
1840
01:39:58,654 --> 01:40:00,071
he puts the camera on me
and says, "Okay, Jeff,
1841
01:40:00,071 --> 01:40:01,695
now you're looking at the thing.
1842
01:40:01,695 --> 01:40:03,362
Okay, so look at it.
1843
01:40:03,362 --> 01:40:05,445
Yeah, keep going. Keep rolling.
1844
01:40:05,445 --> 01:40:07,821
Is it real?
Is it a trick?
1845
01:40:07,821 --> 01:40:11,153
And now, for no reason at all,
you start to laugh.
1846
01:40:11,153 --> 01:40:12,570
Keep laughing a little bit.
1847
01:40:12,570 --> 01:40:14,487
Laugh a little bit more. That's it.
1848
01:40:14,487 --> 01:40:16,695
Now you're stunned by it again
1849
01:40:16,695 --> 01:40:18,362
and you just get very still.
1850
01:40:19,904 --> 01:40:21,445
Okay, that's it.
Okay, I got what I need.
1851
01:40:21,445 --> 01:40:23,237
Let's go. Let's move on."
Like that.
1852
01:40:23,237 --> 01:40:25,071
He knows exactly what he needs.
1853
01:40:25,071 --> 01:40:26,946
Weapon, you know,
guy face-- all faces,
1854
01:40:26,946 --> 01:40:30,071
weapons, faces, and then right to Bob.
1855
01:40:30,071 --> 01:40:33,570
- Get in there!
- "Jurassic Park" is a cautionary tale.
1856
01:40:33,570 --> 01:40:35,779
We stand on the shoulders of giants
1857
01:40:35,779 --> 01:40:38,654
to create the next great thing,
1858
01:40:38,654 --> 01:40:42,320
and yet we take no responsibility
for our own creations.
1859
01:40:42,320 --> 01:40:45,654
But it's an old, timeworn
science fiction story.
1860
01:40:45,654 --> 01:40:48,153
It's what brought Godzilla
up from the depths.
1861
01:40:48,153 --> 01:40:52,695
You mess with atomic energy,
you get Godzilla.
1862
01:40:52,695 --> 01:40:55,195
Rick Carter: There's a lot of
dark themes in "Jurassic Park"
1863
01:40:55,195 --> 01:40:58,695
that are about, you know,
unleashing Pandora's box.
1864
01:40:58,695 --> 01:41:01,779
As it turns out, it's not
only genetic engineering,
1865
01:41:01,779 --> 01:41:04,112
which is a theme in the movie,
1866
01:41:04,112 --> 01:41:05,946
it's actually the digital revolution
1867
01:41:05,946 --> 01:41:08,195
coming out right from behind the fence.
1868
01:41:20,071 --> 01:41:22,654
Muren: This opened up
a whole new world in storytelling
1869
01:41:22,654 --> 01:41:24,946
because you can do
anything you want.
1870
01:41:24,946 --> 01:41:27,529
You're not limited by plastics or metal
1871
01:41:27,529 --> 01:41:30,320
or gravity or anything.
1872
01:41:30,320 --> 01:41:32,654
If you can imagine it,
you can do it.
1873
01:41:32,654 --> 01:41:35,487
It was the end of an era,
no question about it.
1874
01:41:35,487 --> 01:41:37,320
And it was the beginning
of a whole nother era.
1875
01:41:50,821 --> 01:41:55,362
Muren: Steven is a master of putting
the effects shots in for a purpose.
1876
01:41:55,362 --> 01:41:59,071
They're there to advance the story
1877
01:41:59,071 --> 01:42:02,029
and to make it a different journey
1878
01:42:02,029 --> 01:42:04,195
than anybody's seen before.
1879
01:42:04,195 --> 01:42:05,862
And it could be a spaceship,
1880
01:42:05,862 --> 01:42:08,403
it could be a dinosaur,
it could be an alien landing,
1881
01:42:08,403 --> 01:42:12,195
it could be, you know, a red coat
that somebody's wearing
1882
01:42:12,195 --> 01:42:14,612
when they're running through
a black-and-white movie.
1883
01:42:14,612 --> 01:42:17,529
- Put the camera down.
- It's part of the emotional landscape
1884
01:42:17,529 --> 01:42:19,278
of the story he's telling.
1885
01:42:19,278 --> 01:42:21,362
I've never seen a single moment
1886
01:42:21,362 --> 01:42:23,362
in a Spielberg movie in which you feel
1887
01:42:23,362 --> 01:42:25,821
that the technology
is crushing the story.
1888
01:42:25,821 --> 01:42:27,612
And that's really hard.
1889
01:42:27,612 --> 01:42:30,529
I mean, these moments,
which have to feel
1890
01:42:30,529 --> 01:42:33,862
spontaneous and real on-screen...
1891
01:42:33,862 --> 01:42:35,821
There are 200 people around,
1892
01:42:35,821 --> 01:42:37,862
and half of it is being
created six months later
1893
01:42:37,862 --> 01:42:41,570
and half of it was six months before.
1894
01:42:41,570 --> 01:42:43,320
When he made "Jurassic Park,"
1895
01:42:43,320 --> 01:42:45,071
there was no guarantee
that it would work.
1896
01:42:45,071 --> 01:42:47,862
That could easily
have been a disaster.
1897
01:42:47,862 --> 01:42:52,529
But it was the right ratio
of excitement and fear for Steven.
1898
01:42:52,529 --> 01:42:55,195
Doing a movie has to scare you
a little bit.
1899
01:42:55,195 --> 01:42:58,237
Otherwise, you're not pushing it.
1900
01:42:58,237 --> 01:42:59,904
"Schindler's List," which seems--
1901
01:42:59,904 --> 01:43:01,987
clearly, that should have
been a movie now--
1902
01:43:01,987 --> 01:43:05,403
was a three-hour black-and-white movie
about the Holocaust.
1903
01:43:05,403 --> 01:43:10,946
In the halls of Universal,
that was-- that was crazy.
1904
01:43:10,946 --> 01:43:12,612
That was not--
1905
01:43:12,612 --> 01:43:15,654
who green lights that movie, you know?
1906
01:43:15,654 --> 01:43:20,153
It was as big a risk
as CG dinosaurs. Bigger.
1907
01:43:20,153 --> 01:43:23,278
You're saying "All my credibility
as a fantasy filmmaker--
1908
01:43:23,278 --> 01:43:26,362
I'm gonna risk all that
on CG dinosaurs.
1909
01:43:26,362 --> 01:43:28,821
And all my credibility
as an artist,
1910
01:43:28,821 --> 01:43:30,529
I'm gonna put on the line, too.
1911
01:43:30,529 --> 01:43:33,112
And I'm gonna do it all
over the course of 12 months.
1912
01:43:33,112 --> 01:43:35,278
Fingers crossed."
1913
01:43:35,278 --> 01:43:36,779
They seem obvious now.
1914
01:43:36,779 --> 01:43:40,237
They were by no means guarantees.
1915
01:43:40,237 --> 01:43:43,612
And that must have been
a really terrifying period,
1916
01:43:43,612 --> 01:43:46,779
because you really are pushing all your
chips into the middle of the table
1917
01:43:46,779 --> 01:43:48,654
at that point.
1918
01:43:48,654 --> 01:43:50,445
Of course, it turned out
very well for Steven,
1919
01:43:50,445 --> 01:43:52,612
giving him one of the strangest
1920
01:43:52,612 --> 01:43:56,071
and most astoundingly successful years
of any film director, ever.
1921
01:43:56,071 --> 01:43:59,029
This is my greatest
technological masterpiece--
1922
01:43:59,029 --> 01:44:01,779
the Schpiel-Borg 2000.
1923
01:44:01,779 --> 01:44:03,779
I spared no expense.
1924
01:44:03,779 --> 01:44:05,403
Your play pal, Pinky,
1925
01:44:05,403 --> 01:44:08,779
is actually an extremely advanced
cybernetic clone
1926
01:44:08,779 --> 01:44:12,029
of one of Hollywood's
most powerful figures.
1927
01:44:12,029 --> 01:44:14,987
And if his box office numbers
are any indication,
1928
01:44:14,987 --> 01:44:19,195
he has the potential
to become ruler of the world.
1929
01:44:19,195 --> 01:44:22,403
Steven is the best-known
director in the world, easily.
1930
01:44:24,029 --> 01:44:26,612
- Listen.
- What?
1931
01:44:31,987 --> 01:44:34,071
Steven, you've made so many films.
1932
01:44:34,071 --> 01:44:36,779
When are you gonna do the big one?
1933
01:44:36,779 --> 01:44:39,445
Wow. What do you mean "big one?"
1934
01:44:39,445 --> 01:44:41,320
Something that clicks
with the public.
1935
01:44:41,320 --> 01:44:42,654
"Something that clicks
with the public."
1936
01:44:45,195 --> 01:44:47,362
The guy's an unmistakable force
1937
01:44:47,362 --> 01:44:49,237
in the business of making movies.
1938
01:44:49,237 --> 01:44:51,403
Running a company,
being an executive producer,
1939
01:44:51,403 --> 01:44:53,362
being a producer,
and being a director.
