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$600 for a freaking T-shirt?
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Did you say $600?
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Wow.
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This is SoHo, Chloe.
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Still.
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Ladies, let me know if there's
anything I can help you with.
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Thank you.
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We should probably head back
to Brooklyn soon.
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Oh, my God, a scarf is $400?
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Should I get it?
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What? No. Your mom will kill you.
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Hey.
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I didn't say anything about buying it.
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Oh, come on.
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Warmth is a fundamental human right.
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And I need a scarf.
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Relax. You're gonna attract attention.
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Hey.
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You should get those earrings.
They're your favorite color.
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I don't think so.
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Do you know how cute
you'd look with them?
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Sorry, ladies.
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I'm gonna need to see
inside those purses.
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Good afternoon. My name is Elena Smith.
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I got a phone call
that my 15-year-old daughter
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was arrested for shoplifting?
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Wait, there must be some mistake.
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I'm supposed to meet my daughter in here.
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There's been no mistake, Ms. Smith.
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It's you we want to talk to.
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I'm Agent Franks with the
Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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This is Agent Arnold.
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Would you please take a seat?
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Shoplifting?
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Is that something the FBI
gets involved with these days?
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Uh, just for the record,
you're Chloe Smith's mom?
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Yes. Is she okay? W-What did she do?
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Chloe's real name
isn't Chloe at all, is it?
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And her last name isn't Smith.
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For that matter,
I'm guessing neither is yours.
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Your daughter, who isn't your daughter,
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her real name is Sarah Cooper, isn't it?
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We ran her prints.
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She's originally from
Clearwater, Florida,
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and we suspect maybe you are, too.
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Your real name's Angela Brown, isn't it?
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Ms. Brown,
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we've been looking for you
and that little girl
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for an awfully long time.
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- Go away.
- No.
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Nope. I need to speak with you.
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Have some mercy.
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You know I have a two-week-old at home.
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I know that.
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She's adorable, but confused.
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Doesn't know night from day.
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Ugh, come on.
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I'm working on 22 minutes' sleep here.
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I beg you.
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Sorry, Bull.
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You know, I just, uh,
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got off the phone with my financial guy,
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trying to start a college fund
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for baby Bull,
but I got to have her full name.
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They won't let me open up an account
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without a last name and a first name.
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So what's it gonna be? Asa or Ingrid?
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Remember?
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You told me you wanted
to name her Ingrid,
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and Izzy wanted to name her Asa.
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So where'd you guys end up?
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We met in the middle.
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What? Inga?
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Astrid.
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Ah.
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Astrid.
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I like it. Never heard it before,
but I like it.
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Same here.
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See what you started?
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You two boys interested in running up
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to the Metropolitan Correctional
Center late this afternoon,
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and talking to a woman accused
of kidnapping her niece
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12 years ago and bringing
her up as her daughter?
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12 years ago, my younger sister
Marie died in a car accident.
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She had just dropped her
three-year-old daughter off at day care.
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Sarah. Sarah Cooper.
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Yes.
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That was the name she was born with.
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Sarah Cooper.
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And what about her father?
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What was going on with Sarah's
father after your sister died?
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My brother-in-law had issues
with impulse control.
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Struggled with his drinking, with drugs.
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He used to beat my sister.
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He used to hurt Chloe.
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Sarah.
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And you witnessed this?
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I saw the bruises.
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But your sister confided in you?
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She didn't have to confide in me.
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S-She didn't have to say it.
She was my sister.
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Uh, these bruises,
did you ask her about them?
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I tried.
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She'd tell me she walked into a door.
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Or when her hand had what looked
to me like cigarette burns,
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she'd tell me she did it
to herself on the stove.
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Tell me about Sarah.
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After Marie died,
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I noticed she started having bruises.
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And did you ask your brother-in-law?
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The girl's father?
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He'd tell me Sarah fell down.
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"Sarah fell off her big wheel."
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There was always a story.
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So, I contacted Florida's Department
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of Children and Families.
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But by the time
they came out to investigate,
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the bruises were almost gone.
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I think I reported him five, six times.
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And then, one day,
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I went over there to visit my niece,
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and they told me she was in
the hospital with a broken arm.
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Jim said she fell down the stairs.
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But when I went to the hospital
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and asked Sarah what had
happened, she wouldn't tell me.
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She just looked sad.
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She wouldn't say anything.
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So, the next morning,
I went back to the hospital.
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And I told her we were going on a trip.
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That was 12 years ago.
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Let's talk about the trial.
It's not gonna be easy.
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There's no denying what you did.
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You took a child who wasn't yours.
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A child who still had a parent.
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And there's no jury
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that's gonna have an easy time
looking past that,
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which is why Sarah... Chloe...
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is the key to your defense.
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The key?
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How? She was only three
when all this happened.
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She doesn't remember anything.
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Of course.
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But surely she has an opinion
on you as a mother.
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How did she react when you
told her you'd been arrested?
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I told her I'd been called away
on a business trip.
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I called her friend's parents
and asked if she could stay
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with them for a day or two.
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Ms. Smith, Ms. Brown,
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you need to explain to your
niece what's really going on here.
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That is a conversation
that has to be had.
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Dr. Bull is right.
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She is the most important
witness we have.
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Now, we're happy
to bring Chloe here, tomorrow.
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Give you two a chance to talk.
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Here?
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So I can tell her
her whole life's been a fiction?
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She thinks her father is dead,
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that he's a war hero,
he lost his life in Afghanistan.
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Be that as it may,
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if that girl doesn't tell
the jury what a wonderful mother
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you've been, you will be found guilty.
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And the authorities
will almost certainly return her
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to the man you're convinced hurt her.
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Tell me you'll call her tonight.
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Tell me you'll explain
you need to see her.
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Okay.
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I'll call her.
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I'll tell her about the two of you.
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That you'll be bringing her to me.
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But I won't tell her where.
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And I won't tell her why.
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I-I just can't.
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Here she comes.
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You all right?
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It's a lot.
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It is.
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I hate to be the naysayer...
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- No, you don't.
- I-I don't know
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how we're supposed to prove abuse
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that supposedly happened
over 12 years ago
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in a place that's over
a thousand miles away.
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I don't know. I mean,
the kid did break her arm.
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Yeah, but it was a spiral fracture,
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which is actually pretty common.
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It can happen when you yank
a toddler's arm
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or when you're just horsing around,
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which is what the dad told the doctors.
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Speaking of the father...
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Tell us what you know.
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His name is Jim Cooper.
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Went through kind of a dark
period after his wife passed
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and his daughter disappeared.
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Couldn't hold down a job,
got himself into a lot of debt.
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Lost his house. Some minor
arrests for drunkenness.
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Then about eight years ago,
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he started to pull
his life back together.
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Bought a water-softening franchise,
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remarried four years ago, has
a two-and-a-half-year-old son,
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has six employees.
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I've dated guys whose bios
read worse than this.
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Here's the thing. Bull keeps
saying the literature
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is pretty clear about the fact
that abuse tends to be cyclical.
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I mean, even though
this Jim Cooper remarried...
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You think he's abusing
his new wife and kid?
