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911, what is your emergency?
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Ask them to help us
get a National Guard unit.
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Maybe with a helicopter to us.
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Let's get over
to Granby Town Hall!
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We need a National Guard
unit and a helicopter.
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-...through the trees, he's going up towards the fire hole. -Get him blocked. Stop him!
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...or Army National Guard,
need a whole lot of people...
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- Oh, no!
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Hello,
my name is Marvin Heemeyer.
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Today is April 13th, 2004.
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This tape is about my life
since I came up here in 1991.
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I am making this tape--
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really didn't think
it would make any difference
if I didn't make it,
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but a good friend of mine
said I should make it.
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Uh, he said I should sit down in front of a videotape machine
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and do it, but you're just
gonna have to take my word,
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this is Marv Heemeyer,
serial number 503-68-9471.
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I wanna say right now,
God bless me in advance
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for the task
that I am about to undertake.
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Marv Heemeyer,
he was from South Dakota
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and, uh, he served
in the Air Force.
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He realized that he had
a knack for welding,
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working on engines, and motors. He was stationed in Colorado
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and decided
to stay in Colorado when he
got out of the Air Force.
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I moved up here
in the Fall in 1991
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to kind of take
a six-month vacation.
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I decided that, you know,
I probably ought to buy
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some property up here
to have something to do,
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so I, uh, looked
at this tree lot,
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with two little cabins, where
I'm living in here right now.
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And had a beautiful view.
The place was really cheap,
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so I bought them.
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He worked at a muffler shop.
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Moved up very quickly
in the business.
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At some point he just decided,
"Heck, I can do this myself,"
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and he went out and setup
his own muffler shops.
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He was able to have income
from businesses that
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he had started
mostly in Northern Denver
and Boulder area.
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You know, if you got a champagne income with a beer keg,
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you're gonna do well. And that's what I've always had.
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Always believed that's
the way it should be.
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That's the only way
I could get ahead.
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I'm sure
he counted pennies in every
endeavor he ever undertook,
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and he wanted to run businesses
well so that they succeeded.
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And I think he cared
about his craft.
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I knew of Marv Heemeyer
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because he ran
a muffler shop in Granby.
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He did a lot of great work
for people,
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ran that muffler shop
for a lot of years.
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Uh, I even had work done
at his shop.
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He had a reputation as being
the best welder around.
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We put this truck together
and the box was bouncing.
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I took it down there and said,
"Hey, Marv, what do you think?"
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And he said,
"Oh, I can fix that."
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And he grabbed his welder
and he ju-ju-ju, you know,
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it was done. Never broke,
never-- I mean, the guy
was a hell of a welder.
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He had a great reputation
in the town.
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I mean, he was an outdoorsman.
He loved to snowmobile.
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I didn't ever meet
anybody who disliked him.
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I call it successful.
I think I was
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a very poor person
most of my life,
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but I--f--for who I was
and th--where I,
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what I was, I think
I was a very rich man.
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And I am thankful to God
for giving me that life.
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I met Marvin
in the Lariat Saloon
in Grand Lake.
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I was there with a friend. He came in and he asked me out.
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I had not dated in
five years, you know.
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My marriage had split up
and, um,
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but for some reason um,
I said yes and
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we went out and started seeing
each other for several years.
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He's old--
he was old school to me.
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You know,
men aren't-- people-- society
doesn't allow that anymore.
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You know, he's a handshake's
a handshake kind of guy to me.
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I mean, he was confident
and I thought he was handsome.
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And he was larger than life. You know, I felt safe with him.
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It's kind of personal,
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but he was the first man
that I was intimate with
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after my marriage.
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He was wonderful to me.
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He only met my children once,
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and he never had children,
as you know.
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But we did
quite a few road trips together
and never a dull moment.
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Marv loved to snowmobile.
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Ah, the Thursday group.
Every Thursday they'd take
the day off and go ride.
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Sometimes you'd have four guys,
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sometimes you'd have 24 riders.
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Just a great bunch of guys
to go out and ride with.
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Little Matty was the youngest.
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When I started riding with Marv and the Thursday crew,
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I was 16 years old.
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And these guys were 40, 50.
I couldn't drink with them.
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I couldn't do any of that stuff.
I had to go home to Mom
and answer to Mom still.
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Marv was in some respects,
he took me under his wing.
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He helped teach me how
to snowmobile,
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work on snowmobiles.
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He was always a mentor
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and always helped, always gave.
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He was my best friend. I looked
at him as my bigger brother.
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I let Marv lead
unless it was someplace
I knew better than him.
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That's where
we came from over there.
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This is here,
where we're supposed to be,
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and that's where Stu went,
way over there!
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Marv made glove dryers.
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We had a Marv grill.
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Marv would take stock steel,
bend it,
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custom to every machine.
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You weren't a snowmobiler
in Grand Lake unless you had
a Marv bumper.
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It would take
down four-inch trees,
five-inch trees
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and you'd just keep going.
That was a Marv bumper.
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Yeah, he was the king, yeah.
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If he got beat
by anybody on the mountain
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that was the last time
he got beat by that person.
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He bought me my own Polaris
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that he taught me
how to get off trail
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and when in doubt, gas it.
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It's a kind of a community that in order for you to get ahead,
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you have to keep
the neighbor down. It's not...
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you know, building yourself up
on your own merit,
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it's tear the other guy down.
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Grand County definitely at one
time was the Wild, Wild West.
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We've modernized it
from ,
but it is not uncommon
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at all in the wintertime
to have two weeks straight
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where the temperature
doesn't get above 10 degrees.
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You have to be
a little more independent,
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a little more
willing to do without.
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You have to like small towns.
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You kind of live
in a fishbowl to some extent
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because your neighbors
kind of know your business
a little more
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than they would be in the city.
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That can cause conflict.
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After a few months
of living here I happen
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to cross a piece of property
down there in Granby,
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and this was about a month
before they were gonna have
this FDIC auction.
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Marv originally
bought the property
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that he was on
in a public auction.
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They were selling
FDIC-foreclosed properties.
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Three thousand
square foot building
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and it had two
acres of ground.
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They had a bid for $35,000
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from some guy upfront.
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So, finally, they caught
my bid, so I got--
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the guy bid for 40.
And this other guy
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jumped up on a chair.
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I come to find out his name
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was Cody Docheff.
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Cody Docheff
is the owner
of Mountain Park Concrete.
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The Docheffs were looking
for land upon which to put
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this concrete operation
with an indoor batch plant.
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Docheff also showed up
with Gus Harris.
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Gus Harris was his buddy
there, sitting beside him.
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Gus was sponsoring the whole
financing on this thing,
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and Gus wasn't gonna pay
more than 50 grand for it
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and I was waiting for him
to bid and he wouldn't bid,
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so I got the property.
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Marv says that
after he got the property
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he was accosted by Cody.
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This guy
came back there and
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introduced himself to me,
in fact, the rudest,
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most arrogant person.
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I mean, this guy's just
a fucking asshole.
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Come back and just
introduced himself by
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giving me a tongue lashing
for about 10 minutes.
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I mean, this is the only guy
of all the properties
that sold before his,
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that was doing any screaming
at anybody during the auction.
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What I like about it here is we're in God's country.
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Why live anywhere else?
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But I don't like the way
the county's run.
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There's a good ol' boys club.
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When he bought
the property it had
nothing more than just
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a concrete mixer tank
that was holding the sewage.
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In the summer of '92,
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they wanted me to be
annexed into the water
and sanitation district,
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so I said, "Great." I just
expected it to go through.
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Ron Thompson was on the board
for the sewer district.
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Ron was pretty outspoken in the board meetings,
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so he may have said things that upset Marv at that meeting
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and taken a leadership role in making the decisions they made.
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Well, as it turns out,
the closest sewer main
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was many hundreds of feet
away from Marv's property,
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so in order for Marv
to hook onto that,
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he would have had to build
a long service line
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from his property to the main.
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When he learned that to do
all that was gonna cost him
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anywhere from 60 to 70, maybe even 80 thousand dollars,
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Marv was upset.
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They make you pay
for the installation
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of the sewer line
that you don't want,
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and then you have to still
hook yourself up.
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That's life-changing money.
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Marv refused to do that.
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I never heard him talk bad
about anybody
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but the people that did him bad,
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the good ol' boys club.
He did not like 'em.
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I never had anybody
sit there and plan
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to cut me out
of an opportunity
like the Thompsons did
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when they denied me access
to their sanitation district.
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It doesn't make any sense
other than that
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it was the good ol' boys patting each other on the back.
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Had they not done that,
I can assure you
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the outcome, the whole thing
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would have been
completely different!
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The Thompson family was what I'd
call a Granby legacy family,
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a wealthy working family
in the Granby area,
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making their money
off of excavation,
but also living off
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the fact that they owned
a lot of the land just because
they'd been here forever.
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The first Thompson clan that
settled in Granby
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actually bought
lodging properties
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and in the course
of that they bought
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little pieces of property
around town.
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The Thompsons formed
their own excavation company.
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Dick Thompson was the son
of the first Thompson family.
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Dick had several children.
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Ron was kind of a,
a leading son in the family.
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Larry was kind
of the older son who helped,
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and Gary went
right along with him
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doing a lot
of the excavation work.
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Gus Harris and Cody Docheff
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and the powers that be,
the Thompsons,
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if they would have left
me alone,
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I wouldn't have had
this righteous anger
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that I have
towards the Thompsons,
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their hierarchy, their attitude
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that they have left in that
community for so many years.
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And so many people think
like they do,
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screw your neighbor.
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In Marv's eyes,
the Thompson family
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was the epitome
of the Granby establishment
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that did everything
they could to thwart Marv.
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Well, I'm making
lemonade out of lemons,
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you know, I just
kept on about my business
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because this is a small
community and, you know,
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I need to fit in.
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Life was pretty good
and I was making
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a real good income
out of there.
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And in '98, the town went
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and spot-zoned the two acres
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directly south of me,
which is illegal in Colorado.
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And because no one protested it
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within 30 days, it became law
that they could do that.
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And this Docheff guy,
he's gonna sign
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and buy the property
next door to the west of me,
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and has a contract
on it to purchase it.
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And they were going to be able
to put this concrete plant
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right there
next to all those houses,
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downwind of the town.
And Cody's motivation
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was to get back at Marv.
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Well, I find this out too late
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and I be--I was right
in the dust pale
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of this whole operation.
And that wasn't gonna work
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because I didn't want
no frickin' concrete plant
next to me.
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There was opposition
to the concrete plant,
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and we heard
we had public hearings.
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Uh, I was acting mayor
because the mayor
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and the mayor pro tem both
had conflicts of interest,
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so I presided
over the public hearings.
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We allowed the public
to come in, and it was
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a packed house.
People spoke for it,
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for the service
the concrete would provide.
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And there was lots of people
that spoke out against it.
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Marv Heemeyer
did a great job of arousing
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public sentiment in his favor
against the batch plant.
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He felt that the batch plant
would hurt his business.
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He claimed
that there would be dust,
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that there would be noise, that there would be excess traffic.
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Who knew what they were going
to do to the water supply.
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He also made that argument
on behalf of people
in the neighborhood.
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Marv got a lot of these
people to show up and,
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basically, say we don't want it, we don't like it,
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what are you going to do
to our neighborhood?
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They voiced a lot
of the concerns
that Marv was voicing.
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This went on for a series
of three, four, maybe
even five meetings.
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And there'd be discourse and,
and discussion,
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and Cody would jump up
because he was so upset.
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He has, he's a fiery guy.
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The town ultimately approved
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Cody's batch plant down there,
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but with a host of,
of conditions,
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the typical things
that you see.
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I think I read the motion,
the whereas
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and the wherefores
and all that stuff
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to approve the batch plant.
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And it was
at that meeting in '99
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where Marv promised
he'd fight 'em
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the whole way.
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In nature, wolves, coyotes,
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they have their territory.
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A mother just--look
at the mother,
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she will fight
to protect her young.
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And a male, a male
will definitely protect
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his territory. If he doesn't, he'll be overrun.
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Now, if an animal will do this,
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why wouldn't a man?
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In the meantime, the town is
cracking down hard on Marv
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saying there is a serious issue with your water and sewer.
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He ended up going
to Granby Municipal Court.
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Judge Noriyuki was presiding.
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She said we find you
in violation.
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We're gonna give you
a deferred judgment, however,
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and you can't use
the property for anything
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until you're hooked
up to water and sewer.
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You have to connect,
but 400 feet's a long way.
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There could be a piece
of property in the way
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and in this case
there was: Cody's.
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He needed the easement.
Cody wasn't gonna give him
the easement.
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The town contacts
him and says we're gonna
fine you $100 a day
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because you're operating
a business and you're not
hooked up to the sewer.
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Marv wrote a check to the town,
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and he wrote
on the memo line,
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"Cowards and Liars
Department."
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And to add insult to injury,
they sent it back
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and said
the amount is incorrect.
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Well, this clearly angered Marv. He shows up at the town hall.
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They kept fining him because
he was an out-of-towner.
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He came up here
and small town...
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In Marv's mind
this was just another example
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of the town
not treating him fairly.
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The Docheffs
were moving forward
with their proposal.
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Suddenly Marv
shows up with an attorney
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then he's saying I think that
we've caught you in a mistake.
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The town board was stunned.
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They called an executive
session, kicked everybody out.
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They said, well, we're gonna
put everything on hold
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until we can decide
what we're gonna do.
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The attorney made
us be very
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dot the i's, cross the t's,
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so we wanted to make sure
that whatever we did,
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we were right on the money with.
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They came back and said we're
gonna let them restart
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from square one so that
we can do it right this time.
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As a last ditch effort,
Marv filed a lawsuit
in district court.
