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When my life took the turn
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that it took,
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I said to myself, "Everywhere
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that I go for the rest of my
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life, somebody is gonna walk
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up to me and say...you.'"
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And so a couple of days go by
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and nobody said...you."
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And then months go by and years
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go by, and I'm like...
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I always know when somebody
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wants to say...you,"
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but nobody does.
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Nobody ever does.
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So it took five years.
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I was staying in this
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rental house, called an Uber.
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He pulls up on the other side
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of the street
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right in front of the bar.
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We cross the street
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and this guy stands up,
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and he says, "Hey, Lance."
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And I'm like, "What's up, man?"
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And he goes...you!
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...you! ...you! ...you!"
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And the next thing you know --
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he's with like six or seven
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people -- they all stand up
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and start going...you!
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...you! ...you!
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You...cheater! ...you!"
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My friend says, "Get in the car
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right now," 'cause she's
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thinking, "He's about to walk
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over there and punch
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the...out of this guy,"
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which would have been obviously
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a really bad idea.
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And I would have done
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that most of my life.
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I was shocked and I was mad,
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and I was like,
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"I have to do something.
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I have to act. I'm me.
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Me, Lance Armstrong,
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doesn't just let...like that
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happen and not do something."
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Call the bar.
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"Here's my credit card number.
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Whatever they're eating,
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whatever they're drinking --
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I don't care what it is,
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how much it is, how expensive --
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it's on me, under one
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condition -- You have to go out
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there and say, 'Guys, Lance
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took care of everything,
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and he sends his love.'"
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I said, "Make sure you tell them
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that I send my love."
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Some people just can't chill
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the...out.
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They're pissed still,
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and they will be pissed forever.
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He does evoke a strong
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response.
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Positive or negative.
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He is a person that gets
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into people's heads.
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And he knows that.
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He likes that.
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It's just
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the core of his identity
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that he's able to do that.
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The talk out there is that
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this is basically something to
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feature Lance Armstrong's effort
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to resurrect his reputation,
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and that yours is going to be
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a fairly sympathetic portrayal.
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It would be hard for me
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to believe that Lance won't try
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to shape any narrative
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about him, including yours,
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including anyone he deals with.
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I'm not gonna lie to you,
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Marina, I'm not.
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And I'm not saying
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that they will.
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But I'm gonna tell you my truth,
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and my truth is not my version.
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My truth is the way
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I remember it.
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This case with the postal
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qui tam case, there are really
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three parties, right?
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There's me, there's
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the government and then there's
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the whistleblower,
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which is Floyd Landis.
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So, in order for the deal
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to go away or a deal to be made,
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all parties have to agree.
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So we have agreed
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and settled with the government.
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You know, they started
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eight years ago
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for 100 million bucks, and, you
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know, and we settled it for
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five.
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So it's still a lot of money,
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but I avoid the nuclear option.
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Which is?
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Well, which is potentially
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$100 million,
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which is a number I don't have.
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You know, each side has
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to be willing to make a decision
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they don't want to make.
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I went above and beyond that,
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and at some point
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you just have to stop.
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Why would you not want
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to go to trial?
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It's funny.
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Like, if -- it sounds --
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and it sounds stupid because
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if you believe in your case,
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you believe in your case
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and you think it's 100%.
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But they literally handicap
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these things.
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Like, okay, if they want
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$100 million, and there's a 10%
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chance you lose,
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then you should be willing to
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give them $10 million.
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They handicap it like that.
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So was there a 5% chance that I
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was gonna lose and get smoked?
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I mean, probably.
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Um...
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So, yeah.
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I never would've imagined I
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would've settled for that, but
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I'm happy that I did.
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So basically, what it means
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is we won't spend
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the month of May here.
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So I just got -- I just got
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a month of my life back...
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for $5 million.
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[ Chuckles ]
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The first time you
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ever doped, how old were you?
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[ Clears throat ] Wow.
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Straight into that.
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[ Chuckles ]
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The first time
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you ever doped?
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Oh, this is a sensitive
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topic.
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Um...
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[ Sighs ]
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You're gonna go there,
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right from the gun?
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[ Chuckles ]
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Probably...21.
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I had started doping,
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not extensively, but I had
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started doping by 1996.
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So I kind of got introduced
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to it from -- indirectly from a
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teammate.
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I knew it was either like
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join the club or go home
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and like finish school
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and go get a real job.
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There's a bunch of ways
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to define doping.
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The easiest way to define
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it is breaking the rules.
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Right, so were we getting
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injections of vitamins
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and other things
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like that at an earlier age?
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Yes, but they weren't illegal.
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So that, you know...
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But did you know?
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Know what?
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What was in those in --
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Oh, of course.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Come on.
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I'm not one of those guys.
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I was like, "Ooh.
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What do we have here?"
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I always asked, I always knew
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and I always made the decision
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on my own.
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Nobody said, "Don't ask.
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This is what you're getting."
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I never, ever would have gone
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for that.
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I educated myself on what was
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being given,
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and I chose to do it.
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[ Rain falling ]
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As a kid in Texas, you start
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with all the sports
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that everybody starts with --
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with football, baseball,
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basketball, soccer.
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I just wasn't good.
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I wasn't coordinated, I'm
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not -- I don't have great
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hand-eye coordination, I'm not
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fast.
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My mom said to me, "Why don't
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you join the swim team?"
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And I was like,
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"Well, I don't know how to swim"
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and 12 is late
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to join the swim team.
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I had to swim
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with the 6-year-olds.
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It was awful.
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It was -- It was just -- It was
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miserable.
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I cannot believe
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that I hung in there.
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I just didn't quit.
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And I never wanted to quit.
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I never came home like,
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"Mom, this is embarrassing.
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I'm swimming with 7-year-olds.
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I'm 12."
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If I do quit, then I don't
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start doing triathlons
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and I don't get on a bike.
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I caught on quickly,
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so I just kept moving up.
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It seemed like it was every week
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I was moving a lane over,
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moving a lane over.
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Until eventually I was,
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you know --
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Well, then eventually
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at the age of 14, then I was --
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I don't know -- I got like third
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at the Texas championships
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in the mile.
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I think he was 14 years old,
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and I met him at the swimming
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pool in Plano, Texas.
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We were in town for a big pro
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race, so we just found this
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pool -- it was kind of random --
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and there's this little guy.
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He jumped in our lane
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and was just looking at us
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the whole day, and then after
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we got done with our workout,
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he was just hanging around
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and checking us out
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and asking questions.
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I mean, you couldn't --
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he wouldn't be denied.
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In the water, it was
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unbelievable.
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He would just swim away from me.
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He was an amazing swimmer.
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Not a pretty swimmer -- a lot of
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water flying everywhere.
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But he was just really strong.
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Did Higgs tell you about this
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crazy thing we're doing up
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in Seattle there?
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September 23rd?
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Yeah.
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It sounds amazing.
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...crazy.
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Really? What is it?
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I've never done it,
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but it's like a swim run.
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But you have to swim
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with your running shoes,
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run with your wet suit.
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No!
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Like four miles of swimming,
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20 miles of running.
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Wow.
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That's why
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we're here right now.
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So we'd been training
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together almost a year.
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The President's Triathlon
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at the time was a big event.
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A lot of money,
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big invitational.
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So I knew the promoter,
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and I just said, "Hey, I've got
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this kid that I'm working with,
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and he's 15.
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I know that sounds ridiculous,
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but I would really like him
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to start the pro race."
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And this is the first time
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I've raced against Lance in a
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race where we start together.
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I never saw him.
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Out of the water way ahead of
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me, and then the story is --
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00:11:49,452 --> 00:11:50,385
of course, I'm not there,
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I'm behind, but I'm hearing
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all this stuff -- it's like
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he gets out of the water
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with the front guys.
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They were all looking
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00:11:57,059 --> 00:11:58,660
at me going, "What
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00:11:58,728 --> 00:11:59,561
is this kid doing here?
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Why is he coming
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out of the water ahead of me?"
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He's like talking to them,
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and they're like going, "Go
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away!"
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And I'm hearing these stories,
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00:12:07,470 --> 00:12:08,336
and at the end of the day,
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like, he ended up leading
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this race at one point.
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Like, he started -- I think
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he started the run out front
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by a long ways.
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And this is a 15-year-old kid
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with the best triathletes
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in the world.
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And it's so funny because
339
00:12:24,153 --> 00:12:25,654
I believe it was Mark Allen
340
00:12:25,721 --> 00:12:28,156
that won that race.
341
00:12:28,224 --> 00:12:30,258
It was Lance on television.
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00:12:30,359 --> 00:12:31,092
It was Lance
343
00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:31,993
getting the interviews.
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He was the story.
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00:12:35,831 --> 00:12:37,132
His life was never the same
346
00:12:37,199 --> 00:12:39,167
after that.
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00:12:39,235 --> 00:12:40,035
I like going out on
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the weekends and having fun
349
00:12:41,003 --> 00:12:42,804
with my friends.
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And I like girls, too.
351
00:12:45,508 --> 00:12:46,641
[ Chuckles ]
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Even from an early age, he
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00:12:50,913 --> 00:12:51,880
had that very A-type
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00:12:51,947 --> 00:12:53,548
personality.
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It was full throttle
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00:12:55,551 --> 00:12:56,951
all the time.
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If we went to go do something
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00:12:58,254 --> 00:13:00,855
it was -- he had to just do it
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00:13:00,923 --> 00:13:03,792
better or crazier.
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00:13:03,893 --> 00:13:05,293
If we lit one firecracker, he
361
00:13:05,361 --> 00:13:07,362
had to light 100 firecrackers.
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00:13:07,430 --> 00:13:09,698
It was just that constant --
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00:13:09,765 --> 00:13:13,468
that constant push at all times.
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00:13:13,536 --> 00:13:14,636
Four-point range.
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00:13:14,704 --> 00:13:15,303
Armstrong
366
00:13:15,371 --> 00:13:16,538
for the three-pointer.
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00:13:20,710 --> 00:13:21,910
That's what made it, I think,
368
00:13:21,977 --> 00:13:23,745
hard for a parent
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00:13:23,813 --> 00:13:25,180
is at an early age he had
370
00:13:25,247 --> 00:13:26,247
an idea of where he wanted to go
371
00:13:26,315 --> 00:13:27,182
and what he was gonna do,
372
00:13:27,249 --> 00:13:30,352
and there was no stopping that.
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When you're competing
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00:13:31,654 --> 00:13:32,821
on a professional level
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00:13:32,888 --> 00:13:33,822
with the pros,
376
00:13:33,889 --> 00:13:35,657
you've got competition.
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00:13:35,725 --> 00:13:40,662
And Lance is a very driven
378
00:13:40,730 --> 00:13:43,998
person, and he loves challenges.
379
00:13:44,100 --> 00:13:45,934
She always believed
380
00:13:46,001 --> 00:13:47,068
I could do anything.
381
00:13:47,136 --> 00:13:48,770
She wasn't a real disciplinarian
382
00:13:48,838 --> 00:13:49,204
either.
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I mean, I sort of did
384
00:13:50,673 --> 00:13:52,540
whatever I wanted to do, which
385
00:13:52,608 --> 00:13:54,376
is a miracle I'm not, like, a
386
00:13:54,443 --> 00:13:56,177
mass murderer at this point.
387
00:13:56,245 --> 00:13:57,445
But she was -- and she was
388
00:13:57,513 --> 00:13:58,947
young, I mean, we know that --
389
00:13:59,014 --> 00:14:00,548
everybody knows she was young.
390
00:14:03,819 --> 00:14:06,087
I was this young, young girl
391
00:14:06,155 --> 00:14:08,690
growing up in Texas.
392
00:14:08,758 --> 00:14:11,760
Drill team, homecoming princess
393
00:14:11,827 --> 00:14:12,694
and this and that.
394
00:14:12,762 --> 00:14:14,262
And I'm 16 years old,
395
00:14:14,330 --> 00:14:17,899
and I get pregnant.
396
00:14:17,967 --> 00:14:19,267
Not something your mom
397
00:14:19,335 --> 00:14:20,468
wants to hear about,
398
00:14:20,536 --> 00:14:23,071
but truly this was my salvation.
399
00:14:23,139 --> 00:14:25,740
And I gave birth
400
00:14:25,808 --> 00:14:28,543
to this 9-pound, 12-ounce --
401
00:14:28,611 --> 00:14:30,211
almost 10-pound baby boy.
402
00:14:30,279 --> 00:14:31,446
Came the day he was due
403
00:14:31,514 --> 00:14:35,750
when I was 17 years old.
404
00:14:35,818 --> 00:14:41,055
Golly darn, he was so cute!
405
00:14:41,123 --> 00:14:43,224
If you think about having me
406
00:14:43,292 --> 00:14:44,926
at 17, we really grew up
407
00:14:44,994 --> 00:14:48,596
together.
408
00:14:48,664 --> 00:14:50,064
When I was 5, she was 22.
409
00:14:50,132 --> 00:14:51,633
So, and, you know,
410
00:14:51,700 --> 00:14:55,470
when I was 20, she was 37.
411
00:14:58,908 --> 00:15:00,341
I didn't know anything about
412
00:15:00,409 --> 00:15:01,609
my biological father.
413
00:15:01,710 --> 00:15:03,645
I mean, he -- I knew his name.
414
00:15:03,712 --> 00:15:07,248
His name was Eddie Gunderson.
415
00:15:07,316 --> 00:15:08,516
But if somebody would have said
416
00:15:08,584 --> 00:15:10,118
to me, "Where does he live?"
417
00:15:10,186 --> 00:15:10,785
I would have said,
418
00:15:10,853 --> 00:15:11,753
"I don't know."
419
00:15:11,821 --> 00:15:15,290
And I didn't want to know.
420
00:15:15,357 --> 00:15:16,958
Not in a mean way, but I just --
421
00:15:17,026 --> 00:15:18,092
I wasn't interested.
422
00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:19,794
He chose to leave our lives
423
00:15:19,862 --> 00:15:21,796
and he never tried
424
00:15:21,864 --> 00:15:25,266
to come back into the lives.
425
00:15:27,336 --> 00:15:30,205
The marriage ended quickly.
426
00:15:30,272 --> 00:15:33,508
It was an abusive
427
00:15:33,576 --> 00:15:34,843
relationship, and again,
428
00:15:34,910 --> 00:15:36,211
it was just one of those
429
00:15:36,278 --> 00:15:38,513
situations that for the good
430
00:15:38,581 --> 00:15:40,014
of my son and myself
431
00:15:40,082 --> 00:15:41,683
I needed to move on.
432
00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:48,122
I had a date with Linda.
433
00:15:48,190 --> 00:15:49,324
I picked her up at her
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00:15:49,391 --> 00:15:51,793
apartment, and we went out to
435
00:15:51,861 --> 00:15:53,161
dinner.
436
00:15:53,262 --> 00:15:56,965
And we came home,
437
00:15:57,032 --> 00:15:58,700
and here was this little boy.
438
00:16:03,739 --> 00:16:05,907
I saw the picture in my mind
439
00:16:05,975 --> 00:16:11,813
of a family ready to go.
440
00:16:11,881 --> 00:16:13,481
I adopted Lance when, I believe,
441
00:16:13,549 --> 00:16:14,883
he was 3 years old.
442
00:16:14,950 --> 00:16:16,217
That's why Lance's last name
443
00:16:16,285 --> 00:16:20,054
is Armstrong, because when you
444
00:16:20,122 --> 00:16:21,823
adopt somebody, they change
445
00:16:21,891 --> 00:16:23,091
the birth certificate.
446
00:16:23,158 --> 00:16:24,559
So my name is on his birth
447
00:16:24,627 --> 00:16:26,828
certificate as the father.
448
00:16:29,999 --> 00:16:30,732
As I was growing up,
449
00:16:30,799 --> 00:16:32,400
she was married twice.
450
00:16:32,468 --> 00:16:34,235
And they were -- You know,
451
00:16:34,303 --> 00:16:35,904
they were okay guys.
452
00:16:35,971 --> 00:16:36,571
I mean, they were --
453
00:16:36,639 --> 00:16:38,539
they were not terrible.
454
00:16:38,607 --> 00:16:39,674
Terry Armstrong might have been
455
00:16:39,742 --> 00:16:41,042
kind of terrible.
456
00:16:41,110 --> 00:16:41,776
I mean, you talk
457
00:16:41,844 --> 00:16:42,777
about disciplinarian --
458
00:16:42,845 --> 00:16:44,045
I mean, if I left --
459
00:16:44,113 --> 00:16:45,346
if he said, "Don't leave your
460
00:16:45,414 --> 00:16:48,883
drawer open or you're gonna
461
00:16:48,951 --> 00:16:50,251
be in trouble," and sure enough
462
00:16:50,319 --> 00:16:51,686
I would leave a drawer open,
463
00:16:51,754 --> 00:16:52,921
and he would pull out his
464
00:16:52,988 --> 00:16:54,455
fraternity paddle and just beat
465
00:16:54,523 --> 00:16:55,890
the...out of me.
466
00:16:55,958 --> 00:16:57,292
It's like, if I did that, I
467
00:16:57,359 --> 00:16:58,593
mean, my kids would be getting
468
00:16:58,661 --> 00:16:59,928
spanked every minute of every
469
00:16:59,995 --> 00:17:01,229
day.
470
00:17:01,297 --> 00:17:02,597
Like, who cares
471
00:17:02,665 --> 00:17:05,934
if the...drawer is open?
472
00:17:06,001 --> 00:17:07,435
I was tough on him as far
473
00:17:07,503 --> 00:17:09,370
as cleaning his room up
474
00:17:09,438 --> 00:17:12,540
and, you know, being orderly.
475
00:17:12,608 --> 00:17:13,808
And Linda was always there
476
00:17:13,876 --> 00:17:17,111
when I -- when I did it.
477
00:17:17,179 --> 00:17:18,379
It wasn't a belt.
478
00:17:18,447 --> 00:17:20,114
There wasn't hitting him.
479
00:17:20,182 --> 00:17:21,416
It was just bend over
480
00:17:21,483 --> 00:17:22,617
and take your licks.
481
00:17:26,522 --> 00:17:29,757
That came from five years
482
00:17:29,825 --> 00:17:31,793
in a military school.
483
00:17:31,860 --> 00:17:33,061
Very regimented.
484
00:17:33,128 --> 00:17:37,632
So I was kind of by-the-book.
485
00:17:37,700 --> 00:17:39,334
The failure of my bringing up
486
00:17:39,401 --> 00:17:44,172
Lance...I was the taskmaster,
487
00:17:44,239 --> 00:17:45,807
but I didn't put my arms around
488
00:17:45,874 --> 00:17:47,442
him enough and tell him I loved
489
00:17:47,509 --> 00:17:49,143
him.
490
00:17:49,211 --> 00:17:50,578
I was always there,
491
00:17:50,646 --> 00:17:51,612
always coaching him,
492
00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,014
always pushing him,
493
00:17:53,082 --> 00:17:54,182
but I didn't show him the love
494
00:17:54,249 --> 00:17:56,017
that I should have.
495
00:17:59,154 --> 00:18:00,488
Lance would not be the champion
496
00:18:00,556 --> 00:18:02,790
he is today without me,
497
00:18:02,858 --> 00:18:04,325
'cause I drove him.
498
00:18:04,393 --> 00:18:06,127
I drove him like an animal.
499
00:18:10,366 --> 00:18:10,999
That's the only thing
500
00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:13,668
I feel bad about --
501
00:18:13,736 --> 00:18:16,037
did I make him too much
502
00:18:16,105 --> 00:18:17,538
win-at-all-cost?
503
00:18:21,744 --> 00:18:22,477
They were sort of done
504
00:18:22,544 --> 00:18:24,178
when I was around 15,
505
00:18:24,246 --> 00:18:25,513
which was great and fine
506
00:18:25,581 --> 00:18:26,314
and then it was back to me
507
00:18:26,382 --> 00:18:29,851
and my mom.
508
00:18:29,918 --> 00:18:30,718
I would always think about
509
00:18:30,786 --> 00:18:32,653
changing my name back to --
510
00:18:32,721 --> 00:18:34,022
I guess my biological name.
511
00:18:34,089 --> 00:18:36,791
But I never even began to start
512
00:18:36,859 --> 00:18:38,059
that process, so it couldn't
513
00:18:38,127 --> 00:18:39,961
have been that serious.
514
00:18:40,029 --> 00:18:41,029
And then at some point
515
00:18:41,096 --> 00:18:42,330
it's too late, you know, because
516
00:18:42,398 --> 00:18:46,200
by the age of 15, you know,
517
00:18:46,268 --> 00:18:47,301
I was already establishing
518
00:18:47,369 --> 00:18:50,538
myself and my career and "brand"
519
00:18:50,606 --> 00:18:51,539
or whatever that means,
520
00:18:51,607 --> 00:18:55,543
and so then it was too late.
521
00:18:55,611 --> 00:18:56,310
Plus it's a good name.
522
00:18:56,378 --> 00:18:57,512
I like the name.
523
00:18:57,579 --> 00:18:58,346
Lance Armstrong.
524
00:18:58,414 --> 00:18:59,647
I think that's a good name.
525
00:18:59,715 --> 00:19:00,248
It's better
526
00:19:00,315 --> 00:19:02,884
than Lance Gunderson.
527
00:19:02,951 --> 00:19:04,685
That's kind of a weird name.
528
00:19:11,093 --> 00:19:12,226
A lot of these races in
529
00:19:12,294 --> 00:19:13,995
the Texas or in the Southwest,
530
00:19:14,063 --> 00:19:15,563
you had to be minimum age
531
00:19:15,631 --> 00:19:17,331
to do a triathlon,
532
00:19:17,399 --> 00:19:18,366
you had to be 16.
533
00:19:18,434 --> 00:19:19,434
So we'd forge my birth
534
00:19:19,501 --> 00:19:22,603
certificate.
535
00:19:22,671 --> 00:19:24,405
I understand the reason
536
00:19:24,473 --> 00:19:26,007
for the certain age requirements
537
00:19:26,075 --> 00:19:27,208
because there's
538
00:19:27,276 --> 00:19:28,242
a lot of liabilities,
539
00:19:28,310 --> 00:19:29,010
they were gonna swim
540
00:19:29,078 --> 00:19:30,878
in a lake and this and that.
541
00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:35,049
But it meant so much to him.
542
00:19:35,117 --> 00:19:36,384
Get in, just enter and then
543
00:19:36,452 --> 00:19:37,185
kick their ass.
544
00:19:37,252 --> 00:19:38,453
Like, just win.
545
00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:40,788
So forge the birth certificate,
546
00:19:40,856 --> 00:19:42,423
compete illegally
547
00:19:42,491 --> 00:19:46,461
and beat everybody.
548
00:20:26,262 --> 00:20:28,129
That bully thing that has
549
00:20:28,197 --> 00:20:30,899
come up a lot in the rhetoric
550
00:20:30,966 --> 00:20:32,300
about him over the years,
551
00:20:32,368 --> 00:20:34,736
I mean, I saw that from day one.
