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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:47,547 --> 00:00:49,881 [man] The term "pre-crime" comes from this movie, 2 00:00:49,916 --> 00:00:53,819 Minority Report, in which a prediction is being made 3 00:00:53,854 --> 00:00:57,222 about something an individual has not yet done 4 00:00:57,257 --> 00:01:01,626 but is going to do, and a preemptive arrest is made 5 00:01:01,661 --> 00:01:04,663 of someone before they've performed the act. 6 00:01:17,711 --> 00:01:20,512 [man 2] If you would have asked me 37 years ago 7 00:01:20,547 --> 00:01:23,882 if we would have gunshot detection or video cameras in neighborhoods 8 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:26,418 or be able to predict where crimes occur, 9 00:01:26,453 --> 00:01:28,087 I would have said you're crazy. 10 00:01:31,224 --> 00:01:32,757 [man 3] It's not aiming to a certain future, 11 00:01:32,792 --> 00:01:34,626 the future is already in the present right now. 12 00:01:34,661 --> 00:01:38,130 It's the securitization of our society. 13 00:01:40,467 --> 00:01:43,168 [man 4] I have no idea what the next five or ten years 14 00:01:43,203 --> 00:01:47,372 is going to mean to law enforcement in terms of technology advancement. 15 00:01:49,276 --> 00:01:51,543 Just looking at where we've come so far, 16 00:01:51,578 --> 00:01:53,345 it's gonna be mind-boggling. 17 00:02:02,856 --> 00:02:06,492 [man 5] Can we predict an actual crime event before it occurs? 18 00:02:18,205 --> 00:02:20,172 [waves crashing] 19 00:02:44,898 --> 00:02:47,265 [man] When I heard of this story for the first time, 20 00:02:47,300 --> 00:02:50,235 I thought, "Now it's finally happening." 21 00:02:50,270 --> 00:02:53,438 Hollywood has eventually merged with real life. 22 00:02:53,473 --> 00:02:56,274 Software that predicts where and when 23 00:02:56,309 --> 00:02:59,811 the next crime occurs, police that arrive at the crime scene 24 00:02:59,846 --> 00:03:01,746 before the perpetrator, 25 00:03:01,781 --> 00:03:05,517 computers that generate lists with tomorrow's murders. 26 00:03:07,254 --> 00:03:09,688 Pre-crime, they call it. 27 00:03:12,359 --> 00:03:15,760 A friend writes to me, "There's something foreign 28 00:03:15,795 --> 00:03:18,763 "looming on the horizon, and we can only guess 29 00:03:18,798 --> 00:03:21,333 that it will shape us entirely one day." 30 00:03:26,740 --> 00:03:28,807 [distant police sirens] 31 00:03:41,421 --> 00:03:44,823 [man 2] Our strategic subject, list, or it's called the SSL, 32 00:03:44,858 --> 00:03:48,293 is a system that we worked with a professor 33 00:03:48,328 --> 00:03:50,262 from the Illinois Institute of Technology, 34 00:03:50,297 --> 00:03:52,297 an academic partner here in Chicago, 35 00:03:52,332 --> 00:03:56,401 to be able to assess and analyze those people 36 00:03:56,436 --> 00:03:59,704 that are at the greatest risk of being a party to violence. 37 00:03:59,739 --> 00:04:02,674 The system is able to prioritize and tell us 38 00:04:02,709 --> 00:04:04,976 those individuals that we really have to focus on, 39 00:04:05,011 --> 00:04:08,613 to work with to try to prevent that violence. 40 00:04:08,648 --> 00:04:11,716 When you have so many different data sets, 41 00:04:11,751 --> 00:04:15,887 or you have so many cameras to watch, which ones do we watch? 42 00:04:15,922 --> 00:04:19,991 Social media, right? So many different social media communications out there. 43 00:04:20,026 --> 00:04:21,960 How do you know what to concentrate on? 44 00:04:21,995 --> 00:04:24,062 That's what our predictive aspect towards 45 00:04:24,097 --> 00:04:26,031 that strategic subject list, that's what it does. 46 00:04:52,492 --> 00:04:55,894 [man] They experimented with it a little bit in 2012. 47 00:04:55,929 --> 00:04:58,897 2013 is really when it took off. 48 00:04:58,932 --> 00:05:02,334 They came-- the police department came up with, 49 00:05:02,369 --> 00:05:07,005 um, more than 400 names of people who fit that bill. 50 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:10,408 Individuals who were most likely to be prone to violence, 51 00:05:10,443 --> 00:05:12,510 either as a victim or a perpetrator. 52 00:05:12,545 --> 00:05:16,114 Each of the 22 police districts came up with 20 names. 53 00:05:16,149 --> 00:05:20,051 And they were chosen, I don't know the science of it, 54 00:05:20,086 --> 00:05:24,889 but it was all through mathematical algorithms, basically. 55 00:05:24,924 --> 00:05:27,625 And it didn't have anything to do so much with 56 00:05:27,660 --> 00:05:30,161 them being hardened criminals as much as it had 57 00:05:30,196 --> 00:05:33,031 to do with, "Who are they arrested with?" 58 00:05:44,043 --> 00:05:45,944 [mutters indistinctly] 59 00:06:14,841 --> 00:06:16,975 [doorbell rings] 60 00:06:17,010 --> 00:06:19,911 [dog barking] 61 00:06:19,946 --> 00:06:21,980 -Mr. Robert McDaniel? -Yes. 62 00:06:22,015 --> 00:06:24,649 Hi, I'm Commander West and I am with 63 00:06:24,684 --> 00:06:26,951 the 15th District Chicago Police Department. 64 00:06:26,986 --> 00:06:28,620 -May we come in? -Yes. 65 00:06:38,131 --> 00:06:40,532 [Gorner] Like, take Robert McDaniel, for example. 66 00:06:40,567 --> 00:06:42,901 He was not a hardened criminal. 67 00:06:42,936 --> 00:06:46,771 He had been arrested for many minor offenses, 68 00:06:46,806 --> 00:06:50,508 like gambling, shooting dice, or smoking marijuana. 69 00:06:50,543 --> 00:06:53,912 Minor offenses, but the people who he was arrested with 70 00:06:53,947 --> 00:06:56,114 during those crimes, some of them, 71 00:06:56,149 --> 00:06:59,150 or least one of them, was a victim of violence. 72 00:06:59,185 --> 00:07:02,454 So, the logic was is that, well, Robert belongs 73 00:07:02,489 --> 00:07:06,458 on the list because he has a relationship with somebody 74 00:07:06,493 --> 00:07:09,060 who's been a victim of violence, 75 00:07:09,095 --> 00:07:11,797 because he's been arrested with that person before. 76 00:07:22,675 --> 00:07:26,644 [man] I was unemployed, a school dropout. 77 00:07:26,679 --> 00:07:30,281 It was either go get work or sell drugs in the street, 78 00:07:30,316 --> 00:07:32,083 and selling drugs wasn't for me. 79 00:07:32,118 --> 00:07:34,152 I tried to put myself... 80 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:36,955 I tried to get my GED. That didn't work. 81 00:07:36,990 --> 00:07:40,892 And in the midst of me trying to get my GED, 82 00:07:40,927 --> 00:07:46,064 I started getting followed home, started having police officers 83 00:07:46,099 --> 00:07:49,300 walk up on me, ride up on me, saying my name, government name, 84 00:07:49,335 --> 00:07:53,304 where I had been and... just things like that. 85 00:07:53,339 --> 00:07:58,776 Then... I had Miss Officer West 86 00:07:58,811 --> 00:08:02,113 and a social worker-- I can't remember his name, 87 00:08:02,148 --> 00:08:06,518 but they had stopped at my home, they stopped at my house 88 00:08:06,553 --> 00:08:11,756 and subpoenaed me, told me that I was put through some type of test, 89 00:08:11,791 --> 00:08:17,529 they're saying I was supposed to be eligible to shoot somebody or get myself shot. 90 00:08:17,564 --> 00:08:21,866 That I was put on the Heat List of 400 people in Chicago. 91 00:08:21,901 --> 00:08:25,603 Mr. McDaniel, as part of our violent reduction strategy, 92 00:08:25,638 --> 00:08:31,075 our software has generated a list of potential criminals, actors, and victims. 93 00:08:31,110 --> 00:08:33,645 We are here today to inform you of the fact that 94 00:08:33,680 --> 00:08:37,815 our computers have placed you on the Heat List of the police department. 95 00:08:37,850 --> 00:08:42,287 Now, should you decide to continue to engage in criminal activity, 96 00:08:42,322 --> 00:08:45,223 you should know we're gonna charge you 97 00:08:45,258 --> 00:08:48,827 and we will prosecute you to the fullest extent of the law. 98 00:08:50,697 --> 00:08:55,066 [McDaniel] I guess we was associated or had friends 99 00:08:55,101 --> 00:08:56,568 that's supposed to be in the streets, 100 00:08:56,603 --> 00:08:58,036 or however the scenario go. 101 00:08:58,071 --> 00:08:59,804 But we was put through a test, 102 00:08:59,839 --> 00:09:01,272 and we supposed to came out the most... 103 00:09:01,307 --> 00:09:04,075 The, like, top 400 dangerous people in Chicago. 104 00:09:04,110 --> 00:09:05,810 Now, yet again, like I asked you, 105 00:09:05,845 --> 00:09:08,179 how can I be dangerous for smoking weed or shooting dice? 106 00:09:08,214 --> 00:09:09,648 Who does this hurt? 107 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,661 [Caluris] The timeline shows all the criminal activity 108 00:09:23,696 --> 00:09:25,396 that that person's associated with. 109 00:09:25,431 --> 00:09:27,699 If you see on the bottom, those are all interactions 110 00:09:27,734 --> 00:09:29,601 that he's had with the police. 111 00:09:29,636 --> 00:09:31,336 Either as an arrest, as a contact, 112 00:09:31,371 --> 00:09:33,371 as a victim, anything with it. 113 00:09:33,406 --> 00:09:36,107 So, you know, who he hangs with, you know where he's been, 114 00:09:36,142 --> 00:09:38,209 everything to do with him that we've documented 115 00:09:38,244 --> 00:09:40,144 through police interaction. 116 00:09:40,179 --> 00:09:43,281 Scroll down, please, whoever's got that. 117 00:09:43,316 --> 00:09:46,951 This shows-- this is what they'll compile and put together 118 00:09:46,986 --> 00:09:49,787 and get back out into the field within 15 minutes. 119 00:09:49,822 --> 00:09:54,425 So, if this person is the victim of a shooting or a violent crime, 120 00:09:54,460 --> 00:09:57,829 they'll pull up there, it's got their criminal history... 121 00:09:57,864 --> 00:09:59,764 That's associates... 122 00:09:59,799 --> 00:10:02,166 So everything you saw before was all the criminal history 123 00:10:02,201 --> 00:10:05,069 involved with that individual, so there's probably 124 00:10:05,104 --> 00:10:09,307 maybe about 25, 30 arrests that you saw on that subject. 125 00:10:09,342 --> 00:10:11,676 The associates, people that they're documented 126 00:10:11,711 --> 00:10:13,845 as having an affiliation with, 127 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:17,315 that's, again, a pretty comprehensive list. 128 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:19,751 Certainly, we can actually do even like a link analysis 129 00:10:19,786 --> 00:10:23,622 to be able to show how that network interacts. 