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Welcome to ACT UP!
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We are the AIDS coalition
to unleash power.
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A diverse non-partisan group
of individuals united in anger
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and committed to direct action to...
...end the AIDS crisis!
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Less than 12 hours from now,
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we are going to be taking over
city hall!
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ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS!
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Yes?
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Mr. mayor, in campaigning for
the lesbian and gay vote in an
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election year, a bit of
historical context is necessary
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in dealing with the AIDS
crisis in New York City.
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It wasn't until 1983 that you met with
people to deal with the AIDS crisis.
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- How do you respond to these criticisms?
- That is a falsehood.
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Please, anybody who's thinking
about being arrested,
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fill out a support sheet, make
sure your support person knows
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who you are and what
group you're in... yeah?
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If we end up in the tombs,
is there like, a queer tank
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there and would you recommend
that we ask to be there?
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There is a homo-tank and
I've been there and it's
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better than the straight
tank, let me tell you.
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Who else? Yes?
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In the past, you've described act
up as fascist, yet in the press
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release, you called them
"concerned citizens" and I was
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wondering what
changed your mind?
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Well, I don't think
you can't use both.
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Fascists can be concerned
citizens and I don't believe
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they are fascists, I think they
have used a fascist tactic.
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Let us celebrate together
tonight, the end of the last day
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on which Ed Koch can tell
himself that the communities
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which are being decimated by
this epidemic are so weak and
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so divided among themselves, that he can
keep serving us this kind of bullshit.
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Tomorrow morning he will
begin to learn the truth!
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ACT UP, stand tall, tomorrow
morning at city hall!
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ACT UP, stand tall,
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tomorrow morning at city hall!
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ACT UP, stand tall,
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tomorrow morning at city hall!
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ACT UP, stand tall...
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We're talking to Jim Eigo from the
treatment issues committee of ACT UP.
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Jim, what specific
treatment issues are being
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brought into this
demonstration this week?
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The municipal hospitals are
totally falling apart.
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More than half of the people
that get diagnosed with AIDS
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today get diagnosed in the
emergency rooms of our city.
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You're going to find yourself
waiting four days in an
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emergency room before
you get a bed.
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Pretty scared, but being
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HIV-positive, I don't have
much choice in the matter.
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I just love all these people,
and I think what we're doing is
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really right and I mean, listen to
this and look at all the people.
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It's just really wonderful and it's
worth putting yourself on the line for.
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...there is no
accurate diagnosis.
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There are incentives in the city
hospitals not to diagnose people
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with AIDS and therefore,
people don't get treated.
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We are angry at the way this
city has handled this crisis
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and we demand that ed Koch exert leadership
and declare a state of emergency.
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Go in the street now or wait,
those are the options.
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- One, he says go.
- Go now.
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Says now, three.
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Tom?
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Go now, Tom says.
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We're standing here
with Larry Kramer.
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What is ACT UP trying to
say today to Ed Koch?
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We're sending a message to
public officials, to closeted
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public officials, that we won't
be shat on anymore and obviously
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all the AIDS issues.
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I would love to see
like, more cameras or
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something, you know, for
our own protection.
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Did everyone hear his concern?
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People die every day,
friends get sick every day.
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It's like being in the trenches.
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There's such anger in the
community and it is coalescing
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in a way that has never
been done before.
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Okay, which way do we face
girlfriends, this way or that way?
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Healthcare is a right,
healthcare is a right!
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Healthcare is a right,
healthcare is a right!
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Healthcare is a right,
healthcare is a right!
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Pump up the budget!
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Healthcare is a right,
healthcare is a right!
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You are currently in violation
of law by obstructing
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vehicular pedestrian traffic.
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You have the option of leaving
at this time, otherwise...
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ACT UP!
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Fight back!
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Fight AIDS!
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ACT UP!
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Fight back, fight AIDS!
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I guess I'm feeling pretty
helpless at the moment.
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I think like, the biggest
question that I'm facing
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now is how to remain hopeful in
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the face of increasing loss.
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I don't know, maybe it
sounds really corny but I...
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As difficult as the time is for
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us... I like being alive.
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And I love my friends and I love
my family.
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I love the people around me.
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I'm going to die from this.
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This isn't going to be cured
for years and years and years.
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Doctor's office.
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Hi, it's Peter Staley.
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...it's like living in a war,
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all around me, friends are
dropping dead and you're scared
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for your own life, all
at the same time.
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I was diagnosed with
AIDS-related complex while I was
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working as a bond
trader on wall street.
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I had night sweats.
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I began to get dry, patchy,
scaly, itchy skin on my face.
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And I would get sick constantly.
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Colds would lay me up for weeks.
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I started to look around in
desperation for ways that I
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could find treatments to help
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save my life... um... And
there was nothing coming out
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of our government's efforts,
I quickly realized.
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Everything I read said I had about
two years to live, at most.
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- What do we want?
- A cure!
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- When do we want it?
- Now!
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- What do we want?
- A cure!
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- When do we want it?
- Now!
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- What do we want?
- A cure!
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- When do we want it?
- Now!
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I was on my way to work and I got
handed a flyer about act up and AIDS.
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My mentor says, "if you ask me,
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I think they all deserve to die
because they took it up the butt."
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I was deeply closeted and I had to just
stew about it for the rest of the day.
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I got myself to the very
next ACT UP meeting.
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They could just tap into that
immediate anger and get stuff done.
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...we will not leave until an
administrator meets with us
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and tells us that St. Vincent's
is willing to make a public
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statement condemning gay
and lesbian violence.
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All those in favor?
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All those opposed?
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They're coming!
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You see them right there.
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You've heard about ACT UP.
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You've seen our flyers.
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The kiss-in happens tonight.
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ACT UP!
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Fight back!
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Make love!
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ACT UP!
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Whoo, whoo!
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I'll deal with the cameras.
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Are you the security guard
that was beating people up?
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Members of the mainstream
media were thrown out, as we
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were earlier on, but Steve Zabel
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and I came back in and we're
bringing you this exclusive footage.
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Don't destroy property!
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You're destroying property.
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Well, actually you damaged
some human property last week.
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You damaged people.
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You will not beat up on faggots
and you will not beat up
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on lesbians in hospitals
in our own community.
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Two gay women were beaten up
and when her lover came to
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respond... you know the story.
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And another story was when two
gay guys came in, one was sick
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with AIDS, the security guard
told him to get the fuck out of
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here and called him "faggot."
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I think if you're gonna work,
especially in Greenwich village,
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you should have some sensitivity training,
'cause we're not gonna have it.
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I'm willing to meet with three
people if the rest of you leave.
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Okay, one at a time,
one at a time.
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It's unclear how to play it.
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My own instinct would be to say,
"we'll be glad to meet with you,
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and when the meeting's
over, we'll leave."
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Not to leave before the
meeting takes place.
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Gregg.
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We've shown the kind of power we
can have by immediate action,
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by sticking together, by
reaching a consensus together.
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We should take this in steps
and we should be cool-headed.
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I'm going to take
a straw poll, Okay?
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...and we agreed to leave the
waiting room while he met with
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three of our representatives:
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Gregg, Jerry and Neil, in that
public space right there.
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And then we would stick around out here
and wait to see what the outcome was.
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So I said, "enough of this,
this job is gonna kill me."
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So, I went on disability and
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decided to become a
full-time AIDS activist.
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In the beginning, what
drugs did we have?
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We had nothing.
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And the pneumonia could come
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on like that, and be gone
and that person is dead.
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The skin lesions, the Kaposi's sarcoma was...
people would be
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coming in with a purple spot.
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Everybody was coming in
with, "what is this spot?
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What is that spot?"
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You'd have some guys come in with k.S.
On their face and
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they'd be putting makeup on
their face and they'd be...
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It was... and they were lucky if
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it just stayed in the skin.
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If it didn't go into their
lungs, and then if it went into
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their lungs, chemo didn't
work and then they were gone.
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You were grasping at straws for
everything because these are
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young, vibrant people.
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And all of a sudden
they're being snatched.
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I think everything has to
be put in perspective.
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Larry?
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Iris long is lifesaving.
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If you can't hear in the back and you
want to, just shout it out, please.
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This is a report from the
American society of microbiology,
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a conference I went
to at the end of may.
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Quiet!
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There were many infections
talked about, including AIDS
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at this conference, and it was
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overwhelming to know how many
pathogens, bacteria, fungus,
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protozoas and viruses there are
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out there that can really make
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you very sick...
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One day this woman just showed up, this
housewife who had been a scientist and
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still was, and said, "you guys don't
know diddly about what this is.
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And anybody who wants to learn
about the system, how it works,
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how grants are made, how the
science works, how everything
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works, how the N.I.H. Works, how the F.D.A.
Works, how you
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can deal with all this enormous
amount of material, I'll teach you."
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There should be much more funding than
there is for infectious diseases.
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Iris was not gay, but
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she could not see, with what was
going on around her and what
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she knew, not reaching out to the
affected communities of AIDS.
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I waited and went up to
iris afterwards and said,
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"I'm interested in what you were
saying, I'd like to know more,
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I'd like to help."
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And a few people joined her,
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and that became a bigger and
bigger group and that became the
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treatment and data committee:
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T & D.
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They're still getting a hell
of a lot more money than
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actually getting those treatments in...
...it was kind of a dorky
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activity for a bunch of east village
hipsters and artists to sit around reading
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medical journal articles.
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We called it science club, like
it was chess club or something.
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There aren't drugs.
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Individual after individual
had to come to grips
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with the fact that "I will
survive the longest, the most I
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know about what I'm
putting into my body."
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So they all had to be become
scientists, to some degree.
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And what I'd like everyone to
do is to keep on thinking of
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ways to refine these things to
make them more clear to people
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that don't necessarily
know the issues.
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Like, 'o. I.', no one knows what 'o.
I.' Is... Okay, so I wrote it
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here, just 'cause
it's shorthand.
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Only 17% of people in their
trials have been taking drugs
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for opportunistic
infections or cancers...
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Mark wasn't like the
big, beefcakey guy.
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He was super smart,
smoked nonstop.
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Right away, Mark
digested, as by osmosis,
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everything.
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And within a few weeks, he had
come up with a glossary of AIDS
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treatment terms and we started
giving it out in our meetings.
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Next we have an announcement by
Tom Dwayne regarding housing.
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This is Bernard Braverman, who's
in danger of being evicted
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from his apartment that he shared with
his life partner for many, many years.
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His life partner died and the
landlord wants Bernard out of
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his home, because his name
was not on the lease.
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What's his landlord's address?
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There are cards here to fill
out to write to the governor.
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Let's make sure our voices
are heard in New York City
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to save the homes of p.W.A.S and
other non-traditional families.
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Thank you.
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I just want to say something
about what's just happened.
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I've realized we haven't done
anything yet for him and we
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haven't been effective and
we haven't been powerful.
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But we will be.
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It's very inspiring to know
that the power in this room is
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potentially available to
each and every one of us.
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One, two, three.
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Good?
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How's it?
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Is that as good as
daddy's or better?
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You're better.
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Yay!
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Would you like daddy to try it?
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Are you ready?
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That's not very good.
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One, two, three.
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I know this sounds ironic, considering
that it ended in divorce, but I think it
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is fair to say it is the only really
successful love affair of my life.
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I came out at age 40.
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It was very bad timing to come out
in the middle of an epidemic.
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The question is what does a
decent society do with people
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who hurt themselves because
they're human, who smoke too
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much, who eat too much, who drive
carelessly, who don't have safe sex?
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I think the answer is that a
decent society does not put
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people out to pasture and let them die
because they've done a human thing.
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For the first time today,
the government approved
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prescription sales of
a drug to treat AIDS.
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The drug, A.Z.T., is not a cure
for the disease, but it has
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prolonged the lives
of some AIDS victims.
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It's the only government-approved
AIDS drug in America.
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But even this most promising of drugs
is a source of frustration and anger.
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At $10,000 a year cost per
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patient, it's prohibitively expensive
for most and not widely available.
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Out of the bars and
into the streets!
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Out of the bars and
into the streets!
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A.Z.T. Was the most
expensive drug in history;
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They charge $10,000 a year.
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We need to get a substantial price
reduction out of this company.
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The incident began at 10
this morning when four AIDS
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activists took over an office at
Burroughs Wellcome, saying they
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had enough food and water to
stay holed up for a long time.
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The activists are demanding that Burroughs
Wellcome lower its price of A.Z.T.
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Burroughs Wellcome is
profiting off of our lives,
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that's why we did
today what we did.
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And, if they don't see to, start
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listening to my community,
to our community, the AIDS
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community, then we're
gonna be back.
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One of the worst, worst
things was when people
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died in the hospital, they used
to put them in black trash bags.
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It was...
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It was really awful.
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And not every funeral parlor
would take patients who had died
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of AIDS.
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But so the least we could
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offer is sympathy and moral
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support, you know, and kindness,
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and so forth.
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And that they deserved,
in any case.
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And when even that became
denied, you know, by the
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totalitarian rules of
organizations, of institutions,
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it was really horrifying.
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It is the most frightening
medical mystery of our times.
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AIDS victims must deal with the trauma
of being both a patient and a pariah.
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I hate to use the word "gay"
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in connection with sodomy.
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There's nothing gay about these
people, engaging in incredibly
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offensive and revolting conduct that
has led to the proliferation of AIDS.
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There is a feeling among
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members of any of a number of
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professions or just the general
population, that patients with
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AIDS, many of whom are homosexual,
are a little bit different.
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I think that that has led to a
little bit of a complacency
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about the approach
towards this disease.
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In the absence of adequate
health care, we have learned to
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become our own clinicians, researchers,
lobbyists, drug smugglers, pharmacists.
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We have our own libraries, newspapers,
drug stores, and laboratories.
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Some of the medications that were
made available were not effective.
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They were in this category that
we called "what the hell" drugs,
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which is there's some
evidence it could be useful,
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it's unlikely to be harmful...
what the hell.
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Should I type?
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Yes, type.
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Take your time.
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Where are we?
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We're at the people with AIDS health
group, the largest underground buyers'
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club in the United States.
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And what do you do here?
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We help people import drugs
from other countries, um,
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that are unapproved here.
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Peptide T, albendazole, oral
amphotericin b, um, we have a
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whole variety of things for
your treatment pleasure.
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None of which work, by the way.
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Put that in.
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People with AIDS, what they
were mostly thinking about was
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"oh, drugs, how do I
get it off-market?
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How do I... will we ever get a
black market for this drug?
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I hear this is good and..."
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It was iris who helped us see:
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We don't want a... black market,
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we want to make the
real market work.
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Try it.
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Hi, I'm Mark Harrington
from ACT UP New York.
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Recently, a lot of activists have
been asking why ACT UP is going...
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Uh, you've got to start over, I've gotta do that...
I've gotta do that over.
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You can just start
yourself over.
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But I did - but I won't get that
wonderful cigarette-lighting thing.
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I think the cigarette maybe
is not going to work.
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I shouldn't use the
cigarette at all?
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Really?
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I don't think so, it's too, um...
too much.
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Too much?
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Hi, I'm Mark Harrington
from ACT UP New York.
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A lot of people have been asking why are
AIDS activists going to the F.D.A.?
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First of all, you have to
understand that the F.D.A. Is
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one of the many federal AIDS
bureaucracies which we're angry
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with for not doing enough
in the fight against AIDS.
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Half the people who take A.Z.T.
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Can't take it 'cause of side
effects, and therefore,
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the F.D.A. Has to take a more activist
stance in the experimental process.
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And only the F.D.A. Has the
power under existing laws and
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regulations to release the drugs
that we want released now.
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How's that?
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Chanting group approaches:
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A.Z.T. Is not enough!
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Give us all the other stuff!
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A.Z.T. Is not enough!
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Give us all the other stuff!
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A.Z.T. Is not enough!
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Give us all the other stuff!
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It takes nine months to
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test a drug in Europe... in Belgium,
in France, in Germany, in england.
