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[forlorn music]
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[forlorn music intensifies]
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[crowd chattering indistinctly]
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[whistle blows]
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- Welcome to ACT UP!
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We are the AlDS Coalition
to Unleash Power,
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a diverse, nonpartisan
group of individuals
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united in anger
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and committed to direct action
to...
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crowd: End the AlDS crisis!
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- Less than 1 2 hours
from now,
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we are going to be taking over
city hall!
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[applause]
all: Act up!
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Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
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- Yes?
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- Mr. Mayor, in campaigning
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for the lesbian and gay vote
in an election year,
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a bit of historical context
is necessary
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in dealing with the AlDS crisis
in New York City.
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It wasn't until 1 983
that you met with people
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to deal with
the AlDS crisis.
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How do you respond
to these criticisms?
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- That is a falsehood.
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- Please, anybody who's
thinking about being arrested,
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fill out a support sheet.
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Make sure that
your support person
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knows who you are
and what group you're in.
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Yeah?
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- If we end up in the Tombs,
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is there, like,
a queer tank there,
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and would you recommend
that we ask to be there?
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- There is a homo-tank,
and I've been there.
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And it's better
than the straight tank,
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Iet me tell you.
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- Who else?
Yes?
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- In the past, you've described
ACT UP as fascist.
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Yet in the press release,
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you called them
"concerned citizens,"
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and I was wondering
what changed your mind.
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- I don't think
that you can't use both.
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Fascists can be
concerned citizens.
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And I don't believe
they are fascists.
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I think they have used
a fascist tactic.
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- Let us celebrate together
tonight
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the end of the last day
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on which Ed Koch
can tell himself
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that the communities
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which are being decimated
by this epidemic
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are so weak and so divided
among themselves,
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that he can keep serving us
this kind of bullshit.
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Tomorrow morning, he will begin
to learn the truth!
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[cheers and applause]
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all: Act up, stand tall,
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tomorrow morning
at city hall!
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Act up, stand tall,
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tomorrow morning
at city hall!
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Act up, stand tall,
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tomorrow morning
at city hall!
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Act up, stand tall...
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- We're talking to Jim Eigo
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from the Treatment lssues
Committee in ACT UP.
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Jim, what specific
treatment issues
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are being brought into
this demonstration this week?
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- The municipal hospitals
are totally falling apart.
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More than half the people
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who get diagnosed
with AlDS today
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get diagnosed in
the emergency rooms of our city.
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You're going to find yourself
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waiting four days
in an emergency room
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before you get a bed.
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- Pretty scared,
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but being HlV-positive,
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I don't have much choice
in the matter.
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- I just love
all these people,
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and I think that what
we're doing is really right.
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And, I mean, listen to this,
and look at all the people.
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It's just really wonderful,
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and it's worth putting yourself
on the line for.
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- There is no
accurate diagnosis.
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There are incentives
in the city hospitals
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not to diagnose people
with AlDS.
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And therefore,
people don't get treated.
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We are angry
at the way this city
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has handled this crisis,
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and we demand that Ed Koch
exert leadership
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and declare
a state of emergency.
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[cheering]
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- Go in the street now
or wait;
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those are the options.
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One, he says go.
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- Two now.
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- Says "now."
Three.
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Tom?
"Go now," Tom says.
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- We're standing here
with Larry Kramer.
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What is ACT UP
trying to say today to Ed Koch?
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- We're sending a message
to public officials,
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to closeted public officials,
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that we won't be shat on
anymore
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and obviously
all the AlDS issues.
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- I would love to see, like,
more cameras or something,
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you know,
for our own protection.
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- Did everyone hear his concern?
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- People die every day.
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Friends get sick every day.
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I don't�����
It's like being in the trenches.
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There's such anger
in the community,
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and it is coalescing
in a way
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that has never been done
before.
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- Okay, which way do we face,
girlfriends,
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this way or that way?
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[cheers and applause]
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[car horns blaring]
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all: Health care is a right.
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Health care is a right!
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Health care is a right.
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Health care is a right!
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Health care is a right.
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Health care is a right!
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Pump up the budget!
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Health care is a right.
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Health care is a right!
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- You are currently
in violation of the law
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by obstructing vehicular
and pedestrian traffic.
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You have the option of leaving
at this time, otherwise...
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[crowd shouting indistinctly]
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- Act up!
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- Never be silent again!
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all: Fight AlDS!
Act up!
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Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
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Act up!
Fight back!
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[indistinct shouting]
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[whistle blows]
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- Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
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[crowd clamoring]
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- Act up!
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[siren wailing]
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all: Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
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Stand up!
Fight back!
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- This man
is a personal friend!
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Be careful!
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- They're arresting journalists
now!
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- Act up!
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Act up!
Act up!
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[all shouting indistinctly]
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- Act up!
Fight AlDS!
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Pray for the dead!
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[all clamoring]
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- Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
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[dramatic percussive music]
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- I guess I'm feeling
pretty hopeless at the moment.
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I think, like, the biggest
question that I'm facing now
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is how to
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remain hopeful
in the face of increasing loss.
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- I don't know.
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Maybe it sounds really corny,
but l...
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As difficult
as the time is for us,
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I����l like being alive.
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And I love my friends,
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and I love my family.
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I love the people around me.
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- I'm going to die from this.
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This isn't going to be cured
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for years and years
and years.
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- Doctor's office.
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- Hi, it's Peter Staley.
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It's like living in a war.
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All around me,
friends are dropping dead,
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and you're scared
for your own life
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all at the same time.
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[crowd murmuring indistinctly]
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I was diagnosed
with AlDS-related complex
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while I was working
as a bond trader on Wall Street.
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I had night sweats.
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I began to get dry, patchy,
scaly, itchy skin on my face.
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And I would get sick
constantly.
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Colds would lay me up
for weeks.
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I started to look around
in desperation
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for ways that
I could find treatments
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to help save my life.
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Um...
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And there was nothing coming out
of our government's efforts,
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I quickly realized.
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Everything I read
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said I had about two years
to live,
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at most.
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- What do we want?
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crowd: A cure!
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- When do we want it?
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crowd: Now!
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- What do we want?
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crowd: A cure!
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- When do we want it?
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crowd: Now!
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- What do we want?
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crowd: A cure!
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- When do we want it?
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crowd: Now!
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- I was on my way to work,
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and I got handed a flyer
about ACT UP and AlDS.
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My mentor says,
"lf you ask me,
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"l think they all deserve
to die
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because they took it
up the butt."
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I was deeply closeted,
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and I had to just stew about it
for the rest of the day.
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I got myself to the very next
ACT UP meeting.
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They could just tap into that
immediate anger
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and get stuff done.
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We will not leave until
an administrator meets with us
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and tells us
that St. Vincent's
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is willing to make
a public statement
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condemning gay and lesbian
violence.
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[cheers and applause]
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All those in favor?
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All those opposed?
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- They're coming!
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You see them right there.
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You've heard about ACT UP.
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You've seen our flyers.
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The kiss-in happens tonight.
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Act up!
Fight back!
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Make love!
Act up!
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Whoo, whoo!
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- I'll deal with the cameras�����
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- Are you the security guard
that was beating people up?
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- Out with the cameras.
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[crowd chattering indistinctly]
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- Members of the mainstream
media were thrown out,
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as we were earlier on,
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but Steve Zabel and l
came back in,
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and we're bringing you
this exclusive footage.
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- Don't destroy property!
You're destroying property.
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- Well, actually you damaged
some human property last week.
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- You damaged people.
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- You will not
beat up on faggots,
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and you will not
beat up on lesbians
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in hospitals
in our own communities.
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- Two gay women
were beaten up,
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and when her lover
came to respond����
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you know the story.
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And another story
was when two gay guys came here,
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and one was sick with AlDS.
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The security guard told him to,
"Get the fuck out of here"
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and called him "faggot."
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I think
if you're gonna work,
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especially
in Greenwich Village,
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you should have
some sensitivity training,
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'cause we're not gonna have it.
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- I'm willing to meet
with three people
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if the rest of you leave.
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[crowd chattering indistinctly]
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- Okay, one at a time.
One at a time.
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- It's unclear how to play it.
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My own instinct would be
to say,
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"We'll be glad
to meet with you.
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And when the meeting's over,
we'll leave."
264
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Not to leave
before the meeting takes place.
265
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- Gregg?
266
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- We've shown
the kind of power we can have
267
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by immediate action,
by sticking together,
268
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by reaching a consensus
together.
269
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We should take this in steps,
and we should be coolheaded.
270
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- I'm gonna take a straw poll,
okay?
271
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And we agreed
to leave the waiting room
272
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while he met with
three of our representatives����
273
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Gregg, Jerry, and Neil����
274
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in that public space
right there.
275
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And then we would
stick around out here
276
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and wait to see
what the outcome was.
277
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- So I said, "Enough of this.
278
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This job is gonna kill me."
279
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So I went on disability
280
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and decided to become
a full-time AlDS activist.
281
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- In the beginning,
282
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what drugs did we have?
283
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We had nothing.
284
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And the pneumonia
could come on like that
285
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and be gone,
286
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and a person is dead.
287
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The skin lesions,
288
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the Kaposi's sarcoma was...
289
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People would be coming in
with a purple spot.
290
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Everybody was coming in with,
291
00:12:50,102 --> 00:12:51,126
"What is this spot?
292
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What is that spot?"
293
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You'd have some guys come in
with KS on their face,
294
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and they'd be putting makeup
on their face.
295
00:12:57,276 --> 00:13:01,406
And they'd be����
it was�����
296
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And they were lucky
297
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if it just stayed
in the skin,
298
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if it didn't
go into their lungs.
299
00:13:06,452 --> 00:13:07,885
And then if it
went into their lungs,
300
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chemo didn't work,
and then they were gone.
301
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You were grasping at straws
for everything,
302
00:13:14,026 --> 00:13:18,486
because these are young,
vibrant people.
303
00:13:18,531 --> 00:13:20,897
And all of a sudden,
they're being snatched.
304
00:13:22,635 --> 00:13:25,297
I think everything
has to be put in perspective.
305
00:14:02,007 --> 00:14:02,974
- Larry?
- Hello.
306
00:14:03,008 --> 00:14:04,066
- [chuckles]
307
00:14:13,252 --> 00:14:15,243
- lris Long is lifesaving.
308
00:14:17,156 --> 00:14:18,987
If you can't hear in the back
and you want to,
309
00:14:19,024 --> 00:14:20,924
just shout it out, please.
310
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- This is a report
311
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from the American Society
of Microbiology,
312
00:14:30,035 --> 00:14:33,835
a conference I went to
at the end of May.
313
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- Quiet!
314
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- There were many infections
talked about�����
315
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including AlDS����
at this conference,
316
00:14:41,046 --> 00:14:45,005
and it was overwhelming
to know how many pathogens,
317
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bacteria, fungus,
318
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protozoas, and viruses
that are out there
319
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that can really, uh...
320
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make you very sick.
321
00:15:00,232 --> 00:15:01,699
- One day, this woman
just showed up,
322
00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:05,693
this housewife, who had been
a scientist and still was,
323
00:15:05,738 --> 00:15:08,866
and said, "You guys don't know
diddly about what this is.
324
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"And anybody who wants to learn
about the system,
325
00:15:13,078 --> 00:15:14,375
"how it works,
326
00:15:14,413 --> 00:15:17,041
"how grants are made,
how the science works,
327
00:15:17,082 --> 00:15:18,549
"how everything works,
328
00:15:18,584 --> 00:15:19,710
"how the NlH works,
329
00:15:19,752 --> 00:15:21,219
"how the FDA works,
330
00:15:21,253 --> 00:15:22,550
"how you can deal with
331
00:15:22,588 --> 00:15:24,886
"all this
enormous amount of material,
332
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I'll teach you."
333
00:15:26,258 --> 00:15:29,056
- There should be much more
funding than there is
334
00:15:29,094 --> 00:15:30,891
for infectious diseases.
335
00:15:30,930 --> 00:15:33,057
- lris was not gay,
336
00:15:33,098 --> 00:15:35,396
but she could not see,
337
00:15:35,434 --> 00:15:39,063
with what was going on
around her and what she knew,
338
00:15:39,104 --> 00:15:42,369
not reaching out to the
affected communities of AlDS.
339
00:15:43,776 --> 00:15:46,244
- I waited
and went up to lris afterwards
340
00:15:46,278 --> 00:15:49,736
and said, "I'm interested
in what you were saying.
341
00:15:49,782 --> 00:15:52,250
"I'd like to know more.
I'd like to help."
342
00:15:52,284 --> 00:15:54,752
- And a few people
joined her,
343
00:15:54,787 --> 00:15:56,584
and that became
a bigger and bigger group,
344
00:15:56,622 --> 00:16:00,422
and that became the Treatment
and Data Committee: T&D.
345
00:16:00,459 --> 00:16:02,427
- They're still getting
a hell of a lot more money
346
00:16:02,461 --> 00:16:04,588
than actually getting
those treatments to anybody.
347
00:16:04,630 --> 00:16:06,097
It was kind of
a dorky activity
348
00:16:06,131 --> 00:16:08,759
for a bunch of East Village
hipsters and artists
349
00:16:08,801 --> 00:16:12,498
to sit around reading
medical journal articles.
350
00:16:12,538 --> 00:16:13,835
We called it science club,
351
00:16:13,872 --> 00:16:15,772
Iike it was chess club
or something.
352
00:16:15,808 --> 00:16:17,935
- There aren't drugs.
353
00:16:17,977 --> 00:16:19,842
- lndividual after individual
354
00:16:19,878 --> 00:16:23,006
had to come to grips
with the fact that,
355
00:16:23,048 --> 00:16:25,278
"l will survive
the longest,
356
00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:29,617
the most I know about
what I'm putting into my body."
357
00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:31,384
So they all
had to be become scientists,
358
00:16:31,423 --> 00:16:32,481
to some degree.
359
00:16:32,524 --> 00:16:33,923
- And what I would like
everyone to do
360
00:16:33,959 --> 00:16:36,450
would be to keep on thinking
of ways to refine these things
361
00:16:36,495 --> 00:16:38,122
to make them more clear
to people
362
00:16:38,163 --> 00:16:40,927
that don't necessarily
know the issues, like Ol.
363
00:16:40,966 --> 00:16:42,433
No one knows what Ol is.
364
00:16:42,468 --> 00:16:44,629
Okay, so I wrote it here,
just 'cause it's shorthand.
365
00:16:44,670 --> 00:16:46,797
Only 1 7% of people
in their trials
366
00:16:46,839 --> 00:16:47,965
have been taking drugs
367
00:16:48,007 --> 00:16:49,804
for opportunistic infections
or cancers.
368
00:16:49,842 --> 00:16:52,470
- Mark wasn't, like,
the big, beefcakey guy.
369
00:16:52,511 --> 00:16:56,311
He was super smart,
smoked nonstop.
370
00:16:56,348 --> 00:16:59,146
- Right away,
Mark digested,
371
00:16:59,184 --> 00:17:01,982
as by osmosis,
everything.
372
00:17:02,021 --> 00:17:03,318
And within a few weeks,
373
00:17:03,355 --> 00:17:08,315
he had come up with a glossary
of AlDS treatment terms,
374
00:17:08,360 --> 00:17:10,521
and we started giving it out
in our meetings.
375
00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,997
- Next we have an announcement
by Tom Dwayne
376
00:17:17,036 --> 00:17:19,664
regarding housing.
377
00:17:19,705 --> 00:17:21,002
- This is Bernard Braverman,
378
00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:22,837
who's in danger
of being evicted
379
00:17:22,875 --> 00:17:25,503
from his apartment that
he shared with his life partner
380
00:17:25,544 --> 00:17:27,011
for many, many years.
381
00:17:27,046 --> 00:17:28,343
His life partner died,
382
00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,178
and the landlord wants Bernard
out of his home
383
00:17:31,216 --> 00:17:34,617
because his name
was not on the lease.
384
00:17:34,653 --> 00:17:36,177
- What's his landlord's address?
385
00:17:36,221 --> 00:17:38,485
[laughter]
- We'll find him.
386
00:17:38,524 --> 00:17:40,185
- There are cards here
to fill out,
387
00:17:40,225 --> 00:17:41,692
to write to the governor.
388
00:17:41,727 --> 00:17:44,195
Let's make sure that our voices
are heard in New York City
389
00:17:44,229 --> 00:17:46,356
to save the homes of PWAs
390
00:17:46,398 --> 00:17:48,195
and other
nontraditional families.
391
00:17:48,233 --> 00:17:49,530
Thank you very much.
392
00:17:49,568 --> 00:17:52,560
[cheers and applause]
393
00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,547
- I just want to say something
about what's just happened.
394
00:18:02,581 --> 00:18:04,879
I realized we haven't done
anything yet for him
395
00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:06,384
and we haven't been effective
396
00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:07,817
and we haven't been powerful,
397
00:18:07,853 --> 00:18:09,821
but we will be.
398
00:18:09,855 --> 00:18:12,050
It's very inspiring to know
the power in this room
399
00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,559
is potentially available
to each and every one of us.
400
00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:17,585
[cheers and applause]
401
00:18:19,932 --> 00:18:22,901
- One, two, three.
402
00:18:22,935 --> 00:18:26,564
[girl laughs]
403
00:18:26,605 --> 00:18:28,573
Good?
404
00:18:28,607 --> 00:18:29,733
How was it?
405
00:18:29,775 --> 00:18:32,073
Is that as good as Daddy's
or better?
406
00:18:32,111 --> 00:18:33,738
- You're better.
407
00:18:33,779 --> 00:18:35,076
- Yay!
408
00:18:35,114 --> 00:18:37,241
- Would you like Daddy
to try it?
409
00:18:37,282 --> 00:18:39,250
Are you ready?
410
00:18:39,284 --> 00:18:43,914
- [laughs and shrieks]
411
00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:45,583
That's not very good.
412
00:18:45,624 --> 00:18:48,422
[laughter]
413
00:18:48,460 --> 00:18:51,088
- One, two, three.
414
00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:52,927
- I know this sounds ironic,
415
00:18:52,965 --> 00:18:55,263
considering that
it ended in divorce,
416
00:18:55,300 --> 00:18:57,928
but I think
it is fair to say
417
00:18:57,970 --> 00:19:01,804
it's the only really successful
love affair of my life.
418
00:19:07,980 --> 00:19:10,448
I came out at age 40.
419
00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:12,279
It was very bad timing
to come out
420
00:19:12,317 --> 00:19:15,445
in the middle
of an epidemic.
421
00:19:15,487 --> 00:19:17,614
The question is,
what does a decent society do
422
00:19:17,656 --> 00:19:19,988
with people who hurt themselves
because they're human,
423
00:19:20,025 --> 00:19:21,515
who smoke too much,
who eat too much,
424
00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:22,618
who drive carelessly,
425
00:19:22,661 --> 00:19:24,788
who don't have safe sex?
426
00:19:24,830 --> 00:19:26,627
I think the answer
is that a decent society
427
00:19:26,665 --> 00:19:28,462
does not put people
out to pasture
428
00:19:28,500 --> 00:19:30,991
and let them die because
they've done a human thing.
429
00:19:41,513 --> 00:19:42,571
- For the first time today,
430
00:19:42,614 --> 00:19:44,377
the government approved
prescription sales
431
00:19:44,416 --> 00:19:45,974
of a drug to treat AlDS.
432
00:19:46,018 --> 00:19:48,816
The drug, AZT,
is not a cure for the disease,
433
00:19:48,854 --> 00:19:51,687
but it has prolonged the lives
of some AlDS victims.
434
00:19:51,723 --> 00:19:53,987
It's the only
government-approved AlDS drug
435
00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:55,323
in America.
436
00:19:55,360 --> 00:19:57,328
But even
this most promising of drugs
437
00:19:57,362 --> 00:19:59,990
is a source of frustration
and anger.
438
00:20:00,032 --> 00:20:02,830
At $1 0,000 a year cost
per patient,
439
00:20:02,868 --> 00:20:05,166
it's prohibitively expensive
for most
440
00:20:05,204 --> 00:20:07,069
and not widely available.
441
00:20:07,105 --> 00:20:09,665
all: Out of the bars
and into the streets!
442
00:20:09,708 --> 00:20:11,835
Out of the bars
and into the streets!
443
00:20:11,877 --> 00:20:14,505
- AZT was the most expensive
drug in history.
444
00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:16,673
They charge $1 0,000 a year.
445
00:20:16,715 --> 00:20:19,843
We need to get a substantial
price reduction
446
00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:21,352
out of this company.
447
00:20:21,386 --> 00:20:23,286
- The incident began
at 10:0 this morning
448
00:20:23,322 --> 00:20:24,687
when four AlDS activists
449
00:20:24,723 --> 00:20:27,123
took over an office
at Burroughs Wellcome,
450
00:20:27,159 --> 00:20:29,127
saying they had enough
food and water
451
00:20:29,161 --> 00:20:31,356
to stay holed up
for a long time.
452
00:20:31,396 --> 00:20:34,024
The activists are demanding
that Burroughs Wellcome
453
00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:35,966
Iower its price of AZT.
454
00:20:36,001 --> 00:20:39,027
- Burroughs Wellcome
is profiting off of our lives.
455
00:20:39,071 --> 00:20:41,539
That's why we did today
what we did.
456
00:20:41,573 --> 00:20:46,875
And if they don't see to
start listening to my community,
457
00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:49,039
to our community,
the AlDS community,
458
00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:50,241
then we're gonna be back.
459
00:20:50,282 --> 00:20:53,251
[solemn music]
460
00:20:53,285 --> 00:21:01,283
? ?
461
00:21:34,459 --> 00:21:37,257
- One of the worst,
worst things was,
462
00:21:37,296 --> 00:21:40,561
when people died
in the hospital,
463
00:21:40,599 --> 00:21:44,126
they used to put them
in black trash bags.
464
00:21:46,638 --> 00:21:49,766
It was�����
[scoffs]
465
00:21:49,808 --> 00:21:52,777
It was really awful.
466
00:21:52,811 --> 00:21:54,779
And not every funeral parlor
467
00:21:54,813 --> 00:21:59,807
would take patients
who had died of AlDS.
468
00:21:59,851 --> 00:22:02,945
- But�����so the least
we could offer
469
00:22:02,988 --> 00:22:05,616
is sympathy
and moral support,
470
00:22:05,657 --> 00:22:09,616
you know, and kindness
and so forth.
