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I'm being accused
of murdering my mom
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by my dad,
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my sister and my brother.
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But there's one thing
I do know,
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I'm going to see my mom
again someday.
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That's for damn sure.
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To think
of your worst day
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and take it times a million.
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Shirley Carter's dead,
and it's a family torn.
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In less than 72 hours,
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Jason Carter has gone
from the 911 caller
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who reported
a woman's murder
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to the suspect
criminally charged
with murder.
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Jason Carter is accused
of murdering his mother,
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of shooting her
at their family home.
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Murder in the first degree
in Iowa
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carries a sentence of life
without the possibility
of parole.
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In Iowa, there's
no worse sentence.
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Jason Carter has never had
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any type of charge
against him,
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and he is seeing this process
for the first time,
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and with amazing consequences
ahead of him.
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Alison kanne:
On June 19th, 2015,
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Shirley Carter
was in her kitchen,
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in her farmhouse.
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Someone came in
and shot her twice.
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There's the door leading in.
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This is the angle that
somebody walking into
the kitchen would've had.
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And so there's Shirley.
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You can see blood
pooling around here,
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dried droplets of blood
down by her foot.
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You can see some drawers
are gone through,
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so it looks like a burglary.
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Whoever that was also took
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a high-powered rifle
from the basement,
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and we don't know that
that missing gun
is the murder weapon.
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But she was shot
with a high-powered rifle,
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and the murder weapon
has never been found.
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The state believes that
Jason pulled into the driveway,
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went inside,
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and either got into
some kind of argument
with his mom,
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or knew he was
going to do what he did.
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There's two competing theories
there about whether
or not they argued
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and Jason lost his temper,
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or whether or not
Jason had planned
to do this the whole time.
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Um...
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That's a picture of my mom.
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She was so proud.
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And this is a picture...
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Of me and my mom,
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and a kitten I had.
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She looks so young there.
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I don't know
how old I was there.
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Gosh...
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Forty years ago.
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It's terrible seeing him
go through this. Um...
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It's something that,
you know, not only
has affected Jason
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but it's affected
our whole family.
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Jason's mom was just
such a part of our lives.
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If he needed help,
she was always right there,
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and if she needed help,
he did the same.
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She was there when
the kids were delivered
in the delivery room.
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She just was the kind
of person that was so giving.
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That's a picture
of my mom and my dad.
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That's chase.
-That's our son.
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I really miss my mom.
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This evening, we'll be
going over the timeline
with Jason
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in order to make sure
that we understand
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what his recollection was
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and that he can explain
his timeline well,
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or whether this all falls
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outside of the time
where Jason even
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should be a potential suspect.
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Hi.
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Branstad: Ali, do you want
to walk through the timeline
with Jason?
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Kanne: Yeah, okay.
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You texted a local
grain company at 10:55 A.M.
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And said, "hey, can you drop off
a load of chemicals
at my dad's house?"
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Then what did you do?
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Took off driving
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to mom's, and then
I went on down,
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pulled up and around
the trees by the shed,
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and parked right by
the fuel barrel,
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got out, and I walked
in the house,
walked straight in.
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You opened the door...
Opened the door,
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screen door.
You stepped inside.
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Stepped inside
and seen mom's legs
and feet sticking out.
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Kanne: What was the first
thing you did?
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I knelt down,
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and grabbed ahold
of her right pant leg
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and shook it,
and said, "mom."
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And...
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I could see the blood
around her left arm.
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Kanne: What did you do next?
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I think
I called my sister.
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'Cause I wanted
somebody to be there
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now.
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I called my dad
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and I tried
calling Shelly too.
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Nobody would answer.
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And then I think
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my sister called me back,
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and I told her
how I found mom.
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And while I was
on the phone with her,
dad came in,
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he stepped across her,
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he knelt down,
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and he gave mom
a kiss on the forehead,
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and said, "mama."
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Okay.
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Branstad:As a person,
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Jason Carter is the guy who
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fixed one of the attorney's
cars when it broke down.
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He's the client who won't call
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when he knows that
I'm spending time
with my children.
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Everything that I've seen
has indicated that Jason Carter
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is a kind and good person.
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And a jury's going
to decide if he
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ever sees freedom again.
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It's terrible
losing your mom, you know?
