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I'm being accused
of murdering my mom by my dad,
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my sister, and my brother.
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Murder in the first degree
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in Iowa carries
a sentence of life
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without the possibility
of parole.
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Right away, Jason Carter
became my primary suspect.
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Every time he would cry,
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I chuckle at his lack
of drama skills.
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Ludwick absolutely used
the affair against me.
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Jason wasn't honest with me.
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But having an affair
doesn't equal murder.
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If you can show that
somebody has lied
in the past,
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it brings the question
to the jury's mind,
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"well, are they lying now?"
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We've received
audio recordings
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that may help US
solve this murder case.
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Holy moly.
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You're putting your life
in the hands of 12 jurors.
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Win or lose,
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I want to lay it all out there
like it really is.
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Hi, guys.
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Hey, guys.
How are you?
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This is our friend,
agent ludwick.
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So how can we use that?
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Well, that's what we were
debating right now.
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How we could use it
is the question.
How we could use it.
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Keep going.
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I can unequivocally say
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the wrong person
has been charged
in this murder.
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And we don't have
a report from him.
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I think the response
of my entire team
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shows that we were all
truly surprised,
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not just by the content
of the recording,
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but by the lack of follow-up.
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For US, this is
certainly information
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that calls into question
the investigation,
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calls into question
the statements about Jason,
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calls into question
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the analysis of what really
happened on June 19th, 2015.
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We have
a pre-trial hearing tomorrow.
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I really hope that
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information that
we've obtained today
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can be admissible
in the trial.
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The judge and the jury
really need to know
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everything that we know,
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and for them
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to be denied that
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will never bring justice.
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Cases are often made
before you go to trial.
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You learn what evidence is
going to come in and what isn't,
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and that really shapes
how the trial is going to go.
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The state wants to exclude
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almost all
or all of the evidence
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of these other suspects
and anything pointing to that.
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We obviously think
that's something
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the jury should be
allowed to consider.
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We're presented with an issue
here in terms of admissibility,
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because typically
these kinds of statements
are hearsay,
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and they're not admissible
in court
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for the truth
of the matter asserted.
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However, that's not
why we're offering it.
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We're offering it to show
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that law enforcement
did absolutely nothing
with those reports,
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that law enforcement
did a really bad investigation.
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If the judge rules against US,
it would be a big blow to US.
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So the outcome
of this hearing
could make or break the case.
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Thank you.
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Good morning, everyone.
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We will just start at the top.
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Ms. Branstad.
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Your honor, in this case,
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we have statements
by law enforcement
showing bias,
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and we have statements
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showing an unwillingness
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to pursue leads.
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There is one recording
in which the witness says,
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"I've heard a..."
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I think it's,
"a lot from a lot of people."
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And the officer's
response is,
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"well, that's just
all speculation
and hearsay,"
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and ends the interview
without asking
anything else.
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We wouldn't
be offering it to
prove that that witness
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knew a lot of things
from a lot of other people,
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it's to show the bias
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that this officer
didn't even ask
the question of,
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"who told you what?"
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This is hearsay.
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How is this
going to be admissible?
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Your honor,
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truly most investigations
like this start with
hearsay testimony.
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One person heard something,
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and then the investigator
has to follow through
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and go to the next person,
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and go to the next person.
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Your honor, I can say that
I have no intention
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to stand up
in closing argument and say,
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"Joe sedlock
is absolutely responsible,"
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or, "John followill
is absolutely responsible."
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What I do intend to say,
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if this evidence
is admitted is,
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"we don't know,
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"because these leads
were not followed through."
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It sounds like
we're all accepting
the fact it's hearsay.
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There is no permissible way
to get this evidence in
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for the truth of
the matter asserted.
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They're talking
sloppy police work.
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Okay. So the defense
can say over and over
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that this was
a surface investigation.
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They maybe even believe it.
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But it doesn't make it true.
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The jury is entitled
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to be able
to make a decision
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based on what weight to afford
a particular piece of testimony.
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But, judge,
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that piece of testimony
or evidence
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still has to be admissible
under our rules of evidence,
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and the defense has yet
to give you a cognitive reason
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under the
Iowa rules of evidence.
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Anything else
on behalf of the defendant?
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No, your honor.
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Very well.
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I will consider
the arguments,
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and I'll get
a ruling on file.
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See you all
a week from tomorrow.
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Thank you, your honor.
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Thank you,
your honor.
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It is really important
for the jury to understand
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the lens through which
law enforcement
was viewing this case,
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which was solely focused
on Jason Carter
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to the exclusion of
everything else.
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If the jury is presented
with that information,
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it will have to
raise a question
in their mind
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of, "can we really find
this guy guilty
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"if law enforcement
didn't do its job?"
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Two-zero.
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Hey,
it's the operator.
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Dang it!
Nine-zero.
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Wait. Whoa, it's my bat.
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McKenna's class
made a book,
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and I just...
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I just wanna share with you
McKenna's page.
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Um...
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She said,
"I want to be a lawyer
when I grow up.
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"I want to make a difference
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"by helping people prove
themselves innocent.
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"By McKenna."
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It just makes me
so proud of my daughter.
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It makes me realize that
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this has been harder on them
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than I even know sometimes.
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Both the kids
mean the world to me.
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You know.
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I don't know
what I'd do without 'em.
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Murder brings
a life sentence
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without parole.
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A life sentence
is as long as you live
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until you die.
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You will die in prison.
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It's a pretty scary deal.
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Okay.
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I'm fighting for my life...
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For my family and my mom.
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My attorneys
said that information
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that's been provided to US
could be considered hearsay.
