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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:29,764 --> 00:00:33,699 I'm being accused of murdering my mom 2 00:00:34,168 --> 00:00:35,534 by my dad, 3 00:00:35,636 --> 00:00:38,837 my sister and my brother. 4 00:00:42,043 --> 00:00:44,543 But there's one thing I do know, 5 00:00:44,578 --> 00:00:47,880 I'm going to see my mom again someday. 6 00:00:49,216 --> 00:00:50,983 That's for damn sure. 7 00:01:02,763 --> 00:01:04,797 To think of your worst day 8 00:01:04,899 --> 00:01:07,032 and take it times a million. 9 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,354 Shirley Carter's dead, and it's a family torn. 10 00:01:29,390 --> 00:01:31,490 In less than 72 hours, 11 00:01:31,525 --> 00:01:34,159 Jason Carter has gone from the 911 caller 12 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:36,328 who reported a woman's murder 13 00:01:36,397 --> 00:01:39,865 to the suspect criminally charged with murder. 14 00:01:50,978 --> 00:01:54,580 Jason Carter is accused of murdering his mother, 15 00:01:55,549 --> 00:01:58,684 of shooting her at their family home. 16 00:01:59,620 --> 00:02:01,720 Murder in the first degree in Iowa 17 00:02:01,755 --> 00:02:04,823 carries a sentence of life without the possibility of parole. 18 00:02:06,494 --> 00:02:08,527 In Iowa, there's no worse sentence. 19 00:02:09,063 --> 00:02:11,196 Jason Carter has never had 20 00:02:11,232 --> 00:02:13,665 any type of charge against him, 21 00:02:14,135 --> 00:02:17,169 and he is seeing this process for the first time, 22 00:02:17,238 --> 00:02:20,305 and with amazing consequences ahead of him. 23 00:02:22,810 --> 00:02:25,077 Alison kanne: On June 19th, 2015, 24 00:02:25,112 --> 00:02:28,413 Shirley Carter was in her kitchen, 25 00:02:28,516 --> 00:02:30,349 in her farmhouse. 26 00:02:30,684 --> 00:02:33,051 Someone came in and shot her twice. 27 00:02:35,689 --> 00:02:37,189 There's the door leading in. 28 00:02:38,626 --> 00:02:41,426 This is the angle that somebody walking into the kitchen would've had. 29 00:02:41,929 --> 00:02:43,695 And so there's Shirley. 30 00:02:44,331 --> 00:02:46,765 You can see blood pooling around here, 31 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:49,001 dried droplets of blood down by her foot. 32 00:02:49,703 --> 00:02:52,404 You can see some drawers are gone through, 33 00:02:52,540 --> 00:02:54,840 so it looks like a burglary. 34 00:02:54,942 --> 00:02:57,476 Whoever that was also took 35 00:02:57,578 --> 00:02:59,912 a high-powered rifle from the basement, 36 00:02:59,947 --> 00:03:03,081 and we don't know that that missing gun is the murder weapon. 37 00:03:03,117 --> 00:03:05,417 But she was shot with a high-powered rifle, 38 00:03:06,554 --> 00:03:09,154 and the murder weapon has never been found. 39 00:03:12,459 --> 00:03:15,060 The state believes that Jason pulled into the driveway, 40 00:03:15,095 --> 00:03:16,428 went inside, 41 00:03:16,463 --> 00:03:20,065 and either got into some kind of argument with his mom, 42 00:03:20,434 --> 00:03:22,801 or knew he was going to do what he did. 43 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:25,737 There's two competing theories there about whether or not they argued 44 00:03:25,839 --> 00:03:27,172 and Jason lost his temper, 45 00:03:27,208 --> 00:03:29,508 or whether or not Jason had planned to do this the whole time. 46 00:03:39,687 --> 00:03:41,987 Um... 47 00:03:42,156 --> 00:03:44,022 That's a picture of my mom. 48 00:03:46,093 --> 00:03:47,859 She was so proud. 49 00:03:54,068 --> 00:03:56,501 And this is a picture... 50 00:03:57,504 --> 00:03:59,104 Of me and my mom, 51 00:03:59,139 --> 00:04:00,939 and a kitten I had. 52 00:04:03,744 --> 00:04:05,978 She looks so young there. 53 00:04:07,281 --> 00:04:09,381 I don't know how old I was there. 54 00:04:11,885 --> 00:04:13,352 Gosh... 55 00:04:14,855 --> 00:04:16,688 Forty years ago. 56 00:04:20,894 --> 00:04:24,696 It's terrible seeing him go through this. Um... 57 00:04:26,133 --> 00:04:29,268 It's something that, you know, not only has affected Jason 58 00:04:29,370 --> 00:04:31,069 but it's affected our whole family. 59 00:04:32,606 --> 00:04:36,141 Jason's mom was just such a part of our lives. 60 00:04:37,211 --> 00:04:39,911 If he needed help, she was always right there, 61 00:04:39,980 --> 00:04:43,048 and if she needed help, he did the same. 62 00:04:44,051 --> 00:04:47,452 She was there when the kids were delivered in the delivery room. 63 00:04:48,622 --> 00:04:51,657 She just was the kind of person that was so giving. 64 00:04:58,265 --> 00:05:01,233 That's a picture of my mom and my dad. 65 00:05:03,037 --> 00:05:05,771 That's chase. -That's our son. 66 00:05:09,009 --> 00:05:11,376 I really miss my mom. 67 00:05:40,541 --> 00:05:44,443 This evening, we'll be going over the timeline with Jason 68 00:05:44,478 --> 00:05:47,179 in order to make sure that we understand 69 00:05:47,748 --> 00:05:49,848 what his recollection was 70 00:05:49,883 --> 00:05:52,250 and that he can explain his timeline well, 71 00:05:53,354 --> 00:05:55,120 or whether this all falls 72 00:05:55,622 --> 00:05:57,956 outside of the time where Jason even 73 00:05:58,058 --> 00:05:59,858 should be a potential suspect. 74 00:06:03,297 --> 00:06:04,429 Hi. 75 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:09,701 Branstad: Ali, do you want to walk through the timeline with Jason? 