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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,581 --> 00:00:16,117 -As a kid, I loved war movies. 2 00:00:17,718 --> 00:00:19,253 Especially anything happen to do with airplanes. 3 00:00:21,222 --> 00:00:24,858 So as soon as I graduated from High School, I enlisted in the Air Force. 4 00:00:27,461 --> 00:00:29,430 I was fascinated by the technology of war. 5 00:00:30,731 --> 00:00:32,600 Jet engines, radar. 6 00:00:34,068 --> 00:00:36,270 But I never saw action during my service. 7 00:00:37,305 --> 00:00:40,040 I never had to confront making the ultimate sacrifice for my country. 8 00:00:42,976 --> 00:00:46,714 More than a million soldiers have laid down their lives in the name of this country. 9 00:00:48,982 --> 00:00:54,722 They did it because, they believed the wars they fought were necessary, and just. 10 00:00:57,225 --> 00:01:00,128 Every country is proud of its veterans. 11 00:01:00,161 --> 00:01:02,963 And there are cemeteries all around the world just like this one. 12 00:01:05,166 --> 00:01:08,302 They are reminders of the terrible human cost of war. 13 00:01:11,639 --> 00:01:13,974 Can we put an end to this sacrifice? 14 00:01:15,109 --> 00:01:17,745 Is war inevitable? 15 00:01:18,679 --> 00:01:21,249 Or can we ever hope for a lasting peace? 16 00:01:24,152 --> 00:01:27,821 Is technology making war more likely, and more deadly? 17 00:01:28,856 --> 00:01:30,591 -I killed three people. 18 00:01:31,125 --> 00:01:33,194 Two of them were obliterated into pieces. 19 00:01:34,262 --> 00:01:38,166 -If one nuclear weapon is used, it would be mutually assured destruction. 20 00:01:40,801 --> 00:01:42,870 MORGAN: Is peace simply the absence of war? 21 00:01:43,837 --> 00:01:45,573 So this is the peace wall. 22 00:01:45,606 --> 00:01:46,840 It's put up for protection? 23 00:01:46,874 --> 00:01:48,976 -Yes because violence does flare up. 24 00:01:49,543 --> 00:01:52,513 MORGAN: And can we ever move beyond our urge to fight? 25 00:01:54,014 --> 00:01:57,985 -Even after genocide, revenge doesn't allow you to move on. 26 00:02:04,392 --> 00:02:07,195 * 27 00:02:09,163 --> 00:02:11,699 MORGAN: This is my journey. 28 00:02:13,167 --> 00:02:16,170 To discover the ties that bind us. 29 00:02:18,172 --> 00:02:20,574 And the common humanity inside us. 30 00:02:23,477 --> 00:02:26,013 This is The Story Of Us. 31 00:02:36,089 --> 00:02:39,293 * 32 00:02:39,327 --> 00:02:42,230 I'm on my way to a remote region of southern Ethiopia 33 00:02:42,930 --> 00:02:45,065 to meet two tribes that have been warring 34 00:02:45,098 --> 00:02:47,668 with one another for generations. 35 00:02:47,935 --> 00:02:50,838 The Dassanech and the Nyangatom. 36 00:02:52,440 --> 00:02:55,343 The Dassanech and Nyangatom societies center around cattle. 37 00:02:59,580 --> 00:03:03,251 But in this arid environment good grazing land is scarce. 38 00:03:04,518 --> 00:03:06,420 And it's often the flash point for conflict. 39 00:03:08,556 --> 00:03:12,993 John Lomala, a member of the Dassanech, has invited me to his village to witness 40 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:17,698 a peace ceremony, an effort by the tribal elders, to end the fighting. 41 00:03:22,069 --> 00:03:25,273 So John, tell me, where am I? 42 00:03:26,707 --> 00:03:28,809 -You are in a Dassanech village called Damech. 43 00:03:29,109 --> 00:03:30,378 -Damech? 44 00:03:30,411 --> 00:03:32,446 -Damech is a village of Dassanech. 45 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,882 And Dassanech is people of the Delta. 46 00:03:35,383 --> 00:03:37,184 -People of the Delta? 47 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:40,654 I mean I live in a Delta also in Mississippi so, we have that much in common. 48 00:03:42,656 --> 00:03:47,160 -In this village when I was born, my family was telling me that my enemy is Nyangatom. 49 00:03:48,095 --> 00:03:50,163 They kill my uncle, they kill my aunt. 50 00:03:50,831 --> 00:03:53,767 -Wait a minute, you're telling me that these small villages, 51 00:03:53,801 --> 00:03:56,370 you fight and kill each other? 52 00:03:56,404 --> 00:03:58,306 -Yes. 53 00:03:58,339 --> 00:04:02,610 We have been fighting, over the pasture yeah, over the pasture water, grass. 54 00:04:03,977 --> 00:04:06,947 Here you need to have cows to have a wife. 55 00:04:07,415 --> 00:04:09,283 And if you don't have anything you should go 56 00:04:09,317 --> 00:04:11,752 and steal some animals and get a wife. 57 00:04:12,286 --> 00:04:14,722 -And that starts the fight? -Exactly. 58 00:04:14,755 --> 00:04:17,591 -So, about how many people have been killed in the last, two years? 59 00:04:19,593 --> 00:04:23,864 -I don't know the exact number but, maybe 20. 60 00:04:25,433 --> 00:04:27,535 -That's a lot, that's a lot of people in a small village. 61 00:04:31,805 --> 00:04:33,807 -He is a Dassanech warrior. -Are you? 62 00:04:33,841 --> 00:04:36,944 -Yeah, you can see he cut his chest. 63 00:04:36,977 --> 00:04:39,313 This is a symbol of a warrior. 64 00:04:40,047 --> 00:04:42,282 This signifies that he has killed an enemy. 65 00:04:44,818 --> 00:04:46,454 -How many men do you kill? 66 00:04:46,487 --> 00:04:48,856 (speaking in native language). 67 00:04:50,824 --> 00:04:53,026 -He said two. -Two? -Yes. 68 00:04:53,060 --> 00:04:54,462 -Was it a fight? 69 00:04:54,495 --> 00:04:56,564 (speaking in native language). 70 00:05:00,501 --> 00:05:04,304 -He say with AK47, not his spear, he use his AK47. 71 00:05:05,005 --> 00:05:07,508 -How does he feel about that? 72 00:05:08,175 --> 00:05:10,511 -He's happy because, he's a warrior you know, everybody afraid of him. 73 00:05:15,383 --> 00:05:19,186 MORGAN: John explains to me that there is tension between the young men who want to 74 00:05:19,219 --> 00:05:23,691 prove themselves and get married, and the elders, who want to end the killing. 75 00:05:24,858 --> 00:05:26,727 -People are losing their lives, people are dying. 76 00:05:27,428 --> 00:05:29,763 -Okay. -So the elders decided to have peace ceremony. 77 00:05:31,899 --> 00:05:36,404 -So now the elders have said that's enough, we gotta get together and stop this. 78 00:05:37,070 --> 00:05:39,940 -And make peace and bring people together. -So how does it work? 79 00:05:40,774 --> 00:05:42,410 What is the first thing? 80 00:05:42,443 --> 00:05:45,212 -So, the first thing is we give a message to the young warriors. 81 00:05:45,913 --> 00:05:49,049 Message is, tell the Nyangatom we want them to come to our village, 82 00:05:50,217 --> 00:05:52,386 we offer peace ceremony. 83 00:05:52,420 --> 00:05:54,788 If the time comes, the Nyangatom will come. 84 00:06:05,633 --> 00:06:09,302 -Is that them? -Yeah that's them. 85 00:06:17,711 --> 00:06:20,113 -Alright now, what are they doing? 