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[man] The term "pre-crime"
comes from this movie,
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Minority Report, in which
a prediction is being made
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about something an individual
has not yet done
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but is going to do, and a
preemptive arrest is made
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of someone before they've
performed the act.
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[man 2] If you would have
asked me 37 years ago
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if we would have gunshot
detection or video cameras
in neighborhoods
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or be able to predict
where crimes occur,
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I would have said you're crazy.
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[man 3] It's not aiming
to a certain future,
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the future is already in
the present right now.
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It's the securitization
of our society.
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[man 4] I have no idea what
the next five or ten years
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is going to mean to
law enforcement in terms
of technology advancement.
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Just looking at where
we've come so far,
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it's gonna be mind-boggling.
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[man 5] Can we predict
an actual crime event
before it occurs?
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[waves crashing]
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[man] When I heard of this
story for the first time,
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I thought,
"Now it's finally happening."
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Hollywood has eventually
merged with real life.
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Software that predicts where
and when
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the next crime occurs,
police that arrive
at the crime scene
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before the perpetrator,
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computers that generate lists
with tomorrow's murders.
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Pre-crime, they call it.
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A friend writes to me,
"There's something foreign
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"looming on the horizon,
and we can only guess
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that it will shape
us entirely one day."
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[distant police sirens]
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[man 2] Our strategic subject,
list, or it's called the SSL,
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is a system that we
worked with a professor
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from the Illinois
Institute of Technology,
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an academic partner
here in Chicago,
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to be able to assess
and analyze those people
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that are at the greatest risk
of being a party to violence.
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The system is able to
prioritize and tell us
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those individuals that we
really have to focus on,
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to work with to try to
prevent that violence.
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When you have so many
different data sets,
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or you have
so many cameras to watch,
which ones do we watch?
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Social media, right?
So many different social media
communications out there.
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How do you know what
to concentrate on?
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That's what our
predictive aspect towards
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that strategic subject list,
that's what it does.
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[man] They experimented with
it a little bit in 2012.
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2013 is really when it took off.
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They came-- the police
department came up with,
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um, more than 400 names
of people who fit that bill.
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Individuals who were most
likely to be prone to violence,
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either as a victim
or a perpetrator.
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Each of the 22 police
districts came up with 20 names.
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And they were chosen,
I don't know the science of it,
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but it was all through
mathematical algorithms,
basically.
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And it didn't have
anything to do so much with
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them being hardened
criminals as much as it had
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to do with,
"Who are they arrested with?"
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[mutters indistinctly]
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[doorbell rings]
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[dog barking]
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-Mr. Robert McDaniel?
-Yes.
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Hi, I'm Commander West
and I am with
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the 15th District
Chicago Police Department.
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-May we come in?
-Yes.
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[Gorner]
Like, take
Robert McDaniel, for example.
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He was not a hardened criminal.
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He had been arrested
for many minor offenses,
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like gambling, shooting dice,
or smoking marijuana.
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Minor offenses, but the people
who he was arrested with
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during those crimes,
some of them,
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or least one of them,
was a victim of violence.
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So, the logic was
is that, well, Robert belongs
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on the list because he has
a relationship with somebody
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who's been
a victim of violence,
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because he's been arrested
with that person before.
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[man] I was unemployed,
a school dropout.
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It was either go get work
or sell drugs in the street,
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and selling drugs
wasn't for me.
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I tried to put myself...
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I tried to get my GED.
That didn't work.
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And in the midst of me
trying to get my GED,
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I started getting followed home,
started having police officers
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walk up on me, ride up on me,
saying my name, government name,
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where I had been and...
just things like that.
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Then... I had Miss Officer West
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and a social worker--
I can't remember his name,
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but they had stopped at my home,
they stopped at my house
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and subpoenaed me,
told me that I was put through
some type of test,
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they're saying I was supposed to
be eligible to shoot somebody
or get myself shot.
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That I was put on the Heat List
of 400 people in Chicago.
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Mr. McDaniel, as part of our
violent reduction strategy,
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our software has generated a
list of potential criminals,
actors, and victims.
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We are here today to
inform you of the fact that
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our computers have placed
you on the Heat List
of the police department.
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Now, should you decide
to continue to engage
in criminal activity,
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you should know we're gonna
charge you
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and we will prosecute you to
the fullest extent of the law.
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[McDaniel] I guess we was
associated or had friends
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that's supposed to be
in the streets,
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or however the scenario go.
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But we was put through a test,
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and we supposed to came
out the most...
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The, like, top 400 dangerous
people in Chicago.
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Now, yet again,
like I asked you,
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how can I be dangerous for
smoking weed or shooting dice?
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Who does this hurt?
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[Caluris] The timeline shows all
the criminal activity
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that that person's
associated with.
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If you see on the bottom,
those are all interactions
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that he's had with the police.
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Either as an arrest,
as a contact,
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as a victim,
anything with it.
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So, you know,
who he hangs with,
you know where he's been,
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everything to do with
him that we've documented
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through police interaction.
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Scroll down, please,
whoever's got that.
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This shows-- this is what
they'll compile
and put together
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and get back out into the field
within 15 minutes.
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So, if this person is
the victim of a shooting
or a violent crime,
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they'll pull up there,
it's got their
criminal history...
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That's associates...
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So everything you saw before
was all the criminal history
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involved with that individual,
so there's probably
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maybe about 25, 30 arrests
that you saw on that subject.
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The associates,
people that they're documented
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as having an affiliation with,
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that's, again,
a pretty comprehensive list.
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Certainly, we can actually
do even like a link analysis
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to be able to show how
that network interacts.
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The idea that you
could essentially connect
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all of the data streams
that government collects
in different ways,
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everything from your arrest
records,
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to your contacts,
to your foreclosures,
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to your mental health records,
to your social benefits,
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and put 'em in a particular
computer database,
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and then be able
to do link analysis where
you connect a phone number
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from all the different sources
and go out several links
and be able to see the world,
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is something you would
never imagine that
is technologically possible now.
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[man] Let's summarize:
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Firstly, they are quite
serious about fighting
crime with algorithms.
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Secondly, Robert McDaniel
is on the wrong side
of the algorithm.
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Thirdly,
apart from its developers,
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nobody knows how the algorithm
behind the Heat List works.
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Fourthly, in 2016,
statistically,
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2.0876 people are killed
every day in Chicago.
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How does an algorithm that
promises safety actually work?
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[distant police sirens]
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[man] We've been
using predictive policing
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in Kent now for three years.
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And we use
a system called PredPol.
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This is a system
that is predominantly
a patrol strategy for us.
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So it tells our officers where
the high-risk areas are today,
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and they go to those areas
and carry out their duties
as they normally would.
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We find the system is
very adaptable,
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very easy
for our officers to use.
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What we would describe as an
operationally ready system.
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We've helped
to develop PredPol,
which is an American system,
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and we've played
a large role in what
PredPol looks like today.
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In terms of the future,
we're looking at how we can
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protect against
less tangible areas
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around organized crime
and modern slavery,
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sexual crime,
and protecting our borders.
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And that's the next
big challenge for us,
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and we're working with
PredPol around data fusion,
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and also with the home office,
the government in the UK,
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to produce more and better
predictive policing models.
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[waves crashing]
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[man] That's quite a
remarkable list.
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Organized crime,
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human trafficking,
sexual offenses,
border security.
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An algorithm that targets
criminals just as migrants.
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Question:
what else does it target?
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Question: who gets
what kind of security?
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Question: who is protected
by the algorithm
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and who isn't?
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[Johnson] What's embedded within
the algorithm, within PredPol,
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is something called
routine activity theory,
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which is-- as you know, we to
tend to do the same things
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day in, day out,
in the same way.
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You know,
I go to the same supermarket,
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I tend to drive the same
direction to that supermarket,
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even though I don't have to.
I tend to go to the same bar.
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Um... criminals are the same,
you know,
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they're creatures of habit,
and they don't like to
take risks.
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A lot of the theory
and research within PredPol
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is based on some pretty heavy
criminological research,
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most of it done in Europe
that says, you know what?
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There's a lot around
repeat behavior,
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repeat behavior of victims
as well as criminals.
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What we did initially with
the system is give it,
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it was put through five years
worth of crime data
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and three year's worth of
antisocial behavior data.
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So if you think about how long
we've had it in place now,
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that means we've got eight
years of crime data in it
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and about six years of
antisocial behavior data.
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We send data over
on a daily basis
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and the data is analyzed,
and then that is sent back to us
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in the form of Google Maps
with red boxes on it.
