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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:16,083 --> 00:00:20,719 I'm being accused of murdering my mom by my dad, 2 00:00:20,988 --> 00:00:24,223 my sister, and my brother. 3 00:00:25,292 --> 00:00:26,792 Murder in the first degree 4 00:00:26,827 --> 00:00:28,761 in Iowa carries a sentence of life 5 00:00:28,829 --> 00:00:30,496 without the possibility of parole. 6 00:00:36,971 --> 00:00:40,005 Right away, Jason Carter became my primary suspect. 7 00:00:53,754 --> 00:00:56,155 Every time he would cry, 8 00:00:56,424 --> 00:01:01,026 I chuckle at his lack of drama skills. 9 00:01:01,662 --> 00:01:05,631 Ludwick absolutely used the affair against me. 10 00:01:06,367 --> 00:01:07,966 Jason wasn't honest with me. 11 00:01:08,002 --> 00:01:11,603 But having an affair doesn't equal murder. 12 00:01:12,773 --> 00:01:16,108 If you can show that somebody has lied in the past, 13 00:01:16,210 --> 00:01:17,810 it brings the question to the jury's mind, 14 00:01:17,845 --> 00:01:18,977 "well, are they lying now?" 15 00:01:19,780 --> 00:01:21,847 We've received audio recordings 16 00:01:21,882 --> 00:01:24,249 that may help US solve this murder case. 17 00:01:34,829 --> 00:01:36,095 Holy moly. 18 00:01:37,565 --> 00:01:41,567 You're putting your life in the hands of 12 jurors. 19 00:01:42,136 --> 00:01:43,102 Win or lose, 20 00:01:43,838 --> 00:01:46,405 I want to lay it all out there like it really is. 21 00:02:30,818 --> 00:02:31,884 Hi, guys. 22 00:02:32,119 --> 00:02:33,685 Hey, guys. How are you? 23 00:02:34,421 --> 00:02:35,754 This is our friend, agent ludwick. 24 00:02:59,547 --> 00:03:01,079 So how can we use that? 25 00:03:01,582 --> 00:03:03,448 Well, that's what we were debating right now. 26 00:03:03,484 --> 00:03:04,716 How we could use it is the question. How we could use it. 27 00:03:04,818 --> 00:03:05,884 Keep going. 28 00:03:15,196 --> 00:03:17,029 I can unequivocally say 29 00:03:17,064 --> 00:03:19,064 the wrong person has been charged in this murder. 30 00:03:19,133 --> 00:03:20,199 31 00:03:20,334 --> 00:03:21,967 And we don't have a report from him. 32 00:03:25,873 --> 00:03:28,307 I think the response of my entire team 33 00:03:28,342 --> 00:03:30,375 shows that we were all truly surprised, 34 00:03:30,644 --> 00:03:33,679 not just by the content of the recording, 35 00:03:33,714 --> 00:03:35,981 but by the lack of follow-up. 36 00:03:37,017 --> 00:03:39,451 For US, this is certainly information 37 00:03:39,753 --> 00:03:42,321 that calls into question the investigation, 38 00:03:42,356 --> 00:03:45,123 calls into question the statements about Jason, 39 00:03:45,159 --> 00:03:47,092 calls into question 40 00:03:47,127 --> 00:03:52,231 the analysis of what really happened on June 19th, 2015. 41 00:03:58,072 --> 00:04:00,872 We have a pre-trial hearing tomorrow. 42 00:04:01,475 --> 00:04:02,874 I really hope that 43 00:04:02,943 --> 00:04:05,377 information that we've obtained today 44 00:04:05,412 --> 00:04:08,947 can be admissible in the trial. 45 00:04:09,984 --> 00:04:12,651 The judge and the jury really need to know 46 00:04:12,686 --> 00:04:14,286 everything that we know, 47 00:04:14,655 --> 00:04:15,988 and for them 48 00:04:16,490 --> 00:04:17,990 to be denied that 49 00:04:19,093 --> 00:04:20,826 will never bring justice. 50 00:04:28,769 --> 00:04:31,470 Cases are often made before you go to trial. 51 00:04:32,006 --> 00:04:34,039 You learn what evidence is going to come in and what isn't, 52 00:04:34,108 --> 00:04:36,408 and that really shapes how the trial is going to go. 53 00:04:39,046 --> 00:04:40,646 The state wants to exclude 54 00:04:40,681 --> 00:04:42,481 almost all or all of the evidence 55 00:04:42,516 --> 00:04:45,017 of these other suspects and anything pointing to that. 56 00:04:45,719 --> 00:04:47,019 We obviously think that's something 57 00:04:47,054 --> 00:04:48,520 the jury should be allowed to consider. 58 00:04:49,957 --> 00:04:52,891 We're presented with an issue here in terms of admissibility, 59 00:04:52,926 --> 00:04:56,662 because typically these kinds of statements are hearsay, 60 00:04:56,697 --> 00:04:58,463 and they're not admissible in court 61 00:04:58,499 --> 00:05:00,132 for the truth of the matter asserted. 62 00:05:01,602 --> 00:05:03,502 However, that's not why we're offering it. 63 00:05:03,537 --> 00:05:04,970 We're offering it to show 64 00:05:05,005 --> 00:05:07,873 that law enforcement did absolutely nothing with those reports, 65 00:05:08,809 --> 00:05:11,843 that law enforcement did a really bad investigation. 66 00:05:22,156 --> 00:05:25,123 If the judge rules against US, it would be a big blow to US. 67 00:05:25,959 --> 00:05:28,927 So the outcome of this hearing could make or break the case. 68 00:05:32,933 --> 00:05:33,899 Thank you. 69 00:05:37,838 --> 00:05:39,705 Good morning, everyone. 70 00:05:40,107 --> 00:05:41,740 We will just start at the top. 71 00:05:42,276 --> 00:05:43,408 Ms. Branstad. 72 00:05:44,511 --> 00:05:46,178 Your honor, in this case, 73 00:05:46,213 --> 00:05:49,014 we have statements by law enforcement showing bias, 74 00:05:49,783 --> 00:05:51,783 and we have statements 75 00:05:52,553 --> 00:05:55,620 showing an unwillingness 76 00:05:56,357 --> 00:05:57,489 to pursue leads. 77 00:05:57,891 --> 00:06:01,226 There is one recording in which the witness says, 78 00:06:01,328 --> 00:06:02,661 "I've heard a..." 79 00:06:02,696 --> 00:06:04,663 I think it's, "a lot from a lot of people." 80 00:06:04,765 --> 00:06:06,498 And the officer's response is, 81 00:06:07,434 --> 00:06:09,735 "well, that's just all speculation and hearsay," 82 00:06:10,037 --> 00:06:13,004 and ends the interview without asking anything else. 83 00:06:14,241 --> 00:06:16,641 We wouldn't be offering it to prove that that witness 84 00:06:16,677 --> 00:06:19,411 knew a lot of things from a lot of other people, 85 00:06:19,446 --> 00:06:21,546 it's to show the bias 86 00:06:21,615 --> 00:06:23,915 that this officer didn't even ask the question of, 87 00:06:24,251 --> 00:06:25,984 "who told you what?" 88 00:06:26,520 --> 00:06:27,552 This is hearsay. 89 00:06:29,256 --> 00:06:31,890 How is this going to be admissible? 90 00:06:32,559 --> 00:06:33,592 Your honor, 91 00:06:34,995 --> 00:06:38,230 truly most investigations like this start with hearsay testimony. 92 00:06:38,265 --> 00:06:39,398 One person heard something, 93 00:06:39,433 --> 00:06:41,466 and then the investigator has to follow through 94 00:06:41,535 --> 00:06:43,001 and go to the next person, 95 00:06:43,036 --> 00:06:44,736 and go to the next person. 96 00:06:45,739 --> 00:06:48,774 Your honor, I can say that I have no intention 97 00:06:48,909 --> 00:06:51,777 to stand up in closing argument and say, 98 00:06:52,513 --> 00:06:55,080 "Joe sedlock is absolutely responsible," 99 00:06:55,115 --> 00:06:59,651 or, "John followill is absolutely responsible." 100 00:06:59,686 --> 00:07:01,286 What I do intend to say, 101 00:07:01,321 --> 00:07:04,055 if this evidence is admitted is, 102 00:07:04,091 --> 00:07:05,624 "we don't know, 103 00:07:05,993 --> 00:07:09,227 "because these leads were not followed through." 104 00:07:10,998 --> 00:07:13,398 It sounds like we're all accepting the fact it's hearsay. 