471
00:22:09,661 --> 00:22:13,119
And that, they deserved,
in any case.
472
00:22:13,165 --> 00:22:15,963
And when even that
became denied,
473
00:22:16,001 --> 00:22:21,132
you know, by the totalitarian
rules of organizations,
474
00:22:21,173 --> 00:22:22,470
of institutions,
475
00:22:22,507 --> 00:22:26,307
it was really horrifying.
476
00:22:26,345 --> 00:22:29,473
- It is the most frightening
medical mystery of our times.
477
00:22:29,514 --> 00:22:31,982
AlDS victims must deal
with the trauma
478
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:34,315
of being both a patient
and a pariah.
479
00:22:34,353 --> 00:22:36,981
- I hate to use the word "gay"
480
00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:40,822
in connection with sodomy.
481
00:22:40,859 --> 00:22:42,827
There's nothing gay
about these people
482
00:22:42,861 --> 00:22:46,820
engaging in incredibly offensive
and revolting conduct
483
00:22:46,865 --> 00:22:50,596
that has led to
the proliferation of AlDS.
484
00:22:50,635 --> 00:22:53,729
- There is a feeling
among members
485
00:22:53,772 --> 00:22:56,332
of any of a number
of professions
486
00:22:56,375 --> 00:22:58,502
or just the general population
487
00:22:58,543 --> 00:23:00,841
that patients with AlDS,
488
00:23:00,879 --> 00:23:02,574
many of whom are homosexual,
489
00:23:02,614 --> 00:23:04,013
are a little bit different.
490
00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:07,678
I think that that has led to
a little bit of a complacency
491
00:23:07,719 --> 00:23:11,280
about the approach
towards this disease.
492
00:23:11,323 --> 00:23:13,848
- In the absence
of adequate health care,
493
00:23:13,892 --> 00:23:15,985
we have learned to become
our own clinicians,
494
00:23:16,027 --> 00:23:17,619
researchers, lobbyists,
495
00:23:17,662 --> 00:23:19,527
drug smugglers, pharmacists.
496
00:23:19,564 --> 00:23:20,929
We have our own libraries,
497
00:23:20,966 --> 00:23:23,434
newspapers, drugstores,
and laboratories.
498
00:23:23,468 --> 00:23:25,868
- Some of the medications
that were made available
499
00:23:25,904 --> 00:23:27,428
were not effective.
500
00:23:27,472 --> 00:23:28,598
They were in this category
501
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:30,107
that we called
"what the hell" drugs,
502
00:23:30,142 --> 00:23:32,201
which is, "There's some evidence
it could be useful.
503
00:23:32,244 --> 00:23:35,111
It's unlikely to be harmful.
What the hell?"
504
00:23:35,147 --> 00:23:37,911
- Should I type?
505
00:23:37,949 --> 00:23:39,940
[laughs]
- Yes, type.
506
00:23:43,088 --> 00:23:44,487
Take your time.
507
00:23:44,523 --> 00:23:45,854
Where are we?
508
00:23:45,891 --> 00:23:48,018
- We're at the People With AlDS
Health Group,
509
00:23:48,059 --> 00:23:50,550
the largest
underground buyers' club
510
00:23:50,595 --> 00:23:52,893
in the United States.
511
00:23:52,931 --> 00:23:54,228
- And what do you do here?
512
00:23:54,266 --> 00:23:58,225
- We help people import drugs
from other countries,
513
00:23:58,270 --> 00:23:59,897
um, that are unapproved here:
514
00:23:59,938 --> 00:24:01,906
Peptide T, Albendazole,
515
00:24:01,940 --> 00:24:04,170
Oral Amphotericin B.
516
00:24:04,209 --> 00:24:05,972
We have a whole
variety of things
517
00:24:06,011 --> 00:24:07,911
for your treatment pleasure.
518
00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:09,743
[chuckles]
519
00:24:09,781 --> 00:24:11,078
None of which work,
by the way.
520
00:24:11,116 --> 00:24:12,140
[laughter]
521
00:24:12,184 --> 00:24:14,311
Put that in.
522
00:24:14,352 --> 00:24:15,683
- People with AlDS,
523
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,188
what they were
mostly thinking about was,
524
00:24:18,223 --> 00:24:20,919
"Oh, drugs,
how do I get it off-market?
525
00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:22,256
"How do l�����
526
00:24:22,294 --> 00:24:24,421
"Will we ever get
a black market for this drug?
527
00:24:24,463 --> 00:24:26,090
I hear this is good and"����
528
00:24:26,131 --> 00:24:28,258
It was lris
who helped us see;
529
00:24:28,300 --> 00:24:32,100
we don't want
a black market.
530
00:24:32,137 --> 00:24:34,605
We want to make
the real market work.
531
00:24:34,639 --> 00:24:36,106
[static buzzing]
532
00:24:36,141 --> 00:24:39,110
- Try it.
533
00:24:39,144 --> 00:24:41,135
[match strikes]
534
00:24:49,154 --> 00:24:52,282
Hi, I'm Mark Harrington
from ACT UP New York.
535
00:24:52,324 --> 00:24:54,622
Recently, a lot of activists
have been asking
536
00:24:54,659 --> 00:24:56,957
why ACT UP is going...
537
00:24:56,995 --> 00:24:58,223
Uh.
You've got to start over.
538
00:24:58,263 --> 00:24:59,855
I got to do that����
I've got to do that over.
539
00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:01,263
- You can just
start yourself over.
540
00:25:01,299 --> 00:25:02,391
- But l����but I won't get
541
00:25:02,434 --> 00:25:04,061
that wonderful
cigarette-lighting thing.
542
00:25:04,102 --> 00:25:06,036
- I think the cigarette
maybe is not going to work.
543
00:25:06,071 --> 00:25:08,369
- I shouldn't use the cigarette
at all, really?
544
00:25:08,406 --> 00:25:11,375
- I don't think so.
It's too, um����too much.
545
00:25:11,409 --> 00:25:12,967
- Too much?
546
00:25:13,011 --> 00:25:15,343
[inhaling]
547
00:25:17,115 --> 00:25:19,640
Hi, I'm Mark Harrington
from ACT UP New York.
548
00:25:19,684 --> 00:25:20,981
A lot of people
have been asking,
549
00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:23,419
"Why are AlDS activists
going to the FDA?"
550
00:25:23,455 --> 00:25:24,922
First of all,
you have to understand
551
00:25:24,956 --> 00:25:27,424
that the FDA is one of the many
federal AlDS bureaucracies
552
00:25:27,459 --> 00:25:29,324
which we're angry with
for not doing enough
553
00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:30,487
in the fight against AlDS.
554
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,156
Half the people who take AZT
555
00:25:32,197 --> 00:25:33,824
can't take it
'cause of side effects.
556
00:25:33,865 --> 00:25:36,493
And therefore, the FDA has
to take a more activist stance
557
00:25:36,535 --> 00:25:37,968
in the experimental process.
558
00:25:38,003 --> 00:25:39,834
And only the FDA
has the power
559
00:25:39,871 --> 00:25:41,702
under existing laws
and regulations
560
00:25:41,740 --> 00:25:44,971
to release the drugs
that we want released now.
561
00:25:45,010 --> 00:25:46,341
[static buzzing]
How's that?
562
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:50,477
crowd: AZT is not enough!
563
00:25:50,515 --> 00:25:52,483
Give us all the other stuff!
564
00:25:52,517 --> 00:25:54,508
AZT is not enough!
565
00:25:54,553 --> 00:25:56,453
Give us
all the other stuff!
566
00:25:56,488 --> 00:25:58,456
AZT is not enough!
567
00:25:58,490 --> 00:25:59,855
Give us all the other stuff!
568
00:25:59,891 --> 00:26:03,691
- It takes nine months
to test a drug in Europe,
569
00:26:03,728 --> 00:26:04,922
in Belgium, in France,
570
00:26:04,963 --> 00:26:06,362
in Germany, in England.
571
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:11,028
We are not asking the FDA
to release dangerous drugs
572
00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:13,537
without safety or efficacy.
573
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:18,134
We are simply asking the FDA
to do it quicker.
574
00:26:18,176 --> 00:26:19,734
crowd: Drugs for sale!
575
00:26:19,778 --> 00:26:21,006
Drugs for sale!
576
00:26:21,046 --> 00:26:22,843
- Dextran sulfate for sale.
577
00:26:22,881 --> 00:26:24,041
Get your dextran here.
578
00:26:24,082 --> 00:26:25,913
You can't get it inside.
579
00:26:25,951 --> 00:26:27,976
[indistinct chanting]
580
00:26:28,019 --> 00:26:30,419
- FDA�����
but we're selling it anyway.
581
00:26:30,455 --> 00:26:31,979
- $30 for dextran sulfate!
582
00:26:32,023 --> 00:26:33,888
crowd: Release the drugs now!
583
00:26:33,925 --> 00:26:35,916
Release the drugs now!
584
00:26:35,961 --> 00:26:37,553
Release the drugs now!
585
00:26:37,596 --> 00:26:41,555
Get to work!
Get to work!
586
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,728
Get to work!
Get to work!
587
00:26:44,769 --> 00:26:46,999
Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!
Guilty!
588
00:26:47,038 --> 00:26:48,505
Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!
589
00:26:48,540 --> 00:26:50,235
Guilty! Guilty!
Guilty!
590
00:26:50,275 --> 00:26:52,072
Guilty! Guilty! Guilty!
Guilty!
591
00:26:52,110 --> 00:26:54,203
Seize control!
Seize control!
592
00:26:54,245 --> 00:26:56,577
Seize control! Seize control!
Seize control!
593
00:26:56,615 --> 00:26:57,741
- Keep it moving!
594
00:26:57,782 --> 00:26:58,908
Keep it moving!
595
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:01,248
- Seize control!
Seize control!
596
00:27:01,286 --> 00:27:02,844
Seize control!
Seize control!
597
00:27:02,887 --> 00:27:04,752
- Fight AlDS!
Act up!
598
00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:05,756
Fight back!
599
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:06,848
- Fight AlDS!
600
00:27:06,891 --> 00:27:08,518
Stand up! Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
601
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,619
- What's going on?
What's going on?
602
00:27:10,662 --> 00:27:12,254
- Seize control!
603
00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:14,356
Seize control!
Seize control!
604
00:27:14,399 --> 00:27:16,697
crowd: Seize control!
Seize control!
605
00:27:16,735 --> 00:27:20,000
Seize control!
Seize control!
606
00:27:20,038 --> 00:27:22,199
Seize control!
Seize control!
607
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,708
- Seize control!
608
00:27:24,743 --> 00:27:29,578
[cheers and applause]
609
00:27:33,018 --> 00:27:36,613
[cameras clicking]
610
00:27:36,655 --> 00:27:42,116
[indistinct shouting
and chanting]
611
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,492
[whistle blows]
612
00:27:45,864 --> 00:27:47,126
- Start fighting!
613
00:27:47,165 --> 00:27:48,792
- Come on, tell us why
you got arrested.
614
00:27:48,833 --> 00:27:50,733
Where are they taking you?
What's going on today?
615
00:27:50,769 --> 00:27:52,964
- We don't know what's�����
where they're taking us.
616
00:27:53,004 --> 00:27:54,562
We're here
because this government
617
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:56,631
has the resources
to deal with the AlDS epidemic,
618
00:27:56,675 --> 00:27:58,734
and they won't do it
unless we force them.
619
00:27:58,777 --> 00:28:00,802
- l.J. Hutchins
reports live from Rockville,
620
00:28:00,845 --> 00:28:02,642
where the massive protest
is wrapping up.
621
00:28:02,681 --> 00:28:03,807
I.J.?
622
00:28:03,848 --> 00:28:05,281
- Well, Jim,
it's being billed
623
00:28:05,316 --> 00:28:07,443
as one of Montgomery County's
biggest demonstrations
624
00:28:07,485 --> 00:28:09,214
in recent history,
and it went off smoothly.
625
00:28:09,254 --> 00:28:10,585
1 85 arrests,
626
00:28:10,622 --> 00:28:12,590
as a coalition of gay groups
came to Rockville
627
00:28:12,624 --> 00:28:15,092
to shut down the FDA.
628
00:28:18,229 --> 00:28:22,290
- Tonight, from Washington,
Crossfire: Against All Odds.
629
00:28:22,333 --> 00:28:24,267
On the left, Tom Braden.
630
00:28:24,302 --> 00:28:26,202
On the right, Pat Buchanan.
631
00:28:26,237 --> 00:28:28,102
In the cross fire,
Peter Staley
632
00:28:28,139 --> 00:28:31,438
of the New York AlDS Coalition
to Unleash Power.
633
00:28:31,476 --> 00:28:33,671
- Peter Staley,
you have the AlDS virus,
634
00:28:33,712 --> 00:28:36,510
and I am sorry.
635
00:28:36,548 --> 00:28:40,848
But don't you think that
the Federal Drug Administration
636
00:28:40,885 --> 00:28:44,844
has a responsibility
not to let people,
637
00:28:44,889 --> 00:28:48,655
such as you, have quacks
638
00:28:48,693 --> 00:28:52,185
that could cause even more harm
than you already have?
639
00:28:52,230 --> 00:28:53,629
- The problem is,
640
00:28:53,665 --> 00:28:56,634
is that the FDA
is using the same process
641
00:28:56,668 --> 00:28:58,533
to test a nasal spray
642
00:28:58,570 --> 00:29:00,697
as it is to test AlDS drugs,
643
00:29:00,739 --> 00:29:02,798
and it's a seven-
to ten-year process.
644
00:29:02,841 --> 00:29:05,708
- You have the FDA
giving you a drug.
645
00:29:05,744 --> 00:29:08,713
So far, you've got AZT.
Why����
646
00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:09,873
- Which I can't take
647
00:29:09,914 --> 00:29:11,245
because it's too�����
far too toxic.
648
00:29:11,282 --> 00:29:14,115
And over half the people
that have HlV can't take it.
649
00:29:14,152 --> 00:29:16,120
- Okay, but the FDA says
650
00:29:16,154 --> 00:29:20,921
there is nothing else
that is worth anything.
651
00:29:20,959 --> 00:29:22,722
- Mr. Staley,
this is gonna astonish you,
652
00:29:22,761 --> 00:29:24,160
but I agree with you 1 00%.
653
00:29:24,195 --> 00:29:25,389
I think if someone's got AlDS
654
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:26,897
and someone
wants to take a drug,
655
00:29:26,931 --> 00:29:28,660
it's their life,
and if it gives them hope,
656
00:29:28,700 --> 00:29:29,997
they ought to be able
to take it.
657
00:29:30,034 --> 00:29:31,092
What I want to ask you
658
00:29:31,136 --> 00:29:32,933
is whether you know
of anything
659
00:29:32,971 --> 00:29:36,065
that you think might be
some kind of miraculous cure
660
00:29:36,107 --> 00:29:38,075
that you think
they're sitting on at FDA.
661
00:29:38,109 --> 00:29:40,577
- There are over 1 40 drugs
out there
662
00:29:40,612 --> 00:29:44,241
that the FDA has identified
as possibilities
663
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:47,080
and are in some stage
of being looked at right now.
664
00:29:47,118 --> 00:29:48,244
- Why are they holding back?
665
00:29:48,286 --> 00:29:49,583
- Among that 1 40,
666
00:29:49,621 --> 00:29:52,419
there's got to be one
or a combination thereof
667
00:29:52,457 --> 00:29:55,255
that can�����
that can slow down this virus
668
00:29:55,293 --> 00:29:56,885
or halt it in its tracks.
669
00:29:56,928 --> 00:29:58,327
- You're just simply
carrying the virus.
670
00:29:58,363 --> 00:29:59,387
Is that correct?
671
00:29:59,430 --> 00:30:01,762
- I have a few
very minor symptoms,
672
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,893
and my immune system
is virtually shot.
673
00:30:03,935 --> 00:30:05,334
- What would you
like to take?
674
00:30:05,370 --> 00:30:07,930
- I would like to be able to
take dextran sulfate legally.
675
00:30:07,972 --> 00:30:09,166
- How would that hurt you?
676
00:30:09,207 --> 00:30:10,970
- I'm taking it
on the underground right now.
677
00:30:11,009 --> 00:30:12,203
- Well, why not, Mr. Braden?
678
00:30:12,243 --> 00:30:14,211
- Because�����
well, I don't know anything
679
00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:15,269
about dextran sulfate.
680
00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:16,405
- Well, I'll tell you this.
681
00:30:16,447 --> 00:30:18,210
It's an over-the-counter drug
in Japan
682
00:30:18,249 --> 00:30:19,944
and has been for 20 years.
683
00:30:19,984 --> 00:30:22,145
- But�����
- Over-the-counter, yes.
684
00:30:22,187 --> 00:30:23,814
- But if the FDA says����
685
00:30:23,855 --> 00:30:25,447
- I'm only asking
that they be released
686
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:28,459
after there's a minimal amount
of efficacy,
687
00:30:28,493 --> 00:30:30,961
not a 1 00% test.
688
00:30:30,995 --> 00:30:33,293
- You've got the pink triangle
on your shirt,
689
00:30:33,331 --> 00:30:34,491
"Silence equals death."
690
00:30:34,532 --> 00:30:36,124
I gather that means
you're a homosexual.
691
00:30:36,167 --> 00:30:37,156
- Yes.
692
00:30:37,202 --> 00:30:38,191
- Looking in the camera,
693
00:30:38,236 --> 00:30:39,396
what would you tell some kid����
694
00:30:39,437 --> 00:30:41,132
say you had a younger brother,
21 years old,
695
00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:44,232
who also might
have homosexual tendencies;
696
00:30:44,275 --> 00:30:45,333
what would you tell him
697
00:30:45,376 --> 00:30:46,809
if you wanted him
to live a long life?
698
00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:47,971
- Use a condom
699
00:30:48,012 --> 00:30:50,139
and also to use a lubricant,
by the way,
700
00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:52,649
that has the medicine�����
701
00:30:52,684 --> 00:30:54,549
- This is Russian roulette.
702
00:30:54,586 --> 00:30:56,053
- It is not Russian roulette.
703
00:30:56,087 --> 00:30:58,988
It is Russian roulette to
not give people this information
704
00:30:59,023 --> 00:31:01,651
when human nature dictates
that they're gonna go out there,
705
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:02,785
and they're gonna have sex.
706
00:31:02,827 --> 00:31:04,226
- You mean
celibacy is impossible?
707
00:31:04,262 --> 00:31:05,354
- It's just not gonna work.
708
00:31:05,396 --> 00:31:06,886
People aren't gonna do it,
and lots�����
709
00:31:06,931 --> 00:31:08,228
Iots of people
are gonna die.
710
00:31:08,266 --> 00:31:10,826
Now, would you rather have
711
00:31:10,869 --> 00:31:12,837
a lot of people
cheating on their celibacy
712
00:31:12,871 --> 00:31:14,338
with thousands of people
dying,
713
00:31:14,372 --> 00:31:15,930
or would you rather
save those lives
714
00:31:15,974 --> 00:31:17,339
and let them have sex?
715
00:31:17,375 --> 00:31:18,501
- I think that, uh����
716
00:31:18,543 --> 00:31:20,511
Well, thank you very much,
Peter Staley.
717
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:21,876
Thanks for being
in our studio.
718
00:31:21,913 --> 00:31:23,938
Mr. Braden and l
will be back in a minute.
719
00:31:27,552 --> 00:31:29,679
- One of the things
we wanted
720
00:31:29,721 --> 00:31:32,519
was a drug
that you gave to people
721
00:31:32,557 --> 00:31:36,857
who had cytomegalovirus
and advanced AlDS,
722
00:31:36,895 --> 00:31:41,195
because people who had both
tended to go blind.
723
00:31:41,232 --> 00:31:42,893
It was called DHPG.
724
00:31:42,934 --> 00:31:45,903
[somber music]
725
00:31:45,937 --> 00:31:53,935
? ?
726
00:32:13,264 --> 00:32:15,061
In a way similar to AZT,
727
00:32:15,099 --> 00:32:16,396
it was highly toxic,
728
00:32:16,434 --> 00:32:18,231
but it was known
to be effective
729
00:32:18,269 --> 00:32:22,069
because 6,000 people
had already used the drug
730
00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:25,405
but never in a clinical trial.
731
00:32:25,443 --> 00:32:27,434
crowd: Hey, hey, FDA!
732
00:32:27,478 --> 00:32:29,742
How many people
did you kill today?
733
00:32:29,781 --> 00:32:31,578
- We are with Jim Eigo
from ACT UP,
734
00:32:31,616 --> 00:32:34,414
and there's a major protest
going on here in Bethesda
735
00:32:34,452 --> 00:32:36,079
over the drug DHPG.
736
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,087
Tell us what's happening.
737
00:32:37,121 --> 00:32:39,089
- Well,
this is the second meeting
738
00:32:39,123 --> 00:32:42,092
of the Bush commission
for reviewing procedures
739
00:32:42,126 --> 00:32:44,754
for approving AlDS
and cancer drugs.
740
00:32:44,796 --> 00:32:48,596
And we thought,
since the non-approval of DHPG
741
00:32:48,633 --> 00:32:50,430
is such a perfect example
742
00:32:50,468 --> 00:32:52,595
of how regulation
has gone wrong,
743
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:54,764
we'd bring it home
to the commission itself
744
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:56,103
by showing up here in force,
745
00:32:56,140 --> 00:32:57,437
and that's what we've done.
746
00:32:57,475 --> 00:32:59,602
- Okay, also inside
at the hearing itself.
747
00:32:59,644 --> 00:33:01,236
And I understand
there's going to be
748
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:02,541
an action
in just a little while
749
00:33:02,580 --> 00:33:03,604
when Ellen Cooper speaks.
750
00:33:03,648 --> 00:33:05,309
- I guess so.
751
00:33:07,719 --> 00:33:09,118
- What about DHPG?
752
00:33:09,153 --> 00:33:10,450
- What about DHPG?
753
00:33:10,488 --> 00:33:11,785
- What about DHPG?
