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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:08,524 --> 00:00:11,527 $600 for a freaking T-shirt? 2 00:00:11,571 --> 00:00:13,414 Did you say $600? 3 00:00:14,356 --> 00:00:15,662 Wow. 4 00:00:15,705 --> 00:00:17,664 This is SoHo, Chloe. 5 00:00:17,707 --> 00:00:19,100 Still. 6 00:00:20,906 --> 00:00:24,192 Ladies, let me know if there's anything I can help you with. 7 00:00:24,236 --> 00:00:26,238 Thank you. 8 00:00:29,017 --> 00:00:31,541 We should probably head back to Brooklyn soon. 9 00:00:32,219 --> 00:00:35,394 Oh, my God, a scarf is $400? 10 00:00:40,554 --> 00:00:42,077 Should I get it? 11 00:00:42,102 --> 00:00:44,539 What? No. Your mom will kill you. 12 00:00:47,386 --> 00:00:48,517 Hey. 13 00:00:48,542 --> 00:00:51,545 I didn't say anything about buying it. 14 00:00:54,006 --> 00:00:55,355 Oh, come on. 15 00:00:55,380 --> 00:00:57,121 Warmth is a fundamental human right. 16 00:00:57,146 --> 00:01:00,043 And I need a scarf. 17 00:01:00,755 --> 00:01:03,845 Relax. You're gonna attract attention. 18 00:01:08,410 --> 00:01:09,933 Hey. 19 00:01:09,977 --> 00:01:13,140 You should get those earrings. They're your favorite color. 20 00:01:13,225 --> 00:01:15,401 I don't think so. 21 00:01:15,591 --> 00:01:17,853 Do you know how cute you'd look with them? 22 00:01:37,636 --> 00:01:38,954 Sorry, ladies. 23 00:01:39,547 --> 00:01:42,419 I'm gonna need to see inside those purses. 24 00:01:48,233 --> 00:01:50,757 Good afternoon. My name is Elena Smith. 25 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,151 I got a phone call that my 15-year-old daughter 26 00:01:53,194 --> 00:01:55,544 was arrested for shoplifting? 27 00:02:01,898 --> 00:02:03,161 Wait, there must be some mistake. 28 00:02:03,204 --> 00:02:05,467 I'm supposed to meet my daughter in here. 29 00:02:05,511 --> 00:02:07,295 There's been no mistake, Ms. Smith. 30 00:02:07,339 --> 00:02:08,992 It's you we want to talk to. 31 00:02:09,036 --> 00:02:11,169 I'm Agent Franks with the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 32 00:02:11,212 --> 00:02:12,344 This is Agent Arnold. 33 00:02:12,387 --> 00:02:14,433 Would you please take a seat? 34 00:02:14,476 --> 00:02:15,912 Shoplifting? 35 00:02:15,956 --> 00:02:19,307 Is that something the FBI gets involved with these days? 36 00:02:19,351 --> 00:02:21,752 Uh, just for the record, you're Chloe Smith's mom? 37 00:02:21,796 --> 00:02:24,791 Yes. Is she okay? W-What did she do? 38 00:02:26,314 --> 00:02:29,230 Chloe's real name isn't Chloe at all, is it? 39 00:02:29,274 --> 00:02:31,189 And her last name isn't Smith. 40 00:02:31,677 --> 00:02:33,800 For that matter, I'm guessing neither is yours. 41 00:02:34,844 --> 00:02:37,195 Your daughter, who isn't your daughter, 42 00:02:38,058 --> 00:02:40,372 her real name is Sarah Cooper, isn't it? 43 00:02:40,415 --> 00:02:41,938 We ran her prints. 44 00:02:41,982 --> 00:02:44,245 She's originally from Clearwater, Florida, 45 00:02:44,289 --> 00:02:46,900 and we suspect maybe you are, too. 46 00:02:47,317 --> 00:02:50,643 Your real name's Angela Brown, isn't it? 47 00:02:50,686 --> 00:02:52,079 Ms. Brown, 48 00:02:52,122 --> 00:02:54,081 we've been looking for you and that little girl 49 00:02:54,124 --> 00:02:55,951 for an awfully long time. 50 00:03:01,262 --> 00:03:02,568 - Go away. - No. 51 00:03:02,611 --> 00:03:04,526 Nope. I need to speak with you. 52 00:03:04,570 --> 00:03:06,136 Have some mercy. 53 00:03:06,180 --> 00:03:08,226 You know I have a two-week-old at home. 54 00:03:08,269 --> 00:03:10,924 I know that. 55 00:03:12,186 --> 00:03:16,451 She's adorable, but confused. 56 00:03:16,495 --> 00:03:19,237 Doesn't know night from day. 57 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:20,890 Ugh, come on. 58 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:24,329 I'm working on 22 minutes' sleep here. 59 00:03:24,532 --> 00:03:26,189 I beg you. 60 00:03:27,636 --> 00:03:29,334 Sorry, Bull. 61 00:03:29,377 --> 00:03:31,292 You know, I just, uh, 62 00:03:31,336 --> 00:03:33,860 got off the phone with my financial guy, 63 00:03:33,903 --> 00:03:35,731 trying to start a college fund 64 00:03:35,756 --> 00:03:39,629 for baby Bull, but I got to have her full name. 65 00:03:39,692 --> 00:03:41,433 They won't let me open up an account 66 00:03:41,458 --> 00:03:44,244 without a last name and a first name. 67 00:03:44,305 --> 00:03:47,177 So what's it gonna be? Asa or Ingrid? 68 00:03:48,295 --> 00:03:49,571 Remember? 69 00:03:49,615 --> 00:03:52,270 You told me you wanted to name her Ingrid, 70 00:03:52,313 --> 00:03:54,402 and Izzy wanted to name her Asa. 71 00:03:54,446 --> 00:03:56,595 So where'd you guys end up? 72 00:03:57,231 --> 00:03:58,580 We met in the middle. 73 00:03:58,624 --> 00:04:00,278 What? Inga? 74 00:04:00,766 --> 00:04:02,062 Astrid. 75 00:04:02,105 --> 00:04:03,281 Ah. 76 00:04:04,369 --> 00:04:06,229 Astrid. 77 00:04:07,241 --> 00:04:11,201 I like it. Never heard it before, but I like it. 78 00:04:11,245 --> 00:04:12,855 Same here. 79 00:04:14,117 --> 00:04:15,293 See what you started? 80 00:04:16,468 --> 00:04:18,644 You two boys interested in running up 81 00:04:18,687 --> 00:04:21,299 to the Metropolitan Correctional Center late this afternoon, 82 00:04:21,342 --> 00:04:24,171 and talking to a woman accused of kidnapping her niece 83 00:04:24,196 --> 00:04:27,042 12 years ago and bringing her up as her daughter? 84 00:04:29,132 --> 00:04:34,038 12 years ago, my younger sister Marie died in a car accident. 85 00:04:34,063 --> 00:04:36,898 She had just dropped her three-year-old daughter off at day care. 86 00:04:36,923 --> 00:04:39,279 Sarah. Sarah Cooper. 87 00:04:39,926 --> 00:04:41,057 Yes. 88 00:04:41,101 --> 00:04:42,972 That was the name she was born with. 89 00:04:43,016 --> 00:04:44,887 Sarah Cooper. 90 00:04:44,931 --> 00:04:47,107 And what about her father? 91 00:04:47,150 --> 00:04:51,198 What was going on with Sarah's father after your sister died? 92 00:04:51,241 --> 00:04:54,375 My brother-in-law had issues with impulse control. 93 00:04:54,419 --> 00:04:58,379 Struggled with his drinking, with drugs. 94 00:04:58,824 --> 00:05:00,742 He used to beat my sister. 95 00:05:01,164 --> 00:05:02,994 He used to hurt Chloe. 96 00:05:03,689 --> 00:05:05,299 Sarah. 97 00:05:05,343 --> 00:05:06,866 And you witnessed this? 98 00:05:06,909 --> 00:05:08,135 I saw the bruises. 99 00:05:08,179 --> 00:05:09,710 But your sister confided in you? 100 00:05:09,753 --> 00:05:11,740 She didn't have to confide in me. 101 00:05:11,784 --> 00:05:14,526 S-She didn't have to say it. She was my sister. 102 00:05:14,569 --> 00:05:18,209 Uh, these bruises, did you ask her about them? 103 00:05:18,252 --> 00:05:19,879 I tried. 104 00:05:19,922 --> 00:05:23,390 She'd tell me she walked into a door. 105 00:05:24,144 --> 00:05:27,277 Or when her hand had what looked to me like cigarette burns, 106 00:05:27,321 --> 00:05:30,629 she'd tell me she did it to herself on the stove. 