86 00:06:20,147 --> 00:06:23,817 -Now the Dassanech elders, they are with a calabash full of clean water. 87 00:06:25,753 --> 00:06:29,557 They're there to bless them, welcome, welcome, welcome to our village. 88 00:06:29,590 --> 00:06:31,191 Welcome to our village. 89 00:06:31,224 --> 00:06:34,762 -Welcome, not blessing. -And they're washing the sins. 90 00:06:41,435 --> 00:06:44,572 MORGAN: To show their commitment to peace, the Dassanech sacrifice a cow, 91 00:06:45,839 --> 00:06:48,108 a valuable asset at the root of their conflict. 92 00:06:50,744 --> 00:06:54,147 Both tribes will feast on the meat later but first, 93 00:06:54,181 --> 00:06:56,484 they must perform a ritual with the cow's innards. 94 00:06:58,952 --> 00:07:01,121 That's actually the stomach contents. 95 00:07:01,154 --> 00:07:03,924 Like, first stomach of a cow. 96 00:07:06,293 --> 00:07:09,930 The grassy stomach contents represent the contested grazing land. 97 00:07:11,532 --> 00:07:15,803 Smearing it on each other was a step towards being able to share this contested land. 98 00:07:16,970 --> 00:07:19,707 Now, the peace talks can begin. 99 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:25,946 (speaking in native language). 100 00:07:25,979 --> 00:07:28,649 -He's saying that the last peace was spoiled by this tribe 101 00:07:28,682 --> 00:07:30,017 because of their stealing. 102 00:07:30,050 --> 00:07:33,487 So, from now on we want to stop these kind of activities. 103 00:07:33,887 --> 00:07:35,589 May God support us. 104 00:07:35,623 --> 00:07:38,626 (speaking in native language). 105 00:07:39,660 --> 00:07:42,129 -So he's cursing, also the thieves. 106 00:07:46,834 --> 00:07:49,436 -And the people who are answering are saying something like, "amen." 107 00:07:49,469 --> 00:07:52,005 -Amen, exactly. 108 00:07:52,906 --> 00:07:55,876 MORGAN: The elders persuade the young warriors that the cycle of cattle raiding 109 00:07:55,909 --> 00:07:57,978 and killing has hurt both tribes. 110 00:07:59,312 --> 00:08:02,415 But I want to ask the elders how confident they are in this new peace. 111 00:08:03,917 --> 00:08:06,687 -We have two people from different tribes, from Dassanech tribe is this elder. 112 00:08:07,655 --> 00:08:09,456 This elder is from Nyangatom. 113 00:08:09,489 --> 00:08:11,592 -Okay, when was the last time you had a peace ceremony? 114 00:08:13,093 --> 00:08:15,262 (speaking in native language). 115 00:08:19,399 --> 00:08:21,569 -Seven years ago. -Seven years ago? 116 00:08:21,602 --> 00:08:24,471 Do you expect it to last a long time? 117 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:28,876 (speaking in native language). 118 00:08:33,714 --> 00:08:37,217 -He is saying that when we are one, when we come together and we pray God, 119 00:08:37,718 --> 00:08:39,519 of course he will give us peace. 120 00:08:39,553 --> 00:08:41,955 -Of course. 121 00:08:44,091 --> 00:08:47,928 (speaking in native language). 122 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:54,067 And I hope this peace lasts a long time, a long time. 123 00:08:59,139 --> 00:09:01,909 Thank you. 124 00:09:01,942 --> 00:09:06,714 As the ceremony ends, I notice a Nyangatom and a Dassanech elder leaving 125 00:09:06,747 --> 00:09:08,248 the village together. 126 00:09:08,281 --> 00:09:10,283 Where are those two men going? 127 00:09:10,317 --> 00:09:12,920 -They are going to bury a spear. 128 00:09:13,553 --> 00:09:17,257 They used to use the spear to kill each others, 129 00:09:17,290 --> 00:09:22,796 so we are brothers then why cannot we bury what we used to kill each others. 130 00:09:23,931 --> 00:09:26,499 They are saying we are enough, enough is enough so no more conflict, 131 00:09:27,234 --> 00:09:28,902 no more war. 132 00:09:35,242 --> 00:09:38,879 -Since the dawn of society, people have waged war, 133 00:09:38,912 --> 00:09:42,482 primarily over limited resources. 134 00:09:42,515 --> 00:09:46,119 Where people live off the land and there is not enough good land to go around, 135 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,123 war becomes an inevitable part of the cycle of life. 136 00:09:52,159 --> 00:09:55,362 The best you can do is what the Dassanech and the Nyangatom are trying to do. 137 00:09:57,130 --> 00:10:00,100 Find a balance between war and peace. 138 00:10:10,210 --> 00:10:15,849 Around the world, we continue to fight over land, and other natural resources, 139 00:10:17,050 --> 00:10:20,187 as we have done for millennia. 140 00:10:20,220 --> 00:10:25,225 And, like the Ethiopian elders we long for peace, because of the horrors of battle. 141 00:10:27,327 --> 00:10:30,664 But technology is causing a fundamental shift in the balance of war and peace. 142 00:10:37,971 --> 00:10:41,441 Drone warfare means that soldiers don't have to be on the battlefield 143 00:10:41,474 --> 00:10:43,576 to engage in the fight. 144 00:10:44,912 --> 00:10:48,782 Over the past few decades, the United States has targeted more than 145 00:10:48,816 --> 00:10:51,651 4,000 suspected terrorists in drone strikes. 146 00:10:53,854 --> 00:10:57,224 Those strikes have killed more than 6,600 people. 147 00:11:01,929 --> 00:11:05,098 But opponents see drones as a threat to peace. 148 00:11:07,034 --> 00:11:10,670 They believe drones lower the barrier to war and kill many more innocent 149 00:11:10,704 --> 00:11:13,406 civilians than officially reported. 150 00:11:14,842 --> 00:11:17,610 I'm meeting former US Air Force drone operator Brandon Bryant. 151 00:11:19,847 --> 00:11:21,949 He is a fierce critic of the American Drone Program. 152 00:11:23,550 --> 00:11:27,554 -I have concerns about how the drone community operates. 153 00:11:27,587 --> 00:11:30,758 I think that there should be independent investigations and transparencies about the 154 00:11:30,791 --> 00:11:34,227 responsible use of any weapon systems capable of killing another human being. 155 00:11:38,766 --> 00:11:40,801 -I was a little kid during World War II. 156 00:11:43,270 --> 00:11:46,740 And following the end of the war of course, 157 00:11:47,207 --> 00:11:50,243 glory, bravery and patriotism, 158 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,883 it's instilled in me and, where do I go? 159 00:11:56,950 --> 00:11:59,152 Air Force, how do you feel going in? 160 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:03,256 -So when I joined the military I really did it, to serve my country. 161 00:12:05,058 --> 00:12:07,027 But when I got to the drone base I didn't know what I was doing, 162 00:12:07,060 --> 00:12:08,962 they didn't tell me anything until I got there. 