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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:06,230 Nearly 30 years ago, seven paintings, 2 00:00:06,230 --> 00:00:08,930 including a priceless Cezanne, were stolen from 3 00:00:08,930 --> 00:00:10,683 a private collection in America. 4 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:13,790 As the years pasted Michael Bakwin, 5 00:00:13,790 --> 00:00:15,400 who owned the paintings 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:19,090 thought he would never see his precious Cezanne again. 7 00:00:19,090 --> 00:00:20,770 The police couldn't find it. 8 00:00:20,770 --> 00:00:23,033 Neither could a private detective he hired. 9 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,460 For three decades the pursuit of the paintings 10 00:00:26,460 --> 00:00:30,310 followed a trail from America to Monaco, to Russia, 11 00:00:30,310 --> 00:00:33,800 to Switzerland, and eventually to London. 12 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,190 But most mysterious of all, was the identity of the man 13 00:00:37,190 --> 00:00:40,210 who had possession of the paintings all those years. 14 00:00:40,210 --> 00:00:43,343 And who was finally exposed in an English courtroom. 15 00:00:44,767 --> 00:00:47,434 (intense music) 16 00:00:57,367 --> 00:01:00,066 (birds chirping) 17 00:01:00,066 --> 00:01:02,899 (slow jazz music) 18 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:11,090 In the 1970s, Stockbridge, Massachusetts, 19 00:01:11,090 --> 00:01:13,670 100 miles west of Boston, 20 00:01:13,670 --> 00:01:16,050 was the starting point of a bizarre story 21 00:01:16,050 --> 00:01:18,500 of dishonesty and double dealing, 22 00:01:18,500 --> 00:01:20,710 involving one of the most important paintings 23 00:01:20,710 --> 00:01:21,863 in the history of art. 24 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:26,750 It's a wealthy community, 25 00:01:26,750 --> 00:01:30,993 a population of 2,000 set in the Berkshire Hills. 26 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,890 The town has a great many well to do families, 27 00:01:37,890 --> 00:01:41,530 families with old money, with art collections, 28 00:01:41,530 --> 00:01:44,823 houses are spread out over a wide area, 29 00:01:45,850 --> 00:01:47,970 it's mountainous and woody, 30 00:01:47,970 --> 00:01:49,690 certainly not unusual not to see 31 00:01:49,690 --> 00:01:51,483 your neighbors house from your own. 32 00:01:56,580 --> 00:01:59,880 Stockbridge was also home to Michael Bakwin, 33 00:01:59,880 --> 00:02:03,243 one of the heirs to a unique and priceless art collection. 34 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,400 At the time Michael Bakwin owned a restaurant and bar 35 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:10,510 in the town, the Avaloch Inn. 36 00:02:10,510 --> 00:02:13,280 It's clientele included not only local people, 37 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,143 but also wealthy tourists vacationing in the area. 38 00:02:17,820 --> 00:02:19,370 I had a little resort in Stockbridge 39 00:02:19,370 --> 00:02:20,917 for 10 years in the 60s 40 00:02:21,834 --> 00:02:23,740 and it was a fun area in those days. 41 00:02:23,740 --> 00:02:26,620 There was a lot of young people in their late 20s 42 00:02:26,620 --> 00:02:28,820 who liked music and it was fun, 43 00:02:28,820 --> 00:02:31,193 and it was not so terribly expensive. 44 00:02:35,630 --> 00:02:37,480 During the 1970s, 45 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:39,493 things began to change in the town. 46 00:02:40,670 --> 00:02:44,580 There were new people coming in, with a lot of money, 47 00:02:44,580 --> 00:02:47,837 and local tough kids taking advantage of that, 48 00:02:47,837 --> 00:02:51,330 and a major crime wave beginning, drug dealing, 49 00:02:51,330 --> 00:02:53,633 assaults, and then theft. 50 00:02:58,230 --> 00:03:00,530 This was Bakwin's home. 51 00:03:00,530 --> 00:03:04,243 Hidden away up a long drive, it was not easy to find. 52 00:03:05,609 --> 00:03:09,080 Bakwin's residence is not an ostentatious place, 53 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,080 it's a one story and it's large, but it is secluded. 54 00:03:16,470 --> 00:03:17,920 Inside this house 55 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:19,850 was one of the most important paintings 56 00:03:19,850 --> 00:03:21,473 in the history of modern art. 57 00:03:24,780 --> 00:03:26,680 It's by the French artist Paul Cezanne 58 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,440 and shows a simple still life, some fruit and a jug, 59 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:33,193 on a crumpled white tablecloth. 60 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:39,610 The Cezanne painting is one of his very typical 61 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:42,580 and quite beautiful still lives 62 00:03:42,580 --> 00:03:45,120 and this is really an exercise 63 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:48,700 in new ways of looking at painting. 64 00:03:48,700 --> 00:03:52,550 So he would paint the apples in a way, as sculpture, 65 00:03:52,550 --> 00:03:54,670 becoming more and more abstract, 66 00:03:54,670 --> 00:03:56,390 which eventually lead a few years later 67 00:03:56,390 --> 00:03:57,670 to the invention of cubism 68 00:03:57,670 --> 00:04:00,193 by his direct successor, Picasso. 69 00:04:04,990 --> 00:04:08,390 On Memorial Day weekend in May 1978, 70 00:04:08,390 --> 00:04:11,170 Mr. Bakwin, his wife and children, 71 00:04:11,170 --> 00:04:13,070 went to his parents house in New York, 72 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:19,074 leaving the family home in Stockbridge empty. 73 00:04:19,074 --> 00:04:21,574 (eerie music) 74 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:31,520 At some point that weekend, thieves drove up the long 75 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,513 pathway to the Bakwin house. 76 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:40,330 In order for anyone to have done the theft 77 00:04:40,330 --> 00:04:42,940 they would of had to of known they were going there, 78 00:04:42,940 --> 00:04:45,430 it's a fairly long driveway going in, 79 00:04:45,430 --> 00:04:47,700 given the number of paintings and the size of them, 80 00:04:47,700 --> 00:04:49,877 they would of had to load them in the car. 81 00:04:49,877 --> 00:04:53,180 And there's not any really good location nearby to park 82 00:04:53,180 --> 00:04:54,253 a car and hide it. 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:58,440 There was no security gate 84 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,680 to stop them at the entrance, 85 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:05,590 no security lights, no security cameras. 86 00:05:05,590 --> 00:05:07,873 People claimed that I had not locked the house 87 00:05:07,873 --> 00:05:09,973 when we were away so I claimed that I had. 88 00:05:12,170 --> 00:05:14,190 There was no sign of a forced entry 89 00:05:14,190 --> 00:05:17,353 into Bakwin's home, but there might of been a reason. 90 00:05:19,230 --> 00:05:22,490 By the front door there was a small stone frog, 91 00:05:22,490 --> 00:05:26,043 and underneath the frog, was the key to the house. 92 00:05:33,510 --> 00:05:36,200 We didn't have any alarms, it was expensive. (laughs) 93 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:39,600 I felt I was living out in the boondocks, 94 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,010 I mean there are wonderful things 95 00:05:41,010 --> 00:05:42,530 in New York City, Chicago, 96 00:05:42,530 --> 00:05:44,460 San Francisco, why would anyone 97 00:05:44,460 --> 00:05:46,950 go in the boondocks to take paintings? 98 00:05:46,950 --> 00:05:49,800 And I just thought it was a very safe place to have them. 99 00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:56,530 The thieves seemed to know 100 00:05:56,530 --> 00:05:58,340 what they were looking for. 101 00:05:58,340 --> 00:06:00,690 They went straight into the formal dining room. 102 00:06:05,220 --> 00:06:07,060 Here there were seven paintings 103 00:06:07,060 --> 00:06:08,720 hanging on the walls, 104 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,600 including Cezanne's priceless "Bouilloire et Fruits." 105 00:06:16,330 --> 00:06:18,850 The thieves removed the six minor paintings 106 00:06:18,850 --> 00:06:21,063 including two by Chaim Soutine, 107 00:06:25,260 --> 00:06:27,493 one by Maurice de Vlaminck, 108 00:06:29,670 --> 00:06:31,853 and one by Maurice Utrillo. 109 00:06:32,950 --> 00:06:37,233 The Utrillo was insured and the Vlaminck was insured, 110 00:06:39,151 --> 00:06:41,540 and I think only one of the Soutines, I don't know why, 111 00:06:41,540 --> 00:06:43,340 but one of the Soutines was insured. 112 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,260 The thieves took the six minor paintings out 113 00:06:47,260 --> 00:06:48,463 to the waiting car. 114 00:06:51,280 --> 00:06:54,173 Michael Bakwin had not insured his priceless Cezanne. 115 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:58,250 The thieves removed the masterpiece from its frame, 116 00:06:58,250 --> 00:07:00,163 and took that out to the car as well. 117 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:05,900 They simply loaded up the trunk and drove back down 118 00:07:05,900 --> 00:07:07,760 the track and away. 119 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,260 Seven paintings in the back, and one, the Cezanne, 120 00:07:11,260 --> 00:07:14,603 worth at the time around 15 million dollars. 121 00:07:17,740 --> 00:07:20,463 It was like loosing a child, although not really. 