105 00:07:13,434 --> 00:07:16,802 There is no permissible way to get this evidence in 106 00:07:17,504 --> 00:07:19,004 for the truth of the matter asserted. 107 00:07:19,239 --> 00:07:22,007 They're talking sloppy police work. 108 00:07:22,042 --> 00:07:25,744 Okay. So the defense can say over and over 109 00:07:26,346 --> 00:07:28,413 that this was a surface investigation. 110 00:07:29,249 --> 00:07:30,916 They maybe even believe it. 111 00:07:31,385 --> 00:07:32,684 But it doesn't make it true. 112 00:07:32,853 --> 00:07:34,820 The jury is entitled 113 00:07:35,556 --> 00:07:37,556 to be able to make a decision 114 00:07:37,591 --> 00:07:40,892 based on what weight to afford a particular piece of testimony. 115 00:07:42,463 --> 00:07:43,528 But, judge, 116 00:07:43,597 --> 00:07:44,896 that piece of testimony or evidence 117 00:07:44,932 --> 00:07:47,132 still has to be admissible under our rules of evidence, 118 00:07:47,201 --> 00:07:50,335 and the defense has yet to give you a cognitive reason 119 00:07:50,437 --> 00:07:52,170 under the Iowa rules of evidence. 120 00:07:52,873 --> 00:07:54,940 Anything else on behalf of the defendant? 121 00:07:55,242 --> 00:07:56,274 No, your honor. 122 00:07:56,310 --> 00:07:57,709 Very well. 123 00:07:58,145 --> 00:07:59,611 I will consider the arguments, 124 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:01,046 and I'll get a ruling on file. 125 00:08:01,081 --> 00:08:02,914 See you all a week from tomorrow. 126 00:08:03,016 --> 00:08:04,015 Thank you, your honor. 127 00:08:04,051 --> 00:08:05,217 Thank you, your honor. 128 00:08:06,954 --> 00:08:09,354 It is really important for the jury to understand 129 00:08:09,423 --> 00:08:11,923 the lens through which law enforcement was viewing this case, 130 00:08:12,025 --> 00:08:14,860 which was solely focused on Jason Carter 131 00:08:14,962 --> 00:08:16,795 to the exclusion of everything else. 132 00:08:19,366 --> 00:08:21,132 If the jury is presented with that information, 133 00:08:21,168 --> 00:08:23,301 it will have to raise a question in their mind 134 00:08:23,337 --> 00:08:26,137 of, "can we really find this guy guilty 135 00:08:26,907 --> 00:08:28,573 "if law enforcement didn't do its job?" 136 00:08:38,185 --> 00:08:39,351 Two-zero. 137 00:08:39,586 --> 00:08:40,919 Hey, it's the operator. 138 00:08:42,422 --> 00:08:43,955 Dang it! Nine-zero. 139 00:08:43,991 --> 00:08:45,123 Wait. Whoa, it's my bat. 140 00:08:45,826 --> 00:08:47,592 McKenna's class made a book, 141 00:08:48,262 --> 00:08:49,227 and I just... 142 00:08:49,263 --> 00:08:51,229 I just wanna share with you McKenna's page. 143 00:08:51,765 --> 00:08:52,764 Um... 144 00:08:52,799 --> 00:08:55,667 She said, "I want to be a lawyer when I grow up. 145 00:08:55,769 --> 00:08:56,935 "I want to make a difference 146 00:08:56,970 --> 00:09:00,038 "by helping people prove themselves innocent. 147 00:09:00,374 --> 00:09:01,706 "By McKenna." 148 00:09:02,643 --> 00:09:04,976 It just makes me so proud of my daughter. 149 00:09:07,247 --> 00:09:08,880 It makes me realize that 150 00:09:09,182 --> 00:09:10,815 this has been harder on them 151 00:09:11,985 --> 00:09:13,752 than I even know sometimes. 152 00:09:17,357 --> 00:09:19,291 Both the kids mean the world to me. 153 00:09:19,826 --> 00:09:20,992 You know. 154 00:09:21,094 --> 00:09:22,494 I don't know what I'd do without 'em. 155 00:09:24,665 --> 00:09:26,565 Murder brings a life sentence 156 00:09:27,501 --> 00:09:28,833 without parole. 157 00:09:29,503 --> 00:09:31,903 A life sentence is as long as you live 158 00:09:31,939 --> 00:09:33,271 until you die. 159 00:09:33,307 --> 00:09:34,806 You will die in prison. 160 00:09:35,642 --> 00:09:36,708 It's a pretty scary deal. 161 00:09:36,810 --> 00:09:38,009 Okay. 162 00:09:39,746 --> 00:09:41,413 I'm fighting for my life... 163 00:09:42,482 --> 00:09:44,149 For my family and my mom. 164 00:09:56,663 --> 00:09:59,331 My attorneys said that information 165 00:09:59,433 --> 00:10:02,667 that's been provided to US could be considered hearsay. 166 00:10:03,370 --> 00:10:05,036 That's the only reason 167 00:10:05,172 --> 00:10:07,439 it may not be put in front of a jury. 168 00:10:16,717 --> 00:10:19,784 The judge has ruled in our favor, 169 00:10:20,287 --> 00:10:24,089 and so we get to bring in the hearsay statements 170 00:10:25,092 --> 00:10:27,258 to show what wasn't done in the investigation. 171 00:10:27,361 --> 00:10:28,460 Yeah. 172 00:10:28,495 --> 00:10:31,496 That's probably the biggest win for US. 173 00:10:32,432 --> 00:10:35,133 That ruling is essential to our case, 174 00:10:35,202 --> 00:10:38,870 because a great deal of this case revolves around 175 00:10:38,905 --> 00:10:41,573 leads that we believe weren't followed, 176 00:10:41,608 --> 00:10:44,309 information that wasn't pursued 177 00:10:44,678 --> 00:10:47,746 and our criticisms in this case of the investigation. 178 00:10:49,583 --> 00:10:53,084 We needed an impartial judge, and we got one. 179 00:10:53,820 --> 00:10:57,622 It's great. It's exactly what should have been done. 180 00:11:20,781 --> 00:11:23,114 Nate went down to the Marion county sheriff's office yesterday 181 00:11:23,183 --> 00:11:25,750 to look at the physical evidence before they bring it down for trial. 182 00:11:27,020 --> 00:11:29,954 They found a box that ludwick dropped off this month 183 00:11:30,057 --> 00:11:31,923 full of 90 discs 184 00:11:32,993 --> 00:11:35,460 that were labelled blank, but weren't blank, 185 00:11:35,495 --> 00:11:37,028 or labelled as something that they weren't. 186 00:11:37,064 --> 00:11:40,231 Absolutely UN-freaking-believable. 187 00:11:40,333 --> 00:11:41,299 Yeah. 188 00:11:42,636 --> 00:11:45,170 Special agent Mark ludwick dropped off this box of evidence 189 00:11:45,238 --> 00:11:46,871 to the Marion county sheriff's office 190 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:48,373 several weeks ago, 191 00:11:49,843 --> 00:11:51,776 and we're just now receiving it 192 00:11:51,812 --> 00:11:53,411 three days before trial starts. 193 00:11:54,614 --> 00:11:57,048 We don't know what is on these discs. 194 00:11:57,517 --> 00:11:59,451 The box says there's 93 discs in it. 195 00:11:59,486 --> 00:12:00,752 There's only 80. 196 00:12:01,088 --> 00:12:02,420 The discs are mislabeled. 197 00:12:02,456 --> 00:12:03,588 Some of them are blank. 198 00:12:03,724 --> 00:12:05,423 Some of them say they're blank, and they're not blank. 199 00:12:06,026 --> 00:12:08,993 It's just a total organizational disaster. 200 00:12:10,263 --> 00:12:13,531 I don't know if special agent Mark ludwick maliciously withheld evidence. 201 00:12:13,567 --> 00:12:16,468 I don't know if it was simply an oversight. 202 00:12:16,803 --> 00:12:18,269 But most certainly 203 00:12:18,605 --> 00:12:20,371 we should have been given all of this evidence 204 00:12:20,407 --> 00:12:21,706 months and months ago. 205 00:12:23,510 --> 00:12:28,313 We're not aware of anything that harms US in the case, 206 00:12:28,348 --> 00:12:30,014 but we don't know if there is substantially helpful 207 00:12:30,050 --> 00:12:31,449 information in there. 208 00:12:32,486 --> 00:12:33,852 And so that is just... 209 00:12:38,024 --> 00:12:40,625 It's disheartening, 210 00:12:40,660 --> 00:12:44,229 and it makes it hard to go to trial 211 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:46,564 feeling less than fully prepared. 