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That's the only reason
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it may not be put
in front of a jury.
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The judge has ruled
in our favor,
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and so we get to bring in
the hearsay statements
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to show what wasn't done
in the investigation.
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Yeah.
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That's probably
the biggest win for US.
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That ruling is
essential to our case,
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because a great deal
of this case revolves around
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leads that we believe
weren't followed,
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information that wasn't pursued
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and our criticisms
in this case
of the investigation.
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We needed
an impartial judge,
and we got one.
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It's great. It's exactly
what should have been done.
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Nate went down
to the Marion county
sheriff's office yesterday
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to look at the physical evidence
before they bring it
down for trial.
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They found a box
that ludwick
dropped off this month
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full of 90 discs
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that were labelled blank,
but weren't blank,
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or labelled as something
that they weren't.
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Absolutely
UN-freaking-believable.
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Yeah.
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Special agent
Mark ludwick dropped off
this box of evidence
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to the Marion county
sheriff's office
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several weeks ago,
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and we're just now
receiving it
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three days before
trial starts.
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We don't know
what is on these discs.
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The box says
there's 93 discs in it.
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There's only 80.
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The discs are mislabeled.
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Some of them are blank.
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Some of them say they're blank,
and they're not blank.
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It's just a total
organizational disaster.
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I don't know if
special agent Mark ludwick
maliciously withheld evidence.
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I don't know if it was
simply an oversight.
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But most certainly
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we should have been given
all of this evidence
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months and months ago.
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We're not aware of anything
that harms US in the case,
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but we don't know if there
is substantially helpful
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information in there.
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And so that is just...
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It's disheartening,
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and it makes it
hard to go to trial
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feeling less
than fully prepared.
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This is so hard
because I promised Jason
early on in this case
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the one thing that
he could count on
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is if I went into trial,
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I would know every detail
of every bit of evidence.
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That was my promise.
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Yeah.
I said,
"that's what I will do."
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And if we go
into trial now,
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I'm not keeping
that promise.
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I feel like we're
at an advantage right now,
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but I also wonder
if it's irresponsible
to go into trial
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without having
a thorough understanding
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of everything
that's on these discs.
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There is
a certain part of me
that just feels
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so ready
for this trial...
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...despite not having
aspects that I want
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in the structure behind US.
Yeah.
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Man, I just wanna get
in front of a jury,
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and I've got
a lot of emotional...
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I just want it right now.
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Here's my plan.
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Full steam ahead like we're
going to trial on Tuesday.
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Yeah.
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Man, I gotta really
trust in her
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that she's making
the right decision.
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I have no choice
other than to keep fighting.
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You can't give up now.
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We've decided that
we are going to go ahead
with this trial.
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It's a risk.
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It's definitely a gamble
to some degree.
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But that's what
we're gonna do,
we're gonna do trial.
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A note from Kenny...
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"You are the best!
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"You're awesome, dad."
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I'm very worried
about what might happen.
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The kids would be
beyond devastated
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if their dad didn't come home.
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What?
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Are you gonna say
goodbye to chase?
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Yeah.
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If things aren't
made right,
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I don't know what I'll do.
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Okay.
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Give me a hug, chase.
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Bye, Katie.
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Make sure
you take care of mom.
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And be nice to your sister.
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No family
should go through
what we've had to go through.
259
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We just want peace,
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peace for our children,
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peace for our family,
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Okay.
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I've got a tag
I can't get off this new suit.
264
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I might have to use a knife.
265
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Opening statements
are today and...
266
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Well, I've had
some friends tell me that
opening statements are
267
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the make it or break it
type thing.
268
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Um...
269
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You know, I guess
I don't know. We'll find out.
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Scared as hell.
271
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It's always just
incredibly scary
272
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to go up in front
of a jury,
273
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and there's a lot
on the line in this case.
274
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First day today, so...
275
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Um...
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Gonna be a big day.
277
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Opening statements
are always difficult,
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because nothing
comes in exactly
as you plan.
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You may be seated.
Thank you.
280
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The prosecutor is ed bull.
281
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Our styles are very different.
282
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He's incredibly theatrical.
283
00:17:39,192 --> 00:17:40,925
Sometimes that goes
over well with juries,
284
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sometimes it doesn't.
285
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It happens in the kitchen
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of her home.
287
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Somebody
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fires a high-powered
.270 caliber rifle
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at Shirley Carter.
290
00:17:57,310 --> 00:17:58,943
The bullet
strikes her in the side.
291
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It carves a path
through her chest,
292
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shattering ribs
293
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and punching holes
in her lung and heart.
294
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With Shirley Carter lying
flat on her back,
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the shooter racks
another round
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into the chamber
of that rifle,
297
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aims dead center
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at Shirley Carter's chest,
299
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and pulls the trigger again.
300
00:18:23,970 --> 00:18:26,404
The evidence will establish
that somebody
301
00:18:28,875 --> 00:18:30,141
acted maliciously
302
00:18:30,844 --> 00:18:32,977
and with the
specific intent to kill.
303
00:18:34,214 --> 00:18:35,746
What we will prove to you
304
00:18:36,216 --> 00:18:38,916
is that there are
clues that lead
to only one conclusion.
305
00:18:39,319 --> 00:18:41,119
We will ask
that you return a verdict
306
00:18:41,154 --> 00:18:43,154
finding Jason Carter guilty
307
00:18:43,556 --> 00:18:44,922
of murder in the first degree.
308
00:18:47,026 --> 00:18:48,159
Thank you.