130 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:59,157 The idea that you could essentially connect 131 00:10:59,192 --> 00:11:03,127 all of the data streams that government collects in different ways, 132 00:11:03,162 --> 00:11:05,396 everything from your arrest records, 133 00:11:05,431 --> 00:11:08,966 to your contacts, to your foreclosures, 134 00:11:09,001 --> 00:11:12,103 to your mental health records, to your social benefits, 135 00:11:12,138 --> 00:11:15,073 and put 'em in a particular computer database, 136 00:11:15,108 --> 00:11:18,476 and then be able to do link analysis where you connect a phone number 137 00:11:18,511 --> 00:11:23,081 from all the different sources and go out several links and be able to see the world, 138 00:11:23,116 --> 00:11:27,786 is something you would never imagine that is technologically possible now. 139 00:11:46,172 --> 00:11:48,840 [man] Let's summarize: 140 00:11:48,875 --> 00:11:53,712 Firstly, they are quite serious about fighting crime with algorithms. 141 00:11:56,015 --> 00:12:00,485 Secondly, Robert McDaniel is on the wrong side of the algorithm. 142 00:12:02,088 --> 00:12:04,856 Thirdly, apart from its developers, 143 00:12:04,891 --> 00:12:08,359 nobody knows how the algorithm behind the Heat List works. 144 00:12:08,394 --> 00:12:12,964 Fourthly, in 2016, statistically, 145 00:12:12,999 --> 00:12:18,002 2.0876 people are killed every day in Chicago. 146 00:12:22,408 --> 00:12:27,145 How does an algorithm that promises safety actually work? 147 00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:53,051 [distant police sirens] 148 00:16:24,617 --> 00:16:26,617 [man] We've been using predictive policing 149 00:16:26,652 --> 00:16:29,420 in Kent now for three years. 150 00:16:29,455 --> 00:16:31,455 And we use a system called PredPol. 151 00:16:31,490 --> 00:16:37,428 This is a system that is predominantly a patrol strategy for us. 152 00:16:37,463 --> 00:16:42,500 So it tells our officers where the high-risk areas are today, 153 00:16:42,535 --> 00:16:47,204 and they go to those areas and carry out their duties as they normally would. 154 00:16:47,239 --> 00:16:51,542 We find the system is very adaptable, 155 00:16:51,577 --> 00:16:55,079 very easy for our officers to use. 156 00:16:55,114 --> 00:16:58,683 What we would describe as an operationally ready system. 157 00:17:10,896 --> 00:17:15,566 We've helped to develop PredPol, which is an American system, 158 00:17:15,601 --> 00:17:21,172 and we've played a large role in what PredPol looks like today. 159 00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:23,140 In terms of the future, we're looking at how we can 160 00:17:23,175 --> 00:17:26,110 protect against less tangible areas 161 00:17:26,145 --> 00:17:29,580 around organized crime and modern slavery, 162 00:17:29,615 --> 00:17:34,218 sexual crime, and protecting our borders. 163 00:17:34,253 --> 00:17:35,820 And that's the next big challenge for us, 164 00:17:35,855 --> 00:17:38,656 and we're working with PredPol around data fusion, 165 00:17:38,691 --> 00:17:42,626 and also with the home office, the government in the UK, 166 00:17:42,661 --> 00:17:47,865 to produce more and better predictive policing models. 167 00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:51,202 [waves crashing] 168 00:18:02,181 --> 00:18:04,748 [man] That's quite a remarkable list. 169 00:18:04,783 --> 00:18:06,917 Organized crime, 170 00:18:06,952 --> 00:18:11,322 human trafficking, sexual offenses, border security. 171 00:18:11,357 --> 00:18:15,159 An algorithm that targets criminals just as migrants. 172 00:18:16,595 --> 00:18:19,530 Question: what else does it target? 173 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:23,868 Question: who gets what kind of security? 174 00:18:25,437 --> 00:18:29,206 Question: who is protected by the algorithm 175 00:18:29,241 --> 00:18:30,842 and who isn't? 176 00:20:30,763 --> 00:20:33,764 [Johnson] What's embedded within the algorithm, within PredPol, 177 00:20:33,799 --> 00:20:35,633 is something called routine activity theory, 178 00:20:35,668 --> 00:20:38,669 which is-- as you know, we to tend to do the same things 179 00:20:38,704 --> 00:20:40,704 day in, day out, in the same way. 180 00:20:40,739 --> 00:20:42,506 You know, I go to the same supermarket, 181 00:20:42,541 --> 00:20:45,542 I tend to drive the same direction to that supermarket, 182 00:20:45,577 --> 00:20:48,879 even though I don't have to. I tend to go to the same bar. 183 00:20:48,914 --> 00:20:51,649 Um... criminals are the same, you know, 184 00:20:51,684 --> 00:20:54,718 they're creatures of habit, and they don't like to take risks. 185 00:20:54,753 --> 00:20:58,489 A lot of the theory and research within PredPol 186 00:20:58,524 --> 00:21:02,593 is based on some pretty heavy criminological research, 187 00:21:02,628 --> 00:21:04,762 most of it done in Europe that says, you know what? 188 00:21:04,797 --> 00:21:07,765 There's a lot around repeat behavior, 189 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:11,635 repeat behavior of victims as well as criminals. 190 00:21:11,670 --> 00:21:13,537 What we did initially with the system is give it, 191 00:21:13,572 --> 00:21:15,939 it was put through five years worth of crime data 192 00:21:15,974 --> 00:21:18,609 and three year's worth of antisocial behavior data. 193 00:21:18,644 --> 00:21:20,711 So if you think about how long we've had it in place now, 194 00:21:20,746 --> 00:21:23,047 that means we've got eight years of crime data in it 195 00:21:23,082 --> 00:21:26,750 and about six years of antisocial behavior data. 196 00:21:26,785 --> 00:21:30,454 We send data over on a daily basis 197 00:21:30,489 --> 00:21:34,725 and the data is analyzed, and then that is sent back to us 198 00:21:34,760 --> 00:21:38,562 in the form of Google Maps with red boxes on it. 199 00:21:38,597 --> 00:21:41,498 Those boxes represent the high-risk areas 200 00:21:41,533 --> 00:21:43,634 that we then say to our officers, 201 00:21:43,669 --> 00:21:46,304 "Get in the box and police what you see." 202 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,568 [Gorner] They have like a ranking system... 203 00:23:24,603 --> 00:23:28,806 which shows how many times more likely are they 204 00:23:28,841 --> 00:23:32,109 than the general population to be prone to violence. 205 00:23:32,144 --> 00:23:36,046 So, Robert had a rating of 215, 206 00:23:36,081 --> 00:23:38,482 which meant he's 215 times 207 00:23:38,517 --> 00:23:41,618 more likely to be prone to violence. 208 00:23:41,653 --> 00:23:45,522 But Robert wasn't... I mean, that paled in comparison 209 00:23:45,557 --> 00:23:47,891 to a number of other people on the list. 210 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:49,760 There were a lot of people on that list 211 00:23:49,795 --> 00:23:52,729 who were than 500 times more likely 212 00:23:52,764 --> 00:23:55,165 to be party to violence. 213 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:57,601 And, again, that's not because of their criminal history. 214 00:23:57,636 --> 00:24:00,037 That's because of the people they've been arrested with. 215 00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:03,974 [man on P.A.] Doors closing. 216 00:24:15,821 --> 00:24:18,589 [Ferguson] You know, so, this is what's really frightening, 217 00:24:18,624 --> 00:24:21,558 is that there are companies now scoring every citizen. 218 00:24:21,593 --> 00:24:23,293 And our political elections right now, 219 00:24:23,328 --> 00:24:25,629 the Republicans and Democrats are really doing 220 00:24:25,664 --> 00:24:28,098 this nanotargeting where they really are scoring 221 00:24:28,133 --> 00:24:31,235 families to the address, right? So that information's out there. 222 00:24:31,270 --> 00:24:33,570 It's not really out there whether they're a felon or not, 223 00:24:33,605 --> 00:24:34,938 but it is out there. 224 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:36,673 And so what the police here are doing, 225 00:24:36,708 --> 00:24:38,709 is they're literally just purchasing the information 226 00:24:38,744 --> 00:24:40,310 that other people already have. 227 00:24:40,345 --> 00:24:43,614 Now that scored society, of course, is frightening. 228 00:24:43,649 --> 00:24:46,550 Of course it's not just a privacy sense 229 00:24:46,585 --> 00:24:48,151 that you are giving out this information. 230 00:24:48,186 --> 00:24:50,787 It's about a government owning this information, right? 231 00:24:50,822 --> 00:24:52,689 This is a different situation. 232 00:24:52,724 --> 00:24:56,660 In America, we are pretty willing to let big companies 233 00:24:56,695 --> 00:24:59,863 like Google and Apple know pretty much everything about ourselves, 234 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:03,967 but we're more reluctant to have government, and that's a good line to draw. 235 00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:06,770 What's happening here is this sort of data convergence, 236 00:25:06,805 --> 00:25:08,772 where you're really seeing private companies 237 00:25:08,807 --> 00:25:11,575 collecting this information, and then essentially selling it 238 00:25:11,610 --> 00:25:14,878 or offering it through different services to law enforcement. 239 00:25:14,913 --> 00:25:16,547 And people do know that information. 240 00:25:16,582 --> 00:25:17,915 Even if the police don't have it, 241 00:25:17,950 --> 00:25:19,349 the private companies do have it, 242 00:25:19,384 --> 00:25:21,118 and that's part of where we are now 243 00:25:21,153 --> 00:25:23,587 as technology is collecting as much information 244 00:25:23,622 --> 00:25:25,256 about us as it can. 245 00:25:44,276 --> 00:25:48,345 [man] Facebook like, click, saved. 246 00:25:48,380 --> 00:25:52,182 We deliver the data which generates information about us 247 00:25:52,217 --> 00:25:55,619 that circulate on the internet until the next update 248 00:25:55,654 --> 00:25:59,656 creates yet another data set, and so on. 249 00:25:59,691 --> 00:26:02,392 Data mining endlessly. 