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Those boxes represent
the high-risk areas
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that we then say to our
officers,
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"Get in the box
and police what you see."
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[Gorner] They have like
a ranking system...
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which shows how many times
more likely are they
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than the general population
to be prone to violence.
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So, Robert
had a rating of 215,
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which meant he's 215 times
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more likely to be
prone to violence.
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But Robert wasn't... I mean,
that paled in comparison
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to a number of other
people on the list.
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There were a lot of people
on that list
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who were than 500 times
more likely
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to be party to violence.
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And, again, that's not because
of their criminal history.
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That's because of the people
they've been arrested with.
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[man on P.A.] Doors closing.
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[Ferguson] You know, so, this
is what's really frightening,
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is that there are companies
now scoring every citizen.
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And our political elections
right now,
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the Republicans and Democrats
are really doing
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this nanotargeting where
they really are scoring
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families to the address, right?
So that information's out there.
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It's not really out there
whether they're a felon or not,
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but it is out there.
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And so what
the police here are doing,
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is they're literally just
purchasing the information
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that other people already have.
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Now that scored society,
of course, is frightening.
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Of course
it's not just a privacy sense
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that you are giving out
this information.
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It's about a government
owning this information, right?
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This is a different situation.
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In America, we are pretty
willing to let big companies
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like Google and Apple
know pretty much everything
about ourselves,
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but we're more reluctant
to have government,
and that's a good line to draw.
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What's happening here is this
sort of data convergence,
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where you're really
seeing private companies
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collecting this information,
and then essentially selling it
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or offering it through
different services
to law enforcement.
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And people do know
that information.
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Even if the police
don't have it,
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the private companies
do have it,
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and that's part of
where we are now
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as technology is collecting
as much information
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about us as it can.
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[man]
Facebook like, click, saved.
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We deliver the data which
generates information about us
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that circulate on the internet
until the next update
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creates yet another
data set, and so on.
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Data mining endlessly.
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Somewhere fairly
lost at the bottom
of the digital food chain,
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there are people
like Robert McDaniel.
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Privacy? What privacy?
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[man]
Whenever someone fills out
an application for a loan,
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they're going to be providing
certain information.
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The Beware Software,
they access databases
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from financial institutions,
the courts,
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any type of loaning
institutions.
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Beware has the ability
to access all of those
databases, simultaneously.
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So when a call comes in
to our dispatch center
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and it is categorized
as a life-threatening call
or a in-progress crime,
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then-- and there's an address
attached-- the Beware Software
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automatically searches
all of these databases
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and then provides the operator
in the real-time crime center,
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information specific
to that address.
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People that have lived there,
do live there,
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their cell phone numbers,
prior addresses, associates.
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The other piece
that Beware allows for
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is to research social media
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and to gather any type
of information
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that might be in there
in terms of threats.
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The theory behind Beware
makes a lot of sense.
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If I was that police
officer on the street
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and I was entering a house
and I didn't know
who lived there,
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I'd want all the information
I could.
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But the problem is,
if it's sourced through these
data brokers,
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there just isn't really
much accuracy.
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So, you might be
arriving at a house,
and the address alerts
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says "a dangerous place,"
that maybe somebody
lives there.
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Maybe that dangerous
person moved.
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The problem is accuracy.
I mean, have you ever gotten
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the wrong catalog in the mail
and, like, "Why did someone
send me a particular catalog?
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I don't have children,
why do I have it?"
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That's the inaccuracy
that comes along with these
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data brokers, right?
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They don't need to be perfect,
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because what they're
really doing is trying to
sell products to people.
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Well, if the algorithms
used in the private sector
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have allowed them to become
more successful
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in targeting their audience
to sell product,
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then we should take advantage
of that same algorithm
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that allows us to become
more successful
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in law enforcement
and preventing crime.
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[people chattering]
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[man] In the case of
the Beware Software,
295
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I think the bad far outweighs
any potential good.
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And I can see how
in a perfect world,
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and if the software
were perfect,
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it could help make
police officers safer.
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The problem is,
nothing is perfect.
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For instance, one of the
things that the software
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company says that it looks at
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are postings on social media,
such as Facebook and Twitter.
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There was one woman in
another city who was flagged
in the software
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for making comments on Twitter
about rage.
305
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Rage has a very specific
meaning in terms of anger,
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violence, but the rage
she was talking about
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was a card game called
"Rage" that had nothing to do
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with violence, or aggression,
or anything like that.
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Yet she was flagged
as being a possible problem
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because she had sent
these messages about rage.
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And what if someone is
making comments about that
they don't trust the police?
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Is that gonna flag them as
being a potential problem?
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So there are too many
opportunities for the computer
to get it wrong.
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And if they get it wrong
coupled with a police department
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that already is much more likely
than other police departments
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to shoot citizens,
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that's a recipe,
potentially, for disaster.
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[waves crashing]
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[man]
Taking up one question again.
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Why are we forcing these
technologies upon ourselves?
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00:38:37,548 --> 00:38:39,882
The Silicon Valleys
of this world are making
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a lot of money with them, okay.
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We, the users, enjoy the
comfort in Google land, fine.
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And that's it?
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What if the internet,
fed by the permanent feedback
of its users,
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already had
its virtual awakening?
327
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What if it developed its
own needs and interests?
328
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If it was always leading us
to more convenient technologies
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00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:09,145
because we pay for it
with private data?
330
00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:12,015
What if freedom
was just an illusion?
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[man] If we build a game,
a city game,
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in which technology's in
everything and you're a hacker,
333
00:39:41,179 --> 00:39:43,479
then you'll have a lot of
control and a lot of power.
334
00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:45,014
So that was an
interesting idea for us.
335
00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:46,582
So I started doing research.
336
00:39:46,617 --> 00:39:48,751
And we started looking
at what existed already.
337
00:39:48,786 --> 00:39:52,221
And we started seeing that
a lot of that technology
was already out there.
338
00:39:52,256 --> 00:39:54,857
That it was technically
almost feasible to do that.
339
00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:57,160
So instead of us trying
to invent science-fiction,
340
00:39:57,195 --> 00:40:00,062
we started grounding
our creation to reality.
341
00:40:00,097 --> 00:40:02,098
You know,
we've all heard of big data,
342
00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:04,200
the notion that
all those cameras,
343
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,235
but also all those devices--
our phones,
344
00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:09,172
computers we use,
the chips in our cars--
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00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:11,007
they're gathering
our informations.
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00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:13,643
Those informations are stored.
We don't even know where.
347
00:40:13,678 --> 00:40:15,711
Oftentimes we accept
that they get accumulated.
348
00:40:15,746 --> 00:40:18,881
And big data,
it's a neutral technology.
349
00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:20,783
It can be used for good,
it can be used for bad.
350
00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:23,886
We like calling it
the digital shadow of people.
351
00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,789
You knew
what was their earnings...
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00:40:26,824 --> 00:40:29,058
you know, some important
facts of their lives.
353
00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,060
And as you go around
the game simulation,
354
00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:33,196
you could open what
we called a profiler,
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00:40:33,231 --> 00:40:34,797
which would tap in
all those devices,
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00:40:34,832 --> 00:40:36,599
do facial recognition
and all that,
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00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:38,234
and give you information
on the citizens
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00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:39,803
of our virtual Chicago.
359
00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:54,750
This is not a dystopian game.
360
00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:57,920
It happens in a little
different version of our world.
361
00:40:57,955 --> 00:40:59,222
It's very much grounded
in reality,
362
00:40:59,257 --> 00:41:01,257
but we turn the dial to 11
363
00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,226
and we say,
"What if this happened?"
364
00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:05,962
And so it's not
the dystopian reality,
365
00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:07,730
it's before
the dystopian reality,
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00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:09,466
when things
can be done about it.
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00:41:13,337 --> 00:41:16,105
[man] "Metropolitan Police,
territorial police,
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00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,509
"are working together
for a safer London.
369
00:41:19,544 --> 00:41:23,279
"To who it may concern,
the Metropolitan Police service
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00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,881
"and all of its partners
are committed
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00:41:24,916 --> 00:41:26,782
"to reducing knife
and gang crime.
372
00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:30,720
"Information indicates
that you have,
or are associated with,
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00:41:30,755 --> 00:41:32,221
"a gang that is linked to crime.
374
00:41:32,256 --> 00:41:35,191
If you are involved in crime
and do not stop..."
375
00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,568
"If you are involved in crime
and do not stop,
376
00:41:45,603 --> 00:41:49,772
"you may be targeted by the
police and partner agencies.