552
00:20:38,340 --> 00:20:39,641
Bermuda was the biggest
553
00:20:39,708 --> 00:20:40,809
race in the world.
554
00:20:40,876 --> 00:20:43,077
Ridiculous prize list.
555
00:20:43,145 --> 00:20:44,078
Everybody was flown in.
556
00:20:44,146 --> 00:20:45,013
All the top triathletes
557
00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:48,483
were flown in.
558
00:20:48,551 --> 00:20:50,018
I rented him a scooter.
559
00:20:50,085 --> 00:20:52,320
My credit card.
560
00:20:52,388 --> 00:20:53,188
"This is how you get around.
561
00:20:53,255 --> 00:20:53,955
This will be fun
562
00:20:54,023 --> 00:20:57,492
if you want to go somewhere."
563
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,760
Well, he abused the scooter
564
00:20:58,828 --> 00:20:59,994
pretty bad.
565
00:21:00,062 --> 00:21:01,796
He didn't take care of it.
566
00:21:01,864 --> 00:21:02,997
He didn't bring it back
567
00:21:03,065 --> 00:21:04,499
when he should have.
568
00:21:04,567 --> 00:21:06,334
"Well, man, don't worry about
569
00:21:06,402 --> 00:21:06,968
it.
570
00:21:07,036 --> 00:21:08,703
Just don't worry about it."
571
00:21:08,771 --> 00:21:10,638
Like he's actually saying,
572
00:21:10,706 --> 00:21:12,707
"I can beat you, so there's
573
00:21:12,775 --> 00:21:15,310
nothing more you can do for me."
574
00:21:15,377 --> 00:21:16,878
And then I remember having
575
00:21:16,946 --> 00:21:18,513
a hard time with Linda on that.
576
00:21:18,581 --> 00:21:19,981
It's like, "Okay, Linda, take
577
00:21:20,049 --> 00:21:21,282
him to Bermuda, he's breaking
578
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:22,217
stuff, he takes no
579
00:21:22,284 --> 00:21:23,551
responsibility for anything and
580
00:21:23,619 --> 00:21:24,986
then he's mouthy and
581
00:21:25,054 --> 00:21:26,888
disrespectful."
582
00:21:26,956 --> 00:21:28,289
And she's like, "Well, you don't
583
00:21:28,357 --> 00:21:30,458
have any authority over him."
584
00:21:30,526 --> 00:21:31,292
I'm like, "You're the one
585
00:21:31,360 --> 00:21:32,861
that sent me there
586
00:21:32,928 --> 00:21:36,064
to be his chaperone."
587
00:21:36,131 --> 00:21:37,232
So I kind of got flicked
588
00:21:37,299 --> 00:21:39,901
at that point, and that stung.
589
00:21:39,969 --> 00:21:41,736
That stung a lot.
590
00:21:49,678 --> 00:21:53,481
I was the hot shot junior,
591
00:21:53,549 --> 00:21:57,051
the poster boy of USA Cycling.
592
00:21:57,152 --> 00:21:58,319
We were at the Olympic training
593
00:21:58,387 --> 00:22:00,188
center, and we started hearing
594
00:22:00,256 --> 00:22:02,891
stories about these two kids
595
00:22:02,958 --> 00:22:04,559
from Plano, Texas, that were
596
00:22:04,627 --> 00:22:06,928
triathletes.
597
00:22:06,996 --> 00:22:08,162
And I hear all these stories
598
00:22:08,230 --> 00:22:09,430
about this one kid
599
00:22:09,498 --> 00:22:13,201
in particular named Lance.
600
00:22:13,269 --> 00:22:15,169
And I'm like, "Okay, how good
601
00:22:15,237 --> 00:22:18,439
could this guy be?"
602
00:22:18,507 --> 00:22:21,676
Of course the coach pairs me
603
00:22:21,744 --> 00:22:24,512
with Lance for a 10-minute,
604
00:22:24,580 --> 00:22:25,346
two-man time trial,
605
00:22:25,414 --> 00:22:27,849
which is basically two guys
606
00:22:27,917 --> 00:22:29,417
swapping off as hard
607
00:22:29,485 --> 00:22:30,718
as you can go five minutes
608
00:22:30,786 --> 00:22:31,419
down the road,
609
00:22:31,487 --> 00:22:33,855
five minutes up the road.
610
00:22:33,923 --> 00:22:37,358
First segment was a tailwind.
611
00:22:37,426 --> 00:22:39,694
So we were going quite fast,
612
00:22:39,762 --> 00:22:42,130
and I wasn't impressed.
613
00:22:42,197 --> 00:22:43,197
I was like, "This is the guy
614
00:22:43,265 --> 00:22:44,799
that they're talking about?"
615
00:22:44,867 --> 00:22:47,068
I was just like,
616
00:22:47,136 --> 00:22:48,436
"Okay, you know,
617
00:22:48,504 --> 00:22:51,239
this was a lot of talk."
618
00:22:51,307 --> 00:22:52,473
But as soon as we turned
619
00:22:52,541 --> 00:22:53,942
around into the headwind,
620
00:22:54,009 --> 00:22:55,643
which is much harder,
621
00:22:55,711 --> 00:22:57,312
he started taking these pulls,
622
00:22:57,379 --> 00:22:59,814
and I was, like,
623
00:22:59,882 --> 00:23:01,316
absolutely on the rivet.
624
00:23:01,383 --> 00:23:04,085
I was faking it
625
00:23:04,153 --> 00:23:06,154
as good as I could,
626
00:23:06,221 --> 00:23:08,589
but when the horn
627
00:23:08,657 --> 00:23:10,892
was sounded from behind
628
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,327
and I'm just relieved
629
00:23:12,394 --> 00:23:14,095
that it's over,
630
00:23:14,163 --> 00:23:16,998
and he starts yelling at me,
631
00:23:17,066 --> 00:23:18,166
"Come on, you...
632
00:23:18,233 --> 00:23:19,901
Let's keep going.
633
00:23:19,969 --> 00:23:21,736
Let's keep going.
634
00:23:21,804 --> 00:23:26,007
I'm not done yet."
635
00:23:26,075 --> 00:23:27,675
I can barely stay on my bike now
636
00:23:27,743 --> 00:23:28,743
and this kid is basically
637
00:23:28,811 --> 00:23:31,779
just warming up.
638
00:23:31,847 --> 00:23:32,680
And you realize right then
639
00:23:32,748 --> 00:23:35,483
and there -- This kid
640
00:23:35,551 --> 00:23:38,119
is a totally different level.
641
00:23:38,187 --> 00:23:39,253
And I just happened to meet
642
00:23:39,321 --> 00:23:40,621
the strongest cyclist
643
00:23:40,689 --> 00:23:42,457
maybe of all time
644
00:23:42,524 --> 00:23:44,292
when I was 17 years old.
645
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,828
[ Laughs ]
646
00:23:46,895 --> 00:23:48,029
I don't -- I don't --
647
00:23:48,097 --> 00:23:48,863
I don't remember,
648
00:23:48,931 --> 00:23:51,366
but that's entirely possible.
649
00:23:51,433 --> 00:23:52,867
I might have called him a...
650
00:23:52,935 --> 00:23:56,037
but we're buddies now.
651
00:23:56,105 --> 00:23:57,805
But he wasn't -- he wasn't a --
652
00:23:57,873 --> 00:23:59,273
He was a whiner,
653
00:23:59,341 --> 00:24:00,475
but he wasn't a...
654
00:24:04,113 --> 00:24:05,380
I did one of the first races,
655
00:24:05,447 --> 00:24:06,714
bike races, pure bike races
656
00:24:06,782 --> 00:24:08,483
that he ever did.
657
00:24:08,550 --> 00:24:09,984
And we didn't know who he was.
658
00:24:10,052 --> 00:24:10,551
I didn't know
659
00:24:10,619 --> 00:24:11,452
what he looked like.
660
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,353
I didn't even know he was there
661
00:24:12,421 --> 00:24:12,887
at that race.
662
00:24:12,955 --> 00:24:13,955
I'd kind of heard a little bit
663
00:24:14,023 --> 00:24:16,724
about the legend.
664
00:24:16,825 --> 00:24:19,394
Right from the first 10 feet
665
00:24:19,461 --> 00:24:21,896
of the race we were full blast.
666
00:24:21,964 --> 00:24:24,298
I mean, we were going 35 miles
667
00:24:24,366 --> 00:24:26,868
an hour before, you know,
668
00:24:26,935 --> 00:24:29,704
before I'd even warmed up.
669
00:24:29,772 --> 00:24:31,572
As we were in
670
00:24:31,640 --> 00:24:32,540
the first miles of the race
671
00:24:32,608 --> 00:24:33,674
and we were going twice
672
00:24:33,742 --> 00:24:35,043
the speed that we would have
673
00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:36,344
normally at that section of
674
00:24:36,412 --> 00:24:37,078
road -- Bobby
675
00:24:37,146 --> 00:24:38,012
was my buddy back then.
676
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,080
And, you know, I rode up
677
00:24:39,148 --> 00:24:40,148
to Bobby and I'm like, "What is
678
00:24:40,215 --> 00:24:41,416
going on?"
679
00:24:41,483 --> 00:24:43,251
And, you know, he screamed back,
680
00:24:43,318 --> 00:24:45,420
and he was like, "That's Lance!"
681
00:24:45,487 --> 00:24:46,220
And, you know,
682
00:24:46,288 --> 00:24:47,321
and that's sort of in a way
683
00:24:47,389 --> 00:24:48,423
how I was introduced to Lance --
684
00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:50,591
as in that Bobby -- you know,
685
00:24:50,659 --> 00:24:51,526
Bobby said, "That's the guy
686
00:24:51,593 --> 00:24:52,360
you've been hearing about.
687
00:24:52,428 --> 00:24:55,763
That's why we're going so fast."
688
00:24:55,831 --> 00:24:57,498
Whoa.
689
00:24:57,566 --> 00:25:00,234
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
690
00:25:02,604 --> 00:25:07,108
[ Engine starts ]
691
00:25:07,176 --> 00:25:10,812
Okeydokey...slowpokey.
692
00:25:18,120 --> 00:25:19,087
Well, I graduated high school
693
00:25:19,154 --> 00:25:22,690
at 17 and then left right away.
694
00:25:25,360 --> 00:25:26,294
And came here or not?
695
00:25:26,361 --> 00:25:27,562
Drove -- Drove --
696
00:25:27,629 --> 00:25:29,564
Loaded up a U-haul and drove
697
00:25:29,631 --> 00:25:32,266
here.
698
00:25:32,334 --> 00:25:34,102
I was just making the transition
699
00:25:34,169 --> 00:25:36,370
then to full-time cycling.
700
00:25:36,438 --> 00:25:38,306
So no more tris, no more
701
00:25:38,373 --> 00:25:41,742
swimming, no more running.
702
00:25:41,810 --> 00:25:42,643
From a very young age,
703
00:25:42,711 --> 00:25:45,480
even on a little BMX bike
704
00:25:45,547 --> 00:25:47,548
I enjoyed the escape
705
00:25:47,616 --> 00:25:49,550
of being on a bike.
706
00:25:49,618 --> 00:25:51,385
I was just gonna give it a go
707
00:25:51,453 --> 00:25:53,254
and see what happened.
708
00:25:53,322 --> 00:25:59,227
I got my first -- I guess 1990
709
00:25:59,294 --> 00:26:00,394
was like my first contract
710
00:26:00,462 --> 00:26:03,831
with a cycling team.
711
00:26:03,899 --> 00:26:07,802
I made $18,000 a year.
712
00:26:07,870 --> 00:26:09,103
$1,500 a month.
713
00:26:09,171 --> 00:26:10,671
My rent was $300.
714
00:26:10,739 --> 00:26:14,509
I was like, "I'm...loaded.
715
00:26:14,576 --> 00:26:15,109
I'm loaded."
716
00:26:15,177 --> 00:26:17,111
I was saving money.
717
00:26:17,179 --> 00:26:18,513
And then I think the next year
718
00:26:18,580 --> 00:26:22,650
I made like $24,000.
719
00:26:22,718 --> 00:26:25,019
$2,000 a month.
720
00:26:25,087 --> 00:26:25,853
Then I got recruited away
721
00:26:25,921 --> 00:26:27,088
to go to Motorola, which was
722
00:26:27,156 --> 00:26:29,257
a big professional team.
723
00:26:29,324 --> 00:26:30,458
And then it was sort of
724
00:26:30,526 --> 00:26:32,593
off to the races.
725
00:26:32,661 --> 00:26:34,762
No pun intended.
726
00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,707
When I ride a bike,
727
00:26:46,775 --> 00:26:49,544
I can get in a faraway place,
728
00:26:49,611 --> 00:26:52,780
right, or space.
729
00:26:52,848 --> 00:26:54,982
I would think about my goals
730
00:26:55,050 --> 00:26:57,018
or my competition.
731
00:27:00,088 --> 00:27:01,188
And if it was an intense day,
732
00:27:01,256 --> 00:27:02,223
I'd have to -- In my mind,
733
00:27:02,291 --> 00:27:03,190
I would have to
734
00:27:03,258 --> 00:27:04,625
make up these little rivalries,
735
00:27:04,693 --> 00:27:05,626
even if they didn't exist.
736
00:27:05,694 --> 00:27:09,163
I'd just get my hate on.
737
00:27:09,231 --> 00:27:11,632
But then also think about plans.
738
00:27:11,700 --> 00:27:13,801
I would think about making plans
739
00:27:13,869 --> 00:27:15,303
or what my plan was
740
00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:20,341
in my sport, my future.
741
00:27:20,409 --> 00:27:22,877
Yeah, just sort of daydreaming.
742
00:27:28,083 --> 00:27:28,916
How old were you
743
00:27:28,984 --> 00:27:31,485
when you decided to use
744
00:27:31,553 --> 00:27:35,089
an illegal doping product?
745
00:27:35,157 --> 00:27:37,258
In terms of crossing the line
746
00:27:37,326 --> 00:27:38,492
into something that
747
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:40,227
if you would have admitted
748
00:27:40,295 --> 00:27:41,429
or could've tested positive
749
00:27:41,496 --> 00:27:43,030
for, then that -- that wouldn't
750
00:27:43,098 --> 00:27:45,032
have been until 21 years old.
751
00:27:45,100 --> 00:27:48,269
My first professional season.
752
00:27:48,337 --> 00:27:49,770
[ Indistinct conversations,
753
00:27:49,838 --> 00:27:50,605
gunshot ]
754
00:27:50,672 --> 00:27:52,840
Well, the gun goes and nobody
755
00:27:52,908 --> 00:27:54,108
is going to be in any particular
756
00:27:54,176 --> 00:27:55,743
hurry here to break away.
757
00:27:55,811 --> 00:27:57,078
They're expecting the best part
758
00:27:57,145 --> 00:27:58,412
of six and a half hours in the
759
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:00,548
saddle, and if these conditions
760
00:28:00,616 --> 00:28:02,016
do persist, then they are going
761
00:28:02,084 --> 00:28:04,518
to be very miserable indeed.
762
00:28:04,586 --> 00:28:06,220
At that time in the sport,
763
00:28:06,288 --> 00:28:07,355
it was cortisone
764
00:28:07,422 --> 00:28:08,956
or cortisone precursors
765
00:28:09,024 --> 00:28:09,790
or, you know, drugs
766
00:28:09,858 --> 00:28:11,525
that stimulate your body's
767
00:28:11,593 --> 00:28:12,893
own production of cortisone.
768
00:28:12,961 --> 00:28:14,195
Well, the hat has gone
769
00:28:14,262 --> 00:28:14,962
in the pocket.
770
00:28:15,030 --> 00:28:16,697
It's come down to very serious
771
00:28:16,765 --> 00:28:18,599
stuff now by the 21-year-old.
772
00:28:18,667 --> 00:28:20,034
He won't be 22 till the end
773
00:28:20,102 --> 00:28:21,469
of this year.
774
00:28:21,536 --> 00:28:22,803
He's one of the youngest-ever
775
00:28:22,871 --> 00:28:23,971
riders to win a world
776
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:25,706
championship at the professional
777
00:28:25,774 --> 00:28:27,475
level, and the gap
778
00:28:27,542 --> 00:28:28,976
is there for him now.
779
00:28:29,044 --> 00:28:30,378
It is there for Lance Armstrong,
780
00:28:30,445 --> 00:28:32,380
and surely that's big enough.
781
00:28:32,447 --> 00:28:33,781
Now he's looking back and seeing
782
00:28:33,849 --> 00:28:35,383
nobody as he becomes champion
783
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:36,550
of the world.
784
00:28:36,618 --> 00:28:38,252
Lance Armstrong, 21 years of
785
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,454
age, is America's second only
786
00:28:40,522 --> 00:28:42,923
world road race champion.
787
00:28:42,991 --> 00:28:43,991
I remember sitting
788
00:28:44,059 --> 00:28:46,394
with people in the stands
789
00:28:46,461 --> 00:28:47,461
and they're like,
790
00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:48,896
"Who is this kid
791
00:28:48,964 --> 00:28:50,998
Lance Armstrong?"
792
00:28:51,066 --> 00:28:51,966
Lance, you can't believe it
793
00:28:52,034 --> 00:28:54,068
what you've done?
794
00:28:54,136 --> 00:28:55,936
I can't believe it.
795
00:28:56,038 --> 00:28:56,637
On the last hill,
796
00:28:56,705 --> 00:28:57,672
I looked at my computer and
797
00:28:57,739 --> 00:28:58,839
said, "Maybe there's still one
798
00:28:58,907 --> 00:29:00,574
lap to go," but...
799
00:29:05,313 --> 00:29:06,447
That really kind of opened
800
00:29:06,515 --> 00:29:07,748
the doors
801
00:29:07,816 --> 00:29:10,851
and changed the next phase
802
00:29:10,919 --> 00:29:14,355
of his cycling career.
803
00:29:14,456 --> 00:29:15,923
He rides the roads of Texas
804
00:29:15,991 --> 00:29:17,425
virtually unnoticed, but
805
00:29:17,492 --> 00:29:18,859
Lance Armstrong went anything
806
00:29:18,927 --> 00:29:20,261
but unnoticed in the cycling
807
00:29:20,328 --> 00:29:22,963
world during 1993.
808
00:29:23,031 --> 00:29:24,765
This outspoken 22-year-old
809
00:29:24,833 --> 00:29:25,499
has not won
810
00:29:25,567 --> 00:29:27,334
any popularity contest,
811
00:29:27,402 --> 00:29:28,636
a fact not lost
812
00:29:28,704 --> 00:29:32,006
on the Motorola rider.
813
00:29:32,074 --> 00:29:32,807
The bottom line
814
00:29:32,874 --> 00:29:33,774
is I'm a competitor
815
00:29:33,842 --> 00:29:35,776
and I still like training hard
816
00:29:35,844 --> 00:29:39,046
and going out and kicking ass.
817
00:29:39,114 --> 00:29:40,147
I like that.
818
00:29:40,215 --> 00:29:41,849
And I got a lot more ass to
819
00:29:41,917 --> 00:29:43,951
kick, so...
820
00:29:44,019 --> 00:29:44,952
I mean, in that sense,
821
00:29:45,020 --> 00:29:46,053
I have to look forward to that.
822
00:29:46,121 --> 00:29:46,787
I have to look forward
823
00:29:46,855 --> 00:29:47,955
to going back to Europe
824
00:29:48,023 --> 00:29:49,390
and doing the big races
825
00:29:49,458 --> 00:29:50,891
and winning.
826
00:29:50,959 --> 00:29:51,625
Look out, world.
827
00:29:51,693 --> 00:29:52,460
Yeah, look out.
828
00:29:52,527 --> 00:29:53,461
I mean, there's a lot of races
829
00:29:53,528 --> 00:29:54,795
I haven't won.
830
00:29:54,863 --> 00:29:56,397
I'm not saying I'm gonna win
831
00:29:56,465 --> 00:29:57,998
every race in the world, but...
832
00:29:58,066 --> 00:29:58,899
You can try.
833
00:29:58,967 --> 00:30:00,234
I can try.
834
00:30:00,302 --> 00:30:00,801
Good luck.
835
00:30:00,869 --> 00:30:02,837
All right, man.
836
00:30:13,615 --> 00:30:15,649
At the time, cycling was
837
00:30:15,717 --> 00:30:17,017
a European sport.
838
00:30:17,085 --> 00:30:18,185
Very European.
839
00:30:18,253 --> 00:30:19,553
Not at all American.
840
00:30:19,621 --> 00:30:23,324
Still not, but more.
841
00:30:23,391 --> 00:30:26,827
I'm from Belgium.
842
00:30:26,895 --> 00:30:28,429
Belgians, they're hard workers,
843
00:30:28,497 --> 00:30:29,663
they're ambitious
844
00:30:29,731 --> 00:30:31,665
to a certain point.
845
00:30:31,733 --> 00:30:34,401
But not overly ambitious.
846
00:30:34,469 --> 00:30:36,003
The Belgians were always
847
00:30:36,071 --> 00:30:37,238
a little bit sneaky,
848
00:30:37,305 --> 00:30:40,107
a little bit clever.
849
00:30:40,175 --> 00:30:41,609
The Spanish
850
00:30:41,676 --> 00:30:45,179
are normally very calm.
851
00:30:45,247 --> 00:30:45,946
The Spaniards tend
852
00:30:46,014 --> 00:30:46,747
to be modest,
853
00:30:46,815 --> 00:30:51,886
humble, very unpretentious.
854
00:30:51,953 --> 00:30:55,256
Italians were, and are, loud,
855
00:30:55,323 --> 00:30:58,192
vain, outrageous showmen.
856
00:31:01,797 --> 00:31:02,596
Then the Germans,
857
00:31:02,664 --> 00:31:03,864
which are very organized
858
00:31:03,932 --> 00:31:08,702
and very, like, structured.
859
00:31:08,770 --> 00:31:11,739
And then you have the French.
860
00:31:15,010 --> 00:31:16,210
Yeah, I have to be very careful
861
00:31:16,278 --> 00:31:18,579
because I am German, but...
862
00:31:18,647 --> 00:31:20,114
the French are slightly
863
00:31:20,182 --> 00:31:22,316
superior.
864
00:31:22,384 --> 00:31:23,284
They think they are a little
865
00:31:23,351 --> 00:31:25,586
bit higher up
866
00:31:25,654 --> 00:31:27,254
than everybody else because
867
00:31:27,322 --> 00:31:29,924
they have the Tour de France.
868
00:31:29,991 --> 00:31:33,427
And then you have the Americans.
869
00:31:33,495 --> 00:31:34,728
I've never, never,
870
00:31:34,796 --> 00:31:37,398
never met more weird people
871
00:31:37,465 --> 00:31:39,633
than American cyclists.
