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Man: Magic is the word
that comes to mind for me
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when I think
of Muscle Shoals.
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It's about alchemy,
it's about turning metal,
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the iron in the ground,
the rust, into gold.
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You just have to listen.
And you will be transported.
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You will be changed.
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You're going to hear some of
the greatest voices that ever were.
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* One, two, three
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* One, two, three
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* Ow!
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* Uh! All right!
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* Uh!
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* Got to know how to Pony
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* Like Bony Moronie
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* Mash Potato
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* Do the Alligator
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* Put your hand
on your hips, yeah
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* Let your backbone slip
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* Do the Watusi
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* Like my little Lucy
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* Ow! Uh!
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You know, I feel all right.
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Feel pretty good, y'all.
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* Na, na-na na-na, na-na na-na,
na-na na-na na-na
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* Na-na na-na
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Come on, y'all,
let's say it one more time.
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* Na, na-na na-na, na-na na-na,
na-na na-na na-na
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* Na-na na-na
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* Ohh!
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* Dancin' in the alley
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* With Long Tall Sally
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* Twistin' with Lucy
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* Doin' the Watusi
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* Roll over on your back
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* I like it like that
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* Ohh, help me
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* Ohh, help me
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We started to hear
this sound coming out.
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There was an amazing feel.
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Kind of magnetic,
I suppose in a way, sound wise.
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And then after a while,
this word, "Muscle Shoals"
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comes into the picture,
and you put two and two together
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and that was when I said,
"If we get the chance,
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we got to go down there,"
you know.
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Man: People now still ask me,
"What is it about Muscle Shoals?"
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It's just a little village
on the Alabama border.
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Why does that music
come out of there?
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It's an enigma.
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How did so much music
take place
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in such an undescript little town?
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There was just something
about that place,
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something that still
to this day nobody can explain.
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Man: At different points in time,
on this planet,
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there are certain places
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where there is a field
of energy.
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At this certain point in time
for this number of years,
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there was Muscle Shoals.
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Richards: It's a unique thing,
rooms and record-making
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like that, it doesn't happen
very often.
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It's usually somebody
like Rick Hall
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that's like a type of maniac.
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With the drive and the foresight
to do it, you know,
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and he's a tough guy.
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Hall: This area here is where
my roots are.
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And it's helped me develop
into whatever I am today.
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My father was a sawmiller,
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and we lived way out
in the Freedom Hills.
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No houses, no neighbors.
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No kids to play with.
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The floor in our house was dirt.
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The heater was made
out of an oil drum.
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We slept on straw beds
made out of straw
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that we pulled up
in the fields.
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We had no bathing facilities,
no toilets, nothing.
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And we just kind of grew up
like animals.
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That made me a little bitter.
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Somewhat driven.
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I wanted to be special.
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I wanted to be somebody.
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(* "Steal Away" - Jimmy Hughes)
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* Can you slip away,
slip away
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* Slip away, yeah
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* Oh, I need you so
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(tape rewinding)
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The first record I cut
in this studio
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was a record called
Steal Away by Jimmy Hughes.
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Brand new building.
And I was hoping it had the magic.
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I didn't know.
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So I brought my band in,
and I went up
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in the control room
and sat down.
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Okay, all set?
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I turned on the microphones
and nervously hit
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the talk-back button
to the musicians
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and said with a slight crackle
in my voice, "Rolling."
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One, two, one, two,
three, four.
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(music begins playing)
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When they kicked off
Steal Away,
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I sat behind the console...
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...and wept.
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I just had huge chill bumps
come up on my arms.
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And the hair on the back
of my neck actually stood up.
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And of course,
this was the birth
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of the Muscle Shoals sound.
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* I've got to see you
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* Somehow
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* Not tomorrow
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* Right now
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* I know it's late, whoa,
I can't wait
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* So come on and steal away
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I've heard entertainers and producers
tell me
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that we got some kind
of sound here
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that they can't get
anywhere else.
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They have to come here.
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Candi Staton: It's that, oh,
deep down into your stomach,
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coming up out of your gut,
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coming up out of your heart.
That's that Muscle Shoals sound.
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* I won't tell
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* Anybody else
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* I'll keep it to myself
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* I know it's late, whoa,
I can't wait
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* So come on and steal away
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Bono: That sound made it through
to even Ireland and Britain.
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And we felt the blood in that.
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We felt the...
the sort of pulse of it.
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And we wanted some,
you know?
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Ivey: You got to understand
that Muscle Shoals
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had its own kind of R & B.
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Different from Memphis,
different from Detroit,
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different from New York,
different from L.A.
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How did it happen in this little town
of 8,000 people,
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to start this whole style of music?
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Bono: It always seems
to come out of the river.
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You know, even in Liverpool,
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you know, the Mersey sound.
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And then of course, Mississippi.
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And here you have
the Tennessee River.
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It's like the songs
come out of the mud.
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(drums playing)
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Man: We're at a place
called Ishatae.
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It means it's a special place,
a holy place.
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It's a place of music.
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And it's a place of people.
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I've been working on it
for 32 years.
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There's over eight million
pounds of stones here.
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It's a memorial to
my great-great-grandmother.
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She was an American Indian,
and her people were Yuchi.
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My grandmother's people
called this river,
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that we call the Tennessee today,
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they called it Nunnuhsae,
"the river that sings."
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They believed a young woman
lived in the river,
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sang songs to them,
and protected them.
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In the year 1839,
my great-great-grandmother
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was removed from right here
in Muscle Shoals.
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She was taken to
the Indian Nations,
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what is now present-day
Muskogee, Oklahoma.
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When Grandmother
got out there to Oklahoma,
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she said there were no songs.
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She went and listened to
all the streams she could find
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and there were no songs.
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They couldn't sing,
they couldn't dance.
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They couldn't hold their ceremonies.
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And they got to be
very sad people.
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So, she started
to come back home.
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She walked all the way back.
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It took her roughly five years.
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She had to come back
to this river.
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The river that sings.
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The great dams have softened
the woman in the river's songs,
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but if you go to very quiet places
and listen,
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you can still hear her songs.
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I know, I hear her songs
nearly every day.
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Hall: When I was a young man,
starting out in the music business,
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Billy Sherrill and l,
who were writing partners,
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got a phone call
from a guy that wanted
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to start a publishing company
with us,
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and had the sum of $500
to spend on us,
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which we thought was
a gold mine.
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So, Tom Stafford
was a dream come true.
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We went in business
and we had a little bitty studio
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over Tom's father's drugstore.
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We got a few cuts,
made a few bucks,
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and one day, I was called in
to a meeting with Billy and Tom
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and they advised me
that they were not happy
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with the way things
were going and thought
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that I was a little too much
of a workaholic.
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And said that they wanted
to have fun
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while they were
having hit records,
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and that I was just too adamant
and too strong-willed,
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and too pushy.
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So, they decided to let me go.
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So, I obviously went home,
began to lick my wounds,
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and was very bitter.
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During this time,
I worked at a place called
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Reynolds Metals Company
in Muscle Shoals, Alabama.
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And I married my first wife,
Faye Marie, there.
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She and I had been married
about 18 months,
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and we went to Hamilton
to see Benny Martin in concert.
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It was about sundown,
and I met a car
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who was traveling very fast.
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I swerved to go around that car.
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I hit some loose gravels
on the side of the road
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and went into a spin,
a tailspin.
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The car turned end over end
a couple, three times,
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and landed on its top.
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And didn't know if she was
out or in,
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but couldn't find her in the car,
it was total darkness.
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I began to yell for her
and couldn't hear any noise,
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except I could hear gasoline
running out of the gas tank
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into the car somewhere.
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And I thought, of course,
it's going to be my death
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because the car's
going to catch fire
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and I can't get out.
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I got out of the car
and searched around
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in kudzu vines
up to here.
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Finally, some people stopped
with a flashlight
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and we found her.
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I nursed her on the way
to Hamilton Hospital.
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About two o'clock in the morning,
the doctor came to me
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and said,
"Your wife has passed on."
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And, of course,
I freaked out.
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I became a drunk,
a vagabond.
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A tramp.
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That changed my whole life.
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It was hard times and all I had
to cling to was my music.
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I slept in my car.
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I ate in my car.
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And I wrote songs in my car.
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But I continued playing music
and it was the only love I had
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at that time, and so...
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I joined a little
local band in Hamilton.
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From that time on,
for five years, I wrote songs,
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played music,
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and chased the women.
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* Somebody loan me a dime
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* Somebody loan me a dime
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* I need to call my old time,
used to be
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Hall: All this gravitated towards,
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what am I going to do
with the rest of my life,
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and I decided to come back
to Muscle Shoals,
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but this time I came back
with a vengeance.
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I came back with a determination
that I was going to
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kick some ass
and take some names.
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And I was going to make it
in the music business.
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And so I set up shop in a little
candy and tobacco warehouse.
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I closed the doors,
I hid my car.
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I didn't talk to girls,
I didn't make dates,
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I didn't do anything
except write songs
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and I was totally obsessed
with the business.
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And so shortly after that,
I ran into Arthur Alexander,
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who was a local bellhop
at the Sheffield Hotel.
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And he played me a song
and said, "What do you think?"
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And I said, "I think it's a hit."
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He said, "What are we
gonna do about it?"
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I said, "We're going to cut it."
He said, "When?", I said, "Tomorrow."
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I brought my band in.
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Norbert Putnam,
David Briggs,
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Jerry Carrigan,
Peanut Montgomery,
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and Terry Thompson
were the first rhythm section
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to be in the studio
and to cut a hit record.
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Putnam: Now, you gotta realize
Rick Hall is this older man.
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We're all 18, 19 years old.
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And Rick's what, 28, 29?
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He had the vision
for the recording.
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Rick made records with
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a group of teenage kids, okay,
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that became hit records,
world-class records.
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* You asked me to give up
the hand of the girl I love
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* You tell me I'm not the man
she's worthy of
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The very first record,
You Better Move On,
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by Arthur Alexander that I produced,
I had anything to do with was a hit.
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Not the second or third,
but the first session we cut
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was a hit record.
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Carrigan: I know Rick
was determined to cut that hit
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and he did it,
but if he hadn't,
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I'm of the opinion that none of this
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Muscle Shoals movement
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would have ever happened.
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* That's up to her
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* Yes, and the Lord above
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* You better move on
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The rest of the world
started looking at Muscle Shoals.
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Thank you very much.
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We're gonna do a slow one now,
it's called, You Better Move On.
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It was the only thing we did like that.
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And the girls really adored this song.
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It was a big hit for us
in England.
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It was a number-one record.
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* If you ask me
to give up the hand
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* Of the girl I love
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I think the Beatles
beat us to Arthur Alexander
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by, like, a couple of weeks.
You know, they cut Anna
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and I think we cut Better Move On
maybe a month later.
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There's a love
of Arthur Alexander.
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* You ask me
to give up the only love
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* I've ever had
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Richards: At that time, we had
no idea where this was recorded,
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but it's interesting to know
one of the first things that we cut
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was a Muscle Shoals production,
you know.
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* Better move on
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This original Muscle Shoals
rhythm section
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opened for the Beatles in 1964,
their first American concert.
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And of course, a year later
in '65, we all go to Nashville.
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Hall: These guys went on to become
great pickers and producers
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and learned from experience
here at FAME,
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man, we can do it.
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Johnson: When they left,
there was nobody else.
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We were the only game in town
for him to get.
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(crowd chatter)
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They took the ball
that we started rolling,
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and they rolled it
and made it bigger.
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Individually, I never really
thought we were great players.
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But together,
we were great players.
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We had the magic together.
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Beckett: We liked playing funky.
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All funky was was that
we didn't know how to make it smooth.
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We're rock 'n' roll players, okay?
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You just didn't expect them
to be as funky
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or as greasy as they were.
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* I know a place
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* Ain't nobody cryin'
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The grooves that we set up
came from rhythm and blues music.
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I remember when Paul Simon
called Stax Records,
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talked to Al Bell.
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And said, "Hey, man,
I want those same black players
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that played on
I'll Take You There.
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He said, "That can happen,
but these guys are mighty pale."
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* Let me take you there
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* I'll take you there
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* You got to, got to,
gotta let me
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* I'll take you there
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A lot of people
could not believe
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that my whole band was white guys
that played behind me.
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Bono: People have arrived
at Muscle Shoals
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expecting to meet
these black dudes,
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and they're a bunch of white guys
that looked like
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they worked in the supermarket
around the corner.
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Johnson: The Muscle Shoals
rhythm section:
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David Hood, bass player.
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Jimmy Johnson, guitar.
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Hawkins: Roger Hawkins, drums.
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Beckett: Barry Beckett,
keyboard player.
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Later on, became known
as the Swampers.
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Hall: A strong rhythm section
made the difference
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when you went in the studio
every day with the same pickers
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and the same players,
and they became a team,
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and it was hard to beat that.
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We began to bring in
songwriters and musicians,
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anybody that wanted
to be in the music business.
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(keyboard music)
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Oldham: I guess during high school,
I started going over
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to FAME studio.
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That was like a melting pot
for songwriters, musicians.
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I was, as a teenager,
really impressed with all that.
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Penn: I came up here
and I'm just a kid, really.
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And all these people here
were kids, too.
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I mean, nobody knew anything.
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Fritts: We're just doing our best
to learn how to make records
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and learn how to write songs
and learn how to play music.
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Most of these guys
around here, including myself,
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are country people.
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We come from the country.
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Arthur Alexander,
Jimmy Hughes,
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they were the pioneers as far
as the artist goes down here,
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Percy Sledge.
These are just local people.
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Sledge: I'm from a small town
called Leighton,
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right outside of Muscle Shoals.
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I was a little guy
working in the fields,
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chopping cotton, singing to
the older people in the field
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that always said that one day,
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my voice would be heard
all over the world,
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but I never thought
that would happen.
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Percy worked at
the local hospital.
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Sledge: I was a orderly working
with the sick people.
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I'd sing a song for them,
you know, and they'd go to sleep.
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I got such a big kick
out of that, you know,
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and I could see my patient
laying up there,
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smiling, you know,
and feeling better.
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So one day I was invited to sing
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at the Elks Club here in Sheffield.
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And it just so happened Quin lvy,
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who was a disc jockey at WLAY,
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and he heard me sing this song.
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And he loved the melody
and the feel.
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He said, "Percy Sledge,
have you ever been interested
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in cutting a record?"
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I remember the day
I got the call.
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"Will you come do keyboards
on this recording session?
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Be the first recording
this artist has ever done."
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Sledge: When I came into the studio,
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I was shaking like a leaf.
I was scared.
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* When a man loves a woman
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* Can't keep his mind
on nothin' else
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* He'd trade the world
for the good thing he's found
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Every time that he sang the song,
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he had different levels
for different parts of the song.
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And everything had to be
in your wrist.
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Bring the level up and down.
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All I had was a voice,
I didn't know anything
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about no singing, you know.
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Johnson: Somehow, I got one down,
and Percy was on time with me
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with a great vocal.
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* He'd give up all his comforts
404
00:24:29,134 --> 00:24:32,865
* And sleep out in the rain
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* If she said that's the way
it ought to be
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All this was just so new to me
and these guys made me feel like
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hey, man, you can do it,
you got it, you know.
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00:24:44,416 --> 00:24:46,907
I used to call them my family.
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00:24:47,085 --> 00:24:49,576
Donna Thatcher,
all of them, you know.
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My first wonderful experience
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was singing on When a Man
Loves A Woman with Percy Sledge,
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and you never know
when you're making history.
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* Baby, please don't treat me bad
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(phone ringing)
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Hall: Quin called me
one Sunday afternoon
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and said, "Do you know
of a place we can get a deal?"
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00:25:14,112 --> 00:25:15,909
And I said, "I think so,"
and I picked up the phone
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00:25:16,047 --> 00:25:18,208
and called Jerry Wexler
in New York.
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00:25:18,350 --> 00:25:22,810
Jerry Wexler was probably the biggest
record company guru in the world.
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It was a man named Rick Hall
who had a studio in Muscle Shoals.
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I said, "You told me if I heard
something I thought was a big hit
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to call you,
and I'm calling you."
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Play a little bit
of this thing here.
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(music playing)
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00:25:38,336 --> 00:25:40,531
Wexler: And I heard some music
coming from there,
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00:25:40,705 --> 00:25:42,935
and it was fabulous.
427
00:25:43,074 --> 00:25:44,939
What do you think?
428
00:25:45,076 --> 00:25:46,873
We pressed and distributed
the record,
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and that was a big hit.
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* When a man loves a woman
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Hall: That began a great relationship
between Jerry Wexler,
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Atlantic Records,
and Rick Hall.
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And of course, the record's
still one of the most
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classic records in the business.
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* If she's played him for a fool
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00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:09,829
* He's the last one to know
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00:26:09,968 --> 00:26:13,131
Same melody that I sang
when I been in the field.
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I just wails out in the woods
and let the echo come back to me.
439
00:26:18,176 --> 00:26:21,913
* When a man loves a woman
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00:26:23,748 --> 00:26:26,342
* He can do her no wrong
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l, George C. Wallace...
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00:26:28,887 --> 00:26:32,584
Hall: During that era of recording
basically all-black acts,
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00:26:32,757 --> 00:26:34,588
you gotta remember
that George Wallace
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00:26:34,759 --> 00:26:36,226
was standing in
the schoolhouse door
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00:26:36,394 --> 00:26:38,225
at the University of Alabama,
446
00:26:38,396 --> 00:26:40,921
making sure that no black people
came to school there.
447
00:26:41,099 --> 00:26:45,763
And I say segregation now,
segregation tomorrow,
448
00:26:45,937 --> 00:26:47,734
and segregation forever.
449
00:26:51,409 --> 00:26:53,604
Bono: This was a politics
that could not see
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past the color of your skin.