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But the Docheffs,
they're serious about building
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this batch plant
as quickly as possible.
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They're moving forward as if
there's not any barrier
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to their progress at all.
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There's heavy equipment
operating
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at the soon-to-be
batch plant site.
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Marv is sitting here
watching all this happening,
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and I think he is
just stewing about it.
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You put yourself in my shoes
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and tell me
how you would feel,
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realizing that you've wasted
10 years of your life
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because of someone's malice.
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He's putting out money and he's getting shut down every corner,
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and then it was to nothing. I don't know how much he spent.
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I know one time he had
150 grand into it.
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And I said, "Well, you shouldn't
have spent that much money
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on these assholes because you
can't fight the government."
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Nine months later, the court
made its ruling on the lawsuit.
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Judge Doucet dismissed
the lawsuit completely.
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Suddenly,
Marv had nobody on his side.
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My attorney,
as paid off as he was,
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that's all he was doing
was making money on the deal.
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He didn't care if I win or lose. As a matter of fact he said
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that he wouldn't appeal it.
I always told him, I says,
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"It's good enough
if we lose to appeal it
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to a higher court."
He though wouldn't do it.
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He would not appeal it.
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You know, they think that I
should have to stay down there
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in Granby. I should have kept
my muffler shop going.
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I should have put up with all the dust, all the, the snickers.
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You know the--the town council, I'd pass them in the post office
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and they'd snicker at me
after they knew I lost.
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On the street, Casey Farrell,
what a barbarian.
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He comes across being one
of those good guys.
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He's part of the problem.
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They knew what they were doing.
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They were trying
to run him out of town.
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The town had a hard on
for Marv Heemeyer.
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They didn't stop a thing!
Marv didn't have
any malice towards us.
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This is a sign to not do this.
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No, they kept it
in their hardened hearts...
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and said we'll get him.
They started getting me
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in 1992 when they kept me off
the sanitation district.
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They started getting me when
Gus Harris sold the property
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to Cody Docheff.
They got me when they issued
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the building permit
to Cody Docheff
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for the concrete plant
and denied
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that it was
for the concrete plant.
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Are we all stupid?
Come on, they knew!
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And when I would ask them
these questions--
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but what you won't find
in the minutes,
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they would just shut right up,
stonewall you.
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They didn't have an answer.
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I'd shoot the truth
in their face
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and they couldn't deal
with it. And, and I'm sorry,
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they are going to have
to deal with it.
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I guarantee you I am going
to make them deal with it.
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The battle with
the town of Granby, you know,
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um we talked about it,
but I didn't get that feeling
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that he was so angry.
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No one realized how...
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how... God, distorted
it was becoming to him.
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Marv was feeling defeated,
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humiliated, and at his wit's end
about what he was gonna do.
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He goes out, sits
in his hot tub with a beer
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in his hand,
and has inspiration.
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When I was sitting
in the hot tub, and I mean
I was, I was weeping.
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And a peace came over me
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where I knew God
wanted me to do it.
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And I didn't understand.
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I said, "Why did you ask me
to do this?
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Is that why
I've never been married,
so I didn't have a family?
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00:22:08,217 --> 00:22:10,741
Is that why I've always
been successful
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so that I would realize
my rewards for doing
this task?"
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But it has to be done.
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And the world
will write stories
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00:22:21,230 --> 00:22:23,101
about how wrong I am
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and without a doubt I wish it
could be done a different way
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00:22:27,454 --> 00:22:30,544
but there is no way
to make this right.
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You picked on the wrong man!
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Cody,
do you remember the first time
you met Marv at that auction?
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There is the difference
of points of view or memory
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about what happened
after Marv got it.
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00:23:08,669 --> 00:23:12,455
Cody Docheff, I mean this guy's just a fucking asshole.
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Come back and just introduced
himself by giving me
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a tongue lashing
for about 10 minutes.
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00:23:26,077 --> 00:23:30,517
The reason I ask
is that Marv claims that
you guys talked afterwards.
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I talked to this guy
forever it seems like,
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and everybody around me, they
couldn't believe this asshole.
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And this is the only guy of all the properties sold before his
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that was doing any screaming
at anybody during the auction.
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00:23:46,620 --> 00:23:48,273
Gus doesn't remember it either.
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00:23:49,753 --> 00:23:54,018
I uh, I've been a school
bus driver for 50 years.
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00:23:54,062 --> 00:23:57,848
Cody has been a good friend
for many, many years.
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We have gone to auctions
together before on times.
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00:24:00,764 --> 00:24:05,943
So, Cody went with me
but he had no party
in the-- in the auction.
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00:24:05,987 --> 00:24:10,861
Cody and I sat and listened
to another bid or two.
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00:24:10,905 --> 00:24:13,429
There really wasn't much
of anything happened.
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00:24:13,473 --> 00:24:17,868
I don't know
what Marv did. I wasn't paying
any attention to him really.
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00:24:17,912 --> 00:24:21,872
And then we just got up
and, and, uh, left. Yeah.
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00:24:23,831 --> 00:24:28,575
Cody would maybe be
interested in the property
at a, at a future time,
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00:24:28,618 --> 00:24:32,013
but, uh, there was no agreement or talk between us
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of him owning that property.
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00:24:36,234 --> 00:24:38,976
Cody would have been mad
at anybody who would
have bought the property,
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00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:43,503
anybody, but, but you gotta go
there with enough money.
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00:24:43,546 --> 00:24:46,549
Otherwise you're the problem.
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00:24:46,593 --> 00:24:49,552
It's your fault
that this happened, not mine.
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00:24:51,772 --> 00:24:56,341
Marv in his tapes, the way
he characterizes the town,
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00:24:56,385 --> 00:25:00,041
me and many other people, just
did not reflect what I thought
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was the way those people
really were and really are.
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00:25:03,435 --> 00:25:05,307
I wasted...
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00:25:06,743 --> 00:25:10,268
thirteen years of my life
down there
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00:25:10,878 --> 00:25:14,359
because the Thompsons
were pissed off
444
00:25:14,403 --> 00:25:16,361
that I bought that property.
445
00:25:19,408 --> 00:25:22,672
We lived here all of our life.
We were born and raised here.
446
00:25:23,978 --> 00:25:27,198
Probably gonna die here, so.
Where else you gonna go, but...
447
00:25:27,982 --> 00:25:31,942
No, our dad started here
in business in 1949.
448
00:25:31,986 --> 00:25:34,858
We had our mom, our dad,
then we had another brother
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00:25:34,902 --> 00:25:38,993
between the two of us that got sick in '02, and he passed away.
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00:25:40,211 --> 00:25:44,041
And everybody has
their hardships, so we had
more than our fair share.
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00:25:44,085 --> 00:25:46,087
-A raft of 'em.
-A raft of 'em.
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00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:50,613
And the popular conception of the Thompson brothers is that
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they are the hardest working
millionaires in the county.
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They probably could live well
off of the revenue
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00:25:55,966 --> 00:25:58,665
from their property
that they have in Granby.
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00:25:58,708 --> 00:26:01,232
They could probably hire people but they don't.
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00:26:01,276 --> 00:26:04,192
They choose to work
and I actually think
they like the work.
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00:26:04,758 --> 00:26:06,629
We got
a whole yard full of stuff.
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00:26:06,673 --> 00:26:08,936
We don't hire any help.
We just do it ourselves.
460
00:26:08,979 --> 00:26:11,852
It's fun, so keeps us
out of trouble, so...
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00:26:13,505 --> 00:26:18,119
I spent one day here
in the spring of 2003,
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00:26:18,162 --> 00:26:23,341
the Thompson brothers
were down below my house
here in Grand Lake,
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00:26:23,385 --> 00:26:25,605
digging a foundation
for a house.
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00:26:25,648 --> 00:26:28,738
Larry Thompson was standing out by his truck by himself,
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00:26:28,782 --> 00:26:31,828
so I drove up to him and had
a few words with him.
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00:26:31,872 --> 00:26:34,526
Basically what I told him was
that, "You know, Larry,
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00:26:34,570 --> 00:26:37,921
you know, about in 1992,
your family
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00:26:37,965 --> 00:26:42,143
financially affected my life
for the rest of my life."
469
00:26:42,186 --> 00:26:45,842
Well, Marv had a beef
with our dad because
he was on the town board,
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00:26:46,626 --> 00:26:51,456
town council for a lot of years.
And in the last years
of his life, he was the mayor.
471
00:26:51,500 --> 00:26:55,896
And I says, "You owe me,
I want $300,000 from you."
472
00:26:55,939 --> 00:26:57,985
And he says it'll never happen.
473
00:26:58,028 --> 00:27:00,683
And I says,
"Well, I guarantee you, Larry,
474
00:27:00,727 --> 00:27:02,337
I'm gonna collect."
475
00:27:02,380 --> 00:27:04,687
One day, we always
was friendly to him,
476
00:27:04,731 --> 00:27:06,820
you know, and he rolled
his window down and he says,
477
00:27:06,863 --> 00:27:09,300
"I'm gonna get you guys." And
rolled his windows up and left,
478
00:27:09,344 --> 00:27:11,476
and that's the last time
we ever talked to him.
479
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:15,350
He basically confirmed
in my mind right there
480
00:27:16,612 --> 00:27:18,179
that he knew
what I was talking about.
481
00:27:18,222 --> 00:27:20,224
And he knew what had been done
482
00:27:20,268 --> 00:27:22,705
because he had one thing
to say. He screamed it at me
483
00:27:22,749 --> 00:27:25,055
as I am about five truck
lengths away.
484
00:27:25,099 --> 00:27:28,929
He screamed,
"You can suck my dick!"
485
00:27:28,972 --> 00:27:31,845
Well, when someone
is that frustrated
486
00:27:31,888 --> 00:27:34,151
that they've gotta say
something like that,
487
00:27:34,195 --> 00:27:35,849
you know they know.
488
00:27:37,589 --> 00:27:40,462
It was all politics related, so
489
00:27:40,505 --> 00:27:43,378
I don't think anybody
ever done him wrong on purpose.
490
00:27:46,468 --> 00:27:47,817
You never know
what gets into people.
491
00:27:49,732 --> 00:27:51,342
He's a cowardly bastard.
492
00:27:53,301 --> 00:27:55,869
He's a Catholic,
and I think they are
some of the biggest cowards
493
00:27:55,912 --> 00:27:59,220
I have ever met.
They believe the only way
that they can stay on top
494
00:27:59,786 --> 00:28:01,701
is to keep their neighbor down.
495
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,748
I think
that Marv might have seen
in the Thompson family
496
00:28:05,792 --> 00:28:08,838
an example of what he
may have really aspired to,
497
00:28:09,709 --> 00:28:13,930
which was being a relatively
wealthy, land-owning family
498
00:28:13,974 --> 00:28:18,108
that worked with their hands,
worked with heavy equipment,
499
00:28:18,152 --> 00:28:21,633
that were able to make a living
at it and be successful.
500
00:28:22,765 --> 00:28:25,681
This is
my die-cast toy collection.
501
00:28:25,725 --> 00:28:29,554
I've probably been collecting
15 years now,
maybe a little longer.
502
00:28:30,425 --> 00:28:33,080
And this is kind of my hobby
that I do in the evenings,
503
00:28:33,123 --> 00:28:34,559
mainly in the wintertime.
504
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,259
So I just buy one,
two toys once in a while
505
00:28:38,302 --> 00:28:39,390
as I can afford it.
506
00:28:41,349 --> 00:28:43,046
Is this your favorite truck?
507
00:28:43,090 --> 00:28:44,482
They're all favorite trucks.
508
00:28:45,005 --> 00:28:46,746
They're our toys.
509
00:28:49,096 --> 00:28:51,838
So... But anyway.
510
00:28:54,318 --> 00:28:56,973
I went down to talk to Marv
about his business
511
00:28:57,017 --> 00:28:59,367
and whether he'd like us to do
a new business story,
512
00:28:59,410 --> 00:29:00,977
and would he like to buy
some advertising.
513
00:29:04,328 --> 00:29:07,201
And Marv was only open
at select hours.
514
00:29:07,244 --> 00:29:11,031
Marv ran that business
so he could indulge
in his snowmobiling habit.
515
00:29:11,074 --> 00:29:13,381
I must've gone back down
to the muffler shop
516
00:29:13,424 --> 00:29:16,384
three-four times
and Marv was never there.
517
00:29:17,341 --> 00:29:19,996
This newspaper guy,
Patrick Brower,
518
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,172
this guy hated me.
519
00:29:22,216 --> 00:29:25,045
When I first came
up here in uh '91,
520
00:29:25,088 --> 00:29:26,916
he said that
he was gonna come down
521
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:28,439
and do an article
on my little business.
522
00:29:28,483 --> 00:29:30,485
Well, he never did do it.
523
00:29:30,528 --> 00:29:33,140
You know, he was doing everything he could
524
00:29:33,183 --> 00:29:36,578
to keep me from getting
any additional publicity.
525
00:29:36,621 --> 00:29:39,015
He knows how to abuse
the power of the pen.
526
00:29:39,059 --> 00:29:42,540
And that's a big thing
up here is abuse of power.
527
00:29:42,584 --> 00:29:44,804
When the time came
where I ran into Marv,
528
00:29:44,847 --> 00:29:46,936
he was all upset with me
for never doing his story.
529
00:29:46,980 --> 00:29:49,417
I said, "Marv, why don't
I just give you an ad."
530
00:29:50,287 --> 00:29:52,986
Yeah, I took a photo of Marv
and ran a free ad for him.
531
00:29:53,029 --> 00:29:55,727
It was I think a $200 ad
that he got for nothing.
532
00:29:55,771 --> 00:29:59,079
I know
the newspaper guy, that guy,
533
00:29:59,122 --> 00:30:01,951
he has told so many lies.