872
00:31:39,701 --> 00:31:40,434
And I think there's
873
00:31:40,502 --> 00:31:42,403
an explanation for that, because
874
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:44,905
it's not your logical choice.
875
00:31:44,973 --> 00:31:46,140
American popular sports
876
00:31:46,208 --> 00:31:48,242
are basketball, football.
877
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:50,411
So, typically an American
878
00:31:50,478 --> 00:31:52,580
who chooses cycling
879
00:31:52,647 --> 00:31:54,782
is a guy who doesn't fit in.
880
00:31:58,253 --> 00:31:58,853
So you're a kid
881
00:31:58,920 --> 00:31:59,820
from suburban Dallas
882
00:31:59,888 --> 00:32:04,024
living on the shore of Lake Como
883
00:32:04,092 --> 00:32:06,327
surrounded by Renaissance
884
00:32:06,394 --> 00:32:09,096
Italian palaces and very wealthy
885
00:32:09,164 --> 00:32:10,264
Italian vacationers.
886
00:32:10,332 --> 00:32:11,632
It seems kind of out of step
887
00:32:11,700 --> 00:32:14,201
with where you came from.
888
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:15,436
Well, I always liked the
889
00:32:15,503 --> 00:32:16,203
water.
890
00:32:16,271 --> 00:32:18,372
[ Laughter ]
891
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:19,773
No, I got real --
892
00:32:19,841 --> 00:32:22,676
I mean, I -- I have had --
893
00:32:22,744 --> 00:32:23,611
the team is --
894
00:32:23,678 --> 00:32:25,613
most of the team lives in Como.
895
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,982
So we've sort of adjusted there
896
00:32:28,049 --> 00:32:29,450
real nicely.
897
00:32:29,517 --> 00:32:31,552
We race on that continent
898
00:32:31,620 --> 00:32:33,153
90% of the time.
899
00:32:33,221 --> 00:32:34,388
I have to live there.
900
00:32:36,558 --> 00:32:38,692
It was eye opening.
901
00:32:38,793 --> 00:32:40,160
I mean, I went from, you know,
902
00:32:40,228 --> 00:32:41,629
being a kid, everything kind of
903
00:32:41,696 --> 00:32:43,230
taking care of me to, hey,
904
00:32:43,298 --> 00:32:46,166
you've got to move to Europe,
905
00:32:46,234 --> 00:32:47,501
find a place to live,
906
00:32:47,569 --> 00:32:48,669
figure it out.
907
00:32:48,737 --> 00:32:51,739
Try to learn the language.
908
00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,806
We had a really cool
909
00:32:52,874 --> 00:32:55,075
American young network
910
00:32:55,143 --> 00:33:00,748
with myself, Lance, Frankie,
911
00:33:00,815 --> 00:33:04,351
Kevin Livingston, Bobby Julich.
912
00:33:04,419 --> 00:33:05,319
That was nice.
913
00:33:05,387 --> 00:33:07,021
We had our own little sort of
914
00:33:07,088 --> 00:33:10,491
American family away from home.
915
00:33:10,592 --> 00:33:11,725
Four of us were living
916
00:33:11,793 --> 00:33:13,594
in a three-bedroom apartment,
917
00:33:13,662 --> 00:33:14,762
so when everyone was there
918
00:33:14,829 --> 00:33:16,196
I was on the couch.
919
00:33:16,264 --> 00:33:17,398
And Lance had
920
00:33:17,465 --> 00:33:18,666
this beautiful house on the lake
921
00:33:18,733 --> 00:33:20,434
that he lived with by himself.
922
00:33:24,139 --> 00:33:25,272
And you know, you're an
923
00:33:25,340 --> 00:33:26,407
American, you're lonely,
924
00:33:26,474 --> 00:33:27,541
you want to hang out with people
925
00:33:27,609 --> 00:33:28,609
and speak your native tongue
926
00:33:28,677 --> 00:33:32,346
and, you know, have fun.
927
00:33:32,414 --> 00:33:33,948
Frankie was one of his
928
00:33:34,015 --> 00:33:38,052
closest friends.
929
00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,120
He was the only friend who could
930
00:33:40,188 --> 00:33:43,590
tell Lance no repeatedly, tell
931
00:33:43,658 --> 00:33:44,925
Lance how he was screwing up,
932
00:33:44,993 --> 00:33:47,061
tell Lance how he was getting on
933
00:33:47,128 --> 00:33:48,262
his nerves and he didn't have to
934
00:33:48,330 --> 00:33:49,396
worry about Lance cutting him
935
00:33:49,464 --> 00:33:51,565
off.
936
00:33:51,666 --> 00:33:53,033
Everybody else had to honor
937
00:33:53,101 --> 00:33:54,635
the ground that he walked on.
938
00:33:58,640 --> 00:33:59,306
When I was visiting,
939
00:33:59,374 --> 00:34:01,041
we went out for pizza.
940
00:34:01,109 --> 00:34:02,476
Lance, he was hungry, so
941
00:34:02,544 --> 00:34:04,945
he wanted his food right away.
942
00:34:05,013 --> 00:34:09,083
And so he started saying,
943
00:34:09,150 --> 00:34:12,252
"These f'ing Italians take so
944
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,222
f'ing long to get the food out."
945
00:34:15,290 --> 00:34:18,659
I said, "You're not in America.
946
00:34:18,727 --> 00:34:20,094
This is Italy.
947
00:34:20,161 --> 00:34:21,996
Eating is a little bit different
948
00:34:22,063 --> 00:34:22,463
here.
949
00:34:22,530 --> 00:34:24,431
It's gonna take a while.
950
00:34:24,499 --> 00:34:25,132
They understand
951
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:25,833
what you're saying."
952
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:28,102
He said, "I don't care."
953
00:34:28,169 --> 00:34:28,902
I speak a few words
954
00:34:28,970 --> 00:34:30,838
of Italian, but it's rough.
955
00:34:30,905 --> 00:34:31,805
I mean, when you go somewhere
956
00:34:31,873 --> 00:34:33,640
and you just can't get your
957
00:34:33,708 --> 00:34:34,308
point across.
958
00:34:34,376 --> 00:34:35,909
It's very frustrating.
959
00:35:30,548 --> 00:35:31,682
In America, it's the
960
00:35:31,750 --> 00:35:32,750
World Series.
961
00:35:32,817 --> 00:35:33,817
In England, it's the soccer
962
00:35:33,885 --> 00:35:34,451
Cup Final.
963
00:35:34,519 --> 00:35:35,185
In France, it's the
964
00:35:35,253 --> 00:35:36,253
Tour de France.
965
00:35:36,321 --> 00:35:37,654
The emphasis is on endurance
966
00:35:37,722 --> 00:35:38,756
as the world's hardiest
967
00:35:38,823 --> 00:35:41,759
bicyclists travel 3,000 miles.
968
00:35:41,826 --> 00:35:42,960
Mountains, rough roads
969
00:35:43,028 --> 00:35:44,194
and hairpin curves
970
00:35:44,262 --> 00:35:46,497
add to the hardship.
971
00:35:51,202 --> 00:35:52,603
The first Tour de France
972
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:56,006
was in 1903.
973
00:35:56,107 --> 00:35:57,474
It was born as like a
974
00:35:57,542 --> 00:35:59,176
promotional scheme for
975
00:35:59,244 --> 00:36:00,878
newspapers to get attention in
976
00:36:00,945 --> 00:36:01,812
the summer.
977
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:02,613
And so the whole thing
978
00:36:02,680 --> 00:36:03,680
was like concocted
979
00:36:03,748 --> 00:36:06,150
as this circus at the boundary
980
00:36:06,217 --> 00:36:09,686
of human performance.
981
00:36:09,754 --> 00:36:11,522
At first the people that
982
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:13,357
competed at the Tour de France,
983
00:36:13,425 --> 00:36:14,825
they were working in mines
984
00:36:14,893 --> 00:36:16,326
and it was a dirty sport.
985
00:36:16,394 --> 00:36:17,961
It was rough.
986
00:36:18,029 --> 00:36:19,730
It was for people that are used
987
00:36:19,798 --> 00:36:24,701
to working physically very hard.
988
00:36:24,769 --> 00:36:26,370
Cycling was a
989
00:36:26,438 --> 00:36:28,372
working-class sport.
990
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:29,673
People felt as though they could
991
00:36:29,741 --> 00:36:32,009
really identify with the riders
992
00:36:32,077 --> 00:36:34,812
because the riders were the sons
993
00:36:34,879 --> 00:36:36,713
of farmers and factory workers.
994
00:36:36,781 --> 00:36:38,182
The kind of people that
995
00:36:38,249 --> 00:36:39,917
they would have contact with
996
00:36:39,984 --> 00:36:42,519
on a daily basis.
997
00:36:42,587 --> 00:36:45,155
[ Speaking French ]
998
00:37:00,839 --> 00:37:02,973
[ Speaking Italian ]
999
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:19,923
The Tour de France is hard
1000
00:37:19,991 --> 00:37:20,891
to explain to the average
1001
00:37:20,959 --> 00:37:22,426
person.
1002
00:37:22,494 --> 00:37:23,227
You need to see it.
1003
00:37:23,294 --> 00:37:24,394
You need to breathe it
1004
00:37:24,462 --> 00:37:25,596
and live it one time to
1005
00:37:25,663 --> 00:37:30,634
understand how nuts it truly is.
1006
00:37:30,702 --> 00:37:31,768
It's arguably the world's
1007
00:37:31,836 --> 00:37:34,638
most difficult athletic event.
1008
00:37:34,706 --> 00:37:39,209
It's 21 days, over 2,500 miles,
1009
00:37:39,277 --> 00:37:39,943
on some of the world's
1010
00:37:40,011 --> 00:37:42,446
most punishing roads.
1011
00:37:42,514 --> 00:37:43,780
It's like running a marathon
1012
00:37:43,848 --> 00:37:46,550
every day for three weeks.
1013
00:37:50,421 --> 00:37:51,488
The peloton can be a pretty
1014
00:37:51,556 --> 00:37:53,957
scary place.
1015
00:37:54,025 --> 00:37:56,126
The peloton is essentially
1016
00:37:56,194 --> 00:37:56,994
the group of cyclists
1017
00:37:57,061 --> 00:37:59,463
that ride a race.
1018
00:37:59,531 --> 00:38:00,597
It looks like an amoeba,
1019
00:38:00,665 --> 00:38:02,833
but it's traveling at the speed
1020
00:38:02,901 --> 00:38:05,469
of a high-speed train.
1021
00:38:05,537 --> 00:38:07,070
Riders will be within
1022
00:38:07,138 --> 00:38:08,672
a few millimeters of each other
1023
00:38:08,740 --> 00:38:09,573
and a few millimeters
1024
00:38:09,641 --> 00:38:10,841
of crashing.
1025
00:38:10,909 --> 00:38:12,509
A moment's inattention
1026
00:38:12,577 --> 00:38:14,244
can bring the whole thing down.
1027
00:38:14,312 --> 00:38:15,646
The shoulder -- Oh!
1028
00:38:15,713 --> 00:38:16,647
There's a crash!
1029
00:38:16,714 --> 00:38:17,981
He's hit a wheel and has gone
1030
00:38:18,049 --> 00:38:19,416
down...
1031
00:38:19,517 --> 00:38:20,784
When it's game on, it's the
1032
00:38:20,852 --> 00:38:23,987
most intense pain and suffering.
1033
00:38:24,055 --> 00:38:25,455
Like, I mean, you're at
1034
00:38:25,523 --> 00:38:26,990
the absolute maximum and you're
1035
00:38:27,058 --> 00:38:28,091
in the best shape of your life.
1036
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:29,326
Everyone is at the absolute
1037
00:38:29,394 --> 00:38:30,861
maximum.
1038
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:32,195
And you're going as fast
1039
00:38:32,263 --> 00:38:33,096
as everybody can.
1040
00:38:33,164 --> 00:38:34,464
And there's gonna be crashes.
1041
00:38:34,532 --> 00:38:35,465
Everyone knows there's going
1042
00:38:35,533 --> 00:38:36,199
to be crashes.
1043
00:38:36,267 --> 00:38:38,368
It creates nervous energy.
1044
00:38:38,436 --> 00:38:39,436
Like, it's just like,
1045
00:38:39,504 --> 00:38:40,971
"There's gonna be a crash.
1046
00:38:41,039 --> 00:38:42,139
Who's gonna be in it?"
1047
00:38:42,206 --> 00:38:43,340
There's helicopters.
1048
00:38:43,408 --> 00:38:45,475
There's police on motorcycles
1049
00:38:45,543 --> 00:38:46,877
trying to get by honking.
1050
00:38:46,945 --> 00:38:48,512
There's cars behind you.
1051
00:38:48,580 --> 00:38:51,381
Like, it's so many variables
1052
00:38:51,449 --> 00:38:52,649
happening at once.
1053
00:38:52,717 --> 00:38:55,218
It's traumatic.
1054
00:38:55,286 --> 00:38:57,287
[ Chuckles ]
1055
00:38:57,355 --> 00:38:59,122
Yeah.
1056
00:38:59,190 --> 00:39:01,024
It's such an intensely
1057
00:39:01,092 --> 00:39:03,293
dangerous sport.
1058
00:39:03,361 --> 00:39:05,562
We're going down hills
1059
00:39:05,630 --> 00:39:06,730
in the Alps on roads
1060
00:39:06,798 --> 00:39:07,698
that are five feet,
1061
00:39:07,765 --> 00:39:09,166
six feet wide
1062
00:39:09,233 --> 00:39:12,469
at 60 miles an hour in the rain,
1063
00:39:12,537 --> 00:39:13,704
on little tiny bikes
1064
00:39:13,771 --> 00:39:15,205
with very skinny wheels
1065
00:39:15,273 --> 00:39:17,641
and dressed in essentially
1066
00:39:17,709 --> 00:39:18,342
what's the equivalent
1067
00:39:18,409 --> 00:39:20,877
of your underwear.
1068
00:39:20,945 --> 00:39:22,312
Everyone is willing
1069
00:39:22,380 --> 00:39:24,715
to risk their life to win.
1070
00:39:28,786 --> 00:39:30,320
If we were seriously
1071
00:39:30,388 --> 00:39:32,389
concerned about our health,
1072
00:39:32,457 --> 00:39:33,023
then we would find
1073
00:39:33,091 --> 00:39:36,860
another sport.
1074
00:39:36,928 --> 00:39:37,728
So in that sense,
1075
00:39:37,795 --> 00:39:38,996
it's not a valid argument
1076
00:39:39,063 --> 00:39:40,864
saying that doping is dangerous
1077
00:39:40,932 --> 00:39:41,865
because we are risking our lives
1078
00:39:41,933 --> 00:39:45,335
every day anyways.
1079
00:39:45,403 --> 00:39:47,904
The whole idea of riding
1080
00:39:47,972 --> 00:39:49,106
that far over three weeks
1081
00:39:49,173 --> 00:39:51,074
is vaguely ridiculous,
1082
00:39:51,142 --> 00:39:52,442
and so to do it
1083
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:54,378
at the highest level, people
1084
00:39:54,445 --> 00:39:56,613
have always just sought
1085
00:39:56,681 --> 00:40:00,517
additional help to get it done.
1086
00:40:00,585 --> 00:40:01,518
There was a period
1087
00:40:01,586 --> 00:40:02,185
in the sport
1088
00:40:02,253 --> 00:40:03,220
where people started to learn
1089
00:40:03,287 --> 00:40:04,454
that you could do things
1090
00:40:04,522 --> 00:40:06,857
to enhance your performance.
1091
00:40:06,924 --> 00:40:08,125
But this was before it was
1092
00:40:08,192 --> 00:40:10,427
considered to be cheating.
1093
00:40:10,495 --> 00:40:11,728
And there were no morals
1094
00:40:11,796 --> 00:40:12,896
and ethics around this.
1095
00:40:12,964 --> 00:40:14,297
They were still figuring it out,
1096
00:40:14,365 --> 00:40:18,769
and we forget that now.
1097
00:40:18,870 --> 00:40:19,936
And there are periods where
1098
00:40:20,004 --> 00:40:21,271
nobody frowned upon
1099
00:40:21,339 --> 00:40:22,739
taking external substances
1100
00:40:22,807 --> 00:40:24,074
to improve your performance.
1101
00:40:24,142 --> 00:40:24,941
It was not considered
1102
00:40:25,009 --> 00:40:27,811
to be doping.
1103
00:40:27,879 --> 00:40:29,479
It was just ingrained
1104
00:40:29,547 --> 00:40:31,982
in the culture of the sport,
1105
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:33,083
you know, up until the time
1106
00:40:33,151 --> 00:40:35,085
that I got there from Plano,
1107
00:40:35,153 --> 00:40:37,587
Texas, and I was like, "Hmm."
1108
00:40:37,655 --> 00:40:38,955
At that time, there
1109
00:40:39,023 --> 00:40:40,090
was Russian rider
1110
00:40:40,158 --> 00:40:41,258
on this Italian team.
1111
00:40:41,325 --> 00:40:43,427
And he was like my age or 23
1112
00:40:43,494 --> 00:40:45,395
or so, and I said to him,
1113
00:40:45,463 --> 00:40:46,496
"Look, do you think actually
1114
00:40:46,564 --> 00:40:47,664
that it's really fair what
1115
00:40:47,732 --> 00:40:48,965
we're doing, like ethically?"
1116
00:40:49,033 --> 00:40:51,935
And he said, "Look, I'm 23,
1117
00:40:52,003 --> 00:40:53,103
I'm living in Italy,
1118
00:40:53,171 --> 00:40:55,472
I'm normally from Siberia
1119
00:40:55,540 --> 00:40:58,575
and I have two kids.
1120
00:40:58,643 --> 00:41:02,679
What should I do?"
1121
00:41:02,747 --> 00:41:04,614
Painkillers, cocaine,
1122
00:41:04,682 --> 00:41:06,783
amphetamines.
1123
00:41:06,851 --> 00:41:07,684
People have taken every
1124
00:41:07,752 --> 00:41:10,520
imaginable drug during the Tour
1125
00:41:10,588 --> 00:41:12,355
and pushed the limits
1126
00:41:12,423 --> 00:41:14,357
of what's ethical
1127
00:41:14,425 --> 00:41:18,128
since the sport began.
1128
00:41:18,229 --> 00:41:20,030
The real dynamic of the race
1129
00:41:20,098 --> 00:41:24,701
changed when Amgen developed
1130
00:41:24,769 --> 00:41:27,437
synthetic erythropoietin, EPO.
1131
00:41:32,610 --> 00:41:34,478
That drug suddenly
1132
00:41:34,545 --> 00:41:35,979
increases your body's ability
1133
00:41:36,047 --> 00:41:38,548
to transport oxygen by raising
1134
00:41:38,616 --> 00:41:43,487
the red blood cell count.
1135
00:41:43,554 --> 00:41:47,290
The rumors of EPO
1136
00:41:47,358 --> 00:41:48,658
began in '93.
1137
00:41:48,726 --> 00:41:52,395
I mean, that plague began
1138
00:41:52,463 --> 00:41:55,232
in the late '80s truly.
1139
00:41:55,299 --> 00:41:56,666
People were scared of it.
1140
00:41:56,734 --> 00:42:00,003
There was all these ideas
1141
00:42:00,071 --> 00:42:01,872
that people were dying from it.
1142
00:42:07,445 --> 00:42:08,245
And then I won the world
1143
00:42:08,312 --> 00:42:12,349
championships in '93 somehow.
1144
00:42:12,416 --> 00:42:13,250
Wore the rainbow jersey
1145
00:42:13,317 --> 00:42:15,652
through '94.
1146
00:42:15,720 --> 00:42:19,489
I got my ass kicked every day.
1147
00:42:19,557 --> 00:42:20,857
All year long.
1148
00:42:20,925 --> 00:42:21,892
Wearing the world champion's
1149
00:42:21,959 --> 00:42:25,328
jersey.
1150
00:42:25,396 --> 00:42:26,596
We had already been dabbling
1151
00:42:26,664 --> 00:42:29,032
in low-octane,
1152
00:42:29,100 --> 00:42:29,833
you know, whatever it was,
1153
00:42:29,901 --> 00:42:32,169
cortisone, whatever was around.
1154
00:42:32,236 --> 00:42:34,171
But EPO was a whole
1155
00:42:34,238 --> 00:42:39,509
nother level.
1156
00:42:39,577 --> 00:42:40,944
The performance benefits were
1157
00:42:41,012 --> 00:42:43,613
so great that the sport
1158
00:42:43,681 --> 00:42:45,048
went from low-octane doping,
1159
00:42:45,116 --> 00:42:46,850
which had always existed, to
1160
00:42:46,918 --> 00:42:49,252
this really high-octane
1161
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:50,887
rocket fuel.
1162
00:42:50,955 --> 00:42:51,788
And so that was
1163
00:42:51,856 --> 00:42:55,792
the decision we had to make.
1164
00:42:55,860 --> 00:42:57,060
This Italian team
1165
00:42:57,128 --> 00:43:02,432
Gewiss completely dominated.
1166
00:43:02,533 --> 00:43:03,466
The Gewiss-Ballan team,
1167
00:43:03,534 --> 00:43:04,968
they had some fantastic years
1168
00:43:05,036 --> 00:43:09,406
from '93 to '95 and basically
1169
00:43:09,473 --> 00:43:12,475
won everything they touched.
1170
00:43:12,543 --> 00:43:14,911
People were like,
1171
00:43:14,979 --> 00:43:16,213
"Who the...is training
1172
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,149
these guys?"
1173
00:43:19,217 --> 00:43:21,818
That was Ferrari's coming out.
1174
00:43:21,886 --> 00:43:24,588
[ Speaking Italian ]
1175
00:43:38,169 --> 00:43:40,770
EPO was like wildfire,
1176
00:43:40,838 --> 00:43:42,272
and we still didn't.
1177
00:43:42,340 --> 00:43:45,675
We refused.
1178
00:43:45,743 --> 00:43:47,811
Nobody on Motorola '94 made
1179
00:43:47,879 --> 00:43:48,678
that leap.
1180
00:43:48,746 --> 00:43:50,780
All the way through the year,
1181
00:43:50,848 --> 00:43:53,516
had no results.
1182
00:43:53,584 --> 00:43:58,188
'95, um...it's even crazier.
1183
00:43:58,256 --> 00:44:02,158
Like, it's just everywhere.
1184
00:44:02,226 --> 00:44:03,426
Lance Armstrong was
1185
00:44:03,494 --> 00:44:04,694
the last American to win
1186
00:44:04,762 --> 00:44:06,196
a stage in the Tour de France.
1187
00:44:06,264 --> 00:44:07,697
That was 1993.
1188
00:44:07,765 --> 00:44:08,965
Now here he is trying to get
1189
00:44:09,033 --> 00:44:12,269
position on Serguei Outschakov.