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00:26:59,384 --> 00:27:02,785
It's the kind of thing
that I know people of this era,
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00:27:02,954 --> 00:27:06,185
they wouldn't want to believe
what it used to be.
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00:27:06,324 --> 00:27:09,418
I think of all the times
when we used to take a break
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from the studio
to go out and eat.
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00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:14,494
I was somewhat frightened
from time to time
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00:27:14,633 --> 00:27:18,729
when we'd go and buy dinner
for half a dozen black people.
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00:27:20,672 --> 00:27:24,335
That's where you saw,
like, what are you...
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00:27:24,476 --> 00:27:25,807
What are y'all doing
sitting there?
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00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:31,737
Even though the civil rights movement
was already in effect,
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00:27:31,883 --> 00:27:36,513
it still hadn't dawned on people
that this is the new era.
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00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:38,987
(applause)
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00:27:39,991 --> 00:27:43,825
I have a dream that one day,
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down in Alabama
with its vicious racists,
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one day right there in Alabama,
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little black boys
and black girls
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will be able to join hands
with little white boys
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and white girls
as sisters and brothers.
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00:28:00,078 --> 00:28:01,807
I have a dream today.
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00:28:09,387 --> 00:28:13,448
When I was a young boy,
it was always if I met a white boy,
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I had to say, "This is Mr. Robert
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00:28:18,396 --> 00:28:20,921
or Mr. Jimmy."
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00:28:21,066 --> 00:28:24,229
But in the studio,
we got away from that,
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00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:27,566
it was Jimmy, it was Robert,
it was Clarence, you know.
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00:28:27,706 --> 00:28:30,140
You could go that way.
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00:28:30,308 --> 00:28:31,570
Or something like,
you know...
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Do it one more time.
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00:28:33,378 --> 00:28:36,347
Carter: You just worked together,
you never thought about
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who was white
and who was black.
479
00:28:40,518 --> 00:28:42,315
You thought about
the common thing
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and it was the music.
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Hall: We were color blind.
482
00:28:48,760 --> 00:28:54,323
There was never any situation
that came up in the studio here ever
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00:28:54,499 --> 00:28:55,989
about, "You're black
and I'm white."
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Bono: And you think about the South.
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They didn't believe
that black and white people
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could live together.
487
00:29:02,107 --> 00:29:05,508
And here are vinyl records
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that prove that not only
can they live together,
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00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:11,177
you might not know
who's black and who's white.
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At the time,
this was revolutionary stuff.
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00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:25,896
Carter: Music played a big part
in changing the thoughts of people,
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00:29:26,064 --> 00:29:28,532
especially in the South,
about race.
493
00:29:30,702 --> 00:29:32,761
By us being in Muscle Shoals
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00:29:32,937 --> 00:29:36,703
and putting music together,
495
00:29:36,841 --> 00:29:40,004
I think it went a long ways
to help people understand
496
00:29:40,145 --> 00:29:42,443
that we all were just humans.
497
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:46,250
Hall: My stock went sky-high
with Wexler
498
00:29:46,417 --> 00:29:50,114
after the Percy Sledge single
went number one worldwide,
499
00:29:50,288 --> 00:29:52,916
and he said, "Rick, I've had
a little bit of a dispute
500
00:29:53,091 --> 00:29:55,753
with Jim Stewart at Stax
and he don't want me to cut
501
00:29:55,927 --> 00:29:57,792
any more records over
at his studio."
502
00:29:57,962 --> 00:30:02,262
The welcoming mat for me
at Memphis was cold.
503
00:30:02,433 --> 00:30:04,697
So I got the idea
of calling Rick Hall
504
00:30:04,836 --> 00:30:07,202
and saying, "Hey, can I bring
Wilson Pickett down here
505
00:30:07,338 --> 00:30:10,865
and make some records
with you guys?" Which we did.
506
00:30:11,109 --> 00:30:13,475
(blues music plays)
507
00:30:18,316 --> 00:30:20,284
Pickett: I gets off the plane,
Southern Airlines,
508
00:30:20,451 --> 00:30:25,150
and here, this long, tall white man,
we call 'em peckerwoods.
509
00:30:25,323 --> 00:30:28,781
Hall: I met Wilson Pickett,
picked him up at the airport.
510
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,521
He looked like, to me,
a dangerous man.
511
00:30:33,164 --> 00:30:35,894
Pickett: He walked up like
he'd known me for 500 years.
512
00:30:36,034 --> 00:30:38,559
"Hey, Wilson, come on, come on.
We gonna cut some fucking records."
513
00:30:38,703 --> 00:30:41,263
We gonna really cut some records.
Come on, Wilson, come on."
514
00:30:41,439 --> 00:30:43,430
I said, "Wait, wait." I'm nervous,
you know what I mean?
515
00:30:43,608 --> 00:30:47,066
Now what this white man know
about producing a Wilson Pickett?
516
00:30:49,547 --> 00:30:52,482
And on the way to the studio,
I'd look at him and he'd look at me,
517
00:30:52,650 --> 00:30:54,174
and I could see it in his eyes,
he was thinking,
518
00:30:54,352 --> 00:30:57,253
"What am I doing with this cracker
down here in Alabama?"
519
00:30:58,256 --> 00:31:00,986
We went through the cotton patch,
people still picking cotton.
520
00:31:02,060 --> 00:31:04,324
I said, "Is that what
I think it is?"
521
00:31:05,630 --> 00:31:07,791
"Yeah, Wilson, they're still
picking cotton down here."
522
00:31:07,932 --> 00:31:10,765
You can see his studio
from the cotton patch.
523
00:31:14,472 --> 00:31:17,305
Pickett had a very quick temper.
524
00:31:17,475 --> 00:31:20,638
I was there to make it work, period.
You know what I mean?
525
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,443
Hall: On session, if he didn't
like what was going on
526
00:31:24,582 --> 00:31:26,015
and didn't like the attitude,
527
00:31:26,184 --> 00:31:28,311
he was just liable
to whip the drummer.
528
00:31:28,486 --> 00:31:30,681
Say, "Come out, son,
I'm gonna beat your ass."
529
00:31:30,855 --> 00:31:33,688
I was nervous,
I was sitting behind the drums
530
00:31:33,858 --> 00:31:36,418
and I was getting things together,
like drummers do,
531
00:31:36,561 --> 00:31:38,051
and checking things.
532
00:31:38,229 --> 00:31:40,163
Johnson: Our band was super nervous
533
00:31:40,298 --> 00:31:42,528
the first time we worked
for Jerry Wexler.
534
00:31:42,700 --> 00:31:45,168
We had this feeling that
if we couldn't play
535
00:31:45,303 --> 00:31:48,761
what he asked us to play,
we'd probably be fired on the spot.
536
00:31:48,907 --> 00:31:51,239
Wexler: I was apprehensive,
very leery,
537
00:31:51,409 --> 00:31:53,639
because it was entirely different
538
00:31:53,778 --> 00:31:56,804
from what we had been
doing in New York,
539
00:31:56,948 --> 00:32:00,008
which was recording
with written arrangements,
540
00:32:00,151 --> 00:32:03,609
arrangers, and studio players
who read the charts.
541
00:32:03,755 --> 00:32:05,814
Pickett: We would get
in the studio and add
542
00:32:05,957 --> 00:32:07,618
a little bit of this,
a little bit of that,
543
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:10,227
and then we'll go to lunch,
come back, and we didn't like that,
544
00:32:10,395 --> 00:32:12,454
take it away, you know,
that kind of stuff.
545
00:32:12,597 --> 00:32:15,191
We would sit there and we'd
make that record together.
546
00:32:20,138 --> 00:32:22,003
Those guys are sitting there
in that studio,
547
00:32:22,140 --> 00:32:24,199
and just find the groove,
you know?
548
00:32:24,342 --> 00:32:26,071
And I'd be right there
with them, singing along
549
00:32:26,244 --> 00:32:28,405
and we'd all
work it out together.
550
00:32:28,579 --> 00:32:31,571
Rick Hall, he stuck there
every minute.
551
00:32:31,749 --> 00:32:34,582
Rick Hall was his own engineer.
He built the studio.
552
00:32:34,752 --> 00:32:38,279
He knew all the electric wiring
in there.
553
00:32:38,456 --> 00:32:40,219
And that drummer they had
was fantastic.
554
00:32:40,358 --> 00:32:43,259
He was a funky drummer,
but he wasn't wearing himself out
555
00:32:43,428 --> 00:32:46,761
all over the place, you know?
He was just... he was just there.
556
00:32:50,969 --> 00:32:53,767
We was cooking away on the thing
and Wexler was in the control room.
557
00:32:53,938 --> 00:32:57,669
He said, "Baby, it's working.
Hey, baby, it's funky."
558
00:32:57,809 --> 00:33:00,300
(laughing)
559
00:33:04,215 --> 00:33:09,243
Rick Hall had a rhythm section
of exceptional players.
560
00:33:14,692 --> 00:33:16,785
This was very inspirational to me.
561
00:33:17,628 --> 00:33:20,461
Johnson: Jerry came out
at the end of the first day,
562
00:33:20,631 --> 00:33:24,067
we had just cut
Land of 1,000 Dances,
563
00:33:24,202 --> 00:33:26,466
and he walks out
in front of Roger,
564
00:33:26,637 --> 00:33:31,233
and Roger's ears had never heard
anything like this.
565
00:33:31,376 --> 00:33:33,776
Hawkins: He said, "Roger."
I said, "Yes, sir?"
566
00:33:33,945 --> 00:33:37,574
He said, "Roger,
you're a great drummer."
567
00:33:37,715 --> 00:33:39,148
And all of a sudden, it just...
568
00:33:39,317 --> 00:33:43,185
I just kind of relaxed
and became a great drummer,
569
00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:45,788
just like he said I was.
570
00:33:47,158 --> 00:33:49,490
Pickett: After my first night
in that studio with them,
571
00:33:49,660 --> 00:33:52,993
I was convinced that that could
be a recording home for me.
572
00:33:53,164 --> 00:33:55,462
* Mustang Sally
573
00:33:56,334 --> 00:34:00,100
We cut Mustang Sally
all the Funky Broadway,
574
00:34:00,238 --> 00:34:03,469
The Land of 1,000 Whole Dances.
575
00:34:03,641 --> 00:34:06,667
Boy, these... chewin' the...
"How do you like that, Wilson?"
576
00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:11,106
Pickett and I were
soul brothers, we were.
577
00:34:11,249 --> 00:34:15,151
We was nitty gritty.
Right down in the cold nitty gritty.
578
00:34:16,220 --> 00:34:20,156
* Oh, guess I have to put
your flat feet on the ground now
579
00:34:20,291 --> 00:34:24,455
Everything was just roses
with me with Jerry Wexler.
580
00:34:24,595 --> 00:34:27,325
Jerry took a liking to us from the very
beginning.
581
00:34:28,699 --> 00:34:31,463
* All you wanna do
is ride around, Sally
582
00:34:31,602 --> 00:34:33,536
Wexler: There's just something
that leaps out of a record,
583
00:34:33,704 --> 00:34:35,831
I call it the sonority
of the record.
584
00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:42,144
It's the way the sound of the record
impacts on the ear, instantly.
585
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,044
And to me, that's the magic
ingredient in a phonograph record.
586
00:34:45,216 --> 00:34:50,381
* Oh, I got to put
your flat feet on the ground
587
00:34:50,555 --> 00:34:53,183
The Rolling Stones had it,
the Beatles had it,
588
00:34:53,324 --> 00:34:56,851
and they had it,
and so from then on,
589
00:34:57,028 --> 00:35:01,021
Muscle Shoals became the place that
I preferred to go and loved to go.
590
00:35:02,433 --> 00:35:05,425
* Ride, Sally, ride
591
00:35:09,307 --> 00:35:11,571
Hawkins: I grew up north of Florence.
592
00:35:14,445 --> 00:35:16,345
It really wasn't a town,
593
00:35:16,481 --> 00:35:18,415
just a dirt road.
594
00:35:21,519 --> 00:35:23,282
The only way to get
to Florence, at that time,
595
00:35:23,454 --> 00:35:24,853
we had no car.
596
00:35:24,989 --> 00:35:27,116
My mom and I would walk
597
00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:30,283
from the dirt road
down to the highway
598
00:35:30,461 --> 00:35:33,089
to catch a bus
to go into Florence,
599
00:35:33,264 --> 00:35:36,700
which was five miles away.
600
00:35:36,834 --> 00:35:38,699
I was born in Sheffield, Alabama,
601
00:35:38,836 --> 00:35:40,701
and graduated from
Sheffield High School.
602
00:35:42,306 --> 00:35:46,208
While in high school, I would see
Hollis Dixon and the Keynotes.
603
00:35:46,344 --> 00:35:48,539
Was the first rock 'n' roll
band around here,
604
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:50,146
and I just fell in love with that.
605
00:35:50,314 --> 00:35:52,111
I thought, "I've got to learn
how to do that."
606
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,845
Beckett: You got Roger Hawkins
in a group called The Del Rays.
607
00:35:58,990 --> 00:36:00,787
Jimmy Johnson was playing guitar.
608
00:36:00,958 --> 00:36:02,255
I remember hearing
the Del Rays
609
00:36:02,393 --> 00:36:04,554
when I was going to
the University of Alabama.
610
00:36:04,695 --> 00:36:08,096
And I remember, I could not
get into the fraternity house.
611
00:36:08,232 --> 00:36:10,029
So I had to stay outside
and listen to it.
612
00:36:10,168 --> 00:36:14,434
The ground was rumbling, okay?
It was such a great band.
613
00:36:16,140 --> 00:36:19,075
Johnson: We met each other
when we started playing
614
00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:21,872
at the Tuscumbia National Guard
Armory at the square dance.
615
00:36:23,681 --> 00:36:25,512
Half the night
was rock 'n' roll,
616
00:36:25,683 --> 00:36:29,585
and then after that
it was all square dance.
617
00:36:29,720 --> 00:36:32,154
We made $10 each for that.
618
00:36:39,430 --> 00:36:44,629
After Wilson Pickett, I became
Jerry's right hand man.
619
00:36:44,802 --> 00:36:48,363
And so he said, "I'm thinking
about signing a new act,
620
00:36:48,539 --> 00:36:49,904
her name is Aretha Franklin.
621
00:36:50,041 --> 00:36:52,009
She's on CBS Records
and it's not happening,
622
00:36:52,176 --> 00:36:54,144
they can't sell records on her.
623
00:36:54,378 --> 00:37:01,307
* I'm only one step
ahead of heartbreak
624
00:37:01,452 --> 00:37:04,683
I had heard her real smooth
records on Columbia.
625
00:37:04,855 --> 00:37:07,187
You couldn't really
get your teeth into 'em.
626
00:37:07,358 --> 00:37:11,852
* One step is all I have to take
627
00:37:12,029 --> 00:37:14,361
These lush arrangements
that she was doing at CBS,
628
00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:16,625
which weren't successful either.
629
00:37:16,767 --> 00:37:19,497
No one knew what to do.
She had this great voice,
630
00:37:19,637 --> 00:37:21,935
but lots of people
have a great voice.
631
00:37:22,073 --> 00:37:25,702
I've still got to find out
who and what I really am.
632
00:37:25,876 --> 00:37:27,844
I don't know yet.
633
00:37:28,012 --> 00:37:30,105
I'm trying to find the answer.
634
00:37:30,248 --> 00:37:31,943
Wexler: I wasn't exactly hoping
that she wouldn't have
635
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:34,347
any hits on Columbia Records.
636
00:37:34,485 --> 00:37:37,215
But the way it went, they
dropped her after five years.
637
00:37:37,388 --> 00:37:39,151
A week later we were in
my office in New York,
638
00:37:39,290 --> 00:37:40,814
we signed her up.
639
00:37:40,958 --> 00:37:43,256
He said, "You know, I've got
this great little studio
640
00:37:43,427 --> 00:37:46,828
down in Muscle Shoals,
and these cats...
641
00:37:46,964 --> 00:37:50,195
These cats are really greasy.
You gonna love it."
642
00:37:53,571 --> 00:37:54,595
Penn: She walks in.
643
00:37:55,473 --> 00:37:56,531
Right over there.
644
00:37:59,076 --> 00:38:02,807
And she's got this aura
around her, pretty thick.
645
00:38:02,947 --> 00:38:05,609
I mean, the girl was special.
646
00:38:07,285 --> 00:38:11,244
I remember watching the guys
being good southern boys,
647
00:38:11,422 --> 00:38:15,051
They'd carry on with anything
except looking or dealing with her.
648
00:38:18,229 --> 00:38:21,164
So she walked right over
to the piano.
649
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:22,459
She sat there a moment.
650
00:38:24,502 --> 00:38:27,903
And then she just hit this
unknown chord, I would say.
651
00:38:31,142 --> 00:38:33,770
Didn't anybody have to say,
"We're about to cut."
652
00:38:35,546 --> 00:38:38,413
Franklin: We did what we called
head sessions at that time,
653
00:38:38,549 --> 00:38:42,110
and there was no real music
written for it.
654
00:38:42,286 --> 00:38:45,449
The musicians would just listen
to what it was I was doing,
655
00:38:45,623 --> 00:38:50,390
and then they would decide what
they were going to do around that.
656
00:38:50,528 --> 00:38:53,463
I think we heard a little demo of this song,
657
00:38:53,631 --> 00:38:55,394
Never Loved a Man
the Way I Love You.
658
00:38:55,533 --> 00:38:58,661
Penn: To me it sounded
pretty much like junk.
659
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:00,963
I'm thinking, "That's the song
they going to cut?"
660
00:39:01,939 --> 00:39:04,874
There was discussions.
Jerry Wexler and Rick.
661
00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,773
There was a little confusion
and there was a little turmoil.
662
00:39:07,945 --> 00:39:10,413
Everybody was a little uptight.