122 00:07:22,230 --> 00:07:27,230 The Cezanne particularly, I had seen that painting years 123 00:07:27,390 --> 00:07:30,590 before my parents bought it, and I just loved this painting 124 00:07:30,590 --> 00:07:33,860 and it was the most expensive, and the last great 125 00:07:33,860 --> 00:07:36,580 painting my parents bought, I convinced my mother to really 126 00:07:36,580 --> 00:07:40,830 buy it, my father, and then I finally got it. (laughs) 127 00:07:40,830 --> 00:07:43,260 And I had acquired the most beautiful thing 128 00:07:43,260 --> 00:07:46,640 in the whole world, and then it was taken away, 129 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:51,640 and that was extremely emotional time. 130 00:07:51,908 --> 00:07:56,000 (acoustic guitar music) 131 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,737 I actually said to my wife, 132 00:07:57,737 --> 00:08:00,003 "You take care of this, I can't face this." 133 00:08:04,260 --> 00:08:05,380 The stolen paintings 134 00:08:05,380 --> 00:08:06,880 were part of one of the largest 135 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:09,773 and most extravagant private art collections in America. 136 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:17,050 Actually my mother, this picture, yes. 137 00:08:17,050 --> 00:08:18,340 It had been put together 138 00:08:18,340 --> 00:08:20,083 by Michael Bakwin's parents. 139 00:08:22,100 --> 00:08:25,620 My father came from around Utica, New York, 140 00:08:25,620 --> 00:08:28,870 he was the star of his family 141 00:08:28,870 --> 00:08:30,850 but he came from a very, very poor family 142 00:08:30,850 --> 00:08:32,933 and they sacrificed a great deal for him. 143 00:08:34,158 --> 00:08:36,100 And he became a teacher, and that's where he met my mother 144 00:08:36,100 --> 00:08:39,423 who came from quite a wealthy, Chicago family. 145 00:08:40,443 --> 00:08:43,693 (energetic jazz music) 146 00:08:47,670 --> 00:08:48,680 Bakwin's mother Ruth, 147 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:51,610 was heir to a Midwest meat packing business, 148 00:08:51,610 --> 00:08:54,363 built up by her father at the end of the 19th century. 149 00:08:59,780 --> 00:09:02,523 Both Bakwin's parents became pediatricians. 150 00:09:08,350 --> 00:09:11,873 And in the 1920s they left the Midwest for Europe. 151 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,410 They loved each other very much and they respected 152 00:09:17,410 --> 00:09:22,060 each other and I think they were great together. 153 00:09:22,060 --> 00:09:24,643 (upbeat music) 154 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:28,660 The couple eventually settled in Paris. 155 00:09:28,660 --> 00:09:31,640 At the time the French capital was a magnet for artists 156 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,663 and writers from all over Europe and even America. 157 00:09:42,460 --> 00:09:45,600 Ruth and Harry moved easily in the artistic world, 158 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:48,260 and soon began to amass a formidable collection 159 00:09:48,260 --> 00:09:51,233 of mostly Impressionist and Post-Impressionist art. 160 00:09:53,544 --> 00:09:55,530 They had paintings going from anybody, 161 00:09:55,530 --> 00:09:58,040 I guess the oldest they had was an El Greco, 162 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:00,483 but mostly they were with Post-Impressionists. 163 00:10:02,410 --> 00:10:05,470 And they seemed to have wonderful eye for art. 164 00:10:05,470 --> 00:10:07,440 They didn't seem to compromise because they bought 165 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:08,686 always good things. 166 00:10:08,686 --> 00:10:09,931 And I'm very proud of the collection 167 00:10:09,931 --> 00:10:14,931 they've put together and the kinds of people they were. 168 00:10:15,278 --> 00:10:17,861 (upbeat music) 169 00:10:19,900 --> 00:10:21,980 My parents would take me to meet these artists 170 00:10:21,980 --> 00:10:25,040 when we went to France after the Second World War, 171 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:28,203 and so I've met Picasso and I've met Matisse, 172 00:10:29,510 --> 00:10:32,363 I met Utrillo and I met Vlaminck with them. 173 00:10:34,710 --> 00:10:36,450 It was part of this collection, 174 00:10:36,450 --> 00:10:39,470 that Michael Bakwin would, in time, inherit. 175 00:10:39,470 --> 00:10:42,790 And what happened is, eventually my parents 176 00:10:42,790 --> 00:10:45,190 started to give the paintings to their children. 177 00:10:46,330 --> 00:10:48,270 Bakwin himself devised the system 178 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:49,800 for the share out. 179 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:52,860 My mother said to me, "Well you decide how to do this." 180 00:10:52,860 --> 00:10:56,060 Well I knew which paintings which people liked 181 00:10:56,060 --> 00:10:57,860 and which of my sisters and brother, 182 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:00,080 so I thought the fair way would go, 183 00:11:00,080 --> 00:11:01,880 my brother's the oldest, he gets the first choice, 184 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:04,800 but I knew that my brother would've taken the Van Gogh, 185 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,140 my sister Pat gets the second choice, 186 00:11:07,140 --> 00:11:09,800 Bobby gets the third choice, and I get the fourth choice. 187 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,867 But then I get the fifth choice 188 00:11:10,867 --> 00:11:12,773 and it goes back the other way. 189 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,000 so that way I figured out I could get my favorite picture, 190 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:18,253 which was the Cezanne. 191 00:11:24,930 --> 00:11:27,200 The theft of the Cezanne years later 192 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:29,050 was heartbreaking for Michael Bakwin. 193 00:11:31,670 --> 00:11:35,900 I was extremely upset and angry and frustrated and sad 194 00:11:35,900 --> 00:11:40,900 and everything, and also, just I had to tell my mother. 195 00:11:41,150 --> 00:11:44,267 And when I called her, she said, 196 00:11:44,267 --> 00:11:46,705 "Well the girls are alright aren't they?" 197 00:11:46,705 --> 00:11:49,333 And you know, that really helped a lot, 198 00:11:49,333 --> 00:11:50,883 that the painting was really, 199 00:11:52,101 --> 00:11:53,470 the paintings were not that important, 200 00:11:53,470 --> 00:11:55,273 the children were much more important. 201 00:11:58,350 --> 00:12:00,930 The problem for police investigating the theft 202 00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:03,490 was that it was far from clear precisely 203 00:12:03,490 --> 00:12:05,800 when the paintings had been stolen, 204 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:07,723 as Michael Bakwin freely admits. 205 00:12:10,010 --> 00:12:11,590 In my opinion the way it happened is, 206 00:12:11,590 --> 00:12:14,040 that we came back and we went to the house 207 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:17,250 and these paintings were all in the dining room, 208 00:12:17,250 --> 00:12:18,650 and we didn't go into the dining room, 209 00:12:18,650 --> 00:12:20,373 we went into the rest of the house. 210 00:12:23,300 --> 00:12:25,130 In fact it was two days 211 00:12:25,130 --> 00:12:27,608 before it was discovered that the paintings were missing. 212 00:12:27,608 --> 00:12:30,275 (clock chiming) 213 00:12:33,010 --> 00:12:34,990 They could of been in and out of there, 214 00:12:34,990 --> 00:12:37,770 within a relatively short period of time, 215 00:12:37,770 --> 00:12:38,903 five or 10 minutes. 216 00:12:43,810 --> 00:12:45,860 Just who had carried out the robbery 217 00:12:45,860 --> 00:12:46,983 remained a mystery. 218 00:12:47,870 --> 00:12:49,870 But in small town Stockbridge, 219 00:12:49,870 --> 00:12:51,890 suspicion fell on someone with knowledge 220 00:12:51,890 --> 00:12:53,173 of the Bakwin household. 221 00:12:54,300 --> 00:12:57,930 He's not an ostentatious guy, he had local friends, 222 00:12:57,930 --> 00:13:01,220 and for some reason the treasures 223 00:13:01,220 --> 00:13:02,980 that were in his dining room 224 00:13:02,980 --> 00:13:05,593 became known to the wrong people. 225 00:13:06,790 --> 00:13:09,499 There are a number of people who knew, friends that I had, 226 00:13:09,499 --> 00:13:13,363 that came into the house, who knew about it, 227 00:13:14,500 --> 00:13:16,793 and I guess some where quite impressed with it. 228 00:13:18,180 --> 00:13:20,270 There was some concern that possibly 229 00:13:20,270 --> 00:13:21,620 it might of involved someone 230 00:13:21,620 --> 00:13:23,000 who knew the family 231 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,260 or had worked at the house, 232 00:13:25,260 --> 00:13:30,260 I would say, small town, people gossip and people know. 233 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,540 My theory, and particularity my wife's theory, 234 00:13:33,540 --> 00:13:36,973 that one for my friends, just talked too much. 235 00:13:40,140 --> 00:13:42,563 And that's how this all happened. 236 00:13:43,550 --> 00:13:46,080 I think it was just living in that community, 237 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:47,970 gave them this false sense of security 238 00:13:47,970 --> 00:13:51,040 that they were in a secluded area. 239 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,760 They weren't pals with rough, tough people. 240 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:55,410 They were pals with the cultured. 241 00:13:57,460 --> 00:14:00,293 (slow jazz music) 242 00:14:02,075 --> 00:14:04,560 (telephone ringing) 243 00:14:04,560 --> 00:14:08,260 The next month, in June 1978, 244 00:14:08,260 --> 00:14:11,393 there were four anonymous calls to the Bakwin house. 245 00:14:13,290 --> 00:14:14,580 We don't know who the person was 246 00:14:14,580 --> 00:14:16,166 but he was very, very nervous. 247 00:14:16,166 --> 00:14:17,960 And really wanted to get out of this whole mess. 248 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:20,040 And I don't think he ever even asked for anything 249 00:14:20,040 --> 00:14:22,470 but he did tell us that they were in a barn, 250 00:14:22,470 --> 00:14:24,653 in a field not too far from Boston. 251 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,600 But the calls stopped, 252 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,553 and this glimmer of hope petered out. 253 00:14:34,070 --> 00:14:35,880 Michael Bakwin soon suspected 254 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:37,840 that the theft of his paintings 255 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:40,063 might not be a priority to the police. 