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People once called New York "Fun City."
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Now the police and firemen's unions
in New York are calling it "Fear City."
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There was a dispute over here,
and he gets shot in the head.
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Take that cocksucker out.
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This is a story about New York.
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There's been a lot of muggings,
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killings.
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Seven people have been murdered,
their throats cut with a foot-long knife.
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It's a story
about horrible acts of violence.
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It seems organized crime may have turned
an abandoned railroad tunnel
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into a graveyard for as many as 60 people.
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Twenty-seven people have been eliminated.
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And then it's a story about greed
for money and power and dominance.
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Federal officials
say the Mob's income
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could total
60 to 100 billion dollars a year.
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Ninety-seven-04.
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New York was held
in the grip of the Mafia.
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As I've tried to tell the president,
the vice president, to Congress,
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what's going on here,
they're not listening. This is a war.
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The director of the FBI said,
"What are we going to do about this?"
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This was billed as the biggest
organized crime investigation ever.
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We were gonna bug the Mafia.
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- Is Jimmy there?
- He left about five minutes ago.
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We were gonna hear them
on the tapes, with our very own ears.
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In the '70s, the city of New York
was owned by the Mob.
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I had seen what Italian organized crime
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had done in the neighborhood
I grew up in in Brooklyn.
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A few summers, I worked for my uncle,
Jimmy Schiavone, in a butcher shop.
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My uncle, he owed money to the Mob.
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The poor guy worked six days
a week to pay it back.
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Meantime, I'd see these wiseguys
come in from the Bonanno crime family...
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bulls.
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And my... my uncle was in the back.
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And he would be schvitzing.
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He would be sweating,
because they'd be threatening him.
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They'd threaten his son, Joey, Jr.
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They'd threaten my aunt, Aunt Lucy.
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And actually they'd look at me
and say, "Who's the kid, right?"
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And he'd say, "No, no he's just
the delivery boy."
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But, man, that was frightening days.
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You knew when you
borrowed money from them.
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They... If you didn't pay on time,
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they'd bend your leg
and stuff it in your pocket.
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My boxing trainer,
my baseball coach,
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my barber were all involved with the Mob.
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And I started getting an education,
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really understanding the street
by the time I'm 14, 15.
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By the time I'm the time I'm 17, 18,
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I'm already collecting money.
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And I'm told when to talk,
when not to talk,
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or when to just hurt somebody.
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You wanna motivate 'em.
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"Better have that money this fucking week."
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If you don't have that money,
I'm gonna come see you in a different way.
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Have that fucking money."
Now, when a guy comes to see me
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and he insults me with $1,000,
yeah, I hurt him.
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After I hurt him, I tell him to go get me
the rest of my fucking money.
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Now there's no patience.
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He doesn't have the money
a week before then, I baseball bat him.
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I liked lending money out
to people. It was good business.
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If somebody couldn't pay,
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then the idea is we become their partner.
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I acquired a Chevrolet agency that way.
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Then I started making a lot of money
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and started to use that life
to benefit me.
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The gasoline scheme
was the biggest thing
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that certainly I ever had.
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There was a guy that had
a small gas operation out in Long Island.
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He comes to me, and he says,
"Mike, I have a germ of an idea,
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where we might be able to defraud
the government
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out of tax on a gallon of gasoline."
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So he got my attention.
I didn't like the government.
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Puts the box on the table. Opens it up.
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He said, "This is the first week's take
in the gas business: $320,000."
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From that point on,
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I grew that operation to between eight
and ten million dollars a week.
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We were selling gas to branded,
unbranded stations, everybody,
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'cause we were undercutting everybody.
We weren't paying the tax.
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The FBI couldn't figure it out.
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I'll never forget one day:
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I was at my office
at my automobile dealership.
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Two FBI agents come in.
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They said, "Look, we know you got
something going on with this gas.
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Just tell us how you're doing it.
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You tell us how you're doing it.
We'll give you a pass."
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I said, "I dunno
what you're talking about.
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You wanna buy a car?
I'll give you a break.
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I like you guys. Don't worry about it."
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But that's how frustrated they were
with us.
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They knew we were doing it,
but they could never figure it out.
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It was the golden era of the Mob.
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The FBI couldn't keep up with us.
There was no way.
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Our relationship with the Mafia...
it was a cat and mouse game.
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A very serious game, to be sure.
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I can't tell you how many times
a wiseguy would say to me,
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"You do what you gotta do.
I do what I gotta do."
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I used to tell them,
"Hey, you do your job. We'll do ours.
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You catch us the right way,
no complaints."
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Their job is to lock you up.
Our job is to get away with it.
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You see them in a van,
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you smile and you wave,
because you're being cocky with them.
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They'd either walk away
or tell me fuck off.
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If you didn't get told that in Brooklyn,
you'd done something wrong.
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There was organized crime
investigations being conducted
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in three separate FBI offices,
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but each of them had their own idea
about how to approach the problem.
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So, there was organized crime,
but very unorganized investigations.