250 00:26:02,427 --> 00:26:07,631 Somewhere fairly lost at the bottom of the digital food chain, 251 00:26:07,666 --> 00:26:10,167 there are people like Robert McDaniel. 252 00:26:11,403 --> 00:26:14,872 Privacy? What privacy? 253 00:34:45,550 --> 00:34:49,219 [man] Whenever someone fills out an application for a loan, 254 00:34:49,254 --> 00:34:51,821 they're going to be providing certain information. 255 00:34:51,856 --> 00:34:56,526 The Beware Software, they access databases 256 00:34:56,561 --> 00:34:59,295 from financial institutions, the courts, 257 00:34:59,330 --> 00:35:01,831 any type of loaning institutions. 258 00:35:01,866 --> 00:35:06,536 Beware has the ability to access all of those databases, simultaneously. 259 00:35:06,571 --> 00:35:09,873 So when a call comes in to our dispatch center 260 00:35:09,908 --> 00:35:14,677 and it is categorized as a life-threatening call or a in-progress crime, 261 00:35:14,712 --> 00:35:19,482 then-- and there's an address attached-- the Beware Software 262 00:35:19,517 --> 00:35:23,553 automatically searches all of these databases 263 00:35:23,588 --> 00:35:27,524 and then provides the operator in the real-time crime center, 264 00:35:27,559 --> 00:35:29,559 information specific to that address. 265 00:35:29,594 --> 00:35:32,328 People that have lived there, do live there, 266 00:35:32,363 --> 00:35:36,266 their cell phone numbers, prior addresses, associates. 267 00:35:36,301 --> 00:35:39,569 The other piece that Beware allows for 268 00:35:39,604 --> 00:35:42,872 is to research social media 269 00:35:42,907 --> 00:35:46,209 and to gather any type of information 270 00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:48,345 that might be in there in terms of threats. 271 00:35:50,715 --> 00:35:53,249 The theory behind Beware makes a lot of sense. 272 00:35:53,284 --> 00:35:55,251 If I was that police officer on the street 273 00:35:55,286 --> 00:35:57,487 and I was entering a house and I didn't know who lived there, 274 00:35:57,522 --> 00:35:59,589 I'd want all the information I could. 275 00:35:59,624 --> 00:36:02,759 But the problem is, if it's sourced through these data brokers, 276 00:36:02,794 --> 00:36:04,661 there just isn't really much accuracy. 277 00:36:04,696 --> 00:36:06,930 So, you might be arriving at a house, and the address alerts 278 00:36:06,965 --> 00:36:09,566 says "a dangerous place," that maybe somebody lives there. 279 00:36:09,601 --> 00:36:11,434 Maybe that dangerous person moved. 280 00:36:11,469 --> 00:36:13,836 The problem is accuracy. I mean, have you ever gotten 281 00:36:13,871 --> 00:36:17,307 the wrong catalog in the mail and, like, "Why did someone send me a particular catalog? 282 00:36:17,342 --> 00:36:18,908 I don't have children, why do I have it?" 283 00:36:18,943 --> 00:36:21,844 That's the inaccuracy that comes along with these 284 00:36:21,879 --> 00:36:23,479 data brokers, right? 285 00:36:23,514 --> 00:36:25,815 They don't need to be perfect, 286 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:29,186 because what they're really doing is trying to sell products to people. 287 00:36:39,731 --> 00:36:43,032 Well, if the algorithms used in the private sector 288 00:36:43,067 --> 00:36:45,568 have allowed them to become more successful 289 00:36:45,603 --> 00:36:49,305 in targeting their audience to sell product, 290 00:36:49,340 --> 00:36:52,475 then we should take advantage of that same algorithm 291 00:36:52,510 --> 00:36:54,410 that allows us to become more successful 292 00:36:54,445 --> 00:36:56,879 in law enforcement and preventing crime. 293 00:36:56,914 --> 00:36:59,216 [people chattering] 294 00:37:03,087 --> 00:37:05,688 [man] In the case of the Beware Software, 295 00:37:05,723 --> 00:37:10,326 I think the bad far outweighs any potential good. 296 00:37:10,361 --> 00:37:12,495 And I can see how in a perfect world, 297 00:37:12,530 --> 00:37:14,030 and if the software were perfect, 298 00:37:14,065 --> 00:37:17,634 it could help make police officers safer. 299 00:37:17,669 --> 00:37:21,537 The problem is, nothing is perfect. 300 00:37:21,572 --> 00:37:23,473 For instance, one of the things that the software 301 00:37:23,508 --> 00:37:25,408 company says that it looks at 302 00:37:25,443 --> 00:37:29,746 are postings on social media, such as Facebook and Twitter. 303 00:37:29,781 --> 00:37:33,583 There was one woman in another city who was flagged in the software 304 00:37:33,618 --> 00:37:36,953 for making comments on Twitter about rage. 305 00:37:36,988 --> 00:37:41,891 Rage has a very specific meaning in terms of anger, 306 00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:44,460 violence, but the rage she was talking about 307 00:37:44,495 --> 00:37:47,597 was a card game called "Rage" that had nothing to do 308 00:37:47,632 --> 00:37:51,501 with violence, or aggression, or anything like that. 309 00:37:51,536 --> 00:37:53,970 Yet she was flagged as being a possible problem 310 00:37:54,005 --> 00:37:56,939 because she had sent these messages about rage. 311 00:37:56,974 --> 00:38:00,443 And what if someone is making comments about that they don't trust the police? 312 00:38:00,478 --> 00:38:03,313 Is that gonna flag them as being a potential problem? 313 00:38:03,348 --> 00:38:08,951 So there are too many opportunities for the computer to get it wrong. 314 00:38:08,986 --> 00:38:12,422 And if they get it wrong coupled with a police department 315 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:15,725 that already is much more likely than other police departments 316 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,727 to shoot citizens, 317 00:38:17,762 --> 00:38:21,130 that's a recipe, potentially, for disaster. 318 00:38:21,165 --> 00:38:23,400 [waves crashing] 319 00:38:28,506 --> 00:38:32,008 [man] Taking up one question again. 320 00:38:32,043 --> 00:38:35,745 Why are we forcing these technologies upon ourselves? 321 00:38:37,548 --> 00:38:39,882 The Silicon Valleys of this world are making 322 00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:41,984 a lot of money with them, okay. 323 00:38:42,019 --> 00:38:47,390 We, the users, enjoy the comfort in Google land, fine. 324 00:38:47,425 --> 00:38:50,727 And that's it? 325 00:38:50,762 --> 00:38:54,530 What if the internet, fed by the permanent feedback of its users, 326 00:38:54,565 --> 00:38:58,101 already had its virtual awakening? 327 00:38:58,136 --> 00:39:01,704 What if it developed its own needs and interests? 328 00:39:01,739 --> 00:39:05,675 If it was always leading us to more convenient technologies 329 00:39:05,710 --> 00:39:09,145 because we pay for it with private data? 330 00:39:09,180 --> 00:39:12,015 What if freedom was just an illusion? 331 00:39:34,739 --> 00:39:37,640 [man] If we build a game, a city game, 332 00:39:37,675 --> 00:39:41,144 in which technology's in everything and you're a hacker, 333 00:39:41,179 --> 00:39:43,479 then you'll have a lot of control and a lot of power. 334 00:39:43,514 --> 00:39:45,014 So that was an interesting idea for us. 335 00:39:45,049 --> 00:39:46,582 So I started doing research. 336 00:39:46,617 --> 00:39:48,751 And we started looking at what existed already. 337 00:39:48,786 --> 00:39:52,221 And we started seeing that a lot of that technology was already out there. 338 00:39:52,256 --> 00:39:54,857 That it was technically almost feasible to do that. 339 00:39:54,892 --> 00:39:57,160 So instead of us trying to invent science-fiction, 340 00:39:57,195 --> 00:40:00,062 we started grounding our creation to reality. 341 00:40:00,097 --> 00:40:02,098 You know, we've all heard of big data, 342 00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:04,200 the notion that all those cameras, 343 00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:06,235 but also all those devices-- our phones, 344 00:40:06,270 --> 00:40:09,172 computers we use, the chips in our cars-- 345 00:40:09,207 --> 00:40:11,007 they're gathering our informations. 346 00:40:11,042 --> 00:40:13,643 Those informations are stored. We don't even know where. 347 00:40:13,678 --> 00:40:15,711 Oftentimes we accept that they get accumulated. 348 00:40:15,746 --> 00:40:18,881 And big data, it's a neutral technology. 349 00:40:18,916 --> 00:40:20,783 It can be used for good, it can be used for bad. 350 00:40:20,818 --> 00:40:23,886 We like calling it the digital shadow of people. 351 00:40:23,921 --> 00:40:26,789 You knew what was their earnings... 352 00:40:26,824 --> 00:40:29,058 you know, some important facts of their lives. 353 00:40:29,093 --> 00:40:31,060 And as you go around the game simulation, 354 00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:33,196 you could open what we called a profiler, 355 00:40:33,231 --> 00:40:34,797 which would tap in all those devices, 356 00:40:34,832 --> 00:40:36,599 do facial recognition and all that, 357 00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:38,234 and give you information on the citizens 358 00:40:38,269 --> 00:40:39,803 of our virtual Chicago. 359 00:40:52,183 --> 00:40:54,750 This is not a dystopian game. 360 00:40:54,785 --> 00:40:57,920 It happens in a little different version of our world. 361 00:40:57,955 --> 00:40:59,222 It's very much grounded in reality, 362 00:40:59,257 --> 00:41:01,257 but we turn the dial to 11 363 00:41:01,292 --> 00:41:03,226 and we say, "What if this happened?" 364 00:41:03,261 --> 00:41:05,962 And so it's not the dystopian reality, 365 00:41:05,997 --> 00:41:07,730 it's before the dystopian reality, 366 00:41:07,765 --> 00:41:09,466 when things can be done about it. 367 00:41:13,337 --> 00:41:16,105 [man] "Metropolitan Police, territorial police, 368 00:41:16,140 --> 00:41:19,509 "are working together for a safer London. 369 00:41:19,544 --> 00:41:23,279 "To who it may concern, the Metropolitan Police service 370 00:41:23,314 --> 00:41:24,881 "and all of its partners are committed 371 00:41:24,916 --> 00:41:26,782 "to reducing knife and gang crime. 372 00:41:26,817 --> 00:41:30,720 "Information indicates that you have, or are associated with, 373 00:41:30,755 --> 00:41:32,221 "a gang that is linked to crime. 