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early 80s in Flint Michigan we looked

like we were on our way to writing

festival you know we had like denim

vests with patches all over them but at

the same time we were all pretty nerdy

like we weren't really into like

heavy-duty drugs or anything like that

we smoked pot drank and stuff but we

weren't like we were to create we did

acid once in a while so it was kind of

like we were just as nerdy as kids that

were into Star Wars but we were into

and that came over one day and he was

like cool then I'm like yeah buy a

guitar dude we'll start a band and he

bought a guitar like within like a month

he was one of those people that just

took to it like a moth to a flame

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we found a copy of his fanzine called

sledgehammer press we recorded our stuff

and sent it out and that was the first

time we ever recorded anything where we

it was we didn't have a studio but we

did like do several takes and edited

together three really good basement

recordings that was the first lineup of

the band pretty much that was where we

started calling it genocide

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I got this book for for Christmas when I

was a kid there was a little bit in here

about Roman Polanski's repulsion and

this photo I found it to be really

haunting we started getting letters from

other bands that were called genocide

and you know obviously the name genocide

is a horrible name I was like cool this

is a good opportunity we have to change

in it

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when I actually heard repulsion for the

first time it blew my mind

because I was like oh my god it's okay

for me to play like this like I thought

it was the weirdest thing like nobody

would like it or whatever like not only

is this okay it's like everybody's

influence we're all sure they know first

Costigan

we went to a hardcore show and saw what

it was all about and like found the

promoter they were really cool and they

just took a chance on this until we

started playing really fast and then I

think people just didn't know what to

make if it didn't matter whether they

were punk or metal when we like locked

on to the repulsion formula there were

very few people that actually liked our

music

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so what happened was Matt and I went to

Florida in early 85

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truck was amazing but it just wasn't

working out what do we do now we we need

to get a band going there was an article

in the paper about a group of friends

who had been busted for grave robbing

and one of them was a guy named Dave

Hollingshead who was also a drummer we

we got him to start playing like speed

metal sort of beats like Slayer but he

had never done it before so when you're

playing like double-time on the hi-hats

he couldn't really do that at least not

fast enough to really you know blow

somebody's head off so we just kind of

said all right just cheat we used to

call it the cheap beat hit the hi-hat

every other time as fast as possible

your basic default blasts feet one foot

not two feet one kick drum snare and

it's all in sync it's not all sloppy and

shit like good - good - good it's just

like constant that's the single most

important fundamental I think it's the

rudiment that changed everything the

blast beat

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other so many there's the traditional

blast alternating

you know there's no cheating as I

referred to it when I was a kid

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over time he got so good at the cheap

beat that it went from you know being

like the speed of like a slaughter to

this machine gun son what are you here

on the repulsion elbow

we were planning on releasing it as an

album but we were very disappointed in

the way the recording turned out the

repulsion to recordings from 86 they

were only released on CD 89 90 by

necrosis records because nobody wanted

to release a demo of repulsion because

it was too noisy

the grizzle in the base that's grind the

grinding bass sound you know came from

like scott carlson when they went to go

mix it they realized that they wiped his

actual bass tracks so they just ended up

using the scratch track you know and and

it all great things comes complete

accidents out some pretty uncommon

karting that it was an unfinished album

that's what what it was and I just

started circulating in and selling it on

tape because well I think we're gonna

have to try this one more time

Flint Michigan is is definitely part of

our sound my dad works in the auto

factory Matt's dad worked in auto

factory Aaron's dad drove a truck that

delivered automobiles made in the

automobile factory two dealerships all

over the Midwest that's your future like

you're gonna be working in an auto

factory

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unbelievably working-class iGrill got a

level working class it literally was

just terrible acts in the horizon and

smokestacks and factories and the smell

of chemicals and was hard to

contextualise because thought you lived

it you lived in that you went to school

in that you

I knew faced hostility you know on a

daily basis

initially I was I was brought up in a

house that was literally a cut there a

commune which was basically full of

heroin addicts which my father was one

there's a seven-year-old that's exposed

then to let the Sex Pistols the damned

clash Stranglers and a pretty much

discovered industrial music purely

accidentally this is where I met Nick

Baumann

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and this way basically led me towards

joining napalm death

famously I booked napalm death on a show

their secondary showed it was 1983 we're

going way back and a Boat Club in

Nottingham next to the river here there

were 14 years old just blowing mines

really the plates white 60 people if

that but it was you knew something was

pretty special well I did anyway having

something that was more reminiscent of

Killing Joke or very early in lyrics in

early swans we want to follow this into

a melting pot and speeded up you know we

couldn't actually do it with the

original drummer who ironically was one

of the founding members of napalm death

a guy called rat or miles right alleges

he was known in there who unfortunately

for four miles rat me and Nick we're

starting to talk about that he couldn't

play fast enough and this is when we

happened upon Nick Harris you know Nick

Harris was fucking wild he was a force

of nature it was not not human he

carries something come on to me a napalm

death gig and I was really enamored with

his energy it's funny that we arrived

there eventually becoming gravitates

blastbeats you know because for a minute

there we could have been actually

playing very tribal sand in post-punk

very sorts of revelations and we first

had siege

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it blows my mind that ends like napalm

death and drop dead who you know got

their name from drop dead the bands that

good you know call us an influence it's

a it's very much an honor for that

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a lot of bands achieve their speed

through what drummers will call a cheap

beat they'll simplify the beat to make

the music faster but Rob never did that

Rob played the full British discharge

beat only at a much higher tempo he was

just a really raging drummer

discharge would have been the biggest

influence on see agent on a lot of us at

that period of time just as discharge

hated Thatcher's England siege hated

Reagan's America I mean a lot of the

story of the grindcore thing really does

come out of the hardcore punk scene in

the UK

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the grind scene I find it more political