309
00:18:59,772 --> 00:19:01,305
What I'm going
to ask of you
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is, over the course
of this trial,
311
00:19:04,144 --> 00:19:06,110
to look and see
if you think this was
312
00:19:06,946 --> 00:19:09,080
a normal and
perfect investigation,
313
00:19:09,549 --> 00:19:12,783
or if very significant parts
of this investigation
314
00:19:13,153 --> 00:19:14,485
weren't followed through.
315
00:19:15,788 --> 00:19:17,455
The timeline
doesn't make sense.
316
00:19:18,358 --> 00:19:19,724
There was no motive.
317
00:19:20,126 --> 00:19:22,293
One investigator
in particular
318
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went after Jason Carter
319
00:19:24,564 --> 00:19:26,998
and ignored
all the other clues.
320
00:19:27,667 --> 00:19:28,866
And at the end
of this case,
321
00:19:29,269 --> 00:19:30,868
I will ask you
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00:19:30,937 --> 00:19:32,637
to enter a verdict
323
00:19:32,705 --> 00:19:33,838
of not guilty.
324
00:19:35,675 --> 00:19:36,707
Thank you.
325
00:19:37,610 --> 00:19:40,444
Court clerk:
Now, the state of Iowa
calls Michael halverson.
326
00:19:41,548 --> 00:19:42,480
The first week of trial's
327
00:19:42,515 --> 00:19:43,814
always stressful
for the defense,
328
00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:45,650
because the prosecution
gets to go first.
329
00:19:46,452 --> 00:19:48,853
It can be really frustrating,
because you do feel like
330
00:19:48,888 --> 00:19:50,421
you're just getting
hit after hit,
331
00:19:50,557 --> 00:19:51,956
and there's really very little
332
00:19:52,025 --> 00:19:54,458
that you can do about it
until the state is done.
333
00:19:55,628 --> 00:19:57,428
I'm employed
as a criminalist
334
00:19:58,031 --> 00:20:00,765
for the Iowa division
of criminal investigation.
335
00:20:01,467 --> 00:20:03,834
The prosecution
is going to use him
as a foundational witness,
336
00:20:03,937 --> 00:20:05,036
someone to say,
337
00:20:05,071 --> 00:20:06,470
"yes, this is a photograph
of the kitchen,
338
00:20:06,506 --> 00:20:07,972
"facing this direction.
339
00:20:08,007 --> 00:20:09,307
"This is why
we took this photograph.
340
00:20:09,342 --> 00:20:10,675
"This is why we think
it is significant."
341
00:20:11,244 --> 00:20:13,110
Mathias Robinson:
When you entered
the bedroom,
342
00:20:13,646 --> 00:20:16,314
was there anything specific
that you observed?
343
00:20:16,583 --> 00:20:18,950
Halverson:
Yes. The chest of drawers
344
00:20:18,985 --> 00:20:20,618
had two drawers
pulled out.
345
00:20:21,087 --> 00:20:22,553
We fingerprint dusted
346
00:20:23,223 --> 00:20:25,156
the top of this
chest of drawers.
347
00:20:25,825 --> 00:20:27,458
Did the crime scene team
348
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,527
process the living room
of the residence?
349
00:20:30,063 --> 00:20:31,429
Halverson: Yes,
we did process it.
350
00:20:31,698 --> 00:20:34,265
But it did appear uninvolved,
351
00:20:34,300 --> 00:20:35,600
undisturbed,
352
00:20:35,635 --> 00:20:39,003
so it was not examined
with the same vigor
353
00:20:39,038 --> 00:20:40,705
that the kitchen was,
for example.
354
00:20:42,141 --> 00:20:43,441
To your knowledge,
355
00:20:43,476 --> 00:20:46,911
there is
no forensic evidence
356
00:20:47,380 --> 00:20:49,213
that implicates
Jason Carter?
357
00:20:49,983 --> 00:20:51,949
That statement is correct.
358
00:20:52,952 --> 00:20:53,985
I would...
359
00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:55,753
I would like to say that
360
00:20:55,855 --> 00:20:57,154
what I said was...
361
00:20:57,190 --> 00:20:59,490
I would say I had
no forensic evidence
362
00:20:59,792 --> 00:21:00,992
that I was aware of,
363
00:21:01,094 --> 00:21:03,160
no DNA, no fingerprints,
364
00:21:03,196 --> 00:21:05,062
no ballistic evidence
365
00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:07,632
that said Jason Carter
was responsible
366
00:21:07,667 --> 00:21:09,634
or not responsible
for this death.
367
00:21:11,404 --> 00:21:12,770
I have no further questions.
368
00:21:16,276 --> 00:21:17,575
That's the only question
that matters
369
00:21:17,610 --> 00:21:18,909
when it comes to forensic.
370
00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:21,279
Does any of this link
Jason Carter to the crime?
371
00:21:21,314 --> 00:21:23,147
No? Okay, we're done.
372
00:21:24,951 --> 00:21:27,118
Court clerk:
The state will call
Laurie goff.
373
00:21:30,490 --> 00:21:33,024
Laurie goff was
the first person
with a medical background
374
00:21:33,059 --> 00:21:34,558
to look at Shirley's body
that morning.
375
00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:37,662
She originally said
Shirley had died
several hours
376
00:21:37,697 --> 00:21:40,298
before Jason arrived
at the crime scene.
377
00:21:40,333 --> 00:21:42,033
Do you swear to
tell the truth,
378
00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:43,834
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
379
00:21:43,870 --> 00:21:44,902
Goff: Yes.
380
00:21:45,004 --> 00:21:46,003
Please be seated.