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She called and checked
on all of US
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every single day almost.
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She was just there
for everything all the time.
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And, you know,
I really miss her.
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Mom kept our
whole family together.
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Now that she's gone,
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the whole family
is falling apart.
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It's terrible.
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The whole family is just
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a complete shambles.
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It's like everybody just
went their separate ways.
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I thought that
I'd be helping my dad
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put crops in
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and trying to
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keep him at ease.
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It didn't happen that way.
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I'm being accused
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of murdering my mom,
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by my dad,
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my sister
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and my brother.
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Branstad:Agent Mark ludwick
is the lead investigator
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in the case
against Jason Carter.
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He listened to the 911 call
before arriving on the scene,
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and before arriving
on the scene,
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had become suspicious
of Jason Carter.
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I listened to
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Jason Carter's 911 call
to the Marion county
sheriff's office,
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and right away,
that set bells off.
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Every time he would cry,
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I'd chuckle at his
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lack of, drama skills.
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Kanne: Right, you guys ready?
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Nathan Olson: Yeah. Hey.
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Branstad:Certain factors
show guilt
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and certain factors
show innocence
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within a 911 call.
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So, in this case,
we really have to look at
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whether or not the 911 call
is truly indicative of guilt
in any manner.
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Branstad:
The "I don't know
what happened"
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is probably what they say
is the biggest red flag,
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when he's observed
the whole and seems to know
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what happened better
than anyone else.
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Kanne: What about the two hours?
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I agree that's an
odd thing for him to say,
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but he had no reason
to think that
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other people would
think it had been two hours.
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He had no reason
to think that that would
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turn suspicion
away from him in some way.
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When I listened to it,
I honestly got
kind of emotional
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because he sounded
so absolutely
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just heartbroken.
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Branstad: But that's
because you know him.
I know.
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Branstad: I agree
that he sounds fake
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to someone who
doesn't know him.
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When he gets upset,
he always sounds hysterical,
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and so we got to
figure out a way
to show the jury that,
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and I don't know
how to do that.
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People react differently
in stressful situations.
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How can you say
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that definitively, based on
something they say
in a stressful situation,
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that they're
most certainly guilty
or not guilty.
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I just don't think it rises
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to the level
of scientific certainty.
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Agent ludwick says
that he focused
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on our client
based on the 911 call.
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Our argument is that
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no expert can listen
to a 911 call
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and say that guy's
guilty or not.
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Kanne:Motive in a murder
investigation is important
to understand.
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It's not something that
the state is required to prove,
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but it does help explain
why someone might do this.
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One of the motives that
the state has put forth
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for Jason allegedly
murdering his mother
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is a financial motive.
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Kanne:Jason's a farmer.
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Essentially,
the state is saying
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Jason was broke
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on the day of the murder,
and that he was desperate.
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And because Jason stood
to inherit his parents' land
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in the event of both
of their deaths,
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the state's saying that
he killed his mother
as sort of a step toward that.
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It's really important
for US to understand
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whether or not Jason
and Shelly were in
financial distress
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on the date of the murder.
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So, today we're going
to go over
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Shelly and Jason's
financial records.
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How do you answer
the question,
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"why do you have $83
in your checking account
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"on June 19th, 2015?"
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Well, actually,
'cause on June 19th...
I get paid on June 20th.
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I'm not joking.
The 20th of every month.
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So, you're saying
that's your salary
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that's going into
the checking account?
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My salary goes
into the account
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the 20th
of every month.
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Kanne: Okay.
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So, what we want
to be able to ask you
on the stand is,
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if you wanted to get money
on June 19th, 2015...
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...how much
could you have gotten?
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I had the $20,000
line of credit
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that was connected
to my checking account.
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I had a $10,000 credit card
that had a zero balance,
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and I also
could have contacted
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Smith fertilizer
and grain,
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told them to cut me a check
for over $15,000.
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So, right there alone,
on that day,
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I could've accessed $45,000.
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And then, we had $145,000
worth of grain
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sitting in the bins
that we hadn't sold yet.
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Kanne: Right.
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So, when we ask you
those questions,
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I don't want you to lead
with the credit cards.
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I want you to lead
with the amount of cash
that you had access to,
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because, you know,
I've got a credit card too.