than the metal scene generally I think

that comes from the punk roots probably

and like all the DIY aspect bands are

closer to you know the punk spirit and

the punk vision punk has always been

political music I'm not saying there

isn't political people in metal but it

was always more about music with metal

whereas punk was always more about the

politics well a hardcore punk a lot of

people had a lot of things to say you

know I want to be different and I want

to repel and all these other people are

lame and the metal guys they're like I

want to master my instrument and play it

better than anyone

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the outside was recorded I think for

potential release as a split album that

was the thing back then

Justin basically gave me the tapes and

said well sold them to me and I'm like

right now I need the b-side Justin

became a little bit disillusioned but he

was friends with a band called head of

David he left and they were their

guitarist and Nick Bolen actually asked

me to play guitar this is between sorry

side and b-side on scrum I said yes I'll

do it

and I went back with them but I kind of

chickened out you know either I just

lost my nerve and so the band went

through a weird period humans were they

weren't really doing much

so Mick Paris was kind of left on his

own and he recruited leader Ian bill

steer as Mick got a new lineup together

the idea was let's do another recording

and have an A & B side so that kind of

the way it turned out

almost two different bands make Harris

being the only constant bit crazier I

mean they never rehearsed they never

planned anything it's hard to explain

how unprofessional II was looking back

on it it was just a very fun outlet

initially but I didn't think I was gonna

go anywhere I mean even being in a band

was a bit of a fantasy really John Peel

in the UK is a very famous name because

that's a DJ whose career spans decades

so you going back to you know the

Beatles era I guess as the years went by

he managed to attach himself more and

more to the extreme fringes of music I

was exposed to so much music thanks to

John / Alena I was a 10 year old kid

with a tiny little radio that wireless

radio battery-operated radio listening

in bed when I should have been going to

school so you can imagine the first time

I heard John Peel play anything off scum

I'd left the band by the time he first

plates gone

that very night he played Aetna David

straight after you played the track up

Scott side Armour and it was like oh my

god you know I mean this is this is who

the who I grew up listening to is now

just played not only a John Peel session

of a band I've just joined and now Scott

and napalm death just fucking blow up

ephra

the momentum from napalm was so rapid

because of what you did for the bands

was a very brave thing I mean you know

even though days when something's

confrontational people clap people

finally I want to digest you know but

back then I think it was even harder it

was just hard to take in you know you're

just a kid and your musics being played

on national radio

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well Mickey came up with the term it

didn't come from the press as many

people think or even the underground

press it was Mickey a lot of alternative

indie magazines were then focusing on

grunkle to them it was completely new

thing even though it to mean a bomb dev

was a really fast hardcore metal band

when the Tim growing call came in that

was a whole different spectrum than

really all hardcore kids were like man

you heard this fucking scum record it's

completely ridiculous place I'd to first

place I - don't play side one side one

kind of sucks place I - and I'm like

really what's it like you say oh man it

sounds like fucking Popeye screaming -

people

the same was still changing I think at

that point it definitely changed on the

second half I'm not saying I was I

wouldn't say I was the conscious part of

it was just going that way really and so

the first thing I actually recorded with

him was actually a John Peel radio

session I didn't play the show with him

so he did a couple of new songs on that

it wasn't until you the second album

really from enslavement where we used

the songs that I'd written

I was at a store in Houston a good at

Houston a lot for shows and we goodies

they had really good record stores and I

found napalm death from enslavement to

obliteration and marker it was written

fastest band in the world this is the

fastest album ever made and I was like

oh man I gotta have that so I went out

and bought it I put it on the first

songs perfectly slow I'm like this isn't

fast man I just I'm not into this at all

then right after just kicks and it takes

off for the entire fucking record that

second song kicked in it was like

plugging in a Christmas tree

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from enslavement scum those records are

just groundbreaking we wouldn't be

sitting here talking about this if those

records didn't exist

one PLF from houston texas let's fuck

the grind

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I'll be sure to weep do you good depends

yeah sometimes maybe like Wow -

sometimes like five or six a week

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like when I first heard like insect

warfare when I was like maybe 50 years

old I just said wow you know that's the

fucking heavy shit I ever heard in my

life

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it's a very honest Jean or two and just

pretty much play as fast as you can

scream scream as loud as you can just

fucking go balls out

it's pretty fucking extreme I like

knowledge the fact that the average

population doesn't gently think his

music you know it just keeps getting

fucked up

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we call it music but for maybe like most

like random like normal people they

think this is noise especially where I'm

from for sure like compared to like

Asian pop like like k-pop k-pop whatever

that's like this is like noise but for

us this is true music but I think the

thing that uh all things grind that

lightly

really like to held it all in for me was

Terrorizer like Terrorizer the like one

and only American grind band like Jesus

Christ

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my original band was Terrorizer back in

8089 back then it's kids we didn't have

much there are a couple petals which

he's you know a couple petals and

whatever we had and just try to get the

best sound out of them this one guy used

to come see us practice all the time and

he told us he had a drummer well the guy

takes off half an hour later he walks in

with Pete

well back then there was not many

drummers that were doing the blast it

was just speed you know thrash black

metal I just wanted to take it to the

next level I know I wanted to play like

double the skank beep he looks like he's

putting out a cigarette and there's a

swivel thing and so he gets like a like

a double bounce goin

when me and Jesse heard that right there

and then we told them well do you want

to join the band

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I remember Jessie was uh yes he was