163 00:12:09,997 --> 00:12:13,967 They put me in a small theater with about 25 other individuals and then they 164 00:12:14,001 --> 00:12:16,603 played a montage video of drone strikes. 165 00:12:22,142 --> 00:12:25,245 And Sergeant after it's done and he's standing at parade rest, 166 00:12:25,278 --> 00:12:27,280 he's like "your job is to kill people and break things," 167 00:12:28,315 --> 00:12:30,217 and I was just like "holy (bleep)." 168 00:12:30,250 --> 00:12:32,986 What am I doing? 169 00:12:34,154 --> 00:12:36,056 -What is it like flying a drone? 170 00:12:36,089 --> 00:12:39,292 -I was an MQ-1 Bravo Predator Sensor operator. 171 00:12:40,627 --> 00:12:43,096 So I control the camera and the missiles. 172 00:12:43,130 --> 00:12:44,965 Like that's my job. 173 00:12:44,998 --> 00:12:49,803 The pilot keeps the aircraft in the air and basically we support one another. 174 00:12:51,204 --> 00:12:53,306 If you look out the window actually, 175 00:12:53,340 --> 00:12:55,675 if you look down there that's kind of the same... 176 00:12:55,708 --> 00:12:58,678 paradigm view that we have. 177 00:12:58,711 --> 00:13:02,015 If there's a target to be attacked, they're like okay this is what's going on. 178 00:13:03,183 --> 00:13:05,685 You're gonna watch a person outside this guy's house. 179 00:13:05,718 --> 00:13:08,822 I mean you're just waiting for an opportunity for them to get into a location, 180 00:13:08,856 --> 00:13:10,657 you're gonna shoot em. 181 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:14,995 -Do you know how many kills? 182 00:13:15,028 --> 00:13:20,868 -13 directly, my first shot it was at winter in the mountains of Afghanistan. 183 00:13:22,069 --> 00:13:23,904 I killed three people... 184 00:13:26,673 --> 00:13:30,643 two of them were obliterated into pieces and one of them, watched him bleed out and then 185 00:13:30,677 --> 00:13:33,480 watched an infrared become the same color as the ground that he died on. 186 00:13:36,216 --> 00:13:40,220 -Is there remorse or there was like, consternation? 187 00:13:41,554 --> 00:13:43,390 -I'm sitting there like, I just watched a man bleed out. 188 00:13:44,357 --> 00:13:48,295 That felt horrible, I wanted to cry, I felt you know, you feel the 189 00:13:48,328 --> 00:13:50,497 "this is what I just did", the adrenaline rush. 190 00:13:50,931 --> 00:13:53,901 I mean, it was all sorts of weird, weird feelings. 191 00:13:59,706 --> 00:14:01,474 MORGAN: On one mission, 192 00:14:01,508 --> 00:14:03,676 Brandon was given the orders to strike a house. 193 00:14:06,113 --> 00:14:09,749 Right after firing the missile, he saw what he believed to be a small child 194 00:14:10,417 --> 00:14:12,685 walking into the structure. 195 00:14:12,953 --> 00:14:14,922 But it was too late to abort. 196 00:14:29,069 --> 00:14:32,439 MORGAN: Technology has shifted the delicate balance between war and peace 197 00:14:32,472 --> 00:14:34,574 many times in human history. 198 00:14:35,943 --> 00:14:41,181 But drones might be the biggest disruptors yet, making war possible at merely the 199 00:14:41,214 --> 00:14:46,886 push of a button and posing new moral dilemmas for soldiers thousands of miles 200 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,689 from the battlefield. 201 00:14:49,722 --> 00:14:53,726 Air Force Drone operator Brandon Bryant is sure he killed an innocent child who 202 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,563 walked into the strike zone he had just targeted. 203 00:15:01,801 --> 00:15:04,171 His superiors insisted he killed a dog. 204 00:15:05,805 --> 00:15:08,375 -You get into that position where you just don't feel like you have 205 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:10,643 any power to change anything. 206 00:15:10,677 --> 00:15:13,780 I felt the helplessness and that is another sense of post-traumatic stress. 207 00:15:14,847 --> 00:15:19,452 I don't know how I survived it, mentally or spiritually it was hard. 208 00:15:19,786 --> 00:15:23,023 -Survivor's guilt. -Hmm, hmm. 209 00:15:23,856 --> 00:15:27,360 MORGAN: When Brandon left the Service after six years, he received a certificate. 210 00:15:29,429 --> 00:15:34,567 It stated that over 2,300 people had been killed due to intelligence gathered 211 00:15:34,601 --> 00:15:36,869 on his drone missions. 212 00:15:37,604 --> 00:15:40,307 How did you feel when you saw that number? 213 00:15:40,340 --> 00:15:44,877 -Once I had that sheet, I recognized that the background noise in my dreams 214 00:15:45,512 --> 00:15:48,115 was a legion of ghosts. 215 00:15:48,515 --> 00:15:51,318 I was haunted by every tally mark on that piece of paper. 216 00:15:53,686 --> 00:15:56,923 It really hit home with how much we can know and how little we actually 217 00:15:56,956 --> 00:15:59,126 know of who these people are. 218 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:00,860 Like they're just numbers. 219 00:16:00,893 --> 00:16:03,130 They're just a tick on a database. 220 00:16:03,730 --> 00:16:07,334 MORGAN: Successive US administrations have maintained that drone missions 221 00:16:07,367 --> 00:16:09,736 are effective and reduce civilian deaths. 222 00:16:10,737 --> 00:16:12,472 -These strikes were legal. 223 00:16:12,505 --> 00:16:15,042 They are ethical and they are wise. 224 00:16:15,075 --> 00:16:19,146 MORGAN: But Brandon thinks America's increasing dependence on drones, 225 00:16:19,179 --> 00:16:22,415 is fundamentally changing our attitude to war. 226 00:16:23,516 --> 00:16:26,053 -You know I've heard all the justifications for doing what I've done. 227 00:16:26,819 --> 00:16:30,023 Maybe if it was used ethically or more responsibly, I could be okay with it. 228 00:16:31,424 --> 00:16:33,760 But we were just told our job is to kill people and break things, 229 00:16:34,194 --> 00:16:35,462 that's what we're going to do. 230 00:16:35,495 --> 00:16:38,165 And that doesn't sit well with me. 231 00:16:38,198 --> 00:16:41,701 -You think this is a worse way to fight a war than conventional warfare? 232 00:16:43,070 --> 00:16:45,605 -I think that we need to reassess how we're utilizing this technology. 233 00:16:46,706 --> 00:16:48,608 Cause it's so easily abused. 234 00:16:49,376 --> 00:16:52,912 You no longer need to train someone to go into combat, you just need to train someone 235 00:16:52,945 --> 00:16:56,383 to control a joystick and press the button, and take another person's life. 236 00:17:00,587 --> 00:17:02,422 MORGAN: Brandon thinks he's seen the future of war. 237 00:17:04,057 --> 00:17:06,193 And he doesn't like where it's headed. 238 00:17:07,360 --> 00:17:11,531 He dutifully completed thousands of hours of drone missions for the Air Force. 239 00:17:12,932 --> 00:17:15,068 But now, he has a new mission. 