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We had no strategy. We had no plan.
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When we would come across
somebody we didn't know,
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the only thing we could do
was take a photograph of them.
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Then we could go out to our informants
and say, "Do you know this guy?"
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They'd say, "Yeah, I know that guy."
"What's he do?
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What's his criminal activity?
Who's he connected with?"
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And then we'd put them on a board.
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We had a very, very good idea
of who was who
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and how the Mafia
was structured in New York.
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The five Italian
organized crime families were.
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Gambino, Genovese, Lucchese,
Colombo, and Bonanno.
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The families were very structured.
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It started at the top with the boss,
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then you had the underboss,
who was really the second in command,
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and then you had
your caporegimes, captains,
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and then you had the soldiers under them.
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The way the families were structured
gave us a very powerful position.
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The biggest problem was that you could
never get to an underboss
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or the boss himself.
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They were too well-insulated
from whatever criminal activity was done.
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They had no connection with it whatsoever.
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The lower-level guys were out there
committing the criminal acts
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and kicking the money
up to the higher-ups.
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The average wiseguy,
we knew what he was doing.
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We put him in jail for a year,
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but it didn't solve the problem.
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Whatever their money making scheme was
went right on,
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virtually without interruption,
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'cause there's a lot of guys waiting
in the wings to take his place.
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You know how I would spot the wiseguys?
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- Well, particularly in the disco era...
- Mm-hmm.
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They had the polyester
waffle-weave bell bottoms.
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They had the open neck, you know?
They had to have the hair.
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Then they'd have their toilette water on,
you know, like that Old Spice, Hai Karate.
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- Lilac water.
- Ah.
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Man, you light a match,
you'd all be blown to kingdom come.
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In the '70s, when we started
moving heroin and cocaine, it was huge.
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We were making a million a month.
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We partied constantly.
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All the gangsters used.
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They'll tell you they never did,
but they did.
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Say nobody cheated on their wives,
but everybody cheated on their wives.
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Nobody drank champagne.
We drank champagne day and night.
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The wiseguys were collecting
the moola-shmoola.
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In the mean time,
the city of New York was total anarchy.
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The Bronx was burning like every night.
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Buildings were being either torched
by the landlord for the insurance
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or torched by gangs.
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There is a war in progress
on the streets of New York
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to see who's gonna control
portions of the illegal drug market.
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New York was lawless.
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One hundred eighty-seven banks
were robbed in this town this month,
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and there's still another day left.
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Bank robberies, hijackings,
drugs, murder, extortion,
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loan sharking, gambling, you name it.
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Organized crime controlled virtually
everything you can think of.
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No matter how much manpower
we put out there,
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the Mafia ran virtually
unfettered in New York.
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The Guardian Angels
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is a group of youths who have taken it
upon themselves to fight subway crime.
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We had to take the law
into our own hands.
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As Guardian Angels,
trying to maintain law and order...
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The cops didn't like it, but we said,
"Tough noogies, too bad,
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because you guys turned the city over
to organized crime."
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Look, I had a jet plane.
I had a Lear 25.
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I had a helicopter at that time.
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I had a house in Florida,
a house in New York.
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I built a 7,000-square-foot house
with a racquetball court.
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We were untouchable.
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Who's gonna stop us?
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You felt like you had the power
to do anything you want.
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I didn't have any power to do anything.
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We were lucky if we put one or two guys
in jail every year.
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I didn't feel New York
was mine for the taking.
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I thought we already took it.
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New York was held
in the grip of the Mafia.
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The government
was not controlling much of anything.
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That was the worst part about it.
People didn't believe that law enforcement
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could do anything about the Mafia.
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It was gonna be here forever.
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We had a meeting in Washington, D.C.,
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the Department of Justice.
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The director of the FBI said,
"What are we going to do about this?"
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At the time,
the FBI was totally unsuccessful.
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But we already had the perfect tools
to bring down the Mafia.
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The Racketeer Influenced
and Corrupt Organizations Act...
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commonly referred to as RICO,
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was a law that I wrote in 1970
to dismantle the Mafia, bosses and all.
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The FBI had this law for ten years
and didn't know how to use it.
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So I figured maybe what we could do
is have a training course
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at Cornell, right here.
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March of '79,
the boss wanted us to go
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to a seminar
at Cornell University Law School
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having to do
with organized crime problems.
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It was a week of spending time
away from the family.
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I wasn't really seeing what benefit
it was to me or to us.
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I went kicking and screaming,
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but as it turned out,
it would change everything.
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Question is, why RICO?
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You need to know what we had before RICO.
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Before RICO, we could arrest
the foot soldiers in the Mafia family
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for things like extortion,
murder, drug-dealing,
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but we had no way of tying...
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the foot soldiers to the bosses.
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I was telling them, "What you've gotta do
is take out the organization.
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And you're not gonna take out
the organization
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unless you focus on the organization."
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By defining these people as bosses
and members of this organization,
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they're now all joined together.