1190
00:44:12,336 --> 00:44:14,604
The gap is now 35 seconds,
1191
00:44:14,672 --> 00:44:15,772
and that is big enough
1192
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,107
I would think for these two
1193
00:44:17,174 --> 00:44:18,541
to decide this stage
1194
00:44:18,609 --> 00:44:20,477
of the Tour de France together.
1195
00:44:25,683 --> 00:44:26,316
Armstrong is in
1196
00:44:26,384 --> 00:44:27,284
a developmental phase
1197
00:44:27,351 --> 00:44:28,318
of his career.
1198
00:44:28,386 --> 00:44:29,185
He's only 23.
1199
00:44:29,253 --> 00:44:30,053
He admits he's made
1200
00:44:30,121 --> 00:44:31,721
some mistakes in this Tour.
1201
00:44:31,789 --> 00:44:32,555
He's aware of the pressure
1202
00:44:32,623 --> 00:44:33,957
there is on him to excel --
1203
00:44:34,025 --> 00:44:37,894
some of it self-imposed.
1204
00:44:37,962 --> 00:44:38,895
Lance has him where he
1205
00:44:38,963 --> 00:44:40,297
wants him now and he's not going
1206
00:44:40,364 --> 00:44:41,631
to come by him again
1207
00:44:41,699 --> 00:44:43,066
until he goes for the gears
1208
00:44:43,134 --> 00:44:44,534
and gives him just about all the
1209
00:44:44,602 --> 00:44:46,503
speed he has left in those legs
1210
00:44:46,570 --> 00:44:47,337
after what has been
1211
00:44:47,405 --> 00:44:48,972
a tremendously long day
1212
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,906
in the saddle
1213
00:44:49,974 --> 00:44:51,908
for all of the breakaway.
1214
00:44:51,976 --> 00:44:53,310
Outschakov is gonna ride
1215
00:44:53,377 --> 00:44:54,711
close to the barriers on the
1216
00:44:54,779 --> 00:44:56,313
left so Armstrong must come over
1217
00:44:56,380 --> 00:44:57,414
on his right shoulder.
1218
00:44:57,481 --> 00:44:58,748
Give him one way.
1219
00:44:58,816 --> 00:45:00,383
Armstrong now begins to make his
1220
00:45:00,451 --> 00:45:00,817
move.
1221
00:45:00,885 --> 00:45:02,419
Outschakov goes immediately
1222
00:45:02,486 --> 00:45:03,086
but goes right
1223
00:45:03,154 --> 00:45:03,920
to the center of the road.
1224
00:45:03,988 --> 00:45:05,188
Armstrong holding the back wheel
1225
00:45:05,256 --> 00:45:06,156
of Outschakov.
1226
00:45:06,223 --> 00:45:07,190
Very shortly Armstrong
1227
00:45:07,258 --> 00:45:08,091
is going to have to kick,
1228
00:45:08,159 --> 00:45:09,659
but I don't think he's got it.
1229
00:45:09,727 --> 00:45:11,261
Outschakov has everything.
1230
00:45:11,329 --> 00:45:13,330
Outschakov takes it on the line.
1231
00:45:13,397 --> 00:45:14,864
Armstrong will be very,
1232
00:45:14,932 --> 00:45:16,232
very annoyed about that,
1233
00:45:16,300 --> 00:45:20,770
but he never had it on the line.
1234
00:45:20,838 --> 00:45:22,872
That was terrible.
1235
00:45:22,940 --> 00:45:24,374
It's just terrible.
1236
00:45:24,442 --> 00:45:24,941
[ Chuckles ]
1237
00:45:25,009 --> 00:45:27,177
I mean, I really feel bad.
1238
00:45:27,244 --> 00:45:27,777
I can't tell you
1239
00:45:27,845 --> 00:45:29,746
how disappointed I am.
1240
00:45:29,814 --> 00:45:31,181
I didn't --
1241
00:45:31,248 --> 00:45:32,182
I was out there 200 K's,
1242
00:45:32,249 --> 00:45:33,450
and every 200 of them,
1243
00:45:33,517 --> 00:45:35,418
every one of them, I thought
1244
00:45:35,486 --> 00:45:36,920
for sure I was gonna win.
1245
00:45:36,988 --> 00:45:38,922
And to get second is...
1246
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:43,059
it's devastating.
1247
00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:44,094
I think it's a learning
1248
00:45:44,161 --> 00:45:46,029
experience for him here this
1249
00:45:46,097 --> 00:45:47,597
year, and we're on our mission
1250
00:45:47,665 --> 00:45:49,232
and our objective to finish the
1251
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:50,467
race.
1252
00:45:50,568 --> 00:45:51,568
So I don't think that
1253
00:45:51,635 --> 00:45:52,602
Lance is doing anything
1254
00:45:52,670 --> 00:45:54,471
except right now really taking
1255
00:45:54,538 --> 00:45:56,206
in a lot of information
1256
00:45:56,273 --> 00:45:57,640
and hoping to be able to use
1257
00:45:57,708 --> 00:46:01,444
that next year.
1258
00:46:01,512 --> 00:46:02,145
He hated losing
1259
00:46:02,213 --> 00:46:03,313
with a passion.
1260
00:46:03,381 --> 00:46:04,414
He couldn't if when someone
1261
00:46:04,482 --> 00:46:05,248
was better than him.
1262
00:46:05,316 --> 00:46:05,982
He couldn't stand
1263
00:46:06,050 --> 00:46:06,983
if someone was beating him.
1264
00:46:07,051 --> 00:46:08,418
He couldn't stand just not
1265
00:46:08,486 --> 00:46:09,619
being part of a winning team
1266
00:46:09,687 --> 00:46:13,757
or winning himself.
1267
00:46:13,824 --> 00:46:14,824
He should have been
1268
00:46:14,892 --> 00:46:15,558
at that point
1269
00:46:15,626 --> 00:46:16,993
in time progressing his career,
1270
00:46:17,061 --> 00:46:18,395
and instead he was regressing
1271
00:46:18,462 --> 00:46:19,129
in his career.
1272
00:46:19,196 --> 00:46:21,464
And the anger was -- you could
1273
00:46:21,532 --> 00:46:24,134
just feel it coming off of him.
1274
00:46:24,201 --> 00:46:25,168
As he called it, I think at the
1275
00:46:25,236 --> 00:46:26,469
moment, "There is an EPO
1276
00:46:26,537 --> 00:46:29,472
epidemic going on."
1277
00:46:29,540 --> 00:46:31,574
He's like, "These...
1278
00:46:31,642 --> 00:46:33,009
need to be caught.
1279
00:46:33,077 --> 00:46:34,077
You know, these...
1280
00:46:34,145 --> 00:46:35,678
need to be taken out."
1281
00:46:41,919 --> 00:46:44,487
Eddy Merckx had sent Axel,
1282
00:46:44,555 --> 00:46:47,290
his son, to go and see Ferrari,
1283
00:46:47,358 --> 00:46:50,260
to be trained by Ferrari.
1284
00:46:50,327 --> 00:46:52,495
Eddy Merckx was by general
1285
00:46:52,563 --> 00:46:54,497
consensus the greatest cyclist
1286
00:46:54,565 --> 00:46:56,366
of all time.
1287
00:46:56,467 --> 00:46:57,333
He won the Tour de France
1288
00:46:57,401 --> 00:46:58,101
five times,
1289
00:46:58,169 --> 00:46:59,035
he won the Giro d'Italia
1290
00:46:59,103 --> 00:46:59,869
five times,
1291
00:46:59,937 --> 00:47:02,105
he won every race you could win
1292
00:47:02,173 --> 00:47:05,208
in professional cycling.
1293
00:47:05,276 --> 00:47:06,142
I asked Eddy, I said, "Will
1294
00:47:06,210 --> 00:47:09,679
you introduce me to Ferrari?"
1295
00:47:09,747 --> 00:47:12,148
So I went there in the winter of
1296
00:47:12,216 --> 00:47:13,883
'95 for my first test
1297
00:47:13,951 --> 00:47:14,717
and then started working
1298
00:47:14,785 --> 00:47:18,555
with him full time in '96.
1299
00:47:18,622 --> 00:47:19,989
My relationship with Ferrari
1300
00:47:20,057 --> 00:47:24,294
was highly confidential.
1301
00:47:24,361 --> 00:47:26,663
As was his relationship
1302
00:47:26,730 --> 00:47:27,864
with everybody.
1303
00:47:31,135 --> 00:47:32,202
We would dread seeing Ferrari
1304
00:47:32,269 --> 00:47:33,002
because the first thing
1305
00:47:33,070 --> 00:47:33,970
he would do would be like grab
1306
00:47:34,038 --> 00:47:34,904
your stomach like, "Oh, you've
1307
00:47:34,972 --> 00:47:36,639
been eating a bit too much."
1308
00:47:36,707 --> 00:47:38,208
Or like, the first thing
1309
00:47:38,275 --> 00:47:39,876
he would do is measure your fat.
1310
00:47:39,944 --> 00:47:41,344
Telling you you're fat
1311
00:47:41,412 --> 00:47:42,145
when you, you know,
1312
00:47:42,213 --> 00:47:43,313
you're pretty much anorexic
1313
00:47:43,380 --> 00:47:44,414
is probably not the best thing
1314
00:47:44,482 --> 00:47:46,349
for a 24-year-old kid.
1315
00:47:46,450 --> 00:47:48,585
He was direct.
1316
00:47:48,652 --> 00:47:51,087
But it worked for me.
1317
00:47:56,260 --> 00:47:58,261
Whatever he said, I did.
1318
00:47:58,329 --> 00:48:00,897
To the word.
1319
00:48:00,965 --> 00:48:02,866
Ferrari was a proponent of less
1320
00:48:02,933 --> 00:48:04,501
is more.
1321
00:48:04,568 --> 00:48:05,502
Because we would ask, we'd be
1322
00:48:05,569 --> 00:48:06,369
like, "Oh, I heard somebody is
1323
00:48:06,437 --> 00:48:07,403
doing this, I heard somebody is
1324
00:48:07,471 --> 00:48:08,037
doing that.
1325
00:48:08,105 --> 00:48:10,039
And should we think about that?"
1326
00:48:10,107 --> 00:48:14,110
He's like, "Lance, all you need
1327
00:48:14,178 --> 00:48:17,614
is the red cells."
1328
00:48:17,681 --> 00:48:20,183
So EPO, which then
1329
00:48:20,251 --> 00:48:25,088
became transfusions or bags,
1330
00:48:25,156 --> 00:48:26,689
and that's it.
1331
00:48:29,860 --> 00:48:31,127
I don't have any personal
1332
00:48:31,195 --> 00:48:33,396
experiences with Dr. Ferrari
1333
00:48:33,464 --> 00:48:35,465
to point to.
1334
00:48:35,533 --> 00:48:38,268
I did have to deal with athletes
1335
00:48:38,335 --> 00:48:39,636
that Dr. Ferrari
1336
00:48:39,703 --> 00:48:43,306
manipulated values on.
1337
00:48:43,374 --> 00:48:44,874
To me, that's a continuation
1338
00:48:44,942 --> 00:48:46,709
of people who want to lie,
1339
00:48:46,777 --> 00:48:48,778
cheat and steal from others
1340
00:48:48,846 --> 00:48:50,246
to gain an advantage trying
1341
00:48:50,314 --> 00:48:54,250
to justify what they're doing.
1342
00:48:54,318 --> 00:48:55,952
There were clean athletes who
1343
00:48:56,020 --> 00:48:58,621
did not get to have experiences
1344
00:48:58,689 --> 00:48:59,656
because of their actions,
1345
00:48:59,723 --> 00:49:01,991
and I'm one of them.
1346
00:49:02,092 --> 00:49:02,825
I had people tell me
1347
00:49:02,893 --> 00:49:03,793
when I came over there,
1348
00:49:03,861 --> 00:49:05,495
"It's like you've got a choice.
1349
00:49:05,563 --> 00:49:07,096
You're gonna do it or you're
1350
00:49:07,164 --> 00:49:07,497
not.
1351
00:49:07,565 --> 00:49:08,965
And if you're not, have
1352
00:49:09,033 --> 00:49:10,466
no expectation of any success
1353
00:49:10,534 --> 00:49:12,502
whatsoever, because you won't."
1354
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:18,808
By the start of 1996,
1355
00:49:18,876 --> 00:49:20,343
he physically looked
1356
00:49:20,411 --> 00:49:21,644
like a different person.
1357
00:49:21,712 --> 00:49:22,845
You know, he was much lower
1358
00:49:22,913 --> 00:49:24,647
body fat and much --
1359
00:49:24,715 --> 00:49:25,949
just looked stronger.
1360
00:49:26,016 --> 00:49:28,351
And, you know, he was winning
1361
00:49:28,419 --> 00:49:29,953
or placing in every single race
1362
00:49:30,020 --> 00:49:31,821
he was entering and was no
1363
00:49:31,889 --> 00:49:33,423
longer upset about people
1364
00:49:33,490 --> 00:49:34,624
doping.
1365
00:50:11,068 --> 00:50:11,968
There's a wild-looking house
1366
00:50:12,035 --> 00:50:12,702
up there too.
1367
00:50:12,769 --> 00:50:14,337
Man, I haven't seen that.
1368
00:50:14,404 --> 00:50:15,638
What is that?
1369
00:50:21,878 --> 00:50:22,778
I'm gonna make you very
1370
00:50:22,846 --> 00:50:24,213
happy.
1371
00:50:24,281 --> 00:50:26,148
We'll grab Grace.
1372
00:50:26,249 --> 00:50:28,618
[ Cellphone ringing ]
1373
00:50:32,756 --> 00:50:34,690
This is the house that I built
1374
00:50:34,758 --> 00:50:38,461
in the mid-'90s.
1375
00:50:38,528 --> 00:50:43,799
Started in '94, moved in in '96.
1376
00:50:43,867 --> 00:50:45,735
Paid 200,000 bucks for the lot.
1377
00:50:45,802 --> 00:50:46,636
Wow.
1378
00:50:46,703 --> 00:50:47,870
Construction contract
1379
00:50:47,938 --> 00:50:49,572
with pool was about $600,000.
1380
00:50:49,640 --> 00:50:52,241
Had it all in for less than a
1381
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:54,377
mil.
1382
00:50:54,444 --> 00:50:58,681
I was 24 years old --
1383
00:50:58,749 --> 00:51:01,684
24 or 25 years old -- and all my
1384
00:51:01,752 --> 00:51:05,655
neighbors were like 70.
1385
00:51:05,722 --> 00:51:06,489
They probably thought,
1386
00:51:06,556 --> 00:51:08,624
"Wait, who's building that?"
1387
00:51:12,262 --> 00:51:13,329
When did you sell it?
1388
00:51:13,397 --> 00:51:15,331
In 2000.
1389
00:51:15,399 --> 00:51:17,933
Why did you sell it?
1390
00:51:18,001 --> 00:51:20,536
Uh, you know, I think it was
1391
00:51:20,604 --> 00:51:21,871
only three bedrooms or four
1392
00:51:21,938 --> 00:51:23,205
bedrooms, and we had Luke and
1393
00:51:23,273 --> 00:51:24,840
then when you guys were coming,
1394
00:51:24,908 --> 00:51:26,275
we weren't gonna have room.
1395
00:51:26,343 --> 00:51:27,209
Or something.
1396
00:51:27,277 --> 00:51:30,880
Sold it for two.
1397
00:51:34,317 --> 00:51:35,418
There's room for a couple
1398
00:51:35,485 --> 00:51:38,054
of kids in this house.
1399
00:51:38,121 --> 00:51:39,088
Yeah, right.
1400
00:51:39,156 --> 00:51:42,591
[ Laughs ]
1401
00:51:42,659 --> 00:51:44,860
You can go faster.
1402
00:51:44,928 --> 00:51:46,028
Okay.
1403
00:52:00,977 --> 00:52:03,245
Lance left my house when he
1404
00:52:03,313 --> 00:52:09,585
was 17 years old and grew up.
1405
00:52:09,653 --> 00:52:11,387
He was out of the country
1406
00:52:11,455 --> 00:52:13,789
90% of the time.
1407
00:52:13,857 --> 00:52:15,157
When he was home,
1408
00:52:15,225 --> 00:52:16,759
that was off-season.
1409
00:52:20,964 --> 00:52:22,064
I was running one of the more
1410
00:52:22,132 --> 00:52:24,066
popular bars in Austin.
1411
00:52:24,134 --> 00:52:25,468
If you wanted to get into my
1412
00:52:25,535 --> 00:52:27,737
bar, you had to wait in line.
1413
00:52:27,804 --> 00:52:28,437
We had a line
1414
00:52:28,505 --> 00:52:29,772
wrapped around the corner.
1415
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:30,673
But if you wanted to get in
1416
00:52:30,741 --> 00:52:31,507
without waiting in line,
1417
00:52:31,575 --> 00:52:33,275
you needed to know me.
1418
00:52:33,376 --> 00:52:35,945
So I knew almost every girl
1419
00:52:36,012 --> 00:52:36,746
in town
1420
00:52:36,813 --> 00:52:39,281
that wanted to get into my bar.
1421
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:41,584
Lance was not very well known.
1422
00:52:41,651 --> 00:52:42,818
I mean, they knew, like, "I
1423
00:52:42,886 --> 00:52:45,421
think that's the cyclist guy."
1424
00:52:45,489 --> 00:52:47,189
So Lance just thought, "Oh, my
1425
00:52:47,257 --> 00:52:52,161
God, this guy knows every girl."
1426
00:52:52,229 --> 00:52:55,197
Our day consisted of wake up in
1427
00:52:55,265 --> 00:52:57,933
the morning, go for a bike ride,
1428
00:52:58,001 --> 00:52:59,335
go have some lunch.
1429
00:52:59,402 --> 00:53:00,703
I had a ski boat.
1430
00:53:00,771 --> 00:53:01,771
We would go out on the boat.
1431
00:53:01,838 --> 00:53:03,105
I'd call a few girls.
1432
00:53:03,173 --> 00:53:04,707
They'd come join us in the boat.
1433
00:53:04,775 --> 00:53:06,675
We'd ski.
1434
00:53:06,743 --> 00:53:07,543
I'd come home,
1435
00:53:07,611 --> 00:53:08,878
I'd take a nap for a little bit,
1436
00:53:08,945 --> 00:53:09,845
I'd go to work,
1437
00:53:09,913 --> 00:53:11,113
Lance would come in the bar,
1438
00:53:11,181 --> 00:53:12,948
hang out, I'd introduce him
1439
00:53:13,016 --> 00:53:14,717
to a lot of people,
1440
00:53:14,785 --> 00:53:15,484
wake up the next day
1441
00:53:15,552 --> 00:53:17,286
and just do it all over again.
1442
00:53:17,354 --> 00:53:19,221
Every day.
1443
00:53:19,289 --> 00:53:20,623
It couldn't get any better.
1444
00:53:28,098 --> 00:53:30,332
One day we're out on a bike ride
1445
00:53:30,400 --> 00:53:32,535
and he told me about this pain
1446
00:53:32,602 --> 00:53:35,704
in his testicle, which was not a
1447
00:53:35,772 --> 00:53:37,206
comfortable conversation that
1448
00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:38,507
you want to have with your
1449
00:53:38,575 --> 00:53:39,742
friend.
1450
00:53:39,810 --> 00:53:41,477
Not only big,
1451
00:53:41,545 --> 00:53:43,679
but just...hurt.
1452
00:53:43,747 --> 00:53:45,848
Like to the touch, to --
1453
00:53:45,916 --> 00:53:47,650
if -- if you just --
1454
00:53:47,717 --> 00:53:48,551
any -- sitting on the bike.
1455
00:53:48,618 --> 00:53:50,519
It just -- And I'm like --
1456
00:53:50,587 --> 00:53:52,021
I'm like, "Jesus, is this
1457
00:53:52,088 --> 00:53:53,722
what -- I mean, is it because
1458
00:53:53,790 --> 00:53:54,824
I'm -- is it because
1459
00:53:54,891 --> 00:53:56,325
I sit on a bike all day long?"
1460
00:53:56,393 --> 00:53:57,726
Today was supposed to be
1461
00:53:57,794 --> 00:53:58,828
Lance Armstrong's day
1462
00:53:58,895 --> 00:53:59,762
at the Tour de France.
1463
00:53:59,830 --> 00:54:01,497
Instead, the Austinite
1464
00:54:01,565 --> 00:54:03,165
has called it quits.
1465
00:54:03,233 --> 00:54:04,834
He's feeling so bad, he thinks
1466
00:54:04,901 --> 00:54:09,071
he might have bronchitis.
1467
00:54:09,139 --> 00:54:10,573
When I came home in September
1468
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:11,907
after the season,
1469
00:54:11,975 --> 00:54:13,175
then the symptoms got a little
1470
00:54:13,243 --> 00:54:17,112
more serious.
1471
00:54:17,180 --> 00:54:21,450
Even then I ignored them.
1472
00:54:21,518 --> 00:54:22,751
Until the day
1473
00:54:22,819 --> 00:54:25,120
that I started to cough.
1474
00:54:28,825 --> 00:54:30,226
Blood everywhere.
1475
00:54:30,293 --> 00:54:31,393
And I kept coughing and more
1476
00:54:31,461 --> 00:54:33,429
blood, coughing, more blood.
1477
00:54:33,496 --> 00:54:36,031
It's just everywhere.
1478
00:54:36,099 --> 00:54:38,534
It looked like a crime scene.
1479
00:54:38,602 --> 00:54:40,436
And so I called my neighbor.
1480
00:54:40,503 --> 00:54:42,638
He's like, "All right.
1481
00:54:42,706 --> 00:54:44,173
We're going to the doctor."
1482
00:54:48,278 --> 00:54:48,978
However long it takes them
1483
00:54:49,045 --> 00:54:52,147
to print out an X-ray, minutes.
1484
00:54:52,215 --> 00:54:54,149
He just -- three or four of them
1485
00:54:54,217 --> 00:54:55,985
up there and he says, "You have
1486
00:54:56,052 --> 00:54:57,720
advanced testicular cancer."
1487
00:55:01,725 --> 00:55:03,559
And I mean, it is just -- the
1488
00:55:03,627 --> 00:55:05,895
chest, both sides, both lungs --
1489
00:55:05,962 --> 00:55:09,665
just littered -- golf balls.
1490
00:55:09,733 --> 00:55:10,966
I was like, "Whoa, whoa.
1491
00:55:11,034 --> 00:55:12,234
Whoa, whoa. whoa. Stop.
1492
00:55:12,302 --> 00:55:13,769
Time out. Hang on. Are you --
1493
00:55:13,837 --> 00:55:15,738
I mean, I know I see this,
1494
00:55:15,805 --> 00:55:17,907
but are you sure, like..."
1495
00:55:17,974 --> 00:55:20,342
And he said, "I'm so sure,
1496
00:55:20,410 --> 00:55:21,243
I've scheduled surgery
1497
00:55:21,311 --> 00:55:25,414
for 7:00 a.m. tomorrow morning."
1498
00:55:25,482 --> 00:55:29,251
And I was like, "Oh...
