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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:52,469 --> 00:00:55,973 You'll find that drivers are a very happy lot of people 2 00:00:56,098 --> 00:00:59,693 because they appreciate life far more than the average man does. 3 00:01:03,939 --> 00:01:06,567 A driver usually gets killed on a Sunday 4 00:01:06,692 --> 00:01:08,365 and if he's a close friend of yours, well, 5 00:01:08,485 --> 00:01:13,616 you think what a stupid sport this is and you think seriously of giving it up. 6 00:01:13,740 --> 00:01:16,584 Then on Monday you think, well, maybe he was just unlucky. 7 00:01:16,702 --> 00:01:19,330 Maybe I shouldn't give it up yet. I'll give it up next year. 8 00:01:19,454 --> 00:01:24,460 Then on a Tuesday you start thinking about, now, there's a race next Sunday, 9 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:28,134 maybe I'll go. Then on Wednesday you go to the race. 10 00:01:34,761 --> 00:01:36,183 Enzo Ferrari once said, 11 00:01:36,304 --> 00:01:39,649 "Win or die, you'll be immortal," talking to his drivers, 12 00:01:39,766 --> 00:01:43,771 and of course he's right because every time I go to a Grand Prix 13 00:01:43,895 --> 00:01:48,651 those essences are part of what makes the sport what it is. 14 00:01:48,775 --> 00:01:51,745 Without drivers like Mike Hawthorn and Peter Collins, 15 00:01:51,862 --> 00:01:54,115 it would be all the poorer. 16 00:01:56,533 --> 00:02:00,458 The Ferrari name is very important to Formula One today 17 00:02:00,579 --> 00:02:03,378 because it's a symbol of the history of the sport 18 00:02:03,498 --> 00:02:05,876 that was once the most dangerous sport on earth 19 00:02:06,001 --> 00:02:09,756 and still trades on those associations of risk and glamour. 20 00:02:10,380 --> 00:02:12,257 We think these guys must be daredevils 21 00:02:12,382 --> 00:02:14,976 because Collins and Hawthorn were daredevils. 22 00:02:18,013 --> 00:02:23,486 I look back on it now and I just perceive them, the drivers of the time, 23 00:02:23,602 --> 00:02:25,946 as an entirely different breed. 24 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:32,486 Controlling this powerful beast under your rear, 25 00:02:32,611 --> 00:02:34,864 balancing this car on this tightrope, 26 00:02:34,988 --> 00:02:37,662 and taking the best line through the corner, 27 00:02:37,783 --> 00:02:39,911 this gave you a sense of ecstasy. 28 00:02:46,208 --> 00:02:50,054 It was an era of great glamour and great risk. 29 00:02:50,170 --> 00:02:52,468 These men went out to drive these red cars 30 00:02:52,589 --> 00:02:55,183 not knowing whether they would come back alive. 31 00:02:56,259 --> 00:03:00,435 Mike Hawthorn described how we, as young men, 32 00:03:00,555 --> 00:03:03,729 were all willing to jump into the cooking pot 33 00:03:03,850 --> 00:03:08,151 under which Mr Ferrari kept the fire stoked. 34 00:03:09,731 --> 00:03:13,156 When it came to running drivers, Ferrari's approach was 35 00:03:13,276 --> 00:03:16,280 the more pressure you put on them, and the more unsettled they feel, 36 00:03:16,404 --> 00:03:17,826 the faster they will go. 37 00:03:19,533 --> 00:03:25,131 These guys were experiencing the buzz of competition in cars, 38 00:03:25,247 --> 00:03:30,799 but they were subjecting themselves willingly to all the attached dangers. 39 00:03:57,237 --> 00:04:02,710 There is something about the motor racing world 40 00:04:02,826 --> 00:04:06,126 that, as far as we were concerned, 41 00:04:06,246 --> 00:04:11,218 when catastrophes would happen we would kind of just carry on 42 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:13,928 and not let it get us down. 43 00:04:14,045 --> 00:04:17,174 And I think that was the attitude of a lot of people then. 44 00:04:26,766 --> 00:04:30,487 Fear is really a lack of understanding of what is happening, 45 00:04:30,604 --> 00:04:32,072 like a child frightened of the dark 46 00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:33,986 'cause you don't understand what's there. 47 00:04:34,107 --> 00:04:36,986 I am not normally afraid of killing myself. 48 00:04:37,110 --> 00:04:41,832 I am frightened of being killed by something over which I have no control. 49 00:04:52,334 --> 00:04:55,258 The great thing about Mike Hawthorn and Peter Collins 50 00:04:55,378 --> 00:05:01,306 is that they would do what land speed record-breaker John Cobb described. 51 00:05:02,385 --> 00:05:04,058 He said, "It's pretty much akin 52 00:05:04,179 --> 00:05:09,185 to seeing how far you can lean out of the window before you finally fall out." 53 00:05:09,726 --> 00:05:13,572 And that's what those boys with Ferrari did in the 1950s. 54 00:05:14,481 --> 00:05:19,487 They willingly leant out of the window as far as they possibly could 55 00:05:20,403 --> 00:05:25,580 and a few of them, and in retrospect far too many, fell out. 56 00:05:49,057 --> 00:05:51,606 At age ten you watched your first race. 57 00:05:51,726 --> 00:05:54,070 How did you experience that moment? 58 00:05:54,187 --> 00:05:57,441 I was shaking like a boy 59 00:05:57,565 --> 00:06:00,694 who is dreaming of having the chance, one day, 60 00:06:00,819 --> 00:06:03,572 to take part in that competition. 61 00:06:05,031 --> 00:06:07,329 Ferrari had a difficult early life. 62 00:06:07,450 --> 00:06:13,082 His father died when he was quite young and then his only brother also died, 63 00:06:13,206 --> 00:06:18,838 leaving him more or less alone when he was still in his teens. 64 00:06:19,713 --> 00:06:21,807 But he was very keen on cars. 65 00:06:21,923 --> 00:06:25,723 So when he had to make his own way in the world, 66 00:06:25,844 --> 00:06:31,066 cars and motor racing were the things that attracted him most. 67 00:06:32,892 --> 00:06:35,361 What mattered the most in your life, 68 00:06:35,478 --> 00:06:38,527 your passion or the drive to succeed? 69 00:06:38,648 --> 00:06:41,322 Mostly, it was passion. 70 00:06:44,195 --> 00:06:46,038 What do you feel before the "Go"? 71 00:06:46,156 --> 00:06:48,579 Anxiety? Fear? 72 00:06:48,700 --> 00:06:53,297 Before the "Go", I feel... 73 00:06:53,413 --> 00:06:57,008 a mix of feelings, all of which disappear 74 00:06:57,125 --> 00:07:00,755 as soon as the race starts. 75 00:07:17,228 --> 00:07:20,323 The hero of the event was the brilliant young British driver, 76 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:21,692 Mike Hawthorn, number four. 77 00:07:40,460 --> 00:07:42,303 Peter Collins in the Ferrari 78 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,093 took and held the lead from the beginning. 79 00:07:44,798 --> 00:07:48,143 Enzo Ferrari was a great talent scout 80 00:07:48,259 --> 00:07:51,479 and after the war, although there were many good young Italian drivers, 81 00:07:51,596 --> 00:07:54,600 he'd spotted that there was a bunch of English drivers 82 00:07:54,724 --> 00:07:57,193 who were starting to do very well indeed. 83 00:07:58,061 --> 00:08:01,361 Hawthorn and Collins had some years between them. 84 00:08:01,481 --> 00:08:04,451 Mike was the older by two or three years. 85 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:10,825 He really made his name in the little Riley that was prepared by his father. 86 00:08:10,949 --> 00:08:13,668 Every time they went to a race meeting, 87 00:08:13,785 --> 00:08:17,881 here was a young man who expected to come away with a trophy. 88 00:08:19,165 --> 00:08:23,716 Peter, when he started racing with a 500cc Cooper 89 00:08:23,837 --> 00:08:27,842 that his father, Pat, bought for him, he was immediately quick 90 00:08:27,966 --> 00:08:30,685 and he was only 17 years old. 91 00:08:31,594 --> 00:08:35,644 Hawthorn and Collins met as rivals on the race track, 92 00:08:35,765 --> 00:08:38,268 but eventually when they both found themselves in Modena 93 00:08:38,393 --> 00:08:41,772 driving for Ferrari, they became enormous friends. 94 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:58,001 Mike was a sports-jacketed beer-drinking one of the lads. 95 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:08,216 He and Peter Collins were like a pair of rather irresponsible schoolboys. 96 00:09:08,339 --> 00:09:11,183 Tremendously fun-loving. 97 00:09:12,260 --> 00:09:14,058 Peter was a life enhancer. 98 00:09:14,179 --> 00:09:18,025 When he came into the room, things got jollier, noisier 99 00:09:18,141 --> 00:09:20,519 and altogether more entertaining. 100 00:09:22,854 --> 00:09:26,609 When I first met Mike he was tall, good-looking. 101 00:09:26,733 --> 00:09:31,409 I thought, "That's a lovely-looking man." So I set my heart on him. 102 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:38,879 He was a great character, a very flash sort of a guy, who was a lot of fun. 103 00:09:38,995 --> 00:09:43,296 I think he used motor racing as a stepping stone to enjoyment of life, 104 00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:46,135 whereas to me it was the life. 105 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:50,177 You were either a Hawthorn fan or a Moss fan. You couldn't really be both. 106 00:09:54,677 --> 00:09:59,057 Peter, in particular, I think, was very much a Boyk Own character 107 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:02,436 at what an exciting racing driver should be. 108 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:05,939 The girls loved him and I didn't see too great an effort on his part 109 00:10:06,064 --> 00:10:07,486 to fight them off. 110 00:10:08,858 --> 00:10:11,862 Mr Ferrari had always had a soft spot for the Brits. 111 00:10:11,986 --> 00:10:14,956 Mike went there and the old man was pretty impressed 112 00:10:15,073 --> 00:10:18,748 because here was somebody who was prepared to put it on the line 113 00:10:18,868 --> 00:10:22,247 and that was the sort of thrusting, aggressive young driver 114 00:10:22,372 --> 00:10:25,000 that Mr Ferrari really rated. 115 00:10:25,875 --> 00:10:30,255 When I was with Mike he just stood out amongst the others 116 00:10:30,380 --> 00:10:34,135 as being very beautiful. 117 00:10:36,302 --> 00:10:42,480 We were intoxicated by the atmosphere of these wonderful, wild men. 118 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:47,989 It was fun. It was like a big family. Everybody knew everybody. 119 00:10:48,106 --> 00:10:54,079 But it was dangerous and wherever you get danger, you get this thrill. 120 00:11:46,372 --> 00:11:49,216 Hawthorn did very well in his first spell with Ferrari. 121 00:11:49,334 --> 00:11:51,803 He won a couple of races, but then when his father was killed 122 00:11:51,919 --> 00:11:57,597 and he wanted to drive sports cars for Jaguar, he went back to England, 123 00:11:57,717 --> 00:12:00,015 and I think Ferrari was very disappointed by that. 124 00:12:00,136 --> 00:12:02,104 I'm sure he wanted to hang on to him. 125 00:12:04,932 --> 00:12:08,937 I think for most of the Grand Prix drivers, Le Mans was a bit of a bore 126 00:12:09,062 --> 00:12:13,158 because it was a test of the car, but not the driver. 