663
00:39:10,548 --> 00:39:14,211
We can't find a groove, a beat,
a place to start.
664
00:39:14,885 --> 00:39:17,251
Penn: They were, just had
all these gears working,
665
00:39:17,388 --> 00:39:19,447
but finally it just came to a...
666
00:39:19,590 --> 00:39:21,217
(makes noise)
667
00:39:22,660 --> 00:39:24,787
And suddenly
it was really quiet.
668
00:39:26,330 --> 00:39:28,890
They had a song, they had an artist,
but nobody knew what to do.
669
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:32,901
Not even all these geniuses.
670
00:39:33,037 --> 00:39:35,232
But out of that quietness
came Spooner with...
671
00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:38,706
(keyboard music)
672
00:39:40,244 --> 00:39:42,303
And I said,
"Hey, Spooner's got it!
673
00:39:42,446 --> 00:39:44,849
That's it."
Aretha jumped right on it.
674
00:39:46,150 --> 00:39:50,553
* You're a no good heartbreaker
675
00:39:50,721 --> 00:39:53,781
* You're a liar and you're a cheat
676
00:39:53,924 --> 00:39:56,722
It was cut within
15 to 20 minutes.
677
00:39:56,894 --> 00:39:59,089
You didn't have to ask,
"What do you think?"
678
00:39:59,230 --> 00:40:00,663
Everybody knew it was a hit.
679
00:40:00,798 --> 00:40:04,495
I think everything came together
for Aretha in Muscle Shoals.
680
00:40:04,635 --> 00:40:09,129
They got Aretha to record
a much more funky kind of style
681
00:40:09,273 --> 00:40:12,174
in Muscle Shoals.
It was really the essence of her.
682
00:40:13,744 --> 00:40:16,304
* 'Cause I ain't never
683
00:40:16,447 --> 00:40:18,210
* I ain't never
684
00:40:18,382 --> 00:40:21,351
* I ain't never, no, no
685
00:40:21,485 --> 00:40:26,821
* Loved a man the way
that l, I love you
686
00:40:26,957 --> 00:40:29,949
Franklin: Coming to Muscle Shoals
was the turning point.
687
00:40:30,094 --> 00:40:33,063
That's where I recorded
I Never Loved a Man,
688
00:40:33,230 --> 00:40:36,495
which became my first
million-selling record.
689
00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:40,001
So absolutely
it was a milestone
690
00:40:40,137 --> 00:40:42,833
and the turning point
in my career.
691
00:40:44,308 --> 00:40:46,435
* Oh, oh, oh
692
00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:48,305
* Yeah
693
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:50,846
* Yeah
694
00:40:50,981 --> 00:40:52,676
* I ain't never loved a man
695
00:40:52,817 --> 00:40:56,082
We cut I Never Loved a Man,
which people to this day
696
00:40:56,253 --> 00:40:59,984
still regard as being
maybe her most soulful
697
00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:01,853
and really funkiest record.
698
00:41:01,992 --> 00:41:04,017
* Well, this is what
I'm gonna do about it
699
00:41:04,128 --> 00:41:06,790
Woman: That's one of those songs,
700
00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:08,897
the ones that give you the chills,
701
00:41:09,066 --> 00:41:11,261
the ones that give you the goose bumps,
702
00:41:11,435 --> 00:41:12,424
the ones that you're like,
703
00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:15,333
"I wish I sang a record
like that."
704
00:41:18,976 --> 00:41:22,412
We had a whole week planned
to cut tracks, a whole week,
705
00:41:22,546 --> 00:41:24,480
but at the end of the session
706
00:41:24,648 --> 00:41:28,015
we found out
that there was a problem.
707
00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:30,052
There was a ruckus.
708
00:41:30,187 --> 00:41:31,620
One of the horn players,
709
00:41:31,789 --> 00:41:35,452
and Aretha's then husband,
Ted White, got into it.
710
00:41:36,727 --> 00:41:39,594
This new horn player
started saying things like,
711
00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:43,029
"Aretha, baby,"
and it was just enough
712
00:41:43,167 --> 00:41:45,897
that Ted White got offended.
713
00:41:46,036 --> 00:41:48,231
Wexler: They'd been drinking
from the same jug,
714
00:41:48,372 --> 00:41:51,239
and now this camaraderie
and great palship
715
00:41:51,375 --> 00:41:55,471
turned into some kind
of alcoholic hostility.
716
00:41:55,646 --> 00:41:58,581
Hall: Ted comes into the control room
with Wexler and I and says,
717
00:41:58,716 --> 00:42:03,210
"I want the trumpet player fired."
I looked at Wexler and said,
718
00:42:03,354 --> 00:42:06,084
"What do you think?"
He said, "Go fire him."
719
00:42:06,223 --> 00:42:07,690
So I went and fired him.
720
00:42:08,592 --> 00:42:13,120
That later caused a big argument
and caused the session to end.
721
00:42:14,131 --> 00:42:15,530
I got a hold
of the bottle of vodka
722
00:42:15,699 --> 00:42:17,929
and I took a couple...
three drinks of it.
723
00:42:18,068 --> 00:42:20,400
And I said, "Wexler,
I'm going to go over to the hotel
724
00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:25,942
and get with Ted and them
and we'll work this thing out."
725
00:42:26,076 --> 00:42:27,976
He said, "No,
I don't want you to go."
726
00:42:28,145 --> 00:42:30,306
And I said, "Yeah, well, I'm
not going to start any trouble,"
727
00:42:30,481 --> 00:42:31,846
I said, "I'll go over
and work it out.
728
00:42:32,016 --> 00:42:34,849
We'll become buddies
and I'll work everything out."
729
00:42:35,019 --> 00:42:37,180
He said, "No, Rick, don't go,
please don't go."
730
00:42:39,156 --> 00:42:41,624
So anyhow, I had had
a couple more drinks
731
00:42:41,759 --> 00:42:43,488
and I went over then.
732
00:42:49,934 --> 00:42:53,267
Banged on Ted and Aretha's door
and Ted came to the door.
733
00:42:53,404 --> 00:42:55,838
And he started pointing his finger
in my face and so forth.
734
00:42:55,973 --> 00:42:57,964
And we fought
and fought and fought.
735
00:42:58,108 --> 00:42:59,803
He was trying to throw me
over the balcony
736
00:42:59,944 --> 00:43:01,707
and I was trying to throw him.
It was downtown,
737
00:43:01,879 --> 00:43:03,710
and we was up on about
the fourth floor.
738
00:43:07,051 --> 00:43:11,112
Franklin: My former husband
never came back that night
739
00:43:11,255 --> 00:43:13,746
and I decided
that I was leaving.
740
00:43:13,924 --> 00:43:16,051
I had never been
to Muscle Shoals before,
741
00:43:16,226 --> 00:43:18,558
or away from home,
really, by myself.
742
00:43:18,729 --> 00:43:20,697
And so I just said,
"I'm going to the airport."
743
00:43:20,831 --> 00:43:24,699
And when I got to the airport,
I saw him with the bell captain.
744
00:43:24,835 --> 00:43:29,033
I said, "Whoa, this son of a gun
was going to leave me down here."
745
00:43:29,206 --> 00:43:30,138
Unbelievable.
746
00:43:34,111 --> 00:43:36,671
Hall: They left town
the next day, early.
747
00:43:36,814 --> 00:43:38,907
So Wexler came and said to me,
748
00:43:39,083 --> 00:43:42,348
"I will never set foot in this
studio as long as I live again.
749
00:43:42,486 --> 00:43:44,681
I will bury you."
750
00:43:44,822 --> 00:43:47,017
And I said, "You can't bury me."
He said, "Why can't I?"
751
00:43:47,157 --> 00:43:49,216
I said, "Because you're too old.
752
00:43:49,393 --> 00:43:51,020
I'll be around
after you're gone."
753
00:43:56,233 --> 00:43:59,327
So the next day I showed up
and on the board it says,
754
00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:01,529
"Session Cancelled."
755
00:44:01,672 --> 00:44:05,233
And I thought, "Oh, man,
it's over, we've had it."
756
00:44:06,644 --> 00:44:09,078
But a few days later
Jerry Wexler calls
757
00:44:09,246 --> 00:44:11,373
and asks if we can
go to New York
758
00:44:11,515 --> 00:44:13,176
and finish the album there.
759
00:44:13,984 --> 00:44:15,918
He didn't have
to ask us twice.
760
00:44:20,024 --> 00:44:24,427
On that album was
R-E-S-P-E-C-T, Respect.
761
00:44:25,262 --> 00:44:27,230
* What you want
762
00:44:27,364 --> 00:44:29,423
* Baby, I got it
763
00:44:29,600 --> 00:44:33,058
Hawkins: To be a part of something
like that is unbelievable.
764
00:44:33,203 --> 00:44:35,296
It was milestone stuff.
765
00:44:35,472 --> 00:44:37,770
* Is for a little respect
when you come home
766
00:44:37,908 --> 00:44:40,399
- * Just a little bit
- * Hey, baby
767
00:44:40,544 --> 00:44:42,978
- * When you get home
- * Just a little bit
768
00:44:43,147 --> 00:44:45,911
- * Mister
- * Just a little bit
769
00:44:46,050 --> 00:44:48,450
Hood: The Swampers went on
and recorded with Aretha
770
00:44:48,619 --> 00:44:49,586
on many hit records.
771
00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,154
Franklin: Sweet, Sweet Baby,
Natural Woman,
772
00:44:52,322 --> 00:44:54,415
Think,
The House that Jack Built,
773
00:44:54,558 --> 00:44:57,152
Call Me,
Do Right Woman, Do Right Man,
774
00:44:57,327 --> 00:45:00,319
Chain of Fools,
and so many, many others.
775
00:45:01,832 --> 00:45:03,925
Of course it worked out incredibly.
776
00:45:04,068 --> 00:45:06,229
And it's been one
of the anomalies, I think,
777
00:45:06,370 --> 00:45:10,170
of the era that
Aretha's greatest work
778
00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:12,501
came with a studio full
of Caucasian musicians.
779
00:45:12,676 --> 00:45:13,665
How do you figure it?
780
00:45:13,844 --> 00:45:15,709
This is the Queen of Soul
acknowledged.
781
00:45:15,879 --> 00:45:17,972
Here we have Roger Hawkins,
782
00:45:18,115 --> 00:45:20,049
and David Hood,
Jimmy Johnson,
783
00:45:20,217 --> 00:45:22,708
Barry Beckett,
Spooner Oldham,
784
00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:24,478
coming out with
probably the deepest
785
00:45:24,655 --> 00:45:27,180
and most intense R & B
of the era.
786
00:45:27,357 --> 00:45:31,020
* R-E-S-P-E-C-T,
Find out what it means to me
787
00:45:31,195 --> 00:45:34,995
* R-E-S-P-E-C-T,
take care T-C-B
788
00:45:35,132 --> 00:45:36,793
* Sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me
789
00:45:36,934 --> 00:45:38,026
* A little respect
790
00:45:38,202 --> 00:45:39,635
* Sock it to me, sock it to me,
sock it to me
791
00:45:39,770 --> 00:45:41,829
* Whoa, babe,
a little respect
792
00:45:41,972 --> 00:45:43,030
* Just a little bit
793
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:47,074
* I get tired
Keep on tryin'
794
00:45:47,244 --> 00:45:49,712
* You're running out of fools
and I ain't lyin'
795
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,280
Hall: So after my dispute
with Wexler,
796
00:45:52,416 --> 00:45:55,010
he took Aretha away.
797
00:45:55,152 --> 00:45:58,315
And on my part, I felt like
I really screwed up.
798
00:45:58,455 --> 00:46:03,085
So I went to Chicago
and I spoke to Leonard Chess
799
00:46:03,260 --> 00:46:05,057
'cause he said,
"I wonder what I got to do
800
00:46:05,229 --> 00:46:08,721
to get you to do some sides
for Chess Records."
801
00:46:08,899 --> 00:46:10,025
I said, "Who do you
want me to do?"
802
00:46:10,167 --> 00:46:11,691
He said, "I'd like you
to do Etta James."
803
00:46:17,708 --> 00:46:19,573
When I looked at him,
I says, "God, Rick Hall.
804
00:46:19,743 --> 00:46:22,075
So this is FAME
Recording Studios,
805
00:46:22,246 --> 00:46:25,579
and I'm in Alabama
and now this is going to be,
806
00:46:25,749 --> 00:46:27,649
you know, the real thing here.
I'm going to get
807
00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:31,016
some of this Alabama mud,"
all that kind of stuff.
808
00:46:31,155 --> 00:46:36,218
Hall: Etta James is probably one
of my favorite chicks of all time.
809
00:46:36,393 --> 00:46:40,193
Leonard said, "You know, Rick,
I built my company on her back.
810
00:46:40,330 --> 00:46:44,061
When you think she's singing
as good as she can sing,
811
00:46:44,201 --> 00:46:48,661
if you'll kick her ass
and wind her up,"
812
00:46:48,806 --> 00:46:51,673
he said, "She can rattle
the shingles on this studio."
813
00:46:53,177 --> 00:46:56,806
* You thought
you hadn't found a good girl
814
00:46:56,980 --> 00:47:00,347
* One to love you
and give you the world
815
00:47:00,484 --> 00:47:04,045
Rick Hall was actually
the first white man
816
00:47:04,188 --> 00:47:06,884
that I had seen
that had that kind of soul,
817
00:47:07,024 --> 00:47:11,358
that was an engineer
and was soulful, you know?
818
00:47:11,495 --> 00:47:13,520
Hood: We recorded
a Clarence Carter song.
819
00:47:13,664 --> 00:47:15,791
With Clarence it was,
Tell Daddy,
820
00:47:15,966 --> 00:47:18,457
but with Etta it was,
Tell Mama.
821
00:47:18,635 --> 00:47:22,696
She didn't want to do the song
because I think she had a problem
822
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,001
with somebody
suggesting to her
823
00:47:25,175 --> 00:47:28,235
that she was going to
take care of some man.
824
00:47:28,378 --> 00:47:30,175
I would be so hardheaded
and, you know, just,
825
00:47:30,347 --> 00:47:32,315
"Don't tell me nothing,"
you know?
826
00:47:32,482 --> 00:47:36,316
Hall: She had a temper like a lion.
827
00:47:36,486 --> 00:47:38,954
I said, "If you'll do it
for an hour, if it's not happening,
828
00:47:39,089 --> 00:47:40,818
we'll garbage it,
we'll throw it in the garbage."
829
00:47:40,991 --> 00:47:45,724
James: I finally realized everything
that he used to badger me about,
830
00:47:45,863 --> 00:47:48,093
he was always right.
831
00:47:48,899 --> 00:47:52,494
* Tell mama all about it
832
00:47:52,669 --> 00:47:56,935
* Tell mama what you need
833
00:47:57,074 --> 00:47:58,632
* Tell mama
834
00:47:58,809 --> 00:48:02,336
And, of course, the record was
to become a big, big hit on her.
835
00:48:02,512 --> 00:48:06,004
Everybody said that that song
raised her from the grave,
836
00:48:06,183 --> 00:48:09,584
you know, and brought her
back to prominence.
837
00:48:09,720 --> 00:48:13,212
Each time a person
went to Muscle Shoals,
838
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:14,982
they came out of there
with a hit record.
839
00:48:15,125 --> 00:48:19,221
You had to know that there was
something magic in Muscle Shoals.
840
00:48:41,919 --> 00:48:43,477
Man: The spirit of Muscle Shoals
841
00:48:43,620 --> 00:48:49,058
permeates not only
the city itself, physically,
842
00:48:50,761 --> 00:48:53,992
but I think the people
who came through there.
843
00:48:56,700 --> 00:48:58,463
The place has a soul.
844
00:48:58,602 --> 00:49:00,729
(piano music)
845
00:49:07,577 --> 00:49:10,341
Hall: W.C. Handy was from
the Muscle Shoals area
846
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:14,507
and everyone that knows
about the blues
847
00:49:14,651 --> 00:49:17,085
is familiar with W.C. Handy.
848
00:49:22,359 --> 00:49:25,590
Jagger: Well, he's one of the great
popularizers of the blues.
849
00:49:25,762 --> 00:49:28,890
Before, it was
a kind of gutbucket music
850
00:49:29,032 --> 00:49:31,296
that didn't have
a lot of respect.
851
00:49:31,468 --> 00:49:35,302
He kind of legitimized
the music.
852
00:49:36,573 --> 00:49:39,406
All the bands were playing
the same thing,
853
00:49:39,576 --> 00:49:41,441
but no one had written it down.
854
00:49:41,611 --> 00:49:45,047
Well, he was the first one
to write it down.
855
00:49:45,182 --> 00:49:47,150
That made him
the Father of the Blues,
856
00:49:47,317 --> 00:49:49,080
and made this area famous.
857
00:49:53,156 --> 00:49:56,592
Hall: Sam Phillips was also
from the Muscle Shoals area.
858
00:49:56,760 --> 00:50:00,252
And Sam was kind of my tutor
and I kind of looked upon him
859
00:50:00,397 --> 00:50:03,332
as being the guy
I wanted to be.
860
00:50:06,003 --> 00:50:07,470
Bono: Sam Phillips
came out of there.
861
00:50:07,637 --> 00:50:09,867
I mean, didn't he invent
rock and roll or something?
862
00:50:10,007 --> 00:50:13,238
Man: My dad, Sam Phillips,
was the first to record Elvis,
863
00:50:13,377 --> 00:50:17,871
Johnny Cash, Jerry Lee Lewis,
Carl Perkins, Roy Orbison.
864
00:50:18,015 --> 00:50:19,539
But a lot of people don't realize
865
00:50:19,683 --> 00:50:21,708
that he only worked
specifically with black artists
866
00:50:21,852 --> 00:50:23,479
in the very beginning.