754
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:13,814
[overlapping voices]
755
00:33:13,858 --> 00:33:15,120
- Without the objective data,
756
00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:19,459
we feel that we would indeed
be on�����
757
00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:21,124
on treacherous grounds
758
00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:23,133
in defending that decision
759
00:33:23,167 --> 00:33:24,464
and, in fact,
would be wide open
760
00:33:24,502 --> 00:33:27,130
to the charge of arbitrary
decision-making.
761
00:33:27,171 --> 00:33:29,469
Although, uh, we certainly
762
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:31,407
wouldn't be accused
of being inflexible.
763
00:33:31,442 --> 00:33:32,670
- You did it with AZT.
764
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:34,803
I don't see
why you can't do it with...
765
00:33:34,846 --> 00:33:36,313
- I mean, I have to say
766
00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:38,144
that the difference
in the data
767
00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:40,650
between AZT And DHPG
768
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:43,313
is the difference between
night and day, as far as����
769
00:33:43,354 --> 00:33:44,912
- Sight and blindness.
770
00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:45,980
- You're just as blind����
771
00:33:46,024 --> 00:33:47,992
- Lose your life
and lose your sight.
772
00:33:48,026 --> 00:33:50,392
- People have died
since this meeting started,
773
00:33:50,428 --> 00:33:52,988
and four more are gonna die
before it's over.
774
00:33:53,031 --> 00:33:54,726
- Who represents the patient
on this panel?
775
00:33:54,766 --> 00:33:56,996
- Where is a person of color
on this panel?
776
00:33:57,035 --> 00:34:02,337
- FDA relooks at the DHPG data
and suddenly, "Oh!"
777
00:34:02,373 --> 00:34:05,501
Agrees with ACT UP.
778
00:34:05,543 --> 00:34:08,205
- Ready for a vote?
779
00:34:08,246 --> 00:34:12,182
All in favor,
raise your hand.
780
00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:13,979
One, two...
781
00:34:14,018 --> 00:34:15,918
Well, that's everyone.
782
00:34:15,953 --> 00:34:19,514
[cheers and applause]
783
00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:21,354
- It was really
an amazing encounter,
784
00:34:21,392 --> 00:34:24,190
but it sort of felt like
reaching the Wizard of Oz.
785
00:34:24,228 --> 00:34:25,957
Like, you got to the center
of the whole�����
786
00:34:25,997 --> 00:34:27,294
of the whole system,
787
00:34:27,331 --> 00:34:29,196
and there's just this schmuck
behind a curtain.
788
00:34:29,233 --> 00:34:31,030
There was no guiding agenda.
789
00:34:31,069 --> 00:34:32,195
There was no leadership.
790
00:34:32,236 --> 00:34:33,965
There was no global strategy
791
00:34:34,005 --> 00:34:36,838
for how to deal with AlDS
in the U.S.
792
00:34:36,874 --> 00:34:38,739
And so on the bus
back from Bethesda,
793
00:34:38,776 --> 00:34:41,370
we decided
to write a treatment agenda,
794
00:34:41,412 --> 00:34:43,937
because nobody was dealing
with the entire map of AlDS,
795
00:34:43,981 --> 00:34:46,211
the entire constellation
of opportunistic infections,
796
00:34:46,250 --> 00:34:47,308
the gaps in research,
797
00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:49,012
the underrepresented
populations,
798
00:34:49,053 --> 00:34:51,112
the fact that the diseases
and the drugs
799
00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:52,782
might be different
in those populations.
800
00:34:52,824 --> 00:34:53,791
How would we ever find out?
801
00:34:53,825 --> 00:34:55,087
They weren't even being studied.
802
00:34:55,126 --> 00:34:56,115
[carefree music]
803
00:34:56,160 --> 00:34:57,889
- Jump on the bus!
804
00:34:57,929 --> 00:35:01,057
- ? In the dark of night ?
805
00:35:01,099 --> 00:35:04,227
? I laid myself ?
806
00:35:04,268 --> 00:35:07,328
? To rest ?
807
00:35:07,371 --> 00:35:10,602
? Step out of the strange... ?
808
00:35:10,641 --> 00:35:11,835
- Bye, Ron!
809
00:35:11,876 --> 00:35:15,334
Bye, Bobby!
810
00:35:15,379 --> 00:35:16,778
- Come on, Catherine,
let's go.
811
00:35:16,814 --> 00:35:18,839
- It's time to go.
- Yeah.
812
00:35:18,883 --> 00:35:22,046
? ?
813
00:35:22,086 --> 00:35:24,418
- ? Again ?
814
00:35:24,455 --> 00:35:27,356
? Come to life ?
815
00:35:27,391 --> 00:35:29,882
crowd:
Crisis knows no borders!
816
00:35:29,927 --> 00:35:32,919
The AlDS crisis
knows no borders!
817
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:34,488
The AlDS crisis
818
00:35:34,532 --> 00:35:35,931
knows no borders!
819
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:37,491
The AlDS crisis
820
00:35:37,535 --> 00:35:39,025
knows no borders!
821
00:35:39,070 --> 00:35:40,731
The AlDS crisis
822
00:35:40,771 --> 00:35:42,102
knows no borders!
823
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,631
The AlDS crisis
knows no borders!
824
00:35:46,043 --> 00:35:47,271
- I'd just like to say
825
00:35:47,311 --> 00:35:49,211
that the reasons
I can't get any of these drugs
826
00:35:49,247 --> 00:35:51,442
is 'cause,
for nine years now,
827
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:53,109
the leadership
in this country
828
00:35:53,151 --> 00:35:55,915
has failed to come up
with a plan of action.
829
00:35:55,953 --> 00:35:59,116
They've failed to come up with
a plan of research,
830
00:35:59,157 --> 00:36:01,625
a national research agenda.
831
00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:03,456
People with AlDS
and their advocates
832
00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:05,962
have finally done this
for them.
833
00:36:05,997 --> 00:36:07,624
This is it.
834
00:36:07,665 --> 00:36:09,633
This is the plan
we're presenting.
835
00:36:09,667 --> 00:36:11,635
We need our government
to read this plan.
836
00:36:11,669 --> 00:36:13,296
We need them
to work with us.
837
00:36:13,337 --> 00:36:15,134
If they want to change it
a little,
838
00:36:15,173 --> 00:36:16,470
we'll talk to them.
839
00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:18,134
But I want them to adopt it.
840
00:36:18,176 --> 00:36:19,643
I want them
to get started on it.
841
00:36:19,677 --> 00:36:22,305
I want them to save our lives.
Thank you.
842
00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:23,574
[applause]
843
00:36:23,614 --> 00:36:25,514
- I snuck around
and grabbed����
844
00:36:25,550 --> 00:36:27,415
uh, grabbed
one of those copies.
845
00:36:27,451 --> 00:36:29,282
And it was very interesting.
846
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,981
- We believe that
the United States
847
00:36:31,022 --> 00:36:32,489
has a global responsibility
848
00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:34,650
to quickly develop
effective treatments
849
00:36:34,692 --> 00:36:37,160
not only
for HlV infection itself
850
00:36:37,195 --> 00:36:39,095
but for all of
the opportunistic infections,
851
00:36:39,130 --> 00:36:40,757
which actually
cause suffering and death
852
00:36:40,798 --> 00:36:41,992
in people living with AlDS.
853
00:36:42,033 --> 00:36:44,001
- This is not a new agenda,
854
00:36:44,035 --> 00:36:46,833
and it is not an agenda
of only ACT UP.
855
00:36:46,871 --> 00:36:48,338
Scientists agree with this.
856
00:36:48,372 --> 00:36:49,498
Why can't we have it?
857
00:36:49,540 --> 00:36:51,167
- The researchers
and regulators
858
00:36:51,209 --> 00:36:52,699
are going to have to
come up with
859
00:36:52,743 --> 00:36:54,608
a parallel release program
860
00:36:54,645 --> 00:36:56,977
that will get drugs
to the people who need it
861
00:36:57,014 --> 00:36:59,642
before the five years
down the pipe
862
00:36:59,684 --> 00:37:01,845
where they may be approved
by the FDA.
863
00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:04,684
- I was scribbling madly
in this copy of their����
864
00:37:04,722 --> 00:37:06,519
their AlDS Treatment
Research Agenda.
865
00:37:06,557 --> 00:37:09,856
I would go back and forth
between saying, "No, no!
866
00:37:09,894 --> 00:37:11,521
They don't understand!"
867
00:37:11,562 --> 00:37:13,496
To saying,
"Whoa, you mean
868
00:37:13,531 --> 00:37:15,499
"this isn't the way
we're doing trials?
869
00:37:15,533 --> 00:37:18,297
You mean people aren't allowed
to do this or that?"
870
00:37:18,336 --> 00:37:21,203
But I have to tell you
that I was still not ready
871
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,036
to sort of go up to them
872
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:24,598
and try����
try and engage.
873
00:37:24,642 --> 00:37:26,371
I brought this copy back,
874
00:37:26,410 --> 00:37:29,208
and I distributed it to
a small group of statisticians
875
00:37:29,247 --> 00:37:31,044
that was meeting regularly
876
00:37:31,082 --> 00:37:33,676
to talk about
trial design issues.
877
00:37:33,718 --> 00:37:35,151
The people sitting
around that table
878
00:37:35,186 --> 00:37:36,813
got as excited as I did.
879
00:37:36,854 --> 00:37:38,879
This had clearly been written
by people
880
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:41,391
who were very knowledgeable,
881
00:37:41,425 --> 00:37:44,053
very, very intelligent,
882
00:37:44,095 --> 00:37:45,392
and really wanted
883
00:37:45,429 --> 00:37:47,056
to do the trials
the best possible way.
884
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:48,565
They were not against trials.
885
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:50,066
They wanted
to get the right answers,
886
00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:52,899
but they wanted
what they called humane trials.
887
00:37:52,937 --> 00:37:55,371
- It all came together
in Montreal,
888
00:37:55,406 --> 00:37:59,103
but what was new
for ACT UP...
889
00:37:59,143 --> 00:38:00,770
We went to a drug company.
890
00:38:00,811 --> 00:38:03,746
- There is renewed hope
for people infected with AlDS.
891
00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:06,306
A new experimental drug, ddl,
892
00:38:06,350 --> 00:38:08,079
will be distributed
on a limited basis
893
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:09,984
for free this fall
by its developer,
894
00:38:10,021 --> 00:38:11,818
the giant
Bristol-Myers company.
895
00:38:11,856 --> 00:38:13,414
This marks the first time
896
00:38:13,457 --> 00:38:15,084
an anti-AlDS drug
will be available
897
00:38:15,126 --> 00:38:17,321
even before safety testing
is finished.
898
00:38:17,361 --> 00:38:21,024
Full AZT treatment is too much
for patient Peter Staley.
899
00:38:21,065 --> 00:38:22,430
For nine months,
he's been limited
900
00:38:22,466 --> 00:38:23,728
to a quarter-dose of the drug
901
00:38:23,768 --> 00:38:25,929
and wants ddl
as soon as possible.
902
00:38:25,970 --> 00:38:28,029
- Do you need ddl to live,
do you think?
903
00:38:28,072 --> 00:38:30,438
- Yes, I need����
I need ddl.
904
00:38:30,474 --> 00:38:33,136
I probably need some other
antivirals beyond that.
905
00:38:33,177 --> 00:38:34,974
- It is historic.
906
00:38:35,012 --> 00:38:37,947
It is because
the AlDS activist community
907
00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:39,609
has obtained this drug.
908
00:38:39,650 --> 00:38:41,618
It is not the government.
909
00:38:41,652 --> 00:38:42,949
No one has given it to us.
910
00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:44,113
We have fought for it,
911
00:38:44,155 --> 00:38:45,679
and for the first time,
we have won.
912
00:38:45,723 --> 00:38:47,452
[indistinct chanting]
913
00:38:47,491 --> 00:38:50,289
- So by '89, less than a year
after our FDA demo,
914
00:38:50,328 --> 00:38:51,625
they had approved a drug
915
00:38:51,662 --> 00:38:53,289
to prevent blindness
in people with AlDS.
916
00:38:53,331 --> 00:38:56,129
And we had gotten
expanded access to ddl,
917
00:38:56,167 --> 00:38:58,795
and that was
a very powerful feeling.
918
00:38:58,836 --> 00:39:00,963
We felt like
we were taking direct action,
919
00:39:01,005 --> 00:39:03,997
and we were helping
make people's lives better.
920
00:39:07,845 --> 00:39:10,905
I wasn't sure that AZT or ddl
were all that great,
921
00:39:10,948 --> 00:39:12,813
but we were beginning
to get letters from people
922
00:39:12,850 --> 00:39:14,977
that said, "Thank you
for saving my eyesight."
923
00:39:15,019 --> 00:39:17,487
"Thank you, ACT UP,
for getting me access to ddl
924
00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:18,852
and helping to save my life."
925
00:39:26,197 --> 00:39:31,999
- At Merck, HlV was an important
scientific target.
926
00:39:32,036 --> 00:39:34,095
HlV, of course, is a virus.
927
00:39:34,138 --> 00:39:38,165
In order for the virus
to infect an uninfected cell,
928
00:39:38,209 --> 00:39:42,543
it needs to construct itself
in a particular way.
929
00:39:42,580 --> 00:39:45,845
First, the viral RNA
needs to transform itself
930
00:39:45,883 --> 00:39:48,010
into a DNA copy
931
00:39:48,052 --> 00:39:49,519
in order to knit itself
932
00:39:49,553 --> 00:39:53,011
into the nuclear DNA
of the newly infected cell.
933
00:39:53,057 --> 00:39:56,686
This occurs by a process
called reverse transcription.
934
00:39:56,727 --> 00:40:01,357
AZT and ddl were both
originally developed
935
00:40:01,399 --> 00:40:06,029
to try to inhibit that process
of establishing infection.
936
00:40:06,070 --> 00:40:08,038
A number of other researchers
937
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:09,869
began to focus on
another portion
938
00:40:09,907 --> 00:40:11,204
of the viral life cycle:
939
00:40:11,242 --> 00:40:13,676
after the cell
is already infected.
940
00:40:13,711 --> 00:40:16,509
One of the steps
that it takes is that�����
941
00:40:16,547 --> 00:40:19,880
is, it makes a viral protein.
942
00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:22,215
It has to snip
that viral protein
943
00:40:22,253 --> 00:40:24,153
in very specific places.
944
00:40:24,188 --> 00:40:27,715
The resulting pieces
self-assemble
945
00:40:27,758 --> 00:40:29,726
to make the viral particle.
946
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,387
And what does the snipping
947
00:40:31,429 --> 00:40:33,397
and what in fact
controls the snipping
948
00:40:33,431 --> 00:40:36,559
is a viral protein
called the protease.
949
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,728
If you genetically modify
the viral protease
950
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:41,067
so that
it can no longer snip,
951
00:40:41,105 --> 00:40:42,902
the virus no longer
has the ability
952
00:40:42,940 --> 00:40:45,738
to make those component pieces
that it needs to make
953
00:40:45,776 --> 00:40:47,073
in order to self-assemble
954
00:40:47,111 --> 00:40:49,443
and make
an infectious viral particle.
955
00:40:50,948 --> 00:40:54,577
- We solved the structure
of HlV protease in 1 989
956
00:40:54,618 --> 00:40:57,086
and published it
pretty quickly.
957
00:40:57,121 --> 00:40:59,589
I think�����
I think we saw the structure,
958
00:40:59,623 --> 00:41:01,784
and within a few weeks,
it was in the literature.
959
00:41:01,826 --> 00:41:03,054
- And then the question
became,
960
00:41:03,093 --> 00:41:04,355
"All right,
can we prove it?"
961
00:41:04,395 --> 00:41:06,420
Can we prove it that
that is, in fact, the case?
962
00:41:06,464 --> 00:41:07,931
And most importantly,
963
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:11,093
can we prove that
if you inhibit that protease,
964
00:41:11,135 --> 00:41:12,932
if you knock out
its activity,
965
00:41:12,970 --> 00:41:15,598
that the virus
can no longer replicate
966
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,937
and therefore
make new progeny viral particles
967
00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:19,101
that would then go on
968
00:41:19,143 --> 00:41:20,770
and establish
a new cycle of infection?
969
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:28,118
[heartbeat thumping]
970
00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:29,847
- AlDS is now
the leading cause of death
971
00:41:29,887 --> 00:41:31,115
for men under 44
972
00:41:31,155 --> 00:41:33,783
in New York
and a half dozen other cities,
973
00:41:33,824 --> 00:41:36,292
surpassing homicide
and all other diseases.
974
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:38,727
Yet Roman Catholic bishops
are meeting this week
975
00:41:38,762 --> 00:41:40,957
to publicly oppose
the use of condoms
976
00:41:40,998 --> 00:41:42,932
as morally unacceptable.
977
00:41:42,967 --> 00:41:45,128
This puts them
in direct opposition
978
00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:47,160
to U.S. public health policy.
979
00:41:48,639 --> 00:41:50,300
- The new church position
980
00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:53,469
condemns not only
the immorality of condoms
981
00:41:53,511 --> 00:41:55,638
but their effectiveness
as well.
982
00:41:55,679 --> 00:41:58,477
The draft under consideration
in Baltimore this week
983
00:41:58,516 --> 00:42:00,711
says it is,
"A virtual certainty
984
00:42:00,751 --> 00:42:02,981
"that reliance on condoms
985
00:42:03,020 --> 00:42:06,217
will result
in transmission of AlDS. "
986
00:42:06,257 --> 00:42:08,088
Of the bishop's
proposed new policy,
987
00:42:08,125 --> 00:42:10,593
New York City health
commissioner Stephen Joseph
988
00:42:10,628 --> 00:42:11,686
says...
989
00:42:11,729 --> 00:42:13,822
- This would be
a public health disaster.
990
00:42:13,864 --> 00:42:16,662
It would undoubtedly
lead to more transmission,
991
00:42:16,700 --> 00:42:19,999
particularly in high-risk areas
of the city,
992
00:42:20,037 --> 00:42:21,470
more disease and more death.
993
00:42:21,505 --> 00:42:23,166
- Catholic conservatives say
994
00:42:23,207 --> 00:42:24,674
not just physical death
995
00:42:24,708 --> 00:42:27,506
but spiritual death
is at issue here.
996
00:42:27,545 --> 00:42:29,172
As New York City's
archbishop,
997
00:42:29,213 --> 00:42:31,010
John Cardinal O'Connor
put it...
998
00:42:31,048 --> 00:42:33,846
- The use of prophylactics
is immoral
999
00:42:33,884 --> 00:42:36,978
in a pluralistic society
or any other society.
1000
00:42:38,689 --> 00:42:40,350
- I think that's it, except,
1001
00:42:40,391 --> 00:42:42,359
of course,
we have Ann Northrop
1002
00:42:42,393 --> 00:42:44,020
giving her sound bite
technique.
1003
00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:47,053
[cheers and applause]
1004
00:42:53,571 --> 00:42:57,029
- Uh, we want everybody
to join us,
1005
00:42:57,074 --> 00:42:58,541
to support us,
1006
00:42:58,576 --> 00:43:01,704
to destroy the power
of the Catholic Church,
1007
00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:04,509
to make our side
the strong one.
1008
00:43:04,548 --> 00:43:05,776
And to do that,
1009
00:43:05,816 --> 00:43:08,876
we must put out the message
that we are the ones
1010
00:43:08,919 --> 00:43:12,184
who are fighting
for people's lives,
1011
00:43:12,222 --> 00:43:14,554
and they are the murderers.
1012
00:43:14,592 --> 00:43:17,060
Don't be afraid of the media.
1013
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:20,393
You're talking through them
to the public.
1014
00:43:20,431 --> 00:43:25,562
We are trying to arouse,
to anger an action.
1015
00:43:25,603 --> 00:43:29,232
And hone it down to, yes,
a three-second bite,
1016
00:43:29,273 --> 00:43:31,241
a five-second bite,
1017
00:43:31,275 --> 00:43:33,903
just a phrase
that will have an impact,
1018
00:43:33,944 --> 00:43:37,072
that will say something
specific
1019
00:43:37,114 --> 00:43:40,083
and that will be
understandable.
1020
00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:43,416
So...
1021
00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:46,446
[laughter and applause]
1022
00:43:49,059 --> 00:43:50,424
- Thanks for the advice.
1023
00:43:50,461 --> 00:43:53,589
- I don't have
a phrase worked out,
1024
00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,532
and so you're all
gonna have to create your own,
1025
00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:58,091
so this is empowerment.
1026
00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:01,127
[laughter]
1027
00:44:03,741 --> 00:44:05,003
- Act up!
1028
00:44:05,042 --> 00:44:07,033
Act up!
1029
00:44:07,077 --> 00:44:09,102
[chanting indistinctly]
1030
00:44:09,146 --> 00:44:10,943
- ? Answer me ?
1031
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:12,949
? Sweet Jesus ?
1032
00:44:12,983 --> 00:44:16,942
? Won't you help me? ?
1033
00:44:16,987 --> 00:44:18,477
- Please,
you're interfering with us.
1034
00:44:18,522 --> 00:44:20,183
Step back.
- This is Jesus Christ.
1035
00:44:20,224 --> 00:44:23,125
I'm in front of St. Patrick's
Cathedral on Sunday.
1036
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,788
We're here reporting on
a major AlDS activist
1037
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:28,127
and abortion-rights activist
demonstration,
1038
00:44:28,165 --> 00:44:30,463
which will be taking place here
all morning.
1039
00:44:30,501 --> 00:44:32,969
Inside, Cardinal O'Connor
1040
00:44:33,003 --> 00:44:35,471
is busy spreading his lies
and rumors
1041
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:37,804
about the position
of lesbians and gays.
1042
00:44:37,841 --> 00:44:41,004
We're here to say
we want to go to heaven too.
1043
00:44:58,362 --> 00:45:01,058
- J.C. here with
the Fire and Brimstone Network,
1044
00:45:01,098 --> 00:45:02,497
and we'd like to ask you
a little bit
1045
00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:05,900
about this large vision
that you've visited upon us.
1046
00:45:05,936 --> 00:45:07,801
- Well, we've decided
to rename the cardinal.
1047
00:45:07,838 --> 00:45:09,999
He's now Cardinal O'Condom.
1048
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,270
This is our message to him
that condoms are safe.
1049
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:13,469
It's no sin.
1050
00:45:22,186 --> 00:45:25,178
[crowd shouting]
1051
00:45:37,868 --> 00:45:42,532
[whistle blows,
people murmuring]
1052
00:45:42,573 --> 00:45:44,336
- Stop killing us!