240 00:17:17,437 --> 00:17:21,641 He believes that by revealing the inner workings of the drone program, 241 00:17:23,810 --> 00:17:28,948 we can all come to understand the consequences of using such hi tech killing machines. 242 00:17:31,918 --> 00:17:35,922 With our ever growing population, and our ever developing technology, 243 00:17:38,291 --> 00:17:41,628 humanities long tradition of fighting over limited resources seems 244 00:17:41,661 --> 00:17:43,830 destined only to intensify. 245 00:17:49,902 --> 00:17:53,806 But I heard about an ancient ritual in South America that may offer a solution. 246 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:05,685 Anthropologist Kate Centellas is traveling to the town of Macha, 247 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:10,690 in the highlands of Bolivia to witness a celebration called Tinku. 248 00:18:13,526 --> 00:18:16,963 She's meeting Wilber Garnica Fajardo, a member of the Quechua, 249 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:20,133 an indigenous Bolivian group. 250 00:18:22,469 --> 00:18:25,305 -Welcome to Macha. 251 00:18:25,338 --> 00:18:27,674 -I'm really glad to be in Macha because I've never seen Tinku 252 00:18:27,707 --> 00:18:29,642 and I've been studying Bolivia for a long time. 253 00:18:29,676 --> 00:18:31,778 Can you tell me a little bit about what's going on here today? 254 00:18:31,811 --> 00:18:34,247 -We are waiting for the big fiesta. 255 00:18:34,281 --> 00:18:36,349 They will celebrate the end of the harvest. 256 00:18:37,150 --> 00:18:38,117 -And that's called Tinku? 257 00:18:38,151 --> 00:18:39,752 Is that right? 258 00:18:39,786 --> 00:18:43,122 -Tinku is part of this big party we have, every fourth of May. 259 00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:52,299 MORGAN: Approximately 3,000 people from 60 highland and lowland communities 260 00:18:52,332 --> 00:18:56,203 surrounding Macha travel to the town square to take part in the festival. 261 00:18:58,505 --> 00:19:03,142 It's a harvest celebration, and an act of thanksgiving to the mother goddess Pachamama. 262 00:19:04,644 --> 00:19:07,414 -For us, for the Andean people, Pachamama is Mother Earth. 263 00:19:08,848 --> 00:19:12,885 MORGAN: The day begins with music, ritualistic marching, dances, 264 00:19:14,187 --> 00:19:16,323 and plenty of chichi, 265 00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:18,758 a libation made from fermented corn. 266 00:19:21,328 --> 00:19:23,863 -It's like the end of the year for us, with the end of the harvest 267 00:19:24,231 --> 00:19:26,199 and we have a big explosion. 268 00:19:35,242 --> 00:19:38,278 MORGAN: The energy and excitement builds until, right on cue... 269 00:19:43,883 --> 00:19:45,918 fighting breaks out. 270 00:19:54,261 --> 00:19:57,364 MORGAN: Every year, on the fourth of May, a 271 00:19:57,397 --> 00:20:00,900 town square in the Bolivian highlands becomes a battlefield. 272 00:20:04,237 --> 00:20:08,808 Tinku is a ritual war in honor of the local Quechua people's mother goddess. 273 00:20:10,277 --> 00:20:12,779 -The Tinku has started, so there are fights one to one. 274 00:20:14,814 --> 00:20:17,884 If in this day you are bleeding, means you are giving to the Gods to Pachamama. 275 00:20:22,489 --> 00:20:24,257 -Are they really angry with each other? 276 00:20:24,291 --> 00:20:25,358 -No, not angry. 277 00:20:25,392 --> 00:20:28,060 They're 100% with a high emotion. 278 00:20:31,498 --> 00:20:33,800 -So how do they know who to fight? 279 00:20:33,833 --> 00:20:38,104 -Always between a guy from the lowlands, against a guy from the highlands. 280 00:20:46,178 --> 00:20:48,581 MORGAN: Tinku is a blood offering to Pachamama. 281 00:20:49,816 --> 00:20:51,951 But it also has a more practical function. 282 00:20:53,953 --> 00:20:57,390 It's a release of aggression between rival groups that might otherwise get into 283 00:20:57,424 --> 00:20:59,526 deadly disputes over land. 284 00:21:06,766 --> 00:21:10,136 -And so how do they know when it's done, when a Tinku is done? 285 00:21:11,003 --> 00:21:12,939 -They get exhausted, or someone is bleeding. 286 00:21:14,941 --> 00:21:16,676 In that case they stop. 287 00:21:19,846 --> 00:21:23,383 MORGAN: As the day and the drinking go on, larger groups start to brawl. 288 00:21:25,184 --> 00:21:28,888 Eventually, the police step in, firing tear gas to stop the Tinku 289 00:21:29,322 --> 00:21:31,658 from getting out of control. 290 00:21:33,393 --> 00:21:35,628 -So, there was a lot of aggression out there and it, it looked really chaotic and 291 00:21:35,662 --> 00:21:37,597 there was a lot of violence. 292 00:21:37,630 --> 00:21:40,667 Do you think that that helps the communities maintain peace between one another, 293 00:21:41,534 --> 00:21:42,535 over the year? 294 00:21:42,569 --> 00:21:44,437 -Yes of course. 295 00:21:44,471 --> 00:21:49,308 If they don't have the Tinku, they go out, without liberating their energy. 296 00:21:50,543 --> 00:21:53,846 So today, people return back to home satisfied. 297 00:21:55,848 --> 00:21:59,752 -And that helps prevent these other uncontrolled acts of violence in some ways? 298 00:21:59,986 --> 00:22:02,054 -Yeah, yeah, yeah, it helps yes. 299 00:22:04,724 --> 00:22:06,859 -Tinku may sound brutal. 300 00:22:08,060 --> 00:22:10,062 Violence for violence sake. 301 00:22:10,530 --> 00:22:12,765 But it gives the Quechua a way to work with human nature. 302 00:22:14,701 --> 00:22:18,104 It provides an outlet for the aggressions that build up inside all of us. 303 00:22:19,906 --> 00:22:21,874 I think it's pretty ingenious. 304 00:22:23,743 --> 00:22:28,080 Instead of letting tensions boil over into all-out war, once a year, 305 00:22:29,582 --> 00:22:32,251 they get it out of their system. 306 00:22:34,687 --> 00:22:37,524 Could the Quechua model for keeping the peace work elsewhere? 307 00:22:39,726 --> 00:22:43,730 Sadly, the gulf between warring factions in many parts of the world seems too great. 308 00:22:45,364 --> 00:22:48,267 Their only apparent pathway to peace is segregation. 309 00:22:56,075 --> 00:22:59,211 I'm on my way to Belfast, to Northern Ireland. 310 00:23:01,313 --> 00:23:04,551 For hundreds of years Ireland has been ground zero in a struggle of loyalties to 311 00:23:04,584 --> 00:23:07,086 religion and nation. 312 00:23:08,488 --> 00:23:12,124 On the one side, Catholics, who want to join the Republic of Ireland. 313 00:23:13,893 --> 00:23:17,730 On the other, Protestants, loyal to the United Kingdom. 314 00:23:19,398 --> 00:23:23,770 Between 1968 and 1998, in a period known as "The Troubles," 315 00:23:24,971 --> 00:23:27,273 more than 3,000 people were killed. 