127 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:15,026 And I think that Mike and Fangio 128 00:12:15,151 --> 00:12:18,872 got involved in what had become a Grand Prix more or less, 129 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:21,867 at the beginning of the race, so taking the boredom out of it. 130 00:12:21,991 --> 00:12:25,746 Drivers are requested to get to the places assigned to them. 131 00:12:27,538 --> 00:12:28,881 Stand by. 132 00:12:31,542 --> 00:12:37,140 Five, four, three, two, one, zero! 133 00:13:00,988 --> 00:13:04,492 Lap after lap, Hawthorn and Fangio, no more than yards apart, 134 00:13:04,617 --> 00:13:07,746 hold the crowd enthralled with an exhibition of driving skill 135 00:13:07,870 --> 00:13:10,123 no words can adequately describe. 136 00:13:20,133 --> 00:13:24,934 This battle royal that's been raging in those opening laps 137 00:13:25,054 --> 00:13:29,184 really reached a climax that was just more cataclysmic 138 00:13:29,308 --> 00:13:31,606 than anybody could possibly imagine. 139 00:13:32,270 --> 00:13:35,274 Everything went normally in practice 140 00:13:35,398 --> 00:13:39,574 and I was given the job of starting doing the first spell 141 00:13:39,694 --> 00:13:44,951 and I was actually out on the circuit when this dreadful accident happened. 142 00:13:45,074 --> 00:13:48,999 Coming out of the White House bends and up towards the pits, 143 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:54,502 Mike saw the opportunity to lap one more car 144 00:13:54,625 --> 00:13:59,802 before he pulled across to the right and braked for his scheduled pit stop. 145 00:14:00,423 --> 00:14:06,146 That one last car was the Works' Austin-Healey driven by Lance Macklin. 146 00:14:07,513 --> 00:14:10,938 Trouble was that race was the first time the new rule had come in 147 00:14:11,058 --> 00:14:13,607 where you had to change the driver every two hours. 148 00:14:13,728 --> 00:14:17,653 So Mike knew that another lap would have taken him over the two hours. 149 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:23,413 In braking hard, Lance Macklin pulled out very sharply to the left 150 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:26,123 to avoid the back of Mike's Jaguar. 151 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:32,673 There's an almighty bang and Levegh's car came sort of right over the top. 152 00:14:32,788 --> 00:14:35,211 His wheel came right past my left ear 153 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:39,463 and I could feel the heat of his exhaust as he went by he was so close. 154 00:14:51,974 --> 00:14:55,979 Levegh ran up the sloping tail of the Austin-Healey, 155 00:14:56,938 --> 00:15:00,693 flew best part of 100 yards completely airborne 156 00:15:00,816 --> 00:15:06,539 and then crashed belly-first on to the top edge of the safety bank 157 00:15:06,656 --> 00:15:08,124 in front of him. 158 00:15:08,241 --> 00:15:12,621 Approaching the pits I saw a blue flag out, so I eased off 159 00:15:12,745 --> 00:15:16,545 and of course I came across this absolute chaos. 160 00:15:29,262 --> 00:15:33,267 When Levegh's Mercedes hit the top edge of the bank 161 00:15:33,391 --> 00:15:38,272 the chassis sheared and the entire front end assembly 162 00:15:38,396 --> 00:15:40,148 was hurled through the crowd 163 00:15:40,273 --> 00:15:43,277 and it went through the crowd like a torpedo. 164 00:15:44,277 --> 00:15:48,703 And it killed over 80 of them and it injured over 100 more. 165 00:15:48,823 --> 00:15:51,997 There were even children in the front row 166 00:15:52,118 --> 00:15:54,462 who'd been put there for the best view 167 00:15:54,579 --> 00:15:59,050 and they were right in the firing line of the wreckage that tore through them. 168 00:16:01,836 --> 00:16:05,636 What most people didn't realize was that it was on such a grand scale 169 00:16:05,881 --> 00:16:09,431 and why the organizers had decided to continue the race 170 00:16:09,552 --> 00:16:14,729 was to enable them to get the emergency vehicles away from the circuit. 171 00:16:17,435 --> 00:16:19,938 I hadn't seen anything of the accident as such 172 00:16:20,062 --> 00:16:22,315 because where I ended up was about 200 or 300 yards 173 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:23,737 from where the accident was. 174 00:16:24,567 --> 00:16:27,696 I could see the car burning on the side of the track, 175 00:16:27,820 --> 00:16:30,164 but at least I thought it didn't go in the crowd. 176 00:16:32,325 --> 00:16:34,748 I went into the Austin-Healey pit 177 00:16:34,869 --> 00:16:37,839 and Donald Healey told me that Mike had come in 178 00:16:37,955 --> 00:16:41,255 and said to Lance, "Can you ever forgive me?" 179 00:16:42,585 --> 00:16:45,555 He literally sort of staggered across to where we were, 180 00:16:45,671 --> 00:16:49,096 tears pouring down his face, came up to me, put his arm over my shoulder, 181 00:16:49,216 --> 00:16:52,891 and said, "I've killed all these people. I'll never race again," and so on. 182 00:16:53,012 --> 00:16:55,686 A few hours later he was back in the car driving again. 183 00:17:10,780 --> 00:17:16,787 Hawthorn and Bueb drove a brilliant remaining part of the race to win. 184 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:19,789 And contemporary movie 185 00:17:19,914 --> 00:17:23,384 shows Mike very conflicted in his facial expressions 186 00:17:23,501 --> 00:17:26,596 about whether to enjoy this victory or not. 187 00:17:27,254 --> 00:17:31,009 But when he did break into a grin, 188 00:17:31,133 --> 00:17:34,262 stills photographers got that photograph 189 00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:39,393 and photographs of a beaming Mike Hawthorn, having just won at Le Mans, 190 00:17:39,517 --> 00:17:43,818 after the colossal tragedy that had marred the race, 191 00:17:43,938 --> 00:17:48,535 were used by the press to vilify Mike around the world. 192 00:17:51,612 --> 00:17:53,580 It did affect him terribly. 193 00:17:53,698 --> 00:17:57,419 He was desperately upset, but it wasn't actually his fault. 194 00:17:57,535 --> 00:18:01,711 I mean, he was exonerated and he shouldn't have to feel like that. 195 00:18:01,831 --> 00:18:07,838 He had this sort of air of devil-may-care, you know, attitude, 196 00:18:07,962 --> 00:18:10,761 but actually he did care, he cared an awful lot. 197 00:18:45,166 --> 00:18:48,761 Behind success there is a terrible truth. 198 00:18:50,546 --> 00:18:53,766 Italians are prepared to forgive anything and anyone. 199 00:18:53,883 --> 00:18:57,353 Thieves, murderers. 200 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,313 All sorts of criminals. 201 00:18:59,430 --> 00:19:03,230 Except for success. They won't forgive anyone for being successful. 202 00:19:04,894 --> 00:19:10,401 Ferrari in Italy was a towering figure, even at the time. 203 00:19:10,524 --> 00:19:15,621 He was the single most significant automotive industry figure 204 00:19:15,738 --> 00:19:18,116 of the 20th century. 205 00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:24,043 He was a survivor. He was a chameleon. Such a manipulator of men. 206 00:19:24,163 --> 00:19:28,168 He regarded it as a sport in its own right, I think. 207 00:19:28,626 --> 00:19:31,095 The Scuderia was a stable effectively 208 00:19:31,212 --> 00:19:34,887 in which Ferrari would pick the best talent that he could find. 209 00:19:35,007 --> 00:19:37,601 The drivers were the public face of the Scuderia 210 00:19:37,718 --> 00:19:42,144 and he would take the cream of the talent that was available to him. 211 00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:48,317 Eugenio Castellotti came from a little town called Lodi. 212 00:19:48,437 --> 00:19:52,738 He got into racing because it was a big macho deal. 213 00:19:52,858 --> 00:19:56,408 It was what the king of the kids would do. "Hey, look at me." 214 00:19:56,529 --> 00:20:00,659 And he did have a talent. He had a shining talent, in fact. 215 00:20:01,951 --> 00:20:06,707 Musso was from Rome. He was an Elio di Angelis of the time, 216 00:20:06,831 --> 00:20:09,801 whereas Castellotti was a street fighter from northern Italy. 217 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:16,762 Luigi Musso was a charismatic Italian racing driver of the first order. 218 00:20:16,882 --> 00:20:19,556 Let's not mince words here. The guy was very good. 219 00:20:20,302 --> 00:20:23,272 I think while Castellotti and Musso were at Ferrari together 220 00:20:23,389 --> 00:20:28,316 there was a certain amount of shared responsibility, if you like. 221 00:20:28,435 --> 00:20:31,564 You've got two drivers there who brought Italy into Grand Prix racing 222 00:20:31,689 --> 00:20:34,784 in a way that is unimaginable now 223 00:20:34,900 --> 00:20:39,656 because the whole country was behind them and both of them gave it 100%. 224 00:20:42,199 --> 00:20:44,702 Fon de Portago was a nobleman 225 00:20:44,827 --> 00:20:48,957 and a sportsman of every possible variety 226 00:20:49,081 --> 00:20:52,460 and he was a very attractive personality. 227 00:20:52,585 --> 00:20:53,837 He was a real playboy, 228 00:20:53,961 --> 00:20:57,886 but he was a playboy, you know, who didn't mind getting his hands dirty. 229 00:20:59,925 --> 00:21:03,395 He is a man devoted to sport, 230 00:21:03,512 --> 00:21:07,767 whether it be skiing, bobsleighing, waterskiing, 231 00:21:07,892 --> 00:21:10,566 swimming, fishing, hunting, whatever it might be. 232 00:21:12,104 --> 00:21:17,452 He was in some ways the sort of most natural Ferrari driver 233 00:21:17,568 --> 00:21:18,945 of the whole of the 1950s. 234 00:21:19,069 --> 00:21:22,198 If you had to design a Ferrari driver, it would have been Fon de Portago. 235 00:21:22,323 --> 00:21:25,076 And he had the girlfriends to go with it too. 236 00:21:25,659 --> 00:21:29,789 The Scuderia was led by Juan Manuel Fangio 237 00:21:29,914 --> 00:21:34,044 and Castellotti apparently would hang on Fangio's every word. 238 00:21:34,168 --> 00:21:39,220 Fangio to me is the best driver in the world bar none. 239 00:21:39,340 --> 00:21:42,935 He was a great man. He was a man that whatever he could do once, 240 00:21:43,052 --> 00:21:44,975 he could continue to do. 241 00:21:45,095 --> 00:21:48,520 And it was a beautiful balance and a rhythm of a man and a vehicle. 242 00:21:50,643 --> 00:21:52,520 Enzo Ferrari was once asked 243 00:21:52,645 --> 00:21:55,068 when a car crosses the line to take the checkered flag, 244 00:21:55,189 --> 00:21:57,658 how much of it is car, how much of it is driver? 245 00:21:57,775 --> 00:22:00,028 And he said, "60% car, 40% driver." 246 00:22:00,986 --> 00:22:04,411 The sad thing was that Ferrari didn't spend enough time 247 00:22:04,531 --> 00:22:08,786 learning how to deal with the drivers individual to individual. 