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Using RICO, a person can now be convicted
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because they ordered somebody
to commit a crime.
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So you could now prosecute
a group of people
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who had committed those crimes together.
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That way you can go after
the whole organization at one time.
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You need to be able to show
that this crime was related
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to an organization
that does crime the whole time.
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- The definition of power...
- Bob Blakey said,
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"You should prosecute
these Mob guys not as individual people,
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but as a group of people
committing crimes as a business."
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It was like an epiphany for me... a rush.
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Now I could see
how I could redirect the agents
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and make them understand
what we had to do.
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Now I knew how we could bring down
the entire New York Mafia.
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The plan was to develop a RICO case
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against each of the Five Families.
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Organized crime requires
organized investigation.
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We would have five Family squads,
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and all the information
about that particular Family
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would only go that one squad.
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Kossler brought us
into the conference room one day
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and said, "We're not leaving the room
until we have a written document
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of how we work... organized crime cases
under the RICO statute."
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We didn't know anything
about the RICO law, frankly,
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because we never used it.
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All of a sudden, people said,
"Wait a minute. I have all these cases
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involving all those people down here."
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"Close them, because we're only
gonna go after these people up here."
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You're talking
about a major operation:
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One squad per family, going after
the bosses of all Five Families.
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When he first broached that to me, I...
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I had my doubts. How're we gonna do that?
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The problem was that
no matter how hard you tried,
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it was very, very difficult
to get a cooperating witness.
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They were too afraid
to talk on the record.
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We had a strict code.
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It was the main reason why the Mob
survived and prospered
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for well over a hundred years
in this country.
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I took the blood oath
on Halloween Night, 1975.
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The boss was seated at the head
of, like, a horseshoe configuration,
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and all the captains were
alongside of that.
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I held out my hand.
He took a knife, cut my finger.
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He took a picture of a saint,
put it on my hands, lit a flame...
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and he said, "Tonight, Michael Franzese,
you are born again into a new life."
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He said, "Betray your brothers
and you will die and burn in hell
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like this saint is burning in your hands."
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He said, "Do you accept?"
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"Yes, I do."
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Guys like myself...
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everybody on the street,
they knew, you become the witness,
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you're probably gonna pay
for it with your life.
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You feared the boss.
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You feared breaking the code.
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The Yankess are one game away
from ending the 1980 baseball season...
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Someone who becomes
a member of the Mafia won't testify.
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It was a secret society.
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But we had a good solution
to a big problem.
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Without cooperating witnesses,
the plan was to start bugging the Mob.
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Put bugs in the places
where they operated.
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It might be a restaurant he frequents.
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It might be a car that he uses.
It might be his house.
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The ultimate goal was to record evidence
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that's coming directly
from the boss's mouth
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as to what criminal activity
he was involved in
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and who was in it involved with him.
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You can use that to bring
the whole organization down.
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That was gonna take a lot of manpower.
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I asked headquarters to send us 50 agents.
285
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The director said,
"Give New York whatever it needs."
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We started off on day one.
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I had the Gambino family.
It was one of the most powerful families.
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There were close to 21 captains,
over three hundred soldiers...
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thousands of associates.
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And the largest target was
Paul Castellano, the boss of the family.
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Castellano ran the family
like a Fortune 500 business.
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They called him the white-collar don
because he read The Wall Street Journal.
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He was very successful financially.
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But the most important thing
he understood was,
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in order to rule a crime family,
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you have to instill fear
in your soldiers and captains.
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And he had a bunch
of real tough guys around him
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who were like hit men for the Mob.
299
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Paul Castellano was a boss.
We knew he was very wealthy.
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We knew we was very strong.
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He had 20-something guys killed.
302
00:22:12,956 --> 00:22:16,460
So when people say
he was a soft, white-collar criminal,
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that's the furthest thing from the truth.
I actually looked up to the guy.
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This is a guy who's smart enough
to kill the way had people killed,
305
00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:26,178
but yet not be called a killer.
306
00:22:27,179 --> 00:22:30,599
Because he is a killer.
It's just not by his own hand.
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He lived in a big house
on Staten Island.
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00:22:37,939 --> 00:22:40,400
Our goal was to put a microphone there.
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00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:43,153
Then when you play the tapes at trial,
your best witnesses are
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00:22:43,236 --> 00:22:44,946
the criminals themselves, the mobsters.
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The problem was you cannot
bug anyone without a court order.
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I have got to come up
with enough information,
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00:22:53,747 --> 00:22:57,334
either from surveillance
or from informants,
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00:22:57,417 --> 00:23:00,754
that links Paul Castellano
to criminal activity.
315
00:23:01,755 --> 00:23:04,549
So the plan was to work our way up
from the bottom.
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00:23:04,633 --> 00:23:07,135
We want the gossip in the family.
We want the blabbermouth,
317
00:23:07,219 --> 00:23:08,470
the guy who talks a lot.
318
00:23:12,224 --> 00:23:14,810
When I started
as an organized crime investigator,
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00:23:14,893 --> 00:23:16,436
I was assigned to the Gambino squad.