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Well, I certainly hope not,
but he probably had
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other relationships
before he met his current wife.
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And if we can establish
a pattern of abuse,
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it would certainly bolster
Elena's credibility.
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Looks like I'm on a plane
to sunny Florida.
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Do you know what
the problem with this case is?
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Our client did exactly what
she's being charged with.
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I'm starting to think our only
choice might be to embrace that.
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Why would we do that?
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To gain credibility
with the judge and the jury.
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Make a play for a lenient sentence.
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Our play is to get her acquitted.
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If we have to ask for a lenient sentence,
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it means we've lost, and our
client didn't hire us to lose.
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Yeah, but, Bull, there is
no defense for this crime.
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It's not like we can claim
that it was an accident
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or self-defense or even insanity.
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I mean, she's guilty.
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She did it.
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She kidnapped her niece.
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Well, that's where
jury nullification comes in.
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We've got to convince this jury
that the kidnapping law
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shouldn't apply to Elena's situation.
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She wasn't kidnapping her niece;
she was rescuing her.
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Let the prosecution call it a kidnapping.
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We're gonna call it a rescue.
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I need to warn you... the first witness
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to take the stand today
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is going to be your
former brother-in-law.
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Whatever you may think about him,
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we need you to understand
the jury will almost certainly
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empathize with him.
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All they're gonna see
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is a young widower
who lost his only child.
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Wow. The bastard sobered up long enough
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to fly three hours up the coast
so he could lie under oath?
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According to the prosecutor,
he's been sober for years.
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He's also remarried,
owns his own business,
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has a two-year-old son,
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and very much wants his daughter back.
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Angela,
the reason we're telling you this...
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We need you to be careful
not to react when he testifies.
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The jury is watching you,
they're studying you.
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If they see anger, if they see contempt,
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they're gonna presume
that you took this man's child
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out of spite.
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So...
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you got to the hospital,
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walked into your daughter's room,
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and she just wasn't there?
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Exactly. And no one...
no one knew where she was.
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So, of course, I went to the police.
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And how long before you figured out
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that it was probably your sister-in-law
260
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who had taken her?
261
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Maybe a day. There was hospital video.
262
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Uh...
263
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but the thing is, no one realized
264
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that she had taken her for good,
265
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that she'd left the state.
266
00:12:40,729 --> 00:12:43,077
I kept thinking that she
had taken her to the movies
267
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or to some theme park to...
268
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take her mind off of her mother.
269
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Mr. Cooper.
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Did you ever hit your first wife?
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Never.
272
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Did you ever strike your daughter Sarah?
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Never.
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Mr. Cooper,
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if the defendant is found guilty,
276
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are you prepared
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to welcome your daughter
back into your home?
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Prepared? I have
been waiting 12 years for this.
279
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I would do anything
to have my child back. Yes.
280
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No further questions, Your Honor.
281
00:13:20,491 --> 00:13:21,985
Mr. Colón.
282
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Yes, Your Honor.
283
00:13:23,247 --> 00:13:25,075
Thank you, Your Honor.
284
00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:30,084
Mr. Cooper...
285
00:13:31,038 --> 00:13:34,171
we really appreciate
you coming all this way to...
286
00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:36,391
share your recollections.
287
00:13:36,434 --> 00:13:38,915
Recollections? I-I-I'm talking about...
288
00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:40,308
my family.
289
00:13:40,351 --> 00:13:42,943
I'm talking about my blood, my-my child.
290
00:13:42,986 --> 00:13:45,617
Yes, yes, of course, of course, but...
291
00:13:45,661 --> 00:13:48,403
12 years is a long time.
292
00:13:48,936 --> 00:13:50,579
A lot has changed.
293
00:13:50,622 --> 00:13:52,059
Right?
294
00:13:52,102 --> 00:13:54,714
You're remarried, you have
a two-year-old at home...
295
00:13:54,758 --> 00:13:58,205
I never stopped looking.
I... I never gave up.
296
00:13:58,248 --> 00:13:59,936
If you say so, sir.
297
00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:01,365
Now...
298
00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,620
you were unemployed at the time
your daughter disappeared,
299
00:14:05,855 --> 00:14:07,762
- weren't you?
- Yes, I-I had a tough time
300
00:14:07,787 --> 00:14:09,337
after my wife died.
301
00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:11,426
Completely understandable.
302
00:14:11,469 --> 00:14:13,776
Although, our records indicate
303
00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:15,778
that you were having a tough time
304
00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:18,128
even before your wife passed away,
305
00:14:18,172 --> 00:14:20,087
pretty much beginning with the birth
306
00:14:20,130 --> 00:14:21,597
of your first child, Sarah.
307
00:14:21,641 --> 00:14:23,307
Objection, Your Honor.
308
00:14:23,332 --> 00:14:26,291
Is counsel asking a question
or testifying?
309
00:14:26,849 --> 00:14:29,139
Ask a question, Mr. Colón.
310
00:14:29,183 --> 00:14:32,186
Absolutely, Your Honor.
My apologies, Your Honor.
311
00:14:32,229 --> 00:14:33,883
Uh...
312
00:14:33,927 --> 00:14:38,061
approximately how many jobs
would you say you held
313
00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,364
during the three-year period
314
00:14:40,426 --> 00:14:42,849
starting from the birth
of your first child
315
00:14:42,892 --> 00:14:44,851
to the date that she disappeared?
316
00:14:44,894 --> 00:14:47,375
I don't know, I was still a young man,
317
00:14:47,418 --> 00:14:49,560
still trying to... find myself.
318
00:14:49,603 --> 00:14:50,640
Yeah, I get it.
319
00:14:50,665 --> 00:14:52,535
I'm just looking for a number, sir.
320
00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,338
Three, maybe.
321
00:14:54,382 --> 00:14:55,470
Three.
322
00:14:55,513 --> 00:14:57,080
Three jobs in three years.
323
00:14:57,124 --> 00:14:58,675
That's what you're testifying to?
324
00:14:58,719 --> 00:15:00,726
- Could be four.
- Objection, Your Honor.
325
00:15:00,751 --> 00:15:01,756
Relevance?
326
00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:03,130
Your Honor, the defense
327
00:15:03,173 --> 00:15:05,785
is just trying to illustrate to the jury
328
00:15:05,828 --> 00:15:09,803
that my client has never denied
that she did what she did;
329
00:15:09,846 --> 00:15:12,683
the issue in this trial
is why she did it.
330
00:15:12,726 --> 00:15:14,358
And that's all we are attempting
331
00:15:14,402 --> 00:15:16,491
to illuminate, Your Honor.
332
00:15:16,983 --> 00:15:19,059
Objection overruled.
333
00:15:19,690 --> 00:15:20,822
You may proceed.
334
00:15:21,278 --> 00:15:23,890
Yeah. Now, I'll ask just one more time.
335
00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:27,241
How many jobs did you hold
during the three-year period
336
00:15:27,284 --> 00:15:29,537
after your daughter's birth?
337
00:15:30,621 --> 00:15:31,985
Five.
338
00:15:32,028 --> 00:15:34,291
Five. Really?
339
00:15:34,335 --> 00:15:35,989
Huh.