It's one thing about lying--
534
00:30:01,995 --> 00:30:05,650
you tell a lie,
usually you gotta tell
five more to cover that up.
535
00:30:12,788 --> 00:30:16,966
I came to Granby in '78,
three kids raised here.
536
00:30:17,010 --> 00:30:18,663
Bought the store in '92.
537
00:30:18,707 --> 00:30:21,362
We try to be part
of the community
538
00:30:21,405 --> 00:30:23,886
and support the community
because they support us.
539
00:30:23,930 --> 00:30:27,585
So that's how I got kind
of involved in town board thing.
540
00:30:27,629 --> 00:30:31,154
Casey Farrell,
what a barbarian.
541
00:30:31,763 --> 00:30:34,810
He comes across being
one of those good guys.
542
00:30:36,768 --> 00:30:38,335
He's part of the problem.
543
00:30:38,379 --> 00:30:40,729
Casey and Ronda Farrell
and their family
544
00:30:40,772 --> 00:30:43,210
are the kind of people
you want for neighbors.
545
00:30:43,253 --> 00:30:45,212
He never did anything
with ill intent.
546
00:30:45,952 --> 00:30:47,910
He never did anything
with malice.
547
00:30:47,954 --> 00:30:51,653
The town council, I'd pass them in the post office
548
00:30:51,696 --> 00:30:55,091
and they'd snicker at me
after they knew I lost.
549
00:30:56,919 --> 00:30:59,487
In that batch plant,
I felt like it was a positive,
550
00:30:59,530 --> 00:31:01,532
and I couldn't see
a downside for Marv.
551
00:31:02,577 --> 00:31:06,233
It was gonna supply concrete
so the community could grow.
552
00:31:06,276 --> 00:31:08,539
The opportunity for jobs.
553
00:31:08,583 --> 00:31:11,020
I mean, he might get a little
dust on his muffler shop,
554
00:31:11,064 --> 00:31:13,631
but it wasn't all that clean
to begin with.
555
00:31:13,675 --> 00:31:16,939
How many times do you have to try to deal with a man?
556
00:31:16,983 --> 00:31:21,378
Come on, Cody, be reasonable,
but that's what you cannot do
557
00:31:21,422 --> 00:31:24,512
with people in the mountains,
especially in Granby.
558
00:31:28,472 --> 00:31:31,911
Cody Docheff built his concrete business from the ground up.
559
00:31:31,954 --> 00:31:35,262
He's what I would call
a kind of a salt
of the earth businessman
560
00:31:35,305 --> 00:31:37,917
who, uh, is a doer.
He's a hard worker.
561
00:31:38,482 --> 00:31:40,876
Maybe Marv and Cody
had some head butting
562
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,618
just because they are both
alpha personalities
563
00:31:43,661 --> 00:31:44,967
or something of that nature.
564
00:31:46,751 --> 00:31:47,927
I think they're both
pretty good at what they do.
565
00:31:48,623 --> 00:31:50,320
Neither one of 'em
were trust fund babies.
566
00:31:51,017 --> 00:31:53,062
Cody's worked hard
to get where he's at.
567
00:31:53,106 --> 00:31:54,672
Cody's, Cody's Cody.
568
00:31:55,586 --> 00:31:57,545
-It's just his nature.
-It's just his nature.
569
00:31:57,588 --> 00:31:59,416
You know, he's just,
he tells it the way it is.
570
00:31:59,460 --> 00:32:01,679
-If you don't like it...
-He just tells ya.
571
00:32:01,723 --> 00:32:04,334
He tells ya, you know.
He's a good guy, you know.
572
00:32:04,378 --> 00:32:06,119
He'd do anything for ya,
but he's just...
573
00:32:06,815 --> 00:32:09,731
got a little short fuse,
goes off, but he's okay,
574
00:32:09,774 --> 00:32:11,907
-you know.
-Oh, yeah, he has
a bit of a temper,
575
00:32:11,951 --> 00:32:14,127
-but he, he's all right.
-He's all right, you know.
576
00:32:14,170 --> 00:32:16,607
He's a little Bulgarian.
577
00:32:16,651 --> 00:32:20,263
He's quite quick.
He's a good man.
578
00:32:20,307 --> 00:32:23,875
He's done all right
around here, works his butt off
like everybody else.
579
00:32:23,919 --> 00:32:27,009
-Yeah, he, he's earned it.
-Yeah, he's earned
every nickel he made.
580
00:32:27,053 --> 00:32:29,316
-He came here
with basically nothing.
-Nothing.
581
00:32:29,359 --> 00:32:30,491
Uh, Marv and Cody
582
00:32:31,535 --> 00:32:33,015
probably could have been
friends.
583
00:32:34,886 --> 00:32:39,195
For years I tried to appease Cody Docheff's misguided anger.
584
00:32:39,239 --> 00:32:41,589
I bought
every bit of concrete,
585
00:32:41,632 --> 00:32:43,721
which turned out to be shit.
586
00:32:47,116 --> 00:32:50,250
Marv complained
about the sewer board
holding him over a barrel,
587
00:32:50,293 --> 00:32:52,730
but that was completely
standard procedure.
588
00:32:52,774 --> 00:32:54,776
It's true that
it can be expensive,
589
00:32:54,819 --> 00:32:56,778
but Cody connected
when he built the batch plant,
590
00:32:56,821 --> 00:32:58,171
and it would not cost much
591
00:32:58,214 --> 00:33:00,086
for Marv to have hooked on.
592
00:33:01,739 --> 00:33:04,220
The Docheffs called up
Marv and said, "Marv,
593
00:33:04,264 --> 00:33:08,529
we'll give you an easement
for your water and sewer
594
00:33:08,572 --> 00:33:11,401
if you drop your lawsuit
against the town and us."
595
00:33:12,315 --> 00:33:16,232
Marv just hung up. When he
was called into the court
596
00:33:16,276 --> 00:33:18,843
because he hadn't connected
his sewer lines,
597
00:33:18,887 --> 00:33:22,021
he's clearly stalling
on resolving this issue.
598
00:33:22,064 --> 00:33:25,894
This is where Marv
confronts Deb Hess,
who is a town clerk.
599
00:33:26,547 --> 00:33:28,853
So, Deb, did you have
any dealings with Marv?
600
00:33:28,897 --> 00:33:31,552
He had come in my office, he was accusing me
601
00:33:31,595 --> 00:33:33,597
of going over to the bank
and badmouthing him.
602
00:33:33,641 --> 00:33:35,991
I said, "Mr. Heemeyer,
I wasn't over at the bank
603
00:33:36,035 --> 00:33:39,299
and I wouldn't do that.
I mean, I have no reason
to badmouth him.
604
00:33:39,342 --> 00:33:41,127
I just said
I just need a different check.
605
00:33:41,170 --> 00:33:42,998
Actually, he had made a mistake
606
00:33:43,042 --> 00:33:44,913
when he wrote out the amount.
607
00:33:44,956 --> 00:33:47,698
Marv corrects
the verbiage on the check
608
00:33:47,742 --> 00:33:50,571
and then the check clears
and he's paid his fine.
609
00:33:50,614 --> 00:33:53,400
Marv's anger affected
his interpretation of events
610
00:33:53,443 --> 00:33:55,924
with Dietze as well.
He believed Dietze milked him
611
00:33:55,967 --> 00:33:57,882
for money
and abandoned him on appeal.
612
00:33:58,753 --> 00:34:01,016
But if Dietze was really
out to milk Heemeyer
613
00:34:01,060 --> 00:34:03,105
why didn't he go
to the appeal?
614
00:34:03,149 --> 00:34:05,803
It'd be a way to milk
another $55,000 out of him.
615
00:34:06,587 --> 00:34:11,026
And the irony is Cody
had been offering to buy
Marv out from the beginning,
616
00:34:11,070 --> 00:34:14,943
and Marv saw an opportunity
to sell that two-acre parcel
617
00:34:14,986 --> 00:34:18,207
that he had bought at that auction to the Docheffs.
618
00:34:18,251 --> 00:34:21,993
Marv put a price
on his property of $250,000.
619
00:34:22,516 --> 00:34:26,085
That's a pretty good profit,
six times what he paid for it.
620
00:34:26,128 --> 00:34:28,087
Cody had agreed to 250,000.
621
00:34:28,130 --> 00:34:31,002
Immediately,
Marv backed out and said no,
622
00:34:31,046 --> 00:34:32,874
I want 375,000.
623
00:34:32,917 --> 00:34:34,832
Cody said all right,
we'll pay that.
624
00:34:34,876 --> 00:34:36,704
Marv backed out again.
625
00:34:36,747 --> 00:34:39,272
I'm not sure if Marv
was looking for a fight
626
00:34:39,315 --> 00:34:42,579
at that point in time.
He had a way out.
627
00:34:42,623 --> 00:34:44,581
He had a way out
to make some good money
628
00:34:44,625 --> 00:34:46,757
and, and go on about his life,
629
00:34:46,801 --> 00:34:49,064
but he chose that path
for whatever reason.
630
00:34:51,414 --> 00:34:54,896
At the town level,
the people on there are just
631
00:34:54,939 --> 00:34:57,725
everyday people
that want to give back.
632
00:34:58,508 --> 00:35:00,945
And to say that the people
that sit behind us
633
00:35:00,989 --> 00:35:04,253
in this board room do things
for any other reason
634
00:35:04,993 --> 00:35:11,565
than trying to make a difference
and trying to do what's right,
they're sadly mistaken.
635
00:35:11,608 --> 00:35:13,828
He was raising hell about Cody and the batch plant,
636
00:35:14,524 --> 00:35:20,095
Marv... actually made
that better for the town
637
00:35:20,139 --> 00:35:25,753
because he was raising issues
that the people on the board
they hadn't thought about.
638
00:35:26,623 --> 00:35:29,931
So he'd come in and he'd
say, "well, what about dust?"
or this, or that or whatever,
639
00:35:31,150 --> 00:35:34,153
they'd go,
"Well, that makes sense to me.
What do you think, Cody?"
640
00:35:34,196 --> 00:35:35,719
"Oh, yeah, I can fix that,
no big deal."
641
00:35:36,981 --> 00:35:39,810
So we really got
a better deal for the town
642
00:35:39,854 --> 00:35:42,248
because of Marv complaining.
643
00:35:42,291 --> 00:35:45,294
Well, after we approved it,
it was, actually,
I-- I felt like it was
644
00:35:46,513 --> 00:35:48,950
a pretty damn good deal,
really.
645
00:35:48,993 --> 00:35:51,170
Marv's assumption
that there was this group
646
00:35:51,213 --> 00:35:53,346
of community leaders
that would get together
647
00:35:53,389 --> 00:35:55,043
at the coffee shop
in the morning and
648
00:35:55,086 --> 00:35:57,437
conspire
about how to keep Marv
649
00:35:57,480 --> 00:35:59,613
from moving forward
because he's the new guy...
650
00:36:00,570 --> 00:36:01,963
It's patently untrue.
651
00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:06,533
He was upset.
He wanted to have it his way
652
00:36:06,576 --> 00:36:08,274
and it wasn't gonna go his way.
653
00:36:20,024 --> 00:36:23,724
Marv went to California probably based on an advertisement
654
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,943
he saw in a Ritchie Bros.
auction site
655
00:36:25,987 --> 00:36:30,078
for this Komatsu
D355 bulldozer.
656
00:36:30,818 --> 00:36:32,689
Marv bid on it
and got it at a great deal.
657
00:36:37,912 --> 00:36:41,263
It's a big dozer,
yeah, big dozer.
658
00:36:41,307 --> 00:36:43,352
He then stuck it
on a flatbed, had it driven
659
00:36:43,396 --> 00:36:46,225
all the way to Granby,
Colorado, from California.
660
00:36:46,268 --> 00:36:49,358
He had it delivered
in July of 2002.
661
00:36:49,402 --> 00:36:51,969
We're sitting eating dinner one
night and this big yellow truck
662
00:36:52,013 --> 00:36:54,755
comes in town with this
big dozer on it. We sat down
there and watched them
663
00:36:54,798 --> 00:36:56,452
unload that thing off
the trailer.
664
00:36:56,496 --> 00:36:58,585
But we were working
the next county up,
665
00:36:58,628 --> 00:37:01,501
and it was midnight
or one in the morning
666
00:37:01,544 --> 00:37:05,679
before we got back
to our warehouse,
but we took the back way.
667
00:37:05,722 --> 00:37:08,551
And they're unloading
that dozer
668
00:37:08,595 --> 00:37:11,902
that night.
It's just really strange.
669
00:37:11,946 --> 00:37:14,601
That thing, it's a pretty
good-sized tractor. We thought,
670
00:37:14,644 --> 00:37:17,560
"What in the heck
is he gonna do with
that goddam thing, you know?"
671
00:37:17,604 --> 00:37:20,911
He ended up parking the dozer up on the access road
672
00:37:20,955 --> 00:37:25,829
to the muffler property
so that the blade was facing
out on this dirt road.
673
00:37:26,439 --> 00:37:29,050
And he had right in the middle
of the blade, a for sale sign.
674
00:37:29,616 --> 00:37:33,402
And it just sat there through
that winter of 2002 to 2003.
675
00:37:33,446 --> 00:37:37,319
He parked Komatsu
outside the muffler shop
676
00:37:37,363 --> 00:37:39,452
just to make Docheff nervous.
677
00:37:40,279 --> 00:37:43,630
That's why he bought it--
for the intimidation factor.
678
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:53,901
I wanted
these people to learn,
679
00:37:54,510 --> 00:37:59,167
and he knew that I eventually
would get to the point
680
00:37:59,210 --> 00:38:02,649
where I wouldn't put up
with what they were
taking away from me,
681
00:38:02,692 --> 00:38:04,694
for what they had denied me.