1053
00:45:44,374 --> 00:45:48,208
Stop killing us!
Stop killing us!
1054
00:45:48,245 --> 00:45:50,304
We're not gonna take it
anymore!
1055
00:45:50,347 --> 00:45:51,814
You're killing us!
1056
00:45:51,849 --> 00:45:54,443
Stop it!
Stop it!
1057
00:45:54,485 --> 00:45:55,747
Stop it!
1058
00:45:55,786 --> 00:45:57,014
crowd: Stop it!
1059
00:45:57,054 --> 00:45:59,648
Stop it!
Stop it!
1060
00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:00,850
Stop it!
1061
00:46:00,891 --> 00:46:02,916
[organ music playing]
1062
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,894
- How many more have to die?
1063
00:46:04,928 --> 00:46:06,953
How many more have to die?
1064
00:46:06,997 --> 00:46:09,727
Saving lives
is morally right!
1065
00:46:09,767 --> 00:46:11,257
- Those protesting
1066
00:46:11,301 --> 00:46:13,064
believe that
the protests will result
1067
00:46:13,103 --> 00:46:17,062
in some change of environment,
1068
00:46:17,107 --> 00:46:20,076
some change of attitudes,
perhaps.
1069
00:46:20,110 --> 00:46:21,737
The church will be teaching
1070
00:46:21,779 --> 00:46:24,748
that homosexual activity
is sinful,
1071
00:46:24,782 --> 00:46:25,908
until the end of time.
1072
00:46:25,949 --> 00:46:27,075
That won't change.
1073
00:46:27,117 --> 00:46:28,584
[carefree music]
1074
00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:29,586
[camera clicks]
1075
00:46:29,620 --> 00:46:33,078
? ?
1076
00:46:33,123 --> 00:46:35,990
- This is July 22, 1 989.
1077
00:46:36,026 --> 00:46:37,084
Now, Sara,
1078
00:46:37,127 --> 00:46:39,687
what do you think
about your dad being 44?
1079
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:40,754
- Good.
1080
00:46:40,798 --> 00:46:42,288
[laughter]
1081
00:46:42,332 --> 00:46:44,095
- Thank you.
Thank you for your support.
1082
00:46:44,134 --> 00:46:46,295
One, two, three.
1083
00:46:49,072 --> 00:46:50,096
Yay!
[applauding]
1084
00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:53,109
We did it.
1085
00:46:53,143 --> 00:46:54,201
A lot of smoke.
1086
00:46:54,244 --> 00:46:55,404
- Oh, boy.
1087
00:46:55,445 --> 00:46:57,106
- I wish those candles
would stop smoking.
1088
00:46:57,147 --> 00:46:58,273
It's bad for their health.
1089
00:46:58,315 --> 00:46:59,407
- That's right.
1090
00:46:59,449 --> 00:47:01,610
Okay, Robert Rafsky,
do you have any remarks
1091
00:47:01,652 --> 00:47:03,517
before you jump off
the edge of the porch?
1092
00:47:03,554 --> 00:47:05,784
- I have no interest in jumping
off the edge of the porch.
1093
00:47:05,823 --> 00:47:06,949
I will jump up and down.
1094
00:47:06,990 --> 00:47:08,787
I think 44
is a very fine age.
1095
00:47:08,826 --> 00:47:10,293
It has a nice symmetry
to it.
1096
00:47:10,327 --> 00:47:12,124
It has a nice feeling
to it.
1097
00:47:12,162 --> 00:47:15,188
It's, uh, better than 22
and possibly better than 88.
1098
00:47:15,232 --> 00:47:16,290
We'll see.
1099
00:47:16,333 --> 00:47:17,960
- [laughs]
1100
00:47:18,001 --> 00:47:19,901
- Here's how we planned this.
1101
00:47:19,937 --> 00:47:21,427
What we want to do
1102
00:47:21,471 --> 00:47:24,463
is run this like
a Treatment and Data meeting.
1103
00:47:24,508 --> 00:47:26,533
A number of times,
we've had people
1104
00:47:26,577 --> 00:47:27,976
come to
a Treatment and Data meeting
1105
00:47:28,011 --> 00:47:30,639
and speak on certain issues.
1106
00:47:30,681 --> 00:47:32,148
We try to get in depth.
1107
00:47:32,182 --> 00:47:34,309
We try to nail issues down.
1108
00:47:34,351 --> 00:47:36,319
This isn't a free-for-all.
1109
00:47:36,353 --> 00:47:38,981
Let's call it
a working confrontation.
1110
00:47:39,022 --> 00:47:40,990
So why don't we start?
1111
00:47:41,024 --> 00:47:43,151
This is Dr. Anthony Fauci.
1112
00:47:43,193 --> 00:47:45,093
Bob Rafsky.
1113
00:47:45,128 --> 00:47:46,652
- I may be wrong,
Dr. Fauci,
1114
00:47:46,697 --> 00:47:48,995
but it's my understanding
1115
00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:52,490
that thousands of people
died from pneumonia
1116
00:47:52,536 --> 00:47:55,664
because there was no priority
within the government
1117
00:47:55,706 --> 00:47:58,334
or within the medical system
as a whole
1118
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:01,003
to push the known
preventative treatments
1119
00:48:01,044 --> 00:48:02,602
for a long time.
1120
00:48:02,646 --> 00:48:05,342
Now, those thousands of people
are dead.
1121
00:48:05,382 --> 00:48:07,179
It would seem to me
that someone
1122
00:48:07,217 --> 00:48:10,448
who was within the government
while that took place,
1123
00:48:10,487 --> 00:48:11,852
as you were,
1124
00:48:11,889 --> 00:48:15,620
must have on their conscience
these deaths.
1125
00:48:15,659 --> 00:48:17,354
- That is a tough one, um...
1126
00:48:17,394 --> 00:48:19,225
[audience exclaims]
No, it really is.
1127
00:48:19,263 --> 00:48:21,993
It's inexcusable
that an academic priority
1128
00:48:22,032 --> 00:48:24,432
should ever, ever
come before
1129
00:48:24,468 --> 00:48:26,459
the health of the people
that you're working with.
1130
00:48:26,503 --> 00:48:27,765
There's no question
about that.
1131
00:48:27,804 --> 00:48:30,830
But the reality
of the situation is,
1132
00:48:30,874 --> 00:48:34,207
there was a great reluctance
1133
00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:37,873
among the community
of everything
1134
00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:40,213
from the scientists
to the Congress
1135
00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:42,844
saying that
what we should be doing
1136
00:48:42,886 --> 00:48:47,050
is not telling investigators
what to do,
1137
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,388
but we should allow them
to do
1138
00:48:49,426 --> 00:48:51,223
what they feel
is the most important.
1139
00:48:51,261 --> 00:48:52,888
Now, that sounds awful
1140
00:48:52,930 --> 00:48:54,727
when you're putting it
in the context
1141
00:48:54,765 --> 00:48:56,790
of what we're talking about
here,
1142
00:48:56,833 --> 00:48:59,233
but the whole world
isn't in this room.
1143
00:48:59,269 --> 00:49:01,134
crowd: Every 1 2 minutes,
someone dies!
1144
00:49:01,171 --> 00:49:03,901
Protests won me a Nobel Prize!
1145
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,136
Every 1 2 minutes,
someone dies!
1146
00:49:06,176 --> 00:49:08,576
[chanting continues
indistinctly]
1147
00:49:08,612 --> 00:49:10,739
- AlDS activists
stormed the government's
1148
00:49:10,781 --> 00:49:12,749
premiere disease research
center.
1149
00:49:12,783 --> 00:49:14,410
The National
lnstitutes of Health
1150
00:49:14,451 --> 00:49:16,749
is where an AlDS cure
might be found.
1151
00:49:16,787 --> 00:49:18,414
It is where therapies
are being tested
1152
00:49:18,455 --> 00:49:19,752
in clinical trials.
1153
00:49:19,790 --> 00:49:21,314
crowd: No more
secret meetings!
1154
00:49:21,358 --> 00:49:22,586
No more secret...
1155
00:49:22,626 --> 00:49:24,924
- Demonstrators
blocked access to buildings.
1156
00:49:24,962 --> 00:49:27,260
Scientists and administrators
reporting to work
1157
00:49:27,297 --> 00:49:29,857
stood around
looking confused.
1158
00:49:29,900 --> 00:49:31,629
Activists charged
the Bush administration
1159
00:49:31,668 --> 00:49:34,136
with foot-dragging
on AlDS research.
1160
00:49:34,171 --> 00:49:36,435
It's not the amount of
federal money allocated to it
1161
00:49:36,473 --> 00:49:39,465
so much as how research
priorities are defined.
1162
00:49:39,509 --> 00:49:41,272
- We need new drugs
to keep people alive,
1163
00:49:41,311 --> 00:49:43,438
but the NlH
is only testing old drugs,
1164
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:44,708
drugs that we already have.
1165
00:49:44,748 --> 00:49:46,113
- Can you tell us
what you're doing?
1166
00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:47,616
- Hi, I'm Jim Jenson,
1167
00:49:47,651 --> 00:49:49,448
and I'm in
a clinical trial here.
1168
00:49:49,486 --> 00:49:50,578
And right now,
1169
00:49:50,620 --> 00:49:52,611
I'm observing
and participating in
1170
00:49:52,656 --> 00:49:54,123
the ACT UP demonstration.
1171
00:49:54,157 --> 00:49:55,749
- Why?
Why do you support this action?
1172
00:49:55,792 --> 00:49:58,625
- Because we need
far more AlDS research.
1173
00:49:58,662 --> 00:49:59,788
And we're just beginning.
1174
00:49:59,830 --> 00:50:01,195
- What trial are you in?
1175
00:50:01,231 --> 00:50:04,792
- I'm in interleukin-2 AZT
combination study.
1176
00:50:04,835 --> 00:50:06,462
- Are there any women
in your trial?
1177
00:50:06,503 --> 00:50:07,970
- No, there aren't any women
at all.
1178
00:50:08,005 --> 00:50:09,131
- People of color?
1179
00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:10,799
- Uh, no, there are not.
1180
00:50:10,841 --> 00:50:12,035
- Why do you think that is?
1181
00:50:12,075 --> 00:50:13,064
- [laughs]
1182
00:50:13,110 --> 00:50:14,975
Just the beginning
of the problem.
1183
00:50:15,012 --> 00:50:16,343
crowd: Murder, murder!
1184
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:17,506
- There are three major things
1185
00:50:17,547 --> 00:50:18,980
that control NlH research:
1186
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:21,985
stupidity, incompetence,
and greed.
1187
00:50:22,019 --> 00:50:23,816
Those are the three major
driving forces
1188
00:50:23,854 --> 00:50:24,980
behind what's going on here
1189
00:50:25,022 --> 00:50:26,614
and why there are
no treatments out there
1190
00:50:26,656 --> 00:50:28,089
for people
living with this disease.
1191
00:50:28,125 --> 00:50:29,319
[crowd shouting]
1192
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:30,656
In that building
down that way,
1193
00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:33,322
Dr. Anthony Fauci is deciding
the research priorities
1194
00:50:33,363 --> 00:50:34,421
for the National lnstitutes
1195
00:50:34,464 --> 00:50:36,557
of Allergy
and lnfectious Diseases.
1196
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,897
We're down here
'cause we think
1197
00:50:37,934 --> 00:50:39,526
we should be deciding
the research priorities,
1198
00:50:39,569 --> 00:50:41,298
because these are the people
who know what's going on
1199
00:50:41,338 --> 00:50:42,999
'cause they're dealing with it
every day.
1200
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:46,999
[crowd shouting and cheering]
1201
00:50:47,044 --> 00:50:50,844
[whistle blowing]
1202
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:53,349
[people shouting indistinctly]
1203
00:50:53,383 --> 00:50:55,214
crowd: The whole world
is watching!
1204
00:50:55,252 --> 00:50:57,015
The whole world is watching!
1205
00:50:57,054 --> 00:50:58,851
The whole world
is watching!
1206
00:50:58,889 --> 00:51:00,516
The whole world is watching!
1207
00:51:00,557 --> 00:51:02,320
The whole world
is watching!
1208
00:51:02,359 --> 00:51:04,350
The whole world is watching!
1209
00:51:04,394 --> 00:51:06,589
The whole world
is watching!
1210
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:08,188
The whole world is watching!
1211
00:51:08,231 --> 00:51:10,028
The whole world
is watching!
1212
00:51:10,067 --> 00:51:14,367
[crowd shouting indistinctly]
1213
00:51:14,404 --> 00:51:18,033
[drums beating,
indistinct shouting]
1214
00:51:38,595 --> 00:51:40,893
[smashing]
1215
00:51:40,931 --> 00:51:43,058
- If anything,
the mood after the NlH
1216
00:51:43,100 --> 00:51:44,897
was even bleaker
than the mood before,
1217
00:51:44,935 --> 00:51:46,266
because we had no indication
1218
00:51:46,303 --> 00:51:49,898
that they were gonna change
or respond to our demands,
1219
00:51:49,940 --> 00:51:52,238
and we had in fact had a meeting
with them in Bethesda
1220
00:51:52,275 --> 00:51:53,401
after the NlH action
1221
00:51:53,443 --> 00:51:55,411
that indicated
that there was total resistance
1222
00:51:55,445 --> 00:51:57,242
to putting people
from the community
1223
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,577
on the research committees,
1224
00:51:58,615 --> 00:52:01,243
to letting the ACT UP observers
attend the meetings,
1225
00:52:01,284 --> 00:52:02,410
and to open up the meetings
1226
00:52:02,452 --> 00:52:03,919
so that
they weren't secret anymore.
1227
00:52:03,954 --> 00:52:05,751
Why should science
be shrouded in secrecy?
1228
00:52:05,789 --> 00:52:08,758
It's supposed to be based on
a free exchange of ideas.
1229
00:52:08,792 --> 00:52:12,626
And so it was very important
to stage in San Francisco����
1230
00:52:12,662 --> 00:52:15,096
before, again, the global
community of scientists
1231
00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:16,599
and people working on AlDS����
1232
00:52:16,633 --> 00:52:18,430
why we had been at the NlH,
1233
00:52:18,468 --> 00:52:20,936
why the U.S. system
wasn't working out,
1234
00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,939
and to reach the people
directly
1235
00:52:22,973 --> 00:52:26,602
that we had reached symbolically
through the NlH action.
1236
00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:29,635
[indistinct chatter]
1237
00:52:32,582 --> 00:52:35,574
[indistinct chatter]
1238
00:52:40,824 --> 00:52:43,122
- About 1 00 protesters
have already been arrested
1239
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,684
at the lnternational
AlDS Conference
1240
00:52:44,728 --> 00:52:47,026
that began today
in San Francisco.
1241
00:52:47,063 --> 00:52:48,860
Hundreds more
are angrily protesting
1242
00:52:48,899 --> 00:52:50,093
a government policy
1243
00:52:50,133 --> 00:52:54,035
they say neglects research
and ostracizes victims.
1244
00:52:54,070 --> 00:52:56,561
- Why don't you do
an informational slide first?
1245
00:52:56,606 --> 00:52:58,801
"United States
has the most discriminatory
1246
00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:00,969
immigration policies
regarding HlV."
1247
00:53:01,011 --> 00:53:06,142
- I could say, you know,
as a way to bridge the, uh����
1248
00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:09,311
the rift between the scientific
community����all of you����
1249
00:53:09,352 --> 00:53:12,981
and the activists, we'd like you
to join in some activism.
1250
00:53:13,023 --> 00:53:14,991
And I've always been
painfully aware
1251
00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:18,324
that in order for me
to beat this virus and live,
1252
00:53:18,361 --> 00:53:20,522
I will need a great deal of help
from all of you.
1253
00:53:22,532 --> 00:53:23,999
Can we all,
1254
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:25,160
before it's too late,
1255
00:53:25,202 --> 00:53:27,830
begin to understand
each other?
1256
00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:33,173
Will we realize that
we share similar motivations?
1257
00:53:33,210 --> 00:53:34,768
During the upcoming days,
1258
00:53:34,811 --> 00:53:37,006
ACT UP New York
will be handing out
1259
00:53:37,047 --> 00:53:38,844
our AlDS Treatment Agenda,
1260
00:53:38,882 --> 00:53:41,350
which includes a list
of 99 drugs
1261
00:53:41,384 --> 00:53:43,011
that we believe
could be ready
1262
00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:46,545
for small Phase I studies
this year or next.
1263
00:53:48,225 --> 00:53:50,853
However, from your side,
1264
00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:54,694
we're being constantly told
to butt out.
1265
00:53:54,731 --> 00:53:58,531
On my side, the level
of anger and frustration
1266
00:53:58,568 --> 00:54:00,195
is reaching such a point
1267
00:54:00,237 --> 00:54:04,537
that attitudes claiming that
all of you are uncaring
1268
00:54:04,574 --> 00:54:08,704
and in it for greed
are now widespread.
1269
00:54:08,745 --> 00:54:11,373
While at times
we may offend you,
1270
00:54:11,414 --> 00:54:14,042
remember as well that
like you,
1271
00:54:14,084 --> 00:54:17,383
ACT UP has succeeded
in prolonging the lives
1272
00:54:17,420 --> 00:54:20,389
of thousands of people
living with HlV disease.
1273
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:25,053
[cheers and applause]
1274
00:54:25,095 --> 00:54:28,064
I would like to be joined
in front of the stage
1275
00:54:28,098 --> 00:54:30,225
by my fellow AlDS activists.
1276
00:54:30,267 --> 00:54:31,495
Would you all come up?
1277
00:54:31,534 --> 00:54:32,660
[applause]
1278
00:54:32,702 --> 00:54:37,401
At this moment,
there are others just like us
1279
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:39,408
who are trying
to get into this conference
1280
00:54:39,442 --> 00:54:41,569
but are being barred
by the billy clubs
1281
00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,738
of San Francisco police.
1282
00:54:43,780 --> 00:54:45,748
And there are
still others like us
1283
00:54:45,782 --> 00:54:47,409
who are trying
to get through customs
1284
00:54:47,450 --> 00:54:49,247
at the San Francisco airport
1285
00:54:49,286 --> 00:54:52,949
but are being detained instead
because they are gay.
1286
00:54:52,989 --> 00:54:56,254
There's a man that could have
prevented these absurdities.
1287
00:54:56,293 --> 00:54:57,590
This man has said that
1288
00:54:57,627 --> 00:55:00,755
he would like to see
a kinder, gentler nation.
1289
00:55:00,797 --> 00:55:03,095
If you believe
that the immigration policy
1290
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:05,260
barring people
living with HlV disease
1291
00:55:05,302 --> 00:55:08,100
from entering this country
is useless as a health policy
1292
00:55:08,138 --> 00:55:09,935
and discriminatory as well,
1293
00:55:09,973 --> 00:55:14,774
please stand now
and remain standing.
1294
00:55:14,811 --> 00:55:16,608
[cheering and applause]
1295
00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:20,104
Join us in vocalizing
our collective anger.
1296
00:55:20,150 --> 00:55:22,448
Join us
in a chant against the man
1297
00:55:22,485 --> 00:55:24,282
who could bring down
the lNS barriers.
1298
00:55:24,321 --> 00:55:26,949
Join us
in a chant against the man
1299
00:55:26,990 --> 00:55:28,082
who has decided to show
1300
00:55:28,124 --> 00:55:29,785
his commitment
to fighting AlDS
1301
00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:31,794
by refusing to be here today.
1302
00:55:31,828 --> 00:55:34,797
Instead,
he is, at this very moment,
1303
00:55:34,831 --> 00:55:37,698
in North Carolina,
attending a fund-raiser
1304
00:55:37,734 --> 00:55:40,965
for the homophobic author
of the lNS barriers,
1305
00:55:41,004 --> 00:55:43,302
that pig in the senate
known as Jesse Helms.
1306
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:44,637
[crowd boos and jeers]
1307
00:55:44,674 --> 00:55:46,608
Join us in this chant:
1308
00:55:46,643 --> 00:55:48,474
300,000 dead from AlDS.
1309
00:55:48,511 --> 00:55:50,479
Where is George?
1310
00:55:50,513 --> 00:55:52,981
crowd:
300,000 dead from AlDS.
1311
00:55:53,016 --> 00:55:54,643
Where is George?
1312
00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:56,845
300,000 dead from AlDS.
1313
00:55:56,886 --> 00:55:58,786
Where is George?
1314
00:55:58,822 --> 00:56:01,154
300,000 dead from AlDS.
1315
00:56:01,191 --> 00:56:03,284
Where is George?
1316
00:56:03,326 --> 00:56:05,487
- You can all
now consider yourselves
1317
00:56:05,528 --> 00:56:07,155
members of ACT UP.
1318
00:56:07,197 --> 00:56:10,189
[cheers and applause]
1319
00:56:15,372 --> 00:56:17,499
- One of the things
that happened in San Francisco
1320
00:56:17,540 --> 00:56:21,340
was that we found out we had won
some of our NlH demands.
1321
00:56:21,378 --> 00:56:23,505
Fauci came up to me and said,
"We had a meeting.
1322
00:56:23,546 --> 00:56:24,945
"We decided that
we're gonna put you guys
1323
00:56:24,981 --> 00:56:26,414
"on all the committees,
1324
00:56:26,449 --> 00:56:28,144
"and we're gonna let your
observers go to the meetings,
1325
00:56:28,184 --> 00:56:29,481
and the meetings
won't be secret anymore."
1326
00:56:29,519 --> 00:56:32,977
- Never again
1327
00:56:33,022 --> 00:56:36,185
could any of this be done
1328
00:56:36,226 --> 00:56:39,525
without taking people with AlDS
and their advocates
1329
00:56:39,562 --> 00:56:41,189
into consideration.
1330
00:56:41,231 --> 00:56:47,067
This would be public business
from now on.
1331
00:56:47,103 --> 00:56:49,367
- You know, we should all
be going through the bushes
1332
00:56:49,406 --> 00:56:52,534
Iike this,
like, sticking our heads up.
1333
00:56:52,575 --> 00:56:54,338
It was beginning to feel
a little different
1334
00:56:54,377 --> 00:56:56,242
because we'd spent all the time
up until then
1335
00:56:56,279 --> 00:56:57,541
being on the outside,
1336
00:56:57,580 --> 00:56:59,707
sort of beating on the doors
and trying to get in,
1337
00:56:59,749 --> 00:57:02,217
and now they actually wanted
to hear what we had to say.