76 00:06:09,803 --> 00:06:11,069 Kanne: Yeah, okay. 77 00:06:11,105 --> 00:06:13,972 You texted a local grain company at 10:55 A.M. 78 00:06:14,041 --> 00:06:16,975 And said, "hey, can you drop off a load of chemicals at my dad's house?" 79 00:06:17,811 --> 00:06:19,010 Then what did you do? 80 00:06:19,646 --> 00:06:20,846 Took off driving 81 00:06:20,914 --> 00:06:23,915 to mom's, and then I went on down, 82 00:06:23,984 --> 00:06:26,351 pulled up and around the trees by the shed, 83 00:06:26,453 --> 00:06:28,220 and parked right by the fuel barrel, 84 00:06:28,255 --> 00:06:31,790 got out, and I walked in the house, walked straight in. 85 00:06:31,859 --> 00:06:33,759 You opened the door... Opened the door, 86 00:06:33,794 --> 00:06:35,026 screen door. You stepped inside. 87 00:06:35,062 --> 00:06:38,296 Stepped inside and seen mom's legs and feet sticking out. 88 00:06:38,699 --> 00:06:40,031 Kanne: What was the first thing you did? 89 00:06:40,701 --> 00:06:42,367 I knelt down, 90 00:06:42,970 --> 00:06:45,437 and grabbed ahold of her right pant leg 91 00:06:45,606 --> 00:06:48,073 and shook it, and said, "mom." 92 00:06:50,511 --> 00:06:51,943 And... 93 00:06:51,979 --> 00:06:54,646 I could see the blood around her left arm. 94 00:06:58,152 --> 00:07:00,085 Kanne: What did you do next? 95 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:02,254 I think I called my sister. 96 00:07:04,358 --> 00:07:08,326 'Cause I wanted somebody to be there 97 00:07:08,629 --> 00:07:09,895 now. 98 00:07:11,064 --> 00:07:12,798 I called my dad 99 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,534 and I tried calling Shelly too. 100 00:07:17,938 --> 00:07:19,838 Nobody would answer. 101 00:07:24,111 --> 00:07:25,644 And then I think 102 00:07:25,946 --> 00:07:28,413 my sister called me back, 103 00:07:29,683 --> 00:07:32,417 and I told her how I found mom. 104 00:07:34,655 --> 00:07:38,557 And while I was on the phone with her, dad came in, 105 00:07:41,462 --> 00:07:43,361 he stepped across her, 106 00:07:43,397 --> 00:07:45,697 he knelt down, 107 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:50,068 and he gave mom a kiss on the forehead, 108 00:07:51,738 --> 00:07:53,405 and said, "mama." 109 00:07:58,779 --> 00:07:59,878 Okay. 110 00:08:02,082 --> 00:08:03,648 Branstad:As a person, 111 00:08:03,684 --> 00:08:06,718 Jason Carter is the guy who 112 00:08:06,753 --> 00:08:10,055 fixed one of the attorney's cars when it broke down. 113 00:08:12,125 --> 00:08:14,025 He's the client who won't call 114 00:08:14,127 --> 00:08:16,895 when he knows that I'm spending time with my children. 115 00:08:18,866 --> 00:08:22,100 Everything that I've seen has indicated that Jason Carter 116 00:08:22,736 --> 00:08:24,102 is a kind and good person. 117 00:08:26,540 --> 00:08:29,341 And a jury's going to decide if he 118 00:08:30,110 --> 00:08:33,011 ever sees freedom again. 119 00:08:41,688 --> 00:08:44,523 It's terrible losing your mom, you know? 120 00:08:44,625 --> 00:08:47,492 She called and checked on all of US 121 00:08:47,528 --> 00:08:49,761 every single day almost. 122 00:08:51,498 --> 00:08:55,000 She was just there for everything all the time. 123 00:08:57,237 --> 00:09:00,505 And, you know, I really miss her. 124 00:09:05,579 --> 00:09:07,646 Mom kept our whole family together. 125 00:09:09,316 --> 00:09:10,682 Now that she's gone, 126 00:09:10,751 --> 00:09:12,817 the whole family is falling apart. 127 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:15,020 It's terrible. 128 00:09:15,055 --> 00:09:16,888 The whole family is just 129 00:09:17,791 --> 00:09:19,491 a complete shambles. 130 00:09:21,228 --> 00:09:23,895 It's like everybody just went their separate ways. 131 00:09:25,465 --> 00:09:28,567 I thought that I'd be helping my dad 132 00:09:28,602 --> 00:09:30,135 put crops in 133 00:09:31,171 --> 00:09:32,637 and trying to 134 00:09:35,275 --> 00:09:36,741 keep him at ease. 135 00:09:38,078 --> 00:09:40,745 It didn't happen that way. 136 00:09:41,648 --> 00:09:43,682 I'm being accused 137 00:09:43,784 --> 00:09:46,017 of murdering my mom, 138 00:09:50,490 --> 00:09:52,324 by my dad, 139 00:09:53,393 --> 00:09:54,960 my sister 140 00:09:55,062 --> 00:09:56,828 and my brother. 141 00:10:07,207 --> 00:10:10,475 Branstad:Agent Mark ludwick is the lead investigator 142 00:10:10,510 --> 00:10:12,711 in the case against Jason Carter. 143 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,181 He listened to the 911 call before arriving on the scene, 144 00:10:16,216 --> 00:10:17,983 and before arriving on the scene, 145 00:10:18,018 --> 00:10:21,019 had become suspicious of Jason Carter. 146 00:10:21,555 --> 00:10:23,154 I listened to 147 00:10:24,558 --> 00:10:27,726 Jason Carter's 911 call to the Marion county sheriff's office, 148 00:10:27,794 --> 00:10:30,862 and right away, that set bells off. 149 00:10:31,398 --> 00:10:33,798 Every time he would cry, 150 00:10:33,834 --> 00:10:36,434 I'd chuckle at his 151 00:10:36,603 --> 00:10:39,571 lack of, drama skills. 152 00:10:42,843 --> 00:10:44,075 Kanne: Right, you guys ready? 153 00:10:44,111 --> 00:10:45,410 Nathan Olson: Yeah. Hey. 154 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:47,312 Branstad:Certain factors show guilt 155 00:10:47,414 --> 00:10:48,947 and certain factors show innocence 156 00:10:49,049 --> 00:10:50,982 within a 911 call. 157 00:10:51,018 --> 00:10:54,352 So, in this case, we really have to look at 158 00:10:54,888 --> 00:10:58,523 whether or not the 911 call is truly indicative of guilt in any manner. 