377
00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:54,076
"Under a piece of legalization
called Joint Enterprise,
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00:41:54,111 --> 00:41:57,146
"you may be convicted of a crime
and sent to prison
379
00:41:57,181 --> 00:42:00,616
"for just being present when
a serious crime is committed
380
00:42:00,651 --> 00:42:03,653
"or being with those persons
who commit a crime
381
00:42:03,688 --> 00:42:06,255
"and you don't try to stop it.
382
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:08,724
"You will need to
change your lifestyle.
383
00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:10,159
We can help you to do this."
384
00:42:10,194 --> 00:42:11,761
[chuckles]
385
00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:15,064
"You can speak in confidence
to a police officer
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00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:19,569
"and/or contact any of
the organizations listed
at the end of this letter.
387
00:42:19,604 --> 00:42:21,871
"I would encourage you
to speak to them,
388
00:42:21,906 --> 00:42:24,941
"as they can help you
break any gang links.
389
00:42:24,976 --> 00:42:28,244
Yours sincerely,
borough commander."
390
00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:34,083
That's some bullshit.
391
00:42:34,118 --> 00:42:36,118
Reading that letter
just took me back
392
00:42:36,153 --> 00:42:39,055
to when I first received it.
393
00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:43,659
And it's funny, 'cause
everybody that's in my circle,
394
00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:45,995
yeah, we all received that
at the same time.
395
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,735
You can't ever,
ever let somebody tell you
396
00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:55,104
that you can't chill
around somebody,
397
00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:57,607
you can't go
to a certain area,
you can't do certain things.
398
00:42:57,642 --> 00:43:01,143
Especially when these people
are trying to bring us down.
399
00:43:01,178 --> 00:43:03,279
They put things like this
into place just so that
400
00:43:03,314 --> 00:43:05,815
we can act up and--
do you know what I'm saying?
401
00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:08,217
Because what they
don't realize, yeah--
402
00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,920
actually, no,
they do realize it.
403
00:43:10,955 --> 00:43:12,254
The police do realize it.
404
00:43:12,289 --> 00:43:14,056
They realize that
we haven't got a voice.
405
00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:15,758
Do you know what
I'm saying?
406
00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:18,194
It's like when you was
in school once upon a time
407
00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:21,030
and you put your hand up
to ask the teacher something
408
00:43:21,065 --> 00:43:24,767
or to answer a question,
and the teacher don't
point at you.
409
00:43:24,802 --> 00:43:27,903
And you get frustrated,
do you know what I'm saying?
You get frustrated.
410
00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:30,640
The teacher don't notice you
until you get mad.
411
00:43:30,675 --> 00:43:32,742
That's the only time
that they notice you.
412
00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:35,044
So that's how
the mentality of us...
413
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:36,912
The only way that we
can get our point across
414
00:43:36,947 --> 00:43:39,081
is by putting fear into people
because that's the only time
415
00:43:39,116 --> 00:43:40,717
that they're willing to
listen to us.
416
00:44:00,705 --> 00:44:02,071
[man] The doctrine
of Joint Enterprise
417
00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:05,374
was actually brought in
over 200 years ago
418
00:44:05,409 --> 00:44:09,245
to stop people
encouraging duels.
419
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,481
So, if two people were dueling,
whether it's by
pistols or swords,
420
00:44:12,516 --> 00:44:14,817
their seconds, who are there
to support them,
421
00:44:14,852 --> 00:44:17,453
they can be done
for joint enterprise
422
00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:19,021
if someone's killed.
423
00:44:19,056 --> 00:44:21,957
So that doctrine
is not actually law.
424
00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:25,027
It is doctrine
adopted by the courts.
425
00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:28,831
But it has an operational
and tactical implication
426
00:44:28,866 --> 00:44:31,834
in terms of the Matrix.
427
00:44:31,869 --> 00:44:34,270
Um, the Matrix wasn't around
when I was in the Met.
428
00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:36,005
I retired three years ago.
429
00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,443
But the Matrix is primarily
an enforcement tool
430
00:44:40,478 --> 00:44:43,012
to be more proactive,
431
00:44:43,047 --> 00:44:47,183
to target those who are
committing the crimes.
432
00:44:47,218 --> 00:44:50,986
Unfortunately, when you
cast the net very wide,
433
00:44:51,021 --> 00:44:55,058
you are bringing in people
who are not necessarily
involved in gangs.
434
00:45:07,471 --> 00:45:10,940
[man] For whatever reason they
called their database "Matrix."
435
00:45:10,975 --> 00:45:15,211
The name, however,
seems like a bow
to a technological system.
436
00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:20,750
The London Matrix works like
the Heat List in Chicago.
437
00:45:20,785 --> 00:45:23,486
Identify individuals,
connect them,
438
00:45:23,521 --> 00:45:26,222
detect patterns
and social networks,
439
00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:30,559
calculate the statistical
possibilities.
440
00:45:30,594 --> 00:45:35,364
Score people, issue warnings,
keep an eye out.
441
00:45:37,334 --> 00:45:42,071
Question: is there an algorithm
targeting corporate crime?
442
00:45:53,617 --> 00:45:56,952
[man] They sit there,
they just wait,
they just watch.
443
00:45:56,987 --> 00:46:00,589
They have unmarked
cars on the block.
444
00:46:00,624 --> 00:46:03,826
And they post up on the sides
somewhere they can't be seen,
445
00:46:03,861 --> 00:46:07,029
or they will have officers
on foot in plain clothes
446
00:46:07,064 --> 00:46:09,198
to watch what we're doing,
like walk around the area,
447
00:46:09,233 --> 00:46:10,366
see what's going on and that.
448
00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:15,070
They know who you chill around,
they know who you're around,
449
00:46:15,105 --> 00:46:16,839
they know what you do
'cause they're watching,
450
00:46:16,874 --> 00:46:18,007
do you know what I'm saying?
451
00:46:18,042 --> 00:46:20,176
You can't really escape it.
452
00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:30,619
I'm doing an anti-gang
project in a local
area here in East London.
453
00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:35,524
I have clients who are saying,
"I have never been
involved in a gang."
454
00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:40,429
But the real issue is the
subjectivity to get people
455
00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:43,332
on the criminal intelligence
system, the criminal system.
456
00:46:43,367 --> 00:46:47,102
And then how that then goes
into the Matrix,
457
00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:50,840
to then associate people
in certain gangs,
which are questionable.
458
00:46:50,875 --> 00:46:55,110
So that the thing is who's
checking the data entry?
459
00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:58,948
Who's checking those officers
who commit those data entries?
460
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:03,619
[man] I don't see myself
as a gang member.
461
00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:05,521
I'm not a gang member.
462
00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:08,591
I'm not a gang member,
do you know what I'm saying?
463
00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:12,261
I'm just a part
of a circle that...
464
00:47:12,296 --> 00:47:15,297
I'm just a part of a tight
circle which always
465
00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:18,434
gets shined a dark light on,
do you know what I mean?
466
00:47:18,469 --> 00:47:20,369
And always will by them.
467
00:47:30,214 --> 00:47:32,281
[man] If you tell them,
"I'm not in a gang,"
468
00:47:32,316 --> 00:47:34,083
they'll ask you,
"What community are you from?"
469
00:47:34,118 --> 00:47:35,584
"Oh, I'm from the [inaudible]."
470
00:47:35,619 --> 00:47:37,419
"Okay, those are
Body Snatchers over there.
471
00:47:37,454 --> 00:47:39,922
Those are Four Corner Hustlers.
You a Four."
472
00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:43,359
How can you tell me what
I am because of my address,
because of where I stay?
473
00:47:43,394 --> 00:47:47,062
That's probably where
I can only afford to live.
That makes no sense.
474
00:47:47,097 --> 00:47:49,632
I just honestly believe
they got a job to do,
and they want to do it.
475
00:47:49,667 --> 00:47:52,034
If they gotta breed crime,
if they gotta make criminals,
476
00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:55,204
if they gotta sit here and
convince you that you're
a criminal
477
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,973
and provoke you to do it,
they'll do it.
478
00:47:58,008 --> 00:48:02,611
Actually, I had a friend
killed a couple months--
couple weeks prior to that.
479
00:48:02,646 --> 00:48:07,383
Only part I can say is,
they labeled it a gang murder.
480
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,353
Now, I guess that's how
I got affiliated,
481
00:48:11,388 --> 00:48:13,689
'cause me and a person that was
murdered was so close.