1940
01:44:53,362 --> 01:44:57,195
Robert Zemeckis: For a filmmaker,
you can't have a better producer
1941
01:44:57,195 --> 01:44:59,195
than one of the greatest
directors in the world.
1942
01:44:59,195 --> 01:45:02,529
He really nurtures
young talent coming up.
1943
01:45:02,529 --> 01:45:05,029
It's a pretty amazing roster.
1944
01:45:07,779 --> 01:45:10,445
He's also a major figure
in the television business.
1945
01:45:10,445 --> 01:45:11,862
He started a restaurant.
1946
01:45:11,862 --> 01:45:14,153
Dive!
Submarine sandwiches.
1947
01:45:14,153 --> 01:45:16,529
The man was, like, doing
27 things at once
1948
01:45:16,529 --> 01:45:19,821
and being perfectly
unselfconscious about it.
1949
01:45:19,821 --> 01:45:22,362
How many hats does that man wear?
It's impossible.
1950
01:45:22,362 --> 01:45:24,071
He once told me, "When I'm at a buffet,
1951
01:45:24,071 --> 01:45:27,278
I like to have too much food
on my plate."
1952
01:45:29,570 --> 01:45:32,112
Holly Hunter: He will be in production
on a movie,
1953
01:45:32,112 --> 01:45:34,278
doing preproduction for another movie,
1954
01:45:34,278 --> 01:45:35,946
and editing yet a third.
1955
01:45:35,946 --> 01:45:37,904
He's got a lot of different channels.
1956
01:45:37,904 --> 01:45:39,153
You know, me, I have a list.
1957
01:45:39,153 --> 01:45:40,403
You know, "change light bulbs,"
1958
01:45:40,403 --> 01:45:42,029
and that's on there for a week.
1959
01:45:42,029 --> 01:45:44,153
No, he gets a lot accomplished.
1960
01:45:44,153 --> 01:45:47,278
Tom Brokaw: Three of Hollywood's richest,
most powerful boy wonders
1961
01:45:47,278 --> 01:45:50,071
teamed up today to create
a movie studio,
1962
01:45:50,071 --> 01:45:53,195
Hollywood's first
major new independent studio
1963
01:45:53,195 --> 01:45:54,237
in almost half a century.
1964
01:45:56,278 --> 01:45:58,362
I don't think Steven really
fears anything.
1965
01:45:58,362 --> 01:46:01,112
He's always ready to go
and do something new.
1966
01:46:03,112 --> 01:46:06,320
Jeffrey Katzenberg: No one can
consume information,
1967
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,195
be in so many places
so effortlessly.
1968
01:46:09,195 --> 01:46:12,320
It used to make me crazy
if a screenplay came in,
1969
01:46:12,320 --> 01:46:14,445
that, you know,
we were all waiting for,
1970
01:46:14,445 --> 01:46:16,612
no matter what,
I could never get home
1971
01:46:16,612 --> 01:46:18,654
and get it read before him.
1972
01:46:20,278 --> 01:46:22,403
Dustin Hoffman:
To be that talented,
1973
01:46:22,403 --> 01:46:27,403
to be that successful
almost in a mythological way,
1974
01:46:27,403 --> 01:46:29,112
your jaw drops.
1975
01:46:29,112 --> 01:46:30,570
Many times you see the person
1976
01:46:30,570 --> 01:46:35,153
incorporating their success
into their personality.
1977
01:46:35,153 --> 01:46:38,904
There's a sense
of self-importance.
1978
01:46:38,904 --> 01:46:41,487
And it's the opposite with Steven.
1979
01:46:41,487 --> 01:46:44,946
Steven's like a guy who works
for Steven Spielberg.
1980
01:46:48,904 --> 01:46:52,487
Shark!
1981
01:46:52,487 --> 01:46:54,654
A day of pure bliss, for me,
1982
01:46:54,654 --> 01:46:56,612
is a day where I'm with my family.
1983
01:46:56,612 --> 01:46:59,779
I've got my eyes closed,
they're swimming in the pool,
1984
01:46:59,779 --> 01:47:01,862
- and I just listen to their voices.
- One more time.
1985
01:47:01,862 --> 01:47:04,237
That's great, Theo.
That was the best one.
1986
01:47:04,237 --> 01:47:06,403
I never knew I was going
to have a big family.
1987
01:47:06,403 --> 01:47:08,153
That took me completely by surprise.
1988
01:47:08,153 --> 01:47:10,403
Kate never thought she'd have
a big family either.
1989
01:47:10,403 --> 01:47:14,779
So, the natural evolution
in our life was a gift.
1990
01:47:14,779 --> 01:47:16,654
Jessica is my oldest,
1991
01:47:16,654 --> 01:47:19,403
and then Max, and then Theo after that,
1992
01:47:19,403 --> 01:47:22,403
and then Sasha,
and then Sawyer,
1993
01:47:22,403 --> 01:47:24,779
and then Mikaela,
and then Destry.
1994
01:47:24,779 --> 01:47:26,654
Woman: Whoo-hoo!
1995
01:47:26,654 --> 01:47:29,487
Kate is a force in my life.
1996
01:47:29,487 --> 01:47:31,071
There's such an honesty
about her
1997
01:47:31,071 --> 01:47:32,737
and an awareness
of the world.
1998
01:47:32,737 --> 01:47:34,362
And I think the authenticity
1999
01:47:34,362 --> 01:47:37,612
of the kinds of movies
I began to make
2000
01:47:37,612 --> 01:47:40,779
after Katie and I got together
2001
01:47:40,779 --> 01:47:44,487
had to do with bringing
a kind of truth into my life
2002
01:47:44,487 --> 01:47:47,987
where truth began
to upstage make-believe.
2003
01:47:47,987 --> 01:47:49,445
Okay, turn the camera on.
2004
01:47:49,445 --> 01:47:51,695
- Roll.
- Okay, do it.
2005
01:47:51,695 --> 01:47:53,362
Marker.
2006
01:47:53,362 --> 01:47:54,946
You know, I've turned down
2007
01:47:54,946 --> 01:47:58,403
a lot of very successful
movie franchises
2008
01:47:58,403 --> 01:48:01,612
that 10 years before I would've
jumped at the chance to direct.
2009
01:48:01,612 --> 01:48:03,695
But it wasn't the kind of legacy
2010
01:48:03,695 --> 01:48:06,195
I want to leave behind
for my kids.
2011
01:48:27,612 --> 01:48:29,737
Steven wanted "Saving Private Ryan"
2012
01:48:29,737 --> 01:48:34,278
to be a different kind of very tactile
and personal war movie.
2013
01:48:34,278 --> 01:48:36,237
We had no idea that Omaha Beach
2014
01:48:36,237 --> 01:48:39,987
was gonna be what it was like
when we started.
2015
01:48:39,987 --> 01:48:42,320
He did not describe
anything to us.
2016
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:44,237
He was playing
with our sense of confusion
2017
01:48:44,237 --> 01:48:45,862
and panic and fear,
2018
01:48:45,862 --> 01:48:48,112
capturing the moment
of our own shock,
2019
01:48:48,112 --> 01:48:51,403
or our surprise,
or our own blankness.
2020
01:48:51,403 --> 01:48:53,737
And the difference between standing
around before we're shooting
2021
01:48:53,737 --> 01:48:55,987
and saying, "Hey, ready to do this?
Nice to meet you. Here we go.
2022
01:48:55,987 --> 01:48:57,612
Can you swim?
You can't swim?
2023
01:48:57,612 --> 01:49:00,278
You better, because you're
in a Steven Spielberg movie.
2024
01:49:00,278 --> 01:49:03,695
You better..."
So, we're talking like that.
2025
01:49:03,695 --> 01:49:05,487
And then it opened up
2026
01:49:05,487 --> 01:49:09,821
and all the powers of physical
moviemaking went berserk.
2027
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:30,153
Over the side!
2028
01:49:36,362 --> 01:49:38,487
Over the side, boys!
2029
01:49:49,403 --> 01:49:51,821
I tried very, very hard
to put the audience
2030
01:49:51,821 --> 01:49:55,904
as close to the experience
as I possibly knew how to do
2031
01:49:55,904 --> 01:49:58,821
so there wouldn't ever be
a safe feeling
2032
01:49:58,821 --> 01:50:00,445
in the audience.
2033
01:50:00,445 --> 01:50:02,153
And when you narrow
that distance--
2034
01:50:02,153 --> 01:50:04,654
if you're successful
in narrowing the distance,
2035
01:50:04,654 --> 01:50:08,445
then the audience
really becomes those characters.
2036
01:50:17,112 --> 01:50:19,529
Come on.
2037
01:50:19,529 --> 01:50:22,695
In "Saving Private Ryan,"
Spielberg understood
2038
01:50:22,695 --> 01:50:25,612
the expressionistic
possibilities of sound.
2039
01:50:28,071 --> 01:50:30,779
You could hear the bullets
streaking along.
2040
01:50:30,779 --> 01:50:33,278
You can hear them
penetrate the flesh
2041
01:50:33,278 --> 01:50:35,278
and ravage these bodies.