159 00:11:29,056 --> 00:11:30,588 Branstad: The "I don't know what happened" 160 00:11:30,657 --> 00:11:33,525 is probably what they say is the biggest red flag, 161 00:11:33,627 --> 00:11:35,560 when he's observed the whole and seems to know 162 00:11:35,595 --> 00:11:37,362 what happened better than anyone else. 163 00:11:37,397 --> 00:11:38,763 Kanne: What about the two hours? 164 00:11:38,865 --> 00:11:41,533 I agree that's an odd thing for him to say, 165 00:11:41,968 --> 00:11:44,002 but he had no reason to think that 166 00:11:44,071 --> 00:11:46,471 other people would think it had been two hours. 167 00:11:46,506 --> 00:11:48,540 He had no reason to think that that would 168 00:11:48,642 --> 00:11:51,042 turn suspicion away from him in some way. 169 00:11:51,745 --> 00:11:54,279 When I listened to it, I honestly got kind of emotional 170 00:11:54,381 --> 00:11:56,915 because he sounded so absolutely 171 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:58,083 just heartbroken. 172 00:11:58,118 --> 00:12:00,185 Branstad: But that's because you know him. I know. 173 00:12:00,253 --> 00:12:02,854 Branstad: I agree that he sounds fake 174 00:12:03,256 --> 00:12:04,989 to someone who doesn't know him. 175 00:12:05,025 --> 00:12:06,925 When he gets upset, he always sounds hysterical, 176 00:12:06,960 --> 00:12:10,128 and so we got to figure out a way to show the jury that, 177 00:12:10,163 --> 00:12:12,163 and I don't know how to do that. 178 00:12:12,199 --> 00:12:14,265 People react differently in stressful situations. 179 00:12:14,301 --> 00:12:15,800 How can you say 180 00:12:15,836 --> 00:12:18,937 that definitively, based on something they say in a stressful situation, 181 00:12:19,005 --> 00:12:21,005 that they're most certainly guilty or not guilty. 182 00:12:21,842 --> 00:12:23,708 I just don't think it rises 183 00:12:23,744 --> 00:12:25,910 to the level of scientific certainty. 184 00:12:28,715 --> 00:12:30,849 Agent ludwick says that he focused 185 00:12:30,951 --> 00:12:33,651 on our client based on the 911 call. 186 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,286 Our argument is that 187 00:12:35,355 --> 00:12:37,722 no expert can listen to a 911 call 188 00:12:37,824 --> 00:12:39,958 and say that guy's guilty or not. 189 00:12:47,934 --> 00:12:51,102 Kanne:Motive in a murder investigation is important to understand. 190 00:12:52,305 --> 00:12:54,906 It's not something that the state is required to prove, 191 00:12:54,975 --> 00:12:58,042 but it does help explain why someone might do this. 192 00:13:03,150 --> 00:13:05,817 One of the motives that the state has put forth 193 00:13:05,919 --> 00:13:08,586 for Jason allegedly murdering his mother 194 00:13:08,622 --> 00:13:10,288 is a financial motive. 195 00:13:19,499 --> 00:13:20,999 Kanne:Jason's a farmer. 196 00:13:21,067 --> 00:13:22,367 Essentially, the state is saying 197 00:13:22,402 --> 00:13:23,568 Jason was broke 198 00:13:23,603 --> 00:13:26,437 on the day of the murder, and that he was desperate. 199 00:13:26,473 --> 00:13:29,674 And because Jason stood to inherit his parents' land 200 00:13:29,709 --> 00:13:31,810 in the event of both of their deaths, 201 00:13:31,878 --> 00:13:35,213 the state's saying that he killed his mother as sort of a step toward that. 202 00:13:36,283 --> 00:13:38,049 It's really important for US to understand 203 00:13:38,084 --> 00:13:40,618 whether or not Jason and Shelly were in financial distress 204 00:13:40,687 --> 00:13:42,387 on the date of the murder. 205 00:13:42,722 --> 00:13:44,055 So, today we're going to go over 206 00:13:44,090 --> 00:13:46,124 Shelly and Jason's financial records. 207 00:13:47,694 --> 00:13:48,993 How do you answer the question, 208 00:13:49,029 --> 00:13:50,795 "why do you have $83 in your checking account 209 00:13:50,831 --> 00:13:53,064 "on June 19th, 2015?" 210 00:13:53,099 --> 00:13:56,267 Well, actually, 'cause on June 19th... I get paid on June 20th. 211 00:13:56,336 --> 00:13:58,136 I'm not joking. The 20th of every month. 212 00:13:58,171 --> 00:13:59,537 So, you're saying that's your salary 213 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:00,839 that's going into the checking account? 214 00:14:00,941 --> 00:14:02,707 My salary goes into the account 215 00:14:02,742 --> 00:14:03,775 the 20th of every month. 216 00:14:03,910 --> 00:14:05,109 Kanne: Okay. 217 00:14:05,178 --> 00:14:07,445 So, what we want to be able to ask you on the stand is, 218 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:11,182 if you wanted to get money on June 19th, 2015... 219 00:14:11,218 --> 00:14:13,117 ...how much could you have gotten? 220 00:14:13,220 --> 00:14:15,787 I had the $20,000 line of credit 221 00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:17,889 that was connected to my checking account. 222 00:14:17,924 --> 00:14:21,092 I had a $10,000 credit card that had a zero balance, 223 00:14:21,161 --> 00:14:22,994 and I also could have contacted 224 00:14:23,029 --> 00:14:24,462 Smith fertilizer and grain, 225 00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:27,866 told them to cut me a check for over $15,000. 