340
00:15:36,032 --> 00:15:37,947
Our records show 11, sir.
341
00:15:41,037 --> 00:15:42,675
Do you care to venture
342
00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:45,747
as to how many alcohol-related
arrests during that period?
343
00:15:46,596 --> 00:15:49,611
- I imagine you have that number as well.
- Oh, I do,
344
00:15:49,654 --> 00:15:53,394
I do, and it's almost as high
as the number of jobs lost.
345
00:15:54,582 --> 00:15:57,314
Again, beginning with the birth
of your first child,
346
00:15:57,358 --> 00:15:59,751
you were also on periods
of federal assistance,
347
00:15:59,795 --> 00:16:01,033
were you not?
348
00:16:01,058 --> 00:16:02,320
Yes.
349
00:16:02,737 --> 00:16:04,887
I was on assistance,
but I'm not any longer.
350
00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:05,954
I haven't been for years.
351
00:16:05,997 --> 00:16:08,238
In fact, you remained on assistance
352
00:16:08,282 --> 00:16:11,178
for almost 18 months after your
daughter's disappearance, right?
353
00:16:11,203 --> 00:16:12,621
- Yeah. So?
- And isn't it also true
354
00:16:12,646 --> 00:16:14,288
that you never mentioned
355
00:16:14,331 --> 00:16:17,291
to your caseworker that
your daughter was gone,
356
00:16:17,334 --> 00:16:19,162
so that you can continue to receive
357
00:16:19,206 --> 00:16:21,251
that extra assistance the government pays
358
00:16:21,295 --> 00:16:23,384
to families with minor children?
359
00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:28,432
How's the view?
360
00:16:28,476 --> 00:16:30,563
Nobody is switching sides yet,
361
00:16:30,607 --> 00:16:32,915
but I can see we definitely have
362
00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:34,874
- their attention.
- I'm sorry,
363
00:16:34,917 --> 00:16:36,310
I-I didn't hear what you said.
364
00:16:36,353 --> 00:16:37,920
Like I said, it was a difficult time.
365
00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:39,182
Ah.
366
00:16:40,531 --> 00:16:42,193
I made some mistakes.
367
00:16:43,236 --> 00:16:46,233
I didn't attend to certain
things that needed attending to.
368
00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:47,451
I won't deny that.
369
00:16:47,823 --> 00:16:49,105
But I was a little busy
370
00:16:49,149 --> 00:16:51,744
putting up posters on telephone polls...
371
00:16:52,828 --> 00:16:55,111
spending my days looking for my child.
372
00:16:55,373 --> 00:16:56,958
Be that as it may,
373
00:16:56,983 --> 00:17:00,316
you accepted federal funds
under false pretense,
374
00:17:00,377 --> 00:17:01,770
- didn't you?
- Objection.
375
00:17:01,813 --> 00:17:03,196
Asked and answered.
376
00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,622
Objection sustained.
377
00:17:04,665 --> 00:17:07,254
Ask another question.
378
00:17:07,297 --> 00:17:10,039
Actually, I have no further
questions, Your Honor.
379
00:17:25,853 --> 00:17:29,281
I'm worried. I haven't heard
from Chloe since yesterday.
380
00:17:30,157 --> 00:17:31,730
That's funny, she missed her appointment
381
00:17:31,773 --> 00:17:34,602
with Chunk this morning
to go over her testimony.
382
00:17:34,646 --> 00:17:37,206
All rise for the Honorable Judge Hopkins.
383
00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:42,920
Ms. Lawson,
384
00:17:42,945 --> 00:17:45,948
thank you for making the
trip up from Florida.
385
00:17:45,973 --> 00:17:48,192
Now, in 2008,
386
00:17:48,405 --> 00:17:50,450
you were the Florida
Child Services investigator
387
00:17:50,475 --> 00:17:52,694
assigned to Sarah Cooper's case.
388
00:17:52,719 --> 00:17:54,416
- Isn't that correct?
- Yes.
389
00:17:54,618 --> 00:17:57,219
And apparently, you
were called to the home
390
00:17:57,244 --> 00:17:58,661
a number of times.
391
00:17:58,686 --> 00:18:00,165
I was.
392
00:18:00,499 --> 00:18:01,804
Her aunt...
393
00:18:02,282 --> 00:18:03,805
the defendant...
394
00:18:03,849 --> 00:18:05,782
seemed convinced that there was
395
00:18:05,807 --> 00:18:08,009
some sort of abuse
going on in the household.
396
00:18:08,034 --> 00:18:09,494
So you investigated?
397
00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:10,520
I did.
398
00:18:10,545 --> 00:18:12,155
And what did you discover?
399
00:18:12,771 --> 00:18:15,786
I found some minor issues with hygiene.
400
00:18:15,829 --> 00:18:17,526
- How do you mean?
- The kitchen sink
401
00:18:17,551 --> 00:18:19,074
had dirty dishes in it.
402
00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:21,667
Sarah's clothes
hadn't been washed in a while.
403
00:18:22,061 --> 00:18:23,802
Pretty standard stuff.
404
00:18:23,872 --> 00:18:26,355
And frankly,
to be expected in a household
405
00:18:26,437 --> 00:18:29,178
- where the mother had just passed.
- And wasn't there also
406
00:18:29,222 --> 00:18:33,012
some concern about a bruise
or bruises on her arms and legs?
407
00:18:33,037 --> 00:18:36,214
Again, concerns from the defendant.
408
00:18:36,239 --> 00:18:37,675
But when I saw the child,
409
00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,269
it was hard to determine
exactly what we were looking at.
410
00:18:40,595 --> 00:18:43,642
Now, the law requires us
to open an investigation
411
00:18:43,667 --> 00:18:46,670
24 hours after someone files a concern,
412
00:18:47,025 --> 00:18:48,679
and we did that.
413
00:18:48,704 --> 00:18:51,655
But it did take us a couple
of days to get out there.
414
00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:54,595
And do you think that might have
accounted for your inability
415
00:18:54,620 --> 00:18:58,580
to recognize these bruises
or marks as evidence of abuse?
416
00:18:58,605 --> 00:19:00,346
Honestly, no.
417
00:19:00,371 --> 00:19:02,460
Generally speaking,
in child welfare cases,
418
00:19:02,485 --> 00:19:05,140
you're almost always talking
about injuries
419
00:19:05,165 --> 00:19:07,907
that are profound enough
to still be in evidence
420
00:19:08,076 --> 00:19:10,383
72, even 96 hours later.
421
00:19:10,408 --> 00:19:12,681
So you saw nothing that gave you cause
422
00:19:12,706 --> 00:19:14,306
to consider removing the child
423
00:19:14,331 --> 00:19:15,854
- from the home?
- Oh, gosh, no.
424
00:19:15,879 --> 00:19:17,576
That is always a last resort.
425
00:19:18,172 --> 00:19:21,269
My feeling was that
it would be best to continue
426
00:19:21,294 --> 00:19:24,538
to monitor the case, check back
with the family bimonthly,
427
00:19:24,563 --> 00:19:25,773
so that's what we did.