212 00:12:48,635 --> 00:12:52,437 This is so hard because I promised Jason early on in this case 213 00:12:52,572 --> 00:12:54,973 the one thing that he could count on 214 00:12:55,008 --> 00:12:56,040 is if I went into trial, 215 00:12:56,076 --> 00:12:58,176 I would know every detail of every bit of evidence. 216 00:12:58,278 --> 00:12:59,244 That was my promise. 217 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,212 Yeah. I said, "that's what I will do." 218 00:13:01,515 --> 00:13:03,081 And if we go into trial now, 219 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:05,216 I'm not keeping that promise. 220 00:13:06,453 --> 00:13:10,955 I feel like we're at an advantage right now, 221 00:13:10,991 --> 00:13:15,026 but I also wonder if it's irresponsible to go into trial 222 00:13:15,095 --> 00:13:16,694 without having a thorough understanding 223 00:13:16,730 --> 00:13:18,129 of everything that's on these discs. 224 00:13:18,832 --> 00:13:20,231 There is a certain part of me that just feels 225 00:13:20,333 --> 00:13:22,033 so ready for this trial... 226 00:13:22,135 --> 00:13:26,271 ...despite not having aspects that I want 227 00:13:26,373 --> 00:13:28,239 in the structure behind US. Yeah. 228 00:13:28,809 --> 00:13:30,775 Man, I just wanna get in front of a jury, 229 00:13:30,811 --> 00:13:33,077 and I've got a lot of emotional... 230 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:35,513 I just want it right now. 231 00:13:36,349 --> 00:13:37,582 Here's my plan. 232 00:13:37,617 --> 00:13:39,884 Full steam ahead like we're going to trial on Tuesday. 233 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:41,152 Yeah. 234 00:13:42,522 --> 00:13:43,988 Man, I gotta really trust in her 235 00:13:44,024 --> 00:13:45,723 that she's making the right decision. 236 00:13:46,426 --> 00:13:49,327 I have no choice other than to keep fighting. 237 00:13:49,830 --> 00:13:52,697 You can't give up now. 238 00:13:53,967 --> 00:13:56,134 We've decided that we are going to go ahead with this trial. 239 00:13:56,269 --> 00:13:57,502 It's a risk. 240 00:13:57,537 --> 00:13:59,437 It's definitely a gamble to some degree. 241 00:13:59,472 --> 00:14:01,306 But that's what we're gonna do, we're gonna do trial. 242 00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:11,583 A note from Kenny... 243 00:14:15,355 --> 00:14:16,521 "You are the best! 244 00:14:17,424 --> 00:14:18,623 "You're awesome, dad." 245 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:23,595 I'm very worried about what might happen. 246 00:14:24,497 --> 00:14:26,564 The kids would be beyond devastated 247 00:14:26,633 --> 00:14:28,333 if their dad didn't come home. 248 00:14:29,769 --> 00:14:30,902 What? 249 00:14:31,204 --> 00:14:32,937 Are you gonna say goodbye to chase? 250 00:14:32,973 --> 00:14:34,038 Yeah. 251 00:14:34,140 --> 00:14:35,673 If things aren't made right, 252 00:14:37,878 --> 00:14:39,244 I don't know what I'll do. 253 00:14:43,950 --> 00:14:44,916 Okay. 254 00:14:44,951 --> 00:14:46,150 Give me a hug, chase. 255 00:14:46,887 --> 00:14:48,086 Bye, Katie. 256 00:14:59,132 --> 00:15:00,832 Make sure you take care of mom. 257 00:15:05,505 --> 00:15:07,038 And be nice to your sister. 258 00:15:09,109 --> 00:15:12,277 No family should go through what we've had to go through. 259 00:15:13,146 --> 00:15:14,545 We just want peace, 260 00:15:15,482 --> 00:15:16,614 peace for our children, 261 00:15:18,084 --> 00:15:19,450 peace for our family, 262 00:15:32,299 --> 00:15:33,331 Okay. 263 00:16:27,988 --> 00:16:30,121 I've got a tag I can't get off this new suit. 264 00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:32,323 I might have to use a knife. 265 00:16:35,829 --> 00:16:37,895 Opening statements are today and... 266 00:16:43,870 --> 00:16:46,637 Well, I've had some friends tell me that opening statements are 267 00:16:48,441 --> 00:16:50,274 the make it or break it type thing. 268 00:16:51,011 --> 00:16:52,176 Um... 269 00:16:53,980 --> 00:16:55,813 You know, I guess I don't know. We'll find out. 270 00:16:57,584 --> 00:16:58,716 Scared as hell. 271 00:16:58,752 --> 00:17:01,686 It's always just incredibly scary 272 00:17:02,155 --> 00:17:03,755 to go up in front of a jury, 273 00:17:03,790 --> 00:17:06,224 and there's a lot on the line in this case. 274 00:17:06,993 --> 00:17:09,160 First day today, so... 275 00:17:09,629 --> 00:17:10,895 Um... 276 00:17:11,965 --> 00:17:13,664 Gonna be a big day. 277 00:17:22,242 --> 00:17:24,308 Opening statements are always difficult, 278 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:27,578 because nothing comes in exactly as you plan. 279 00:17:27,614 --> 00:17:29,247 You may be seated. Thank you. 280 00:17:31,851 --> 00:17:33,684 The prosecutor is ed bull. 281 00:17:34,654 --> 00:17:36,320 Our styles are very different. 282 00:17:36,790 --> 00:17:38,689 He's incredibly theatrical. 283 00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:40,925 Sometimes that goes over well with juries, 284 00:17:41,494 --> 00:17:42,827 sometimes it doesn't. 285 00:17:44,264 --> 00:17:46,330 It happens in the kitchen 286 00:17:46,866 --> 00:17:47,932 of her home. 287 00:17:48,835 --> 00:17:49,967 Somebody 288 00:17:51,304 --> 00:17:55,039 fires a high-powered .270 caliber rifle 289 00:17:55,075 --> 00:17:56,407 at Shirley Carter. 290 00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:58,943 The bullet strikes her in the side. 291 00:17:58,978 --> 00:18:01,179 It carves a path through her chest, 292 00:18:01,915 --> 00:18:03,014 shattering ribs 293 00:18:03,049 --> 00:18:06,517 and punching holes in her lung and heart. 294 00:18:08,354 --> 00:18:10,621 With Shirley Carter lying flat on her back, 295 00:18:10,757 --> 00:18:12,757 the shooter racks another round 296 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,126 into the chamber of that rifle, 297 00:18:15,495 --> 00:18:16,894 aims dead center 298 00:18:17,263 --> 00:18:18,896 at Shirley Carter's chest, 299 00:18:19,899 --> 00:18:22,700 and pulls the trigger again. 300 00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:26,404 The evidence will establish that somebody 301 00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:30,141 acted maliciously 302 00:18:30,844 --> 00:18:32,977 and with the specific intent to kill. 303 00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,746 What we will prove to you 304 00:18:36,216 --> 00:18:38,916 is that there are clues that lead to only one conclusion. 305 00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:41,119 We will ask that you return a verdict 306 00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:43,154 finding Jason Carter guilty 307 00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:44,922 of murder in the first degree. 308 00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:48,159 Thank you. 309 00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:01,305 What I'm going to ask of you 310 00:19:01,374 --> 00:19:03,441 is, over the course of this trial, 311 00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:06,110 to look and see if you think this was 312 00:19:06,946 --> 00:19:09,080 a normal and perfect investigation, 313 00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:12,783 or if very significant parts of this investigation 314 00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:14,485 weren't followed through. 