226 00:14:27,901 --> 00:14:29,601 So, right there alone, on that day, 227 00:14:29,703 --> 00:14:31,870 I could've accessed $45,000. 228 00:14:31,938 --> 00:14:36,241 And then, we had $145,000 worth of grain 229 00:14:36,276 --> 00:14:38,676 sitting in the bins that we hadn't sold yet. 230 00:14:38,712 --> 00:14:39,811 Kanne: Right. 231 00:14:39,846 --> 00:14:41,112 So, when we ask you those questions, 232 00:14:41,147 --> 00:14:42,714 I don't want you to lead with the credit cards. 233 00:14:42,749 --> 00:14:45,183 I want you to lead with the amount of cash that you had access to, 234 00:14:45,218 --> 00:14:46,918 because, you know, I've got a credit card too. 235 00:14:47,020 --> 00:14:49,220 So, you mean $145,000? Kanne: Yeah. 236 00:14:49,256 --> 00:14:50,288 Essentially, just showing that 237 00:14:50,457 --> 00:14:52,490 you're not financially desperate in any way. No. 238 00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:55,393 So, as you can see, we had well and enough 239 00:14:55,495 --> 00:14:57,595 to cover all of our expenses. 240 00:14:57,631 --> 00:15:00,498 I would think the documents speak for themselves. 241 00:15:00,567 --> 00:15:02,834 Kanne: Well, yeah, you know, before looking at all these documents 242 00:15:02,869 --> 00:15:04,669 it looked, you know, not bad, 243 00:15:04,704 --> 00:15:06,404 but it looked, you know, relatively average. 244 00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:07,906 This makes you guys look good. 245 00:15:13,747 --> 00:15:15,113 Thanks, Ali. 246 00:15:17,050 --> 00:15:18,850 Kanne:The main issue that the prosecution has pushed, 247 00:15:18,885 --> 00:15:22,020 "well, you had $83 in this checking account on that day. 248 00:15:22,122 --> 00:15:25,223 "Therefore, you're desperate, therefore, you murdered your mother." 249 00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:28,259 I, frankly, really don't think the prosecution has a point. 250 00:15:28,295 --> 00:15:30,261 Um, you know, 251 00:15:30,297 --> 00:15:32,063 I've seen a lot of different clients 252 00:15:32,098 --> 00:15:33,598 that actually have financial issues 253 00:15:33,733 --> 00:15:34,732 and these aren't one of them. 254 00:15:36,336 --> 00:15:38,870 Everybody that we've talked to who knows about farming has said 255 00:15:38,905 --> 00:15:41,372 this is totally normal for a farmer. 256 00:15:47,614 --> 00:15:50,949 Jason's timeline is extremely important to our case. 257 00:15:52,052 --> 00:15:54,118 We need to establish, to the best of our ability, 258 00:15:54,154 --> 00:15:56,955 what time Jason could have arrived at the crime scene. 259 00:16:09,502 --> 00:16:11,936 Bart Howard:The day of his mother's murder, 260 00:16:11,972 --> 00:16:14,305 Jason, he was taking grain 261 00:16:14,407 --> 00:16:16,774 from his different farm locations 262 00:16:17,210 --> 00:16:19,811 to the cargill processing plant. 263 00:16:21,381 --> 00:16:24,916 We know that he had a timestamp, 9:58 A.M. 264 00:16:25,685 --> 00:16:28,219 So, what we're trying to do is establish the amount of time 265 00:16:28,254 --> 00:16:30,822 it takes from cargill plant 266 00:16:30,857 --> 00:16:34,058 to the farm where Shirley Carter was murdered. 267 00:16:34,961 --> 00:16:37,161 And if we can prove that the time 268 00:16:37,263 --> 00:16:40,431 doesn't fit the actual timeline, 269 00:16:41,001 --> 00:16:42,934 there's no way that Jason could be responsible 270 00:16:42,969 --> 00:16:44,469 for the actual murder of his mother. 271 00:16:49,009 --> 00:16:50,708 Jason's going to go as fast 272 00:16:50,777 --> 00:16:53,011 as he feels comfortable driving the truck. 273 00:16:53,113 --> 00:16:54,712 The speed limit is 65 here. 274 00:16:54,748 --> 00:16:56,714 So we're going seven miles over the limit. 275 00:16:58,518 --> 00:17:00,051 We should tell the prosecutor, 276 00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:02,887 "go buy your own damn semi and run your own test, 277 00:17:02,922 --> 00:17:05,590 "and you take all the risk." 278 00:17:06,226 --> 00:17:09,560 But nope. Here I am going like hell. 279 00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:15,800 Unbelievable! UN-freaking-believable. 280 00:17:22,675 --> 00:17:26,544 Howard: We're back at the farm where the semi stays, 281 00:17:26,579 --> 00:17:29,013 and we're going to hop into Jason's truck 282 00:17:29,049 --> 00:17:31,883 and we're going to head to, um, 283 00:17:32,419 --> 00:17:33,551 the Carter residence 284 00:17:33,586 --> 00:17:35,553 where the actual murder took place. 285 00:17:38,358 --> 00:17:39,590 Kanne:Whoever shot Shirley 286 00:17:39,626 --> 00:17:42,894 has got to pull up in the drive, 287 00:17:42,929 --> 00:17:44,395 get out of the car, 288 00:17:44,431 --> 00:17:45,897 get the gun, 289 00:17:45,999 --> 00:17:47,498 and position themselves 290 00:17:47,534 --> 00:17:50,068 in the position that they would need to shoot Shirley. 291 00:17:50,403 --> 00:17:52,036 Then they shoot her twice, 292 00:17:52,072 --> 00:17:53,571 stage the burglary, 293 00:17:53,706 --> 00:17:54,972 go to the office, ransack it, 294 00:17:55,008 --> 00:17:56,808 go to the bedroom, ransack it, 295 00:17:56,843 --> 00:17:58,342 and then they've got to hide the gun, 296 00:17:58,445 --> 00:18:00,645 because the gun was never found. 297 00:18:00,713 --> 00:18:02,580 That's a lot to get done. 298 00:18:04,951 --> 00:18:07,552 There's mom and dad's place right there. 