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So, you mean $145,000?
Kanne: Yeah.
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Essentially,
just showing that
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you're not financially
desperate in any way.
No.
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So, as you can see,
we had well and enough
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to cover
all of our expenses.
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I would think
the documents
speak for themselves.
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Kanne: Well, yeah, you know,
before looking at
all these documents
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it looked, you know, not bad,
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but it looked, you know,
relatively average.
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This makes you guys look good.
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Thanks, Ali.
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Kanne:The main issue
that the prosecution
has pushed,
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"well, you had $83
in this checking account
on that day.
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"Therefore, you're desperate,
therefore, you murdered
your mother."
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I, frankly, really don't think
the prosecution has a point.
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Um, you know,
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I've seen a lot
of different clients
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that actually have
financial issues
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and these aren't one of them.
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Everybody that we've talked to
who knows about
farming has said
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this is totally normal
for a farmer.
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Jason's timeline
is extremely important
to our case.
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We need to establish,
to the best of our ability,
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what time Jason
could have arrived
at the crime scene.
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Bart Howard:The day
of his mother's murder,
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Jason, he was taking grain
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from his different
farm locations
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to the cargill
processing plant.
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We know that he had
a timestamp, 9:58 A.M.
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So, what we're trying
to do is establish
the amount of time
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it takes from cargill plant
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to the farm where
Shirley Carter was murdered.
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And if we can prove
that the time
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doesn't fit
the actual timeline,
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there's no way that
Jason could be responsible
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for the actual murder
of his mother.
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Jason's going to go as fast
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as he feels comfortable
driving the truck.
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The speed limit is 65 here.
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So we're going
seven miles over the limit.
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We should tell
the prosecutor,
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"go buy your own damn semi
and run your own test,
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"and you take all the risk."
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But nope. Here I am
going like hell.
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Unbelievable!
UN-freaking-believable.
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Howard: We're back at the farm
where the semi stays,
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and we're going
to hop into Jason's truck
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and we're going
to head to, um,
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the Carter residence
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where the actual murder
took place.
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Kanne:Whoever shot Shirley
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has got to pull up
in the drive,
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get out of the car,
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get the gun,
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and position themselves
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in the position
that they would need
to shoot Shirley.
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Then they shoot her twice,
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stage the burglary,
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go to the office, ransack it,
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go to the bedroom,
ransack it,
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and then they've got
to hide the gun,
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because the gun
was never found.
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That's a lot to get done.
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There's mom
and dad's place right there.
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Howard: 5407.
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I don't think the timeframes
of what we're seeing
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give US any,
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any time where he could
actually commit a murder.
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Kanne:If Jason had drove
at the fastest speed,
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the earliest he would
have gotten there
would have been 10:54 A.M.
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That gives him 14 minutes
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to murder Shirley,
get rid of the gun,
all of these things.
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I mean, that is the maximum
that it could
possibly have been,
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and we think it was much less.
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The state will argue
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that he could have
murdered his mother
within that timeframe.
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From our perspective,
that's impossible.
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Kanne:Special agent
Mark ludwick is the lead
case investigator
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for this homicide
investigation.
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The murder happened
on Friday, June 19th, 2015.
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Um, on the Monday
following that,
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Jason was approached
by agent Mark ludwick
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outside of his home.
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I would say Jason Carter
became my primary suspect
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on Monday, the 22nd,
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after we had
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face-to-face time
that morning,
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that conversation
was very powerful to me.
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Kanne:It came out through
the course of that interview
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that Jason had,
in fact, had this affair.
325
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Kanne: Inconsistencies are
a pretty standard way
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to call into question
a witness's credibility.
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If you can show that
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somebody has lied in the past
329
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it brings the question
to the jury's mind,
"well, are they lying now?"
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Kanne:That interview
goes on for 11 hours.
331
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On, and on, and on,
"you murdered
your mother, didn't you?"
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"No, I didn't."
"You did, didn't you?"
"No, I didn't."
333
00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:55,980
Law enforcement
is allowed to do this,
334
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but it's very bullying,
335
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and he's really defensive,
with good reason.
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Shelly:During his interview
at the sheriff's office,
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I wanted to talk
to Jason about
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planning his mom's funeral,
339
00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,171
and the agent said to me,
340
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"you probably should know
341
00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:58,943
"that your husband's
having an affair,"
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and I...