riding with David Vincent dear Vincent

was asking Jessie that where could they

find on to her leg Pete and Jesse gave

him up Jessica well you could have our

drummer

that's when Pete told me that they

rented them sent him a ticket about a

Florida and I mean I got piss because he

took off on us then just you already

made his move I guess he was gonna go

play with napalm I already already right

into Jesse and a couple days before and

going over to keep ahead of the morning

because he'd never the time difference

between England and LA I think

originally thought it was just for one

two or any and it was painful

well many albums you know there was not

a lot of interesting Terrorizer and plus

this other bands worlds were were big

bands you know morbid NGOs they had like

a beginning of a history you know what I

mean so it was something cool nice for

me to join bands like that and then with

napalm Dave another big band so he was

what was supposed to be a man I don't

really know what happened to terrorize

after that you know many years passed it

was just a one album by Terrorizer there

was basically make napalm death and

mobile angel members because we were

under contract for two albums and you

know I was a Pete scheduled real busy

with more became John same thing with

Jesse I mean we are close a couple of

times but it never happened and you know

I wish they would have and eat much at

mr. na I don't talk to no it's as bad

things between me and him right now

supposedly I gave up on Terrorizer and

you know I didn't give up and a chance

which are if we heed to talk to more

Bakr and Jesse took up was uh was nape

on then from there on Nana and just

don't really talk to him at all

I did a radio show at the University of

Ottawa a metal radio show with a friend

of mine and I was discovering a lot of

bands that way and the way I got into

grindcore was one day he put on brutal

truths walking corpse from extreme

conditions it's such a classic song the

way it starts with like this tear and I

think

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I'm gonna play this aggressive stuff too

I want to do this who am I gonna get to

play with me and I thought of Scott and

Brent Brent had a permanent nickname

gern gern blanston one of Steve Martin's

characters on Saturday Night Live

we formed as a three-piece so I might

fuck this regarding a singer

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pete'll is just obscene stirrer he'd

already gone to the grind crushed root

or and england's and everything and

wrote for cmj college music journal me

and dan we're doing something else and

then he got really tired of fucking

doing vocals i recorded something with a

drum machine and had him sit over it

some of those riffs actually turned into

denial of existence

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back in the early days of brutal truth

we didn't have ear we just borrowed

everything if we were going to play

Rhode Island or something like that

instead of like getting a van or

something like that we would just all

fucking hop a train

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I was hanging out with people like my

friend Jim Welch who at the time was

running Eric USA and all these fans were

already on Eric and we were friends with

Jim it seemed logical that that would be

a natural label to go to they just

captured the attention of Dave that

Danny look I resented grindcore bands

and they were Serifos to be fast as hell

it's the right for maximum rock'n'roll

fanzine in the states I was like that UK

correspondent if you like I dabbled with

promoting I didn't know at the time I'm

a bit of an organizing kind of guy now

you know I taped traded with dig back in

the day and also had a publicity job at

the record label I went from being a

music fan to a facilitator or whatever

it's been called that's what Eric did we

were facilitators initiators that's what

I do

I'm like I'm ringing bags up get in the

studio do this quite forceful sometimes

to do it

in the earache history when the American

bands were getting signed they're a bit

of a bit more professionalism came in we

started rehearsing a lot writing more

music and that's when the whole speed

factor came into being it worked out

good that we answered up getting

somebody that had never played grindcore

before because we were able to kind of

bold him a little bit rich was

straight-up punk rock he came from that

Philly punk scene so you know grind was

absolutely new to him I mean it was the

kind of thing where like I joined the

band and then two or three weeks later

we like went somewhere to like write an

album and then right from that we left

for a tour and then I played 250 or more

shows a year for the next through five

or six years

I wanted to be faster I just wanted I

didn't have an attention span

I wanted fast

the intensity yeah that's a better word

intensity not speed you know it's

supposed to be like really intense it

actually is pretty much addictive I

think you know that ventolin you get

more alive I'm a huge adrenaline junkie

and it's just great to be part of this

huge thunderous noise

music is therapy for a lot of people I

mean you if you don't play you start

your day driving into work at 5:30 in

the morning you hate your boss you know

somebody ran over your cat or your dog

and you're just pissed off and you just

unleash it's sort of like my art you

know you know I don't really play music

i dumbed I'm not really a trained

drummer I just sort of enjoy grinding I

like to play grind and I like to do

grind vocals and yell and play super

fast and it's very much of a emotional

and physical sort of uh outlet for me

so many bouncers dude grindcore they

have they lack the passion they lack the

urgency I mean I still don't know the

exact reason why those guys quit napalm

death they couldn't really see beyond

playing - like 60 people in their minds

and in everyone's mind really it was a

small scene how could it how could it

ever get bigger but things happened so

quickly six months in the band back then

was like a lifetime I viewed napalm as

this thing's just supposed to be very

extreme like a short sharp shock and I

didn't really see it as having much

longevity and which sounds ridiculous

now obviously but that's kind of how I

looked at it Lee and Bill had left after

a Japanese sewer for various reasons I

was pretty devastated really but we knew

Barney because Barney wasn't singing in

their benediction shine and Mickey knew

what I could do we thought Barney would

be a good person to come in because had

a lot of energy

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I was kind of that token roadie who did

nothing except drink and maybe lift a

cabinet I feel your odds down the road

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people you know to walk into a room nice

to hate everybody hates everything

napalm is a paradox as are many other

bands of this ilk we have very very

aggressive extreme violent sounding

which is the important part music

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in the ground when you run the wall

but on the other side of things the

lyrics are peaceful tolerance humane

people sights it's a political band and

I wouldn't necessarily discount that but

at the same time I also understand that

politics can also mean nothing

it can be very tokenistic very divisive

the starting point is to bring people

together not force on the path so my

thing is like the underline thing for me

is a humane humanitarian standpoint yes

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this kind of music was always really

integrated with like giving a shit about

things and I think that's kind of assess

something about the general you know

attitude

it was the extremity which was the most

important but it was also the you know

the opportunity to actually say

something in your you know and you're

with your band and your lyrics

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what did we do that was so bad it is

offensive it's stupid it's it's it's

it's blue humor it's it's dumb it's

childish

it's sophomoric but we know it

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she said I saw that shirt that's your