315 00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:17,455 The timeline doesn't make sense. 316 00:19:18,358 --> 00:19:19,724 There was no motive. 317 00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:22,293 One investigator in particular 318 00:19:22,428 --> 00:19:24,495 went after Jason Carter 319 00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:26,998 and ignored all the other clues. 320 00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:28,866 And at the end of this case, 321 00:19:29,269 --> 00:19:30,868 I will ask you 322 00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:32,637 to enter a verdict 323 00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:33,838 of not guilty. 324 00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:36,707 Thank you. 325 00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:40,444 Court clerk: Now, the state of Iowa calls Michael halverson. 326 00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:42,480 The first week of trial's 327 00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:43,814 always stressful for the defense, 328 00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:45,650 because the prosecution gets to go first. 329 00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:48,853 It can be really frustrating, because you do feel like 330 00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:50,421 you're just getting hit after hit, 331 00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:51,956 and there's really very little 332 00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:54,458 that you can do about it until the state is done. 333 00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:57,428 I'm employed as a criminalist 334 00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,765 for the Iowa division of criminal investigation. 335 00:20:01,467 --> 00:20:03,834 The prosecution is going to use him as a foundational witness, 336 00:20:03,937 --> 00:20:05,036 someone to say, 337 00:20:05,071 --> 00:20:06,470 "yes, this is a photograph of the kitchen, 338 00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:07,972 "facing this direction. 339 00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:09,307 "This is why we took this photograph. 340 00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:10,675 "This is why we think it is significant." 341 00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:13,110 Mathias Robinson: When you entered the bedroom, 342 00:20:13,646 --> 00:20:16,314 was there anything specific that you observed? 343 00:20:16,583 --> 00:20:18,950 Halverson: Yes. The chest of drawers 344 00:20:18,985 --> 00:20:20,618 had two drawers pulled out. 345 00:20:21,087 --> 00:20:22,553 We fingerprint dusted 346 00:20:23,223 --> 00:20:25,156 the top of this chest of drawers. 347 00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:27,458 Did the crime scene team 348 00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,527 process the living room of the residence? 349 00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:31,429 Halverson: Yes, we did process it. 350 00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:34,265 But it did appear uninvolved, 351 00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:35,600 undisturbed, 352 00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:39,003 so it was not examined with the same vigor 353 00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:40,705 that the kitchen was, for example. 354 00:20:42,141 --> 00:20:43,441 To your knowledge, 355 00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:46,911 there is no forensic evidence 356 00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:49,213 that implicates Jason Carter? 357 00:20:49,983 --> 00:20:51,949 That statement is correct. 358 00:20:52,952 --> 00:20:53,985 I would... 359 00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:55,753 I would like to say that 360 00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:57,154 what I said was... 361 00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:59,490 I would say I had no forensic evidence 362 00:20:59,792 --> 00:21:00,992 that I was aware of, 363 00:21:01,094 --> 00:21:03,160 no DNA, no fingerprints, 364 00:21:03,196 --> 00:21:05,062 no ballistic evidence 365 00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:07,632 that said Jason Carter was responsible 366 00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:09,634 or not responsible for this death. 367 00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:12,770 I have no further questions. 368 00:21:16,276 --> 00:21:17,575 That's the only question that matters 369 00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:18,909 when it comes to forensic. 370 00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:21,279 Does any of this link Jason Carter to the crime? 371 00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:23,147 No? Okay, we're done. 372 00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:27,118 Court clerk: The state will call Laurie goff. 373 00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:33,024 Laurie goff was the first person with a medical background 374 00:21:33,059 --> 00:21:34,558 to look at Shirley's body that morning. 375 00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:37,662 She originally said Shirley had died several hours 376 00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:40,298 before Jason arrived at the crime scene. 377 00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:42,033 Do you swear to tell the truth, 378 00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:43,834 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 379 00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:44,902 Goff: Yes. 380 00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:46,003 Please be seated. 381 00:21:47,173 --> 00:21:48,306 The state is alleging 382 00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:51,075 that Jason had the time to do this in ten minutes. 383 00:21:51,577 --> 00:21:53,144 So the timeline is extremely important, 384 00:21:53,179 --> 00:21:54,278 because if we can show 385 00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,713 that she was killed hours before, 386 00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,782 there is simply no way that Jason did it. 387 00:21:58,685 --> 00:21:59,817 Now, while you were in the residence, 388 00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:01,185 did you observe any blood? 389 00:22:01,220 --> 00:22:02,286 Goff: Yes. 390 00:22:02,522 --> 00:22:04,121 Was that blood dry? 391 00:22:04,424 --> 00:22:05,523 No. 392 00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:08,359 This was the report that you wrote immediately after 393 00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,294 being on the scene. Is that correct? 394 00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:11,395 Correct. 395 00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,963 When you wrote it, 396 00:22:12,999 --> 00:22:14,965 you wrote that it was dried blood. 