2042
01:50:35,278 --> 01:50:37,987
You felt what it was like
to have your ears ringing
2043
01:50:37,987 --> 01:50:41,195
in the midst of this
and be completely disoriented.
2044
01:50:48,612 --> 01:50:50,987
The sheer intensity of that scene,
2045
01:50:50,987 --> 01:50:52,737
the visceral element,
2046
01:50:52,737 --> 01:50:55,362
not just metaphorically,
but literally,
2047
01:50:55,362 --> 01:50:58,862
is like nothing-- nothing
that had been put on film before.
2048
01:51:05,237 --> 01:51:08,403
I decided to shoot the entire
Omaha Beach sequence
2049
01:51:08,403 --> 01:51:10,237
in complete continuity,
2050
01:51:10,237 --> 01:51:12,904
not knowing what was gonna come next.
2051
01:51:12,904 --> 01:51:15,403
And all my cameramen
were given instruction
2052
01:51:15,403 --> 01:51:18,779
to be spontaneous
in what they decided to shoot,
2053
01:51:18,779 --> 01:51:21,029
just like a documentary
cameraman would.
2054
01:51:21,029 --> 01:51:24,695
And for, like, 27 days,
we literally took the beach
2055
01:51:24,695 --> 01:51:27,529
as filmmakers,
one yard at a time.
2056
01:51:31,278 --> 01:51:35,071
Mama! Mama!
2057
01:51:35,071 --> 01:51:37,112
"Saving Private Ryan" revealed
2058
01:51:37,112 --> 01:51:39,737
certain visceral truths about war
2059
01:51:39,737 --> 01:51:42,195
that people were not
gonna learn from books.
2060
01:51:42,195 --> 01:51:44,779
They were not gonna learn
from documentaries.
2061
01:51:44,779 --> 01:51:46,987
That was him at the height of his powers
2062
01:51:46,987 --> 01:51:49,195
doing something
that nobody else could do.
2063
01:51:49,195 --> 01:51:52,362
The first time we talked
about the movie,
2064
01:51:52,362 --> 01:51:54,158
he said, "I can't wait to shoot that
2065
01:51:54,159 --> 01:51:56,354
machine gun nest at
the radar installation."
2066
01:51:56,403 --> 01:51:58,445
He had already mapped
this thing out in his mind,
2067
01:51:58,445 --> 01:52:01,529
and when we got to the location,
there was one problem--
2068
01:52:01,529 --> 01:52:03,487
the sun wasn't in the right place.
2069
01:52:03,487 --> 01:52:07,071
Steven had thought
the set was built this way,
2070
01:52:07,071 --> 01:52:08,779
but it was built this way.
2071
01:52:08,779 --> 01:52:10,695
So, he could not shoot it,
because the sun
2072
01:52:10,695 --> 01:52:12,779
was not going to give him
the light that he wanted.
2073
01:52:12,779 --> 01:52:16,071
And he was mad, perhaps with himself
or perhaps with someone
2074
01:52:16,071 --> 01:52:18,403
who didn't tell him
what the compass points were.
2075
01:52:18,403 --> 01:52:20,654
So, he went on a walk,
and when he comes back,
2076
01:52:20,654 --> 01:52:22,278
he says, "Okay, I know
how I'm gonna shoot it."
2077
01:52:25,445 --> 01:52:27,487
And it's a different perspective
2078
01:52:27,487 --> 01:52:30,487
from any other assault
that we had shot in the film.
2079
01:52:31,987 --> 01:52:34,487
And if you're not Steven,
2080
01:52:34,487 --> 01:52:36,487
if you don't have this lifetime
2081
01:52:36,487 --> 01:52:39,487
of cinematic language in your head,
2082
01:52:39,487 --> 01:52:41,487
that's a different kind of day.
2083
01:52:41,487 --> 01:52:45,153
But because his eye
is so connected to his brain
2084
01:52:45,153 --> 01:52:47,112
and every movie that he's ever seen
2085
01:52:47,112 --> 01:52:48,654
and every movie that he's ever made,
2086
01:52:48,654 --> 01:52:49,987
he just went out and said,
2087
01:52:49,987 --> 01:52:52,403
"Here's how we're gonna
do this, and that's it."
2088
01:52:52,403 --> 01:52:53,821
Incredible.
2089
01:53:03,320 --> 01:53:06,821
"Saving Private Ryan"
was in honor of the veterans,
2090
01:53:06,821 --> 01:53:10,112
and I think a bit of a homage
to my father
2091
01:53:10,112 --> 01:53:12,362
who flew missions during WWII.
2092
01:53:12,362 --> 01:53:15,862
He wasn't in Europe.
He was in India and Burma.
2093
01:53:15,862 --> 01:53:18,987
When I was a kid, my dad was telling
WWII stories all the time.
2094
01:53:18,987 --> 01:53:21,029
His veteran friends would come
over to the house
2095
01:53:21,029 --> 01:53:22,529
and I'd listen to them tell war stories.
2096
01:53:22,529 --> 01:53:24,403
So, WWII, that greatest generation,
2097
01:53:24,403 --> 01:53:28,946
became something that I wished
I could be part of.
2098
01:53:28,946 --> 01:53:31,487
Steven had a complicated relationship
with his father,
2099
01:53:31,487 --> 01:53:35,362
but he was starting
to reconnect and realize
2100
01:53:35,362 --> 01:53:38,195
that his first impressions
of a lot of the things he had
2101
01:53:38,195 --> 01:53:39,737
weren't necessarily true.
2102
01:53:39,737 --> 01:53:41,695
It was complex for me for a long time,
2103
01:53:41,695 --> 01:53:45,237
but at least I had a art form
2104
01:53:45,237 --> 01:53:48,071
that I could filter it through.
2105
01:53:48,071 --> 01:53:49,403
At least I had that.
2106
01:53:49,403 --> 01:53:53,153
If movies did anything for me, it--
2107
01:53:53,153 --> 01:53:57,403
I've avoided therapy
because movies are my therapy.
2108
01:54:00,612 --> 01:54:02,654
Junior?
2109
01:54:02,654 --> 01:54:05,320
- Yes, sir.
- And this father-son obsession
2110
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:07,195
I've had in my movies
obviously speaks
2111
01:54:07,195 --> 01:54:13,237
to a great deal of feelings
that I've been carrying with me
2112
01:54:13,237 --> 01:54:15,946
that I want to unburden myself of,
and I have.
2113
01:54:15,946 --> 01:54:19,071
Do you remember the last time we had
a quiet drink?
2114
01:54:19,071 --> 01:54:21,320
Huh?
2115
01:54:21,320 --> 01:54:23,654
I had a milkshake.
2116
01:54:23,654 --> 01:54:25,821
Hmm? What did we talk about?
2117
01:54:27,779 --> 01:54:30,320
We didn't talk.
2118
01:54:30,320 --> 01:54:32,071
We never talked.
2119
01:54:32,071 --> 01:54:33,529
The absent father
2120
01:54:33,529 --> 01:54:35,529
has haunted Steven throughout his life,
2121
01:54:35,529 --> 01:54:39,779
and he has fictionalized it
in all kinds of ways on film.
2122
01:54:39,779 --> 01:54:42,821
It's the heart of him.
2123
01:54:42,821 --> 01:54:44,403
Although I liked the movies,
2124
01:54:44,403 --> 01:54:46,320
I noticed the absence of the father
2125
01:54:46,320 --> 01:54:48,237
quite significantly.
2126
01:54:48,237 --> 01:54:50,987
For a long time,
Steven was very mad at me.
2127
01:54:50,987 --> 01:54:52,403
There he is.
2128
01:54:54,987 --> 01:54:57,987
- Get a hug?
- I was hurt by it, but quietly hurt.
2129
01:54:57,987 --> 01:55:00,487
Confusing handshake?
Kick in the teeth?
2130
01:55:00,487 --> 01:55:02,237
I didn't broach it with Steven.
2131
01:55:02,237 --> 01:55:06,153
I just ate it up a little bit
2132
01:55:06,153 --> 01:55:08,320
and hurt a little bit.
2133
01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:12,195
I thought I had lost you, boy.
2134
01:55:12,195 --> 01:55:14,821
I thought you had too, sir.
2135
01:55:14,821 --> 01:55:17,570
My dad and I finally
resolved our differences,
2136
01:55:17,570 --> 01:55:22,195
and we're probably closer now
than we ever were before.
2137
01:55:22,195 --> 01:55:24,403
When he made "Saving Private Ryan,"
2138
01:55:24,403 --> 01:55:26,779
he said, "I made this for my dad."
2139
01:55:26,779 --> 01:55:28,237
And that was wonderful.
2140
01:55:28,237 --> 01:55:31,153
That made me feel warm right here.
2141
01:55:45,987 --> 01:55:49,821
Lawrence Kasdan:
Steven has always had a big vision
2142
01:55:49,821 --> 01:55:52,487
of what movies can be.
2143
01:55:54,487 --> 01:55:57,403
He's an American moviemaker.
2144
01:55:57,403 --> 01:56:01,862
And it's not starry-eyed patriotism.