band you're in a band called anal cunt

and she was crying and I'm just like I'm

trying to justify it I'm like I got

nothing i got nothing i broke my

mother's heart this sucks

I didn't mean to do that fuck oh well

shit there I am with hair like an

asshole this is my favorite they fucking

hate that cover it's so stupid

this is the Unplugged album 80 its own

EP original Mike pretty Mike pretty much

paid for this Mike Mike was doing one of

us who had a job that made money he was

a he was a press operator and like and

like some like print shop and I think

Seth pretty much convinced him like all

right so you can be like 200 dollars a

week and we'll get this record I was

okay sure Seth would make up bands

fucking constantly he would make up ants

death metal bands with like his cousin

are as friends or something and they

make a demo tape and they'd say is real

bad yeah I lose pinnacled shoots come

and says like oh yeah well I have this

band called anal cunt yeah we're gonna

play a show man we don't even have music

man we just fucking let go crazy you

just say oh yeah oh yeah you should come

see us and then he had to make the band

Oh

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our first show ever was a rehearsal and

we played in front of his mother his two

brothers Easter Sunday no joke and I

remember his grandmother just like this

just you guys are gonna get yourself

killed if you do that

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there are times when that's good when

the crowd wants it but there are times

when it's like you know I mean there's

one time we played you play Texas and he

was doing the microphone thing and he

hit John square in the head cut his head

open knocked him down started bleeding

and he's bleeding he's cleaning his

bleeding I grabbed the mic from Seth and

I'm like I need I need a towel I need a

towel I need something and he cut his

head open

Seth grabbed it's a mic for music yeah

and I need two sprites with no ice

somebody knocked mine over you know I

mean that's what you had to deal with

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I never listened to them myself that's

not kind of music they never attracted

me um you know I don't think everybody

it's crying with ain't no conduct and

there was enough other big grind bands

that anybody knows a bit well it's just

a subs all right now I can respect like

the noise aspect I can get that and then

I guess they also get like a little bit

of a pass because there's like they

started it I guess I don't think they

were really ever that serious of a band

but you know they became more of a real

band after a few years I do not like

anal cunt I think Seth Putnam his piece

of shit everyone's like all you have no

sense of humor all right why don't

fucking said fuck him as a piece of shit

the art that he created it reflected

that he was in this insensitive piece of

fucking garbage that thought that

everything everyone else's pain was like

one big fucking joke he was probably

like you'd expect he was a handful at

times he's a he's a really smart guy

though he wasn't a complete maniac but

he definitely knew how to play his part

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I had already gotten tired of the gigs

and traveling because I was the only one

that could rent a vehicle and all that

was when they had a car only one had a

credit card so I could see that it was

it was leaning a lot on on me and my

resources for doing it so Tim told me he

wanted to get out and I told him I

wanted to get out too

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it got really bad it got it got really

stressful sometimes it would be great

you know sometimes the crowd would be

crazy and the crowd would be with it and

then would be great or and sometimes it

would be really hard

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yeah let's get some of these tats this

is the grind pressure tattoo you know

the compilation help you for yeah Jack

mastering besides that distance I got

Barclays really old-school thing this is

a typical kids show here in Quebec a

classic show from the 70s and in the 80s

every every band from the crew you know

my first band was like discharged it's

more like a noise project that's still

going on today was I started that like

in 1990 with chainsaw we're still doing

this on and off since like the past 25

years but my first actual real grind ban

was things

I met Fred in school and we started

Mesrine like in 1997

for a while we were pretty much the only

two bands around we know everybody from

the same witches from Quebec City to

Montreal even a tower in Toronto it's a

small scene small world

when it's drank or

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five days you know starting Wednesday

finish like Sunday night 17 hours of

music

this year we had the best festival in

history unit such a great show like sob

to rise early you know the people just

think since first band till last ban

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what what's the scene like beer brand

new mix of like metal and punks that

just coming together doing a show man

I could get us geo dia the same day we

said Jigga up psycho yesterday there

were so many great bands and you don't

expect that kind of bands to play you're

you're part of the world

do you like this scene we like to give

the chance you know to play really big

stage with massive sound even for that

bands no one knows because I think you

always come to the option action for big

names but then you are surprised with

the small one

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it's just getting friends together

drinking beers and having some grindcore

moments

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there's no riffs it's just like you do

whatever the fuck you there's no real

patterns

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you gotta you gotta understand why

they're legendary and why you're not

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you're playing no score in 2015

you won't be as a jewelry as discharging

with everything you know in the Hades

the name

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sort of like a joke - you know it's you

do it for fun you know you can't take

that stuff serious you know yeah I think

if you take noise core seriously you're

a bit fucked you know what is happening

what is what is going on here this is

just the greatest stuff in the world

nobody knows how to do what they're

doing and everything's great you know

what how is this not how is this like it

it's reinventing music and not inventing

anything

it makes sense of business girls and

bands - what I noticed there's this girl

listening to that kind of music to me

I'm someone in a band enough music ice

cream that's it and I never over

analyzed it I never felt and I always

felt comfortable you know we're all

metalheads so we we kind of already have

that attitude of like fucky you can't

tell me how to live my life right it

comes with the territory like it so I

think that allows people within our

community to look at me and go awesome

she's doing her own thing she's not

letting people tell her what to do and

so then therefore there's like a lot of

acceptance that at least I I feel I

receive I don't I I haven't felt any

negative responses even though I've seen

them on the internet right

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taking hormones doesn't change your

vocal chords it doesn't change the size

of them like once they're shaped the

shape that's it so you could get a

surgery to change it but it's wildly

successful so the way I learned to

change my voice was by finding a female

vocalist who was within my range that I

could sing and I would put her CD on in

my car and sing along with her when it

comes to doing vocals I'm kind of a

strong believer that you shouldn't

change the vocalist of a band if you can

help it because there's a lot of

character in there

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I wanted to do something in between