428
00:19:25,913 --> 00:19:27,915
And when the child
was brought to the hospital
429
00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:29,115
with a broken arm?
430
00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:31,012
We got there as quickly as we could.
431
00:19:31,498 --> 00:19:34,066
But unfortunately, when we arrived,
432
00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:37,899
the hospital had just discovered
that she was missing.
433
00:19:41,727 --> 00:19:43,685
No further questions, Your Honor.
434
00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:47,255
I'm sure I don't need
435
00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,760
to tell you we didn't win any friends
436
00:19:48,785 --> 00:19:50,744
- with that testimony.
- Hey.
437
00:19:50,769 --> 00:19:53,729
The inning's not over until
both sides have been up to bat.
438
00:19:53,754 --> 00:19:55,495
Ms. Lawson,
439
00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:57,513
you have a...
440
00:19:58,370 --> 00:20:00,589
really difficult job, don't you?
441
00:20:01,046 --> 00:20:02,393
It's not the easiest.
442
00:20:02,547 --> 00:20:04,853
In fact, even over a decade ago,
443
00:20:04,878 --> 00:20:07,533
while you were in the midst
of the Sarah Cooper case,
444
00:20:07,904 --> 00:20:11,603
you were carrying double
the recommended number of cases,
445
00:20:11,628 --> 00:20:12,629
isn't that right?
446
00:20:12,654 --> 00:20:14,133
Goes with the territory.
447
00:20:14,539 --> 00:20:15,931
At least in Florida.
448
00:20:15,956 --> 00:20:17,392
Now, Ms. Lawson,
449
00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:20,202
after Mrs. Cooper passed away
450
00:20:20,227 --> 00:20:23,230
and during the time Sarah
was living with her father,
451
00:20:23,771 --> 00:20:25,773
were you aware of any children
452
00:20:25,817 --> 00:20:30,337
in the state of Florida
that died as a result of abuse
453
00:20:30,362 --> 00:20:32,843
while being actively monitored
by your agency?
454
00:20:34,049 --> 00:20:36,574
Sadly, I'm sure some did.
455
00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:38,471
I couldn't give you a number.
456
00:20:38,597 --> 00:20:40,338
We are talking about 12 years ago.
457
00:20:40,748 --> 00:20:42,141
Indeed.
458
00:20:42,398 --> 00:20:45,750
Would it surprise you
to learn that 12 years ago,
459
00:20:45,793 --> 00:20:48,481
that number was actually 79?
460
00:20:51,132 --> 00:20:54,570
79 children died
461
00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:58,415
as a result of abuse
while being actively monitored
462
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,218
by Florida Child Service investigators.
463
00:21:01,243 --> 00:21:02,578
Now,
464
00:21:02,866 --> 00:21:05,246
how long do you think the
defendant should have waited?
465
00:21:05,271 --> 00:21:07,249
Objection. Calls for speculation.
466
00:21:07,274 --> 00:21:10,252
How long should the defendant have waited
467
00:21:10,601 --> 00:21:13,908
before her sister's child was number 80?
468
00:21:17,191 --> 00:21:18,715
Mr. Colón.
469
00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:20,307
You are out of order.
470
00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:22,656
Now the jury will
ignore that last question.
471
00:21:22,915 --> 00:21:24,569
I apologize, Your Honor.
472
00:21:24,594 --> 00:21:28,064
Actually,
I have no further questions at this time.
473
00:21:28,089 --> 00:21:29,264
Does the prosecution have
474
00:21:29,289 --> 00:21:31,248
any further questions for this witness?
475
00:21:31,492 --> 00:21:33,364
Not at this time, Your Honor.
476
00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:35,194
Then the witness is excused.
477
00:21:37,235 --> 00:21:39,629
Please call your next witness.
478
00:21:41,462 --> 00:21:45,145
The prosecution would like to
call Sarah Cooper to the stand.
479
00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:06,525
What was it like to find out
480
00:22:06,569 --> 00:22:08,552
your name wasn't your name,
481
00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:10,709
your mother wasn't your mother?
482
00:22:11,188 --> 00:22:12,755
It's hard to describe.
483
00:22:13,649 --> 00:22:16,216
Were you surprised
to learn that your biological father
484
00:22:16,259 --> 00:22:18,268
was alive, after being told
485
00:22:18,311 --> 00:22:21,764
for so many years that he
had died in Afghanistan?
486
00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:23,763
Of course.
487
00:22:23,807 --> 00:22:24,982
And what were you thinking,
488
00:22:25,025 --> 00:22:28,080
when you sat here in this courtroom
489
00:22:28,187 --> 00:22:30,755
two days ago and watched him,
490
00:22:30,912 --> 00:22:32,217
very much alive,
491
00:22:32,242 --> 00:22:35,337
testify about how much
he loved you and missed you?
492
00:22:36,602 --> 00:22:38,549
Just that I wanted to talk to him.
493
00:22:40,182 --> 00:22:41,792
Get to know him a little bit.
494
00:22:42,856 --> 00:22:44,423
Now,
495
00:22:44,654 --> 00:22:46,724
let's talk about your aunt.
496
00:22:47,826 --> 00:22:50,829
After years of telling you
that she was your mother,
497
00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:53,147
that your father had died overseas,
498
00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:55,218
what did she tell you about your father
499
00:22:55,243 --> 00:22:58,421
once she admitted that
he was, in fact, alive?
500
00:22:58,836 --> 00:23:00,142
What did she offer as an excuse
501
00:23:00,167 --> 00:23:03,214
for taking you from him?
502
00:23:03,629 --> 00:23:05,284
For keeping you from him?
503
00:23:06,034 --> 00:23:08,688
She said that he hurt my real mother.
504
00:23:11,569 --> 00:23:13,527
She said that he hurt me.
505
00:23:14,118 --> 00:23:15,419
He broke my arm.
506
00:23:15,579 --> 00:23:16,797
Did you believe her?
507
00:23:16,822 --> 00:23:19,172
Objection. Calls for speculation.
508
00:23:19,197 --> 00:23:21,373
The attorney is badgering the witness.
509
00:23:21,398 --> 00:23:23,344
And I question the relevance
510
00:23:23,369 --> 00:23:24,806
of this whole line of questioning.
511
00:23:24,831 --> 00:23:26,703
I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor.
512
00:23:26,728 --> 00:23:28,730
But if I may just ask one more thing.
513
00:23:30,138 --> 00:23:31,443
Sarah,
514
00:23:31,468 --> 00:23:33,426
are you open to the possibility
515
00:23:33,451 --> 00:23:35,322
of a relationship with your father
516
00:23:35,618 --> 00:23:37,315
now that you know that he is alive?
517
00:23:38,577 --> 00:23:39,902
I guess so.
518
00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:43,539
He seems nice.
519
00:23:43,582 --> 00:23:44,948
And I'd...
520
00:23:44,973 --> 00:23:47,541
kinda like to know
what it's like to have a father.
521
00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:52,331
No further questions, Your Honor.
522
00:23:55,834 --> 00:23:57,683
Chloe...
523
00:23:58,462 --> 00:24:00,378
Is it okay if I call you Chloe?