248 00:22:09,495 --> 00:22:12,715 Now every driver has a different style of his own. 249 00:22:12,831 --> 00:22:18,509 Hawthorn has an expression of a man who is fighting on his face. 250 00:22:18,629 --> 00:22:21,303 Peter Collins is always making faces at the crowd, 251 00:22:21,423 --> 00:22:25,053 not deliberately, but I have yet to see a picture of Peter 252 00:22:25,177 --> 00:22:27,726 in which he isn't making some kind of a face. 253 00:22:30,808 --> 00:22:33,687 Peter Collins had been driving for BRM 254 00:22:33,811 --> 00:22:37,657 and then he was offered a drive with Ferrari, 255 00:22:37,773 --> 00:22:40,276 which would have been fantastic. 256 00:22:40,401 --> 00:22:42,529 What an amazing opportunity. 257 00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:46,457 Ferrari set himself up as the spider 258 00:22:46,573 --> 00:22:48,291 in the middle of this extraordinary web 259 00:22:48,409 --> 00:22:50,787 and he ensured that everybody had to come to him. 260 00:22:50,911 --> 00:22:52,458 He never went to them. 261 00:22:53,455 --> 00:22:57,335 There is a story that Peter Collins, when he went there to sign up, 262 00:22:57,459 --> 00:23:00,429 he thought, "Oh, you know, this is gonna be a big deal, you know." 263 00:23:00,546 --> 00:23:03,720 And, in fact, Peter was kept waiting and waiting 264 00:23:03,841 --> 00:23:08,347 and waiting, and he was on the point of giving it all up as a bad job 265 00:23:08,470 --> 00:23:11,599 when ultimately Mr Ferrari came sailing in 266 00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,728 and everything was sweetness and light. 267 00:23:29,658 --> 00:23:32,411 It was a sparkling honeymoon for Peter Collins at Ferrari. 268 00:23:32,536 --> 00:23:36,040 He won in Formula One. He won in other categories. 269 00:23:36,498 --> 00:23:39,342 Ferrari immediately recognized his versatility 270 00:23:39,460 --> 00:23:42,555 and overnight, almost, Peter Collins became a star, 271 00:23:42,671 --> 00:23:45,766 not only in Italy at Ferrari, but also on the world racing stage. 272 00:23:54,892 --> 00:23:58,112 Victory goes to Peter Collins and Mike Hawthorn, 273 00:23:58,228 --> 00:23:59,730 with Moss second and Fangio third. 274 00:23:59,855 --> 00:24:03,405 So Peter Collins wins his first Grand Prix for Ferrari. 275 00:24:03,525 --> 00:24:06,404 Peter Collins joins that exclusive band of British drivers 276 00:24:06,528 --> 00:24:07,654 to have won a Grande Epreuve. 277 00:24:13,285 --> 00:24:16,164 There's no doubt that Peter Collins 278 00:24:16,288 --> 00:24:18,416 was one of the drivers that Enzo Ferrari loved. 279 00:24:18,540 --> 00:24:20,383 He felt a real warmth to him, 280 00:24:20,501 --> 00:24:24,131 which he didn't feel towards all his drivers by any means. 281 00:24:27,716 --> 00:24:31,391 Peter Collins became very friendly and very close with Dino, 282 00:24:31,512 --> 00:24:35,267 Mr Ferrari's sadly terminally ill son. 283 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:41,025 My husband did a wonderful job, in a way, 284 00:24:41,146 --> 00:24:46,573 of helping to communicate between the dying son and Enzo. 285 00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:50,619 Ferrari was very moved by that, 286 00:24:50,739 --> 00:24:54,835 that Collins should show such concern for his son. 287 00:24:54,952 --> 00:24:58,047 And Dino's death, of course, was a... 288 00:24:58,163 --> 00:25:01,463 It was a shattering blow to him and to his wife 289 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:05,383 and I think that brought him closer to Collins. 290 00:25:15,180 --> 00:25:19,606 By the end of the '56 season, Collins has won the Belgian Grand Prix, 291 00:25:19,726 --> 00:25:21,478 he's won the French Grand Prix. 292 00:25:21,603 --> 00:25:25,733 He's in with a shout of becoming the first British driver 293 00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:28,702 ever to win the FIA Drivers' World Championship. 294 00:25:32,614 --> 00:25:35,493 There were five Lancia Ferraris in the race. 295 00:25:35,617 --> 00:25:38,291 There was Fangio, Portago and Collins, 296 00:25:38,412 --> 00:25:43,589 but also Castellotti and Musso had a fierce, fierce rivalry. 297 00:25:58,724 --> 00:26:01,523 Actually, my guess, as soon as the Italian Grand Prix started, 298 00:26:01,643 --> 00:26:04,487 Castellotti and also Luigi Musso, who went for it, you know, 299 00:26:04,605 --> 00:26:07,529 as if the race was starting on the last lap. 300 00:26:18,452 --> 00:26:20,329 Fangio's car broke down 301 00:26:20,454 --> 00:26:24,084 and in those days you could share a car with another driver 302 00:26:24,208 --> 00:26:25,881 and get half the points. 303 00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:29,471 Musso came in and it was suggested to him he should get out 304 00:26:29,588 --> 00:26:32,637 and give the car to Fangio, and Musso had no interest in that at all. 305 00:26:32,758 --> 00:26:37,605 That was when Collins, of course, did his famous selfless act. 306 00:26:37,721 --> 00:26:40,770 Collins is poised to win the World Championship. 307 00:26:40,891 --> 00:26:43,940 He comes into the pits for his last pit stop, 308 00:26:44,061 --> 00:26:46,439 beckoned to Fangio and said, 309 00:26:46,563 --> 00:26:49,362 "You take my car and I'll give up my chance 310 00:26:49,483 --> 00:26:53,454 for you to win yet another World Championship." 311 00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:59,084 I can't actually think of another driver, 312 00:26:59,201 --> 00:27:00,953 apart from Peter, to do that, 313 00:27:01,078 --> 00:27:03,331 because all Peter had to do was keep going 314 00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:04,879 and he was the man who would take it. 315 00:27:07,376 --> 00:27:10,380 He respected the superiority of Fangio as a driver 316 00:27:10,504 --> 00:27:14,884 and I think he felt it would be unfair of him not to provide the car. 317 00:27:15,884 --> 00:27:18,979 It was a very chivalrous and respectful gesture, 318 00:27:19,096 --> 00:27:21,849 which Enzo Ferrari appreciated a lot. 319 00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:28,693 Talking to the press afterwards, 320 00:27:28,814 --> 00:27:33,445 Peter apparently said, "I'm young. I'll get another chance." 321 00:28:34,671 --> 00:28:38,392 I was in a play at Coconut Grove Playhouse in Florida 322 00:28:38,508 --> 00:28:44,106 and Peter was on his way from Argentina back to England. 323 00:28:48,602 --> 00:28:51,572 The West Indies, Cuba, all of Latin America, 324 00:28:51,688 --> 00:28:55,318 are just beyond the horizon when you make Miami your headquarters. 325 00:29:05,619 --> 00:29:10,967 Stirling Moss actually told Peter that I was in Florida 326 00:29:11,083 --> 00:29:14,428 and so if he was going through there, why not say hello? 327 00:29:15,962 --> 00:29:17,680 So, he gave me a ring 328 00:29:17,798 --> 00:29:23,555 and Monday night after the play we got together, and that was it. 329 00:29:23,678 --> 00:29:25,271 Wednesday he asked me to marry him. 330 00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:31,237 Friday my father came down from New York to stop this whole nonsense. 331 00:29:31,353 --> 00:29:36,109 He was with the United Nations, a very dignified human being. 332 00:29:36,233 --> 00:29:38,327 He was a little unhappy, 333 00:29:38,443 --> 00:29:41,617 thinking that his daughter was going to marry a racing driver 334 00:29:41,738 --> 00:29:44,082 that she didn't even know. 335 00:29:44,199 --> 00:29:46,873 It worked out very beautifully. 336 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,759 When does a star begin to decline? 337 00:29:57,879 --> 00:30:03,306 The day they put personal interests before the sport itself. 338 00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:09,020 Enzo Ferrari didn't like his drivers getting tied down 339 00:30:09,141 --> 00:30:13,237 because he didn't like the idea that they had something else to live for 340 00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:15,697 besides driving his racing cars, 341 00:30:15,814 --> 00:30:19,819 that that would take the edge off their speed. 342 00:30:21,319 --> 00:30:23,913 I think he loved the cars more than the drivers 343 00:30:24,030 --> 00:30:28,752 because the cars were loyal to him and the drivers very often weren't. 344 00:30:28,869 --> 00:30:33,045 Mr Ferrari always maintained that his team number one 345 00:30:33,165 --> 00:30:36,886 would be the driver who performed best last Sunday, 346 00:30:37,002 --> 00:30:39,721 which tended to keep them on their toes. 347 00:30:41,923 --> 00:30:45,393 By setting them to some extent in competition with each other, 348 00:30:45,510 --> 00:30:48,810 by very often having five drivers for four cars, 349 00:30:48,930 --> 00:30:52,150 it would ensure that they were performing at their maximum 350 00:30:52,267 --> 00:30:54,565 the whole time for him. 351 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:56,814 There would have been quite a lot of culture shock 352 00:30:56,938 --> 00:31:01,114 for Mike Hawthorn and Peter Collins going into the Scuderia Ferrari 353 00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:05,535 where they would have been surrounded by very competitive playboy drivers. 354 00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:07,832 I had dinner with Ferrari 355 00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:10,498 and we were talking about racing, as we usually do, 356 00:31:10,619 --> 00:31:13,293 and all of a sudden he said, 357 00:31:13,413 --> 00:31:15,666 "But you know the drivers will always go to the factory 358 00:31:15,790 --> 00:31:18,839 which produces the fastest car." 359 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,180 And I was just about to protest my loyalty to Ferrari when I realized 360 00:31:22,297 --> 00:31:25,551 that I would go somewhere else if they produced a faster car. 361 00:31:25,675 --> 00:31:28,599 There is no loyalty to a factory. 362 00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:34,401 There was a colored, embittered relationship 363 00:31:34,518 --> 00:31:39,240 between Fangio and Mr Ferrari, and so when Fangio left Ferrari 364 00:31:39,356 --> 00:31:42,235 at the end of that World Championship-winning season, 365 00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:45,579 to go to the rival Maserati team, 366 00:31:45,695 --> 00:31:49,666 the only person surprised was Mr Ferrari. 367 00:31:53,703 --> 00:31:58,834 When Mike Hawthorn rejoined the Ferrari team at the start of 1957, 368 00:31:58,959 --> 00:32:02,964 they had Collins, Musso, 369 00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:08,845 the Spanish Marquis Fon de Portago and they had Castellotti. 