299 00:18:09,022 --> 00:18:10,721 Howard: 5407. 300 00:18:13,126 --> 00:18:15,226 I don't think the timeframes of what we're seeing 301 00:18:15,261 --> 00:18:17,095 give US any, 302 00:18:17,197 --> 00:18:19,497 any time where he could actually commit a murder. 303 00:18:20,633 --> 00:18:23,801 Kanne:If Jason had drove at the fastest speed, 304 00:18:24,404 --> 00:18:27,805 the earliest he would have gotten there would have been 10:54 A.M. 305 00:18:28,975 --> 00:18:30,775 That gives him 14 minutes 306 00:18:30,810 --> 00:18:33,845 to murder Shirley, get rid of the gun, all of these things. 307 00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,314 I mean, that is the maximum that it could possibly have been, 308 00:18:36,349 --> 00:18:38,382 and we think it was much less. 309 00:18:38,918 --> 00:18:40,651 The state will argue 310 00:18:40,687 --> 00:18:44,021 that he could have murdered his mother within that timeframe. 311 00:18:44,057 --> 00:18:46,691 From our perspective, that's impossible. 312 00:18:59,038 --> 00:19:02,006 Kanne:Special agent Mark ludwick is the lead case investigator 313 00:19:02,108 --> 00:19:04,275 for this homicide investigation. 314 00:19:04,377 --> 00:19:07,411 The murder happened on Friday, June 19th, 2015. 315 00:19:08,114 --> 00:19:11,816 Um, on the Monday following that, 316 00:19:12,418 --> 00:19:14,485 Jason was approached by agent Mark ludwick 317 00:19:14,521 --> 00:19:16,754 outside of his home. 318 00:19:17,357 --> 00:19:20,892 I would say Jason Carter became my primary suspect 319 00:19:20,994 --> 00:19:22,994 on Monday, the 22nd, 320 00:19:23,129 --> 00:19:25,329 after we had 321 00:19:25,431 --> 00:19:27,965 face-to-face time that morning, 322 00:19:28,034 --> 00:19:32,170 that conversation was very powerful to me. 323 00:20:11,211 --> 00:20:13,144 Kanne:It came out through the course of that interview 324 00:20:13,179 --> 00:20:15,346 that Jason had, in fact, had this affair. 325 00:20:46,646 --> 00:20:48,980 Kanne: Inconsistencies are a pretty standard way 326 00:20:49,082 --> 00:20:51,682 to call into question a witness's credibility. 327 00:20:52,151 --> 00:20:53,851 If you can show that 328 00:20:53,987 --> 00:20:56,020 somebody has lied in the past 329 00:20:56,089 --> 00:20:59,190 it brings the question to the jury's mind, "well, are they lying now?" 330 00:21:47,707 --> 00:21:49,840 Kanne:That interview goes on for 11 hours. 331 00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:51,776 On, and on, and on, "you murdered your mother, didn't you?" 332 00:21:51,811 --> 00:21:54,078 "No, I didn't." "You did, didn't you?" "No, I didn't." 333 00:21:54,580 --> 00:21:55,980 Law enforcement is allowed to do this, 334 00:21:56,015 --> 00:21:57,615 but it's very bullying, 335 00:21:57,684 --> 00:22:00,251 and he's really defensive, with good reason. 336 00:22:44,230 --> 00:22:46,297 Shelly:During his interview at the sheriff's office, 337 00:22:46,733 --> 00:22:49,166 I wanted to talk to Jason about 338 00:22:49,268 --> 00:22:51,969 planning his mom's funeral, 339 00:22:52,372 --> 00:22:54,171 and the agent said to me, 340 00:22:54,207 --> 00:22:56,273 "you probably should know 341 00:22:56,709 --> 00:22:58,943 "that your husband's having an affair," 342 00:22:59,712 --> 00:23:01,612 and I... 343 00:23:09,889 --> 00:23:12,556 Just speechless, heartbroken. 344 00:23:15,595 --> 00:23:18,162 It's been very hard for our marriage, 345 00:23:18,831 --> 00:23:21,132 and, you know, I know that that has nothing to do 346 00:23:21,167 --> 00:23:22,666 with his mother's death. 347 00:23:24,437 --> 00:23:26,103 People make mistakes, 348 00:23:27,173 --> 00:23:30,341 and to be a good Christian is to forgive. 349 00:23:34,347 --> 00:23:36,013 I've forgiven Jason, 350 00:23:36,649 --> 00:23:38,616 but I will never forget it. 351 00:23:56,869 --> 00:23:58,335 Kanne:Jason's family has 352 00:23:58,371 --> 00:24:01,372 definitely not stuck by him throughout all of this. 353 00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:04,308 The first day when Shirley was murdered, 354 00:24:04,410 --> 00:24:07,278 the entire family came out very strongly saying that, 355 00:24:07,380 --> 00:24:09,146 "no way Jason did this. We know him. 356 00:24:09,182 --> 00:24:11,449 "It's not possible. It's not in his character." 357 00:24:11,951 --> 00:24:13,984 That includes jana, Jason's sister, 358 00:24:14,020 --> 00:24:16,187 and his brother, and his father, bill. 359 00:24:17,790 --> 00:24:18,923 Shelly: Hi, guys. 360 00:24:18,958 --> 00:24:20,257 Hi. Olson: Hey, guys. 361 00:24:21,093 --> 00:24:22,626 Kanne:Our current theory as to why 362 00:24:22,728 --> 00:24:24,495 Jason's family members turned against him 363 00:24:24,530 --> 00:24:27,431 is that agent Mark ludwick deliberately manipulated them 364 00:24:27,467 --> 00:24:29,266 into believing that Jason was guilty. 365 00:25:37,370 --> 00:25:38,836 Shelly, what happened there? 366 00:25:39,438 --> 00:25:42,540 It was just so strange to be that distraught, 367 00:25:42,575 --> 00:25:44,308 and disturbed, and it just felt like 368 00:25:44,377 --> 00:25:47,678 everything was going crazy and falling apart, 369 00:25:47,780 --> 00:25:49,046 and he's like, 370 00:25:49,115 --> 00:25:52,483 "jana, why don't you just come back here with me so we can talk." 371 00:25:53,185 --> 00:25:55,386 And I just thought, "what?" 372 00:25:57,456 --> 00:25:58,489 All right. 