524
00:24:00,923 --> 00:24:03,163
Would you rather I address you as Sarah?
525
00:24:03,546 --> 00:24:04,855
Chloe's okay.
526
00:24:05,094 --> 00:24:06,605
I'm kinda used to Chloe.
527
00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:08,041
Chloe it is.
528
00:24:08,972 --> 00:24:12,076
Now, why do you think
529
00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,961
your mother made you believe
your father was a war hero?
530
00:24:15,005 --> 00:24:16,196
I don't know.
531
00:24:16,239 --> 00:24:19,471
I guess so I'd respect him,
feel good about him.
532
00:24:19,515 --> 00:24:21,025
And did she ever...
533
00:24:21,069 --> 00:24:23,113
say anything negative about him
534
00:24:23,605 --> 00:24:26,159
prior to the police
charging her with kidnapping?
535
00:24:26,203 --> 00:24:28,161
No. Never.
536
00:24:28,534 --> 00:24:29,989
Actually, she always talked about him
537
00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,035
like he was pretty amazing.
538
00:24:32,078 --> 00:24:35,399
And would you say
you've been well-cared-for
539
00:24:35,442 --> 00:24:37,475
these past 12 years?
540
00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:40,130
Well-clothed? Well-fed?
541
00:24:40,462 --> 00:24:41,958
Did you feel loved?
542
00:24:42,001 --> 00:24:43,596
I did. Yes.
543
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,876
And didn't your mother
put you in private school?
544
00:24:47,261 --> 00:24:49,966
Encourage you to learn the violin?
545
00:24:50,009 --> 00:24:52,055
Teach you Spanish and French?
546
00:24:52,098 --> 00:24:53,491
You mean my aunt?
547
00:24:54,435 --> 00:24:57,147
Yes, she's been a wonderful parent to me.
548
00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:59,671
And you're old enough
to understand that...
549
00:25:00,718 --> 00:25:04,288
Private school, tutors, music lessons...
550
00:25:04,331 --> 00:25:06,069
all of that costs money.
551
00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:08,506
And who was it that was paying for it?
552
00:25:08,866 --> 00:25:10,073
My aunt.
553
00:25:10,116 --> 00:25:11,639
And, lastly,
554
00:25:11,683 --> 00:25:15,905
have you ever known your aunt
to be violent or aggressive?
555
00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:16,906
No.
556
00:25:17,291 --> 00:25:18,429
Did she ever hit you?
557
00:25:18,472 --> 00:25:19,778
No.
558
00:25:19,822 --> 00:25:21,381
- She ever curse at you?
- No.
559
00:25:21,424 --> 00:25:23,086
Raise her voice?
560
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:26,350
Once or twice.
But I probably deserved it.
561
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,788
Do you think she loves you?
562
00:25:30,387 --> 00:25:31,877
Uh, yes.
563
00:25:31,921 --> 00:25:34,140
I know she does.
564
00:25:34,641 --> 00:25:36,099
Thank you.
565
00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:38,227
No further questions, Your Honor.
566
00:25:41,844 --> 00:25:43,280
Give me a burp.
567
00:25:43,323 --> 00:25:45,282
I can't put you down till I get a burp.
568
00:25:48,322 --> 00:25:49,615
Hey.
569
00:25:50,616 --> 00:25:52,376
That was the wrong end.
570
00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:55,118
Come on.
571
00:25:55,161 --> 00:25:57,598
I need a burp. Here we go.
572
00:25:57,915 --> 00:25:59,625
That's a girl.
573
00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:02,516
Give me a burp.
574
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,562
I...
575
00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:11,221
Hello, Marissa.
576
00:26:11,264 --> 00:26:13,266
Am I catching you at a bad time?
577
00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:16,095
No, I'm just trying to wrap up
the 10:00 p.m. feeding here
578
00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:17,618
in Astrid-land.
579
00:26:17,662 --> 00:26:19,011
Intake went well.
580
00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:21,100
We're just working
on some outbound action.
581
00:26:21,144 --> 00:26:22,169
What's up?
582
00:26:22,213 --> 00:26:24,016
Danny just called from Florida.
583
00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,018
She's found two people
that seem to corroborate
584
00:26:26,062 --> 00:26:27,715
Elena's story about Jim.
585
00:26:28,153 --> 00:26:29,500
One is a teacher
586
00:26:29,543 --> 00:26:31,676
at a preschool that
Jim's two-year-old attended.
587
00:26:31,719 --> 00:26:35,071
That is until she asked
questions about bruises
588
00:26:35,114 --> 00:26:38,117
the little boy started
showing up to school with.
589
00:26:38,161 --> 00:26:39,521
And she also found
590
00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:41,729
a dermatologist his new wife was seeing.
591
00:26:41,773 --> 00:26:43,906
Apparently, she has something
to say as well.
592
00:26:43,949 --> 00:26:47,170
Both are willing to fly up to testify.
593
00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:48,780
Well, why don't you e-mail me
594
00:26:48,824 --> 00:26:50,173
all the pertinent details,
595
00:26:50,216 --> 00:26:51,783
and Benny and I will add 'em
to the witness list
596
00:26:51,827 --> 00:26:53,176
tomorrow morning.
597
00:26:53,219 --> 00:26:55,638
Did Danny find the wife yet?
598
00:26:55,681 --> 00:26:57,354
She thinks she might be away on business,
599
00:26:57,397 --> 00:26:59,008
- but she's still looking.
- Okay.
600
00:26:59,643 --> 00:27:01,706
Ooh, I felt that.
601
00:27:01,749 --> 00:27:03,230
I got to go.
602
00:27:03,969 --> 00:27:05,928
Your Honor, these new witnesses
603
00:27:05,971 --> 00:27:07,103
aren't witnesses.
604
00:27:07,146 --> 00:27:08,315
Excuse me,
605
00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:10,106
but the prosecution has rested.
606
00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:12,369
It is now time for the defense
607
00:27:12,412 --> 00:27:14,458
to present ourdefense,
608
00:27:14,501 --> 00:27:16,677
which is what we're trying
to do right now, Your Honor.
609
00:27:16,721 --> 00:27:19,363
Your Honor, not only have
we had no time to prepare...
610
00:27:19,407 --> 00:27:21,074
Oh, take all the time you need.
611
00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:22,813
Your Honor...
612
00:27:23,336 --> 00:27:25,034
The charges before the court
613
00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:27,166
- are extremely serious...
- Which is why
614
00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:30,343
these witnesses are so
important, Your Honor.
615
00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:34,260
They directly contradict
Jim Cooper's testimony.
616
00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:35,566
He said under oath
617
00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:38,177
that he has never
physically abused anyone.
618
00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:40,049
Well, we have records
619
00:27:40,092 --> 00:27:42,334
from Jim Cooper's two-year-old son's
620
00:27:42,377 --> 00:27:44,401
former preschool teacher,
621
00:27:44,444 --> 00:27:46,751
who noticed fresh bruises on the boy.
622
00:27:46,794 --> 00:27:49,319
And when she confronted him
about the bruises,
623
00:27:49,362 --> 00:27:52,235
the teacher said
that he abruptly pulled the kid
624
00:27:52,278 --> 00:27:53,279
from the school.