370 00:32:08,969 --> 00:32:11,017 It was an incredibly strong team. 371 00:32:13,598 --> 00:32:15,896 One thing I've always loved about Castellotti 372 00:32:16,017 --> 00:32:18,486 was how neat and precise he was in his everyday life, 373 00:32:18,603 --> 00:32:21,527 and that's always a good sign, I think, to how you are in a racing car. 374 00:32:21,648 --> 00:32:25,494 And you look at the way he used to pack his racing suitcase 375 00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:29,365 with all his race kit, everything was immaculate and perfectly organized, 376 00:32:29,489 --> 00:32:32,493 and I think that showed another side to Castellotti. 377 00:32:32,617 --> 00:32:35,621 He wasn't just a crazy Italian. This guy was good. 378 00:32:36,413 --> 00:32:38,256 Castellotti started racing, 379 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:41,217 effectively, with a Ferrari sports car that his mother bought him. 380 00:32:41,334 --> 00:32:45,714 He grew up as a gilded child, really. 381 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:49,764 He's another immature fellow that has a lot of money, 382 00:32:49,884 --> 00:32:53,309 and decided he was going to do what most wealthy Italians wish they could do 383 00:32:53,430 --> 00:32:55,307 and that's be a real racing driver, 384 00:32:55,432 --> 00:32:57,730 and he's pretty good, but he's not all that good. 385 00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,693 You said drivers can be divided into two categories: 386 00:33:02,814 --> 00:33:05,567 the pros and the ambitious, i.e. the amateurs. 387 00:33:05,692 --> 00:33:07,319 No doubt. 388 00:33:07,444 --> 00:33:09,412 You said it's not true 389 00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:11,497 that Italians race slower than foreigners. 390 00:33:11,615 --> 00:33:14,368 But the winners are almost always foreigners. 391 00:33:14,492 --> 00:33:19,373 Obviously Italians lack the technical resources 392 00:33:19,497 --> 00:33:22,171 available to foreigners. 393 00:33:25,670 --> 00:33:29,595 Everybody in Italy was mad about racing. 394 00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:32,344 Even if there was no television, but there was a radio, 395 00:33:32,469 --> 00:33:35,313 they were following what was happening. 396 00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:40,736 I think being an Italian driving in Italy 397 00:33:40,852 --> 00:33:43,856 and obviously having to prove yourself constantly against drivers 398 00:33:43,980 --> 00:33:48,030 like Collins, Hawthorn and Moss was very, very difficult. 399 00:33:52,656 --> 00:33:58,379 In March 1957, Castellotti was called to do some testing for Ferrari 400 00:33:58,495 --> 00:34:00,463 at the Modena test track. 401 00:34:01,498 --> 00:34:03,341 I mean, it sounds ludicrous, in a way, 402 00:34:03,458 --> 00:34:08,680 that Modena was the test track that both Ferrari and Maserati used 403 00:34:08,797 --> 00:34:11,095 and why it should have been so desperately important 404 00:34:11,216 --> 00:34:14,937 who actually held the, you know, the unofficial lap record at any given time 405 00:34:15,053 --> 00:34:17,897 is quite difficult to fathom now. 406 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:21,272 But, for whatever reason, it was very important 407 00:34:21,393 --> 00:34:22,815 and particularly to Enzo Ferrari. 408 00:34:23,937 --> 00:34:27,237 Maserati had just broken the lap record there. 409 00:34:27,357 --> 00:34:29,200 Mr Ferrari wasn't happy with that. 410 00:34:29,317 --> 00:34:32,412 He wanted Ferrari to hold the lap record there. 411 00:34:32,529 --> 00:34:36,409 And either spoken or tacitly, 412 00:34:36,533 --> 00:34:40,128 Castellotti was expected to go out and break the lap record 413 00:34:40,245 --> 00:34:42,168 in the developing new car. 414 00:34:42,914 --> 00:34:45,417 Castellotti was summoned back from Florence 415 00:34:45,542 --> 00:34:48,216 and it wasn't a request, it was a demand. 416 00:34:48,336 --> 00:34:52,637 And much against his will, he came back to Milan 417 00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:55,306 and went out to Modena, 418 00:34:55,427 --> 00:34:58,931 got in the car late afternoon and was killed. 419 00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:07,239 He either suffered a brake failure or the throttle stuck open 420 00:35:07,355 --> 00:35:11,030 and the Ferrari rode over the curbs, 421 00:35:11,151 --> 00:35:14,872 flew into the air and began to roll 422 00:35:14,988 --> 00:35:19,164 and it went into a little concrete-built grandstand 423 00:35:19,284 --> 00:35:22,788 and it ended up in the top row at the back of the grandstand. 424 00:35:23,788 --> 00:35:28,794 And Castellotti, very sadly, had been thrown out of the car 425 00:35:28,918 --> 00:35:31,637 and he was rushed to hospital and it was too late. 426 00:35:31,755 --> 00:35:33,348 There was no saving him. 427 00:35:39,846 --> 00:35:43,601 The thing that troubles us is when somebody gets killed 428 00:35:43,725 --> 00:35:47,775 because the steering arm broke or because the wheel came off 429 00:35:47,896 --> 00:35:51,696 and that worries us a lot because then you think if it happened on that car 430 00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:55,036 and I have to drive the same type of car, it could very well happen to me. 431 00:36:12,629 --> 00:36:16,429 I don't think Ferrari really was capable of having relationships. 432 00:36:16,549 --> 00:36:18,927 I think he was a guy that was just driven 433 00:36:19,052 --> 00:36:23,023 to do what he had to do in motor racing, 434 00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:26,313 and that was build cars that were capable of winning 435 00:36:26,434 --> 00:36:29,438 and to find drivers that were capable of driving them 436 00:36:29,562 --> 00:36:31,564 and what happened happened. 437 00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,741 Collins was in the office with Enzo Ferrari when the phone rang. 438 00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:41,082 It was with the news that Castellotti had been killed. 439 00:36:41,199 --> 00:36:45,500 The old man said, "Oh, non, non, Castellotti morto." 440 00:36:45,620 --> 00:36:48,043 And then, "E la macchina?" 441 00:36:48,164 --> 00:36:50,258 "And how's the car?" 442 00:36:53,086 --> 00:36:55,464 Not everyone finds you agreeable. 443 00:36:55,588 --> 00:36:59,058 You're often accused of being a dictator. What do you think? 444 00:36:59,175 --> 00:37:01,769 If by dictator, 445 00:37:01,886 --> 00:37:05,311 you mean demanding from others, 446 00:37:05,431 --> 00:37:08,981 the utmost commitment to their job, 447 00:37:09,102 --> 00:37:11,275 they definitely have a point. 448 00:37:12,689 --> 00:37:17,911 Ferrari was a man I admired in some ways and thought he was appalling in others. 449 00:37:18,027 --> 00:37:21,372 I think success was important to Ferrari. 450 00:37:21,489 --> 00:37:24,709 But success because it showed that he was one better than the other guy. 451 00:37:25,326 --> 00:37:28,205 Ultimately, it was about Ferrari 452 00:37:28,329 --> 00:37:31,754 and Ferrari had been around now, in some form or another, 453 00:37:31,875 --> 00:37:34,799 since the turn of the century almost. 454 00:37:35,587 --> 00:37:39,262 And the reason Ferrari is the biggest brand in the world today, 455 00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:42,101 bigger than Formula One, in motor racing terms, 456 00:37:42,218 --> 00:37:44,971 and the reason people think about Ferrari the way they do 457 00:37:45,096 --> 00:37:49,067 is because it ultimately is about the car and not the driver. 458 00:37:51,686 --> 00:37:56,408 Mr Ferrari became absolutely well aware very early on 459 00:37:56,524 --> 00:38:00,154 that his favored sport was a killer. 460 00:38:02,071 --> 00:38:06,872 If you visit the cemetery as often as I do, 461 00:38:06,993 --> 00:38:12,545 you'll find yourself staring into the majestic face of death. 462 00:38:12,665 --> 00:38:16,340 What can you think in that moment? 463 00:38:16,461 --> 00:38:20,807 "All those worries, all those issues, all those fights 464 00:38:20,924 --> 00:38:22,267 to just end up here." 465 00:38:27,180 --> 00:38:29,399 Well, what kind of guy is Ferrari? 466 00:38:29,515 --> 00:38:31,734 Well, Ferrari is a dictator. 467 00:38:31,851 --> 00:38:34,354 If he doesn't like you, he won't sell you a car. 468 00:38:34,479 --> 00:38:37,323 But as far as I'm concerned, he's a wonderful guy. 469 00:38:42,946 --> 00:38:44,948 Why do you race? 470 00:38:45,073 --> 00:38:47,417 Because I want to be champion of the world. 471 00:38:48,076 --> 00:38:52,627 Life to me is a wonderful thing and even if I live to be 100, 472 00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:56,752 I still won't be able to do a 20th of all the things I want to do 473 00:38:56,876 --> 00:38:59,095 and read all the books I want to read. 474 00:38:59,212 --> 00:39:02,261 And I plan to get the most out of it, but I have no time to lose. 475 00:39:06,219 --> 00:39:07,812 Fon Portago I knew quite well. 476 00:39:08,721 --> 00:39:11,315 Because I saw him... I was living in France at the time 477 00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:14,606 and he was one of the people one saw regularly in Paris. 478 00:39:14,727 --> 00:39:19,153 He could do anything, Portago. He liked doing dangerous things. 479 00:39:22,402 --> 00:39:25,076 Everybody, no matter how wealthy they are, 480 00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:28,496 who drives aims to become a professional driver. 481 00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:30,618 All you must have is respect for the car. 482 00:39:30,743 --> 00:39:33,747 I have enormous respect for the Grand Prix Ferrari. 483 00:39:35,081 --> 00:39:38,585 And I realize that if I treat it badly, it can very easily kill me. 484 00:39:40,670 --> 00:39:43,264 Well, every driver believes it can never happen to him. 485 00:39:43,381 --> 00:39:45,429 I know it won't happen to me. 486 00:39:45,550 --> 00:39:47,552 Inside me, I know it won't happen to me. 487 00:40:01,441 --> 00:40:05,617 The Mille Miglia was a 1,000-mile race around Italy on normal roads 488 00:40:05,737 --> 00:40:09,742 with millions of spectators lining the roads 489 00:40:09,866 --> 00:40:12,540 and it was incredibly dangerous. 490 00:40:19,042 --> 00:40:22,967 Fon de Portage was driving a Ferrari that was one of the most powerful cars 491 00:40:23,087 --> 00:40:26,307 in the race, so he would have been expected to do well. 492 00:40:27,091 --> 00:40:30,812 It was actually a race he detested and he didn't want to do that year, 493 00:40:30,928 --> 00:40:32,805 but Ferrari insisted. 494 00:40:37,435 --> 00:40:42,111 He was embroiled at that time in a sort of mad, passionate affair 495 00:40:42,231 --> 00:40:45,360 with this American actress, Linda Christian, 496 00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:47,954 and at one of the control points on the race, 497 00:40:48,071 --> 00:40:52,247 Portago came in, took on fuel and he had his card stamped. 