397 00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,168 Yes, inadvertently that it was dried. 398 00:22:17,203 --> 00:22:18,536 It was not dried, it was wet. 399 00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,972 At that time it was your finding 400 00:22:22,575 --> 00:22:24,975 that it didn't happen minutes ago, 401 00:22:25,244 --> 00:22:27,345 it had probably been two or three hours. 402 00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:29,513 Correct. 403 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:32,116 You found the coagulation of the blood 404 00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:33,484 means that it had time 405 00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052 to start the clotting process, 406 00:22:36,155 --> 00:22:38,456 so you knew that she hadn't been there for 12 hours, 407 00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,958 but you knew that she had been there longer than an hour? 408 00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:43,194 Possibly, yes. 409 00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:45,429 That's the time frame I gave, yes. 410 00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,666 I do think that we were able to show 411 00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:50,334 Laurie goff's inconsistencies 412 00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:51,736 very clearly. 413 00:22:51,971 --> 00:22:53,471 Anything beyond ten minutes 414 00:22:53,506 --> 00:22:56,640 excludes Jason as being a suspect, 415 00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:58,576 because he couldn't have been there for that to happen. 416 00:23:02,648 --> 00:23:05,149 Jason's family will be on the stand tomorrow. 417 00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:07,618 The family interactions 418 00:23:07,687 --> 00:23:09,720 are one of the toughest parts of this case. 419 00:23:11,457 --> 00:23:15,893 To have my family take the stand and say that I killed my mom, 420 00:23:17,663 --> 00:23:18,996 pretty low. 421 00:23:20,099 --> 00:23:21,465 I feel nervous... 422 00:23:22,368 --> 00:23:23,801 Scared. 423 00:23:25,972 --> 00:23:27,338 Most of the time in a criminal case 424 00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:29,940 your family sits behind you and supports you and, in this case, 425 00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:33,144 he's got his family on the other side of the courtroom. 426 00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:45,289 It's gonna be very hard for Jason 427 00:23:45,358 --> 00:23:48,993 to have to sit there as his family members testify against him. 428 00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,195 They won't be able to directly state to the jury 429 00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:52,396 that they think Jason 430 00:23:52,432 --> 00:23:54,098 is responsible for Shirley's death. 431 00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:55,633 I think it'll just be clear by the fact 432 00:23:55,668 --> 00:23:58,469 that they're testifying that they believe that Jason is guilty. 433 00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:00,604 Good morning. You can come right up here. Good morning. 434 00:24:00,706 --> 00:24:02,006 I'm sure everybody's gonna think, 435 00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:06,076 ", that is one messed up family." 436 00:24:06,112 --> 00:24:07,778 Do you swear to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth? 437 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,413 Yes, I do. Please be seated. 438 00:24:11,451 --> 00:24:13,350 I wanna talk about June 19th. 439 00:24:13,386 --> 00:24:16,620 Did you receive a phone call from your brother 440 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:19,356 a little after 11:00 A.M.? 441 00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:20,925 Yes, I did. 442 00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,160 He said, 443 00:24:23,229 --> 00:24:26,063 "mom is laying on the kitchen floor 444 00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,065 "and she's dead." 445 00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,133 And... 446 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:31,969 I said immediately... 447 00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,037 "No!" 448 00:24:33,072 --> 00:24:37,041 I... and I said, "Jason, did you call 911?" 449 00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:40,377 And he said, "no, it's too late. 450 00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:42,313 "She's cold. She's stiff. She's dead." 451 00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:45,783 And I said, "you don't know that." 452 00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:48,185 I said, "Jason, you gotta call 911." 453 00:24:48,221 --> 00:24:51,088 And that's... You know, it was... 454 00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:54,158 He still wouldn't call 911. 455 00:24:55,862 --> 00:24:59,630 So I hung up, and I called my dad. 456 00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,432 Why did you call your dad? 457 00:25:03,436 --> 00:25:06,770 Because he wasn't calling 911 anyway, and so I thought, 458 00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:07,872 well, dad... 459 00:25:09,642 --> 00:25:11,775 Dad would know. Dad could do it. 460 00:25:12,912 --> 00:25:14,612 Sir, if I could get you to come right up here, please. 461 00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,547 Dad is taking the stand. 462 00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:18,716 I can only imagine what he's gonna say. 463 00:25:18,751 --> 00:25:19,817 Raise your right hand for me, please. 464 00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:21,185 Do you swear to tell the truth, 465 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:23,454 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? 466 00:25:23,489 --> 00:25:25,689 Bill Carter: I got a phone call from my daughter. 467 00:25:25,791 --> 00:25:27,291 She said, 468 00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:29,927 "dad, 469 00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:34,331 "mom's dead." 470 00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:39,003 And then I took off for home 471 00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,774 as fast as I could get there. 472 00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:46,377 Jason was talking on the phone. 473 00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:48,178 I didn't even stop, 474 00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:50,648 I just went running in the house. 475 00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:53,183 What did you see? 476 00:25:53,619 --> 00:25:55,886 I found Shirley on the floor, 477 00:25:57,456 --> 00:25:59,189 and she was dead. 478 00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,792 And then I picked her head up 479 00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:03,928 and I kissed her on the forehead, 480 00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:06,196 and she was cold. 481 00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:11,035 What did you do? 482 00:26:12,171 --> 00:26:14,972 I said, "Jason, look how she's laying. 