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Just speechless, heartbroken.
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It's been very hard
for our marriage,
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00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:21,132
and, you know, I know that
that has nothing to do
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with his mother's death.
347
00:23:24,437 --> 00:23:26,103
People make mistakes,
348
00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:30,341
and to be a good Christian
is to forgive.
349
00:23:34,347 --> 00:23:36,013
I've forgiven Jason,
350
00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:38,616
but I will never forget it.
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00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:58,335
Kanne:Jason's family has
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00:23:58,371 --> 00:24:01,372
definitely not stuck by him
throughout all of this.
353
00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:04,308
The first day when
Shirley was murdered,
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00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:07,278
the entire family came out
very strongly saying that,
355
00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:09,146
"no way Jason did this.
We know him.
356
00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:11,449
"It's not possible.
It's not in his character."
357
00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,984
That includes jana,
Jason's sister,
358
00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:16,187
and his brother,
and his father, bill.
359
00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:18,923
Shelly: Hi, guys.
360
00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,257
Hi.
Olson: Hey, guys.
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Kanne:Our current theory
as to why
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00:24:22,728 --> 00:24:24,495
Jason's family members
turned against him
363
00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:27,431
is that agent Mark ludwick
deliberately manipulated them
364
00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:29,266
into believing that
Jason was guilty.
365
00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:38,836
Shelly, what happened there?
366
00:25:39,438 --> 00:25:42,540
It was just so strange
to be that distraught,
367
00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:44,308
and disturbed,
and it just felt like
368
00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,678
everything was going crazy
and falling apart,
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00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:49,046
and he's like,
370
00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:52,483
"jana, why don't you
just come back here
with me so we can talk."
371
00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:55,386
And I just thought, "what?"
372
00:25:57,456 --> 00:25:58,489
All right.
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00:27:13,032 --> 00:27:14,798
Kanne: See, look,
"what did he have to gain now?"
374
00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:17,935
She's already...
She's come to
the conclusion at this point.
375
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:20,237
Yup. Why didn't she
come outside...
376
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:24,141
Come the next day
and eventually say something.
377
00:27:24,176 --> 00:27:25,242
This is the point where
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00:27:25,277 --> 00:27:27,111
she got set on that path.
379
00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,680
And it's really hard
to bring people back
from a path
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00:27:29,715 --> 00:27:31,215
of believing
what they believe.
381
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,018
And then ludwick gets
back into his car
382
00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,386
with another
law enforcement officer,
383
00:27:35,421 --> 00:27:36,720
I don't know who it is,
384
00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:38,756
um, and they say something
really interesting.
385
00:28:03,983 --> 00:28:06,383
Kanne: You hear that?
He said, "is your mic on?"
"You're not recording..." Yeah.
386
00:28:12,324 --> 00:28:14,892
One of the biggest
weaknesses in our case
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00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:17,695
is that your family's
against you.
388
00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:19,163
And one of
my biggest concerns
389
00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,564
is the jury's gonna
look at it and say,
390
00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:22,866
"well, if his family
thinks he did it,
he must have."
391
00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,707
It's unusual to have
an investigator
trying to recruit
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00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:32,910
family members
or other individuals
393
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,946
over to his position
with regard
to an investigation.
394
00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:39,416
I don't think there's
any question that
395
00:28:39,452 --> 00:28:42,119
strategically,
agent ludwick intended
396
00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:44,888
to get jana
to turn against Jason,
397
00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:47,124
and that was the effect
his words had.
398
00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:03,974
This is a really
rare picture
399
00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,112
of my mom and dad,
400
00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:10,314
me, and my brother
and sister.
401
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,120
This is my brother,
402
00:29:16,222 --> 00:29:18,822
and that's my sister, jana,
403
00:29:18,858 --> 00:29:21,959
of course me,
and my mom, and my dad.
404
00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:26,530
Sure were happy then.
405
00:29:32,872 --> 00:29:34,972
Ludwick absolutely
406
00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:37,841
used the affair against me,
407
00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:39,910
and,
408
00:29:40,246 --> 00:29:41,779
pretty much tried
to paint a picture
409
00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:44,882
to my dad and sister,
you know?