2145
01:56:01,862 --> 01:56:03,529
Animals!
2146
01:56:03,529 --> 01:56:06,071
He is drawn to all the themes
2147
01:56:06,071 --> 01:56:09,737
that are inherent
in the American character
2148
01:56:09,737 --> 01:56:13,362
and the American society
and how it developed.
2149
01:56:13,362 --> 01:56:15,362
There are people struggling
2150
01:56:15,362 --> 01:56:18,987
in one way or another
for freedom in these movies.
2151
01:56:18,987 --> 01:56:23,737
Give... us free.
2152
01:56:23,737 --> 01:56:25,862
He doesn't take freedom for granted.
2153
01:56:27,278 --> 01:56:29,570
Liberty and equality,
2154
01:56:29,570 --> 01:56:31,946
the Constitution,
2155
01:56:31,946 --> 01:56:33,529
and the rights of the individual.
2156
01:56:35,071 --> 01:56:37,904
He's evolved as a filmmaker.
2157
01:56:37,904 --> 01:56:41,403
"Amistad" and "Lincoln"
and "Bridge of Spies"
2158
01:56:41,403 --> 01:56:43,029
are all about the rule of law.
2159
01:56:43,029 --> 01:56:45,904
They're all about
the rights of even people
2160
01:56:45,904 --> 01:56:49,153
who are either brought here
against their will
2161
01:56:49,153 --> 01:56:53,904
or come here to be a soldier
in an opposing army
2162
01:56:53,904 --> 01:56:55,570
and are caught.
2163
01:56:55,570 --> 01:56:58,320
The law fully covers everyone.
2164
01:56:58,320 --> 01:56:59,612
We were supposed to show
2165
01:56:59,612 --> 01:57:01,946
he had a capable defense,
which we did.
2166
01:57:01,946 --> 01:57:04,612
Why are you citing
the goddamn Constitution at me?
2167
01:57:04,612 --> 01:57:06,195
Tom, if you look me in the eye
2168
01:57:06,195 --> 01:57:08,071
and tell me we don't have grounds
2169
01:57:08,071 --> 01:57:09,445
for an appeal, I'll drop it right now.
2170
01:57:09,445 --> 01:57:11,695
I'm not saying that.
You know what I'm saying.
2171
01:57:11,695 --> 01:57:13,695
Tom is saying there's a cost
to these things.
2172
01:57:13,695 --> 01:57:15,570
That's right.
2173
01:57:15,570 --> 01:57:18,570
A cost to both
your family and your firm.
2174
01:57:18,570 --> 01:57:20,237
I really believe in this country,
2175
01:57:20,237 --> 01:57:21,737
and I always have.
2176
01:57:21,737 --> 01:57:23,946
And it just resonated
throughout my work--
2177
01:57:23,946 --> 01:57:25,821
wanting to tell American stories,
2178
01:57:25,821 --> 01:57:28,612
wanting to tell stories
about principled, ethical people
2179
01:57:28,612 --> 01:57:30,445
who, against all advice
2180
01:57:30,445 --> 01:57:33,654
and against most everyone else's
better judgment,
2181
01:57:33,654 --> 01:57:36,529
just proceed to do the right thing.
2182
01:57:36,529 --> 01:57:40,654
I'm sure that sounds like
I'm this kind of, you know,
2183
01:57:40,654 --> 01:57:44,779
idealist or some sort of a patriot,
2184
01:57:44,779 --> 01:57:46,779
but I am a patriot.
2185
01:57:46,779 --> 01:57:49,362
And I'm somewhat of an idealist, too.
2186
01:57:49,362 --> 01:57:52,445
Say all we done is show the world
2187
01:57:52,445 --> 01:57:54,779
that democracy isn't chaos.
2188
01:57:57,487 --> 01:58:01,112
That there is a great
invisible strength
2189
01:58:01,112 --> 01:58:03,071
in a people's union.
2190
01:58:03,071 --> 01:58:05,654
Say we've shown
that a people can endure
2191
01:58:05,654 --> 01:58:09,403
awful sacrifice and yet cohere.
2192
01:58:09,403 --> 01:58:12,071
Mightn't that save at least the idea
of democracy,
2193
01:58:12,071 --> 01:58:14,445
to aspire to?
2194
01:58:14,445 --> 01:58:17,278
Eventually to become worthy of?
2195
01:58:17,278 --> 01:58:19,320
Daniel Day-Lewis: The first thing that
you have to overcome
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01:58:19,320 --> 01:58:21,445
is the reluctance
to even approach Lincoln
2197
01:58:21,445 --> 01:58:23,987
because he's such a mighty figure.
2198
01:58:23,987 --> 01:58:26,821
His experience as a president
was in, you know,
2199
01:58:26,821 --> 01:58:29,987
one of the greatest crises
that this country's ever known.
2200
01:58:29,987 --> 01:58:32,904
And so, undoubtedly, of course,
2201
01:58:32,904 --> 01:58:36,737
he made decisions that were
extremely unpalatable
2202
01:58:36,737 --> 01:58:38,487
to many, many people.
2203
01:58:38,487 --> 01:58:42,529
We are absolutely guaranteed
to lose the whole thing.
2204
01:58:42,529 --> 01:58:45,737
We don't need a goddamned
abolition amendment.
2205
01:58:45,737 --> 01:58:48,071
Leave the Constitution alone!
2206
01:58:48,071 --> 01:58:50,195
...peace commissioners appear today, or--
2207
01:58:54,278 --> 01:58:57,029
I can't listen to this anymore.
2208
01:58:58,654 --> 01:59:01,946
I can't accomplish a goddamn thing
2209
01:59:01,946 --> 01:59:04,403
of any human meaning or worth
2210
01:59:04,403 --> 01:59:08,195
until we cure ourselves of slavery
2211
01:59:08,195 --> 01:59:11,737
and end this pestilential war!
2212
01:59:11,737 --> 01:59:15,153
And whether any of you
or anyone else knows it,
2213
01:59:15,153 --> 01:59:17,737
I know I need this!
2214
01:59:17,737 --> 01:59:21,237
This amendment is that cure!
2215
01:59:21,237 --> 01:59:23,153
Steven worked a long time
2216
01:59:23,153 --> 01:59:25,612
to find where the story was to tell it.
2217
01:59:25,612 --> 01:59:29,445
And it took guts for Steven to
make a movie about Abraham Lincoln
2218
01:59:29,445 --> 01:59:33,737
in which Lincoln shares top billing with
the House of Representatives.
2219
01:59:33,737 --> 01:59:36,153
Doris Kearns Goodwin:
He had faith that if he told a story
2220
01:59:36,153 --> 01:59:39,403
that is about democracy and it's about
messiness and politics--
2221
01:59:39,403 --> 01:59:41,570
and people are on different sides
of the issue,
2222
01:59:41,570 --> 01:59:43,570
and people who were Democrats then
are Republicans now,
2223
01:59:43,570 --> 01:59:45,112
and Republicans now
were Democrats then,
2224
01:59:45,112 --> 01:59:47,737
was pretty confusing
for people to get a sense
2225
01:59:47,737 --> 01:59:49,403
right away of what the story was.
2226
01:59:49,403 --> 01:59:52,112
But he somehow thought
if the American people
2227
01:59:52,112 --> 01:59:54,529
can feel this man
and feel what he was doing,
2228
01:59:54,529 --> 01:59:57,570
they'll see what democracy is
when it really works.
2229
01:59:57,570 --> 01:59:59,821
A motion has been made
to bring the bill
2230
01:59:59,821 --> 02:00:02,153
for the 13th Amendment to a vote.
2231
02:00:02,153 --> 02:00:04,153
- Do I hear a second?
- I second the motion.
2232
02:00:04,153 --> 02:00:06,445
So moved, so ordered.
2233
02:00:06,445 --> 02:00:09,821
And in the end,
it's not Lincoln's triumph
2234
02:00:09,821 --> 02:00:12,112
that's pushed to the fore in the film.
2235
02:00:12,112 --> 02:00:13,987
I think what's really
pushed to the fore
2236
02:00:13,987 --> 02:00:16,445
is that it's a triumph of democracy.
2237
02:00:16,445 --> 02:00:20,737
The part assigned to me
is to raise the flag.
2238
02:00:20,737 --> 02:00:25,654
And when up, it'll be for the people
to keep it up.
2239
02:00:28,403 --> 02:00:29,695
That's my speech.
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02:00:32,779 --> 02:00:35,654
♪ We are coming, Father Abraham ♪
2241
02:00:35,654 --> 02:00:37,612
♪ 300,000 more ♪
2242
02:00:37,612 --> 02:00:40,071
♪ From Mississippi's winding stream ♪
2243
02:00:40,071 --> 02:00:42,362
♪ And from New England's shore ♪
2244
02:00:42,362 --> 02:00:44,987
♪ We leave our ploughs... ♪
2245
02:00:51,654 --> 02:00:54,153
Oh, yeah!