256 00:14:41,913 --> 00:14:44,120 It wasn't a very important thing to them, 257 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,440 their concept in my opinion was, this was some rich person 258 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:52,230 who lost some possessions and let's go on and find 259 00:14:52,230 --> 00:14:54,043 the drug dealers and so on. 260 00:14:54,950 --> 00:14:58,180 Eventually the whole thing just sort of petered out 261 00:14:58,180 --> 00:15:00,993 and from them on, the private detective took over. 262 00:15:04,760 --> 00:15:06,600 As the frustration mounted, 263 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:11,233 Michael Bakwin eventually turned to this man, Charlie Moore. 264 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,000 Charlie Moore is a private detective living in Plymouth. 265 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,010 For years he's specialized in art crime, 266 00:15:20,010 --> 00:15:22,763 tracking down and retrieving stolen works of art. 267 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:29,580 I was contacted by Mr. Bakwin in December of '78 268 00:15:29,580 --> 00:15:31,340 at the suggestion of federal authorities 269 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:32,743 out in the Springfield area. 270 00:15:33,610 --> 00:15:37,530 I met with Mr. Bakwin and agreed to investigate 271 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:40,440 the theft of his paintings, aimed at trying to recover 272 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:41,740 the ones that were stolen. 273 00:15:43,900 --> 00:15:45,970 When I hired Charlie Moore, and I think Charlie did 274 00:15:45,970 --> 00:15:47,600 a lot of work on this thing. 275 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:49,890 I did give him a contract that he would get a percentage 276 00:15:49,890 --> 00:15:51,190 if he found the paintings. 277 00:15:54,030 --> 00:15:55,020 Once Charlie Moore 278 00:15:55,020 --> 00:15:56,650 started working on the case 279 00:15:56,650 --> 00:15:58,623 some key facts became clear. 280 00:16:01,460 --> 00:16:02,770 They had a housekeeper keeping an eye 281 00:16:02,770 --> 00:16:05,780 on the house, four people came to that house 282 00:16:05,780 --> 00:16:08,160 during that weekend, allegedly to check the mail 283 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:11,450 for Mr. Bakwin and they found that the front door 284 00:16:11,450 --> 00:16:14,720 was unlocked, and they were suspects right away as to, 285 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:16,490 maybe having knowledge of the theft. 286 00:16:16,490 --> 00:16:18,950 Bakwin never gave any authorization for these people 287 00:16:18,950 --> 00:16:20,900 come to the house or to check the mail. 288 00:16:24,810 --> 00:16:27,530 I believe that the two people that stole the paintings, 289 00:16:27,530 --> 00:16:28,427 got information from people 290 00:16:28,427 --> 00:16:30,330 who had been in the house prior 291 00:16:30,330 --> 00:16:32,800 and I also believe that the reason for taking 292 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:36,030 those paintings was to ransom them back, for money, 293 00:16:36,030 --> 00:16:39,120 either to pay for a lawyer or to negotiate 294 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:41,262 a pending criminal charge. 295 00:16:41,262 --> 00:16:43,762 (tense music) 296 00:16:49,100 --> 00:16:51,050 Meanwhile police had a lucky break 297 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:54,090 that put a small time local crook in the frame. 298 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:56,233 His name was David Colvin. 299 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,160 Colvin had approached someone in early June, 300 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,717 several days after the theft and had said to this person, 301 00:17:05,717 --> 00:17:08,367 "I have access to stolen paintings 302 00:17:08,367 --> 00:17:10,350 "and I have access to guns." 303 00:17:10,350 --> 00:17:12,330 The man whom he approached happened to be 304 00:17:12,330 --> 00:17:13,883 a federal undercover agent. 305 00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:17,370 The agent, from the Alcohol, Tobacco, 306 00:17:17,370 --> 00:17:21,240 and Firearms unit, identified David Colvin as the man 307 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,653 trying to sell him the guns and the paintings. 308 00:17:25,460 --> 00:17:28,540 Colvin did a deal with him and for that deal, 309 00:17:28,540 --> 00:17:32,020 Colvin was indicted on that gun charge, there was no real 310 00:17:32,020 --> 00:17:35,020 interest in pressing him, what he might have done 311 00:17:35,020 --> 00:17:36,573 with the stolen paintings. 312 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,060 Colvin was 32 313 00:17:41,060 --> 00:17:43,440 and a well known crook and gambler. 314 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:46,030 He came from Pitsfield, less than 20 miles 315 00:17:46,030 --> 00:17:47,283 from the Bakwin house. 316 00:17:48,420 --> 00:17:50,940 He was married, living out in the Pitsfield area, 317 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:54,150 he had a brother out there, he was raised out there, 318 00:17:54,150 --> 00:17:55,750 his parents lived there as well. 319 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,090 Colvin was fairly we known by the authorities, 320 00:18:00,090 --> 00:18:02,870 he had had some scrapes with the law, he had had some 321 00:18:02,870 --> 00:18:05,773 drug deals, smaller stuff, not major cases. 322 00:18:08,330 --> 00:18:10,800 More than that, Colvin and Bakwin 323 00:18:10,800 --> 00:18:11,833 had actually met. 324 00:18:15,110 --> 00:18:17,540 I'd met him a few times and, 325 00:18:17,540 --> 00:18:18,890 when I was in the inn business there, 326 00:18:18,890 --> 00:18:20,300 I knew almost everybody I had, 327 00:18:20,300 --> 00:18:23,857 big fish in a small pond, you get to know lots of people 328 00:18:23,857 --> 00:18:26,533 and they came down to my place and I would see them, 329 00:18:27,826 --> 00:18:29,050 I didn't know him that well but I had met him 330 00:18:29,050 --> 00:18:30,270 a couple of times. 331 00:18:30,270 --> 00:18:34,183 Colvin knew a lot of people, from growing up there. 332 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,150 You meet some people who are not very nice, 333 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:42,500 some people who are maybe a little bit outside the law 334 00:18:42,500 --> 00:18:45,210 and I talked to a few of them, and they wouldn't say a word 335 00:18:45,210 --> 00:18:47,140 even though I think they knew something. 336 00:18:47,140 --> 00:18:49,100 I knew they were frightened. 337 00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:52,860 And I had asked around and, there was some, I think, 338 00:18:52,860 --> 00:18:57,860 fairly powerful crooks involved in this thing. 339 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:00,290 And Colvin being one of them, 340 00:19:00,290 --> 00:19:02,490 somebody who they should really investigate. 341 00:19:05,540 --> 00:19:07,360 Colvin was already in deep trouble 342 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,040 on gun charges. 343 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,573 He found himself a lawyer, Robert Mardirosian. 344 00:19:13,956 --> 00:19:14,789 He was a steady lawyer 345 00:19:14,789 --> 00:19:15,850 that kept busy doing criminal cases 346 00:19:15,850 --> 00:19:18,490 you know, representing defendants. 347 00:19:18,490 --> 00:19:20,810 I think the reason why he was approached is because 348 00:19:20,810 --> 00:19:23,890 Colvin was under firearm charges, 349 00:19:23,890 --> 00:19:24,750 so I think he was trying 350 00:19:24,750 --> 00:19:27,050 to work his way out of those charges, 351 00:19:27,050 --> 00:19:29,492 and that's why he was contacted. 352 00:19:29,492 --> 00:19:32,325 (easy jazz music) 353 00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:38,170 The criminal and his lawyer, 354 00:19:38,170 --> 00:19:42,320 met at Mardirosian's offices in Watertown, near Boston. 355 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,720 Colvin was facing two major cases. 356 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:47,640 He's got the grand jury going on in Boston, 357 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:50,200 regarding the theft from the Bakwin home, 358 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,530 and he's got this federal case 359 00:19:51,530 --> 00:19:53,740 hanging over his head over the gun case. 360 00:19:53,740 --> 00:19:56,610 Somehow he learns that Bob Mardirosian 361 00:19:56,610 --> 00:19:57,610 would be an individual 362 00:19:57,610 --> 00:19:59,380 who could represent him. 363 00:19:59,380 --> 00:20:03,960 In July 1978 he visits Mardirosian 364 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:05,780 at Mardirosian's office, 365 00:20:05,780 --> 00:20:08,060 in Watertown, it's the first time 366 00:20:08,060 --> 00:20:09,723 that the two men have met. 367 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:13,880 When the meeting was over, Robert Mardirosian 368 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,890 offered to put his client up for the night, 369 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:18,583 in the attic of another office he had across town. 370 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:24,010 Colvin spent the night at Mardirosian's law office 371 00:20:24,010 --> 00:20:25,320 because the next morning 372 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,060 he was going in for an arraignment 373 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:29,450 on the gun trafficking case. 374 00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:31,560 Bob Mardirosian said he had no place to stay 375 00:20:31,560 --> 00:20:33,970 and he didn't have the money to put himself up. 376 00:20:33,970 --> 00:20:38,970 So Bob offered his attic and Colvin took advantage of it. 377 00:20:39,083 --> 00:20:42,416 (acoustic guitar music) 378 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,805 In July 1978, David Colvin was sentenced 379 00:20:48,805 --> 00:20:52,070 in Boston for the firearms offenses. 