1499
00:55:36,593 --> 00:55:38,294
It was...
1500
00:55:38,361 --> 00:55:41,430
It was a long drive home.
1501
00:55:46,403 --> 00:55:48,771
He calls me, and my knees
1502
00:55:48,838 --> 00:55:49,805
just buckled.
1503
00:55:49,873 --> 00:55:52,474
I'm like, "What?"
1504
00:55:52,542 --> 00:55:53,943
Like, you don't know what to
1505
00:55:54,010 --> 00:55:54,443
say.
1506
00:55:54,511 --> 00:55:56,045
And so he's like, "I have to go
1507
00:55:56,112 --> 00:55:58,781
into surgery tomorrow morning."
1508
00:55:58,848 --> 00:56:01,984
And I'm like, "Well, on what?"
1509
00:56:02,052 --> 00:56:02,985
I mean, this just shows you
1510
00:56:03,053 --> 00:56:04,620
the ignorance of a 27-year-old
1511
00:56:04,688 --> 00:56:05,688
that has never dealt with this.
1512
00:56:05,755 --> 00:56:06,655
I'm like, "On what?"
1513
00:56:06,723 --> 00:56:07,523
He's like, "They've got to
1514
00:56:07,590 --> 00:56:10,292
remove my testicle."
1515
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:11,794
I never knew anybody
1516
00:56:11,861 --> 00:56:12,995
who had cancer.
1517
00:56:13,063 --> 00:56:14,663
Nobody I knew.
1518
00:56:14,731 --> 00:56:18,968
Nobody I worked with had cancer.
1519
00:56:19,035 --> 00:56:20,569
Certainly, she never thought
1520
00:56:20,637 --> 00:56:21,870
that she would have
1521
00:56:21,938 --> 00:56:22,638
to face this
1522
00:56:22,706 --> 00:56:24,306
and to face that dilemma of,
1523
00:56:24,374 --> 00:56:25,474
"Oh, my God, am I going
1524
00:56:25,542 --> 00:56:27,076
to outlive my only son?"
1525
00:56:30,213 --> 00:56:33,015
I was praying to God...
1526
00:56:35,585 --> 00:56:36,719
[voice breaking] ...it's not
1527
00:56:36,786 --> 00:56:38,654
Stage 4.
1528
00:56:38,722 --> 00:56:42,324
It'll be 2. It'll be 3.
1529
00:56:42,392 --> 00:56:44,093
And then learning
1530
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:46,729
it was Stage 4...
1531
00:56:46,796 --> 00:56:48,230
Devastating.
1532
00:56:51,668 --> 00:56:52,568
Realistically, what
1533
00:56:52,635 --> 00:56:53,836
are his chances?
1534
00:56:53,903 --> 00:56:55,204
With what Lance had,
1535
00:56:55,271 --> 00:56:57,172
almost none.
1536
00:56:57,240 --> 00:56:58,907
We told Lance initially 20%
1537
00:56:58,975 --> 00:57:01,076
to 50% chance, mainly to give
1538
00:57:01,144 --> 00:57:02,911
him hope.
1539
00:57:03,013 --> 00:57:04,079
But with the kind of cancer
1540
00:57:04,147 --> 00:57:06,081
he had, with the lung X-rays,
1541
00:57:06,149 --> 00:57:10,519
the blood tests, almost no hope.
1542
00:57:10,587 --> 00:57:11,754
You know, cancer was what you
1543
00:57:11,821 --> 00:57:13,022
got when you smoked cigarettes
1544
00:57:13,089 --> 00:57:15,224
or when you led a poor lifestyle
1545
00:57:15,291 --> 00:57:21,530
or, you know, had asbestos in
1546
00:57:21,598 --> 00:57:22,631
your house, or --
1547
00:57:22,699 --> 00:57:23,432
I was like, wait a minute,
1548
00:57:23,500 --> 00:57:24,299
I'm one of the fittest people
1549
00:57:24,367 --> 00:57:26,969
in the world.
1550
00:57:27,037 --> 00:57:28,270
Why?
1551
00:57:38,381 --> 00:57:40,382
On Wednesday, October 2nd,
1552
00:57:40,450 --> 00:57:41,116
I was diagnosed
1553
00:57:41,184 --> 00:57:43,252
with testicular cancer.
1554
00:57:43,319 --> 00:57:44,053
On Thursday,
1555
00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,254
October 3rd, I underwent surgery
1556
00:57:45,321 --> 00:57:46,288
at St. David's Hospital
1557
00:57:46,356 --> 00:57:47,156
here in Austin to have
1558
00:57:47,223 --> 00:57:49,124
the malignant testicle removed,
1559
00:57:49,192 --> 00:57:52,161
and the surgery was successful.
1560
00:57:52,228 --> 00:57:53,262
In terms of degrees of the
1561
00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:54,296
disease, my condition is
1562
00:57:54,364 --> 00:57:55,397
considered to be between
1563
00:57:55,465 --> 00:57:56,665
moderate and advanced,
1564
00:57:56,733 --> 00:57:57,733
and thus yesterday I began
1565
00:57:57,801 --> 00:57:59,134
my first day of chemotherapy
1566
00:57:59,202 --> 00:58:01,570
treatment.
1567
00:58:01,638 --> 00:58:02,738
I will undergo chemotherapy
1568
00:58:02,806 --> 00:58:03,806
for at least 12 weeks,
1569
00:58:03,873 --> 00:58:04,640
and then depending on
1570
00:58:04,707 --> 00:58:05,774
how I respond to the treatment,
1571
00:58:05,842 --> 00:58:07,009
may have to undergo
1572
00:58:07,077 --> 00:58:08,143
more chemotherapy
1573
00:58:08,211 --> 00:58:08,811
and other procedures
1574
00:58:08,878 --> 00:58:10,412
to fight this disease.
1575
00:58:14,017 --> 00:58:14,783
We found out that it had
1576
00:58:14,851 --> 00:58:17,086
metastasized to his brain.
1577
00:58:21,858 --> 00:58:23,859
He looked sick.
1578
00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:24,660
They shaved his head
1579
00:58:24,727 --> 00:58:26,829
to do the surgery, and that was,
1580
00:58:26,896 --> 00:58:27,863
you know, that was the period
1581
00:58:27,931 --> 00:58:28,664
where you thought, yeah,
1582
00:58:28,731 --> 00:58:31,867
he might not make it.
1583
00:58:31,935 --> 00:58:32,935
You kind of thought, hey,
1584
00:58:33,002 --> 00:58:36,505
you know, survival is success.
1585
00:58:36,573 --> 00:58:37,806
Survival with
1586
00:58:37,874 --> 00:58:39,007
your faculties intact.
1587
00:58:39,075 --> 00:58:40,209
Survival and the ability
1588
00:58:40,276 --> 00:58:43,779
to have a job.
1589
00:58:43,847 --> 00:58:45,514
I mean, survival and be
1590
00:58:45,582 --> 00:58:49,685
a bike racer was, you know,
1591
00:58:49,752 --> 00:58:55,224
almost too good to consider.
1592
00:59:06,302 --> 00:59:08,704
First he had a testicle removed.
1593
00:59:08,771 --> 00:59:10,906
Then he had brain surgery.
1594
00:59:10,974 --> 00:59:12,374
Then he had chemotherapy
1595
00:59:12,442 --> 00:59:14,543
for his lymph nodes and lungs
1596
00:59:14,611 --> 00:59:19,381
and, you know, his whole body.
1597
00:59:19,449 --> 00:59:21,350
Laying in the hospital bed
1598
00:59:21,417 --> 00:59:22,484
and puking your brains out, not
1599
00:59:22,552 --> 00:59:23,318
knowing if you were gonna
1600
00:59:23,386 --> 00:59:24,520
live or die...
1601
00:59:28,291 --> 00:59:30,325
It was a competition to me.
1602
00:59:30,393 --> 00:59:32,161
Right, so you had cancer as
1603
00:59:32,228 --> 00:59:34,763
the -- as the enemy,
1604
00:59:34,831 --> 00:59:38,500
and you had me as the good guy.
1605
00:59:38,568 --> 00:59:40,936
And all of the things that we
1606
00:59:41,004 --> 00:59:42,871
monitor, tumor markers, chest
1607
00:59:42,939 --> 00:59:45,240
X-rays, those were all stats
1608
00:59:45,308 --> 00:59:46,441
and things on the scoreboard.
1609
00:59:46,509 --> 00:59:48,043
The tumor marker
1610
00:59:48,111 --> 00:59:50,412
was the scoreboard.
1611
00:59:50,480 --> 00:59:52,514
It was a game to me.
1612
00:59:52,582 --> 00:59:53,849
But it was a game
1613
00:59:53,917 --> 00:59:55,217
of life and death.
1614
01:00:12,302 --> 01:00:13,402
Armstrong's toughness
1615
01:00:13,469 --> 01:00:14,436
recently paid off
1616
01:00:14,504 --> 01:00:16,271
in some holiday cheer.
1617
01:00:16,339 --> 01:00:18,273
His blood levels are now normal,
1618
01:00:18,341 --> 01:00:20,609
the spots on his lungs reduced.
1619
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:22,477
This is the very, very best
1620
01:00:22,545 --> 01:00:24,112
Christmas that I have ever had
1621
01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:27,382
in my whole life, bar none --
1622
01:00:27,450 --> 01:00:28,617
that he will be cured
1623
01:00:28,685 --> 01:00:30,052
and that we'll be blessed
1624
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:34,623
with his health from now on.
1625
01:00:34,724 --> 01:00:36,625
Until you're five years clear
1626
01:00:36,693 --> 01:00:39,628
from a cancer treatment, you're
1627
01:00:39,696 --> 01:00:41,430
always worried about relapse.
1628
01:00:41,497 --> 01:00:45,901
And, you know, it was in the
1629
01:00:45,969 --> 01:00:47,502
back of everybody's mind,
1630
01:00:47,570 --> 01:00:49,438
this moment may not last.
1631
01:00:54,911 --> 01:00:56,445
Do you think you got cancer
1632
01:00:56,512 --> 01:00:59,181
because of the doping?
1633
01:00:59,248 --> 01:01:01,350
You know, I [sighs] I don't
1634
01:01:01,417 --> 01:01:04,019
know the answer to that.
1635
01:01:04,087 --> 01:01:05,587
And I don't want to say no
1636
01:01:05,655 --> 01:01:06,588
because I don't think that's
1637
01:01:06,656 --> 01:01:07,189
right either.
1638
01:01:07,256 --> 01:01:08,256
I don't know if it's yes or no.
1639
01:01:08,324 --> 01:01:11,259
But I certainly wouldn't say no.
1640
01:01:11,327 --> 01:01:13,028
The only thing I will tell you
1641
01:01:13,096 --> 01:01:15,297
is the only time in my life
1642
01:01:15,365 --> 01:01:17,165
that I ever did growth hormone
1643
01:01:17,233 --> 01:01:19,468
was the 1996 season.
1644
01:01:19,535 --> 01:01:20,802
And so just in my head
1645
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:24,473
I'm like, "Growth, like
1646
01:01:24,540 --> 01:01:26,441
growing, hormones and cells --"
1647
01:01:26,509 --> 01:01:28,644
Like if anything good needs
1648
01:01:28,711 --> 01:01:31,013
to be grown, it does.
1649
01:01:31,080 --> 01:01:32,347
But wouldn't it make also sense
1650
01:01:32,415 --> 01:01:33,949
that if anything bad
1651
01:01:34,017 --> 01:01:35,984
is there that it too would grow?
1652
01:01:39,622 --> 01:01:41,490
So, how did you come up
1653
01:01:41,557 --> 01:01:42,524
with the idea for
1654
01:01:42,592 --> 01:01:46,194
the Lance Armstrong Foundation?
1655
01:01:46,262 --> 01:01:48,730
When I was diagnosed, I think
1656
01:01:48,798 --> 01:01:50,232
that I looked at my situation
1657
01:01:50,299 --> 01:01:51,133
and you had a disease
1658
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,067
that young men didn't want
1659
01:01:52,135 --> 01:01:53,702
to talk about, which they still
1660
01:01:53,770 --> 01:01:55,137
don't want to talk about.
1661
01:01:55,204 --> 01:01:58,373
And I don't blame them.
1662
01:01:58,441 --> 01:01:59,975
You know, almost immediately,
1663
01:02:00,043 --> 01:02:01,576
within a month or two, I
1664
01:02:01,644 --> 01:02:03,412
thought, "Let's do something
1665
01:02:03,479 --> 01:02:04,579
here.
1666
01:02:04,647 --> 01:02:06,314
Let's try to help."
1667
01:02:06,416 --> 01:02:07,516
There's no awareness about it.
1668
01:02:07,583 --> 01:02:09,051
I didn't know a testicle bigger
1669
01:02:09,118 --> 01:02:10,686
than another is a problem.
1670
01:02:10,753 --> 01:02:11,687
And that's why when I win this
1671
01:02:11,754 --> 01:02:14,556
battle, everybody's gonna know.
1672
01:02:14,624 --> 01:02:18,527
And it starts today.
1673
01:02:18,594 --> 01:02:20,495
He came to me and to Bart
1674
01:02:20,563 --> 01:02:22,898
and a few other people
1675
01:02:22,965 --> 01:02:25,734
and wanted to do something.
1676
01:02:25,835 --> 01:02:27,235
We had very modest
1677
01:02:27,303 --> 01:02:28,870
expectations or ambitions.
1678
01:02:28,938 --> 01:02:30,238
We were -- We were gonna have
1679
01:02:30,306 --> 01:02:33,041
an annual bike ride in Austin,
1680
01:02:33,109 --> 01:02:35,510
try to raise some money,
1681
01:02:35,578 --> 01:02:36,912
find somebody to give the money
1682
01:02:36,979 --> 01:02:39,081
to and that's it.
1683
01:02:39,148 --> 01:02:41,717
We chose a ride that I had
1684
01:02:41,784 --> 01:02:44,453
always run as a non-competitive
1685
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,790
kind of training race in Austin.
1686
01:02:48,891 --> 01:02:50,692
We did the first Ride for the
1687
01:02:50,760 --> 01:02:51,860
Roses, I guess that would have
1688
01:02:51,928 --> 01:02:55,397
been the February of '97.
1689
01:02:58,501 --> 01:02:59,935
It was a major success.
1690
01:03:00,002 --> 01:03:02,971
They had like 5,000 riders.
1691
01:03:03,039 --> 01:03:03,939
People were on bikes
1692
01:03:04,006 --> 01:03:04,940
that they had just dusted
1693
01:03:05,007 --> 01:03:06,274
out of their garage.
1694
01:03:06,342 --> 01:03:07,442
I mean, just squeaking
1695
01:03:07,510 --> 01:03:10,112
down the road.
1696
01:03:10,179 --> 01:03:11,446
And you've got to remember,
1697
01:03:11,514 --> 01:03:12,714
in Austin, Texas, people kind of
1698
01:03:12,782 --> 01:03:14,382
knew who he was but didn't
1699
01:03:14,450 --> 01:03:16,952
really know who he was.
1700
01:03:17,019 --> 01:03:18,120
They're not out there just to
1701
01:03:18,187 --> 01:03:19,087
"I'm gonna ride my bike and
1702
01:03:19,155 --> 01:03:19,988
get in shape and everything."
1703
01:03:20,056 --> 01:03:21,423
Like, no, they're there
1704
01:03:21,491 --> 01:03:22,624
because this is my cause.
1705
01:03:25,728 --> 01:03:27,763
To raise money for testicular
1706
01:03:27,830 --> 01:03:29,898
cancer awareness.
1707
01:03:29,966 --> 01:03:30,899
And for Lance.
1708
01:03:30,967 --> 01:03:33,502
It's a great cause.
1709
01:03:33,569 --> 01:03:35,604
It was an amazing time.
1710
01:03:35,671 --> 01:03:36,972
And you start to learn
1711
01:03:37,039 --> 01:03:40,942
about this cancer community.
1712
01:03:41,010 --> 01:03:41,943
And we were just going
1713
01:03:42,011 --> 01:03:43,078
to donate the money
1714
01:03:43,146 --> 01:03:45,480
to the American Cancer Society.
1715
01:03:45,548 --> 01:03:47,582
They came, and we met with them.
1716
01:03:47,650 --> 01:03:51,586
And we started asking questions.
1717
01:03:51,654 --> 01:03:52,587
And all their answers,
1718
01:03:52,655 --> 01:03:53,488
boy, it was just not
1719
01:03:53,556 --> 01:03:55,257
the answers that we wanted.
1720
01:03:55,324 --> 01:03:56,658
They weren't addressing
1721
01:03:56,726 --> 01:03:59,928
awareness, patient navigation,
1722
01:03:59,996 --> 01:04:00,762
all these things
1723
01:04:00,830 --> 01:04:01,830
that would just help a person
1724
01:04:01,898 --> 01:04:04,599
navigate the cancer world.
1725
01:04:04,667 --> 01:04:06,268
We realized at that time
1726
01:04:06,335 --> 01:04:09,004
we needed to do more.
1727
01:04:09,105 --> 01:04:11,306
This idea of cancer survivorship
1728
01:04:11,374 --> 01:04:12,274
really came home,
1729
01:04:12,341 --> 01:04:13,308
and so we started to build
1730
01:04:13,376 --> 01:04:14,442
the idea of the foundation
1731
01:04:14,510 --> 01:04:15,277
around this idea
1732
01:04:15,344 --> 01:04:16,678
of how do we help people
1733
01:04:16,746 --> 01:04:19,447
with cancer right now?
1734
01:04:19,549 --> 01:04:20,982
We started heading down
1735
01:04:21,050 --> 01:04:22,651
the road of doing our own
1736
01:04:22,718 --> 01:04:24,786
foundation.
1737
01:04:24,854 --> 01:04:25,720
Everyone had the passion,
1738
01:04:25,788 --> 01:04:27,189
the purpose,
1739
01:04:27,256 --> 01:04:29,524
and that's how great companies,
1740
01:04:29,592 --> 01:04:30,859
how great not-for-profits
1741
01:04:30,927 --> 01:04:31,660
get started.
1742
01:04:31,727 --> 01:04:32,627
And that's how Livestrong
1743
01:04:32,695 --> 01:04:34,796
eventually developed.
1744
01:04:50,274 --> 01:04:51,908
Oh, wow, there's a...
1745
01:04:51,976 --> 01:04:57,080
[ Indistinct talking on radio ]
1746
01:04:57,148 --> 01:04:59,683
Byrnesy, quit talking. Let's go.
1747
01:04:59,784 --> 01:05:01,151
Is it bad that Anna has her
1748
01:05:01,219 --> 01:05:02,485
seat belt on and I don't?
1749
01:05:02,553 --> 01:05:03,653
How do you not put
1750
01:05:03,721 --> 01:05:05,255
a seat belt on, dude?
1751
01:05:05,356 --> 01:05:06,323
What?
1752
01:05:06,390 --> 01:05:07,257
You don't have to have it on in
1753
01:05:07,325 --> 01:05:08,825
the back seat.
1754
01:05:08,893 --> 01:05:09,726
Of course you do.
1755
01:05:09,794 --> 01:05:10,527
No, you don't.
1756
01:05:10,595 --> 01:05:11,261
It's not a law.
1757
01:05:11,329 --> 01:05:12,262
You don't have to have
1758
01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:13,029
a seat belt on.
1759
01:05:13,097 --> 01:05:13,730
Yes, you do!
1760
01:05:13,798 --> 01:05:14,531
No, you don't.
1761
01:05:14,599 --> 01:05:15,232
There's not a law
1762
01:05:15,299 --> 01:05:15,866
in the back seat
1763
01:05:15,933 --> 01:05:16,900
you can have your seat belt off.
1764
01:05:16,968 --> 01:05:17,767
It's just if you have a seat
1765
01:05:17,835 --> 01:05:18,935
belt, you have to put it on.
1766
01:05:19,003 --> 01:05:19,669
If you're on a bus
1767
01:05:19,737 --> 01:05:20,570
and you have a seat belt,
1768
01:05:20,638 --> 01:05:21,404
you got to put it on.
1769
01:05:21,472 --> 01:05:22,272
If there's a seat belt
1770
01:05:22,340 --> 01:05:23,506
available, you got to put it on.
1771
01:05:23,574 --> 01:05:24,574
We should really -- We should
1772
01:05:24,642 --> 01:05:25,008
go.
1773
01:05:25,076 --> 01:05:25,842
We got to go.
1774
01:05:25,910 --> 01:05:26,676
We do have to go.
1775
01:05:26,744 --> 01:05:27,544
We're gonna -- we --
1776
01:05:27,612 --> 01:05:28,178
You got to put
1777
01:05:28,246 --> 01:05:28,845
your seat belt on.
1778
01:05:28,913 --> 01:05:29,746
It'd be kind of a...
1779
01:05:29,814 --> 01:05:32,282
move to be late.
1780
01:05:32,350 --> 01:05:35,118
[ Chuckles ]
1781
01:05:35,186 --> 01:05:37,354
[ Indistinct conversations ]
1782
01:05:37,421 --> 01:05:39,589
[ Camera shutters clicking ]
1783
01:05:44,495 --> 01:05:45,128
I think they should --
1784
01:05:45,196 --> 01:05:46,196
speaking of PR, I think
1785
01:05:46,264 --> 01:05:47,898
we should change the name.
1786
01:05:56,841 --> 01:05:58,275
A lot of people throughout
1787
01:05:58,342 --> 01:05:59,276
this process were like,
1788
01:05:59,343 --> 01:06:00,377
"Take him off the ticket.
1789
01:06:00,444 --> 01:06:02,445
We don't want him."
1790
01:06:02,513 --> 01:06:03,880
But at the end of the day,
1791
01:06:03,948 --> 01:06:04,814
someone has to do
1792
01:06:04,882 --> 01:06:05,882
what they think is right,
1793
01:06:05,950 --> 01:06:07,317
and I think it's right
1794
01:06:07,385 --> 01:06:09,786
to give an award to somebody
1795
01:06:09,854 --> 01:06:12,255
who has done a lot of good.
1796
01:06:12,323 --> 01:06:14,891
Lance Armstrong
1797
01:06:14,959 --> 01:06:15,825
is one of the best dudes
1798
01:06:15,893 --> 01:06:17,894
I've ever met in my life.
1799
01:06:17,962 --> 01:06:21,798
And to see him tonight,
1800
01:06:21,866 --> 01:06:22,732
to be able to sit here
1801
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:24,401
and present the Inspiration
1802
01:06:24,468 --> 01:06:27,771
Award Babes for Boobs,
1803
01:06:27,838 --> 01:06:29,072
to this dude,
1804
01:06:29,140 --> 01:06:31,074
I couldn't be any more honored.
1805
01:06:31,175 --> 01:06:31,908
Ladies and gentlemen,
1806
01:06:31,976 --> 01:06:32,909
Lance Armstrong.