374 00:41:32,256 --> 00:41:35,191 If you are involved in crime and do not stop..." 375 00:41:42,900 --> 00:41:45,568 "If you are involved in crime and do not stop, 376 00:41:45,603 --> 00:41:49,772 "you may be targeted by the police and partner agencies. 377 00:41:49,807 --> 00:41:54,076 "Under a piece of legalization called Joint Enterprise, 378 00:41:54,111 --> 00:41:57,146 "you may be convicted of a crime and sent to prison 379 00:41:57,181 --> 00:42:00,616 "for just being present when a serious crime is committed 380 00:42:00,651 --> 00:42:03,653 "or being with those persons who commit a crime 381 00:42:03,688 --> 00:42:06,255 "and you don't try to stop it. 382 00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:08,724 "You will need to change your lifestyle. 383 00:42:08,759 --> 00:42:10,159 We can help you to do this." 384 00:42:10,194 --> 00:42:11,761 [chuckles] 385 00:42:11,796 --> 00:42:15,064 "You can speak in confidence to a police officer 386 00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:19,569 "and/or contact any of the organizations listed at the end of this letter. 387 00:42:19,604 --> 00:42:21,871 "I would encourage you to speak to them, 388 00:42:21,906 --> 00:42:24,941 "as they can help you break any gang links. 389 00:42:24,976 --> 00:42:28,244 Yours sincerely, borough commander." 390 00:42:32,350 --> 00:42:34,083 That's some bullshit. 391 00:42:34,118 --> 00:42:36,118 Reading that letter just took me back 392 00:42:36,153 --> 00:42:39,055 to when I first received it. 393 00:42:39,090 --> 00:42:43,659 And it's funny, 'cause everybody that's in my circle, 394 00:42:43,694 --> 00:42:45,995 yeah, we all received that at the same time. 395 00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,735 You can't ever, ever let somebody tell you 396 00:42:52,770 --> 00:42:55,104 that you can't chill around somebody, 397 00:42:55,139 --> 00:42:57,607 you can't go to a certain area, you can't do certain things. 398 00:42:57,642 --> 00:43:01,143 Especially when these people are trying to bring us down. 399 00:43:01,178 --> 00:43:03,279 They put things like this into place just so that 400 00:43:03,314 --> 00:43:05,815 we can act up and-- do you know what I'm saying? 401 00:43:05,850 --> 00:43:08,217 Because what they don't realize, yeah-- 402 00:43:08,252 --> 00:43:10,920 actually, no, they do realize it. 403 00:43:10,955 --> 00:43:12,254 The police do realize it. 404 00:43:12,289 --> 00:43:14,056 They realize that we haven't got a voice. 405 00:43:14,091 --> 00:43:15,758 Do you know what I'm saying? 406 00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:18,194 It's like when you was in school once upon a time 407 00:43:18,229 --> 00:43:21,030 and you put your hand up to ask the teacher something 408 00:43:21,065 --> 00:43:24,767 or to answer a question, and the teacher don't point at you. 409 00:43:24,802 --> 00:43:27,903 And you get frustrated, do you know what I'm saying? You get frustrated. 410 00:43:27,938 --> 00:43:30,640 The teacher don't notice you until you get mad. 411 00:43:30,675 --> 00:43:32,742 That's the only time that they notice you. 412 00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:35,044 So that's how the mentality of us... 413 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:36,912 The only way that we can get our point across 414 00:43:36,947 --> 00:43:39,081 is by putting fear into people because that's the only time 415 00:43:39,116 --> 00:43:40,717 that they're willing to listen to us. 416 00:44:00,705 --> 00:44:02,071 [man] The doctrine of Joint Enterprise 417 00:44:02,106 --> 00:44:05,374 was actually brought in over 200 years ago 418 00:44:05,409 --> 00:44:09,245 to stop people encouraging duels. 419 00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:12,481 So, if two people were dueling, whether it's by pistols or swords, 420 00:44:12,516 --> 00:44:14,817 their seconds, who are there to support them, 421 00:44:14,852 --> 00:44:17,453 they can be done for joint enterprise 422 00:44:17,488 --> 00:44:19,021 if someone's killed. 423 00:44:19,056 --> 00:44:21,957 So that doctrine is not actually law. 424 00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:25,027 It is doctrine adopted by the courts. 425 00:44:25,062 --> 00:44:28,831 But it has an operational and tactical implication 426 00:44:28,866 --> 00:44:31,834 in terms of the Matrix. 427 00:44:31,869 --> 00:44:34,270 Um, the Matrix wasn't around when I was in the Met. 428 00:44:34,305 --> 00:44:36,005 I retired three years ago. 429 00:44:36,040 --> 00:44:40,443 But the Matrix is primarily an enforcement tool 430 00:44:40,478 --> 00:44:43,012 to be more proactive, 431 00:44:43,047 --> 00:44:47,183 to target those who are committing the crimes. 432 00:44:47,218 --> 00:44:50,986 Unfortunately, when you cast the net very wide, 433 00:44:51,021 --> 00:44:55,058 you are bringing in people who are not necessarily involved in gangs. 434 00:45:07,471 --> 00:45:10,940 [man] For whatever reason they called their database "Matrix." 435 00:45:10,975 --> 00:45:15,211 The name, however, seems like a bow to a technological system. 436 00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:20,750 The London Matrix works like the Heat List in Chicago. 437 00:45:20,785 --> 00:45:23,486 Identify individuals, connect them, 438 00:45:23,521 --> 00:45:26,222 detect patterns and social networks, 439 00:45:26,257 --> 00:45:30,559 calculate the statistical possibilities. 440 00:45:30,594 --> 00:45:35,364 Score people, issue warnings, keep an eye out. 441 00:45:37,334 --> 00:45:42,071 Question: is there an algorithm targeting corporate crime? 442 00:45:53,617 --> 00:45:56,952 [man] They sit there, they just wait, they just watch. 443 00:45:56,987 --> 00:46:00,589 They have unmarked cars on the block. 444 00:46:00,624 --> 00:46:03,826 And they post up on the sides somewhere they can't be seen, 445 00:46:03,861 --> 00:46:07,029 or they will have officers on foot in plain clothes 446 00:46:07,064 --> 00:46:09,198 to watch what we're doing, like walk around the area, 447 00:46:09,233 --> 00:46:10,366 see what's going on and that. 448 00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:15,070 They know who you chill around, they know who you're around, 449 00:46:15,105 --> 00:46:16,839 they know what you do 'cause they're watching, 450 00:46:16,874 --> 00:46:18,007 do you know what I'm saying? 451 00:46:18,042 --> 00:46:20,176 You can't really escape it. 452 00:46:25,616 --> 00:46:30,619 I'm doing an anti-gang project in a local area here in East London. 453 00:46:30,654 --> 00:46:35,524 I have clients who are saying, "I have never been involved in a gang." 454 00:46:35,559 --> 00:46:40,429 But the real issue is the subjectivity to get people 455 00:46:40,464 --> 00:46:43,332 on the criminal intelligence system, the criminal system. 456 00:46:43,367 --> 00:46:47,102 And then how that then goes into the Matrix, 457 00:46:47,137 --> 00:46:50,840 to then associate people in certain gangs, which are questionable. 458 00:46:50,875 --> 00:46:55,110 So that the thing is who's checking the data entry? 459 00:46:55,145 --> 00:46:58,948 Who's checking those officers who commit those data entries? 460 00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:03,619 [man] I don't see myself as a gang member. 461 00:47:03,654 --> 00:47:05,521 I'm not a gang member. 462 00:47:05,556 --> 00:47:08,591 I'm not a gang member, do you know what I'm saying? 463 00:47:08,626 --> 00:47:12,261 I'm just a part of a circle that... 464 00:47:12,296 --> 00:47:15,297 I'm just a part of a tight circle which always 465 00:47:15,332 --> 00:47:18,434 gets shined a dark light on, do you know what I mean? 466 00:47:18,469 --> 00:47:20,369 And always will by them. 467 00:47:30,214 --> 00:47:32,281 [man] If you tell them, "I'm not in a gang," 468 00:47:32,316 --> 00:47:34,083 they'll ask you, "What community are you from?" 469 00:47:34,118 --> 00:47:35,584 "Oh, I'm from the [inaudible]." 470 00:47:35,619 --> 00:47:37,419 "Okay, those are Body Snatchers over there. 471 00:47:37,454 --> 00:47:39,922 Those are Four Corner Hustlers. You a Four." 472 00:47:39,957 --> 00:47:43,359 How can you tell me what I am because of my address, because of where I stay? 473 00:47:43,394 --> 00:47:47,062 That's probably where I can only afford to live. That makes no sense. 474 00:47:47,097 --> 00:47:49,632 I just honestly believe they got a job to do, and they want to do it. 475 00:47:49,667 --> 00:47:52,034 If they gotta breed crime, if they gotta make criminals, 476 00:47:52,069 --> 00:47:55,204 if they gotta sit here and convince you that you're a criminal 477 00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,973 and provoke you to do it, they'll do it. 478 00:47:58,008 --> 00:48:02,611 Actually, I had a friend killed a couple months-- couple weeks prior to that. 479 00:48:02,646 --> 00:48:07,383 Only part I can say is, they labeled it a gang murder. 480 00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:11,353 Now, I guess that's how I got affiliated, 481 00:48:11,388 --> 00:48:13,689 'cause me and a person that was murdered was so close. 482 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:17,493 But other than that, I actually don't know. 483 00:48:17,528 --> 00:48:20,696 But like I said, I ain't did nothing that the next kid did. 484 00:48:34,044 --> 00:48:36,145 [woman] They haven't told us what the algorithm is 485 00:48:36,180 --> 00:48:38,280 that they're using to identify people. 486 00:48:38,315 --> 00:48:40,983 They haven't told us what that data is. 487 00:48:41,018 --> 00:48:43,319 And there's no way to get off the list, 488 00:48:43,354 --> 00:48:45,387 that we're aware of, once you're on it. 489 00:48:45,422 --> 00:48:49,525 So, that's scary to a lot of people. 490 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,661 It's frightening to not know how the list is created, 491 00:48:52,696 --> 00:48:55,230 or to be able to get off of it on the back end. 492 00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:58,033 And they can say that, you know, we're using math, 493 00:48:58,068 --> 00:49:00,102 we're using science as a way to do it. 494 00:49:00,137 --> 00:49:02,305 Math and science aren't always right. 