320
00:23:18,647 --> 00:23:21,650
We were focused
on this small group in Queens.
321
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,823
Bergin Hunt and Fish Club
was a Mafia social club
322
00:23:27,906 --> 00:23:30,659
where they hung out
and talked about their crimes.
323
00:23:36,206 --> 00:23:39,334
John Gotti was the captain
of this little den of thieves.
324
00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:49,469
This crew were kind of thuggish,
and they handled a lot of street rackets:
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00:23:49,553 --> 00:23:53,265
Loan sharking primarily,
and gambling, and bookie joints.
326
00:23:53,348 --> 00:23:55,225
And they were hijackers.
327
00:23:55,308 --> 00:23:56,810
That was the more violent crimes.
328
00:23:58,145 --> 00:24:00,605
Bergin Hunt and Fish Club
was our Wall Street.
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00:24:01,690 --> 00:24:04,693
When guys go to work on Wall Street,
they show up to the office,
330
00:24:04,776 --> 00:24:06,987
and we show up
to the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club.
331
00:24:07,070 --> 00:24:08,989
And we wait for our boss, our CEO...
332
00:24:09,656 --> 00:24:10,656
John Gotti.
333
00:24:12,742 --> 00:24:15,328
I'm there 24 hours a day,
seven days a week,
334
00:24:15,412 --> 00:24:17,456
on call for when that man wanted me.
335
00:24:18,498 --> 00:24:21,835
We're running numbers.
We're running drugs. We're running girls.
336
00:24:21,918 --> 00:24:23,503
Anything that's illegal.
337
00:24:25,630 --> 00:24:27,174
I tasked all the agents:
338
00:24:27,257 --> 00:24:30,427
"Let's find out what these guys are doing,
who's making all the money,
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00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:32,095
and try to look for a weak link."
340
00:24:41,438 --> 00:24:45,108
The FBI had an office very close
to the Bergin Hunt and Fish Club.
341
00:24:45,192 --> 00:24:47,360
We were taught, especially by Gotti:
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00:24:47,777 --> 00:24:50,113
"If they're around, they're around.
We know they're around,
343
00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:52,782
so, 'Hello, how are you?' Be cordial."
That's about it.
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00:24:57,829 --> 00:25:00,999
We developed several
high-level informants in Gotti's crew
345
00:25:01,082 --> 00:25:03,960
through a variety of means.
Some were arrested, some we paid a lot.
346
00:25:04,044 --> 00:25:05,879
These guys provided a lot of information
347
00:25:05,962 --> 00:25:08,173
about who the weak links were
in that crew.
348
00:25:12,052 --> 00:25:17,265
John's personal pit bull bodyguard
was a tough guy known to be very violent.
349
00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:20,852
He would do anything,
from making him tons of money
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00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,812
to killing for him, to protecting him.
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00:25:24,105 --> 00:25:25,815
His name was Angelo Ruggiero.
352
00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,911
Informants told us
that he was a big gossip.
353
00:25:37,994 --> 00:25:40,705
They called him "Quack Quack."
Not to his face.
354
00:25:40,789 --> 00:25:43,166
He ate a great deal.
And he talked a great deal.
355
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:46,878
So... his mouth was always in motion.
356
00:25:47,963 --> 00:25:50,048
Angelo was our blabbermouth.
357
00:25:53,885 --> 00:25:54,885
This was great.
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00:25:54,928 --> 00:25:58,390
We went to the Attorney General
of the United States and got approval
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00:25:58,473 --> 00:26:00,559
to put a bug in Angelo Ruggiero's house.
360
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:02,686
We were off and running.
361
00:26:15,574 --> 00:26:18,785
A "black bag man"
was an agent who had a skill set
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00:26:18,868 --> 00:26:21,913
for planting a concealed microphone
363
00:26:21,997 --> 00:26:23,957
or getting through a locked door.
364
00:26:24,541 --> 00:26:27,669
And that's basically
what was in the black bag of tricks.
365
00:26:29,004 --> 00:26:33,592
Many people don't operate
in a covert world effectively.
366
00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:34,843
They don't blend.
367
00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:41,099
The most successful agents
fit sort of my profile.
368
00:26:41,975 --> 00:26:44,311
Maybe I was a bad kid growing up.
369
00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:49,566
Maybe I learned how to hide and learned
how to blend and so on and so forth.
370
00:26:52,027 --> 00:26:54,821
My blending technique would
depend on the neighborhood.
371
00:26:54,904 --> 00:26:59,284
And generally speaking,
I'm just a local guy doing his job.
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00:27:09,836 --> 00:27:14,007
In the Ruggiero case,
the house was always occupied.
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00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:18,219
The neighborhood was too close
and there was never an opportunity
374
00:27:18,303 --> 00:27:22,140
that we could guarantee
the security of the entry team.
375
00:27:22,223 --> 00:27:25,894
So we came up with alternative options.
376
00:27:27,937 --> 00:27:31,274
Ruggiero's residence
had problematic wiring.