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We are not asking the F.D.A. To
release dangerous drugs without
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safety or efficacy.
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We are simply asking the F.D.A.
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To do it quicker.
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Drugs for sale!
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Drugs for sale!
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Dextran sulfate for sale.
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Get your dextran here.
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You can't get it inside.
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...f. D.A., but we're
selling it anyway.
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$30 for dextran sulfate!
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Release the drugs now!
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Release the drugs now!
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Release the drugs now!
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...get to work, get to work!
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Get to work, get to work!
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...guilty, guilty, guilty!
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Guilty, guilty, guilty!
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Guilty, guilty, guilty!
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...seize control, seize control!
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Seize control, seize control!
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Keep it moving!
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Keep it moving!
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Seize control!
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Seize control, seize control...
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Fight AIDS!
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ACT UP!
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Fight back!
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Fight AIDS!
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Seize control!
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Seize control, seize control!
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Seize control,
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seize control, seize control!
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Seize control!
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Tell us why you got arrested, where are
they taking you, what's going on today?
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We don't know what's...
where they're taking us.
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We're here because this
government has the resources
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to deal with the AIDS epidemic, and
they won't do it unless we force them.
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I.J. Hutchins reports
live from Rockville,
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where the massive protest
is wrapping up... I.J.?
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Well, Jim, it's being billed as one
of Montgomery county's biggest
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demonstrations in recent history
and it went off smoothly.
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185 arrests, as a coalition of
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gay groups came to Rockville
to shut down the F.D.A.
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Tonight, from Washington,
crossfire, against all odds.
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On the left, Tom Braden.
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On the right, pat Buchanan.
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In the crossfire, Peter Staley of the New
York AIDS coalition to unleash power.
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Peter Staley, you have the
AIDS virus, and I am sorry.
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But don't you think that the
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federal drug administration has
a responsibility not to let
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people, such as you, have quacks
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that could cause even more
harm than you already have?
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The problem is, is that the F.D.A.
Is using the same
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process to test a nasal spray
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as it is to test AIDS drugs,
and it's a 7-10 year process.
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You have the F.D.A.
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Giving you a drug.
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So far, you've got A.Z.T.
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Why... - which I can't take
because it's too... far too toxic
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and over half the people
that have HIV can't take.
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Okay, but the F.D.A. Says
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there is nothing else
that is worth anything.
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Mr. Staley, this is gonna astonish you,
but I agree with you a hundred percent.
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I think if someone's got AIDS
and someone wants to take a
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drug, it's their life and if it gives them
hope, you ought to be able to take it.
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What I want to ask you is
whether you know of anything
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that you think might be some
kind of miraculous cure that
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you think they're
sitting on at F.D.A.
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There are over 140 drugs out
there that the F.D.A. Has
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identified as possibilities,
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and are in some stage of
being looked at right now.
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Why are they holding back?
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Among that 140, there's gotta
be one or a combination thereof
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that can, that can slow down this
virus or halt it in its tracks.
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You're just simply carrying
the virus, is that correct?
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I have a few very minor symptoms and
my immune system is virtually shot.
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What would you like to take?
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I would like to be able to take
dextran sulfate... legally.
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How would that hurt you?
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...on the underground
right now.
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Well, why not, Mr. Braden?
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Because... well, I don't know
anything about dextran sulfate.
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Well, I'll tell you this:
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It's an over-the-counter drug in
Japan and has been for 20 years.
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But - over-the-counter.
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But if the F.D.A. Says...
I'm only asking that they
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be released after there's a minimal
amount of efficacy, not a 100% test.
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You've got the pink triangle on
your shirt, silence equals death.
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I gather that means
you're a homosexual.
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- Yes.
- Looking in the camera, what would you tell some
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kid, say you had a younger
brother, 21 years old, who also
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might have homosexual
tendencies, what would you tell
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him if you wanted him
to live a long life?
483
00:30:48,246 --> 00:30:53,081
Use a condom, and also to use a lubricant,
by the way, that has the medicine...
484
00:30:53,952 --> 00:30:55,594
this is Russian roulette.
485
00:30:55,619 --> 00:30:57,362
It is not Russian roulette.
486
00:30:57,387 --> 00:31:00,233
It is Russian roulette to not
give people this information
487
00:31:00,258 --> 00:31:02,302
when human nature dictates
that they're gonna
488
00:31:02,328 --> 00:31:04,169
go out there, and
they're gonna have sex.
489
00:31:04,194 --> 00:31:06,406
- You mean celibacy is impossible?
- It's just not gonna work.
490
00:31:06,431 --> 00:31:09,545
People aren't gonna do it, and lots,
lots of people are gonna die.
491
00:31:09,599 --> 00:31:11,708
Now would you rather have a lot
492
00:31:12,403 --> 00:31:14,880
of people cheating on their
celibacy with thousands of
493
00:31:14,905 --> 00:31:18,527
people dying, or would you rather save
those lives and let them have sex?
494
00:31:18,809 --> 00:31:21,420
I think that, uh... Well,
thank you very much,
495
00:31:21,445 --> 00:31:23,055
Peter Staley, thanks for
being in our studio.
496
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,230
Mr. Braden and I will
be back in in a minute.
497
00:31:28,952 --> 00:31:32,496
One of the things we wanted
was a drug that you gave
498
00:31:32,757 --> 00:31:36,430
to people who had
cytomegalovirus and advanced
499
00:31:37,194 --> 00:31:41,396
AIDS, because people who had
both tended to go blind.
500
00:31:42,633 --> 00:31:44,130
It was called d.H.P.G.
501
00:32:14,664 --> 00:32:18,077
In a way similar to A.Z.T., it
was highly toxic, but it was
502
00:32:18,102 --> 00:32:21,844
known to be effective because
6,000 people had already used
503
00:32:22,606 --> 00:32:25,462
the drug, but never
in a clinical trial.
504
00:32:26,844 --> 00:32:28,000
Hey, hey, F.D.A.!
505
00:32:28,779 --> 00:32:30,661
How many people did
you kill today?
506
00:32:31,315 --> 00:32:33,959
We are with Jim Eigo from
ACT UP, and there's a major
507
00:32:33,984 --> 00:32:37,128
protest going on here in
Bethesda over the drug d.H.P.G.
508
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:38,464
Tell us what's happening.
509
00:32:38,489 --> 00:32:41,764
Well, this is the second
meeting of the bush commission
510
00:32:41,925 --> 00:32:45,972
for reviewing procedures for
approving AIDS and cancer drugs.
511
00:32:45,997 --> 00:32:47,698
And we thought, since the
512
00:32:48,199 --> 00:32:51,767
non-approval of d.H.P.G. Is
such a perfect example of how
513
00:32:52,202 --> 00:32:54,914
regulation has gone wrong,
we'd bring it home to the
514
00:32:54,939 --> 00:32:58,523
commission itself by showing up here
in force, and that's what we've done.
515
00:32:58,809 --> 00:33:01,954
Okay, also inside at the hearing
itself, and I understand
516
00:33:01,979 --> 00:33:04,791
there's gonna be an action in just a
little while when Ellen Cooper speaks.
517
00:33:04,816 --> 00:33:05,764
I guess so.
518
00:33:10,555 --> 00:33:11,798
What about d.H.P.G.?
519
00:33:11,823 --> 00:33:13,184
What about d.H.P.G.?
520
00:33:15,159 --> 00:33:18,368
Without the objective data, we
feel that we would indeed be
521
00:33:19,297 --> 00:33:21,270
on, on treacherous grounds in
522
00:33:22,666 --> 00:33:25,811
defending that decision, and in
fact would be wide open to the
523
00:33:25,836 --> 00:33:28,126
charge of arbitrary
decision-making.
524
00:33:28,739 --> 00:33:30,508
Although, uh, we certainly
525
00:33:30,842 --> 00:33:32,591
wouldn't be be accused
of being inflexible.
526
00:33:32,710 --> 00:33:35,878
You did it with A.Z.T., I don't
see why you can't do it with...
527
00:33:36,346 --> 00:33:39,425
I mean, I have to say that
the difference in the data
528
00:33:39,450 --> 00:33:41,491
between A.Z.T. And d.H.P.G. Is
529
00:33:42,053 --> 00:33:46,182
the difference between night and day, as far as...
Sight and blindness.
530
00:33:46,590 --> 00:33:48,155
You're just as blind...
531
00:33:50,294 --> 00:33:54,258
...since this meeting's started, and four
more are gonna die before it's over.
532
00:33:54,298 --> 00:33:55,574
Who represents the
patient on this panel?
533
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,962
Where is the person of
color on this panel?
534
00:33:58,269 --> 00:33:59,834
F.D.A. Relooks at the
535
00:34:01,204 --> 00:34:03,313
d.H.P.G. Data and suddenly, oh!
536
00:34:03,740 --> 00:34:05,033
Agrees with ACT UP.
537
00:34:06,943 --> 00:34:08,099
Ready for a vote?
538
00:34:09,347 --> 00:34:11,388
All in favor, raise your hand.
539
00:34:13,451 --> 00:34:14,199
One, two...
540
00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:16,750
Well, that's everyone.
541
00:34:20,791 --> 00:34:23,101
It was really an amazing
encounter, but it sort
542
00:34:23,126 --> 00:34:25,770
of felt like reaching, uh,
the wizard of oz, like,
543
00:34:25,795 --> 00:34:28,406
you've got to the center of the
whole, of the whole system,
544
00:34:28,431 --> 00:34:30,643
and there's just this
schmuck behind a curtain.
545
00:34:30,668 --> 00:34:33,446
There was no guiding agenda,
there was no leadership,
546
00:34:33,471 --> 00:34:36,951
there was no global strategy for
how to deal with AIDS in the U.S.
547
00:34:38,108 --> 00:34:41,518
And so, on the bus back from
Bethesda, we decided to write a
548
00:34:41,846 --> 00:34:44,623
treatment agenda, because nobody
was dealing with the entire map
549
00:34:44,648 --> 00:34:46,759
of AIDS, the entire
constellation of opportunistic
550
00:34:46,784 --> 00:34:49,761
infections, the gaps in
research, the underrepresented
551
00:34:49,786 --> 00:34:52,898
populations, the fact that the
diseases and the drugs might
552
00:34:52,923 --> 00:34:54,244
be different in
those populations.
553
00:34:54,257 --> 00:34:57,436
- How would we ever find out?
- They weren't even being studied.
554
00:34:59,197 --> 00:35:00,694
♪ In the dark of night
555
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:03,898
I laid myself to rest ♪
556
00:35:08,606 --> 00:35:10,647
♪ step out of the strange... ♪
557
00:35:12,275 --> 00:35:13,858
- Bye, Ron!
- Bye, Bobby!
558
00:35:17,047 --> 00:35:18,958
Come on Catherine, let's go.
It's time to go.
559
00:35:18,983 --> 00:35:19,683
Yeah.
560
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:24,020
♪ Again ♪
561
00:35:25,822 --> 00:35:27,115
♪ come to life... ♪
562
00:35:29,527 --> 00:35:30,888
...knows no borders!
563
00:35:30,961 --> 00:35:32,049
The AIDS crisis!
564
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:33,786
Knows no borders!
565
00:35:34,197 --> 00:35:35,285
The AIDS crisis!
566
00:35:35,733 --> 00:35:36,889
Knows no borders!
567
00:35:37,168 --> 00:35:38,256
The AIDS crisis!
568
00:35:38,735 --> 00:35:39,891
Knows no borders!
569
00:35:40,271 --> 00:35:41,359
The AIDS crisis!
570
00:35:41,972 --> 00:35:43,128
Knows no borders!
571
00:35:43,340 --> 00:35:44,428
The AIDS crisis!
572
00:35:45,041 --> 00:35:46,197
Knows no borders!
573
00:35:47,177 --> 00:35:49,855
I'd just like to say that
the reasons I can't get any
574
00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:53,292
of these drugs is 'cause for
nine years now, the leadership
575
00:35:53,317 --> 00:35:57,193
in this country has failed to
come up with a plan of action.
576
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,461
They've failed to come up with
a plan of research, a national
577
00:36:01,291 --> 00:36:02,379
research agenda.
578
00:36:02,927 --> 00:36:06,941
People with AIDS and their advocates
have finally done this for them.
579
00:36:07,231 --> 00:36:07,979
This is it.
580
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,749
This is the plan
we're presenting.
581
00:36:11,034 --> 00:36:13,913
We need our government to read
this plan, we need them to work
582
00:36:13,938 --> 00:36:17,717
with us, if they want to change
it a little, we'll talk to them.
583
00:36:17,742 --> 00:36:20,585
But I want them to adopt it,
I want them to get started
584
00:36:20,610 --> 00:36:23,441
on it, I want them to save our lives.
Thank you.
585
00:36:24,648 --> 00:36:28,860
I snuck around and grabbed, uh,
grabbed one of those copies,
586
00:36:28,885 --> 00:36:30,790
and it was very interesting.
587
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:32,897
We believe that the united
states has a global
588
00:36:32,922 --> 00:36:36,168
responsibility to quickly
develop effective treatments,
589
00:36:36,193 --> 00:36:39,272
not only for HIV infection
itself, but for all of the
590
00:36:39,297 --> 00:36:41,607
opportunistic infections, which
actually cause suffering and
591
00:36:41,632 --> 00:36:43,576
death in people
living with AIDS.
592
00:36:43,601 --> 00:36:47,971
This is not a new agenda, and it
is not an agenda of only ACT UP.
593
00:36:48,172 --> 00:36:49,681
Scientists agree with this.
594
00:36:49,706 --> 00:36:51,135
Why can't we have it?
595
00:36:51,309 --> 00:36:53,552
The researchers and regulators
are going to have to
596
00:36:53,577 --> 00:36:57,355
come up with a parallel release
program that will get drugs to
597
00:36:57,380 --> 00:37:00,993
the people who need it before
the five years down the pipe
598
00:37:01,018 --> 00:37:02,966
where they may be
approved by the F.D.A.
599
00:37:03,286 --> 00:37:06,327
I was scribbling madly
in this copy of their,
600
00:37:06,356 --> 00:37:09,067
their AIDS treatment research agenda...
I would go back and
601
00:37:09,092 --> 00:37:11,133
forth between saying, "no, no!
602
00:37:11,329 --> 00:37:13,038
They, they don't understand!"
603
00:37:13,063 --> 00:37:16,733
To saying, "whoa, you mean this
isn't the way we're doing trials?
604
00:37:16,900 --> 00:37:19,862
You mean people aren't
allowed to do this or that?"
605
00:37:19,969 --> 00:37:23,345
But I have to tell you that I
was still not ready to sort of
606
00:37:23,673 --> 00:37:25,956
go up to them and
try, try and engage.
607
00:37:26,476 --> 00:37:29,721
I brought this copy back and I
distributed it to a small group
608
00:37:29,746 --> 00:37:34,560
of statisticians that was meeting regularly
to talk about trial design issues.
609
00:37:34,585 --> 00:37:37,926
The people sitting around that
table got as excited as I did.
610
00:37:38,422 --> 00:37:41,185
This had clearly been written
by people who were very
611
00:37:42,059 --> 00:37:46,135
knowledgeable, very, very
intelligent, and really wanted
612
00:37:46,864 --> 00:37:48,674
to do the trials the
best possible way.
613
00:37:48,699 --> 00:37:50,076
They were not against trials.
614
00:37:50,101 --> 00:37:52,478
They wanted to get the right
answers, but they wanted what
615
00:37:52,503 --> 00:37:54,272
they called humane trials.
616
00:37:54,438 --> 00:37:58,213
It all came together in
Montreal, but what was new for
617
00:37:58,509 --> 00:38:02,161
ACT UP... we went
to a drug company.
618
00:38:02,579 --> 00:38:05,123
There is renewed hope for
people infected with AIDS.
619
00:38:05,148 --> 00:38:09,027
A new experimental drug, D.D.I.,
will be distributed on a limited
620
00:38:09,052 --> 00:38:13,398
basis for free this fall by its developer,
the giant Bristol-Myers company.