495 00:49:05,609 --> 00:49:08,110 There's been reporting on these algorithms 496 00:49:08,145 --> 00:49:10,579 that are used in sentencing after trials, 497 00:49:10,614 --> 00:49:15,250 where people are given a number to predict whether or not 498 00:49:15,285 --> 00:49:18,320 they're gonna be more likely to engage in crime in the future. 499 00:49:18,355 --> 00:49:20,422 And that impacts their sentences. 500 00:49:20,457 --> 00:49:24,793 There's been recent reporting showing that those algorithms 501 00:49:24,828 --> 00:49:28,397 aren't accurate, and that they have a disparate impact on the basis of race. 502 00:49:28,432 --> 00:49:30,733 So, that's a danger of these algorithms 503 00:49:30,768 --> 00:49:33,435 and one of the reasons that we want the police department 504 00:49:33,470 --> 00:49:36,105 to be open about the factors that they're using, 505 00:49:36,140 --> 00:49:38,173 and the algorithms that they're using in this case, 506 00:49:38,208 --> 00:49:40,977 because it should be put to the test. 507 00:50:15,145 --> 00:50:17,813 [man] So, a police department first uploads their data. 508 00:50:17,848 --> 00:50:20,315 This is actually open data from Philadelphia. 509 00:50:20,350 --> 00:50:23,385 It's about 800,000 records. 510 00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:26,488 And a very important point in this software 511 00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:30,392 is telling the system how important each type of crime is to prevent. 512 00:50:30,427 --> 00:50:33,128 So, the harm created from a homicide is equivalent 513 00:50:33,163 --> 00:50:37,566 to $8.6 million in comparison to, let's say, the robbery, 514 00:50:37,601 --> 00:50:39,301 where it's like $67,000. 515 00:50:39,336 --> 00:50:41,837 So, the system needs to know that so it can know 516 00:50:41,872 --> 00:50:45,274 how to balance the use of resources, right? 517 00:50:45,309 --> 00:50:49,878 Is it more important to prevent a very frequent low-level crime, 518 00:50:49,913 --> 00:50:52,548 or a very infrequent high-level crime? 519 00:50:52,583 --> 00:50:54,083 And how to balance those things. 520 00:50:54,118 --> 00:50:56,285 And this is what basically defines that. 521 00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,121 So, that's all in the administrative interface, 522 00:50:59,156 --> 00:51:01,256 and then the officer just logs in 523 00:51:01,291 --> 00:51:05,627 and then sees this map of, in this case, 524 00:51:05,662 --> 00:51:09,598 the entire city, and officers in Philadelphia are assigned 525 00:51:09,633 --> 00:51:13,702 to particular patrol service areas. which are the black boundaries here. 526 00:51:13,737 --> 00:51:18,273 So, they look at the map and zoom in on the beat that they're in, 527 00:51:18,308 --> 00:51:23,112 and they see the boxes, and then the color of the box represents what is the focus. 528 00:51:23,147 --> 00:51:28,550 And the tactics is the recommendation from the algorithm, the model? 529 00:51:28,585 --> 00:51:30,419 From the software, yes. 530 00:51:30,454 --> 00:51:32,688 Which means that in some years, 531 00:51:32,723 --> 00:51:37,526 the machine learning tools will learn which kind of tactics 532 00:51:37,561 --> 00:51:39,928 work with which kind of situation. 533 00:51:39,963 --> 00:51:41,497 [man] Exactly, yes, yes. 534 00:51:52,342 --> 00:51:55,911 All data is biased, but police department data, 535 00:51:55,946 --> 00:51:59,915 incident data, has the potential to be biased in a number of different ways. 536 00:51:59,950 --> 00:52:02,851 And we cannot eliminate that bias, 537 00:52:02,886 --> 00:52:05,420 but we can potentially offset it to some extent 538 00:52:05,455 --> 00:52:07,389 by incorporating other data. 539 00:52:07,424 --> 00:52:10,292 We have a number of different components to the software. 540 00:52:10,327 --> 00:52:12,661 One is a planning component 541 00:52:12,696 --> 00:52:15,230 that someone can use at the police station. 542 00:52:15,265 --> 00:52:19,935 The second component of the software is a mobile version of the software 543 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:23,939 that can be in a car or other vehicle, and the police officer 544 00:52:23,974 --> 00:52:27,376 is able to see as the car moves around, 545 00:52:27,411 --> 00:52:32,148 are they inside one of these priority mission patrol areas. 546 00:52:34,885 --> 00:52:38,754 It's actually using the GPS from the tablet 547 00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:42,724 to track our location, and as we enter boxes 548 00:52:42,759 --> 00:52:45,594 it's going to update the display with information about them. 549 00:52:45,629 --> 00:52:49,865 So we actually are just driving through a box right now, which is about robberies. 550 00:52:49,900 --> 00:52:53,802 And if this was our final destination, we would start patrolling 551 00:52:53,837 --> 00:52:55,938 for about ten to 15 minutes in this area. 552 00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:59,474 It's still relatively unlikely for any crime 553 00:52:59,509 --> 00:53:01,643 to happen in that location at that time. 554 00:53:01,678 --> 00:53:04,379 It's just that this is the highest-risk location 555 00:53:04,414 --> 00:53:07,216 amongst all the choices that we have available, 556 00:53:07,251 --> 00:53:09,985 and so it's the best place for the officer to spend that free time. 557 00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,593 While we are positioning an officer in a particular place, 558 00:53:17,628 --> 00:53:19,595 which means that they're going to be paying attention 559 00:53:19,630 --> 00:53:23,865 to that place, that should not give them the authority 560 00:53:23,900 --> 00:53:27,336 to assume that anyone in that place is a criminal 561 00:53:27,371 --> 00:53:29,772 unless they see something that's actually criminal in nature. 562 00:54:39,943 --> 00:54:43,345 We have generally been very cautious about 563 00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:47,849 incorporating any kind of person-centric data into our models. 564 00:54:47,884 --> 00:54:51,086 We believe there's a number of substantial problems with this, 565 00:54:51,121 --> 00:54:53,722 whether it's privacy concern 566 00:54:53,757 --> 00:54:57,359 or just the accuracy of the actual modeling. 567 00:55:06,403 --> 00:55:08,570 We're not using surveillance data in HunchLab, 568 00:55:08,605 --> 00:55:11,473 but I think it's a key question that our societies need to be asking, 569 00:55:11,508 --> 00:55:14,042 and under what circumstances is it reasonable 570 00:55:14,077 --> 00:55:16,011 to take advantage of that kind of data? 571 00:55:33,463 --> 00:55:38,133 [man] Big data, we the users, and our privacy. 572 00:55:38,168 --> 00:55:41,536 Well, who could have imagined years ago 573 00:55:41,571 --> 00:55:45,741 that Google can algorithmically calculate what I will do tomorrow? 574 00:55:48,478 --> 00:55:53,048 Simultaneously, we activate things that were silent until now. 575 00:55:53,083 --> 00:55:56,084 Everything that once was quiet starts communicating 576 00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,654 with the world and sending our data to the internet. 577 00:55:59,689 --> 00:56:04,426 My toothbrush, my TV set, the chip under my skin, 578 00:56:04,461 --> 00:56:08,764 my fitness tracker, the toys of our children. 579 00:56:38,895 --> 00:56:42,197 [man] I was not aware of these kind of "technologies," 580 00:56:42,232 --> 00:56:46,067 quote unquote, being implemented by the police, et cetera. 581 00:56:46,102 --> 00:56:49,871 It's not particularly surprising, because the technological developments 582 00:56:49,906 --> 00:56:52,908 in terms of policing, be it domestic or globally, 583 00:56:52,943 --> 00:56:55,110 is developing all the time. 584 00:56:55,145 --> 00:56:57,078 And it's something that we're all privy to, 585 00:56:57,113 --> 00:56:58,747 we can all see it on our TV screens, 586 00:56:58,782 --> 00:57:00,248 especially when it comes to foreign policy 587 00:57:00,283 --> 00:57:03,218 and conflicts that the West are conducting abroad. 588 00:57:03,253 --> 00:57:04,953 How do I feel about it? 589 00:57:04,988 --> 00:57:07,122 I'm really concerned, because I work with 590 00:57:07,157 --> 00:57:09,925 a lot of young people and young adults and children 591 00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,862 who are, or have been, or will be, unfortunately, 592 00:57:13,897 --> 00:57:16,865 in the short term, most likely be involved in the criminal justice system, 593 00:57:16,900 --> 00:57:19,801 because they come from troubled backgrounds, 594 00:57:19,836 --> 00:57:22,971 or they're working class and they're black people. 595 00:57:23,006 --> 00:57:25,774 So, if you can use some kind of predictive technology 596 00:57:25,809 --> 00:57:28,577 and software to predict, 597 00:57:28,612 --> 00:57:31,012 according to what these people do in the future, 598 00:57:31,047 --> 00:57:34,049 it's not gonna predict anything particularly positive for them. 599 00:57:34,084 --> 00:57:36,485 But if you want to make money, software to have algorithms 600 00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:38,887 to give to the police, it's... 601 00:57:38,922 --> 00:57:42,090 it's indicative of how our society 602 00:57:42,125 --> 00:57:45,894 is progressing away from human solidarity 603 00:57:45,929 --> 00:57:49,498 and a human approach, to just squeezing people 604 00:57:49,533 --> 00:57:52,768 as hard as you can in any and every which way. 605 00:58:18,995 --> 00:58:20,262 [man 1] That's one camera over there. 606 00:58:20,297 --> 00:58:21,897 [man 2] Yeah. 607 00:58:21,932 --> 00:58:23,765 [man 1] Then there's one camera over there. 608 00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:27,235 There's one camera over there. 609 00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:29,671 -You see her? -Yeah. 610 00:58:29,706 --> 00:58:32,641 And then there's another camera just back there, you see? 611 00:58:32,676 --> 00:58:34,242 -Yeah. -Over there. 612 00:58:34,277 --> 00:58:36,711 And so three murders in the last year in the park. 613 00:58:36,746 --> 00:58:38,813 So, what the fuck are these cameras doing? 614 00:58:38,848 --> 00:58:41,116 Yeah, if they're not being used to solve murders, 615 00:58:41,151 --> 00:58:43,752 then obviously they've got some kind of different purpose. 