1807
01:06:32,977 --> 01:06:36,246
[ Cheers and applause ]
1808
01:06:36,314 --> 01:06:38,848
Okay. All right.
1809
01:06:38,916 --> 01:06:40,650
Uh, I just want to say one thing
1810
01:06:40,718 --> 01:06:41,818
real quick because it's
1811
01:06:41,886 --> 01:06:44,087
really -- it is the reason that
1812
01:06:44,155 --> 01:06:48,591
breast cancer has become such,
1813
01:06:48,659 --> 01:06:50,093
for lack of a better word,
1814
01:06:50,161 --> 01:06:51,628
such a successful story.
1815
01:06:51,696 --> 01:06:53,596
Because you women
1816
01:06:53,664 --> 01:06:54,864
had the courage
1817
01:06:54,932 --> 01:06:57,834
and the brains to mobilize
1818
01:06:57,902 --> 01:06:59,102
and tell your story
1819
01:06:59,170 --> 01:07:01,037
and to ask people to help
1820
01:07:01,105 --> 01:07:02,439
and to, you know,
1821
01:07:02,506 --> 01:07:03,640
have Washington, D.C.,
1822
01:07:03,708 --> 01:07:05,342
get off their ass.
1823
01:07:05,409 --> 01:07:06,977
So here's to the women
1824
01:07:07,044 --> 01:07:07,677
in the room,
1825
01:07:07,745 --> 01:07:09,479
and thank you very much.
1826
01:07:09,547 --> 01:07:12,615
[ Cheers and applause ]
1827
01:07:18,089 --> 01:07:20,223
[ Laughs ]
1828
01:07:20,291 --> 01:07:22,592
[ Indistinct conversations ]
1829
01:07:26,797 --> 01:07:28,465
Hey, bro, I think you could
1830
01:07:28,532 --> 01:07:29,499
have walked right out the front
1831
01:07:29,567 --> 01:07:31,201
and no one would give a...
1832
01:07:31,268 --> 01:07:32,469
I mean, at this point
1833
01:07:32,536 --> 01:07:34,738
though, isn't the back alley
1834
01:07:34,805 --> 01:07:35,805
thing where we've got to walk
1835
01:07:35,873 --> 01:07:37,140
by nine dumpsters to get out
1836
01:07:37,208 --> 01:07:40,010
of a place a little tired?
1837
01:07:40,077 --> 01:07:42,812
Nobody cares.
1838
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:45,915
They either love or hate him.
1839
01:07:45,983 --> 01:07:46,983
Take it easy, all right?
1840
01:07:47,051 --> 01:07:47,650
Yeah, you too,
1841
01:07:47,718 --> 01:07:50,387
thank you very much.
1842
01:07:56,961 --> 01:07:58,395
The last five years has really
1843
01:07:58,462 --> 01:08:01,731
caused me to, you know, pause
1844
01:08:01,799 --> 01:08:03,700
and try to understand not just
1845
01:08:03,768 --> 01:08:06,936
myself, but what this story
1846
01:08:07,004 --> 01:08:08,772
meant to other people, what this
1847
01:08:08,839 --> 01:08:10,340
story meant to the world, right?
1848
01:08:10,408 --> 01:08:13,343
And, you know, that's
1849
01:08:13,411 --> 01:08:17,547
a heavy thing to think about.
1850
01:08:17,615 --> 01:08:18,515
I never knew this story
1851
01:08:18,582 --> 01:08:21,051
was as big as it was.
1852
01:08:21,118 --> 01:08:22,552
I just -- I knew it was big,
1853
01:08:22,620 --> 01:08:25,221
but I didn't know it was --
1854
01:08:25,289 --> 01:08:28,258
I didn't know it was that big.
1855
01:08:28,325 --> 01:08:29,259
If I was competing today,
1856
01:08:29,326 --> 01:08:30,860
I could tell you
1857
01:08:30,928 --> 01:08:33,196
who my peers would be, right?
1858
01:08:33,264 --> 01:08:34,064
My peers would be
1859
01:08:34,131 --> 01:08:36,299
Michael Phelps, LeBron James,
1860
01:08:36,367 --> 01:08:40,070
and so I can -- I see where they
1861
01:08:40,137 --> 01:08:41,204
are.
1862
01:08:41,272 --> 01:08:42,539
And so only now do I realize,
1863
01:08:42,606 --> 01:08:44,374
"Okay, that's where you were."
1864
01:08:44,442 --> 01:08:46,943
That's where I was.
1865
01:08:47,011 --> 01:08:49,746
I really don't miss that.
1866
01:08:49,814 --> 01:08:51,247
And I think if I'd have stayed
1867
01:08:51,315 --> 01:08:53,383
there, it wouldn't have been
1868
01:08:53,451 --> 01:08:54,717
good for my family.
1869
01:09:01,959 --> 01:09:04,594
[ Man speaking French ]
1870
01:09:10,134 --> 01:09:14,737
[ Applause ]
1871
01:09:14,805 --> 01:09:17,574
Motorola lost its sponsorship
1872
01:09:17,641 --> 01:09:20,143
in '96.
1873
01:09:20,244 --> 01:09:21,678
So that was the last year
1874
01:09:21,745 --> 01:09:23,146
of Motorola.
1875
01:09:23,214 --> 01:09:23,847
So we were all kind of
1876
01:09:23,914 --> 01:09:24,514
just left on our own
1877
01:09:24,582 --> 01:09:27,917
to find our own teams.
1878
01:09:27,985 --> 01:09:30,487
We had wound up all signing
1879
01:09:30,554 --> 01:09:32,088
for team Cofidis, which
1880
01:09:32,156 --> 01:09:35,658
is a brand-new French team.
1881
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:37,460
I feel good, I feel strong
1882
01:09:37,528 --> 01:09:41,364
standing here, but I still
1883
01:09:41,432 --> 01:09:46,302
have a ways to go on the bike.
1884
01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:47,103
Lance showed up
1885
01:09:47,171 --> 01:09:51,608
at our training camp.
1886
01:09:51,675 --> 01:09:53,276
Seeing the other French riders
1887
01:09:53,344 --> 01:09:54,711
almost be scared to touch him
1888
01:09:54,778 --> 01:09:56,946
or shake his hand,
1889
01:09:57,014 --> 01:09:59,883
it was crazy to see him in
1890
01:09:59,950 --> 01:10:02,785
that condition where he wasn't
1891
01:10:02,853 --> 01:10:04,888
that magnet in the room,
1892
01:10:04,955 --> 01:10:06,523
that he was frail,
1893
01:10:06,590 --> 01:10:08,558
that he was fragile.
1894
01:10:08,626 --> 01:10:09,893
Doesn't have any eyebrows.
1895
01:10:09,960 --> 01:10:11,161
Doesn't have any,
1896
01:10:11,228 --> 01:10:13,730
you know, hair.
1897
01:10:13,797 --> 01:10:16,533
That definitely felt like it
1898
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:17,567
was just a matter of time
1899
01:10:17,635 --> 01:10:18,568
before they found a way
1900
01:10:18,636 --> 01:10:20,703
to get him out of his contract.
1901
01:10:31,482 --> 01:10:32,882
We were at Interbike
1902
01:10:32,950 --> 01:10:34,417
together, and that's the big
1903
01:10:34,485 --> 01:10:35,552
bike convention.
1904
01:10:35,619 --> 01:10:36,419
It's held in Las Vegas
1905
01:10:36,487 --> 01:10:37,587
every year.
1906
01:10:37,655 --> 01:10:38,922
Lance and Bill could meet with
1907
01:10:38,989 --> 01:10:40,323
maybe some of these teams,
1908
01:10:40,391 --> 01:10:41,891
and he was getting the stiff arm
1909
01:10:41,959 --> 01:10:43,726
from all of them.
1910
01:10:43,794 --> 01:10:44,761
And he's like, "Man,
1911
01:10:44,828 --> 01:10:46,763
they're just screwing me or
1912
01:10:46,830 --> 01:10:49,399
they don't respect me anymore."
1913
01:10:49,466 --> 01:10:51,935
We called every team,
1914
01:10:52,002 --> 01:10:53,503
and it was either...
1915
01:10:53,571 --> 01:10:56,372
or a short conversation.
1916
01:10:56,440 --> 01:10:57,273
Part of me was like,
1917
01:10:57,341 --> 01:10:58,741
"Well, dude, what do you want?
1918
01:10:58,809 --> 01:11:00,209
You wanted them to pay you
1919
01:11:00,277 --> 01:11:02,579
$500,000 or $1 million a year
1920
01:11:02,646 --> 01:11:04,280
and you haven't done anything.
1921
01:11:04,348 --> 01:11:07,417
Let alone you had cancer."
1922
01:11:07,484 --> 01:11:08,952
I thought that I'd have a
1923
01:11:09,019 --> 01:11:10,086
home, I'd have a team,
1924
01:11:10,154 --> 01:11:11,120
I'd have a place,
1925
01:11:11,188 --> 01:11:13,556
and there was nothing.
1926
01:11:17,227 --> 01:11:19,262
It just didn't seem possible
1927
01:11:19,330 --> 01:11:21,130
that he was going to be able
1928
01:11:21,198 --> 01:11:22,465
to come back
1929
01:11:22,533 --> 01:11:24,067
to the highest level of sport
1930
01:11:24,134 --> 01:11:25,969
after cancer.
1931
01:11:29,540 --> 01:11:31,474
Only one team wanted me.
1932
01:11:31,542 --> 01:11:33,042
Good morning, everyone.
1933
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:34,210
We're very excited about the
1934
01:11:34,278 --> 01:11:35,244
news that we're about to
1935
01:11:35,312 --> 01:11:36,546
announce.
1936
01:11:36,614 --> 01:11:37,246
The Postal Service
1937
01:11:37,314 --> 01:11:38,748
is very proud to deliver
1938
01:11:38,816 --> 01:11:40,149
this great American athlete
1939
01:11:40,217 --> 01:11:42,485
back to the sport of cycling.
1940
01:11:42,586 --> 01:11:43,987
It's not like the deliveries
1941
01:11:44,054 --> 01:11:45,088
that we normally make.
1942
01:11:45,155 --> 01:11:47,290
[ Laughter ]
1943
01:11:47,358 --> 01:11:48,324
Lance, on behalf of
1944
01:11:48,392 --> 01:11:50,093
the 750,000 men and women
1945
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:51,227
of the US Postal Service,
1946
01:11:51,295 --> 01:11:52,161
we're proud to welcome you
1947
01:11:52,229 --> 01:11:53,429
to our team.
1948
01:11:53,497 --> 01:11:55,732
It wasn't my first choice,
1949
01:11:55,799 --> 01:11:56,933
but it was the only choice I
1950
01:11:57,001 --> 01:11:57,800
had.
1951
01:12:03,641 --> 01:12:04,607
Just one year -- just over
1952
01:12:04,675 --> 01:12:06,776
a year ago on October 9, 1996, I
1953
01:12:06,844 --> 01:12:07,777
sat before you and shared the
1954
01:12:07,845 --> 01:12:09,445
devastating news of my diagnosis
1955
01:12:09,513 --> 01:12:10,847
with testicular cancer.
1956
01:12:10,914 --> 01:12:12,582
This past year has truly been...
1957
01:12:12,683 --> 01:12:14,651
Thom Weisel, who at that time
1958
01:12:14,718 --> 01:12:17,186
owned the Postal Service team,
1959
01:12:17,254 --> 01:12:18,688
was like, "I want you, Lance,
1960
01:12:18,756 --> 01:12:20,189
but we're only gonna pay you
1961
01:12:20,257 --> 01:12:21,190
this much."
1962
01:12:21,258 --> 01:12:22,191
Which was kind of a little bit
1963
01:12:22,259 --> 01:12:23,159
of a slap in the face.
1964
01:12:23,227 --> 01:12:24,427
And Lance was like, "Man,
1965
01:12:24,495 --> 01:12:26,663
that's just -- That's a joke."
1966
01:12:26,764 --> 01:12:28,531
So Bill came up with an idea,
1967
01:12:28,599 --> 01:12:30,199
I think, I wasn't there for
1968
01:12:30,267 --> 01:12:31,167
this part of the negotiation,
1969
01:12:31,235 --> 01:12:31,868
but I do remember
1970
01:12:31,935 --> 01:12:34,771
it was tied to UCI points.
1971
01:12:34,838 --> 01:12:36,873
UCI is the organization
1972
01:12:36,940 --> 01:12:39,809
that runs cycling.
1973
01:12:39,877 --> 01:12:41,644
The more points that you have,
1974
01:12:41,712 --> 01:12:43,379
the more value you have as a
1975
01:12:43,447 --> 01:12:45,014
rider -- just as in football,
1976
01:12:45,082 --> 01:12:46,716
the more rushing yards that you
1977
01:12:46,784 --> 01:12:48,184
have or more passing yards
1978
01:12:48,252 --> 01:12:49,385
that you have, your value's
1979
01:12:49,453 --> 01:12:50,953
going to go up.
1980
01:12:51,021 --> 01:12:52,055
They said, "Okay,
1981
01:12:52,122 --> 01:12:54,457
for every UCI point Lance gets
1982
01:12:54,525 --> 01:12:57,560
he'll get $1,000 bonus."
1983
01:12:57,628 --> 01:12:59,295
So they took the deal.
1984
01:13:05,803 --> 01:13:08,004
He goes and does his first race.
1985
01:13:08,072 --> 01:13:09,739
He doesn't do
1986
01:13:09,807 --> 01:13:13,476
what he's known to do.
1987
01:13:13,544 --> 01:13:14,510
He got dropped in the race
1988
01:13:14,578 --> 01:13:15,645
in Pyr�n�es, and he just said,
1989
01:13:15,713 --> 01:13:16,145
"I'm out."
1990
01:13:16,213 --> 01:13:16,713
He went home.
1991
01:13:16,780 --> 01:13:17,914
Like, he didn't know what he was
1992
01:13:17,981 --> 01:13:18,514
gonna do.
1993
01:13:18,582 --> 01:13:19,716
And I remember we were in France
1994
01:13:19,783 --> 01:13:20,883
somewhere and he was just like,
1995
01:13:20,951 --> 01:13:22,251
"I can't do this anymore."
1996
01:13:22,352 --> 01:13:23,920
That was like the one
1997
01:13:23,987 --> 01:13:25,755
of the very few times in my life
1998
01:13:25,823 --> 01:13:26,756
or my experience with Lance
1999
01:13:26,824 --> 01:13:27,657
where I saw him
2000
01:13:27,725 --> 01:13:30,426
where he wasn't sure of himself.
2001
01:13:30,527 --> 01:13:34,097
I came back and thought,
2002
01:13:34,164 --> 01:13:35,431
"Oh, my God, like, I raced
2003
01:13:35,499 --> 01:13:36,432
probably for years
2004
01:13:36,500 --> 01:13:39,202
with metastatic cancer
2005
01:13:39,269 --> 01:13:40,503
in the lungs, in the abdomen,
2006
01:13:40,571 --> 01:13:41,237
in the brain.
2007
01:13:41,305 --> 01:13:43,439
Like, it's all gone now.
2008
01:13:43,507 --> 01:13:46,609
Like, I'm ready."
2009
01:13:46,677 --> 01:13:49,045
And it -- And I got my -- I went
2010
01:13:49,113 --> 01:13:50,947
over and got my ass kicked.
2011
01:13:51,014 --> 01:13:51,581
There was a lot
2012
01:13:51,648 --> 01:13:52,248
of expectations
2013
01:13:52,316 --> 01:13:53,182
he would do well here,
2014
01:13:53,250 --> 01:13:54,217
but instead mentally
2015
01:13:54,284 --> 01:13:55,451
he was broken.
2016
01:13:55,519 --> 01:13:56,719
He left for America.
2017
01:14:00,824 --> 01:14:03,893
[ Sea gulls calling ]
2018
01:14:09,466 --> 01:14:11,033
How did you meet Lance?
2019
01:14:11,135 --> 01:14:14,370
I met Lance last year
2020
01:14:14,438 --> 01:14:15,938
at the Ride for the Roses.
2021
01:14:16,006 --> 01:14:17,106
I was working for an advertising
2022
01:14:17,174 --> 01:14:18,741
and public-relations firm,
2023
01:14:18,809 --> 01:14:20,143
and we got to be friends.
2024
01:14:20,210 --> 01:14:20,977
Both of us were dating
2025
01:14:21,044 --> 01:14:21,944
other people at the time
2026
01:14:22,012 --> 01:14:26,783
but just sort of clicked.
2027
01:14:26,850 --> 01:14:27,984
We were in love and we wanted
2028
01:14:28,051 --> 01:14:29,285
to be married and start a
2029
01:14:29,353 --> 01:14:30,586
family, and she was a great
2030
01:14:30,654 --> 01:14:33,456
supporter of mine as a guy who
2031
01:14:33,524 --> 01:14:36,292
was being sort of reentered into
2032
01:14:36,360 --> 01:14:39,829
society.
2033
01:14:39,897 --> 01:14:41,164
In Santa Barbara,
2034
01:14:41,231 --> 01:14:42,732
we all went out to dinner
2035
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,601
and she seemed
2036
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:48,471
very sophisticated.
2037
01:14:48,539 --> 01:14:51,174
Almost, you know, soft-spoken,
2038
01:14:51,241 --> 01:14:53,009
demure, but Lance liked her
2039
01:14:53,076 --> 01:14:55,244
because she called him out.
2040
01:14:55,345 --> 01:14:55,845
Kind of like
2041
01:14:55,913 --> 01:14:56,746
the way Frankie did.
2042
01:14:56,814 --> 01:14:58,014
So that's what he really liked
2043
01:14:58,081 --> 01:14:59,982
about her.
2044
01:15:00,050 --> 01:15:02,451
After dinner he took me aside,
2045
01:15:02,519 --> 01:15:03,419
we were walking to the car
2046
01:15:03,487 --> 01:15:04,320
and he said, "Bets, come here."
2047
01:15:04,388 --> 01:15:05,154
And I said, "What?"
2048
01:15:05,222 --> 01:15:05,955
And he said, "What do you
2049
01:15:06,023 --> 01:15:07,089
think?"
2050
01:15:07,157 --> 01:15:09,859
And I said, "She seems nice.
2051
01:15:09,927 --> 01:15:10,459
I don't know why
2052
01:15:10,527 --> 01:15:11,160
she's with you."
2053
01:15:11,228 --> 01:15:12,962
[ Chuckles ]
2054
01:15:13,030 --> 01:15:13,763
I'm easy to get along
2055
01:15:13,831 --> 01:15:15,031
with, though.
2056
01:15:15,098 --> 01:15:15,798
No, I'm just kidding.
2057
01:15:15,866 --> 01:15:19,468
It depends on who you ask.
2058
01:15:19,536 --> 01:15:21,771
I am not always
2059
01:15:21,839 --> 01:15:23,105
the most level-headed person.
2060
01:15:23,173 --> 01:15:24,440
I'm pretty volatile.
2061
01:15:24,508 --> 01:15:25,808
She's pretty steady
2062
01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:26,642
and I certainly know
2063
01:15:26,710 --> 01:15:28,211
I need that in my life.
2064
01:15:28,278 --> 01:15:30,479
I need that steadying force,
2065
01:15:30,547 --> 01:15:34,450
and before I never had that.
2066
01:15:34,551 --> 01:15:36,686
I think for him he was
2067
01:15:36,753 --> 01:15:38,054
in this state of mind of,
2068
01:15:38,121 --> 01:15:40,056
"Okay, I've been through this
2069
01:15:40,123 --> 01:15:45,528
hell physically and...
2070
01:15:45,596 --> 01:15:48,698
I want all these things in my
2071
01:15:48,765 --> 01:15:51,167
life."
2072
01:15:51,268 --> 01:15:55,805
I think that's just natural.
2073
01:15:55,873 --> 01:15:57,039
That people that have been
2074
01:15:57,107 --> 01:15:57,740
on their death bed
2075
01:15:57,808 --> 01:15:59,408
when they come back,
2076
01:15:59,476 --> 01:16:01,310
if they don't already have that,
2077
01:16:01,378 --> 01:16:03,679
they want it, and they want it
2078
01:16:03,747 --> 01:16:05,348
quickly.
2079
01:16:11,588 --> 01:16:13,389
After you faced death,
2080
01:16:13,457 --> 01:16:17,193
was it hard to take EPO?
2081
01:16:19,663 --> 01:16:23,933
Um...you mean the decision?
2082
01:16:24,001 --> 01:16:24,734
Because it took --
2083
01:16:24,801 --> 01:16:25,935
we did EPO before
2084
01:16:26,003 --> 01:16:28,838
and then obviously did it after.
2085
01:16:28,906 --> 01:16:30,172
No.
2086
01:16:32,476 --> 01:16:33,743
[ Chuckles ]
2087
01:16:33,810 --> 01:16:35,177
No.
2088
01:16:35,245 --> 01:16:37,713
No.
2089
01:16:37,781 --> 01:16:38,247
Because?
2090
01:16:38,315 --> 01:16:40,449
Jesus. Sorry.
2091
01:16:40,517 --> 01:16:42,018
Um...
2092
01:16:45,289 --> 01:16:46,856
In many ways -- and this is not,
2093
01:16:46,924 --> 01:16:47,790
you know, this is not going
2094
01:16:47,858 --> 01:16:48,624
to be a popular answer,
2095
01:16:48,692 --> 01:16:52,728
but in many ways,
2096
01:16:52,796 --> 01:16:58,134
EPO is a safe drug.
2097
01:16:58,201 --> 01:17:00,202
And, you know,
2098
01:17:00,270 --> 01:17:00,970
assuming certain things.
2099
01:17:01,038 --> 01:17:03,472
Assuming taken properly,
2100
01:17:03,540 --> 01:17:04,573
assuming taken
2101
01:17:04,641 --> 01:17:05,708
under the guidance
2102
01:17:05,776 --> 01:17:09,612
of a medical professional,
2103
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:11,414
taken in, you know,
2104
01:17:11,481 --> 01:17:15,985
conservative amounts.
2105
01:17:16,053 --> 01:17:17,053
There are far worse things
2106
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:19,021
you can put in your body.
2107
01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:24,393
Do you ever see yourself
2108
01:17:24,461 --> 01:17:26,595
doing the Tour again?
2109
01:17:26,663 --> 01:17:28,597
[ Sighs ]
2110
01:17:28,665 --> 01:17:29,632
I mean, it's such
2111
01:17:29,700 --> 01:17:30,800
a long way off, but, I mean...
2112
01:17:30,867 --> 01:17:32,301
Yeah, that's --
2113
01:17:34,538 --> 01:17:35,838
Uh...
2114
01:17:35,906 --> 01:17:38,641
That's a tough one to answer.
2115
01:17:38,709 --> 01:17:40,343
My gut tells me, no, never
2116
01:17:40,410 --> 01:17:41,410
again.
2117
01:17:41,478 --> 01:17:42,745
That's my first instinct.
