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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:00,675 --> 00:00:02,760 (dramatic music) 2 00:00:02,760 --> 00:00:04,640 It's the most important question 3 00:00:04,640 --> 00:00:07,120 in the world wide art market. 4 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,873 Is it genuine, or is it fake? 5 00:00:11,550 --> 00:00:14,470 When a forgery is passed off as the real thing, 6 00:00:14,470 --> 00:00:17,763 there are fortunes to be made and lost. 7 00:00:19,150 --> 00:00:23,143 For nearly a decade two Englishmen did just that. 8 00:00:24,310 --> 00:00:28,270 Between them they produced hundreds of modern masterpieces, 9 00:00:28,270 --> 00:00:32,533 and plundered major art archives to fake their prominence. 10 00:00:33,390 --> 00:00:37,310 Their activities literally changed art history. 11 00:00:37,310 --> 00:00:38,950 It was one of the greatest frauds 12 00:00:38,950 --> 00:00:41,450 the art world has ever seen. 13 00:00:41,450 --> 00:00:44,796 How on Earth did they get away with it for so long? 14 00:00:44,796 --> 00:00:47,546 (dramatic music) 15 00:00:54,432 --> 00:00:57,432 (suspenseful music) 16 00:01:07,300 --> 00:01:10,680 Fall of 1995, out of the blue, 17 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:12,650 a woman telephones Scotland Yard 18 00:01:12,650 --> 00:01:15,503 with damning information about her former partner. 19 00:01:17,690 --> 00:01:19,180 It wasn't the first time in my career 20 00:01:19,180 --> 00:01:22,483 that one received such a call from the woman scorned. 21 00:01:23,770 --> 00:01:27,090 Here was somebody who was clearly very upset 22 00:01:27,090 --> 00:01:30,000 at the breakup of her relationship, 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,290 who had, in her words, a considerable amount of evidence 24 00:01:33,290 --> 00:01:37,350 to show that her husband, as she referred to him, 25 00:01:37,350 --> 00:01:39,380 had been involved in considerable 26 00:01:39,380 --> 00:01:41,760 criminal activity in the art market, 27 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:45,002 and had been orchestrating a major fraud. 28 00:01:45,002 --> 00:01:47,490 (dramatic music) 29 00:01:47,490 --> 00:01:49,360 Dick Ellis and another detective 30 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,070 in the Yard and Antique Squad, met the woman 31 00:01:52,070 --> 00:01:55,923 at her local police station on October 5, 1995. 32 00:01:56,790 --> 00:01:58,713 Her name was Bat-Sheva Goudsmid. 33 00:02:00,810 --> 00:02:02,280 The two of us went and interviewed her, 34 00:02:02,280 --> 00:02:05,320 first of all, upstairs in the police station. 35 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,460 The bizarre story she told police 36 00:02:09,460 --> 00:02:12,793 uncovered a fraud that had been going on for eight years. 37 00:02:14,470 --> 00:02:16,393 But Goudsmid had more damning evidence 38 00:02:16,393 --> 00:02:19,780 than the two detectives could've dreamt of. 39 00:02:19,780 --> 00:02:21,037 And then she said, 40 00:02:21,037 --> 00:02:23,847 "I've got quite a lot of exhibits for you." 41 00:02:25,240 --> 00:02:27,760 She invited Jonathan and I to go around 42 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:32,663 to a street in Hampstead where, in fact, a car was parked. 43 00:02:33,970 --> 00:02:35,700 And out of the boot of that car, 44 00:02:35,700 --> 00:02:39,913 she then produced several bin liner full of papers. 45 00:02:41,160 --> 00:02:43,193 It was like in Aladdin's cave. 46 00:02:44,980 --> 00:02:46,230 Without those bin liners, 47 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:50,222 we would've had very little evidence to go on. 48 00:02:50,222 --> 00:02:51,940 (gentle music) 49 00:02:51,940 --> 00:02:53,500 The trash bags contained 50 00:02:53,500 --> 00:02:56,383 photographs, catalogs, and bills of sale. 51 00:02:57,220 --> 00:02:59,940 It wasn't certain what it all meant, 52 00:02:59,940 --> 00:03:01,550 but as Scotland Yard detectives 53 00:03:01,550 --> 00:03:05,900 began sifting through the material, one thing became clear. 54 00:03:05,900 --> 00:03:08,840 Somewhere in these trash bags was the key 55 00:03:08,840 --> 00:03:10,610 to one of the most extraordinary 56 00:03:10,610 --> 00:03:14,163 and audacious scams the art world had ever seen. 57 00:03:16,500 --> 00:03:18,830 And this was the man behind it, 58 00:03:18,830 --> 00:03:21,720 an Englishman called John Drewe. 59 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:25,590 We very quickly formed an idea of John Drewe, 60 00:03:25,590 --> 00:03:27,850 that he was an extremely intelligent 61 00:03:27,850 --> 00:03:32,137 and deep thinking fraudsman. 62 00:03:33,536 --> 00:03:36,480 (gentle music) 63 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:39,740 This story goes back to the late 1970s, 64 00:03:39,740 --> 00:03:42,963 when London was the center of a thriving music industry. 65 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,770 Soho was a magnet to anyone 66 00:03:45,770 --> 00:03:48,520 who thought they had the talent for writing a hit song. 67 00:03:49,910 --> 00:03:52,370 One of them was a former art student 68 00:03:52,370 --> 00:03:55,414 and budding composer called John Myatt. 69 00:03:55,414 --> 00:03:58,070 (upbeat piano music) 70 00:03:58,070 --> 00:04:00,450 Myatt was taken on by a record company 71 00:04:00,450 --> 00:04:02,360 and was quite successful. 72 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:05,730 He had a hit single called, "Silly Games". 73 00:04:05,730 --> 00:04:07,980 Everything seemed to be going well. 74 00:04:07,980 --> 00:04:10,650 Then one day, the man who ran the business 75 00:04:10,650 --> 00:04:12,553 arrived at work with a problem. 76 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,880 My boss at Studio Records 77 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:21,120 had been out to dinner with Marcus Sieff. 78 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:22,607 This Marcus Sieff actually owned 79 00:04:22,607 --> 00:04:24,157 the whole of Marks & Spencer's. 80 00:04:27,140 --> 00:04:29,097 He came back the next time time he said, "Oh, god." 81 00:04:29,097 --> 00:04:30,457 "I've seen these fantastic paintings 82 00:04:30,457 --> 00:04:32,851 "by this artist called Raoul Dufy." 83 00:04:32,851 --> 00:04:34,510 (dramatic music) 84 00:04:34,510 --> 00:04:37,330 This Marcus Sieff he's paid $90,000 for this one, 85 00:04:37,330 --> 00:04:38,997 and $60,000 for the other, brilliant!" 86 00:04:38,997 --> 00:04:40,580 "I wish I'd got something like that." 87 00:04:40,580 --> 00:04:41,910 I just happened to hear it. 88 00:04:41,910 --> 00:04:43,787 I said, "Well, I could do that, Dick. 89 00:04:43,787 --> 00:04:47,400 "Why don't you just let me do them, a couple of Dufys?" 90 00:04:47,400 --> 00:04:49,750 So we went out, in the art shops, 91 00:04:49,750 --> 00:04:50,877 got anything with Dufy on it. 92 00:04:50,877 --> 00:04:52,587 "Well, that's nice, and that's nice. 93 00:04:52,587 --> 00:04:54,381 "Oh, quite like that." 94 00:04:54,381 --> 00:04:55,237 He said, "Well, they've gotta be bigger 95 00:04:55,237 --> 00:04:56,953 "than Marcus Sieff's." 96 00:04:59,819 --> 00:05:01,887 So I said, "Well, 250 each then." 97 00:05:03,070 --> 00:05:06,270 Looking back on them, I mean, they were not very good, 98 00:05:06,270 --> 00:05:08,140 but they were good enough. 99 00:05:08,140 --> 00:05:09,970 He paid me 500 pounds for the paintings, 100 00:05:09,970 --> 00:05:11,690 and then he went out and spent 600 pounds 101 00:05:11,690 --> 00:05:14,153 each on the frames, and they hung them up. 102 00:05:15,700 --> 00:05:16,820 As you went in, you saw these 103 00:05:16,820 --> 00:05:18,940 gigantic Dufys over the fireplace, 104 00:05:18,940 --> 00:05:21,570 and, of course, when Marcus and Lady Sieff come back, 105 00:05:21,570 --> 00:05:23,510 they walk in through the door. 106 00:05:23,510 --> 00:05:25,313 It's like my Dufys are bigger than your Dufys, 107 00:05:25,313 --> 00:05:27,453 and no one had said anything about it. 108 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,430 Dick was sort of excited because really, I mean, 109 00:05:31,430 --> 00:05:33,828 he could've easily spent 200,000 pounds on these paintings 110 00:05:33,828 --> 00:05:36,564 when in fact he got them for 500 quid, plus the frame. 111 00:05:36,564 --> 00:05:39,147 (gentle music) 112 00:05:41,160 --> 00:05:43,470 John Myatt had been to art school, 113 00:05:43,470 --> 00:05:46,053 but this was the start of a new career. 114 00:05:47,020 --> 00:05:48,700 He set himself up in business 115 00:05:48,700 --> 00:05:51,645 as a legitimate forger of the modern masters. 116 00:05:51,645 --> 00:05:52,478 I just thought, "I can do this. 117 00:05:52,478 --> 00:05:54,717 "It's genuine fakes, it's a good idea. 118 00:05:54,717 --> 00:05:55,697 "Where can I put the advert on? 119 00:05:55,697 --> 00:05:57,167 "What kind of people are gonna be interested 120 00:05:57,167 --> 00:05:58,940 "in this kind of thing? 121 00:05:58,940 --> 00:06:01,340 I'd always vaguely sort of read "Private Eye", 122 00:06:01,340 --> 00:06:03,790 and I thought, "Well, 'Private Eye's' the place." 123 00:06:05,457 --> 00:06:07,680 "Private Eye" is a small circulation 124 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:12,000 satirical magazine, with a caustic sense of humor. 125 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,948 Myatt thought its readers might be the perfect clients. 126 00:06:14,948 --> 00:06:16,540 I think all together I put out three adverts, 127 00:06:16,540 --> 00:06:21,540 maybe four in, and it got a good response. 128 00:06:21,978 --> 00:06:23,040 (dramatic music) 129 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,090 (birds chirping) 130 00:06:24,090 --> 00:06:26,170 It was not long before he received 131 00:06:26,170 --> 00:06:29,593 a telephone call from a man who would change his life. 132 00:06:31,310 --> 00:06:33,070 The first phone call John Drewe ever made to me 133 00:06:33,070 --> 00:06:34,830 was exactly the same as the first phone call 134 00:06:34,830 --> 00:06:35,663 that anybody else would. 135 00:06:35,663 --> 00:06:38,367 "Hello, I've seen your advert in "Private Eye", 136 00:06:38,367 --> 00:06:39,727 "are you interested in a familiar 137 00:06:39,727 --> 00:06:40,850 "with an artist called Matisse?" 138 00:06:40,850 --> 00:06:42,557 Well, of course I was, "Yes." 139 00:06:44,037 --> 00:06:46,977 "I'd be interested in a painting by Matisse." 140 00:06:46,977 --> 00:06:47,810 "Who are you?" 141 00:06:47,810 --> 00:06:50,300 He said, "Oh, my name is Professor Drewe." 142 00:06:50,300 --> 00:06:52,797 I said, "There was a painting by Matisse in my book, 143 00:06:52,797 --> 00:06:54,510 "I think it was called "The Pink Room" or something, 144 00:06:54,510 --> 00:06:56,027 "does that sound alright to you? 145 00:06:56,027 --> 00:06:56,939 "Yes," he said, "that's good. 146 00:06:56,939 --> 00:06:58,158 "It's a present for my wife." 147 00:06:58,158 --> 00:07:00,908 (birds chirping) 148 00:07:01,950 --> 00:07:05,060 John Myatt lives in The Midlands of England. 149 00:07:05,060 --> 00:07:07,850 It didn't take him long to complete his first commission 150 00:07:07,850 --> 00:07:09,909 for the mysterious Professor Drewe. 