377
00:27:31,358 --> 00:27:35,362
His telephone service
would be out from time to time.
378
00:27:35,445 --> 00:27:36,946
We were just going to see
379
00:27:37,030 --> 00:27:40,367
if we could stretch that
into an opportunity to get in the house.
380
00:27:42,786 --> 00:27:47,624
The complaint goes in because he has
absolute legitimate trouble on his phone.
381
00:27:49,709 --> 00:27:55,465
We would ask the phone company
to not dispatch... and I would show up.
382
00:28:13,274 --> 00:28:15,402
Ruggiero's a little hostile.
383
00:28:21,449 --> 00:28:22,659
We were always concerned
384
00:28:22,742 --> 00:28:25,870
that they didn't trust
my undercover identity.
385
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:31,710
But failure...
386
00:28:31,793 --> 00:28:33,545
honestly was not an option.
387
00:28:48,017 --> 00:28:50,937
I'm winging it.
I'm making this up as I'm going along,
388
00:28:52,021 --> 00:28:54,691
trying to read the pulse
of who I'm dealing with.
389
00:29:06,035 --> 00:29:08,163
Now I had an opportunity.
390
00:29:30,101 --> 00:29:31,686
We ran the wire to the back,
391
00:29:32,228 --> 00:29:33,438
and we're out of there.
392
00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,999
I was assigned to listen in
on Angelo Ruggiero's home.
393
00:29:59,130 --> 00:30:02,467
When you were assigned a shift,
you listened live.
394
00:30:03,051 --> 00:30:05,637
And you would listen to see
who his colleagues are
395
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,723
and who he's in charge of
and who he reports to.
396
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:11,851
He tried to be a little cryptic.
397
00:30:11,935 --> 00:30:16,815
So you were kind of trying to capture
the gist of what was being talked about.
398
00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:28,701
It was a total immersion
into the life of a Mafia household.
399
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:32,914
So, I never heard so many creative uses
of the f-word in my life.
400
00:30:38,127 --> 00:30:41,422
If there were
some hot, pertinent conversations,
401
00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:45,093
then those things were immediately
turned over to the steno pool...
402
00:30:47,428 --> 00:30:49,973
who did their best to transcribe them.
403
00:30:52,100 --> 00:30:54,394
It was like some kind of soap opera.
404
00:30:54,978 --> 00:31:00,275
I got this impression that Angelo was
this kind of cranky, over-verbal guy
405
00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:01,526
who loved his kids.
406
00:31:01,609 --> 00:31:05,113
The kids were, um...
shall we say, a handful.
407
00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:11,619
He ran around and did a lot
of meat-handed management
408
00:31:11,703 --> 00:31:15,874
of all these crew members
in his Mafia crew and his family.
409
00:31:24,424 --> 00:31:27,385
It was harder to understand
certain sections.
410
00:31:27,468 --> 00:31:32,098
So all the agents tended to get assigned
to reviewing these conversations
411
00:31:32,181 --> 00:31:35,977
in order to make the transcripts sensible.
412
00:31:42,025 --> 00:31:44,819
And so you listened again
and again and again.
413
00:31:54,829 --> 00:31:57,498
You were kind of trying
to put the puzzle together.
414
00:31:58,041 --> 00:32:00,543
I mean, it was a real slow-going art.
415
00:32:19,187 --> 00:32:23,191
People on the squad had different input,
and they'd say, "Wait, I hear this,"
416
00:32:23,274 --> 00:32:25,485
and then you'd say, "Yeah, that's the key.
417
00:32:25,568 --> 00:32:27,362
That's what's going on in here."
418
00:32:44,420 --> 00:32:45,964
He would make reference to it.
419
00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:48,466
Did he get it? You know, did he get it?
420
00:33:03,773 --> 00:33:07,276
We're sitting there like, "Well,
what is he talking about, you know?"
421
00:33:07,777 --> 00:33:10,989
You know, but then you had to put it
with who he's speaking to.
422
00:33:11,072 --> 00:33:13,366
Who was that
at the other end of that telephone?
423
00:33:32,927 --> 00:33:35,471
And of course,
the FBI had technical abilities
424
00:33:35,555 --> 00:33:38,725
to track the phone, and over time,
you'd figure out who it is.
425
00:33:38,808 --> 00:33:42,687
And then when you put it together,
you'd say, he said, "Did you get it?"
426
00:33:42,770 --> 00:33:45,481
And he's talking to a guy
who is a big drug dealer.
427
00:33:59,537 --> 00:34:01,164
Here we are in the middle of the day.
428
00:34:01,247 --> 00:34:04,333
Angelo is talking
about two- or three-kilo heroin deals,
429
00:34:04,417 --> 00:34:07,837
while his wife and daughter
are a few feet away washing the dishes.
430
00:34:09,756 --> 00:34:11,382
We had gathered evidence
431
00:34:11,466 --> 00:34:15,720
that Angelo was a big-time,
multimillion-dollar heroin dealer.