498 00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:56,705 One of the mechanics noticed the rear bodywork was damaged 499 00:40:56,829 --> 00:41:01,585 and was actually folded over and it was very, very close to the tire. 500 00:41:01,709 --> 00:41:03,382 They wanted to change the tire 501 00:41:03,503 --> 00:41:06,427 and Portago, you know, by all accounts, just waved them away. 502 00:41:06,547 --> 00:41:08,720 "No, no, no. We haven't got time for all that." 503 00:41:08,841 --> 00:41:10,593 Then saw Linda Christian. 504 00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:13,597 She came over and there was this passionate kiss, 505 00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:17,726 having said there's no time to try and get the bodywork away from the tire. 506 00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:19,648 Then he got on his way again. 507 00:41:33,241 --> 00:41:37,587 In the closing stages of the race, when at a place called Guidizzolo, 508 00:41:37,703 --> 00:41:41,628 almost within sight and earshot of the finish, 509 00:41:41,749 --> 00:41:44,502 a tire burst on the car. 510 00:41:52,468 --> 00:41:54,562 The car left the road, somersaulted, 511 00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:56,807 hit the bank and disintegrated. 512 00:41:56,931 --> 00:42:02,279 De Portage was killed. Edmund Nelson, his navigator, was also killed. 513 00:42:02,395 --> 00:42:04,318 Nine spectators were killed. 514 00:42:04,438 --> 00:42:08,193 Five of them were children, which made it particularly shocking. 515 00:42:10,987 --> 00:42:12,989 He died in the pursuit of a career 516 00:42:13,114 --> 00:42:15,287 to which he had given all his time and energy 517 00:42:15,408 --> 00:42:18,582 and that great competitive spirit, which made him what he was. 518 00:42:18,703 --> 00:42:20,876 That he should be killed on the threshold 519 00:42:20,997 --> 00:42:25,252 of a magnificent racing career is a great loss to racing 520 00:42:25,376 --> 00:42:28,926 and to the world of people who still retain an ounce of romance in them. 521 00:42:29,046 --> 00:42:33,893 By the very nature of their lives, people like Portage do not die in bed. 522 00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:37,014 Their flags remain flying on the many competitive fields 523 00:42:37,138 --> 00:42:40,813 where they enjoyed their greatest triumphs to the very end. 524 00:42:49,817 --> 00:42:54,414 It was not uncommon in the 1950s for spectators to be killed, 525 00:42:54,530 --> 00:42:59,661 but this one, it was the five children that made the difference. 526 00:42:59,785 --> 00:43:03,915 For Enzo Ferrari, this was a moment when he had to dig very, very deep. 527 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,044 The Mille Miglia was never run again. That was one thing. 528 00:43:07,168 --> 00:43:09,591 But beyond that there was a manslaughter charge. 529 00:43:10,671 --> 00:43:15,142 There was an air of revulsion and the Vatican was horrified. 530 00:43:17,011 --> 00:43:20,060 Do you feel any responsibility or a moral burden 531 00:43:20,181 --> 00:43:22,354 when these tragedies happen? 532 00:43:22,475 --> 00:43:25,775 I question myself profoundly. 533 00:43:25,895 --> 00:43:28,273 How do you feel when one of yours dies? 534 00:43:28,397 --> 00:43:30,491 Do you feel like quitting? 535 00:43:30,608 --> 00:43:33,828 I feel many things. Too many things. 536 00:43:33,945 --> 00:43:36,039 For instance, 537 00:43:36,155 --> 00:43:39,500 the frightening fragility of the human existence. 538 00:43:45,831 --> 00:43:49,051 Mike Hawthorn had a congenital kidney problem. 539 00:43:49,168 --> 00:43:55,972 He would have days where he would be very pale and sweaty and weak 540 00:43:56,092 --> 00:43:57,435 and it showed. 541 00:43:59,470 --> 00:44:01,063 If he had gone public, 542 00:44:01,180 --> 00:44:04,650 he risked not getting a competition license on medical grounds. 543 00:44:05,851 --> 00:44:09,776 That was brushed under the carpet somewhat carefully 544 00:44:09,897 --> 00:44:14,277 by saying, "I have a chronic condition which flares up every now and then." 545 00:44:16,904 --> 00:44:19,623 From what I've been told he used to get angry with himself 546 00:44:19,740 --> 00:44:24,120 if he was having a weak day or just feeling lousy. 547 00:44:24,245 --> 00:44:26,293 But I think in terms of people who knew about it, 548 00:44:26,414 --> 00:44:28,917 there were very, very few people. 549 00:44:29,917 --> 00:44:32,136 He refused to let the government know 550 00:44:32,253 --> 00:44:34,927 because there were questions in the Houses of Parliament 551 00:44:35,047 --> 00:44:39,518 why Mike Hawthorn wasn't going into the army, doing his national service. 552 00:44:39,635 --> 00:44:42,809 And he wouldn't let his doctors tell them why. 553 00:44:44,515 --> 00:44:47,940 He never mentioned his disability, but he certainly suffered from that 554 00:44:48,060 --> 00:44:52,657 and I think that some days that, you know, he felt it more than others. 555 00:45:40,279 --> 00:45:45,251 It was very exciting to be around Monaco. 556 00:45:45,368 --> 00:45:47,871 We bought that boat 557 00:45:47,995 --> 00:45:52,501 and decided to make that our home. 558 00:45:54,627 --> 00:45:59,508 Peter had a nice accident when his car went into the harbor. 559 00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:03,929 Yeah, that was funny. I think he did it twice. 560 00:46:04,053 --> 00:46:07,102 Someone said, "You know, your husband just went into the harbor." 561 00:46:07,223 --> 00:46:10,227 I said, "It's alright. He did that yesterday. He knows how." 562 00:46:16,607 --> 00:46:19,736 Peter and Mike had a lot of laughs together, 563 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:24,832 so when I came in on the scene, the three of us clicked right away. 564 00:46:24,949 --> 00:46:28,044 We just had such a good, funny time. 565 00:46:29,495 --> 00:46:33,250 Peter was, I think, generally regarded 566 00:46:33,374 --> 00:46:36,924 as a nicer person than Mike. 567 00:46:38,045 --> 00:46:42,846 Mike could be terribly rude, terribly abrupt. 568 00:46:43,884 --> 00:46:46,728 But with people he liked and got on with... 569 00:46:48,180 --> 00:46:50,683 he was a great, great friend. 570 00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:55,275 "Mon ami mate" was like a comic strip. 571 00:46:55,396 --> 00:46:59,492 These two characters go on a trip to Mars. 572 00:47:00,568 --> 00:47:02,366 They look at this Martian, 573 00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:07,162 and to be friendly and saying hello, they said, "Hello, mon ami mate." 574 00:47:08,242 --> 00:47:10,586 It amused Peter and Mike so much 575 00:47:10,703 --> 00:47:14,549 that they just kept calling each other "mon ami mate." 576 00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:24,555 It was all very nice and "mon ami mate" and all that sort of thing, 577 00:47:24,675 --> 00:47:29,226 but I don't think it was in the best interests of Ferrari. 578 00:47:31,390 --> 00:47:35,065 Formula One team owners are pretty incapable of managing teams 579 00:47:35,186 --> 00:47:39,111 when you've got two very fast racing drivers alongside one another, 580 00:47:39,231 --> 00:47:41,233 and we've seen it through the history of the sport. 581 00:47:41,358 --> 00:47:44,908 Peter Collins and Mike Hawthorn were basically coming as a package, 582 00:47:45,029 --> 00:47:50,001 and, for the first time, Enzo Ferrari was faced with this weird situation 583 00:47:50,117 --> 00:47:51,744 where if he said something to Peter, 584 00:47:51,869 --> 00:47:54,372 it actually affected Mike Hawthorn and vice versa. 585 00:47:56,081 --> 00:47:58,709 It sometimes detracted from their racing, you know, 586 00:47:58,834 --> 00:48:01,508 and they used to be mucking about, you know, changing places, 587 00:48:01,629 --> 00:48:04,178 instead of concentrating 100%, you know. 588 00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:07,393 And I think the sense of competition was sort of slightly dulled 589 00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:11,686 between Mike and Peter to their, to their detriment. 590 00:48:14,475 --> 00:48:16,443 I mean, Roy Salvadori said to me once, 591 00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,655 "God, if I'd been Enzo Ferrari, I'd have fired those two." 592 00:48:19,772 --> 00:48:22,195 They were such close friends. 593 00:48:22,316 --> 00:48:25,069 They were almost happier when the other won. 594 00:50:06,837 --> 00:50:11,559 Enzo always loved it when his drivers spurred each other on. 595 00:50:12,468 --> 00:50:16,473 You know, and if there were casualties, well, you know, it happens. 596 00:50:18,265 --> 00:50:22,736 It's been suggested that Hawthorn and Collins ganged up on Luigi Musso, 597 00:50:22,853 --> 00:50:27,279 who was really the last of the great Italian drivers left. 598 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:32,409 He would write to me about the badgering he had to put up with 599 00:50:32,529 --> 00:50:34,497 from these two people. 600 00:50:34,615 --> 00:50:39,212 Because strength comes in numbers and they were united against Luigi. 601 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:43,174 I think you must always wonder, sort of, "What are they saying?" 602 00:50:43,290 --> 00:50:46,885 "I don't understand what they're saying." That can't have been easy. 603 00:50:54,510 --> 00:50:57,013 He forged this relationship with Fiamma, 604 00:50:57,137 --> 00:51:00,266 who was a beautiful girl, she really was. 605 00:51:02,726 --> 00:51:05,445 Never again in my life was I so happy 606 00:51:05,562 --> 00:51:07,485 and in love as I was with him. 607 00:51:10,401 --> 00:51:12,654 It was an incredible and amazing thing. 608 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:21,962 He was really carrying the weight of Italy on his shoulders 609 00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:25,549 and driving way beyond his means. 610 00:51:31,296 --> 00:51:34,675 Apart from being the only Italian driver of consequence 611 00:51:34,800 --> 00:51:37,679 in Formula One and the only Italian at Ferrari, 612 00:51:37,803 --> 00:51:41,979 he also, by all accounts, was not a very good businessman. 613 00:51:42,975 --> 00:51:48,732 He'd entered into a business deal to import American cars into Italy. 614 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:54,571 His backers got more and more concerned about their investment. 615 00:51:54,695 --> 00:51:57,915 There were also suggestions that he'd run up some gambling debts. 616 00:51:58,741 --> 00:52:01,961 He certainly was under some financial stress at the time. 617 00:52:12,463 --> 00:52:14,261 The pressure had been building. 618 00:52:14,381 --> 00:52:17,100 The debts that Musso was finding himself in. 619 00:52:17,217 --> 00:52:19,845 The enormous rewards that you could receive 620 00:52:19,970 --> 00:52:22,473 if you won the French Grand Prix at Reims. 