107 00:05:30,672 --> 00:05:32,326 Tell me about Sarah. 108 00:05:32,370 --> 00:05:34,609 After Marie died, 109 00:05:34,634 --> 00:05:36,666 I noticed she started having bruises. 110 00:05:36,691 --> 00:05:38,881 And did you ask your brother-in-law? 111 00:05:38,906 --> 00:05:40,574 The girl's father? 112 00:05:40,742 --> 00:05:42,951 He'd tell me Sarah fell down. 113 00:05:43,468 --> 00:05:45,339 "Sarah fell off her big wheel." 114 00:05:45,383 --> 00:05:47,455 There was always a story. 115 00:05:48,832 --> 00:05:51,432 So, I contacted Florida's Department 116 00:05:51,476 --> 00:05:53,434 of Children and Families. 117 00:05:53,478 --> 00:05:55,480 But by the time they came out to investigate, 118 00:05:55,523 --> 00:05:57,482 the bruises were almost gone. 119 00:05:57,525 --> 00:05:59,919 I think I reported him five, six times. 120 00:05:59,962 --> 00:06:02,356 And then, one day, 121 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:05,765 I went over there to visit my niece, 122 00:06:06,116 --> 00:06:09,206 and they told me she was in the hospital with a broken arm. 123 00:06:09,363 --> 00:06:12,063 Jim said she fell down the stairs. 124 00:06:12,932 --> 00:06:15,318 But when I went to the hospital 125 00:06:15,361 --> 00:06:19,404 and asked Sarah what had happened, she wouldn't tell me. 126 00:06:20,069 --> 00:06:23,421 She just looked sad. 127 00:06:23,464 --> 00:06:25,368 She wouldn't say anything. 128 00:06:26,536 --> 00:06:30,253 So, the next morning, I went back to the hospital. 129 00:06:30,665 --> 00:06:33,431 And I told her we were going on a trip. 130 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:36,963 That was 12 years ago. 131 00:06:37,182 --> 00:06:40,675 Let's talk about the trial. It's not gonna be easy. 132 00:06:40,890 --> 00:06:42,283 There's no denying what you did. 133 00:06:42,607 --> 00:06:44,790 You took a child who wasn't yours. 134 00:06:44,833 --> 00:06:46,966 A child who still had a parent. 135 00:06:47,009 --> 00:06:49,059 And there's no jury 136 00:06:49,103 --> 00:06:51,061 that's gonna have an easy time looking past that, 137 00:06:51,086 --> 00:06:55,003 which is why Sarah... Chloe... 138 00:06:55,028 --> 00:06:56,726 is the key to your defense. 139 00:06:56,751 --> 00:06:58,151 The key? 140 00:06:58,807 --> 00:07:02,245 How? She was only three when all this happened. 141 00:07:02,270 --> 00:07:04,011 She doesn't remember anything. 142 00:07:04,036 --> 00:07:05,473 Of course. 143 00:07:05,498 --> 00:07:08,161 But surely she has an opinion on you as a mother. 144 00:07:09,214 --> 00:07:11,607 How did she react when you told her you'd been arrested? 145 00:07:11,991 --> 00:07:16,038 I told her I'd been called away on a business trip. 146 00:07:16,082 --> 00:07:18,563 I called her friend's parents and asked if she could stay 147 00:07:18,588 --> 00:07:20,006 with them for a day or two. 148 00:07:20,379 --> 00:07:22,990 Ms. Smith, Ms. Brown, 149 00:07:23,393 --> 00:07:25,657 you need to explain to your niece what's really going on here. 150 00:07:25,701 --> 00:07:28,056 That is a conversation that has to be had. 151 00:07:28,081 --> 00:07:29,430 Dr. Bull is right. 152 00:07:29,762 --> 00:07:32,602 She is the most important witness we have. 153 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,668 Now, we're happy to bring Chloe here, tomorrow. 154 00:07:36,711 --> 00:07:38,608 Give you two a chance to talk. 155 00:07:38,734 --> 00:07:39,810 Here? 156 00:07:41,716 --> 00:07:45,198 So I can tell her her whole life's been a fiction? 157 00:07:45,241 --> 00:07:46,834 She thinks her father is dead, 158 00:07:46,878 --> 00:07:49,786 that he's a war hero, he lost his life in Afghanistan. 159 00:07:49,811 --> 00:07:51,335 Be that as it may, 160 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:53,933 if that girl doesn't tell the jury what a wonderful mother 161 00:07:53,958 --> 00:07:55,830 you've been, you will be found guilty. 162 00:07:55,855 --> 00:07:58,684 And the authorities will almost certainly return her 163 00:07:58,709 --> 00:08:00,672 to the man you're convinced hurt her. 164 00:08:05,039 --> 00:08:06,886 Tell me you'll call her tonight. 165 00:08:07,613 --> 00:08:10,355 Tell me you'll explain you need to see her. 166 00:08:11,486 --> 00:08:12,851 Okay. 167 00:08:14,836 --> 00:08:16,621 I'll call her. 168 00:08:16,664 --> 00:08:18,815 I'll tell her about the two of you. 169 00:08:19,232 --> 00:08:21,016 That you'll be bringing her to me. 170 00:08:23,366 --> 00:08:25,322 But I won't tell her where. 171 00:08:25,881 --> 00:08:27,824 And I won't tell her why. 172 00:08:28,633 --> 00:08:30,852 I-I just can't. 173 00:08:34,043 --> 00:08:39,805 Synced & corrected by -robtor- www.addic7ed.com 174 00:08:42,263 --> 00:08:43,673 Here she comes. 175 00:09:00,594 --> 00:09:02,596 You all right? 176 00:09:05,207 --> 00:09:07,209 It's a lot. 177 00:09:09,429 --> 00:09:10,867 It is. 178 00:09:12,444 --> 00:09:14,042 I hate to be the naysayer... 179 00:09:14,085 --> 00:09:15,304 - No, you don't. - I-I don't know 180 00:09:15,347 --> 00:09:17,045 how we're supposed to prove abuse 181 00:09:17,088 --> 00:09:19,341 that supposedly happened over 12 years ago 182 00:09:19,385 --> 00:09:21,967 in a place that's over a thousand miles away. 183 00:09:22,010 --> 00:09:24,487 I don't know. I mean, the kid did break her arm. 184 00:09:24,531 --> 00:09:26,315 Yeah, but it was a spiral fracture, 185 00:09:26,358 --> 00:09:27,969 which is actually pretty common. 186 00:09:28,012 --> 00:09:29,840 It can happen when you yank a toddler's arm 187 00:09:29,884 --> 00:09:31,320 or when you're just horsing around, 188 00:09:31,363 --> 00:09:33,047 which is what the dad told the doctors. 189 00:09:33,091 --> 00:09:35,933 Speaking of the father... 190 00:09:36,267 --> 00:09:37,935 Tell us what you know. 191 00:09:37,979 --> 00:09:39,502 His name is Jim Cooper. 192 00:09:39,546 --> 00:09:41,809 Went through kind of a dark period after his wife passed 193 00:09:41,852 --> 00:09:43,506 and his daughter disappeared. 194 00:09:43,550 --> 00:09:46,204 Couldn't hold down a job, got himself into a lot of debt. 195 00:09:46,248 --> 00:09:48,946 Lost his house. Some minor arrests for drunkenness. 196 00:09:48,990 --> 00:09:50,208 Then about eight years ago, 197 00:09:50,252 --> 00:09:51,775 he started to pull his life back together. 198 00:09:51,819 --> 00:09:53,908 Bought a water-softening franchise, 199 00:09:53,951 --> 00:09:56,954 remarried four years ago, has a two-and-a-half-year-old son, 200 00:09:56,998 --> 00:09:58,956 has six employees. 201 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:01,959 I've dated guys whose bios read worse than this. 202 00:10:02,003 --> 00:10:04,421 Here's the thing. Bull keeps saying the literature 203 00:10:04,446 --> 00:10:07,163 is pretty clear about the fact that abuse tends to be cyclical. 204 00:10:07,225 --> 00:10:10,276 I mean, even though this Jim Cooper remarried... 