616 00:58:43,787 --> 00:58:45,887 Why are they here? 617 00:58:45,922 --> 00:58:48,156 They hit a tick box, they say to people, "Oh, we're doing something." 618 00:58:48,191 --> 00:58:50,292 Yeah. And if you look at these cameras, 619 00:58:50,327 --> 00:58:52,961 they're not the kind of ordinary CCTV cameras. 620 00:58:52,996 --> 00:58:55,030 -They're sophisticated. -Definitely. 621 00:58:55,065 --> 00:58:57,299 [man 2] There's some kind of box attached to it. 622 00:58:57,334 --> 00:58:59,901 When you think about, three murders happening here 623 00:58:59,936 --> 00:59:03,038 right as kids play... it's crazy, man. 624 00:59:03,073 --> 00:59:06,041 This is where my son has played the last 11 years of his life. 625 00:59:06,076 --> 00:59:10,312 And that's why more incidents happen here than in do in, like, gated parks. 626 00:59:10,347 --> 00:59:12,380 that you can't get in. 627 00:59:12,415 --> 00:59:16,618 If you think about how small this park is and how many cameras there are, 628 00:59:16,653 --> 00:59:18,653 they've got full coverage of it. 629 00:59:18,688 --> 00:59:21,923 And so, you know, where these gang murders are happening, 630 00:59:21,958 --> 00:59:23,892 it's weird that they're not able to prevent them 631 00:59:23,927 --> 00:59:27,028 with all the intelligence they have. 632 00:59:27,063 --> 00:59:30,198 Stingray, triangulation, all this kind of stuff, 633 00:59:30,233 --> 00:59:32,901 I'm not surprised that it's on this scale, 634 00:59:32,936 --> 00:59:34,936 and I think there's actually, we probably don't know 635 00:59:34,971 --> 00:59:39,007 most of the kind of surveillance abilities they have. 636 00:59:39,042 --> 00:59:41,910 I think it's interesting that maybe some of the way 637 00:59:41,945 --> 00:59:44,779 that they experiment on gangs and the black communities 638 00:59:44,814 --> 00:59:48,416 is also sort of being used in political protests 639 00:59:48,451 --> 00:59:52,654 and political organization as a way of sort of pioneering it and developing it. 640 00:59:52,689 --> 00:59:55,056 I mean, of course, it's just reflective of the way 641 00:59:55,091 --> 00:59:58,059 in which police mainly target black males 642 00:59:58,094 --> 01:00:01,196 when it comes to crime and how they're disproportionately 643 01:00:01,231 --> 01:00:03,665 stopped and searched, how they're hard-stopped. 644 01:00:21,384 --> 01:00:23,818 [man] I could tell you about a time where I was 645 01:00:23,853 --> 01:00:26,254 in my auntie's square, just walking. 646 01:00:26,289 --> 01:00:28,690 I was literally just going to see my auntie. 647 01:00:30,126 --> 01:00:32,093 I was walking, and then I heard them. 648 01:00:32,128 --> 01:00:35,764 You know the slider doors on the van? 649 01:00:35,799 --> 01:00:37,699 I heard the slider door open. 650 01:00:37,734 --> 01:00:40,068 I wasn't really paying attention to what was behind me, 651 01:00:40,103 --> 01:00:42,170 but I heard that open and I heard footsteps. 652 01:00:42,205 --> 01:00:46,307 As soon as I turned around, boom, I'm being tackled to the floor 653 01:00:46,342 --> 01:00:49,678 and getting my face kicked in by four different officers, 654 01:00:49,713 --> 01:00:53,214 one female, three males, do you know what I'm saying? 655 01:00:53,249 --> 01:00:55,917 Obviously, they rushed me, they jumped me. 656 01:00:57,253 --> 01:00:59,054 I couldn't... I'm so excited, 657 01:00:59,089 --> 01:01:03,258 So I couldn't even see faces. I just started swinging. 658 01:01:03,293 --> 01:01:06,327 I punched a couple of them. 659 01:01:06,362 --> 01:01:09,230 At the station, they said if I admit to hitting a police officer 660 01:01:09,265 --> 01:01:10,765 they're gonna drop every other charge. 661 01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:12,167 And the other charges was, 662 01:01:12,202 --> 01:01:13,802 I matched the description of a robber. 663 01:01:13,837 --> 01:01:15,503 Young... [indistinct] 664 01:01:15,538 --> 01:01:17,772 hooded, blah, blah. 665 01:01:17,807 --> 01:01:21,443 This is Tottenham, breh. This is Tottenham. 666 01:01:21,478 --> 01:01:23,311 What else are you gonna see 667 01:01:23,346 --> 01:01:26,147 besides young [indistinct] in hoods? 668 01:01:26,182 --> 01:01:28,450 Hoods make us feel comfortable. This is how we dress. 669 01:01:28,485 --> 01:01:30,485 This is just the culture, do you know what I'm saying? 670 01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:34,423 There's a million other people... why me? 671 01:01:39,496 --> 01:01:42,764 And I resisted arrest. I resisted arrest, 672 01:01:42,799 --> 01:01:44,733 so they say they're gonna drop all the other charges 673 01:01:44,768 --> 01:01:48,136 if I admit to hitting a police officer. 674 01:01:48,171 --> 01:01:51,339 This is what they do. They're all about setups, man. 675 01:01:51,374 --> 01:01:54,542 They were on the block watching me, do you know what I'm saying? 676 01:01:54,577 --> 01:01:56,811 They saw me walking down, they did what they did. 677 01:01:56,846 --> 01:02:00,415 And you know what? Police are the biggest gang in the world, 678 01:02:00,450 --> 01:02:02,984 so they got a cheek. 679 01:02:11,528 --> 01:02:17,065 [Logan] We, in London, and the other parts of this country, are a police service. 680 01:02:17,100 --> 01:02:20,135 So, you've got to know what that means. 681 01:02:20,170 --> 01:02:23,772 That means accountability and transparency 682 01:02:23,807 --> 01:02:27,075 in all of your processes and practices. 683 01:02:27,110 --> 01:02:29,944 Now I challenged that when I was in the Met, 684 01:02:29,979 --> 01:02:32,547 when I was chair of the Black Police Association. 685 01:02:32,582 --> 01:02:36,918 I also gave evidence to various inquiries 686 01:02:36,953 --> 01:02:39,821 that said the police service was institutionally racist 687 01:02:39,856 --> 01:02:42,857 because of the way in which they conduct themselves. 688 01:02:42,892 --> 01:02:46,861 Now the Matrix, for me, is another form of institutional racism. 689 01:02:46,896 --> 01:02:52,133 It is racial profiling. It is unaccountable. 690 01:02:52,168 --> 01:02:56,304 And, as far as I'm concerned, there has to be a way in which you can get off this system, 691 01:02:56,339 --> 01:03:00,308 whether it's the Matrix, the DNA database, you know. 692 01:03:00,343 --> 01:03:05,613 You've got to have a process where people believe 693 01:03:05,648 --> 01:03:09,384 that the police service can be held to account. 694 01:03:22,332 --> 01:03:26,501 [man] Matrix, strategic subject list, no-fly list, 695 01:03:26,536 --> 01:03:30,205 selectee list, terrorist watch list. 696 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,607 Once on the list, always on the list, 697 01:03:32,642 --> 01:03:35,944 because the computer says so. 698 01:03:35,979 --> 01:03:40,315 Because, due to the algorithm, nobody is directly responsible. 699 01:03:40,350 --> 01:03:46,054 Because there is no regulated procedure against the errors of the machine. 700 01:03:46,089 --> 01:03:50,325 Because, let's be honest, nobody cares about 701 01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:53,461 what consequences the decisions of a program have 702 01:03:53,496 --> 01:03:56,832 for the life of Robert McDaniel, or Smurf. 703 01:04:39,575 --> 01:04:43,444 [Guay] Our main character actually gets unjustly profiled 704 01:04:43,479 --> 01:04:46,047 by the crime prediction system in the game, 705 01:04:46,082 --> 01:04:49,284 and very early on the player wants to wipe that prediction 706 01:04:49,319 --> 01:04:51,986 on his person, because it's unjust. 707 01:04:52,021 --> 01:04:53,354 He doesn't feel it's justified. 708 01:04:53,389 --> 01:04:55,123 It thinks it's arbitrary 709 01:04:55,158 --> 01:04:57,125 that some code decided that he's a criminal 710 01:04:57,160 --> 01:04:58,493 because of this and that reason. 711 01:04:58,528 --> 01:05:00,128 So we're kind of twisting the perspective 712 01:05:00,163 --> 01:05:01,629 from the being the vigilante, 713 01:05:01,664 --> 01:05:03,665 now you're potentially the unjustly profiled 714 01:05:03,700 --> 01:05:05,267 by the algorithm. 715 01:05:09,372 --> 01:05:12,707 [sirens] 716 01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:16,144 Codes don't have a conscience, and people who write code, 717 01:05:16,179 --> 01:05:18,713 they don't always know exactly what's gonna happen afterwards. 718 01:05:18,748 --> 01:05:23,952 There's a part of it that is beyond the moment where it's being engineered. 719 01:05:23,987 --> 01:05:27,188 And so, since code doesn't have a conscience, 720 01:05:27,223 --> 01:05:30,158 and the programmer doesn't always realize all the repercussions 721 01:05:30,193 --> 01:05:32,360 of what he's programming, and he doesn't know 722 01:05:32,395 --> 01:05:35,129 the extent of the data it's gonna be treating in the decades afterwards, 723 01:05:35,164 --> 01:05:39,134 there is a point where, who's responsible, really, for the code's decision? 724 01:05:49,278 --> 01:05:51,779 [Ferguson] If the Roberts of the world are walking down the street 725 01:05:51,814 --> 01:05:53,581 and police know who's on the Heat List, 726 01:05:53,616 --> 01:05:56,284 they might get stopped easier, might get searched more often, 727 01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:59,454 they might really feel like they were living in a true police state. 728 01:05:59,489 --> 01:06:01,289 And from the police perspective, they're like, 729 01:06:01,324 --> 01:06:03,124 "No, we're just targeting the worst of the worst. 730 01:06:03,159 --> 01:06:04,425 This person happens to be on it." 731 01:06:04,460 --> 01:06:06,060 The negative way of looking at that 732 01:06:06,095 --> 01:06:09,030 is probably closer to the perspective of the young man 733 01:06:09,065 --> 01:06:11,699 whose door is knocked on by a detective who is there 734 01:06:11,734 --> 01:06:15,403 to essentially inform him that there is a new surveillance 735 01:06:15,438 --> 01:06:18,673 with his name, and in fact they'll give him a letter, 736 01:06:18,708 --> 01:06:22,110 a custom notification letter with his name on it, with his prior record, 737 01:06:22,145 --> 01:06:24,645 and with the future consequences should he mess up. 738 01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:29,217 A very directed, very personal message of, 739 01:06:29,252 --> 01:06:31,319 "We are watching you, we are surveilling you, 740 01:06:31,354 --> 01:06:34,022 "we are giving you a chance to avoid violence 741 01:06:34,057 --> 01:06:36,257 "or to be caught up and be arrested. 