621 00:52:22,598 --> 00:52:25,226 That was a race for Musso to win, no question about it. 622 00:52:52,711 --> 00:52:55,555 On three or four occasions in the opening laps, 623 00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:57,891 trying to match Hawthorn's pace 624 00:52:58,008 --> 00:53:02,889 through the very fast right-hand curve immediately after the pits, 625 00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:06,734 he put two wheels on the verge and there'd be a puff of dust and stones 626 00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:09,228 and some of the photographers were saying, you know, 627 00:53:09,353 --> 00:53:11,697 "Hey, he's on the ragged edge." 628 00:53:12,856 --> 00:53:16,326 Because he got it slightly wrong, he was slightly off line, 629 00:53:16,443 --> 00:53:19,117 the left rear would have caught the marbles and then he went off 630 00:53:19,238 --> 00:53:22,458 and the car somersaulted and threw him out. 631 00:53:27,871 --> 00:53:30,340 On the seventh lap Luigi didn't come around. 632 00:53:30,457 --> 00:53:35,304 I thought his car might have broken down or he might have stopped. 633 00:53:35,420 --> 00:53:40,221 Nobody made a signal. And when there is no signal, it's bad. 634 00:53:42,678 --> 00:53:48,481 He was thrown out and suffered a head injury which took his life. 635 00:53:53,564 --> 00:53:56,909 I was young and my entire world collapsed. 636 00:53:58,026 --> 00:54:01,496 I ran to the window to throw myself out. 637 00:54:06,952 --> 00:54:11,583 When a fatal event occurs, 638 00:54:11,707 --> 00:54:14,586 it is never down to a single cause. 639 00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:18,340 It's different things happening simultaneously, 640 00:54:18,463 --> 00:54:21,592 leading to the sacrifice of a life. 641 00:54:25,429 --> 00:54:29,229 When Luigi Musso died, Ferrari was upset, 642 00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:34,731 but one way he showed his regret was to console Musso's girlfriend. 643 00:54:36,231 --> 00:54:38,825 He set her up in a flower shop in Florence 644 00:54:38,942 --> 00:54:43,243 and spent quite a lot of time with her and they had quite a long relationship. 645 00:54:48,535 --> 00:54:52,836 Well, the thing is a driver should have confidence in his own ability, 646 00:54:52,956 --> 00:54:57,507 but not to be so naive as to think, "It can't happen to me." 647 00:54:57,628 --> 00:55:00,177 If you come round a corner and you find oil on the circuit, 648 00:55:00,297 --> 00:55:01,640 you can still spin and go off, 649 00:55:01,757 --> 00:55:05,261 so you recognize that that was beyond your capabilities 650 00:55:05,385 --> 00:55:08,138 and you either accepted that or you didn't go motor racing. 651 00:55:08,263 --> 00:55:10,140 Nobody's making you motor race. 652 00:55:13,101 --> 00:55:17,151 It was terrible when you heard somebody was killed, 653 00:55:17,272 --> 00:55:20,993 but, after all, it was his decision to race. 654 00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:26,787 They were all aware in those days that it was very dangerous 655 00:55:26,907 --> 00:55:29,330 and they still were doing it. 656 00:55:32,204 --> 00:55:35,378 If you ran off the road and there was a chance of the car overturning, 657 00:55:35,499 --> 00:55:37,172 it was better to be thrown out 658 00:55:37,292 --> 00:55:40,546 than to be trapped in the cockpit by seatbelts 659 00:55:40,671 --> 00:55:45,893 and crushed underneath it when it landed or, worse, burned to death by the fire 660 00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:49,730 that would almost inevitably follow a fuel-tank burst. 661 00:55:53,684 --> 00:55:57,780 One time Peter almost said something, and I said, "Don't." 662 00:55:57,896 --> 00:56:01,241 We never discussed the dangers of motor racing 663 00:56:01,358 --> 00:56:04,988 and I think if we had, it would have compounded the fear. 664 00:56:05,112 --> 00:56:09,242 And the fear you stuff away. You don't want to bring that up. 665 00:56:10,450 --> 00:56:12,703 You know, if you get involved with a racing driver, 666 00:56:12,828 --> 00:56:15,502 you take the risk that something's probably going to happen, 667 00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:18,045 certainly then because it was so dangerous. 668 00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,588 There was a black humor in motor racing at that time 669 00:56:22,713 --> 00:56:23,805 to get through. 670 00:56:23,922 --> 00:56:25,424 It was a defense mechanism. 671 00:56:26,258 --> 00:56:29,603 I know that one circuit we were at there was an accident 672 00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:34,271 and the driver got out and walked away and the crowds went, "Oh." 673 00:56:35,058 --> 00:56:37,652 It's an awful thing to say, but it's true. 674 00:56:37,769 --> 00:56:39,863 People go for the excitement. 675 00:56:41,398 --> 00:56:43,696 I was doing time charts all the time. 676 00:56:44,609 --> 00:56:47,533 That may have helped keep that fear away. 677 00:56:47,654 --> 00:56:52,535 But I had full confidence that Peter would never die. 678 00:56:52,659 --> 00:56:58,792 It was very easy to ignore any possibility of things going wrong. 679 00:57:06,506 --> 00:57:10,136 Summer came to Silverstone on Saturday July 19th 680 00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,979 for the 1958 British Grand Prix, 681 00:57:13,096 --> 00:57:16,771 sixth race of the ten events counting for the World Championship. 682 00:57:16,892 --> 00:57:18,314 The crowds came too, 683 00:57:18,435 --> 00:57:21,735 in their tens of thousands, lining the three-mile circuit 684 00:57:21,855 --> 00:57:24,734 to watch the major event in the British calendar, 685 00:57:24,858 --> 00:57:28,533 a race made more dramatic by the fight for Championship honors. 686 00:57:33,909 --> 00:57:38,415 Peter had decided that because of our marriage 687 00:57:38,538 --> 00:57:44,921 that he would drive the few races that were left that year and then retire. 688 00:57:56,223 --> 00:57:58,225 Congratulations, Mike, on Reims. 689 00:57:58,350 --> 00:58:01,354 You don't happen to have a spare bottle of champagne on you, do you? 690 00:58:01,478 --> 00:58:02,821 No. I haven't got it yet. 691 00:58:02,938 --> 00:58:04,736 What about the British Grand Prix? 692 00:58:04,856 --> 00:58:06,824 Because we won the last race, 693 00:58:06,942 --> 00:58:08,694 people are saying Ferrari will win this one, 694 00:58:08,819 --> 00:58:11,447 but it's a completely different type of circuit. 695 00:58:33,885 --> 00:58:35,603 It's Collins number one 696 00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,940 and Silverstone sees a high-speed tactical exercise 697 00:58:39,057 --> 00:58:42,607 carried out by three of the greatest masters of the art of motor racing. 698 00:58:44,354 --> 00:58:47,574 Collins was just absolutely on it that day 699 00:58:47,691 --> 00:58:50,114 and he just controlled the race from start to finish. 700 00:58:52,737 --> 00:58:55,035 And Collins leads Hawthorn by 2'! Seconds 701 00:58:55,157 --> 00:58:58,161 at a race average of 102.5 miles an hour. 702 00:59:01,121 --> 00:59:03,715 He was supremely quick, Peter Collins, by then, 703 00:59:03,832 --> 00:59:07,462 and you can't describe his pace any other way 704 00:59:07,586 --> 00:59:09,759 because of what he did at Silverstone. 705 00:59:16,011 --> 00:59:19,231 Peter Collins wins after a magnificent drive 706 00:59:19,347 --> 00:59:21,190 and Mike Hawthorn is second. 707 00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:26,897 Nobody expected him to win at Silverstone. 708 00:59:27,022 --> 00:59:29,821 He was on the second row and he just took the lead from the start 709 00:59:29,941 --> 00:59:31,488 and won with abandon. 710 00:59:31,610 --> 00:59:33,783 He drove beautifully that day. 711 00:59:35,906 --> 00:59:38,910 You know, it was a British crowd, home victory. 712 00:59:39,034 --> 00:59:42,709 One golden boy in Peter Collins had won it 713 00:59:42,829 --> 00:59:46,925 and the other golden boy, Mike Hawthorn, had come in in second place. 714 00:59:47,042 --> 00:59:48,760 I mean, what could be better? 715 01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:10,649 In the two weeks between the British Grand Prix and Niirburgring, 716 01:00:10,774 --> 01:00:13,948 we had just put money down on a house, 717 01:00:14,069 --> 01:00:16,868 so we were looking forward to getting back. 718 01:00:21,952 --> 01:00:24,580 The trouble with poor Mr Ferrari, in a way, 719 01:00:24,704 --> 01:00:29,756 was he'd suffered the very real personal tragedy of losing his son, Dino. 720 01:00:29,876 --> 01:00:34,973 He'd transferred some of his almost paternal affection and ambition 721 01:00:35,090 --> 01:00:36,842 to Peter Collins. 722 01:00:36,967 --> 01:00:42,189 The old man just feared that Collins's focus in life 723 01:00:42,305 --> 01:00:44,728 was not gonna be any more on his racing. 724 01:00:47,978 --> 01:00:49,980 I mean, it was a wonderful time for us 725 01:00:50,105 --> 01:00:52,403 because we were making all these future plans. 726 01:00:52,524 --> 01:00:56,154 And Peter asked me not to come to Niirburgring. 727 01:00:56,278 --> 01:00:59,999 He said, "We have so much work to do with this house." 728 01:01:00,115 --> 01:01:02,789 "Why don't you just stay and manage that?" 729 01:01:02,909 --> 01:01:06,209 And I said, "Oh, no. I'm not gonna let you go without me." 730 01:01:21,803 --> 01:01:25,603 When you think of circuits of that time, there was Spa and it was very fast, 731 01:01:25,724 --> 01:01:30,025 but the Niirburgring was miles of torture. 732 01:01:31,146 --> 01:01:35,572 It was 180 corners per lap and you had any comer you'd like to name. 733 01:01:36,234 --> 01:01:38,453 The weather could change dramatically, 734 01:01:38,570 --> 01:01:41,369 as it could in the mountains at any mountain circuit. 735 01:01:42,073 --> 01:01:45,668 It was, I think, the most challenging circuit we had. 736 01:01:46,286 --> 01:01:50,962 Undulating, narrow, demanding and unforgiving. 737 01:01:52,584 --> 01:01:54,427 The car was airborne a lot 738 01:01:54,544 --> 01:01:57,969 and the drivers, of course, when they're in a groove, 739 01:01:58,089 --> 01:02:01,093 they're doing it from memory, they're doing it from muscle memory. 740 01:02:01,217 --> 01:02:04,812 At the end of the day there's always the unexpected around the next comer 741 01:02:04,929 --> 01:02:08,604 and that was probably the biggest problem of the Niirburgring. 742 01:02:30,789 --> 01:02:34,419 I thought it was just another race at Niirburgring. 743 01:02:34,542 --> 01:02:39,298 I, um... l-l didn't really have a lot of fear. 744 01:02:39,422 --> 01:02:42,596 I just had complete confidence in Peter. 745 01:03:38,857 --> 01:03:41,861 Phil Hill was leading the Formula Two class 746 01:03:41,985 --> 01:03:47,367 until his dampers began to give up and his drum brakes. 