205 00:10:10,301 --> 00:10:12,220 You think he's abusing his new wife and kid? 206 00:10:12,361 --> 00:10:14,929 Well, I certainly hope not, but he probably had 207 00:10:14,972 --> 00:10:17,888 other relationships before he met his current wife. 208 00:10:17,932 --> 00:10:20,282 And if we can establish a pattern of abuse, 209 00:10:20,325 --> 00:10:23,981 it would certainly bolster Elena's credibility. 210 00:10:24,607 --> 00:10:26,767 Looks like I'm on a plane to sunny Florida. 211 00:10:26,810 --> 00:10:29,126 Do you know what the problem with this case is? 212 00:10:29,696 --> 00:10:32,686 Our client did exactly what she's being charged with. 213 00:10:33,408 --> 00:10:36,317 I'm starting to think our only choice might be to embrace that. 214 00:10:36,361 --> 00:10:37,995 Why would we do that? 215 00:10:38,039 --> 00:10:40,781 To gain credibility with the judge and the jury. 216 00:10:40,824 --> 00:10:43,000 Make a play for a lenient sentence. 217 00:10:43,044 --> 00:10:45,568 Our play is to get her acquitted. 218 00:10:46,129 --> 00:10:48,092 If we have to ask for a lenient sentence, 219 00:10:48,136 --> 00:10:51,400 it means we've lost, and our client didn't hire us to lose. 220 00:10:51,443 --> 00:10:54,113 Yeah, but, Bull, there is no defense for this crime. 221 00:10:54,156 --> 00:10:56,345 It's not like we can claim that it was an accident 222 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:57,841 or self-defense or even insanity. 223 00:10:57,885 --> 00:10:59,392 I mean, she's guilty. 224 00:10:59,435 --> 00:11:00,757 She did it. 225 00:11:00,801 --> 00:11:02,803 She kidnapped her niece. 226 00:11:02,846 --> 00:11:04,674 Well, that's where jury nullification comes in. 227 00:11:04,718 --> 00:11:07,137 We've got to convince this jury that the kidnapping law 228 00:11:07,181 --> 00:11:09,237 shouldn't apply to Elena's situation. 229 00:11:09,281 --> 00:11:12,377 She wasn't kidnapping her niece; she was rescuing her. 230 00:11:12,421 --> 00:11:14,379 Let the prosecution call it a kidnapping. 231 00:11:14,991 --> 00:11:16,381 We're gonna call it a rescue. 232 00:11:17,076 --> 00:11:18,775 I need to warn you... the first witness 233 00:11:18,819 --> 00:11:20,777 to take the stand today 234 00:11:20,821 --> 00:11:23,598 is going to be your former brother-in-law. 235 00:11:23,641 --> 00:11:25,397 Whatever you may think about him, 236 00:11:25,422 --> 00:11:28,767 we need you to understand the jury will almost certainly 237 00:11:28,829 --> 00:11:30,439 empathize with him. 238 00:11:30,483 --> 00:11:31,992 All they're gonna see 239 00:11:32,036 --> 00:11:34,486 is a young widower who lost his only child. 240 00:11:34,530 --> 00:11:37,583 Wow. The bastard sobered up long enough 241 00:11:37,626 --> 00:11:40,928 to fly three hours up the coast so he could lie under oath? 242 00:11:41,434 --> 00:11:43,931 According to the prosecutor, he's been sober for years. 243 00:11:43,974 --> 00:11:46,472 He's also remarried, owns his own business, 244 00:11:46,516 --> 00:11:47,804 has a two-year-old son, 245 00:11:47,848 --> 00:11:50,253 and very much wants his daughter back. 246 00:11:51,194 --> 00:11:54,158 Angela, the reason we're telling you this... 247 00:11:56,699 --> 00:11:59,816 We need you to be careful not to react when he testifies. 248 00:11:59,860 --> 00:12:03,254 The jury is watching you, they're studying you. 249 00:12:03,998 --> 00:12:06,301 If they see anger, if they see contempt, 250 00:12:07,001 --> 00:12:09,609 they're gonna presume that you took this man's child 251 00:12:09,652 --> 00:12:11,611 out of spite. 252 00:12:12,006 --> 00:12:13,438 So... 253 00:12:13,482 --> 00:12:15,093 you got to the hospital, 254 00:12:15,366 --> 00:12:17,094 walked into your daughter's room, 255 00:12:17,138 --> 00:12:18,922 and she just wasn't there? 256 00:12:18,966 --> 00:12:21,185 Exactly. And no one... no one knew where she was. 257 00:12:21,229 --> 00:12:23,448 So, of course, I went to the police. 258 00:12:23,492 --> 00:12:25,450 And how long before you figured out 259 00:12:25,494 --> 00:12:27,712 that it was probably your sister-in-law 260 00:12:27,755 --> 00:12:28,845 who had taken her? 261 00:12:28,889 --> 00:12:32,022 Maybe a day. There was hospital video. 262 00:12:32,066 --> 00:12:33,197 Uh... 263 00:12:33,241 --> 00:12:35,765 but the thing is, no one realized 264 00:12:35,809 --> 00:12:38,942 that she had taken her for good, 265 00:12:38,986 --> 00:12:40,685 that she'd left the state. 266 00:12:40,729 --> 00:12:43,077 I kept thinking that she had taken her to the movies 267 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,623 or to some theme park to... 268 00:12:46,833 --> 00:12:48,628 take her mind off of her mother. 269 00:12:48,653 --> 00:12:49,829 Mr. Cooper. 270 00:12:50,693 --> 00:12:53,783 Did you ever hit your first wife? 271 00:12:53,827 --> 00:12:55,174 Never. 272 00:12:55,199 --> 00:12:57,550 Did you ever strike your daughter Sarah? 273 00:12:57,787 --> 00:12:59,223 Never. 274 00:12:59,267 --> 00:13:00,877 Mr. Cooper, 275 00:13:00,921 --> 00:13:04,185 if the defendant is found guilty, 276 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:06,404 are you prepared 277 00:13:06,448 --> 00:13:08,885 to welcome your daughter back into your home? 278 00:13:09,814 --> 00:13:12,454 Prepared? I have been waiting 12 years for this. 279 00:13:12,497 --> 00:13:15,283 I would do anything to have my child back. Yes. 280 00:13:16,937 --> 00:13:19,026 No further questions, Your Honor. 281 00:13:20,491 --> 00:13:21,985 Mr. Colón. 282 00:13:22,029 --> 00:13:23,204 Yes, Your Honor. 283 00:13:23,247 --> 00:13:25,075 Thank you, Your Honor. 284 00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:30,084 Mr. Cooper... 285 00:13:31,038 --> 00:13:34,171 we really appreciate you coming all this way to... 286 00:13:34,630 --> 00:13:36,391 share your recollections. 287 00:13:36,434 --> 00:13:38,915 Recollections? I-I-I'm talking about... 288 00:13:39,300 --> 00:13:40,308 my family. 289 00:13:40,351 --> 00:13:42,943 I'm talking about my blood, my-my child. 290 00:13:42,986 --> 00:13:45,617 Yes, yes, of course, of course, but... 291 00:13:45,661 --> 00:13:48,403 12 years is a long time. 292 00:13:48,936 --> 00:13:50,579 A lot has changed. 293 00:13:50,622 --> 00:13:52,059 Right? 294 00:13:52,102 --> 00:13:54,714 You're remarried, you have a two-year-old at home... 295 00:13:54,758 --> 00:13:58,205 I never stopped looking. I... I never gave up. 296 00:13:58,248 --> 00:13:59,936 If you say so, sir. 297 00:13:59,980 --> 00:14:01,365 Now... 298 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:05,620 you were unemployed at the time your daughter disappeared, 299 00:14:05,855 --> 00:14:07,762 - weren't you? - Yes, I-I had a tough time 300 00:14:07,787 --> 00:14:09,337 after my wife died. 301 00:14:09,380 --> 00:14:11,426 Completely understandable. 302 00:14:11,469 --> 00:14:13,776 Although, our records indicate 303 00:14:13,820 --> 00:14:15,778 that you were having a tough time 304 00:14:15,822 --> 00:14:18,128 even before your wife passed away, 305 00:14:18,172 --> 00:14:20,087 pretty much beginning with the birth 306 00:14:20,130 --> 00:14:21,597 of your first child, Sarah. 