625
00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:54,280
In other words,
626
00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:55,877
she witnessed nothing.
627
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,327
And, secondly,
628
00:27:57,370 --> 00:28:00,504
the current Mrs. Cooper's dermatologist
629
00:28:00,547 --> 00:28:03,855
treated her for a burn on her forearm,
630
00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:06,075
which she suspected was from a cigarette,
631
00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:07,594
less than four weeks ago.
632
00:28:07,637 --> 00:28:09,382
Again, this is circumstantial evidence
633
00:28:09,426 --> 00:28:11,950
and is irrelevant
to the kidnapping charges.
634
00:28:15,301 --> 00:28:18,304
AUSA Knight makes a valid point.
635
00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:21,026
The real question is
636
00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:22,656
did the witnesses actually see
637
00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,512
Mr. Cooper inflict these injuries.
638
00:28:24,556 --> 00:28:26,530
Judge Hopkins, we all know it's unlikely
639
00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:29,098
that Mr. Cooper would beat
his two-year-old son
640
00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:30,534
in front of a crowd of onlookers
641
00:28:30,577 --> 00:28:32,101
or burn his wife in public.
642
00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,628
Your Honor,
643
00:28:33,653 --> 00:28:36,308
the jury should be allowed
to hear the testimony,
644
00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:39,581
review the documents,
draw their own inferences.
645
00:28:39,624 --> 00:28:41,110
No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm-I'm sorry.
646
00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:42,328
I don't agree.
647
00:28:42,372 --> 00:28:44,011
Mr. Cooper is not
648
00:28:44,036 --> 00:28:45,399
on trial here.
649
00:28:45,462 --> 00:28:47,203
And the probative value
650
00:28:47,246 --> 00:28:51,120
of what sounds like speculation
and-and hearsay
651
00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:54,253
is outweighed by the prejudicial
effect it's certain to have.
652
00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:55,646
And none of it is relevant
653
00:28:55,689 --> 00:28:58,823
as to whether or not
your client kidnapped his child,
654
00:28:58,848 --> 00:29:02,330
which is the only issue
the jury is here to resolve.
655
00:29:02,392 --> 00:29:05,221
Now, I have to agree with prosecution.
656
00:29:05,769 --> 00:29:07,223
Unless these people
657
00:29:07,248 --> 00:29:09,903
actually witnessed Mr. Cooper
hurt someone,
658
00:29:09,928 --> 00:29:11,650
their testimony is irrelevant.
659
00:29:12,326 --> 00:29:14,546
Do you have any other witnesses
you want to present?
660
00:29:15,057 --> 00:29:16,319
With Your Honor's permission,
661
00:29:16,362 --> 00:29:18,490
we would like to ask
for a one-day continuance.
662
00:29:19,282 --> 00:29:22,035
I'd love to confer
with my client on next steps.
663
00:29:23,328 --> 00:29:24,913
It's like I told you.
664
00:29:25,632 --> 00:29:28,113
Bottom line is she did it.
665
00:29:28,157 --> 00:29:30,724
She took this man's child.
666
00:29:31,128 --> 00:29:32,509
Kind of impossible
667
00:29:32,552 --> 00:29:35,207
to mount a defense against
something that's indisputable.
668
00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:45,000
I just heard. No court today.
669
00:29:45,043 --> 00:29:47,654
They want me to change,
take me back to prison.
670
00:29:47,698 --> 00:29:49,396
Is everything all right?
671
00:29:50,788 --> 00:29:52,181
We need to talk.
672
00:29:52,566 --> 00:29:54,009
We can
673
00:29:54,052 --> 00:29:55,140
press forward.
674
00:29:55,184 --> 00:29:56,881
Mr. Colón could put you on the stand.
675
00:29:57,237 --> 00:29:59,362
You're really the only witness we have.
676
00:29:59,405 --> 00:30:01,016
Unfortunately,
677
00:30:01,450 --> 00:30:03,279
you're not the witness we need.
678
00:30:04,323 --> 00:30:05,716
What do you mean?
679
00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,022
We need someone
680
00:30:07,047 --> 00:30:08,657
who can tell the jury under oath
681
00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:12,338
that they've actually seen Mr.
Cooper be physically abusive.
682
00:30:13,003 --> 00:30:15,204
Preferably multiple times.
683
00:30:15,247 --> 00:30:16,466
It's the only thing
684
00:30:16,509 --> 00:30:19,382
that's gonna make the jury second-guess
685
00:30:19,425 --> 00:30:20,865
the A.D.A.'s assertion
686
00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:22,801
that you're nothing more
than a kidnapper.
687
00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:25,083
With your permission, what I'd like to do
688
00:30:25,108 --> 00:30:28,154
is go to the A.D.A.
and see if we can't broker
689
00:30:28,179 --> 00:30:29,397
some kind of a deal.
690
00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:31,307
She's not a stupid person.
691
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,744
She knows that this hearsay
692
00:30:33,787 --> 00:30:35,888
and circumstantial evidence
may not hold up in court,
693
00:30:35,913 --> 00:30:39,427
but I'm willing to bet she knows
there's a whiff of truth to it.
694
00:30:39,988 --> 00:30:41,621
Maybe we can use that
695
00:30:41,665 --> 00:30:44,798
to wrestle some favorable terms from her.
696
00:30:45,619 --> 00:30:47,540
Would I still have to go to prison?
697
00:30:48,585 --> 00:30:49,873
Yes.
698
00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:53,411
I'm hoping we can keep it
to less than five years,
699
00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:55,874
as opposed to the ten to 20
you're looking at now.
700
00:30:57,263 --> 00:30:59,174
Oh, my God.
701
00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:04,296
What about Chloe?
702
00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:07,908
She'd be returned back to her father.
703
00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:12,646
She's 15.
704
00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:14,080
If he starts abusing her,
705
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:16,228
it will not stay secret long.
706
00:31:16,312 --> 00:31:17,791
And for what it's worth,
707
00:31:17,962 --> 00:31:21,096
your ex-brother-in-law is on notice.
708
00:31:21,139 --> 00:31:23,698
He knows we're all watching.
709
00:31:24,636 --> 00:31:27,035
And would I ever get to see her again?
710
00:31:28,407 --> 00:31:30,497
Do I get to see Chloe?
711
00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:35,893
You'd be a convicted kidnapper, so...
712
00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:38,796
no, I don't think that's at all likely.
713
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,522
Mrs. Cooper?
714
00:31:56,434 --> 00:31:58,697
My name is Danny James.
I'm an investigator
715
00:31:58,741 --> 00:32:01,309
working on a court case
involving your husband
716
00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:04,225
and his daughter
from a previous marriage.
717
00:32:04,823 --> 00:32:07,054
I'm... kind of on vacation with my son.
718
00:32:07,097 --> 00:32:09,186
I don't really want to get involved.
719
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:11,232
I promise, it'll be two minutes.
720
00:32:13,875 --> 00:32:16,225
Mrs. Cooper,
don't make me get a subpoena.
721
00:32:23,548 --> 00:32:26,159
Can we make this fast?