2246
02:00:58,153 --> 02:00:59,779
Todd McCarthy: From about the time
2247
02:00:59,779 --> 02:01:01,821
of the millennium in Spielberg's career,
2248
02:01:01,821 --> 02:01:06,237
there is something, whether it's personal,
political, historical,
2249
02:01:06,237 --> 02:01:10,278
that pushed him in a more adventurous
and a darker direction.
2250
02:01:10,278 --> 02:01:12,071
I fundamentally don't buy
2251
02:01:12,071 --> 02:01:14,654
that he has a pessimistic worldview
2252
02:01:14,654 --> 02:01:19,071
or that he suddenly changed
and has a more dubious opinion
2253
02:01:19,071 --> 02:01:21,821
of the human race, but still,
2254
02:01:21,821 --> 02:01:24,695
there's been an alteration.
2255
02:01:24,695 --> 02:01:27,195
He has been willing to go places
2256
02:01:27,195 --> 02:01:30,320
that he would not have gone
in his earlier films.
2257
02:01:35,320 --> 02:01:37,570
All right, Howard Marks.
Where are you?
2258
02:01:37,570 --> 02:01:40,029
It was a very complicated
story, "Minority Report."
2259
02:01:40,029 --> 02:01:41,654
A very dark story, actually.
2260
02:01:41,654 --> 02:01:44,195
You know, democracy, freedom of choice,
2261
02:01:44,195 --> 02:01:46,612
corruption.
2262
02:01:46,612 --> 02:01:48,987
That dark, futuristic dystopian tone
2263
02:01:48,987 --> 02:01:51,403
was so compelling for me at that time.
2264
02:01:51,403 --> 02:01:53,362
Tennessee Williams says that artists
2265
02:01:53,362 --> 02:01:55,570
are like the canaries in the coal mine.
2266
02:01:55,570 --> 02:01:58,112
And Steven has an uncanny knack
2267
02:01:58,112 --> 02:02:02,153
for feeling what's going on
in the world around him
2268
02:02:02,153 --> 02:02:05,654
and what needs to be said
at its moment.
2269
02:02:05,654 --> 02:02:08,904
I think he's a very present filmmaker.
2270
02:02:08,904 --> 02:02:11,278
By mandate of the District of Columbia
Precrime Division,
2271
02:02:11,278 --> 02:02:12,854
I'm placing you under arrest for the
2272
02:02:12,855 --> 02:02:14,694
future murder of Sarah Marks
and Donald...
2273
02:02:14,737 --> 02:02:18,278
The film anticipated
the whole post-9/11 mentality
2274
02:02:18,278 --> 02:02:21,278
of arresting people
before they can commit crimes
2275
02:02:21,278 --> 02:02:22,904
and preventive detention
and so on.
2276
02:02:26,987 --> 02:02:28,529
But the movie that I made
2277
02:02:28,529 --> 02:02:31,737
that was a real statement about 9/11
2278
02:02:31,737 --> 02:02:33,071
was "War of the Worlds."
2279
02:02:37,071 --> 02:02:40,779
For me, it began with
what would really happen
2280
02:02:40,779 --> 02:02:42,695
if we were invaded
2281
02:02:42,695 --> 02:02:44,612
and everything that we thought
2282
02:02:44,612 --> 02:02:47,779
made us invulnerable to invasion
2283
02:02:47,779 --> 02:02:48,862
was all wrong?
2284
02:03:00,529 --> 02:03:02,654
There's a sequence
where Cruise's character
2285
02:03:02,654 --> 02:03:05,654
runs through the streets
and the ray is turning people to dust
2286
02:03:05,654 --> 02:03:08,987
and some of that dust is in his hair.
2287
02:03:08,987 --> 02:03:11,153
And he comes home
and sees himself in shock
2288
02:03:11,153 --> 02:03:14,695
and realizes that that's remains
that are in his hair.
2289
02:03:14,695 --> 02:03:16,403
Oh!
2290
02:03:16,403 --> 02:03:19,112
Steven handled that with great tact.
2291
02:03:19,112 --> 02:03:21,904
9/11 was so much a part
of our national psyche,
2292
02:03:21,904 --> 02:03:25,153
you didn't have to do much
to evoke the shock we all felt
2293
02:03:25,153 --> 02:03:28,071
and the helplessness
we all felt at being attacked.
2294
02:03:49,487 --> 02:03:51,612
Good afternoon.
I'm Jim McKay speaking to you
2295
02:03:51,612 --> 02:03:54,737
live at this moment
from ABC headquarters
2296
02:03:54,737 --> 02:03:58,071
just outside the Olympic Village
in Munich, West Germany.
2297
02:03:58,071 --> 02:04:01,153
The peace of what is-- would've
been called the "Serene Olympics"
2298
02:04:01,153 --> 02:04:04,779
was shattered just before dawn
this morning about 5:00.
2299
02:04:04,779 --> 02:04:08,029
Nobody was expecting Steven Spielberg,
2300
02:04:08,029 --> 02:04:10,654
maybe the world's
most famous Jewish artist,
2301
02:04:10,654 --> 02:04:12,403
to weigh in on the Middle East
2302
02:04:12,403 --> 02:04:14,237
because it's such a minefield,
2303
02:04:14,237 --> 02:04:16,362
and Steven is not a sensationalist
2304
02:04:16,362 --> 02:04:19,695
in the sense of wanting to create,
2305
02:04:19,695 --> 02:04:22,445
you know, firestorms of controversy.
2306
02:04:22,445 --> 02:04:24,904
This is building number 31.
2307
02:04:24,904 --> 02:04:26,654
At this moment,
2308
02:04:26,654 --> 02:04:29,862
eight or nine terrified
living human beings
2309
02:04:29,862 --> 02:04:31,737
are being held prisoner.
2310
02:04:31,737 --> 02:04:34,987
I felt I could not make this one-sided.
2311
02:04:34,987 --> 02:04:39,445
And so, I knew it would be controversial
from the very get-go.
2312
02:04:56,071 --> 02:04:59,278
Eric Bana: It was that story
of the group of Mossad agents
2313
02:04:59,278 --> 02:05:01,821
who were assembled
to avenge the deaths
2314
02:05:01,821 --> 02:05:04,862
of the Israeli athletes
at the Munich Olympics.
2315
02:05:08,987 --> 02:05:13,195
It was their job to go after a list
of targeted men
2316
02:05:13,195 --> 02:05:16,362
who were part of a terrorist group.
2317
02:05:16,362 --> 02:05:20,320
And it was their job to, one by one,
assassinate them.
2318
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:23,821
Daniel Craig: This movie was trying to
affect and turn on a debate.
2319
02:05:23,821 --> 02:05:26,904
Is vengeance the answer?
Does it actually solve anything?
2320
02:05:26,904 --> 02:05:28,904
If you continue the cycle of violence
2321
02:05:28,904 --> 02:05:30,737
and cycle of blood, then...
2322
02:05:30,737 --> 02:05:33,737
that's what they'll be and nothing else.
2323
02:05:35,904 --> 02:05:38,529
Steven was very keen
to tell a human story,
2324
02:05:38,529 --> 02:05:42,195
that these were men
and not superheroes.
2325
02:05:42,195 --> 02:05:45,403
Their indecision and their mistakes
2326
02:05:45,403 --> 02:05:48,904
and their-- is the reality
of what happened, you know?
2327
02:05:48,904 --> 02:05:51,612
Life isn't a "James Bond" movie.
2328
02:05:51,612 --> 02:05:53,237
Are you-- are you Wael Zwaiter?
2329
02:05:53,237 --> 02:05:55,487
He said yes already.
He already said yes.
2330
02:05:58,737 --> 02:06:00,779
What are we doing?
2331
02:06:04,737 --> 02:06:06,029
What do I do?
2332
02:06:06,029 --> 02:06:08,112
Do you know why we're here?
2333
02:06:18,987 --> 02:06:21,904
In "Munich," Spielberg is trying
to come to terms
2334
02:06:21,904 --> 02:06:23,987
with the war against terror.
2335
02:06:23,987 --> 02:06:28,445
And he doesn't know where he is on it.
2336
02:06:28,445 --> 02:06:30,737
He's-- he supports it,
2337
02:06:30,737 --> 02:06:34,487
but he's also disturbed by it.
2338
02:06:34,487 --> 02:06:36,529
And so, that's an example
2339
02:06:36,529 --> 02:06:39,320
of a kind of thoughtfulness
that goes into his work.
2340
02:06:39,320 --> 02:06:43,153
I mean, he's the Hollywood equivalent
of a public intellectual.
2341
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:55,987
I remember when we shot
the telephone bomb sequence.
2342
02:06:57,195 --> 02:06:58,987
In that one dolly shot,
2343
02:06:58,987 --> 02:07:02,237
you got a complete sense of the
geography of the entire scene.
2344
02:07:04,529 --> 02:07:07,278
It took three days to shoot the scene.
2345
02:07:07,278 --> 02:07:10,320
Everything had to be from
points of view.
2346
02:07:10,320 --> 02:07:12,779
There was the point of view
of the guys in the car.
2347
02:07:12,779 --> 02:07:17,029
So now we wait for the red light.
2348
02:07:17,029 --> 02:07:20,195
There was the point of view
of the man in the phone booth
2349
02:07:20,195 --> 02:07:21,862
who was gonna dial the number.