307 00:14:21,641 --> 00:14:23,307 Objection, Your Honor. 308 00:14:23,332 --> 00:14:26,291 Is counsel asking a question or testifying? 309 00:14:26,849 --> 00:14:29,139 Ask a question, Mr. Colón. 310 00:14:29,183 --> 00:14:32,186 Absolutely, Your Honor. My apologies, Your Honor. 311 00:14:32,229 --> 00:14:33,883 Uh... 312 00:14:33,927 --> 00:14:38,061 approximately how many jobs would you say you held 313 00:14:38,086 --> 00:14:40,364 during the three-year period 314 00:14:40,426 --> 00:14:42,849 starting from the birth of your first child 315 00:14:42,892 --> 00:14:44,851 to the date that she disappeared? 316 00:14:44,894 --> 00:14:47,375 I don't know, I was still a young man, 317 00:14:47,418 --> 00:14:49,560 still trying to... find myself. 318 00:14:49,603 --> 00:14:50,640 Yeah, I get it. 319 00:14:50,665 --> 00:14:52,535 I'm just looking for a number, sir. 320 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,338 Three, maybe. 321 00:14:54,382 --> 00:14:55,470 Three. 322 00:14:55,513 --> 00:14:57,080 Three jobs in three years. 323 00:14:57,124 --> 00:14:58,675 That's what you're testifying to? 324 00:14:58,719 --> 00:15:00,726 - Could be four. - Objection, Your Honor. 325 00:15:00,751 --> 00:15:01,756 Relevance? 326 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:03,130 Your Honor, the defense 327 00:15:03,173 --> 00:15:05,785 is just trying to illustrate to the jury 328 00:15:05,828 --> 00:15:09,803 that my client has never denied that she did what she did; 329 00:15:09,846 --> 00:15:12,683 the issue in this trial is why she did it. 330 00:15:12,726 --> 00:15:14,358 And that's all we are attempting 331 00:15:14,402 --> 00:15:16,491 to illuminate, Your Honor. 332 00:15:16,983 --> 00:15:19,059 Objection overruled. 333 00:15:19,690 --> 00:15:20,822 You may proceed. 334 00:15:21,278 --> 00:15:23,890 Yeah. Now, I'll ask just one more time. 335 00:15:23,933 --> 00:15:27,241 How many jobs did you hold during the three-year period 336 00:15:27,284 --> 00:15:29,537 after your daughter's birth? 337 00:15:30,621 --> 00:15:31,985 Five. 338 00:15:32,028 --> 00:15:34,291 Five. Really? 339 00:15:34,335 --> 00:15:35,989 Huh. 340 00:15:36,032 --> 00:15:37,947 Our records show 11, sir. 341 00:15:41,037 --> 00:15:42,675 Do you care to venture 342 00:15:42,700 --> 00:15:45,747 as to how many alcohol-related arrests during that period? 343 00:15:46,596 --> 00:15:49,611 - I imagine you have that number as well. - Oh, I do, 344 00:15:49,654 --> 00:15:53,394 I do, and it's almost as high as the number of jobs lost. 345 00:15:54,582 --> 00:15:57,314 Again, beginning with the birth of your first child, 346 00:15:57,358 --> 00:15:59,751 you were also on periods of federal assistance, 347 00:15:59,795 --> 00:16:01,033 were you not? 348 00:16:01,058 --> 00:16:02,320 Yes. 349 00:16:02,737 --> 00:16:04,887 I was on assistance, but I'm not any longer. 350 00:16:04,931 --> 00:16:05,954 I haven't been for years. 351 00:16:05,997 --> 00:16:08,238 In fact, you remained on assistance 352 00:16:08,282 --> 00:16:11,178 for almost 18 months after your daughter's disappearance, right? 353 00:16:11,203 --> 00:16:12,621 - Yeah. So? - And isn't it also true 354 00:16:12,646 --> 00:16:14,288 that you never mentioned 355 00:16:14,331 --> 00:16:17,291 to your caseworker that your daughter was gone, 356 00:16:17,334 --> 00:16:19,162 so that you can continue to receive 357 00:16:19,206 --> 00:16:21,251 that extra assistance the government pays 358 00:16:21,295 --> 00:16:23,384 to families with minor children? 359 00:16:27,170 --> 00:16:28,432 How's the view? 360 00:16:28,476 --> 00:16:30,563 Nobody is switching sides yet, 361 00:16:30,607 --> 00:16:32,915 but I can see we definitely have 362 00:16:32,959 --> 00:16:34,874 - their attention. - I'm sorry, 363 00:16:34,917 --> 00:16:36,310 I-I didn't hear what you said. 364 00:16:36,353 --> 00:16:37,920 Like I said, it was a difficult time. 365 00:16:37,964 --> 00:16:39,182 Ah. 366 00:16:40,531 --> 00:16:42,193 I made some mistakes. 367 00:16:43,236 --> 00:16:46,233 I didn't attend to certain things that needed attending to. 368 00:16:46,276 --> 00:16:47,451 I won't deny that. 369 00:16:47,823 --> 00:16:49,105 But I was a little busy 370 00:16:49,149 --> 00:16:51,744 putting up posters on telephone polls... 371 00:16:52,828 --> 00:16:55,111 spending my days looking for my child. 372 00:16:55,373 --> 00:16:56,958 Be that as it may, 373 00:16:56,983 --> 00:17:00,316 you accepted federal funds under false pretense, 374 00:17:00,377 --> 00:17:01,770 - didn't you? - Objection. 375 00:17:01,813 --> 00:17:03,196 Asked and answered. 376 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:04,622 Objection sustained. 377 00:17:04,665 --> 00:17:07,254 Ask another question. 378 00:17:07,297 --> 00:17:10,039 Actually, I have no further questions, Your Honor. 379 00:17:25,853 --> 00:17:29,281 I'm worried. I haven't heard from Chloe since yesterday. 380 00:17:30,157 --> 00:17:31,730 That's funny, she missed her appointment 381 00:17:31,773 --> 00:17:34,602 with Chunk this morning to go over her testimony. 382 00:17:34,646 --> 00:17:37,206 All rise for the Honorable Judge Hopkins. 383 00:17:41,435 --> 00:17:42,920 Ms. Lawson, 384 00:17:42,945 --> 00:17:45,948 thank you for making the trip up from Florida. 385 00:17:45,973 --> 00:17:48,192 Now, in 2008, 386 00:17:48,405 --> 00:17:50,450 you were the Florida Child Services investigator 387 00:17:50,475 --> 00:17:52,694 assigned to Sarah Cooper's case. 388 00:17:52,719 --> 00:17:54,416 - Isn't that correct? - Yes. 389 00:17:54,618 --> 00:17:57,219 And apparently, you were called to the home 390 00:17:57,244 --> 00:17:58,661 a number of times. 391 00:17:58,686 --> 00:18:00,165 I was. 392 00:18:00,499 --> 00:18:01,804 Her aunt... 393 00:18:02,282 --> 00:18:03,805 the defendant... 394 00:18:03,849 --> 00:18:05,782 seemed convinced that there was 395 00:18:05,807 --> 00:18:08,009 some sort of abuse going on in the household. 396 00:18:08,034 --> 00:18:09,494 So you investigated? 397 00:18:09,519 --> 00:18:10,520 I did. 398 00:18:10,545 --> 00:18:12,155 And what did you discover? 399 00:18:12,771 --> 00:18:15,786 I found some minor issues with hygiene. 400 00:18:15,829 --> 00:18:17,526 - How do you mean? - The kitchen sink 401 00:18:17,551 --> 00:18:19,074 had dirty dishes in it. 402 00:18:19,099 --> 00:18:21,667 Sarah's clothes hadn't been washed in a while. 403 00:18:22,061 --> 00:18:23,802 Pretty standard stuff. 404 00:18:23,872 --> 00:18:26,355 And frankly, to be expected in a household 405 00:18:26,437 --> 00:18:29,178 - where the mother had just passed. - And wasn't there also 406 00:18:29,222 --> 00:18:33,012 some concern about a bruise or bruises on her arms and legs? 407 00:18:33,037 --> 00:18:36,214 Again, concerns from the defendant. 