742 01:06:36,292 --> 01:06:38,093 And you need to choose wisely." 743 01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,303 [McDaniel] If I was to commit a crime or a murder right now, 744 01:06:49,338 --> 01:06:51,239 they'd parade themselves. 745 01:06:51,274 --> 01:06:54,075 Medals, honors. "Oh, we was right, look, our test." 746 01:06:54,110 --> 01:06:55,710 Like, that's what I think they're looking for. 747 01:06:55,745 --> 01:06:59,113 They got a grant, they made up a theory, 748 01:06:59,148 --> 01:07:01,315 they started a program, and now they want results. 749 01:07:01,350 --> 01:07:04,619 For whoever gave their money to fund this, 750 01:07:04,654 --> 01:07:08,023 they have to give results, 'cause if you don't give results, he'll end it. 751 01:07:10,126 --> 01:07:12,660 It's wrong. It's wrong to be profiled. 752 01:07:12,695 --> 01:07:15,096 It is wrong to be saying that you something that you're not. 753 01:07:15,131 --> 01:07:17,398 It's wrong for somebody to tell you you're a killer. 754 01:07:17,433 --> 01:07:20,135 Like... I don't know. 755 01:07:23,473 --> 01:07:26,507 [Gorner] The police say, "Hey, it's just another tool on our belts, 756 01:07:26,542 --> 01:07:30,078 "it's something innovative, it's something that we figure 757 01:07:30,113 --> 01:07:33,114 can revolutionize law enforcement." 758 01:07:33,149 --> 01:07:34,415 But the flip side to that 759 01:07:34,450 --> 01:07:37,318 is just from when I was doing the story in 2013, 760 01:07:37,353 --> 01:07:41,289 is that a lot of the names on that list are young African-Americans. 761 01:07:41,324 --> 01:07:42,857 So in the African-American community, 762 01:07:42,892 --> 01:07:45,226 there were some rumblings that, 763 01:07:45,261 --> 01:07:48,329 "Oh, well, this list is just another example of racial profiling." 764 01:09:16,285 --> 01:09:18,486 [Hill] We don't have the personal capacity 765 01:09:18,521 --> 01:09:20,321 to keep in touch with millions of people, 766 01:09:20,356 --> 01:09:21,556 thousands of people. 767 01:09:21,591 --> 01:09:22,757 Social media does. 768 01:09:22,792 --> 01:09:24,292 And it's a double-edged sword 769 01:09:24,327 --> 01:09:26,360 of, how do we try to navigate that? 770 01:09:26,395 --> 01:09:30,298 And I think the state and the police are fully aware of this. 771 01:09:30,333 --> 01:09:33,568 I think, ultimately, they're gonna be one step ahead. 772 01:09:33,603 --> 01:09:36,604 They're gonna know exactly how to batten down, 773 01:09:36,639 --> 01:09:39,640 or how to limit, for example, 774 01:09:39,675 --> 01:09:41,742 thousands of people attending a demonstration. 775 01:09:41,777 --> 01:09:44,412 "Oh, let's just cut off all their invites. 776 01:09:44,447 --> 01:09:47,448 "Let's just not let it be imprinted on social media. 777 01:09:47,483 --> 01:09:51,219 "Let's affect the algorithm to who is sending what messages, 778 01:09:51,254 --> 01:09:52,853 who is posting what," right? There's no... 779 01:09:52,888 --> 01:09:54,855 For us, we use it with the intention of, 780 01:09:54,890 --> 01:09:57,692 "We don't care." They're gonna know anyway, 781 01:09:57,727 --> 01:09:59,660 so we organize openly. 782 01:09:59,695 --> 01:10:02,363 But, practically, I think it's a really worrying thing, 783 01:10:02,398 --> 01:10:04,932 because we have no way to monitor what they're doing, 784 01:10:04,967 --> 01:10:07,902 and we have no idea of the scope in which 785 01:10:07,937 --> 01:10:11,239 the powers they have, and the technology they have 786 01:10:11,274 --> 01:10:13,441 in terms of mass surveillance and databases. 787 01:10:29,625 --> 01:10:34,362 [man] What we started with was a man found in an alleyway shot, no witnesses. 788 01:10:34,397 --> 01:10:37,765 So that's all the information we had to start with. 789 01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,668 What we were able to do is find the crime, 790 01:10:40,703 --> 01:10:43,671 go back in time, see what happened. 791 01:10:43,706 --> 01:10:48,443 These three cars right here, are all involved in this murder. 792 01:11:00,723 --> 01:11:03,557 We do what's known as "wide area surveillance." 793 01:11:03,592 --> 01:11:06,060 So we watch major cities at a time. 794 01:11:06,095 --> 01:11:09,930 We take a very high-resolution image of a whole city 795 01:11:09,965 --> 01:11:14,335 every second, process it to make it look like Google Earth, 796 01:11:14,370 --> 01:11:17,371 and it allows us to go back in time and see 797 01:11:17,406 --> 01:11:20,675 what happened within a city up to about real time. 798 01:11:22,545 --> 01:11:27,014 Well, because we capture a major part of the city 799 01:11:27,049 --> 01:11:29,450 at enough resolution, we can look at a location 800 01:11:29,485 --> 01:11:31,652 where a crime occurred, 801 01:11:31,687 --> 01:11:33,888 that we didn't know it was going to occur, 802 01:11:33,923 --> 01:11:37,358 see what happened and follow the vehicles and the people 803 01:11:37,393 --> 01:11:38,726 to and from the crime scene. 804 01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:43,497 It is a very powerful tool. 805 01:11:43,532 --> 01:11:45,433 This may sound like science-fiction, 806 01:11:45,468 --> 01:11:46,934 but it's pretty straightforward. 807 01:11:48,904 --> 01:11:52,440 So, what we're gonna do is, I'll just show you here, 808 01:11:52,475 --> 01:11:56,944 this is a city, we're flying at about 13... 12,000 feet. 809 01:11:56,979 --> 01:12:00,648 And we're able to zoom in anywhere within that area. 810 01:12:00,683 --> 01:12:04,886 And what we'll do is we'll see when a female police officer leaves her house. 811 01:12:06,555 --> 01:12:09,090 She is right here. 812 01:12:09,125 --> 01:12:12,693 This car here is a lookout car watching her. 813 01:12:12,728 --> 01:12:16,564 And then there's three other vehicles right up here. 814 01:12:16,599 --> 01:12:20,735 So, here she actually leaves her house right here. 815 01:12:20,770 --> 01:12:23,971 And immediately following, the blue car takes off 816 01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:25,973 and tries to catch up to her. 817 01:12:26,008 --> 01:12:30,044 She slows down and then rounds the corner, and then guns it. 818 01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:34,148 She gets around this corner before the blue car gets around that corner. 819 01:12:34,183 --> 01:12:39,086 And then she gets around this corner, and the blue car actually gets lost. 820 01:12:39,121 --> 01:12:43,557 Unfortunately, these other three vehicles up here saw her, 821 01:12:43,592 --> 01:12:46,994 and they're actually able to catch up to her. 822 01:12:47,029 --> 01:12:49,864 So, here she is, she's slowed down by another vehicle. 823 01:12:49,899 --> 01:12:52,767 And she gets caught behind this. 824 01:12:52,802 --> 01:12:56,003 You get a vehicle that just backs out in front of her here. 825 01:12:56,038 --> 01:12:59,407 We couldn't tell if he was directly involved or not. 826 01:12:59,442 --> 01:13:04,178 But, unfortunately, that gave these other guys time to catch up to her. 827 01:13:04,213 --> 01:13:06,747 And they catch up to her right here. 828 01:13:06,782 --> 01:13:11,018 And she is shot six times in the head and shoulders. 829 01:13:11,053 --> 01:13:14,522 And she's actually gonna run right into that parked car there. 830 01:13:14,557 --> 01:13:18,859 And that is where she is found by the police in a few minutes. 831 01:13:18,894 --> 01:13:24,799 And then what we do is we follow those vehicles as they flee the scene. 832 01:13:24,834 --> 01:13:29,570 And here you can see they're passing people on the right and on the left. 833 01:13:29,605 --> 01:13:35,009 Now we're actually able to follow two of those vehicles to final end points. 834 01:13:35,044 --> 01:13:37,678 So within a few minutes after the murder, 835 01:13:37,713 --> 01:13:40,247 we actually have two locations identified. 836 01:13:40,282 --> 01:13:42,082 Then what we do, is we come in 837 01:13:42,117 --> 01:13:44,585 and we'll actually go into Google Earth 838 01:13:44,620 --> 01:13:46,987 to actually identify the houses, 839 01:13:47,022 --> 01:13:48,790 and feed that information into law enforcement. 840 01:13:51,126 --> 01:13:53,994 And we'll actually get the front door picture 841 01:13:54,029 --> 01:13:56,163 of the house that he went into. 842 01:13:56,198 --> 01:13:59,133 We'll take that image and send it forward to the police officers, 843 01:13:59,168 --> 01:14:01,068 so they know which door to knock on. 844 01:14:10,713 --> 01:14:12,746 [man] At some point I have stopped thinking about 845 01:14:12,781 --> 01:14:16,217 who might know and who might store what about me, 846 01:14:16,252 --> 01:14:18,786 why, and since when. 847 01:14:18,821 --> 01:14:22,523 Probably because it doesn't make a difference anyway. 848 01:14:22,558 --> 01:14:25,993 It's like with Hollywood, computer games, and television. 849 01:14:26,028 --> 01:14:29,964 Everything is inextricably interwoven with reality. 850 01:14:29,999 --> 01:14:34,068 Reality being just the medium of the basic code. 851 01:14:34,103 --> 01:14:39,306 Zero, one, like, don't like, buy, don't buy, 852 01:14:39,341 --> 01:14:42,176 guilty, not guilty. 853 01:14:42,211 --> 01:14:46,848 Just to remind you, code has no conscience. 854 01:15:07,803 --> 01:15:09,136 You know what was fun? 855 01:15:11,807 --> 01:15:15,076 Like I told you, I lost a best friend. 856 01:15:16,345 --> 01:15:18,846 When I say a best friend, a brother. 857 01:15:20,182 --> 01:15:22,917 I watched them sweep his murder under the rug 858 01:15:22,952 --> 01:15:24,785 like it didn't mean shit. 859 01:15:26,255 --> 01:15:30,190 But it got put through a $2 million... 860 01:15:30,225 --> 01:15:32,726 test that said I was a killer. 861 01:15:32,761 --> 01:15:34,662 [cell phone rings] 862 01:15:36,332 --> 01:15:37,932 [groans] 863 01:15:39,168 --> 01:15:41,702 My friend was 18 when he got killed. 864 01:15:43,038 --> 01:15:47,141 He got a son right now that I still look after. 