867
00:50:23,653 --> 00:50:26,178
Well, the basic feeling I had
for black artists
868
00:50:26,356 --> 00:50:28,984
of course originated
when I was very young
869
00:50:29,159 --> 00:50:30,820
on a farm in Alabama.
870
00:50:32,062 --> 00:50:35,930
I felt a certain spirituality
about the black man's music.
871
00:50:36,066 --> 00:50:38,091
And hearing it
in the cotton fields,
872
00:50:38,235 --> 00:50:42,137
that made one hell
of an impression on me.
873
00:50:43,206 --> 00:50:46,505
Man: Mr. Phillips heard people
singing in the fields
874
00:50:46,676 --> 00:50:49,008
and heard trains rumbling through
875
00:50:49,179 --> 00:50:51,170
and the river
roaring around the bend
876
00:50:51,348 --> 00:50:53,111
down here in the shoals.
877
00:50:53,250 --> 00:50:56,777
It's a subconscious rhythm
that gets in your head.
878
00:50:56,920 --> 00:50:58,820
There's like a groove,
there's a pocket
879
00:50:58,989 --> 00:51:01,924
that sticks in your gut.
880
00:51:02,059 --> 00:51:03,390
It's connected all of us.
881
00:51:08,231 --> 00:51:11,598
Carter: Helen Keller
was from Muscle Shoals,
882
00:51:11,735 --> 00:51:14,329
and it was just
always amazing to me
883
00:51:14,471 --> 00:51:19,966
the things she was able
to accomplish being blind and deaf.
884
00:51:23,246 --> 00:51:26,477
White: Helen Keller was deaf,
completely mute,
885
00:51:26,616 --> 00:51:28,345
completely blind.
886
00:51:28,485 --> 00:51:30,646
And her only way of
communicating with the world
887
00:51:30,787 --> 00:51:33,085
is with gestures.
888
00:51:34,858 --> 00:51:37,986
You can still go to her house
and see the well
889
00:51:38,128 --> 00:51:40,892
where she learned
her first word,
890
00:51:41,064 --> 00:51:42,326
which was "water."
891
00:51:43,433 --> 00:51:45,731
Keys: There's obviously
an incredible connection
892
00:51:45,902 --> 00:51:48,234
to water here.
893
00:51:48,405 --> 00:51:51,670
So you can see why
that would be the first word
894
00:51:51,808 --> 00:51:55,801
that Helen Keller learned, "water."
895
00:51:55,946 --> 00:52:00,349
There's such a power
in this place,
896
00:52:00,484 --> 00:52:04,887
and you feel it whether you can
hear it and see it or not.
897
00:52:17,734 --> 00:52:20,202
I'm a great believer
that landscape
898
00:52:20,337 --> 00:52:24,603
is always very important
in music,
899
00:52:24,774 --> 00:52:27,937
and somehow music
can reflect landscapes.
900
00:52:29,813 --> 00:52:35,046
* Something told me
it was over
901
00:52:36,353 --> 00:52:38,913
* Yeah
902
00:52:39,089 --> 00:52:43,389
* When I saw
you and her talking
903
00:52:43,527 --> 00:52:47,088
People ask me always,
"What is the Muscle Shoals sound?"
904
00:52:47,230 --> 00:52:48,959
Carter: You had a lot
of black musicians
905
00:52:49,132 --> 00:52:51,259
playing with a lot
of white musicians,
906
00:52:51,401 --> 00:52:53,232
and we all got
a different way of playing,
907
00:52:53,370 --> 00:52:55,395
but it blends
so well together.
908
00:52:55,539 --> 00:52:58,508
There was this coming together
of styles.
909
00:52:58,675 --> 00:53:00,973
Oldham: And there was some
hillbilly background there,
910
00:53:01,144 --> 00:53:02,873
there's some black music.
911
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:06,449
We were open minded
to be any genre.
912
00:53:07,684 --> 00:53:09,618
* Ooh
913
00:53:09,786 --> 00:53:13,984
* I would rather, I would rather
go blind, boy
914
00:53:18,562 --> 00:53:23,261
* Than to see you
walk away from me, child
915
00:53:25,368 --> 00:53:26,596
* Hoo
916
00:53:26,736 --> 00:53:28,203
Hood: The Muscle Shoals sound,
I think,
917
00:53:28,371 --> 00:53:33,331
has a very heavy bass and drum
featured in the sound.
918
00:53:33,510 --> 00:53:36,343
And it just, that was
what sounded right to us.
919
00:53:36,513 --> 00:53:38,344
"Turn up the bass,
turn up the drums."
920
00:53:38,515 --> 00:53:42,178
Bono: This was, at the time,
cutting edge technology.
921
00:53:42,352 --> 00:53:45,981
The fact that a drum kit
could be close-mic'd
922
00:53:46,156 --> 00:53:48,522
meant that they could
turn up the bass drum.
923
00:53:48,692 --> 00:53:52,628
That's what created that blacker
sound, that African sound,
924
00:53:52,762 --> 00:53:56,220
that allowed you
to be sweet on the topsoil
925
00:53:56,399 --> 00:53:58,367
but knowing that deep down
in the ground
926
00:53:58,535 --> 00:54:00,298
there was some fierceness.
927
00:54:00,437 --> 00:54:01,961
* Ooh
928
00:54:02,105 --> 00:54:05,802
* I was just,
I was just
929
00:54:05,942 --> 00:54:09,241
* I was just
sittin' here thinkin'
930
00:54:09,412 --> 00:54:11,039
* Ooh
931
00:54:11,214 --> 00:54:15,878
* Of your kiss
and your warm embrace, yeah
932
00:54:16,052 --> 00:54:18,885
Hall: Woo, come on, there.
933
00:54:19,055 --> 00:54:21,387
(horn honking)
934
00:54:21,558 --> 00:54:23,788
Woo! Woo!
935
00:54:28,765 --> 00:54:30,255
Hall: When I was a young boy,
936
00:54:30,433 --> 00:54:32,526
my mother was washing clothes
937
00:54:32,669 --> 00:54:36,196
out in the yard
with a wash pot.
938
00:54:36,339 --> 00:54:40,571
And the pot had
boiling hot water in it.
939
00:54:40,744 --> 00:54:43,042
My brother,
who was three years old,
940
00:54:43,213 --> 00:54:46,273
was playing in the backyard
with my first cousin,
941
00:54:46,449 --> 00:54:48,747
and they were
pulling on a stick.
942
00:54:48,918 --> 00:54:50,283
My brother ran backwards
943
00:54:50,453 --> 00:54:52,819
and fell into the pot
of scalding water.
944
00:54:56,526 --> 00:54:58,858
So my mother took him
in her arms
945
00:54:58,995 --> 00:55:00,895
and went screaming
across the field
946
00:55:01,064 --> 00:55:02,861
hunting my father.
947
00:55:02,999 --> 00:55:06,230
He came running
and they took him to the doctor
948
00:55:06,369 --> 00:55:09,065
in Red Bay, Alabama.
949
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:10,866
And they took his clothes off
950
00:55:11,007 --> 00:55:15,273
and all of his skin
came off inside of his clothes.
951
00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:21,282
He died three days later.
952
00:55:24,621 --> 00:55:26,418
That was the start
of the decline
953
00:55:26,556 --> 00:55:30,014
between my father's
and my mother's relationship.
954
00:55:33,096 --> 00:55:36,065
He kind of blamed her
for the accident,
955
00:55:36,199 --> 00:55:39,134
and she probably blamed him
for not being at home.
956
00:55:42,372 --> 00:55:44,306
She left us and said,
957
00:55:44,474 --> 00:55:47,807
"I'll never live with you again,"
and, "Forget about me."
958
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:56,748
She moved in with Aunt Ess
who ran a red-light district.
959
00:56:00,290 --> 00:56:05,318
So my father asked people
what she was doing up here.
960
00:56:05,495 --> 00:56:08,760
And they said,
"Well, Herman,
961
00:56:08,898 --> 00:56:12,595
you know what
the other girls are doing?"
962
00:56:12,736 --> 00:56:14,829
And he said, "Yes, I do."
963
00:56:15,004 --> 00:56:19,532
And they said,
"Dolly is doing the same thing."
964
00:56:23,246 --> 00:56:25,373
It was earth-shattering for me.
965
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,314
Even after all these years
and being away from her
966
00:56:33,456 --> 00:56:37,654
and not spending much time
with her in my life,
967
00:56:37,794 --> 00:56:40,820
not a day goes by that I don't
really miss my mother.
968
00:56:50,473 --> 00:56:51,872
More acoustic guitar.
969
00:57:00,016 --> 00:57:02,541
* I ain't easy to love
970
00:57:05,655 --> 00:57:08,647
* Scars have made me
black and blue
971
00:57:12,195 --> 00:57:14,595
* But I feel
a lot less broken
972
00:57:14,764 --> 00:57:16,197
Okay, all right, hold on.
973
00:57:16,366 --> 00:57:18,334
There's too much happening.
974
00:57:18,468 --> 00:57:20,732
I just need the intro and
everybody needs to cool it
975
00:57:20,904 --> 00:57:22,599
a little bit and back off.
976
00:57:22,772 --> 00:57:24,330
If everybody comes in
from the top,
977
00:57:24,474 --> 00:57:25,998
where are you going to
go from there?
978
00:57:26,142 --> 00:57:28,702
If you get a chance or two
to cut a record,
979
00:57:28,845 --> 00:57:30,676
produce a record and
get a budget to do it with
980
00:57:30,814 --> 00:57:34,250
and you don't have a hit,
you will never get another call.
981
00:57:34,417 --> 00:57:41,050
So I was always aware of that.
I always felt that every record,
982
00:57:41,224 --> 00:57:43,055
my life depended on it.
983
00:57:43,226 --> 00:57:46,718
Time is like, "time." It's like
you're whispering that part.
984
00:57:46,863 --> 00:57:49,696
All right. You know,
I can always do mine over.
985
00:57:49,833 --> 00:57:51,698
I know we can, honey,
but I like to do it this way.
986
00:57:51,835 --> 00:57:54,326
- All right.
- Staton: Rick is so meticulous.
987
00:57:54,471 --> 00:57:58,635
Oh, it's just a joy and pain
to work with Rick.
988
00:57:58,808 --> 00:58:02,335
'Cause he won't stop
until he gets what he wants.
989
00:58:02,479 --> 00:58:05,414
If it takes three days
on one song,
990
00:58:05,548 --> 00:58:07,015
Rick's going to get
what he wants.
991
00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:08,879
We're doing just what we just
got through doing.
992
00:58:09,018 --> 00:58:11,543
We're doing the same thing
over again,
993
00:58:11,688 --> 00:58:14,555
and I just want to perfect it
a little better.
994
00:58:14,691 --> 00:58:16,659
We've changed a couple
of things, so you got to listen.
995
00:58:16,826 --> 00:58:19,386
Hood: Rick was
a very demanding boss.
996
00:58:19,529 --> 00:58:24,728
He would take a thousand takes
of something till he was satisfied.
997
00:58:24,868 --> 00:58:28,099
And sometimes he would not know
what he was looking for,
998
00:58:28,271 --> 00:58:30,262
but he would keep working
until he got it.
999
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:32,032
Hall: I'm talking about...
it's too bright.
1000
00:58:32,175 --> 00:58:34,143
Oh, okay, I thought you were...
wanted it bright.
1001
00:58:34,310 --> 00:58:36,107
Well, I did want it bright
until I heard it.
1002
00:58:36,279 --> 00:58:38,372
When you hear it with the track
it's a whole different thing.
1003
00:58:38,515 --> 00:58:39,982
You got to listen to it
in perspective.
1004
00:58:40,149 --> 00:58:42,583
That was very frustrating
and hard on the musicians
1005
00:58:42,719 --> 00:58:44,619
because you think,
"Well, I already did that."
1006
00:58:44,754 --> 00:58:47,052
Nobody ever worked
in the music business
1007
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,454
without getting their ass kicked.
1008
00:58:49,592 --> 00:58:51,150
If they did,
they're on the street somewhere
1009
00:58:51,327 --> 00:58:54,160
pushing a wheelbarrow of concrete.
1010
00:58:54,330 --> 00:58:56,457
Boyce: He was kind of like
a task master,
1011
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:57,793
and I don't fault him for that
1012
00:58:57,934 --> 00:59:01,870
because he is
an imperfect perfectionist.
1013
00:59:02,038 --> 00:59:03,403
That's what made him
great, though.
1014
00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:07,175
* Oh, please forgive me, darlin'
1015
00:59:10,046 --> 00:59:14,346
* I ain't easy to love
1016
00:59:16,185 --> 00:59:19,882
(guitar music)
1017
00:59:25,762 --> 00:59:27,821
Hall: Duane Allman, of course,
came into Muscle Shoals
1018
00:59:27,964 --> 00:59:29,488
and wanted a gig.
1019
00:59:29,632 --> 00:59:31,862
So he put up his pup tent
on my parking lot
1020
00:59:32,035 --> 00:59:36,096
at the studio and found me.
I gave him his shot.
1021
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:37,570
Hood: When Duane showed up,
1022
00:59:37,740 --> 00:59:39,537
he was probably
one of the first guys
1023
00:59:39,709 --> 00:59:42,041
with long hair
and kind of the hippie look,
1024
00:59:42,211 --> 00:59:43,678
but what really
made him stand out
1025
00:59:43,813 --> 00:59:45,804
was he was
a wonderful guitar player.
1026
00:59:55,992 --> 00:59:58,187
Hall: I had never heard
a slide guitar
1027
00:59:58,361 --> 00:59:59,885
played like Duane Allman
could play it.
1028
01:00:02,732 --> 01:00:04,563
Hood: Duane had been
in Los Angeles,
1029
01:00:04,734 --> 01:00:08,397
had a group called The Hourglass
with his brother Gregg.
1030
01:00:08,571 --> 01:00:10,766
Man: They signed us
on this big contract,
1031
01:00:10,940 --> 01:00:13,067
and they wouldn't let us play anywhere.
1032
01:00:13,242 --> 01:00:16,143
I think the first year we were there
we played like three concerts.
1033
01:00:16,279 --> 01:00:18,042
So he finally said,
"Hey, I've had it with this place.
1034
01:00:18,214 --> 01:00:19,875
I'm leaving."
1035
01:00:20,016 --> 01:00:22,610
And he wound up
in Muscle Shoals.
1036
01:00:22,785 --> 01:00:25,481
But right before he left,
1037
01:00:25,622 --> 01:00:27,590
I talked him into going
horseback riding with me
1038
01:00:27,757 --> 01:00:29,054
'cause we weren't
doing anything.
1039
01:00:29,225 --> 01:00:30,624
Finally went out there
and I said,
1040
01:00:30,793 --> 01:00:33,523
"Listen, we go from
the barn out to the field.
1041
01:00:33,663 --> 01:00:36,223
We got to cross a paved road."
1042
01:00:36,399 --> 01:00:38,594
I said, "The horse is shod."
He says, "What?"
1043
01:00:38,768 --> 01:00:40,429
"It's got shoes on,
you know?
1044
01:00:40,603 --> 01:00:43,333
And if he slips,
he'll bust both of your butts,
1045
01:00:43,473 --> 01:00:47,341
so don't give him any reins."
And guess what happened?
1046
01:00:47,477 --> 01:00:49,911
And he hit right here.
1047
01:00:50,046 --> 01:00:51,775
He couldn't play.
1048
01:00:51,948 --> 01:00:54,109
And he wouldn't let me
in his house for about six weeks.
1049
01:00:54,283 --> 01:00:55,978
And, I mean, that was...
that was terrible
1050
01:00:56,152 --> 01:00:58,450
'cause, I mean, you know,
growing up without a father,
1051
01:00:58,621 --> 01:01:00,885
he was somewhat
of a father figure to me
1052
01:01:01,024 --> 01:01:04,221
even though he was only
a year and 18 days older.
1053
01:01:04,360 --> 01:01:06,885
So it came his birthday,
November the 20th,
1054
01:01:07,030 --> 01:01:10,090
and I went out and bought
the first Taj Mahal record
1055
01:01:10,266 --> 01:01:12,598
and a bottle of Coricidin pills.
1056
01:01:12,735 --> 01:01:15,465
He had this cold
and he had his arm in a sling.
1057
01:01:15,638 --> 01:01:17,367
He was pissed off
at the world,
1058
01:01:17,507 --> 01:01:19,668
and I did what I could do.
1059
01:01:19,842 --> 01:01:21,104
I put it down
in front of his door,
1060
01:01:21,277 --> 01:01:22,642
I had it wrapped up
and everything.
1061
01:01:22,812 --> 01:01:24,746
And I knocked on the door
and ran.
1062
01:01:24,881 --> 01:01:27,281
(blues guitar)
1063
01:01:32,021 --> 01:01:34,455
I guess about
two and a half hours later
1064
01:01:34,624 --> 01:01:36,649
my phone rings and it's him.
1065
01:01:36,826 --> 01:01:39,590
He says, "Get over here,
baybrah, quick!"
1066
01:01:39,729 --> 01:01:45,031
And "baybrah," he called me that,
"baby brother,"
1067
01:01:45,201 --> 01:01:48,170
endearing handle
he had for me.
1068
01:01:51,074 --> 01:01:53,167
He said, "Man, check this out."
1069
01:01:53,342 --> 01:01:55,105
He had been listening
to Jesse Ed Davis
1070
01:01:55,244 --> 01:01:57,712
play Taj Mahal
and he's playing slide.
1071
01:02:04,120 --> 01:02:06,315
He said, "Man, I dumped out
all them pills,
1072
01:02:06,489 --> 01:02:09,014
and I washed the label
off the bottle."
1073
01:02:09,192 --> 01:02:11,786
He said, "Check this out."