408 00:18:36,239 --> 00:18:37,675 But when I saw the child, 409 00:18:37,700 --> 00:18:40,269 it was hard to determine exactly what we were looking at. 410 00:18:40,595 --> 00:18:43,642 Now, the law requires us to open an investigation 411 00:18:43,667 --> 00:18:46,670 24 hours after someone files a concern, 412 00:18:47,025 --> 00:18:48,679 and we did that. 413 00:18:48,704 --> 00:18:51,655 But it did take us a couple of days to get out there. 414 00:18:51,940 --> 00:18:54,595 And do you think that might have accounted for your inability 415 00:18:54,620 --> 00:18:58,580 to recognize these bruises or marks as evidence of abuse? 416 00:18:58,605 --> 00:19:00,346 Honestly, no. 417 00:19:00,371 --> 00:19:02,460 Generally speaking, in child welfare cases, 418 00:19:02,485 --> 00:19:05,140 you're almost always talking about injuries 419 00:19:05,165 --> 00:19:07,907 that are profound enough to still be in evidence 420 00:19:08,076 --> 00:19:10,383 72, even 96 hours later. 421 00:19:10,408 --> 00:19:12,681 So you saw nothing that gave you cause 422 00:19:12,706 --> 00:19:14,306 to consider removing the child 423 00:19:14,331 --> 00:19:15,854 - from the home? - Oh, gosh, no. 424 00:19:15,879 --> 00:19:17,576 That is always a last resort. 425 00:19:18,172 --> 00:19:21,269 My feeling was that it would be best to continue 426 00:19:21,294 --> 00:19:24,538 to monitor the case, check back with the family bimonthly, 427 00:19:24,563 --> 00:19:25,773 so that's what we did. 428 00:19:25,913 --> 00:19:27,915 And when the child was brought to the hospital 429 00:19:27,940 --> 00:19:29,115 with a broken arm? 430 00:19:29,140 --> 00:19:31,012 We got there as quickly as we could. 431 00:19:31,498 --> 00:19:34,066 But unfortunately, when we arrived, 432 00:19:34,330 --> 00:19:37,899 the hospital had just discovered that she was missing. 433 00:19:41,727 --> 00:19:43,685 No further questions, Your Honor. 434 00:19:45,820 --> 00:19:47,255 I'm sure I don't need 435 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,760 to tell you we didn't win any friends 436 00:19:48,785 --> 00:19:50,744 - with that testimony. - Hey. 437 00:19:50,769 --> 00:19:53,729 The inning's not over until both sides have been up to bat. 438 00:19:53,754 --> 00:19:55,495 Ms. Lawson, 439 00:19:55,961 --> 00:19:57,513 you have a... 440 00:19:58,370 --> 00:20:00,589 really difficult job, don't you? 441 00:20:01,046 --> 00:20:02,393 It's not the easiest. 442 00:20:02,547 --> 00:20:04,853 In fact, even over a decade ago, 443 00:20:04,878 --> 00:20:07,533 while you were in the midst of the Sarah Cooper case, 444 00:20:07,904 --> 00:20:11,603 you were carrying double the recommended number of cases, 445 00:20:11,628 --> 00:20:12,629 isn't that right? 446 00:20:12,654 --> 00:20:14,133 Goes with the territory. 447 00:20:14,539 --> 00:20:15,931 At least in Florida. 448 00:20:15,956 --> 00:20:17,392 Now, Ms. Lawson, 449 00:20:17,417 --> 00:20:20,202 after Mrs. Cooper passed away 450 00:20:20,227 --> 00:20:23,230 and during the time Sarah was living with her father, 451 00:20:23,771 --> 00:20:25,773 were you aware of any children 452 00:20:25,817 --> 00:20:30,337 in the state of Florida that died as a result of abuse 453 00:20:30,362 --> 00:20:32,843 while being actively monitored by your agency? 454 00:20:34,049 --> 00:20:36,574 Sadly, I'm sure some did. 455 00:20:36,599 --> 00:20:38,471 I couldn't give you a number. 456 00:20:38,597 --> 00:20:40,338 We are talking about 12 years ago. 457 00:20:40,748 --> 00:20:42,141 Indeed. 458 00:20:42,398 --> 00:20:45,750 Would it surprise you to learn that 12 years ago, 459 00:20:45,793 --> 00:20:48,481 that number was actually 79? 460 00:20:51,132 --> 00:20:54,570 79 children died 461 00:20:54,933 --> 00:20:58,415 as a result of abuse while being actively monitored 462 00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:01,218 by Florida Child Service investigators. 463 00:21:01,243 --> 00:21:02,578 Now, 464 00:21:02,866 --> 00:21:05,246 how long do you think the defendant should have waited? 465 00:21:05,271 --> 00:21:07,249 Objection. Calls for speculation. 466 00:21:07,274 --> 00:21:10,252 How long should the defendant have waited 467 00:21:10,601 --> 00:21:13,908 before her sister's child was number 80? 468 00:21:17,191 --> 00:21:18,715 Mr. Colón. 469 00:21:18,740 --> 00:21:20,307 You are out of order. 470 00:21:20,450 --> 00:21:22,656 Now the jury will ignore that last question. 471 00:21:22,915 --> 00:21:24,569 I apologize, Your Honor. 472 00:21:24,594 --> 00:21:28,064 Actually, I have no further questions at this time. 473 00:21:28,089 --> 00:21:29,264 Does the prosecution have 474 00:21:29,289 --> 00:21:31,248 any further questions for this witness? 475 00:21:31,492 --> 00:21:33,364 Not at this time, Your Honor. 476 00:21:33,767 --> 00:21:35,194 Then the witness is excused. 477 00:21:37,235 --> 00:21:39,629 Please call your next witness. 478 00:21:41,462 --> 00:21:45,145 The prosecution would like to call Sarah Cooper to the stand. 479 00:22:04,083 --> 00:22:06,525 What was it like to find out 480 00:22:06,569 --> 00:22:08,552 your name wasn't your name, 481 00:22:08,577 --> 00:22:10,709 your mother wasn't your mother? 482 00:22:11,188 --> 00:22:12,755 It's hard to describe. 483 00:22:13,649 --> 00:22:16,216 Were you surprised to learn that your biological father 484 00:22:16,259 --> 00:22:18,268 was alive, after being told 485 00:22:18,311 --> 00:22:21,764 for so many years that he had died in Afghanistan? 486 00:22:22,675 --> 00:22:23,763 Of course. 487 00:22:23,807 --> 00:22:24,982 And what were you thinking, 488 00:22:25,025 --> 00:22:28,080 when you sat here in this courtroom 489 00:22:28,187 --> 00:22:30,755 two days ago and watched him, 490 00:22:30,912 --> 00:22:32,217 very much alive, 491 00:22:32,242 --> 00:22:35,337 testify about how much he loved you and missed you? 492 00:22:36,602 --> 00:22:38,549 Just that I wanted to talk to him. 493 00:22:40,182 --> 00:22:41,792 Get to know him a little bit. 494 00:22:42,856 --> 00:22:44,423 Now, 495 00:22:44,654 --> 00:22:46,724 let's talk about your aunt. 496 00:22:47,826 --> 00:22:50,829 After years of telling you that she was your mother, 497 00:22:51,166 --> 00:22:53,147 that your father had died overseas, 498 00:22:53,172 --> 00:22:55,218 what did she tell you about your father 499 00:22:55,243 --> 00:22:58,421 once she admitted that he was, in fact, alive? 500 00:22:58,836 --> 00:23:00,142 What did she offer as an excuse 501 00:23:00,167 --> 00:23:03,214 for taking you from him? 502 00:23:03,629 --> 00:23:05,284 For keeping you from him? 503 00:23:06,034 --> 00:23:08,688 She said that he hurt my real mother. 504 00:23:11,569 --> 00:23:13,527 She said that he hurt me. 505 00:23:14,118 --> 00:23:15,419 He broke my arm. 506 00:23:15,579 --> 00:23:16,797 Did you believe her? 507 00:23:16,822 --> 00:23:19,172 Objection. Calls for speculation. 508 00:23:19,197 --> 00:23:21,373 The attorney is badgering the witness. 509 00:23:21,398 --> 00:23:23,344 And I question the relevance 510 00:23:23,369 --> 00:23:24,806 of this whole line of questioning. 