380 00:20:52,070 --> 00:20:53,563 He got a year's probation. 381 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:01,360 It was a different story 382 00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,690 when Colvin came before a grand jury, 383 00:21:03,690 --> 00:21:06,043 investigating the theft for Michael Bakwin. 384 00:21:07,420 --> 00:21:09,253 David Colvin he didn't say much. 385 00:21:10,180 --> 00:21:12,150 He pleaded the Fifth Amendment 386 00:21:12,150 --> 00:21:13,720 and said nothing. 387 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:15,660 Anybody who was called the grand jury said nothing 388 00:21:15,660 --> 00:21:17,430 so that didn't do any good. 389 00:21:17,430 --> 00:21:20,390 Others who knew the comings and goings of the Bakwin's 390 00:21:20,390 --> 00:21:23,330 did testify and they could not not come up 391 00:21:23,330 --> 00:21:25,633 with a strong enough lead to indict anybody. 392 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:32,770 For the moment at least, Colvin was a free man 393 00:21:32,770 --> 00:21:35,570 but if the police thought felt they'd find the robber, 394 00:21:35,570 --> 00:21:36,770 they soon had a problem. 395 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:42,210 Colvin's gambling finally got him into serious trouble 396 00:21:42,210 --> 00:21:44,560 with the criminal underworld in which he moved. 397 00:21:45,420 --> 00:21:47,920 He owed money to a couple of guys who'd from 398 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:51,493 gambling debt in Boston, and they came out to collect. 399 00:21:55,360 --> 00:21:57,690 In February 1979, 400 00:21:57,690 --> 00:22:00,883 two Boston men drove to Colvin's home in Pitsfield. 401 00:22:04,100 --> 00:22:08,393 They needed to call in a gambling debt, just $1,500. 402 00:22:09,540 --> 00:22:12,030 He refused to pay, a fight ensued, 403 00:22:12,030 --> 00:22:13,680 allegedly he reached for his gun. 404 00:22:17,940 --> 00:22:19,490 There was a scuffle 405 00:22:19,490 --> 00:22:21,810 and as the killer later claimed in court, 406 00:22:21,810 --> 00:22:25,810 fearing for his life, he drew his 38 revolver 407 00:22:25,810 --> 00:22:27,333 and shot Colvin dead. 408 00:22:29,306 --> 00:22:31,723 (gun firing) 409 00:22:35,980 --> 00:22:39,313 (acoustic guitar music) 410 00:22:46,433 --> 00:22:47,266 One of the men was let go. 411 00:22:47,266 --> 00:22:50,160 He was cleared on a self-defense charge. 412 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,680 The other man who actually shot him 413 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,880 went to jail for 10 years, for manslaughter. 414 00:22:55,530 --> 00:22:57,563 I felt happy and sad. 415 00:22:58,935 --> 00:23:02,370 I was glad that, and I thought maybe this would scare people 416 00:23:02,370 --> 00:23:06,030 into saying something, but I think it just made them 417 00:23:06,030 --> 00:23:07,363 even more nervous. 418 00:23:11,050 --> 00:23:13,930 Colvin's death stops the investigation 419 00:23:13,930 --> 00:23:18,113 as far as who stole it, that was the end of the trail. 420 00:23:22,300 --> 00:23:24,400 The police now had a problem. 421 00:23:26,740 --> 00:23:29,820 With the prime suspect dead, they were further than ever 422 00:23:29,820 --> 00:23:32,283 from finding Michael Bakwin's precious Cezanne. 423 00:23:34,830 --> 00:23:36,860 Private detective Charlie Moore 424 00:23:36,860 --> 00:23:38,263 wasn't doing much better. 425 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,980 Gotten a few phone calls, and one in particular thought 426 00:23:42,980 --> 00:23:45,620 they saw the Cezanne painting, the bowl of fruits hanging 427 00:23:45,620 --> 00:23:47,243 on the way in a condo in Boston. 428 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:50,870 We'd started an investigation against that man, 429 00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:53,130 we tried to get into his condo unit a couple of times, 430 00:23:53,130 --> 00:23:55,830 legitimately, we couldn't get in there and when we finally 431 00:23:55,830 --> 00:23:57,890 did that painting was not in there. 432 00:23:57,890 --> 00:24:00,080 Charlie did a lot of work on this thing. 433 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,220 We also had another suspect that moved from 434 00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:04,810 Massachusets to Florida, we put surveillance on it 435 00:24:04,810 --> 00:24:07,040 but that proved to be negative but it took quite a bit 436 00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:09,040 of time before we figured that out. 437 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,830 He thinks he found the paintings being moved 438 00:24:11,830 --> 00:24:13,210 from one place to another. 439 00:24:13,210 --> 00:24:15,600 We thought the paintings may of been traded for drugs. 440 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:17,110 That didn't work out that well. 441 00:24:17,110 --> 00:24:19,941 He sort of lost them in the Florida area. 442 00:24:19,941 --> 00:24:21,120 There were some pretty bad people so we decided 443 00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,320 to back off of that. 444 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,860 But he continued to work on it. 445 00:24:24,860 --> 00:24:26,670 We tired to locate the other person 446 00:24:26,670 --> 00:24:28,090 we thought was involved in the theft. 447 00:24:28,090 --> 00:24:30,500 We had information that he had moved out to the west coast. 448 00:24:30,500 --> 00:24:31,730 We tried to locate him out there 449 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:33,360 but we never did find him. 450 00:24:33,360 --> 00:24:35,310 We kind of let that end go. 451 00:24:35,310 --> 00:24:36,280 So these are the kind of operations 452 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,830 we were taking after Mr. Colvin was murdered. 453 00:24:38,830 --> 00:24:43,030 You know, we pursued that right up until '99, 2000. 454 00:24:43,030 --> 00:24:46,030 (upbeat jazz music) 455 00:24:49,270 --> 00:24:51,210 In the search for the stolen art, 456 00:24:51,210 --> 00:24:53,850 the focus shifted to London. 457 00:24:53,850 --> 00:24:56,673 And to this man, Julian Radcliffe. 458 00:24:58,130 --> 00:25:00,850 Radcliffe runs the Art Loss Register, 459 00:25:00,850 --> 00:25:04,083 an international business that finds stolen works of art. 460 00:25:06,690 --> 00:25:09,600 The idea is simple, and designed to stop thieves 461 00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:10,820 ever being able to sell 462 00:25:10,820 --> 00:25:12,663 a stolen picture on the open market. 463 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,680 The Art Loss Register database 464 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:20,690 logs descriptions of stolen art and antiques 465 00:25:20,690 --> 00:25:22,440 which can be easily searched 466 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:24,670 for a suspect piece. 467 00:25:24,670 --> 00:25:28,130 We take the details of the pictures 468 00:25:28,130 --> 00:25:30,210 and photographs of them, 469 00:25:30,210 --> 00:25:32,540 and place it on a searchable database, 470 00:25:32,540 --> 00:25:36,600 and then search 300,000 items which are sold during 471 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:40,333 an average year against those items to try and find them. 472 00:25:42,930 --> 00:25:43,770 The descriptions 473 00:25:43,770 --> 00:25:47,300 of Bakwin's treasured Cezanne and the six other paintings 474 00:25:47,300 --> 00:25:49,453 were lodged with the Art Loss Register. 475 00:25:51,620 --> 00:25:53,820 Bakwin sold his house in Massachusets 476 00:25:53,820 --> 00:25:56,513 soon after the robbery and moved to Virginia. 477 00:25:57,370 --> 00:25:59,960 As the years passed, the Art Loss Register 478 00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:03,443 became his best hope of getting the paintings back. 479 00:26:05,180 --> 00:26:06,630 I'll tell you a very funny thing. 480 00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:08,190 I'd never heard of Art Loss Register. 481 00:26:08,190 --> 00:26:10,890 I called Sotheby's and Christie's and other places. 482 00:26:10,890 --> 00:26:12,199 And they had heard of them 483 00:26:12,199 --> 00:26:13,730 and they knew what they were so, 484 00:26:13,730 --> 00:26:15,780 but it still seemed a little bit strange. 485 00:26:18,530 --> 00:26:21,463 Julian is a strange guy. (laughs) 486 00:26:23,050 --> 00:26:24,423 But they're very good. 487 00:26:27,010 --> 00:26:28,460 Radcliffe was confident 488 00:26:28,460 --> 00:26:31,790 that one day the power of the Art Loss Register 489 00:26:31,790 --> 00:26:34,523 would finally retrieve Michael Bakwin's paintings. 490 00:26:40,666 --> 00:26:43,916 (peaceful piano music) 491 00:26:50,450 --> 00:26:52,320 The breakthrough finally came 492 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,580 when insurance underwriters Lloyd's of London 493 00:26:54,580 --> 00:26:57,060 was asked to insure a Cezanne painting 494 00:26:57,060 --> 00:26:58,713 for transportation to England. 495 00:26:59,980 --> 00:27:02,530 They checked the painting on the Art Loss Register. 496 00:27:03,490 --> 00:27:05,063 It was Michael Bakwin's. 497 00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:11,840 The request to Lloyd's had come from an Englishman, 498 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,223 working in the construction business in Russia. 499 00:27:15,900 --> 00:27:18,040 He was approached by some Russians 500 00:27:19,779 --> 00:27:23,020 and they said, "Can you help us sell some pictures?" 501 00:27:23,020 --> 00:27:25,417 And he quite innocently said, "I don't know anything 502 00:27:25,417 --> 00:27:28,017 "about pictures but I'll see what I can do to help." 503 00:27:30,210 --> 00:27:31,890 Julian Radcliffe set up a meeting 504 00:27:31,890 --> 00:27:34,290 at the offices of Lloyd's in the city of London. 505 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:40,157 I said, "Put those people who contacted you 506 00:27:40,157 --> 00:27:43,557 "in touch with me if you don't want to stay in the picture." 