1338
00:57:02,252 --> 00:57:05,221
[peaceful music]
1339
00:57:05,255 --> 00:57:13,253
? ?
1340
00:57:19,269 --> 00:57:21,237
- We brought them in
at Merck.
1341
00:57:21,271 --> 00:57:23,899
We made�����we made
a very specific effort
1342
00:57:23,940 --> 00:57:25,567
to bring
those individuals in
1343
00:57:25,608 --> 00:57:28,168
so that they would see
what it is that we were doing����
1344
00:57:28,211 --> 00:57:29,838
or trying to do����
from the very beginning.
1345
00:57:29,879 --> 00:57:32,404
- This was really fantastic
stuff
1346
00:57:32,449 --> 00:57:35,577
because we were sitting down
with them, and����
1347
00:57:35,618 --> 00:57:37,916
sometimes from
the very earliest stages
1348
00:57:37,954 --> 00:57:39,251
of the development
of a drug����
1349
00:57:39,289 --> 00:57:41,757
and helping them plot out
their strategy
1350
00:57:41,791 --> 00:57:44,123
toward designing
clinical trials.
1351
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,594
- The chemists who had worked
on the project,
1352
00:57:46,629 --> 00:57:48,529
a bunch�����
a couple chemists said,
1353
00:57:48,565 --> 00:57:51,363
"Let's look at all
the aspartic protease inhibitors
1354
00:57:51,401 --> 00:57:52,766
that we have on the shelf."
1355
00:57:52,802 --> 00:57:54,269
And they tested 'em,
1356
00:57:54,304 --> 00:57:57,137
and they found a few molecules
that actually worked.
1357
00:57:57,173 --> 00:57:59,607
The challenge was,
is now you had these molecules
1358
00:57:59,642 --> 00:58:02,941
that were really good inhibitors
in your assay,
1359
00:58:02,979 --> 00:58:04,776
which is just in a test tube.
1360
00:58:04,814 --> 00:58:06,441
When you put it into animals,
1361
00:58:06,483 --> 00:58:07,609
they just would never work,
1362
00:58:07,650 --> 00:58:09,948
or they would never get absorbed
by your system.
1363
00:58:09,986 --> 00:58:11,544
- And I remember
being very disappointed
1364
00:58:11,588 --> 00:58:13,249
'cause I had to share
this information
1365
00:58:13,289 --> 00:58:15,951
with sort of my own
personal view, which was,
1366
00:58:15,992 --> 00:58:17,459
this is gonna be
a lot more difficult than,
1367
00:58:17,494 --> 00:58:19,121
you know, we thought
it was gonna be originally
1368
00:58:19,162 --> 00:58:20,789
and in fact
may not be possible.
1369
00:58:20,830 --> 00:58:22,798
And Bill Bahlman said,
"Take a break,
1370
00:58:22,832 --> 00:58:24,959
pick yourself up,
and go back at it."
1371
00:58:25,001 --> 00:58:28,300
If he and his colleagues
and his friends around the table
1372
00:58:28,338 --> 00:58:29,965
can take that attitude
and do that,
1373
00:58:30,006 --> 00:58:31,337
I remember saying to myself,
1374
00:58:31,374 --> 00:58:33,968
"Emilio, you've got no right
to say to yourself,
1375
00:58:34,010 --> 00:58:36,376
'l don't know if I can do this,'
all right?"
1376
00:58:36,412 --> 00:58:39,142
And so off we went.
1377
00:58:39,182 --> 00:58:41,309
And we kept going at it.
1378
00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:44,843
- We're spending $4 billion
a year on AlDS research.
1379
00:58:44,888 --> 00:58:47,152
When you consider that
on a per capita basis for����
1380
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:49,488
compared to heart disease
or cancer,
1381
00:58:49,526 --> 00:58:50,823
it's an awful lot.
1382
00:58:50,860 --> 00:58:53,158
- Almost nothing
stops George Bush
1383
00:58:53,196 --> 00:58:54,322
from a round of golf.
1384
00:58:54,364 --> 00:58:55,831
He's played nearly every day-
1385
00:58:55,865 --> 00:58:57,332
and sometimes twice a day-
1386
00:58:57,367 --> 00:58:58,834
during his August vacation.
1387
00:58:58,868 --> 00:59:02,099
[upbeat jazzy music]
1388
00:59:02,138 --> 00:59:03,332
- ? I'll be glad ?
1389
00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:05,204
? When you're dead,
you rascal, you ?
1390
00:59:05,241 --> 00:59:06,208
- ? Rascal, you ?
1391
00:59:06,242 --> 00:59:07,504
- ? I'll be laughin' ?
1392
00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:09,444
? When you're in your grave,
you dog ?
1393
00:59:09,479 --> 00:59:10,741
- ? Dirty dog ?
1394
00:59:10,780 --> 00:59:12,509
- ? When you're dead
and in your grave ?
1395
00:59:12,549 --> 00:59:14,517
? No more ravioli
will you crave ?
1396
00:59:14,551 --> 00:59:16,678
- If the message is research,
1397
00:59:16,719 --> 00:59:18,516
I would say
please talk to Dr. Fauci
1398
00:59:18,555 --> 00:59:20,853
and others at the National
lnstitute of Health,
1399
00:59:20,890 --> 00:59:22,585
who will tell you that
1400
00:59:22,625 --> 00:59:26,026
we're doing pretty well
in funding of research.
1401
00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:27,154
- ? Dirty dog ?
1402
00:59:27,196 --> 00:59:29,426
- ? I invite you
to my house for a meal ?
1403
00:59:29,465 --> 00:59:31,990
? All my meatballs
you tried to steal ?
1404
00:59:32,035 --> 00:59:33,366
? Mm ?
1405
00:59:33,403 --> 00:59:35,667
? You're a devil, yeah ?
1406
00:59:35,705 --> 00:59:37,764
- Act up!
Fight back!
1407
00:59:37,807 --> 00:59:38,865
Fight AlDS!
1408
00:59:38,908 --> 00:59:46,906
? ?
1409
00:59:50,286 --> 00:59:52,516
- We've got to factor in
1410
00:59:52,555 --> 00:59:58,084
the sensitivity
of those of us
1411
00:59:58,127 --> 01:00:03,565
who feel that there's
a spiritual and moral aspect
1412
01:00:03,600 --> 01:00:07,400
to this playing
to the homosexual,
1413
01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:08,597
Iesbian crowd.
1414
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,967
It makes it different
from anything else.
1415
01:00:13,009 --> 01:00:14,306
- Oh, sh����
1416
01:00:14,344 --> 01:00:17,074
- I wish they'd shut
their mouths and go to work
1417
01:00:17,113 --> 01:00:19,411
and keep their private matters
to themselves
1418
01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:22,043
and get their mentality
out of their crotches.
1419
01:00:22,085 --> 01:00:23,985
- I'm here today because
Jesse Helms is the devil.
1420
01:00:24,020 --> 01:00:25,920
Jesse Helms
has worked for years
1421
01:00:25,955 --> 01:00:27,582
to do as much
as he possibly can
1422
01:00:27,624 --> 01:00:29,524
to ensure the continuance
of the AlDS epidemic.
1423
01:00:29,559 --> 01:00:31,424
- The disease is spreading
because of him,
1424
01:00:31,461 --> 01:00:33,486
and people are dying
because of him.
1425
01:00:33,529 --> 01:00:34,928
- This is an educational effort.
1426
01:00:34,964 --> 01:00:37,228
It's not a violation
of people's property rights.
1427
01:00:37,266 --> 01:00:39,826
We've been very careful that
absolutely no damage is done,
1428
01:00:39,869 --> 01:00:41,268
and if any damage is done,
1429
01:00:41,304 --> 01:00:43,602
whatever it is,
we'll be happy to pay for it.
1430
01:00:43,640 --> 01:00:47,406
We have the money with us
to pay for it.
1431
01:00:47,443 --> 01:00:48,876
- You guys don't want to tangle
with these people
1432
01:00:48,911 --> 01:00:49,900
'cause you don't want
to get AlDS.
1433
01:00:49,946 --> 01:00:51,971
I know, but what's next?
1434
01:00:52,015 --> 01:00:53,642
Come on, get out.
1435
01:00:53,683 --> 01:00:55,617
- If they would
keep their mouths shut
1436
01:00:55,652 --> 01:00:57,119
and go about their business
1437
01:00:57,153 --> 01:00:59,781
with whatever
their sexual orientation is,
1438
01:00:59,822 --> 01:01:01,016
nobody would ever say a word,
1439
01:01:01,057 --> 01:01:02,615
and we wouldn't know anything
about it.
1440
01:01:02,659 --> 01:01:04,286
But, no,
they march in the streets,
1441
01:01:04,327 --> 01:01:08,127
and they defy you to say
anything about it.
1442
01:01:08,164 --> 01:01:10,064
Well, they don't like me,
and I don't like them.
1443
01:01:10,099 --> 01:01:11,464
- Back off the property.
1444
01:01:11,501 --> 01:01:14,368
- Bunch of 'em climbed up
on my house in Arlington
1445
01:01:14,404 --> 01:01:19,273
and hoisted about
a 35-foot canvas, uh, condom,
1446
01:01:19,308 --> 01:01:21,469
one day,
in protest of me.
1447
01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:23,445
[upbeat jazzy music,
cheering]
1448
01:01:23,479 --> 01:01:24,571
- Fight AlDS!
Fight AlDS!
1449
01:01:24,614 --> 01:01:27,014
Fight AlDS!
Fight!
1450
01:01:27,050 --> 01:01:28,244
- ? I'll be glad ?
1451
01:01:28,284 --> 01:01:32,584
? When you're dead,
you rascal, you ?
1452
01:01:32,622 --> 01:01:33,680
[music fades and ends]
1453
01:01:33,723 --> 01:01:35,190
- Sir, when we started
this colloquy,
1454
01:01:35,224 --> 01:01:36,714
I thought
I was on your side,
1455
01:01:36,759 --> 01:01:39,227
particularly
on the First Amendment.
1456
01:01:39,262 --> 01:01:40,524
And under
the First Amendment,
1457
01:01:40,563 --> 01:01:42,121
people don't have to
shut their mouths.
1458
01:01:42,165 --> 01:01:44,497
They have a right to speak.
1459
01:01:44,534 --> 01:01:47,970
- Well, uh...they can speak,
1460
01:01:48,004 --> 01:01:50,131
uh, just so long as, uh,
1461
01:01:50,173 --> 01:01:51,800
they don't offend
anybody else,
1462
01:01:51,841 --> 01:01:53,741
uh, I suppose.
1463
01:01:53,776 --> 01:01:59,180
[monks vocalizing]
1464
01:01:59,215 --> 01:02:01,513
- Make sure your second coming
1465
01:02:01,551 --> 01:02:03,382
is a safe one.
1466
01:02:06,222 --> 01:02:08,520
Use condoms.
1467
01:02:08,558 --> 01:02:09,855
Are you shooting?
1468
01:02:09,892 --> 01:02:11,189
- Yeah.
1469
01:02:11,227 --> 01:02:15,288
I just turned it on.
1470
01:02:15,331 --> 01:02:16,889
Okay, rolling.
1471
01:02:21,904 --> 01:02:23,030
Tell him we're rolling.
1472
01:02:23,072 --> 01:02:24,198
- The machine is rolling.
1473
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:26,731
You can start talking now,
honey.
1474
01:02:26,776 --> 01:02:29,870
- Oh, I didn't know
she meant now.
1475
01:02:29,912 --> 01:02:32,710
What I was gonna say was,
I just love����
1476
01:02:32,749 --> 01:02:36,241
I love so much
to go up to the tenth floor
1477
01:02:36,285 --> 01:02:40,722
because no one
ever had explained to me
1478
01:02:40,757 --> 01:02:46,559
that there was going to be light
again in the world
1479
01:02:46,596 --> 01:02:51,363
and that the whole world
wasn't going to be dark.
1480
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:56,736
Some great challenges face us
as young people.
1481
01:02:56,773 --> 01:02:59,742
We're in our 20s, and����
1482
01:02:59,776 --> 01:03:01,573
and this is the challenge
1483
01:03:01,611 --> 01:03:04,239
that's been placed
in front of me.
1484
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:06,805
And, who knows,
little camera.
1485
01:03:06,849 --> 01:03:10,080
Lots of other blind, deaf men
1486
01:03:10,119 --> 01:03:12,451
have lived happy lives.
1487
01:03:14,290 --> 01:03:18,624
There are�����
there are many years to come.
1488
01:03:19,962 --> 01:03:21,930
Let's hope.
1489
01:03:21,964 --> 01:03:23,795
So...
1490
01:03:26,135 --> 01:03:28,103
What the hell?
1491
01:03:28,137 --> 01:03:29,263
Life is worth living.
1492
01:03:29,305 --> 01:03:31,796
[chuckles]
lsn't it?
1493
01:03:42,552 --> 01:03:47,285
- The death rate
just kept on climbing.
1494
01:03:47,323 --> 01:03:48,620
We realized that science
1495
01:03:48,658 --> 01:03:51,718
really was up against
a brick wall.
1496
01:03:51,761 --> 01:03:53,626
We kept getting new drugs
approved
1497
01:03:53,663 --> 01:03:55,290
to prevent
opportunistic infections,
1498
01:03:55,331 --> 01:03:57,993
and then somebody would just
get another infection.
1499
01:04:32,869 --> 01:04:34,530
- So, Peter,
where are we going?
1500
01:04:34,570 --> 01:04:36,333
- We're gonna be going
to the headquarters
1501
01:04:36,372 --> 01:04:40,502
of Daiichi pharmaceutical
companies of Japan.
1502
01:04:40,543 --> 01:04:42,704
This is
their U.S. headquarters,
1503
01:04:42,745 --> 01:04:45,339
and we're blockading
their offices
1504
01:04:45,381 --> 01:04:47,508
because they have a drug
1505
01:04:47,550 --> 01:04:49,848
that's important
both to AlDS activists
1506
01:04:49,886 --> 01:04:52,013
and to cancer activists,
1507
01:04:52,054 --> 01:04:55,854
specifically
breast cancer,
1508
01:04:55,892 --> 01:04:59,521
that they've been
dragging their feet on
1509
01:04:59,562 --> 01:05:01,359
for over two years now,
1510
01:05:01,397 --> 01:05:03,695
and we don't understand why,
1511
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:07,533
but we certainly are gonna
try to let them understand
1512
01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:09,595
why we're concerned.
1513
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:10,628
And, everybody...
1514
01:05:10,673 --> 01:05:12,197
- Wait for you
at the end of the hall.
1515
01:05:12,241 --> 01:05:14,709
- Just wait
outside the elevators.
1516
01:05:14,744 --> 01:05:17,212
- Shh.
1517
01:05:17,246 --> 01:05:18,372
- Hey.
1518
01:05:18,414 --> 01:05:19,881
Hi, we're with ACT UP.
1519
01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:21,884
We're doing
an act of civil disobedience.
1520
01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:24,716
Please remain calm.
1521
01:05:24,754 --> 01:05:26,722
Jim, it's Peter.
We're in.
1522
01:05:26,756 --> 01:05:29,020
Send all the press.
1523
01:05:29,058 --> 01:05:31,925
- Hello,
we're from ACT UP New York.
1524
01:05:40,336 --> 01:05:41,564
- You already have the blood
1525
01:05:41,604 --> 01:05:43,663
of several thousand people
on your hands,
1526
01:05:43,706 --> 01:05:44,900
and those of us like me
1527
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:47,569
who have Kaposi's sarcoma
are gonna die,
1528
01:05:47,610 --> 01:05:50,044
and we are here
until we get arrested.
1529
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:52,240
- You seem to know nothing
about the actual details
1530
01:05:52,281 --> 01:05:53,908
of the development
of this drug.
1531
01:05:53,950 --> 01:05:55,611
Maybe you're just
not telling us.
1532
01:05:55,651 --> 01:05:58,518
- Mr. Borsic, have you scheduled
a meeting with the FDA?
1533
01:05:58,554 --> 01:05:59,816
- Yeah, as soon as we can.
1534
01:05:59,855 --> 01:06:02,255
- We have helped many companies
through this process.
1535
01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:05,749
We can take a drug from
your test tube to the market
1536
01:06:05,795 --> 01:06:08,093
in under two years
if you work with us,
1537
01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:09,927
and we will pave the way
for you
1538
01:06:09,966 --> 01:06:11,763
with the Food and Drug
Administration.
1539
01:06:11,801 --> 01:06:14,269
But this total reluctance
on your part
1540
01:06:14,303 --> 01:06:15,497
is gonna get you nowhere.
1541
01:06:15,538 --> 01:06:17,438
- Have been used in people
for 30 years.
1542
01:06:17,473 --> 01:06:19,532
- lt'll end up killing us,
all right?
1543
01:06:19,575 --> 01:06:21,440
- See this dark mark
on my forehead?
1544
01:06:21,477 --> 01:06:23,775
That's Kaposi's sarcoma.
1545
01:06:23,813 --> 01:06:25,280
It's gonna spread!
1546
01:06:25,314 --> 01:06:26,611
It's gonna kill me.
1547
01:06:26,649 --> 01:06:28,276
You coming to my funeral?
1548
01:06:28,317 --> 01:06:30,785
Because you're the man
fucking responsible.
1549
01:06:30,820 --> 01:06:34,153
You are my murderer
in your shirt and tie.
1550
01:06:38,494 --> 01:06:41,622
- Do you think
that you'll live to see a cure?
1551
01:06:41,664 --> 01:06:42,790
- No.
1552
01:06:42,832 --> 01:06:44,265
I don't.
1553
01:06:44,300 --> 01:06:48,134
- Do you think
that you'll live?
1554
01:06:48,170 --> 01:06:51,037
- No. No.
1555
01:06:51,073 --> 01:06:54,201
- You expect to die from this?
1556
01:06:54,243 --> 01:06:57,212
[somber music]
1557
01:06:57,246 --> 01:07:05,244
? ?
1558
01:07:08,858 --> 01:07:11,156
- The anger just mounted
and mounted and mounted
1559
01:07:11,193 --> 01:07:13,161
the more people
who were dying.
1560
01:07:13,195 --> 01:07:15,993
Once a week, we met.
1561
01:07:16,032 --> 01:07:17,192
And at that meeting,
1562
01:07:17,233 --> 01:07:19,326
a lot of people came
who were just terrified
1563
01:07:19,368 --> 01:07:22,496
they weren't gonna be alive
even the next week.
1564
01:07:22,538 --> 01:07:24,972
What can we do?
How can we get there?
1565
01:07:25,007 --> 01:07:28,465
- I think ACT UP's anger
turned in
1566
01:07:28,511 --> 01:07:32,345
after having been directed out
so long.
1567
01:07:32,381 --> 01:07:34,713
In its first few years,
1568
01:07:34,750 --> 01:07:38,186
Treatment and Data pretty much
got everything it wanted
1569
01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:40,688
from the floor of ACT UP,
1570
01:07:40,723 --> 01:07:43,851
but as Treatment and Data
was becoming
1571
01:07:43,893 --> 01:07:45,861
more and more technical,
1572
01:07:45,895 --> 01:07:50,195
there were a lot of people in
the general membership of ACT UP
1573
01:07:50,232 --> 01:07:53,030
that saw that as an elite,
1574
01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:54,866
and that maybe
it would be better
1575
01:07:54,904 --> 01:08:00,001
if that elite
was pulled in a bit.
1576
01:08:00,042 --> 01:08:01,703
- There was a fear, I think,
1577
01:08:01,744 --> 01:08:06,147
that we were getting too close
to the people in power,
1578
01:08:06,182 --> 01:08:08,616
that we would compromise
our own principles.
1579
01:08:08,651 --> 01:08:13,554
And the people who were more
interested in the social issues
1580
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:15,181
became uncomfortable
with that.
1581
01:08:15,224 --> 01:08:16,714
- I remember
this very divisive moment
1582
01:08:16,759 --> 01:08:18,556
where, um, you know,
1583
01:08:18,594 --> 01:08:20,721
there was a proposal
for moratorium
1584
01:08:20,763 --> 01:08:24,221
on meeting with drug companies,
and someone�����
1585
01:08:24,266 --> 01:08:25,563
for six months�����
1586
01:08:25,601 --> 01:08:28,229
and there was a huge
and impassioned debate over it,
1587
01:08:28,270 --> 01:08:29,396
and someone said�����
1588
01:08:29,438 --> 01:08:32,236
a woman who was not
HlV-positive said,
1589
01:08:32,274 --> 01:08:34,572
"Well, it's not like
it's for the rest of your life."
1590
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:37,579
And for a lot of people
in the room,
1591
01:08:37,613 --> 01:08:39,376
it was the rest of their life.
1592
01:08:39,415 --> 01:08:41,406
crowd: Act up!
Fight back!
1593
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:42,576
Fight AlDS!
1594
01:08:42,618 --> 01:08:46,076
- There were inevitable
splits in priorities.
1595
01:08:46,122 --> 01:08:47,953
- You know it quite well.
- I know.
1596
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:49,582
- And it was completely
left out
1597
01:08:49,625 --> 01:08:51,752
of the NlH research agenda.
1598
01:08:51,794 --> 01:08:54,092
- I agree.
I�����l�����
1599
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:56,758
- I remember a lot of
dirty tricks that happened
1600
01:08:56,799 --> 01:09:00,929
and a lot of fear
within the organization
1601
01:09:00,970 --> 01:09:03,939
that the various factions
had done this to each other.
1602
01:09:03,973 --> 01:09:05,600
- Mark Harrington,
1603
01:09:05,641 --> 01:09:06,938
Mark Harrington,
1604
01:09:06,976 --> 01:09:09,274
there's a video camera
here now.
1605
01:09:09,311 --> 01:09:10,938
Would you like
to take an oath
1606
01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:14,143
that you will not write nasty
anonymous letters to people?
1607
01:09:14,183 --> 01:09:15,946
- I've been getting
some hate letters too,
1608
01:09:15,985 --> 01:09:17,111
but those are unsigned.