151 00:07:09,909 --> 00:07:11,560 (dramatic music) 152 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:14,930 A few days later, he drove to his local railway station, 153 00:07:14,930 --> 00:07:16,550 and caught a train to London, 154 00:07:16,550 --> 00:07:19,575 to deliver his fake Matisse to his new client. 155 00:07:19,575 --> 00:07:22,950 (dramatic music) 156 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:26,040 He said, "I'll be standing at the top of the platform," 157 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,680 whatever it would be, at Euston Station, 158 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,117 and I said, "Well, you'll recognize me 159 00:07:29,117 --> 00:07:31,417 "because I'll be the man carrying a painting." 160 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:34,710 The very first time we met, 161 00:07:34,710 --> 00:07:37,280 we went to a little coffee shop in Euston, 162 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:40,065 and he gave me a check, and I went home. 163 00:07:40,065 --> 00:07:43,331 (birds chirping) 164 00:07:43,331 --> 00:07:45,760 (gentle music) 165 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:47,890 At the time, Myatt was making a living 166 00:07:47,890 --> 00:07:50,270 as a part-time art teacher. 167 00:07:50,270 --> 00:07:51,830 His marriage had broken up, 168 00:07:51,830 --> 00:07:54,143 and he was taking care of two small children. 169 00:07:55,510 --> 00:07:56,695 You know, when a thing like that's happened, 170 00:07:56,695 --> 00:07:57,767 the mom has just walked off, 171 00:07:57,767 --> 00:08:01,380 you really do close up into a very tight unit. 172 00:08:01,380 --> 00:08:02,730 It's just the three of you, 173 00:08:03,970 --> 00:08:06,850 and bedtime stories, romping around, 174 00:08:06,850 --> 00:08:08,573 pillow fights and all that, it was great! 175 00:08:08,573 --> 00:08:10,859 I mean, looking back on it, I loved it. 176 00:08:10,859 --> 00:08:13,442 (gentle music) 177 00:08:16,050 --> 00:08:18,510 Working at home, painting his genuine fakes 178 00:08:18,510 --> 00:08:19,953 suited the single father. 179 00:08:21,100 --> 00:08:23,550 Drewe became a lucrative client, 180 00:08:23,550 --> 00:08:25,323 and Myatt grew to like him. 181 00:08:26,600 --> 00:08:27,540 I thought he was very different 182 00:08:27,540 --> 00:08:29,140 from anybody else I'd met before. 183 00:08:29,140 --> 00:08:30,610 He was something else altogether. 184 00:08:30,610 --> 00:08:31,790 He was kind of mysterious, 185 00:08:31,790 --> 00:08:36,223 and intriguing, and exciting. 186 00:08:40,580 --> 00:08:41,640 Every few weeks, 187 00:08:41,640 --> 00:08:43,630 Myatt would take the train to London 188 00:08:43,630 --> 00:08:46,360 to deliver another of his genuine fakes 189 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,393 to his seemingly wealthy and influential buyer. 190 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:54,250 John Myatt was soon taking the subway out to the affluent 191 00:08:54,250 --> 00:08:57,283 London suburb where Professor Drewe lived. 192 00:08:58,290 --> 00:09:00,100 By say, the fifth time I'd met him, 193 00:09:00,100 --> 00:09:02,470 we were driving off to his house, 194 00:09:02,470 --> 00:09:05,450 and there I'd meet his wife. 195 00:09:05,450 --> 00:09:08,970 Then, occasionally, we'd drop off somewhere in Hampstead 196 00:09:08,970 --> 00:09:10,620 and pick up the two children from school, 197 00:09:10,620 --> 00:09:13,690 so by the sixth time I was seeing John, 198 00:09:13,690 --> 00:09:15,983 I was actually meeting his family as well. 199 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,760 It just kind of grew slowly, 200 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,574 so that everybody got to know everybody else. 201 00:09:20,574 --> 00:09:22,890 (gentle music) 202 00:09:22,890 --> 00:09:24,430 Two years passed, 203 00:09:24,430 --> 00:09:28,190 during which Drewe bought a dozen paintings from Myatt. 204 00:09:28,190 --> 00:09:30,890 Then, just when Myatt thought the relationship 205 00:09:30,890 --> 00:09:33,320 with his patron was finally over, 206 00:09:33,320 --> 00:09:35,473 Drewe had a surprising request. 207 00:09:38,150 --> 00:09:41,240 At the end of the painting number 12 or number 13, 208 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,284 he said to me, "Well, what would you like to do?" 209 00:09:44,284 --> 00:09:47,070 (chuckles) It was unheard of for a customer do that. 210 00:09:48,010 --> 00:09:50,127 So I said, "Well, I've always like Cubist paintings, 211 00:09:50,127 --> 00:09:51,123 "I love Cubism. 212 00:09:52,897 --> 00:09:54,069 "Maybe I'll just do something like that. 213 00:09:54,069 --> 00:09:57,267 He said, "Okay, in your own time, very nice. 214 00:09:57,267 --> 00:09:59,200 "Off you go, same money." 215 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:00,087 So I flipped through an art book, 216 00:10:00,087 --> 00:10:02,933 and I found a drawing, a Cubist drawing. 217 00:10:03,940 --> 00:10:05,207 I thought, "Well, I'll turn this into a painting, 218 00:10:05,207 --> 00:10:06,780 "I know how to do this." 219 00:10:06,780 --> 00:10:09,100 On the dining room table that night, 220 00:10:09,100 --> 00:10:10,930 I, as they say, knocked up 221 00:10:12,230 --> 00:10:14,286 a small Cubist's work by Albert Gleizes. 222 00:10:14,286 --> 00:10:16,953 (ominous music) 223 00:10:18,960 --> 00:10:20,950 That time I left there wasn't another commission, 224 00:10:20,950 --> 00:10:23,287 and I got back on the train and I thought, "Well that's it. 225 00:10:23,287 --> 00:10:25,197 "That's goodbye, Professor Drewe." 226 00:10:26,708 --> 00:10:29,541 I won't be hearing from him again. 227 00:10:30,407 --> 00:10:33,030 A couple of weeks later, maybe sooner the phone rang, 228 00:10:33,030 --> 00:10:35,387 and he said, "John, you know that painting 229 00:10:35,387 --> 00:10:37,830 "by Albert Gleizes that you did for me?" 230 00:10:37,830 --> 00:10:39,230 I said, "Yes, John." 231 00:10:39,230 --> 00:10:40,917 He said, "Well, I've just taken that into 232 00:10:40,917 --> 00:10:41,750 "Christie's and Sotheby's 233 00:10:41,750 --> 00:10:44,049 "and they think it's worth 25,000 pounds. 234 00:10:44,049 --> 00:10:47,127 (dramatic music) 235 00:10:47,127 --> 00:10:50,987 "Are you interested in going halves with me 236 00:10:50,987 --> 00:10:54,807 "and having 12,000 pounds cash?" 237 00:10:56,348 --> 00:10:59,330 That's when I made my big mistake really. 238 00:10:59,330 --> 00:11:03,253 Because, I mean, I didn't even stop and think about it. 239 00:11:03,253 --> 00:11:05,864 (dramatic music) 240 00:11:05,864 --> 00:11:09,070 I just thought 12,000 pounds as far as I was concerned 241 00:11:09,070 --> 00:11:11,283 was just the answer to so many problems. 242 00:11:13,370 --> 00:11:16,143 The three of us could really do with that, 243 00:11:17,540 --> 00:11:21,284 so I said, "Yeah, I'll do it, yes." 244 00:11:21,284 --> 00:11:24,040 (ominous music) 245 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,613 I think, if we'd of stopped at that, 246 00:11:25,613 --> 00:11:27,183 that would just had been an episode in my life 247 00:11:27,183 --> 00:11:29,963 that I probably would just have buried and forgotten about. 248 00:11:31,640 --> 00:11:33,080 But for some reason or other, 249 00:11:33,080 --> 00:11:37,080 I was sort of dissatisfied with the way my life was. 250 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:39,490 You get to that stage when you're old, 251 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:41,377 I'd be about 40 then, you sort of think, 252 00:11:41,377 --> 00:11:42,617 "Well is this all there is? 253 00:11:42,617 --> 00:11:43,450 "Is this it?" 254 00:11:44,510 --> 00:11:46,559 But in terms of what I was making with my life, 255 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:48,380 I just felt as though the whole thing had fallen flat 256 00:11:48,380 --> 00:11:49,480 and was going nowhere. 257 00:11:50,771 --> 00:11:52,220 (gentle dramatic music) 258 00:11:52,220 --> 00:11:54,470 Like it or not, John Myatt 259 00:11:54,470 --> 00:11:57,433 had allowed himself to be trapped by John Drewe. 260 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:03,037 John Myatt came over as a very likable man, 261 00:12:04,910 --> 00:12:07,750 who seemed to have been suckered into this 262 00:12:07,750 --> 00:12:11,744 by John Drewe at a vulnerable time in his life. 263 00:12:11,744 --> 00:12:12,577 Myatt's just a mark. 264 00:12:12,577 --> 00:12:13,480 Myatt was the tool. 265 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,330 Myatt was nothing more than a hammer. 266 00:12:16,450 --> 00:12:17,490 You know, to pound the nail. 267 00:12:17,490 --> 00:12:19,510 I think John Myatt was probably being groomed 268 00:12:19,510 --> 00:12:22,859 from the first order that John Drewe made of him. 269 00:12:22,859 --> 00:12:24,340 (gentle music) 270 00:12:24,340 --> 00:12:26,070 From his country retreat, 271 00:12:26,070 --> 00:12:30,030 John Myatt had now embarked on a life of crime. 272 00:12:30,030 --> 00:12:32,020 Giacometti was next. 273 00:12:32,020 --> 00:12:34,270 It was an obvious choice. 274 00:12:34,270 --> 00:12:36,280 Giacometti had been one of John Myatt's 275 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:38,420 favorite painters since art school. 276 00:12:38,420 --> 00:12:40,790 He used rapid movements of the pencil, 277 00:12:40,790 --> 00:12:42,435 almost like a skeleton. 278 00:12:42,435 --> 00:12:44,800 (lighthearted music) 279 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:47,130 He wrote in his book that as he worked, 280 00:12:47,130 --> 00:12:48,600 the figure would sort of elongate 281 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:50,250 and get bigger, and get taller, and taller, 282 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:53,309 sort of that it would stretch out a bit more. 283 00:12:53,309 --> 00:12:56,450 (lighthearted music) 284 00:12:56,450 --> 00:12:58,450 People became like stick insects, really. 285 00:12:58,450 --> 00:12:59,303 Very thin. 286 00:13:00,190 --> 00:13:03,470 They'd usually have some kind of sense of a figure 287 00:13:03,470 --> 00:13:07,430 actually standing in sort of space. 288 00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:10,400 And that's largely how he drew. 289 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,270 And when you've got that far into it, 290 00:13:13,270 --> 00:13:15,001 you're then ready to start a painting. 291 00:13:15,001 --> 00:13:17,287 (dark ambient music) 292 00:13:17,287 --> 00:13:19,310 I was so insulated from the fact 293 00:13:19,310 --> 00:13:21,530 that it was a crime going on here, 294 00:13:21,530 --> 00:13:23,220 that I was kind of experimenting 295 00:13:23,220 --> 00:13:26,513 with my Giacometti technique at the expense of being caught. 296 00:13:27,730 --> 00:13:28,923 That was very peculiar. 297 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,290 The Giacomettis were, I would say, second rate, 298 00:13:34,290 --> 00:13:38,093 maybe even third-rate fakes, yet, they got out there. 299 00:13:41,770 --> 00:13:43,310 But the success of the scam 300 00:13:43,310 --> 00:13:45,900 depending only in part on the quality 301 00:13:45,900 --> 00:13:47,523 of John Myatt's paintings. 302 00:13:48,550 --> 00:13:52,010 John Drewe had mastered a different kind of fake, 303 00:13:52,010 --> 00:13:53,930 and one which a gullible art market 304 00:13:53,930 --> 00:13:55,763 found much more impressive. 