747 01:03:48,491 --> 01:03:50,289 And in their Formula One cars, 748 01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:53,960 Hawthorn and Collins would have been experiencing 749 01:03:54,080 --> 01:03:56,082 exactly the same difficulties, 750 01:03:56,207 --> 01:03:59,381 but they're running up at the sharp end of the race, 751 01:03:59,502 --> 01:04:04,133 going for the lead, and battling with Tony Brooks. 752 01:04:04,257 --> 01:04:07,386 And Tony was the smoothest of drivers. 753 01:04:09,387 --> 01:04:12,607 I caught them, past Mike, I think, initially, one lap, 754 01:04:12,724 --> 01:04:14,397 and then he re-passed me. 755 01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:17,942 We swapped places on a couple of laps. 756 01:04:18,062 --> 01:04:21,157 And then I got back into the lead. 757 01:04:21,274 --> 01:04:24,619 So as these two ailing Ferraris 758 01:04:24,736 --> 01:04:29,412 became capable of only returning slower and slower lap times, 759 01:04:29,532 --> 01:04:34,254 their drivers had to drive more and more desperately to compensate. 760 01:04:36,706 --> 01:04:39,710 I pulled into the straight and, of course, the first thing to do 761 01:04:39,834 --> 01:04:44,340 was to look behind and see where Mike or Peter were 762 01:04:44,464 --> 01:04:49,345 and I looked behind and there was no sign of either of them. 763 01:04:55,391 --> 01:04:59,237 I was in the pits with my time-keeping stuff. 764 01:04:59,354 --> 01:05:04,656 Peter didn't come around again and I thought, "What's happening?" 765 01:05:04,776 --> 01:05:08,201 But I focused on that lap chart. 766 01:05:10,156 --> 01:05:13,877 Mike's account, following Collins, 767 01:05:13,993 --> 01:05:16,872 was that he saw the car drift off onto the grass and thought, 768 01:05:16,996 --> 01:05:19,249 "Well, you silly arse. You've overcooked that one." 769 01:05:19,374 --> 01:05:21,672 And he expected him to ride up the bank a bit 770 01:05:21,793 --> 01:05:23,887 and then come back off the grass on to the road 771 01:05:24,003 --> 01:05:28,258 and he was a bit concerned that he might spin across the road 772 01:05:28,383 --> 01:05:30,260 and might, himself, might hit him. 773 01:05:30,385 --> 01:05:36,734 But then, to his horror, the car reared up on that bank 774 01:05:36,849 --> 01:05:41,980 and he just got a glimpse of his great friend Peter Collins 775 01:05:42,105 --> 01:05:44,654 being thrown out and flying through the air. 776 01:06:16,264 --> 01:06:18,517 Mr Hawthorn, you were driving 777 01:06:18,641 --> 01:06:22,316 just behind Peter Collins, I think, when this accident occurred. 778 01:06:22,437 --> 01:06:24,360 Just how did it happen? 779 01:06:25,148 --> 01:06:29,574 Well, um... there was a little dip and we went into that. 780 01:06:30,903 --> 01:06:32,997 And there's a sharp right-hander after that 781 01:06:33,114 --> 01:06:36,118 and he took it just a little too wide. 782 01:06:36,242 --> 01:06:38,461 He didn't turn into it soon enough... 783 01:06:39,996 --> 01:06:44,217 and, um... the car hit the bank and turned over. 784 01:06:44,334 --> 01:06:47,053 - How fast was he traveling? - I don't know. 785 01:06:47,170 --> 01:06:49,593 - How fast were you...? - I don't know. 786 01:07:03,353 --> 01:07:09,406 So it wasn't until after the race that I was told Peter had an accident 787 01:07:09,525 --> 01:07:13,621 and he's being flown to Bonn to the hospital. 788 01:07:13,738 --> 01:07:16,742 And I said, "Can I go too?" And they said no. 789 01:07:18,326 --> 01:07:22,297 My father at the United Nations, 790 01:07:22,413 --> 01:07:27,886 he had always been having someone keeping track of Peter's racing, 791 01:07:28,002 --> 01:07:34,851 so this UN man called my father and said, "Peter's been in an accident," 792 01:07:34,967 --> 01:07:41,225 and then my father pulled a few strings and then he called the hospital. 793 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,900 And when I got into the hospital, 794 01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:51,402 the first thing that happened was I was told, 795 01:07:51,526 --> 01:07:55,121 "Oh, you have a phone call at the reception desk." 796 01:07:55,238 --> 01:07:59,960 And I went there and my father was on the phone from New York 797 01:08:00,076 --> 01:08:02,499 and he told me that Peter had died. 798 01:08:03,955 --> 01:08:08,210 That just, I thought, was so beautiful, 799 01:08:08,334 --> 01:08:11,679 that he would say, "I will tell her." 800 01:08:13,673 --> 01:08:15,846 I said, "Well, I want to see him." 801 01:08:16,551 --> 01:08:18,428 And I... They took me down. 802 01:08:18,553 --> 01:08:22,057 He was in the basement, which was cooler, you know. 803 01:08:23,015 --> 01:08:28,897 I went down there and I looked and I saw one foot. 804 01:08:29,814 --> 01:08:36,618 The covering that was over him, that, that one foot was out. 805 01:08:38,114 --> 01:08:46,044 And in an instant I knew he was dead, and so that was that. 806 01:08:47,707 --> 01:08:53,305 And we only had a year and a half, but it was a great year and a half. 807 01:09:34,086 --> 01:09:39,308 Michael was desperately upset and it was the first time I ever saw Mike cry. 808 01:09:39,425 --> 01:09:43,896 He was beside himself, really, because he'd lost his great mate. 809 01:09:58,152 --> 01:10:00,871 Could you say a few words, as a friend of his, 810 01:10:00,988 --> 01:10:04,242 about Peter Collins as a man and as a driver? 811 01:10:04,367 --> 01:10:07,621 Well, as a driver, I mean, he was definitely one of the best. 812 01:10:11,707 --> 01:10:15,132 As a friend, well, he was my friend. 813 01:10:34,897 --> 01:10:37,320 Do you know what fear is? 814 01:10:37,441 --> 01:10:40,866 I would say I've always lived in fear. 815 01:10:40,987 --> 01:10:42,989 What are your most frequent fears? 816 01:10:43,114 --> 01:10:44,912 All of them. 817 01:11:04,927 --> 01:11:11,230 It's very difficult even now trying to comprehend what it would have been like. 818 01:11:11,350 --> 01:11:16,356 How Ferrari got through that period and emerged 819 01:11:16,480 --> 01:11:20,656 is a tribute to Enzo's passion for motor racing 820 01:11:20,776 --> 01:11:25,247 and his ability to turn the page and move onwards. 821 01:11:28,993 --> 01:11:32,247 Once you've been through as much as he had been through, 822 01:11:32,371 --> 01:11:35,545 he was already like a person in war 823 01:11:35,666 --> 01:11:37,919 and it means losing drivers and everything 824 01:11:38,044 --> 01:11:41,969 and he did his best, I suppose, to act appropriately. 825 01:11:42,089 --> 01:11:45,810 To what degree he really felt these things is hard to say. 826 01:11:48,304 --> 01:11:52,980 When you think of Peter Collins and his grace, his sportsmanship 827 01:11:53,100 --> 01:11:56,900 and what he did at Monza in '56, 828 01:11:57,021 --> 01:12:01,572 constantly Peter Collins doing these wonderfully humble gestures. 829 01:12:01,692 --> 01:12:05,287 If you look at Luigi Musso and Eugenio Castellotti, 830 01:12:05,404 --> 01:12:09,784 they were divided in their support, but they brought to Formula One 831 01:12:09,909 --> 01:12:11,877 the Italian element of glory. 832 01:12:11,994 --> 01:12:15,589 And that's something that was very difficult for both drivers. 833 01:12:15,706 --> 01:12:19,381 Both drivers crashed and died under that pressure. 834 01:12:19,502 --> 01:12:21,220 And then there was Alfonso de Portago, 835 01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:25,592 who was basically James Dean on wheels, was great. 836 01:12:26,467 --> 01:12:31,189 The appeal of the drivers in the 1950s was that they were all so different 837 01:12:31,305 --> 01:12:36,903 and yet united in this willingness to take enormous risks. 838 01:12:37,019 --> 01:12:38,817 With each death of a driver, 839 01:12:38,938 --> 01:12:42,613 the pressure mounted on Enzo Ferrari and the team. 840 01:12:43,734 --> 01:12:49,366 Team manager, Romolo Tavoni, tells us that Mr Ferrari was devastated. 841 01:12:49,490 --> 01:12:52,915 His initial reaction was to say, "We must give up Grand Prix racing." 842 01:12:53,035 --> 01:12:54,252 "This is too much." 843 01:12:54,370 --> 01:12:58,921 But Hawthorn went to see him and said, "I want to finish the season." 844 01:12:59,041 --> 01:13:02,762 "I'll drive another car if I've got to, but I want to drive a Ferrari." 845 01:13:03,504 --> 01:13:05,973 I think he'd lost the love of racing, 846 01:13:06,090 --> 01:13:09,469 but he was determined to do it for Peter's sake, really. 847 01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:18,944 Thereafter for the rest of the season, 848 01:13:19,061 --> 01:13:20,563 each time they finished a race, 849 01:13:20,688 --> 01:13:25,285 Mike would say, "Well, that's another bloody race I don't have to do again." 850 01:13:25,401 --> 01:13:27,074 But whichever way you slice it, 851 01:13:27,194 --> 01:13:30,664 he was in there with a chance of the Drivers' World Championship. 852 01:13:31,741 --> 01:13:35,086 In actual fact, he reckoned Peter would have won the World Championship 853 01:13:35,202 --> 01:13:37,671 and I think that made him upset. 854 01:13:40,207 --> 01:13:44,713 Between the Italian Grand Prix and the Moroccan Grand Prix, 855 01:13:44,837 --> 01:13:46,931 it was six very tense weeks. 856 01:13:48,966 --> 01:13:51,094 Everybody used to bug Mike, you know. 857 01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:55,940 Every time he went into a pub they'd say to him, "Mike, it's not long now." 858 01:13:56,057 --> 01:13:57,809 So we stayed at home. 859 01:13:59,560 --> 01:14:02,234 The British press were also fired up by the fact 860 01:14:02,354 --> 01:14:06,780 that there was now going to be a British Formula One World Champion driver 861 01:14:06,901 --> 01:14:09,120 for the very first time. 862 01:14:09,236 --> 01:14:13,412 The Daily Mirror characterized it as the "showdown in the sun." 863 01:14:15,618 --> 01:14:19,248 Michael was very nervous. He wasn't at all himself. 864 01:14:19,371 --> 01:14:23,001 You know, the sort of carefree person that he normally was. 865 01:14:25,628 --> 01:14:30,429 Sometimes he really had to slow down and rest and take it easy. 866 01:14:30,549 --> 01:14:33,849 So I was always aware when he felt like that 867 01:14:33,969 --> 01:14:36,643 that he had to take care of himself. 868 01:14:38,557 --> 01:14:43,063 You know, before a race I was amazed that Mike actually came into my room 869 01:14:43,187 --> 01:14:47,442 and stayed with me for the whole night, which was most unlike Mike. 870 01:14:47,566 --> 01:14:50,115 He just wanted to be with somebody, I think. 871 01:14:50,236 --> 01:14:51,988 I think he was very nervous. 872 01:15:06,377 --> 01:15:10,348 All that Moss had to do to win the World Championship 873 01:15:10,464 --> 01:15:14,469 was to beat Hawthorn and hopefully set fastest lap, 874 01:15:14,593 --> 01:15:19,520 which scored an extra point, with Mike finishing lower than third. 