316 00:23:30,477 --> 00:23:34,814 To stem the terrible violence of the troubles, over 100 walls like this were put up 317 00:23:34,847 --> 00:23:38,851 across Northern Ireland, segregating Catholic and Protestant neighborhoods. 318 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,955 When the war ended in 1998 the walls remained. 319 00:23:44,791 --> 00:23:48,528 Warring sides divided brought an end to war but, is that the same as peace? 320 00:23:51,764 --> 00:23:55,034 I'm meeting a man who has lived his whole life in the shadow of one of these walls. 321 00:23:56,469 --> 00:23:59,171 His name is Daniel Walsh. 322 00:23:59,205 --> 00:24:01,474 -Hi Morgan nice to meet ya. -Hi, Daniel, how are you man? 323 00:24:01,508 --> 00:24:03,342 -Yeah, all good, yeah. -That's great. 324 00:24:03,375 --> 00:24:05,111 So this is the peace wall? 325 00:24:05,144 --> 00:24:08,014 -This is what's known as the interface, between the two communities. 326 00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:10,349 -Interface between the Protestants and the Catholics? 327 00:24:10,382 --> 00:24:11,784 -And the Catholics, yes. 328 00:24:11,818 --> 00:24:13,586 -And which side of the wall are we on now? 329 00:24:13,620 --> 00:24:15,955 -We're on the national side, the Catholic side. 330 00:24:15,988 --> 00:24:17,657 -The Catholic side, the National side. 331 00:24:17,690 --> 00:24:20,459 So, you've never not known this wall? 332 00:24:21,561 --> 00:24:23,429 -It's all I've known. 333 00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:25,532 -It is put up for protection? -Yes. 334 00:24:25,565 --> 00:24:28,501 -To protect you or from them, or them from you? 335 00:24:28,535 --> 00:24:29,936 -You could say from both. 336 00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:31,437 It's not all one sided. 337 00:24:31,470 --> 00:24:33,673 -But is there much violence that goes on now? 338 00:24:33,706 --> 00:24:36,976 -There were attacks ranging from golf balls to glass bottles 339 00:24:37,744 --> 00:24:40,146 paint bombs around here. 340 00:24:40,179 --> 00:24:42,549 There was one time where my one year old son, 341 00:24:42,582 --> 00:24:44,216 brought him out to the door for some fresh air and 342 00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:46,553 we were standing here and I had him in me arms. 343 00:24:46,586 --> 00:24:49,656 And there was a guy across the street who is not my biggest fan. 344 00:24:50,923 --> 00:24:52,825 -Across the street in one of those windows or? 345 00:24:52,859 --> 00:24:54,861 -Yeah, he had a clear view of myself and my son. 346 00:24:54,894 --> 00:24:56,629 A few minutes later he had a large piece of masonry, 347 00:24:56,663 --> 00:24:58,898 had come over and just bounced off my roof there. 348 00:25:00,667 --> 00:25:03,369 And it landed not too far away from me with the intent of doing some damage 349 00:25:03,402 --> 00:25:05,538 to myself or my son. 350 00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:08,074 And luckily it landed you know, away from us. 351 00:25:11,844 --> 00:25:13,913 MORGAN: Daniel got tired of the simmering conflict. 352 00:25:15,181 --> 00:25:17,984 So he enrolled in a program that put together people living 353 00:25:18,017 --> 00:25:19,752 on opposite sides of the walls. 354 00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:23,422 He has struck a friendship with a Protestant woman, 355 00:25:24,691 --> 00:25:27,727 something that is not only rare, but even dangerous in Northern Ireland. 356 00:25:29,261 --> 00:25:31,931 I don't know your name. 357 00:25:31,964 --> 00:25:34,767 I'm not gonna show your face. 358 00:25:34,801 --> 00:25:36,736 And I'm disguising your voice. 359 00:25:36,769 --> 00:25:39,639 -Yep. -Why is that? 360 00:25:42,274 --> 00:25:45,578 -Some people don't like the idea of Protestant and Catholic being together. 361 00:25:47,413 --> 00:25:51,250 And they've seen that I got too friendly with the Catholic people. 362 00:25:52,585 --> 00:25:55,154 They came to my house and threatened me, I was homeless for six months, 363 00:25:55,622 --> 00:25:57,957 I had to move. 364 00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:00,026 -This isn't a couple of neighbors coming round and saying we're 365 00:26:00,059 --> 00:26:01,360 not happy with this. 366 00:26:01,393 --> 00:26:06,165 This is sinister people with violence in their mind. 367 00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:11,237 -Do you think you could have been seriously harmed? -Yes. 368 00:26:11,270 --> 00:26:13,239 -Just by having a Catholic friend? -Yes. 369 00:26:15,241 --> 00:26:17,810 -Tell me about who you are yourself? 370 00:26:17,844 --> 00:26:19,578 As much as you can? 371 00:26:19,612 --> 00:26:21,513 -I'm a Protestant. 372 00:26:23,449 --> 00:26:25,685 I was 11 year old when the trouble started. 373 00:26:27,987 --> 00:26:32,458 I've seen a few people being shot and another person, his head was blown off. 374 00:26:33,860 --> 00:26:35,862 It was very, very hard growing up in those days. 375 00:26:36,963 --> 00:26:38,998 -What did you think about Catholics? 376 00:26:40,032 --> 00:26:42,501 -When I was young I never liked them because, I never really knew them. 377 00:26:44,036 --> 00:26:46,005 -What about you Daniel? 378 00:26:46,038 --> 00:26:49,275 Did you grow up with an idea about Protestants? 379 00:26:49,308 --> 00:26:54,013 -They were, not so much the enemy but, they certainly weren't your friend. 380 00:26:56,849 --> 00:27:01,821 -The Good Friday Accord signed in 1998 to all intents and purposes, 381 00:27:03,555 --> 00:27:07,326 that would end the violence between Catholics and Protestants in Ireland. 382 00:27:08,995 --> 00:27:11,030 But it didn't. 383 00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:12,932 -Why do you think it didn't? 384 00:27:12,965 --> 00:27:15,001 -That should have been it. 385 00:27:15,034 --> 00:27:19,038 But you still have elements who don't want to be seen as giving in to the other side. 386 00:27:19,906 --> 00:27:26,045 -There was families that their loved ones was murdered through the troubles and it's 387 00:27:26,078 --> 00:27:28,681 harder for them to forgive. 388 00:27:30,216 --> 00:27:33,786 -The Good Friday Agreement was a nice idea um, on paper. 389 00:27:33,820 --> 00:27:37,656 But totally left behind were the people in the communities who were suffering 390 00:27:37,690 --> 00:27:39,491 and are still suffering. 391 00:27:39,525 --> 00:27:42,328 There was no effort at all to bring those people together. 392 00:27:43,229 --> 00:27:45,998 -What do you hope for Ireland? 