2350
02:07:21,862 --> 02:07:24,071
There was a point of view of Avner.
2351
02:07:24,071 --> 02:07:27,195
It's a triangle of shots.
2352
02:07:27,195 --> 02:07:29,570
Geography is one of the most
important things to me,
2353
02:07:29,570 --> 02:07:31,862
so the audience isn't thrown into chaos
2354
02:07:31,862 --> 02:07:33,654
trying to figure out
the story you're telling.
2355
02:07:33,654 --> 02:07:36,403
The audience needs to be
clearer than you.
2356
02:07:38,779 --> 02:07:40,695
- Is the truck blocking the signal?
- No.
2357
02:07:40,695 --> 02:07:42,195
Will the remote still work?
2358
02:07:42,195 --> 02:07:43,862
I can create suspense
2359
02:07:43,862 --> 02:07:47,237
if the audience knows
where all the players are,
2360
02:07:47,237 --> 02:07:48,821
and they know what the stakes are,
2361
02:07:48,821 --> 02:07:51,112
and they know that there's
a ticking clock.
2362
02:07:51,112 --> 02:07:53,487
Like the mom and daughter
that get into the car
2363
02:07:53,487 --> 02:07:56,779
and then wind up returning
because she forgot the glasses.
2364
02:08:05,529 --> 02:08:07,071
The suspense of that sequence
2365
02:08:07,071 --> 02:08:09,529
is letting the audience
know geographically
2366
02:08:09,529 --> 02:08:12,071
where everybody is at all times.
2367
02:08:12,071 --> 02:08:15,029
Allô? Allô?
2368
02:08:17,362 --> 02:08:18,737
Allô?
2369
02:08:37,278 --> 02:08:38,320
Stop!
2370
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,821
Stop, stop. Abort.
2371
02:08:44,153 --> 02:08:46,028
You're in the hands of somebody who
2372
02:08:46,029 --> 02:08:48,225
will always show you
what you need to see
2373
02:08:48,278 --> 02:08:52,029
in order to understand, on a
narrative level, what's happening.
2374
02:08:52,029 --> 02:08:54,112
And you'll also see a lot of things
2375
02:08:54,112 --> 02:08:56,695
that will help you understand
on deeper levels as well.
2376
02:08:56,695 --> 02:09:02,278
And that sort of narrative device
that's in his head
2377
02:09:02,278 --> 02:09:06,362
is, you know, I think
almost without precedent.
2378
02:09:12,153 --> 02:09:14,195
- Oui?
- Mahmoud Hamshari?
2379
02:09:14,195 --> 02:09:15,362
Yes.
2380
02:09:22,362 --> 02:09:25,946
We talked a great deal
about the politics
2381
02:09:25,946 --> 02:09:27,987
of making a movie like this.
2382
02:09:27,987 --> 02:09:30,445
How do you make a film that allows
2383
02:09:30,445 --> 02:09:32,320
for the possibility of understanding
2384
02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:35,987
why these men who murdered the athletes
2385
02:09:35,987 --> 02:09:37,153
did what they did?
2386
02:09:37,153 --> 02:09:40,695
Not in any way to excuse it,
2387
02:09:40,695 --> 02:09:43,654
but to try and comprehend it.
2388
02:09:43,654 --> 02:09:47,362
You kill Jews, and the world feels bad
for them and thinks you're animals.
2389
02:09:47,362 --> 02:09:49,821
Yes, but then the world will see
2390
02:09:49,821 --> 02:09:51,695
how they've made us into animals.
2391
02:09:51,695 --> 02:09:53,195
They'll start to ask questions
2392
02:09:53,195 --> 02:09:55,195
about the conditions in our cages.
2393
02:09:55,195 --> 02:09:58,029
The movie was perceived to be suffering
2394
02:09:58,029 --> 02:09:59,695
from a sense of moral equivalence,
2395
02:09:59,695 --> 02:10:03,237
which is really the bravest thing
about the movie.
2396
02:10:03,237 --> 02:10:07,737
It's looking for aspects of humanity
on both sides of this conflict.
2397
02:10:07,737 --> 02:10:11,362
Ambiguity is something that you don't
normally associate with Spielberg's films,
2398
02:10:11,362 --> 02:10:14,570
and "Munich" is the film
where he went the furthest
2399
02:10:14,570 --> 02:10:17,570
in the bluntness and the ferocity
2400
02:10:17,570 --> 02:10:19,654
with which he approached that subject.
2401
02:10:19,654 --> 02:10:21,862
Did we accomplish anything at all?
2402
02:10:21,862 --> 02:10:24,695
Every man we killed has been
replaced by worse!
2403
02:10:24,695 --> 02:10:27,612
Why cut my fingernails?
They'll grow back.
2404
02:10:27,612 --> 02:10:31,445
Did we kill to replace the terrorist
leadership or the Palestinian leadership?
2405
02:10:31,445 --> 02:10:33,237
You tell me what we've done.
2406
02:10:33,237 --> 02:10:36,987
You killed them for the sake of a
country you now choose to abandon.
2407
02:10:36,987 --> 02:10:39,403
The end of this film
is not celebratory--
2408
02:10:39,403 --> 02:10:41,445
rejoicing in the death of the enemy.
2409
02:10:41,445 --> 02:10:43,153
It is incredibly quiet,
2410
02:10:43,153 --> 02:10:44,737
and only on the second viewing
2411
02:10:44,737 --> 02:10:46,654
did I realize the Twin Towers
2412
02:10:46,654 --> 02:10:48,445
are revealed at the end.
2413
02:10:50,570 --> 02:10:52,779
We did several takes of that scene
2414
02:10:52,779 --> 02:10:55,403
without having that space in the frame,
2415
02:10:55,403 --> 02:10:56,904
and then we did one take
2416
02:10:56,904 --> 02:10:58,654
with having that space in the frame,
2417
02:10:58,654 --> 02:11:02,071
knowing that he would put the Towers in.
2418
02:11:02,071 --> 02:11:05,112
Steven knew that he's making
a controversial movie.
2419
02:11:05,112 --> 02:11:07,112
He just didn't want
to push the boundaries.
2420
02:11:07,112 --> 02:11:08,570
But then at the end, he realized,
2421
02:11:08,570 --> 02:11:10,570
"You know what?
I'm already doing it.
2422
02:11:10,570 --> 02:11:14,570
Why not just go and say
what I want to say, you know?"
2423
02:11:18,029 --> 02:11:21,570
I made the choice because
I wanted people to say
2424
02:11:21,570 --> 02:11:23,445
"Munich" is the context
2425
02:11:23,445 --> 02:11:26,612
for problems that exist in today's world
2426
02:11:26,612 --> 02:11:30,195
and basically are threatening
to all of us.
2427
02:11:30,195 --> 02:11:34,112
You know, history is its own reminder
2428
02:11:34,112 --> 02:11:38,278
of how bad things can get.
2429
02:11:38,278 --> 02:11:41,529
And if we don't solve these problems,
2430
02:11:41,529 --> 02:11:43,529
they accumulate.
2431
02:11:43,529 --> 02:11:45,445
And you can't--
there's no rug big enough
2432
02:11:45,445 --> 02:11:47,278
to sweep these problems under.
2433
02:11:47,278 --> 02:11:50,570
And eventually,
something is going to happen.
2434
02:11:50,570 --> 02:11:53,529
And so, "Munich" is a prayer for peace,
2435
02:11:53,529 --> 02:11:55,278
but peace the hard way.
2436
02:11:55,278 --> 02:11:58,320
You know, peace by discovering
within yourself
2437
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:00,862
your moral high ground.
2438
02:12:07,112 --> 02:12:09,029
All my films come
from the part of myself
2439
02:12:09,029 --> 02:12:11,112
that I really can't articulate.
2440
02:12:11,112 --> 02:12:13,946
I certainly have intuitive facilities,
2441
02:12:13,946 --> 02:12:16,821
but I don't really analyze those
or don't really question them.
2442
02:12:16,821 --> 02:12:19,195
It's like looking
a gift horse in the mouth,
2443
02:12:19,195 --> 02:12:22,237
and I'm almost superstitious
that if I start to question that,
2444
02:12:22,237 --> 02:12:24,445
it's gonna, you know, fly away.
2445
02:12:24,445 --> 02:12:27,153
I don't think there's
any doubt that Steven's work
2446
02:12:27,153 --> 02:12:29,779
deals with specific themes in his life,
2447
02:12:29,779 --> 02:12:33,237
which makes him
a real personal filmmaker.
2448
02:12:33,237 --> 02:12:38,029
Do you understand what we are saying
to you, Frank?
2449
02:12:38,029 --> 02:12:41,695
Your father and I are getting a divorce.
2450
02:12:41,695 --> 02:12:43,570
And his express through the images,
2451
02:12:43,570 --> 02:12:46,153
through the choice of story
and how he deals with character.
2452
02:12:50,529 --> 02:12:52,403
All of Steven's sensibilities
2453
02:12:52,403 --> 02:12:56,153
were right in tune
with this young man's journey.