2118
01:17:42,813 --> 01:17:44,981
Yeah.
2119
01:17:45,048 --> 01:17:46,782
It's such a hard event,
2120
01:17:46,850 --> 01:17:49,085
and I don't know
2121
01:17:49,152 --> 01:17:51,320
what's gonna happen with me
2122
01:17:51,388 --> 01:17:54,657
and cycling in 1999.
2123
01:17:54,725 --> 01:17:55,624
This year it certainly won't
2124
01:17:55,692 --> 01:18:01,530
happen.
2125
01:18:09,002 --> 01:18:10,769
An investigation into the use
2126
01:18:10,837 --> 01:18:11,870
of banned substances
2127
01:18:11,938 --> 01:18:13,305
at this year's Tour de France
2128
01:18:13,373 --> 01:18:14,573
has led to the expulsion
2129
01:18:14,641 --> 01:18:16,141
of the top-rated Festina team.
2130
01:18:16,209 --> 01:18:17,443
The team manager admitted
2131
01:18:17,510 --> 01:18:18,777
that some of his riders had been
2132
01:18:18,845 --> 01:18:20,379
using performance-enhancing
2133
01:18:20,447 --> 01:18:22,715
drugs under medical supervision.
2134
01:18:22,782 --> 01:18:23,882
The world's most grueling
2135
01:18:23,950 --> 01:18:24,883
sporting event all
2136
01:18:24,951 --> 01:18:26,151
but collapsed today under
2137
01:18:26,219 --> 01:18:27,453
the weight of a drug scandal
2138
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:28,454
that has threatened the very
2139
01:18:28,521 --> 01:18:30,556
future of the Tour de France.
2140
01:18:30,624 --> 01:18:35,294
[ Woman speaking French ]
2141
01:18:35,362 --> 01:18:36,228
All of us were a little bit
2142
01:18:36,296 --> 01:18:37,796
shocked that, you know,
2143
01:18:37,864 --> 01:18:38,964
law enforcement would come in
2144
01:18:39,032 --> 01:18:40,165
on this.
2145
01:18:40,266 --> 01:18:41,800
This isn't just a sporting issue
2146
01:18:41,868 --> 01:18:42,267
anymore.
2147
01:18:42,335 --> 01:18:44,269
Now this is a legal, you know,
2148
01:18:44,337 --> 01:18:45,638
penal issue.
2149
01:18:45,872 --> 01:18:48,574
Festina showed that a team
2150
01:18:48,642 --> 01:18:49,942
was actually --
2151
01:18:50,010 --> 01:18:51,510
you could near enough say
2152
01:18:51,578 --> 01:18:53,112
on an industrial basis --
2153
01:18:53,179 --> 01:18:55,648
utilizing doping products.
2154
01:18:55,715 --> 01:18:56,782
These guys were going
2155
01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:57,683
to jail.
2156
01:18:57,751 --> 01:18:59,418
They were getting, you know,
2157
01:18:59,486 --> 01:19:01,954
the old French strip search,
2158
01:19:02,022 --> 01:19:02,955
body cavity search
2159
01:19:03,023 --> 01:19:05,958
sort of things.
2160
01:19:06,026 --> 01:19:07,426
Luckily, I didn't speak
2161
01:19:07,494 --> 01:19:09,161
very good French at that time.
2162
01:19:09,229 --> 01:19:12,297
[ Man speaking French ]
2163
01:19:12,365 --> 01:19:13,832
We would just go into our room,
2164
01:19:13,900 --> 01:19:15,868
lock the door, watch MTV,
2165
01:19:15,935 --> 01:19:17,503
and wake up in the morning
2166
01:19:17,570 --> 01:19:20,305
ready to go again, all motivated
2167
01:19:20,373 --> 01:19:22,307
and looking forward to the day.
2168
01:19:22,375 --> 01:19:22,941
And then we'd get
2169
01:19:23,009 --> 01:19:23,709
to the breakfast table
2170
01:19:23,777 --> 01:19:25,010
and all of our French teammates
2171
01:19:25,078 --> 01:19:26,045
would have like bags
2172
01:19:26,112 --> 01:19:28,313
under their eyes, bloodshot eyes
2173
01:19:28,381 --> 01:19:30,149
because they were up listening
2174
01:19:30,216 --> 01:19:32,885
to everything on the news.
2175
01:19:32,952 --> 01:19:34,153
People are either arrested,
2176
01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:35,320
they drop out of the race,
2177
01:19:35,388 --> 01:19:36,689
they disappear in the night.
2178
01:19:36,756 --> 01:19:37,890
ONCE disappeared.
2179
01:19:37,957 --> 01:19:38,824
They just put everybody
2180
01:19:38,892 --> 01:19:43,228
on the bus and took off.
2181
01:19:43,296 --> 01:19:43,862
Carnage.
2182
01:19:43,930 --> 01:19:46,331
It was utter carnage.
2183
01:19:46,399 --> 01:19:48,500
People were getting rid of drugs
2184
01:19:48,568 --> 01:19:50,069
like they were going out
2185
01:19:50,136 --> 01:19:51,170
of fashion -- which I guess
2186
01:19:51,237 --> 01:19:53,205
they were, at that race, anyway.
2187
01:19:53,273 --> 01:19:55,207
Up till that moment
2188
01:19:55,275 --> 01:19:56,341
when that happened,
2189
01:19:56,409 --> 01:19:57,976
it was like the Wild West.
2190
01:19:58,044 --> 01:19:59,878
Everything very open.
2191
01:19:59,946 --> 01:20:00,913
White lunch bags getting
2192
01:20:00,980 --> 01:20:02,514
passed out like this.
2193
01:20:02,582 --> 01:20:05,050
[ Speaking French ]
2194
01:20:20,900 --> 01:20:23,602
Doctors were petrified.
2195
01:20:23,670 --> 01:20:24,570
And actually I quite enjoyed
2196
01:20:24,637 --> 01:20:25,537
seeing the doctors scared,
2197
01:20:25,605 --> 01:20:27,372
because I'd always had a problem
2198
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:28,107
with the doctors.
2199
01:20:28,174 --> 01:20:29,041
Because I thought you're meant
2200
01:20:29,109 --> 01:20:30,175
to look after people's health,
2201
01:20:30,243 --> 01:20:31,543
and kind
2202
01:20:31,611 --> 01:20:33,378
of providing performance
2203
01:20:33,446 --> 01:20:34,747
enhancing drugs isn't looking
2204
01:20:34,814 --> 01:20:36,315
after someone's health, is it?
2205
01:20:40,954 --> 01:20:42,788
It was seen that there was
2206
01:20:42,856 --> 01:20:44,389
a need for an objective
2207
01:20:44,457 --> 01:20:46,558
third party to enforce the
2208
01:20:46,626 --> 01:20:49,928
anti-doping rules of a sport.
2209
01:20:49,996 --> 01:20:53,065
It was that scandal which led
2210
01:20:53,133 --> 01:20:56,034
to the creation of WADA.
2211
01:20:56,102 --> 01:20:57,703
The problem at that time
2212
01:20:57,771 --> 01:20:59,271
was that the athletes
2213
01:20:59,339 --> 01:21:01,273
were ahead of the system.
2214
01:21:01,341 --> 01:21:03,075
And it took several years
2215
01:21:03,143 --> 01:21:04,276
for WADA to catch up
2216
01:21:04,344 --> 01:21:06,078
with exactly what products
2217
01:21:06,146 --> 01:21:07,713
the athletes were using
2218
01:21:07,781 --> 01:21:11,450
and to create tests for those.
2219
01:21:11,518 --> 01:21:12,885
The effects of this Tour --
2220
01:21:12,952 --> 01:21:14,153
not over at this point.
2221
01:21:14,220 --> 01:21:15,621
Phil Liggett, you've seen 26 of
2222
01:21:15,688 --> 01:21:16,088
these.
2223
01:21:16,156 --> 01:21:17,322
You've been a part of that
2224
01:21:17,390 --> 01:21:19,224
for all these years.
2225
01:21:19,292 --> 01:21:20,092
You told me it's the most
2226
01:21:20,160 --> 01:21:21,593
amazing race you've ever seen.
2227
01:21:21,661 --> 01:21:22,828
What about the Tour de France
2228
01:21:22,896 --> 01:21:23,462
in the future?
2229
01:21:23,530 --> 01:21:24,229
What kind of an effect
2230
01:21:24,297 --> 01:21:25,597
will the controversy have?
2231
01:21:25,665 --> 01:21:26,431
The important thing
2232
01:21:26,499 --> 01:21:27,799
is the sport of cycling
2233
01:21:27,867 --> 01:21:29,268
has been hit very hard.
2234
01:21:29,335 --> 01:21:30,435
It must take a real hard
2235
01:21:30,503 --> 01:21:31,470
look at itself.
2236
01:21:31,538 --> 01:21:32,504
We want the cheats out,
2237
01:21:32,572 --> 01:21:33,605
and the only way to achieve that
2238
01:21:33,673 --> 01:21:35,240
is to have better dope controls
2239
01:21:35,308 --> 01:21:35,941
and to give much
2240
01:21:36,009 --> 01:21:37,409
stiffer penalties for those
2241
01:21:37,477 --> 01:21:38,911
who are guilty of cheating.
2242
01:21:42,582 --> 01:21:43,282
Lance didn't ride
2243
01:21:43,349 --> 01:21:45,284
the Tour in 1998.
2244
01:21:45,351 --> 01:21:47,186
He had kind of a stop-and-start
2245
01:21:47,253 --> 01:21:50,355
season.
2246
01:21:50,456 --> 01:21:51,857
I grew really frustrated.
2247
01:21:51,925 --> 01:21:54,193
Basically quit.
2248
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:55,494
My wife at the time, Kristin,
2249
01:21:55,562 --> 01:21:56,261
and a group of friends
2250
01:21:56,329 --> 01:21:58,297
were like, "Look, you can't --
2251
01:21:58,364 --> 01:21:59,798
you can't quit like this.
2252
01:21:59,866 --> 01:22:01,366
You have to finish the season.
2253
01:22:01,434 --> 01:22:02,601
Just go finish the season.
2254
01:22:02,669 --> 01:22:04,770
Just ride it out,
2255
01:22:04,837 --> 01:22:07,439
and then you can retire."
2256
01:22:07,507 --> 01:22:09,474
So when I came back
2257
01:22:09,542 --> 01:22:12,144
in the late summer and fall,
2258
01:22:12,212 --> 01:22:13,278
I made a deal with myself.
2259
01:22:13,346 --> 01:22:15,948
I said, "The only promise I have
2260
01:22:16,015 --> 01:22:17,115
is that I will finish
2261
01:22:17,183 --> 01:22:19,017
every race that I start.
2262
01:22:19,085 --> 01:22:22,487
I won't quit a race."
2263
01:22:22,555 --> 01:22:24,356
And I started winning.
2264
01:22:24,424 --> 01:22:25,991
Everything.
2265
01:22:26,059 --> 01:22:27,292
I won the Tour of Luxembourg.
2266
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:28,493
I won a big race in Germany.
2267
01:22:28,561 --> 01:22:30,329
Fourth in the Tour of Spain.
2268
01:22:30,396 --> 01:22:31,330
So that's the first time
2269
01:22:31,397 --> 01:22:32,497
that I had proven myself
2270
01:22:32,565 --> 01:22:34,700
in a three-week race.
2271
01:22:34,767 --> 01:22:35,834
And that was a surprise
2272
01:22:35,902 --> 01:22:36,368
to everybody.
2273
01:22:36,436 --> 01:22:38,904
Surprise to me.
2274
01:22:38,972 --> 01:22:40,472
I convinced in the fall,
2275
01:22:40,540 --> 01:22:41,573
I convinced Johan Bruyneel
2276
01:22:41,641 --> 01:22:42,474
to come on and be
2277
01:22:42,542 --> 01:22:44,576
the new director of this team.
2278
01:22:44,644 --> 01:22:45,844
You have the Tour de France,
2279
01:22:45,912 --> 01:22:47,679
Tour of Italy, Tour of Spain.
2280
01:22:47,780 --> 01:22:48,747
There's three races
2281
01:22:48,815 --> 01:22:51,250
that are three weeks long.
2282
01:22:51,317 --> 01:22:53,552
Anybody who gets a good result,
2283
01:22:53,620 --> 01:22:54,753
top five or podium
2284
01:22:54,821 --> 01:22:57,322
in one of those big races
2285
01:22:57,390 --> 01:22:58,223
has the potential
2286
01:22:58,291 --> 01:23:00,359
to be in the front.
2287
01:23:00,460 --> 01:23:01,660
I'm not talking about winning,
2288
01:23:01,728 --> 01:23:02,361
but in the front
2289
01:23:02,428 --> 01:23:04,496
at the Tour de France.
2290
01:23:04,564 --> 01:23:05,697
This realization that "Oh,
2291
01:23:05,765 --> 01:23:06,531
my God, I'm gonna get
2292
01:23:06,599 --> 01:23:07,733
another shot at this --"
2293
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:08,533
another shot at life,
2294
01:23:08,601 --> 01:23:09,534
another shot at sport,
2295
01:23:09,602 --> 01:23:11,203
another shot at glory,
2296
01:23:11,271 --> 01:23:12,704
another shot at money,
2297
01:23:12,772 --> 01:23:13,872
another shot at fame.
2298
01:23:13,940 --> 01:23:17,109
All these other shots.
2299
01:23:17,176 --> 01:23:20,779
Johan said, "You're going
2300
01:23:20,847 --> 01:23:22,381
to look really good
2301
01:23:22,448 --> 01:23:23,348
standing on the podium at
2302
01:23:23,416 --> 01:23:27,052
the Tour de France next year."
2303
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:29,121
That moment cemented
2304
01:23:29,188 --> 01:23:31,089
their relationship
2305
01:23:31,157 --> 01:23:32,557
because Lance was still
2306
01:23:32,625 --> 01:23:34,126
in a very defiant mode
2307
01:23:34,193 --> 01:23:36,962
at that point about his illness.
2308
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:37,796
That, you know,
2309
01:23:37,864 --> 01:23:38,630
"I'm gonna come back
2310
01:23:38,698 --> 01:23:42,100
and I'm gonna show you all."
2311
01:23:42,168 --> 01:23:43,702
I held on to a lot
2312
01:23:43,770 --> 01:23:46,204
of bitterness about --
2313
01:23:46,272 --> 01:23:48,040
If you have 20 teams in the Tour
2314
01:23:48,107 --> 01:23:52,611
those other 19...them.
2315
01:23:52,679 --> 01:23:54,112
And I was gonna get them.
2316
01:23:59,319 --> 01:24:00,419
With the beauty and the
2317
01:24:00,486 --> 01:24:01,620
tradition as classic as
2318
01:24:01,688 --> 01:24:03,221
the French countryside itself,
2319
01:24:03,289 --> 01:24:04,256
the curtain now comes up
2320
01:24:04,324 --> 01:24:06,625
on the 1999 Tour de France.
2321
01:24:06,693 --> 01:24:08,627
Lance Armstrong now completing
2322
01:24:08,695 --> 01:24:09,795
a miraculous recovery
2323
01:24:09,862 --> 01:24:11,997
from testicular cancer.
2324
01:24:12,065 --> 01:24:13,899
Since 1903, the only thing
2325
01:24:13,966 --> 01:24:14,800
that has ever canceled the
2326
01:24:14,867 --> 01:24:15,934
Tour de France has been
2327
01:24:16,002 --> 01:24:16,635
world war.
2328
01:24:16,703 --> 01:24:17,502
Not even last year's
2329
01:24:17,570 --> 01:24:19,271
drug scandal could do that.
2330
01:24:19,339 --> 01:24:20,439
But when you look at the numbers
2331
01:24:20,506 --> 01:24:22,240
and the overview of the course,
2332
01:24:22,308 --> 01:24:23,008
this may be
2333
01:24:23,076 --> 01:24:24,176
an attempt by Tour organizers
2334
01:24:24,243 --> 01:24:25,410
to create an easier race
2335
01:24:25,478 --> 01:24:26,912
so that cyclists don't have to
2336
01:24:26,979 --> 01:24:29,648
use performance-enhancing drugs.
2337
01:24:29,749 --> 01:24:30,849
The challenge the first year
2338
01:24:30,917 --> 01:24:35,020
was find or have nine guys
2339
01:24:35,088 --> 01:24:36,021
that were actually capable
2340
01:24:36,089 --> 01:24:39,791
of riding the Tour de France.
2341
01:24:39,859 --> 01:24:44,296
First year was Lance, George,
2342
01:24:44,364 --> 01:24:46,698
Kevin Livingston,
2343
01:24:46,766 --> 01:24:50,369
Hamilton, Frankie Andreu,
2344
01:24:50,436 --> 01:24:51,203
we had a French guy --
2345
01:24:51,270 --> 01:24:52,804
Pascal Deram�,
2346
01:24:52,872 --> 01:24:55,307
Danish guy, Peter Meinert,
2347
01:24:55,375 --> 01:24:56,274
Christian Vande Velde,
2348
01:24:56,342 --> 01:24:58,043
who was a young rider,
2349
01:24:58,111 --> 01:25:02,047
and then Jonathan Vaughters.
2350
01:25:02,115 --> 01:25:03,482
Nine guys.
2351
01:25:03,549 --> 01:25:06,051
One is a protected leader for
2352
01:25:06,119 --> 01:25:07,285
the team.
2353
01:25:07,353 --> 01:25:09,621
Everybody else essentially is --
2354
01:25:09,689 --> 01:25:10,722
they use the French term
2355
01:25:10,823 --> 01:25:12,958
"domestique," which means
2356
01:25:13,025 --> 01:25:15,727
you're in service of the leader.
2357
01:25:15,795 --> 01:25:17,028
So we're going into the '99
2358
01:25:17,096 --> 01:25:17,896
Tour of redemption.
2359
01:25:17,964 --> 01:25:19,064
Everybody's thinking, "Okay.
2360
01:25:19,132 --> 01:25:19,998
Well, we had our worst
2361
01:25:20,066 --> 01:25:21,366
experience and everything's
2362
01:25:21,434 --> 01:25:22,534
gonna be clean now."
2363
01:25:22,602 --> 01:25:23,835
And obviously, you know,
2364
01:25:23,903 --> 01:25:27,539
I thought so too.
2365
01:25:27,607 --> 01:25:28,140
I didn't think
2366
01:25:28,207 --> 01:25:31,510
it could get worse.
2367
01:25:31,577 --> 01:25:33,845
The drug that was the most
2368
01:25:33,913 --> 01:25:36,515
beneficial for cyclists, EPO --
2369
01:25:36,582 --> 01:25:38,183
That drug was still
2370
01:25:38,251 --> 01:25:40,585
undetectable.
2371
01:25:40,653 --> 01:25:41,586
So people could take it
2372
01:25:41,654 --> 01:25:44,689
and not get caught.
2373
01:25:44,757 --> 01:25:45,590
The performance-enhancing
2374
01:25:45,658 --> 01:25:47,759
benefit can be 10%.
2375
01:25:47,827 --> 01:25:48,727
Now, consider that the
2376
01:25:48,795 --> 01:25:50,061
difference between the first-
2377
01:25:50,129 --> 01:25:52,564
place rider and the last-place
2378
01:25:52,632 --> 01:25:53,832
rider in the Tour de France
2379
01:25:53,900 --> 01:25:55,267
generally is about two hours,
2380
01:25:55,334 --> 01:25:56,935
okay, and that's
2381
01:25:57,003 --> 01:25:59,204
for a 100-hour race.
2382
01:25:59,305 --> 01:26:02,441
So from first to last is 2%,
2383
01:26:02,508 --> 01:26:04,276
and the difference of EPO
2384
01:26:04,343 --> 01:26:05,844
is 10%.
2385
01:26:05,912 --> 01:26:07,512
Now, it's more complicated
2386
01:26:07,580 --> 01:26:08,780
than that, of course.
2387
01:26:08,848 --> 01:26:11,383
But that gives you a lens
2388
01:26:11,451 --> 01:26:14,119
into how much of a difference
2389
01:26:14,187 --> 01:26:18,457
this particular drug made.
2390
01:26:18,524 --> 01:26:20,258
You had the tremendous
2391
01:26:20,326 --> 01:26:22,961
performance benefit,
2392
01:26:23,029 --> 01:26:25,430
and you had the fact that nobody
2393
01:26:25,498 --> 01:26:27,966
was scared to take it.
2394
01:26:28,034 --> 01:26:28,767
If you want to win
2395
01:26:28,835 --> 01:26:30,135
the yellow jersey in Paris,
2396
01:26:30,203 --> 01:26:31,136
you've got stay up near
2397
01:26:31,204 --> 01:26:32,304
the front throughout the race.
2398
01:26:32,371 --> 01:26:33,104
And you do that
2399
01:26:33,172 --> 01:26:34,639
by doing well in time trials.
2400
01:26:34,707 --> 01:26:35,540
And this is the prologue
2401
01:26:35,608 --> 01:26:37,142
time trial.
2402
01:26:37,243 --> 01:26:39,744
As he was coming back
2403
01:26:39,812 --> 01:26:40,612
and getting ready for the Tour
2404
01:26:40,680 --> 01:26:41,646
there was one company
2405
01:26:41,714 --> 01:26:43,448
that we had talked to,
2406
01:26:43,516 --> 01:26:45,116
Bristol-Myers Squibb.
2407
01:26:45,218 --> 01:26:47,619
They made all three
2408
01:26:47,687 --> 01:26:50,088
of the chemotherapy drugs
2409
01:26:50,156 --> 01:26:51,389
that Lance used
2410
01:26:51,457 --> 01:26:52,657
to save his life.
2411
01:26:52,725 --> 01:26:54,926
It seems like the most obvious
2412
01:26:54,994 --> 01:26:56,094
sort of commercial partnership
2413
01:26:56,162 --> 01:26:58,597
you could come up with, right?
2414
01:26:58,664 --> 01:27:01,500
I spent a year with this company
2415
01:27:01,567 --> 01:27:02,801
trying to convince them
2416
01:27:02,869 --> 01:27:04,836
and never was able to do it.
2417
01:27:04,904 --> 01:27:06,972
He is aiming at 8:09.
2418
01:27:07,039 --> 01:27:08,006
He's certainly ahead
2419
01:27:08,074 --> 01:27:09,441
of Chris Boardman at this point!
2420
01:27:09,509 --> 01:27:12,911
My goodness me! 802.51.
2421
01:27:12,979 --> 01:27:14,312
Lance Armstrong with that
2422
01:27:14,380 --> 01:27:16,014
performance, Paul, I think may
2423
01:27:16,082 --> 01:27:16,815
have done enough.
2424
01:27:16,883 --> 01:27:17,516
Look at the face
2425
01:27:17,583 --> 01:27:18,450
on Armstrong there.