682
00:38:04,738 --> 00:38:07,131
God knew Marv Heemeyer
very well.
683
00:38:09,743 --> 00:38:13,964
Essentially,
he becomes the victim
that is then justified
684
00:38:14,008 --> 00:38:16,837
in reacting against
all these people
that have done him wrong.
685
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,970
We know
he wants to get out of it.
We know he knows he's screwed.
686
00:38:20,014 --> 00:38:22,451
Let's really screw him,
you know.
687
00:38:22,495 --> 00:38:24,845
That's exactly
what their attitude was.
688
00:38:24,888 --> 00:38:28,283
And, and they did.
I had no choice.
689
00:38:28,327 --> 00:38:29,893
What was I supposed to do?
690
00:38:32,026 --> 00:38:36,204
The allegation
is that somehow the town
ruined Marv's business--
691
00:38:36,247 --> 00:38:38,467
the town didn't do anything
to shut him down.
692
00:38:38,511 --> 00:38:41,209
He still had access
to his property.
693
00:38:41,252 --> 00:38:44,430
Marv just on his own
decided to completely
shut down his muffler shop
694
00:38:44,473 --> 00:38:46,127
and put it all up to auction.
695
00:38:47,650 --> 00:38:51,350
You know, God has his timing, his plans made out.
696
00:38:51,959 --> 00:38:54,048
And it looks like
it's going to be
697
00:38:54,091 --> 00:38:56,442
because the one thing
that I have wanted to do
698
00:38:56,485 --> 00:38:59,619
is get caught. I had hoped
that somebody would catch me
699
00:38:59,662 --> 00:39:01,621
and that this whole thing
would stop.
700
00:39:02,230 --> 00:39:04,406
And that would be a good sign
for me not to do it.
701
00:39:06,539 --> 00:39:08,932
So Marv conducted the auction
of all the materials
702
00:39:08,976 --> 00:39:11,805
relating to his shop.
Included in the items
703
00:39:11,848 --> 00:39:14,198
he was gonna auction
was this dozer.
704
00:39:14,938 --> 00:39:17,811
This Komatsu
was in excellent condition.
705
00:39:17,854 --> 00:39:21,989
I was willing at the auction
to take 33,000 for it.
706
00:39:22,598 --> 00:39:26,080
Couldn't get a bid,
so I kept the dozer.
707
00:39:26,689 --> 00:39:30,519
And it also is unique
how I had five things
708
00:39:30,563 --> 00:39:33,000
at the auction
and they sold.
709
00:39:33,696 --> 00:39:35,394
But what two things did I keep?
710
00:39:36,003 --> 00:39:39,093
The Komatsu dozer
and the property.
711
00:39:39,136 --> 00:39:41,356
If they would have bought it
at that auction
712
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:45,316
of 450,000,
I would have walked away,
713
00:39:46,187 --> 00:39:48,798
but there wasn't one bid.
714
00:39:50,234 --> 00:39:52,367
So stop and think about this:
715
00:39:53,107 --> 00:39:56,458
I wasn't supposed
to walk away from this
716
00:39:56,502 --> 00:39:59,243
because the Komatsu
was still there.
717
00:40:06,642 --> 00:40:09,297
You know I had
quit smoking for nine years
718
00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:11,604
and I'd become
this closet smoker, you know.
719
00:40:11,647 --> 00:40:14,128
I'd sneak them,
which is ridiculous, I know.
720
00:40:14,171 --> 00:40:17,044
And he, uh, he didn't like that
721
00:40:18,045 --> 00:40:20,264
and we got
into an argument about it.
722
00:40:20,308 --> 00:40:22,397
That's when things
went downhill,
723
00:40:23,572 --> 00:40:25,574
and then we quit
seeing each other.
724
00:40:26,445 --> 00:40:30,057
It was maybe easier to,
to break it up, you know.
725
00:40:32,451 --> 00:40:36,498
I don't know the details,
but just him talking about her,
726
00:40:38,457 --> 00:40:42,199
he was very in love with her.
I knew that.
727
00:40:42,243 --> 00:40:45,202
Is it possible
that he felt stronger
about you than you did him?
728
00:40:53,167 --> 00:40:56,039
Marv was still
perplexed about what to do
with his property.
729
00:40:56,083 --> 00:40:59,521
Travis Busse
and his partner were owners
of the trash company.
730
00:40:59,565 --> 00:41:02,611
They had negotiated with Marv
to lease his two acres
731
00:41:02,655 --> 00:41:05,396
as a staging point
for their trucks.
732
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:09,357
And I was trying to look
for an area where it was
more commercial,
733
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,534
than I could actually have
a garage that I could keep
my trucks in the winter.
734
00:41:12,578 --> 00:41:15,494
He had the perfect building
right there in town.
735
00:41:15,537 --> 00:41:19,410
What was unique is
I find out that the dozer
736
00:41:19,454 --> 00:41:21,848
is two inches shorter
737
00:41:21,891 --> 00:41:23,197
than 12 feet,
738
00:41:23,240 --> 00:41:25,025
one inch narrower
739
00:41:25,068 --> 00:41:26,461
than the door.
740
00:41:26,505 --> 00:41:28,637
So I said let's put it inside
741
00:41:28,681 --> 00:41:30,552
because then I can build it
742
00:41:30,596 --> 00:41:32,598
to do what I am supposed to do.
743
00:41:33,729 --> 00:41:36,950
The Komatsu just barely fit
through the door.
744
00:41:38,734 --> 00:41:43,434
Why did that particular
dozer fit in the building?
745
00:41:44,479 --> 00:41:48,657
Why had I not bought
one of the D9s
at that Fresno auction.
746
00:41:49,571 --> 00:41:53,488
So, so I'm thinking,
"Well, this is good. I get it
inside, now I can build it.
747
00:41:54,750 --> 00:41:56,447
Must be
what I'm supposed to do."
748
00:42:00,190 --> 00:42:02,279
At that time,
we were getting bigger
749
00:42:02,323 --> 00:42:05,282
and we needed a place
to where we could call home.
750
00:42:05,326 --> 00:42:08,764
Travis finally
offered Marv $400,000
751
00:42:08,808 --> 00:42:11,375
and Marv agreed
to sell the land to them
752
00:42:11,419 --> 00:42:14,901
for that amount.
Sure enough, I think it was
even within 24 hours,
753
00:42:14,944 --> 00:42:17,599
Travis had water and sewer
hooked up to the property.
754
00:42:17,643 --> 00:42:20,907
We bought it all and he
basically back rented from us
755
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:23,300
the building that he put
the dozer in.
756
00:42:23,866 --> 00:42:27,827
And this will be
the first time that I've ever
done something like that
757
00:42:27,870 --> 00:42:30,699
the way they want it to be done, the way they do it,
758
00:42:30,743 --> 00:42:34,616
to do it in secret, to do
things behind their back,
759
00:42:34,660 --> 00:42:37,010
to lie to you.
I've had to do that.
760
00:42:37,053 --> 00:42:40,143
People'd ask me what am I doing? Oh, I'm not doin' anything.
761
00:42:40,187 --> 00:42:44,060
I spent 2003
in that friggin' building,
762
00:42:44,104 --> 00:42:48,456
lived there
without a shower for as much
as four days at a time,
763
00:42:48,499 --> 00:42:52,112
working on that dozer,
getting it prepared.
764
00:42:52,155 --> 00:42:54,505
Marv built
a little sleeping area,
765
00:42:54,549 --> 00:42:57,596
complete with cot,
TV, hotplate, water,
766
00:42:58,248 --> 00:43:01,774
so that he could basically work 24/7 on the dozer.
767
00:43:03,297 --> 00:43:05,995
He ended up bringing
in all the sheets of steel
into the shed.
768
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:09,259
He had torches in the shed.
He had all kinds
of tools in the shed.
769
00:43:10,957 --> 00:43:16,832
He built a lift which could
lift large, heavy things,
mainly sheets of steel.
770
00:43:16,876 --> 00:43:20,314
It actually lifted 'em up
and held 'em in place
while he welded 'em in place.
771
00:43:20,357 --> 00:43:24,884
It was 1/2-inch steel.
He had spacers that he put in,
772
00:43:24,927 --> 00:43:28,278
so he had two layers
of steel plate.
773
00:43:28,322 --> 00:43:31,151
And he poured concrete down
in between them.
774
00:43:31,194 --> 00:43:34,154
And then lifted
the outer shell of that dozer.
775
00:43:34,197 --> 00:43:36,504
So that made it
a super fortified gap.
776
00:43:37,374 --> 00:43:40,334
He was working on it at night,
sleeping during the day, so,
777
00:43:40,377 --> 00:43:44,686
but you'd think somebody
would've known what was going
on down there. But, evidently...
778
00:43:45,731 --> 00:43:49,169
And he put in
surveillance cameras
on the outside of the shed,
779
00:43:49,212 --> 00:43:51,867
hooked up to monitors
he had on inside of the shed.
780
00:43:51,911 --> 00:43:54,435
I think he kind of watched us
and our schedule,
781
00:43:54,478 --> 00:43:57,743
so he knew that basically when
we left at five or six at night
782
00:43:57,786 --> 00:43:59,832
he was free
to work and make noise.
783
00:44:01,964 --> 00:44:05,011
I don't understand. I guess
I'm a dumb, I'm a dumb person.
784
00:44:05,054 --> 00:44:08,318
I'm not as witty as some.
I'm not as sharp as some.
785
00:44:09,972 --> 00:44:12,671
I don't know that that's the backbone of America though.
786
00:44:13,410 --> 00:44:16,196
I don't know what the backbone
of America is anymore.
787
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:18,328
I did my buying that property--
788
00:44:18,372 --> 00:44:21,680
you are so mistaken
about the real world.
789
00:44:21,723 --> 00:44:25,205
You know, you can call it
revenge... I don't know.
790
00:44:25,814 --> 00:44:28,034
Maybe what happened here,
791
00:44:29,296 --> 00:44:31,211
maybe you'll remember that.
792
00:44:31,254 --> 00:44:34,823
Marv knew he was gonna be
spending long periods of time
793
00:44:34,867 --> 00:44:38,566
in the shed,
and he had in there
a little small video collection
794
00:44:38,609 --> 00:44:41,351
that he could watch. One
of the movies he had in there
795
00:44:41,395 --> 00:44:43,789
was a Vin Diesel film,
called A Man Apart.
796
00:44:43,832 --> 00:44:48,010
The hero of the movie
loses his wife
to a gang of criminals.
797
00:44:48,054 --> 00:44:50,839
He takes the law into his own
hands, goes out there,
798
00:44:50,883 --> 00:44:54,843
shoots up the bad guys,
and the movie ends
with him alone,
799
00:44:54,887 --> 00:44:58,586
but he has somehow
redeemed and purified
the corrupt society.
800
00:45:00,501 --> 00:45:03,112
When we purchased the property,
we had to have insurance
on every building,
801
00:45:03,156 --> 00:45:06,115
so we had
to actually do a walkthrough
through that building.
802
00:45:07,203 --> 00:45:12,382
Last fall I had
this dozer about half done.
803
00:45:12,426 --> 00:45:15,124
Had the dozer covered up with these polypropylene tarps,
804
00:45:16,038 --> 00:45:19,041
so these guys come in.
"Oh, wow, what's this?"
805
00:45:19,085 --> 00:45:21,783
I made up this story.
I said this professor
806
00:45:21,827 --> 00:45:24,264
was perfecting a cooling system
807
00:45:24,307 --> 00:45:27,006
which would cool
the air and increase
808
00:45:27,049 --> 00:45:29,704
the performance of the engine.
809
00:45:30,749 --> 00:45:33,186
I had
this whole bullshit story
810
00:45:33,229 --> 00:45:35,623
and they went along with it.
And I couldn't believe it
811
00:45:35,666 --> 00:45:37,581
when they walked out the door.
812
00:45:37,625 --> 00:45:40,497
It was right there
under their nose.
813
00:45:40,541 --> 00:45:43,065
How come they didn't catch me?
814
00:45:43,109 --> 00:45:45,894
Well, I wasn't supposed
to get caught!
815
00:45:47,853 --> 00:45:50,507
God built me to be here
to prove to you
816
00:45:50,551 --> 00:45:52,422
that what you have been doing
817
00:45:52,466 --> 00:45:54,598
for God knows how many years
818
00:45:54,642 --> 00:45:55,861
is wrong.
819
00:45:57,340 --> 00:45:59,821
You picked on the wrong man.
820
00:45:59,865 --> 00:46:01,083
I'm not tough.
821
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:03,869
I'm not that strong.
822
00:46:03,912 --> 00:46:06,610
What I am going to do
is above me,
823
00:46:07,220 --> 00:46:10,092
and God gave me
that peace years ago
824
00:46:10,136 --> 00:46:13,356
in that hot tub.
I had to do this.
825
00:46:13,966 --> 00:46:16,446
That I could not do it
without God's help
826
00:46:17,186 --> 00:46:21,843
that it was his strength
that would spur me on
827
00:46:21,887 --> 00:46:26,326
at 51 and 52 years old
to get this job done
828
00:46:26,935 --> 00:46:29,111
at the pace that I could do it.
829
00:46:30,025 --> 00:46:33,507
I believe that is why
he gave me last winter off.
830
00:46:40,166 --> 00:46:42,690
He says, "Marv,
you're not gonna get it done,
831
00:46:42,733 --> 00:46:44,997
go take off this winter,
go play."
832
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,347
It was wintertime,
I'm not gonna be here.
833
00:46:47,390 --> 00:46:50,263
Everything's sold. I don't have a muffler shop anymore.
834
00:46:50,306 --> 00:46:51,612
I'm gonna go snowmobiling.