He's got his hand still in the sling
1074
01:02:11,928 --> 01:02:14,328
and he's going... you know,
1075
01:02:14,497 --> 01:02:18,024
and he's just already
killing it, you know?
1076
01:02:25,675 --> 01:02:29,202
I've still got that bottle,
by the way, somehow.
1077
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:32,272
Hood: When Duane came here,
1078
01:02:32,415 --> 01:02:35,475
he was on the Wilson Pickett session
that we did.
1079
01:02:35,618 --> 01:02:39,145
Johnson: There was always a slight
problem when we would go out,
1080
01:02:39,288 --> 01:02:41,449
all of us white boys
with a black artist,
1081
01:02:41,591 --> 01:02:45,186
that we would get looks, okay?
1082
01:02:45,361 --> 01:02:47,852
But there was nothing
as bad as going out
1083
01:02:47,997 --> 01:02:51,626
with a long-haired hippie
with us white boys.
1084
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:54,862
They couldn't stand that, right?
1085
01:02:55,004 --> 01:02:57,905
And so both of them
stayed back.
1086
01:02:58,074 --> 01:02:59,405
So, they went on lunch break
1087
01:02:59,575 --> 01:03:02,339
and my brother went up
to Wilson and he said,
1088
01:03:02,478 --> 01:03:05,242
"Man, why don't you cut Hey Jude,
1089
01:03:05,414 --> 01:03:06,847
you know, that Beatles song?"
1090
01:03:06,983 --> 01:03:10,248
Pickett: And at that point,
I was mostly trying to create
1091
01:03:10,419 --> 01:03:13,752
an original career
Wilson Pickett, right? My songs.
1092
01:03:13,923 --> 01:03:17,415
Pickett and l, in unison,
both said, "Look, are you crazy?
1093
01:03:17,593 --> 01:03:19,356
We're going to cover the Beatles?"
1094
01:03:20,396 --> 01:03:22,557
And of course Duane said, "Exactly."
1095
01:03:22,732 --> 01:03:26,133
While we were gone,
Duane changed our whole session.
1096
01:03:26,302 --> 01:03:30,864
* Just remember
to let her under your skin
1097
01:03:31,007 --> 01:03:32,406
When you get to the vamp,
1098
01:03:32,575 --> 01:03:37,274
it goes into just
an unbelievable groove.
1099
01:03:37,446 --> 01:03:39,277
* Ow
1100
01:03:39,448 --> 01:03:40,506
* Ah
1101
01:03:40,650 --> 01:03:43,118
* Ahhh
1102
01:03:43,286 --> 01:03:45,914
* Oh oh ooh
1103
01:03:46,055 --> 01:03:48,580
* Hey, Jude
1104
01:03:48,758 --> 01:03:50,623
* Ahh
1105
01:03:50,793 --> 01:03:55,730
Johnson: Duane Allman was playing
such great guitar fills
1106
01:03:55,865 --> 01:03:59,392
that something happened
in that vamp.
1107
01:03:59,535 --> 01:04:02,800
* Ahh, hey
1108
01:04:02,972 --> 01:04:06,430
And all of a sudden,
there was southern rock.
1109
01:04:06,609 --> 01:04:09,100
* Gonna be all right
1110
01:04:11,547 --> 01:04:14,277
That was the beginnings
of The Allman Brother Band.
1111
01:04:16,786 --> 01:04:18,947
Allman: Jaimoe met my brother first.
1112
01:04:19,088 --> 01:04:20,715
The two of them got together.
1113
01:04:20,857 --> 01:04:23,724
Man: When I met Duane,
he had a cabin he lived in
1114
01:04:23,860 --> 01:04:25,794
down on the river
in Muscle Shoals.
1115
01:04:25,928 --> 01:04:29,557
And it was like...
Well, it was a nice place down there.
1116
01:04:30,366 --> 01:04:33,096
Allman: In his spare time,
he would do a lot of fishing.
1117
01:04:33,903 --> 01:04:35,564
Muscle Shoals seemed to be
1118
01:04:35,705 --> 01:04:37,673
the place for him
to be at that time.
1119
01:04:39,175 --> 01:04:40,608
Jaimoe: He would do sessions.
1120
01:04:40,743 --> 01:04:42,142
And I would sit over
with them at practice.
1121
01:04:42,278 --> 01:04:43,745
And when he would
get through the session,
1122
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,041
he'd roll his amplifier over there
1123
01:04:46,215 --> 01:04:48,046
and the two of us would play.
1124
01:04:48,217 --> 01:04:51,186
And then,
when Berry Oakley came down...
1125
01:04:51,354 --> 01:04:52,753
(whistles)
1126
01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:58,225
Boy, the three of us had never
played music like that.
1127
01:04:58,394 --> 01:05:00,988
But that was pretty much
the base of what turned out to be
1128
01:05:01,130 --> 01:05:02,358
The Allman Brothers Band.
1129
01:05:07,770 --> 01:05:10,000
Hall: Duane said, "Well, Rick,
this is the kind of music
1130
01:05:10,139 --> 01:05:11,629
that's coming in,
this is going to be big again.
1131
01:05:11,774 --> 01:05:13,173
The kids are really
liking this stuff."
1132
01:05:13,309 --> 01:05:16,506
And I said, "Yeah, don't breathe
on me, Duane, back off."
1133
01:05:21,417 --> 01:05:24,045
I never believed him
and I told Phil Walden,
1134
01:05:24,220 --> 01:05:26,450
"I don't understand this." They're
sleeping in the studio all day
1135
01:05:26,589 --> 01:05:29,023
under quilts and things,
and I wake up Duane and he says,
1136
01:05:29,158 --> 01:05:31,353
"Man, you know,
the stars and the moon
1137
01:05:31,527 --> 01:05:34,018
are not quite lined up right."
I'm not into all that.
1138
01:05:34,163 --> 01:05:36,154
He said,
"Well, hang in there, man.
1139
01:05:36,299 --> 01:05:38,233
Turn on the machines
and let them run
1140
01:05:38,401 --> 01:05:40,460
and eventually you're gonna
make a billion dollars."
1141
01:05:43,906 --> 01:05:46,101
I said, "I can't do that,
it's not me."
1142
01:05:46,275 --> 01:05:48,675
So I missed the boat
on that one.
1143
01:05:56,452 --> 01:05:58,352
(train whistle blowing)
1144
01:06:04,794 --> 01:06:07,888
(keyboard plays)
1145
01:06:10,433 --> 01:06:11,957
Sledge: Time, old time.
1146
01:06:17,673 --> 01:06:20,665
Things change it, you know.
1147
01:06:20,810 --> 01:06:23,540
I never will forget
when Jimi Hendrix
1148
01:06:23,679 --> 01:06:26,705
played behind me
on Broadway.
1149
01:06:27,483 --> 01:06:30,782
He was playing in the band
with King Curtis, and I told King,
1150
01:06:30,953 --> 01:06:33,581
"I think I'm going to steal
that guitar player you got."
1151
01:06:33,756 --> 01:06:35,724
He said, "Percy Sledge,
that guy there
1152
01:06:35,858 --> 01:06:37,587
is going to be so big
in the next year or two."
1153
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,059
He said, "I can't keep him and you
won't be able to keep him either."
1154
01:06:41,764 --> 01:06:44,858
When Jimi came out
with his style of music,
1155
01:06:45,001 --> 01:06:48,801
well, our style of music
kind of slacked back.
1156
01:06:53,042 --> 01:06:55,340
Time always changes organizations
1157
01:06:55,511 --> 01:06:58,309
and things that
you're doing in life.
1158
01:07:04,253 --> 01:07:09,088
Johnson: Things happened in our world
that changed everything.
1159
01:07:09,225 --> 01:07:11,989
We decided to become entrepreneurs
1160
01:07:12,161 --> 01:07:13,594
and become studio owners.
1161
01:07:13,729 --> 01:07:16,095
So we had to tell Rick,
1162
01:07:16,232 --> 01:07:20,931
who was our mentor and friend
and who had gave us our chance.
1163
01:07:21,070 --> 01:07:23,937
We elected Roger
to go break the news to him.
1164
01:07:24,073 --> 01:07:28,772
Hall: I had gone to L.A. to try to
make a new deal with Capitol Records.
1165
01:07:28,911 --> 01:07:31,675
We made a great deal
and things were really exciting,
1166
01:07:31,847 --> 01:07:35,283
and I came back and had
a meeting with the Swampers.
1167
01:07:35,418 --> 01:07:37,648
We were supposed to come up
and sign the contract
1168
01:07:37,820 --> 01:07:39,287
and be exclusive to Rick.
1169
01:07:39,422 --> 01:07:41,356
Rick's office is upstairs
1170
01:07:41,524 --> 01:07:44,049
and we're just kind of
looking at each other like,
1171
01:07:44,226 --> 01:07:47,218
"Oh, my God,
we got to go up those stairs."
1172
01:07:48,764 --> 01:07:53,394
Up the stairs we go,
knock on the door.
1173
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:56,470
Everybody's quiet.
1174
01:07:56,605 --> 01:07:58,835
I began to tell them
of this great new deal
1175
01:07:59,008 --> 01:08:00,839
we'd made with Capitol.
1176
01:08:01,010 --> 01:08:03,342
I'm looking at them like,
"Come on, guys, help me."
1177
01:08:03,479 --> 01:08:04,878
And they're just like...
1178
01:08:05,047 --> 01:08:06,537
One of the guys
stopped me and said,
1179
01:08:06,715 --> 01:08:08,683
"We've already made a deal
with Jerry Wexler
1180
01:08:08,851 --> 01:08:13,015
and he is going to build us
a studio across town.
1181
01:08:13,155 --> 01:08:15,623
We'll be leaving here,
going with him."
1182
01:08:19,328 --> 01:08:22,491
And when Roger dropped that bomb
in that office,
1183
01:08:22,631 --> 01:08:25,156
we were expecting
a huge explosion.
1184
01:08:27,103 --> 01:08:30,038
I felt like the whole bottom
of my life had fell out.
1185
01:08:31,941 --> 01:08:34,671
It's like we have thrown shit
on his dreams.
1186
01:08:34,810 --> 01:08:36,505
Johnson: Do you remember
what he said?
1187
01:08:36,645 --> 01:08:38,374
He said,
"You're never gonna make it."
1188
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:43,744
It was war.
1189
01:08:43,919 --> 01:08:44,908
Total war.
1190
01:08:55,297 --> 01:08:58,130
Hood: When we bought the studio,
we were very nervous
1191
01:08:58,300 --> 01:09:00,234
about whether or not
we would have any hits.
1192
01:09:00,369 --> 01:09:02,303
And you have to have hits
to keep recording.
1193
01:09:03,172 --> 01:09:06,938
Hawkins: Jerry came to record at
our place, and he brought Cher in,
1194
01:09:07,109 --> 01:09:09,077
and that was our first client.
1195
01:09:09,211 --> 01:09:11,702
Nothing happened,
it wasn't any good.
1196
01:09:13,816 --> 01:09:17,912
Six months went by,
seven months, almost eight months.
1197
01:09:18,087 --> 01:09:21,955
I think we would have killed
for the hit record.
1198
01:09:22,124 --> 01:09:24,752
We always wanted to own a studio
and it was like,
1199
01:09:24,927 --> 01:09:27,157
"What the hell have we done?"
1200
01:09:29,765 --> 01:09:33,292
And then all of a sudden,
the English rock and roll guys
1201
01:09:33,469 --> 01:09:35,699
started wanting to come
to Muscle Shoals.
1202
01:09:35,838 --> 01:09:39,137
When we went to record in Muscle
Shoals, it was a lightning visit.
1203
01:09:39,308 --> 01:09:40,468
We just went in there, set up,
1204
01:09:40,643 --> 01:09:43,612
and, you know, played our stuff
for a couple of days.
1205
01:09:43,779 --> 01:09:47,909
The sound was in my head
before I even got there.
1206
01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:49,142
And then, of course,
1207
01:09:49,318 --> 01:09:52,344
when that actually
lives up to it and beyond,
1208
01:09:52,521 --> 01:09:56,287
you know, then you're in
rock and roll heaven, man.
1209
01:09:56,425 --> 01:09:59,758
* You got to move
1210
01:09:59,895 --> 01:10:03,490
* You got to move
1211
01:10:03,666 --> 01:10:07,261
* You got to move, child
1212
01:10:07,403 --> 01:10:09,803
* You got to move
1213
01:10:11,373 --> 01:10:13,773
* Oh, when the Lord
1214
01:10:14,843 --> 01:10:17,971
* Get ready
1215
01:10:18,147 --> 01:10:20,615
* You got to move
1216
01:10:20,749 --> 01:10:24,344
The first thing we did
was a blues tune, You Got To Move.
1217
01:10:25,454 --> 01:10:28,184
Richards: We're down in Alabama,
you know, in Muscle Shoals,
1218
01:10:28,357 --> 01:10:31,383
we've got to cut
some Fred McDowell stuff.
1219
01:10:31,560 --> 01:10:34,120
If ever I'm going to do it,
it's got to be here, you know,
1220
01:10:34,263 --> 01:10:38,393
and we're probably soaking up
the Indian maiden, too.
1221
01:10:39,401 --> 01:10:42,495
* Get ready
1222
01:10:42,638 --> 01:10:44,765
* You got to move
1223
01:10:45,941 --> 01:10:48,205
We don't come from here,
but we know quite a bit
1224
01:10:48,377 --> 01:10:51,813
about the Deep South.
From here.
1225
01:10:53,582 --> 01:10:55,812
Johnson: Their producer did not show.
1226
01:10:55,951 --> 01:10:58,351
And it wound up
I became the engineer.
1227
01:10:58,487 --> 01:11:01,581
And I was thinking,
"Oh, man, can you believe this?"
1228
01:11:01,757 --> 01:11:04,248
Because right when they come in,
you know, you're...
1229
01:11:04,426 --> 01:11:06,394
Yeah, but that's there,
it doesn't come in till the solo.
1230
01:11:06,562 --> 01:11:07,654
No, I know.
1231
01:11:07,796 --> 01:11:09,787
Johnson: But I must point
something out here,
1232
01:11:09,932 --> 01:11:12,992
that nobody was drinking
and nobody was drugging.
1233
01:11:14,670 --> 01:11:17,070
Well...
(chuckles)
1234
01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:20,668
* You got to move
1235
01:11:22,077 --> 01:11:24,568
(tape rewinding)
1236
01:11:24,747 --> 01:11:26,612
Jagger: I think we were drinking
quite a lot.
1237
01:11:26,782 --> 01:11:28,044
I'm sure there were
lots of drinking
1238
01:11:28,217 --> 01:11:30,242
and smoking marijuana
and so on.
1239
01:11:30,419 --> 01:11:31,818
Well, you know, I mean,
1240
01:11:31,954 --> 01:11:34,752
you put it on a scale
of what, you know?
1241
01:11:34,923 --> 01:11:37,050
That was recording
in those days,
1242
01:11:37,226 --> 01:11:38,386
that was part of it.
1243
01:11:38,527 --> 01:11:41,587
But otherwise it was a lot
of serious work as well.
1244
01:11:41,764 --> 01:11:45,063
And once we knew
the room was tuned to us
1245
01:11:45,234 --> 01:11:48,260
and we were tuned to the room,
then it became, you know,
1246
01:11:48,437 --> 01:11:52,100
"Right, let's get as much done here
as we possibly can," you know?
1247
01:11:53,942 --> 01:11:55,307
Jagger: Keith had this tune
Wild Horses,
1248
01:11:55,477 --> 01:11:57,172
but I don't think
that was really finished.
1249
01:11:57,313 --> 01:11:59,406
He had a chorus,
but that was about it.
1250
01:11:59,548 --> 01:12:01,243
So that was all written
on the spot.
1251
01:12:01,383 --> 01:12:02,782
It was just an idea,
1252
01:12:02,951 --> 01:12:06,011
and it had to go to the bathroom
for a little while,
1253
01:12:06,155 --> 01:12:08,020
just to sort of figure it out.
1254
01:12:08,157 --> 01:12:10,091
And then say, "Okay, I'm ready."
1255
01:12:10,259 --> 01:12:12,955
Back in, and then take,
you know?
1256
01:12:13,128 --> 01:12:18,031
* Childhood living
1257
01:12:21,003 --> 01:12:25,770
* Is easy to do
1258
01:12:28,377 --> 01:12:34,247
* The things you wanted
1259
01:12:34,383 --> 01:12:37,648
Jagger: Muscle Shoals Studio is in
this rather interesting place.
1260
01:12:37,820 --> 01:12:41,813
Being there does inspire you
to do it slightly differently.
1261
01:12:41,990 --> 01:12:44,458
Wild Horses is a sort
of country song,
1262
01:12:44,593 --> 01:12:46,618
and I remember
we used Jim Dickinson,
1263
01:12:46,762 --> 01:12:48,627
he played tack piano.
1264
01:12:48,764 --> 01:12:53,360
* A sin and a lie
1265
01:12:55,871 --> 01:13:00,240
* I have my freedom
1266
01:13:02,411 --> 01:13:06,313
* But I don't have much time
1267
01:13:08,884 --> 01:13:14,720
* Wild horses
1268
01:13:14,890 --> 01:13:19,259
* Couldn't drag me away
1269
01:13:21,597 --> 01:13:27,399
* Wild, wild horses
1270
01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:32,506
* We'll ride them someday
1271
01:13:41,817 --> 01:13:43,751
I thought it was
one of the easiest
1272
01:13:43,919 --> 01:13:46,581
and rockingest sessions
that we'd ever done.
1273
01:13:46,755 --> 01:13:50,282
I don't think we'd been
quite so prolific ever.
1274
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:52,656
I mean, we cut three,
four tracks in two days,
1275
01:13:52,795 --> 01:13:56,424
and that, for the Stones,
is going some...