1609
01:09:17,153 --> 01:09:18,620
I don't ever�����
I don't ever�����
1610
01:09:18,654 --> 01:09:21,282
- So you'll keep on
writing nasty letters to people?
1611
01:09:21,323 --> 01:09:23,621
- There were a lot of charges
1612
01:09:23,659 --> 01:09:26,753
in the midst of that,
of sabotage and threats.
1613
01:09:26,795 --> 01:09:30,925
- Our last speaker is����
is Larry Kramer.
1614
01:09:30,966 --> 01:09:33,127
- Why didn't you
answer the charges?
1615
01:09:33,169 --> 01:09:35,296
- Bill, you're gonna
have a chance to talk.
1616
01:09:35,337 --> 01:09:36,497
All right, everybody's����
1617
01:09:36,539 --> 01:09:37,631
- Don't lecture me,
1618
01:09:37,673 --> 01:09:40,141
you stupid, lazy,
incompetent shithead!
1619
01:09:40,176 --> 01:09:42,542
- Bill,
everybody got the flyer����
1620
01:09:42,578 --> 01:09:44,307
[both speaking at once]
1621
01:09:44,346 --> 01:09:46,940
- You can't just lick his ass
before he talks!
1622
01:09:46,982 --> 01:09:49,314
- Shut the fuck up
and let him answer!
1623
01:09:49,351 --> 01:09:51,478
- Look, there are a lot of
people in the audience
1624
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:53,818
who want to ask
and talk about treatment,
1625
01:09:53,856 --> 01:09:56,825
and I think it's important
that we allow that to happen.
1626
01:09:56,859 --> 01:09:58,724
- Oh, we're gonna dictate
free speech now?
1627
01:09:58,761 --> 01:10:00,194
- You're the one
who's interfering
1628
01:10:00,229 --> 01:10:01,355
with speech right now.
1629
01:10:01,397 --> 01:10:02,864
- Go back to GMHC
1630
01:10:02,898 --> 01:10:05,162
or whatever AlDS pimp operation
is paying you.
1631
01:10:05,201 --> 01:10:07,169
You're making the same point
George Bush made����
1632
01:10:07,203 --> 01:10:08,830
- Plague!
1633
01:10:08,871 --> 01:10:11,669
We are in the middle
of a fucking plague!
1634
01:10:11,707 --> 01:10:14,039
And you behave like this!
1635
01:10:21,050 --> 01:10:23,644
Plague!
1636
01:10:23,686 --> 01:10:28,555
40 million infected people
is a fucking plague!
1637
01:10:34,063 --> 01:10:36,190
We are in the worst shape
1638
01:10:36,232 --> 01:10:40,862
we have ever, ever,
ever been in!
1639
01:10:40,903 --> 01:10:43,531
All those pills we're shoveling
down our throats,
1640
01:10:43,572 --> 01:10:45,699
forget it!
1641
01:10:45,741 --> 01:10:48,869
ACT UP has been taken over
by a lunatic fringe.
1642
01:10:48,911 --> 01:10:50,071
They can't get together.
1643
01:10:50,112 --> 01:10:51,340
Nobody agrees with anything.
1644
01:10:51,380 --> 01:10:52,711
All we can do
1645
01:10:52,748 --> 01:10:55,876
is field a couple hundred people
in a demonstration!
1646
01:10:55,918 --> 01:11:00,548
That's not gonna make anybody
pay attention!
1647
01:11:00,589 --> 01:11:04,218
Not until we get millions
out there!
1648
01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:05,887
And we can't do that!
1649
01:11:05,928 --> 01:11:07,896
All we do
is pick at each other
1650
01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:10,023
and yell at each other!
1651
01:11:10,065 --> 01:11:12,659
And I say to you
in year ten
1652
01:11:12,701 --> 01:11:16,899
the same thing
I said to you in 1 981
1653
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:21,239
when there were 41 cases.
1654
01:11:21,277 --> 01:11:23,404
Until we get our acts
together,
1655
01:11:23,445 --> 01:11:27,074
all of us,
1656
01:11:27,116 --> 01:11:29,949
we are as good as dead.
1657
01:11:33,789 --> 01:11:35,416
- In the end,
the Treatment and Data guys����
1658
01:11:35,457 --> 01:11:38,756
Peter, Garance, Mark,
and some others�����
1659
01:11:38,794 --> 01:11:43,094
split off and formed
their own separate organization.
1660
01:11:43,132 --> 01:11:45,100
- TAG was one of the little
mercury balls
1661
01:11:45,134 --> 01:11:47,762
that flew off the main body
of ACT UP.
1662
01:11:47,803 --> 01:11:52,137
A more sort of "think tank"
type project came about.
1663
01:11:53,642 --> 01:11:55,610
- Mr. Harrington,
a TAG member,
1664
01:11:55,644 --> 01:11:57,441
educated at Harvard College,
1665
01:11:57,479 --> 01:11:59,606
and he has worked
for a long time
1666
01:11:59,648 --> 01:12:02,617
on experimental treatments
for the disease
1667
01:12:02,651 --> 01:12:04,619
and also the basic science.
1668
01:12:04,653 --> 01:12:08,783
And Mr. Gonsalves
was born in Long lsland
1669
01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:11,884
and attended Tufts University,
also a TAG member.
1670
01:12:11,927 --> 01:12:14,452
I guess
I can do nothing better
1671
01:12:14,496 --> 01:12:17,795
than to turn this conference
over to my speakers.
1672
01:12:17,833 --> 01:12:18,959
[chuckles]
1673
01:12:19,001 --> 01:12:20,298
- I noticed that you're both
1674
01:12:20,336 --> 01:12:23,965
sitting up there
in suits and ties.
1675
01:12:24,006 --> 01:12:26,474
Do you feel that
your approach
1676
01:12:26,508 --> 01:12:31,138
is better than circling
NlH buildings
1677
01:12:31,180 --> 01:12:32,647
and so forth?
1678
01:12:32,681 --> 01:12:35,650
- I think that we
like to keep our options open,
1679
01:12:35,684 --> 01:12:39,051
but it's silly to risk arrest
1680
01:12:39,088 --> 01:12:40,715
and the hassles
that are attendant upon it
1681
01:12:40,756 --> 01:12:43,816
if you can get serious attention
and negotiations going
1682
01:12:43,859 --> 01:12:46,327
with other measures.
1683
01:12:46,362 --> 01:12:47,989
- We've just released
a report,
1684
01:12:48,030 --> 01:12:50,362
a critique of
all the NlH's AlDS programs.
1685
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:52,663
- The research is spread out
over 1 2 agencies.
1686
01:12:52,701 --> 01:12:53,827
There's no coordination.
1687
01:12:53,869 --> 01:12:55,666
There's a lot of duplication.
1688
01:12:55,704 --> 01:12:57,171
There's no leadership.
1689
01:12:57,206 --> 01:12:59,834
- The budget is shrinking
and shrinking as cases mount,
1690
01:12:59,875 --> 01:13:01,502
and the president
needs to be blamed,
1691
01:13:01,543 --> 01:13:02,908
as well as the Congress,
1692
01:13:02,945 --> 01:13:04,674
who cut the entire NlH budget
1693
01:13:04,713 --> 01:13:06,578
by $1 50 million
two weeks ago.
1694
01:13:06,615 --> 01:13:08,014
- Our recommendations,
I think,
1695
01:13:08,050 --> 01:13:10,018
are gonna require
some legislation.
1696
01:13:10,052 --> 01:13:13,681
So we have to go
to our friends on the hill
1697
01:13:13,722 --> 01:13:16,213
and see what wonders
they can work for us.
1698
01:13:19,294 --> 01:13:22,263
[somber music]
1699
01:13:22,297 --> 01:13:26,859
? ?
1700
01:13:26,902 --> 01:13:28,870
- We had
this one particular compound
1701
01:13:28,904 --> 01:13:31,702
that looked like
it may have had the potency
1702
01:13:31,740 --> 01:13:34,368
and the physical properties
that we wanted,
1703
01:13:34,410 --> 01:13:36,344
and it could be
a possible drug.
1704
01:13:36,378 --> 01:13:37,845
- We said, you know,
"Let's put this
1705
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:40,280
in HlV-infected individuals,
and let's see what happens."
1706
01:13:40,315 --> 01:13:42,715
So we went into
HlV-infected individuals
1707
01:13:42,751 --> 01:13:44,378
with this drug
called Crixivan,
1708
01:13:44,420 --> 01:13:46,581
and you could see
a very substantial drop
1709
01:13:46,622 --> 01:13:48,249
just with
the one protease inhibitor;
1710
01:13:48,290 --> 01:13:50,485
you could see a very substantial
drop in virus load.
1711
01:13:50,526 --> 01:13:51,823
So that was the first week.
1712
01:13:51,860 --> 01:13:53,555
The second week
was very disappointing,
1713
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:56,587
because what we saw
in the second week was, in fact,
1714
01:13:56,632 --> 01:13:59,396
the virus load
coming right back up again.
1715
01:13:59,435 --> 01:14:00,595
One exception.
1716
01:14:00,636 --> 01:14:02,570
- There was one patient that����
1717
01:14:02,604 --> 01:14:07,234
patient 1 43, I believe,
was his name�����his number�����
1718
01:14:07,276 --> 01:14:09,972
that the virus went down
and stayed down.
1719
01:14:10,012 --> 01:14:12,572
- That told us
that it was possible.
1720
01:14:12,614 --> 01:14:14,081
If it can happen in one,
1721
01:14:14,116 --> 01:14:16,914
then by definition
it can happen in everyone.
1722
01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:18,817
You just need to figure out
how to do it.
1723
01:14:18,854 --> 01:14:21,084
That puts you
in a completely different place
1724
01:14:21,123 --> 01:14:23,250
and in a completely different
state of mind.
1725
01:14:23,292 --> 01:14:24,589
So then the question became,
1726
01:14:24,626 --> 01:14:26,093
"Okay, now what do
we need to do
1727
01:14:26,128 --> 01:14:28,392
in order to make it
possible?"
1728
01:14:28,430 --> 01:14:30,591
[cheers and applause,
whistles blowing]
1729
01:14:30,632 --> 01:14:33,100
- This is the beginning
of the primary season
1730
01:14:33,135 --> 01:14:35,000
to elect the next president.
1731
01:14:35,037 --> 01:14:38,097
We want to send a message
to all of the candidates:
1732
01:14:38,140 --> 01:14:43,237
we have not seen them actively
address the AlDS plague,
1733
01:14:43,278 --> 01:14:45,769
and we thought it would be best
to send a message
1734
01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:48,442
by voting with our feet
in the streets.
1735
01:14:48,484 --> 01:14:53,183
I want to call for
a massive march on Washington.
1736
01:14:53,222 --> 01:14:56,953
The weekend the AlDS quilt
is gonna be there,
1737
01:14:56,992 --> 01:14:59,790
we have got to
surround the White House
1738
01:14:59,828 --> 01:15:02,695
with people
concerned about AlDS
1739
01:15:02,731 --> 01:15:05,962
to push Bush
out of the White House!
1740
01:15:06,001 --> 01:15:08,993
[cheers and applause]
1741
01:15:11,340 --> 01:15:14,138
- Last night, a man with AlDS
heckled Clinton,
1742
01:15:14,176 --> 01:15:15,973
charging that
he had a bad record
1743
01:15:16,011 --> 01:15:18,309
on fighting AlDS
in Arkansas.
1744
01:15:18,347 --> 01:15:20,474
- When voter Bob Rafsky
met Bill Clinton,
1745
01:15:20,516 --> 01:15:22,143
it was anything
but pleasant.
1746
01:15:22,184 --> 01:15:23,981
- We're dying in this state!
1747
01:15:24,019 --> 01:15:27,147
What are you going to do
about AlDS?
1748
01:15:27,189 --> 01:15:29,817
- First of all,
it will become
1749
01:15:29,858 --> 01:15:32,418
a part of my obsession
as president.
1750
01:15:34,997 --> 01:15:36,658
- That's why
I'm running for president,
1751
01:15:36,698 --> 01:15:38,165
to do something about it.
1752
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,497
- Now, will you just calm down?
1753
01:15:39,535 --> 01:15:41,833
[laughter and applause]
1754
01:15:41,870 --> 01:15:44,498
I feel your pain!
1755
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:45,837
I feel your pain.
1756
01:15:45,874 --> 01:15:47,501
But if you want to attack me
personally,
1757
01:15:47,543 --> 01:15:48,942
you're no better
than Jerry Brown
1758
01:15:48,977 --> 01:15:50,205
and all the rest
of these people
1759
01:15:50,245 --> 01:15:52,008
who say whatever sounds good
in the moment.
1760
01:15:52,047 --> 01:15:53,309
If you want something
to be done,
1761
01:15:53,348 --> 01:15:55,009
you ask me a question,
and you listen.
1762
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:56,176
If you don't agree with me,
1763
01:15:56,218 --> 01:15:58,015
go support somebody else
for president,
1764
01:15:58,053 --> 01:15:59,520
but quit talking to me
like that.
1765
01:15:59,555 --> 01:16:01,352
This is not a matter
of personal attack;
1766
01:16:01,390 --> 01:16:03,187
it's a matter of human loss.
1767
01:16:03,225 --> 01:16:05,523
[applause and cheering]
1768
01:16:05,561 --> 01:16:08,530
- I came here tonight
because I'm dying from AlDS.
1769
01:16:08,564 --> 01:16:11,192
And it doesn't matter to me
who the next president is
1770
01:16:11,233 --> 01:16:14,361
if they don't change
11 years of government neglect
1771
01:16:14,403 --> 01:16:16,030
of this epidemic.
1772
01:16:16,071 --> 01:16:17,868
- Is this on?
This isn't on.
1773
01:16:17,906 --> 01:16:21,307
Um, okay, first off,
1774
01:16:21,343 --> 01:16:24,210
what happened this week was,
1775
01:16:24,246 --> 01:16:28,273
AlDS became an issue
in this campaign.
1776
01:16:28,317 --> 01:16:31,309
[applause and cheering]
1777
01:16:34,756 --> 01:16:37,224
I'd like to call down
Bob Rafsky.
1778
01:16:37,259 --> 01:16:40,251
[cheers and applause]
1779
01:16:58,280 --> 01:16:59,577
- Act up!
1780
01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:00,912
crowd: Fight back!
1781
01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:02,177
Fight AlDS!
1782
01:17:02,217 --> 01:17:04,344
Act up!
Fight back!
1783
01:17:04,386 --> 01:17:05,546
Fight AlDS!
1784
01:17:05,587 --> 01:17:09,819
[cheers and applause]
1785
01:17:09,858 --> 01:17:11,416
- Uh, never debate
a Rhodes scholar.
1786
01:17:11,460 --> 01:17:13,485
It gets you
into a world of trouble.
1787
01:17:13,528 --> 01:17:14,620
[laughter]
1788
01:17:14,663 --> 01:17:16,358
It looks like
what we have to do
1789
01:17:16,398 --> 01:17:19,765
is to keep forcing these clowns
to say the right thing
1790
01:17:19,801 --> 01:17:21,928
so that if one of them happens
to become president,
1791
01:17:21,970 --> 01:17:24,404
we can hold them accountable
for doing the right thing.
1792
01:17:24,439 --> 01:17:25,667
- Yeah.
1793
01:17:25,707 --> 01:17:27,937
- But I just����
it's always important to say
1794
01:17:27,976 --> 01:17:29,603
that we all know that
1795
01:17:29,645 --> 01:17:32,273
the names of the people
who might save our lives
1796
01:17:32,314 --> 01:17:34,942
are not Bill Clinton
and Jerry Brown, et cetera.
1797
01:17:34,983 --> 01:17:37,451
The names of the people
who might save our lives
1798
01:17:37,486 --> 01:17:39,283
are lris Long,
Mark Harrington,
1799
01:17:39,321 --> 01:17:40,948
Peter Staley, et cetera.
1800
01:17:40,989 --> 01:17:42,957
And they're the ones
who will be remembered
1801
01:17:42,991 --> 01:17:44,788
as the heroes
of this epidemic,
1802
01:17:44,826 --> 01:17:47,454
as well as those
who have gone before.
1803
01:17:47,496 --> 01:17:51,023
[cheers and applause]
1804
01:17:51,066 --> 01:17:52,693
- ? And he smells like one too ?
1805
01:17:52,734 --> 01:17:53,928
- Well, I haven't showered,
1806
01:17:53,969 --> 01:17:55,960
so I'm not surprised
that you would say that.
1807
01:17:56,004 --> 01:17:58,632
No, I've just been writing,
and...
1808
01:17:58,674 --> 01:18:00,642
I was up at 5:00 a.m.
yesterday.
1809
01:18:00,676 --> 01:18:03,304
- This is Bob's birthday,
1810
01:18:03,345 --> 01:18:06,906
July 22, 1 992.
1811
01:18:06,948 --> 01:18:08,142
- Ready for the pyrotechnics?
1812
01:18:08,183 --> 01:18:09,207
- Yes!
1813
01:18:09,251 --> 01:18:10,240
- Nathaniel, help.
1814
01:18:10,285 --> 01:18:12,310
- No!
1815
01:18:12,354 --> 01:18:14,652
- Yay!
1816
01:18:14,690 --> 01:18:18,319
- Lydia E. Rios.
1817
01:18:18,360 --> 01:18:21,818
Steve H.
1818
01:18:21,863 --> 01:18:25,822
My friends, David Evans,
1819
01:18:25,867 --> 01:18:31,169
Nicolas Kaiser,
George Marshall,
1820
01:18:31,206 --> 01:18:35,404
and my beloved brother
Dennis J.
1821
01:18:35,444 --> 01:18:38,936
- Robert R. Hakins.
1822
01:18:38,980 --> 01:18:43,007
Phillip Gregory Ellison.
1823
01:18:43,051 --> 01:18:45,849
Terry Ronan.
1824
01:18:45,887 --> 01:18:48,754
- Michael Bennett.
1825
01:18:48,790 --> 01:18:50,849
Ron Field.
1826
01:18:50,892 --> 01:18:53,360
Tina Chow.
1827
01:18:53,395 --> 01:18:55,761
Perry Ellis.
1828
01:18:55,797 --> 01:18:57,856
Freddie Mercury.
1829
01:18:57,899 --> 01:19:00,527
Peter Allen.
1830
01:19:00,569 --> 01:19:03,367
To the thousands
of other people
1831
01:19:03,405 --> 01:19:06,897
who were made to suffer
in silence.
1832
01:19:13,248 --> 01:19:16,877
- Join ACT UP
for a political funeral!
1833
01:19:16,918 --> 01:19:20,217
Meet at the steps of the Capitol
at 1 :00 p.m.
1834
01:19:20,255 --> 01:19:21,552
Give a wake-up call
1835
01:19:21,590 --> 01:19:25,048
to George Bush and Bill Clinton
and Perot.
1836
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:28,085
[kids laughing]
1837
01:19:31,767 --> 01:19:34,531
- I think the quilt itself
does good stuff
1838
01:19:34,569 --> 01:19:35,934
and is moving.
1839
01:19:35,971 --> 01:19:37,905
Still, it's like
making something beautiful
1840
01:19:37,939 --> 01:19:39,804
out of the epidemic.
1841
01:19:39,841 --> 01:19:41,672
And I felt like
doing something like this
1842
01:19:41,710 --> 01:19:42,870
is a way of showing
1843
01:19:42,911 --> 01:19:44,344
there's nothing beautiful
about it.
1844
01:19:44,379 --> 01:19:45,778
You know,
this is what I'm left with.
1845
01:19:45,814 --> 01:19:47,748
I've got a box full of ashes
and bone chips.
1846
01:19:47,783 --> 01:19:49,910
You know,
there's no beauty in that.
1847
01:19:49,951 --> 01:19:53,079
And I felt like a statement
like this is like saying,
1848
01:19:53,121 --> 01:19:55,089
"This is what George Bush
has done," you know?
1849
01:19:55,123 --> 01:19:56,249
This is what him
1850
01:19:56,291 --> 01:19:57,815
and Ronald Reagan before him
have done.
1851
01:19:57,859 --> 01:19:59,053
These are our loved ones,
1852
01:19:59,094 --> 01:20:00,493
and this is what they've been
reduced to,
1853
01:20:00,529 --> 01:20:01,689
and we're bringing them
1854
01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:03,630
to the person who's responsible
for their death.
1855
01:20:03,665 --> 01:20:06,634
[ethereal music]
1856
01:20:06,668 --> 01:20:14,666
? ?
1857
01:20:20,682 --> 01:20:22,479
crowd: Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
1858
01:20:22,517 --> 01:20:25,509
Act up! Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
1859
01:20:28,824 --> 01:20:31,452
Act up! Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
1860
01:20:31,493 --> 01:20:34,519
Act up! Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
1861
01:20:34,563 --> 01:20:37,555
[chanting indistinctly]
1862
01:20:39,501 --> 01:20:41,332
Bringing the dead
to your door!
1863
01:20:41,369 --> 01:20:43,337
We won't take it anymore!
1864
01:20:43,371 --> 01:20:45,339
Bringing the dead
to your door!
1865
01:20:45,373 --> 01:20:47,307
We won't take it anymore!
1866
01:20:47,342 --> 01:20:49,333
Bringing the dead
to your door!
1867
01:20:49,377 --> 01:20:51,311
We won't take it anymore!
1868
01:20:51,346 --> 01:20:53,177
Bringing the dead
to your door!
1869
01:20:53,215 --> 01:20:56,150
[helicopter whirring]
1870
01:20:56,184 --> 01:20:59,153
[ethereal music continues]
1871
01:20:59,187 --> 01:21:07,185
? ?
1872
01:21:18,907 --> 01:21:24,345
? ?
1873
01:21:24,379 --> 01:21:27,371
[whistle blowing, applause]
1874
01:21:38,693 --> 01:21:41,719
crowd: Act up! Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
1875
01:21:41,763 --> 01:21:42,752
Act up!
1876
01:21:42,797 --> 01:21:45,766
[ethereal music swells]
1877
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,358
? ?
1878
01:21:47,402 --> 01:21:49,199
Act up!
Fight back!
1879
01:21:49,237 --> 01:21:51,330
Fight AlDS!
Act up!
1880
01:21:51,373 --> 01:21:53,170
Fight back!
Fight AlDS!
1881
01:21:53,208 --> 01:21:55,005
Act up!
Fight back!