507 00:27:44,900 --> 00:27:46,967 Initially he said, "I don't think I do want to stay 508 00:27:46,967 --> 00:27:48,498 "in the picture. 509 00:27:48,498 --> 00:27:51,260 "This sounds as though this could be the Russian mafia." 510 00:27:51,260 --> 00:27:54,543 They wanted 15 million dollars for the pictures. 511 00:27:55,470 --> 00:27:58,447 We said, "We're not gonna give you any money, 512 00:27:58,447 --> 00:28:01,147 "unless you tell us how you got them and who you are." 513 00:28:02,110 --> 00:28:03,590 The negotiations went on 514 00:28:03,590 --> 00:28:06,120 inconclusively for months. 515 00:28:06,120 --> 00:28:07,670 It was not even clear 516 00:28:07,670 --> 00:28:09,720 whether the Cezanne was in Russia at all. 517 00:28:13,530 --> 00:28:16,340 Back in America, Michael Bakwin at last thought 518 00:28:16,340 --> 00:28:17,760 he was getting closer to seeing 519 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:19,543 his beloved Cezanne again. 520 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,360 That was kind of exciting then, and of course the other 521 00:28:24,360 --> 00:28:27,720 amazing thing was, we knew then, they had told us 522 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,200 that all seven paintings were still together. 523 00:28:30,200 --> 00:28:31,560 That amazed me. 524 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:33,440 It would just of thought that they would of tried 525 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,790 to get rid of some of them. 526 00:28:36,140 --> 00:28:37,960 The people holding the paintings 527 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,230 turned out to be a mysterious organization 528 00:28:40,230 --> 00:28:43,000 called Erie International Trading Company, 529 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,363 registered in Panama. 530 00:28:46,930 --> 00:28:48,550 The company employed a Swiss lawyer 531 00:28:48,550 --> 00:28:51,993 named Dr. Bernhard Vischer to negotiate on their behalf. 532 00:28:54,670 --> 00:28:56,690 Radcliffe never knew, nor did Vischer ever say 533 00:28:56,690 --> 00:28:59,300 who was behind Erie International. 534 00:28:59,300 --> 00:29:01,333 All he was dealing with was a lawyer. 535 00:29:05,860 --> 00:29:07,900 Julian Radcliffe flew to Switzerland 536 00:29:07,900 --> 00:29:12,010 during the summer of 1999 for numerous meetings. 537 00:29:12,010 --> 00:29:14,390 He seemed to be getting nowhere. 538 00:29:14,390 --> 00:29:18,540 During July and August these negotiations carried on 539 00:29:18,540 --> 00:29:22,830 and eventually in September I said, having cleared this 540 00:29:22,830 --> 00:29:26,220 with the FBI, that we might be prepared, 541 00:29:26,220 --> 00:29:28,500 since we were making no progress, 542 00:29:28,500 --> 00:29:32,970 to take the Cezanne and sign over to them, 543 00:29:32,970 --> 00:29:34,453 the other six pictures. 544 00:29:35,830 --> 00:29:37,870 It was a deal with the devil, 545 00:29:37,870 --> 00:29:40,690 Radcliffe believed that these people 546 00:29:40,690 --> 00:29:42,840 who had the paintings at the time 547 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:45,643 had gotten them knowing that the paintings were stolen. 548 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,940 The other six pictures at that time were worth say, 549 00:29:49,940 --> 00:29:51,520 half a million dollars, 550 00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:54,850 the Cezanne we knew, was worth at least 15. 551 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:59,200 In order to get back a very important picture, 552 00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:00,070 the police agreed 553 00:30:00,070 --> 00:30:02,270 that this would be a reasonable thing to do. 554 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:12,380 But there was a catch, 555 00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:15,760 Radcliffe wanted certain guarantees from Dr. Vischer 556 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:19,053 about the people behind the mysterious Erie International. 557 00:30:22,130 --> 00:30:25,380 I said that he would have to make a declaration, 558 00:30:25,380 --> 00:30:27,340 which he would have to sign, 559 00:30:27,340 --> 00:30:28,923 saying he knew it was true, 560 00:30:29,870 --> 00:30:33,950 about how his client got the pictures, who his client was, 561 00:30:33,950 --> 00:30:36,730 and answering a whole list of other questions 562 00:30:36,730 --> 00:30:38,560 and that envelope would be lodged 563 00:30:39,620 --> 00:30:42,483 with a neutral lawyer in London. 564 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,920 Vischer's client signed the declaration as well 565 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,620 and the envelope was put into a safe 566 00:30:49,620 --> 00:30:52,903 at the officers of London solicitors, Herbert Smith. 567 00:31:00,980 --> 00:31:02,570 Though Michael Bakwin was desperate 568 00:31:02,570 --> 00:31:05,020 to see the return of his missing paintings, 569 00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:08,463 he only consented reluctantly to Julian Radcliffe's plan. 570 00:31:09,928 --> 00:31:10,910 In my opinion this is kidnapping, 571 00:31:10,910 --> 00:31:12,500 this is a ransom you're paying. 572 00:31:12,500 --> 00:31:14,897 I actually said, "No I'm not really interested in that 573 00:31:14,897 --> 00:31:15,757 "but Julian if you think 574 00:31:15,757 --> 00:31:18,397 "that's a good way to do it, do it." 575 00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,190 And you will find that my signature's never 576 00:31:21,190 --> 00:31:23,000 been on that document that actually gave 577 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,972 those paintings to them. 578 00:31:24,972 --> 00:31:27,472 (tense music) 579 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,250 Julian Radcliffe flew to Geneva 580 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:41,453 to clinch the deal. 581 00:31:47,130 --> 00:31:48,950 Radcliffe and his lawyer were joined 582 00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:50,160 by the head of Sotheby's 583 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,600 Impressionist and Modern Art Department, 584 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:54,220 Michel Strauss. 585 00:31:54,220 --> 00:31:56,743 It was a real thrill, asked to go along and, 586 00:31:57,893 --> 00:32:00,030 you didn't know what was going to happen. 587 00:32:00,030 --> 00:32:02,770 Was nothing going to happen? 588 00:32:02,770 --> 00:32:04,230 Was the painting going to be produced? 589 00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:05,830 How was it going to be produced? 590 00:32:10,870 --> 00:32:12,950 It was just after lunch, about two o'clock 591 00:32:12,950 --> 00:32:17,260 that we went to this lawyer's office 592 00:32:17,260 --> 00:32:18,820 in one of the streets 593 00:32:18,820 --> 00:32:20,793 in the center of Geneva. 594 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,965 The crucial meeting with Bernhard Vischer 595 00:32:31,965 --> 00:32:32,890 was to be at the offices 596 00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:35,033 of Julian Radcliffe's Swiss lawyer. 597 00:32:38,994 --> 00:32:43,077 (footsteps clicking on pavement) 598 00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:54,770 It didn't get off to a very good start. 599 00:32:54,770 --> 00:32:56,670 Julian and I were shown upstairs 600 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:58,743 into a large waiting room. 601 00:33:00,406 --> 00:33:03,406 (telephone ringing) 602 00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:05,450 Vischer started ringing up 603 00:33:05,450 --> 00:33:06,530 saying he was going to be late, 604 00:33:06,530 --> 00:33:09,030 like two hours late, three hours late, 605 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:11,020 and everybody started thinking that, 606 00:33:11,020 --> 00:33:14,031 this thing might never come off, it might all be a scam. 607 00:33:14,031 --> 00:33:16,920 (telephone ringing) 608 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,030 I didn't know what was going on 609 00:33:19,030 --> 00:33:20,833 between Julian and the lawyer. 610 00:33:22,630 --> 00:33:24,840 The Sotheby's personnel and a number of other people 611 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,160 were thinking the whole of this was not worth doing. 612 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,110 I just had to wait, and wait, and wait. 613 00:33:31,110 --> 00:33:33,620 And nothing for about an hour and a half. 614 00:33:38,630 --> 00:33:41,710 It was quite tense because, according to Picasso 615 00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:44,360 this was one of the greatest ever pictures 616 00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:47,040 and it was the foundation of cubism. 617 00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:50,323 So this was an extraordinarily important picture. 618 00:33:53,230 --> 00:33:55,450 I kept on being told, just another five minutes, 619 00:33:55,450 --> 00:33:57,520 he'd suddenly appear, his head around the door, 620 00:33:57,520 --> 00:33:58,720 said we're almost there. 621 00:34:04,770 --> 00:34:07,760 Just as the waiting became unbearable, 622 00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:12,290 Dr. Vischer walked in with a briefcase bulging with papers. 623 00:34:12,290 --> 00:34:14,800 Eventually he turns up, looking harassed, 624 00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600 wet, and sweaty. (laughs) 625 00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,077 And he says, "Well I'm sorry 626 00:34:19,077 --> 00:34:20,337 "I haven't got all the documents 627 00:34:20,337 --> 00:34:23,990 "but I've got enough documents to hand over the Cezanne." 628 00:34:23,990 --> 00:34:25,690 And there were about six documents to be signed, 629 00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:28,030 he had three or four of them, but not all of them, 630 00:34:28,030 --> 00:34:29,817 and I said, "That's fine, I'll sign these, 631 00:34:29,817 --> 00:34:31,829 "you hand over the Cezanne." 