305 00:13:56,870 --> 00:13:59,570 He began changing the archives in some 306 00:13:59,570 --> 00:14:02,670 of London's biggest galleries and museums. 307 00:14:02,670 --> 00:14:06,420 How he did this was brilliant in its simplicity. 308 00:14:06,420 --> 00:14:08,980 In the museum archives, he would find a catalog 309 00:14:08,980 --> 00:14:12,400 belonging to a gallery that had gone out of business. 310 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,660 This was the starting point for his cunning fraud. 311 00:14:15,660 --> 00:14:18,030 Well, we found out that his research 312 00:14:18,030 --> 00:14:23,030 must've consisted on taking out catalogs from the archives, 313 00:14:26,390 --> 00:14:31,370 then cutting and pasting, and creating a collage catalog, 314 00:14:31,370 --> 00:14:36,370 and putting that back into what was now a corrupted archive. 315 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:40,320 These doctored catalogs consisted 316 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:42,317 of photographs of genuine paintings, 317 00:14:42,317 --> 00:14:45,683 and also photographs of fake paintings. 318 00:14:47,580 --> 00:14:49,700 He had juggled them, put them back in together. 319 00:14:49,700 --> 00:14:51,970 So, you would have a catalog 320 00:14:51,970 --> 00:14:54,430 which was just slightly changed, 321 00:14:54,430 --> 00:14:56,410 and you would then have the same references, 322 00:14:56,410 --> 00:14:57,560 but different pictures. 323 00:15:00,070 --> 00:15:02,610 So, when any would-be art historian 324 00:15:02,610 --> 00:15:04,810 went to those archives to check out 325 00:15:04,810 --> 00:15:07,310 a Myatt painting new on the market, 326 00:15:07,310 --> 00:15:09,370 low and behold there was everything there to suggest 327 00:15:09,370 --> 00:15:10,900 that this was something which had been around 328 00:15:10,900 --> 00:15:13,449 as they were being told in the provenance. 329 00:15:13,449 --> 00:15:15,220 (dramatic music) 330 00:15:15,220 --> 00:15:17,750 The painting's history, or provenance, 331 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:20,533 as it is called, was now impeccable. 332 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,710 It appeared to all the world that the fake painting by Myatt 333 00:15:25,710 --> 00:15:29,080 had been part of an earlier exhibition or sale, 334 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:32,093 and, therefore, indisputably genuine. 335 00:15:32,093 --> 00:15:35,093 (suspenseful music) 336 00:15:36,590 --> 00:15:38,340 Drewe targeted some of London's 337 00:15:38,340 --> 00:15:41,190 most prestigious museums and galleries. 338 00:15:41,190 --> 00:15:43,970 The Institute of Contemporary Art, 339 00:15:43,970 --> 00:15:46,830 the Victoria and Albert Museum, 340 00:15:46,830 --> 00:15:49,270 and above all, Britain's foremost gallery 341 00:15:49,270 --> 00:15:52,220 of 20th century art, the Tate. 342 00:15:52,220 --> 00:15:55,510 (dramatic music) 343 00:15:55,510 --> 00:15:57,750 At the Tate, he must've been 344 00:15:57,750 --> 00:15:59,420 left alone in the archive room, 345 00:15:59,420 --> 00:16:03,303 which is a small room, on the occasional basis, 346 00:16:04,900 --> 00:16:09,370 and he must've been able to razor out from the catalog, 347 00:16:09,370 --> 00:16:13,793 a number of exhibition leaves or full exhibition catalogs. 348 00:16:15,630 --> 00:16:18,670 (dramatic music) 349 00:16:18,670 --> 00:16:21,180 He then would, say, go to the lavatory, 350 00:16:21,180 --> 00:16:26,180 or if there was nobody in the room at the time, 351 00:16:26,690 --> 00:16:27,523 just pocket it. 352 00:16:31,630 --> 00:16:35,100 And then come back at a later date, 353 00:16:35,100 --> 00:16:40,100 and reinsert and glue in the new doctored catalog. 354 00:16:43,375 --> 00:16:45,000 (dramatic music) 355 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:46,250 But at the same time 356 00:16:46,250 --> 00:16:48,940 as vandalizing the Tate's archive, 357 00:16:48,940 --> 00:16:52,003 Drewe was presenting himself as a patron of the arts. 358 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,130 He managed to persuade the most eminent people 359 00:16:55,130 --> 00:16:58,140 working at the Tate that he was a serious art connoisseur 360 00:16:59,810 --> 00:17:02,620 He was so in love with this idea of meeting 361 00:17:02,620 --> 00:17:06,530 all these posh and wealthy and establishment people, 362 00:17:06,530 --> 00:17:09,470 and having one over on them. 363 00:17:09,470 --> 00:17:12,340 That in a way, 364 00:17:12,340 --> 00:17:16,700 the money was the second most important thing. 365 00:17:16,700 --> 00:17:18,060 It was the doing of it, 366 00:17:18,060 --> 00:17:20,690 that I learned from working with John, 367 00:17:20,690 --> 00:17:21,880 the being the professor, 368 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,780 the mixing with all these people, 369 00:17:23,780 --> 00:17:27,047 and knowing that you knew something that they didn't. 370 00:17:28,972 --> 00:17:31,760 I think you could say a typical conman's relationship 371 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:36,653 to the Tate Gallery to get to where he wanted to be, 372 00:17:37,860 --> 00:17:39,930 he needed to, if you like, have 373 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:43,160 a certain amount of influence with the Tate Gallery, 374 00:17:43,160 --> 00:17:46,280 and then to be able to bring that influence 375 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:51,280 to bear in backing whatever he said about works of art, 376 00:17:51,450 --> 00:17:54,151 give him some credibility in the art market. 377 00:17:54,151 --> 00:17:55,400 (dramatic music) 378 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:57,190 But Drewe's attempts to ingratiate 379 00:17:57,190 --> 00:18:01,090 himself to the Tate horrified the forager John Myatt. 380 00:18:01,090 --> 00:18:04,060 I'd done some not very good paintings by minor 381 00:18:04,060 --> 00:18:07,683 French artists from the 1950s, 1960s, called Bissiere. 382 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:10,860 John had taken it into his head to present them 383 00:18:10,860 --> 00:18:13,860 to the Tate Gallery. (laughs) 384 00:18:13,860 --> 00:18:17,549 So, he said, "Would you come down you'd love to see this?" 385 00:18:17,549 --> 00:18:18,382 He said, "Why don't you come down 386 00:18:18,382 --> 00:18:20,610 "as a consultant art historian," 387 00:18:20,610 --> 00:18:22,570 and so I kind of put my suit and tie on, 388 00:18:22,570 --> 00:18:26,135 and went down and attended the meeting. 389 00:18:26,135 --> 00:18:29,135 (suspenseful music) 390 00:18:31,110 --> 00:18:32,750 They came up from wherever it was, 391 00:18:32,750 --> 00:18:34,200 and they had white gloves on. 392 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:37,160 I mean, you really had to laugh. 393 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:39,242 It was just so unreal. 394 00:18:39,242 --> 00:18:42,242 (suspenseful music) 395 00:18:44,030 --> 00:18:46,440 This one guy, I think he was the deputy head of it, 396 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:48,567 he said, "Well come down with me, 397 00:18:48,567 --> 00:18:49,607 "Mr. Myatt, and I'll show you 398 00:18:49,607 --> 00:18:51,270 "where we're going to hang these." 399 00:18:51,270 --> 00:18:54,120 So we went from this lovely boardroom 400 00:18:54,120 --> 00:18:55,423 into the gallery itself. 401 00:18:57,750 --> 00:18:59,347 He said, "Now, we're gonna have one this side there, 402 00:18:59,347 --> 00:19:01,427 "and one on that side of the down there." 403 00:19:04,425 --> 00:19:05,670 What can you say? 404 00:19:05,670 --> 00:19:08,307 I said, "Very good, very good choice." 405 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:11,580 The only time I really got furious with John Drewe. 406 00:19:11,580 --> 00:19:12,737 I really did, I just thought, 407 00:19:12,737 --> 00:19:14,767 "Do you want to get caught? 408 00:19:14,767 --> 00:19:16,207 "What are you doing?" 409 00:19:17,980 --> 00:19:19,460 The worrying thing from my point of view 410 00:19:19,460 --> 00:19:20,763 was that there was no oil paint on them. 411 00:19:20,763 --> 00:19:21,596 "It was all emulsion paint. 412 00:19:21,596 --> 00:19:22,737 "It was house paint." 413 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:27,100 There I was sitting in the boardroom 414 00:19:27,100 --> 00:19:29,700 of the bloody Tate Gallery with two paintings, 415 00:19:29,700 --> 00:19:32,610 which had just been painted in emulsion paint. 416 00:19:32,610 --> 00:19:33,807 They were saying, "We're just going to take these down 417 00:19:33,807 --> 00:19:35,070 "to conservation to have a look," 418 00:19:35,070 --> 00:19:36,460 and I thought, "Oh, Christ. 419 00:19:37,517 --> 00:19:39,047 "Why does he do this?" 420 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:42,340 Drewe's tactics took great nerve, 421 00:19:42,340 --> 00:19:44,860 and there was method in his madness. 422 00:19:44,860 --> 00:19:48,191 You might consider this as an odd move to do 423 00:19:48,191 --> 00:19:53,191 on a fraudman's side, but it's not. 424 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:54,620 It's actually quite a clever thing to do, 425 00:19:54,620 --> 00:19:59,370 because if he can get the Bissiere hung up in the Tate, 426 00:19:59,370 --> 00:20:02,110 it's literally 100% provenance 427 00:20:02,110 --> 00:20:04,070 that you've got a genuine Bissiere, 428 00:20:04,070 --> 00:20:05,957 and that's what he was trying to do. 429 00:20:05,957 --> 00:20:07,830 (gentle music) 430 00:20:07,830 --> 00:20:10,590 We walked along Millbank and found some pub. 431 00:20:10,590 --> 00:20:11,610 That's where I had a crack at him. 432 00:20:11,610 --> 00:20:13,850 It's the only time I really did have a go at him, 433 00:20:13,850 --> 00:20:16,610 because I just felt you're on a different planet here. 434 00:20:16,610 --> 00:20:17,803 This is just stupid. 435 00:20:18,660 --> 00:20:19,780 I think it made an impression on him. 436 00:20:19,780 --> 00:20:22,370 He said, "Well, what am I going to do then?" 437 00:20:22,370 --> 00:20:23,297 I said, "I don't know what you're gonna do, 438 00:20:23,297 --> 00:20:24,407 "but what you are gonna do is you're gonna 439 00:20:24,407 --> 00:20:26,546 "get those paintings out of there." 440 00:20:26,546 --> 00:20:27,900 (dramatic music) 441 00:20:27,900 --> 00:20:29,280 John Drewe came up with 442 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:32,500 an extraordinary way out of the predicament. 443 00:20:32,500 --> 00:20:35,040 He would retrieve the forged paintings 444 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,510 by giving the Tate a huge donation. 445 00:20:37,510 --> 00:20:39,192 He came up with something. 446 00:20:39,192 --> 00:20:41,143 There was a problem with the paintings, 447 00:20:41,143 --> 00:20:43,380 so he gave them 25,000 pounds instead, 448 00:20:43,380 --> 00:20:44,808 and he got the paintings out. 449 00:20:44,808 --> 00:20:47,808 (suspenseful music) 450 00:20:54,490 --> 00:20:56,500 I got them back, and I burnt them. 451 00:20:56,500 --> 00:20:58,700 I was so relieved to have got them back. 452 00:20:58,700 --> 00:21:00,581 I put them in the bonfire and burnt the damn thing. 