482
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:17,493
But other than that,
I actually don't know.
483
00:48:17,528 --> 00:48:20,696
But like I said,
I ain't did nothing
that the next kid did.
484
00:48:34,044 --> 00:48:36,145
[woman] They haven't told us
what the algorithm is
485
00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:38,280
that they're using
to identify people.
486
00:48:38,315 --> 00:48:40,983
They haven't told us
what that data is.
487
00:48:41,018 --> 00:48:43,319
And there's no way
to get off the list,
488
00:48:43,354 --> 00:48:45,387
that we're aware of,
once you're on it.
489
00:48:45,422 --> 00:48:49,525
So, that's scary
to a lot of people.
490
00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,661
It's frightening to not know
how the list is created,
491
00:48:52,696 --> 00:48:55,230
or to be able to get off
of it on the back end.
492
00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:58,033
And they can say that,
you know, we're using math,
493
00:48:58,068 --> 00:49:00,102
we're using science
as a way to do it.
494
00:49:00,137 --> 00:49:02,305
Math and science
aren't always right.
495
00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:08,110
There's been reporting
on these algorithms
496
00:49:08,145 --> 00:49:10,579
that are used in
sentencing after trials,
497
00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:15,250
where people are given
a number to predict
whether or not
498
00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:18,320
they're gonna be more likely
to engage in crime
in the future.
499
00:49:18,355 --> 00:49:20,422
And that
impacts their sentences.
500
00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:24,793
There's been recent reporting
showing that those algorithms
501
00:49:24,828 --> 00:49:28,397
aren't accurate, and that they
have a disparate impact
on the basis of race.
502
00:49:28,432 --> 00:49:30,733
So, that's a danger
of these algorithms
503
00:49:30,768 --> 00:49:33,435
and one of the reasons that we
want the police department
504
00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:36,105
to be open about the factors
that they're using,
505
00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,173
and the algorithms
that they're using in this case,
506
00:49:38,208 --> 00:49:40,977
because it should be
put to the test.
507
00:50:15,145 --> 00:50:17,813
[man] So, a police department
first uploads their data.
508
00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:20,315
This is actually open data
from Philadelphia.
509
00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:23,385
It's about 800,000 records.
510
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:26,488
And a very important point
in this software
511
00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:30,392
is telling the system how
important each type of crime
is to prevent.
512
00:50:30,427 --> 00:50:33,128
So, the harm created from
a homicide is equivalent
513
00:50:33,163 --> 00:50:37,566
to $8.6 million in comparison
to, let's say, the robbery,
514
00:50:37,601 --> 00:50:39,301
where it's like $67,000.
515
00:50:39,336 --> 00:50:41,837
So, the system needs
to know that so it can know
516
00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:45,274
how to balance the use
of resources, right?
517
00:50:45,309 --> 00:50:49,878
Is it more important to prevent
a very frequent low-level crime,
518
00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:52,548
or a very infrequent
high-level crime?
519
00:50:52,583 --> 00:50:54,083
And how to balance those things.
520
00:50:54,118 --> 00:50:56,285
And this is what
basically defines that.
521
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,121
So, that's all in the
administrative interface,
522
00:50:59,156 --> 00:51:01,256
and then the officer
just logs in
523
00:51:01,291 --> 00:51:05,627
and then sees this map of,
in this case,
524
00:51:05,662 --> 00:51:09,598
the entire city, and officers
in Philadelphia are assigned
525
00:51:09,633 --> 00:51:13,702
to particular patrol
service areas. which are
the black boundaries here.
526
00:51:13,737 --> 00:51:18,273
So, they look at the map
and zoom in on the beat
that they're in,
527
00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:23,112
and they see the boxes,
and then the color of the box
represents what is the focus.
528
00:51:23,147 --> 00:51:28,550
And the tactics is
the recommendation from
the algorithm, the model?
529
00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:30,419
From the software, yes.
530
00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:32,688
Which means that
in some years,
531
00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:37,526
the machine learning tools
will learn which kind of tactics
532
00:51:37,561 --> 00:51:39,928
work with which
kind of situation.
533
00:51:39,963 --> 00:51:41,497
[man] Exactly, yes, yes.
534
00:51:52,342 --> 00:51:55,911
All data is biased,
but police department data,
535
00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:59,915
incident data, has the
potential to be biased
in a number of different ways.
536
00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:02,851
And we cannot
eliminate that bias,
537
00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:05,420
but we can potentially
offset it to some extent
538
00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:07,389
by incorporating other data.
539
00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:10,292
We have a number of different
components to the software.
540
00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:12,661
One is a planning component
541
00:52:12,696 --> 00:52:15,230
that someone can use
at the police station.
542
00:52:15,265 --> 00:52:19,935
The second component of the
software is a mobile version
of the software
543
00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:23,939
that can be in a car
or other vehicle,
and the police officer
544
00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:27,376
is able to see
as the car moves around,
545
00:52:27,411 --> 00:52:32,148
are they inside one of these
priority mission patrol areas.
546
00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:38,754
It's actually using
the GPS from the tablet
547
00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:42,724
to track our location,
and as we enter boxes
548
00:52:42,759 --> 00:52:45,594
it's going to update the display
with information about them.
549
00:52:45,629 --> 00:52:49,865
So we actually are just driving
through a box right now,
which is about robberies.
550
00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:53,802
And if this was
our final destination,
we would start patrolling
551
00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:55,938
for about ten to 15 minutes
in this area.
552
00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:59,474
It's still relatively
unlikely for any crime
553
00:52:59,509 --> 00:53:01,643
to happen in that
location at that time.
554
00:53:01,678 --> 00:53:04,379
It's just that this is
the highest-risk location
555
00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:07,216
amongst all the choices
that we have available,
556
00:53:07,251 --> 00:53:09,985
and so it's the best place
for the officer
to spend that free time.
557
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,593
While we are positioning an
officer in a particular place,
558
00:53:17,628 --> 00:53:19,595
which means that they're
going to be paying attention
559
00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:23,865
to that place, that should
not give them the authority
560
00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,336
to assume that anyone
in that place is a criminal
561
00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:29,772
unless they see something that's
actually criminal in nature.
562
00:54:39,943 --> 00:54:43,345
We have generally
been very cautious about
563
00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:47,849
incorporating any kind
of person-centric data
into our models.
564
00:54:47,884 --> 00:54:51,086
We believe there's a number
of substantial problems
with this,
565
00:54:51,121 --> 00:54:53,722
whether it's privacy concern
566
00:54:53,757 --> 00:54:57,359
or just the accuracy
of the actual modeling.
567
00:55:06,403 --> 00:55:08,570
We're not using surveillance
data in HunchLab,
568
00:55:08,605 --> 00:55:11,473
but I think it's a key question
that our societies
need to be asking,
569
00:55:11,508 --> 00:55:14,042
and under what circumstances
is it reasonable
570
00:55:14,077 --> 00:55:16,011
to take advantage of
that kind of data?
571
00:55:33,463 --> 00:55:38,133
[man] Big data, we the users,
and our privacy.
572
00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:41,536
Well, who could have
imagined years ago
573
00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:45,741
that Google can
algorithmically calculate
what I will do tomorrow?
574
00:55:48,478 --> 00:55:53,048
Simultaneously,
we activate things
that were silent until now.
575
00:55:53,083 --> 00:55:56,084
Everything that once was
quiet starts communicating
576
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,654
with the world and sending
our data to the internet.
577
00:55:59,689 --> 00:56:04,426
My toothbrush, my TV set,
the chip under my skin,
578
00:56:04,461 --> 00:56:08,764
my fitness tracker,
the toys of our children.
579
00:56:38,895 --> 00:56:42,197
[man] I was not aware of these
kind of "technologies,"
580
00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:46,067
quote unquote, being
implemented by the police,
et cetera.
581
00:56:46,102 --> 00:56:49,871
It's not particularly
surprising, because the
technological developments
582
00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:52,908
in terms of policing,
be it domestic or globally,
583
00:56:52,943 --> 00:56:55,110
is developing all the time.
584
00:56:55,145 --> 00:56:57,078
And it's something that
we're all privy to,
585
00:56:57,113 --> 00:56:58,747
we can all see it
on our TV screens,
586
00:56:58,782 --> 00:57:00,248
especially when it
comes to foreign policy
587
00:57:00,283 --> 00:57:03,218
and conflicts that the
West are conducting abroad.
588
00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:04,953
How do I feel about it?