632 00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:34,496 (clock ticking) 633 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:38,220 And he then said, "Well excuse me," 634 00:34:38,220 --> 00:34:39,820 and he went out of the building. 635 00:34:42,210 --> 00:34:45,320 Then Vischer made a call from his cell phone 636 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,353 and everyone went down to the courtyard. 637 00:34:48,300 --> 00:34:49,970 We were standing underneath the trees 638 00:34:49,970 --> 00:34:52,681 and he went down the street. 639 00:34:52,681 --> 00:34:55,264 (cars honking) 640 00:34:58,970 --> 00:35:00,343 And a car came along, 641 00:35:01,610 --> 00:35:05,060 and handed the Cezanne out in a black plastic bin liner, 642 00:35:05,060 --> 00:35:06,780 out of the window to him, 643 00:35:06,780 --> 00:35:09,030 and he came scuttling back into the building. 644 00:35:10,020 --> 00:35:12,570 The group then returned to the office. 645 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,980 The door opened, this lawyer appeared, 646 00:35:16,980 --> 00:35:21,280 carrying a black plastic bin bag, 647 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,460 in the shape of a rectangular object 648 00:35:24,460 --> 00:35:29,067 and he just pushed it at me and said, "Here it is." 649 00:35:31,810 --> 00:35:33,663 So I was a bit surprised and, 650 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,930 the first idea was to kneel down on the floor 651 00:35:36,930 --> 00:35:41,030 with the painting and I opened a corner with my finger, 652 00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:43,053 I opened a corner of the black plastic. 653 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:48,863 He looked at it, 654 00:35:48,863 --> 00:35:50,893 because I told him to say nothing at the time. 655 00:35:54,460 --> 00:35:55,840 Then there was some white, 656 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,710 sort of padding underneath that, 657 00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:59,730 which I also pulled aside, 658 00:35:59,730 --> 00:36:02,773 because I was too impatient to unwrap the whole thing. 659 00:36:03,752 --> 00:36:06,370 And as soon as I saw a small part, 660 00:36:06,370 --> 00:36:09,610 I suppose a two inch square section of the painting, 661 00:36:09,610 --> 00:36:13,840 I knew immediately from the colors, and the brush strokes, 662 00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:15,684 that that was a Cezanne. 663 00:36:15,684 --> 00:36:20,684 (tense music) (clock chiming) 664 00:36:26,347 --> 00:36:29,257 And he said to me, "I only need look at one brush stroke, 665 00:36:29,257 --> 00:36:30,763 "I know it's Cezanne." 666 00:36:32,512 --> 00:36:33,677 Because I was so familiar with his work, 667 00:36:33,677 --> 00:36:37,080 I mean, 40 years I've been looking and studying, 668 00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:41,140 and selling his paintings, and that was it. 669 00:36:41,140 --> 00:36:42,293 We had the real thing. 670 00:36:43,630 --> 00:36:45,750 I went into another room with him, 671 00:36:45,750 --> 00:36:46,830 he told me that it was 672 00:36:46,830 --> 00:36:48,830 the right picture and I could be confident 673 00:36:48,830 --> 00:36:49,883 in signing for it. 674 00:36:51,180 --> 00:36:54,070 It's a real thrill, being asked to go along 675 00:36:54,070 --> 00:36:58,233 and it was one of the most exciting things I've done. 676 00:37:00,820 --> 00:37:03,000 I took all the packaging off 677 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,393 and lent the painting against the wall, surrounded by, 678 00:37:07,472 --> 00:37:10,900 it's packing materials, and photographed it, 679 00:37:10,900 --> 00:37:15,900 for my own, for a record of what I'd just seen, 680 00:37:17,610 --> 00:37:18,760 what had just happened. 681 00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:22,743 (inspiring music) 682 00:37:23,930 --> 00:37:25,410 Radcliffe had pulled off 683 00:37:25,410 --> 00:37:28,863 the biggest art recovery in modern art heist history. 684 00:37:30,270 --> 00:37:33,823 But in his heart, he knew this was only half the story. 685 00:37:39,850 --> 00:37:44,170 I interviewed Mr. Radcliffe soon after he struck that deal 686 00:37:44,170 --> 00:37:47,258 and he said to me at the time that he didn't believe that 687 00:37:47,258 --> 00:37:51,080 agreement that he signed really had much legal value. 688 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,270 He thought because the paintings had been stolen, 689 00:37:53,270 --> 00:37:56,314 the agreement had been quote coerced unquote out of him. 690 00:37:56,314 --> 00:37:58,814 (tense music) 691 00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:02,490 Radcliffe was convinced 692 00:38:02,490 --> 00:38:05,770 that whoever had held the Cezanne all those years, 693 00:38:05,770 --> 00:38:08,060 knew more about the original robbery 694 00:38:08,060 --> 00:38:09,360 than they were letting on. 695 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:13,410 Indeed their lawyer Dr. Vischer 696 00:38:13,410 --> 00:38:16,453 had inadvertently divulged crucial information. 697 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:25,000 Vischer let slip one or two facts which I didn't know, 698 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,290 I had not given to him, 699 00:38:29,290 --> 00:38:31,570 and could only have come from somebody 700 00:38:31,570 --> 00:38:34,763 concerned with the theft or with the family. 701 00:38:37,620 --> 00:38:40,290 He knew that the key was kept 702 00:38:40,290 --> 00:38:42,123 under the frog by the front door. 703 00:38:51,530 --> 00:38:53,080 We know that's how they got in. 704 00:38:59,594 --> 00:39:00,710 There were a number of little things 705 00:39:00,710 --> 00:39:03,500 like the frog and the key 706 00:39:03,500 --> 00:39:08,143 which indicated to me that Vischer's clients knew a lot, 707 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,220 but I couldn't work out who they were. 708 00:39:16,935 --> 00:39:19,768 (easy jazz music) 709 00:39:22,570 --> 00:39:24,130 Meanwhile, the Cezanne 710 00:39:24,130 --> 00:39:25,563 went on show in New York. 711 00:39:28,810 --> 00:39:31,073 Michael Bakwin now had the painting back, 712 00:39:31,950 --> 00:39:33,250 but he'd already decided 713 00:39:33,250 --> 00:39:35,230 that there was no way he could provide 714 00:39:35,230 --> 00:39:37,833 the right security for such a masterpiece. 715 00:39:39,980 --> 00:39:41,660 Came to New York and they were very nice. 716 00:39:41,660 --> 00:39:44,810 They let me spend a little time with it. 717 00:39:44,810 --> 00:39:46,430 And still a tear comes to my eye 718 00:39:46,430 --> 00:39:48,563 when I think about that beautiful painting. 719 00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:52,463 It was a very, very emotional thing. 720 00:39:53,730 --> 00:39:55,850 I'm still sad that I could not of ever afford 721 00:39:55,850 --> 00:39:57,037 to keep it again but, 722 00:39:59,687 --> 00:40:02,937 (peaceful piano music) 723 00:40:08,460 --> 00:40:10,080 The Cezanne went up for auction 724 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:11,833 at Sotheby's in London. 725 00:40:14,210 --> 00:40:16,160 The estimate was nine to 12 million, 726 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:19,370 that was the range that we thought it could fetch. 727 00:40:19,370 --> 00:40:20,203 I remember the bidding 728 00:40:20,203 --> 00:40:22,243 was rather slow to begin with. 729 00:40:23,302 --> 00:40:26,380 The bidding started at about, six million pounds. 730 00:40:26,380 --> 00:40:29,630 It crept over the low estimate. 731 00:40:29,630 --> 00:40:33,200 It kept on going up and up, 100s of 1,000s, 500,000s. 732 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:35,610 They crept up to a high estimate. 733 00:40:35,610 --> 00:40:37,440 Probably 12, 13 million pounds, 734 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:39,850 there were I think just two people in it. 735 00:40:39,850 --> 00:40:42,993 Then quite briskly moved up to 18 million pounds. 736 00:40:44,130 --> 00:40:46,850 Everyone was thrilled with excitement, 737 00:40:46,850 --> 00:40:47,683 but we certainly never expected 738 00:40:47,683 --> 00:40:48,973 to see a price like that. 739 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:54,350 Which I think was largely due to the quality of the painting 740 00:40:54,350 --> 00:40:56,040 and it's rarity. 741 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,311 I remember the Art Loss Register person 742 00:40:57,311 --> 00:41:01,197 who was on my right said, "Oh thank god, 743 00:41:01,197 --> 00:41:02,147 "there might be a bonus 744 00:41:02,147 --> 00:41:06,167 "and I can afford the new boiler." (laughs) 745 00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:13,980 Bakwin's treasured Cezanne 746 00:41:13,980 --> 00:41:16,593 was bought by an anonymous telephone bidder. 747 00:41:21,070 --> 00:41:23,940 It's just like there's your old friend you're saying 748 00:41:23,940 --> 00:41:26,293 goodbye to again, and that's very sad. 749 00:41:28,843 --> 00:41:29,676 And I don't know how I'd feel 750 00:41:29,676 --> 00:41:31,690 if I ever see it in a museum again. (laughs) 751 00:41:31,690 --> 00:41:33,913 But I think it would be okay. 752 00:41:35,170 --> 00:41:36,180 And I'm glad that it has a nice home. 753 00:41:36,180 --> 00:41:38,330 I know where it is, and I'm very happy, so. 754 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,620 But Bakwin had to wait another five years 755 00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:50,803 for any more news about his six missing paintings. 756 00:41:53,050 --> 00:41:55,550 (tense music) 757 00:42:00,820 --> 00:42:05,140 In early 2005, four of the six remaining paintings 758 00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:07,943 suddenly turned up for sale at Sotheby's in London. 759 00:42:09,540 --> 00:42:14,540 The two Soutines, the de Vlaminck, and the Utrillo. 760 00:42:17,590 --> 00:42:22,300 In 2005, we're contacted by Sotheby's, 761 00:42:22,300 --> 00:42:24,817 so I said to Sotheby's, "First of all, 762 00:42:24,817 --> 00:42:27,323 "find out who is selling them." 763 00:42:28,370 --> 00:42:29,720 Once again 764 00:42:29,720 --> 00:42:32,403 it was Erie International Trading Company. 