410
00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:47,985
If he can have an affair,
he can shoot his mom.
411
00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,459
They sure bought it
hook, line and sinker.
412
00:29:57,696 --> 00:29:59,596
It's just like they lost
413
00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:02,132
all their common sense.
414
00:30:08,841 --> 00:30:10,541
You would think
415
00:30:10,576 --> 00:30:12,643
that your own
flesh and blood
416
00:30:13,212 --> 00:30:15,012
would know that deep down
417
00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:17,214
there is no way in hell
418
00:30:17,616 --> 00:30:19,316
he could do this to his mom.
419
00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,758
They blame me
for my mom's death
420
00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:32,763
because they listened
to Mark ludwick.
421
00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,867
I've never seen
a more evil
422
00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:41,038
officer in my life.
423
00:30:59,925 --> 00:31:02,926
I grew up on a farm
just east of here.
424
00:31:04,663 --> 00:31:07,164
If we drove
to the other end
of the field
425
00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,867
and looked straight across
that open gap over there,
426
00:31:09,902 --> 00:31:11,835
you can see my dad's place.
427
00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:14,738
The the only place
I ever remember.
428
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:20,210
I was the youngest
child by far.
429
00:31:21,847 --> 00:31:26,083
When my brother left,
I was eight years old,
430
00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:29,853
and my dad showed me
what chores he did.
431
00:31:30,956 --> 00:31:33,457
I was expected to do that
morning and night.
432
00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:36,894
And I did it,
433
00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:40,464
you know, you weren't
gonna tell him no.
434
00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:51,742
I think that's my dad.
435
00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:58,448
That's my dad right there
seeing what's going on.
436
00:32:00,452 --> 00:32:02,085
Seems like whenever
I'm over here,
437
00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:04,821
somebody's driving by
to see what I'm doing.
438
00:32:07,993 --> 00:32:09,660
I used to be worried
439
00:32:09,695 --> 00:32:12,262
he might harm me
in some particular way.
440
00:32:13,232 --> 00:32:16,700
Um... I guess over time
we've gotten over that.
441
00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:22,005
You know,
442
00:32:22,574 --> 00:32:25,042
my dad's always been
right about everything.
443
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:30,314
And I really, honest to god,
can't think of
444
00:32:30,349 --> 00:32:33,183
one time he's ever admitted
to being wrong.
445
00:32:34,019 --> 00:32:36,887
I don't know, he kinda just
carries around an iron fist.
446
00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:41,491
And god help you
if you cross him.
447
00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:04,948
Kanne:This green
metal gun cabinet here
448
00:33:05,017 --> 00:33:08,118
is where the missing
gun came from.
449
00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:10,520
You can see
there's an unspent round
450
00:33:10,556 --> 00:33:12,489
for a .270 in that door.
451
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,293
Crime scene team originally
did not document that.
452
00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:17,894
I mean, they took
this picture of it,
453
00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:20,364
but didn't give it
any significance.
454
00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:22,632
They also didn't collect
this gun cabinet.
455
00:33:22,668 --> 00:33:25,168
Now, it's doesn't take
456
00:33:25,237 --> 00:33:27,137
a background in
crime scene investigation
457
00:33:27,206 --> 00:33:28,905
to know that when you think
a murder weapon has come
458
00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:30,040
from a particular location,
459
00:33:30,075 --> 00:33:31,975
you may wanna
dust it for prints,
460
00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:32,976
or, you know,
461
00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:35,445
keep it from being
contaminated with further
462
00:33:35,581 --> 00:33:37,214
by removing it
from the crime scene.
463
00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,017
Unfortunately, there were
some failures
464
00:33:40,152 --> 00:33:42,486
on the investigation
of her body.
465
00:33:42,554 --> 00:33:45,188
We don't know
the time Shirley died.
466
00:33:45,224 --> 00:33:47,224
We just wish her
body temperature was taken.
467
00:33:47,326 --> 00:33:49,559
It's not indicated
on any report.
468
00:33:50,796 --> 00:33:54,464
Both Jason and bill
have said that Shirley
was cold and stiff.
469
00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,534
Bill, in particular,
used the words
"rigor mortis" repeatedly.