Scotty you know from repulsion and

Barney from napalm death I got to hang

out with Barney a lot and we were

talking about his his vocal delivery and

that it's really hard to mix him because

he his vocals are so like projected that

they just clip everything right and I

was like that is fucking cool like I

want to do that

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okay recording every guy all right you

know before this video dies like I just

want to say this corner Saxons it's the

last great evolution of grindcore they

took it to the next level I don't know

where to go after that nobody's taking

it and evolved it from that yet

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we've gone for noisy and and fast and

sometimes it would somehow I always go

tour it after that go towards like a

melody like when I when I listen to a

lot of music that I was trying to be

extreme it was like missing the hook you

know what I mean

something that takes you somewhere like

I like music that takes me someplace I

don't want to just listen to it and have

it wash over me you know I want to

experience it somehow

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my thing was like as soon as you slow

down you're selling out it's not that

melody is bad like I mean I didn't want

a bass in the band because I didn't want

groove and rhythm I was so against how

mental is becoming accessible that's why

I hated power violence because it was

like three seconds of what were tough

and we're playing faster than this it's

time to start throwing down and like

punching the floor and being a douche

bag hipster fucking piece of shit

fucking move power love Islands fucking

still get so angry about this before

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his lyrics were very personal but very

negative in some aspect yeah a lot of

people's how we were really pretentious

because we didn't follow the same

guideline that everyone else did I mean

the last album was a shot from my front

yard at the beach in the sky I I thought

it was cool though I'm like that was the

one thing I always strive to be a little

different than everything else

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our first shows were actually overseas

that was where the most interest in this

foul music was was Japan

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what I liked about Japan every other

band that played it was like their last

show they were ever gonna play in their

lives every note and every you know

sweat blood and here people just went

for it

you can try to sound Japanese you can't

sound Japanese it's the way their

equipment is it's the way the rehearsal

spaces are set up it's the way their

shows are set up it's just a different

vibe

therapy from UK heresy and concrete

shock spirit album then napalm death

scum oh don't forget sob a fast 7-inch

ultra-fast hardcore raging heart all the

changes sound a bit and that's why I

started my own band

well Alfre grip started back in 1993

there is no grand cuisine how many

people showed up is not so important to

me you know

I can say there is more bands than ten

years ago but I think it is still

underground music

well we like just leaving the country a

months out and back it in and then it'll

get and then to Japan a month out and

back again these bands like this Christ

that's the old style Turin where you

hook up in a van and drive across Europe

bands like piss Christ I think free laid

the groundwork for other bands from

Australia to just make the contacts over

there first and go look that black hole

organised something for us that bloke

organized something for us and they do

it and off they go

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Australian bands going through Southeast

Asia apparently never happened until

Warsaw did it in the 90s and then that

since then it's very popular for

Australian bands to go and tour

Southeast Asia

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I'm sort of spiking I've taught me here

I've done a in this analysis of the

difference between national grand

cosines I felt it's a very international

thing actually I felt that you don't I

understand the lyrics you know you don't

have all these things have enabled it to

become more international than actual

national

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Nasim had a hook they'd fucking throw

something in your like clicking with

that I got it I got it I got it I got it

you know if you can get that hook and

you can just go hit it do it

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when you go to France or Spain or South

America they they have some kind of

humor to to it as well but that we just

don't have

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I'm Anders I'm the founding member of

Nasim I played every instrument in this

band starting as a guitarist and a

bassist and then going on to be the

drummer and singer so I've been living

with this band for more than half of my

life and it's going to stay with me

forever

of course cuz it's dead for one thing

Mexico would have hated to be a legend

people have asked me for orders of him

so he can make us a to his face and I

say don't do it because he would have

hated it like this really brutal sense

of humor which would crack me up all the

time yeah I was I was taking a shower

and I had this indie pop record on

really loud and it like then the music

would get blurred out by the showers I

could only hear like the bass

frequencies and that made me think of

this rare farmer man and then he went

out of the shower and a kid and started

like playing doing an awesome riff off

of that

a huge amount respect for this guy but

he had this split personality we could

be the most generous most like inviting

kind person but he could also be like a

really arrogant guy that would just be

like hardcore cold that sucks you suck

and I really enjoyed and feared those

qualities in him I didn't know him there

are a lot of other people have knowing

much much better and have I've seen

another side of him that I didn't never

saw our relationship was so much

concentrated in tune awesome and that

was why I guess it doesn't mean that I

miss him

every fucking week

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I got a phone call from my girlfriend at

the time saying do you know anything

about misko and my immediate thought was

that he had passed I don't think he had

like a week of that whole year he had

been working so hard that he really had

to go on this vacation and and it's just

you know it's just not fair

yes your sister went down to Thailand to

search for him she didn't find anything

yet his girlfriend wasn't a mess all the

bones in her body was broken and

everything so it was quite a strange

time because you never expect a band

member to dying a natural catastrophe

that doesn't I mean someone can die

after the bill in a car crash or

whatever but by a fucking wave of water

like the month and a half before his

body was actually failed after that and

how I was such a isn't such an insane

outpouring of you know support and

empathy it's indescribable how much

people cared about this grindcore singer

in sun-browned you know I I try to

remember even I said that's that really

lively person he was after me Schmo died

it just became this whole sad aura

around it

we felt like okay so the 20th

anniversary would be an opportunity to

actually do it like in the right way the

core of the DA was all original so to

speak not some numbers we just needed

someone to sing the song

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before the show he called me up and

asked if I want to do it and I was like

yes right away I always wanted to do it

without understanding how difficult it's

difficult it's gonna be

I wasn't trying to me I even couldn't

make him one-to-one and I was kind of

throwing in some of my own things which

were feeling more natural to me

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in the very beginning we just wanted to

have high-energy crusts grind and we

looked after sounding a little bit like

extreme moister and do them what's us

making it more metal and more fast and

more furious more aggressive in our way

and then having middle background just

made it a little bit bigger song

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by the time the mid-90s are rolled