765 00:42:33,610 --> 00:42:36,470 Julian Radcliffe became more convinced than ever 766 00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:39,240 that the people he was dealing with had some link 767 00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:41,320 to the original robbery. 768 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:45,630 I knew from that, that the people behind Erie 769 00:42:45,630 --> 00:42:48,910 were almost definitely criminals 770 00:42:48,910 --> 00:42:51,158 but we had to prove it 771 00:42:51,158 --> 00:42:54,347 and we could then say, "We want to open the envelope 772 00:42:54,347 --> 00:42:56,907 "in order to see who it is behind Erie." 773 00:43:00,770 --> 00:43:03,850 Radcliffe's legal team now needed to convince 774 00:43:03,850 --> 00:43:07,280 the court that he had entered into the original agreement 775 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,333 to retrieve the Cezanne under duress. 776 00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:16,557 Our approach was to say, "Well the arbitration agreement 777 00:43:16,557 --> 00:43:19,877 "was forced upon by Mr. Bakwin by duress, 778 00:43:19,877 --> 00:43:22,751 "he had no choice if he wanted to recover 779 00:43:22,751 --> 00:43:26,947 "one or more paintings, he had to sign that agreement." 780 00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:29,720 The information in the envelope 781 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:32,573 was critical to the finding of duress. 782 00:43:34,310 --> 00:43:36,870 The judge at the high court agreed, 783 00:43:36,870 --> 00:43:39,113 and ordered that the envelope be opened. 784 00:43:40,830 --> 00:43:43,547 The judge said, "By six o'clock, Herbert Smith 785 00:43:43,547 --> 00:43:47,297 "were to make that envelope available to us." 786 00:43:49,810 --> 00:43:53,660 That evening I went along to Herbert Smith, 787 00:43:53,660 --> 00:43:56,363 the lawyers who'd held the envelope for six years. 788 00:43:57,780 --> 00:44:00,340 We were shown to a room, very much like this one, 789 00:44:00,340 --> 00:44:02,213 by the solicitor who disappeared. 790 00:44:04,060 --> 00:44:06,950 Then came back with, it wasn't really an envelope, 791 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:08,850 it was like a pack. 792 00:44:08,850 --> 00:44:10,900 In fact, Radcliffe thought 793 00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:12,840 he knew from his own research 794 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,083 who was behind Erie International. 795 00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,210 But would he be proved right? 796 00:44:18,210 --> 00:44:19,623 It was quite dramatic. 797 00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:24,020 We had no idea what was in this envelope, 798 00:44:24,020 --> 00:44:26,713 I mean, possibly there was nothing. 799 00:44:28,060 --> 00:44:28,930 I had made a joke, 800 00:44:28,930 --> 00:44:31,420 I hope the rats hadn't eaten the contents. 801 00:44:31,420 --> 00:44:33,700 Or there could just be a piece of paper saying 802 00:44:33,700 --> 00:44:36,493 Mickey Mouse or something, stupid like that. 803 00:44:37,490 --> 00:44:40,350 Quite a possibility that when you open the envelope 804 00:44:40,350 --> 00:44:44,809 you find a note in it saying, "Take a running jump," 805 00:44:44,809 --> 00:44:46,773 (laughs) or something of that sort. 806 00:44:49,130 --> 00:44:52,250 So we proceeded to open this envelope 807 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:53,430 and it was really covered 808 00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:56,970 in various layers of plastic sheets, 809 00:44:56,970 --> 00:45:00,840 until we reached some sort of, there were two postcards, 810 00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:04,060 basically stuck to one another. 811 00:45:04,060 --> 00:45:06,133 I think they were from Australia. 812 00:45:07,070 --> 00:45:09,860 And we looked inside the two postcards, 813 00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:14,230 which were sort of, stuck together with tape, 814 00:45:14,230 --> 00:45:15,650 and we couldn't see anything inside, 815 00:45:15,650 --> 00:45:17,687 so we thought, "That was it, that's it. 816 00:45:17,687 --> 00:45:21,090 "There's nothing in there, it was a con." 817 00:45:21,090 --> 00:45:24,100 Eventually we found that stuck to one of the postcards, 818 00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:27,290 was yet another piece of paper and behind that 819 00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:30,390 another piece of paper and until at the very end we found 820 00:45:30,390 --> 00:45:31,643 the actual declaration. 821 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,240 I already had the signature in my left hand 822 00:45:36,240 --> 00:45:38,510 and as we opened the document... 823 00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:44,043 It was the same signature. 824 00:45:45,310 --> 00:45:47,893 There was the same signature on my right hand. 825 00:45:49,620 --> 00:45:51,623 Someone called Robert Mardirosian. 826 00:45:53,653 --> 00:45:56,191 (clock chiming) 827 00:45:56,191 --> 00:45:58,083 I thought QED. (laughs) 828 00:46:03,985 --> 00:46:05,460 You can take a seat please. 829 00:46:05,460 --> 00:46:07,680 So Robert Mardirosian, 830 00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,150 the defense lawyer nearly 30 years earlier 831 00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:13,140 for the prime suspect, David Colvin 832 00:46:13,140 --> 00:46:15,083 had the paintings all along. 833 00:46:16,660 --> 00:46:18,660 How could that of happened? 834 00:46:18,660 --> 00:46:22,230 In Boston, it wasn't long before the media tracked down 835 00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:25,223 Robert Mardirosian to get his side of the story. 836 00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,660 Made a phone call 8:30 in the morning 837 00:46:28,660 --> 00:46:29,630 and Bob was asleep, 838 00:46:29,630 --> 00:46:32,019 his wife answers the phone and I heard her whisper, 839 00:46:32,019 --> 00:46:35,130 "Bob it's Steve Kurkjein from The Boston Globe." 840 00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:37,573 And I said, "Hi Steve how you doing? 841 00:46:37,573 --> 00:46:40,467 "Fine, Bob your name came up in court as you probably know. 842 00:46:40,467 --> 00:46:42,340 "I know what's going to happen today Steve." 843 00:46:42,340 --> 00:46:43,789 And I said to him, 844 00:46:43,789 --> 00:46:46,920 "Bob, this is bad, this really bad Bob." 845 00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:51,876 And he said, "What can I do Steve?" 846 00:46:51,876 --> 00:46:52,747 And I said, "You can tell me, 847 00:46:52,747 --> 00:46:54,437 "how you got possession of the paintings, 848 00:46:54,437 --> 00:46:55,537 "what happened here?" 849 00:46:56,487 --> 00:46:57,430 [Robert Voiceover] Well I was representing a fellow-- 850 00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:58,640 Robert Mardirosian 851 00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,310 began to tell Steve Kurkjein 852 00:47:00,310 --> 00:47:03,010 his version of how he came by the paintings 853 00:47:03,010 --> 00:47:05,123 and why he'd hung onto them for so long. 854 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,800 It went for about an hour and that's when he told me 855 00:47:08,800 --> 00:47:11,770 exactly how he'd gotten possession of the paintings, 856 00:47:11,770 --> 00:47:14,893 how David Colvin had walked into his office, 857 00:47:16,010 --> 00:47:19,719 probably less than two months after the theft. 858 00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,552 (easy jazz music) 859 00:47:23,690 --> 00:47:25,300 The theft in millions of dollars 860 00:47:25,300 --> 00:47:27,500 in artwork form a Stockbridge man, 861 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:29,310 Michael Bakwin, 28 years ago-- 862 00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:31,870 As well as talking to The Boston Globe, 863 00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:34,133 Mardirosian also went on local radio. 864 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,010 Joining us on the line right now, 865 00:47:37,010 --> 00:47:40,450 is Robert Mardirosian, good morning Mr. Mardirosian, 866 00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:42,370 and thanks very much for speaking with us. 867 00:47:42,370 --> 00:47:43,310 That's okay. 868 00:47:43,310 --> 00:47:44,700 Tell us how you came into 869 00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:46,550 possession of the pictures. 870 00:47:46,550 --> 00:47:48,490 Well I was representing a fellow 871 00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:51,360 named Colvin who apparently took these paintings 872 00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,800 but I was representing him on another case 873 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,480 in the federal court, came into my office to talk with me 874 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,080 about the case we were going in on the next morning. 875 00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:02,460 Mardirosian said Colvin 876 00:48:02,460 --> 00:48:04,323 was carrying a large bag. 877 00:48:06,010 --> 00:48:09,320 In my mind, it's a black plastic bag that's, 878 00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:12,730 Bob Mardirosian says, no idea what's in the plastic bag. 879 00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:14,600 By the time he came in he had this bag 880 00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:15,932 full of paintings. 881 00:48:15,932 --> 00:48:17,240 And he asked Colvin what's in the plastic bag, 882 00:48:17,240 --> 00:48:19,977 Colvin says, "Oh I got a bunch of stolen paintings, 883 00:48:19,977 --> 00:48:21,597 "I'm bringing them down to Miami, 884 00:48:21,597 --> 00:48:22,490 "and I'm gonna fence 'em." 885 00:48:22,490 --> 00:48:23,650 And he's telling me 886 00:48:23,650 --> 00:48:27,500 he's already sold them or fenced them, in Florida. 