835
00:47:13,982 --> 00:47:17,594
Marv actually really
did succeed in Granby.
836
00:47:17,638 --> 00:47:20,641
He bought that property
for $42,000.
837
00:47:20,684 --> 00:47:24,645
He was able to sell it
ten years later for $400,000.
838
00:47:26,125 --> 00:47:29,258
And, in fact, that was
the very thing he had been
trying to do all along.
839
00:47:31,347 --> 00:47:33,349
Marv says in his own tapes
840
00:47:33,393 --> 00:47:35,569
that his muffler business
was successful.
841
00:47:35,612 --> 00:47:38,485
It gave him an opportunity to do what he wanted to do in life,
842
00:47:38,528 --> 00:47:42,271
to enjoy
his snowmobiling and still
have money so he could live.
843
00:47:47,755 --> 00:47:50,758
But you've got to do this.
You've got to get this done.
844
00:47:50,801 --> 00:47:53,065
And that was my goal
so to speak,
845
00:47:53,108 --> 00:47:54,980
take the winter off, relax,
846
00:47:55,023 --> 00:47:57,417
you know, maybe something
would come up
847
00:47:57,460 --> 00:47:58,853
to change my mind.
848
00:48:06,643 --> 00:48:10,691
In March of 2004,
Marv's father dies.
849
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:14,564
Marv did go up
to the funeral.
850
00:48:15,478 --> 00:48:16,436
He took photos.
851
00:48:17,698 --> 00:48:19,787
In the photos
you see family members.
852
00:48:19,830 --> 00:48:22,659
You see photos of Marv's father in the casket.
853
00:48:23,922 --> 00:48:26,402
Included was a selfie
that Marv took
854
00:48:27,012 --> 00:48:30,406
outside the family farm
there in South Dakota.
855
00:48:31,494 --> 00:48:34,497
And it's a mournful,
sad-looking photo.
856
00:48:35,411 --> 00:48:38,197
A look of resignation
is on Marv's face.
857
00:48:38,240 --> 00:48:41,156
It's almost as if he's saying,
"I know what I am gonna do
858
00:48:41,200 --> 00:48:44,246
and I'm not happy about it.
And this is my last look
at my home."
859
00:48:45,639 --> 00:48:48,816
But before that, Marv had given all the proceeds
860
00:48:48,859 --> 00:48:50,861
from the sale of the lot
861
00:48:50,905 --> 00:48:54,691
and of all of his material
and equipment to his father.
862
00:48:55,605 --> 00:48:58,043
You know, it's gone. Now
money means nothing to me.
863
00:48:58,086 --> 00:48:59,958
I've given my house away.
864
00:49:00,001 --> 00:49:02,221
I do not need this cabin
here in Grand Lake.
865
00:49:03,091 --> 00:49:05,572
My snowmobiles, I've given
those away this year.
866
00:49:05,615 --> 00:49:07,922
Everything is gone.
867
00:49:08,575 --> 00:49:11,970
What I own is just gonna
be a pittance
868
00:49:12,622 --> 00:49:14,581
compared to what
I am going to take.
869
00:49:17,062 --> 00:49:21,849
Marv transferred the sale proceeds from his bank
870
00:49:21,892 --> 00:49:24,983
in $50,000 increments.
871
00:49:25,026 --> 00:49:28,116
Prior to his father's passing,
872
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:32,381
his father conveyed
those sale proceeds
873
00:49:32,425 --> 00:49:35,689
to Marv's two brothers
and sister.
874
00:49:35,732 --> 00:49:38,822
By giving them to his father
and willing all that
875
00:49:38,866 --> 00:49:40,650
to the other members
of the family,
876
00:49:40,694 --> 00:49:42,913
it was one big step
removed from Marv
877
00:49:42,957 --> 00:49:46,047
so that when the time came
to try to get resources
878
00:49:46,091 --> 00:49:49,137
back from Marv to reimburse
people who had lost,
879
00:49:49,790 --> 00:49:51,748
uh, it was near impossible.
880
00:49:53,881 --> 00:49:58,059
This is Tape 3.
It's about 10:05 on, uh,
881
00:49:58,103 --> 00:50:00,192
the 13th of April 2004.
882
00:50:01,367 --> 00:50:03,238
And I want to say
that I believe
883
00:50:03,282 --> 00:50:05,240
that I am an American patriot.
884
00:50:05,980 --> 00:50:08,113
I believe
in free enterprise system.
885
00:50:08,765 --> 00:50:11,899
I believe in a level playing
field of competition.
886
00:50:12,595 --> 00:50:15,511
If you want to change
that level playing field
887
00:50:15,555 --> 00:50:18,732
of competition
to your advantage, basically,
888
00:50:18,775 --> 00:50:22,605
you give me license
to do that also
889
00:50:22,649 --> 00:50:24,607
when my opportunity comes around
890
00:50:25,260 --> 00:50:28,089
because you are the leaders
of the community.
891
00:50:28,133 --> 00:50:30,831
Through your actions,
you show the community
892
00:50:30,874 --> 00:50:33,051
how things
are supposed to be done.
893
00:50:33,921 --> 00:50:37,838
You have given me license
through your example
894
00:50:37,881 --> 00:50:40,188
to do what I need to do.
895
00:50:40,232 --> 00:50:45,063
When I do this, that levels
the playing field in my favor,
896
00:50:45,106 --> 00:50:47,674
so now we've got
a lopsided playing field
897
00:50:47,717 --> 00:50:49,980
because when I come back at you,
898
00:50:51,243 --> 00:50:54,289
I'm gonna destroy your side
of the playing field.
899
00:51:07,998 --> 00:51:12,307
He wanted everybody
to hear what he felt
about what happened to him,
900
00:51:12,916 --> 00:51:15,832
but I won't even listen
to 'em, you know.
901
00:51:15,876 --> 00:51:19,619
I listened a little bit
and I said, "Nah, I don't need
to listen to this," you know.
902
00:51:20,359 --> 00:51:24,537
He told me in his roundabout way
through life, you know.
903
00:51:25,842 --> 00:51:26,756
Lonely man.
904
00:51:27,975 --> 00:51:29,672
He would just spend
too much time alone.
905
00:51:30,586 --> 00:51:32,197
That's what I put it onto.
906
00:51:33,328 --> 00:51:35,765
He spent too much time
in hot tub alone.
907
00:51:41,423 --> 00:51:44,165
At the time I went
to work for a dentist
908
00:51:45,601 --> 00:51:48,126
we ended up doing
a crown prep on Marv
909
00:51:49,083 --> 00:51:51,738
and he was to come back
that actual Friday
910
00:51:52,304 --> 00:51:54,828
and seat the permanent crown.
911
00:51:54,871 --> 00:51:58,527
I said, "Marv, you need to get
the hell out of Grand County,"
912
00:51:58,571 --> 00:52:02,096
I remember it vividly.
And he gave me a big hug
and he said, "Trish..."
913
00:52:03,619 --> 00:52:06,535
he said, "You are the best thing
that ever happened to me
in Grand County."
914
00:52:06,579 --> 00:52:08,581
I just remember that so vividly.
915
00:52:09,451 --> 00:52:13,499
And... you know, he was gonna do
this thing three weeks later.
916
00:52:13,542 --> 00:52:17,894
He already had it planned,
you know, so nuts
to think about that.
917
00:52:17,938 --> 00:52:21,246
And I would never have guessed.
You know, he seemed like
918
00:52:21,289 --> 00:52:25,119
it was so great to see him and,
and it was great to have a hug,
919
00:52:25,163 --> 00:52:26,251
you know.
920
00:52:31,256 --> 00:52:34,041
I went snowmobiling with Marv
a month before it happened,
921
00:52:35,129 --> 00:52:38,045
early May on Vail Pass,
just he and I.
922
00:52:38,698 --> 00:52:41,004
We had plans
of going again in June
923
00:52:41,048 --> 00:52:42,441
just to say we did it.
924
00:52:43,268 --> 00:52:45,226
And these are future plans.
925
00:52:45,270 --> 00:52:47,315
He wasn't done.
926
00:52:49,535 --> 00:52:52,015
And he spent a couple of weeks
in Florida with some friends.
927
00:52:54,322 --> 00:52:56,759
He talked about it
on the way to Vail.
928
00:52:56,803 --> 00:52:58,718
He said they're gonna get
what's coming to 'em.
929
00:53:13,385 --> 00:53:16,953
So here we are and I am at peace with what I am about to do.
930
00:53:17,911 --> 00:53:22,002
People will think,
"Why did he do that?
He had such a good life.
931
00:53:22,045 --> 00:53:23,873
He had a better life
than me anyway."
932
00:53:24,874 --> 00:53:26,615
It's not what I deserve.
933
00:53:27,355 --> 00:53:29,401
You meddled in my business
934
00:53:29,444 --> 00:53:31,925
and took what I deserve away.
935
00:53:31,968 --> 00:53:34,536
You took advantage
of my good nature.
936
00:53:34,580 --> 00:53:37,017
Well, I think there's something you should learn here.
937
00:53:37,583 --> 00:53:39,498
For as good as a man can be,
938
00:53:39,541 --> 00:53:41,151
also can he be as bad.
939
00:53:42,109 --> 00:53:45,373
When you visit evil
upon someone,
940
00:53:45,417 --> 00:53:48,071
be assured it will revisit you.
941
00:53:49,464 --> 00:53:51,988
The Thompsons are guilty.
942
00:53:52,032 --> 00:53:54,513
The Docheffs are guilty.
943
00:53:54,556 --> 00:53:57,777
The Granby Town Board is guilty.
944
00:53:57,820 --> 00:54:01,302
The Granby Planning Commission
is guilty.
945
00:54:02,260 --> 00:54:04,305
It took all of you
946
00:54:04,349 --> 00:54:07,134
ten years to get me.
947
00:54:07,177 --> 00:54:09,267
You got me, no doubt about it.
948
00:54:09,310 --> 00:54:11,138
I got screwed big time.
949
00:54:12,487 --> 00:54:13,923
Enough is enough.
950
00:54:14,924 --> 00:54:16,839
I have been beaten
to a point
951
00:54:16,883 --> 00:54:19,277
where I'm not
gonna take it anymore.
952
00:54:20,408 --> 00:54:22,715
But I don't think that's
what God had planned for me,
953
00:54:22,758 --> 00:54:26,458
and he expects me to do
something to those
954
00:54:26,501 --> 00:54:30,375
who kept me now
from getting what I deserve.
955
00:54:31,201 --> 00:54:33,726
God's will be done through me.
956
00:54:41,516 --> 00:54:44,998
You were cowards in the way
that you dealt with me.
957
00:54:46,260 --> 00:54:49,045
You all along were thinking
that I was the person
958
00:54:49,089 --> 00:54:51,047
that needed
to be taught a lesson.
959
00:54:52,701 --> 00:54:58,141
You were going to show me how
it worked in Granby, Colorado.
960
00:54:58,185 --> 00:55:00,666
How the real world worked.
961
00:55:04,365 --> 00:55:07,890
You people needed
to be taught a lesson.
962
00:55:57,287 --> 00:56:00,726
- 911, what is your emergency?
- This is Sherry
at the trash company.
963
00:56:00,769 --> 00:56:04,947
And there is a bulldozer over
at Mountain Park Concrete
destroying their building.
964
00:56:04,991 --> 00:56:09,691
-It's destroying the building?
Is anyone on it?
-Yeah, it's encased in metal
965
00:56:09,735 --> 00:56:11,998
and you can't see
who's driving or anything.
966
00:56:12,041 --> 00:56:13,391
And they can't get it to stop.
967
00:56:25,098 --> 00:56:29,102
- 911, what's your emergency?
- Hi, Sherry at the trash
company again. It is headed
968
00:56:29,145 --> 00:56:32,453
-for their main building now.
- It's headed
for the main building, okay.
969
00:56:32,497 --> 00:56:35,108
Cody had grabbed a handgun
from one of his workers.
970
00:56:39,808 --> 00:56:42,768
He takes the gun up
and bang, bang.
971
00:56:42,811 --> 00:56:45,597
Not only is the diesel engine
screaming
972
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,513
as it's pushing the dozer,
but the treads,
973
00:56:48,556 --> 00:56:51,820
they're creaking and scraping
as the roar of the engine,
974
00:56:51,864 --> 00:56:55,041
then there's just the sound
of crash and ruin,
975
00:56:55,084 --> 00:56:57,478
because he's really knocking
all these walls down.
976
00:56:57,522 --> 00:57:01,439
The tracks are probably
the most memorable thing.
977
00:57:01,482 --> 00:57:05,268
Our goal was to get the heaviest
thing we could pack by hand,
978
00:57:05,312 --> 00:57:07,880
because if you can get
tangled up in some steel
979
00:57:07,923 --> 00:57:09,708
you're gonna stop that track.
980
00:57:09,751 --> 00:57:12,885
We got a big piece
of angle iron off
981
00:57:12,928 --> 00:57:14,887
of Cody Docheff's steel rack,
982
00:57:14,930 --> 00:57:18,456
it's probably 1/2-inch diameter, so it was really heavy.
983
00:57:19,892 --> 00:57:24,244
Our intentions was to try
to lodge that into the tracks
984
00:57:24,287 --> 00:57:26,725
and get it tangled up
so it'd break the track.
985
00:57:27,900 --> 00:57:28,944
That didn't work.
986
00:57:50,705 --> 00:57:55,144
We have an armored,
a very armored situation
and it's getting closer.
987
00:57:55,188 --> 00:57:58,060
301, I copy,
there's an armored bulldozer
tearing down the building.
988
00:57:58,104 --> 00:57:59,497
There are several deputies
in route.
989
00:57:59,540 --> 00:58:01,020
At the time of the call,
990
00:58:01,063 --> 00:58:03,544
which was about a quarter
after two
991
00:58:03,588 --> 00:58:06,591
in the afternoon,
I was approximately a mile away.