432
00:34:18,347 --> 00:34:19,724
It was a big deal.
433
00:34:20,641 --> 00:34:25,438
But we still didn't have enough evidence
that links Ruggiero's criminal activity
434
00:34:25,521 --> 00:34:28,441
to Paul Castellano,
the boss of the Gambino family.
435
00:34:40,328 --> 00:34:42,288
For almost 6 months,
we followed him around
436
00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:44,832
so we knew where he went
for different meetings.
437
00:34:50,338 --> 00:34:53,049
We came to find out that he'd go up
to the boss of the family,
438
00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:55,551
Paul Castellano's house
on a regular basis.
439
00:34:57,303 --> 00:35:01,265
And then when the meeting was over,
Ruggiero would come back to his house.
440
00:35:02,350 --> 00:35:04,060
And other Mob guys would come over,
441
00:35:04,143 --> 00:35:07,188
and Ruggiero would tell them all about
what happened at the meeting.
442
00:35:07,271 --> 00:35:10,066
It's a big deal
to meet with the boss of the family.
443
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:12,985
It's a dream come true.
444
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:16,697
It's proof that Castellano was meeting
members of his crew at his house
445
00:35:16,781 --> 00:35:18,324
and talking criminal matters.
446
00:35:20,326 --> 00:35:24,080
This was the proof we wanted for approval
for electronic surveillance
447
00:35:24,163 --> 00:35:25,540
of Castellano's house.
448
00:35:28,751 --> 00:35:30,545
It was an unbelievable moment,
449
00:35:30,628 --> 00:35:34,423
because now we could finally bug
the boss's house.
450
00:35:34,507 --> 00:35:37,927
But it was gonna be
a very tricky operation.
451
00:35:46,686 --> 00:35:49,939
It was a big house.
It was referred to as the White House.
452
00:35:50,648 --> 00:35:55,528
The surveillance squad,
after many, many hours of surveillance,
453
00:35:55,611 --> 00:35:57,822
had come to the determination
454
00:35:57,905 --> 00:36:01,367
it's impossible
to get in there surreptitiously
455
00:36:01,450 --> 00:36:03,995
because the house was never empty.
456
00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,374
Castellano had lots of new things
in the house.
457
00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:10,710
He had the latest telephone equipment,
458
00:36:10,793 --> 00:36:12,670
and he had cable TV,
459
00:36:12,753 --> 00:36:17,300
specifically a CNN channel,
which was new at the time.
460
00:36:18,342 --> 00:36:22,555
Get in touch with the world.
Touch it. Get in touch with the news.
461
00:36:22,638 --> 00:36:23,556
Touch it.
462
00:36:23,639 --> 00:36:28,269
Get in touch when you want,
24 hours a day. CNN headline news.
463
00:36:28,352 --> 00:36:31,314
We learned
all of his meetings and conversations
464
00:36:31,397 --> 00:36:35,610
took place
in his kitchen, dinning room area.
465
00:36:35,693 --> 00:36:39,780
That was where the TV was
and that looked like a real opportunity.
466
00:36:41,949 --> 00:36:46,329
So we started doing
a little homework on cable TV.
467
00:36:46,412 --> 00:36:47,872
It's daybreak in the east.
468
00:36:48,789 --> 00:36:51,334
It's the 17th of May, good morning.
469
00:36:52,126 --> 00:36:54,003
I learned it's very easy
470
00:36:54,086 --> 00:36:57,882
to introduce interference
in cable systems.
471
00:36:57,965 --> 00:36:59,675
Good morning...
472
00:37:02,178 --> 00:37:05,056
So, we introduced
a problem into the house...
473
00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:08,768
annoying and aggravating enough
474
00:37:08,851 --> 00:37:12,230
that if somebody showed up
to troubleshoot a problem,
475
00:37:12,313 --> 00:37:13,731
they'd be happy to see them.
476
00:37:16,734 --> 00:37:18,194
I'm the cableman now.
477
00:37:27,495 --> 00:37:29,163
I ring the doorbell.
478
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,207
Lots of chimes, as I recall.
479
00:37:36,462 --> 00:37:40,341
The gentleman that answers the door
happens to be Tommy Bilotti,
480
00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,926
Paul's right-hand guy.
481
00:37:44,053 --> 00:37:45,471
The guy was a killer.
482
00:37:50,226 --> 00:37:54,063
If something goes wrong,
I need to get out of here immediately.
483
00:38:11,914 --> 00:38:13,874
Residents of New York...
484
00:38:16,544 --> 00:38:18,296
chemicals, as an earlier...
485
00:38:18,379 --> 00:38:22,174
I'm calling into the office,
and they're going to test the line.
486
00:38:22,758 --> 00:38:26,262
I'm actually calling Art,
who is my other agent out there.
487
00:38:26,345 --> 00:38:28,431
And when I go,
"Art, I'm tapping on this."
488
00:38:28,514 --> 00:38:31,517
As I'm tapping, he's making interference.