621
00:38:13,423 --> 00:38:16,601
This marks the first time an
anti-AIDS drug will be available
622
00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:18,740
even before safety
testing is finished.
623
00:38:19,295 --> 00:38:22,475
Full A.Z.T. Treatment is too
much for patient Peter Staley.
624
00:38:22,500 --> 00:38:26,112
For nine months, he's been limited to a
quarter-dose of the drug, and wants D.D.I.
625
00:38:26,137 --> 00:38:27,413
As soon as possible.
626
00:38:27,438 --> 00:38:29,547
Do you need D.D.I.
To live, do you think?
627
00:38:29,572 --> 00:38:31,477
Yes, I need, I need D.D.I.
628
00:38:31,942 --> 00:38:34,676
I probably need some other
anti-virals beyond that.
629
00:38:35,179 --> 00:38:38,985
It is historic, it is because
the AIDS activist community
630
00:38:39,282 --> 00:38:40,847
has obtained this drug.
631
00:38:41,217 --> 00:38:44,663
It is not the government, no one
has given it to us, we have
632
00:38:44,688 --> 00:38:47,589
fought for it, and for the
first time, we have won.
633
00:38:48,726 --> 00:38:51,971
So, by '89, less than a year after our F.D.A.
Demo, they had
634
00:38:51,996 --> 00:38:55,007
approved a drug to prevent
blindness in people with AIDS.
635
00:38:55,032 --> 00:38:58,441
And we had gotten expanded
access to D.D.I., and that was
636
00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:00,234
a very powerful feeling.
637
00:39:00,371 --> 00:39:03,648
We felt like we were taking direct
action and we were helping make
638
00:39:03,673 --> 00:39:05,170
people's lives better.
639
00:39:08,846 --> 00:39:12,083
I wasn't sure that A.Z.T. Or D.D.I.
Were all that great,
640
00:39:12,148 --> 00:39:14,360
but we were beginning to get
letters from people that said,
641
00:39:14,385 --> 00:39:16,594
"thank you for saving my
eyesight, " " thank you, ACT UP,
642
00:39:16,619 --> 00:39:18,563
for getting me access to D.D.I.
643
00:39:18,588 --> 00:39:20,561
And helping to save my life."
644
00:39:27,398 --> 00:39:30,837
At Merck, HIV was an
important scientific target.
645
00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:34,907
HIV, of course, is a virus.
646
00:39:35,438 --> 00:39:39,282
In order for the virus to infect
an uninfected cell, it needs to
647
00:39:40,411 --> 00:39:42,846
construct itself in
a particular way.
648
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:47,959
First, the viral RNA needs to
transform itself into a DNA copy
649
00:39:48,985 --> 00:39:53,975
in order to knit itself into the nuclear
DNA of the newly infected cell.
650
00:39:54,358 --> 00:39:57,790
This occurs by a process
called reverse transcription.
651
00:39:58,027 --> 00:40:03,171
- A.Z.T. And D.D.I. Were both
- Originally developed to try to
652
00:40:03,567 --> 00:40:06,733
inhibit that process of
establishing infection.
653
00:40:07,237 --> 00:40:10,482
A number of other researchers
began to focus on another
654
00:40:10,507 --> 00:40:14,622
portion of the viral life cycle,
after the cell is already infected.
655
00:40:14,978 --> 00:40:18,853
One of the steps that it takes is that is...
it makes a viral
656
00:40:19,983 --> 00:40:25,054
protein, it has to snip that viral
protein in very specific places.
657
00:40:25,523 --> 00:40:30,512
The resulting pieces self-assemble
to make the viral particle.
658
00:40:31,061 --> 00:40:33,639
And what does the snipping,
and what in fact controls
659
00:40:33,664 --> 00:40:37,527
the snipping is a viral
protein called the protease.
660
00:40:37,835 --> 00:40:41,547
If you genetically modify the
viral protease so that it can no
661
00:40:41,572 --> 00:40:45,012
longer snip, the virus no longer
has the ability to make those
662
00:40:45,175 --> 00:40:47,286
component pieces that it
needs to make in order to
663
00:40:47,311 --> 00:40:50,515
self-assemble, and make an
infectious viral particle.
664
00:40:51,949 --> 00:40:54,582
We solved the structure
of HIV protease in 1989,
665
00:40:55,985 --> 00:40:58,162
and published it pretty quickly.
666
00:40:58,389 --> 00:41:01,600
I think, I think we saw the
structure and within a few weeks
667
00:41:01,625 --> 00:41:02,935
it was in the literature.
668
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,136
And then the question became
"all right, can we prove it?"
669
00:41:05,161 --> 00:41:08,239
Can we prove it that that is
in fact the case, and most
670
00:41:08,264 --> 00:41:12,072
importantly, can we prove that
if you inhibit that protease,
671
00:41:12,369 --> 00:41:15,776
if you knock out its activity,
that the virus can no longer
672
00:41:15,972 --> 00:41:19,652
replicate, and therefore make new
progeny viral particles that
673
00:41:19,677 --> 00:41:22,378
would then go on and establish
a new cycle of infection.
674
00:41:29,186 --> 00:41:31,096
AIDS is now the leading
cause of death for men
675
00:41:31,121 --> 00:41:34,489
under 44 in New York and a
half-dozen other cities,
676
00:41:34,757 --> 00:41:37,380
surpassing homicide and
all other diseases.
677
00:41:37,427 --> 00:41:40,272
Yet Roman catholic bishops are
meeting this week to publicly
678
00:41:40,297 --> 00:41:43,561
oppose the use of condoms
as morally unacceptable.
679
00:41:44,233 --> 00:41:47,971
This puts them in direct opposition to U.S.
public health policy.
680
00:41:49,974 --> 00:41:52,750
The new church position
condemns not only the
681
00:41:52,775 --> 00:41:56,510
immorality of condoms, but
their effectiveness, as well.
682
00:41:56,614 --> 00:42:00,326
The draft under consideration in
Baltimore this week says it is
683
00:42:00,351 --> 00:42:04,527
quote, "a virtual certainty that
reliance on condoms will result
684
00:42:04,688 --> 00:42:06,389
in transmission of AIDS."
685
00:42:06,990 --> 00:42:10,402
Of the bishop's proposed new
policy, New York City health
686
00:42:10,427 --> 00:42:12,228
commissioner Stephen
Joseph says...
687
00:42:12,695 --> 00:42:14,675
This would be a
public health disaster.
688
00:42:14,998 --> 00:42:18,409
It would undoubtedly lead to
more transmission, particularly
689
00:42:18,434 --> 00:42:22,581
in high-risk areas of the city,
more disease and more death.
690
00:42:22,606 --> 00:42:26,685
Catholic conservatives say not
just physical death but spiritual
691
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:28,275
death is at issue here.
692
00:42:28,646 --> 00:42:32,290
As New York City's archbishop,
John cardinal O'Connor put it...
693
00:42:32,315 --> 00:42:35,928
The use of prophylactics is
immoral in a pluralistic society
694
00:42:36,753 --> 00:42:38,182
or any other society.
695
00:42:39,922 --> 00:42:43,502
I think that's it except, of
course, we have Ann Northrop
696
00:42:43,527 --> 00:42:45,704
giving her sound bite technique.
697
00:42:54,804 --> 00:42:56,913
Uh, we want everybody to join
698
00:42:58,074 --> 00:43:00,047
us, to support us, to destroy
699
00:43:01,045 --> 00:43:04,116
the power of the catholic
church, to make our side the
700
00:43:04,514 --> 00:43:06,351
strong one, and to do that,
701
00:43:06,884 --> 00:43:10,561
we must put out the message
that we are the ones who are
702
00:43:10,586 --> 00:43:15,094
fighting for people's lives,
and they are the murderers.
703
00:43:15,793 --> 00:43:17,766
Don't be afraid of the media.
704
00:43:18,262 --> 00:43:21,482
You're talking through
them to the public.
705
00:43:21,699 --> 00:43:25,122
We are trying to arouse,
to anger an action.
706
00:43:26,869 --> 00:43:31,700
And hone it down to, yes, a
three-second bite, a five-second bite,
707
00:43:32,543 --> 00:43:36,654
just a phrase that will have an
impact, that will say something
708
00:43:36,679 --> 00:43:40,068
specific and that will
be understandable.
709
00:43:41,385 --> 00:43:42,085
So...
710
00:43:51,894 --> 00:43:53,663
I don't have a, uh, phrase
711
00:43:54,063 --> 00:43:57,326
worked out, and, uh, so you're
all gonna have to create your
712
00:43:57,333 --> 00:43:59,238
own, so this is empowerment.
713
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:05,140
ACT UP!
714
00:44:06,242 --> 00:44:06,942
ACT UP!
715
00:44:10,414 --> 00:44:11,230
♪ Answer me,
716
00:44:12,181 --> 00:44:13,065
sweet Jesus ♪
717
00:44:14,217 --> 00:44:15,714
♪ won't you help me? ♪
718
00:44:18,322 --> 00:44:20,232
Please, you're interfering
with us, step back.
719
00:44:20,257 --> 00:44:21,400
This is Jesus Christ.
720
00:44:21,425 --> 00:44:24,087
I'm in front of St. Patrick's
cathedral on Sunday.
721
00:44:24,661 --> 00:44:28,406
We're here reporting on a major AIDS
activist and abortion-rights activist
722
00:44:28,431 --> 00:44:31,810
demonstration, which will be
taking place here all morning.
723
00:44:31,835 --> 00:44:33,740
Inside, cardinal O'Connor is
724
00:44:34,438 --> 00:44:38,832
busy spreading his lies and rumors about
the position of lesbians and gays.
725
00:44:39,175 --> 00:44:41,819
We're here to say we want
to go to heaven, too.
726
00:44:59,496 --> 00:45:02,574
J.C. Here with the fire and
brimstone network, and we'd like
727
00:45:02,599 --> 00:45:07,024
to ask you a little bit about this large
vision that you've visited upon us.
728
00:45:07,137 --> 00:45:08,980
Well, we've decided to
rename the cardinal.
729
00:45:09,005 --> 00:45:10,842
He's now cardinal O'Condom.
730
00:45:11,240 --> 00:45:14,550
This is our message to him that
condoms are safe, it's no sin.
731
00:45:43,974 --> 00:45:45,062
Stop killing us!
732
00:45:45,541 --> 00:45:46,629
Stop killing us!
733
00:45:47,643 --> 00:45:48,731
Stop killing us!
734
00:45:49,413 --> 00:45:51,190
We're not gonna take it anymore!
735
00:45:51,514 --> 00:45:52,738
You're killing us!
736
00:45:53,016 --> 00:45:53,716
Stop it!
737
00:45:54,318 --> 00:45:55,018
Stop it!
738
00:45:55,652 --> 00:45:56,352
Stop it!
739
00:45:56,954 --> 00:45:57,654
Stop it!
740
00:45:58,222 --> 00:45:59,378
Stop it, stop it!
741
00:46:00,858 --> 00:46:01,558
Stop it!
742
00:46:04,126 --> 00:46:05,810
How many more have to die?
743
00:46:06,096 --> 00:46:07,865
How many more have to die?
744
00:46:08,164 --> 00:46:10,205
Saving lives is morally right!
745
00:46:10,934 --> 00:46:12,022
Those protesting
746
00:46:12,469 --> 00:46:15,604
believe that the protests
will result in some change of
747
00:46:17,673 --> 00:46:20,434
environment, some change
of attitudes, perhaps.
748
00:46:21,277 --> 00:46:25,254
The church will be teaching that
homosexual activity is sinful,
749
00:46:26,016 --> 00:46:27,359
until the end of time.
750
00:46:27,384 --> 00:46:28,608
That won't change.
751
00:46:34,690 --> 00:46:36,326
This is July 22nd, 1989.
752
00:46:37,527 --> 00:46:40,529
Now Sara, what do you think
about your dad being 44?
753
00:46:41,297 --> 00:46:41,997
Good.
754
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:45,310
Thank you, thank you
for your support.
755
00:46:45,335 --> 00:46:46,423
One, two, three.
756
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,020
Yay... We did it.
757
00:46:54,744 --> 00:46:55,721
A lot of smoke.
758
00:46:55,746 --> 00:46:56,446
Oh, boy.
759
00:46:56,612 --> 00:46:58,290
I wish those candles
would stop smoking.
760
00:46:58,315 --> 00:46:59,824
It's bad for their health.
761
00:46:59,849 --> 00:47:00,592
That's right.
762
00:47:00,617 --> 00:47:03,527
Okay, Robert Rafsky, do you have
any remarks before you jump off
763
00:47:03,552 --> 00:47:04,663
the edge of the porch?
764
00:47:04,688 --> 00:47:07,299
I have no interest in jumping
off the edge of the porch.
765
00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:08,299
I will jump up and down.
766
00:47:08,324 --> 00:47:10,034
I think 44 is a very fine age.
767
00:47:10,059 --> 00:47:13,499
It has a nice symmetry to it,
it has a nice feeling to it.
768
00:47:13,530 --> 00:47:16,830
It's, uh, better than 22 and
possibly better than 88.
769
00:47:16,967 --> 00:47:17,667
We'll see.
770
00:47:19,436 --> 00:47:21,045
Here's how we planned this.
771
00:47:21,070 --> 00:47:25,284
What we want to do is run this
like a treatment and data meeting.
772
00:47:25,809 --> 00:47:28,552
A number of times we've had
people come to a treatment and
773
00:47:28,577 --> 00:47:30,278
data meeting and speak on
774
00:47:31,148 --> 00:47:32,156
certain issues.
775
00:47:32,181 --> 00:47:35,219
We try to get in depth, we
try to nail issues down.
776
00:47:35,851 --> 00:47:37,596
This isn't a free-for-all.
777
00:47:37,621 --> 00:47:39,540
Let's call it a working
confrontation.
778
00:47:40,456 --> 00:47:42,021
So, why don't we start?
779
00:47:42,492 --> 00:47:44,261
This is Dr. Anthony Fauci.
780
00:47:45,161 --> 00:47:45,909
Bob Rafsky.
781
00:47:46,295 --> 00:47:50,138
I may be wrong, Dr. Fauci, but
it's my understanding that
782
00:47:51,233 --> 00:47:55,243
thousands of people died from
pneumonia because there was no
783
00:47:55,271 --> 00:47:58,150
priority within the government,
or within the medical system
784
00:47:58,175 --> 00:48:00,148
as a whole, to push the known
785
00:48:01,378 --> 00:48:03,292
preventative treatments
for a long time.
786
00:48:03,547 --> 00:48:06,394
Now those thousands
of people are dead.
787
00:48:06,682 --> 00:48:10,161
It would seem to me that someone
who was within the government
788
00:48:10,186 --> 00:48:14,022
while that took place, as you
were, must have on their
789
00:48:14,490 --> 00:48:16,123
conscience these deaths.
790
00:48:16,827 --> 00:48:18,732
That is a tough one, um...
791
00:48:19,563 --> 00:48:20,719
No, it really is.
792
00:48:20,864 --> 00:48:24,375
It's inexcusable that an
academic priority should ever,
793
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,645
ever come before the health of
the people that you're working
794
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:29,081
with, there's no
question about that.
795
00:48:29,106 --> 00:48:33,317
But the reality of the situation
is there was a great reluctance
796
00:48:35,612 --> 00:48:37,109
among the community of
797
00:48:38,715 --> 00:48:42,561
everything from the scientists
to the congress saying that what
798
00:48:43,085 --> 00:48:44,786
we should be doing is not
799
00:48:45,956 --> 00:48:49,933
telling investigators what to
do, but we should allow them to
800
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,871
do what they feel is
the most important.
801
00:48:52,896 --> 00:48:56,440
Now that sounds awful when
you're putting it in the context
802
00:48:56,465 --> 00:49:00,712
of what we're talking about here, but
the whole world isn't in this room.