589
00:57:04,988 --> 00:57:07,122
I'm really concerned,
because I work with
590
00:57:07,157 --> 00:57:09,925
a lot of young people
and young adults and children
591
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,862
who are, or have been,
or will be, unfortunately,
592
00:57:13,897 --> 00:57:16,865
in the short term,
most likely be involved
in the criminal justice system,
593
00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,801
because they come from
troubled backgrounds,
594
00:57:19,836 --> 00:57:22,971
or they're working class
and they're black people.
595
00:57:23,006 --> 00:57:25,774
So, if you can use some kind
of predictive technology
596
00:57:25,809 --> 00:57:28,577
and software to predict,
597
00:57:28,612 --> 00:57:31,012
according to what these
people do in the future,
598
00:57:31,047 --> 00:57:34,049
it's not gonna predict
anything particularly
positive for them.
599
00:57:34,084 --> 00:57:36,485
But if you want to make money,
software to have algorithms
600
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,887
to give to the police, it's...
601
00:57:38,922 --> 00:57:42,090
it's indicative of how
our society
602
00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:45,894
is progressing away from
human solidarity
603
00:57:45,929 --> 00:57:49,498
and a human approach,
to just squeezing people
604
00:57:49,533 --> 00:57:52,768
as hard as you can
in any and every which way.
605
00:58:18,995 --> 00:58:20,262
[man 1]
That's one camera over there.
606
00:58:20,297 --> 00:58:21,897
[man 2] Yeah.
607
00:58:21,932 --> 00:58:23,765
[man 1] Then there's
one camera over there.
608
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,235
There's one camera over there.
609
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:29,671
-You see her?
-Yeah.
610
00:58:29,706 --> 00:58:32,641
And then there's another
camera just back there,
you see?
611
00:58:32,676 --> 00:58:34,242
-Yeah.
-Over there.
612
00:58:34,277 --> 00:58:36,711
And so three murders in
the last year in the park.
613
00:58:36,746 --> 00:58:38,813
So, what the fuck
are these cameras doing?
614
00:58:38,848 --> 00:58:41,116
Yeah, if they're not
being used to solve murders,
615
00:58:41,151 --> 00:58:43,752
then obviously they've got
some kind of different purpose.
616
00:58:43,787 --> 00:58:45,887
Why are they here?
617
00:58:45,922 --> 00:58:48,156
They hit a tick box,
they say to people,
"Oh, we're doing something."
618
00:58:48,191 --> 00:58:50,292
Yeah. And if you look
at these cameras,
619
00:58:50,327 --> 00:58:52,961
they're not the kind of
ordinary CCTV cameras.
620
00:58:52,996 --> 00:58:55,030
-They're sophisticated.
-Definitely.
621
00:58:55,065 --> 00:58:57,299
[man 2] There's some kind of box
attached to it.
622
00:58:57,334 --> 00:58:59,901
When you think about,
three murders happening here
623
00:58:59,936 --> 00:59:03,038
right as kids play...
it's crazy, man.
624
00:59:03,073 --> 00:59:06,041
This is where my son has played
the last 11 years of his life.
625
00:59:06,076 --> 00:59:10,312
And that's why more incidents
happen here than in do in,
like, gated parks.
626
00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:12,380
that you can't get in.
627
00:59:12,415 --> 00:59:16,618
If you think about
how small this park is
and how many cameras there are,
628
00:59:16,653 --> 00:59:18,653
they've got full coverage of it.
629
00:59:18,688 --> 00:59:21,923
And so, you know, where these
gang murders are happening,
630
00:59:21,958 --> 00:59:23,892
it's weird that they're
not able to prevent them
631
00:59:23,927 --> 00:59:27,028
with all the intelligence
they have.
632
00:59:27,063 --> 00:59:30,198
Stingray, triangulation,
all this kind of stuff,
633
00:59:30,233 --> 00:59:32,901
I'm not surprised
that it's on this scale,
634
00:59:32,936 --> 00:59:34,936
and I think there's actually,
we probably don't know
635
00:59:34,971 --> 00:59:39,007
most of the kind of surveillance
abilities they have.
636
00:59:39,042 --> 00:59:41,910
I think it's interesting
that maybe some of the way
637
00:59:41,945 --> 00:59:44,779
that they experiment on gangs
and the black communities
638
00:59:44,814 --> 00:59:48,416
is also sort of being
used in political protests
639
00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:52,654
and political organization
as a way of sort of pioneering
it and developing it.
640
00:59:52,689 --> 00:59:55,056
I mean, of course,
it's just reflective of the way
641
00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:58,059
in which police mainly
target black males
642
00:59:58,094 --> 01:00:01,196
when it comes to crime and
how they're disproportionately
643
01:00:01,231 --> 01:00:03,665
stopped and searched,
how they're hard-stopped.
644
01:00:21,384 --> 01:00:23,818
[man] I could tell you
about a time where I was
645
01:00:23,853 --> 01:00:26,254
in my auntie's square,
just walking.
646
01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:28,690
I was literally just
going to see my auntie.
647
01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:32,093
I was walking,
and then I heard them.
648
01:00:32,128 --> 01:00:35,764
You know the slider doors
on the van?
649
01:00:35,799 --> 01:00:37,699
I heard the slider door open.
650
01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:40,068
I wasn't really paying
attention to what
was behind me,
651
01:00:40,103 --> 01:00:42,170
but I heard that open
and I heard footsteps.
652
01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:46,307
As soon as I turned around,
boom, I'm being tackled
to the floor
653
01:00:46,342 --> 01:00:49,678
and getting my face kicked
in by four different officers,
654
01:00:49,713 --> 01:00:53,214
one female, three males,
do you know what I'm saying?
655
01:00:53,249 --> 01:00:55,917
Obviously, they rushed me,
they jumped me.
656
01:00:57,253 --> 01:00:59,054
I couldn't... I'm so excited,
657
01:00:59,089 --> 01:01:03,258
So I couldn't even see faces.
I just started swinging.
658
01:01:03,293 --> 01:01:06,327
I punched a couple of them.
659
01:01:06,362 --> 01:01:09,230
At the station,
they said if I admit
to hitting a police officer
660
01:01:09,265 --> 01:01:10,765
they're gonna drop
every other charge.
661
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,167
And the other charges was,
662
01:01:12,202 --> 01:01:13,802
I matched the description
of a robber.
663
01:01:13,837 --> 01:01:15,503
Young... [indistinct]
664
01:01:15,538 --> 01:01:17,772
hooded, blah, blah.
665
01:01:17,807 --> 01:01:21,443
This is Tottenham, breh.
This is Tottenham.
666
01:01:21,478 --> 01:01:23,311
What else are you gonna see
667
01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:26,147
besides young [indistinct]
in hoods?
668
01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:28,450
Hoods make us feel comfortable.
This is how we dress.
669
01:01:28,485 --> 01:01:30,485
This is just the culture,
do you know what I'm saying?
670
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,423
There's a million
other people... why me?
671
01:01:39,496 --> 01:01:42,764
And I resisted arrest.
I resisted arrest,
672
01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,733
so they say they're gonna
drop all the other charges
673
01:01:44,768 --> 01:01:48,136
if I admit to
hitting a police officer.
674
01:01:48,171 --> 01:01:51,339
This is what they do.
They're all about setups, man.
675
01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:54,542
They were on the
block watching me,
do you know what I'm saying?
676
01:01:54,577 --> 01:01:56,811
They saw me walking down,
they did what they did.
677
01:01:56,846 --> 01:02:00,415
And you know what? Police are
the biggest gang in the world,
678
01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:02,984
so they got a cheek.
679
01:02:11,528 --> 01:02:17,065
[Logan] We, in London, and
the other parts of this
country, are a police service.
680
01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,135
So, you've got to
know what that means.
681
01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:23,772
That means accountability
and transparency
682
01:02:23,807 --> 01:02:27,075
in all of your
processes and practices.
683
01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:29,944
Now I challenged that
when I was in the Met,
684
01:02:29,979 --> 01:02:32,547
when I was chair of the
Black Police Association.
685
01:02:32,582 --> 01:02:36,918
I also gave evidence
to various inquiries
686
01:02:36,953 --> 01:02:39,821
that said the police service
was institutionally racist
687
01:02:39,856 --> 01:02:42,857
because of the way in which
they conduct themselves.
688
01:02:42,892 --> 01:02:46,861
Now the Matrix, for me,
is another form
of institutional racism.
689
01:02:46,896 --> 01:02:52,133
It is racial profiling.
It is unaccountable.