470
00:33:57,603 --> 00:33:59,169
'Cause that's
a big issue here,
471
00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:01,872
because if she died,
as the state has said,
472
00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,409
between 10:50 A.M.
and 11:08,
473
00:34:05,444 --> 00:34:08,478
then there's no medical
possibility that she was
in rigor mortis.
474
00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:10,147
But if she was
in rigor mortis,
475
00:34:10,182 --> 00:34:12,349
there's no medical possibility
that Jason did this.
476
00:34:14,086 --> 00:34:16,186
What law enforcement
is supposed to do
477
00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:18,121
is look at
the evidence first,
478
00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:20,057
then come up with
a theory about who did it.
479
00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:22,759
What happened here,
pretty apparently,
480
00:34:22,795 --> 00:34:24,728
is that they
picked a theory first,
481
00:34:24,763 --> 00:34:26,930
and then law enforcement
wasn't really interested
482
00:34:26,965 --> 00:34:29,066
in pursuing any leads
that didn't fit the theory
483
00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,801
that Jason was guilty.
484
00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:00,730
Branstad:I talked
with ed bull, the prosecutor.
485
00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:03,100
Ed has pretty much said
486
00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,268
if you wanted to plead
to voluntary manslaughter,
487
00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:06,770
which is
a 10-year sentence,
488
00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:09,306
I'm gonna say between
three and five years served,
489
00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:11,842
but it's closer to three
in everything I've seen,
490
00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:14,177
that he would
consider an alford plea...
491
00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:15,278
What's that?
492
00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:16,947
Branstad: An alford plea
is a plea where
493
00:35:16,982 --> 00:35:20,817
the defendant doesn't
directly admit anything,
but says,
494
00:35:20,886 --> 00:35:24,054
"even though I'm not admitting
this, I want to take
advantage of the plea."
495
00:35:24,857 --> 00:35:27,691
Most of the time
when you do that,
that's essentially
496
00:35:27,726 --> 00:35:29,559
a guilty plea
without pleading guilty.
497
00:35:30,362 --> 00:35:32,262
This is an offer so good
498
00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:33,497
that we have to wonder
499
00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:36,133
how confident
the prosecutor can
feel about this case.
500
00:35:36,735 --> 00:35:39,536
You need to talk about
and think about it.
501
00:35:40,806 --> 00:35:43,039
You're the one who has
all the real risk here.
502
00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:44,274
I mean,
503
00:35:45,577 --> 00:35:47,444
I've told you,
I mean, if we lose,
504
00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:49,746
Ali will cry for days,
505
00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:51,515
I will be beside myself,
506
00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,184
ward will feel terrible,
Nate will beat himself up,
507
00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:55,986
but we wouldn't be
serving the time.
508
00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:59,022
And you have to make
the final decision.
509
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:01,725
You just have
to think about that.
510
00:36:02,895 --> 00:36:05,562
And you can decide any time,
but the sooner the better.
511
00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:13,904
Branstad:This is an offer
that you don't often see.
512
00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,073
This would be
a difficult decision
for anyone.
513
00:36:18,076 --> 00:36:20,277
Whether unfairly
accused or not,
514
00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:22,879
and you're looking
at life in prison,
515
00:36:22,981 --> 00:36:24,681
a deal that has you
516
00:36:24,716 --> 00:36:27,617
in prison
for a much shorter time,
517
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,320
and able to get out
of prison in time
518
00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:32,722
to see your child
graduate from high school
519
00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:34,758
and meet your grandchildren
520
00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,159
is tempting.
521
00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:56,913
The prosecutor,
ed bull, offered a plea.
522
00:36:58,584 --> 00:37:01,585
And...
I was up all night.
523
00:37:03,055 --> 00:37:05,622
I laid there and I watched
my wife sleep.
524
00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:14,097
I almost
went and got a coin
525
00:37:15,067 --> 00:37:16,399
and flipped it.
526
00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:18,868
But...
527
00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:21,571
I'm not a gambling man.
528
00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:26,843
It's hard to,
529
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,180
give up a guarantee
530
00:37:30,716 --> 00:37:32,549
to see your wife
and kids in a few years.
531
00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:39,055
But I'm not...
532
00:37:40,359 --> 00:37:41,691
I'm not doing it.
533
00:37:41,727 --> 00:37:43,059
I'm not...