803
00:49:00,737 --> 00:49:02,621
Every 12 minutes someone dies!
804
00:49:02,873 --> 00:49:04,914
Protests won me a Nobel prize!
805
00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:07,228
Every 12 minutes,
someone dies...
806
00:49:09,813 --> 00:49:13,916
AIDS activists stormed the government's
premiere disease research center.
807
00:49:14,083 --> 00:49:17,706
The national institutes of health is
where an AIDS cure might be found.
808
00:49:17,987 --> 00:49:20,965
It is where therapies are being
tested in clinical trials.
809
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:22,604
No more secret meetings!
810
00:49:23,059 --> 00:49:26,404
No more secret... Demonstrators
blocked access to buildings.
811
00:49:26,429 --> 00:49:30,487
Scientists and administrators reporting
to work stood around looking confused.
812
00:49:31,068 --> 00:49:35,212
Activists charged the bush administration
with foot-dragging on AIDS research.
813
00:49:35,438 --> 00:49:38,516
It's not the amount of federal
money allocated to it so much as
814
00:49:38,541 --> 00:49:40,485
how research priorities
are defined.
815
00:49:40,510 --> 00:49:43,649
We need new drugs to keep
people alive, but the NIH is
816
00:49:43,713 --> 00:49:46,157
only testing old drugs,
drugs that we already have.
817
00:49:46,182 --> 00:49:47,826
Can you tell us
what you're doing?
818
00:49:47,851 --> 00:49:50,982
Hi, I'm Jim Jenson and I'm
in a clinical trial here.
819
00:49:51,054 --> 00:49:55,542
And right now, I'm observing and
participating in the ACT UP demonstration.
820
00:49:55,592 --> 00:49:57,735
Why? Why do you
support this action?
821
00:49:57,760 --> 00:49:59,747
Because we need far
more AIDS research.
822
00:50:00,130 --> 00:50:01,272
And we're just beginning.
823
00:50:01,297 --> 00:50:02,706
What trial are you in?
824
00:50:02,731 --> 00:50:05,467
I'm in interleukin-2 A.Z.T.
Combination study.
825
00:50:06,202 --> 00:50:07,846
Are there any women
in your trial?
826
00:50:07,871 --> 00:50:09,271
No, there aren't
any women at all.
827
00:50:09,572 --> 00:50:10,660
People of color?
828
00:50:10,739 --> 00:50:12,150
Uh, no, there are not.
829
00:50:12,175 --> 00:50:13,553
Why do you think that is?
830
00:50:13,844 --> 00:50:16,398
Just the beginning
of the problem.
831
00:50:17,012 --> 00:50:17,680
Murder, murder!
832
00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:20,129
There are three major things
that control stupidity,
833
00:50:21,485 --> 00:50:23,050
incompetence and greed.
834
00:50:23,420 --> 00:50:25,764
Those are the three major
driving forces behind what's
835
00:50:25,789 --> 00:50:28,299
going on here and why there are
no treatments out there for
836
00:50:28,324 --> 00:50:30,501
people living with this disease.
837
00:50:30,726 --> 00:50:33,938
In that building down that way,
Dr. Anthony Fauci is deciding
838
00:50:33,963 --> 00:50:35,833
the research priorities
for the national
839
00:50:35,859 --> 00:50:37,976
institutes of allergy and
infectious diseases.
840
00:50:38,001 --> 00:50:40,244
We're down here 'cause we think
we should be deciding the
841
00:50:40,269 --> 00:50:42,447
research priorities, because
these are the people who know
842
00:50:42,472 --> 00:50:45,241
what's going on 'cause they're
dealing with it every day.
843
00:50:54,550 --> 00:50:56,201
The whole world is watching!
844
00:50:56,318 --> 00:50:58,223
The whole world is watching!
845
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,266
The whole world is watching!
846
00:51:01,291 --> 00:51:04,101
The whole world is watching...
The whole world is watching!
847
00:51:04,126 --> 00:51:06,031
The whole world is watching!
848
00:51:06,163 --> 00:51:08,068
The whole world is watching!
849
00:51:08,130 --> 00:51:10,171
The whole world is watching...
850
00:51:41,597 --> 00:51:43,570
If anything, the mood after
851
00:51:43,833 --> 00:51:46,944
the n.I.H. Was even bleaker than
the mood before, because we had
852
00:51:46,969 --> 00:51:50,248
no indication that they were
gonna change or respond to our
853
00:51:50,273 --> 00:51:53,618
demands, and we had in fact had
a meeting with them in Bethesda
854
00:51:53,643 --> 00:51:56,154
after the n.I.H. Action that
indicated that there was total
855
00:51:56,179 --> 00:51:58,924
resistance to putting people
from the community on the
856
00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:01,726
research committees, to letting
the ACT UP observers attend
857
00:52:01,751 --> 00:52:05,330
the meetings, and to open up the meetings
so that they weren't secret anymore.
858
00:52:05,355 --> 00:52:07,232
Why should science be
shrouded in secrecy?
859
00:52:07,257 --> 00:52:09,967
It's supposed to be based on
a free exchange of ideas.
860
00:52:09,992 --> 00:52:12,033
And, so, it was very important
861
00:52:12,295 --> 00:52:15,574
to stage in San Francisco
before, again, the global
862
00:52:15,599 --> 00:52:18,342
community of scientists and
people working on AIDS, why we
863
00:52:18,367 --> 00:52:22,246
had been at the n.I.H., why the U.S.
system wasn't working out,
864
00:52:22,271 --> 00:52:25,917
and to reach the people directly
that we had reached symbolically
865
00:52:25,942 --> 00:52:27,711
through the n.I.H. Action.
866
00:52:42,224 --> 00:52:44,252
About a hundred protesters
have already been arrested at
867
00:52:44,260 --> 00:52:47,781
the international AIDS conference
that began today in San Francisco.
868
00:52:47,931 --> 00:52:50,942
Hundreds more are angrily
protesting a government policy
869
00:52:50,967 --> 00:52:54,934
they say neglects research
and ostracizes victims.
870
00:52:55,338 --> 00:52:57,915
Why don't you do an
informational slide first?
871
00:52:57,940 --> 00:53:02,243
"United States has the most discriminatory
immigration policies regarding HIV."
872
00:53:02,445 --> 00:53:06,590
I could say, you know, as a way
to bridge the, uh, the rift
873
00:53:07,884 --> 00:53:10,362
between the scientific community...
all of you...
874
00:53:10,387 --> 00:53:13,489
and the activists, we'd like
you to join in some activism.
875
00:53:13,956 --> 00:53:16,668
...and I've always been
painfully aware that in order
876
00:53:16,693 --> 00:53:20,538
for me to beat this virus and
live, I will need a great
877
00:53:20,563 --> 00:53:22,536
deal of help from all of you.
878
00:53:24,233 --> 00:53:28,251
Can we all, before it's too late,
begin to understand each other?
879
00:53:29,539 --> 00:53:33,636
Will we realize that we
share similar motivations?
880
00:53:34,643 --> 00:53:37,822
During the upcoming days, act
up New York will be handing
881
00:53:37,847 --> 00:53:41,293
out our AIDS treatment agenda,
which includes a list of
882
00:53:41,318 --> 00:53:45,397
99 drugs that we believe could
be ready for small phase-one
883
00:53:45,422 --> 00:53:47,191
studies this year or next.
884
00:53:49,759 --> 00:53:54,608
However, from your side, we're
being constantly told to butt out.
885
00:53:56,032 --> 00:53:58,073
On my side, the level of anger
886
00:53:58,835 --> 00:54:02,712
and frustration is reaching such
a point that attitudes claiming
887
00:54:03,373 --> 00:54:08,325
that all of you are uncaring and in
it for greed are now widespread.
888
00:54:10,179 --> 00:54:13,450
While at times we may offend
you, remember as well that
889
00:54:14,184 --> 00:54:16,225
like you, ACT UP has succeeded
890
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,971
in prolonging the lives of thousands
of people living with HIV disease.
891
00:54:26,262 --> 00:54:31,052
I would like to be joined in front of
the stage by my fellow AIDS activists.
892
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:33,297
Would you all come up?
893
00:54:34,003 --> 00:54:36,180
At this moment, there are others
894
00:54:37,106 --> 00:54:41,018
just like us who are trying to
get into this conference but are
895
00:54:41,043 --> 00:54:44,277
being barred by the Billy clubs
of San Francisco police.
896
00:54:45,347 --> 00:54:48,058
And there are still others like
us who are trying to get through
897
00:54:48,083 --> 00:54:51,594
customs at the San Francisco
airport, but are being detained
898
00:54:51,621 --> 00:54:53,594
instead because they are gay.
899
00:54:54,423 --> 00:54:57,330
There's a man that could have
prevented these absurdities.
900
00:54:57,460 --> 00:55:01,664
This man has said that he would like
to see a kinder, gentler nation.
901
00:55:02,431 --> 00:55:04,708
If you believe that the
immigration policy barring
902
00:55:04,733 --> 00:55:07,612
people living with HIV disease
from entering this country is
903
00:55:07,637 --> 00:55:11,680
useless as a health policy and
discriminatory as well, please
904
00:55:11,740 --> 00:55:13,781
stand now and remain standing.
905
00:55:18,081 --> 00:55:21,172
Join us in vocalizing
our collective anger.
906
00:55:21,451 --> 00:55:25,681
Join us in a chant against the man who
could bring down the I.N.S. Barriers.
907
00:55:25,755 --> 00:55:29,467
Join us in a chant against the
man who has decided to show his
908
00:55:29,492 --> 00:55:33,067
commitment to fighting AIDS
by refusing to be here today.
909
00:55:33,329 --> 00:55:37,132
Instead, he is at this very
moment in north Carolina,
910
00:55:37,500 --> 00:55:41,311
attending a fundraiser for the
homophobic author of the I.N.S.
911
00:55:41,336 --> 00:55:44,838
Barriers, that pig in the
senate known as Jesse helms...
912
00:55:46,141 --> 00:55:47,638
Join us in this chant:
913
00:55:47,811 --> 00:55:50,934
300,000 dead from AIDS,
where is George?
914
00:55:51,713 --> 00:55:55,112
300,000 dead from AIDS,
where is George?
915
00:55:56,052 --> 00:55:59,441
300,000 dead from AIDS,
where is George?
916
00:56:00,123 --> 00:56:03,513
300,000 dead from AIDS,
where is George?
917
00:56:04,793 --> 00:56:08,001
You can all now consider
yourselves members of ACT UP.
918
00:56:16,672 --> 00:56:18,782
One of the things that
happened in San Francisco was
919
00:56:18,807 --> 00:56:22,112
that we found out we had won
some of our n.I.H. Demands.
920
00:56:22,811 --> 00:56:25,556
Fauci came up to me and said,
"we had a meeting, we decided
921
00:56:25,581 --> 00:56:27,759
that we're gonna put you guys on
all the committees, and we're
922
00:56:27,784 --> 00:56:29,594
gonna let your observers go to
the meetings, and the meetings
923
00:56:29,619 --> 00:56:31,061
won't be secret anymore."
924
00:56:31,086 --> 00:56:37,228
Never again... could any of
this be done without taking
925
00:56:38,728 --> 00:56:41,902
people with AIDS and their
advocates into consideration.
926
00:56:42,498 --> 00:56:47,484
This would be public
business from now on.
927
00:56:47,904 --> 00:56:50,775
You know, we should all be
going through the bushes
928
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:52,655
like this, like sticking
our heads up...
929
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:56,119
...it was beginning to feel a
little different because we'd
930
00:56:56,144 --> 00:56:58,755
spent all the time up until then
being on the outside, sort of
931
00:56:58,780 --> 00:57:01,659
beating on the doors and trying
to get in, and now they actually
932
00:57:01,684 --> 00:57:03,351
wanted to hear what
we had to say.
933
00:57:20,302 --> 00:57:22,343
We brought them in at Merck.
934
00:57:22,704 --> 00:57:25,949
We made... we made a very, uh,
specific effort to bring those
935
00:57:25,974 --> 00:57:29,048
individuals in so that they
would see what it is that we
936
00:57:29,077 --> 00:57:31,197
were doing... or trying to
do from the very beginning.
937
00:57:31,213 --> 00:57:34,592
This was really fantastic
stuff because we were sitting
938
00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:36,726
down with them, and... sometimes
939
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,797
from the very earliest stages
of development of a drug...
940
00:57:40,822 --> 00:57:45,515
and helping them plot out their strategy
toward, uh, designing clinical trials.
941
00:57:45,827 --> 00:57:48,306
The chemists who had worked
on the project, a bunch...
942
00:57:48,331 --> 00:57:51,676
uh, couple chemists said,
"let's look at all the aspartic
943
00:57:51,701 --> 00:57:54,145
protease inhibitors that
we have on the shelf."
944
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:58,461
And they tested 'em and they found a
few molecules that actually worked.
945
00:57:58,507 --> 00:58:01,488
The challenge was is now you had
these molecules that were really
946
00:58:01,510 --> 00:58:06,186
good inhibitors in your assay,
which is just in a test tube.
947
00:58:06,282 --> 00:58:08,826
When you put it into animals
they just would never work
948
00:58:08,851 --> 00:58:10,972
or they would never get
absorbed by your system.
949
00:58:11,219 --> 00:58:13,364
And I remember being very
disappointed 'cause I had to
950
00:58:13,389 --> 00:58:15,933
share this information with
sort of my own personal view,
951
00:58:15,958 --> 00:58:18,603
this is gonna be a lot
more difficult than,
952
00:58:18,628 --> 00:58:20,182
you know, we thought
it was gonna be
953
00:58:20,208 --> 00:58:22,072
originally, and in fact
may not be possible.
954
00:58:22,097 --> 00:58:26,216
And Bill Bahlman said, "take a break,
pick yourself up and go back at it."
955
00:58:26,568 --> 00:58:29,647
If he and his colleagues and his
friends around the table can
956
00:58:29,672 --> 00:58:32,717
take that attitude and do that,
I remember saying to myself,
957
00:58:32,742 --> 00:58:35,752
"Emilio, you've got no right to
say to yourself, 'I don't know
958
00:58:35,777 --> 00:58:37,818
if I can do this, ' all right?"
959
00:58:37,847 --> 00:58:39,412
And... so, off we went.
960
00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:42,183
And we kept going at it.
961
00:58:42,818 --> 00:58:45,986
We're spending $4 billion
a year on AIDS research.
962
00:58:46,322 --> 00:58:48,967
When you consider that on a
per-capita basis for... compared
963
00:58:48,992 --> 00:58:52,270
to heart disease or cancer,
it's an awful lot.
964
00:58:52,295 --> 00:58:55,507
Almost nothing stops George
Bush from a round of golf.
965
00:58:55,797 --> 00:58:58,543
He's played nearly every day...
and sometimes twice a day...
966
00:58:58,568 --> 00:59:00,405
during his August vacation.
967
00:59:03,539 --> 00:59:06,531
♪ I'll be glad when you're
dead, you rascal, you ♪
968
00:59:06,643 --> 00:59:07,663
♪ rascal, you ♪
969
00:59:07,777 --> 00:59:08,719
♪ I'll be laughin'
970
00:59:08,744 --> 00:59:10,691
when you're in your
grave, you dog ♪
971
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:11,764
♪ dirty dog ♪
972
00:59:12,181 --> 00:59:13,891
♪ when you're dead
and in your grave ♪
973
00:59:13,916 --> 00:59:15,993
♪ no more ravioli
will you crave... ♪
974
00:59:16,018 --> 00:59:18,630
If the message is research,
I would say please
975
00:59:18,655 --> 00:59:22,065
talk to Dr. Fauci and others at
the national institute of health
976
00:59:22,090 --> 00:59:26,554
who would tell you that, uh, we're doing
pretty well in funding of research.