690
01:02:52,168 --> 01:02:56,304
And, as far as I'm concerned,
there has to be a way in which
you can get off this system,
691
01:02:56,339 --> 01:03:00,308
whether it's the Matrix,
the DNA database, you know.
692
01:03:00,343 --> 01:03:05,613
You've got to have a process
where people believe
693
01:03:05,648 --> 01:03:09,384
that the police service
can be held to account.
694
01:03:22,332 --> 01:03:26,501
[man] Matrix, strategic
subject list, no-fly list,
695
01:03:26,536 --> 01:03:30,205
selectee list,
terrorist watch list.
696
01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,607
Once on the list,
always on the list,
697
01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:35,944
because the computer says so.
698
01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:40,315
Because, due to the algorithm,
nobody is directly responsible.
699
01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:46,054
Because there is no
regulated procedure against
the errors of the machine.
700
01:03:46,089 --> 01:03:50,325
Because, let's be honest,
nobody cares about
701
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,461
what consequences the decisions
of a program have
702
01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,832
for the life of
Robert McDaniel, or Smurf.
703
01:04:39,575 --> 01:04:43,444
[Guay] Our main character
actually gets unjustly profiled
704
01:04:43,479 --> 01:04:46,047
by the crime prediction system
in the game,
705
01:04:46,082 --> 01:04:49,284
and very early on the player
wants to wipe that prediction
706
01:04:49,319 --> 01:04:51,986
on his person,
because it's unjust.
707
01:04:52,021 --> 01:04:53,354
He doesn't feel it's justified.
708
01:04:53,389 --> 01:04:55,123
It thinks it's arbitrary
709
01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:57,125
that some code decided
that he's a criminal
710
01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,493
because
of this and that reason.
711
01:04:58,528 --> 01:05:00,128
So we're kind of
twisting the perspective
712
01:05:00,163 --> 01:05:01,629
from the being the vigilante,
713
01:05:01,664 --> 01:05:03,665
now you're potentially
the unjustly profiled
714
01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,267
by the algorithm.
715
01:05:09,372 --> 01:05:12,707
[sirens]
716
01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:16,144
Codes don't have a conscience,
and people who write code,
717
01:05:16,179 --> 01:05:18,713
they don't always
know exactly what's
gonna happen afterwards.
718
01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:23,952
There's a part of it
that is beyond the moment
where it's being engineered.
719
01:05:23,987 --> 01:05:27,188
And so, since code
doesn't have a conscience,
720
01:05:27,223 --> 01:05:30,158
and the programmer
doesn't always realize
all the repercussions
721
01:05:30,193 --> 01:05:32,360
of what he's programming,
and he doesn't know
722
01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:35,129
the extent of the data
it's gonna be treating
in the decades afterwards,
723
01:05:35,164 --> 01:05:39,134
there is a point where,
who's responsible, really,
for the code's decision?
724
01:05:49,278 --> 01:05:51,779
[Ferguson]
If the Roberts of the world
are walking down the street
725
01:05:51,814 --> 01:05:53,581
and police know who's on the
Heat List,
726
01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:56,284
they might get stopped easier,
might get searched more often,
727
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:59,454
they might really feel like
they were living in a true
police state.
728
01:05:59,489 --> 01:06:01,289
And from the police perspective,
they're like,
729
01:06:01,324 --> 01:06:03,124
"No, we're just targeting
the worst of the worst.
730
01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:04,425
This person happens
to be on it."
731
01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:06,060
The negative way of
looking at that
732
01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:09,030
is probably closer to
the perspective of the young man
733
01:06:09,065 --> 01:06:11,699
whose door is knocked on
by a detective who is there
734
01:06:11,734 --> 01:06:15,403
to essentially inform him
that there is
a new surveillance
735
01:06:15,438 --> 01:06:18,673
with his name,
and in fact they'll
give him a letter,
736
01:06:18,708 --> 01:06:22,110
a custom notification letter
with his name on it,
with his prior record,
737
01:06:22,145 --> 01:06:24,645
and with the future consequences
should he mess up.
738
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,217
A very directed,
very personal message of,
739
01:06:29,252 --> 01:06:31,319
"We are watching you,
we are surveilling you,
740
01:06:31,354 --> 01:06:34,022
"we are giving you a chance
to avoid violence
741
01:06:34,057 --> 01:06:36,257
"or to be caught up
and be arrested.
742
01:06:36,292 --> 01:06:38,093
And you need to choose wisely."
743
01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,303
[McDaniel] If I was to commit a
crime or a murder right now,
744
01:06:49,338 --> 01:06:51,239
they'd parade themselves.
745
01:06:51,274 --> 01:06:54,075
Medals, honors.
"Oh, we was right,
look, our test."
746
01:06:54,110 --> 01:06:55,710
Like, that's what I think
they're looking for.
747
01:06:55,745 --> 01:06:59,113
They got a grant,
they made up a theory,
748
01:06:59,148 --> 01:07:01,315
they started a program,
and now they want results.
749
01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,619
For whoever gave their
money to fund this,
750
01:07:04,654 --> 01:07:08,023
they have to give results,
'cause if you don't give
results, he'll end it.
751
01:07:10,126 --> 01:07:12,660
It's wrong.
It's wrong to be profiled.
752
01:07:12,695 --> 01:07:15,096
It is wrong to be saying that
you something that you're not.
753
01:07:15,131 --> 01:07:17,398
It's wrong for somebody
to tell you you're a killer.
754
01:07:17,433 --> 01:07:20,135
Like... I don't know.
755
01:07:23,473 --> 01:07:26,507
[Gorner] The police say,
"Hey, it's just another tool
on our belts,
756
01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:30,078
"it's something innovative,
it's something that we figure
757
01:07:30,113 --> 01:07:33,114
can revolutionize
law enforcement."
758
01:07:33,149 --> 01:07:34,415
But the flip side to that
759
01:07:34,450 --> 01:07:37,318
is just from when I was
doing the story in 2013,
760
01:07:37,353 --> 01:07:41,289
is that a lot of the names
on that list are
young African-Americans.
761
01:07:41,324 --> 01:07:42,857
So in the African-American
community,
762
01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:45,226
there were some rumblings that,
763
01:07:45,261 --> 01:07:48,329
"Oh, well, this list
is just another example
of racial profiling."
764
01:09:16,285 --> 01:09:18,486
[Hill] We don't have
the personal capacity
765
01:09:18,521 --> 01:09:20,321
to keep in touch
with millions of people,
766
01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:21,556
thousands of people.
767
01:09:21,591 --> 01:09:22,757
Social media does.
768
01:09:22,792 --> 01:09:24,292
And it's a double-edged sword
769
01:09:24,327 --> 01:09:26,360
of, how do we try
to navigate that?
770
01:09:26,395 --> 01:09:30,298
And I think the state and the
police are fully aware of this.
771
01:09:30,333 --> 01:09:33,568
I think, ultimately,
they're gonna be
one step ahead.
772
01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:36,604
They're gonna know exactly
how to batten down,
773
01:09:36,639 --> 01:09:39,640
or how to limit,
for example,
774
01:09:39,675 --> 01:09:41,742
thousands of people
attending a demonstration.
775
01:09:41,777 --> 01:09:44,412
"Oh, let's just
cut off all their invites.
776
01:09:44,447 --> 01:09:47,448
"Let's just not let it be
imprinted on social media.
777
01:09:47,483 --> 01:09:51,219
"Let's affect the algorithm
to who is sending
what messages,
778
01:09:51,254 --> 01:09:52,853
who is posting what," right?
There's no...
779
01:09:52,888 --> 01:09:54,855
For us, we use it
with the intention of,
780
01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:57,692
"We don't care."
They're gonna know anyway,
781
01:09:57,727 --> 01:09:59,660
so we organize openly.
782
01:09:59,695 --> 01:10:02,363
But, practically, I think
it's a really worrying thing,
783
01:10:02,398 --> 01:10:04,932
because we have no way to
monitor what they're doing,
784
01:10:04,967 --> 01:10:07,902
and we have no idea
of the scope in which
785
01:10:07,937 --> 01:10:11,239
the powers they have,
and the technology they have
786
01:10:11,274 --> 01:10:13,441
in terms of mass surveillance
and databases.
787
01:10:29,625 --> 01:10:34,362
[man] What we started with
was a man found in an alleyway
shot, no witnesses.
788
01:10:34,397 --> 01:10:37,765
So that's all the information
we had to start with.
789
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,668
What we were able to do
is find the crime,
790
01:10:40,703 --> 01:10:43,671
go back in time,
see what happened.