381
00:21:47,173 --> 00:21:48,306
The state is alleging
382
00:21:48,441 --> 00:21:51,075
that Jason had the time
to do this in ten minutes.
383
00:21:51,577 --> 00:21:53,144
So the timeline
is extremely important,
384
00:21:53,179 --> 00:21:54,278
because if we can show
385
00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,713
that she was killed
hours before,
386
00:21:55,815 --> 00:21:57,782
there is simply no way
that Jason did it.
387
00:21:58,685 --> 00:21:59,817
Now, while you were
in the residence,
388
00:21:59,886 --> 00:22:01,185
did you observe any blood?
389
00:22:01,220 --> 00:22:02,286
Goff: Yes.
390
00:22:02,522 --> 00:22:04,121
Was that blood dry?
391
00:22:04,424 --> 00:22:05,523
No.
392
00:22:05,958 --> 00:22:08,359
This was the report
that you wrote
immediately after
393
00:22:08,394 --> 00:22:10,294
being on the scene.
Is that correct?
394
00:22:10,330 --> 00:22:11,395
Correct.
395
00:22:11,631 --> 00:22:12,963
When you wrote it,
396
00:22:12,999 --> 00:22:14,965
you wrote that
it was dried blood.
397
00:22:15,902 --> 00:22:17,168
Yes, inadvertently
that it was dried.
398
00:22:17,203 --> 00:22:18,536
It was not dried, it was wet.
399
00:22:19,839 --> 00:22:21,972
At that time
it was your finding
400
00:22:22,575 --> 00:22:24,975
that it didn't happen
minutes ago,
401
00:22:25,244 --> 00:22:27,345
it had probably been
two or three hours.
402
00:22:28,481 --> 00:22:29,513
Correct.
403
00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:32,116
You found the
coagulation of the blood
404
00:22:32,251 --> 00:22:33,484
means that it had time
405
00:22:33,519 --> 00:22:35,052
to start the clotting process,
406
00:22:36,155 --> 00:22:38,456
so you knew that
she hadn't been there
for 12 hours,
407
00:22:38,758 --> 00:22:40,958
but you knew that
she had been there
longer than an hour?
408
00:22:41,994 --> 00:22:43,194
Possibly, yes.
409
00:22:44,030 --> 00:22:45,429
That's the time frame
I gave, yes.
410
00:22:47,100 --> 00:22:48,666
I do think that
we were able to show
411
00:22:48,701 --> 00:22:50,334
Laurie goff's inconsistencies
412
00:22:50,703 --> 00:22:51,736
very clearly.
413
00:22:51,971 --> 00:22:53,471
Anything beyond ten minutes
414
00:22:53,506 --> 00:22:56,640
excludes Jason
as being a suspect,
415
00:22:57,210 --> 00:22:58,576
because he couldn't
have been there
for that to happen.
416
00:23:02,648 --> 00:23:05,149
Jason's family
will be on the stand tomorrow.
417
00:23:06,219 --> 00:23:07,618
The family interactions
418
00:23:07,687 --> 00:23:09,720
are one of the toughest parts
of this case.
419
00:23:11,457 --> 00:23:15,893
To have my family
take the stand
and say that I killed my mom,
420
00:23:17,663 --> 00:23:18,996
pretty low.
421
00:23:20,099 --> 00:23:21,465
I feel nervous...
422
00:23:22,368 --> 00:23:23,801
Scared.
423
00:23:25,972 --> 00:23:27,338
Most of the time
in a criminal case
424
00:23:27,373 --> 00:23:29,940
your family sits behind you
and supports you and,
in this case,
425
00:23:31,077 --> 00:23:33,144
he's got his family
on the other side
of the courtroom.
426
00:23:43,856 --> 00:23:45,289
It's gonna be
very hard for Jason
427
00:23:45,358 --> 00:23:48,993
to have to sit there
as his family members
testify against him.
428
00:23:49,095 --> 00:23:51,195
They won't be able
to directly state to the jury
429
00:23:51,230 --> 00:23:52,396
that they think Jason
430
00:23:52,432 --> 00:23:54,098
is responsible
for Shirley's death.
431
00:23:54,133 --> 00:23:55,633
I think it'll just be clear
by the fact
432
00:23:55,668 --> 00:23:58,469
that they're testifying
that they believe
that Jason is guilty.
433
00:23:59,238 --> 00:24:00,604
Good morning.
You can come right up here.
Good morning.
434
00:24:00,706 --> 00:24:02,006
I'm sure
everybody's gonna think,
435
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:06,076
",
that is one messed up family."
436
00:24:06,112 --> 00:24:07,778
Do you swear to
tell the whole truth
and nothing but the truth?
437
00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,413
Yes, I do.
Please be seated.
438
00:24:11,451 --> 00:24:13,350
I wanna talk about June 19th.
439
00:24:13,386 --> 00:24:16,620
Did you receive
a phone call
from your brother
440
00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:19,356
a little after 11:00 A.M.?
441
00:24:19,492 --> 00:24:20,925
Yes, I did.
442
00:24:21,894 --> 00:24:23,160
He said,
443
00:24:23,229 --> 00:24:26,063
"mom is laying on
the kitchen floor
444
00:24:26,666 --> 00:24:28,065
"and she's dead."
445
00:24:28,100 --> 00:24:29,133
And...
446
00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:31,969
I said immediately...
447
00:24:32,071 --> 00:24:33,037
"No!"
448
00:24:33,072 --> 00:24:37,041
I... and I said,
"Jason, did you call 911?"
449
00:24:37,643 --> 00:24:40,377
And he said,
"no, it's too late.