1882
01:21:55,043 --> 01:21:58,012
Fight AlDS! Act up!
Fight back!
1883
01:21:58,046 --> 01:21:59,240
Fight AlDS!
1884
01:21:59,281 --> 01:22:01,545
[shouting indistinctly]
1885
01:22:01,583 --> 01:22:04,074
Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!
1886
01:22:04,119 --> 01:22:06,713
Shame! Shame!
Shame! Shame!
1887
01:22:06,755 --> 01:22:10,714
Shame! Shame! Shame! Shame!
1888
01:22:10,759 --> 01:22:14,559
[ethereal music swells]
1889
01:22:14,596 --> 01:22:16,996
- I love you, Mike!
1890
01:22:17,032 --> 01:22:18,397
I love you, Mike!
1891
01:22:18,433 --> 01:22:26,431
? ?
1892
01:22:36,785 --> 01:22:39,777
[music fades]
1893
01:22:45,460 --> 01:22:47,121
- Welcome to the first
of three debates
1894
01:22:47,162 --> 01:22:48,754
among the major candidates
1895
01:22:48,797 --> 01:22:50,765
for president
of the United States,
1896
01:22:50,799 --> 01:22:53,927
sponsored by the Commission
on Presidential Debates.
1897
01:22:53,969 --> 01:22:57,097
- Mr. President, yesterday
tens of thousands of people
1898
01:22:57,138 --> 01:22:59,106
paraded past the White House
1899
01:22:59,140 --> 01:23:02,769
to demonstrate their concern
about the disease AlDS.
1900
01:23:02,811 --> 01:23:05,279
A celebrated member
of your commission,
1901
01:23:05,313 --> 01:23:06,940
Magic Johnson,
1902
01:23:06,982 --> 01:23:10,941
quipped, saying that
there was too much inaction.
1903
01:23:10,986 --> 01:23:13,454
Where is this widespread feeling
coming from
1904
01:23:13,488 --> 01:23:16,616
that your administration
is not doing enough about AlDS?
1905
01:23:16,658 --> 01:23:18,956
- I can't tell you
where it's coming from,
1906
01:23:18,994 --> 01:23:21,792
but I am very much concerned
about AlDS,
1907
01:23:21,830 --> 01:23:23,297
and I believe that we've got
1908
01:23:23,331 --> 01:23:25,299
the best researchers
in the world
1909
01:23:25,333 --> 01:23:27,631
out there at NlH
working the problem.
1910
01:23:27,669 --> 01:23:29,136
It's one of the few diseases
1911
01:23:29,170 --> 01:23:30,797
where behavior matters.
1912
01:23:30,839 --> 01:23:32,466
And I once called on somebody,
1913
01:23:32,507 --> 01:23:33,804
"Well, change your behavior."
1914
01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:35,469
If the behavior you're using,
1915
01:23:35,510 --> 01:23:37,478
uh, prone to cause AlDS,
1916
01:23:37,512 --> 01:23:38,570
change the behavior.
1917
01:23:38,613 --> 01:23:39,637
Next thing I know,
1918
01:23:39,681 --> 01:23:41,979
one of these ACT UP groups
is out,
1919
01:23:42,017 --> 01:23:43,985
saying, "Bush ought
to change his behavior."
1920
01:23:44,019 --> 01:23:46,010
You can't talk about it
rationally.
1921
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:09,500
- Let everyone here know
1922
01:24:09,544 --> 01:24:13,674
that this is not
a political funeral
1923
01:24:13,715 --> 01:24:15,842
for Mark Fisher,
1924
01:24:15,884 --> 01:24:19,513
who wouldn't let us burn
1925
01:24:19,554 --> 01:24:23,012
or bury his courage
1926
01:24:23,058 --> 01:24:25,322
or his love for us
1927
01:24:25,360 --> 01:24:28,852
any more than he would let
the earth take his body
1928
01:24:28,897 --> 01:24:32,856
until it was already
in flight.
1929
01:24:32,901 --> 01:24:35,529
He asked for this ceremony
1930
01:24:35,570 --> 01:24:37,697
not so we could bury him
1931
01:24:37,739 --> 01:24:43,041
but so we could celebrate
his undying anger.
1932
01:24:43,078 --> 01:24:46,377
This isn't a political funeral
for Mark;
1933
01:24:46,414 --> 01:24:48,382
it's a political funeral
1934
01:24:48,416 --> 01:24:52,876
for the man who killed him
and so many others
1935
01:24:52,921 --> 01:24:56,220
and is slowly killing me,
1936
01:24:56,257 --> 01:24:58,919
whose name curls my tongue
1937
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:01,326
and curdles my breath.
1938
01:25:01,362 --> 01:25:06,561
George Bush, we believe
you'll be defeated tomorrow
1939
01:25:06,601 --> 01:25:07,898
because we believe
1940
01:25:07,936 --> 01:25:11,235
there's still some justice left
in the universe
1941
01:25:11,272 --> 01:25:15,732
and some compassion left
in the American people.
1942
01:25:15,777 --> 01:25:18,405
But whether or not you are,
1943
01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:22,405
here and now,
standing by Mark's body,
1944
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:25,248
we put this curse on you.
1945
01:25:25,286 --> 01:25:28,255
Mark's spirit will haunt you
1946
01:25:28,289 --> 01:25:30,917
until the end of your days,
1947
01:25:30,959 --> 01:25:34,588
so that in the moment
of your defeat,
1948
01:25:34,629 --> 01:25:36,927
you'll remember our defeats.
1949
01:25:36,965 --> 01:25:38,933
And in the moment
of your death,
1950
01:25:38,967 --> 01:25:43,597
you'll remember our deaths.
1951
01:25:43,638 --> 01:25:49,099
As for Mark, when the living
can no longer speak,
1952
01:25:49,144 --> 01:25:52,511
the dead may speak for them.
1953
01:25:52,547 --> 01:25:56,108
Mark's voice is here with us,
1954
01:25:56,151 --> 01:25:58,619
as is the voice of Pericles,
1955
01:25:58,653 --> 01:26:03,283
who, two millennia ago,
warned the Athenian soldiers
1956
01:26:03,324 --> 01:26:05,292
who didn't have to die
1957
01:26:05,326 --> 01:26:07,954
and in whose death
he was complicit
1958
01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:10,794
but who had the nobility
to say
1959
01:26:10,832 --> 01:26:14,962
that their memorial
was the whole Earth.
1960
01:26:15,003 --> 01:26:18,461
Let the whole Earth
hear us now.
1961
01:26:18,506 --> 01:26:22,306
We beg, we pray, we demand
1962
01:26:22,343 --> 01:26:26,643
that this epidemic end!
1963
01:26:26,681 --> 01:26:30,481
Not just so we may live
1964
01:26:30,518 --> 01:26:32,986
but so that Mark's soul
1965
01:26:33,021 --> 01:26:35,990
may rest in peace at last.
1966
01:26:41,629 --> 01:26:44,655
In anger and in grief,
1967
01:26:44,699 --> 01:26:48,362
this fight is not over
till all of us are safe.
1968
01:26:55,877 --> 01:26:57,344
Act up.
1969
01:26:57,378 --> 01:26:58,675
Fight back.
1970
01:26:58,713 --> 01:27:02,012
Fight AlDS.
1971
01:27:02,050 --> 01:27:05,019
[delicate music]
1972
01:27:05,053 --> 01:27:13,051
? ?
1973
01:27:48,029 --> 01:27:56,027
? ?
1974
01:28:29,404 --> 01:28:32,373
[delicate music]
1975
01:28:32,407 --> 01:28:36,707
? ?
1976
01:28:36,744 --> 01:28:38,143
- The debate over AlDS therapy
1977
01:28:38,179 --> 01:28:40,613
has reignited
with a new European study
1978
01:28:40,648 --> 01:28:43,947
that challenges
the effectiveness of AZT,
1979
01:28:43,985 --> 01:28:47,113
the widely prescribed drug
used to treat the HlV virus.
1980
01:28:47,155 --> 01:28:51,114
- This study disproves
what every other study proves,
1981
01:28:51,159 --> 01:28:54,959
is that the drug is at best
modest, mostly useless,
1982
01:28:54,996 --> 01:28:56,429
not good for you
in the beginning.
1983
01:28:56,464 --> 01:28:59,490
- Two other drugs,
ddl and ddC,
1984
01:28:59,534 --> 01:29:02,298
were approved because
they were as good as AZT,
1985
01:29:02,337 --> 01:29:05,306
which means that they might not
be very useful either.
1986
01:29:05,340 --> 01:29:07,808
All this
is profoundly dispiriting
1987
01:29:07,842 --> 01:29:09,833
for advocates
of people with AlDS.
1988
01:29:09,877 --> 01:29:12,471
- We thought we had made
some advance in AlDS treatment
1989
01:29:12,513 --> 01:29:13,980
over the last five years,
1990
01:29:14,015 --> 01:29:16,643
and these studies show
that we really haven't.
1991
01:29:16,684 --> 01:29:18,652
- Many activists now admit
1992
01:29:18,686 --> 01:29:20,586
their demands
were shortsighted.
1993
01:29:20,621 --> 01:29:22,646
- It's been a huge expenditure,
1994
01:29:22,690 --> 01:29:25,488
a waste of money
for the U.S. taxpayer,
1995
01:29:25,526 --> 01:29:27,494
and it was a naivet�
on our part
1996
01:29:27,528 --> 01:29:30,122
to think that the magic bullet
was out there.
1997
01:29:30,164 --> 01:29:34,498
It just had to be tested
in humans and, uh...
1998
01:29:34,535 --> 01:29:36,059
given to us as the cure.
1999
01:29:36,104 --> 01:29:37,503
- Many doctors and scientists
2000
01:29:37,538 --> 01:29:39,665
say the bleak results
presented here
2001
01:29:39,707 --> 01:29:41,504
indicate the U.S. government
2002
01:29:41,542 --> 01:29:43,510
needs to
substantially reorganize
2003
01:29:43,544 --> 01:29:46,012
the way it conducts
AlDS research.
2004
01:29:46,047 --> 01:29:48,572
Robert Bazell, NBC News,
Berlin.
2005
01:29:54,589 --> 01:29:56,682
- There's been this big crisis
at St. Vincent's
2006
01:29:56,724 --> 01:30:01,184
about the way that we talk about
the, uh����
2007
01:30:01,229 --> 01:30:02,560
what happened in Berlin.
2008
01:30:02,597 --> 01:30:04,030
Couple of doctors said
they were
2009
01:30:04,065 --> 01:30:06,590
afraid of people
committing suicide now.
2010
01:30:06,634 --> 01:30:10,866
- I don't feel like,
"Oh, now I just"����
2011
01:30:10,905 --> 01:30:13,032
I don't feel,
"Oh, now I want to give up.
2012
01:30:13,074 --> 01:30:16,202
Now I want to stop living
because AZT doesn't work."
2013
01:30:16,244 --> 01:30:17,541
- I've felt forever now
2014
01:30:17,578 --> 01:30:19,375
that I'm not gonna outlive
this epidemic,
2015
01:30:19,414 --> 01:30:21,541
that I will�����
that I will die from this.
2016
01:30:21,582 --> 01:30:23,379
- You know,
maybe that is our future,
2017
01:30:23,418 --> 01:30:25,045
that we're gonna
watch each other die.
2018
01:30:25,086 --> 01:30:27,054
It's����that's not a new thought.
2019
01:30:27,088 --> 01:30:30,421
We've been thinking that
ever since we started the group.
2020
01:30:30,458 --> 01:30:34,053
- The way that the recent
spate of deaths is����
2021
01:30:34,095 --> 01:30:35,221
I don't know.
2022
01:30:35,263 --> 01:30:37,731
It all seems
so much more apocalyptic.
2023
01:30:37,765 --> 01:30:41,724
Like, the story doesn't seem
2024
01:30:41,769 --> 01:30:44,897
to have this relationship
to effective treatment
2025
01:30:44,939 --> 01:30:46,236
or a cure anymore.
2026
01:30:46,274 --> 01:30:48,401
It now seems to have
this relationship to death.
2027
01:30:48,443 --> 01:30:50,411
It ends�����
it ends with everybody dying.
2028
01:30:50,445 --> 01:30:51,912
Will the last person alive
in Chelsea
2029
01:30:51,946 --> 01:30:53,436
please turn out the lights?
2030
01:31:01,222 --> 01:31:03,087
[static crackling]
2031
01:31:03,124 --> 01:31:05,092
- Joining me now
is Dr. David Kessler,
2032
01:31:05,126 --> 01:31:07,822
the commissioner of the
Food and Drug Administration.
2033
01:31:07,862 --> 01:31:09,352
Dr. Kessler, how excited
2034
01:31:09,397 --> 01:31:11,763
should we get about
this new family of drugs,
2035
01:31:11,799 --> 01:31:13,426
these protease inhibitors?
2036
01:31:13,468 --> 01:31:15,265
- I don't want to overpromise,
2037
01:31:15,303 --> 01:31:17,771
but these are
the most potent drugs
2038
01:31:17,805 --> 01:31:20,706
we've seen against the virus.
2039
01:31:20,741 --> 01:31:21,833
- I know that
you are pushing
2040
01:31:21,876 --> 01:31:24,208
for faster FDA approval
of these drugs.
2041
01:31:24,245 --> 01:31:25,940
I know that the application
has just gone
2042
01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:27,607
for the first of these drugs
to the FDA.
2043
01:31:27,648 --> 01:31:29,013
It's still
gonna take six months.
2044
01:31:29,050 --> 01:31:32,952
- We will turn around that
application as quick as ever.
2045
01:31:32,987 --> 01:31:35,956
We're approving drugs in
a matter of months these days.
2046
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:38,288
- But you were telling me
that's six months, right?
2047
01:31:38,326 --> 01:31:39,554
That's as quick as possible.
2048
01:31:39,594 --> 01:31:41,391
- We may be able to do it
even a little quicker.
2049
01:31:41,429 --> 01:31:42,794
- A split has developed
2050
01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:44,627
between those
who want rapid approval
2051
01:31:44,665 --> 01:31:47,293
based on early indicators
of success
2052
01:31:47,335 --> 01:31:49,803
and the Treatment Action Group,
or TAG.
2053
01:31:49,837 --> 01:31:51,964
TAG has asked the FDA
to reconsider
2054
01:31:52,006 --> 01:31:54,975
the accelerated
approval process.
2055
01:31:55,009 --> 01:31:56,977
- We told the FDA,
"No."
2056
01:31:57,011 --> 01:32:00,139
"The company has asked you
to approve that drug too soon.
2057
01:32:00,181 --> 01:32:02,809
They need a little bit
more data first."
2058
01:32:02,850 --> 01:32:05,114
- TAG is asking the FDA
to take a closer look
2059
01:32:05,152 --> 01:32:07,985
at saquinavir,
the first protease inhibitor
2060
01:32:08,022 --> 01:32:09,216
to seek approval.
2061
01:32:09,257 --> 01:32:10,383
- We need to make sure
2062
01:32:10,424 --> 01:32:12,153
we don't repeat
the mistake we made
2063
01:32:12,193 --> 01:32:13,524
with AZT and ddl.
2064
01:32:13,561 --> 01:32:15,324
This is a new class of drugs.
2065
01:32:15,363 --> 01:32:17,957
We need to know if it works.
2066
01:32:17,999 --> 01:32:21,059
The battle over
early approval of saquinavir
2067
01:32:21,102 --> 01:32:25,004
was a really pivotal moment
for treatment activism.
2068
01:32:25,039 --> 01:32:29,305
And we took such shit for it,
from within.
2069
01:32:29,343 --> 01:32:30,810
- There are a lot of people
who do agree
2070
01:32:30,845 --> 01:32:32,574
that there are problems,
serious problems,
2071
01:32:32,613 --> 01:32:35,582
the way drug testing
and drug trials are run.
2072
01:32:35,616 --> 01:32:40,178
But there are many of us
who feel that halting
2073
01:32:40,221 --> 01:32:43,520
accelerated approval
is not necessarily the answer.
2074
01:32:43,558 --> 01:32:44,889
- TAG made their proposal
2075
01:32:44,926 --> 01:32:48,521
for this large simple trial
of 1 8,000 people
2076
01:32:48,563 --> 01:32:51,396
that they want to put
in a placebo control trial
2077
01:32:51,432 --> 01:32:53,696
where 1/3 would get placebo.
2078
01:32:53,734 --> 01:32:57,363
They pushed this idea on the FDA
at a secret meeting,
2079
01:32:57,405 --> 01:32:59,532
which was not announced
to the community.
2080
01:32:59,574 --> 01:33:02,702
This is something we have fought
hard and long for.
2081
01:33:02,743 --> 01:33:05,803
We've been arrested to get
accelerated approval through.
2082
01:33:05,846 --> 01:33:08,212
- It's the behavior
that I have a problem with.
2083
01:33:08,249 --> 01:33:09,978
It's the work they're doing
2084
01:33:10,017 --> 01:33:11,848
that I have a problem with,
and it's�����
2085
01:33:11,886 --> 01:33:13,376
this is what I am gonna fight.
2086
01:33:13,421 --> 01:33:15,821
I'm not interested
in mud wrestling with the boys.
2087
01:33:15,856 --> 01:33:18,222
I am absolutely enraged
that there are people
2088
01:33:18,259 --> 01:33:21,558
who have appointed themselves
elitist representatives
2089
01:33:21,596 --> 01:33:22,893
and represent themselves
2090
01:33:22,930 --> 01:33:24,557
as the single voice
of this epidemic.
2091
01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:25,896
I am gonna fight them,
2092
01:33:25,933 --> 01:33:27,400
my patients
are gonna fight them,
2093
01:33:27,435 --> 01:33:29,232
and you goddamn well
better fight them!
2094
01:33:29,270 --> 01:33:32,262
[cheers and applause]
2095
01:33:36,010 --> 01:33:37,739
- Apparently there was
a big discussion
2096
01:33:37,778 --> 01:33:40,076
on accelerated approval
and protease drug development
2097
01:33:40,114 --> 01:33:41,581
Iast week on the floor,
2098
01:33:41,616 --> 01:33:45,074
so we just wanted to give you
sort of the TAG perspective
2099
01:33:45,119 --> 01:33:47,087
and give you a sense
of our proposal
2100
01:33:47,121 --> 01:33:48,520
around protease
drug development
2101
01:33:48,556 --> 01:33:49,750
so we can start
from a baseline
2102
01:33:49,790 --> 01:33:51,348
of common understanding
and knowledge.
2103
01:33:51,392 --> 01:33:54,691
- This proposal is not about
taking expanded access away,
2104
01:33:54,729 --> 01:33:56,594
taking accelerated approval
away.
2105
01:33:56,631 --> 01:33:58,098
This is about
adding something.
2106
01:33:58,132 --> 01:34:00,760
This is about figuring out
how do we get information
2107
01:34:00,801 --> 01:34:02,428
about how to actually
use these drugs.
2108
01:34:02,470 --> 01:34:05,837
- You need more people when
you have a less powerful drug.
2109
01:34:05,873 --> 01:34:07,340
If we were dealing
with a penicillin,
2110
01:34:07,375 --> 01:34:09,275
we could do it in 20 people.
2111
01:34:09,310 --> 01:34:11,107
So we put together
a large simple trial
2112
01:34:11,145 --> 01:34:13,443
that tried to synthesize
expanded access
2113
01:34:13,481 --> 01:34:14,778
in large simple trials.
2114
01:34:14,815 --> 01:34:18,114
And what we did is,
we presented it to Merck.
2115
01:34:18,152 --> 01:34:19,779
We presented it to the FDA.
2116
01:34:19,820 --> 01:34:22,118
We wanted to start
a community discussion.
2117
01:34:22,156 --> 01:34:24,283
- I just wanted
to thank Gregg and Derek
2118
01:34:24,325 --> 01:34:26,452
for coming
to tell us about this.
2119
01:34:26,494 --> 01:34:28,121
[applause]
2120
01:34:28,162 --> 01:34:30,289
Because we hadn't heard anything
2121
01:34:30,331 --> 01:34:32,390
until we read about it
in Barron's.
2122
01:34:32,433 --> 01:34:33,866
- If you wanted to hear
the proposal,
2123
01:34:33,901 --> 01:34:35,300
you could have heard it
40 times.
2124
01:34:35,336 --> 01:34:36,735
It's been talked about
all over.
2125
01:34:36,771 --> 01:34:38,466
- Dr. Cotler wants to speak.
2126
01:34:38,506 --> 01:34:40,974
- TAG is talking about
getting accurate information.
2127
01:34:41,008 --> 01:34:43,806
ACT UP is talking about
making drugs available.
2128
01:34:43,844 --> 01:34:45,641
There should be a way
to mesh those two.
2129
01:34:45,680 --> 01:34:47,477
It's really not
one or the other.
2130
01:34:47,515 --> 01:34:50,211
Your two groups are really
talking past one another.
2131
01:34:50,251 --> 01:34:51,650
Try not to scream.
2132
01:34:51,686 --> 01:34:54,484
Try not to go at each other's
throats, but just talk,
2133
01:34:54,522 --> 01:34:57,389
because the differences
really can be bridged.
2134
01:34:57,425 --> 01:34:59,359
[all talking at once]
2135
01:34:59,393 --> 01:35:00,382
- No, no, no.
2136
01:35:00,428 --> 01:35:01,725
- Hey!
- Shh.
2137
01:35:01,762 --> 01:35:03,320
[all talking at once]
2138
01:35:03,364 --> 01:35:05,491
- Quiet!
2139
01:35:05,533 --> 01:35:08,991
- '93 to '95
were the worst years.
2140
01:35:09,036 --> 01:35:12,665
It was
a really terrifying time.
2141
01:35:12,707 --> 01:35:14,698
They were the worst years.
2142
01:35:18,879 --> 01:35:21,347
And then we got lucky.
2143
01:35:21,382 --> 01:35:24,351
[pensive music]
2144
01:35:24,385 --> 01:35:32,383
? ?
2145
01:35:35,563 --> 01:35:38,532
[man singing indistinctly]
2146
01:35:38,566 --> 01:35:41,535
[music continues]
2147
01:35:41,569 --> 01:35:49,567
? ?
2148
01:36:09,563 --> 01:36:11,724
- Um...
2149
01:36:11,766 --> 01:36:16,567
You know, just losing...