791
01:10:43,706 --> 01:10:48,443
These three cars right here,
are all involved in this murder.
792
01:11:00,723 --> 01:11:03,557
We do what's known as
"wide area surveillance."
793
01:11:03,592 --> 01:11:06,060
So we watch major cities
at a time.
794
01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:09,930
We take a very high-resolution
image of a whole city
795
01:11:09,965 --> 01:11:14,335
every second, process it to
make it look like Google Earth,
796
01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:17,371
and it allows us to go
back in time and see
797
01:11:17,406 --> 01:11:20,675
what happened within a city
up to about real time.
798
01:11:22,545 --> 01:11:27,014
Well, because we capture
a major part of the city
799
01:11:27,049 --> 01:11:29,450
at enough resolution,
we can look at a location
800
01:11:29,485 --> 01:11:31,652
where a crime occurred,
801
01:11:31,687 --> 01:11:33,888
that we didn't know it
was going to occur,
802
01:11:33,923 --> 01:11:37,358
see what happened and follow
the vehicles and the people
803
01:11:37,393 --> 01:11:38,726
to and from the crime scene.
804
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:43,497
It is a very powerful tool.
805
01:11:43,532 --> 01:11:45,433
This may sound like
science-fiction,
806
01:11:45,468 --> 01:11:46,934
but it's pretty
straightforward.
807
01:11:48,904 --> 01:11:52,440
So, what we're gonna do is,
I'll just show you here,
808
01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:56,944
this is a city, we're flying
at about 13... 12,000 feet.
809
01:11:56,979 --> 01:12:00,648
And we're able to zoom in
anywhere within that area.
810
01:12:00,683 --> 01:12:04,886
And what we'll do is
we'll see when a female
police officer leaves her house.
811
01:12:06,555 --> 01:12:09,090
She is right here.
812
01:12:09,125 --> 01:12:12,693
This car here is a lookout car
watching her.
813
01:12:12,728 --> 01:12:16,564
And then there's three other
vehicles right up here.
814
01:12:16,599 --> 01:12:20,735
So, here she actually
leaves her house right here.
815
01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:23,971
And immediately following,
the blue car takes off
816
01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:25,973
and tries to catch up to her.
817
01:12:26,008 --> 01:12:30,044
She slows down and then rounds
the corner, and then guns it.
818
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:34,148
She gets around this
corner before the blue car
gets around that corner.
819
01:12:34,183 --> 01:12:39,086
And then she gets around
this corner, and the blue car
actually gets lost.
820
01:12:39,121 --> 01:12:43,557
Unfortunately, these other
three vehicles up here saw her,
821
01:12:43,592 --> 01:12:46,994
and they're actually able
to catch up to her.
822
01:12:47,029 --> 01:12:49,864
So, here she is, she's slowed
down by another vehicle.
823
01:12:49,899 --> 01:12:52,767
And she gets caught behind this.
824
01:12:52,802 --> 01:12:56,003
You get a vehicle that just
backs out in front of her here.
825
01:12:56,038 --> 01:12:59,407
We couldn't tell if he was
directly involved or not.
826
01:12:59,442 --> 01:13:04,178
But, unfortunately, that gave
these other guys time
to catch up to her.
827
01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,747
And they catch up
to her right here.
828
01:13:06,782 --> 01:13:11,018
And she is shot six times
in the head and shoulders.
829
01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:14,522
And she's actually gonna
run right into that
parked car there.
830
01:13:14,557 --> 01:13:18,859
And that is where she is found
by the police in a few minutes.
831
01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:24,799
And then what we do
is we follow those vehicles
as they flee the scene.
832
01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:29,570
And here you can see they're
passing people on the right
and on the left.
833
01:13:29,605 --> 01:13:35,009
Now we're actually able to
follow two of those vehicles
to final end points.
834
01:13:35,044 --> 01:13:37,678
So within a few minutes
after the murder,
835
01:13:37,713 --> 01:13:40,247
we actually have
two locations identified.
836
01:13:40,282 --> 01:13:42,082
Then what we do,
is we come in
837
01:13:42,117 --> 01:13:44,585
and we'll actually go
into Google Earth
838
01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:46,987
to actually
identify the houses,
839
01:13:47,022 --> 01:13:48,790
and feed that information
into law enforcement.
840
01:13:51,126 --> 01:13:53,994
And we'll actually get
the front door picture
841
01:13:54,029 --> 01:13:56,163
of the house that he went into.
842
01:13:56,198 --> 01:13:59,133
We'll take that image
and send it forward
to the police officers,
843
01:13:59,168 --> 01:14:01,068
so they know which door
to knock on.
844
01:14:10,713 --> 01:14:12,746
[man] At some point I have
stopped thinking about
845
01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:16,217
who might know and who might
store what about me,
846
01:14:16,252 --> 01:14:18,786
why, and since when.
847
01:14:18,821 --> 01:14:22,523
Probably because it doesn't
make a difference anyway.
848
01:14:22,558 --> 01:14:25,993
It's like with Hollywood,
computer games, and television.
849
01:14:26,028 --> 01:14:29,964
Everything is inextricably
interwoven with reality.
850
01:14:29,999 --> 01:14:34,068
Reality being just the
medium of the basic code.
851
01:14:34,103 --> 01:14:39,306
Zero, one, like, don't like,
buy, don't buy,
852
01:14:39,341 --> 01:14:42,176
guilty, not guilty.
853
01:14:42,211 --> 01:14:46,848
Just to remind you,
code has no conscience.
854
01:15:07,803 --> 01:15:09,136
You know what was fun?
855
01:15:11,807 --> 01:15:15,076
Like I told you,
I lost a best friend.
856
01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:18,846
When I say a best friend,
a brother.
857
01:15:20,182 --> 01:15:22,917
I watched them sweep
his murder under the rug
858
01:15:22,952 --> 01:15:24,785
like it didn't mean shit.
859
01:15:26,255 --> 01:15:30,190
But it got put through
a $2 million...
860
01:15:30,225 --> 01:15:32,726
test that said I was a killer.
861
01:15:32,761 --> 01:15:34,662
[cell phone rings]
862
01:15:36,332 --> 01:15:37,932
[groans]
863
01:15:39,168 --> 01:15:41,702
My friend was 18
when he got killed.
864
01:15:43,038 --> 01:15:47,141
He got a son right now
that I still look after.
865
01:15:47,176 --> 01:15:50,678
That little boy actually
think I'm his dad.
866
01:15:50,713 --> 01:15:52,547
And I don't know.
867
01:15:54,183 --> 01:15:56,017
It's wrong.
It's just...
868
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:58,619
it's too much.
869
01:17:39,121 --> 01:17:42,356
[man] If policing is going
to use software to predict
870
01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:44,358
what these people
do in the future,
871
01:17:44,393 --> 01:17:47,995
it's assuming that certain
people with a certain history
872
01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:49,730
are going to do certain things.
873
01:17:49,765 --> 01:17:52,099
And that's just not
necessarily the case,
874
01:17:52,134 --> 01:17:54,768
because humans can change
according to what support
875
01:17:54,803 --> 01:17:58,439
and what personal decisions
they make
according to that support.
876
01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:02,810
But, again, it's a metaphor
for that, but it's also...
it's what policing is.
877
01:18:02,845 --> 01:18:04,178
Policing is not preventative.
878
01:18:04,213 --> 01:18:07,748
It's not just
in any kind of way.
879
01:18:07,783 --> 01:18:12,186
And so it's just there
as a punishing mechanism.
880
01:18:12,221 --> 01:18:15,389
As a criminalizing mechanism,
and as a punishing mechanism.
881
01:18:19,328 --> 01:18:21,061
[Smurf]
You know what's funny, yeah?
882
01:18:21,096 --> 01:18:22,830
There's a funny thing, man...
883
01:18:22,865 --> 01:18:27,334
A little story that's quite
disgusting, actually.
884
01:18:27,369 --> 01:18:29,770
Because you see how they're
restricting so many things
885
01:18:29,805 --> 01:18:33,240
that we're able to do
and not able to do.
886
01:18:33,275 --> 01:18:36,810
Music is one of them.
Music is one of them.
887
01:18:36,845 --> 01:18:40,347
'Cause I've got a cousin
who knows people
888
01:18:40,382 --> 01:18:45,786
who did a crime
where someone got murdered,
889
01:18:45,821 --> 01:18:48,522
and he made a music video.