1276
01:14:01,437 --> 01:14:04,338
We left on a high with Brown Sugar.
1277
01:14:04,473 --> 01:14:08,375
We knew we had one of
the best things we'd ever done.
1278
01:14:08,510 --> 01:14:10,137
Jagger: The thing about Brown Sugar,
it had this sound,
1279
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:11,871
it was quite distorted.
1280
01:14:12,047 --> 01:14:15,346
It was pretty funky, you know.
That was the whole idea of it.
1281
01:14:18,120 --> 01:14:21,214
I always wanted to go
back there and cut more.
1282
01:14:21,390 --> 01:14:23,415
Then shit happened,
so we ended up in France
1283
01:14:23,592 --> 01:14:25,583
in a basement doing
Exile on Main St. There,
1284
01:14:25,761 --> 01:14:29,595
but otherwise, Exile would probably
have been cut in Muscle Shoals,
1285
01:14:29,765 --> 01:14:31,460
but politically,
it wasn't possible.
1286
01:14:31,633 --> 01:14:34,101
I wasn't allowed
in the country at the time.
1287
01:14:34,269 --> 01:14:36,430
So, there's that, you know.
1288
01:14:36,605 --> 01:14:38,539
* Brown sugar
1289
01:14:38,674 --> 01:14:41,074
* How come you taste so good
1290
01:14:44,546 --> 01:14:46,070
* Brown sugar
1291
01:14:46,248 --> 01:14:48,716
* Just like a young girl should
1292
01:14:48,851 --> 01:14:51,376
Those sessions were as vital to me
1293
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,545
as any I've ever done.
1294
01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:56,249
I mean, all this other stuff,
1295
01:14:56,425 --> 01:14:59,485
Beggars Banquet
and the other stuff we did,
1296
01:14:59,661 --> 01:15:02,061
Gimme Shelter,
Street Fighting Man,
1297
01:15:02,197 --> 01:15:04,188
Jumpin' Jack Flash,
you know.
1298
01:15:04,333 --> 01:15:07,496
But I've always wondered
1299
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:09,466
that if we'd have cut them
in Muscle Shoals,
1300
01:15:09,638 --> 01:15:11,765
if they might not have been
a little bit funkier.
1301
01:15:19,548 --> 01:15:23,075
* Drums beatin',
cold English blood runs hot
1302
01:15:23,218 --> 01:15:26,915
* Lady of the house
wonderin' where it's gonna stop
1303
01:15:27,055 --> 01:15:30,513
* House boy knows
that he's doing all right
1304
01:15:30,692 --> 01:15:34,856
* You shoulda heard him
just around midnight
1305
01:15:44,573 --> 01:15:46,939
(whooshing)
1306
01:15:47,776 --> 01:15:50,802
Hall: So, I got this great new deal
with Capitol Records,
1307
01:15:50,946 --> 01:15:54,177
but I've had this feud with Wexler,
and he's taken my musicians
1308
01:15:54,349 --> 01:15:58,285
and going across town and going to
put me out of business, so he says.
1309
01:15:58,520 --> 01:16:00,147
Ivey: I imagine Rick was pissed.
1310
01:16:00,322 --> 01:16:01,789
Hey, I got this deal.
1311
01:16:01,924 --> 01:16:03,824
Now I don't have a rhythm section.
1312
01:16:04,726 --> 01:16:07,251
Hall: But if Jerry thinks
these are the only guys
1313
01:16:07,396 --> 01:16:09,023
left in the world that you
can cut hit records on,
1314
01:16:09,197 --> 01:16:11,028
then he's mistaken,
because I believed
1315
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:14,293
that I could cut hit records
with any group of musicians.
1316
01:16:16,772 --> 01:16:19,172
We began to call
every musician we knew
1317
01:16:19,341 --> 01:16:21,639
and put them under contract.
1318
01:16:25,781 --> 01:16:28,341
Ivey: So, that's why he calls me,
get me up there real quick,
1319
01:16:28,517 --> 01:16:29,745
and he said,
"Do you know a bass player?"
1320
01:16:29,918 --> 01:16:31,749
I said, "I know
a great bass player."
1321
01:16:31,920 --> 01:16:33,581
Boyce: So I started playing,
and he said,
1322
01:16:33,755 --> 01:16:35,882
"Do you know of any other
rhythm guys?"
1323
01:16:36,058 --> 01:16:38,856
I said, "Yeah, Freeman Brown,"
1324
01:16:38,994 --> 01:16:43,454
who became one of the best
fat back drummers for Muscle Shoals.
1325
01:16:45,200 --> 01:16:47,327
He said, "And I also
need a horn section."
1326
01:16:47,469 --> 01:16:50,370
And I said, "Yeah, there's some guys
that I met out of Nashville."
1327
01:16:51,673 --> 01:16:53,573
Thompson: Rick Hall
wanted to put a band together
1328
01:16:53,742 --> 01:16:55,539
and call it the "Fame Gang,"
1329
01:16:55,677 --> 01:16:57,668
and I ended up being part of that.
1330
01:16:59,748 --> 01:17:02,512
Hall: For me to surround myself
with the strongest people I could
1331
01:17:02,651 --> 01:17:04,710
made me a better producer.
1332
01:17:05,954 --> 01:17:08,252
Now, here's what we're going
to do, we're going to let him
1333
01:17:08,423 --> 01:17:10,550
play back the tape
four or five times in succession,
1334
01:17:10,692 --> 01:17:11,920
I want to work with the horns.
1335
01:17:12,094 --> 01:17:14,722
This is a sad song.
1336
01:17:14,863 --> 01:17:16,558
So don't jive it up too much.
1337
01:17:16,698 --> 01:17:18,188
(imitates horn)
1338
01:17:18,333 --> 01:17:21,564
And take away from the lyrics
so it sounds like a dance record.
1339
01:17:21,703 --> 01:17:24,365
The truth is after Barry Beckett,
and Jimmy Johnson,
1340
01:17:24,506 --> 01:17:26,440
Roger Hawkins, David Hood left
and bought their own studio,
1341
01:17:26,608 --> 01:17:28,576
we come in here with
this new rhythm section
1342
01:17:28,710 --> 01:17:31,201
who was not really
a studio band yet,
1343
01:17:31,346 --> 01:17:33,814
but 1971, Rick Hall's
the producer of the year.
1344
01:17:33,982 --> 01:17:35,916
He didn't have that
with the other guys.
1345
01:17:36,051 --> 01:17:37,245
Hall: I started over again,
1346
01:17:37,419 --> 01:17:39,387
and I believed I was
as good as anybody.
1347
01:17:39,521 --> 01:17:42,922
Here's Candi Staton
to sing her big, big hit on FAME.
1348
01:17:43,058 --> 01:17:46,391
Boyce: At FAME, we experienced
a lot of great artists,
1349
01:17:46,528 --> 01:17:48,291
starting with Candi Staton.
1350
01:17:48,463 --> 01:17:50,397
Pretty mama.
1351
01:17:50,532 --> 01:17:51,624
We started to explode.
1352
01:17:51,800 --> 01:17:53,927
The world was coming
to Muscle Shoals.
1353
01:17:54,069 --> 01:17:55,969
* You may think I'm silly
1354
01:17:56,138 --> 01:17:58,470
* To love a man twice my age
1355
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:01,131
* But I know from experience, girls
1356
01:18:01,309 --> 01:18:02,435
* Sometime, it pays
1357
01:18:02,611 --> 01:18:05,079
I did Bobbie Gentry
for Capitol Records,
1358
01:18:05,213 --> 01:18:07,807
I did King Curtis, I did Lou Rawls.
1359
01:18:07,983 --> 01:18:10,110
Little Richard, Willie Hightower,
1360
01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:12,014
Mac Davis, Joe Tex.
1361
01:18:12,187 --> 01:18:15,418
* I'd rather be
an old man's sweetheart
1362
01:18:15,557 --> 01:18:17,991
* Than to be
a young man's fool
1363
01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,025
Ivey: And we cut all those records
when Donny Osmond,
1364
01:18:20,195 --> 01:18:22,095
the Osmond Brothers,
in 1971.
1365
01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:23,629
I think they sold something
in the neighborhood
1366
01:18:23,765 --> 01:18:25,790
of 23 million records
in one year.
1367
01:18:25,934 --> 01:18:27,834
Hall: Joe Simon, the group Alabama,
1368
01:18:28,003 --> 01:18:30,130
Paul Anka, and Tom Jones.
1369
01:18:30,305 --> 01:18:33,638
Clarence Carter,
Wilson Pickett, Bobby Womack.
1370
01:18:33,775 --> 01:18:36,403
Hall: I had one of the biggest record
companies in the world behind me.
1371
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:38,638
I was getting twice
the quality rate
1372
01:18:38,780 --> 01:18:40,941
that I was getting
from Atlantic and Chess.
1373
01:18:43,118 --> 01:18:45,245
So I was shitting
in high cotton.
1374
01:18:45,387 --> 01:18:46,649
(laughs)
1375
01:18:46,788 --> 01:18:49,279
* I'd rather be
an old man's sweetheart
1376
01:18:49,424 --> 01:18:52,257
* Than to be
a young man's fool
1377
01:18:52,394 --> 01:18:54,294
* Don't want to be your fool
1378
01:18:54,429 --> 01:18:59,696
Johnson: We were forming a production
company in about '69 or '70.
1379
01:18:59,868 --> 01:19:02,063
And our friend, Alan Walden,
1380
01:19:02,237 --> 01:19:06,196
found this band in Jacksonville
called Lynyrd Skynyrd.
1381
01:19:06,374 --> 01:19:10,208
I was a sucker to want
to cut that band immediately,
1382
01:19:10,378 --> 01:19:12,642
so we signed them.
1383
01:19:12,781 --> 01:19:14,442
Man: When I first joined
Lynyrd Skynyrd,
1384
01:19:14,583 --> 01:19:16,050
Ronnie had always talked
1385
01:19:16,218 --> 01:19:17,742
about the guys in Muscle Shoals.
1386
01:19:17,919 --> 01:19:20,752
Apparently, they had
gone up there and recorded
1387
01:19:20,922 --> 01:19:24,824
an entire album
with Jimmy Johnson producing.
1388
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:26,723
They had no money,
1389
01:19:26,895 --> 01:19:31,161
and I remember they would come up
here and they'd check in a truck stop
1390
01:19:31,299 --> 01:19:33,529
where they'd get in fights
with the truckers
1391
01:19:33,702 --> 01:19:36,466
'cause of their long hair.
And basically,
1392
01:19:36,605 --> 01:19:39,699
all they had to eat
was peanut butter sandwiches
1393
01:19:39,841 --> 01:19:41,206
the whole time.
1394
01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:44,776
But I loved this band.
1395
01:19:44,946 --> 01:19:47,506
I didn't know if it'd be a hit,
but I'll tell you one thing,
1396
01:19:47,649 --> 01:19:49,776
if you listen to those songs,
1397
01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:53,944
some of the best rock and roll songs
I've ever heard.
1398
01:19:54,122 --> 01:19:55,214
Especially one.
1399
01:19:55,423 --> 01:19:57,584
(piano music)
1400
01:19:58,627 --> 01:20:00,891
At the time we were
cutting Free Bird,
1401
01:20:01,029 --> 01:20:02,690
we took a little lunch break.
1402
01:20:02,831 --> 01:20:06,699
We walk in, the engineer
had started playing the tape.
1403
01:20:06,835 --> 01:20:08,928
Billy Powell,
who's the roadie,
1404
01:20:09,104 --> 01:20:12,198
he was sitting in there
playing this concert piano
1405
01:20:12,340 --> 01:20:14,069
that was so unbelievable,
1406
01:20:14,209 --> 01:20:17,804
that we walked in just in,
like... awe,
1407
01:20:17,979 --> 01:20:19,241
with our mouth open.
1408
01:20:20,816 --> 01:20:22,545
And I look at Ronnie
and he looks at me,
1409
01:20:22,684 --> 01:20:24,618
and I said, "I got to go
and record with that.
1410
01:20:24,786 --> 01:20:26,913
I don't know about you."
And he said, "You got it."
1411
01:20:27,055 --> 01:20:29,888
We put him on the record,
and then he became
1412
01:20:30,025 --> 01:20:32,687
a band member
within a few months.
1413
01:20:32,828 --> 01:20:34,989
He was a concert pianist,
1414
01:20:35,163 --> 01:20:37,222
and nobody knew it,
not anybody.
1415
01:20:42,137 --> 01:20:43,968
I think he thought
they wouldn't like that,
1416
01:20:44,139 --> 01:20:46,266
you know, that he had studied.
1417
01:20:46,441 --> 01:20:49,569
But what a great thing
he added to their records.
1418
01:20:56,084 --> 01:20:58,484
But there was something
different about this band.
1419
01:20:58,653 --> 01:21:02,316
I mean, on this album,
I had a nine-minute single,
1420
01:21:02,490 --> 01:21:05,584
and I'm going to go and try
to sell it to a record company
1421
01:21:05,727 --> 01:21:08,992
that's never had a single
over three and a half minutes.
1422
01:21:09,164 --> 01:21:11,325
I mean, I got problems.
1423
01:21:11,499 --> 01:21:15,629
* If I leave here tomorrow
1424
01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:22,503
* Would you still remember me
1425
01:21:22,677 --> 01:21:24,645
But there started to be
a lot of interest,
1426
01:21:24,813 --> 01:21:27,043
and they said,
"We want you to cut it down
1427
01:21:27,215 --> 01:21:28,807
to 3:45 on this one."
1428
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:30,975
I said, "Nope, can't do it."
1429
01:21:31,119 --> 01:21:33,610
And I knew
that if I did that,
1430
01:21:33,755 --> 01:21:36,451
I'd destroy the integrity
of the band.
1431
01:21:36,591 --> 01:21:38,889
I said, "Go listen to them live,
1432
01:21:39,060 --> 01:21:41,494
and then you'll know
what to do."
1433
01:21:41,663 --> 01:21:47,363
* But if I stay here with you now
1434
01:21:50,438 --> 01:21:53,339
* Things just couldn't
be the same
1435
01:21:53,508 --> 01:21:56,602
Not one A & R department
would go listen to them,
1436
01:21:56,745 --> 01:22:00,704
so it wound up,
I lost a band.
1437
01:22:08,723 --> 01:22:11,521
And here, I had
all these great cuts,
1438
01:22:11,693 --> 01:22:14,025
I cut the first Free Bird,
Simple Man,
1439
01:22:14,162 --> 01:22:16,460
I mean, all this stuff, you know?
1440
01:22:19,801 --> 01:22:21,826
And I wasted almost
two years of my life,
1441
01:22:21,970 --> 01:22:25,565
and it's very depressing for me,
1442
01:22:25,740 --> 01:22:28,470
and I'm sure it was for them.
1443
01:22:29,411 --> 01:22:34,348
* And this bird
you cannot change
1444
01:22:34,482 --> 01:22:36,279
* Oh
1445
01:22:36,451 --> 01:22:39,909
But the Skynyrd boys had one thing
in their favor going for them:
1446
01:22:40,088 --> 01:22:42,522
that guy, Alan Walden,
that I talked to you about,
1447
01:22:42,657 --> 01:22:44,557
he got them on a Who tour.
1448
01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:47,087
World tour with The Who.
1449
01:22:47,262 --> 01:22:49,389
When they came
off of that Who tour,
1450
01:22:49,564 --> 01:22:51,862
they were a hit band.
1451
01:22:52,734 --> 01:22:57,671
* Lord, I can't change
1452
01:22:57,806 --> 01:23:01,242
* Won't you fly high
1453
01:23:01,376 --> 01:23:03,901
* Oh, free bird, yeah
1454
01:23:08,650 --> 01:23:11,141
(crowd cheering)
1455
01:23:51,860 --> 01:23:53,919
Johnson: And then the crash happened.
1456
01:24:01,102 --> 01:24:05,038
And Gary and Allen
got well enough from the crash,
1457
01:24:05,206 --> 01:24:07,731
they come to me and say,
"We want 11 songs
1458
01:24:07,876 --> 01:24:11,039
of your 17 to be the next album,"
1459
01:24:11,212 --> 01:24:13,806
and it was called,
"The First and the Last."
1460
01:24:21,122 --> 01:24:22,749
(engine starting)
1461
01:24:40,241 --> 01:24:43,699
Hall: My father raised me,
he cooked the meals,
1462
01:24:43,878 --> 01:24:45,869
he got us off to school.
1463
01:24:46,047 --> 01:24:47,708
I spent hours and hours
1464
01:24:47,882 --> 01:24:49,873
in the woods with him
cutting timber.
1465
01:24:50,051 --> 01:24:51,712
He preached to me constantly,
1466
01:24:51,886 --> 01:24:53,513
"You got to be the best
at whatever you do,
1467
01:24:53,688 --> 01:24:55,178
and good is not good enough,
1468
01:24:55,323 --> 01:24:57,052
you've got to be
the best in the world,
1469
01:24:57,225 --> 01:24:59,625
not just the best
in this county."
1470
01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:02,696
He had worked hard,
and I'd worked hard with him
1471
01:25:02,864 --> 01:25:05,628
all of our lives,
and so I wanted to do something
1472
01:25:05,767 --> 01:25:07,257
to make life easier for him,
1473
01:25:07,435 --> 01:25:11,496
so I bought him a new
John Deere tractor.
1474
01:25:12,574 --> 01:25:14,667
He'd always wanted a tractor.
1475
01:25:14,809 --> 01:25:17,334
We never could afford a tractor.
1476
01:25:24,986 --> 01:25:26,647
During this time,
1477
01:25:26,788 --> 01:25:28,915
my dad was plying
on the little tractor
1478
01:25:29,090 --> 01:25:32,059
about a quarter of a mile
from our house.