450
00:24:40,413 --> 00:24:42,313
"She's cold. She's stiff.
She's dead."
451
00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:45,783
And I said,
"you don't know that."
452
00:24:45,818 --> 00:24:48,185
I said, "Jason,
you gotta call 911."
453
00:24:48,221 --> 00:24:51,088
And that's...
You know, it was...
454
00:24:52,492 --> 00:24:54,158
He still wouldn't call 911.
455
00:24:55,862 --> 00:24:59,630
So I hung up,
and I called my dad.
456
00:24:59,966 --> 00:25:01,432
Why did you
call your dad?
457
00:25:03,436 --> 00:25:06,770
Because he wasn't calling 911
anyway, and so I thought,
458
00:25:06,806 --> 00:25:07,872
well, dad...
459
00:25:09,642 --> 00:25:11,775
Dad would know.
Dad could do it.
460
00:25:12,912 --> 00:25:14,612
Sir, if I could get you
to come right up here, please.
461
00:25:14,647 --> 00:25:16,547
Dad is taking the stand.
462
00:25:17,149 --> 00:25:18,716
I can only imagine
what he's gonna say.
463
00:25:18,751 --> 00:25:19,817
Raise your right hand
for me, please.
464
00:25:19,919 --> 00:25:21,185
Do you swear to tell the truth,
465
00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:23,454
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth?
466
00:25:23,489 --> 00:25:25,689
Bill Carter:
I got a phone call
from my daughter.
467
00:25:25,791 --> 00:25:27,291
She said,
468
00:25:28,895 --> 00:25:29,927
"dad,
469
00:25:32,932 --> 00:25:34,331
"mom's dead."
470
00:25:37,069 --> 00:25:39,003
And then I took off for home
471
00:25:41,140 --> 00:25:43,774
as fast
as I could get there.
472
00:25:44,410 --> 00:25:46,377
Jason was talking on the phone.
473
00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:48,178
I didn't even stop,
474
00:25:48,214 --> 00:25:50,648
I just went running
in the house.
475
00:25:52,084 --> 00:25:53,183
What did you see?
476
00:25:53,619 --> 00:25:55,886
I found Shirley on the floor,
477
00:25:57,456 --> 00:25:59,189
and she was dead.
478
00:25:59,892 --> 00:26:01,792
And then I picked her head up
479
00:26:01,894 --> 00:26:03,928
and I kissed her
on the forehead,
480
00:26:05,131 --> 00:26:06,196
and she was cold.
481
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:11,035
What did you do?
482
00:26:12,171 --> 00:26:14,972
I said, "Jason,
look how she's laying.
483
00:26:16,208 --> 00:26:17,975
"You don't die that way."
484
00:26:19,011 --> 00:26:22,813
How would you explain
your emotional state?
485
00:26:23,282 --> 00:26:24,748
I was a mess.
486
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:27,618
It was terrible.
487
00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:31,855
They say your life
can change in an instant,
488
00:26:33,759 --> 00:26:35,292
and it did.
489
00:26:36,862 --> 00:26:37,895
It changed.
490
00:26:38,564 --> 00:26:40,431
And it'll never be the same.
491
00:26:43,402 --> 00:26:45,502
Out of all of the days
of trial so far,
492
00:26:45,538 --> 00:26:46,704
this has been the worst.
493
00:26:47,306 --> 00:26:48,772
None of these people
offered anything
494
00:26:48,808 --> 00:26:52,376
that tended to show
that Jason was responsible
for this crime.
495
00:26:52,678 --> 00:26:54,745
But because
they're family members
496
00:26:54,814 --> 00:26:56,614
who believe
that Jason is responsible,
497
00:26:56,649 --> 00:26:58,582
and that comes off
as they testify,
498
00:26:58,618 --> 00:27:01,518
is something that the jury
could take into consideration.
499
00:27:09,829 --> 00:27:12,029
To have my family
testify against me
500
00:27:15,134 --> 00:27:16,333
is terrible.
501
00:27:17,970 --> 00:27:20,371
They're not allowed to say
that I murdered mom,
502
00:27:21,273 --> 00:27:23,807
but basically,
by them taking the stand
503
00:27:23,843 --> 00:27:25,209
for the prosecution,
504
00:27:25,244 --> 00:27:26,810
shows the jury
505
00:27:27,813 --> 00:27:29,146
whose side they're on.
506
00:27:31,417 --> 00:27:34,685
Any kind of loving relationship
that we would have had
507
00:27:35,488 --> 00:27:38,789
was completely shredded
by agent ludwick.
508
00:27:39,725 --> 00:27:41,825
He did his utmost
509
00:27:41,861 --> 00:27:44,962
to tear the family
completely apart.
510
00:27:46,432 --> 00:27:49,466
I am looking forward
to seeing agent ludwick
take the stand,
511
00:27:49,502 --> 00:27:54,505
because he is going
to be their demise.
512
00:28:08,921 --> 00:28:11,722
The state didn't call
their lead investigator.
513
00:28:12,158 --> 00:28:15,359
I don't recall any trial
514
00:28:15,461 --> 00:28:16,527
that I've been involved in
515
00:28:16,629 --> 00:28:19,196
where the lead investigator
wasn't called,
516
00:28:19,231 --> 00:28:21,498
and certainly not
in a murder trial.
517
00:28:22,468 --> 00:28:24,935
We now need to decide
whether to call ludwick.
518
00:28:25,438 --> 00:28:28,772
This is a decision
that could make this case
519
00:28:28,874 --> 00:28:31,108
or that could be
an absolute disaster.