373 00:27:13,032 --> 00:27:14,798 Kanne: See, look, "what did he have to gain now?" 374 00:27:14,867 --> 00:27:17,935 She's already... She's come to the conclusion at this point. 375 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:20,237 Yup. Why didn't she come outside... 376 00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:24,141 Come the next day and eventually say something. 377 00:27:24,176 --> 00:27:25,242 This is the point where 378 00:27:25,277 --> 00:27:27,111 she got set on that path. 379 00:27:27,146 --> 00:27:29,680 And it's really hard to bring people back from a path 380 00:27:29,715 --> 00:27:31,215 of believing what they believe. 381 00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:34,018 And then ludwick gets back into his car 382 00:27:34,120 --> 00:27:35,386 with another law enforcement officer, 383 00:27:35,421 --> 00:27:36,720 I don't know who it is, 384 00:27:36,756 --> 00:27:38,756 um, and they say something really interesting. 385 00:28:03,983 --> 00:28:06,383 Kanne: You hear that? He said, "is your mic on?" "You're not recording..." Yeah. 386 00:28:12,324 --> 00:28:14,892 One of the biggest weaknesses in our case 387 00:28:15,628 --> 00:28:17,695 is that your family's against you. 388 00:28:17,730 --> 00:28:19,163 And one of my biggest concerns 389 00:28:19,198 --> 00:28:20,564 is the jury's gonna look at it and say, 390 00:28:20,666 --> 00:28:22,866 "well, if his family thinks he did it, he must have." 391 00:28:26,372 --> 00:28:29,707 It's unusual to have an investigator trying to recruit 392 00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:32,910 family members or other individuals 393 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,946 over to his position with regard to an investigation. 394 00:28:37,349 --> 00:28:39,416 I don't think there's any question that 395 00:28:39,452 --> 00:28:42,119 strategically, agent ludwick intended 396 00:28:42,521 --> 00:28:44,888 to get jana to turn against Jason, 397 00:28:45,024 --> 00:28:47,124 and that was the effect his words had. 398 00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:03,974 This is a really rare picture 399 00:29:06,579 --> 00:29:08,112 of my mom and dad, 400 00:29:08,380 --> 00:29:10,314 me, and my brother and sister. 401 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,120 This is my brother, 402 00:29:16,222 --> 00:29:18,822 and that's my sister, jana, 403 00:29:18,858 --> 00:29:21,959 of course me, and my mom, and my dad. 404 00:29:25,030 --> 00:29:26,530 Sure were happy then. 405 00:29:32,872 --> 00:29:34,972 Ludwick absolutely 406 00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:37,841 used the affair against me, 407 00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:39,910 and, 408 00:29:40,246 --> 00:29:41,779 pretty much tried to paint a picture 409 00:29:41,847 --> 00:29:44,882 to my dad and sister, you know? 410 00:29:45,584 --> 00:29:47,985 If he can have an affair, he can shoot his mom. 411 00:29:53,292 --> 00:29:55,459 They sure bought it hook, line and sinker. 412 00:29:57,696 --> 00:29:59,596 It's just like they lost 413 00:30:00,166 --> 00:30:02,132 all their common sense. 414 00:30:08,841 --> 00:30:10,541 You would think 415 00:30:10,576 --> 00:30:12,643 that your own flesh and blood 416 00:30:13,212 --> 00:30:15,012 would know that deep down 417 00:30:15,047 --> 00:30:17,214 there is no way in hell 418 00:30:17,616 --> 00:30:19,316 he could do this to his mom. 419 00:30:25,257 --> 00:30:27,758 They blame me for my mom's death 420 00:30:29,829 --> 00:30:32,763 because they listened to Mark ludwick. 421 00:30:34,300 --> 00:30:36,867 I've never seen a more evil 422 00:30:39,471 --> 00:30:41,038 officer in my life. 423 00:30:59,925 --> 00:31:02,926 I grew up on a farm just east of here. 424 00:31:04,663 --> 00:31:07,164 If we drove to the other end of the field 425 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,867 and looked straight across that open gap over there, 426 00:31:09,902 --> 00:31:11,835 you can see my dad's place. 427 00:31:12,504 --> 00:31:14,738 The the only place I ever remember. 428 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:20,210 I was the youngest child by far. 429 00:31:21,847 --> 00:31:26,083 When my brother left, I was eight years old, 430 00:31:26,552 --> 00:31:29,853 and my dad showed me what chores he did. 431 00:31:30,956 --> 00:31:33,457 I was expected to do that morning and night. 432 00:31:35,060 --> 00:31:36,894 And I did it, 433 00:31:37,630 --> 00:31:40,464 you know, you weren't gonna tell him no. 434 00:31:49,508 --> 00:31:51,742 I think that's my dad. 435 00:31:55,581 --> 00:31:58,448 That's my dad right there seeing what's going on. 436 00:32:00,452 --> 00:32:02,085 Seems like whenever I'm over here, 437 00:32:02,154 --> 00:32:04,821 somebody's driving by to see what I'm doing. 438 00:32:07,993 --> 00:32:09,660 I used to be worried 439 00:32:09,695 --> 00:32:12,262 he might harm me in some particular way. 440 00:32:13,232 --> 00:32:16,700 Um... I guess over time we've gotten over that. 441 00:32:20,773 --> 00:32:22,005 You know, 442 00:32:22,574 --> 00:32:25,042 my dad's always been right about everything. 443 00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:30,314 And I really, honest to god, can't think of 444 00:32:30,349 --> 00:32:33,183 one time he's ever admitted to being wrong. 