2426
01:27:18,518 --> 01:27:19,651
He's come here on a mission
2427
01:27:19,719 --> 01:27:20,952
and today, Phil, he's done
2428
01:27:21,020 --> 01:27:22,287
the best prologue time
2429
01:27:22,355 --> 01:27:25,290
trial of his life.
2430
01:27:25,358 --> 01:27:27,492
Lance wins the prologue,
2431
01:27:27,560 --> 01:27:29,160
and my phone rings
2432
01:27:29,228 --> 01:27:30,295
and it's John Kouten
2433
01:27:30,363 --> 01:27:31,096
from Bristol-Myers Squibb.
2434
01:27:31,163 --> 01:27:31,997
He said, "This is the most
2435
01:27:32,064 --> 01:27:32,797
embarrassing phone call
2436
01:27:32,865 --> 01:27:33,932
I've ever had to make.
2437
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:37,202
We're ready to do a deal."
2438
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:38,470
I didn't expect Lance
2439
01:27:38,538 --> 01:27:41,473
to win the prologue.
2440
01:27:41,574 --> 01:27:42,307
All of a sudden you go
2441
01:27:42,375 --> 01:27:44,309
from like, okay, maybe I can
2442
01:27:44,377 --> 01:27:45,544
try to get in the breakaway
2443
01:27:45,611 --> 01:27:49,548
or try to win a stage to like...
2444
01:27:49,615 --> 01:27:50,482
we've got to, like, protect
2445
01:27:50,550 --> 01:27:51,683
the overall lead here."
2446
01:27:55,288 --> 01:27:58,189
We were not prepared at all.
2447
01:27:58,257 --> 01:27:59,958
It just happened to us
2448
01:28:00,026 --> 01:28:01,726
and we were living it
2449
01:28:01,794 --> 01:28:03,194
from day to day,
2450
01:28:03,262 --> 01:28:05,997
you know, "Okay, another day.
2451
01:28:06,065 --> 01:28:10,035
Okay, we survived another day."
2452
01:28:10,102 --> 01:28:11,002
In cycling and in general,
2453
01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:12,137
I think you'll realize
2454
01:28:12,204 --> 01:28:13,338
that most of the guys,
2455
01:28:13,406 --> 01:28:14,739
it's such a hard sport
2456
01:28:14,807 --> 01:28:16,541
that most people are
2457
01:28:16,609 --> 01:28:18,076
just not too big of egos
2458
01:28:18,144 --> 01:28:19,177
that are involved just because
2459
01:28:19,245 --> 01:28:20,245
one day you're doing great, the
2460
01:28:20,313 --> 01:28:22,347
next day you're on the ground.
2461
01:28:22,448 --> 01:28:24,082
So I think it keeps
2462
01:28:24,150 --> 01:28:26,017
everyone quite humble.
2463
01:28:26,085 --> 01:28:27,185
What about Lance?
2464
01:28:27,253 --> 01:28:27,686
Lance?
2465
01:28:27,753 --> 01:28:28,687
[ Laughs ]
2466
01:28:28,754 --> 01:28:30,255
That's good.
2467
01:28:30,323 --> 01:28:31,923
Then you have Lance.
2468
01:28:31,991 --> 01:28:33,391
Armstrong has won three time
2469
01:28:33,459 --> 01:28:34,593
trials this year, two of them
2470
01:28:34,660 --> 01:28:36,828
prologues, one on the open road.
2471
01:28:36,896 --> 01:28:37,929
I bet he'd trade all three
2472
01:28:37,997 --> 01:28:39,264
for the win right now.
2473
01:28:39,332 --> 01:28:40,398
This is traditionally one
2474
01:28:40,466 --> 01:28:41,600
of the most significant days
2475
01:28:41,667 --> 01:28:42,667
of any Tour de France.
2476
01:28:42,735 --> 01:28:44,436
Whoever wins today immediately
2477
01:28:44,503 --> 01:28:46,037
becomes the odds-on favorite
2478
01:28:46,105 --> 01:28:46,871
to win the Tour
2479
01:28:46,939 --> 01:28:48,239
and subsequently establishes
2480
01:28:48,307 --> 01:28:49,841
the tactics that must be used
2481
01:28:49,909 --> 01:28:50,609
by the rest of the field
2482
01:28:50,676 --> 01:28:51,610
as we go into the mountains
2483
01:28:51,677 --> 01:28:52,677
in the final two weeks.
2484
01:28:52,745 --> 01:28:53,445
This is it.
2485
01:28:53,512 --> 01:28:54,913
Lance Armstrong has got the
2486
01:28:54,981 --> 01:28:56,715
world time trial champion in his
2487
01:28:56,782 --> 01:28:58,917
sights, and he's going in.
2488
01:28:58,985 --> 01:29:00,285
This is unbelievable.
2489
01:29:00,353 --> 01:29:01,019
You could have got
2490
01:29:01,087 --> 01:29:02,220
any odds on this happening
2491
01:29:02,288 --> 01:29:03,421
and they would have been long.
2492
01:29:03,489 --> 01:29:04,422
And he's gonna catch him.
2493
01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:06,091
In 1999, I was
2494
01:29:06,158 --> 01:29:08,193
running LanceArmstrong.com.
2495
01:29:08,294 --> 01:29:10,195
It was hosted out of my buddy's
2496
01:29:10,262 --> 01:29:11,796
garage in Tampa Bay,
2497
01:29:11,864 --> 01:29:16,067
Florida, on a 286 computer.
2498
01:29:16,168 --> 01:29:17,202
I got this call.
2499
01:29:17,269 --> 01:29:18,903
My friend says, "You have
2500
01:29:18,971 --> 01:29:20,138
crashed every server that I
2501
01:29:20,206 --> 01:29:22,207
have," because Americans were
2502
01:29:22,274 --> 01:29:23,141
starting to clamor for
2503
01:29:23,209 --> 01:29:24,576
information about how well Lance
2504
01:29:24,644 --> 01:29:27,412
was doing.
2505
01:29:27,480 --> 01:29:28,613
We had the opportunity
2506
01:29:28,681 --> 01:29:30,782
to take this to the masses
2507
01:29:30,850 --> 01:29:31,616
in a way that had never
2508
01:29:31,684 --> 01:29:33,151
really been done before, and the
2509
01:29:33,219 --> 01:29:34,386
masses cared.
2510
01:29:34,487 --> 01:29:39,290
[ Cheers and applause ]
2511
01:29:39,358 --> 01:29:40,592
Despite the fans' continued
2512
01:29:40,660 --> 01:29:41,826
support this has been
2513
01:29:41,894 --> 01:29:43,261
a Tour of Suspicion following
2514
01:29:43,329 --> 01:29:44,963
last year's Tour of Shame.
2515
01:29:45,031 --> 01:29:46,398
The French media in particular
2516
01:29:46,465 --> 01:29:47,666
have speculated that a man
2517
01:29:47,733 --> 01:29:49,100
who has been so ill
2518
01:29:49,168 --> 01:29:50,301
could only win one of the most
2519
01:29:50,369 --> 01:29:51,670
grueling events in sport
2520
01:29:51,737 --> 01:29:53,638
with the help of illegal drugs.
2521
01:29:58,010 --> 01:29:58,810
A lot of the journalists
2522
01:29:58,878 --> 01:30:00,945
who were skeptical about Lance
2523
01:30:01,013 --> 01:30:02,147
were skeptical in the first week
2524
01:30:02,214 --> 01:30:04,182
of the Tour de France.
2525
01:30:04,250 --> 01:30:05,650
And then as Lance
2526
01:30:05,718 --> 01:30:07,419
kind of cemented his position
2527
01:30:07,486 --> 01:30:08,820
in the yellow jersey,
2528
01:30:08,888 --> 01:30:09,587
they found themselves
2529
01:30:09,655 --> 01:30:11,589
being more challenged.
2530
01:30:11,691 --> 01:30:12,991
The guy's been through so
2531
01:30:13,059 --> 01:30:13,425
much.
2532
01:30:13,492 --> 01:30:14,759
He deserves this more than
2533
01:30:14,827 --> 01:30:15,527
anybody.
2534
01:30:15,594 --> 01:30:16,528
He's gonna do it,
2535
01:30:16,595 --> 01:30:17,629
and it's for him.
2536
01:30:17,697 --> 01:30:19,030
This is his Tour de France.
2537
01:30:19,098 --> 01:30:21,700
Tour de Lance!
2538
01:30:21,767 --> 01:30:23,668
You can get terrible cancer,
2539
01:30:23,736 --> 01:30:24,803
you can recover,
2540
01:30:24,870 --> 01:30:25,704
you can come back,
2541
01:30:25,771 --> 01:30:26,671
and you can be better
2542
01:30:26,739 --> 01:30:28,540
than you ever were before.
2543
01:30:28,607 --> 01:30:32,444
People love that story.
2544
01:30:32,511 --> 01:30:34,379
But if you were prepared to look
2545
01:30:34,447 --> 01:30:36,014
at it with any degree of
2546
01:30:36,082 --> 01:30:37,549
honesty, you would say,
2547
01:30:37,616 --> 01:30:39,317
"Hold on."
2548
01:30:39,385 --> 01:30:40,552
The race would be slower
2549
01:30:40,619 --> 01:30:41,653
because they would be using
2550
01:30:41,721 --> 01:30:43,621
far less drugs, so the speeds
2551
01:30:43,689 --> 01:30:44,789
would drop.
2552
01:30:44,857 --> 01:30:46,558
And '99 was the fastest Tour in
2553
01:30:46,625 --> 01:30:47,726
history.
2554
01:30:52,765 --> 01:30:54,466
Hein Verbruggen and
2555
01:30:54,533 --> 01:30:58,369
Pat McQuaid looked the other way
2556
01:30:58,437 --> 01:30:59,537
when it was pretty obvious
2557
01:30:59,605 --> 01:31:02,240
that Armstrong had been doping.
2558
01:31:02,308 --> 01:31:03,475
There were media complaints
2559
01:31:03,542 --> 01:31:10,148
that Lance was -- he was a
2560
01:31:10,216 --> 01:31:12,417
favored rider of Hein's.
2561
01:31:12,518 --> 01:31:14,919
He was helping the sport
2562
01:31:14,987 --> 01:31:16,921
become a global sport.
2563
01:31:16,989 --> 01:31:19,491
And so Hein at that time would
2564
01:31:19,558 --> 01:31:22,060
have thought that Lance was,
2565
01:31:22,128 --> 01:31:25,997
you know, a great star and that
2566
01:31:26,065 --> 01:31:29,367
he was good for the sport.
2567
01:31:29,435 --> 01:31:30,702
If the question is, "How much
2568
01:31:30,770 --> 01:31:31,903
did you have Hein Verbruggen
2569
01:31:31,971 --> 01:31:33,204
in your pocket?" there's a lot
2570
01:31:33,272 --> 01:31:34,372
of different ways to answer
2571
01:31:34,440 --> 01:31:35,173
that.
2572
01:31:35,241 --> 01:31:38,943
Financially, zero.
2573
01:31:39,011 --> 01:31:41,246
Did Hein --
2574
01:31:41,313 --> 01:31:42,614
And he's no longer with us
2575
01:31:42,681 --> 01:31:43,715
to answer this question himself,
2576
01:31:43,783 --> 01:31:46,951
but do I believe that Hein
2577
01:31:47,019 --> 01:31:49,787
wanted to protect the sport?
2578
01:31:49,855 --> 01:31:51,222
Yes.
2579
01:31:51,290 --> 01:31:52,457
Protect me?
2580
01:31:52,525 --> 01:31:54,125
Yes, because that protects the
2581
01:31:54,193 --> 01:31:57,028
sport.
2582
01:31:57,096 --> 01:31:58,796
He was coming off the heels of
2583
01:31:58,864 --> 01:31:59,464
Festina.
2584
01:31:59,532 --> 01:32:01,099
The world is following this
2585
01:32:01,167 --> 01:32:02,600
story of this cancer survivor,
2586
01:32:02,668 --> 01:32:03,801
and then bam --
2587
01:32:03,869 --> 01:32:05,770
the headline "Cortisone
2588
01:32:05,838 --> 01:32:07,572
found in his urine sample."
2589
01:32:07,640 --> 01:32:08,873
A number of publications,
2590
01:32:08,941 --> 01:32:10,041
including a leading French
2591
01:32:10,109 --> 01:32:11,876
sports journal, have insinuated
2592
01:32:11,944 --> 01:32:12,977
that Armstrong is on
2593
01:32:13,045 --> 01:32:14,412
performance-enhancing drugs,
2594
01:32:14,480 --> 01:32:15,213
that a cancer
2595
01:32:15,281 --> 01:32:16,748
survivor could not possibly be
2596
01:32:16,815 --> 01:32:18,082
strong enough to lead the
2597
01:32:18,150 --> 01:32:21,386
world's toughest bicycle race.
2598
01:32:21,453 --> 01:32:22,554
There was a sample that came
2599
01:32:22,621 --> 01:32:24,722
back that had traces of
2600
01:32:24,790 --> 01:32:26,891
a particular type of cortisone,
2601
01:32:26,959 --> 01:32:30,495
which I had taken
2602
01:32:30,563 --> 01:32:33,164
intramuscularly.
2603
01:32:33,232 --> 01:32:34,465
That type of cortisone
2604
01:32:34,533 --> 01:32:35,133
was available
2605
01:32:35,201 --> 01:32:36,000
a lot of different ways.
2606
01:32:36,068 --> 01:32:38,002
You could inject it,
2607
01:32:38,070 --> 01:32:39,971
you could have eye drops,
2608
01:32:40,039 --> 01:32:41,072
you could have a nasal spray
2609
01:32:41,140 --> 01:32:45,009
or you could have a cream.
2610
01:32:45,077 --> 01:32:46,077
He's using the cream for saddle
2611
01:32:46,145 --> 01:32:47,512
sores.
2612
01:32:47,580 --> 01:32:50,281
And so Hein just...
2613
01:32:50,349 --> 01:32:51,683
It's like, "That's it.
2614
01:32:51,750 --> 01:32:53,618
In one of the controls, there
2615
01:32:53,686 --> 01:32:55,620
was in fact some minute traces
2616
01:32:55,688 --> 01:32:57,689
of cortisone that was due to the
2617
01:32:57,756 --> 01:33:00,258
fact I was using a skin cream.
2618
01:33:00,326 --> 01:33:02,627
If it was another cortisone that
2619
01:33:02,695 --> 01:33:04,329
was only available through an
2620
01:33:04,396 --> 01:33:09,000
injection, I'm...
2621
01:33:09,101 --> 01:33:10,168
A year ago today, the Tour de
2622
01:33:10,236 --> 01:33:11,002
France, very honestly, was
2623
01:33:11,070 --> 01:33:12,136
almost dead.
2624
01:33:12,238 --> 01:33:13,171
Scandal surrounding the use of
2625
01:33:13,239 --> 01:33:14,706
performance-enhancing drugs
2626
01:33:14,773 --> 01:33:15,940
had just about killed this bike
2627
01:33:16,008 --> 01:33:17,108
race and ruined the reputation
2628
01:33:17,176 --> 01:33:18,209
of the sport.
2629
01:33:18,277 --> 01:33:19,310
Ironically, it took
2630
01:33:19,378 --> 01:33:20,778
an American, Lance Armstrong,
2631
01:33:20,846 --> 01:33:22,880
who had faced death himself, to
2632
01:33:22,948 --> 01:33:24,449
breathe life back into cycling
2633
01:33:24,516 --> 01:33:25,783
and almost single-handedly
2634
01:33:25,851 --> 01:33:27,318
save the Tour de France.
2635
01:33:27,386 --> 01:33:28,052
Absolutely right.
2636
01:33:28,120 --> 01:33:29,387
If you believe in miracles,
2637
01:33:29,455 --> 01:33:31,055
if you believe in fairy tales,
2638
01:33:31,123 --> 01:33:32,190
if you believe in life,
2639
01:33:32,258 --> 01:33:32,790
then you believe
2640
01:33:32,858 --> 01:33:35,460
in Lance Armstrong.
2641
01:33:35,527 --> 01:33:36,894
I remember sitting with him,
2642
01:33:36,962 --> 01:33:37,795
and Friday
2643
01:33:37,863 --> 01:33:39,631
was the final time trial.
2644
01:33:39,698 --> 01:33:41,299
Saturday was an easy stage
2645
01:33:41,367 --> 01:33:41,899
and then Sunday's
2646
01:33:41,967 --> 01:33:43,301
the ride into Paris.
2647
01:33:43,369 --> 01:33:44,235
And I remember sitting with him
2648
01:33:44,303 --> 01:33:46,337
going, "Hey, man, I wouldn't try
2649
01:33:46,405 --> 01:33:47,338
too hard on this time trial.
2650
01:33:47,406 --> 01:33:48,906
Like, it doesn't matter.
2651
01:33:48,974 --> 01:33:49,707
You've won the thing."
2652
01:33:49,775 --> 01:33:50,908
And he looked at me like,
2653
01:33:50,976 --> 01:33:52,210
"You are...crazy.
2654
01:33:52,278 --> 01:33:53,678
You do not understand anything.
2655
01:33:53,746 --> 01:33:55,980
I am the yellow jersey,
2656
01:33:56,048 --> 01:33:57,649
and I will win this time trial."
2657
01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:03,655
What if he falls over and, like,
2658
01:34:03,722 --> 01:34:04,355
something bad happens?
2659
01:34:04,423 --> 01:34:05,156
Like, we're going to do
2660
01:34:05,224 --> 01:34:06,658
"Letterman" next week.
2661
01:34:06,759 --> 01:34:08,726
As he comes up to the line,
2662
01:34:08,794 --> 01:34:10,995
it's 16 seconds -- 15, 14.
2663
01:34:11,063 --> 01:34:12,196
It is getting desperately
2664
01:34:12,264 --> 01:34:12,997
close here.
2665
01:34:13,065 --> 01:34:14,766
Zulle versus Armstrong,
2666
01:34:14,833 --> 01:34:16,267
and Zulle loses.
2667
01:34:16,335 --> 01:34:17,535
Armstrong is the winner
2668
01:34:17,603 --> 01:34:21,272
of the time trial -- 01:08:17.
2669
01:34:21,373 --> 01:34:22,507
Armstrong takes an almost
2670
01:34:22,574 --> 01:34:25,677
unassailable lead of 7:37 into
2671
01:34:25,744 --> 01:34:27,378
tomorrow's final stage, which
2672
01:34:27,446 --> 01:34:28,713
finishes on the Champs-Elys�es
2673
01:34:28,781 --> 01:34:30,248
in Paris.
2674
01:34:30,316 --> 01:34:31,282
The specialist climbers
2675
01:34:31,350 --> 01:34:32,550
and sprinters have tried
2676
01:34:32,618 --> 01:34:34,419
to upstage him along the way,
2677
01:34:34,486 --> 01:34:35,787
but Armstrong proved too good
2678
01:34:35,854 --> 01:34:37,088
for all of them.
2679
01:34:37,156 --> 01:34:38,289
Thousands flocking to see
2680
01:34:38,357 --> 01:34:39,857
the yellow jersey's procession
2681
01:34:39,925 --> 01:34:41,292
towards the finish line.
2682
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,460
The overall winner
2683
01:34:42,528 --> 01:34:43,761
of the Tour de France
2684
01:34:43,829 --> 01:34:46,464
is the American Lance Armstrong.
2685
01:34:46,532 --> 01:34:48,766
And he has been without doubt
2686
01:34:48,834 --> 01:34:50,601
the finest rider in this race.
2687
01:34:50,669 --> 01:34:51,903
Armstrong says he's living
2688
01:34:51,970 --> 01:34:53,638
proof that if life gives you
2689
01:34:53,706 --> 01:34:55,940
a second chance, you take it
2690
01:34:56,008 --> 01:34:57,108
and make it better
2691
01:34:57,176 --> 01:34:59,277
than the first.
2692
01:34:59,345 --> 01:35:00,778
I didn't understand
2693
01:35:00,846 --> 01:35:02,447
that this story
2694
01:35:02,514 --> 01:35:04,148
was going into the hearts
2695
01:35:04,216 --> 01:35:06,451
and minds of Americans
2696
01:35:06,518 --> 01:35:08,986
and embedding itself
2697
01:35:09,054 --> 01:35:13,825
in American sports history.
2698
01:35:13,892 --> 01:35:15,159
Congratulations, friend,
2699
01:35:15,227 --> 01:35:16,794
on behalf of all of us
2700
01:35:16,862 --> 01:35:17,962
in Texas and America.
2701
01:35:18,030 --> 01:35:19,797
We're so proud of you.
2702
01:35:19,865 --> 01:35:21,165
How are you feeling?
2703
01:35:21,233 --> 01:35:22,433
Oh, I'm wasted.
2704
01:35:22,501 --> 01:35:24,469
I bet you are wasted.
2705
01:35:24,536 --> 01:35:26,003
Tonight, Austin will make
2706
01:35:26,071 --> 01:35:27,305
sure he feels welcome.
2707
01:35:27,373 --> 01:35:28,439
Thousands of people came
2708
01:35:28,507 --> 01:35:29,974
on bicycles and pedaled down
2709
01:35:30,042 --> 01:35:31,275
Congress Avenue in Austin,
2710
01:35:31,343 --> 01:35:32,677
Texas, to pay tribute to the
2711
01:35:32,745 --> 01:35:34,479
most famous bicyclist in the
2712
01:35:34,546 --> 01:35:35,113
world.
2713
01:35:35,180 --> 01:35:38,916
[ Crowd cheering ]
2714
01:35:38,984 --> 01:35:40,151
An outpouring made
2715
01:35:40,219 --> 01:35:41,786
all the more special, he said,
2716
01:35:41,854 --> 01:35:42,987
because three years ago
2717
01:35:43,055 --> 01:35:44,188
when tumors had spread
2718
01:35:44,256 --> 01:35:45,690
to his lungs and brain
2719
01:35:45,758 --> 01:35:46,691
Austin residents
2720
01:35:46,759 --> 01:35:48,826
never gave up on him.
2721
01:35:48,894 --> 01:35:49,594
If you're looking
2722
01:35:49,661 --> 01:35:50,795
for a personal hero,
2723
01:35:50,863 --> 01:35:51,829
if you're looking for somebody
2724
01:35:51,897 --> 01:35:53,131
by whom to be inspired, you
2725
01:35:53,198 --> 01:35:54,332
could certainly do a lot worse
2726
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:55,166
than this next guy.
2727
01:35:55,234 --> 01:35:56,467
Please welcome a champion
2728
01:35:56,535 --> 01:35:58,503
and a hero, Lance Armstrong.
2729
01:35:58,570 --> 01:36:00,505
When he won after coming back
2730
01:36:00,572 --> 01:36:03,875
from cancer, that put him
2731
01:36:03,942 --> 01:36:06,677
on a whole different level.
2732
01:36:06,745 --> 01:36:08,479
It transcended the sport.
2733
01:36:08,547 --> 01:36:09,947
It was about something entirely
2734
01:36:10,015 --> 01:36:12,850
different from that day on.
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