977
00:59:27,329 --> 00:59:28,417
♪...dirty dog ♪
978
00:59:28,498 --> 00:59:30,842
♪ I invite you to my
house for a meal ♪
979
00:59:30,867 --> 00:59:33,161
♪ all my meatballs
you tried to steal ♪
980
00:59:33,436 --> 00:59:35,477
♪ mm... you're a devil, yeah ♪
981
00:59:51,688 --> 00:59:55,997
We've got to factor in the
sensitivity of those of us
982
00:59:59,529 --> 01:00:03,503
who feel that there's a
spiritual and moral aspect to
983
01:00:05,333 --> 01:00:09,790
this playing to the
homosexual, lesbian crowd.
984
01:00:10,972 --> 01:00:13,359
It makes it different
from anything else.
985
01:00:14,777 --> 01:00:15,477
Oh, shh-.
986
01:00:15,577 --> 01:00:18,349
I wish they'd shut their
mouths and go to work
987
01:00:18,481 --> 01:00:21,592
and keep their private matters
to themselves and get their
988
01:00:21,617 --> 01:00:23,728
mentality out of their crotches.
989
01:00:23,753 --> 01:00:25,295
I'm here today because
Jesse helms is the devil.
990
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:28,965
Jesse helms has worked for years
to do as much as he possibly can
991
01:00:28,990 --> 01:00:30,944
to ensure the continuance
of the AIDS epidemic.
992
01:00:31,126 --> 01:00:35,005
The disease is spreading because of him,
and people are dying because of him.
993
01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:38,308
This is an educational effort, it's not a
violation of people's property rights.
994
01:00:38,333 --> 01:00:41,244
We've been very careful that
absolutely no damage is done,
995
01:00:41,269 --> 01:00:44,792
and if any damage is done, whatever
it is, we'll be happy to pay for it.
996
01:00:45,007 --> 01:00:47,593
We have the money with
us to pay for it.
997
01:00:48,710 --> 01:00:50,554
You guys don't want to tangle
with these people 'cause
998
01:00:50,579 --> 01:00:53,214
you don't want to get AIDS,
I know, but what's next?
999
01:00:53,382 --> 01:00:54,538
Come on, get out.
1000
01:00:55,117 --> 01:00:57,993
If they would keep their
mouths shut and go about
1001
01:00:58,019 --> 01:01:01,127
their business with whatever
their sexual orientation is,
1002
01:01:01,456 --> 01:01:04,137
nobody would ever say a word and we
wouldn't know anything about it.
1003
01:01:04,193 --> 01:01:07,166
But, no, they march in the
streets, and they defy you to
1004
01:01:08,030 --> 01:01:09,527
say anything about it.
1005
01:01:09,664 --> 01:01:11,808
Well, they don't like me
and I don't like them.
1006
01:01:11,833 --> 01:01:12,976
Back off the property.
1007
01:01:13,001 --> 01:01:15,672
Bunch of 'em climbed up
on my house in Arlington
1008
01:01:16,038 --> 01:01:17,875
and hoisted about a 35-foot
1009
01:01:18,474 --> 01:01:22,595
canvas, uh, condom one
day in protest of me.
1010
01:01:24,847 --> 01:01:27,555
Fight AIDS! Fight AIDS,
fight AIDS, fight!
1011
01:01:28,483 --> 01:01:31,743
♪ I'll be glad when you're
dead, you rascal, you. ♪
1012
01:01:35,123 --> 01:01:37,301
Sir, when we started this
colloquy, I thought I was
1013
01:01:37,326 --> 01:01:40,054
on your side, particularly
on the first amendment.
1014
01:01:41,063 --> 01:01:42,973
And under the first amendment,
people don't have to shut their
1015
01:01:42,998 --> 01:01:44,544
mouths, they have
a right to speak.
1016
01:01:45,867 --> 01:01:47,840
Well, uh... they can speak,
1017
01:01:49,371 --> 01:01:51,004
uh, just so long as, uh,
1018
01:01:51,773 --> 01:01:54,194
they don't offend anybody
else, uh, I suppose.
1019
01:02:00,715 --> 01:02:03,970
Make sure your second
coming is a safe one.
1020
01:02:07,556 --> 01:02:08,372
Use condoms.
1021
01:02:09,958 --> 01:02:11,927
- ...are you shooting?
- Yeah.
1022
01:02:12,628 --> 01:02:13,989
I just turned it on.
1023
01:02:16,699 --> 01:02:17,651
Okay, rolling.
1024
01:02:23,438 --> 01:02:24,447
Tell him we're rolling.
1025
01:02:24,472 --> 01:02:25,683
The machine is rolling.
1026
01:02:25,708 --> 01:02:27,376
You can start
talking now, honey.
1027
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:30,144
Oh, I didn't know
she meant now.
1028
01:02:31,547 --> 01:02:35,559
What I was gonna say was I just
love, I love so much to go up to
1029
01:02:36,219 --> 01:02:42,161
the 10th floor because no one
ever had explained to me that
1030
01:02:44,226 --> 01:02:47,837
there was going to be light
again in the world and that the
1031
01:02:48,597 --> 01:02:50,699
whole world wasn't
going to be dark.
1032
01:02:52,969 --> 01:02:57,426
Some great challenges
face us as young people.
1033
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,209
We're in our 20s, and, and
1034
01:03:01,610 --> 01:03:04,849
this is the challenge that's
been placed in front of me.
1035
01:03:06,081 --> 01:03:08,122
And, who knows, little camera.
1036
01:03:08,851 --> 01:03:13,219
Lots of other blind, deaf
men have lived happy lives.
1037
01:03:15,690 --> 01:03:19,989
There are, there are many
years to come, let's hope.
1038
01:03:23,599 --> 01:03:24,399
So...
1039
01:03:28,003 --> 01:03:29,055
What the hell?
1040
01:03:29,572 --> 01:03:31,519
Life is worth living...
Isn't it?
1041
01:03:43,719 --> 01:03:45,917
The death rate just
kept on climbing.
1042
01:03:48,757 --> 01:03:51,863
We realized that science really
was up against a brick wall.
1043
01:03:52,929 --> 01:03:55,172
We kept getting new drugs
approved to prevent
1044
01:03:55,197 --> 01:03:58,856
opportunistic infections, and then
somebody would just get another infection.
1045
01:04:32,168 --> 01:04:35,313
So, Peter, where are we going?
1046
01:04:35,338 --> 01:04:40,421
We're gonna be going to the headquarters of
daiichi pharmaceutical companies of Japan.
1047
01:04:41,443 --> 01:04:45,623
This is their U.S. headquarters,
and, uh, we're blockading their
1048
01:04:45,648 --> 01:04:47,825
offices because they have a drug
1049
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:52,295
that's important both to AIDS
activists and cancer activists,
1050
01:04:53,188 --> 01:04:58,999
specifically, uh, breast cancer,
um, that they've been dragging
1051
01:04:59,695 --> 01:05:03,161
their feet on for over two
years now, and, uh, we don't
1052
01:05:03,599 --> 01:05:05,776
understand why, but we certainly
1053
01:05:06,735 --> 01:05:09,911
are gonna try to let them
understand why we're concerned.
1054
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,351
...and, everybody...wait for
you at the end of the hall.
1055
01:05:13,376 --> 01:05:14,723
Just wait outside
the elevators.
1056
01:05:15,878 --> 01:05:16,578
Shh...
1057
01:05:18,313 --> 01:05:19,013
Hey.
1058
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:20,757
Hi, we're with ACT UP.
1059
01:05:20,782 --> 01:05:24,052
We're doing an act of civil
disobedience, please remain calm.
1060
01:05:25,887 --> 01:05:27,656
Jim, it's Peter, we're in.
1061
01:05:27,956 --> 01:05:29,249
Send all the press.
1062
01:05:30,192 --> 01:05:32,348
Hello, we're from
ACT UP New York.
1063
01:05:41,436 --> 01:05:43,913
You already have the blood of
several thousand people on your
1064
01:05:43,938 --> 01:05:47,614
hands, and those of us like me
who have Kaposi's sarcoma are
1065
01:05:47,643 --> 01:05:50,755
gonna die, and we are here
until we get arrested.
1066
01:05:50,780 --> 01:05:53,590
You seem to know nothing about
the actual details of the
1067
01:05:53,615 --> 01:05:54,725
development of this drug.
1068
01:05:54,750 --> 01:05:56,451
Maybe you're just
not telling us.
1069
01:05:56,619 --> 01:05:59,320
Mr. Borsic, have you scheduled
a meeting with the F.D.A.?
1070
01:05:59,655 --> 01:06:00,630
Yeah, as soon as we can.
1071
01:06:00,655 --> 01:06:03,067
We have helped many companies
through this process.
1072
01:06:03,092 --> 01:06:06,536
We can take a drug from your
test tube to the market
1073
01:06:06,561 --> 01:06:09,906
in under two years if you work
with us, and we will pave the
1074
01:06:09,931 --> 01:06:12,728
way for you with the food
and drug administration.
1075
01:06:13,001 --> 01:06:16,482
But, but this total reluctance on
your part is gonna get you nowhere.
1076
01:06:16,639 --> 01:06:18,616
...have been used in
people for 30 years.
1077
01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:20,116
It'll end up killing
us, all right?
1078
01:06:20,141 --> 01:06:22,222
See this dark mark
on my forehead?
1079
01:06:22,478 --> 01:06:24,111
That's Kaposi's sarcoma.
1080
01:06:24,980 --> 01:06:26,204
It's gonna spread!
1081
01:06:26,347 --> 01:06:27,640
It's gonna kill me.
1082
01:06:27,817 --> 01:06:29,159
You coming to my funeral?
1083
01:06:29,184 --> 01:06:31,535
Because you're the man
fucking responsible.
1084
01:06:31,719 --> 01:06:34,573
You are my murderer in
your shirt and tie.
1085
01:06:39,661 --> 01:06:42,732
Do you think that you'll
live to see a cure?
1086
01:06:42,898 --> 01:06:43,598
No.
1087
01:06:43,998 --> 01:06:44,698
I don't.
1088
01:06:45,534 --> 01:06:47,183
Do you think that you'll live?
1089
01:06:49,304 --> 01:06:50,004
No.
1090
01:06:51,373 --> 01:06:52,073
No.
1091
01:06:52,273 --> 01:06:54,314
You expect to die from this?
1092
01:07:09,958 --> 01:07:13,904
The anger just mounted and mounted and
mounted the more people who were dying.
1093
01:07:13,929 --> 01:07:15,358
Once a week we met...
1094
01:07:17,132 --> 01:07:19,710
And at that meeting a lot of
people came who were just
1095
01:07:19,735 --> 01:07:22,903
terrified they weren't gonna
be alive even the next week.
1096
01:07:23,572 --> 01:07:25,419
What can we do, how
can we get there?
1097
01:07:26,074 --> 01:07:31,840
I think ACT UP's anger turned in after
having been directed out so long.
1098
01:07:33,315 --> 01:07:34,880
In its first few years,
1099
01:07:35,818 --> 01:07:39,291
treatment and data pretty much
got everything it wanted from
1100
01:07:39,521 --> 01:07:41,358
the floor of ACT UP, but as
1101
01:07:42,625 --> 01:07:46,593
treatment and data was becoming
more and more technical,
1102
01:07:46,996 --> 01:07:50,640
there were a lot of people in the
general membership of ACT UP
1103
01:07:51,300 --> 01:07:56,412
that saw that as an elite, and
that maybe it would be better if
1104
01:07:57,773 --> 01:07:59,882
that elite was pulled in a bit.
1105
01:08:00,442 --> 01:08:04,818
There was a fear, I think,
that we were getting too close
1106
01:08:05,347 --> 01:08:09,666
to the people in power, that we would
compromise our own principles.
1107
01:08:09,985 --> 01:08:14,263
And the people who were more
interested in the social issues
1108
01:08:14,590 --> 01:08:16,333
became uncomfortable with that.
1109
01:08:16,358 --> 01:08:19,230
I remember this very divisive
moment where, um, you know,
1110
01:08:19,627 --> 01:08:22,272
there was a proposal for
moratorium on meeting with
1111
01:08:22,297 --> 01:08:24,270
drug companies, and someone...
1112
01:08:25,501 --> 01:08:28,579
for six months... and there was
a huge and impassioned debate
1113
01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:32,715
over it, and someone said... a
woman who was not HIV-positive
1114
01:08:33,074 --> 01:08:35,652
said, "well, it's not like it's
for the rest of your life."
1115
01:08:35,677 --> 01:08:37,718
And for a lot of people in the
1116
01:08:38,413 --> 01:08:40,295
room, it was the
rest of their life.
1117
01:08:40,682 --> 01:08:41,382
ACT UP!
1118
01:08:41,550 --> 01:08:42,298
Fight back!
1119
01:08:42,484 --> 01:08:43,232
Fight AIDS!
1120
01:08:43,351 --> 01:08:46,196
There were inevitable
splits in priorities.
1121
01:08:47,555 --> 01:08:48,955
And you know quite well...
I know.
1122
01:08:49,057 --> 01:08:51,482
And it was completely
left out of the n.I.H.
1123
01:08:51,527 --> 01:08:52,615
Research agenda.
1124
01:08:52,994 --> 01:08:53,694
I agree.
1125
01:08:53,729 --> 01:08:54,529
I, I...
1126
01:08:55,197 --> 01:08:59,638
I remember a lot of dirty tricks that
happened, and a lot of fear within the
1127
01:09:00,935 --> 01:09:05,053
organization that the various
factions had done this to each other.
1128
01:09:05,173 --> 01:09:09,631
Mark Harrington, Mark Harrington,
there's a video camera here now.
1129
01:09:10,445 --> 01:09:13,423
Would you like to take an oath
that you will not write nasty
1130
01:09:13,448 --> 01:09:15,353
anonymous letters to people?
1131
01:09:15,451 --> 01:09:17,660
I've been getting some hate
letters too, but those are
1132
01:09:17,685 --> 01:09:20,597
unsigned. I don't ever, I don't ever...
so you'll keep on
1133
01:09:20,622 --> 01:09:22,365
writing nasty letters to people?
1134
01:09:22,390 --> 01:09:27,524
There were a lot of charges in the midst
of that, of sabotage and threats.
1135
01:09:27,829 --> 01:09:30,681
Our last speaker is,
is Larry Kramer.
1136
01:09:32,067 --> 01:09:33,716
Why didn't you
answer the charges?
1137
01:09:34,168 --> 01:09:36,413
Bill, you're gonna
have a chance to talk,
1138
01:09:36,438 --> 01:09:38,414
all right, everybody's...
don't lecture me,
1139
01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:41,154
you stupid, lazy,
incompetent shithead!
1140
01:09:41,210 --> 01:09:43,259
Bill, everybody got the flyer...
1141
01:09:45,381 --> 01:09:47,523
...you can't just lick
his ass before he talks!
1142
01:09:47,548 --> 01:09:50,004
Shut the fuck up and
let him answer!
1143
01:09:50,485 --> 01:09:52,762
Look, there are a lot of people
in the audience who want
1144
01:09:52,787 --> 01:09:55,932
to ask and talk about treatment,
and I think it's important that
1145
01:09:55,957 --> 01:09:57,590
we allow that to happen.
1146
01:09:58,027 --> 01:09:59,770
Oh, we're gonna dictate
free speech now?
1147
01:09:59,795 --> 01:10:02,444
You're the one who's interfering
with speech right now.
1148
01:10:02,730 --> 01:10:04,023
Go back to G.M.H.C.
1149
01:10:04,065 --> 01:10:06,485
Or whatever AIDS pimp
operation is paying you.
1150
01:10:06,601 --> 01:10:09,115
You're making the same point
George Bush made... - plague!
1151
01:10:10,104 --> 01:10:12,293
We are in the middle
of a fucking plague!
1152
01:10:12,841 --> 01:10:14,542
And you behave like this!
1153
01:10:22,251 --> 01:10:22,951
Plague!
1154
01:10:24,886 --> 01:10:26,995
40 million infected people is a
1155
01:10:28,222 --> 01:10:29,242
fucking plague!