722
00:32:26,553 --> 00:32:30,120
I-I promised my little boy I
would take him to a water park.
723
00:32:30,163 --> 00:32:31,730
Sure. And I'm sorry.
724
00:32:31,774 --> 00:32:34,733
Uh, look, we have reason
to believe that your husband
725
00:32:34,777 --> 00:32:37,127
may have been physically abusive
to your little boy.
726
00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:39,521
And to you.
727
00:32:39,564 --> 00:32:41,087
Seriously?
728
00:32:41,443 --> 00:32:43,307
That's what you want to talk to me about?
729
00:32:43,737 --> 00:32:45,309
Where did you hear that?
730
00:32:45,353 --> 00:32:47,268
That's crazy.
731
00:32:48,051 --> 00:32:49,618
Are you married?
732
00:32:49,951 --> 00:32:51,141
You ever been married?
733
00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:53,833
- No.
- Well, I've only been at it
734
00:32:53,877 --> 00:32:56,146
for a few years, but let
me tell you two things
735
00:32:56,189 --> 00:32:57,887
I know for sure.
736
00:32:57,930 --> 00:33:00,411
One, marriage,
737
00:33:00,455 --> 00:33:04,328
like any deal, is filled
with lots of good
738
00:33:04,372 --> 00:33:06,417
and also some bad.
739
00:33:06,461 --> 00:33:08,094
My boy.
740
00:33:08,155 --> 00:33:09,504
I love my boy.
741
00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:11,857
And that's one of the
goods, one of the greats.
742
00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:14,338
And I don't worry much about...
743
00:33:14,642 --> 00:33:17,776
bills anymore, and you
can't hate that, so...
744
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:19,887
if my husband comes home sometimes
745
00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:22,520
- and he's not in a stellar mood, then...
- I'm not just talking
746
00:33:22,564 --> 00:33:24,711
about someone in a bad mood, Mrs. Cooper.
747
00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:27,351
And the other thing... and
you ought to know this...
748
00:33:27,395 --> 00:33:30,833
uh, you can't force me to
testify against my own husband.
749
00:33:31,736 --> 00:33:33,173
You can't.
750
00:33:34,576 --> 00:33:36,998
Plus, I don't have
anything to testify to.
751
00:33:37,579 --> 00:33:40,233
So are we done here?
752
00:33:40,277 --> 00:33:42,712
I can help you. I can help both of you.
753
00:33:44,018 --> 00:33:45,410
By how?
754
00:33:45,687 --> 00:33:48,211
By-by destroying my family?
755
00:33:48,802 --> 00:33:50,635
And anyway, like I said...
756
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,160
isn't what happens between a
husband and a wife private?
757
00:33:54,204 --> 00:33:57,642
Conversations between spouses
are privileged, but...
758
00:33:57,686 --> 00:34:00,730
not when there are allegations of abuse.
759
00:34:00,783 --> 00:34:02,524
Okay, I think you need to go now.
760
00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:04,334
You wouldn't have to look
at him in court.
761
00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,444
We could have him sequestered.
762
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:09,173
And after the trial, my boss and I,
763
00:34:09,198 --> 00:34:11,908
we would help you and your little son
back on your feet.
764
00:34:12,222 --> 00:34:14,137
And in a safe place, I promise.
765
00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:16,269
That is...
766
00:34:16,313 --> 00:34:18,359
If you're willing to testify.
767
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,709
That is...
768
00:34:20,752 --> 00:34:22,580
if you're willing to admit
769
00:34:22,877 --> 00:34:25,213
you actually have something
to testify to.
770
00:34:27,455 --> 00:34:29,152
Mommy?
771
00:34:29,195 --> 00:34:30,802
Oh.
772
00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:32,808
Noah.
773
00:34:33,852 --> 00:34:36,333
Say hello to the nice lady.
774
00:34:49,564 --> 00:34:51,239
Let me call my mother.
775
00:34:52,282 --> 00:34:54,351
See if she can take my baby.
776
00:34:56,135 --> 00:34:58,094
Mrs. Cooper,
777
00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:01,445
I know it's uncomfortable you being here.
778
00:35:01,489 --> 00:35:05,144
We've sequestered your
husband as per your request,
779
00:35:05,188 --> 00:35:07,408
and, speaking for the defense,
780
00:35:07,451 --> 00:35:09,410
we really appreciate you making the trip.
781
00:35:09,883 --> 00:35:12,064
- It's okay.
- Now,
782
00:35:12,108 --> 00:35:16,199
when your husband told you
he needed to come to New York
783
00:35:16,242 --> 00:35:17,853
for a court date,
784
00:35:17,896 --> 00:35:20,290
did he explain the nature of the trial?
785
00:35:20,769 --> 00:35:22,466
Uh, no, not really.
786
00:35:22,771 --> 00:35:25,469
He said it was a business thing.
787
00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:28,341
So you and your two-year-old son
788
00:35:28,385 --> 00:35:30,735
just decided to take a little road trip?
789
00:35:31,154 --> 00:35:32,563
Yes.
790
00:35:32,607 --> 00:35:34,157
I just...
791
00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:37,535
with Jim away...
792
00:35:38,351 --> 00:35:40,484
I just needed to do some thinking.
793
00:35:40,528 --> 00:35:41,703
Well...
794
00:35:42,165 --> 00:35:44,626
I'm sorry to have interrupted your trip.
795
00:35:45,446 --> 00:35:47,665
So let me get right into it.
796
00:35:49,188 --> 00:35:50,668
Here goes nothing.
797
00:35:50,712 --> 00:35:52,103
Mrs. Cooper,
798
00:35:52,147 --> 00:35:55,412
have you ever been
afraid of your husband?
799
00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:56,679
Yes.
800
00:35:57,059 --> 00:36:00,058
And can you please
explain to the jury why?
801
00:36:00,793 --> 00:36:03,645
Uh, he yells at me sometimes.
802
00:36:04,682 --> 00:36:06,771
Like when our two-year-old cries.
803
00:36:07,524 --> 00:36:10,527
And he'll, uh, slam doors...
804
00:36:11,123 --> 00:36:14,387
break things when something upsets him.
805
00:36:14,431 --> 00:36:15,551
And in the past,
806
00:36:15,594 --> 00:36:18,409
when something upset him,
has he ever gotten physical
807
00:36:18,453 --> 00:36:20,286
with you or Noah?
808
00:36:23,035 --> 00:36:24,994
This was from a week ago.
809
00:36:32,382 --> 00:36:35,757
Let the record
reflect that the witness is talking
810
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,804
about the bruising and swelling
on the right side of her face.
811
00:36:40,824 --> 00:36:44,727
And can you please explain the
events surrounding the injury?
812
00:36:45,436 --> 00:36:47,897
I told Jim I wanted to go back to school,
813
00:36:49,074 --> 00:36:52,513
and he started screaming
about who would care for Noah.
814
00:36:52,556 --> 00:36:54,558
And then what happened?
815
00:36:54,602 --> 00:36:58,040
I-I told him...
that we would figure it out.
816
00:36:58,083 --> 00:36:59,784
A lot of people figure it out.