489
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:32,768
TV's blinking.
490
00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:36,731
- Son, Jesus Christ...
- Get ready, Manhattan...
491
00:38:36,814 --> 00:38:40,818
Preplanned, all orchestrated,
bench tested before I went.
492
00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:46,574
Including my level of uncooperativeness.
493
00:38:48,617 --> 00:38:50,619
I'm acting like
we have to come back.
494
00:38:50,703 --> 00:38:52,371
You have to make an appointment.
495
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:55,041
They don't like appointments.
496
00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:56,292
So, no appointment.
497
00:38:57,752 --> 00:38:59,962
We're gonna do this.
We're gonna do this right now.
498
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:12,767
I took a risk.
499
00:39:13,726 --> 00:39:16,437
I said, "If you give me a hand
for just a minute,
500
00:39:17,021 --> 00:39:18,689
I promise I'll be out of here."
501
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:20,107
"What do you need?"
502
00:39:20,191 --> 00:39:23,986
I go, "Would you just come over here
and hold the flashlight for me?"
503
00:39:35,039 --> 00:39:38,959
So Tommy Bilotti helped me
while I installed the device
504
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:41,087
that had the microphone in it.
505
00:39:46,133 --> 00:39:47,885
Microphone was active.
506
00:39:49,136 --> 00:39:53,182
They were glad to not have me be there
too long, and I was glad to leave.
507
00:39:53,808 --> 00:39:57,436
You know what it takes to stop a crime?
Your help and your neighbors'.
508
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,313
Take a bite out of crime.
509
00:40:09,782 --> 00:40:13,369
Everybody was just thrilled
with the successful installation
510
00:40:13,452 --> 00:40:17,748
of the wire in Paul Castellano's house.
I mean, that was just... Wow.
511
00:40:20,292 --> 00:40:23,504
Your expectations are great.
You expect to hear about murder.
512
00:40:23,587 --> 00:40:27,716
Kill this guy and kill that guy.
It was a big day for the FBI.
513
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:37,101
Paul Castellano, the boss
of the Gambino family, was on tape.
514
00:40:37,184 --> 00:40:38,561
This was really significant,
515
00:40:38,644 --> 00:40:42,898
in that he was the boss of one
of the largest families in the Mafia.
516
00:40:44,024 --> 00:40:46,819
People wouldn't even dream
about this ten years before.
517
00:40:56,328 --> 00:40:58,789
The sound of a Mafia kitchen,
you know what it is?
518
00:40:59,331 --> 00:41:01,792
It's eggs being beaten in a bowl.
519
00:41:06,130 --> 00:41:09,967
I don't recall listening
to any meetings with others.
520
00:41:10,050 --> 00:41:13,637
I just remember
Castellano and Gloria talking.
521
00:41:16,765 --> 00:41:20,978
Gloria was the maid
in this giant mansion that they had.
522
00:41:21,061 --> 00:41:24,190
She cleaned and cooked,
and she'd been there for quite a while.
523
00:41:24,273 --> 00:41:25,566
I got this impression.
524
00:41:25,649 --> 00:41:28,903
She had a certain amount of personality
and they clicked.
525
00:41:28,986 --> 00:41:31,780
You'd listen to this and you'd go,
"What is that?
526
00:41:31,864 --> 00:41:35,493
Alright, stop it here and back it up."
And the reels would go around.
527
00:41:35,576 --> 00:41:36,619
"Let's play it again."
528
00:41:42,625 --> 00:41:44,668
"Oh, God no! Oh, my God!"
529
00:41:45,503 --> 00:41:47,213
Everybody's suddenly realized
530
00:41:47,296 --> 00:41:50,341
he was having a torrid affair
with his maid.
531
00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:55,262
Poor Joe O'Brien had to be all tuned in
to that little soap opera.
532
00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:10,611
My job was
to make a prosecutable case
533
00:42:10,694 --> 00:42:12,071
against Paul Castellano.
534
00:42:14,156 --> 00:42:16,992
I had people talking to me that didn't
even know they were informants,
535
00:42:17,076 --> 00:42:22,081
including Paul Castellano's
maid and lover, Gloria Olarte.
536
00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:24,542
She would we take pictures,
537
00:42:25,125 --> 00:42:29,088
family pictures and pictures of Castellano
meeting his associates.
538
00:42:30,214 --> 00:42:32,174
She gave me those photographs.
539
00:42:33,467 --> 00:42:34,969
But she was an unwitting source.
540
00:42:35,052 --> 00:42:37,846
She didn't know about the bug
in Castellano's house.
541
00:42:45,896 --> 00:42:49,733
You listen to 600 hours' worth
of tapes, you get to know the guy.
542
00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:53,571
So... I did something a little unusual.
543
00:43:00,744 --> 00:43:03,664
I started sending him greeting cards.
544
00:43:06,375 --> 00:43:07,793
Birthday cards.
545
00:43:09,461 --> 00:43:11,213
Get well cards. I heard he was sick.