1156
01:10:35,096 --> 01:10:39,673
We are in the worst shape we
have ever, ever, ever been in!
1157
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:45,376
All those pills we're shoveling
down our throats, forget it!
1158
01:10:47,208 --> 01:10:50,587
ACT UP has been taken over by a
lunatic fringe, they can't get
1159
01:10:50,612 --> 01:10:54,290
together, nobody agrees with
anything, all we can do is field
1160
01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:56,336
a couple hundred people
in a demonstration!
1161
01:10:56,918 --> 01:10:59,239
That's not gonna make
anybody pay attention!
1162
01:11:01,657 --> 01:11:03,958
Not until we get
millions out there!
1163
01:11:05,293 --> 01:11:06,722
And we can't do that!
1164
01:11:06,962 --> 01:11:10,461
All we do is pick at each
other and yell at each other!
1165
01:11:11,065 --> 01:11:12,902
And I say to you in year 10
1166
01:11:14,235 --> 01:11:18,712
the same thing I said to you in
1981 when there were 41 cases.
1167
01:11:22,543 --> 01:11:26,617
Until we get our acts together,
all of us, we are as good as
1168
01:11:30,351 --> 01:11:31,051
dead.
1169
01:11:34,523 --> 01:11:38,733
In the end, the treatment and data guys...
Peter, Garance, Mark, and some
1170
01:11:39,127 --> 01:11:43,740
others... split off and formed
their own separate organization.
1171
01:11:44,099 --> 01:11:48,270
Tag was one of the little Mercury balls
that flew off the main body of ACT UP.
1172
01:11:49,037 --> 01:11:52,765
A more sort of "think tank"
type project came about.
1173
01:11:54,676 --> 01:11:57,588
Mr. Harrington, a tag
member, educated at Harvard
1174
01:11:57,613 --> 01:12:01,751
college, and he has worked for
a long time on experimental
1175
01:12:02,551 --> 01:12:05,556
treatments for the disease, and
and also the basic science.
1176
01:12:05,587 --> 01:12:07,560
And Mr. Gonsalves was born in
1177
01:12:08,890 --> 01:12:13,108
long island and attended tufts
university, also a tag member.
1178
01:12:13,228 --> 01:12:16,929
Um, I guess I can do nothing
better than to turn this
1179
01:12:17,832 --> 01:12:19,910
conference over to my speakers.
1180
01:12:19,935 --> 01:12:23,043
I noticed that you're both
sitting up there in suits
1181
01:12:23,838 --> 01:12:28,852
and ties. Do you feel that your
approach is better than circling
1182
01:12:30,511 --> 01:12:32,552
n.I.H. Buildings and so forth?
1183
01:12:34,149 --> 01:12:37,794
I think that we like to keep our
options open, but it's silly
1184
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:39,961
to risk arrest and the hassles
1185
01:12:40,588 --> 01:12:43,796
that are intendant upon it if
you can get serious attention
1186
01:12:43,958 --> 01:12:46,112
and negotiations going
with other measures.
1187
01:12:47,628 --> 01:12:51,551
We just released a report, a critique
of all the n.I.H.'S AIDS programs.
1188
01:12:51,667 --> 01:12:54,143
The research is spread out
over 12 agencies, there's no
1189
01:12:54,168 --> 01:12:56,252
coordination, there's
a lot of duplication.
1190
01:12:56,771 --> 01:12:58,268
There's no leadership.
1191
01:12:58,474 --> 01:13:00,750
The budget is shrinking and
shrinking as cases mount,
1192
01:13:00,775 --> 01:13:03,853
and the president needs to be
blamed, as well as the congress
1193
01:13:03,878 --> 01:13:07,723
who cut the entire n.I.H. Budget
by $150 million two weeks ago.
1194
01:13:07,748 --> 01:13:10,060
Our recommendations, I think,
are gonna require some
1195
01:13:10,085 --> 01:13:12,126
legislation, um, so we have to
1196
01:13:12,753 --> 01:13:16,739
go to our friends on the hill and see
what wonders they can work for us.
1197
01:13:27,869 --> 01:13:31,214
We had this one particular
compound that looked like it may
1198
01:13:31,239 --> 01:13:33,144
have had the potency and the
1199
01:13:33,475 --> 01:13:37,230
physical properties that we wanted,
and it could be a possible drug.
1200
01:13:37,412 --> 01:13:39,923
We said, you know, let's put
in HIV-infected individuals
1201
01:13:39,948 --> 01:13:41,525
and let's see what happens.
1202
01:13:41,550 --> 01:13:44,628
So, we went into HIV-infected
individuals with this drug
1203
01:13:44,653 --> 01:13:48,130
called crixivan, and you could
see a very substantial drop just
1204
01:13:48,155 --> 01:13:51,585
with the one protease inhibitor, you could
see a very substantial drop in virus load.
1205
01:13:51,827 --> 01:13:53,136
So that was the first week.
1206
01:13:53,161 --> 01:13:55,204
The second week was very
disappointing, because what we
1207
01:13:55,229 --> 01:14:00,194
saw in the second week was in fact, the
virus load coming right back up again.
1208
01:14:00,402 --> 01:14:01,354
One exception.
1209
01:14:01,703 --> 01:14:05,476
There was one patient that,
um, patient 143, I believe,
1210
01:14:05,940 --> 01:14:07,777
was his name... his number...
1211
01:14:08,176 --> 01:14:11,088
that the virus went
down and stayed down.
1212
01:14:11,113 --> 01:14:12,725
That told us that
it was possible.
1213
01:14:13,782 --> 01:14:17,160
If it can happen in one, then
by definition it can happen
1214
01:14:17,185 --> 01:14:20,230
in everyone, you just need
to figure out how to do it.
1215
01:14:20,255 --> 01:14:22,375
That puts you in a completely
different place and in a
1216
01:14:22,390 --> 01:14:24,167
completely different
state of mind.
1217
01:14:24,192 --> 01:14:27,137
So then the question became,
Okay, now what do we need to do
1218
01:14:27,162 --> 01:14:29,135
in order to make it possible?
1219
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:36,095
This is the beginning of the primary
season to elect the next president.
1220
01:14:36,371 --> 01:14:40,081
We want to send a message to all
of the candidates... we have not
1221
01:14:40,242 --> 01:14:44,820
seen them actively address the
AIDS plague, and we thought
1222
01:14:45,113 --> 01:14:49,344
it would be best to send a message by
voting with our feet in the streets.
1223
01:14:49,751 --> 01:14:53,314
I want to call for a massive
march on Washington.
1224
01:14:54,590 --> 01:14:57,844
The weekend the AIDS
quilt is gonna be there.
1225
01:14:58,126 --> 01:15:01,527
We have got to surround the
white house with people
1226
01:15:01,963 --> 01:15:03,868
concerned about AIDS to push
1227
01:15:04,765 --> 01:15:06,670
bush out of the white house!
1228
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:15,244
Last night a man with
AIDS heckled Clinton,
1229
01:15:15,344 --> 01:15:19,024
charging that he had a bad record
on fighting AIDS in Arkansas.
1230
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:23,435
When voter Bob Rafsky met Bill
Clinton, it was anything but pleasant.
1231
01:15:23,618 --> 01:15:27,335
We're dying in this state, what
are you going to do about AIDS?
1232
01:15:28,724 --> 01:15:33,645
First of all, it will become a
part of my obsession as president.
1233
01:15:35,796 --> 01:15:38,477
And that's why I'm running for
president, to do something about it.
1234
01:15:39,501 --> 01:15:41,270
Will you just calm down?
1235
01:15:43,171 --> 01:15:44,327
I feel your pain!
1236
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,517
I feel your pain, but if you
want to attack me personally,
1237
01:15:48,542 --> 01:15:50,786
you're no better than Jerry
brown and all the rest of these
1238
01:15:50,811 --> 01:15:52,888
people who say whatever
sounds good in the moment.
1239
01:15:52,913 --> 01:15:56,159
If you want something to be done,
you ask me a question, you listen.
1240
01:15:56,184 --> 01:15:58,527
If you don't agree with me,
go support somebody else for
1241
01:15:58,552 --> 01:16:00,731
president, but quit
talking to me like that.
1242
01:16:00,756 --> 01:16:03,839
This is not a matter of personal
attack, it's a matter of human loss.
1243
01:16:06,427 --> 01:16:09,357
I came here tonight because
I'm dying from AIDS.
1244
01:16:09,898 --> 01:16:12,808
And it doesn't matter to me who
the next president is if they
1245
01:16:12,833 --> 01:16:16,483
don't change 11 years of government
neglect of this epidemic.
1246
01:16:17,171 --> 01:16:17,837
Is this on?
1247
01:16:17,838 --> 01:16:18,790
This isn't on.
1248
01:16:19,240 --> 01:16:20,873
Um, Okay, first off, um,
1249
01:16:23,045 --> 01:16:28,962
what happened this week was AIDS
became an issue in this campaign.
1250
01:16:36,123 --> 01:16:37,705
I'd like to call
down Bob Rafsky.
1251
01:16:59,780 --> 01:17:00,480
ACT UP!
1252
01:17:00,849 --> 01:17:01,597
Fight back!
1253
01:17:01,949 --> 01:17:02,697
Fight AIDS!
1254
01:17:03,484 --> 01:17:04,184
ACT UP!
1255
01:17:04,485 --> 01:17:05,233
Fight back!
1256
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:06,468
Fight AIDS!
1257
01:17:10,658 --> 01:17:14,626
Uh, never debate a Rhodes scholar...
it gets you into a world of trouble.
1258
01:17:15,930 --> 01:17:19,776
It looks like what we have to do
is to keep forcing these clowns
1259
01:17:19,801 --> 01:17:22,411
to say the right thing so that
if one of them happens to become
1260
01:17:22,436 --> 01:17:25,882
president, we can hold them accountable
for doing the right thing.
1261
01:17:25,907 --> 01:17:26,607
Yeah.
1262
01:17:27,007 --> 01:17:29,852
But I just... it's always
important to say that we all
1263
01:17:29,877 --> 01:17:33,490
know that the names of the
people who might save our lives
1264
01:17:33,515 --> 01:17:36,171
are not Bill Clinton
and Jerry brown, etc.
1265
01:17:36,384 --> 01:17:38,962
The names of the people who
might save our lives are
1266
01:17:38,987 --> 01:17:41,745
iris long, Mark Harrington,
Peter Staley, etc.
1267
01:17:42,256 --> 01:17:43,566
And they're the ones who will be
1268
01:17:43,591 --> 01:17:48,385
remembered as the heroes of this epidemic,
as well as those who have gone before.
1269
01:17:52,399 --> 01:17:53,935
♪...and he smells
like one, too. ♪
1270
01:17:54,168 --> 01:17:56,500
Well, I haven't showered,
so I'm not surprised...
1271
01:17:57,305 --> 01:18:01,980
No, I've just been writing and
I was up at 5 A.M. yesterday.
1272
01:18:02,042 --> 01:18:05,146
This is Bob's birthday,
July 22nd, 1992.
1273
01:18:08,449 --> 01:18:10,217
- Ready for the pyrotechnics?
- Yes!
1274
01:18:10,452 --> 01:18:11,495
Nathaniel, help.
1275
01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:12,620
No!
1276
01:18:13,587 --> 01:18:14,487
Yay!
1277
01:18:16,158 --> 01:18:17,110
Lydia E. Rios.
1278
01:18:19,627 --> 01:18:20,571
Steve H.
1279
01:18:23,230 --> 01:18:24,795
My friends David Evans,
1280
01:18:27,301 --> 01:18:29,478
Nicolas kaiser, George Marshall,
1281
01:18:32,807 --> 01:18:34,984
and my beloved brother Dennis J.
1282
01:18:36,545 --> 01:18:37,701
Robert R. Hakins.
1283
01:18:40,548 --> 01:18:42,181
Phillip Gregory Ellison.
1284
01:18:44,319 --> 01:18:45,335
Terry Ronan.
1285
01:18:47,322 --> 01:18:48,410
Michael Bennett.
1286
01:18:50,024 --> 01:18:51,104
Ron Field.
1287
01:18:52,327 --> 01:18:53,407
Tina Chow.
1288
01:18:54,762 --> 01:18:55,778
Perry Ellis.
1289
01:18:57,032 --> 01:18:58,120
Freddie Mercury.
1290
01:18:59,266 --> 01:19:00,282
Peter Allen.
1291
01:19:01,970 --> 01:19:07,586
To the thousands of other people who
were made to suffer in silence.
1292
01:19:14,481 --> 01:19:17,374
Join ACT UP for a
political funeral!
1293
01:19:18,185 --> 01:19:20,600
Meet at the South of
the capitol at 1 P.M.
1294
01:19:21,622 --> 01:19:25,472
Give a wake-up call to George
Bush and Bill Clinton and Perot.
1295
01:19:32,967 --> 01:19:36,871
I think the quilt itself does
good stuff and is moving.
1296
01:19:37,439 --> 01:19:41,549
Still, it's like making something beautiful
out of the epidemic, and I felt like doing
1297
01:19:42,944 --> 01:19:45,487
something like this is a way of showing
there's nothing beautiful about it.
1298
01:19:45,512 --> 01:19:47,656
You know, this is what I'm left with...
I've got a box full
1299
01:19:47,681 --> 01:19:48,991
of ashes and bone chips.
1300
01:19:49,016 --> 01:19:50,761
You know, there's
no beauty in that.
1301
01:19:51,418 --> 01:19:54,625
And I felt like a statement like
this is like saying "this is
1302
01:19:54,756 --> 01:19:56,802
what George Bush has
done," you know?
1303
01:19:56,858 --> 01:19:59,201
This is what him and Ronald
Reagan before him have done.
1304
01:19:59,226 --> 01:20:01,036
These are our loved ones and
this is what they've been
1305
01:20:01,061 --> 01:20:04,803
reduced to, and we're bringing them to the
person who's responsible for their death.
1306
01:20:21,882 --> 01:20:22,630
Fight back!
1307
01:20:23,018 --> 01:20:23,766
Fight AIDS!
1308
01:20:24,019 --> 01:20:26,128
ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS!
1309
01:20:26,954 --> 01:20:29,063
ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS!
1310
01:20:30,024 --> 01:20:32,133
ACT UP, fight back, fight AIDS!
1311
01:20:33,094 --> 01:20:33,794
ACT UP!
1312
01:20:34,128 --> 01:20:34,876
Fight back!
1313
01:20:34,930 --> 01:20:35,678
Fight AIDS!
1314
01:20:40,601 --> 01:20:42,512
Bringing the dead to your door!
1315
01:20:42,537 --> 01:20:44,238
We won't take it anymore!
1316
01:20:44,538 --> 01:20:46,516
Bringing the dead to your door!
1317
01:20:46,541 --> 01:20:48,242
We won't take it anymore!
1318
01:20:48,510 --> 01:20:50,520
Bringing the dead to your door!
1319
01:20:50,545 --> 01:20:52,246
We won't take it anymore!
1320
01:20:52,514 --> 01:20:54,623
Bringing the dead to your door!
1321
01:21:39,860 --> 01:21:40,560
ACT UP!
1322
01:21:40,595 --> 01:21:41,343
Fight back!
1323
01:21:41,628 --> 01:21:42,376
Fight AIDS!
1324
01:21:42,930 --> 01:21:43,630
ACT UP!
1325
01:21:48,636 --> 01:21:49,336
ACT UP!
1326
01:21:49,570 --> 01:21:50,318
Fight back!
1327
01:21:50,572 --> 01:21:51,320
Fight AIDS!
1328
01:21:51,573 --> 01:21:52,273
ACT UP!
1329
01:21:52,707 --> 01:21:53,455
Fight back!
1330
01:21:53,541 --> 01:21:54,289
Fight AIDS!
1331
01:21:54,542 --> 01:21:55,242
ACT UP!
1332
01:21:55,409 --> 01:21:56,157
Fight back!