393 00:27:46,833 --> 00:27:50,369 -Well it's education and having both communities being, 394 00:27:50,402 --> 00:27:53,439 and working together from the very outset of life. 395 00:27:55,174 --> 00:27:57,643 It's much, much harder as adults to bring people together when they're 396 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:00,412 brainwashed to think a certain way. 397 00:28:00,446 --> 00:28:02,849 -Catholic and Protestant are not enemies. 398 00:28:03,916 --> 00:28:06,552 We're human. 399 00:28:07,219 --> 00:28:11,924 -Well I can see that that would be a big wish, from both of your sides. 400 00:28:13,459 --> 00:28:15,061 I want to thank you both very, very much. 401 00:28:15,762 --> 00:28:17,730 Particularly you. 402 00:28:17,764 --> 00:28:19,398 -Thank you. -I hope we're not blowing your cover. 403 00:28:24,636 --> 00:28:27,406 Robert Frost wrote "good fences make good neighbors." 404 00:28:28,875 --> 00:28:32,044 But I don't think he was imagining a 30 foot barricade. 405 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:37,416 Daniel's house was attacked. 406 00:28:37,449 --> 00:28:40,252 His Protestant friend fled her home. 407 00:28:41,921 --> 00:28:48,060 But, as long as there are people like them, people who dare to cross the 408 00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:51,397 divide I believe, there is hope for peace. 409 00:28:53,499 --> 00:28:56,335 I think their simple act of friendship, and others like it, 410 00:28:58,337 --> 00:29:01,107 will eventually tear down this wall. 411 00:29:05,244 --> 00:29:09,448 Northern Ireland isn't alone in equating the separation of warring sides with peace. 412 00:29:12,118 --> 00:29:14,787 This uneasy form of peace exists even where there are no walls. 413 00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:20,092 For decades, we've maintained global peace by the threat of a war 414 00:29:20,126 --> 00:29:22,628 that would destroy us all. 415 00:29:22,661 --> 00:29:24,931 But can this nuclear peace last? 416 00:29:36,943 --> 00:29:39,946 MORGAN: I went to a school like this back in the 50s. 417 00:29:41,113 --> 00:29:43,649 The dawn of the Cold War. 418 00:29:44,383 --> 00:29:47,553 Back then, children all over the country were taught "duck and cover" drills. 419 00:29:49,688 --> 00:29:53,292 As if hiding under your desk would protect you from a nuclear attack. 420 00:29:54,961 --> 00:29:56,863 Well thankfully, the bombs never came. 421 00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:02,835 Many did say that that's because, nuclear weapons were entirely too destructive. 422 00:30:04,703 --> 00:30:07,373 The threat of total annihilation kept global peace. 423 00:30:09,575 --> 00:30:11,810 And it worked during the Cold War. 424 00:30:13,145 --> 00:30:15,247 But how long will it keep working? 425 00:30:18,584 --> 00:30:23,289 To answer that question, I'm traveling to London to meet Nobel Peace Prize winner, 426 00:30:23,322 --> 00:30:25,591 Doctor Mohammed ElBaradei. 427 00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,629 As the Director of the International Atomic Energy Agency, 428 00:30:30,662 --> 00:30:34,500 he was responsible for UN nuclear weapons inspections. 429 00:30:36,235 --> 00:30:40,272 This included determining whether Iraq had nuclear weapons in 2003. 430 00:30:42,508 --> 00:30:47,146 -We have to date found no evidence that Iraq has revived its nuclear weapon program 431 00:30:47,179 --> 00:30:49,715 since the elimination of the program in the 1990s. 432 00:30:51,750 --> 00:30:55,254 MORGAN: We decided to meet for our discussion of global brinkmanship at 433 00:30:55,287 --> 00:30:58,557 Bellerby and Company, a maker of hand crafted globes. 434 00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:05,431 Could you just show me, how many countries we know, 435 00:31:05,764 --> 00:31:07,934 have nuclear weapons? 436 00:31:07,967 --> 00:31:11,237 -We have nine for sure. -Yeah. 437 00:31:11,270 --> 00:31:13,539 -We have the United States. -Hmm, hmm. 438 00:31:13,572 --> 00:31:16,008 -Then, Russia. 439 00:31:16,042 --> 00:31:18,477 Together they have 90% of the nuclear weapons. 440 00:31:19,378 --> 00:31:20,679 90%. 441 00:31:20,712 --> 00:31:21,847 -These two... 442 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,383 -And then, United Kingdom, France. 443 00:31:24,416 --> 00:31:26,285 And then we go to China. 444 00:31:27,153 --> 00:31:30,156 India, Pakistan, then Israel. 445 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:32,758 -Israel. -North Korea. 446 00:31:32,791 --> 00:31:36,728 So these are the nine we know for sure they have nuclear weapons. 447 00:31:37,997 --> 00:31:41,567 We have two or three we have discovered who were cheating, you know like Iraq and Libya. 448 00:31:42,768 --> 00:31:45,271 You know unfortunately, they try to do what the big boys do. 449 00:31:46,838 --> 00:31:49,041 Which is develop this horrible weapons. 450 00:31:49,075 --> 00:31:51,310 -Get a big stick. -Absolutely. 451 00:31:55,781 --> 00:32:00,452 -Now there are some politicians, generals, 452 00:32:02,454 --> 00:32:07,826 who will say that we are ultimately safer in the world because of nuclear weapons. 453 00:32:09,428 --> 00:32:11,630 Nobody dares use them. 454 00:32:13,132 --> 00:32:17,703 -The risk that they will be used through miscalculation, through human error. 455 00:32:18,637 --> 00:32:21,007 Through unauthorized use. 456 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,609 Through extremists getting their hand on a nuclear weapon, 457 00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:26,945 is higher by the day. 458 00:32:26,979 --> 00:32:30,549 -What are the odds of us surviving as we are with the nuclear weapons? 459 00:32:32,218 --> 00:32:36,055 -Bill Perry, Secretary of Defense of the US said to this day, 460 00:32:37,556 --> 00:32:41,427 that we manage to avoid nuclear catastrophe by 461 00:32:41,460 --> 00:32:43,962 good luck rather than good management. 462 00:32:45,031 --> 00:32:48,534 We might be able to make it five, ten, 20 years, you know. 463 00:32:49,235 --> 00:32:50,669 -But eventually... 464 00:32:50,702 --> 00:32:53,539 -But eventually, chickens are coming home to roost. 465 00:32:58,510 --> 00:33:02,814 -Mohamed spent his career trying to stave off one nuclear escalation after another. 466 00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:08,020 But he retains a glimmer of hope for peace. 467 00:33:09,421 --> 00:33:12,091 Ever since the beginning of mankind, we've been at war. 468 00:33:13,092 --> 00:33:14,593 Biblically there's Cain and Abel. 469 00:33:15,394 --> 00:33:17,329 Do you think we'll ever be able to overcome that part of our 470 00:33:17,363 --> 00:33:22,768 genetic structure that makes us, war like? 471 00:33:23,935 --> 00:33:26,405 -I have to believe that we can. 472 00:33:26,438 --> 00:33:30,542 You know I have to believe in the goodness of human spirit you know. 473 00:33:31,343 --> 00:33:33,545 -The interconnectivity that we have today due to technology, 474 00:33:34,380 --> 00:33:36,348 isn't that going to be of some use to us? 475 00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:37,583 -I think so. 476 00:33:37,616 --> 00:33:39,751 We have to talk to each other. 