2454
02:12:57,695 --> 02:12:59,737
You're immediately with this kid,
2455
02:12:59,737 --> 02:13:01,195
and no matter what he does,
2456
02:13:01,195 --> 02:13:03,278
you know he's searching
for some way back
2457
02:13:03,278 --> 02:13:06,362
to repairing this torn household.
2458
02:13:06,362 --> 02:13:10,029
- Have you tried to call her?
- No.
2459
02:13:10,029 --> 02:13:13,029
Why-- why don't
you call her right now?
2460
02:13:13,029 --> 02:13:14,946
Dad, why don't you call her right now?
Here.
2461
02:13:14,946 --> 02:13:16,737
Dad, just call her.
2462
02:13:16,737 --> 02:13:18,821
Call her for me. You call her.
2463
02:13:18,821 --> 02:13:21,737
You tell her I have two first-class
tickets to go see her son--
2464
02:13:21,737 --> 02:13:24,195
Your mother's married now
to my friend Jack Barnes.
2465
02:13:24,195 --> 02:13:27,570
- They have a house in Long Island.
- Oh, no.
2466
02:13:27,570 --> 02:13:29,403
So often in Spielberg's movies
2467
02:13:29,403 --> 02:13:31,071
the relationships that matter
2468
02:13:31,071 --> 02:13:33,612
are the relationships
between parent and children
2469
02:13:33,612 --> 02:13:37,237
or members of a family
or members of a community
2470
02:13:37,237 --> 02:13:40,487
bound by affection
and loyalty and responsibility.
2471
02:13:40,487 --> 02:13:43,278
It's a huge theme that comes up again
and again and again
2472
02:13:43,278 --> 02:13:45,570
in different phases of his own life
2473
02:13:45,570 --> 02:13:47,487
and in different stories.
2474
02:13:50,112 --> 02:13:51,862
Whoa! Hey!
2475
02:13:51,862 --> 02:13:54,071
Ronnie, hold it. Hold it. Wa--
2476
02:13:54,071 --> 02:13:55,112
Hold it.
2477
02:13:57,278 --> 02:13:59,445
Family is a big element in my life,
2478
02:13:59,445 --> 02:14:01,445
which is why so many of my stories
2479
02:14:01,445 --> 02:14:06,987
are about separation
and then reunification.
2480
02:14:06,987 --> 02:14:10,987
Even "Lincoln" is about separation
and reunification.
2481
02:14:25,987 --> 02:14:27,445
Barry!
2482
02:14:27,445 --> 02:14:29,529
I've made a lot of movies
2483
02:14:29,529 --> 02:14:33,320
about a family disintegrating
2484
02:14:33,320 --> 02:14:38,112
and then a family finding common ground
to reunite.
2485
02:14:45,362 --> 02:14:48,570
There's a sense that everything,
including the natural world,
2486
02:14:48,570 --> 02:14:52,112
conspires to pull people
2487
02:14:52,112 --> 02:14:55,237
or beings apart from one another
2488
02:14:55,237 --> 02:14:57,946
and then to return them.
2489
02:14:57,946 --> 02:14:59,570
It's like Shakespeare's romances.
2490
02:14:59,570 --> 02:15:05,570
There's a deep faith in his work that...
2491
02:15:05,570 --> 02:15:09,195
what's lost will in some way
be restored.
2492
02:15:09,195 --> 02:15:11,153
And I think he is searching for that
2493
02:15:11,153 --> 02:15:14,862
in almost all the films that he's made.
2494
02:15:18,821 --> 02:15:21,237
Now slowly.
2495
02:15:21,237 --> 02:15:23,112
My mom and dad
have a relationship today
2496
02:15:23,112 --> 02:15:25,529
which a writer in a storybook
2497
02:15:25,529 --> 02:15:27,862
would be accused of exaggeration.
2498
02:15:27,862 --> 02:15:30,403
I feel very lucky that
after all these years apart,
2499
02:15:30,403 --> 02:15:33,654
my parents spend quality time
with each other.
2500
02:15:33,654 --> 02:15:37,195
If you look at the first 18 years
2501
02:15:37,195 --> 02:15:39,862
of Steve's life and now, current day,
2502
02:15:39,862 --> 02:15:42,737
you would not know that there was a
huge chunk in the middle,
2503
02:15:42,737 --> 02:15:44,445
that there was a divorce
and a separation,
2504
02:15:44,445 --> 02:15:47,195
a lot of tears, and another man,
and another wife,
2505
02:15:47,195 --> 02:15:50,487
and, you know, it looks like we were
one continuous, happy family.
2506
02:15:50,487 --> 02:15:52,570
We just lost the reels
to the home movies
2507
02:15:52,570 --> 02:15:54,112
in the middle of life.
2508
02:15:54,112 --> 02:15:56,654
Now she's back in love with me.
2509
02:15:56,654 --> 02:15:57,862
Isn't that nice?
2510
02:15:59,529 --> 02:16:03,403
Oh, Leah.
2511
02:16:05,529 --> 02:16:07,612
Janusz, it'd be a better two-shot.
2512
02:16:07,612 --> 02:16:10,570
If Dougie is here, okay,
then it's not such a spread.
2513
02:16:10,570 --> 02:16:14,278
- So, it's not a single. It's over here.
- No, no, it's a single.
2514
02:16:14,278 --> 02:16:17,445
When we start pulling back,
Dougie comes into the shot sooner.
2515
02:16:17,445 --> 02:16:18,695
And then we continue with the move?
2516
02:16:18,695 --> 02:16:19,987
Yeah, we continue with the move,
2517
02:16:19,987 --> 02:16:21,779
but right now it looks like
2518
02:16:21,779 --> 02:16:24,195
- there's nothing in the center
but the window.
- Got you.
2519
02:16:24,195 --> 02:16:27,695
Steven loves to be a part
of a big gang of people
2520
02:16:27,695 --> 02:16:30,362
and the company of filmmakers
who are making a movie.
2521
02:16:30,362 --> 02:16:32,695
It's a big, great club.
It's a big, great family.
2522
02:16:32,695 --> 02:16:36,779
- Tom, action.
- I think it defines Steven's filmmaking
2523
02:16:36,779 --> 02:16:38,445
in many, many different ways
2524
02:16:38,445 --> 02:16:42,821
because Steven is grounded
and feels very safe
2525
02:16:42,821 --> 02:16:46,112
inside an environment with family.
2526
02:16:46,112 --> 02:16:48,403
He likes close relationships
2527
02:16:48,403 --> 02:16:51,737
with a few people who he trusts
2528
02:16:51,737 --> 02:16:54,278
and he can open his life up to.
2529
02:16:54,278 --> 02:16:56,612
And then he's very reluctant
to have anybody leave.
2530
02:16:56,612 --> 02:16:58,779
That's it right there.
It looks great.
2531
02:16:58,779 --> 02:17:00,612
We work for Steven.
2532
02:17:00,612 --> 02:17:03,946
He's the boss, but he encourages
people with talent
2533
02:17:03,946 --> 02:17:06,654
to use the talent,
to be brave with it,
2534
02:17:06,654 --> 02:17:08,153
to take risks,
2535
02:17:08,153 --> 02:17:10,695
because he wants to be
stimulated as a filmmaker,
2536
02:17:10,695 --> 02:17:12,987
but those who he works with,
you know.
2537
02:17:12,987 --> 02:17:15,403
And that's a really good quality
in a filmmaker.
2538
02:17:15,403 --> 02:17:17,320
He's very collaborative.
2539
02:17:17,320 --> 02:17:19,320
He uses his people over and over again
on the films
2540
02:17:19,320 --> 02:17:21,487
because we already speak
a shorthand to each other.
2541
02:17:21,487 --> 02:17:23,946
- We've all worked together.
- And they'd come on to full size...
2542
02:17:23,946 --> 02:17:25,904
He understands that people
and can serve him
2543
02:17:25,904 --> 02:17:28,362
and how to synchronize
his wishes with your own.
2544
02:17:28,362 --> 02:17:30,195
He would've made a great general.
2545
02:17:30,195 --> 02:17:32,445
If you could say that a film unit
2546
02:17:32,445 --> 02:17:35,153
can be like a Special Forces film crew,
2547
02:17:35,153 --> 02:17:36,529
that's what he has.
2548
02:17:36,529 --> 02:17:39,153
His team works so fast,
2549
02:17:39,153 --> 02:17:42,612
so hard getting through
a lot every day.
2550
02:17:42,612 --> 02:17:44,403
Everybody on their feet, applauding.
2551
02:17:44,403 --> 02:17:45,987
And I think you could come to grief
2552
02:17:45,987 --> 02:17:47,862
very, very quickly on Steven's set
2553
02:17:47,862 --> 02:17:49,821
if you weren't very well prepared.
2554
02:17:49,821 --> 02:17:51,195
Everyone has to be.
2555
02:17:51,195 --> 02:17:53,487
And that creates incredible energy.
2556
02:17:56,445 --> 02:18:00,112
I work with my peeps,
and I have for decades.
2557
02:18:00,112 --> 02:18:02,153
I mean, I don't know
what I would do without them.