1333
01:21:56,377 --> 01:21:57,125
Fight AIDS!
1334
01:21:57,378 --> 01:21:58,078
ACT UP!
1335
01:21:58,380 --> 01:21:59,128
Fight back!
1336
01:21:59,314 --> 01:22:00,062
Fight AIDS!
1337
01:22:02,751 --> 01:22:04,588
Shame, shame, shame, shame!
1338
01:22:05,286 --> 01:22:07,123
Shame, shame, shame, shame!
1339
01:22:07,921 --> 01:22:09,894
Shame, shame, shame, shame...
1340
01:22:16,197 --> 01:22:17,353
I love you, Mike!
1341
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:19,756
I love you, Mike!
1342
01:22:45,993 --> 01:22:48,826
Welcome to the first of three
debates among the major
1343
01:22:49,064 --> 01:22:52,642
candidates for President of the
United States, sponsored by the
1344
01:22:52,667 --> 01:22:54,679
commission on
presidential debates.
1345
01:22:55,170 --> 01:22:58,744
Mr. president, yesterday tens
of thousands of people paraded
1346
01:22:58,773 --> 01:23:03,633
past the white house to demonstrate
their concern about the disease, AIDS.
1347
01:23:03,877 --> 01:23:07,248
A celebrated member of your
commission, magic Johnson,
1348
01:23:07,881 --> 01:23:11,102
quit saying that there
was too much inaction.
1349
01:23:12,186 --> 01:23:13,762
Where is this widespread feeling
1350
01:23:13,787 --> 01:23:17,600
coming from that your administration
is not doing enough about AIDS?
1351
01:23:17,625 --> 01:23:20,936
I can't tell you where it's
coming from, but I am very much
1352
01:23:21,128 --> 01:23:22,965
concerned about AIDS, and I
1353
01:23:23,264 --> 01:23:26,008
believe that we've got the
best researchers in the world
1354
01:23:26,033 --> 01:23:28,378
out there at n.I.H.
Working the problem.
1355
01:23:28,403 --> 01:23:31,736
It's one of the few diseases
where behavior matters.
1356
01:23:31,939 --> 01:23:34,750
And I once called on somebody,
"well, change your behavior.
1357
01:23:34,775 --> 01:23:39,556
If the behavior you're using, uh, prone
to cause AIDS, change the behavior."
1358
01:23:39,581 --> 01:23:43,426
Next thing I know, one of these
ACT UP groups is out saying bush
1359
01:23:43,451 --> 01:23:44,861
ought to change his behavior.
1360
01:23:44,886 --> 01:23:46,802
You can't talk about
it rationally.
1361
01:24:06,173 --> 01:24:10,541
Let everyone here know
that this is not a
1362
01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:17,927
political funeral for Mark
Fisher, who wouldn't let us burn
1363
01:24:20,721 --> 01:24:22,218
or bury his courage...
1364
01:24:24,259 --> 01:24:26,436
Or his love for us any more than
1365
01:24:27,395 --> 01:24:32,045
he would let the earth take his body
until it was already in flight.
1366
01:24:33,967 --> 01:24:38,338
He asked for this ceremony,
not so we could bury him,
1367
01:24:38,840 --> 01:24:41,759
but so we could celebrate
his undying anger.
1368
01:24:44,179 --> 01:24:48,283
This isn't a political funeral
for Mark, it's a political
1369
01:24:48,949 --> 01:24:52,116
funeral for the man who killed
him and so many others,
1370
01:24:53,988 --> 01:24:55,689
and is slowly killing me.
1371
01:24:57,391 --> 01:25:01,557
Whose name curls my tongue
and curdles my breath.
1372
01:25:02,497 --> 01:25:07,275
George Bush, we believe you'll
be defeated tomorrow because we
1373
01:25:08,368 --> 01:25:11,675
believe there's still some
justice left in the universe
1374
01:25:12,172 --> 01:25:15,796
and some compassion left
in the American people.
1375
01:25:16,911 --> 01:25:21,723
But whether or not you are, here
and now, standing by Mark's
1376
01:25:22,684 --> 01:25:28,326
body, we put this curse on you.
Mark's spirit will haunt you
1377
01:25:29,423 --> 01:25:31,260
until the end of your days,
1378
01:25:32,092 --> 01:25:37,781
so that in the moment of your defeat,
you'll remember our defeats.
1379
01:25:38,198 --> 01:25:41,971
And in the moment of your death,
you'll remember our deaths.
1380
01:25:44,805 --> 01:25:46,982
As for Mark, when the living can
1381
01:25:48,109 --> 01:25:52,132
no longer speak, the
dead may speak for them.
1382
01:25:53,747 --> 01:25:55,720
Mark's voice is here with us,
1383
01:25:57,252 --> 01:26:02,031
as is the voice of pericles, who
two millennia ago warned the
1384
01:26:02,623 --> 01:26:07,035
Athenian soldiers who didn't
have to die, and in whose death
1385
01:26:07,362 --> 01:26:12,004
he was complicit, but who had
the nobility to say that their
1386
01:26:12,567 --> 01:26:14,540
memorial was the whole earth.
1387
01:26:16,304 --> 01:26:18,481
Let the whole earth hear us now.
1388
01:26:19,606 --> 01:26:25,043
We beg, we pray, we demand
that this epidemic end!
1389
01:26:27,849 --> 01:26:29,482
Not just so we may live,
1390
01:26:31,551 --> 01:26:35,744
but so that Mark's soul may
rest in peace at last.
1391
01:26:42,697 --> 01:26:49,029
In anger and in grief, this fight is
not over till all of us are saved.
1392
01:26:56,978 --> 01:26:57,878
ACT UP.
1393
01:26:58,546 --> 01:26:59,294
Fight back.
1394
01:26:59,913 --> 01:27:00,661
Fight AIDS.
1395
01:28:37,779 --> 01:28:40,490
The debate over AIDS therapy
has reignited with a new
1396
01:28:40,515 --> 01:28:44,421
European study that challenges
the effectiveness of A.Z.T.,
1397
01:28:44,819 --> 01:28:48,024
the widely prescribed drug
used to treat the HIV virus.
1398
01:28:48,088 --> 01:28:51,397
This study disproves what
every other study proves,
1399
01:28:51,958 --> 01:28:56,104
is that the drug is at best
modest, mostly useless, not good
1400
01:28:56,130 --> 01:28:57,339
for you in the beginning.
1401
01:28:57,364 --> 01:29:00,809
Two other drugs, D.D.I.
And d.D.C., were approved
1402
01:29:01,269 --> 01:29:04,112
because they were as good as
A.Z.T., which means that they
1403
01:29:04,137 --> 01:29:06,249
might not be very useful either.
1404
01:29:06,274 --> 01:29:10,632
All this is profoundly dispiriting
for advocates of people with AIDS.
1405
01:29:10,845 --> 01:29:13,489
We thought we had made some
advance in AIDS treatment over
1406
01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:17,327
the last five years, and these
studies show that we really haven't.
1407
01:29:17,452 --> 01:29:21,172
Many activists now admit their
demands were short-sighted.
1408
01:29:21,555 --> 01:29:25,631
It's been a huge expenditure,
a waste of money for the U.S.
1409
01:29:25,693 --> 01:29:29,571
Taxpayer, and it was a naiveté
on our part to think that the
1410
01:29:29,596 --> 01:29:33,488
magic bullet was out there, it just
had to be tested in humans and, uh...
1411
01:29:35,536 --> 01:29:37,169
Given to us as the cure.
1412
01:29:37,305 --> 01:29:41,570
Many doctors and scientists say the bleak
results presented here indicate the U.S.
1413
01:29:41,676 --> 01:29:46,681
Government needs to substantially reorganize
the way it conducts AIDS research.
1414
01:29:46,948 --> 01:29:49,125
Robert Bazell, NBC News, Berlin.
1415
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:58,597
There's been this big crisis at St.
Vincent's about the way
1416
01:29:58,993 --> 01:30:00,830
that we talk about the, uh,
1417
01:30:02,262 --> 01:30:03,606
what happened in Berlin.
1418
01:30:03,631 --> 01:30:07,450
Couple of doctors said they were afraid
of people committing suicide now.
1419
01:30:07,868 --> 01:30:09,773
I don't feel like, oh, now
1420
01:30:11,005 --> 01:30:14,650
I just... I don't feel oh, now I
want to give up, now I want to
1421
01:30:14,675 --> 01:30:15,852
stop living because A.Z.T.
1422
01:30:15,877 --> 01:30:16,961
Doesn't work.
1423
01:30:17,211 --> 01:30:20,976
I've felt forever now that I'm not gonna
outlive this epidemic, that I will,
1424
01:30:21,282 --> 01:30:22,624
that I will die from this.
1425
01:30:22,649 --> 01:30:25,928
You know, maybe that is our future,
that we're gonna watch each other die.
1426
01:30:25,953 --> 01:30:28,097
It's... that's not a new thought.
1427
01:30:28,122 --> 01:30:30,793
We've been thinking that ever
since we started the group.
1428
01:30:31,458 --> 01:30:34,799
The way that the recent spate
of deaths is... I don't know,
1429
01:30:35,896 --> 01:30:38,081
it all seems so much
more apocalyptic.
1430
01:30:38,932 --> 01:30:40,973
Like the story doesn't seem...
1431
01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:47,217
To have this relationship to effective
treatment, or a cure anymore.
1432
01:30:47,341 --> 01:30:49,418
It now seems to have this
relationship to death.
1433
01:30:49,443 --> 01:30:51,254
It ends, it ends with
everybody dying.
1434
01:30:51,279 --> 01:30:53,980
Will the last person alive in
Chelsea please turn out the lights?
1435
01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:06,736
Joining me now is Dr. David
Kessler, the commissioner of the
1436
01:31:06,761 --> 01:31:08,734
food and drug administration.
1437
01:31:08,828 --> 01:31:12,205
Dr. Kessler, how excited should
we get about this new family of
1438
01:31:12,300 --> 01:31:14,081
drugs, these
protease inhibitors?
1439
01:31:14,402 --> 01:31:18,079
I don't want to over-promise,
but these are the most potent
1440
01:31:18,104 --> 01:31:21,017
drugs we've seen
against the virus.
1441
01:31:21,042 --> 01:31:24,346
I know that you are pushing
for faster F.D.A. Approval
1442
01:31:24,511 --> 01:31:26,923
of these drugs, I know that the
application has just gone for
1443
01:31:26,948 --> 01:31:30,065
the first of these drugs to the f. D.A...
It's still gonna take six months.
1444
01:31:30,184 --> 01:31:33,625
We will turn around that
application as quick as ever.
1445
01:31:33,854 --> 01:31:37,032
We're approving drugs in a
matter of months these days.
1446
01:31:37,057 --> 01:31:39,302
But you were telling me
that's six months, right?
1447
01:31:39,327 --> 01:31:40,369
That's as quick as possible.
1448
01:31:40,394 --> 01:31:42,504
We may be able to do it
even a little quicker.
1449
01:31:42,529 --> 01:31:44,773
A split has developed
between those who want
1450
01:31:44,798 --> 01:31:48,076
rapid approval based on early
indicators of success...
1451
01:31:48,101 --> 01:31:50,216
And the treatment
action group, or "tag".
1452
01:31:50,904 --> 01:31:54,963
Tag has asked the F.D.A. To reconsider
the accelerated approval process.
1453
01:31:55,743 --> 01:31:57,512
We told the F.D.A., "no,
1454
01:31:57,979 --> 01:32:00,950
the company has asked you to
approve that drug too soon.
1455
01:32:01,215 --> 01:32:03,117
They need a little bit
more data first."
1456
01:32:03,818 --> 01:32:06,728
Tag is asking the F.D.A.
To take a closer look at
1457
01:32:06,753 --> 01:32:09,392
saquinavir, the first protease
inhibitor to seek approval.
1458
01:32:10,224 --> 01:32:14,503
We need to make sure we don't repeat the
mistake we made with A.Z.T. And D.D.I.
1459
01:32:14,528 --> 01:32:16,304
This is a new class of drugs.
1460
01:32:16,329 --> 01:32:18,234
We need to know if it works.
1461
01:32:18,966 --> 01:32:22,171
...the battle over early
approval of saquinavir was a
1462
01:32:23,136 --> 01:32:26,481
really pivotal moment for
treatment activism, and we took
1463
01:32:26,506 --> 01:32:28,615
such shit for it... from within.
1464
01:32:30,110 --> 01:32:32,193
There are a lot of people
who do agree that there are
1465
01:32:32,212 --> 01:32:36,242
problems, serious problems the way
drug testing and drug trials are run.
1466
01:32:36,751 --> 01:32:39,414
But there are many of us
who feel that halting, um,
1467
01:32:41,188 --> 01:32:44,600
accelerated approval is not
necessarily the answer.
1468
01:32:44,625 --> 01:32:47,637
Tag made their proposal for
this large, simple trial of
1469
01:32:47,662 --> 01:32:49,771
18,000 people that they want to
1470
01:32:50,430 --> 01:32:54,278
put in a placebo control trial
where one-third would get placebo.
1471
01:32:54,668 --> 01:32:56,978
They pushed this idea on the F.D.A.
At a secret meeting,
1472
01:32:57,003 --> 01:32:59,161
which was not announced
to the community.
1473
01:33:00,608 --> 01:33:03,333
This is something we have
fought hard and long for.
1474
01:33:03,778 --> 01:33:06,856
We've been arrested to get
accelerated approval through.
1475
01:33:06,881 --> 01:33:09,258
It's the behavior that
I have a problem with.
1476
01:33:09,283 --> 01:33:12,794
It's the work they're doing that
I have a problem with, and it's,
1477
01:33:12,819 --> 01:33:14,562
this is what I am gonna fight.
1478
01:33:14,587 --> 01:33:16,932
I'm not interested in mud
wrestling with the boys.
1479
01:33:16,957 --> 01:33:19,019
I am absolutely enraged
that there are
1480
01:33:19,045 --> 01:33:21,423
people who have appointed
themselves elitist
1481
01:33:21,729 --> 01:33:25,641
representatives, and represent themselves
as the single voice of this epidemic.
1482
01:33:25,666 --> 01:33:28,177
I am gonna fight them, my
patients are gonna fight
1483
01:33:28,202 --> 01:33:30,927
them, and you goddamn
well better fight them!
1484
01:33:37,243 --> 01:33:41,015
Apparently there's a big discussion on
accelerated approval and protease drug
1485
01:33:41,314 --> 01:33:44,325
development last week on the
floor, so we just wanted to give
1486
01:33:44,350 --> 01:33:48,129
you sort of the tag perspective,
and give you a sense of our, um,
1487
01:33:48,154 --> 01:33:50,199
proposal on protease drug
development so we can start from
1488
01:33:50,224 --> 01:33:52,500
a baseline of common
understanding and knowledge.
1489
01:33:52,525 --> 01:33:55,737
This proposal is not about
taking expanded access away,
1490
01:33:55,762 --> 01:33:59,311
taking accelerated approval away...
this is about adding something.
1491
01:33:59,365 --> 01:34:01,273
This is about figuring
out how do we get
1492
01:34:01,299 --> 01:34:03,646
information about how to
actually use these drugs.
1493
01:34:03,671 --> 01:34:06,574
We need more people when you
have a less powerful drug.
1494
01:34:06,841 --> 01:34:09,455
If we were dealing with penicillin,
we could do it in 20 people.
1495
01:34:10,243 --> 01:34:12,687
So we put together a large,
simple trial that tried to
1496
01:34:12,712 --> 01:34:15,725
synthesize expanded access
in a large, simple trial.
1497
01:34:15,750 --> 01:34:19,227
And what we did is we presented
it to Merck, we presented it to
1498
01:34:20,121 --> 01:34:23,286
the F.D.A., we wanted to start
a community discussion.
1499
01:34:23,323 --> 01:34:27,810
I just wanted to thank Gregg and Derek
for coming to tell us about this...