477 00:33:39,785 --> 00:33:42,188 We have to educate each other. 478 00:33:42,221 --> 00:33:44,756 We have to understand each other. 479 00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:48,060 If I look at young people now, you know, I have hope you know. 480 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:54,066 They are color blind, religious blind, ethnic blind, that they would treat each 481 00:33:54,100 --> 00:33:57,103 other as part of the same human family. 482 00:33:57,969 --> 00:34:03,609 That if somebody dies in Darfur, I will react the same way if somebody dies in LA. 483 00:34:04,776 --> 00:34:07,113 The same day we will end nuclear weapons. 484 00:34:08,046 --> 00:34:10,216 -I'm in agreement, thank you so much. 485 00:34:10,249 --> 00:34:12,118 -Thanks, thanks a lot. 486 00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:19,925 -I find Dr. ElBaradei's perspective on nuclear conflict very sobering. 487 00:34:22,628 --> 00:34:26,832 We are only here because of good luck, not good management. 488 00:34:28,734 --> 00:34:34,140 But, Mohammed has hope, that our children and their children will bring 489 00:34:34,173 --> 00:34:36,808 about fundamental change. 490 00:34:36,842 --> 00:34:39,778 That they will create a world, not of fear and oppression. 491 00:34:41,580 --> 00:34:44,150 But of hope and dignity. 492 00:34:44,983 --> 00:34:49,788 A world where borders don't exist, I share that hope. 493 00:34:55,427 --> 00:34:59,598 But how do we make this monumental transition from war to peace? 494 00:35:10,776 --> 00:35:13,512 If there's one place on earth that might serve as a test case, 495 00:35:14,980 --> 00:35:17,149 it's Rwanda. 496 00:35:17,849 --> 00:35:21,620 Just over two decades ago, a horrifying genocide took place here. 497 00:35:24,723 --> 00:35:29,695 On April 6th, 1994, Rwandan President Juvenal Habyarimana 498 00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:32,464 was killed when his plane was shot down. 499 00:35:34,733 --> 00:35:38,704 This event added fuel to the long simmering tension between the country's 500 00:35:38,737 --> 00:35:42,341 two major ethnic groups, the Hutus and the Tutsis. 501 00:35:43,875 --> 00:35:46,345 The majority of Hutus blamed the death of the Hutu president 502 00:35:46,378 --> 00:35:48,146 on the minority Tutsis. 503 00:35:51,016 --> 00:35:55,387 The ensuing conflict lasted only 100 days, but it claimed a million lives, 504 00:35:56,355 --> 00:35:58,424 one tenth of the population. 505 00:36:02,828 --> 00:36:05,731 The genocide ended when Tutsi General Paul Kagame's 506 00:36:05,764 --> 00:36:08,667 rebel forces seized the capital Kigali. 507 00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:14,506 Six years later, Kagame was elected President, an office he still holds. 508 00:36:16,575 --> 00:36:19,611 And today, more than two decades on from the genocide, 509 00:36:20,712 --> 00:36:23,582 there has been no return to violence. 510 00:36:23,615 --> 00:36:25,417 I want to understand why? 511 00:36:26,252 --> 00:36:28,687 And the President agreed to talk to me. 512 00:36:29,721 --> 00:36:34,560 During the genocide, Hutus systematically attacked the Tutsis. 513 00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:41,032 You're seeing a lot of the murders and atrocities that had 514 00:36:41,066 --> 00:36:43,635 been committed against the Tutsis. 515 00:36:45,971 --> 00:36:49,541 Didn't make you wanna do just a little revenge? 516 00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:57,449 -It caused a lot of anger against those who are doing it, absolutely. 517 00:36:59,050 --> 00:37:05,524 I wouldn't call it revenge as such but, it was driving me to 518 00:37:05,557 --> 00:37:07,959 say how fast can we rein these people in? 519 00:37:13,265 --> 00:37:19,338 -Do you think that justice and revenge are different? -They're different. 520 00:37:21,740 --> 00:37:26,077 They are different and in fact revenge may be justified, 521 00:37:26,111 --> 00:37:28,780 but it is not justice. 522 00:37:28,814 --> 00:37:31,216 Justice is something else. 523 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:35,687 Justice allows the aggrieved parties to get along. 524 00:37:36,688 --> 00:37:39,591 While revenge doesn't allow you to move on. 525 00:37:40,158 --> 00:37:43,362 It only allows and cause more revenge to happen. 526 00:37:44,162 --> 00:37:46,632 And then you are in a vicious circle. 527 00:37:49,134 --> 00:37:54,139 -Now you're making this argument in spite of your own family losses? 528 00:37:54,773 --> 00:37:56,141 -Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 529 00:37:56,174 --> 00:37:58,944 Many, many family members lost, absolutely. 530 00:38:00,979 --> 00:38:04,983 MORGAN: When Kagame became President in 2000 he began a nationwide program of 531 00:38:05,016 --> 00:38:07,653 reconciliation to try to heal the wounds of genocide. 532 00:38:09,355 --> 00:38:12,157 Well, you go right to work on reconciliation. 533 00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:15,627 -Right. -That had not happened before you? 534 00:38:15,661 --> 00:38:21,800 -We knew it would go nowhere unless we reversed the politics of hatred and... 535 00:38:21,833 --> 00:38:25,236 -Separation. -Separation and division and so on. 536 00:38:25,971 --> 00:38:28,306 So let's try something else. 537 00:38:28,874 --> 00:38:33,812 So let's agree that, irrespective of our differences, we can get along, 538 00:38:34,746 --> 00:38:37,549 we can work together. 539 00:38:37,583 --> 00:38:44,189 -Alright you teach the population how to forgive, overcome the idea of revenge. 540 00:38:45,223 --> 00:38:47,058 How do you go about doing that? 541 00:38:47,092 --> 00:38:51,763 -We must do something that allows people to build and hopeful for the future. 542 00:38:53,031 --> 00:38:55,934 We went to the homes of our citizens. 543 00:38:57,002 --> 00:39:00,238 And reconciliation was kind of a conversation, it was a discussion. 544 00:39:01,006 --> 00:39:04,443 Look, we have a lot of places to point fingers, but that doesn't help. 545 00:39:06,612 --> 00:39:10,281 What helps is confronting this situation as we should. 546 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:20,826 MORGAN: President Kagame's bold efforts to bring peace to Rwanda have included 547 00:39:20,859 --> 00:39:25,230 limiting freedom of speech and the press and suppressing political opponents. 