483 00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:17,975 "You don't die that way." 484 00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:22,813 How would you explain your emotional state? 485 00:26:23,282 --> 00:26:24,748 I was a mess. 486 00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,618 It was terrible. 487 00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:31,855 They say your life can change in an instant, 488 00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,292 and it did. 489 00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:37,895 It changed. 490 00:26:38,564 --> 00:26:40,431 And it'll never be the same. 491 00:26:43,402 --> 00:26:45,502 Out of all of the days of trial so far, 492 00:26:45,538 --> 00:26:46,704 this has been the worst. 493 00:26:47,306 --> 00:26:48,772 None of these people offered anything 494 00:26:48,808 --> 00:26:52,376 that tended to show that Jason was responsible for this crime. 495 00:26:52,678 --> 00:26:54,745 But because they're family members 496 00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:56,614 who believe that Jason is responsible, 497 00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:58,582 and that comes off as they testify, 498 00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:01,518 is something that the jury could take into consideration. 499 00:27:09,829 --> 00:27:12,029 To have my family testify against me 500 00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:16,333 is terrible. 501 00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:20,371 They're not allowed to say that I murdered mom, 502 00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,807 but basically, by them taking the stand 503 00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,209 for the prosecution, 504 00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:26,810 shows the jury 505 00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:29,146 whose side they're on. 506 00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:34,685 Any kind of loving relationship that we would have had 507 00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:38,789 was completely shredded by agent ludwick. 508 00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:41,825 He did his utmost 509 00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:44,962 to tear the family completely apart. 510 00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:49,466 I am looking forward to seeing agent ludwick take the stand, 511 00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:54,505 because he is going to be their demise. 512 00:28:08,921 --> 00:28:11,722 The state didn't call their lead investigator. 513 00:28:12,158 --> 00:28:15,359 I don't recall any trial 514 00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:16,527 that I've been involved in 515 00:28:16,629 --> 00:28:19,196 where the lead investigator wasn't called, 516 00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:21,498 and certainly not in a murder trial. 517 00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:24,935 We now need to decide whether to call ludwick. 518 00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:28,772 This is a decision that could make this case 519 00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:31,108 or that could be an absolute disaster. 520 00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,579 We need to talk about the strategy 521 00:28:35,614 --> 00:28:37,047 for this trial again. 522 00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:39,583 I didn't anticipate the state wouldn't put on 523 00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:42,119 any detective or investigator. 524 00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:44,288 If we bring in ludwick, 525 00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,724 we've got all sorts of great information there. 526 00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:50,961 But if he comes in and says, "shucks, I tried, 527 00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:53,363 "but everything points to Jason." 528 00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:55,265 I've been told for so long 529 00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:56,834 that these people are gonna come in 530 00:28:56,936 --> 00:28:58,168 and make a big difference 531 00:28:58,270 --> 00:29:00,971 that's really gonna cast a shadow of a doubt. 532 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,306 And now you're telling me 533 00:29:02,341 --> 00:29:03,974 we're not gonna bring any of it in? 534 00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,544 Right now, there's no face on this investigation. 535 00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:10,214 No face other than me, 536 00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:12,216 and I catch those jurors looking at me 537 00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:14,017 non-stop all day long. 538 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,452 There's a lot of risk 539 00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:17,287 in putting them on. 540 00:29:18,057 --> 00:29:19,957 But is there a lot of risk in not sharing 541 00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:21,425 with them what we know? 542 00:29:22,128 --> 00:29:23,327 I mean... Yeah. 543 00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:26,130 I made some promises, not anticipating 544 00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:27,898 that the state wouldn't put on their investigator. 545 00:29:28,334 --> 00:29:29,700 If we go this road, 546 00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:31,668 I'll go after 'em, 547 00:29:31,737 --> 00:29:34,371 but it's your case, and the final decision has to be yours. 548 00:29:35,674 --> 00:29:37,341 Because if we lose, 549 00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:40,611 you will always decide that that was the wrong decision. 550 00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:45,015 We know you are going above and beyond. 551 00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:47,584 And we do trust you. 552 00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:50,087 It's just we're scared. 553 00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:51,655 I get that. 554 00:29:52,658 --> 00:29:55,125 We have two kids that he has to come home to. 555 00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:07,538 The entire case has led up to today. 556 00:30:14,046 --> 00:30:16,046 Ludwick's taking the stand today. 557 00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,515 We'll see if... 558 00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:21,585 If he's gonna fess up to all of his wrongdoings. 559 00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:24,788 Man, he's lied his ass off the whole way through, 560 00:30:25,457 --> 00:30:28,192 so I just keep waiting for horns to sprout out of his head, 561 00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:30,294 so that people can really see how he is. 562 00:30:35,601 --> 00:30:38,168 Jason is excited for this evidence 563 00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:40,070 to be in front of the jury. 564 00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,973 Like always, I'm just nervous. 