1500
01:34:29,195 --> 01:34:33,212
Because we hadn't heard anything
until we read about it in Barron's.
1501
01:34:33,434 --> 01:34:36,044
If you wanted to hear the proposal,
you could have heard it 40 times.
1502
01:34:36,069 --> 01:34:37,746
It's been talked about all over.
1503
01:34:37,771 --> 01:34:39,305
Dr. Cotler wants to speak.
1504
01:34:39,774 --> 01:34:42,151
Tag is talking about getting
accurate information.
1505
01:34:42,176 --> 01:34:44,698
ACT UP is talking about
making drugs available.
1506
01:34:44,811 --> 01:34:48,503
There should be a way to mesh those
two, it's really not one or the other.
1507
01:34:48,716 --> 01:34:51,318
Your two groups are really
talking past one another.
1508
01:34:51,652 --> 01:34:54,886
Try not to scream, try not to
go at each other's throats,
1509
01:34:55,088 --> 01:34:58,005
but just talk, because the
differences really can be bridged.
1510
01:35:00,293 --> 01:35:01,177
No, no, no.
1511
01:35:01,328 --> 01:35:02,348
- Hey!
- Shh...
1512
01:35:04,631 --> 01:35:05,331
Quiet!
1513
01:35:06,332 --> 01:35:08,322
'93 to '95 were the worst years.
1514
01:35:10,003 --> 01:35:12,180
It was a really terrifying time.
1515
01:35:13,673 --> 01:35:15,442
They were the worst years.
1516
01:35:19,814 --> 01:35:21,311
And then we got lucky.
1517
01:36:10,396 --> 01:36:11,096
Um...
1518
01:36:12,632 --> 01:36:14,265
You know, just losing...
1519
01:36:17,704 --> 01:36:18,404
And, uh...
1520
01:36:20,975 --> 01:36:21,995
Just so many...
1521
01:36:24,444 --> 01:36:25,805
So many good people.
1522
01:36:26,346 --> 01:36:27,162
And... uh...
1523
01:36:30,050 --> 01:36:31,615
You know, like any war,
1524
01:36:34,020 --> 01:36:35,993
you wonder why you came home.
1525
01:36:50,671 --> 01:36:52,100
Mark collected all of
1526
01:36:52,907 --> 01:36:56,218
our writings, pieces that all of
us had done about what had gone
1527
01:36:56,243 --> 01:36:59,687
wrong in the ways that we studied
previous drugs, and what
1528
01:36:59,712 --> 01:37:02,958
we were already doing wrong in
terms of trying to figure out
1529
01:37:02,983 --> 01:37:04,860
whether the protease inhibitors
worked, and we published it
1530
01:37:04,885 --> 01:37:07,598
as this big report and started
passing them out everywhere we went.
1531
01:37:07,954 --> 01:37:08,830
Let's do this study.
1532
01:37:08,855 --> 01:37:12,464
They elevated themselves by
their own self-education about
1533
01:37:12,693 --> 01:37:15,937
these things, and then it became
very, very clear that you
1534
01:37:15,962 --> 01:37:18,606
weren't gonna mess with these
people because they knew exactly
1535
01:37:18,631 --> 01:37:22,378
what you were talking about, and
they knew exactly what they
1536
01:37:22,403 --> 01:37:23,696
were talking about.
1537
01:37:23,837 --> 01:37:27,282
Activists created a system
that was able to do everything
1538
01:37:27,307 --> 01:37:31,727
faster, better, cheaper, more
ethically, and more effectively.
1539
01:37:32,578 --> 01:37:35,257
They forced people to put
together the right clinical
1540
01:37:35,282 --> 01:37:40,397
trials where you had the patient in
mind, and you weren't cutting corners.
1541
01:37:40,887 --> 01:37:43,065
And of course, the big
breakthrough was combination
1542
01:37:43,090 --> 01:37:46,561
therapy, 'cause mono-therapy
was clearly not the way to go.
1543
01:37:47,094 --> 01:37:49,237
So let's go back into patients,
and let's go back into
1544
01:37:49,262 --> 01:37:52,053
patients with crixivan plus A.Z.T.
Plus 3tc.
1545
01:37:52,533 --> 01:37:55,544
The activists proposed a study
design, industry used it.
1546
01:37:55,569 --> 01:37:57,718
It got the drug
approved in six months.
1547
01:37:57,837 --> 01:38:00,775
So I was at a meeting in
Washington, and I stood up
1548
01:38:01,641 --> 01:38:05,513
there and I showed for the first
time the data in the study.
1549
01:38:06,512 --> 01:38:10,919
The data goes up on the screen and
everyone gasps and cameras start to click.
1550
01:38:10,984 --> 01:38:15,414
And just, it's a realization that this
is, this is really great drug, and it,
1551
01:38:15,722 --> 01:38:16,387
it could work.
1552
01:38:16,422 --> 01:38:19,634
I remember sitting there in a
hotel room in Washington, D.C.,
1553
01:38:19,659 --> 01:38:23,317
our hotel banquet room,
and just crying.
1554
01:38:24,530 --> 01:38:25,840
It was like, we did it.
1555
01:38:25,865 --> 01:38:27,021
We did something.
1556
01:38:27,434 --> 01:38:29,244
It was too much to
take in at that point.
1557
01:38:29,269 --> 01:38:32,213
It wasn't until we started
putting the drugs in our bodies
1558
01:38:32,238 --> 01:38:34,075
and we all went home and...
1559
01:38:34,975 --> 01:38:38,253
Started, went straight on that
regimen that had been on that
1560
01:38:38,278 --> 01:38:43,382
slide, including crixivan and
two nucleoside analogues.
1561
01:38:44,184 --> 01:38:48,560
And sure enough, it happened in
us within 30 days, all of us.
1562
01:38:49,722 --> 01:38:51,908
Undetectable, undetectable,
undetectable.
1563
01:38:52,025 --> 01:38:55,292
The dying was stopping with
triple drug combination.
1564
01:38:55,929 --> 01:38:59,374
And if you needed your clinical
trial, you could just go to
1565
01:38:59,399 --> 01:39:02,122
these hospitals that were not
filling up the way they were
1566
01:39:02,136 --> 01:39:04,313
filling up with people with HIV.
1567
01:39:04,404 --> 01:39:07,648
You would see their Kaposi's
sarcoma lesions that had been
1568
01:39:07,673 --> 01:39:09,578
bright and red and, um, big,
1569
01:39:11,278 --> 01:39:13,054
melting back into their skin.
1570
01:39:13,079 --> 01:39:14,757
They were calling it
the Lazarus effect.
1571
01:39:14,782 --> 01:39:17,526
People who were deathly ill,
would get put on this drug
1572
01:39:17,551 --> 01:39:19,762
and all of a sudden,
they're working again.
1573
01:39:19,787 --> 01:39:21,828
That was a phenomenal feeling.
1574
01:39:22,189 --> 01:39:23,005
It worked.
1575
01:39:23,289 --> 01:39:25,572
You know, we did
something remarkable.
1576
01:39:25,926 --> 01:39:29,100
So that breakthrough, you
know, that we thought was
1577
01:39:29,695 --> 01:39:31,872
gonna happen in '88 or '89 if we
1578
01:39:32,498 --> 01:39:36,233
just worked fast enough,
you know, it did happen.
1579
01:39:39,872 --> 01:39:41,777
But not until '96, and so...
1580
01:39:44,078 --> 01:39:45,894
You know, a lot of people died.
1581
01:39:46,079 --> 01:39:47,916
Maybe if Reagan had started
1582
01:39:48,916 --> 01:39:50,797
putting money into AIDS
a little earlier...
1583
01:40:00,394 --> 01:40:02,163
They wouldn't all be dead.
1584
01:40:05,164 --> 01:40:09,607
I feel very fortunate, and
there's probably a lot of
1585
01:40:10,136 --> 01:40:13,281
complicated reasons why,
but I still find it very
1586
01:40:13,306 --> 01:40:16,209
difficult to plan for the
future, and/or accept that
1587
01:40:17,944 --> 01:40:19,577
I will have a long life.
1588
01:40:22,216 --> 01:40:24,121
Which is unfortunate because
1589
01:40:24,818 --> 01:40:28,471
I've had a long life and I've been
living with AIDS for 20 years.
1590
01:40:30,623 --> 01:40:32,806
But it's hard for me
to relax into life.
1591
01:40:35,729 --> 01:40:40,476
I know lots of us went through
really difficult times after...
1592
01:40:42,168 --> 01:40:45,726
Um, trying to figure out,
well, what do I do now?
1593
01:40:46,773 --> 01:40:47,473
You know.
1594
01:40:47,908 --> 01:40:50,752
Not just because I didn't think
I had a future and now I do,
1595
01:40:50,777 --> 01:40:56,940
so I have to make some plans, but... how
do I do something else that is as...
1596
01:40:59,819 --> 01:41:05,035
I mean, it's a weird word, but as
fulfilling as that work has been.
1597
01:41:06,460 --> 01:41:08,365
To be that threatened with
1598
01:41:11,364 --> 01:41:12,520
extinction, um...
1599
01:41:16,203 --> 01:41:17,972
And to not lay down, um...
1600
01:41:22,408 --> 01:41:24,449
To stand up and to fight back.
1601
01:41:28,515 --> 01:41:31,848
The way we did it, the way
we took care of ourselves,
1602
01:41:31,918 --> 01:41:36,225
and each other, the goodness
that we showed, the humanity
1603
01:41:38,057 --> 01:41:39,690
that we showed the world
1604
01:41:40,527 --> 01:41:42,024
is just mind-boggling.
1605
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:44,018
Just incredible.
1606
01:41:47,033 --> 01:41:47,781
Fight AIDS!
1607
01:41:47,900 --> 01:41:48,600
ACT UP!
1608
01:41:49,069 --> 01:41:49,817
Fight back!
1609
01:41:50,337 --> 01:41:51,085
Fight AIDS!
1610
01:41:51,505 --> 01:41:55,472
Every single drug that's out there is
because of ACT UP, I am convinced.
1611
01:41:55,943 --> 01:41:58,187
We had the brainpower and
we had the street power.
1612
01:41:58,212 --> 01:42:00,088
We had the good cops
and the bad cops.
1613
01:42:00,113 --> 01:42:02,128
The government didn't
get us the drugs.
1614
01:42:02,216 --> 01:42:04,189
No one else got us the drugs.
1615
01:42:04,283 --> 01:42:07,734
We, ACT UP, got those
drugs out there.
1616
01:42:08,154 --> 01:42:10,195
It is the proudest achievement
1617
01:42:11,057 --> 01:42:14,255
that the gay population of
this world can ever claim.
1618
01:42:15,028 --> 01:42:18,005
We could do it because we
could deliver hundreds and
1619
01:42:18,030 --> 01:42:20,071
sometimes thousands of bodies.
1620
01:42:20,500 --> 01:42:23,802
We had people with AIDS putting
their bodies on the line,
1621
01:42:23,869 --> 01:42:28,458
flopping out in the streets, saying
"fine, this is my body, take me away."
1622
01:42:28,841 --> 01:42:30,474
I drew the line there.
1623
01:42:32,179 --> 01:42:34,220
I didn't want to get arrested.
1624
01:42:35,815 --> 01:42:37,380
That far I wouldn't go.
1625
01:42:49,095 --> 01:42:49,979
♪ Keeping up,
1626
01:42:52,466 --> 01:42:55,147
keeping up with the
feeling, oh, yeah ♪
1627
01:42:55,769 --> 01:42:57,953
♪ getting to know what you like
1628
01:42:59,171 --> 01:43:00,464
and what you love ♪
1629
01:43:01,108 --> 01:43:05,279
I'd like to close with words written
by fellow AIDS activist, Vito Russo.
1630
01:43:06,012 --> 01:43:10,190
"When future generations ask
what we did in the war, we have
1631
01:43:11,217 --> 01:43:14,760
to be able to tell them that we
were out here fighting, and we
1632
01:43:15,255 --> 01:43:19,409
have to leave a legacy to the generations
of people who will come after us.
1633
01:43:20,493 --> 01:43:23,523
Remember that someday the
AIDS crisis will be over.
1634
01:43:24,930 --> 01:43:28,438
And when that day has come and
gone, there will be a people
1635
01:43:28,902 --> 01:43:32,498
alive on this earth, gay
people and straight people,
1636
01:43:32,572 --> 01:43:35,984
black people and white people,
men and women who will hear
1637
01:43:36,009 --> 01:43:40,849
the story that once there was a
terrible disease, and that a
1638
01:43:41,113 --> 01:43:44,926
brave group of people stood up and fought...
and in some cases
1639
01:43:44,951 --> 01:43:48,305
died... so that others
might live and be free."
1640
01:43:49,722 --> 01:43:50,674
♪ And there's,
1641
01:43:51,658 --> 01:43:54,949
and there's, and there's
no end in sight ♪
1642
01:43:56,229 --> 01:43:58,066
♪ and there's, and there's,
1643
01:43:59,065 --> 01:44:01,038
and there's no end in sight ♪
1644
01:44:08,274 --> 01:44:10,470
We might have a federal
charge against us...
1645
01:44:11,610 --> 01:44:12,310
Great!
1646
01:44:12,779 --> 01:44:14,548
Leavenworth, here we come.
1647
01:44:17,216 --> 01:44:18,304
...an invoice?
1648
01:44:26,292 --> 01:44:27,244
♪ Keeping up ♪
1649
01:44:29,162 --> 01:44:30,114
♪ keeping up ♪
1650
01:44:30,430 --> 01:44:31,450
Green, green...
1651
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:34,393
Ouch, that hurts.
1652
01:44:36,470 --> 01:44:38,691
♪ Keeping it up, keeping it up ♪
1653
01:44:41,774 --> 01:44:44,785
Information is essential so
that doctors and patients
1654
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:47,060
can make intelligent
treatment decisions.
1655
01:44:50,583 --> 01:44:51,660
Okay, all right.
1656
01:44:51,685 --> 01:44:53,353
Do I have to hold
the red button?
1657
01:44:53,520 --> 01:44:54,949
No, you can let go.
1658
01:44:55,454 --> 01:44:57,132
I'm really glad to
see everybody here.
1659
01:44:57,157 --> 01:44:58,586
You look really good.
1660
01:45:00,460 --> 01:45:03,008
♪ Try to keep up in time. ♪
1661
01:45:03,796 --> 01:45:06,107
I'd like to suggest that
we not be unethical, to do
1662
01:45:06,132 --> 01:45:10,074
a randomized trial of two
different prevention programs.
1663
01:45:12,471 --> 01:45:16,437
If we don't eradicate HIV everywhere,
we will never eradicate it anywhere.
1664
01:45:17,444 --> 01:45:18,396
♪ Keeping up ♪
1665
01:45:20,380 --> 01:45:21,332
♪ keeping up ♪
1666
01:45:22,248 --> 01:45:25,481
We may march without incident
or they may arrest us.
1667
01:45:26,219 --> 01:45:27,375
But it'll be fun.
1668
01:45:33,460 --> 01:45:35,297
...plane insky magazine.
1669
01:45:39,599 --> 01:45:41,520
♪ We're going to ad-min today. ♪
1670
01:45:44,304 --> 01:45:48,997
♪ and there's, and there's,
and there's no end in sight ♪
1671
01:45:50,210 --> 01:45:52,047
♪ and there's, and there's,
1672
01:45:53,180 --> 01:45:55,153
and there's no end in sight ♪
1673
01:45:59,386 --> 01:46:00,338
♪ keeping up ♪
1674
01:46:01,688 --> 01:46:03,729
In just over, um, two years,
1675
01:46:05,225 --> 01:46:08,062
um, that drug went from
test tube to full approval.
1676
01:46:08,561 --> 01:46:10,408
♪ Heartbeat won't go slow ♪
1677
01:46:11,832 --> 01:46:14,902
♪ and when it's knowing you
will be there tonight ♪
1678
01:46:18,204 --> 01:46:19,156
♪ keeping up ♪
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