548 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:32,037 But I'm told his reconciliation program has touched the lives 549 00:39:32,070 --> 00:39:33,639 of millions of Rwandans. 550 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:36,442 I want to meet some of them. 551 00:39:37,308 --> 00:39:41,246 I was connected with Mariya Izagiriza and Filbert Ntezirizaza, 552 00:39:42,981 --> 00:39:46,251 who were introduced several years ago by Bishop Deo Gashagaza. 553 00:39:48,253 --> 00:39:50,656 I'm meeting them at the Kigali Genocide Memorial. 554 00:39:54,325 --> 00:39:56,294 Tutsi. 555 00:39:56,327 --> 00:39:57,529 Hutu. 556 00:39:57,563 --> 00:39:58,564 -Yes. 557 00:39:58,597 --> 00:40:00,899 -Filbert, Mariya, see I know all that. 558 00:40:03,001 --> 00:40:08,440 So, I would like you Mariya to tell me as much as you can remember, 559 00:40:09,841 --> 00:40:15,681 about what happened to you in 1994? 560 00:40:17,783 --> 00:40:20,351 (speaking in native language). 561 00:40:38,804 --> 00:40:41,306 MORGAN: As they fled from the killers Mariya's family got separated. 562 00:40:43,041 --> 00:40:46,011 Her husband and brother-in-law ran off with two of their sons. 563 00:40:47,813 --> 00:40:51,149 Mariya took her infant daughter, young son and her step daughter. 564 00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:59,925 -You ran and hid? 565 00:40:59,958 --> 00:41:01,793 You hid in the bushes, is that right? 566 00:41:01,827 --> 00:41:04,129 -Yes. 567 00:41:04,162 --> 00:41:07,566 MORGAN: Mariya spent five days in the bush, with the children before they escaped. 568 00:41:09,635 --> 00:41:13,071 They walked for a week until they made it to safety, in neighboring Burundi. 569 00:41:15,173 --> 00:41:18,844 Did you ever see your husband and family again? 570 00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,347 (speaking in native language). 571 00:41:29,821 --> 00:41:33,224 Filbert, what do you know about her husband children? 572 00:41:34,392 --> 00:41:36,995 (speaking in native language). 573 00:41:58,584 --> 00:42:02,020 -The genocide in Rwanda in 1994 shocked the world. 574 00:42:03,889 --> 00:42:07,225 But the outbursts of murder was the result of decades of divisive politics 575 00:42:07,258 --> 00:42:08,994 in the country. 576 00:42:09,027 --> 00:42:12,898 People had been indoctrinated to believe that Hutus and Tutsis, 577 00:42:12,931 --> 00:42:15,200 were natural enemies. 578 00:42:15,801 --> 00:42:19,537 Filbert, a Hutu was involved with a group that killed Mariya's husband and sons, 579 00:42:20,538 --> 00:42:22,407 who were Tutsis. 580 00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,876 -Filbert killed her relatives? -Yes. 581 00:42:24,910 --> 00:42:28,914 (speaking in native language). 582 00:42:40,091 --> 00:42:42,594 MORGAN: Filbert joined a local Hutu militia. 583 00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:48,433 Along with nine other men, he set up an ambush near Mariya's village to catch Tutsis 584 00:42:48,466 --> 00:42:50,636 fleeing from the violence. 585 00:42:53,338 --> 00:42:56,574 They captured Mariya's husband, brother-in-law, and the two boys. 586 00:42:58,343 --> 00:43:01,179 They took them to a quarry, and threw them to their deaths. 587 00:43:12,924 --> 00:43:15,360 -How does it happen that the two of you are together? 588 00:43:39,384 --> 00:43:43,989 -Filbert came to you, to ask forgiveness. 589 00:43:45,891 --> 00:43:47,592 Is that so? 590 00:43:47,625 --> 00:43:50,796 (speaking in native language). 591 00:44:10,215 --> 00:44:12,751 -So it sounds like we're talking about forgiveness here. 592 00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,256 But, was it like that? 593 00:44:26,397 --> 00:44:27,866 -Two years? -Yes. 594 00:44:27,899 --> 00:44:30,035 -Here we are today, what do we have? 595 00:44:30,068 --> 00:44:32,237 (speaking in native language). 596 00:44:36,875 --> 00:44:38,710 -She smiles. 597 00:44:38,744 --> 00:44:41,579 (speaking in native language). 598 00:44:53,558 --> 00:44:55,093 -Same with you? 599 00:45:01,733 --> 00:45:05,236 -On the one hand, awful. 600 00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:08,206 And on the other hand it is a wonderful story. 601 00:45:09,574 --> 00:45:12,110 It gives hope to all mankind. 602 00:45:13,879 --> 00:45:17,382 (singing in native language) 603 00:45:22,287 --> 00:45:25,256 Mariya and Filbert now live as neighbors in a specially created 604 00:45:25,290 --> 00:45:28,126 reconciliation village. 605 00:45:28,159 --> 00:45:32,630 It's a place designed to forge real bonds between victims and perpetrators of the genocide. 606 00:45:34,432 --> 00:45:38,937 Filbert helps Mariya with her farm, and they spend time together, as friends. 607 00:45:43,008 --> 00:45:47,412 Walking around the genocide memorial makes me realize the enormous human toll 608 00:45:47,445 --> 00:45:49,781 of this conflict. 609 00:45:49,815 --> 00:45:53,651 And that there are hundreds of thousands of stories like Mariya, and Filbert's. 610 00:45:56,287 --> 00:45:58,790 What happened in Rwanda is one of humanity's great tragedies. 611 00:45:59,858 --> 00:46:02,193 It is also a source of great hope. 612 00:46:03,361 --> 00:46:06,664 A country can recover from civil war. 613 00:46:06,697 --> 00:46:09,767 People can reconcile, even after genocide. 614 00:46:11,502 --> 00:46:14,873 Forgiveness, that takes great sacrifice and courage. 615 00:46:16,341 --> 00:46:18,243 From the President. 616 00:46:18,276 --> 00:46:24,215 From Mariya and Filbert, and the millions of others, who put aside revenge, 617 00:46:25,650 --> 00:46:27,152 to embrace peace. 618 00:46:33,158 --> 00:46:36,327 War has been around ever since we've had to share resources like, 619 00:46:36,361 --> 00:46:40,631 land, food, water. 620 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,369 I don't think the end of war is imminent. 621 00:46:45,736 --> 00:46:48,206 But what I've learned from the remarkable people that I have met, 622 00:46:49,540 --> 00:46:52,077 is that we have to get better at making peace. 623 00:46:53,845 --> 00:46:57,648 When the bloodshed ends, and the dust settles over shattered homes, 624 00:46:58,683 --> 00:47:00,485 we must do everything we can to resist taking revenge, 625 00:47:01,552 --> 00:47:05,891 and instead search for our own humanity. 626 00:47:05,924 --> 00:47:11,729 After all, we are the species that thrives on cooperation. 627 00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:15,500 It's what we've always done best. 628 00:47:15,934 --> 00:47:17,168 Captioned by Cotter Captioning Services. 55711

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