2150
01:36:16,604 --> 01:36:20,062
And, uh...
2151
01:36:20,107 --> 01:36:23,565
just so many...
2152
01:36:23,611 --> 01:36:25,408
so many good people.
2153
01:36:25,446 --> 01:36:29,075
And...
uh...
2154
01:36:29,116 --> 01:36:33,075
You know, like any war,
2155
01:36:33,120 --> 01:36:35,953
you wonder
why you came home.
2156
01:36:37,792 --> 01:36:41,250
[man singing indistinctly]
2157
01:36:41,295 --> 01:36:44,264
[music continues]
2158
01:36:44,298 --> 01:36:47,495
? ?
2159
01:36:47,535 --> 01:36:49,765
[keyboard clacking]
2160
01:36:49,804 --> 01:36:52,932
- Mark collected
all of our writings,
2161
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:55,874
pieces that all of us had done
about what had gone wrong
2162
01:36:55,910 --> 01:36:57,935
in the ways that we studied
previous drugs
2163
01:36:57,978 --> 01:37:00,446
and what we were
already doing wrong
2164
01:37:00,481 --> 01:37:01,709
in terms of trying
to figure out
2165
01:37:01,749 --> 01:37:03,376
whether the protease inhibitors
worked,
2166
01:37:03,417 --> 01:37:04,884
and we published it
as this big report
2167
01:37:04,919 --> 01:37:06,853
and started passing them out
everywhere we went.
2168
01:37:06,887 --> 01:37:08,286
Let's do this study.
2169
01:37:08,322 --> 01:37:09,721
- They elevated themselves
2170
01:37:09,757 --> 01:37:13,284
by their own self-education
about these things,
2171
01:37:13,327 --> 01:37:14,794
and then it became
very, very clear
2172
01:37:14,829 --> 01:37:16,797
that you weren't gonna
mess with these people,
2173
01:37:16,831 --> 01:37:19,959
because they knew exactly
what you were talking about,
2174
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,468
and they knew exactly
what they were talking about.
2175
01:37:22,503 --> 01:37:24,801
- Activists created a system
2176
01:37:24,839 --> 01:37:26,136
that was able to do
everything
2177
01:37:26,173 --> 01:37:28,471
faster, better, cheaper,
2178
01:37:28,509 --> 01:37:31,774
more ethically,
and more effectively.
2179
01:37:31,812 --> 01:37:33,643
- They forced people
to put together
2180
01:37:33,681 --> 01:37:35,410
the right clinical trials,
2181
01:37:35,449 --> 01:37:37,644
where you had the patient
in mind,
2182
01:37:37,685 --> 01:37:39,983
and you weren't
cutting corners.
2183
01:37:40,020 --> 01:37:41,487
And, of course,
the big breakthrough
2184
01:37:41,522 --> 01:37:42,921
was combination therapy,
2185
01:37:42,957 --> 01:37:46,154
'cause monotherapy
was clearly not the way to go.
2186
01:37:46,193 --> 01:37:47,660
- So let's go back
into patients,
2187
01:37:47,695 --> 01:37:48,992
and let's go back
into patients
2188
01:37:49,029 --> 01:37:51,520
with Crixivan
plus AZT plus 3TC.
2189
01:37:51,565 --> 01:37:53,499
- The activists
proposed a study design;
2190
01:37:53,534 --> 01:37:54,660
industry used it.
2191
01:37:54,702 --> 01:37:56,829
It got the drug approved
in six months.
2192
01:37:56,871 --> 01:37:58,668
- So I was at a meeting
in Washington,
2193
01:37:58,706 --> 01:38:01,334
and I stood up there,
2194
01:38:01,375 --> 01:38:05,334
and I showed for the first time
the data in the study.
2195
01:38:05,379 --> 01:38:07,006
- The data
goes up on the screen,
2196
01:38:07,047 --> 01:38:10,175
and everyone gasps,
and cameras start to click.
2197
01:38:10,217 --> 01:38:12,617
And just����it's a realization
that this is�����
2198
01:38:12,653 --> 01:38:15,520
this is a really great drug,
and it�����it could work.
2199
01:38:15,556 --> 01:38:17,683
- I remember sitting there
in a hotel room
2200
01:38:17,725 --> 01:38:18,851
in Washington, D.C.,
2201
01:38:18,893 --> 01:38:21,361
our hotel banquet room,
2202
01:38:21,395 --> 01:38:23,693
and just crying.
2203
01:38:23,731 --> 01:38:26,529
It was like, "We did it.
We did something."
2204
01:38:26,567 --> 01:38:28,194
- It was too much to take in
at that point.
2205
01:38:28,235 --> 01:38:29,327
It wasn't until we started
2206
01:38:29,370 --> 01:38:31,361
putting the drugs
in our bodies
2207
01:38:31,405 --> 01:38:34,033
and we all went home and...
2208
01:38:34,074 --> 01:38:36,702
started�����
went straight on that regimen
2209
01:38:36,744 --> 01:38:38,871
that had been on that slide,
2210
01:38:38,913 --> 01:38:43,213
including Crixivan
and two nucleoside analogues.
2211
01:38:43,250 --> 01:38:45,047
And sure enough,
2212
01:38:45,085 --> 01:38:47,553
it happened in us
within 30 days,
2213
01:38:47,588 --> 01:38:48,714
all of us.
2214
01:38:48,756 --> 01:38:50,951
Undetectable, undetectable,
undetectable.
2215
01:38:50,991 --> 01:38:54,984
- The dying was stopping
with triple-drug combination.
2216
01:38:55,029 --> 01:38:57,554
And if you needed
your clinical trial,
2217
01:38:57,598 --> 01:38:59,225
you could just
go to these hospitals
2218
01:38:59,266 --> 01:39:00,733
that were not filling up
2219
01:39:00,768 --> 01:39:03,566
the way they were filling up
with people with HlV.
2220
01:39:03,604 --> 01:39:05,902
- You would see
their Kaposi's sarcoma lesions
2221
01:39:05,940 --> 01:39:10,240
that had been bright
and red and big
2222
01:39:10,277 --> 01:39:12,245
melting back into their skin.
2223
01:39:12,279 --> 01:39:13,940
- They were calling it
the Lazarus effect.
2224
01:39:13,981 --> 01:39:16,575
People who were deathly ill
would get put on this drug,
2225
01:39:16,617 --> 01:39:18,744
and all of a sudden,
they're working again.
2226
01:39:18,786 --> 01:39:21,050
That was a phenomenal feeling.
2227
01:39:21,088 --> 01:39:22,419
- It worked.
2228
01:39:22,456 --> 01:39:25,118
You know,
we did something remarkable.
2229
01:39:25,159 --> 01:39:26,592
- So that breakthrough,
you know,
2230
01:39:26,627 --> 01:39:31,428
that we thought was gonna happen
in '88 or '89
2231
01:39:31,465 --> 01:39:33,592
if we just worked
fast enough,
2232
01:39:33,634 --> 01:39:35,295
you know, it did happen.
2233
01:39:38,806 --> 01:39:41,639
But not until '96,
and so...
2234
01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:45,107
You know,
a lot of people died.
2235
01:39:45,145 --> 01:39:48,945
Maybe if Reagan had started
putting money into AlDS
2236
01:39:48,983 --> 01:39:50,814
a little earlier...
2237
01:39:55,823 --> 01:39:58,121
[sniffles]
2238
01:39:58,158 --> 01:39:59,284
[sighs]
2239
01:39:59,326 --> 01:40:01,123
They wouldn't all be dead.
2240
01:40:01,161 --> 01:40:04,130
[sniffles]
2241
01:40:04,164 --> 01:40:06,257
- I feel very fortunate.
2242
01:40:06,300 --> 01:40:10,964
And there's probably a lot
of complicated reasons why,
2243
01:40:11,005 --> 01:40:12,973
but I still
find it very difficult
2244
01:40:13,007 --> 01:40:14,474
to plan for the future
2245
01:40:14,508 --> 01:40:16,806
and/or accept that
2246
01:40:16,844 --> 01:40:21,247
I will have a long life,
2247
01:40:21,281 --> 01:40:24,910
which is unfortunate,
because I've had a long life,
2248
01:40:24,952 --> 01:40:29,480
and I've been living with AlDS
for 20 years.
2249
01:40:29,523 --> 01:40:34,654
But it's hard for me
to relax into life.
2250
01:40:34,695 --> 01:40:37,664
- I know lots of us
went through
2251
01:40:37,698 --> 01:40:41,327
really difficult times
after,
2252
01:40:41,368 --> 01:40:43,495
um, trying to figure out,
2253
01:40:43,537 --> 01:40:45,664
"Well, what do I do now?"
2254
01:40:45,706 --> 01:40:47,139
You know?
2255
01:40:47,174 --> 01:40:49,802
Not just because I didn't think
I had a future and now I do,
2256
01:40:49,843 --> 01:40:53,506
so I have to make some plans,
but...
2257
01:40:53,547 --> 01:40:57,176
How do I do something else
that is as...
2258
01:40:57,217 --> 01:40:58,844
[sighs]
2259
01:40:58,886 --> 01:41:00,683
I mean, it's a weird word,
2260
01:41:00,721 --> 01:41:05,021
but as fulfilling
as that work has been.
2261
01:41:05,059 --> 01:41:10,019
- To be that threatened
2262
01:41:10,064 --> 01:41:15,195
with extinction, um...
2263
01:41:15,235 --> 01:41:21,037
And to not lay down, um...
2264
01:41:21,075 --> 01:41:23,873
But instead to stand up
2265
01:41:23,911 --> 01:41:27,711
and to fight back.
2266
01:41:27,748 --> 01:41:29,716
The way we did it,
2267
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:33,709
the way we took care
of ourselves and each other,
2268
01:41:33,754 --> 01:41:37,053
the goodness that we showed,
2269
01:41:37,091 --> 01:41:40,720
the humanity
that we showed the world
2270
01:41:40,761 --> 01:41:43,059
is just mind-boggling,
2271
01:41:43,097 --> 01:41:45,895
just incredible.
2272
01:41:45,933 --> 01:41:46,957
crowd: Fight AlDS!
2273
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:49,195
Act up!
Fight back!
2274
01:41:49,236 --> 01:41:50,396
Fight AlDS!
2275
01:41:50,437 --> 01:41:52,064
- Every single drug
that's out there
2276
01:41:52,106 --> 01:41:54,904
is because of ACT UP,
I am convinced.
2277
01:41:54,942 --> 01:41:57,240
We had the brainpower,
and we had the street power.
2278
01:41:57,277 --> 01:41:59,245
We had the good cops
and the bad cops.
2279
01:41:59,279 --> 01:42:01,076
The government
didn't get us the drugs.
2280
01:42:01,115 --> 01:42:03,242
No one else got us the drugs.
2281
01:42:03,283 --> 01:42:07,083
We, ACT UP,
got those drugs out there.
2282
01:42:07,121 --> 01:42:09,919
It is the proudest achievement
2283
01:42:09,957 --> 01:42:12,255
that the gay population
of this world
2284
01:42:12,292 --> 01:42:13,850
can ever claim.
2285
01:42:13,894 --> 01:42:16,089
- We could do it
because we could deliver
2286
01:42:16,130 --> 01:42:19,224
hundreds and sometimes thousands
of bodies.
2287
01:42:19,266 --> 01:42:22,758
We had people with AlDS putting
their bodies on the line,
2288
01:42:22,803 --> 01:42:24,100
flopping out in the streets,
2289
01:42:24,138 --> 01:42:26,402
saying,
"Fine, this is my body.
2290
01:42:26,440 --> 01:42:27,771
Take me away."
2291
01:42:27,808 --> 01:42:29,002
- I drew the line there.
2292
01:42:29,042 --> 01:42:30,942
[chuckles]
2293
01:42:30,978 --> 01:42:32,445
I didn't want
to get arrested.
2294
01:42:32,479 --> 01:42:34,606
[laughs]
2295
01:42:34,648 --> 01:42:36,479
That far, I wouldn't go.
2296
01:42:38,819 --> 01:42:41,788
[upbeat rock music]
2297
01:42:41,822 --> 01:42:47,454
? ?
2298
01:42:47,494 --> 01:42:50,793
- ? Keeping up ?
2299
01:42:50,831 --> 01:42:55,029
? Keeping up with the feeling,
oh, yeah ?
2300
01:42:55,068 --> 01:42:57,628
? Getting to know
what you like ?
2301
01:42:57,671 --> 01:42:59,798
? And what you love ?
2302
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:01,967
- I'd like to close
with words written
2303
01:43:02,009 --> 01:43:04,637
by fellow AlDS activist
Vito Russo:
2304
01:43:04,678 --> 01:43:09,479
"When future generations ask
what we did in the war,
2305
01:43:09,516 --> 01:43:11,211
"we have to be able
to tell them
2306
01:43:11,251 --> 01:43:13,378
"that we were out here
fighting,
2307
01:43:13,420 --> 01:43:15,479
"and we have to leave
a legacy
2308
01:43:15,522 --> 01:43:19,151
"to the generations of people
who will come after us.
2309
01:43:19,193 --> 01:43:23,653
"Remember that someday
the AlDS crisis will be over.
2310
01:43:23,697 --> 01:43:26,325
"And when that day
has come and gone,
2311
01:43:26,366 --> 01:43:29,164
"there will be a people
alive on this Earth,
2312
01:43:29,203 --> 01:43:31,171
"gay people
and straight people,
2313
01:43:31,205 --> 01:43:32,832
"black people
and white people,
2314
01:43:32,873 --> 01:43:34,170
"men and women,
2315
01:43:34,208 --> 01:43:36,005
"who will hear the story
2316
01:43:36,043 --> 01:43:39,342
"that once there was
a terrible disease,
2317
01:43:39,379 --> 01:43:42,678
"and that a brave group
of people stood up and fought����
2318
01:43:42,716 --> 01:43:44,513
"and in some cases died�����
2319
01:43:44,551 --> 01:43:47,520
so that others might live
and be free."
2320
01:43:47,554 --> 01:43:48,782
? ?
2321
01:43:48,822 --> 01:43:50,517
- ? And there's ?
2322
01:43:50,557 --> 01:43:52,115
? And there's ?
2323
01:43:52,159 --> 01:43:54,684
? And there's no end in sight ?
2324
01:43:54,728 --> 01:43:56,525
? And there's ?
2325
01:43:56,563 --> 01:43:57,860
? And there's ?
2326
01:43:57,898 --> 01:44:00,298
? And there's no end in sight ?
2327
01:44:00,334 --> 01:44:05,397
? ?
2328
01:44:06,873 --> 01:44:09,933
- We might have a federal charge
if they get picky.
2329
01:44:09,977 --> 01:44:12,844
- Great.
Leavenworth, here we come.
2330
01:44:12,879 --> 01:44:15,814
? ?
2331
01:44:15,849 --> 01:44:17,180
- An invoice?
2332
01:44:17,217 --> 01:44:22,519
[indistinct chatter]
2333
01:44:22,556 --> 01:44:25,047
[laughter]
2334
01:44:25,092 --> 01:44:27,890
- ? Keeping up ?
2335
01:44:27,928 --> 01:44:29,327
? Keeping up ?
2336
01:44:29,363 --> 01:44:31,797
- Green, green.
2337
01:44:31,832 --> 01:44:34,801
- Ouch, that hurts.
2338
01:44:34,835 --> 01:44:35,995
- ? Keeping it up ?
2339
01:44:36,036 --> 01:44:40,029
? Keeping it up ?
2340
01:44:40,073 --> 01:44:43,736
- lnformation is essential
so that doctors and patients
2341
01:44:43,777 --> 01:44:46,075
can make intelligent treatment
decisions.
2342
01:44:46,113 --> 01:44:49,082
? ?
2343
01:44:49,116 --> 01:44:50,242
- Okay, all right.
2344
01:44:50,284 --> 01:44:51,911
Do I have to hold
the red button?
2345
01:44:51,952 --> 01:44:54,147
- No, you can let go, okay.
2346
01:44:54,187 --> 01:44:55,745
- I'm really glad to see
everybody here.
2347
01:44:55,789 --> 01:44:56,915
You look really good.
2348
01:44:56,957 --> 01:44:59,357
[scattered laughter]
2349
01:44:59,393 --> 01:45:02,362
- ? Try to keep up
in time ?
2350
01:45:02,396 --> 01:45:04,591
- I'd like to suggest
it would not be unethical
2351
01:45:04,631 --> 01:45:08,158
to do a randomized trial of two
different prevention programs.
2352
01:45:08,201 --> 01:45:11,193
? ?
2353
01:45:11,238 --> 01:45:13,263
- If we don't eradicate HlV
everywhere,
2354
01:45:13,307 --> 01:45:16,174
we will never eradicate it
anywhere.
2355
01:45:16,209 --> 01:45:18,700
- ? Keeping up ?
2356
01:45:18,745 --> 01:45:20,838
? Keeping up ?
2357
01:45:20,881 --> 01:45:22,781
- We may march
without incident,
2358
01:45:22,816 --> 01:45:24,613
or they may arrest us.
2359
01:45:24,651 --> 01:45:26,414
But it'll be fun.
2360
01:45:26,453 --> 01:45:31,789
? ?
2361
01:45:31,825 --> 01:45:33,520
- About the plane
in Sky Magazine.
2362
01:45:33,560 --> 01:45:35,050
[woman laughs]
2363
01:45:35,095 --> 01:45:38,030
? ?
2364
01:45:38,065 --> 01:45:42,627
- [singing indistinctly]
2365
01:45:42,669 --> 01:45:44,000
- ? And there's ?
2366
01:45:44,037 --> 01:45:45,971
? And there's ?
2367
01:45:46,006 --> 01:45:48,804
? And there's no end in sight ?
2368
01:45:48,842 --> 01:45:50,309
? And there's ?
2369
01:45:50,344 --> 01:45:52,073
? And there's ?
2370
01:45:52,112 --> 01:45:54,637
? And there's no end in sight ?
2371
01:45:54,681 --> 01:45:57,980
? Keeping up ?
2372
01:45:58,018 --> 01:46:00,043
? Keeping up ?
2373
01:46:00,087 --> 01:46:03,989
- In just over two years,
2374
01:46:04,024 --> 01:46:06,959
that drug went from
test tube to full approval.
2375
01:46:06,993 --> 01:46:10,190
- ? Heartbeat
won't go slow ?
2376
01:46:10,230 --> 01:46:11,822
? And when it's knowing ?
2377
01:46:11,865 --> 01:46:16,564
? That you will
be there tonight ?
2378
01:46:16,603 --> 01:46:19,538
? Keeping up ?
2379
01:46:19,573 --> 01:46:22,133
? Keeping up ?
2380
01:46:22,175 --> 01:46:23,540
? Keeping ?
2381
01:46:23,577 --> 01:46:25,738
? Keepin' it up ?
2382
01:46:25,779 --> 01:46:26,837
? Trying to keep going ?
2383
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,371
? There's no end in sight ?
2384
01:46:29,416 --> 01:46:32,044
? Keeping up ?
2385
01:46:32,085 --> 01:46:35,486
? Keeping up ?
2386
01:46:35,522 --> 01:46:36,784
? Keeping up ?
2387
01:46:36,823 --> 01:46:38,882
[music ends]
2388
01:46:41,561 --> 01:46:44,530
[whimsical music]
2389
01:46:44,564 --> 01:46:52,562
? ?
2390
01:46:53,907 --> 01:46:57,035
- ? In the dark of night ?
2391
01:46:57,077 --> 01:46:59,875
? I lay myself ?
2392
01:46:59,913 --> 01:47:03,212
? To rest ?
2393
01:47:03,250 --> 01:47:08,882
? Step out
of the strange light ?
2394
01:47:08,922 --> 01:47:11,220
- ? I go to bed ?
2395
01:47:11,258 --> 01:47:13,385
? For the blanket's quilted ?
2396
01:47:13,427 --> 01:47:17,386
? And I am dead ?
2397
01:47:17,431 --> 01:47:20,229
? I turn to the stars ?
2398
01:47:20,267 --> 01:47:23,395
- ? Stars over my bed ?
2399
01:47:23,437 --> 01:47:28,238
? ?
2400
01:47:28,275 --> 01:47:33,577
- ? Come to life ?
2401
01:47:33,613 --> 01:47:34,580
? Again ?
2402
01:47:34,614 --> 01:47:36,741
? ?
2403
01:47:36,783 --> 01:47:39,251
- ? Again ?
2404
01:47:39,286 --> 01:47:44,588
both: ? Come to life ?
2405
01:47:44,624 --> 01:47:46,421
? Again ?
2406
01:47:46,460 --> 01:47:51,591
- ? Baby's basketball ?
2407
01:47:51,631 --> 01:47:56,762
? And I will bounce along ?
2408
01:47:56,803 --> 01:48:01,263
? Look over my shoulder ?
2409
01:48:01,308 --> 01:48:05,768
both: ? See if I am wrong ?
2410
01:48:05,812 --> 01:48:13,810
? ?
2411
01:48:21,661 --> 01:48:24,630
? In the dark of night ?
2412
01:48:24,664 --> 01:48:27,633
? I lay myself ?
2413
01:48:27,667 --> 01:48:30,636
? To rest ?
2414
01:48:30,670 --> 01:48:36,472
? Step out
of the strange light ?
2415
01:48:36,510 --> 01:48:38,978
- ? I go to bed ?
2416
01:48:39,012 --> 01:48:40,809
? For the blanket's quilted ?
2417
01:48:40,847 --> 01:48:44,977
? And I am dead ?
2418
01:48:45,018 --> 01:48:47,987
? And I turn to the stars ?
2419
01:48:48,021 --> 01:48:50,990
- ? Stars over my bed ?
2420
01:48:51,024 --> 01:48:55,825
? ?
2421
01:48:55,862 --> 01:49:01,323
both: ? Come to life ?
2422
01:49:01,368 --> 01:49:02,335
? Again ?
2423
01:49:02,369 --> 01:49:04,496
? ?
2424
01:49:04,538 --> 01:49:07,006
- ? Again ?
2425
01:49:07,040 --> 01:49:12,171
both: ? Come to life ?
2426
01:49:12,212 --> 01:49:13,509
? Again ?
2427
01:49:13,547 --> 01:49:16,516
[whimsical music]
2428
01:49:16,550 --> 01:49:24,548
? ?
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