992
00:58:06,634 --> 00:58:08,810
I pulled up
and stopped my car,
993
00:58:08,854 --> 00:58:12,684
and there's a bulldozer
that doesn't completely look
994
00:58:12,727 --> 00:58:16,514
like a bulldozer anymore.
I had grabbed a shotgun and
995
00:58:16,557 --> 00:58:19,386
ran towards the bulldozer.
I'm yelling,
996
00:58:19,429 --> 00:58:23,129
I am ordering it to stop. It backs away from the building,
997
00:58:23,172 --> 00:58:26,654
and a frontend loader
approaches it.
998
00:58:26,698 --> 00:58:30,440
And I see the frontend loader is
being operated by Cody Docheff.
999
00:58:30,484 --> 00:58:33,095
I told Cody,
"Get the biggest loader you got
1000
00:58:33,139 --> 00:58:36,403
and see if you can
get underneath his track
to uplift him."
1001
00:58:36,446 --> 00:58:40,059
And Cody did. He backed up
with a big loader and hit him.
1002
00:58:40,102 --> 00:58:43,671
So he takes his frontend loader and slams into the side of him.
1003
00:58:53,986 --> 00:58:57,511
And all it did was lift the back of the frontend loader up.
1004
00:59:14,093 --> 00:59:19,533
It shook him hard enough that
I think that's when Marv started
letting out the rounds.
1005
00:59:19,577 --> 00:59:22,841
Marv had a 50-caliber
rifle pointed out the back.
1006
00:59:22,884 --> 00:59:25,713
He shot numerous rounds
into Cody's bucket.
1007
00:59:25,757 --> 00:59:30,283
We have shots fired. We have automatic weapons in the bulldozer.
1008
00:59:35,767 --> 00:59:38,465
Luckily, all
the rounds hit in the bucket.
1009
00:59:38,508 --> 00:59:41,163
Cody figures out where he is
and he's not hit. He's okay.
1010
00:59:41,207 --> 00:59:43,688
And he backs up and he thinks,
"What am I gonna do now?"
1011
00:59:43,731 --> 00:59:47,039
Shortly after that,
Cody realized that that
was too much. He was done.
1012
00:59:47,082 --> 00:59:50,738
That's when the officers
started surrounding the place.
1013
00:59:50,782 --> 00:59:54,524
And I transitioned from a shotgun to an M-4 rifle.
1014
00:59:54,568 --> 00:59:58,485
And about that time I was joined by a state trooper, Dave Patera.
1015
00:59:59,878 --> 01:00:03,011
At first,
Cody speculated that there's
not a human being in there
1016
01:00:03,055 --> 01:00:05,405
it's being run
by radio controls.
1017
01:00:20,115 --> 01:00:23,162
The dozer's continuing
its damage. It's going
in and out of the building,
1018
01:00:23,205 --> 01:00:25,947
slamming into this huge
concrete batch plant,
1019
01:00:25,991 --> 01:00:29,472
essentially, knocking down
all the sidewalls,
just destroying it.
1020
01:00:29,516 --> 01:00:32,345
Well, at this point there's
more police on the scene.
1021
01:00:32,388 --> 01:00:34,913
Okay, I'm gonna
pull right up behind him...
1022
01:00:34,956 --> 01:00:37,567
I'll go back around
over the ditch on foot.
1023
01:00:37,611 --> 01:00:39,961
I came in on the west
side of the batch plant,
1024
01:00:40,005 --> 01:00:42,442
bailed out of the vehicle,
pulled my rifle out.
1025
01:00:42,485 --> 01:00:45,575
And I could hear
the squeaking of the tracks
1026
01:00:45,619 --> 01:00:49,188
and the roaring of the engine,
the banging into the building,
1027
01:00:49,231 --> 01:00:51,277
but I still didn't see anything.
1028
01:00:51,320 --> 01:00:54,193
Once I got close to the building around skirting
1029
01:00:54,236 --> 01:00:57,413
an irrigation ditch,
Marv come around the building
1030
01:00:57,457 --> 01:01:01,026
in that bulldozer and that's
when I got my first look of it.
1031
01:01:02,114 --> 01:01:04,769
I don't know, I expected
to see a bulldozer.
1032
01:01:04,812 --> 01:01:06,118
It looks like a tank.
1033
01:01:06,771 --> 01:01:11,514
There's this huge
black monstrosity.
1034
01:01:11,558 --> 01:01:15,823
I mean almost like
a WWI big boxy, rumbly tank.
1035
01:01:16,432 --> 01:01:19,827
And then the next thing
you're thinking is,
"how, how do you attack
1036
01:01:19,871 --> 01:01:22,656
something like this?
How do I stop this?"
1037
01:01:22,700 --> 01:01:26,181
When I arrived on scene,
I could hear
the bulldozer operating.
1038
01:01:26,225 --> 01:01:30,490
I walked around my vehicle
and saw this absolute behemoth.
1039
01:01:31,665 --> 01:01:34,886
Sergeant Rich Garner
was our designated marksman.
1040
01:01:34,929 --> 01:01:38,977
I just started shooting,
trying to aim for what
looked like a viewport.
1041
01:01:39,020 --> 01:01:41,936
We made the decision to begin
firing at the small portholes
1042
01:01:41,980 --> 01:01:44,591
that we could see in the side
of this bulldozer
1043
01:01:44,634 --> 01:01:49,074
but they were maybe
two inches by four inches
at the very most.
1044
01:01:49,117 --> 01:01:52,381
What I didn't know
was that these portholes
1045
01:01:52,425 --> 01:01:55,471
were covered with two sheets
of 1/2-inch Lexan,
1046
01:01:55,515 --> 01:01:58,170
which had me wondering how he
was actually driving this thing.
1047
01:01:58,213 --> 01:02:01,477
Garner stands there and takes
a few shots at the dozer.
1048
01:02:01,521 --> 01:02:03,653
Then all of a sudden
bang, bang.
1049
01:02:03,697 --> 01:02:05,786
I had two rounds go
right by my head
1050
01:02:05,830 --> 01:02:08,702
and I was like, "Oh,
I know what that noise is."
1051
01:02:09,659 --> 01:02:13,185
Marv fired his weapons and he
fired at a bunch of cops
1052
01:02:13,228 --> 01:02:15,796
that were standing behind
a wall of jersey barriers.
1053
01:02:15,840 --> 01:02:17,929
You know
as we started firing
1054
01:02:17,972 --> 01:02:20,583
of course, the rounds were
having absolutely no effect
1055
01:02:20,627 --> 01:02:23,064
he saw three state troopers
behind
1056
01:02:23,108 --> 01:02:26,067
a stack of jersey barriers that were next to the building.
1057
01:02:26,111 --> 01:02:29,114
Watch out. The guy's gonna come over here with a bulldozer.
1058
01:02:29,157 --> 01:02:31,943
Instead of just going
by them, he turned
1059
01:02:31,986 --> 01:02:34,293
and drove directly
at those Jersey barriers.
1060
01:02:35,381 --> 01:02:38,166
Come over.
Go, run! Come over. Come over.
1061
01:02:41,213 --> 01:02:45,173
If those troopers hadn't moved,
he'd have probably killed
all three of them.
1062
01:02:48,350 --> 01:02:52,006
He started proceeding eastbound
through the parking lot
1063
01:02:52,050 --> 01:02:56,010
and the construction area.
I had parked my vehicle on
the south side of the building.
1064
01:02:57,838 --> 01:03:01,189
At that time,
Marv moved back around to the south side of the building,
1065
01:03:01,233 --> 01:03:04,802
and Glenn Trainor's unmarked
vehicle was over there.
1066
01:03:04,845 --> 01:03:07,369
He put the blade up against
that and started pushing it.
1067
01:03:07,413 --> 01:03:09,632
He kept pushing it sideways,
sideways. Well, then
1068
01:03:09,676 --> 01:03:11,983
it caught the rims
on the wheels and actually
1069
01:03:12,026 --> 01:03:14,420
stopped it
and started flipping over.
1070
01:03:14,463 --> 01:03:16,248
He rolled over the top of it.
1071
01:03:18,337 --> 01:03:21,253
As he was heading
towards the highway,
1072
01:03:21,296 --> 01:03:23,821
somebody notified me
on the radio that the person
1073
01:03:23,864 --> 01:03:26,519
operating the bulldozer
was Marvin Heemeyer.
1074
01:03:26,562 --> 01:03:29,870
He was not gonna stop
at just the concrete plant.
1075
01:03:38,574 --> 01:03:42,665
I don't think that just knowing what I am doing is enough.
1076
01:03:42,709 --> 01:03:44,885
I think God will bless me.
1077
01:03:44,929 --> 01:03:47,627
You get the machine done,
you drive it
1078
01:03:48,280 --> 01:03:51,587
to do the stuff that I have
to do up to a point.
1079
01:03:51,631 --> 01:03:54,721
Then you're either gonna blow me right off the fucking streets,
1080
01:03:55,940 --> 01:03:59,465
I'm gonna have
a heart attack and die,
the machine's gonna break,
1081
01:03:59,508 --> 01:04:02,816
or maybe, maybe it'll go all day and I'll run out of fuel.
1082
01:04:02,860 --> 01:04:05,471
I've got a lot of fuel in that thing, let me tell you,
1083
01:04:06,298 --> 01:04:08,822
to do what I believe
needs to be done,
1084
01:04:08,866 --> 01:04:11,172
what God has inspired me to do.
1085
01:04:12,434 --> 01:04:14,523
I am the co-captain in my life.
1086
01:04:14,567 --> 01:04:16,830
God is first, I am second.
1087
01:04:16,874 --> 01:04:19,006
You have tried
to control my life.
1088
01:04:19,050 --> 01:04:21,922
You have tried to be
the captain of my life.
1089
01:04:21,966 --> 01:04:24,446
You do not run my life.
1090
01:04:24,490 --> 01:04:27,188
You do not determine
what I desire,
1091
01:04:27,232 --> 01:04:29,756
what I want, what I deserve.
1092
01:04:29,799 --> 01:04:32,890
I determine that
and my God determines that.
1093
01:04:32,933 --> 01:04:36,502
Not you people.
No people do that.
1094
01:04:36,545 --> 01:04:39,940
If they do, then you're
a slave to them.
1095
01:04:39,984 --> 01:04:42,247
I am not a slave to man.
1096
01:04:43,248 --> 01:04:45,293
I am a slave to God.
1097
01:05:06,445 --> 01:05:10,014
As he was heading towards
the highway I began sending
1098
01:05:10,057 --> 01:05:13,365
notifications having
my deputies and supervisors
1099
01:05:13,408 --> 01:05:15,758
go out and begin
evacuating the town.
1100
01:05:15,802 --> 01:05:19,937
That's when Glenn
decided he was gonna try
to get up on top it.
1101
01:05:21,939 --> 01:05:25,899
I got the idea
to climb up and see if I
could actually gain entry.
1102
01:05:25,943 --> 01:05:29,642
So he's clinging up and we
start running along with him,
1103
01:05:29,685 --> 01:05:31,513
trying to cover him.
1104
01:05:31,557 --> 01:05:33,385
I was expecting
to see, you know,
1105
01:05:33,428 --> 01:05:35,343
something with a handle
that I could pull up
1106
01:05:35,387 --> 01:05:38,607
and open. And there was
absolutely nothing.
1107
01:05:38,651 --> 01:05:42,611
You know,
it was solid sheet metal
from the front to the back.
1108
01:05:42,655 --> 01:05:45,049
The only thing
I did see up there
1109
01:05:45,092 --> 01:05:47,442
was there was some kind
of a vent
1110
01:05:47,486 --> 01:05:50,880
where it looked like there was
like an RV air conditioner.
1111
01:05:50,924 --> 01:05:54,536
He takes his pistol out and
starts trying to shoot into
1112
01:05:54,580 --> 01:05:57,539
some gaps
where the air conditioner was.
Of course, it does no good.
1113
01:05:57,583 --> 01:06:02,109
Then,
he's up there and he's just
riding along on this thing.
1114
01:06:02,153 --> 01:06:04,982
So then we started
coming up with maybe
getting some flashbangs.
1115
01:06:05,025 --> 01:06:08,550
I brought some flashbangs if
anybody needs 'em, this is 35.
1116
01:06:08,594 --> 01:06:11,423
I'm throwing up these
flashbangs and Glenn's pulling
1117
01:06:11,466 --> 01:06:13,338
the pin on 'em and dumping
'em down the exhaust.
1118
01:06:13,381 --> 01:06:14,817
- Of course, they're going off.
1119
01:06:14,861 --> 01:06:17,211
Whoo, big cloud of smoke
1120
01:06:17,255 --> 01:06:19,170
and everything come out.
No effect.
1121
01:06:21,999 --> 01:06:25,219
It moves out of the immediate
little industrial area,
1122
01:06:25,263 --> 01:06:28,483
and the next building
that it hits is
Mountain Parks Electric.
1123
01:06:28,527 --> 01:06:30,442
At the time
of my tenure on the board,
1124
01:06:30,485 --> 01:06:32,357
I worked
at Mountain Parks Electric,
1125
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,837
so I don't know if there was
some interplay there.
1126
01:06:34,881 --> 01:06:37,623
He spent several
minutes just going in,
1127
01:06:37,666 --> 01:06:41,148
doing the damage, backing out,
going in, backing out,
1128
01:06:41,192 --> 01:06:43,977
the entire time of which I am
sitting up there, watching
1129
01:06:44,021 --> 01:06:47,198
this going on, knowing all along
that he was on his way
1130
01:06:47,241 --> 01:06:50,070
to the Granby Town Hall.
That was the next place he went.