around Eric had diversified to the point

where they were maybe losing the focus

on what bands put them on the map in the

first place not not good communication

they were overseas and we had problems

when we were doing need to control like

when they lost all the artwork they

didn't pay us they they sold I'm sure

they sold way more records than they

told us they did there was that deal

that they did with Columbia and somehow

we didn't fit into their financial

spreadsheet these bands went from

nothing literally playing pubs to be on

Columbia Records napalm death God flesh

carcass it's insane right but that

actually happened because they were

selling so many records attracted you

know the major label scenes this stuff's

gonna break big next you know and it

didn't so we felt we weren't getting the

attention we deserved and that at the

same time relapse had come up and

relapse had really grown and expanded

we live has always been good about that

even on the forefront of bringing like a

lot of extreme stuff like with misery

index pig destroyer I mean

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who trusts them there's been a lot of

people over the years different people

running the label but their ethics have

stayed the same we don't even have a

contract with relapse really it's it's

just an agreement a gentlemen's

agreement

he actually stopped signing great cool

bands later none maybe last one was

brutal truth 92 or whatever we had a

four album deal with brutal truth and

they they kind of preferred working with

relapse which was okay but it kind of

rattled me a little bit at the time we

had a label that we thought was kind of

getting a tiny bit too apathetic well we

had another label that lived 150 miles

from us like dude eventually we managed

to negotiate who was me and Digg sitting

face-to-face at a conference table at

earache records in New York and I just

said look man we would really appreciate

it if we could just go to a label that

we feel is gonna be a hundred percent

behind us right now

we were young and mouthy and he said

fair enough just don't talk shit about

me like Jeff Walker does and Kevin went

on to hopefully Diggs not like butthurt

over at anymore Memphis it was weird for

a minute you know there were young guys

they were like committed to what they

were doing as I was and between us we

kind of had a good thing going I mean he

went sour in a couple of occasions in

the intervening like 25 years luckily a

lot of them are kind of water under the

bridge now old hat

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so I think that's what uh well now that

it is about 17 years later I mean we did

make a pact at the time that we weren't

going to discuss it

whether the original guitar player was

coaching money you know nothing too wild

or anything like that he's tucking money

away and I think at the time I was like

I don't really care you know like but

like you know let's not let him handle

the money anymore basically we had never

had a manager in the band different

dudes in the bands were trying to take

care of it we had one guy doing all the

bad business another guy in the band

said what the fuck are you doing left

this receipts crumpled up on the

windshield here you know I'm not getting

in this rain to go on tour unless I take

over the business so another guy took

over the business he proceeded to kind

of run things into the ground because he

didn't know what he was doing either but

because he done this hostile takeover he

was too proud to admit it if you ask the

dude running the band how much money we

got in the bank account today I'm just

shrug at you I'm just gonna say that it

wasn't me or rich you know Dan's really

not confrontational and it was easier

for him to dissolve the band than to

address the thievery this just can't go

on anymore it's not enjoyable

I don't play music to make a million

dollars I play it because I enjoy doing

it I no longer enjoy this fuck this it's

over

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in school we were reading old Greek

texts and one of those texts I found the

name Agatha class it's a old Greek

freedom fighter he invited a rich for a

dinner and after dinner a pickled Amal

since I got Pablo's yeah yeah and also a

grandson a cigar get loose

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Archie gothis is a descendant of Agatha

Cleese the Greek tyrant of Syracuse but

also our name apparently in Italian

translates to where did you shit

we've been told ARCA Gatos old gray one

so we don't really fucking know

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at some point a lot of so called grind

bands started with this homophobic thing

worshipping snuff movies oh yeah you

have records with dead people on can you

show me you know and that's totally not

what we mean with grind men score was

supposed to be just like leftist

political grind core you know no fucking

homophobia no sexism no racism taking a

stance on all that and I don't know I've

always associated it with having a

really old-school kind of sound to

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I think of it as a a punk-rock

politically intention reboot or

grindcore at this critical moment where

things were getting to be I think really

bogged down in a lot of bullshit I think

it's like just intentionally avoiding

metal attitude I think Minsk or was a

response to like hating bad ribs okay

it's Punk man I don't know it is

political but it also is a sound I think

it's like second generation you know

kind of Minsk or I was born around the

time I got the cleese was like doing

some of their first records some kind of

silly father-son thing they worship your

ribs

you know like this like in terms of

sound right they do much better you know

but with like I got strong left this

political I hear from him a lot of times

like oh now Vince core is something her

name I came up with and now there are

bands making Minsk were like yeah that's

really crazy

yeah now we have a specific event called

haggis from from America new bands

playing Minsk or

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or grind this is nasty it's guttural it

make it sounds like they're fucking

throwing up fucking chainsaw it is

ripping through people and the vocals

are all there

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carcass like really started the whole

core kinda thing I think like just as

far as like the vocals and just the

riffing style even just down to like how

the blast beats are played like it's

just it all goes back to carcass I'd

started carcass or attempted to an 85 as

I got to know Jeff Walker

I'm guessing towards the end of 86 we

kind of rekindled the whole thing and

this was the version of carcass that you

know people later you know came to know

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Jeff had accessed some they were kind of

like textbooks for students you know

students in pathology I think he just

cuss house tons and tons of stuff and

then created a collage

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I think there was a little bit of

begrudging respect for the the sleeve

and how low we were tuned we were using

a bit of Technology I think it was the

SPX 90 or something once we realized the

studio had one of those

we just went nuts on it

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he's like a basically an effect pedal to

pitch his voice down like at least an

octave

maybe I to to may give it that kind of

it makes everybody sound like the most

brutal thing on earth as long as you

know all you gotta do is yell into it

and it makes you sound like a monster

more about kind of a fantasy element I

think to it then I don't mean fantasy

like swords and Conan ship

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like you write about fucked up things in

your head that you probably wouldn't

otherwise speak about there's a

difference between like a band that like

talks about murder talks about death

talks about something talks about bleak

dark scary fucked up shit that's one

thing

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place was packed drop-dead just finished

playing and I missed them because I had

to work and anal cunts up there to see

the world in the last nine years

Seth grabs the mic he starts walking on

the stage a band went on stage and more

or less um insulted the audience the

singer was seek huiling and dropping n

bombs and saying some really shitty

things you're not gonna come to

Providence and pull that shit the corner

of my eye I see what I thought was Bob

he had his face was painted he was

painted up like a devil or something

that night he had horns on and

everything

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he just knocks that like Claire down