511 00:23:24,831 --> 00:23:26,703 I'll withdraw the question, Your Honor. 512 00:23:26,728 --> 00:23:28,730 But if I may just ask one more thing. 513 00:23:30,138 --> 00:23:31,443 Sarah, 514 00:23:31,468 --> 00:23:33,426 are you open to the possibility 515 00:23:33,451 --> 00:23:35,322 of a relationship with your father 516 00:23:35,618 --> 00:23:37,315 now that you know that he is alive? 517 00:23:38,577 --> 00:23:39,902 I guess so. 518 00:23:41,580 --> 00:23:43,539 He seems nice. 519 00:23:43,582 --> 00:23:44,948 And I'd... 520 00:23:44,973 --> 00:23:47,541 kinda like to know what it's like to have a father. 521 00:23:50,037 --> 00:23:52,331 No further questions, Your Honor. 522 00:23:55,834 --> 00:23:57,683 Chloe... 523 00:23:58,462 --> 00:24:00,378 Is it okay if I call you Chloe? 524 00:24:00,923 --> 00:24:03,163 Would you rather I address you as Sarah? 525 00:24:03,546 --> 00:24:04,855 Chloe's okay. 526 00:24:05,094 --> 00:24:06,605 I'm kinda used to Chloe. 527 00:24:06,649 --> 00:24:08,041 Chloe it is. 528 00:24:08,972 --> 00:24:12,076 Now, why do you think 529 00:24:12,120 --> 00:24:14,961 your mother made you believe your father was a war hero? 530 00:24:15,005 --> 00:24:16,196 I don't know. 531 00:24:16,239 --> 00:24:19,471 I guess so I'd respect him, feel good about him. 532 00:24:19,515 --> 00:24:21,025 And did she ever... 533 00:24:21,069 --> 00:24:23,113 say anything negative about him 534 00:24:23,605 --> 00:24:26,159 prior to the police charging her with kidnapping? 535 00:24:26,203 --> 00:24:28,161 No. Never. 536 00:24:28,534 --> 00:24:29,989 Actually, she always talked about him 537 00:24:30,033 --> 00:24:32,035 like he was pretty amazing. 538 00:24:32,078 --> 00:24:35,399 And would you say you've been well-cared-for 539 00:24:35,442 --> 00:24:37,475 these past 12 years? 540 00:24:38,085 --> 00:24:40,130 Well-clothed? Well-fed? 541 00:24:40,462 --> 00:24:41,958 Did you feel loved? 542 00:24:42,001 --> 00:24:43,596 I did. Yes. 543 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,876 And didn't your mother put you in private school? 544 00:24:47,261 --> 00:24:49,966 Encourage you to learn the violin? 545 00:24:50,009 --> 00:24:52,055 Teach you Spanish and French? 546 00:24:52,098 --> 00:24:53,491 You mean my aunt? 547 00:24:54,435 --> 00:24:57,147 Yes, she's been a wonderful parent to me. 548 00:24:57,190 --> 00:24:59,671 And you're old enough to understand that... 549 00:25:00,718 --> 00:25:04,288 Private school, tutors, music lessons... 550 00:25:04,331 --> 00:25:06,069 all of that costs money. 551 00:25:06,530 --> 00:25:08,506 And who was it that was paying for it? 552 00:25:08,866 --> 00:25:10,073 My aunt. 553 00:25:10,116 --> 00:25:11,639 And, lastly, 554 00:25:11,683 --> 00:25:15,905 have you ever known your aunt to be violent or aggressive? 555 00:25:15,948 --> 00:25:16,906 No. 556 00:25:17,291 --> 00:25:18,429 Did she ever hit you? 557 00:25:18,472 --> 00:25:19,778 No. 558 00:25:19,822 --> 00:25:21,381 - She ever curse at you? - No. 559 00:25:21,424 --> 00:25:23,086 Raise her voice? 560 00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:26,350 Once or twice. But I probably deserved it. 561 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,788 Do you think she loves you? 562 00:25:30,387 --> 00:25:31,877 Uh, yes. 563 00:25:31,921 --> 00:25:34,140 I know she does. 564 00:25:34,641 --> 00:25:36,099 Thank you. 565 00:25:36,268 --> 00:25:38,227 No further questions, Your Honor. 566 00:25:41,844 --> 00:25:43,280 Give me a burp. 567 00:25:43,323 --> 00:25:45,282 I can't put you down till I get a burp. 568 00:25:48,322 --> 00:25:49,615 Hey. 569 00:25:50,616 --> 00:25:52,376 That was the wrong end. 570 00:25:53,594 --> 00:25:55,118 Come on. 571 00:25:55,161 --> 00:25:57,598 I need a burp. Here we go. 572 00:25:57,915 --> 00:25:59,625 That's a girl. 573 00:26:00,667 --> 00:26:02,516 Give me a burp. 574 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,562 I... 575 00:26:09,785 --> 00:26:11,221 Hello, Marissa. 576 00:26:11,264 --> 00:26:13,266 Am I catching you at a bad time? 577 00:26:13,310 --> 00:26:16,095 No, I'm just trying to wrap up the 10:00 p.m. feeding here 578 00:26:16,139 --> 00:26:17,618 in Astrid-land. 579 00:26:17,662 --> 00:26:19,011 Intake went well. 580 00:26:19,055 --> 00:26:21,100 We're just working on some outbound action. 581 00:26:21,144 --> 00:26:22,169 What's up? 582 00:26:22,213 --> 00:26:24,016 Danny just called from Florida. 583 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,018 She's found two people that seem to corroborate 584 00:26:26,062 --> 00:26:27,715 Elena's story about Jim. 585 00:26:28,153 --> 00:26:29,500 One is a teacher 586 00:26:29,543 --> 00:26:31,676 at a preschool that Jim's two-year-old attended. 587 00:26:31,719 --> 00:26:35,071 That is until she asked questions about bruises 588 00:26:35,114 --> 00:26:38,117 the little boy started showing up to school with. 589 00:26:38,161 --> 00:26:39,521 And she also found 590 00:26:39,570 --> 00:26:41,729 a dermatologist his new wife was seeing. 591 00:26:41,773 --> 00:26:43,906 Apparently, she has something to say as well. 592 00:26:43,949 --> 00:26:47,170 Both are willing to fly up to testify. 593 00:26:47,213 --> 00:26:48,780 Well, why don't you e-mail me 594 00:26:48,824 --> 00:26:50,173 all the pertinent details, 595 00:26:50,216 --> 00:26:51,783 and Benny and I will add 'em to the witness list 596 00:26:51,827 --> 00:26:53,176 tomorrow morning. 597 00:26:53,219 --> 00:26:55,638 Did Danny find the wife yet? 598 00:26:55,681 --> 00:26:57,354 She thinks she might be away on business, 599 00:26:57,397 --> 00:26:59,008 - but she's still looking. - Okay. 600 00:26:59,643 --> 00:27:01,706 Ooh, I felt that. 601 00:27:01,749 --> 00:27:03,230 I got to go. 602 00:27:03,969 --> 00:27:05,928 Your Honor, these new witnesses 603 00:27:05,971 --> 00:27:07,103 aren't witnesses. 604 00:27:07,146 --> 00:27:08,315 Excuse me, 605 00:27:08,358 --> 00:27:10,106 but the prosecution has rested. 606 00:27:10,149 --> 00:27:12,369 It is now time for the defense 607 00:27:12,412 --> 00:27:14,458 to present ourdefense, 608 00:27:14,501 --> 00:27:16,677 which is what we're trying to do right now, Your Honor. 609 00:27:16,721 --> 00:27:19,363 Your Honor, not only have we had no time to prepare... 610 00:27:19,407 --> 00:27:21,074 Oh, take all the time you need. 611 00:27:21,117 --> 00:27:22,813 Your Honor... 612 00:27:23,336 --> 00:27:25,034 The charges before the court 613 00:27:25,077 --> 00:27:27,166 - are extremely serious... - Which is why 614 00:27:27,210 --> 00:27:30,343 these witnesses are so important, Your Honor. 615 00:27:30,387 --> 00:27:34,260 They directly contradict Jim Cooper's testimony. 616 00:27:34,304 --> 00:27:35,566 He said under oath 617 00:27:35,609 --> 00:27:38,177 that he has never physically abused anyone. 