1479
01:25:32,193 --> 01:25:35,185
My stepmother went out
to look for my father,
1480
01:25:35,330 --> 01:25:38,527
and she saw the tractor wheels
turned up in the air,
1481
01:25:38,666 --> 01:25:40,429
and she knew something bad
had happened.
1482
01:25:40,602 --> 01:25:43,093
He was pinned under the tractor.
1483
01:25:43,271 --> 01:25:46,536
He had tried to get away
and had pawed in the ground
1484
01:25:46,674 --> 01:25:49,142
trying to free himself.
1485
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:51,210
Of course, after his death,
1486
01:25:51,346 --> 01:25:53,541
I went into a deep stupor.
1487
01:25:53,681 --> 01:25:56,582
I mean, it's just overwhelming.
1488
01:25:58,153 --> 01:26:01,281
I was playing in Texas,
1489
01:26:01,456 --> 01:26:04,152
and Rick Hall
called me and told me
1490
01:26:04,325 --> 01:26:07,158
he had a song he wanted me
to come up there and do.
1491
01:26:07,328 --> 01:26:10,388
* I was born and raised
down in Alabama
1492
01:26:10,532 --> 01:26:12,864
* On a farm
way back up in the woods
1493
01:26:13,001 --> 01:26:15,492
* I was so ragged that folks
used to call me Patches
1494
01:26:15,670 --> 01:26:17,137
* Papa used to
tease me about it
1495
01:26:17,305 --> 01:26:18,772
* Of course, deep down inside,
he was hurt
1496
01:26:18,940 --> 01:26:21,170
* 'Cause he'd done
all he could
1497
01:26:21,342 --> 01:26:23,401
Carter: When Rick played the song
to me,
1498
01:26:23,545 --> 01:26:25,513
I said, "We're going
the wrong direction."
1499
01:26:25,680 --> 01:26:27,773
Hall: He didn't like the song
1500
01:26:27,949 --> 01:26:29,644
because he thought
it was a downer
1501
01:26:29,817 --> 01:26:31,785
for his people,
the black people.
1502
01:26:31,953 --> 01:26:34,114
* My papa was a great old man
1503
01:26:34,255 --> 01:26:35,620
"My papa was
a great old man,
1504
01:26:35,790 --> 01:26:39,123
I can see him with
a shovel in his hand.
1505
01:26:39,260 --> 01:26:41,194
Education he never had,
1506
01:26:41,362 --> 01:26:43,523
but he did wonders
when times got bad."
1507
01:26:43,698 --> 01:26:45,598
* The little money
from the crops he raised
1508
01:26:45,733 --> 01:26:48,793
And it was my story
about me and my father.
1509
01:26:48,970 --> 01:26:51,803
* Oh, life had kicked him
down to the ground
1510
01:26:51,973 --> 01:26:54,669
* When he tried to get up,
life would kick him back down
1511
01:26:54,842 --> 01:26:57,606
* One day Papa called me
to his dying bed
1512
01:26:57,745 --> 01:27:00,373
* Put his hands on my shoulders
and in tears he said
1513
01:27:00,548 --> 01:27:05,008
* He said, Patches,
I'm depending on you, son
1514
01:27:05,186 --> 01:27:07,950
* To pull the family through
1515
01:27:08,089 --> 01:27:12,822
* My son,
it's all left up to you
1516
01:27:16,764 --> 01:27:18,231
All the things
went through my mind
1517
01:27:18,399 --> 01:27:21,926
of how he killed himself
working for his son
1518
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:24,129
and had lived vicariously through me
1519
01:27:24,272 --> 01:27:27,332
thinking, "I couldn't make it,
but maybe my son Rick can make it."
1520
01:27:27,475 --> 01:27:30,569
* Sometimes I felt
that I couldn't go on
1521
01:27:30,745 --> 01:27:33,339
* I wanted to leave,
just run away from home
1522
01:27:33,481 --> 01:27:36,541
* But I would remember
what my daddy said
1523
01:27:36,718 --> 01:27:40,017
* With tears in his eyes
on his dying bed
1524
01:27:40,188 --> 01:27:42,520
So, I was so taken
by the story
1525
01:27:42,657 --> 01:27:45,956
that I wanted to do a special
production on it with strings,
1526
01:27:46,094 --> 01:27:48,585
and I wanted to go to L.A.
and do it, and I did.
1527
01:27:48,763 --> 01:27:52,028
* To do the rest
1528
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:56,193
I was a believer in Rick Hall
knowing what to do,
1529
01:27:56,337 --> 01:27:58,271
and if he said
that was a good song,
1530
01:27:58,439 --> 01:28:00,270
okay, let's sing the song.
1531
01:28:00,441 --> 01:28:04,275
* Patches, I'm depending
on you, son
1532
01:28:04,445 --> 01:28:08,279
* To pull the family through
1533
01:28:08,449 --> 01:28:09,677
When it came out,
1534
01:28:09,817 --> 01:28:12,843
it was going up the charts
in a hurry.
1535
01:28:12,987 --> 01:28:15,285
That was a number one record.
1536
01:28:15,456 --> 01:28:19,722
* Patches, I'm depending
on you, son
1537
01:28:19,894 --> 01:28:22,761
* I tried to do my best
1538
01:28:22,930 --> 01:28:27,367
* It's up to you
to do the rest
1539
01:28:36,644 --> 01:28:40,239
The artists who come here,
they come to get away from it all.
1540
01:28:40,381 --> 01:28:42,849
They can rest,
1541
01:28:42,984 --> 01:28:45,009
stay away from the telephone,
1542
01:28:45,153 --> 01:28:47,951
the hustle and bustle,
and people bugging them
1543
01:28:48,122 --> 01:28:50,283
regarding autographs
or what have you.
1544
01:28:50,458 --> 01:28:52,483
Nobody knows them here,
in other words.
1545
01:28:55,396 --> 01:28:57,455
Jagger: People like to go to places
1546
01:28:57,632 --> 01:29:02,399
that had a kind of magical
kind of vibe about them,
1547
01:29:02,537 --> 01:29:04,334
but they also liked
to get out of New York
1548
01:29:04,505 --> 01:29:06,268
or out of L.A.
or out of London sometimes
1549
01:29:06,407 --> 01:29:08,739
to do these sessions.
1550
01:29:11,879 --> 01:29:13,506
King: I mean, that was really
the first of its kind
1551
01:29:13,681 --> 01:29:15,740
that attracted music people
from all over the world.
1552
01:29:15,883 --> 01:29:17,908
Sure, people go
to New York to record.
1553
01:29:18,052 --> 01:29:20,486
You know, big deal.
You know, go to Muscle Shoals
1554
01:29:20,655 --> 01:29:22,418
where you can actually
get lunch at a meat and three
1555
01:29:22,557 --> 01:29:24,821
and really experience
the Southern way of life.
1556
01:29:24,992 --> 01:29:27,460
I mean, there's nothing like it.
1557
01:29:30,698 --> 01:29:32,325
Cliff: When I went to Muscle Shoals
to record,
1558
01:29:32,500 --> 01:29:35,594
for me, it was more
like going to my village
1559
01:29:35,737 --> 01:29:38,228
in Somerton, in Jamaica.
1560
01:29:38,373 --> 01:29:41,706
I did actually feel,
I'm at home.
1561
01:29:41,876 --> 01:29:45,835
* Sitting here in limbo
1562
01:29:46,013 --> 01:29:48,982
* But I know it won't be long
1563
01:29:49,150 --> 01:29:52,347
Hood: Jimmy had a very definite
Jamaican songwriting style,
1564
01:29:52,520 --> 01:29:54,249
and this was
pre-Bob Marley,
1565
01:29:54,389 --> 01:29:58,348
so nobody was really hip
to the Jamaican sound that much.
1566
01:29:58,526 --> 01:30:02,257
Cliff: Here I am, going there
with a different brand of feeling,
1567
01:30:02,397 --> 01:30:04,729
and they were readily
adaptable to it.
1568
01:30:05,733 --> 01:30:07,098
Hawkins: When an artist
would come in,
1569
01:30:07,235 --> 01:30:11,262
what our job was to us
is to become their band.
1570
01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:14,000
King: They were able
to change who they were
1571
01:30:14,175 --> 01:30:16,643
depending on the artist
that walked in the door.
1572
01:30:16,778 --> 01:30:18,109
That was the true genius of it.
1573
01:30:19,213 --> 01:30:21,977
* I can't say
what life will show me
1574
01:30:22,116 --> 01:30:24,880
* But I know what I've seen
1575
01:30:25,052 --> 01:30:27,816
* I can't say
where life will leave me
1576
01:30:27,955 --> 01:30:30,822
* But I know where I've been
1577
01:30:30,958 --> 01:30:33,722
* Tried my hand at love
and friendship
1578
01:30:33,895 --> 01:30:37,296
* But all that is past and gone
1579
01:30:37,432 --> 01:30:40,595
* This little boy is moving on
1580
01:30:43,604 --> 01:30:45,435
Cliff: The song, Sitting in Limbo,
1581
01:30:45,606 --> 01:30:48,734
was such a fresh piece of music
1582
01:30:48,910 --> 01:30:50,969
that you couldn't help but notice it.
1583
01:30:51,112 --> 01:30:53,444
* Sitting in limbo
1584
01:30:53,614 --> 01:30:56,014
And so, definitely the Swampers,
1585
01:30:56,150 --> 01:30:58,846
all white guys,
played their role
1586
01:30:58,986 --> 01:31:02,752
in bringing reggae
to the forefront of the public.
1587
01:31:02,924 --> 01:31:05,984
* Sitting in limbo, limbo, limbo
1588
01:31:06,127 --> 01:31:07,719
It was after those sessions
1589
01:31:07,862 --> 01:31:09,887
that Chris Blackwell had the idea
1590
01:31:10,064 --> 01:31:13,693
to link them up
with Steve Winwood.
1591
01:31:13,835 --> 01:31:15,894
Winwood: When we were going through
our formative years,
1592
01:31:16,070 --> 01:31:19,335
I started hearing
this Southern soul music,
1593
01:31:19,474 --> 01:31:22,568
and of course, I didn't
really have any concept
1594
01:31:22,710 --> 01:31:26,441
of Muscle Shoals
or the musicians
1595
01:31:26,614 --> 01:31:28,411
or their background,
1596
01:31:28,549 --> 01:31:30,483
when I was first
hearing this music.
1597
01:31:30,651 --> 01:31:34,712
I just knew that the music had
something very special for me,
1598
01:31:34,856 --> 01:31:37,051
so when we actually
got to work with them,
1599
01:31:37,191 --> 01:31:39,785
it was an amazing experience for us.
1600
01:31:39,961 --> 01:31:45,297
* Sometimes I feel so uninspired
1601
01:31:45,466 --> 01:31:48,094
Hawkins: Recording with Traffic
was a very strange thing.
1602
01:31:48,269 --> 01:31:50,965
It was...
To me, it was strange.
1603
01:31:51,138 --> 01:31:55,837
Winwood: Of course, Traffic
weren't a mainstream band at all.
1604
01:31:56,010 --> 01:31:58,501
We would try
and take elements
1605
01:31:58,679 --> 01:32:02,843
of rock, jazz, folk music,
1606
01:32:03,017 --> 01:32:05,645
all sorts of different
ethnic music.
1607
01:32:05,820 --> 01:32:09,517
Our own particular name for it
was Headless Horseman music.
1608
01:32:11,192 --> 01:32:14,525
* But don't let it get you down
1609
01:32:14,695 --> 01:32:16,925
Hawkins: They didn't
go about recording
1610
01:32:17,064 --> 01:32:18,759
the way that we were used to.
1611
01:32:18,900 --> 01:32:22,165
At that time, I was
trying to be real precise.
1612
01:32:22,336 --> 01:32:24,065
Traffic was the exact opposite.
1613
01:32:24,205 --> 01:32:25,672
It sounds terrible,
let's play it anyway.
1614
01:32:25,840 --> 01:32:27,808
It might not ever sound good,
but let's play it.
1615
01:32:27,942 --> 01:32:31,673
It wasn't an immediate,
easy marriage.
1616
01:32:31,846 --> 01:32:33,507
Hawkins: But as time went on,
I started,
1617
01:32:33,681 --> 01:32:35,979
I guess you might say,
opening up a little bit.
1618
01:32:36,150 --> 01:32:38,710
I was forced to learn
how to jam again.
1619
01:32:44,592 --> 01:32:47,891
Winwood: The song that stands out
for me off that album
1620
01:32:48,062 --> 01:32:50,622
is (Sometimes I Feel So) Uninspired.
1621
01:32:50,765 --> 01:32:54,997
What Muscle Shoals did to that song
was truly spectacular.
1622
01:32:55,169 --> 01:32:59,538
They brought these rhythmic elements
and harmonic elements
1623
01:32:59,707 --> 01:33:02,676
that we could never have reached.
1624
01:33:10,384 --> 01:33:12,579
Hawkins: And then
Chris Blackwell says,
1625
01:33:12,753 --> 01:33:15,313
"Well, we'd like for you guys
to go on the road with us."
1626
01:33:16,290 --> 01:33:18,554
And so, we'd go out
and play with Traffic
1627
01:33:18,726 --> 01:33:22,218
at these big venues
and 20,000 people.
1628
01:33:22,396 --> 01:33:24,762
Winwood: We were just thrilled
that they agreed,
1629
01:33:24,932 --> 01:33:26,559
but of course,
they'd actually never
1630
01:33:26,734 --> 01:33:29,328
been on the road with anyone.
1631
01:33:29,470 --> 01:33:32,598
There were times
when Jim and I and Chris
1632
01:33:32,773 --> 01:33:34,365
would get together
and sort of worry,
1633
01:33:34,542 --> 01:33:38,672
say, "Are we corrupting
these guys' minds?",
1634
01:33:38,813 --> 01:33:43,079
and that their music possibly came
out of some sort of innocence.
1635
01:33:43,250 --> 01:33:47,152
We suffered a certain
amount of guilt for that.
1636
01:33:51,592 --> 01:33:54,618
Hood: Musicians are pretty noted
for the gypsy life,
1637
01:33:54,795 --> 01:33:57,628
moving around and playing
a different venue every night,
1638
01:33:57,798 --> 01:34:00,392
but we really liked
our family life.
1639
01:34:06,774 --> 01:34:09,902
When I first started in music,
I had visions of New York
1640
01:34:10,044 --> 01:34:12,945
and Los Angeles and travel,
different places,
1641
01:34:13,114 --> 01:34:15,241
and the more I've done that,
the more I've realized
1642
01:34:15,416 --> 01:34:16,974
that this is the best place.
1643
01:34:17,151 --> 01:34:19,619
It is my home
and I love it here.
1644
01:34:20,788 --> 01:34:23,552
We had many opportunities
to move our operation.
1645
01:34:23,691 --> 01:34:25,556
We thought, "People would come to us.
1646
01:34:25,693 --> 01:34:28,218
Why would we have to go to them
when they'll come to us?"
1647
01:34:29,597 --> 01:34:31,565
* Sometimes even now
1648
01:34:31,699 --> 01:34:34,065
* When I'm feeling lonely and beat
1649
01:34:36,437 --> 01:34:40,771
* I drift back in time
and I find my feet
1650
01:34:41,842 --> 01:34:44,470
* Down on Mainstreet
1651
01:34:45,746 --> 01:34:47,680
Johnson: I'm gonna tell you,
working with Bob Seger
1652
01:34:47,848 --> 01:34:50,078
was just magnificent,
it really was.
1653
01:34:50,217 --> 01:34:55,280
He was the kind of guy,
that he had no ego.
1654
01:34:55,456 --> 01:34:58,016
* Down on Mainstreet
1655
01:34:58,192 --> 01:35:00,683
And Mainstreet is one
of my really favorite cuts.
1656
01:35:00,861 --> 01:35:02,954
Seger really put
his heart in that one.
1657
01:35:03,097 --> 01:35:06,589
Most of the people in Detroit
and the Muscle Shoals people
1658
01:35:06,734 --> 01:35:11,228
thought they were talking about
the Main Street of their town.
1659
01:35:11,372 --> 01:35:13,397
We had a ten-year run with him
1660
01:35:13,541 --> 01:35:15,975
that we were at least
doing half the album
1661
01:35:16,110 --> 01:35:18,271
each time he put
out an album.
1662
01:35:26,120 --> 01:35:29,920
Godchaux: The studio just started
taking a life of its own.
1663
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:34,723
Stars fell on Alabama,
1664
01:35:34,929 --> 01:35:37,454
and everybody who was anybody
1665
01:35:37,598 --> 01:35:39,327
came to record at that studio.
1666
01:35:39,500 --> 01:35:42,663
* When I think back
on all the crap
1667
01:35:42,803 --> 01:35:45,533
* I learned in high school
1668
01:35:48,109 --> 01:35:51,340
* It's a wonder
I can think at all
1669
01:35:51,512 --> 01:35:53,707
Johnson: When we really got moving
in the '70s,
1670
01:35:53,881 --> 01:35:55,974
we were doing like,
50 albums a year.
1671
01:35:56,117 --> 01:35:58,711
Richards: It was one of
the best rooms I've ever worked in.
1672
01:35:58,886 --> 01:36:00,478
The sound was like
the perfect sound.
1673
01:36:00,621 --> 01:36:02,714
It was the sound that
you'd been going for
1674
01:36:02,890 --> 01:36:05,154
everywhere else,
but couldn't get,
1675
01:36:05,292 --> 01:36:09,388
and that's why it became the place
where everybody wanted to record.
1676
01:36:09,563 --> 01:36:12,623
* I got a Nikon camera
1677
01:36:12,767 --> 01:36:15,827
* I love to take a photograph
1678
01:36:15,970 --> 01:36:21,306
* So Mama, don't take
my Kodachrome away
1679
01:36:21,442 --> 01:36:23,637
Hood: We were very fortunate
to get to work
1680
01:36:23,778 --> 01:36:25,769
with a lot of the big stars.