Claire off the stage I knocked stuff off

the stage and then I got a ball with the

drama then just melee just happens to

you

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I ended up getting arrested my brother

put a couple of those guys in the

hospital and turned into an ugly thing

and a riot happened to be honest with

you a jail that said I know he actually

pressed charges against me saying that I

assaulted him and uh and I guess I guess

I did huh you're not coming to

Providence to seek island and there was

a big big problem skinheads back in like

Boston Providence very New England area

and anal cunt always attracted the

scheme's I think so they don't know

grind they don't know anything about it

but they love that you know all the

songs and stuff you know Hitler was a

sensitive man there you go if we did I

just fuck with them they'd be like oh

you know you know they kind of like I'm

like no I'll make it fun of you so why

aren't Pinkett you I'm making fun of you

the racists are this there that I can

tell you I can assure you Seth was never

a racist I was never a racist Mike was

never a racist fred was never a racist

Polly was never a racist John was never

a racist

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I know a lot of stuff was

tongue-in-cheek you know I know but then

a lot of that stuff with Southwest

really legit he was definitely a hateful

spiteful just angry mess of a human

being you know what was he like

hilarious he was a good guy in there he

was cool they talked about pushing the

envelope man and was that all

tongue-in-cheek for him or was he just

stood yeah he was just like he would

poke he would just wanted to poke

everything like he was really fucking

mentally deranged which was hard because

I was like really close with the guy for

years John liked Seth quite a bit and

and Seth really took him to town for it

to stealing Seth's ideas of book written

by John Chang that was one of the song

titles on a record that set put them in

the into their guest listened and

there's a bunch of losers that that

would the other kids

this is the guy to my knowledge into

what I remember sets favorite bands of

all time or negative approach and the

Village People

he loved the Village People he saw the

Village People more than 30 times

seth has actually anal concepts stayed

at my house you know with my wife and

daughter in it you know there are times

any turned off let me just be a normal

person not just a maniac trying to fuck

with people on the street but that being

said every time we don't hang out on

Lansdowne Street or something we'd

almost get arrested for him just fucking

with people that are trying to eat in

the restaurant or something you can

arrest it often on stage no off stage I

don't I know comment on that one after

the shows in Philly or at least after

one of the shows when we were on the way

back to the house he was like how's the

show man I was like that's pretty good

what do you think he's like I don't

remember anything the shows I don't I I

don't think he like remembers the shows

that he did you know like I don't think

he could come offstage and be like oh

that was good or that softer whatever I

think when he came off he had no idea

what was going on you know it blacked

out the last time I saw it was a sub

Club in New York and Seth's mom was

there and after the show we were we were

all hanging out and Santa asked me if I

met his mom before and I said yeah I

know I grabbed her out of the pit like

she's getting killed by these kids they

were just crashed into her and she's

like it's real woman she's like nothing

so I grabbed her and pulled her out so

she would stop getting clobbered and and

he freaked out and he said I'm gonna

fucking kill you and like everybody in

the room just sort of stopped because he

wasn't joking I remember what he did to

Terry from grief I mean he hit the guy

in the face intentionally and knocked

out half the teeth in his face and even

his mom was except you know what are you

doing calm down why are you upset and he

just like he was insane I heard later on

he went out got crack and got like high

that night like ended up sleeping on the

street someplace he was a really fucking

disturbed guy

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sometimes the stress of touring it could

do that used to be the full-time think

as misery index toward you know some

years we do 200 plus shows in a year and

that was like the life you know I'm glad

we don't do that anymore to be honest

hurry up and wait you know show up bloat

in wait around play pack up get goin

a huge thing you know is like drinking

bands drink like crazy cuz you're

sitting around all day or beer you know

there's nothing to do you just slept

somewhere and it's the biggest shit only

ever slept in your life on tour we do

sleep at people's houses and not know

what else cuz we can't afford the hotels

and you wake up in the morning and your

whole body from inside out is dirty it's

it's not what people think it is you

know they don't thinks it's this whole

fuckin drug orgy and that sort of thing

and you know it's a job you know like

any other but it's just a little

different whenever someone asked me that

you guys have had a job my Joey's drops

it's how could we not

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no money to be made maybe that's what

makes money they pump that makes money

little true except that like you're

lucky when you pee you your your gas and

your van payments you know I mean like I

tried to do everything I can as much as

I can but I'm borrowing money from my

friends to print t-shirts I'm borrowing

money from my wife it's arranged in a

circle so to speak where it's like I'll

press at this plant and I'll press the

next one here and then I'll pay this guy

and this guy so you know it's always get

person to STATS behind is always getting

paid and the records kind of go around a

circle that way we started out in a

little unit that was probably as big as

this little square and then got a bigger

one and then we moved into this one we

had to expand into another one over

there and it keeps growing which is cool

but records is a it's a messy business

man if that was what DIY was about it

was like Moses like being about your

entrepreneurs and not necessarily

catering to what big companies want

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of course DIY goes long way it can be

also a lifestyle in in many other ways

means reviews fanzines spread your

flyers getting the recording sending it

to get mastered getting the artwork all

together cut all the covers and we made

it multiple layers but in certainly Oh

stupid stuff - our - ourselves we tried

to produce everything coordinate the

merchandise we booked the flights in

back then you can count on people to

actually buy your records like you know

if they were interested they wanted to

support you because it was a DIY thing

they recognized that the kind of content

you were making would not exist unless

you did you don't need the big stupid

labels who rip you off by big contracts

and blah blah blah try to keep

everything in your own hands try to work

with people you've created you created a

network with it's possible because we

are doing it and we get our shit

released everywhere

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I was working as a booking agent doing