453 00:21:00,581 --> 00:21:03,331 (dramatic music) 454 00:21:04,660 --> 00:21:06,420 I'd love to have them now, I must say. 455 00:21:06,420 --> 00:21:09,223 Those are the paintings that nearly made it into the Tate. 456 00:21:11,544 --> 00:21:14,294 (birds chirping) 457 00:21:15,260 --> 00:21:17,060 John Myatt and John Drewe 458 00:21:17,060 --> 00:21:19,260 continued conning the art world, 459 00:21:19,260 --> 00:21:21,950 selling forgery after forgery 460 00:21:21,950 --> 00:21:25,270 into a seemingly insatiable market. 461 00:21:25,270 --> 00:21:28,560 Myatt could hardly believe he was getting away with it. 462 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,460 After all, Myatt was only using household water-based paint 463 00:21:32,460 --> 00:21:34,283 mixed with petroleum jelly. 464 00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:38,760 Meanwhile, John Drewe was cleverly doctoring Myatt's 465 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:42,493 canvases to make them look older and more authentic. 466 00:21:43,350 --> 00:21:44,670 He would then change the stretchers at the back. 467 00:21:44,670 --> 00:21:46,690 That was the first thing he did usually, 468 00:21:46,690 --> 00:21:48,073 put old stretchers on. 469 00:21:49,770 --> 00:21:52,810 Then he would also use furniture tacks, 470 00:21:52,810 --> 00:21:54,360 which he would treat with salt, 471 00:21:55,420 --> 00:21:57,390 and so that would corrode them, 472 00:21:57,390 --> 00:21:59,763 so they looked nice and rusty around the edge. 473 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,190 Perhaps a bag of dust out of the Hoover 474 00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:06,740 on the back of the thing. 475 00:22:06,740 --> 00:22:09,319 The Hoover would go off so there was dust in the crevices. 476 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:12,440 (vacuum humming) 477 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,920 Just a bit of coffee or tea on the front, 478 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:17,133 just to take the edge off it. 479 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:21,570 The technique seemed to be working, 480 00:22:21,570 --> 00:22:24,660 and Myatt's paintings were selling well. 481 00:22:24,660 --> 00:22:27,573 Little did they know, that someone was on to them. 482 00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:34,320 In 1991, a painting came up for sale at Sotheby's, 483 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,663 the prestigious auction house in London. 484 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,990 The picture of a standing figure 485 00:22:40,990 --> 00:22:43,840 was apparently by Alberto Giacometti, 486 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,823 one of the most influential artists of the 20th century. 487 00:22:47,670 --> 00:22:50,470 Myatt had spent the previous four years 488 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:53,720 trying to perfect his Giacometti forgeries. 489 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,107 It might sell for $300,000. 490 00:23:05,026 --> 00:23:07,060 (gentle music) 491 00:23:07,060 --> 00:23:10,160 But across the English Channel, in Paris, 492 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,140 there were doubts about the authenticity 493 00:23:12,140 --> 00:23:13,463 of Myatt's Giacometti. 494 00:23:14,580 --> 00:23:17,080 American Mary Lisa Palmer lives and works 495 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,940 in the French capital. 496 00:23:18,940 --> 00:23:21,940 She is one of the world's leading authorities on Giacometti. 497 00:23:23,490 --> 00:23:25,550 In November 1991, 498 00:23:25,550 --> 00:23:28,217 she received a copy of an auction catalog, 499 00:23:28,217 --> 00:23:30,833 and her suspicions were immediately aroused. 500 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,700 My first reaction looking at the reproduction, 501 00:23:35,700 --> 00:23:37,745 it was wrong, there was something wrong. 502 00:23:37,745 --> 00:23:39,200 (dramatic music) 503 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:40,710 Let's say that in this painting 504 00:23:40,710 --> 00:23:42,600 there were several different elements 505 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,170 that you can find in an authentic painting, 506 00:23:45,170 --> 00:23:48,230 but, like you had a certain kind of background, 507 00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:52,530 you had a little sort of a sketch of what would be 508 00:23:52,530 --> 00:23:56,710 a canvas put against the wall on the side of the figure. 509 00:23:56,710 --> 00:24:00,123 You have the body of a standing woman, 510 00:24:01,030 --> 00:24:03,110 but the head it looks like a head 511 00:24:03,110 --> 00:24:06,050 that Giacometti could have done, 512 00:24:06,050 --> 00:24:07,480 but it's a head of a man. 513 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,453 So a head of a man on a female nude is sort of strange, 514 00:24:12,540 --> 00:24:15,160 and, of course, the signature was a bit thick, 515 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,236 and a bit too well applied. 516 00:24:17,236 --> 00:24:19,220 (gentle music) 517 00:24:19,220 --> 00:24:22,410 Mary Lisa Palmer immediately flew to London. 518 00:24:22,410 --> 00:24:24,510 She examined the picture at Sotheby's, 519 00:24:24,510 --> 00:24:26,843 and told the experts there what she thought. 520 00:24:27,831 --> 00:24:29,690 Well, I told them that, unfortunately, 521 00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:31,730 that I thought that the painting was incorrect, 522 00:24:31,730 --> 00:24:36,727 and I asked them if they could give me an x-ray of the back, 523 00:24:36,727 --> 00:24:40,647 and they said that, "Miss Palmer, other people 524 00:24:40,647 --> 00:24:44,097 "who know the work of Giacometti think it's fine, 525 00:24:44,097 --> 00:24:47,290 "and on top of it, the provenance that is given 526 00:24:47,290 --> 00:24:49,817 in our auction catalog, you will find the proof 527 00:24:49,817 --> 00:24:52,008 "of the pudding in the Tate Archives." 528 00:24:52,008 --> 00:24:55,050 (dramatic music) 529 00:24:55,050 --> 00:24:56,790 Problem was, that according 530 00:24:56,790 --> 00:24:58,690 to the Sotheby's catalog, 531 00:24:58,690 --> 00:25:01,970 the authenticity of the Giacometti was impeccable. 532 00:25:01,970 --> 00:25:04,373 Its provenance was listed in detail. 533 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,690 Undeterred, Mary Lisa Palmer 534 00:25:09,690 --> 00:25:12,150 went straight to the Tate Gallery. 535 00:25:12,150 --> 00:25:13,610 As Sotheby's promised, 536 00:25:13,610 --> 00:25:16,210 she found a photograph of the dubious Giacometti 537 00:25:16,210 --> 00:25:18,460 in the Tate Gallery archive, 538 00:25:18,460 --> 00:25:21,300 but she came to a different conclusion. 539 00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,060 If the painting was fake, 540 00:25:23,060 --> 00:25:25,690 so too was the provenance. 541 00:25:25,690 --> 00:25:28,670 What I discovered that day was that 542 00:25:28,670 --> 00:25:31,123 someone was tampering with the archives. 543 00:25:32,100 --> 00:25:36,960 This was extremely, extremely dangerous for the art world. 544 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,710 (dramatic music) 545 00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:44,520 Mary Lisa Palmer's startling discovery 546 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:47,750 raised more questions than it answered. 547 00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:50,400 How long had the scam been going on? 548 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,440 How many other fakes were there? 549 00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,660 And by how many artists? 550 00:25:54,660 --> 00:25:56,940 And how was it that some of the best experts 551 00:25:56,940 --> 00:26:00,333 in the art world had been so totally duped? 552 00:26:04,470 --> 00:26:07,470 Among the many artists that Myatt was now forging, 553 00:26:07,470 --> 00:26:10,800 was Ben Nicholson, a British artist producing 554 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,040 abstract paintings after the Second World War. 555 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:14,997 I said to John Drewe, 556 00:26:14,997 --> 00:26:17,037 "Ben Nicholson would be a good choice. 557 00:26:17,037 --> 00:26:18,277 "Because, from his point of view, 558 00:26:18,277 --> 00:26:22,073 "from the provenance point of view, he was English. 559 00:26:22,957 --> 00:26:25,077 "So you didn't have to worry about 560 00:26:25,077 --> 00:26:27,087 "provenancing the things abroad." 561 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:30,170 Myatt set to work trying to master 562 00:26:30,170 --> 00:26:33,763 the seemingly simple process of producing a Ben Nicholson. 563 00:26:35,830 --> 00:26:40,120 I tend to sort of stick with him from about 1950 to 1960, 564 00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:43,560 and during that period, he was kind of playing with 565 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,830 a limited number of shapes which were based on 566 00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:47,993 jugs, goblets, mugs and things. 567 00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:50,970 When I was passing these off as fakes, 568 00:26:50,970 --> 00:26:52,530 I wasn't doing them as well as I am today, 569 00:26:52,530 --> 00:26:53,810 in fact, the things I'm doing today 570 00:26:53,810 --> 00:26:55,870 of Ben Nicholson are much, much better. 571 00:26:55,870 --> 00:26:57,690 I struggled quite a lot in early days. 572 00:26:57,690 --> 00:26:59,552 It was really just a learning curve for me. 573 00:26:59,552 --> 00:27:03,080 (lighthearted music) 574 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:04,450 Actually, this isn't quite nice. 575 00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:05,620 I'm fed up of doing those now. 576 00:27:05,620 --> 00:27:08,044 Look, this is Henry Matisse. 577 00:27:08,044 --> 00:27:11,127 (lighthearted music) 578 00:27:14,681 --> 00:27:17,170 (dramatic music) 579 00:27:17,170 --> 00:27:19,540 To convince the experts of the authenticity 580 00:27:19,540 --> 00:27:22,000 of John Myatt's Nicholson fakes, 581 00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,580 they needed to know more about the way the artist worked. 582 00:27:25,580 --> 00:27:27,840 I remember putting my best suit on 583 00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,360 and going to some Cork Street gallery, 584 00:27:30,360 --> 00:27:31,855 or other which have got a Nicholson in the window, 585 00:27:31,855 --> 00:27:34,630 and saying can we have a look at that, 586 00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:36,440 and a very nice, young lady came out 587 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:41,280 and showed us the paintings, and we got a result. 588 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,110 We knew what they looked like, 589 00:27:44,110 --> 00:27:46,040 where the gallery stickers were, 590 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,470 where he'd sign them. 591 00:27:47,470 --> 00:27:48,420 On the stretcher, actually. 592 00:27:48,420 --> 00:27:51,183 On the top right inside of the stretcher, 593 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,660 and that was a vital, 594 00:27:54,660 --> 00:27:57,410 an integral part of doing what we were doing, 595 00:27:57,410 --> 00:27:59,656 was knowing how that worked. 