520
00:28:33,946 --> 00:28:35,579
We need
to talk about the strategy
521
00:28:35,614 --> 00:28:37,047
for this trial again.
522
00:28:37,683 --> 00:28:39,583
I didn't anticipate
the state wouldn't put on
523
00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:42,119
any detective or investigator.
524
00:28:42,722 --> 00:28:44,288
If we bring in ludwick,
525
00:28:44,390 --> 00:28:46,724
we've got all sorts of
great information there.
526
00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:50,961
But if he comes in and says,
"shucks, I tried,
527
00:28:51,864 --> 00:28:53,363
"but everything points
to Jason."
528
00:28:53,399 --> 00:28:55,265
I've been told for so long
529
00:28:55,301 --> 00:28:56,834
that these people
are gonna come in
530
00:28:56,936 --> 00:28:58,168
and make
a big difference
531
00:28:58,270 --> 00:29:00,971
that's really
gonna cast
a shadow of a doubt.
532
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:02,306
And now you're telling me
533
00:29:02,341 --> 00:29:03,974
we're not gonna bring
any of it in?
534
00:29:05,411 --> 00:29:07,544
Right now, there's no face
on this investigation.
535
00:29:07,580 --> 00:29:10,214
No face other than me,
536
00:29:10,483 --> 00:29:12,216
and I catch those jurors
looking at me
537
00:29:12,251 --> 00:29:14,017
non-stop all day long.
538
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,452
There's a lot of risk
539
00:29:15,921 --> 00:29:17,287
in putting them on.
540
00:29:18,057 --> 00:29:19,957
But is there
a lot of risk in not sharing
541
00:29:19,992 --> 00:29:21,425
with them what we know?
542
00:29:22,128 --> 00:29:23,327
I mean...
Yeah.
543
00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:26,130
I made some promises,
not anticipating
544
00:29:26,165 --> 00:29:27,898
that the state wouldn't
put on their investigator.
545
00:29:28,334 --> 00:29:29,700
If we go this road,
546
00:29:29,802 --> 00:29:31,668
I'll go after 'em,
547
00:29:31,737 --> 00:29:34,371
but it's your case,
and the final decision
has to be yours.
548
00:29:35,674 --> 00:29:37,341
Because if we lose,
549
00:29:37,443 --> 00:29:40,611
you will always decide that
that was the wrong decision.
550
00:29:40,946 --> 00:29:45,015
We know you are
going above and beyond.
551
00:29:46,118 --> 00:29:47,584
And we do trust you.
552
00:29:47,620 --> 00:29:50,087
It's just we're scared.
553
00:29:50,189 --> 00:29:51,655
I get that.
554
00:29:52,658 --> 00:29:55,125
We have two kids
that he has to come home to.
555
00:30:05,404 --> 00:30:07,538
The entire case
has led up to today.
556
00:30:14,046 --> 00:30:16,046
Ludwick's taking
the stand today.
557
00:30:17,149 --> 00:30:18,515
We'll see if...
558
00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:21,585
If he's gonna fess up
to all of his wrongdoings.
559
00:30:22,521 --> 00:30:24,788
Man, he's lied his ass off
the whole way through,
560
00:30:25,457 --> 00:30:28,192
so I just keep
waiting for horns
to sprout out of his head,
561
00:30:28,260 --> 00:30:30,294
so that people can really see
how he is.
562
00:30:35,601 --> 00:30:38,168
Jason is excited
for this evidence
563
00:30:38,204 --> 00:30:40,070
to be in front of the jury.
564
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:42,973
Like always,
I'm just nervous.
565
00:30:46,912 --> 00:30:50,480
There are two possibilities
with the state not putting on
their lead investigator.
566
00:30:52,218 --> 00:30:54,184
Either they knew
it was a weakness,
567
00:30:54,220 --> 00:30:56,086
or they're trying
to bait US into doing it.
568
00:30:57,656 --> 00:30:59,456
My name is Mark ludwick,
569
00:31:00,259 --> 00:31:02,893
spelled l-u-d-w-i-c-k.
570
00:31:03,863 --> 00:31:05,863
All interviews
and reports
571
00:31:05,998 --> 00:31:07,364
are supposed to
come back to you
572
00:31:07,433 --> 00:31:09,466
for management of
the investigation,
aren't they?
573
00:31:09,568 --> 00:31:10,500
That's correct.
574
00:31:10,536 --> 00:31:13,871
I have hundreds and hundreds
of documents
575
00:31:14,006 --> 00:31:15,606
and pages of interviews.
576
00:31:16,442 --> 00:31:18,308
Most of these
interviews occurred
577
00:31:19,011 --> 00:31:20,911
after there were
questions posed
578
00:31:21,013 --> 00:31:23,580
by Jason Carter's
defense attorneys
579
00:31:23,616 --> 00:31:24,915
about what happened.
580
00:31:25,918 --> 00:31:27,017
That's correct, yes.
581
00:31:28,487 --> 00:31:29,720
Okay.
582
00:31:29,822 --> 00:31:31,955
Many, many people
implicate
583
00:31:32,625 --> 00:31:33,824
Joel followill,
584
00:31:34,226 --> 00:31:35,292
John followill,
585
00:31:35,494 --> 00:31:37,094
or Joe sedlock. Correct?
586
00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:40,397
Their names come up
by multiple individuals.
587
00:31:40,666 --> 00:31:43,033
There are multiple reports
588
00:31:43,068 --> 00:31:45,736
alleging that
Joe sedlock,
John followill,
589
00:31:45,804 --> 00:31:49,573
and Joel followill
were involved
in the homicide.
590
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:53,644
Yes, I believe
we were told that.