2558
02:18:02,153 --> 02:18:05,237
Roll sound.
Roll!
2559
02:18:06,654 --> 02:18:09,112
I can't really have sanity
2560
02:18:09,112 --> 02:18:11,695
unless I have familiarity.
2561
02:18:11,695 --> 02:18:13,612
And it's just an extraordinary family
2562
02:18:13,612 --> 02:18:16,737
that I've been able to assemble
over all these years.
2563
02:18:16,737 --> 02:18:19,195
I love being part of his tapestry,
2564
02:18:19,195 --> 02:18:21,445
so to speak, you know,
like "Fiddler on the Roof."
2565
02:18:21,445 --> 02:18:24,654
♪ After 37 years, it's nice to know... ♪
You know?
2566
02:18:24,654 --> 02:18:27,529
Michael Kahn and I are blood brothers.
2567
02:18:27,529 --> 02:18:30,195
He started with me on
"Close Encounters of the Third Kind,"
2568
02:18:30,195 --> 02:18:34,695
and except for one time, he's edited
every movie I made since then.
2569
02:18:34,695 --> 02:18:37,862
Janusz Kaminski has done everything
since "Schindler's List."
2570
02:18:37,862 --> 02:18:41,862
But John Williams
is my oldest collaboration,
2571
02:18:41,862 --> 02:18:45,487
and I depend on Johnny more than
I've depended on anybody
2572
02:18:45,487 --> 02:18:47,946
to rewrite my movies musically
2573
02:18:47,946 --> 02:18:51,904
and put them a rung higher
than I ever could reach.
2574
02:18:51,904 --> 02:18:54,445
You know, if I had to go back and recast
2575
02:18:54,445 --> 02:18:57,570
the creative team surrounding me,
2576
02:18:57,570 --> 02:19:00,987
I wouldn't be able to work
as often as I do.
2577
02:19:00,987 --> 02:19:02,403
It'd be impossible.
2578
02:19:04,904 --> 02:19:08,029
Steven looks at movies constantly
2579
02:19:08,029 --> 02:19:10,320
and over and over and over again,
2580
02:19:10,320 --> 02:19:14,153
referencing shots and framing and ideas.
2581
02:19:14,153 --> 02:19:16,862
That's something Steven does
all the time.
2582
02:19:20,695 --> 02:19:23,403
Great filmmakers' works
live on to create
2583
02:19:23,403 --> 02:19:26,904
tremendous moments of inspiration.
2584
02:19:26,904 --> 02:19:29,737
And so, one of the films
I still see every year
2585
02:19:29,737 --> 02:19:31,654
is "Lawrence of Arabia."
2586
02:19:39,612 --> 02:19:42,695
The shots, the sheer vistas,
2587
02:19:42,695 --> 02:19:46,029
and the portrait
of such a complex character,
2588
02:19:46,029 --> 02:19:48,153
it's pure moviemaking.
2589
02:19:48,153 --> 02:19:49,737
Hey!
2590
02:19:49,737 --> 02:19:53,278
Hey! Hey! Hey!
2591
02:20:00,029 --> 02:20:01,946
Who are you?
2592
02:20:03,987 --> 02:20:06,987
Who are you?
2593
02:20:06,987 --> 02:20:08,695
Steven has always wanted to work
2594
02:20:08,695 --> 02:20:12,320
in a kind of big, you know,
historical canvass like that,
2595
02:20:12,320 --> 02:20:15,112
and it took many movies
before he accomplished
2596
02:20:15,112 --> 02:20:19,112
that level of masterly filmmaking.
2597
02:20:19,112 --> 02:20:21,821
Many years ago, Pauline Kael
gave me a really great review
2598
02:20:21,821 --> 02:20:23,987
on "Sugarland Express,"
but she said,
2599
02:20:23,987 --> 02:20:26,570
"Whatever's on the surface
might be all that is there.
2600
02:20:26,570 --> 02:20:28,071
There may be nothing behind that."
2601
02:20:28,071 --> 02:20:30,320
And she was absolutely right.
2602
02:20:30,320 --> 02:20:33,695
I hadn't grown up yet
through the movies.
2603
02:20:33,695 --> 02:20:35,862
That was going to come in time.
2604
02:20:42,362 --> 02:20:46,153
Take a look at what he's done
over close to 50 years.
2605
02:20:48,612 --> 02:20:51,112
There's certainly a lot of variety.
2606
02:20:53,320 --> 02:20:57,612
There are some things he's done
that haven't worked,
2607
02:20:57,612 --> 02:21:00,654
but there is absolutely
nobody like him
2608
02:21:00,654 --> 02:21:03,529
and no film career trajectory
2609
02:21:03,529 --> 02:21:07,237
that is anything like his
in the history of film.
2610
02:21:07,237 --> 02:21:11,362
He speaks cinema
as if it's his native language.
2611
02:21:11,362 --> 02:21:14,153
He is so fluent in it
that he does things
2612
02:21:14,153 --> 02:21:16,195
that nobody else
would dare to do
2613
02:21:16,195 --> 02:21:18,612
and they are instantly recognizable
2614
02:21:18,612 --> 02:21:21,737
as things that are purely his.
2615
02:21:21,737 --> 02:21:25,695
He has a dynamic sense
of real filmmaking.
2616
02:21:25,695 --> 02:21:27,403
I'm talking about filmmaking of--
2617
02:21:27,403 --> 02:21:30,362
in the great narrative tradition
of American cinema.
2618
02:21:31,529 --> 02:21:32,946
Steven was blessed
2619
02:21:32,946 --> 02:21:35,237
in that he could be commercial
2620
02:21:35,237 --> 02:21:37,112
and he could do art.
2621
02:21:37,112 --> 02:21:39,403
That's why I always compare him
2622
02:21:39,403 --> 02:21:40,987
to a kind of George Gershwin,
2623
02:21:40,987 --> 02:21:43,570
because Gershwin could write
a Broadway show
2624
02:21:43,570 --> 02:21:45,987
or he could write "Concerto in F."
2625
02:21:45,987 --> 02:21:48,737
He could do both,
and very few people can do both.
2626
02:21:48,737 --> 02:21:50,612
And Steven can do both.
2627
02:21:50,612 --> 02:21:53,570
And that's a talent
you have to be born with.
2628
02:21:56,071 --> 02:21:57,862
You think of that young kid in Arizona,
2629
02:21:57,862 --> 02:21:59,237
in the desert, watching movies,
2630
02:21:59,237 --> 02:22:01,445
watching television incessantly,
2631
02:22:01,445 --> 02:22:04,612
one day sneaking his way
into a studio,
2632
02:22:04,612 --> 02:22:06,904
and manifesting his own destiny.
2633
02:22:06,904 --> 02:22:09,737
It's a pretty fantastic Hollywood story.
2634
02:22:11,612 --> 02:22:14,487
He's found a way to take
his view of the world,
2635
02:22:14,487 --> 02:22:19,153
his wishful thinking, his optimism,
2636
02:22:19,153 --> 02:22:23,237
and also his uncanny sense
of the thrill,
2637
02:22:23,237 --> 02:22:24,946
and sort of galvanize
the whole thing
2638
02:22:24,946 --> 02:22:27,737
into whatever the story is
he's telling.
2639
02:22:27,737 --> 02:22:30,112
It's authentically him.
2640
02:22:32,737 --> 02:22:34,612
Steven has a part of him
2641
02:22:34,612 --> 02:22:36,612
that wants to see something good
2642
02:22:36,612 --> 02:22:38,320
in the darkest of the dark
2643
02:22:38,320 --> 02:22:41,112
or that wants to just have a playtime.
2644
02:22:45,654 --> 02:22:48,987
And there may be people
who say he's not edgy enough
2645
02:22:48,987 --> 02:22:53,112
or he's not bitter enough,
he's not quirky enough,
2646
02:22:53,112 --> 02:22:55,612
or he's not dark enough,
2647
02:22:55,612 --> 02:22:58,821
but when it's all over
and said and done,
2648
02:22:58,821 --> 02:23:02,821
what Steven has left is enormous.
2649
02:23:04,487 --> 02:23:07,987
To have both humor
and suspense
2650
02:23:07,987 --> 02:23:10,529
and adventure and heart
2651
02:23:10,529 --> 02:23:14,320
through his grand eyes
of storytelling
2652
02:23:14,320 --> 02:23:17,737
is a hell of a good thing.
2653
02:23:17,737 --> 02:23:21,612
Steven still has an enormous appetite
2654
02:23:21,612 --> 02:23:23,821
for the work that he does.
2655
02:23:23,821 --> 02:23:26,071
It's quite a rare thing.
2656
02:23:26,071 --> 02:23:29,487
You know, we all have,
probably, a shelf life.
2657
02:23:31,487 --> 02:23:34,737
Yes, we probably go
past that shelf life,
2658
02:23:34,737 --> 02:23:37,904
most of us,
without even knowing it.
2659
02:23:37,904 --> 02:23:42,362
But in his case, I think, till the day
he dies, he'll be doing work
2660
02:23:42,362 --> 02:23:47,695
that he feels absolutely
viscerally compelled to do.
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