596 00:27:59,656 --> 00:28:02,323 (gentle music) 597 00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:06,590 John Myatt began turning out Nicholsons, 598 00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:09,270 while John Drewe put the new information 599 00:28:09,270 --> 00:28:11,201 about the artist to good use. 600 00:28:11,201 --> 00:28:12,034 He was very good. 601 00:28:12,034 --> 00:28:13,860 I mean, he was quite a handy carpenter. 602 00:28:13,860 --> 00:28:15,380 In that, he used to make the frames in the same way 603 00:28:15,380 --> 00:28:17,260 that Nicholson made his frames. 604 00:28:17,260 --> 00:28:19,530 He got me to actually do the Ben Nicholson signature 605 00:28:19,530 --> 00:28:22,860 on the wooden stretcher at the back of the canvas. 606 00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:23,693 It worked. 607 00:28:23,693 --> 00:28:26,893 Myatt's fakes passed the ultimate test. 608 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:30,320 The chilling thing, I think, 609 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:33,490 was that these paintings would be shown to, 610 00:28:33,490 --> 00:28:34,680 in Ben Nicholson's case, 611 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:35,910 I mean Ben Nicholson's son-in-law, 612 00:28:35,910 --> 00:28:37,300 who had been a senior figure 613 00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,530 at a very important British gallery, 614 00:28:39,530 --> 00:28:42,709 was saying, yes, and authenticating these paintings. 615 00:28:42,709 --> 00:28:44,540 (gentle music) 616 00:28:44,540 --> 00:28:46,090 As John Myatt was churning out 617 00:28:46,090 --> 00:28:49,090 the fakes at home, unknown to him, 618 00:28:49,090 --> 00:28:52,490 John Drewe had made contact with the police. 619 00:28:52,490 --> 00:28:56,343 But about something quite different and much more sinister. 620 00:29:00,730 --> 00:29:02,850 We met at the Battersea Heliport, 621 00:29:02,850 --> 00:29:05,190 where this character came in the helicopter, 622 00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:06,733 and it was John Drewe. 623 00:29:07,910 --> 00:29:09,060 He had his two children, and, of course, 624 00:29:09,060 --> 00:29:11,490 the pilot and co-pilot of this helicopter 625 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:13,720 he'd hired for the day just to impress 626 00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:15,560 the detectives from Scotland Yard. 627 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:16,950 He came through with this long story 628 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:19,190 of how he was a professor, or this that and the other, 629 00:29:19,190 --> 00:29:21,450 and how he came across these mafioso 630 00:29:21,450 --> 00:29:23,700 trying to sell stolen paintings and so forth. 631 00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:27,770 From the start, Charlie Hill had his doubts 632 00:29:27,770 --> 00:29:30,070 about the man who was offering himself 633 00:29:30,070 --> 00:29:33,220 as a police informant on the Italian mafia, 634 00:29:33,220 --> 00:29:36,690 especially when Drewe invited him to a restaurant 635 00:29:36,690 --> 00:29:40,383 that Charlie Hill understood to be a hub of mafia activity. 636 00:29:41,690 --> 00:29:44,500 In retrospect, what John Drewe was up to 637 00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:47,713 became perfectly clear to the Scotland Yard detective. 638 00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,770 He realized that he was about to be 639 00:29:51,770 --> 00:29:55,470 revealed as a conman, and a fraudster, 640 00:29:55,470 --> 00:30:00,470 and he wanted to get himself a coup as a police informant, 641 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:03,340 so he could use that as a line of defense. 642 00:30:08,470 --> 00:30:10,120 There were plenty of other people 643 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,260 who were taken in by John Drewe, 644 00:30:12,260 --> 00:30:15,593 and art experts who fell for John Myatt's fakes. 645 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:22,120 In 1994, a man called Clive Bellman walked into the gallery 646 00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:24,553 of a private art dealer, Peter Nahum. 647 00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:31,270 Nahum had spent years working for Sotheby's auction house. 648 00:30:31,270 --> 00:30:33,370 He now had a substantial reputation 649 00:30:33,370 --> 00:30:35,590 as a dealer specializing in 19th 650 00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:37,530 and 20th century painting. 651 00:30:37,530 --> 00:30:39,653 When Clive Bellman came to us, 652 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:43,220 we were in the middle of the deepest recessions 653 00:30:43,220 --> 00:30:46,440 in the art trade, and he explained a few things. 654 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:47,550 We'd never met him before. 655 00:30:47,550 --> 00:30:49,130 He'd explained that the reason 656 00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:51,030 he was selling these pictures, 657 00:30:51,030 --> 00:30:52,593 which belonged to his neighbor, 658 00:30:53,460 --> 00:30:55,270 which was a private collection, 659 00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:57,350 was that he had owned a couple of 660 00:30:57,350 --> 00:30:59,910 jewelry shops, et cetera, and gone bust. 661 00:30:59,910 --> 00:31:01,690 Now, we feel great sympathy for people 662 00:31:01,690 --> 00:31:03,240 who have lost their businesses. 663 00:31:04,100 --> 00:31:05,350 To take him on face value, 664 00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:07,740 you'd of been perfectly happy with it. 665 00:31:07,740 --> 00:31:10,930 I'm very sensitive to shifty people, 666 00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:13,573 and Clive Bellman did not appear to be shifty to me. 667 00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:16,670 The painting Bellman was trying to sell 668 00:31:16,670 --> 00:31:18,380 was by Graham Sutherland, 669 00:31:18,380 --> 00:31:21,460 the provenance from an Italian monastery. 670 00:31:21,460 --> 00:31:22,920 I didn't like the painting at all, 671 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:24,260 I thought it was dreadful. 672 00:31:24,260 --> 00:31:29,260 But, Christie's had just sold a group of these paintings, 673 00:31:30,910 --> 00:31:34,520 with the same provenance, from the same monastery, 674 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,998 for a great deal of money. 675 00:31:35,998 --> 00:31:38,490 (dramatic music) 676 00:31:38,490 --> 00:31:40,250 Little did Peter Nahum know, 677 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,120 that the painting was a fake by John Myatt, 678 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,140 the provenances forged by John Drewe. 679 00:31:46,140 --> 00:31:47,970 One of the Sutherland's that we got, 680 00:31:47,970 --> 00:31:50,070 a beautiful Graham Sutherland crucifixion, 681 00:31:51,070 --> 00:31:55,930 and John Myatt just did the same crucifixion, 682 00:31:55,930 --> 00:31:57,750 but with a different color. 683 00:31:57,750 --> 00:32:01,740 Instead of having yellows, there was reds. 684 00:32:01,740 --> 00:32:05,150 Both of them, Graham Sutherland colors, 685 00:32:05,150 --> 00:32:08,210 the specific red that Sutherland used. 686 00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:11,189 Beautiful little jewel of a painting. 687 00:32:11,189 --> 00:32:13,950 (dramatic music) 688 00:32:13,950 --> 00:32:18,490 What Drewe had done, he had gone to a monastic order, 689 00:32:18,490 --> 00:32:21,920 and he had told them that he had got, 690 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,260 from one of the sales of their books, 691 00:32:25,260 --> 00:32:29,023 a whole load of Graham Sutherland paintings. 692 00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:35,380 He then got a stamp cut with Order of Servite Mary, 693 00:32:35,380 --> 00:32:40,380 which approximated to the stamp that they actually did have, 694 00:32:41,130 --> 00:32:43,143 and he stamped the paintings. 695 00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,410 Peter Nahum took the provenance 696 00:32:47,410 --> 00:32:49,760 of the Sutherland at face value, 697 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:53,100 paid Clive Bellman $7,000 for the painting, 698 00:32:53,100 --> 00:32:54,883 and put it in a Christie's auction. 699 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:58,810 Well, they put it an estimate of 10 to 15,000 pounds, 700 00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:00,490 and it was unsold. 701 00:33:00,490 --> 00:33:02,490 We still have it, or the police have it. 702 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,440 Peter Nahum was another victim of the scam 703 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,970 Drewe had launched on an unsuspecting art world. 704 00:33:09,970 --> 00:33:12,570 But so too was Clive Bellman, 705 00:33:12,570 --> 00:33:16,400 and he wasn't the only innocent recruited by John Drewe. 706 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,880 As with all con men, they use people. 707 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,790 They get out of them what they need, 708 00:33:20,790 --> 00:33:22,230 and then they discard them. 709 00:33:22,230 --> 00:33:24,180 There's no support, there's no loyalty. 710 00:33:25,020 --> 00:33:26,430 They are users and abusers, 711 00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:28,380 and that's exactly what John Drewe was. 712 00:33:29,350 --> 00:33:31,840 He told all his friends and acquaintances 713 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,120 that these were perfectly genuine paintings. 714 00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,270 That some of them he'd inherited. 715 00:33:36,270 --> 00:33:39,250 He used people who weren't crooks. 716 00:33:39,250 --> 00:33:41,600 He used straightforward people, 717 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,000 who were not involved in crime, 718 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,300 to present his numerous paintings 719 00:33:47,300 --> 00:33:49,470 at the various auction houses. 720 00:33:49,470 --> 00:33:51,010 He stayed in the background. 721 00:33:51,010 --> 00:33:52,160 He would send out runners. 722 00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:56,016 He couldn't be seen in too many places at once. 723 00:33:56,016 --> 00:33:57,420 (gentle music) 724 00:33:57,420 --> 00:33:59,880 By this time, the gloss was already beginning 725 00:33:59,880 --> 00:34:02,663 to go off the criminal life for John Myatt. 726 00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:06,380 He went along to the sale of some of his fakes 727 00:34:06,380 --> 00:34:09,710 of Jean Dubuffet at a London auction house. 728 00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:11,560 For whatever reason, he couldn't go, 729 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:15,363 and he said would I go to this auction of Jean Dubuffets. 730 00:34:15,363 --> 00:34:16,293 And, I did. 731 00:34:18,518 --> 00:34:20,280 I had the same kind of feeling, actually. 