445 00:32:34,019 --> 00:32:36,887 I don't know, he kinda just carries around an iron fist. 446 00:32:38,390 --> 00:32:41,491 And god help you if you cross him. 447 00:33:03,048 --> 00:33:04,948 Kanne:This green metal gun cabinet here 448 00:33:05,017 --> 00:33:08,118 is where the missing gun came from. 449 00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:10,520 You can see there's an unspent round 450 00:33:10,556 --> 00:33:12,489 for a .270 in that door. 451 00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:16,293 Crime scene team originally did not document that. 452 00:33:16,328 --> 00:33:17,894 I mean, they took this picture of it, 453 00:33:17,930 --> 00:33:20,364 but didn't give it any significance. 454 00:33:20,399 --> 00:33:22,632 They also didn't collect this gun cabinet. 455 00:33:22,668 --> 00:33:25,168 Now, it's doesn't take 456 00:33:25,237 --> 00:33:27,137 a background in crime scene investigation 457 00:33:27,206 --> 00:33:28,905 to know that when you think a murder weapon has come 458 00:33:29,008 --> 00:33:30,040 from a particular location, 459 00:33:30,075 --> 00:33:31,975 you may wanna dust it for prints, 460 00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:32,976 or, you know, 461 00:33:33,112 --> 00:33:35,445 keep it from being contaminated with further 462 00:33:35,581 --> 00:33:37,214 by removing it from the crime scene. 463 00:33:38,350 --> 00:33:40,017 Unfortunately, there were some failures 464 00:33:40,152 --> 00:33:42,486 on the investigation of her body. 465 00:33:42,554 --> 00:33:45,188 We don't know the time Shirley died. 466 00:33:45,224 --> 00:33:47,224 We just wish her body temperature was taken. 467 00:33:47,326 --> 00:33:49,559 It's not indicated on any report. 468 00:33:50,796 --> 00:33:54,464 Both Jason and bill have said that Shirley was cold and stiff. 469 00:33:54,500 --> 00:33:57,534 Bill, in particular, used the words "rigor mortis" repeatedly. 470 00:33:57,603 --> 00:33:59,169 'Cause that's a big issue here, 471 00:33:59,238 --> 00:34:01,872 because if she died, as the state has said, 472 00:34:02,207 --> 00:34:05,409 between 10:50 A.M. and 11:08, 473 00:34:05,444 --> 00:34:08,478 then there's no medical possibility that she was in rigor mortis. 474 00:34:08,747 --> 00:34:10,147 But if she was in rigor mortis, 475 00:34:10,182 --> 00:34:12,349 there's no medical possibility that Jason did this. 476 00:34:14,086 --> 00:34:16,186 What law enforcement is supposed to do 477 00:34:16,889 --> 00:34:18,121 is look at the evidence first, 478 00:34:18,190 --> 00:34:20,057 then come up with a theory about who did it. 479 00:34:21,093 --> 00:34:22,759 What happened here, pretty apparently, 480 00:34:22,795 --> 00:34:24,728 is that they picked a theory first, 481 00:34:24,763 --> 00:34:26,930 and then law enforcement wasn't really interested 482 00:34:26,965 --> 00:34:29,066 in pursuing any leads that didn't fit the theory 483 00:34:29,101 --> 00:34:30,801 that Jason was guilty. 484 00:34:58,030 --> 00:35:00,730 Branstad:I talked with ed bull, the prosecutor. 485 00:35:01,133 --> 00:35:03,100 Ed has pretty much said 486 00:35:03,135 --> 00:35:05,268 if you wanted to plead to voluntary manslaughter, 487 00:35:05,404 --> 00:35:06,770 which is a 10-year sentence, 488 00:35:06,839 --> 00:35:09,306 I'm gonna say between three and five years served, 489 00:35:09,341 --> 00:35:11,842 but it's closer to three in everything I've seen, 490 00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:14,177 that he would consider an alford plea... 491 00:35:14,213 --> 00:35:15,278 What's that? 492 00:35:15,314 --> 00:35:16,947 Branstad: An alford plea is a plea where 493 00:35:16,982 --> 00:35:20,817 the defendant doesn't directly admit anything, but says, 494 00:35:20,886 --> 00:35:24,054 "even though I'm not admitting this, I want to take advantage of the plea." 495 00:35:24,857 --> 00:35:27,691 Most of the time when you do that, that's essentially 496 00:35:27,726 --> 00:35:29,559 a guilty plea without pleading guilty. 497 00:35:30,362 --> 00:35:32,262 This is an offer so good 498 00:35:32,297 --> 00:35:33,497 that we have to wonder 499 00:35:33,665 --> 00:35:36,133 how confident the prosecutor can feel about this case. 500 00:35:36,735 --> 00:35:39,536 You need to talk about and think about it. 501 00:35:40,806 --> 00:35:43,039 You're the one who has all the real risk here. 502 00:35:43,108 --> 00:35:44,274 I mean, 503 00:35:45,577 --> 00:35:47,444 I've told you, I mean, if we lose, 504 00:35:48,180 --> 00:35:49,746 Ali will cry for days, 505 00:35:49,781 --> 00:35:51,515 I will be beside myself, 506 00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,184 ward will feel terrible, Nate will beat himself up, 507 00:35:54,219 --> 00:35:55,986 but we wouldn't be serving the time. 508 00:35:56,488 --> 00:35:59,022 And you have to make the final decision. 509 00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:01,725 You just have to think about that. 510 00:36:02,895 --> 00:36:05,562 And you can decide any time, but the sooner the better. 511 00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:13,904 Branstad:This is an offer that you don't often see. 512 00:36:14,673 --> 00:36:17,073 This would be a difficult decision for anyone. 