booking and management at relapse

records and there was a guy who I was in

touch with that organized shows

somewhere in Michigan and he was doing

some sort of management for Eyehategod

who had lost all of their equipment in

the Katrina who was there there are some

rooms flooded out this guy put together

a benefit CD and got in touch with me he

was like hey what brutal truth want to

do something on this you know because we

were friends with I hate God and played

tons of shows with them in the past you

know

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we got together quote-unquote just to

record that which I think Guren plays on

Jen came back and played and his chops

were just rotten so it didn't really

work out but we decided we wanted to do

it anyways we tried this other guy Jody

who'd done some stuff and killed a

client and stuff and he was okay but uh

Burke was more of a fit

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Eric became a full member of brutal

truths and then when it was time to

write I had a great writing partner

because I wrote a lot of stuff back in

the old days but having Eric and his

classic fluid style

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the two records I deal with him are

fucking awesome I'm very proud of him

and I love you know so it was it was

definitely good a good feeling I feel

fortunate to play for three of my

fucking favorite bands you know a lot of

people would call me a date for that you

know what so be it I'm a dick

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it was a really good friend of mine and

bill that brothers really four of us

lived in the same house there's me Danny

Jesse imagine living the same edge you

know we wouldn't have drank Boyd and

Jesse was it was a regular she's very

classical guitarist as well

jesse was one of nicest guys ever apart

from being one of the godfathers a grind

like anybody you have perhaps corners to

be first now to the you know you junk

show everybody you never drank really

that much when he came to England I

think him you know when when you're

young and I see a young American moving

to England I think towards the end there

was just a lot of stuff going his head

with various things and he was drinking

a little bit more than perhaps he should

okay I can't pinpoint say the exact

thing that was going on towards the end

but he just got very intense I just I

think it's like to affect his playing a

little bit really unfortunately and I

was really concerned for him and kind of

my suggestion or a suggestion it you go

back home

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I'd switch him a few times on the family

I would saw him a couple of times and

wasn't quite exactly the Jesse that I

remembered unfortunately

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and then it's sad because away it ended

up meeting him eyeball

Richard we would have had more time we

probably would have talked things out

and who knows what could have been but

uh it's just uh badly

yeah I wasn't even allowed to go laughs

you know

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oh well that's what you get you fuckin

asshole and then he died lol I guess it

was kind of a weird thing when he did

die because we have some friends that

are like yes of putnams dead because

he's a total piece of shit and other

people that are like god it's a bummer

you know so I I would hate to be stoked

about anyone's death you know I don't

think that's a really positive way to

approach things I don't want to like

shit on his memory but like yeah he was

a fucking scumbag I mean he was like a

real backstabbing piece of shit in the

end of his life I don't know what the

hell happened

Seth was a good guy I enjoy partying

with him and joined hanging out with him

you know fucking tragedy that happened

you know

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you know we were obviously older and he

had gone through the coma we got

together and we we did our 20th

anniversary show he did a show in town

it was you know and this is one of those

moments where I'd never thought I'd ever

see it's like we played in our hometown

to a fucking sold-out crowd of just

crazy AC fans I'm like never did that

ever happen in her town I I can tell you

that the last time I saw him I'm looking

I was looking at his face I was looking

closely at him and I said you're

jaundiced man we would go on the road

and he would do things he's you know a

person in a healthy body could shouldn't

do and he was doing stuff and a body

that had been really fucked and you know

he would be like I'm gonna go do this

I'm like hey look man you're an adult

you can do what you want I could kick

and scream all I want and I can't do

that anymore

when when I his wife called me I was not

surprised I was disappointed

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people see that set that you know rolled

around on stage did a lot of drugs I

know a guy that he and I would sit and

watch movies all day or watch The

Simpsons and fucking eat Chinese food

and talk about goofy stuff or play music

or you know that was you know it's my

friend you know and that's what I missed

you know I missed that guy you know and

it's just sucks

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grindcore is kind of I don't think it's

just a ping what the original bands did

it's not really that fresh is it I mean

the future grindcore really is I would

say some our electronic element I don't

actually know for sure that someone's

got to surprise me but if it's not if it

doesn't include that it wouldn't be very

contemporary music I don't think

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you know for a while it was a studio

band we played three songs at a New

England metal hardcore festival in 2003

something like that we've had a few

plans to do it but I should say

discussions

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feel good this your stage get up yeah

pinkie swear I was the side project

agoraphobic was the main thing because

we'd already had honky Reduction out on

relapse and they'd already been kind of

like a ground swell for agoraphobic at

that point and winds there ever a

thought of her agoraphobic was that

always bad yeah I mean we always kind of

didn't really want a drummer but we did

entertain having a drummer and we

actually I practiced with Dave Witte a

couple times in the early 90s but I

think Jay and I just wanted to keep it

very simple and didn't want to

overcomplicate agoraphobic with playing

live strangely enough we're gonna need

some drums like snare and kick up their

snare kick vocals and probably guitar

and bass we need a little bit of time

for the changeover what could go wrong

tomorrow night oh there's lots that

could go wrong somebody could spill beer

on the computer we could have some

equipment problems unplug a cable

there's a million cables plugged in

there could be a fire the cops can come

and shut this show down somebody could

have a heart attack I don't know that's

why I just want to get through this one

gig and see what the what the unforeseen

things are that can happen hopefully

nothing hopefully nothing

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I want it straight forward everything

fucking red bleeding through everything

noise just go you know Code Red

hit it

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I don't know what's a ride across from

the outside

oh that looks like a pumpkin

wait we think watermelon is like stuck

oh oh hey I can't go like the cantaloupe

or uh coconut yeah

cheese has arrived well Richie wants to

fuck some people's rights

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