732 00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:22,770 Every time I got to the sharp end of what was going on, 733 00:34:22,770 --> 00:34:23,970 I really didn't like it. 734 00:34:25,588 --> 00:34:26,540 I think they got about 40,000 735 00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:29,173 or 50,000 all together these things. 736 00:34:30,550 --> 00:34:32,630 I walked up King Street, and then up the Strand, 737 00:34:32,630 --> 00:34:33,867 and then back towards Piccadilly, and I thought, 738 00:34:33,867 --> 00:34:35,730 "Well, this is the point where I really should feel happy." 739 00:34:35,730 --> 00:34:37,110 This is where you roll credits, 740 00:34:37,110 --> 00:34:38,797 and everybody lives happily ever after. 741 00:34:38,797 --> 00:34:41,090 "Why do I feel so 742 00:34:44,937 --> 00:34:46,187 "fed up with everything?" 743 00:34:48,710 --> 00:34:52,790 John Myatt finally decided he had enough. 744 00:34:52,790 --> 00:34:54,990 He called up one day from a telephone, 745 00:34:54,990 --> 00:34:58,067 and I said John, "You've just gotta (bleep) off. 746 00:34:58,067 --> 00:35:00,357 "I can't do this anymore, (bleep) off." 747 00:35:02,417 --> 00:35:05,540 "He said, "Did you just tell me (bleep) off?" 748 00:35:05,540 --> 00:35:07,977 I said, "Yes, yeah, (bleep) off, John," 749 00:35:08,900 --> 00:35:11,600 and down went the phone. 750 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:15,047 I remember, phew, that's that. 751 00:35:15,047 --> 00:35:17,303 That's that, by fork, spoon, and blood. 752 00:35:18,367 --> 00:35:19,511 Done it. 753 00:35:19,511 --> 00:35:21,210 (gentle music) 754 00:35:21,210 --> 00:35:22,680 As the relationship between 755 00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,870 the two men deteriorated, 756 00:35:24,870 --> 00:35:28,450 what neither John Drewe nor John Myatt knew, 757 00:35:28,450 --> 00:35:31,523 was that their forgery scam was about to be rumbled. 758 00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:36,950 When Clive Bellman paid his next visit to Peter Nahum, 759 00:35:36,950 --> 00:35:40,610 he arrived at the gallery with a painting by Ben Nicholson. 760 00:35:40,610 --> 00:35:45,280 It came with full provenance, labels on the back, 761 00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:49,760 a catalog in which it was exhibited at the Rue de Seine, 762 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,300 or one of these non existent galleries, 763 00:35:52,300 --> 00:35:54,650 some gallery in the 1950s. 764 00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:58,803 It came with a certificate from the Ben Nicholson expert, 765 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,710 who was the ex-director of the Tate Gallery. 766 00:36:02,710 --> 00:36:06,993 I decided to buy it with somebody else, a friend of mine. 767 00:36:08,670 --> 00:36:10,910 This picture wasn't a great Ben Nicholson, 768 00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:12,600 but it was quite colorful. 769 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:14,270 We thought it was absolutely genuine. 770 00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:16,580 We did not think it was good enough to offer to our clients. 771 00:36:16,580 --> 00:36:20,830 But we thought it was the sort of picture 772 00:36:20,830 --> 00:36:24,780 that clients of Sotheby's and Christie's, 773 00:36:24,780 --> 00:36:28,080 because it was colorful, would pay good money for, 774 00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:32,523 so we bought it as a purely commercial transaction. 775 00:36:33,900 --> 00:36:35,720 Nahum even took the painting 776 00:36:35,720 --> 00:36:38,330 to the curator at London's Tate Gallery, 777 00:36:38,330 --> 00:36:41,540 who had recently mounted a Nicholson exhibition. 778 00:36:41,540 --> 00:36:44,547 He privately said, "It's not a great one, but it's okay." 779 00:36:45,523 --> 00:36:46,943 (dramatic music) 780 00:36:46,943 --> 00:36:49,130 Nahum and his partner put the painting 781 00:36:49,130 --> 00:36:51,730 into an auction at Sotheby's in New York, 782 00:36:51,730 --> 00:36:55,523 and sold it at a $15,000 loss. 783 00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:00,720 We are now at the point where we have bought two pictures, 784 00:37:00,720 --> 00:37:02,993 two Myatts, Drewe pictures, 785 00:37:03,980 --> 00:37:06,660 and we believe them both to be genuine. 786 00:37:06,660 --> 00:37:08,660 One is waiting for sale in Christie's, 787 00:37:08,660 --> 00:37:11,053 one been sold in Sotheby's. 788 00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:13,990 Some while later, 789 00:37:13,990 --> 00:37:16,810 Nahum was offered a second Ben Nicholson, 790 00:37:16,810 --> 00:37:18,840 by a man claiming to be raising money 791 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,520 for a charity representing the victims 792 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,850 of the Auschwitz concentration camp. 793 00:37:23,850 --> 00:37:25,050 My partner on the other Ben Nicholson, 794 00:37:25,050 --> 00:37:27,623 and I, are looking at this Ben Nicholson, 795 00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:31,060 beautifully signed on the back 796 00:37:31,060 --> 00:37:32,750 in Ben Nicholson's handwriting, 797 00:37:32,750 --> 00:37:34,820 in pencil, exactly as he does. 798 00:37:34,820 --> 00:37:37,600 It has all the paperwork, 799 00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,553 the catalog with it, illustrated in from the 1950s, 800 00:37:42,630 --> 00:37:45,035 and we're looking at the picture, 801 00:37:45,035 --> 00:37:48,210 and the scales start falling from our eyes. 802 00:37:48,210 --> 00:37:49,410 because there are labels, 803 00:37:49,410 --> 00:37:51,963 gallery labels on the back, provenance labels, 804 00:37:53,723 --> 00:37:57,940 and we think, this Ben Nicholson has exactly the same 805 00:37:59,150 --> 00:38:04,150 provenance and gallery labels as the previous one we had. 806 00:38:05,572 --> 00:38:06,883 Now, what are the chances of that? 807 00:38:06,883 --> 00:38:07,716 Not great. 808 00:38:09,220 --> 00:38:13,617 Then we said, "Well, this is a bit of a worry." 809 00:38:15,570 --> 00:38:18,270 So then we look at the signature, beautifully written. 810 00:38:19,870 --> 00:38:24,870 Once you realize, the handwriting starts falling apart. 811 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,204 Brilliant, but you realize not quite good enough. 812 00:38:29,204 --> 00:38:32,600 (dramatic music) 813 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:36,420 I had put the whole scam together, 814 00:38:36,420 --> 00:38:39,280 and I put all the documentation together, 815 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:40,996 and I called in the police. 816 00:38:40,996 --> 00:38:43,680 (dramatic music) 817 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,870 He believed that these were probably 818 00:38:45,870 --> 00:38:48,020 two sources that were linked. 819 00:38:48,020 --> 00:38:50,770 He showed me letters that he'd received, 820 00:38:50,770 --> 00:38:54,020 and from his professional viewpoint, 821 00:38:54,020 --> 00:38:55,750 having looked at the paintings further, 822 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:58,250 he considered they were probably by the same hand. 823 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:03,640 We were looking at a sort of well versed fraud, 824 00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,584 with a forger working behind it. 825 00:39:07,584 --> 00:39:09,270 (dramatic music) 826 00:39:09,270 --> 00:39:12,010 Peter Nahum had worked out 827 00:39:12,010 --> 00:39:15,230 that the Sutherland also was a fake, 828 00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:17,420 but he did have a name for us, 829 00:39:17,420 --> 00:39:20,563 and that name came back to Drewe. 830 00:39:22,580 --> 00:39:26,590 Within days, John Drewe's name came up again. 831 00:39:26,590 --> 00:39:29,010 The next piece of the jigsaw actually 832 00:39:29,010 --> 00:39:30,860 sort of fell into place very quickly. 833 00:39:32,430 --> 00:39:35,080 Dick Ellis got a call at Scotland Yard 834 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,770 from the man who ran the Tate Gallery. 835 00:39:37,770 --> 00:39:40,560 He was concerned that he'd been talking 836 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,280 to people within their archives, 837 00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,670 that they had a problem within the archive, 838 00:39:44,670 --> 00:39:46,920 that somebody who had donated 839 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,404 a large sum of money to them, 20,000 pounds, 840 00:39:50,404 --> 00:39:53,330 and as a result had sort of being given the key at the door 841 00:39:53,330 --> 00:39:58,190 could have now caused some damage to the archives, 842 00:39:58,190 --> 00:40:01,943 actually been utilizing them to mastermind a fraud. 843 00:40:03,130 --> 00:40:06,082 Of course, the name John Drewe was thrown in again. 844 00:40:06,082 --> 00:40:08,880 (suspenseful music) 845 00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:10,890 The last piece of the jigsaw puzzle 846 00:40:10,890 --> 00:40:13,510 came with a dramatic visit to the police 847 00:40:13,510 --> 00:40:15,843 of John Drewe's estranged partner. 848 00:40:16,770 --> 00:40:18,630 With the contents of the trash bags 849 00:40:18,630 --> 00:40:21,010 now under police examination, 850 00:40:21,010 --> 00:40:22,940 the eight years of fraud and fakes 851 00:40:22,940 --> 00:40:24,623 was about to come to an end. 852 00:40:26,070 --> 00:40:27,070 In the bin liners, 853 00:40:28,580 --> 00:40:33,580 the most prevalent thing was negatives, 854 00:40:33,590 --> 00:40:38,243 hundreds of negatives of a number of different artists. 855 00:40:40,730 --> 00:40:42,270 We had Giacomettis. 856 00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:43,220 We had de Staels. 857 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:44,570 We had Bissieres. 858 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:47,993 We had Jawlenskys, Aveclunes, Dubuffets. 859 00:40:50,550 --> 00:40:54,883 It covered at least 30 to 40 artists. 860 00:40:56,050 --> 00:40:59,023 You name it, 20th century modernists were there. 861 00:41:00,180 --> 00:41:03,130 It became pretty clear that there was 862 00:41:03,130 --> 00:41:07,253 all the indications of not just a large scale fraud, 863 00:41:07,253 --> 00:41:09,750 I think we'd all seen that before, 864 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:12,250 but there was evidence there that archives, 865 00:41:12,250 --> 00:41:13,890 and not just from the Tate Gallery, 866 00:41:13,890 --> 00:41:18,253 but from other galleries had been cut up, had been copied, 867 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:23,610 and clearly this was of great concern to the art world that 868 00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:27,669 where they go for their historic records 869 00:41:27,669 --> 00:41:30,595 have now been contaminated in this way. 870 00:41:30,595 --> 00:41:33,240 (gentle music) 871 00:41:33,240 --> 00:41:34,740 The first stop for the police 872 00:41:34,740 --> 00:41:37,690 as they began to unravel the extent of the fraud, 873 00:41:37,690 --> 00:41:40,290 was once again the Tate Gallery. 