618 00:27:38,221 --> 00:27:40,049 Well, we have records 619 00:27:40,092 --> 00:27:42,334 from Jim Cooper's two-year-old son's 620 00:27:42,377 --> 00:27:44,401 former preschool teacher, 621 00:27:44,444 --> 00:27:46,751 who noticed fresh bruises on the boy. 622 00:27:46,794 --> 00:27:49,319 And when she confronted him about the bruises, 623 00:27:49,362 --> 00:27:52,235 the teacher said that he abruptly pulled the kid 624 00:27:52,278 --> 00:27:53,279 from the school. 625 00:27:53,323 --> 00:27:54,280 In other words, 626 00:27:54,324 --> 00:27:55,877 she witnessed nothing. 627 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,327 And, secondly, 628 00:27:57,370 --> 00:28:00,504 the current Mrs. Cooper's dermatologist 629 00:28:00,547 --> 00:28:03,855 treated her for a burn on her forearm, 630 00:28:03,899 --> 00:28:06,075 which she suspected was from a cigarette, 631 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:07,594 less than four weeks ago. 632 00:28:07,637 --> 00:28:09,382 Again, this is circumstantial evidence 633 00:28:09,426 --> 00:28:11,950 and is irrelevant to the kidnapping charges. 634 00:28:15,301 --> 00:28:18,304 AUSA Knight makes a valid point. 635 00:28:18,329 --> 00:28:21,026 The real question is 636 00:28:21,070 --> 00:28:22,656 did the witnesses actually see 637 00:28:22,700 --> 00:28:24,512 Mr. Cooper inflict these injuries. 638 00:28:24,556 --> 00:28:26,530 Judge Hopkins, we all know it's unlikely 639 00:28:26,573 --> 00:28:29,098 that Mr. Cooper would beat his two-year-old son 640 00:28:29,141 --> 00:28:30,534 in front of a crowd of onlookers 641 00:28:30,577 --> 00:28:32,101 or burn his wife in public. 642 00:28:32,144 --> 00:28:33,628 Your Honor, 643 00:28:33,653 --> 00:28:36,308 the jury should be allowed to hear the testimony, 644 00:28:36,757 --> 00:28:39,581 review the documents, draw their own inferences. 645 00:28:39,624 --> 00:28:41,110 No, no, no, no, no, no. I'm-I'm sorry. 646 00:28:41,153 --> 00:28:42,328 I don't agree. 647 00:28:42,372 --> 00:28:44,011 Mr. Cooper is not 648 00:28:44,036 --> 00:28:45,399 on trial here. 649 00:28:45,462 --> 00:28:47,203 And the probative value 650 00:28:47,246 --> 00:28:51,120 of what sounds like speculation and-and hearsay 651 00:28:51,163 --> 00:28:54,253 is outweighed by the prejudicial effect it's certain to have. 652 00:28:54,297 --> 00:28:55,646 And none of it is relevant 653 00:28:55,689 --> 00:28:58,823 as to whether or not your client kidnapped his child, 654 00:28:58,848 --> 00:29:02,330 which is the only issue the jury is here to resolve. 655 00:29:02,392 --> 00:29:05,221 Now, I have to agree with prosecution. 656 00:29:05,769 --> 00:29:07,223 Unless these people 657 00:29:07,248 --> 00:29:09,903 actually witnessed Mr. Cooper hurt someone, 658 00:29:09,928 --> 00:29:11,650 their testimony is irrelevant. 659 00:29:12,326 --> 00:29:14,546 Do you have any other witnesses you want to present? 660 00:29:15,057 --> 00:29:16,319 With Your Honor's permission, 661 00:29:16,362 --> 00:29:18,490 we would like to ask for a one-day continuance. 662 00:29:19,282 --> 00:29:22,035 I'd love to confer with my client on next steps. 663 00:29:23,328 --> 00:29:24,913 It's like I told you. 664 00:29:25,632 --> 00:29:28,113 Bottom line is she did it. 665 00:29:28,157 --> 00:29:30,724 She took this man's child. 666 00:29:31,128 --> 00:29:32,509 Kind of impossible 667 00:29:32,552 --> 00:29:35,207 to mount a defense against something that's indisputable. 668 00:29:42,258 --> 00:29:45,000 I just heard. No court today. 669 00:29:45,043 --> 00:29:47,654 They want me to change, take me back to prison. 670 00:29:47,698 --> 00:29:49,396 Is everything all right? 671 00:29:50,788 --> 00:29:52,181 We need to talk. 672 00:29:52,566 --> 00:29:54,009 We can 673 00:29:54,052 --> 00:29:55,140 press forward. 674 00:29:55,184 --> 00:29:56,881 Mr. Colón could put you on the stand. 675 00:29:57,237 --> 00:29:59,362 You're really the only witness we have. 676 00:29:59,405 --> 00:30:01,016 Unfortunately, 677 00:30:01,450 --> 00:30:03,279 you're not the witness we need. 678 00:30:04,323 --> 00:30:05,716 What do you mean? 679 00:30:05,759 --> 00:30:07,022 We need someone 680 00:30:07,047 --> 00:30:08,657 who can tell the jury under oath 681 00:30:08,682 --> 00:30:12,338 that they've actually seen Mr. Cooper be physically abusive. 682 00:30:13,003 --> 00:30:15,204 Preferably multiple times. 683 00:30:15,247 --> 00:30:16,466 It's the only thing 684 00:30:16,509 --> 00:30:19,382 that's gonna make the jury second-guess 685 00:30:19,425 --> 00:30:20,865 the A.D.A.'s assertion 686 00:30:20,890 --> 00:30:22,801 that you're nothing more than a kidnapper. 687 00:30:22,863 --> 00:30:25,083 With your permission, what I'd like to do 688 00:30:25,108 --> 00:30:28,154 is go to the A.D.A. and see if we can't broker 689 00:30:28,179 --> 00:30:29,397 some kind of a deal. 690 00:30:29,479 --> 00:30:31,307 She's not a stupid person. 691 00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:33,744 She knows that this hearsay 692 00:30:33,787 --> 00:30:35,888 and circumstantial evidence may not hold up in court, 693 00:30:35,913 --> 00:30:39,427 but I'm willing to bet she knows there's a whiff of truth to it. 694 00:30:39,988 --> 00:30:41,621 Maybe we can use that 695 00:30:41,665 --> 00:30:44,798 to wrestle some favorable terms from her. 696 00:30:45,619 --> 00:30:47,540 Would I still have to go to prison? 697 00:30:48,585 --> 00:30:49,873 Yes. 698 00:30:50,669 --> 00:30:53,411 I'm hoping we can keep it to less than five years, 699 00:30:53,436 --> 00:30:55,874 as opposed to the ten to 20 you're looking at now. 700 00:30:57,263 --> 00:30:59,174 Oh, my God. 701 00:31:02,294 --> 00:31:04,296 What about Chloe? 702 00:31:05,341 --> 00:31:07,908 She'd be returned back to her father. 703 00:31:11,042 --> 00:31:12,646 She's 15. 704 00:31:12,671 --> 00:31:14,080 If he starts abusing her, 705 00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:16,228 it will not stay secret long. 706 00:31:16,312 --> 00:31:17,791 And for what it's worth, 707 00:31:17,962 --> 00:31:21,096 your ex-brother-in-law is on notice. 708 00:31:21,139 --> 00:31:23,698 He knows we're all watching. 709 00:31:24,636 --> 00:31:27,035 And would I ever get to see her again? 710 00:31:28,407 --> 00:31:30,497 Do I get to see Chloe? 711 00:31:33,083 --> 00:31:35,893 You'd be a convicted kidnapper, so... 712 00:31:35,936 --> 00:31:38,796 no, I don't think that's at all likely. 713 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,522 Mrs. Cooper? 714 00:31:56,434 --> 00:31:58,697 My name is Danny James. I'm an investigator 715 00:31:58,741 --> 00:32:01,309 working on a court case involving your husband 716 00:32:01,352 --> 00:32:04,225 and his daughter from a previous marriage. 717 00:32:04,823 --> 00:32:07,054 I'm... kind of on vacation with my son. 718 00:32:07,097 --> 00:32:09,186 I don't really want to get involved. 719 00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:11,232 I promise, it'll be two minutes. 720 00:32:13,875 --> 00:32:16,225 Mrs. Cooper, don't make me get a subpoena. 721 00:32:23,548 --> 00:32:26,159 Can we make this fast? 722 00:32:26,553 --> 00:32:30,120 I-I promised my little boy I would take him to a water park. 723 00:32:30,163 --> 00:32:31,730 Sure. And I'm sorry. 