591
00:31:54,013 --> 00:31:54,945
Um...
592
00:31:54,980 --> 00:31:56,413
Charity rausch said
593
00:31:56,782 --> 00:31:59,082
they were supposed
to be getting medication
594
00:31:59,118 --> 00:32:01,351
that was coming in the mail,
but something went wrong.
595
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,920
Joel got startled,
596
00:32:02,988 --> 00:32:04,554
and the gun
went off accidentally,
597
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:06,523
but that Joe sedlock went back
598
00:32:06,558 --> 00:32:09,393
and fired a shot
to kill the woman.
599
00:32:10,863 --> 00:32:12,162
Is that correct?
600
00:32:12,598 --> 00:32:13,664
Yes, I believe
that's correct.
601
00:32:14,099 --> 00:32:15,299
To this date,
602
00:32:16,535 --> 00:32:17,801
are you aware
603
00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:21,371
of any alibi evidence
604
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,407
for either of
those three individuals?
605
00:32:26,645 --> 00:32:28,845
Regarding the, the...
On June 19th?
606
00:32:28,948 --> 00:32:31,515
For the morning of
June 19th, 2015.
607
00:32:31,850 --> 00:32:35,285
No. I... I do not know
where Joe sedlock was.
608
00:32:35,521 --> 00:32:37,654
I do not know
where John followill was.
609
00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:39,790
And I do not know
where Joel followill was.
610
00:32:49,001 --> 00:32:50,067
Agent ludwick.
611
00:32:50,202 --> 00:32:51,134
Yes, ma'am.
612
00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:53,603
Many, many people
613
00:32:53,639 --> 00:32:57,007
say that it was
a burglary gone wrong.
614
00:32:57,643 --> 00:32:59,443
Yeah, burglary gone wrong
615
00:32:59,478 --> 00:33:00,911
was something that we knew
616
00:33:00,946 --> 00:33:03,046
by noon on the day
of the homicide
617
00:33:03,082 --> 00:33:04,781
was going around
the small community.
618
00:33:06,018 --> 00:33:08,051
John followill
and Joel followill
619
00:33:08,153 --> 00:33:09,186
were known to be involved
620
00:33:09,254 --> 00:33:10,754
in a number of burglaries,
weren't they?
621
00:33:11,924 --> 00:33:15,993
They had been,
but they aren't
violent individuals.
622
00:33:16,028 --> 00:33:19,162
That's not in their nature
or character that I felt.
623
00:33:19,732 --> 00:33:21,198
You testified
624
00:33:22,234 --> 00:33:23,767
that neither of
the followills
625
00:33:23,802 --> 00:33:25,469
had a history
of violence.
626
00:33:25,971 --> 00:33:28,638
Were you aware
that Joel followill
627
00:33:28,741 --> 00:33:31,975
has convictions
for four assaults,
628
00:33:32,011 --> 00:33:33,577
two domestic assaults,
629
00:33:33,612 --> 00:33:35,445
and burglary second?
630
00:33:35,914 --> 00:33:37,114
Yes, ma'am,
I'm aware of that.
631
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:40,751
And that
John followill
632
00:33:40,819 --> 00:33:42,753
has at least
two convictions
for assault?
633
00:33:44,256 --> 00:33:46,456
I remember he had assaults
on his record, yes,
634
00:33:46,492 --> 00:33:48,225
but I...
No further questions.
635
00:33:58,103 --> 00:33:59,636
We've decided to rest.
636
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,042
It is always
a difficult decision
to rest your case,
637
00:34:05,611 --> 00:34:07,811
but we feel very good
about where we ended.
638
00:34:07,913 --> 00:34:10,447
The testimony
from agent ludwick
639
00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:14,818
really provided a clear picture,
and we hope the jury sees that.
640
00:34:16,121 --> 00:34:18,021
So, no more witnesses.
641
00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:19,556
No me. No Shelly.
642
00:34:20,626 --> 00:34:22,426
I kinda feel
like I'm in limbo.
643
00:34:25,264 --> 00:34:28,298
Jason would like
every single bit of the story
to be known.
644
00:34:28,834 --> 00:34:30,634
And it's tough for him
not to have
645
00:34:30,669 --> 00:34:33,236
every single detail
in front of this jury.
646
00:34:33,739 --> 00:34:35,138
But he also understands
647
00:34:35,374 --> 00:34:37,074
that we've reached the point
648
00:34:37,176 --> 00:34:39,543
where it may be
in our best interest
649
00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:41,578
to just end on
our strongest notes.
650
00:34:50,622 --> 00:34:52,422
We start
closing arguments today.
651
00:34:53,358 --> 00:34:56,693
Hopefully the jurors
can see right through
all the , but...
652
00:35:02,701 --> 00:35:05,769
We only spent two days
with our side.
653
00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:08,071
That makes me
really nervous,
654
00:35:09,208 --> 00:35:11,708
'cause we kinda cut
a lot of our stuff short.
655
00:35:14,246 --> 00:35:15,512
We give our closings,
656
00:35:15,581 --> 00:35:17,047
and then it's all
up to the jury.
657
00:35:17,883 --> 00:35:19,883
Ed bull,
he's a skilled litigator,
658
00:35:19,985 --> 00:35:22,419
but there's no amount of skill
that overcomes facts.
659
00:35:29,495 --> 00:35:34,798
This was a case
built against Jason Carter
660
00:35:34,833 --> 00:35:36,600
instead of a case
661
00:35:36,635 --> 00:35:39,903
trying to solve a crime
and look at all the clues.