874 00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:41,960 Told the Tate that we had 875 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,670 an interest in Giacomettis, 876 00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:46,900 because we've got a large amount of Giacomettis. 877 00:41:46,900 --> 00:41:50,880 We worked out, in fact, in the end there were between 878 00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,593 20 and 30 Giacomettis which had been done. 879 00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:59,410 We wanted to know the Giacometti expert, 880 00:41:59,410 --> 00:42:01,805 and we were put onto Mary Lisa Palmer. 881 00:42:01,805 --> 00:42:02,970 (gentle music) 882 00:42:02,970 --> 00:42:05,380 In Paris, Mary Lisa Palmer 883 00:42:05,380 --> 00:42:08,270 had been waiting four years for this moment. 884 00:42:08,270 --> 00:42:09,673 Finally, finally. 885 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:12,940 We arranged that we'd go to London 886 00:42:12,940 --> 00:42:15,500 with all of our documents, 887 00:42:15,500 --> 00:42:18,389 which weighed quite a few pounds. 888 00:42:18,389 --> 00:42:20,820 (bright music) 889 00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:21,960 Within a week, 890 00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:24,200 Palmer was sitting in Scotland Yard 891 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,180 telling detectives which paintings were genuine, 892 00:42:27,180 --> 00:42:28,363 and which were not. 893 00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,150 The trash bags also gave police 894 00:42:33,150 --> 00:42:35,623 the name of John Myatt as the forger. 895 00:42:35,623 --> 00:42:37,430 (dramatic music) 896 00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:41,633 Early in September 1995, they raided his home. 897 00:42:44,190 --> 00:42:45,600 It was six o'clock in the morning 898 00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,090 when Jonathan Searle and a team of officers 899 00:42:48,090 --> 00:42:51,380 from Scotland Yard arrive at John Myatt's home 900 00:42:51,380 --> 00:42:53,250 deep in the English countryside. 901 00:42:53,250 --> 00:42:54,170 I was in bed. 902 00:42:54,170 --> 00:42:55,320 I opened the bedroom window, 903 00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,670 and looked down at the path and there they all were. 904 00:42:57,670 --> 00:43:00,953 I think he was half expecting a call from police. 905 00:43:00,953 --> 00:43:04,023 He knew it would come down the line someday or another. 906 00:43:05,110 --> 00:43:06,447 When they said, "This is Scotland Yard 907 00:43:06,447 --> 00:43:07,527 "Arts and Antiques squad, 908 00:43:07,527 --> 00:43:09,957 "we have a search warrant for these premises," 909 00:43:11,540 --> 00:43:16,140 yep, I just sort of went, click, that's it. 910 00:43:16,140 --> 00:43:17,370 Everything else is in the past now. 911 00:43:17,370 --> 00:43:19,360 This is a whole new thing from now on. 912 00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,320 Awful, terrible. 913 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,790 He put his hands at once, 914 00:43:22,790 --> 00:43:24,653 and he wanted to come alongside. 915 00:43:26,240 --> 00:43:29,137 They came in, and I remember saying, 916 00:43:29,137 --> 00:43:31,410 "Well, you know, have a look around," 917 00:43:31,410 --> 00:43:35,870 and funnily enough, there was a drawing of Sam on the wall. 918 00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:38,533 As soon as I walked into the kitchen, 919 00:43:39,550 --> 00:43:43,540 I saw a drawing on by the fridge, 920 00:43:43,540 --> 00:43:45,237 which had got telephone numbers written on it, 921 00:43:45,237 --> 00:43:48,427 and I knew, "Ah, this man can draw. 922 00:43:48,427 --> 00:43:51,670 "If he can draw, he's probably a good enough artist." 923 00:43:51,670 --> 00:43:55,060 Then I looked up the stairs, and I saw a Giacometti. 924 00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:56,111 We were there. 925 00:43:56,111 --> 00:43:59,187 (suspenseful music) 926 00:43:59,187 --> 00:44:01,313 And I showed them all over the house. 927 00:44:04,540 --> 00:44:06,950 They took paintings, and they took books, 928 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:09,560 I got a Giacometti up on the wall, they took that. 929 00:44:11,490 --> 00:44:12,647 Sam came downstairs and said, 930 00:44:12,647 --> 00:44:13,670 "Dad, who are all these people?" 931 00:44:13,670 --> 00:44:14,503 I said, "Oh, don't worry son, 932 00:44:14,503 --> 00:44:16,087 "they're building inspectors. 933 00:44:16,087 --> 00:44:17,337 "The house is freezing cold. 934 00:44:17,337 --> 00:44:19,517 "They're gonna put a central heating in or something." 935 00:44:20,490 --> 00:44:22,867 I said, "You just get on and do what you do, 936 00:44:22,867 --> 00:44:25,317 "I'm gonna stand outside and wait for the school bus." 937 00:44:27,338 --> 00:44:29,340 So I got Sam on the bus and came in, 938 00:44:29,340 --> 00:44:31,250 and they didn't make too much mess. 939 00:44:31,250 --> 00:44:33,540 They took filing cabinets and all the rest of it. 940 00:44:33,540 --> 00:44:34,597 Said, "Well, you'll have to come up 941 00:44:34,597 --> 00:44:37,057 "across to the police station in Stafford." 942 00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:42,110 All the time I'm thinking, "Damn this." 943 00:44:42,110 --> 00:44:44,920 I'm sort of cross and also frightened. 944 00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,301 I've never dealt with police in my life really. 945 00:44:47,301 --> 00:44:49,720 (tense music) 946 00:44:49,720 --> 00:44:52,193 We took all the paintings that we found, 947 00:44:53,246 --> 00:44:56,450 and there were a number of other bits and pieces, 948 00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:59,510 and we took them back to Stafford police station, 949 00:44:59,510 --> 00:45:01,660 and we did an interview at a caution there. 950 00:45:04,387 --> 00:45:06,117 "Yes, I do know John Drewe. 951 00:45:06,117 --> 00:45:08,317 "Yes I have painted some paintings for him." 952 00:45:09,230 --> 00:45:11,500 John Myatt knew the game was up, 953 00:45:11,500 --> 00:45:13,980 especially when confronted with a particularly 954 00:45:13,980 --> 00:45:15,870 incriminating piece of evidence. 955 00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:17,950 They'd confiscated my briefcase, 956 00:45:17,950 --> 00:45:20,010 and in this briefcase they got this letter, 957 00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:22,460 and this was a letter I'd written to John Drewe 958 00:45:22,460 --> 00:45:27,460 saying I think it's best that we stop doing what we're doing 959 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,900 because I'm fed up with it, and da da da da. 960 00:45:31,950 --> 00:45:33,333 And he said, "What's this letter? 961 00:45:35,017 --> 00:45:36,875 "You don't want to work with John Drewe anymore? 962 00:45:36,875 --> 00:45:39,375 "What do you mean you don't want to work with him? 963 00:45:40,307 --> 00:45:41,958 And I said, "Well." 964 00:45:41,958 --> 00:45:43,670 I was kind of spluttering, and thinking, "God," 965 00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:45,230 and they're saying all these things 966 00:45:45,230 --> 00:45:46,730 it's being taped all the time. 967 00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:51,610 So, they went on and they started telling me 968 00:45:51,610 --> 00:45:55,196 what they thought Mr. Drewe had been up to, 969 00:45:55,196 --> 00:45:58,100 and what they thought I'd been up to. 970 00:45:58,100 --> 00:45:59,560 It became pretty clear 971 00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:01,937 that they knew more about me than I did, 972 00:46:01,937 --> 00:46:03,920 and more about him than he did. 973 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,464 They knew everything, pretty much. 974 00:46:06,464 --> 00:46:09,410 (dramatic music) 975 00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:12,380 As soon as we had an interview with John Myatt, 976 00:46:12,380 --> 00:46:15,330 we knew exactly where we were going. 977 00:46:15,330 --> 00:46:17,410 We knew the depth of the problem. 978 00:46:17,410 --> 00:46:22,410 We knew we had, for example, approximately 200 fakes 979 00:46:22,890 --> 00:46:26,413 covering a large miscellany of artists. 980 00:46:28,150 --> 00:46:30,250 Myatt may have confessed, 981 00:46:30,250 --> 00:46:33,660 but it would still take time to nail John Drewe. 982 00:46:33,660 --> 00:46:38,660 John Drewe was a much harder nut to crack on this. 983 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,560 As the police honed in on Drewe, 984 00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:48,310 the focus of their inquiry moved across the Atlantic. 985 00:46:48,310 --> 00:46:51,180 (dramatic music) 986 00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:53,540 A reputable New York art dealer 987 00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:56,917 named Armond Bartos had a Giacometti. 988 00:46:56,917 --> 00:47:01,650 "Standing Nude" 1955, that he wanted to sell. 989 00:47:01,650 --> 00:47:05,270 A year earlier, he had approached Mary Lisa Palmer, 990 00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:08,130 asking her to authenticate the painting. 991 00:47:08,130 --> 00:47:10,940 For me, it was simple in a sense. 992 00:47:10,940 --> 00:47:13,330 For me, the painting was fake. 993 00:47:13,330 --> 00:47:14,810 Therefore, everything was fake, 994 00:47:14,810 --> 00:47:16,400 but then I had to prove it to people 995 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:17,900 who didn't want to believe it. 996 00:47:19,570 --> 00:47:21,030 Palmer warned Bartos 997 00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:24,060 to be extremely cautious about the painting. 998 00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:28,360 She had, after all, already exposed one fake Giacometti. 999 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,100 She played for time, while she did more research. 1000 00:47:32,100 --> 00:47:35,610 Meanwhile, Armond Bartos had decided to get his 1001 00:47:35,610 --> 00:47:38,693 own confirmation of the provenance of his Giacometti. 1002 00:47:39,610 --> 00:47:43,410 He hired a company called Art Research Associates 1003 00:47:43,410 --> 00:47:47,010 to investigate the authenticity of the provenance. 1004 00:47:47,010 --> 00:47:49,700 Little did he know, that the man he was paying 1005 00:47:49,700 --> 00:47:54,430 from Art Research Associates was none other than John Drewe, 1006 00:47:54,430 --> 00:47:57,822 the man who had forged the provenances in the first place. 1007 00:47:57,822 --> 00:47:59,770 (gentle music) 1008 00:47:59,770 --> 00:48:02,100 Armond Bartos flew to London, 1009 00:48:02,100 --> 00:48:04,993 and met Drewe at the Victoria and Albert Museum. 1010 00:48:06,060 --> 00:48:09,070 Mary Lisa Palmer heard about the Bartos visit, 1011 00:48:09,070 --> 00:48:12,163 and tipped off the police, who monitored the encounter. 1012 00:48:13,260 --> 00:48:15,210 It was a very sweet sting, 1013 00:48:15,210 --> 00:48:19,420 because not only had he sold through intermediaries, 1014 00:48:19,420 --> 00:48:22,550 Armond Bartos, a Giacometti new debut, 1015 00:48:22,550 --> 00:48:25,920 but now he was showing him his forgeries, 1016 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:28,750 to bolster up his claim that this was a genuine. 