817
00:37:00,123 --> 00:37:02,168
- And how did he respond?
- He...
818
00:37:02,479 --> 00:37:04,998
balled up his fist and...
819
00:37:07,745 --> 00:37:09,312
I lost two teeth.
820
00:37:14,709 --> 00:37:17,973
Now, let's talk
about your two-year-old son.
821
00:37:18,016 --> 00:37:21,498
He has his arm in a sling, doesn't he?
822
00:37:21,542 --> 00:37:23,169
He does.
823
00:37:23,212 --> 00:37:24,327
And...
824
00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:26,024
do you know what happened to him?
825
00:37:26,068 --> 00:37:28,592
Yes, and no.
826
00:37:28,636 --> 00:37:31,377
I had to work on a Saturday,
827
00:37:31,421 --> 00:37:33,568
and Jim stayed home with him.
828
00:37:33,945 --> 00:37:35,737
He wasn't happy about it.
829
00:37:37,209 --> 00:37:39,516
And when I got home eight hours later,
830
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,127
they had already been
to the emergency room and back.
831
00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:47,132
Apparently, Noah's arm
got pulled out of its socket.
832
00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:52,616
Jim said they were just horsing around.
833
00:37:57,401 --> 00:37:58,359
What did Noah say?
834
00:37:58,384 --> 00:37:59,516
Objection. Hearsay.
835
00:37:59,541 --> 00:38:00,890
Your Honor,
836
00:38:01,124 --> 00:38:02,734
the child is two years old.
837
00:38:03,192 --> 00:38:05,476
Would you really have me call him here
838
00:38:05,501 --> 00:38:08,439
- to testify?
- I'll allow it.
839
00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:11,461
Witness will answer the question.
840
00:38:11,504 --> 00:38:13,419
No, he-he didn't really say anything.
841
00:38:13,463 --> 00:38:16,466
He's only two, and he's very shy.
842
00:38:18,337 --> 00:38:20,296
But every time Jim comes near him,
843
00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:21,926
- he hides behind my leg.
- Objection.
844
00:38:21,969 --> 00:38:24,474
Your Honor, this is simply speculation.
845
00:38:24,517 --> 00:38:25,727
It proves nothing.
846
00:38:25,771 --> 00:38:28,308
Objection sustained.
The jury will disregard
847
00:38:28,351 --> 00:38:31,768
the witness's testimony with
respect to her two-year-old child.
848
00:38:32,395 --> 00:38:34,742
Isn't it true your son had a...
849
00:38:34,786 --> 00:38:37,966
preschool teacher that expressed concern
850
00:38:38,009 --> 00:38:40,882
about visible bruising on the boy's body
851
00:38:41,335 --> 00:38:43,228
and brought it
to your husband's attention,
852
00:38:43,272 --> 00:38:46,741
who responded by withdrawing
your child from the school?
853
00:38:46,766 --> 00:38:48,768
- Way to slip one in, Benny.
- Your Honor,
854
00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:51,162
objection. This is just more hearsay
855
00:38:51,187 --> 00:38:52,918
masquerading as testimony.
856
00:38:52,943 --> 00:38:55,172
Objection sustained. Counselor,
857
00:38:55,461 --> 00:38:57,110
I know what you're doing.
858
00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:58,495
I don't like it.
859
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,304
Now, I need you to ask questions
860
00:39:00,329 --> 00:39:02,113
that pertain only to events
861
00:39:02,138 --> 00:39:03,705
that the witness
would have seen for herself.
862
00:39:03,928 --> 00:39:05,495
Yes, Your Honor.
863
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,999
Come on.
864
00:39:07,024 --> 00:39:09,287
They got to be reacting to this.
865
00:39:09,312 --> 00:39:12,709
Indeed they are. You just flipped two.
866
00:39:16,312 --> 00:39:17,797
Mrs. Cooper...
867
00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:22,379
were there any other incidents
of physical violence
868
00:39:22,404 --> 00:39:25,929
that either involved you or to which...
869
00:39:25,954 --> 00:39:27,652
you were a direct witness?
870
00:39:27,818 --> 00:39:29,308
He, uh...
871
00:39:30,758 --> 00:39:32,854
burned me.
872
00:39:34,012 --> 00:39:36,362
Here and here.
873
00:39:37,414 --> 00:39:38,676
With cigarettes.
874
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,611
He...
875
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,030
bit my ear.
876
00:39:43,901 --> 00:39:45,616
I had to get stitches.
877
00:39:46,784 --> 00:39:48,340
Anything else?
878
00:39:49,385 --> 00:39:51,692
He kicked me once.
879
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,083
Kicked you where, Mrs. Cooper?
880
00:39:55,478 --> 00:39:57,741
Between my legs.
881
00:40:00,173 --> 00:40:04,110
And you were able to
document each of these incidents?
882
00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:06,445
In each case,
883
00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:08,796
you went and sought
medical attention afterwards?
884
00:40:08,839 --> 00:40:10,449
Yes.
885
00:40:10,493 --> 00:40:12,582
Although, I always made up a story
886
00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,854
as to how I got the injury.
887
00:40:15,541 --> 00:40:16,814
Thank you.
888
00:40:17,488 --> 00:40:19,447
No further questions, Your Honor.
889
00:40:25,366 --> 00:40:28,282
So, you admit you lied about the details
890
00:40:28,307 --> 00:40:31,049
when you sought medical help for these...
891
00:40:31,074 --> 00:40:32,989
so-called injuries?
892
00:40:33,176 --> 00:40:35,333
Yes. I was embarrassed.
893
00:40:35,485 --> 00:40:37,531
So tell me, Mrs. Cooper,
894
00:40:37,556 --> 00:40:40,603
now that we've established
that you're an admitted liar,
895
00:40:40,871 --> 00:40:44,258
why should we believe
anything else you say?
896
00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:45,818
For instance,
897
00:40:45,843 --> 00:40:48,846
how do we know these injures
aren't self-inflicted?
898
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,314
Well, I...
899
00:40:51,339 --> 00:40:53,864
I wouldn't burn my own arm...
900
00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:55,186
ma'am.
901
00:40:56,234 --> 00:40:59,150
And I'm not even sure
how I would bite my own ear.
902
00:40:59,194 --> 00:41:01,526
Not to mention kick myself...
903
00:41:02,521 --> 00:41:04,320
where I indicated.
904
00:41:22,086 --> 00:41:24,175
Wait, where is Mr. Colón?
905
00:41:24,219 --> 00:41:25,786
Well, he stayed behind
906
00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:27,697
to talk to your
ex-brother-in-law's new wife.
907
00:41:27,722 --> 00:41:29,988
She wanted to file charges against him,
908
00:41:30,013 --> 00:41:31,781
and Benny's offered to put her in touch
909
00:41:31,806 --> 00:41:33,808
with the D.A. in Florida.
910
00:41:37,584 --> 00:41:39,499
How do I do this?
911
00:41:39,524 --> 00:41:40,731
Where do I start?
912
00:41:40,756 --> 00:41:44,162
Am I Elena, or do I go
back to being Angela?
913
00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:47,546
What do people call me?
What do I call myself?
914
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,346
Mom!
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