1131
01:06:50,114 --> 01:06:52,507
Let's get
a hold of Granby Town Hall.
1132
01:06:52,551 --> 01:06:55,293
Start moving away everything
over that way...
1133
01:06:55,336 --> 01:06:57,556
And that the town
hall was upstairs,
1134
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,776
but our public library was downstairs in the same building.
1135
01:07:00,820 --> 01:07:04,084
And there were kids and other
people inside the library.
1136
01:07:04,128 --> 01:07:05,781
Midday, I had my lunch break.
1137
01:07:05,825 --> 01:07:08,958
I did start hearing um,
what I thought--
1138
01:07:09,002 --> 01:07:10,612
I mean, it sounded like gunfire.
1139
01:07:10,656 --> 01:07:13,006
And then I started
seeing police cars,
1140
01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:15,574
like flying by
at high rates of speed.
1141
01:07:15,617 --> 01:07:18,098
I started hearing sirens.
I was hearing more gunfire.
1142
01:07:18,142 --> 01:07:20,796
And at that point, I decided
to go back to the library.
1143
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:24,452
We issued a directive
to have a reverse 911 call
1144
01:07:24,496 --> 01:07:27,499
sent out to the community
to shelter in place.
1145
01:07:27,542 --> 01:07:30,980
Because after the first one,
we were just thinking
barricade everyone inside,
1146
01:07:31,024 --> 01:07:33,244
not knowing
that we were the target,
1147
01:07:33,287 --> 01:07:35,159
that there was a bulldozer
heading right there.
1148
01:07:35,202 --> 01:07:38,205
And then shortly after
that we got another call,
1149
01:07:38,249 --> 01:07:42,209
a 911 reverse call.
They were telling everyone,
"Evacuate your building now."
1150
01:07:42,253 --> 01:07:47,649
It took me
until that moment to realize
that my 11-year-old daughter
1151
01:07:47,693 --> 01:07:50,565
was in the basement
of that building in the library.
1152
01:07:50,609 --> 01:07:54,047
Okay, he's going east all the way to Napa.
1153
01:07:54,091 --> 01:07:57,268
The bulldozer
came out onto the highway
and pulled off,
1154
01:07:57,311 --> 01:08:00,619
and drove right into the lawn
area of the town hall.
1155
01:08:00,662 --> 01:08:04,623
Well, I elected to get off
at that point and did jump down.
1156
01:08:04,666 --> 01:08:08,366
Marv works his way
up around. He goes around
the back of the town hall,
1157
01:08:08,409 --> 01:08:10,716
destroying the children's
playground in the process,
1158
01:08:10,759 --> 01:08:13,327
turning all the little jungle
gyms and swing sets
1159
01:08:13,371 --> 01:08:16,983
into just curled
and twisted spaghetti
in the backyard there.
1160
01:08:17,026 --> 01:08:20,552
But we did
gather up the kids and then we drove them all to their houses.
1161
01:08:20,595 --> 01:08:23,990
We got there, turned the radio
on, and as soon we turned it on,
1162
01:08:24,033 --> 01:08:28,734
within seconds we heard
the radio announcer say that
he had just bulldozed town hall.
1163
01:08:29,517 --> 01:08:32,912
The dozer methodically
tore apart town hall.
1164
01:08:32,955 --> 01:08:39,614
Everybody now,
needs to move...
Go for three to three.
1165
01:08:39,658 --> 01:08:44,141
From the town hall it went back out to Main Street.
1166
01:08:44,184 --> 01:08:46,708
We had this rolling roadblock
out in front of him,
1167
01:08:46,752 --> 01:08:49,798
the patrol units
and then behind him as well.
1168
01:08:49,842 --> 01:08:52,497
Somewhere during that time,
Norm Rimmer shows up
1169
01:08:52,540 --> 01:08:55,674
and he sees this camera
sticking out the back.
1170
01:08:55,717 --> 01:08:58,329
Then we start looking around
and we see another one.
1171
01:08:58,372 --> 01:09:02,463
That's when we figured out
that's how he was steering it,
was using the cameras.
1172
01:09:02,507 --> 01:09:06,511
Marv placed around the outside
of the dozer, five cameras.
1173
01:09:06,554 --> 01:09:09,688
He had them mounted to three
monitors inside the tank,
1174
01:09:09,731 --> 01:09:12,821
so he had views of the back,
front, and the sides.
1175
01:09:12,865 --> 01:09:16,216
He actually thought ahead enough that there would be debris
1176
01:09:16,260 --> 01:09:19,393
and dust, so he rigged up
all these little hoses
1177
01:09:19,437 --> 01:09:22,004
to a compressed air tank
that's in the cab,
1178
01:09:22,048 --> 01:09:23,963
and he was able to open
the compressed air
1179
01:09:24,006 --> 01:09:26,835
to blow dust and debris
in front of his Lexan,
1180
01:09:26,879 --> 01:09:28,489
so he could still see
where he was going.
1181
01:09:28,533 --> 01:09:30,839
As it's going down the highway,
1182
01:09:30,883 --> 01:09:32,580
more and more law enforcement
officers
1183
01:09:32,624 --> 01:09:34,582
were showing up,
people coming from home.
1184
01:09:34,626 --> 01:09:37,759
I started hearing gunfire
and sirens from my home,
1185
01:09:37,803 --> 01:09:40,719
so I got my police radio started
and I listening to the traffic
1186
01:09:40,762 --> 01:09:44,331
and I heard officers describing
being shot at
1187
01:09:44,375 --> 01:09:47,465
and something about a bulldozer knocking buildings down.
1188
01:09:47,508 --> 01:09:51,033
I thought the best thing to do
at the time was to grab
my camcorder,
1189
01:09:51,077 --> 01:09:55,212
so I followed him
around until he got
to, uh, Sky-Hi News.
1190
01:09:55,255 --> 01:09:58,780
This guy may possibly be going
after Patrick Brower.
1191
01:09:58,824 --> 01:10:03,220
It was a regular news
day. We were working when
one of the sheriff's deputies
1192
01:10:03,263 --> 01:10:06,179
tells me, "Get out of here!
You're on the list."
I said, "What?"
1193
01:10:06,223 --> 01:10:10,662
He then leaves the building.
There's this large kinda gray,
dark monolith
1194
01:10:10,705 --> 01:10:13,882
driving down the road with two
police cars on either side.
1195
01:10:13,926 --> 01:10:17,451
Right when he gets by the front
of the building he just takes
a sharp right turn.
1196
01:10:17,495 --> 01:10:20,672
The ground starts to shake.
You could hear the creaking
of the treads.
1197
01:10:20,715 --> 01:10:22,674
And we were
inside the building here.
1198
01:10:22,717 --> 01:10:25,154
And blam! Knocks down
the front wall of the building.
1199
01:10:36,035 --> 01:10:40,387
Patrick and one
of his reporters are leaving
out the back of the building
1200
01:10:40,431 --> 01:10:42,781
as Marv is driving through
the front of the building.
1201
01:10:42,824 --> 01:10:45,653
The ground is literally
shaking under your feet.
1202
01:10:45,697 --> 01:10:48,613
It's 85 tons of it
just rolling, impervious.
1203
01:10:48,656 --> 01:10:51,442
Well, we immediately
start running out the back.
1204
01:10:51,485 --> 01:10:53,966
Marv continues
to take the dozer back
1205
01:10:54,009 --> 01:10:56,534
and smashes
into the front of the building.
He works his way around.
1206
01:10:57,186 --> 01:11:00,233
He just kept backing up,
knocking cars out of his way
1207
01:11:00,277 --> 01:11:03,584
taking a hit at the building
and backing up again,
taking another hit at it.
1208
01:11:03,628 --> 01:11:06,544
Literally, the ceiling's
caving in all around us.
1209
01:11:06,587 --> 01:11:08,633
I ran out the backdoor
with my camera around my neck,
1210
01:11:08,676 --> 01:11:10,461
and run up the side
of the building.
1211
01:11:10,504 --> 01:11:12,985
There's a sheriff's deputy
with a shotgun.
1212
01:11:13,028 --> 01:11:15,161
I snap off a panicked photo,
1213
01:11:15,204 --> 01:11:18,251
then I started hearing gunfire.
I hear a few whizzes
1214
01:11:18,295 --> 01:11:20,819
over my head and I think,
"This is stupid.
I'm getting out of here."
1215
01:11:20,862 --> 01:11:23,256
I'm coming.
Get people out of there!
1216
01:11:23,300 --> 01:11:26,999
And then finally
the entire building just
collapsing around itself.
1217
01:11:40,142 --> 01:11:43,494
There was a lot of metal
on metal screeching going on,
1218
01:11:43,537 --> 01:11:46,279
especially when he's pushing
cars out of the way.
1219
01:11:46,323 --> 01:11:49,500
There was a lot of screeching
noises from the treads
1220
01:11:51,415 --> 01:11:53,939
and it was just kind
of overwhelming, you know,
1221
01:11:53,982 --> 01:11:57,682
looking at and realizing,
you know, I don't have
a way of stopping this.
1222
01:11:57,725 --> 01:12:00,337
- None of us had
a way of stopping it.
1223
01:12:00,380 --> 01:12:04,341
The dozer goes
down to the east end of town.
1224
01:12:04,384 --> 01:12:07,953
They knew that we were
on the hit list,
so they hurried up up here
1225
01:12:07,996 --> 01:12:11,260
and we came across the flats
up here behind the town shop.
1226
01:12:11,304 --> 01:12:13,654
And the county cop stopped us.
1227
01:12:14,394 --> 01:12:16,657
He says,
"You're not going any farther.
We go, "Yeah, we are.
1228
01:12:16,701 --> 01:12:18,485
You can get your ass
down here and arrest me at home
1229
01:12:18,529 --> 01:12:20,531
if you want to, but we're
going down the hill."
1230
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:23,969
That's the Thompson residence.
The bulldozer's headed there.
1231
01:12:24,012 --> 01:12:27,059
We need to have
everybody evacuated out of the Thompsons' residence.
1232
01:12:28,147 --> 01:12:31,542
There's a little house
owned by Thompsons
1233
01:12:31,585 --> 01:12:32,891
and their mother lives there.
1234
01:12:32,934 --> 01:12:34,371
I called her and she thought
1235
01:12:34,414 --> 01:12:35,676
I was joking with her. I said,
1236
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,548
"You needed to get in the car,
1237
01:12:37,591 --> 01:12:39,376
just drive out of town.
Just get out of it."
1238
01:12:40,028 --> 01:12:42,770
Marvin Heemeyer
is around Thompsons' shop.
1239
01:12:42,814 --> 01:12:44,772
The chief of Kremmling PD
showed up.
1240
01:12:44,816 --> 01:12:46,731
He rolls his window down
and said,
1241
01:12:46,774 --> 01:12:48,950
"Hey, Rich,
I got a surprise for you."
1242
01:12:48,994 --> 01:12:53,390
In the backseat is this big,
huge 50-cal silhouette gun.
1243
01:12:53,433 --> 01:12:56,567
And I picked up the gun
and I let loose with it.
1244
01:13:07,142 --> 01:13:08,492
No effect.
1245
01:13:10,711 --> 01:13:13,235
It came down
the backstreet here,
knocked some trees down.
1246
01:13:13,845 --> 01:13:17,109
The dozer ran
right through the house.
1247
01:13:17,152 --> 01:13:18,806
It completely leveled the house.
1248
01:13:19,546 --> 01:13:21,243
She did get out safely.
1249
01:13:21,287 --> 01:13:23,071
My only concern was her.
1250
01:13:23,115 --> 01:13:24,899
Thelma Thompson was asleep
1251
01:13:24,943 --> 01:13:27,336
in the house
only 30 minutes before Marv
1252
01:13:27,380 --> 01:13:29,251
completely destroyed their home.
1253
01:13:29,948 --> 01:13:32,820
It started to destroy
a construction yard
1254
01:13:32,864 --> 01:13:34,953
that's owned
by Thompson & Sons,
1255
01:13:34,996 --> 01:13:37,608
systematically destroying
that area.
1256
01:13:41,699 --> 01:13:44,005
And then he turned and came
over to the shop here
1257
01:13:44,049 --> 01:13:46,834
we had a lowboy trailer
sitting out here,
and he shoved it
1258
01:13:46,878 --> 01:13:49,097
through the wall.
Then he went
down the street down here
1259
01:13:49,141 --> 01:13:51,056
and tipped over
another semitrailer we had.
1260
01:13:51,099 --> 01:13:52,971
He flat laid
it over on its side,
1261
01:13:53,014 --> 01:13:55,626
full of truck parts.
Then he went around
1262
01:13:55,669 --> 01:13:58,803
in front of her house and shoved the Xcel Energy pickup
1263
01:13:58,846 --> 01:14:00,892
through our rental building.
1264
01:14:04,809 --> 01:14:08,290
Meanwhile, this whole ridge is up here was just covered with people,
1265
01:14:08,334 --> 01:14:13,861
following him through town,
watching what he was doing
like a circus.
1266
01:14:13,905 --> 01:14:16,734
Then after that it looked
like a war zone out here.
1267
01:14:16,777 --> 01:14:20,041
All the helicopters flying
around and all the news
trucks showing up.
1268
01:14:20,085 --> 01:14:23,131
And that's when he headed
off down the hill,
went down to Independent Gas.
1269
01:14:23,741 --> 01:14:26,744
Hey, would you make a general
broadcast all units
1270
01:14:26,787 --> 01:14:31,009
should evacuate
at least a thousand feet
1271
01:14:31,052 --> 01:14:34,012
back from the propane tanks
at Independent Gas.
1272
01:14:35,404 --> 01:14:37,232
I was on top of the hill
looking down on that.