513 00:36:18,076 --> 00:36:20,277 Whether unfairly accused or not, 514 00:36:20,345 --> 00:36:22,879 and you're looking at life in prison, 515 00:36:22,981 --> 00:36:24,681 a deal that has you 516 00:36:24,716 --> 00:36:27,617 in prison for a much shorter time, 517 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,320 and able to get out of prison in time 518 00:36:30,355 --> 00:36:32,722 to see your child graduate from high school 519 00:36:32,758 --> 00:36:34,758 and meet your grandchildren 520 00:36:35,060 --> 00:36:36,159 is tempting. 521 00:36:53,345 --> 00:36:56,913 The prosecutor, ed bull, offered a plea. 522 00:36:58,584 --> 00:37:01,585 And... I was up all night. 523 00:37:03,055 --> 00:37:05,622 I laid there and I watched my wife sleep. 524 00:37:10,963 --> 00:37:14,097 I almost went and got a coin 525 00:37:15,067 --> 00:37:16,399 and flipped it. 526 00:37:17,836 --> 00:37:18,868 But... 527 00:37:19,805 --> 00:37:21,571 I'm not a gambling man. 528 00:37:24,676 --> 00:37:26,843 It's hard to, 529 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,180 give up a guarantee 530 00:37:30,716 --> 00:37:32,549 to see your wife and kids in a few years. 531 00:37:37,256 --> 00:37:39,055 But I'm not... 532 00:37:40,359 --> 00:37:41,691 I'm not doing it. 533 00:37:41,727 --> 00:37:43,059 I'm not... 534 00:37:43,795 --> 00:37:45,629 Not accepting Ed's plea 535 00:37:46,598 --> 00:37:48,565 for something I didn't do. 536 00:37:49,368 --> 00:37:50,533 Um... 537 00:37:50,836 --> 00:37:53,370 My family and my mom would be really disappointed. 538 00:37:53,639 --> 00:37:55,805 And quite frankly, 539 00:37:56,375 --> 00:37:59,442 I wanna see Christine hand them their ass in court 540 00:38:00,012 --> 00:38:02,279 and bring this all to light 541 00:38:02,814 --> 00:38:04,614 on how everything's been done. 542 00:38:06,485 --> 00:38:07,917 Win or lose, 543 00:38:08,353 --> 00:38:11,488 I want her lay it all out there like it really is. 544 00:38:34,913 --> 00:38:36,946 Branstad:We've received police reports 545 00:38:37,049 --> 00:38:38,882 provided by the state. 546 00:38:39,151 --> 00:38:41,017 Mostly, they are audio recordings 547 00:38:41,153 --> 00:38:42,852 from individuals who 548 00:38:42,888 --> 00:38:44,087 went to law enforcement 549 00:38:44,256 --> 00:38:47,023 and said, "hey, we've got information that may help you 550 00:38:47,659 --> 00:38:49,359 "solve this murder case." 551 00:38:52,564 --> 00:38:54,397 This is certainly information 552 00:38:54,833 --> 00:38:57,534 that calls into question the investigation, 553 00:38:57,602 --> 00:38:59,602 calls into question the analysis 554 00:38:59,638 --> 00:39:03,807 of what really happened on June 19th, 2015. 555 00:39:04,009 --> 00:39:05,308 Okay... 556 00:39:06,311 --> 00:39:08,511 Kanne: So, I thought maybe we could listen 557 00:39:08,547 --> 00:39:09,913 to charity roush's audio. 558 00:39:09,948 --> 00:39:12,215 I've read a report. Have not listened to the audio. 559 00:39:12,517 --> 00:39:14,351 Okay. 560 00:39:38,844 --> 00:39:40,577 Whoa, whoa, whoa. Branstad: Whoa! 561 00:39:40,612 --> 00:39:41,811 Olson: Wait, what? 562 00:39:45,317 --> 00:39:47,250 Branstad: She's saying that Joe said 563 00:39:47,285 --> 00:39:48,952 he did it. Kanne: He did it. 564 00:39:49,087 --> 00:39:50,153 Okay. 565 00:40:05,537 --> 00:40:07,404 It's very clear that she heard something 566 00:40:07,439 --> 00:40:09,506 that she believes was about the murder, 567 00:40:09,541 --> 00:40:11,841 and she heard it back when it was going on. 568 00:40:51,616 --> 00:40:52,715 Finished it? 569 00:40:52,818 --> 00:40:54,184 Holy moly. 570 00:40:58,190 --> 00:41:00,657 Branstad: Your honor, we have statements by law enforcement 571 00:41:00,692 --> 00:41:02,592 showing an unwillingness 572 00:41:03,228 --> 00:41:04,427 to pursue leads. 573 00:41:04,696 --> 00:41:06,262 This is hearsay. 574 00:41:06,565 --> 00:41:08,698 How is this going to be admissible? 575 00:41:10,335 --> 00:41:12,268 Kanne:The state wants to exclude the evidence 576 00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:13,770 of these other suspects. 577 00:41:13,872 --> 00:41:15,004 Even though it's hearsay, 578 00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:16,706 we're not offering it for the truth of the matter. 579 00:41:16,775 --> 00:41:18,007 We're offering it to show 580 00:41:18,076 --> 00:41:20,810 that law enforcement did a really bad investigation. 581 00:41:21,213 --> 00:41:24,447 Absolutely UN-freaking-believable. 582 00:41:24,483 --> 00:41:25,515 I could make or break the case. 583 00:41:26,384 --> 00:41:27,984 Really makes a guy wonder, 584 00:41:28,019 --> 00:41:29,385 what the hell are they trying to pull? 585 00:41:30,655 --> 00:41:31,754 We're scared. 586 00:41:31,790 --> 00:41:32,922 Branstad:I get that. 587 00:41:32,958 --> 00:41:35,925 We have two kids that he has to go home to. 588 00:41:36,895 --> 00:41:38,895 Branstad: There's no DNA evidence, no fingerprint evidence, 589 00:41:39,030 --> 00:41:40,230 no ballistic evidence. 590 00:41:40,332 --> 00:41:42,198 In order for the state's theory to be true, 591 00:41:42,300 --> 00:41:45,101 every single person who did make an analysis 592 00:41:45,203 --> 00:41:47,570 as to time of death is wrong. 593 00:41:48,340 --> 00:41:50,740 Only two people know what happened that day. 594 00:41:50,775 --> 00:41:52,442 One of them is dead, 595 00:41:52,477 --> 00:41:53,877 and the other one is sitting in that chair. 596 00:41:53,912 --> 00:41:55,745 Find him guilty as charged. 45224

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