1681
01:36:25,946 --> 01:36:30,542
Bob Dylan, Paul Simon,
Boz Scaggs, Staple Singers.
1682
01:36:30,718 --> 01:36:34,347
Rod Stewart, Joe Cocker.
I mean, I just named you a list.
1683
01:36:34,488 --> 01:36:36,080
- Johnson: Johnnie Taylor.
- Hood: Glenn Frey.
1684
01:36:36,257 --> 01:36:37,918
- Johnson: Leon Russell.
- Hood: Willie Nelson.
1685
01:36:38,092 --> 01:36:40,185
- Johnson: Levon Helm.
- Hood: Donnie Fritts.
1686
01:36:40,327 --> 01:36:42,318
- Johnson: Carlos Santana.
- Hood: John Prine.
1687
01:36:42,463 --> 01:36:44,260
- Johnson: Millie Jackson.
- Hood: R.B. Greaves.
1688
01:36:44,431 --> 01:36:46,899
- Johnson: JJ Cale.
- Hood: Dire Straits.
1689
01:36:47,034 --> 01:36:48,763
Johnson: Simon and Garfunkel.
1690
01:36:48,936 --> 01:36:50,801
* Mama, don't take my Kodachrome
1691
01:36:50,971 --> 01:36:52,666
* Mama, don't take my Kodachrome
1692
01:36:52,807 --> 01:36:55,799
* Mama, don't take
my Kodachrome away
1693
01:36:55,976 --> 01:36:57,204
* Mama, don't take my Kodachrome
1694
01:36:57,344 --> 01:36:59,938
Hawkins: Still amazes me today
that all that music
1695
01:37:00,114 --> 01:37:02,446
was played by us guys,
1696
01:37:02,616 --> 01:37:04,550
a lot of the music was hits.
1697
01:37:04,685 --> 01:37:07,347
Johnson: You look back,
you see the discography,
1698
01:37:07,488 --> 01:37:09,922
we're as amazed as anybody.
1699
01:37:24,371 --> 01:37:26,965
(crickets chirping)
1700
01:37:35,683 --> 01:37:38,277
(owl hooting)
1701
01:38:00,507 --> 01:38:03,101
(fire crackles)
1702
01:38:08,916 --> 01:38:12,317
Hall: My whole life
has been based on...
1703
01:38:12,486 --> 01:38:14,784
...a lot of rejection.
1704
01:38:15,956 --> 01:38:18,151
And to be honest with you,
I think rejection
1705
01:38:18,292 --> 01:38:23,662
played a big role
in my life because...
1706
01:38:23,831 --> 01:38:26,664
...I thrived on it.
1707
01:38:26,834 --> 01:38:29,962
I wanted to prove the world
was wrong and I was right.
1708
01:38:32,039 --> 01:38:34,769
I was rejected by my mother.
1709
01:38:34,909 --> 01:38:37,605
I was rejected by schoolmates
1710
01:38:37,745 --> 01:38:40,646
because I was poverty-stricken.
1711
01:38:40,781 --> 01:38:42,681
As I grew older, I was rejected
1712
01:38:42,850 --> 01:38:45,614
by Atlantic Records
with Jerry Wexler.
1713
01:38:46,687 --> 01:38:49,451
I don't think I've
ever been more angry
1714
01:38:49,590 --> 01:38:52,058
than I was at Jerry Wexler
1715
01:38:52,226 --> 01:38:56,686
and the Swampers
who left me at that time.
1716
01:38:56,864 --> 01:38:58,729
It was bitter.
1717
01:39:03,871 --> 01:39:07,204
But that all
passes with time.
1718
01:39:07,341 --> 01:39:09,172
Those things change.
1719
01:39:22,923 --> 01:39:27,360
Hawkins: My respect for Rick Hall
is never-ending.
1720
01:39:27,494 --> 01:39:29,758
He was our mentor.
1721
01:39:29,930 --> 01:39:33,024
He gave all of us an opportunity
1722
01:39:33,167 --> 01:39:36,659
that we would have
never gotten without him.
1723
01:39:39,273 --> 01:39:42,367
Hood: We all got our start
working with Rick Hall.
1724
01:39:42,509 --> 01:39:44,067
Rick is really the founder
1725
01:39:44,211 --> 01:39:47,977
of the music business
in Muscle Shoals.
1726
01:39:48,148 --> 01:39:49,911
Hall: These are guys
that I love with all my heart,
1727
01:39:50,050 --> 01:39:51,711
and we'd worked together
for years,
1728
01:39:51,852 --> 01:39:53,843
who wanted, like I did,
1729
01:39:53,988 --> 01:39:56,889
to become special
in the music business.
1730
01:40:06,200 --> 01:40:10,569
Winwood: Because they played on so
many of these wonderful hit records,
1731
01:40:10,704 --> 01:40:14,435
they will take their place
in the history of American music.
1732
01:40:14,608 --> 01:40:16,473
Richards: That's the great thing
about recording.
1733
01:40:16,643 --> 01:40:17,940
From there on, you're immortal
1734
01:40:18,078 --> 01:40:19,875
because it's in the grooves, right?
1735
01:40:20,014 --> 01:40:22,949
Sledge: Everything that
everybody's done here,
1736
01:40:23,083 --> 01:40:24,914
it came from their heart,
1737
01:40:25,052 --> 01:40:27,646
and that's what makes
Muscle Shoals so powerful.
1738
01:40:27,821 --> 01:40:30,790
Bono: What music built there
is not something
1739
01:40:30,958 --> 01:40:33,358
that you can see
with your eye.
1740
01:40:33,527 --> 01:40:35,961
In fact, if you look
at the recording studios,
1741
01:40:36,096 --> 01:40:37,893
they were humble shells,
1742
01:40:38,032 --> 01:40:41,798
but what they contained
was an empire
1743
01:40:41,969 --> 01:40:45,769
that crossed race
and creed, ethnicity.
1744
01:40:45,906 --> 01:40:48,204
It was revolutionary.
1745
01:40:48,375 --> 01:40:51,344
I'm honored to step
in the place of people
1746
01:40:51,512 --> 01:40:54,037
who I wish
I could have met.
1747
01:40:54,214 --> 01:40:55,772
You know, there's still
a piece of Etta here,
1748
01:40:55,916 --> 01:40:57,315
there's still a piece
of Aretha here,
1749
01:40:57,451 --> 01:41:00,181
there's a piece of everybody
who walked through these doors.
1750
01:41:00,354 --> 01:41:02,686
White: There's a perfect storm here.
1751
01:41:02,856 --> 01:41:05,689
Everybody needs to know
all the different nuances
1752
01:41:05,859 --> 01:41:07,952
that went into making
this thing happen
1753
01:41:08,095 --> 01:41:09,790
and all the stars aligning
1754
01:41:09,930 --> 01:41:12,455
and exploding the way it did.
1755
01:41:13,300 --> 01:41:16,758
Godchaux: I'm just so proud
to be from this area
1756
01:41:16,904 --> 01:41:20,340
and to see everything
that is to come
1757
01:41:20,474 --> 01:41:22,999
out of this incredible
singing river.
1758
01:41:23,143 --> 01:41:26,010
I am honored.
1759
01:41:26,146 --> 01:41:28,808
(piano music)
1760
01:41:39,226 --> 01:41:42,491
* Well, I'm pressing on
1761
01:41:45,732 --> 01:41:49,793
* Yeah, I'm pressing on
1762
01:41:53,173 --> 01:41:56,438
* And I'm pressing on
1763
01:41:56,610 --> 01:42:02,640
* To the higher calling
of my Lord
1764
01:42:06,086 --> 01:42:09,283
* Can't you see
that I'm pressing on
1765
01:42:12,659 --> 01:42:17,062
* I'm pressing on
1766
01:42:20,367 --> 01:42:23,063
* I'm pressing on
1767
01:42:23,203 --> 01:42:28,266
* To the higher calling
of my Lord
1768
01:42:28,442 --> 01:42:30,137
* Lord
1769
01:42:34,781 --> 01:42:37,716
* Shake the dust off your feet
1770
01:42:37,851 --> 01:42:40,945
* Don't look back
1771
01:42:41,121 --> 01:42:43,851
* Nothing gonna hold you down
1772
01:42:43,991 --> 01:42:47,722
* There's nothing you lack
1773
01:42:47,861 --> 01:42:51,160
* Temptation's not an easy thing
1774
01:42:51,331 --> 01:42:54,027
* Adam gave the devil reins
1775
01:42:54,168 --> 01:42:57,763
* And because he sinned,
I got no choice
1776
01:42:57,938 --> 01:43:00,168
* It runs in my veins
1777
01:43:00,340 --> 01:43:03,503
* But I gotta keep pressing on
1778
01:43:03,677 --> 01:43:06,703
* On and on and on and on
1779
01:43:06,847 --> 01:43:11,113
* I gotta keep pressing on
1780
01:43:13,820 --> 01:43:17,517
* I'm gonna keep pressing,
pressing on
1781
01:43:17,691 --> 01:43:23,323
* To the higher,
higher calling of my Lord
1782
01:43:25,999 --> 01:43:26,931
* Yeah
1783
01:43:28,735 --> 01:43:31,465
* I gotta go higher
1784
01:43:31,605 --> 01:43:33,835
* On and on and on and on
1785
01:43:34,007 --> 01:43:37,602
* I gotta go higher
1786
01:43:40,981 --> 01:43:44,109
* I'm gonna go higher
1787
01:43:44,251 --> 01:43:46,014
* To the higher
1788
01:43:46,186 --> 01:43:51,123
* To the higher calling
of my Lord
1789
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:57,859
* I know somebody,
somebody feels what I'm saying
1790
01:43:58,031 --> 01:44:00,397
* Somebody knows
what I'm going through
1791
01:44:00,567 --> 01:44:04,867
* Who knows
I want to go higher
1792
01:44:07,708 --> 01:44:11,769
* I know you want to keep
pressing on, yeah
1793
01:44:11,912 --> 01:44:17,407
* To the highest calling
of the Lord
1794
01:44:25,592 --> 01:44:27,116
Turn it up.
1795
01:44:32,099 --> 01:44:34,567
King: Ronnie had always talked about
the guys in Muscle Shoals.
1796
01:44:34,735 --> 01:44:36,794
Then when we wrote
Sweet Home Alabama,
1797
01:44:36,937 --> 01:44:38,495
the last verse says,
1798
01:44:38,639 --> 01:44:40,869
"Muscle Shoals
has got the Swampers."
1799
01:44:41,041 --> 01:44:43,271
I went, "Ronnie,
what is that, Swampers?"
1800
01:44:43,443 --> 01:44:46,606
He goes, "Oh, that's Jimmy and Roger
and the guys at Muscle Shoals."
1801
01:44:46,780 --> 01:44:50,409
* Now Muscle Shoals
has got the Swampers
1802
01:44:52,252 --> 01:44:56,245
* And they've been known
to pick a song or two
1803
01:44:56,423 --> 01:44:59,221
Hood: We were given that name
by Denny Cordell
1804
01:44:59,359 --> 01:45:01,827
who was the producer
with Leon Russell.
1805
01:45:01,962 --> 01:45:04,192
I think he just thought
it sounded good,
1806
01:45:04,331 --> 01:45:06,822
'cause Muscle Shoals
has a lot of water here.
1807
01:45:06,967 --> 01:45:11,199
You got to have a name.
Swampers is a good nickname.
1808
01:45:11,838 --> 01:45:14,432
* Sweet home Alabama
1809
01:45:16,677 --> 01:45:19,612
* Lord, I'm coming home to you
1810
01:45:19,980 --> 01:45:22,107
There's two guitar solos
in that song, one short one
1811
01:45:22,282 --> 01:45:25,012
one very long one, and they both
came to me in a dream,
1812
01:45:25,152 --> 01:45:27,950
absolutely note for note,
all the transition points,
1813
01:45:28,121 --> 01:45:30,385
the fingering,
the chord voicings.
1814
01:45:30,524 --> 01:45:32,651
I woke up out of the dream,
picked up the guitar,
1815
01:45:32,826 --> 01:45:33,884
and it was done.
1816
01:45:34,027 --> 01:45:35,927
* Here I come,
Alabama
1817
01:45:55,382 --> 01:45:59,216
* Home
1818
01:45:59,353 --> 01:46:04,086
* Alabama, home
1819
01:46:04,224 --> 01:46:09,059
* Alabama, home
1820
01:46:09,196 --> 01:46:13,826
* Alabama, home
1821
01:46:14,000 --> 01:46:15,661
* Alabama
1822
01:46:25,412 --> 01:46:28,313
* Big wheels keep on turnin'
1823
01:46:30,317 --> 01:46:32,979
* Carry me home to see my kin
1824
01:46:35,088 --> 01:46:38,182
* Singing songs about the Southland
1825
01:46:39,926 --> 01:46:42,087
* I miss Alabamy once again
1826
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:44,527
* And I think it's a sin, yes
1827
01:46:54,574 --> 01:46:57,543
* Well, I heard Mr. Young
sing about her
1828
01:46:59,446 --> 01:47:02,381
* Well, I heard old Neil
put her down
1829
01:47:04,351 --> 01:47:07,286
* Well, I hope Neil Young
will remember
1830
01:47:09,356 --> 01:47:12,951
* A Southern man
don't need him around anyhow
1831
01:47:14,461 --> 01:47:17,123
* Sweet home Alabama
1832
01:47:19,366 --> 01:47:22,130
* Where the skies are so blue
1833
01:47:24,204 --> 01:47:26,832
* Sweet home Alabama
1834
01:47:29,209 --> 01:47:31,677
* Lord, I'm coming home to you
1835
01:47:43,690 --> 01:47:46,887
* In Birmingham,
they love the governor
1836
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:48,550
* Boo, boo, boo
1837
01:47:48,695 --> 01:47:51,562
* Now we all did
what we could do
1838
01:47:53,533 --> 01:47:57,401
* Now Watergate
does not bother me
1839
01:47:58,705 --> 01:48:01,071
* Does your conscience bother you
1840
01:48:01,241 --> 01:48:03,539
* Tell the truth
1841
01:48:03,677 --> 01:48:06,339
* Sweet home Alabama
1842
01:48:08,648 --> 01:48:11,173
* Where the skies are so blue
1843
01:48:13,653 --> 01:48:16,121
* Sweet home Alabama
1844
01:48:18,558 --> 01:48:21,652
* Lord, I'm coming home to you
Here I come
1845
01:48:21,828 --> 01:48:23,489
* Alabama
1846
01:48:42,382 --> 01:48:46,079
* Home
1847
01:48:46,219 --> 01:48:50,952
* Alabama, home
1848
01:48:51,124 --> 01:48:55,857
* Alabama, home
1849
01:48:56,029 --> 01:49:00,762
* Alabama, home
1850
01:49:00,901 --> 01:49:02,698
* Alabama
1851
01:49:12,012 --> 01:49:15,448
* Now, Muscle Shoals
has got the Swampers
1852
01:49:17,183 --> 01:49:19,674
* And they've been known
to pick a song or two
1853
01:49:22,022 --> 01:49:25,185
* Lord, they get me off so much
1854
01:49:26,693 --> 01:49:28,991
* They pick me up
when I'm feeling blue
1855
01:49:29,162 --> 01:49:31,790
* Now how about you
1856
01:49:31,932 --> 01:49:34,457
* Sweet home Alabama
1857
01:49:36,803 --> 01:49:39,294
* Where the skies are so blue
1858
01:49:41,775 --> 01:49:44,266
* Sweet home Alabama
1859
01:49:46,646 --> 01:49:49,342
* Lord, I'm coming home to you
1860
01:49:51,651 --> 01:49:53,915
* Sweet home Alabama
1861
01:49:54,087 --> 01:49:56,385
* Oh, sweet home
1862
01:49:56,556 --> 01:49:58,581
* Where the skies are so blue
1863
01:49:58,758 --> 01:50:01,318
* And the governor's true
1864
01:50:01,461 --> 01:50:04,191
* Sweet home Alabama
1865
01:50:06,366 --> 01:50:08,994
* Lord, I'm coming home to you
1866
01:50:11,304 --> 01:50:13,602
* Sweet home Alabama
1867
01:50:13,773 --> 01:50:16,071
* Oh, sweet home
1868
01:50:16,242 --> 01:50:19,336
* Where the skies are so blue
And the governor's true
1869
01:50:19,479 --> 01:50:22,846
When you hear musicians,
1870
01:50:22,983 --> 01:50:25,349
five or six of them
in a room,
1871
01:50:25,485 --> 01:50:27,214
and you hear the imperfections,
1872
01:50:27,387 --> 01:50:29,617
that's the human element.
1873
01:50:29,789 --> 01:50:31,916
If a guy falls off of the stool
1874
01:50:32,092 --> 01:50:34,925
who's playing the drums,
I really don't give a shit,
1875
01:50:35,095 --> 01:50:37,222
as long as he don't
miss a beat.
1876
01:50:37,397 --> 01:50:38,625
He can get back up
and climb back up,
1877
01:50:38,798 --> 01:50:43,258
and most people, including myself,
think that's great.
1878
01:50:43,436 --> 01:50:45,904
That's the human element, there's faults.
1879
01:50:46,039 --> 01:50:48,735
So, the imperfections
gives it the human element,
1880
01:50:48,875 --> 01:50:52,038
which I believe is what
we need today more of,
1881
01:50:52,178 --> 01:50:55,409
and that's how you make
magic and great records.
1882
01:50:55,582 --> 01:50:58,050
Amen.
1883
01:50:58,184 --> 01:51:00,345
That's my sermon
for the day, by the way.
1884
01:51:00,487 --> 01:51:01,954
(laughing)
1885
01:51:04,954 --> 01:51:08,954
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