565 00:30:46,912 --> 00:30:50,480 There are two possibilities with the state not putting on their lead investigator. 566 00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:54,184 Either they knew it was a weakness, 567 00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:56,086 or they're trying to bait US into doing it. 568 00:30:57,656 --> 00:30:59,456 My name is Mark ludwick, 569 00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:02,893 spelled l-u-d-w-i-c-k. 570 00:31:03,863 --> 00:31:05,863 All interviews and reports 571 00:31:05,998 --> 00:31:07,364 are supposed to come back to you 572 00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,466 for management of the investigation, aren't they? 573 00:31:09,568 --> 00:31:10,500 That's correct. 574 00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,871 I have hundreds and hundreds of documents 575 00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:15,606 and pages of interviews. 576 00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:18,308 Most of these interviews occurred 577 00:31:19,011 --> 00:31:20,911 after there were questions posed 578 00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:23,580 by Jason Carter's defense attorneys 579 00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:24,915 about what happened. 580 00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:27,017 That's correct, yes. 581 00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:29,720 Okay. 582 00:31:29,822 --> 00:31:31,955 Many, many people implicate 583 00:31:32,625 --> 00:31:33,824 Joel followill, 584 00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:35,292 John followill, 585 00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:37,094 or Joe sedlock. Correct? 586 00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:40,397 Their names come up by multiple individuals. 587 00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:43,033 There are multiple reports 588 00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:45,736 alleging that Joe sedlock, John followill, 589 00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:49,573 and Joel followill were involved in the homicide. 590 00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:53,644 Yes, I believe we were told that. 591 00:31:54,013 --> 00:31:54,945 Um... 592 00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:56,413 Charity rausch said 593 00:31:56,782 --> 00:31:59,082 they were supposed to be getting medication 594 00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:01,351 that was coming in the mail, but something went wrong. 595 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,920 Joel got startled, 596 00:32:02,988 --> 00:32:04,554 and the gun went off accidentally, 597 00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,523 but that Joe sedlock went back 598 00:32:06,558 --> 00:32:09,393 and fired a shot to kill the woman. 599 00:32:10,863 --> 00:32:12,162 Is that correct? 600 00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:13,664 Yes, I believe that's correct. 601 00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:15,299 To this date, 602 00:32:16,535 --> 00:32:17,801 are you aware 603 00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:21,371 of any alibi evidence 604 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,407 for either of those three individuals? 605 00:32:26,645 --> 00:32:28,845 Regarding the, the... On June 19th? 606 00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:31,515 For the morning of June 19th, 2015. 607 00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:35,285 No. I... I do not know where Joe sedlock was. 608 00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:37,654 I do not know where John followill was. 609 00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:39,790 And I do not know where Joel followill was. 610 00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:50,067 Agent ludwick. 611 00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:51,134 Yes, ma'am. 612 00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:53,603 Many, many people 613 00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:57,007 say that it was a burglary gone wrong. 614 00:32:57,643 --> 00:32:59,443 Yeah, burglary gone wrong 615 00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:00,911 was something that we knew 616 00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:03,046 by noon on the day of the homicide 617 00:33:03,082 --> 00:33:04,781 was going around the small community. 618 00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:08,051 John followill and Joel followill 619 00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:09,186 were known to be involved 620 00:33:09,254 --> 00:33:10,754 in a number of burglaries, weren't they? 621 00:33:11,924 --> 00:33:15,993 They had been, but they aren't violent individuals. 622 00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:19,162 That's not in their nature or character that I felt. 623 00:33:19,732 --> 00:33:21,198 You testified 624 00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:23,767 that neither of the followills 625 00:33:23,802 --> 00:33:25,469 had a history of violence. 626 00:33:25,971 --> 00:33:28,638 Were you aware that Joel followill 627 00:33:28,741 --> 00:33:31,975 has convictions for four assaults, 628 00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:33,577 two domestic assaults, 629 00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:35,445 and burglary second? 630 00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:37,114 Yes, ma'am, I'm aware of that. 631 00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:40,751 And that John followill 632 00:33:40,819 --> 00:33:42,753 has at least two convictions for assault? 633 00:33:44,256 --> 00:33:46,456 I remember he had assaults on his record, yes, 634 00:33:46,492 --> 00:33:48,225 but I... No further questions. 635 00:33:58,103 --> 00:33:59,636 We've decided to rest. 636 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,042 It is always a difficult decision to rest your case, 637 00:34:05,611 --> 00:34:07,811 but we feel very good about where we ended. 638 00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:10,447 The testimony from agent ludwick 639 00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:14,818 really provided a clear picture, and we hope the jury sees that. 640 00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:18,021 So, no more witnesses. 641 00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:19,556 No me. No Shelly. 642 00:34:20,626 --> 00:34:22,426 I kinda feel like I'm in limbo. 643 00:34:25,264 --> 00:34:28,298 Jason would like every single bit of the story to be known. 644 00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:30,634 And it's tough for him not to have 645 00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:33,236 every single detail in front of this jury. 646 00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:35,138 But he also understands 647 00:34:35,374 --> 00:34:37,074 that we've reached the point 648 00:34:37,176 --> 00:34:39,543 where it may be in our best interest 649 00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,578 to just end on our strongest notes. 