887 00:48:27,500 --> 00:48:29,867 I told him David, "If you get caught 888 00:48:29,867 --> 00:48:31,347 "with stolen paintings, 889 00:48:31,347 --> 00:48:33,437 "it's gonna make my defense of you on this 890 00:48:33,437 --> 00:48:35,680 "gun charge that much more difficult." 891 00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:36,513 And I said to him, 892 00:48:36,513 --> 00:48:39,560 "You've got this case going here, that we're involved in." 893 00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:40,393 If you get caught 894 00:48:40,393 --> 00:48:41,770 it's really gonna hurt your case 895 00:48:41,770 --> 00:48:42,840 that I'm defending you on. 896 00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:44,390 You know you might get caught, 897 00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:47,337 it's gonna basically telling him, 898 00:48:47,337 --> 00:48:49,690 you know, you shouldn't be doing that. 899 00:48:49,690 --> 00:48:52,240 And that's his only conversation 900 00:48:52,240 --> 00:48:55,160 that he has with Colvin about the paintings. 901 00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:56,810 And then he didn't have a place 902 00:48:56,810 --> 00:48:57,643 to sleep that night. 903 00:48:57,643 --> 00:49:00,970 So I had another office in another building. 904 00:49:00,970 --> 00:49:02,460 And there was an attic in the building. 905 00:49:02,460 --> 00:49:04,757 And there was a little room up there. 906 00:49:04,757 --> 00:49:06,310 And so he went up there. 907 00:49:06,310 --> 00:49:09,640 Colvin brought the bag with him, and that was the last 908 00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,633 he saw of the bag, that's the last he saw of the paintings. 909 00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:14,410 Next day we went in. 910 00:49:14,410 --> 00:49:15,633 We had our court thing. 911 00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:20,990 Maybe six months after I saw him, he'd been shot. 912 00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:22,650 (gun firing) 913 00:49:22,650 --> 00:49:24,883 And he's dead? He's dead okay. 914 00:49:27,990 --> 00:49:29,470 About a year later 915 00:49:29,470 --> 00:49:31,030 I go up into this attic 916 00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:33,300 because there were some pigeons and stuff up there, 917 00:49:33,300 --> 00:49:35,870 then I see this bag of paintings. 918 00:49:35,870 --> 00:49:37,407 He said, "I knew right away 919 00:49:37,407 --> 00:49:38,517 "without even opening it 920 00:49:38,517 --> 00:49:40,167 "that's Colvin's plastic bag. 921 00:49:40,167 --> 00:49:41,650 "He had left them here." 922 00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:45,660 And opened it up, and sure enough, there were the paintings. 923 00:49:45,660 --> 00:49:47,420 Well the first thought that comes to me is 924 00:49:48,446 --> 00:49:50,260 you know I can return these paintings 925 00:49:50,260 --> 00:49:51,330 and get a reward for it. 926 00:49:51,330 --> 00:49:52,280 That's very common. 927 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:54,650 That's very normal and there's no problem with that. 928 00:49:54,650 --> 00:49:57,640 He didn't know if the paintings had been insured, 929 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,150 and whether or not Mr. Bakwin had recovered 930 00:50:01,150 --> 00:50:04,850 the insurance money and if in fact the paintings belonged 931 00:50:04,850 --> 00:50:06,503 to the insurance company. 932 00:50:06,503 --> 00:50:09,503 (upbeat jazz music) 933 00:50:12,860 --> 00:50:15,540 So Mardirosian decided to move the paintings 934 00:50:15,540 --> 00:50:18,643 around the world, supposedly for safe keeping. 935 00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:21,720 He said he hoped to find a way of returning them 936 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:24,280 to Michael Bakwin for a finder's fee, 937 00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:26,223 say 10% of their value. 938 00:50:27,550 --> 00:50:30,190 First of all, he shipped the paintings out of America 939 00:50:30,190 --> 00:50:31,893 to Europe by container. 940 00:50:34,780 --> 00:50:35,850 The haul of paintings, 941 00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:38,730 probably arrived first in the Mediterranean, 942 00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:41,857 possibly Monaco, famously called, 943 00:50:41,857 --> 00:50:44,307 "A sunny place for shady people." 944 00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:50,540 They probably stayed here in southern Europe 945 00:50:50,540 --> 00:50:53,350 until they were moved onto their final resting place, 946 00:50:53,350 --> 00:50:56,793 over the Alps into Switzerland and into a bank vault. 947 00:50:57,690 --> 00:50:59,600 They never went near Russia. 948 00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:02,590 The whole Russian negotiating tactic 949 00:51:02,590 --> 00:51:05,830 was to make it difficult for us to trace 950 00:51:05,830 --> 00:51:07,820 and maybe we'd be too frightened, 951 00:51:07,820 --> 00:51:12,700 to try and trace in Russia which was then a cowboy country, 952 00:51:12,700 --> 00:51:13,540 to try and trace 953 00:51:13,540 --> 00:51:15,490 who the people really were behind this. 954 00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:19,130 Difficult questions now arose 955 00:51:19,130 --> 00:51:21,020 for Robert Mardirosian. 956 00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:22,370 Mr. Mardirosian, 957 00:51:22,370 --> 00:51:24,930 why didn't you just return the paintings 958 00:51:24,930 --> 00:51:26,650 instead of trying to profit from it? 959 00:51:26,650 --> 00:51:29,860 I mean, these were stolen artworks. 960 00:51:29,860 --> 00:51:30,970 Well first of all, 961 00:51:30,970 --> 00:51:32,840 I didn't know who had ownership of them 962 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,400 and I wanted to get a reward for them. 963 00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:36,240 Isn't that extortion? 964 00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:39,123 No, no I don't think it is. 965 00:51:39,980 --> 00:51:43,220 Well look if that's the story, that's what it is. 966 00:51:43,220 --> 00:51:46,050 Those things could of been sold or fenced, a 100 times-- 967 00:51:46,050 --> 00:51:48,700 Do you regret taking all this time? 968 00:51:48,700 --> 00:51:50,349 Obviously there are 969 00:51:50,349 --> 00:51:51,331 a lot of things I should of done, 970 00:51:51,331 --> 00:51:52,164 I didn't do. 971 00:51:52,164 --> 00:51:55,400 But the main thing is where did it go, where did it end up? 972 00:51:55,400 --> 00:51:57,770 They were on their way to Florida some place, 973 00:51:57,770 --> 00:52:00,213 if it were not for me, Bob Mardirosian, 974 00:52:01,986 --> 00:52:05,780 Bakwin would not of had that particular painting back 975 00:52:05,780 --> 00:52:08,367 and he would be out 30 million dollars. 976 00:52:08,367 --> 00:52:11,367 (upbeat jazz music) 977 00:52:14,290 --> 00:52:17,050 The irony is, that Robert Mardirosian 978 00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:21,900 gave up the law years ago, to become a painter and sculptor. 979 00:52:21,900 --> 00:52:24,710 He's now working under the name Romard 980 00:52:24,710 --> 00:52:27,110 and thought to be living in the south of France. 981 00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:31,130 The FBI are still interested in his role 982 00:52:31,130 --> 00:52:32,670 in the disappearance of the paintings, 983 00:52:32,670 --> 00:52:34,083 nearly 30 years ago. 984 00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:38,060 And Michael Bakwin and his advisors, 985 00:52:38,060 --> 00:52:39,893 still have some scores to settle. 986 00:52:43,070 --> 00:52:44,870 He is to pay me my expenses, 987 00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:46,570 which have been quite substantial, 988 00:52:47,860 --> 00:52:49,333 and three million dollars. 989 00:52:50,900 --> 00:52:53,110 Julian is again, very confidently 990 00:52:53,110 --> 00:52:54,751 that we will get quite 991 00:52:54,751 --> 00:52:56,771 a bit of this, I am not. 992 00:52:56,771 --> 00:52:59,970 (clock ticking) 993 00:52:59,970 --> 00:53:02,090 The lesson that will go out to everybody is, 994 00:53:02,090 --> 00:53:03,910 it doesn't matter whether you steal on pictures 995 00:53:03,910 --> 00:53:06,420 for 10 years or 30 years, 996 00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:08,340 if you try and sell stolen pictures, 997 00:53:08,340 --> 00:53:09,550 you will be caught, 998 00:53:09,550 --> 00:53:12,493 and therefore it's not worth stealing pictures. 999 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,140 In the summer of 2006, 1000 00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:21,010 four of Michael Bakwin's paintings 1001 00:53:21,010 --> 00:53:23,740 were still being held by Sotheby's in London 1002 00:53:23,740 --> 00:53:25,620 awaiting a court order to release them 1003 00:53:25,620 --> 00:53:26,733 to the rightful owner. 1004 00:53:29,090 --> 00:53:31,223 And two, are still missing. 1005 00:53:32,860 --> 00:53:35,960 According to Michael Bakwin who as young man, 1006 00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:40,050 dreamed of owning a very particular painting by Cezanne, 1007 00:53:40,050 --> 00:53:42,813 there is a moral to this 30 year long tale. 1008 00:53:45,520 --> 00:53:48,170 I no longer am that much interested in possessions, 1009 00:53:49,700 --> 00:53:52,570 I know my second youngest daughter always used to think 1010 00:53:52,570 --> 00:53:54,090 that she liked the best about me is that 1011 00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:56,810 I could afford a Mercedes but never had one. 1012 00:53:56,810 --> 00:53:58,890 I didn't care about that kind of thing very much. 1013 00:53:58,890 --> 00:53:59,723 Unless I thought it was 1014 00:53:59,723 --> 00:54:01,120 the most beautiful thing in the world to have 1015 00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:02,030 flew around with. 1016 00:54:02,030 --> 00:54:04,590 And didn't care that much but they're too damn expensive, 1017 00:54:04,590 --> 00:54:07,040 just like these paintings are too damn expensive. 1018 00:54:13,031 --> 00:54:16,031 (suspenseful music) 79129

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