662
00:35:40,305 --> 00:35:41,805
You gotta believe
someone went downstairs,
663
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:43,140
found a gun in that basement,
664
00:35:43,175 --> 00:35:44,541
came back upstairs, shot her,
665
00:35:44,643 --> 00:35:45,809
instead of walking out the door.
666
00:35:46,245 --> 00:35:49,146
The state's
own criminalist said,
667
00:35:49,882 --> 00:35:52,282
"I'm not aware
of any forensic evidence."
668
00:35:52,317 --> 00:35:54,484
There are only two people
who know what happened that day,
669
00:35:55,120 --> 00:35:56,686
one of them's dead,
670
00:35:56,722 --> 00:35:58,121
and the other one's
sitting in that chair.
671
00:35:58,223 --> 00:36:00,056
Find him guilty as charged.
672
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:04,561
Jason Carter
couldn't possibly be guilty.
673
00:36:04,596 --> 00:36:08,331
I ask you to return
a verdict of not guilty.
674
00:36:10,936 --> 00:36:14,337
With that,
take the 12 members
of the panel
675
00:36:14,373 --> 00:36:15,672
into the jury room.
676
00:36:34,927 --> 00:36:35,892
Well...
677
00:36:36,695 --> 00:36:38,295
Jury's in deliberation,
678
00:36:38,397 --> 00:36:39,563
eating their dinner,
679
00:36:40,199 --> 00:36:41,665
and,
680
00:36:42,467 --> 00:36:44,334
they'll start
to decide my fate.
681
00:36:51,944 --> 00:36:54,611
Kenny sent me a message
this morning,
and so did chase.
682
00:36:55,214 --> 00:36:57,214
And I'm just sending them
a message back.
683
00:36:58,584 --> 00:37:00,584
"Daddy loves you both,"
684
00:37:02,221 --> 00:37:03,853
"and your brother very much."
685
00:37:06,325 --> 00:37:08,158
I said,
"you take good care of mama."
686
00:37:11,697 --> 00:37:13,630
"Just in case."
687
00:37:21,473 --> 00:37:22,872
Okay, we'll be right there.
688
00:37:23,275 --> 00:37:24,407
They've got a verdict.
689
00:37:25,577 --> 00:37:26,776
I need to call...
690
00:37:26,845 --> 00:37:28,044
You guys need
to get here right now,
691
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,079
they've called a verdict.
692
00:37:30,182 --> 00:37:32,082
Are they done?
Yeah.
693
00:37:34,253 --> 00:37:35,185
What can that mean?
694
00:37:36,888 --> 00:37:38,888
Okay.
Sam, we've got a verdict.
695
00:37:38,924 --> 00:37:40,090
We do whatever you say.
696
00:37:40,592 --> 00:37:41,558
Okay?
697
00:37:44,663 --> 00:37:45,862
How can that be?
698
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:49,699
They didn't look at anything.
699
00:37:50,302 --> 00:37:51,901
Maybe because
they already know, Jason.
700
00:37:52,004 --> 00:37:53,003
Come on.
701
00:37:53,038 --> 00:37:54,137
How can that be, Sam?
702
00:38:41,687 --> 00:38:44,120
Ladies and gentlemen,
have you reached a verdict?
703
00:38:44,156 --> 00:38:45,455
Female juror: Yes, we have.
704
00:38:52,798 --> 00:38:55,432
"We, the jury,
find Jason Carter
705
00:38:59,171 --> 00:39:00,503
"not guilty."
706
00:39:00,972 --> 00:39:02,706
Is that
your verdict,
707
00:39:02,741 --> 00:39:03,873
ladies
and gentlemen?
708
00:39:03,909 --> 00:39:05,108
Female juror: Yes, it is.
709
00:39:06,211 --> 00:39:08,845
Mr. Bull,
do you care to have
the jury polled?
710
00:39:08,947 --> 00:39:09,879
No, sir.
711
00:39:09,915 --> 00:39:10,947
Very well.
712
00:39:34,473 --> 00:39:36,573
I know. I know.
713
00:39:38,210 --> 00:39:39,476
Hi, Cecil.
714
00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,113
I am so glad.
715
00:39:44,049 --> 00:39:45,615
I can't believe it.
716
00:39:45,884 --> 00:39:46,883
Finally.
717
00:39:51,223 --> 00:39:52,989
I'm so happy.
718
00:39:55,060 --> 00:39:56,226
Let's go home.
719
00:39:56,962 --> 00:39:58,461
Yeah, we're going home.
720
00:40:13,278 --> 00:40:14,677
It's just a huge weight
721
00:40:14,746 --> 00:40:16,946
lifted off
all of our backs.
722
00:40:18,417 --> 00:40:20,583
My mom can rest
a little easier.
723
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,889
It doesn't feel like
I finally got justice,
724
00:40:27,392 --> 00:40:31,594
because whoever
did this to my mom
is still walking around.
725
00:40:34,366 --> 00:40:37,066
I'll never give up
on trying to figure out
726
00:40:38,136 --> 00:40:39,202
who did this to her.
727
00:40:40,739 --> 00:40:42,071
My mom deserves that.
728
00:40:45,644 --> 00:40:47,076
My kids deserve that.
729
00:40:47,112 --> 00:40:48,511
My wife deserves that.
730
00:40:51,049 --> 00:40:54,417
And as much as I dislike
my dad and my siblings,
731
00:40:54,453 --> 00:40:55,652
they deserve it too.
732
00:41:02,127 --> 00:41:04,561
I guess it's up to me
to try and figure out
733
00:41:10,969 --> 00:41:12,435
What happened to mom.
53368
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