875 01:16:50,606 --> 01:16:52,483 At the end of the race in Morocco, 876 01:16:52,608 --> 01:16:56,488 Phil Hill had done the decent thing and handed second place to Hawthorn. 877 01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:59,035 Moss had done everything he could do. He'd won. 878 01:16:59,156 --> 01:17:00,658 He'd set fastest lap. 879 01:17:00,783 --> 01:17:05,209 But still, when it was all over, Mike Hawthorn was the World Champion. 880 01:17:07,539 --> 01:17:11,089 Mr Ferrari's reaction to winning the World Championship, 881 01:17:11,210 --> 01:17:15,681 after what in so many ways had been that catastrophic year, 882 01:17:15,798 --> 01:17:18,677 was one of immense overwhelming relief. 883 01:17:19,551 --> 01:17:24,057 Moss ended up one point, just that solitary point, behind Hawthorn. 884 01:17:24,181 --> 01:17:29,028 So Mr Ferrari knew that they'd shaded it, but, hey, a win's a win. 885 01:17:32,940 --> 01:17:36,194 With a few laps to go, Stuart Lewis-Evans was running fourth 886 01:17:36,318 --> 01:17:39,413 but suddenly his engine seized, the car caught fire, 887 01:17:39,530 --> 01:17:41,953 and by the time the brilliant young Englishman was out, 888 01:17:42,074 --> 01:17:44,247 he was already severely burnt. 889 01:17:45,953 --> 01:17:49,127 That affected Mike because he hated drivers being hurt 890 01:17:49,248 --> 01:17:51,250 and he knew that Stuart was very ill. 891 01:17:52,126 --> 01:17:55,847 He told Enzo after the race that he wasn't going to race anymore 892 01:17:55,963 --> 01:17:57,636 and Enzo was furious. 893 01:17:58,799 --> 01:18:02,099 Can you give us any news of Stuart Lewis-Evans? 894 01:18:02,219 --> 01:18:04,142 He's quite badly burnt. 895 01:18:04,263 --> 01:18:08,143 He came back in the aeroplane on a stretcher with us just now. 896 01:18:08,267 --> 01:18:10,144 He was talking and drinking tea, 897 01:18:10,269 --> 01:18:13,398 but, um... he's obviously in quite a lot of pain. 898 01:18:14,189 --> 01:18:17,113 The flight home was bittersweet in the truest sense of the word. 899 01:18:17,234 --> 01:18:19,578 On one hand, Mike Hawthorn had won his World Championship. 900 01:18:19,695 --> 01:18:21,789 On the other, there was Stuart Lewis-Evans' 901 01:18:21,905 --> 01:18:23,873 terrible agony from these burns. 902 01:18:24,950 --> 01:18:26,952 He died a few days later in London. 903 01:18:27,077 --> 01:18:30,377 You look at footage of Mike having won the World Championship, 904 01:18:30,497 --> 01:18:32,215 he doesn't look to be happy. 905 01:18:32,333 --> 01:18:34,085 But then why would he? 906 01:18:34,209 --> 01:18:38,259 It was a year that in many ways Mike would have wanted to have forgotten 907 01:18:38,380 --> 01:18:40,803 and yet he was World Champion. 908 01:18:45,512 --> 01:18:47,560 He was a very good World Champion 909 01:18:47,681 --> 01:18:50,184 because he looked good and he spoke well, 910 01:18:50,309 --> 01:18:53,313 so he wore the mantle extremely well. 911 01:18:54,313 --> 01:18:56,782 I've had eight years of racing. 912 01:18:56,899 --> 01:19:02,281 In eight years I got to the top. So I decided now's the time. 913 01:19:02,404 --> 01:19:04,998 Thank you all very, very much indeed for coming along 914 01:19:05,115 --> 01:19:07,413 and being so patient to listen to me. 915 01:19:07,534 --> 01:19:11,630 And I hope one day some of you will come along and join me 916 01:19:11,747 --> 01:19:15,126 and we'll empty that lot. Thank you very much. 917 01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:38,653 On the 22nd of January, 1959, 918 01:19:38,774 --> 01:19:41,744 Mike had a lunch appointment up in London. 919 01:19:42,569 --> 01:19:46,369 He didn't want to go to London that day. He wasn't feeling very well. 920 01:19:46,490 --> 01:19:48,208 I knew that he was in a lot of pain 921 01:19:48,325 --> 01:19:52,250 and I'd seen him on the floor writhing around in agony. 922 01:19:53,789 --> 01:19:58,841 When I came back to England, my most urgent thing was to see Mike. 923 01:19:58,961 --> 01:20:01,760 We said, "OK, we'll see each other after that luncheon," 924 01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:04,099 and he would come to my hotel. 925 01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:08,304 As he went along the Hog's Back road, 926 01:20:08,429 --> 01:20:12,775 he came up behind a Mercedes-Benz 300SL Gullwing 927 01:20:12,891 --> 01:20:16,646 and he recognized the driver immediately as Rob Walker. 928 01:20:16,770 --> 01:20:20,695 I saw a Jaguar come up behind me and I saw it was Mike Hawthorn 929 01:20:20,816 --> 01:20:25,788 and we both accelerated as hard as we could alongside each other. 930 01:20:26,947 --> 01:20:31,373 Rob was thinking, "Oh, this is all getting a bit much for me" 931 01:20:31,493 --> 01:20:34,042 and I'm not really a racing driver, though I'm keen." 932 01:20:47,426 --> 01:20:50,680 I was so looking forward to seeing him. 933 01:20:50,804 --> 01:20:54,308 I wanted very much to have Mike tell me what it's like 934 01:20:54,433 --> 01:20:57,107 to be in a serious accident. 935 01:20:57,227 --> 01:21:00,902 Does your whole life run in front of you or what happens? 936 01:21:34,181 --> 01:21:38,027 When I walked into the hotel, 937 01:21:38,143 --> 01:21:41,864 the receptionist knew me. 938 01:21:41,980 --> 01:21:46,861 Peter had always stayed in that hotel. He was very aware of things. 939 01:21:46,985 --> 01:21:49,704 The receptionist didn't look at me. 940 01:21:49,821 --> 01:21:55,294 And I got into the elevator, up to whatever floor I was on, 941 01:21:55,410 --> 01:22:00,257 went into my room and knock on the door, 942 01:22:00,374 --> 01:22:03,969 and it was the manager of the hotel 943 01:22:04,086 --> 01:22:06,589 and he told me that Mike had died. 944 01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:15,101 And I just... I mean, I... It was shattering. It was shattering. 945 01:22:15,222 --> 01:22:16,895 It was just awful. 946 01:22:18,016 --> 01:22:21,987 Rob managed to get the back door open and bent down 947 01:22:22,104 --> 01:22:24,983 and he told me that as he looked at Mike, 948 01:22:25,107 --> 01:22:31,615 Mike's eyes glazed and there was a gentle gasp 949 01:22:31,738 --> 01:22:33,206 and that was it. 950 01:22:52,467 --> 01:22:55,767 I was up in Yorkshire when I heard the news 951 01:22:55,887 --> 01:22:57,889 and I just didn't believe it. 952 01:23:00,434 --> 01:23:02,061 But, um... 953 01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:05,398 When I did believe it, a lot of... 954 01:23:05,522 --> 01:23:08,776 I had a lot of friends in that part of the world and they... 955 01:23:10,485 --> 01:23:13,329 I think... I seem to remember going for a long walk on the moors. 956 01:23:17,534 --> 01:23:20,003 I think I heard it on the television at home 957 01:23:20,120 --> 01:23:25,047 and it was, you know, it was very, very, very sad 958 01:23:25,167 --> 01:23:28,341 and, you know, so... so unnecessary, really, 959 01:23:28,462 --> 01:23:32,888 but it's easy to say that with the benefit of hindsight. 960 01:23:40,182 --> 01:23:45,063 I think it's that he had a blackout 961 01:23:45,187 --> 01:23:46,905 because he knew that road backwards. 962 01:23:47,022 --> 01:23:50,242 He knew the car. He used to race that car. 963 01:23:50,359 --> 01:23:52,157 That road, it might have been slippery, 964 01:23:52,277 --> 01:23:55,577 but Mike's been in... in masses of skids, 965 01:23:55,697 --> 01:23:56,914 so I think he had a blackout 966 01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:00,457 and he didn't really know anything about the accident at all. 967 01:24:00,577 --> 01:24:03,251 That's what I think and that's what I hope. 968 01:24:08,752 --> 01:24:11,676 Whichever way you look at it, Mike's life was tragic. 969 01:24:11,797 --> 01:24:17,395 He only got to savor his World Championship for three months 970 01:24:17,511 --> 01:24:19,309 and then it all just went away. 971 01:24:24,851 --> 01:24:29,152 People who knew him well said to me he would not have made 35. 972 01:24:30,607 --> 01:24:33,030 Whether that's true or not, I don't know. 973 01:24:33,151 --> 01:24:35,529 Um... But... 974 01:24:35,654 --> 01:24:37,372 But the prognosis wasn't very good. 975 01:24:38,657 --> 01:24:42,753 His last Christmas was spent in bed. He wasn't at all well. 976 01:24:42,869 --> 01:24:44,542 I didn't know how ill he was. 977 01:24:44,663 --> 01:24:46,961 His doctor told me later 978 01:24:47,082 --> 01:24:49,881 that he only had a few years to live. 979 01:24:50,794 --> 01:24:55,891 So the way he went, I suppose, it was the best way for Mike. 980 01:24:59,761 --> 01:25:02,184 You've been quite straightforward 981 01:25:02,305 --> 01:25:03,477 about some of those who quit. 982 01:25:03,598 --> 01:25:09,230 You said, "Time will prove the worth of all these people." 983 01:25:09,354 --> 01:25:14,485 It is not up to humans to judge 984 01:25:14,609 --> 01:25:17,032 what we are supposed to believe. 985 01:25:17,154 --> 01:25:20,829 Only time can do that. And time is relentless. 986 01:25:26,496 --> 01:25:28,749 If you put a racing driver in a racing car, 987 01:25:28,874 --> 01:25:33,300 he's always going to take it to the limit and beyond if necessary. 988 01:25:33,420 --> 01:25:37,345 Um... Ferrari certainly didn't discourage that. 989 01:25:37,466 --> 01:25:40,470 He wanted drivers who thought like that. 990 01:25:42,220 --> 01:25:45,064 I would say, first and foremost... 991 01:25:46,224 --> 01:25:51,321 that I did nothing other than what gave me pleasure. 992 01:25:53,148 --> 01:25:58,905 I just did something that mattered to me, in a purely selfish way. 993 01:25:59,029 --> 01:26:00,952 I only find comfort in the thought 994 01:26:01,072 --> 01:26:06,374 that what I did wasn't detrimental to anybody. 995 01:26:08,747 --> 01:26:11,842 It was phenomenal with Castellotti and Musso and Portago 996 01:26:11,958 --> 01:26:14,302 and Collins and Hawthorn. 997 01:26:14,419 --> 01:26:15,591 That was an amazing bunch. 998 01:26:15,712 --> 01:26:19,762 An amazing bunch of characters as well as a bunch of talents. 999 01:26:19,883 --> 01:26:22,727 And to lose those drivers one after another, 1000 01:26:22,844 --> 01:26:25,848 it was a terrible thing, it couldn't happen now, 1001 01:26:25,972 --> 01:26:29,442 and it was probably unique in sporting history. 1002 01:26:30,560 --> 01:26:35,236 Well, they were rather like fighter pilots or gladiators, I suppose. 1003 01:26:35,357 --> 01:26:36,825 They were... 1004 01:26:36,942 --> 01:26:38,660 They were stars. 1005 01:26:40,403 --> 01:26:43,327 They would have been the first out of the trench or over the top, 1006 01:26:43,448 --> 01:26:45,576 the first off the landing craft. 1007 01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:47,452 These guys were... 1008 01:26:51,373 --> 01:26:53,125 They were warriors. 1009 01:28:38,563 --> 01:28:40,986 Subtitles (English SDH): BTI Studios 1010 01:31:23,394 --> 01:31:24,566 English 90060

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