650 00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:52,422 We start closing arguments today. 651 00:34:53,358 --> 00:34:56,693 Hopefully the jurors can see right through all the , but... 652 00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:05,769 We only spent two days with our side. 653 00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,071 That makes me really nervous, 654 00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:11,708 'cause we kinda cut a lot of our stuff short. 655 00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:15,512 We give our closings, 656 00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:17,047 and then it's all up to the jury. 657 00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:19,883 Ed bull, he's a skilled litigator, 658 00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:22,419 but there's no amount of skill that overcomes facts. 659 00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:34,798 This was a case built against Jason Carter 660 00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:36,600 instead of a case 661 00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:39,903 trying to solve a crime and look at all the clues. 662 00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:41,805 You gotta believe someone went downstairs, 663 00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,140 found a gun in that basement, 664 00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:44,541 came back upstairs, shot her, 665 00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:45,809 instead of walking out the door. 666 00:35:46,245 --> 00:35:49,146 The state's own criminalist said, 667 00:35:49,882 --> 00:35:52,282 "I'm not aware of any forensic evidence." 668 00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,484 There are only two people who know what happened that day, 669 00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,686 one of them's dead, 670 00:35:56,722 --> 00:35:58,121 and the other one's sitting in that chair. 671 00:35:58,223 --> 00:36:00,056 Find him guilty as charged. 672 00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:04,561 Jason Carter couldn't possibly be guilty. 673 00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:08,331 I ask you to return a verdict of not guilty. 674 00:36:10,936 --> 00:36:14,337 With that, take the 12 members of the panel 675 00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:15,672 into the jury room. 676 00:36:34,927 --> 00:36:35,892 Well... 677 00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:38,295 Jury's in deliberation, 678 00:36:38,397 --> 00:36:39,563 eating their dinner, 679 00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:41,665 and, 680 00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:44,334 they'll start to decide my fate. 681 00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:54,611 Kenny sent me a message this morning, and so did chase. 682 00:36:55,214 --> 00:36:57,214 And I'm just sending them a message back. 683 00:36:58,584 --> 00:37:00,584 "Daddy loves you both," 684 00:37:02,221 --> 00:37:03,853 "and your brother very much." 685 00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:08,158 I said, "you take good care of mama." 686 00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:13,630 "Just in case." 687 00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:22,872 Okay, we'll be right there. 688 00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:24,407 They've got a verdict. 689 00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:26,776 I need to call... 690 00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:28,044 You guys need to get here right now, 691 00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,079 they've called a verdict. 692 00:37:30,182 --> 00:37:32,082 Are they done? Yeah. 693 00:37:34,253 --> 00:37:35,185 What can that mean? 694 00:37:36,888 --> 00:37:38,888 Okay. Sam, we've got a verdict. 695 00:37:38,924 --> 00:37:40,090 We do whatever you say. 696 00:37:40,592 --> 00:37:41,558 Okay? 697 00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:45,862 How can that be? 698 00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,699 They didn't look at anything. 699 00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:51,901 Maybe because they already know, Jason. 700 00:37:52,004 --> 00:37:53,003 Come on. 701 00:37:53,038 --> 00:37:54,137 How can that be, Sam? 702 00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:44,120 Ladies and gentlemen, have you reached a verdict? 703 00:38:44,156 --> 00:38:45,455 Female juror: Yes, we have. 704 00:38:52,798 --> 00:38:55,432 "We, the jury, find Jason Carter 705 00:38:59,171 --> 00:39:00,503 "not guilty." 706 00:39:00,972 --> 00:39:02,706 Is that your verdict, 707 00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:03,873 ladies and gentlemen? 708 00:39:03,909 --> 00:39:05,108 Female juror: Yes, it is. 709 00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:08,845 Mr. Bull, do you care to have the jury polled? 710 00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:09,879 No, sir. 711 00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:10,947 Very well. 712 00:39:34,473 --> 00:39:36,573 I know. I know. 713 00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:39,476 Hi, Cecil. 714 00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,113 I am so glad. 715 00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,615 I can't believe it. 716 00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:46,883 Finally. 717 00:39:51,223 --> 00:39:52,989 I'm so happy. 718 00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:56,226 Let's go home. 719 00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:58,461 Yeah, we're going home. 720 00:40:13,278 --> 00:40:14,677 It's just a huge weight 721 00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:16,946 lifted off all of our backs. 722 00:40:18,417 --> 00:40:20,583 My mom can rest a little easier. 723 00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,889 It doesn't feel like I finally got justice, 724 00:40:27,392 --> 00:40:31,594 because whoever did this to my mom is still walking around. 725 00:40:34,366 --> 00:40:37,066 I'll never give up on trying to figure out 726 00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:39,202 who did this to her. 727 00:40:40,739 --> 00:40:42,071 My mom deserves that. 728 00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:47,076 My kids deserve that. 729 00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:48,511 My wife deserves that. 730 00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:54,417 And as much as I dislike my dad and my siblings, 731 00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:55,652 they deserve it too. 732 00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:04,561 I guess it's up to me to try and figure out 733 00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:12,435 What happened to mom. 53368

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