890
01:18:48,557 --> 01:18:51,024
And in his lyrics,
891
01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:53,227
he was mentioning stuff
about the crime.
892
01:18:53,262 --> 01:18:55,395
Even though he didn't
commit the crime,
893
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:59,433
he mentioned something about it.
And do you know what?
894
01:18:59,468 --> 01:19:05,105
He got sent to prison
for six years just for
the lyrics in the video.
895
01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:07,541
And he got banned from rapping.
Do you know what I'm saying?
896
01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:10,544
Because, obviously, music is our
way of expressing ourselves.
897
01:19:10,579 --> 01:19:15,516
That's the only way that we know
how to express ourselves
and communicate, really.
898
01:19:15,551 --> 01:19:19,052
Do you know what I'm saying?
Just to express yourself.
899
01:19:19,087 --> 01:19:22,923
And that's... that's...
I think that's disgusting.
900
01:19:22,958 --> 01:19:24,892
They're leaving us
with no other option.
901
01:19:36,505 --> 01:19:40,507
I've been told they started off
a couple months ago with
400, but now skip to 1,500.
902
01:19:40,542 --> 01:19:42,943
That's a big number.
903
01:19:42,978 --> 01:19:45,179
You just made 1,100 more
criminals right there.
904
01:19:45,214 --> 01:19:47,147
So, now, who is that good for?
905
01:19:47,182 --> 01:19:49,516
Is it good for the streets
or is it good for the police?
906
01:19:49,551 --> 01:19:52,452
You got more criminals
to lock up.
You got more cases to solve.
907
01:19:52,487 --> 01:19:55,189
You got-- see what I'm saying?
You got more product.
908
01:19:55,224 --> 01:19:57,191
[sirens]
[radio chatter]
909
01:20:01,163 --> 01:20:05,933
You want to build a system,
build a system that helps me
get up out of this.
910
01:20:05,968 --> 01:20:08,635
Help me go to school, help me
go off and start a business.
911
01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:11,071
That's what I say, like,
even with this pre-crime stuff,
912
01:20:11,106 --> 01:20:13,907
I try to just stay focused,
work, stay out of harm's way,
913
01:20:13,942 --> 01:20:17,010
stay away from anything
that's negative.
914
01:20:17,045 --> 01:20:21,415
And just try to prosper,
try to be better
than I was yesterday.
915
01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:23,517
I could have let it
turn me into thug.
916
01:20:23,552 --> 01:20:26,019
I could have said things,
just went off
917
01:20:26,054 --> 01:20:27,521
and let people's images
change me.
918
01:20:27,556 --> 01:20:31,024
But to me, personally,
that's not me.
919
01:20:31,059 --> 01:20:32,659
I'm not gonna let you
change me because you got
920
01:20:32,694 --> 01:20:35,596
a theory about me, or that's
just your personal view.
921
01:20:35,631 --> 01:20:38,365
At the end of the day,
I can always prove you wrong.
922
01:20:46,909 --> 01:20:49,643
[Caluris] We're on our third
version right now.
923
01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:52,479
The system, we've been in place
now for about three years,
924
01:20:52,514 --> 01:20:55,582
so we've done
regression studies to look at
925
01:20:55,617 --> 01:20:57,317
the different variables
we put in
926
01:20:57,352 --> 01:21:00,454
and be able to test it out
over past data sets
927
01:21:00,489 --> 01:21:03,690
to make sure that those factors
that we're weighing
are effective.
928
01:21:03,725 --> 01:21:06,026
However, I don't think
we're ever gonna reach
929
01:21:06,061 --> 01:21:09,162
a final conclusion with
the program or the initiative,
930
01:21:09,197 --> 01:21:12,699
'cause we're continually
looking to re-evaluate it
931
01:21:12,734 --> 01:21:14,968
and be able to add
in additional data
932
01:21:15,003 --> 01:21:17,170
and additional variables
that could play
933
01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:19,506
an additional significant role
towards positive outcomes.
934
01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:21,876
[distant police sirens]
935
01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:28,515
[Gorner] That's just an example
of the efforts that our city
936
01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,585
is trying to make
to fight the violence,
937
01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:33,921
just trying to come
up with creative ideas
938
01:21:33,956 --> 01:21:38,458
in fighting it,
and are there potential
civil rights violations there?
939
01:21:38,493 --> 01:21:40,093
Well, there's always
that concern.
940
01:21:40,128 --> 01:21:43,630
Um, especially, like I said
with this history,
941
01:21:43,665 --> 01:21:49,203
with the deeply rooted
distrust between the police
and minority communities.
942
01:22:00,315 --> 01:22:04,184
See, my story might
not mean shit to nobody,
because it wasn't you.
943
01:22:04,219 --> 01:22:06,586
But what about when
they got your son,
944
01:22:06,621 --> 01:22:10,090
when they got your daughter,
your child... when it's you?
945
01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:13,260
Now it's a problem.
946
01:22:13,295 --> 01:22:16,596
Now everybody want to make
it seem like okay, let's kill.
947
01:22:16,631 --> 01:22:20,067
It don't affect nobody until
it come knocking on your door.
948
01:22:43,492 --> 01:22:47,394
[Ferguson] So right now I think
people are willingly
giving up this information.
949
01:22:47,429 --> 01:22:49,596
Not just what you're
giving up on the internet,
950
01:22:49,631 --> 01:22:52,599
but as we move into a world
of the internet of things.
951
01:22:52,634 --> 01:22:55,068
Your smart house will
reveal when you've left
for the day,
952
01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:58,338
when you take your shower,
what temperature your bath is.
953
01:22:58,373 --> 01:23:00,307
And your television
can listen to you,
954
01:23:00,342 --> 01:23:02,542
your car will be able to monitor
where you're going
955
01:23:02,577 --> 01:23:05,245
if you have like
an OnStar system
that tells you where to go.
956
01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,447
Your cell phone knows all those
things and what you're doing
957
01:23:07,482 --> 01:23:09,316
and the conversations
going on.
958
01:23:09,351 --> 01:23:12,452
Like, we're just giving up
this data to private companies
959
01:23:12,487 --> 01:23:15,022
in a way where we're not
really thinking about
the consequences.
960
01:23:15,057 --> 01:23:18,392
We're not thinking about
what these data trails mean.
961
01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:22,295
And for law enforcement,
you could see just how valuable
that information would be.
962
01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:25,032
Why do you have to drink
cold coffee in a hot car
963
01:23:25,067 --> 01:23:27,434
surveilling some guy,
when you could just
use the internet of things
964
01:23:27,469 --> 01:23:29,302
to track them
all the way through, right?
965
01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:33,206
This is the new world.
And right now,
the policy makers
966
01:23:33,241 --> 01:23:35,842
and even the lawyers,
haven't really thought
through the consequences.
967
01:23:35,877 --> 01:23:38,211
They haven't figured out
how does the Fourth Amendment
adapt?
968
01:23:38,246 --> 01:23:39,780
How do privacy laws adapt?
969
01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:43,817
How do laws that we have
about telephone technology
970
01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:47,120
apply in a world
where suddenly your watch
971
01:23:47,155 --> 01:23:49,222
is talking to the world
and giving them your heartbeat,
972
01:23:49,257 --> 01:23:50,657
and the rest of it, right?
973
01:23:50,692 --> 01:23:52,526
We just haven't
figured that out yet.
974
01:23:52,561 --> 01:23:55,395
And it's important, I think,
to ask these questions now.
975
01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:58,231
I think we're at the
very beginning of a very
big conversation
976
01:23:58,266 --> 01:24:00,534
about what we should do
with this new data.
977
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:07,434
[man] Robert still has
a score of 215.
978
01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:11,438
Smurf has left Tottenham.
979
01:25:11,473 --> 01:25:15,375
The internet is
ever-learning and evolving.
980
01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:19,680
Observes, surveys,
collects, saves.
981
01:25:21,383 --> 01:25:24,151
"Above the city,"
as a friend wrote to me,
982
01:25:24,186 --> 01:25:26,620
"the sky is the color
of a television
983
01:25:26,655 --> 01:25:28,555
tuned to a dead channel."
984
01:25:30,625 --> 01:25:34,327
Time to say farewell
and go back home.
985
01:25:34,362 --> 01:25:38,465
Back to my smartphone,
my IP address, my emails,
986
01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:42,669
my bookmarks, my Twitter
account, my Facebook timeline.
987
01:25:44,539 --> 01:25:46,607
Welcome to the Matrix.
988
01:25:49,444 --> 01:25:51,345
[rock music]
82048
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