1017 00:48:28,750 --> 00:48:30,710 This shows that an honest dealer 1018 00:48:31,561 --> 00:48:34,950 like Armond Bartos can easily 1019 00:48:34,950 --> 00:48:37,677 be taken in by the fact these are cast iron provenances, 1020 00:48:37,677 --> 00:48:39,763 and the provenances were very, very good. 1021 00:48:40,850 --> 00:48:42,130 After the meeting, 1022 00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:44,440 police broke the news to Bartos 1023 00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:46,730 that he had been duped by Drewe. 1024 00:48:46,730 --> 00:48:49,740 The poor man was not very happy. 1025 00:48:49,740 --> 00:48:52,783 He was, I believe, quite angry at the time. 1026 00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:55,803 In fact, furious, understandably. 1027 00:48:57,970 --> 00:48:59,660 Police decided it was time 1028 00:48:59,660 --> 00:49:01,910 to pull in John Drewe. 1029 00:49:01,910 --> 00:49:03,910 Within days, they raided his house 1030 00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:07,030 in a wealthy town 20 miles from London. 1031 00:49:07,030 --> 00:49:09,683 John Drewe was very polite, courteous. 1032 00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:15,440 The surprising thing to me was the amount of evidence 1033 00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:19,860 that he had still got in his possession, 1034 00:49:19,860 --> 00:49:22,090 incriminating evidence in terms of 1035 00:49:22,090 --> 00:49:25,660 the seals which we had seen on various documents 1036 00:49:25,660 --> 00:49:28,000 he'd created, we found the seals. 1037 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,100 Typewriters that he used. 1038 00:49:30,100 --> 00:49:32,920 Even on the table in the living room 1039 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:34,510 were sets of documents that he was 1040 00:49:34,510 --> 00:49:36,633 in the process of actually preparing. 1041 00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:40,850 A huge amount of documentary evidence, 1042 00:49:40,850 --> 00:49:43,743 material objects had been preserved. 1043 00:49:44,940 --> 00:49:47,460 Drewe was taken to the local police station 1044 00:49:47,460 --> 00:49:49,950 where he denied everything. 1045 00:49:49,950 --> 00:49:51,250 He came across 1046 00:49:53,410 --> 00:49:56,930 as somebody who could quite convincingly 1047 00:49:56,930 --> 00:49:58,743 call black, white, and white, black. 1048 00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:03,220 He accepted and took on board all the exhibits at once, 1049 00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:06,070 but then proceeded to tell us that they were all genuine. 1050 00:50:07,070 --> 00:50:12,070 At the end of it he invited us all out for a drink, 1051 00:50:12,280 --> 00:50:15,103 on the grounds of how nice we'd been and pleasant. 1052 00:50:17,020 --> 00:50:19,090 The four month trial ended in London 1053 00:50:19,090 --> 00:50:21,800 in February 1999. 1054 00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:24,670 Drewe conducted his own defense. 1055 00:50:24,670 --> 00:50:26,420 It had its moments of sheer farce when, 1056 00:50:26,420 --> 00:50:28,627 I mean, I would turn around to him and say, 1057 00:50:28,627 --> 00:50:30,577 "What the hell are you doing, John? 1058 00:50:30,577 --> 00:50:31,947 "I mean, I know you're guilty. 1059 00:50:31,947 --> 00:50:33,027 "You know you're guilty. 1060 00:50:33,027 --> 00:50:34,057 "They know you're guilty. 1061 00:50:34,057 --> 00:50:35,407 "Everybody knows you're guilty. 1062 00:50:35,407 --> 00:50:36,720 "So why don't you just plead," 1063 00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,057 and the judge would say, "Mr. Myatt, 1064 00:50:38,057 --> 00:50:40,407 "would you please answer Mr. Drewe's question?" 1065 00:50:42,300 --> 00:50:43,370 I couldn't see the point. 1066 00:50:43,370 --> 00:50:44,920 We were gonna get found guilty, 1067 00:50:47,180 --> 00:50:49,213 and we were guilty. 1068 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,020 We were probably gonna go to prison. 1069 00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:56,493 The best thing to do was just straighten up your shoulders, 1070 00:50:57,370 --> 00:50:59,090 get your thumbs in line with the seam of your trouser, 1071 00:50:59,090 --> 00:51:02,040 and just take it on the chin, there was nothing else to do. 1072 00:51:03,340 --> 00:51:05,430 John Myatt pleaded guilty, 1073 00:51:05,430 --> 00:51:08,180 and was sentenced to one year in prison. 1074 00:51:08,180 --> 00:51:10,270 (dramatic music) 1075 00:51:10,270 --> 00:51:13,870 John Drewe maintained his innocence throughout, 1076 00:51:13,870 --> 00:51:15,230 but he was convicted, 1077 00:51:15,230 --> 00:51:17,503 and sentenced to six years in prison. 1078 00:51:20,716 --> 00:51:21,610 (gentle music) 1079 00:51:21,610 --> 00:51:23,970 Five years after leaving jail, 1080 00:51:23,970 --> 00:51:27,440 John Myatt had an exhibition in London's Mayfair, 1081 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:29,530 the home of the art establishment, 1082 00:51:29,530 --> 00:51:32,873 where his fakes had deceived so many for so long. 1083 00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:36,090 I've got a show in Central London, 1084 00:51:36,090 --> 00:51:37,490 the heart of enemy territory. 1085 00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:38,590 What am I going to do. 1086 00:51:40,670 --> 00:51:42,750 We had a dealer walking around here earlier on, 1087 00:51:42,750 --> 00:51:45,000 and he was obviously a dealer the pinstriped suit, 1088 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,440 and almost, not quite the dicky-bird, 1089 00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:49,520 but everything, the cashmere coat and so forth. 1090 00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,570 He walked around with his hands behind his back. 1091 00:51:52,570 --> 00:51:53,440 He just went out. 1092 00:51:53,440 --> 00:51:55,110 He looked at the little Matisse down there, 1093 00:51:55,110 --> 00:51:57,843 and he said, "Jolly good Matisse", and off he went. 1094 00:51:59,530 --> 00:52:00,363 Very nice. 1095 00:52:01,750 --> 00:52:03,390 Even the police responsible 1096 00:52:03,390 --> 00:52:06,670 for his demise wanted a genuine Myatt. 1097 00:52:06,670 --> 00:52:10,460 Jonathan Searle asked him to paint a family portrait. 1098 00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:14,090 He said, "Yes, yes, I'll do that for you," 1099 00:52:14,090 --> 00:52:17,123 and commissioned it for a grand. 1100 00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:21,320 And Charlie Hill has a Myatt too. 1101 00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:22,577 He sent this to me last week. 1102 00:52:22,577 --> 00:52:24,297 "To Charlie Hill, from John Myatt. 1103 00:52:24,297 --> 00:52:27,020 "Very best wishes for 2006 and beyond," 1104 00:52:27,020 --> 00:52:29,420 and he has signed it as John Myatt rather than Magritte. 1105 00:52:29,420 --> 00:52:31,670 It's amusing and it's well done, 1106 00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:34,142 and I like the man a great deal. 1107 00:52:34,142 --> 00:52:35,540 (gentle music) 1108 00:52:35,540 --> 00:52:37,880 The exhibition was a sellout, 1109 00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,540 and John Myatt thinks he knows why. 1110 00:52:40,540 --> 00:52:42,290 Most people will come in the right kind of spirit, 1111 00:52:42,290 --> 00:52:45,230 which is that it's a bit of fun. 1112 00:52:45,230 --> 00:52:46,603 It's a bit of a laugh. 1113 00:52:47,580 --> 00:52:50,490 Looking at a fake painting is a liberating experience. 1114 00:52:50,490 --> 00:52:54,540 You don't have to pretend to like a fake painting, 1115 00:52:54,540 --> 00:52:57,570 because it says, "Hello, I'm a fake painting." 1116 00:52:57,570 --> 00:53:00,400 You say, "Oh, you might not go with the curtains," 1117 00:53:00,400 --> 00:53:02,627 or, "My wife might not like that 1118 00:53:02,627 --> 00:53:04,180 "kind of little red blob in the corner." 1119 00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:06,700 You can't say that to a Van Gogh or a Monet, 1120 00:53:06,700 --> 00:53:09,770 because they're worth 25 or 30 million pounds. 1121 00:53:09,770 --> 00:53:13,720 So it kind of liberates you to make your own judgment, 1122 00:53:13,720 --> 00:53:15,646 trust your own judgment. 1123 00:53:15,646 --> 00:53:17,180 (gentle music) 1124 00:53:17,180 --> 00:53:20,070 But how much damage was done by Myatt and Drewe 1125 00:53:20,070 --> 00:53:22,493 in their years of fraud and forgery? 1126 00:53:24,020 --> 00:53:26,730 The most damaging aspect is that John Drewe 1127 00:53:26,730 --> 00:53:30,090 literally created and changed art history 1128 00:53:30,090 --> 00:53:33,993 by literally planting fake provenances in the archives. 1129 00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:39,389 So he changed the body of work of Giacometti, 1130 00:53:39,389 --> 00:53:44,030 and the other artists that Myatt faked, 1131 00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:48,570 and really damaging the sense of history and legacy. 1132 00:53:48,570 --> 00:53:50,690 (gentle music) 1133 00:53:50,690 --> 00:53:54,090 Of the 200 or so Myatt fakes, 1134 00:53:54,090 --> 00:53:57,020 only 72 have ever been found. 1135 00:53:57,020 --> 00:54:00,290 Two dozen Graham Sutherland crucifixes, 1136 00:54:00,290 --> 00:54:02,600 the 20 to 30 Giacomettis, 1137 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:07,380 a number of Ben Nicholsons, about two dozens, 1138 00:54:07,380 --> 00:54:09,053 a number of Chagalls. 1139 00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,900 We recovered a Clay, a small drawing, 1140 00:54:12,900 --> 00:54:15,020 quite a pretty little drawing. 1141 00:54:15,020 --> 00:54:17,173 Five Dubuffets. 1142 00:54:18,850 --> 00:54:19,683 And so on. 1143 00:54:22,380 --> 00:54:24,070 John Myatt though, 1144 00:54:24,070 --> 00:54:26,640 has no intention of letting on now, 1145 00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:30,820 which paintings are genuine, and which are Myatt fakes. 1146 00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:31,800 They're out there, 1147 00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:36,800 and they will blossom and flourish as leaves on a tree. 1148 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:39,530 Why not? 1149 00:54:39,530 --> 00:54:41,970 If anybody came back to me with one that I'd done, 1150 00:54:41,970 --> 00:54:44,760 and after 20 years I honestly wouldn't know for certain, 1151 00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,397 but I thought, I had, I would always say, 1152 00:54:46,397 --> 00:54:47,647 "No, I haven't seen this. 1153 00:54:48,737 --> 00:54:50,607 You know, if you come to me with one and say, 1154 00:54:50,607 --> 00:54:53,380 "Did you paint this 20 years ago," and I said, "Yes," 1155 00:54:53,380 --> 00:54:56,160 all that's happened is that you've lost a fortune. 1156 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:58,930 So, what's the point? 1157 00:54:58,930 --> 00:55:00,580 What is the point? 1158 00:55:00,580 --> 00:55:03,247 (upbeat music) 89241

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