1273
01:14:37,276 --> 01:14:39,278
All I saw was rows and rows
1274
01:14:39,321 --> 01:14:41,323
of propane tanks
of various sizes.
1275
01:14:41,367 --> 01:14:43,630
You know we're not talking
camping propane,
1276
01:14:43,674 --> 01:14:47,504
we're talking about, you know,
industrial-size propane tanks.
1277
01:14:47,547 --> 01:14:51,116
If you're standing in the farm, looking up the hill,
1278
01:14:51,159 --> 01:14:54,119
you can see
a senior citizens' home,
1279
01:14:54,162 --> 01:14:56,643
a trailer park,
private residences.
1280
01:14:56,687 --> 01:15:00,865
There were a lot of homes,
a lot of people
in a blast area.
1281
01:15:00,908 --> 01:15:05,086
Well, Marv was by the propane,
shooting at the tanks.
1282
01:15:05,130 --> 01:15:07,872
Move back! He's shooting
at the tanks! Move back!
1283
01:15:07,915 --> 01:15:10,222
He was using
incendiary rounds,
1284
01:15:10,265 --> 01:15:12,659
so they made kind of a flash
and a puff of smoke.
1285
01:15:12,703 --> 01:15:14,661
He's shooting at the propane.
1286
01:15:17,621 --> 01:15:19,623
One of those bullets
could easily hit
1287
01:15:19,666 --> 01:15:22,321
a propane tank
and ignite it immediately.
1288
01:15:22,364 --> 01:15:24,584
There would have been a lot
of damage using these things
1289
01:15:24,628 --> 01:15:27,326
flying through the air,
landing on homes.
1290
01:15:27,369 --> 01:15:31,025
...he's got a 50-cal, he's
trying to take out the tanks
1291
01:15:31,069 --> 01:15:34,072
and transformers--
at Independent Propane
at this time.
1292
01:15:34,115 --> 01:15:38,555
He had a ripper on the backend of the bulldozer.
1293
01:15:38,598 --> 01:15:42,559
And when he would try
to maneuver it to get
the barrel of the gun
1294
01:15:42,602 --> 01:15:46,214
pointing
towards the propane tanks,
1295
01:15:46,258 --> 01:15:50,610
the ripper
was digging into the ground
and not going down far enough
1296
01:15:50,654 --> 01:15:54,005
to allow his armor
to get out of the way.
1297
01:15:54,048 --> 01:15:57,530
And the 50-caliber
was hitting his own armor.
1298
01:15:57,574 --> 01:16:01,012
You can see the shells hitting
the armor and bursting
1299
01:16:01,055 --> 01:16:04,668
into a puff of smoke and flame
when they hit his own armor.
1300
01:16:05,451 --> 01:16:09,281
While one of his bullets did penetrate the power transformer,
1301
01:16:09,324 --> 01:16:12,110
none of 'em penetrated
the actual propane tanks.
1302
01:16:12,153 --> 01:16:15,374
Granby PD also be advised, Federal Heights is going to be in route
1303
01:16:15,417 --> 01:16:17,506
with their Peacekeeper
on its flatbed.
1304
01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:19,683
It'll take about two hours,
Summit County is also
1305
01:16:19,726 --> 01:16:22,860
-en route with a SWAT team.
- Ask them to help us get
1306
01:16:22,903 --> 01:16:25,297
the National Guard
units in here,
1307
01:16:25,340 --> 01:16:28,256
maybe with a helicopter
to stop this unit.
1308
01:16:28,300 --> 01:16:31,346
You need a National
Guard unit and a helicopter?
1309
01:16:32,826 --> 01:16:37,222
Yeah, the uh, the Air National
Guard or Army National Guard,
1310
01:16:37,265 --> 01:16:40,791
uh, either out of Laramie
or out of Eagles.
1311
01:16:40,834 --> 01:16:43,489
And then that's when the county
scraper tried to stop him.
1312
01:16:43,532 --> 01:16:46,100
Yeah, I'm gonna try to bring
the scrapers down Highway 40.
1313
01:16:46,144 --> 01:16:48,015
We wanna know
where they need to go.
1314
01:16:48,059 --> 01:16:50,104
We had asked
for a bulldozer from
1315
01:16:50,148 --> 01:16:52,672
our road and bridge department.
The director
1316
01:16:52,716 --> 01:16:55,501
of Grand County Road and Bridge
was Clark Branstetter.
1317
01:16:55,544 --> 01:16:57,546
Branstetter
on Road and Bridge, I've got
1318
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:59,636
a scraper inside
of where the A&W used to be
1319
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:02,334
on 40, where do you want me
to put this?
1320
01:17:02,377 --> 01:17:04,902
What he did do is bring in two big earthmovers
1321
01:17:04,945 --> 01:17:06,991
or scrapers from the landfill.
1322
01:17:07,034 --> 01:17:09,950
Let's get him up here just as fast as we can.
1323
01:17:09,994 --> 01:17:13,650
Clark Branstetter actually tried to stop the bulldozer
1324
01:17:13,693 --> 01:17:16,348
at the top of the hill, going
back up onto the highway.
1325
01:17:16,391 --> 01:17:19,481
...contact the station,
we have a giant tractor
1326
01:17:19,525 --> 01:17:22,484
that is completely armored
with iron running over
1327
01:17:22,528 --> 01:17:26,358
all vital components,
including the compartment
with only complex.
1328
01:17:26,401 --> 01:17:31,145
He can fire out of firing way.
The driver is completely
enclosed with no entrance.
1329
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:35,062
- Get him back! Stop him!
I can't, he's got a dozer.
1330
01:17:41,416 --> 01:17:45,290
The bulldozer just basically moved the scraper just right out of the way.
1331
01:17:45,333 --> 01:17:48,293
...He's going
out towards the highway!
1332
01:17:48,336 --> 01:17:51,383
He went back up the hill,
back on to Main Street again.
1333
01:17:51,426 --> 01:17:55,692
We're at 4th and Main,
and 4th and Agate now.
1334
01:17:57,258 --> 01:18:01,523
Somewhere right in that
timeframe it appears that
he loses all his antifreeze.
1335
01:18:01,567 --> 01:18:04,875
There's a big white puff of what would be the antifreeze
1336
01:18:04,918 --> 01:18:07,704
hitting hot metal components
from the engine
1337
01:18:07,747 --> 01:18:10,315
and there's a lot
of white smoke.
1338
01:18:10,358 --> 01:18:13,274
Copy, vehicle smoking
heavily at 4th and Agate.
1339
01:18:14,362 --> 01:18:17,931
He damaged copycat printers
a bit while he's positioning
1340
01:18:17,975 --> 01:18:21,718
to get his bulldozer facing
towards the Gambles store.
1341
01:18:22,370 --> 01:18:26,418
He said, "Oh, he's headed for Gambles". Oh, I don't remember how the verbiage was.
1342
01:18:26,461 --> 01:18:29,508
And I just, my stomach went
like, just like a ball.
1343
01:18:29,551 --> 01:18:34,600
Just clinched
because I knew my life was gonna
be completely different.
1344
01:18:34,643 --> 01:18:37,734
The engine of the bulldozer
began overheating.
1345
01:18:44,566 --> 01:18:47,918
I was
across the street, watching
as it came up the street,
1346
01:18:47,961 --> 01:18:53,793
and then watched as it turned
in to go down the side
of the Gambles store.
1347
01:18:53,837 --> 01:18:56,448
You can also tell
that he's starting to lose
power at this time.
1348
01:19:00,800 --> 01:19:05,762
And then it starts
methodically just tearing
apart that Gambles store.
1349
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:20,559
Here 33, Ft. Collins is en route with a SWAT team and an armored vehicle.
1350
01:19:21,821 --> 01:19:25,694
All units,
Grand, too, we need you
to move back towards the east.
1351
01:19:25,738 --> 01:19:27,958
Once again
start blocking traffic.
1352
01:19:28,872 --> 01:19:31,091
He begins going down
the side of it, basically,
1353
01:19:31,135 --> 01:19:33,311
trying to rip the entire side
of the building off.
1354
01:19:35,226 --> 01:19:37,794
The county had gotten
a belly scraper out.
1355
01:19:38,969 --> 01:19:41,841
They pulled that in behind
to block his way.
1356
01:19:45,323 --> 01:19:49,109
Having worked in the Gambles
store I knew what a lot
of people didn't know,
1357
01:19:49,153 --> 01:19:51,068
and that's that there was
a basement in there.
1358
01:19:54,854 --> 01:19:58,292
So he took a run
at Gambles, not realizing
1359
01:19:58,336 --> 01:20:01,687
that the right hand side track
would go into the basement
1360
01:20:01,730 --> 01:20:04,429
and that left him stuck,
unable to move.
1361
01:20:11,001 --> 01:20:13,568
This is the first time
he's actually stopped,
1362
01:20:13,612 --> 01:20:15,962
and the machine shut down.
1363
01:20:19,705 --> 01:20:22,142
But we don't
know what he's doing,
1364
01:20:22,186 --> 01:20:23,448
so we pulled everybody back.
1365
01:20:24,318 --> 01:20:25,798
Can you confirm your location?
1366
01:20:26,364 --> 01:20:28,018
Right now
the dozer is at Gambles
1367
01:20:28,061 --> 01:20:29,541
or what used to be Gambles.
1368
01:20:31,848 --> 01:20:37,027
One of the radio transmissions
at the time is, "Get ready
for a gunfight." It was...
1369
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:41,727
where else are we going
with this? It just figures
we've gone this far,
1370
01:20:41,770 --> 01:20:44,773
now it's, you know,
does somebody pop out of it?
1371
01:20:44,817 --> 01:20:47,080
Does it just fire
from its position?
1372
01:21:00,615 --> 01:21:03,357
We need a Grand 24...
- We started to pair up
1373
01:21:03,401 --> 01:21:05,577
people and get
some tactical advantage.
1374
01:21:10,321 --> 01:21:12,889
You need to go down to Mountain Parks Concrete
1375
01:21:12,932 --> 01:21:15,152
and help secure
that bridge down there.
1376
01:21:32,343 --> 01:21:34,171
And it was
a short time after that
1377
01:21:37,435 --> 01:21:38,871
a gunshot was heard.
1378
01:21:47,184 --> 01:21:49,621
A couple of sheriff's deputies
actually got on top of it
1379
01:21:50,187 --> 01:21:54,278
and were trying to figure out if there was something they could do, some way they could get in.
1380
01:21:54,321 --> 01:21:56,933
You know they had
the same luck that I had,
which is none.
1381
01:21:58,021 --> 01:22:00,980
Some SWAT teams came up
from other jurisdictions
1382
01:22:01,024 --> 01:22:04,897
and attempted
to breach the bulldozer
with an explosive charge.
1383
01:22:05,854 --> 01:22:10,468
And they started blasting
on the dozer.
1384
01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:14,167
All that did was put a,
a stain on the side of it.
1385
01:22:14,211 --> 01:22:16,126
When they triggered that
explosive device
1386
01:22:16,169 --> 01:22:17,954
it rattled the windows
in my house.
1387
01:22:17,997 --> 01:22:20,608
It was a tremendous,
tremendous explosion.
1388
01:22:21,696 --> 01:22:23,785
It didn't even dent the thing.
1389
01:22:23,829 --> 01:22:27,093
When the second blast happened, they still didn't get in.
1390
01:22:28,007 --> 01:22:30,401
They said, "If he's not
already dead he is now."
1391
01:22:31,532 --> 01:22:34,318
And they basically
just brought a cutting torch up
1392
01:22:34,361 --> 01:22:39,627
and cut off the access point
to this air conditioning unit.
1393
01:22:41,064 --> 01:22:46,199
Entry
was finally gained some time
in the midmorning of the 5th.
1394
01:23:02,302 --> 01:23:05,871
Afterwards,
we learned that he put the 357
1395
01:23:05,914 --> 01:23:09,309
into the roof of his mouth
and then pulled the trigger.
1396
01:23:09,353 --> 01:23:12,225
All the cars'
working perimeters,
everybody is still okay.
1397
01:23:13,096 --> 01:23:15,446
No response means
everybody's okay.
1398
01:23:28,589 --> 01:23:30,374
We all rode the sleds up
1399
01:23:31,505 --> 01:23:34,508
and let his ashes fly away.
1400
01:24:01,187 --> 01:24:04,364
Everybody couldn't wait to get
that dozer cut up, scrap it.
1401
01:24:04,408 --> 01:24:07,715
I think they made
a big mistake by not making
a museum out of the thing.
1402
01:24:07,759 --> 01:24:10,849
That'd made this town a ton
of money, a ton of money.
1403
01:24:12,329 --> 01:24:14,331
They went
to Blair's Machine Shop.
1404
01:24:15,723 --> 01:24:19,292
He torched the thing
into small pieces
1405
01:24:19,336 --> 01:24:24,080
and disposed of the scrap steel so that no one person
could get a hold of it
1406
01:24:25,342 --> 01:24:28,084
and say,
"Here's my shrine to Marv."
1407
01:24:33,393 --> 01:24:35,613
This tape's probably got
a lot of emotion in it,
1408
01:24:35,656 --> 01:24:39,486
and, uh, anybody listening to it, you know, you need to...
1409
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,663
uh... realize that.
1410
01:24:43,925 --> 01:24:47,886
And just take it
from there, you know.
1411
01:24:47,929 --> 01:24:51,716
Anyway, hey, I hope you all have a great time and good life.
1412
01:24:51,759 --> 01:24:56,634
I've had a great life.
And I'm gonna put this tape
1413
01:24:56,677 --> 01:24:58,592
and tape recorder
in a plastic bag
1414
01:24:58,636 --> 01:25:01,334
for somebody else
to try to figure it out.
1415
01:25:02,422 --> 01:25:03,684
Well, see you later.
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