865 01:15:47,176 --> 01:15:50,678 That little boy actually think I'm his dad. 866 01:15:50,713 --> 01:15:52,547 And I don't know. 867 01:15:54,183 --> 01:15:56,017 It's wrong. It's just... 868 01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:58,619 it's too much. 869 01:17:39,121 --> 01:17:42,356 [man] If policing is going to use software to predict 870 01:17:42,391 --> 01:17:44,358 what these people do in the future, 871 01:17:44,393 --> 01:17:47,995 it's assuming that certain people with a certain history 872 01:17:48,030 --> 01:17:49,730 are going to do certain things. 873 01:17:49,765 --> 01:17:52,099 And that's just not necessarily the case, 874 01:17:52,134 --> 01:17:54,768 because humans can change according to what support 875 01:17:54,803 --> 01:17:58,439 and what personal decisions they make according to that support. 876 01:17:58,474 --> 01:18:02,810 But, again, it's a metaphor for that, but it's also... it's what policing is. 877 01:18:02,845 --> 01:18:04,178 Policing is not preventative. 878 01:18:04,213 --> 01:18:07,748 It's not just in any kind of way. 879 01:18:07,783 --> 01:18:12,186 And so it's just there as a punishing mechanism. 880 01:18:12,221 --> 01:18:15,389 As a criminalizing mechanism, and as a punishing mechanism. 881 01:18:19,328 --> 01:18:21,061 [Smurf] You know what's funny, yeah? 882 01:18:21,096 --> 01:18:22,830 There's a funny thing, man... 883 01:18:22,865 --> 01:18:27,334 A little story that's quite disgusting, actually. 884 01:18:27,369 --> 01:18:29,770 Because you see how they're restricting so many things 885 01:18:29,805 --> 01:18:33,240 that we're able to do and not able to do. 886 01:18:33,275 --> 01:18:36,810 Music is one of them. Music is one of them. 887 01:18:36,845 --> 01:18:40,347 'Cause I've got a cousin who knows people 888 01:18:40,382 --> 01:18:45,786 who did a crime where someone got murdered, 889 01:18:45,821 --> 01:18:48,522 and he made a music video. 890 01:18:48,557 --> 01:18:51,024 And in his lyrics, 891 01:18:51,059 --> 01:18:53,227 he was mentioning stuff about the crime. 892 01:18:53,262 --> 01:18:55,395 Even though he didn't commit the crime, 893 01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:59,433 he mentioned something about it. And do you know what? 894 01:18:59,468 --> 01:19:05,105 He got sent to prison for six years just for the lyrics in the video. 895 01:19:05,140 --> 01:19:07,541 And he got banned from rapping. Do you know what I'm saying? 896 01:19:07,576 --> 01:19:10,544 Because, obviously, music is our way of expressing ourselves. 897 01:19:10,579 --> 01:19:15,516 That's the only way that we know how to express ourselves and communicate, really. 898 01:19:15,551 --> 01:19:19,052 Do you know what I'm saying? Just to express yourself. 899 01:19:19,087 --> 01:19:22,923 And that's... that's... I think that's disgusting. 900 01:19:22,958 --> 01:19:24,892 They're leaving us with no other option. 901 01:19:36,505 --> 01:19:40,507 I've been told they started off a couple months ago with 400, but now skip to 1,500. 902 01:19:40,542 --> 01:19:42,943 That's a big number. 903 01:19:42,978 --> 01:19:45,179 You just made 1,100 more criminals right there. 904 01:19:45,214 --> 01:19:47,147 So, now, who is that good for? 905 01:19:47,182 --> 01:19:49,516 Is it good for the streets or is it good for the police? 906 01:19:49,551 --> 01:19:52,452 You got more criminals to lock up. You got more cases to solve. 907 01:19:52,487 --> 01:19:55,189 You got-- see what I'm saying? You got more product. 908 01:19:55,224 --> 01:19:57,191 [sirens] [radio chatter] 909 01:20:01,163 --> 01:20:05,933 You want to build a system, build a system that helps me get up out of this. 910 01:20:05,968 --> 01:20:08,635 Help me go to school, help me go off and start a business. 911 01:20:08,670 --> 01:20:11,071 That's what I say, like, even with this pre-crime stuff, 912 01:20:11,106 --> 01:20:13,907 I try to just stay focused, work, stay out of harm's way, 913 01:20:13,942 --> 01:20:17,010 stay away from anything that's negative. 914 01:20:17,045 --> 01:20:21,415 And just try to prosper, try to be better than I was yesterday. 915 01:20:21,450 --> 01:20:23,517 I could have let it turn me into thug. 916 01:20:23,552 --> 01:20:26,019 I could have said things, just went off 917 01:20:26,054 --> 01:20:27,521 and let people's images change me. 918 01:20:27,556 --> 01:20:31,024 But to me, personally, that's not me. 919 01:20:31,059 --> 01:20:32,659 I'm not gonna let you change me because you got 920 01:20:32,694 --> 01:20:35,596 a theory about me, or that's just your personal view. 921 01:20:35,631 --> 01:20:38,365 At the end of the day, I can always prove you wrong. 922 01:20:46,909 --> 01:20:49,643 [Caluris] We're on our third version right now. 923 01:20:49,678 --> 01:20:52,479 The system, we've been in place now for about three years, 924 01:20:52,514 --> 01:20:55,582 so we've done regression studies to look at 925 01:20:55,617 --> 01:20:57,317 the different variables we put in 926 01:20:57,352 --> 01:21:00,454 and be able to test it out over past data sets 927 01:21:00,489 --> 01:21:03,690 to make sure that those factors that we're weighing are effective. 928 01:21:03,725 --> 01:21:06,026 However, I don't think we're ever gonna reach 929 01:21:06,061 --> 01:21:09,162 a final conclusion with the program or the initiative, 930 01:21:09,197 --> 01:21:12,699 'cause we're continually looking to re-evaluate it 931 01:21:12,734 --> 01:21:14,968 and be able to add in additional data 932 01:21:15,003 --> 01:21:17,170 and additional variables that could play 933 01:21:17,205 --> 01:21:19,506 an additional significant role towards positive outcomes. 934 01:21:19,541 --> 01:21:21,876 [distant police sirens] 935 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:28,515 [Gorner] That's just an example of the efforts that our city 936 01:21:28,550 --> 01:21:31,585 is trying to make to fight the violence, 937 01:21:31,620 --> 01:21:33,921 just trying to come up with creative ideas 938 01:21:33,956 --> 01:21:38,458 in fighting it, and are there potential civil rights violations there? 939 01:21:38,493 --> 01:21:40,093 Well, there's always that concern. 940 01:21:40,128 --> 01:21:43,630 Um, especially, like I said with this history, 941 01:21:43,665 --> 01:21:49,203 with the deeply rooted distrust between the police and minority communities. 942 01:22:00,315 --> 01:22:04,184 See, my story might not mean shit to nobody, because it wasn't you. 943 01:22:04,219 --> 01:22:06,586 But what about when they got your son, 944 01:22:06,621 --> 01:22:10,090 when they got your daughter, your child... when it's you? 945 01:22:11,159 --> 01:22:13,260 Now it's a problem. 946 01:22:13,295 --> 01:22:16,596 Now everybody want to make it seem like okay, let's kill. 947 01:22:16,631 --> 01:22:20,067 It don't affect nobody until it come knocking on your door. 948 01:22:43,492 --> 01:22:47,394 [Ferguson] So right now I think people are willingly giving up this information. 949 01:22:47,429 --> 01:22:49,596 Not just what you're giving up on the internet, 950 01:22:49,631 --> 01:22:52,599 but as we move into a world of the internet of things. 951 01:22:52,634 --> 01:22:55,068 Your smart house will reveal when you've left for the day, 952 01:22:55,103 --> 01:22:58,338 when you take your shower, what temperature your bath is. 953 01:22:58,373 --> 01:23:00,307 And your television can listen to you, 954 01:23:00,342 --> 01:23:02,542 your car will be able to monitor where you're going 955 01:23:02,577 --> 01:23:05,245 if you have like an OnStar system that tells you where to go. 956 01:23:05,280 --> 01:23:07,447 Your cell phone knows all those things and what you're doing 957 01:23:07,482 --> 01:23:09,316 and the conversations going on. 958 01:23:09,351 --> 01:23:12,452 Like, we're just giving up this data to private companies 959 01:23:12,487 --> 01:23:15,022 in a way where we're not really thinking about the consequences. 960 01:23:15,057 --> 01:23:18,392 We're not thinking about what these data trails mean. 961 01:23:18,427 --> 01:23:22,295 And for law enforcement, you could see just how valuable that information would be. 962 01:23:22,330 --> 01:23:25,032 Why do you have to drink cold coffee in a hot car 963 01:23:25,067 --> 01:23:27,434 surveilling some guy, when you could just use the internet of things 964 01:23:27,469 --> 01:23:29,302 to track them all the way through, right? 965 01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:33,206 This is the new world. And right now, the policy makers 966 01:23:33,241 --> 01:23:35,842 and even the lawyers, haven't really thought through the consequences. 967 01:23:35,877 --> 01:23:38,211 They haven't figured out how does the Fourth Amendment adapt? 968 01:23:38,246 --> 01:23:39,780 How do privacy laws adapt? 969 01:23:39,815 --> 01:23:43,817 How do laws that we have about telephone technology 970 01:23:43,852 --> 01:23:47,120 apply in a world where suddenly your watch 971 01:23:47,155 --> 01:23:49,222 is talking to the world and giving them your heartbeat, 972 01:23:49,257 --> 01:23:50,657 and the rest of it, right? 973 01:23:50,692 --> 01:23:52,526 We just haven't figured that out yet. 974 01:23:52,561 --> 01:23:55,395 And it's important, I think, to ask these questions now. 975 01:23:55,430 --> 01:23:58,231 I think we're at the very beginning of a very big conversation 976 01:23:58,266 --> 01:24:00,534 about what we should do with this new data. 977 01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:07,434 [man] Robert still has a score of 215. 978 01:25:08,770 --> 01:25:11,438 Smurf has left Tottenham. 979 01:25:11,473 --> 01:25:15,375 The internet is ever-learning and evolving. 980 01:25:15,410 --> 01:25:19,680 Observes, surveys, collects, saves. 981 01:25:21,383 --> 01:25:24,151 "Above the city," as a friend wrote to me, 982 01:25:24,186 --> 01:25:26,620 "the sky is the color of a television 983 01:25:26,655 --> 01:25:28,555 tuned to a dead channel." 984 01:25:30,625 --> 01:25:34,327 Time to say farewell and go back home. 985 01:25:34,362 --> 01:25:38,465 Back to my smartphone, my IP address, my emails, 986 01:25:38,500 --> 01:25:42,669 my bookmarks, my Twitter account, my Facebook timeline. 987 01:25:44,539 --> 01:25:46,607 Welcome to the Matrix. 988 01:25:49,444 --> 01:25:51,345 [rock music] 82048

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