534
00:37:43,795 --> 00:37:45,629
Not accepting Ed's plea
535
00:37:46,598 --> 00:37:48,565
for something I didn't do.
536
00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:50,533
Um...
537
00:37:50,836 --> 00:37:53,370
My family and my mom
would be really disappointed.
538
00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,805
And quite frankly,
539
00:37:56,375 --> 00:37:59,442
I wanna see Christine
hand them their ass in court
540
00:38:00,012 --> 00:38:02,279
and bring this all to light
541
00:38:02,814 --> 00:38:04,614
on how everything's been done.
542
00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:07,917
Win or lose,
543
00:38:08,353 --> 00:38:11,488
I want her lay it all
out there like it really is.
544
00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:36,946
Branstad:We've received
police reports
545
00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:38,882
provided by the state.
546
00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:41,017
Mostly, they are
audio recordings
547
00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:42,852
from individuals who
548
00:38:42,888 --> 00:38:44,087
went to law enforcement
549
00:38:44,256 --> 00:38:47,023
and said, "hey, we've got
information that
may help you
550
00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,359
"solve this murder case."
551
00:38:52,564 --> 00:38:54,397
This is certainly information
552
00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:57,534
that calls into question
the investigation,
553
00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:59,602
calls into question
the analysis
554
00:38:59,638 --> 00:39:03,807
of what really happened
on June 19th, 2015.
555
00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:05,308
Okay...
556
00:39:06,311 --> 00:39:08,511
Kanne: So, I thought maybe
we could listen
557
00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:09,913
to charity roush's
audio.
558
00:39:09,948 --> 00:39:12,215
I've read a report.
Have not listened
to the audio.
559
00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,351
Okay.
560
00:39:38,844 --> 00:39:40,577
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
Branstad: Whoa!
561
00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:41,811
Olson: Wait, what?
562
00:39:45,317 --> 00:39:47,250
Branstad: She's saying
that Joe said
563
00:39:47,285 --> 00:39:48,952
he did it.
Kanne: He did it.
564
00:39:49,087 --> 00:39:50,153
Okay.
565
00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:07,404
It's very clear that
she heard something
566
00:40:07,439 --> 00:40:09,506
that she believes
was about the murder,
567
00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:11,841
and she heard it back
when it was going on.
568
00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:52,715
Finished it?
569
00:40:52,818 --> 00:40:54,184
Holy moly.
570
00:40:58,190 --> 00:41:00,657
Branstad: Your honor, we have
statements by law enforcement
571
00:41:00,692 --> 00:41:02,592
showing an unwillingness
572
00:41:03,228 --> 00:41:04,427
to pursue leads.
573
00:41:04,696 --> 00:41:06,262
This is hearsay.
574
00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:08,698
How is this going
to be admissible?
575
00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,268
Kanne:The state wants
to exclude the evidence
576
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:13,770
of these other suspects.
577
00:41:13,872 --> 00:41:15,004
Even though it's hearsay,
578
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,706
we're not offering it
for the truth of the matter.
579
00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:18,007
We're offering it to show
580
00:41:18,076 --> 00:41:20,810
that law enforcement
did a really
bad investigation.
581
00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:24,447
Absolutely
UN-freaking-believable.
582
00:41:24,483 --> 00:41:25,515
I could make
or break the case.
583
00:41:26,384 --> 00:41:27,984
Really makes
a guy wonder,
584
00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:29,385
what the hell
are they trying to pull?
585
00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:31,754
We're scared.
586
00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:32,922
Branstad:I get that.
587
00:41:32,958 --> 00:41:35,925
We have two kids that
he has to go home to.
588
00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:38,895
Branstad:
There's no DNA evidence,
no fingerprint evidence,
589
00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,230
no ballistic evidence.
590
00:41:40,332 --> 00:41:42,198
In order for
the state's theory
to be true,
591
00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,101
every single person
who did make an analysis
592
00:41:45,203 --> 00:41:47,570
as to time of death
is wrong.
593
00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:50,740
Only two people know
what happened that day.
594
00:41:50,775 --> 00:41:52,442
One of them is dead,
595
00:41:52,477 --> 00:41:53,877
and the other one
is sitting in that chair.
596
00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:55,745
Find him guilty
as charged.
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