546
00:43:13,215 --> 00:43:16,427
I sent him a card:
"To a special godfather."
547
00:43:18,220 --> 00:43:20,889
I was messing with him.
This was psychological warfare.
548
00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:22,933
I wanted to see what they were made of.
549
00:43:24,727 --> 00:43:27,646
My partner Andy and I were listening
and had the headsets on.
550
00:43:28,355 --> 00:43:30,107
He talked about the greeting cards.
551
00:43:31,191 --> 00:43:34,820
A lot of profanity and everything.
Kind of funny when you listen to the guy
552
00:43:34,903 --> 00:43:37,323
and he's opening a card
and talking about you.
553
00:43:38,073 --> 00:43:42,119
That's when Gloria revealed
that she'd been meeting with me privately.
554
00:43:42,202 --> 00:43:43,954
And I figured, "Uh-oh."
555
00:43:46,832 --> 00:43:49,460
He scolded her like a little schoolgirl.
556
00:43:49,543 --> 00:43:51,420
"You don't meet with Mr. Joe anymore.
557
00:43:51,503 --> 00:43:54,173
You stay away from O'Brien.
You understand, Gloria."
558
00:43:55,716 --> 00:43:58,594
Castellano's bodyguard
started goading him.
559
00:43:58,677 --> 00:44:01,764
"We can get rid of this guy, O'Brien."
560
00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:04,933
They were goading Castellano
to put a contract out of my life.
561
00:44:07,728 --> 00:44:10,731
Scary people, you know.
They're murders. They're psychopaths.
562
00:44:12,858 --> 00:44:15,694
It was said that Castellano
could order somebody killed
563
00:44:15,778 --> 00:44:18,906
by just lifting an eyebrow.
Didn't have to say a word.
564
00:44:25,412 --> 00:44:28,290
If he had gone silent,
it would have been all over for me.
565
00:44:33,629 --> 00:44:35,297
But Castellano said, "No."
566
00:44:37,174 --> 00:44:39,134
Bring too much heat on the family.
567
00:44:39,218 --> 00:44:42,388
"Just be careful, you know.
He's just doing his job."
568
00:44:42,471 --> 00:44:46,058
He defended me,
so I gotta give credit for that.
569
00:44:49,853 --> 00:44:53,816
But it didn't change the fact
that the whole object of my case
570
00:44:53,899 --> 00:44:56,985
was to put Castellano
in a federal prison for life.
571
00:45:00,072 --> 00:45:02,908
I started getting evidence
to implicate him.
572
00:45:06,745 --> 00:45:08,747
Castellano talked about
all kinds of things.
573
00:45:08,831 --> 00:45:12,668
He talked with Tommy Gambino
about dividing up the Garment District.
574
00:45:13,585 --> 00:45:17,881
He spoke with Joe N. Gallo about all
the various rackets they were involved in.
575
00:45:19,341 --> 00:45:22,803
He spoke with Joe Armone
about the restaurant union.
576
00:45:47,453 --> 00:45:49,204
We were hearing more and more
577
00:45:49,288 --> 00:45:51,623
about their involvement
with the labor unions.
578
00:45:53,041 --> 00:45:56,378
That was important information
because it showed the real problem
579
00:45:57,045 --> 00:45:58,839
of organized crime...
580
00:45:58,922 --> 00:46:03,927
that the organized crime groups controlled
the major labor unions in this country.
581
00:46:08,348 --> 00:46:12,478
We were hearing how the Mafia controlled
the Teamsters trucking union,
582
00:46:13,687 --> 00:46:14,855
the Laborers' Union,
583
00:46:16,231 --> 00:46:17,941
the longshoremen union,
584
00:46:18,484 --> 00:46:20,319
the hotel employees' union.
585
00:46:21,862 --> 00:46:25,073
There's so many ways
they used the unions to make money.
586
00:46:26,658 --> 00:46:29,995
They could extort companies
to give their friends jobs.
587
00:46:30,078 --> 00:46:31,914
They could give him health benefits.
588
00:46:35,334 --> 00:46:37,085
The Mob had a lot of power,
589
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,213
because we controlled the unions.
590
00:46:40,255 --> 00:46:42,132
We call in a strike with the Teamsters,
591
00:46:42,216 --> 00:46:44,259
two and a half million people
stop working.
592
00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:46,845
That's a lot of power.
593
00:46:47,304 --> 00:46:50,224
Not to mention the pension funds
that you had at your disposal.
594
00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:53,018
You got hundreds of millions of dollars
sitting in the bank
595
00:46:53,101 --> 00:46:55,979
that you can move anywhere you want.
You control bankers that way.
596
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:59,233
You control insurance companies that way.
And we used that.
597
00:46:59,316 --> 00:47:01,235
And he gave me $5,000.
598
00:47:08,158 --> 00:47:09,368
You control the unions.
599
00:47:09,451 --> 00:47:11,662
You control the Teamsters.
You control the docks.
600
00:47:11,745 --> 00:47:12,913
You control the country.
52403
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