724 00:32:31,774 --> 00:32:34,733 Uh, look, we have reason to believe that your husband 725 00:32:34,777 --> 00:32:37,127 may have been physically abusive to your little boy. 726 00:32:37,564 --> 00:32:39,521 And to you. 727 00:32:39,564 --> 00:32:41,087 Seriously? 728 00:32:41,443 --> 00:32:43,307 That's what you want to talk to me about? 729 00:32:43,737 --> 00:32:45,309 Where did you hear that? 730 00:32:45,353 --> 00:32:47,268 That's crazy. 731 00:32:48,051 --> 00:32:49,618 Are you married? 732 00:32:49,951 --> 00:32:51,141 You ever been married? 733 00:32:51,578 --> 00:32:53,833 - No. - Well, I've only been at it 734 00:32:53,877 --> 00:32:56,146 for a few years, but let me tell you two things 735 00:32:56,189 --> 00:32:57,887 I know for sure. 736 00:32:57,930 --> 00:33:00,411 One, marriage, 737 00:33:00,455 --> 00:33:04,328 like any deal, is filled with lots of good 738 00:33:04,372 --> 00:33:06,417 and also some bad. 739 00:33:06,461 --> 00:33:08,094 My boy. 740 00:33:08,155 --> 00:33:09,504 I love my boy. 741 00:33:10,055 --> 00:33:11,857 And that's one of the goods, one of the greats. 742 00:33:12,557 --> 00:33:14,338 And I don't worry much about... 743 00:33:14,642 --> 00:33:17,776 bills anymore, and you can't hate that, so... 744 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:19,887 if my husband comes home sometimes 745 00:33:19,930 --> 00:33:22,520 - and he's not in a stellar mood, then... - I'm not just talking 746 00:33:22,564 --> 00:33:24,711 about someone in a bad mood, Mrs. Cooper. 747 00:33:24,736 --> 00:33:27,351 And the other thing... and you ought to know this... 748 00:33:27,395 --> 00:33:30,833 uh, you can't force me to testify against my own husband. 749 00:33:31,736 --> 00:33:33,173 You can't. 750 00:33:34,576 --> 00:33:36,998 Plus, I don't have anything to testify to. 751 00:33:37,579 --> 00:33:40,233 So are we done here? 752 00:33:40,277 --> 00:33:42,712 I can help you. I can help both of you. 753 00:33:44,018 --> 00:33:45,410 By how? 754 00:33:45,687 --> 00:33:48,211 By-by destroying my family? 755 00:33:48,802 --> 00:33:50,635 And anyway, like I said... 756 00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,160 isn't what happens between a husband and a wife private? 757 00:33:54,204 --> 00:33:57,642 Conversations between spouses are privileged, but... 758 00:33:57,686 --> 00:34:00,730 not when there are allegations of abuse. 759 00:34:00,783 --> 00:34:02,524 Okay, I think you need to go now. 760 00:34:02,549 --> 00:34:04,334 You wouldn't have to look at him in court. 761 00:34:04,359 --> 00:34:06,444 We could have him sequestered. 762 00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:09,173 And after the trial, my boss and I, 763 00:34:09,198 --> 00:34:11,908 we would help you and your little son back on your feet. 764 00:34:12,222 --> 00:34:14,137 And in a safe place, I promise. 765 00:34:14,180 --> 00:34:16,269 That is... 766 00:34:16,313 --> 00:34:18,359 If you're willing to testify. 767 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:20,709 That is... 768 00:34:20,752 --> 00:34:22,580 if you're willing to admit 769 00:34:22,877 --> 00:34:25,213 you actually have something to testify to. 770 00:34:27,455 --> 00:34:29,152 Mommy? 771 00:34:29,195 --> 00:34:30,802 Oh. 772 00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:32,808 Noah. 773 00:34:33,852 --> 00:34:36,333 Say hello to the nice lady. 774 00:34:49,564 --> 00:34:51,239 Let me call my mother. 775 00:34:52,282 --> 00:34:54,351 See if she can take my baby. 776 00:34:56,135 --> 00:34:58,094 Mrs. Cooper, 777 00:34:58,137 --> 00:35:01,445 I know it's uncomfortable you being here. 778 00:35:01,489 --> 00:35:05,144 We've sequestered your husband as per your request, 779 00:35:05,188 --> 00:35:07,408 and, speaking for the defense, 780 00:35:07,451 --> 00:35:09,410 we really appreciate you making the trip. 781 00:35:09,883 --> 00:35:12,064 - It's okay. - Now, 782 00:35:12,108 --> 00:35:16,199 when your husband told you he needed to come to New York 783 00:35:16,242 --> 00:35:17,853 for a court date, 784 00:35:17,896 --> 00:35:20,290 did he explain the nature of the trial? 785 00:35:20,769 --> 00:35:22,466 Uh, no, not really. 786 00:35:22,771 --> 00:35:25,469 He said it was a business thing. 787 00:35:25,732 --> 00:35:28,341 So you and your two-year-old son 788 00:35:28,385 --> 00:35:30,735 just decided to take a little road trip? 789 00:35:31,154 --> 00:35:32,563 Yes. 790 00:35:32,607 --> 00:35:34,157 I just... 791 00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:37,535 with Jim away... 792 00:35:38,351 --> 00:35:40,484 I just needed to do some thinking. 793 00:35:40,528 --> 00:35:41,703 Well... 794 00:35:42,165 --> 00:35:44,626 I'm sorry to have interrupted your trip. 795 00:35:45,446 --> 00:35:47,665 So let me get right into it. 796 00:35:49,188 --> 00:35:50,668 Here goes nothing. 797 00:35:50,712 --> 00:35:52,103 Mrs. Cooper, 798 00:35:52,147 --> 00:35:55,412 have you ever been afraid of your husband? 799 00:35:55,456 --> 00:35:56,679 Yes. 800 00:35:57,059 --> 00:36:00,058 And can you please explain to the jury why? 801 00:36:00,793 --> 00:36:03,645 Uh, he yells at me sometimes. 802 00:36:04,682 --> 00:36:06,771 Like when our two-year-old cries. 803 00:36:07,524 --> 00:36:10,527 And he'll, uh, slam doors... 804 00:36:11,123 --> 00:36:14,387 break things when something upsets him. 805 00:36:14,431 --> 00:36:15,551 And in the past, 806 00:36:15,594 --> 00:36:18,409 when something upset him, has he ever gotten physical 807 00:36:18,453 --> 00:36:20,286 with you or Noah? 808 00:36:23,035 --> 00:36:24,994 This was from a week ago. 809 00:36:32,382 --> 00:36:35,757 Let the record reflect that the witness is talking 810 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,804 about the bruising and swelling on the right side of her face. 811 00:36:40,824 --> 00:36:44,727 And can you please explain the events surrounding the injury? 812 00:36:45,436 --> 00:36:47,897 I told Jim I wanted to go back to school, 813 00:36:49,074 --> 00:36:52,513 and he started screaming about who would care for Noah. 814 00:36:52,556 --> 00:36:54,558 And then what happened? 815 00:36:54,602 --> 00:36:58,040 I-I told him... that we would figure it out. 816 00:36:58,083 --> 00:36:59,784 A lot of people figure it out. 817 00:37:00,123 --> 00:37:02,168 - And how did he respond? - He... 818 00:37:02,479 --> 00:37:04,998 balled up his fist and... 819 00:37:07,745 --> 00:37:09,312 I lost two teeth. 820 00:37:14,709 --> 00:37:17,973 Now, let's talk about your two-year-old son. 821 00:37:18,016 --> 00:37:21,498 He has his arm in a sling, doesn't he? 822 00:37:21,542 --> 00:37:23,169 He does. 823 00:37:23,212 --> 00:37:24,327 And... 824 00:37:24,370 --> 00:37:26,024 do you know what happened to him? 825 00:37:26,068 --> 00:37:28,592 Yes, and no. 826 00:37:28,636 --> 00:37:31,377 I had to work on a Saturday, 827 00:37:31,421 --> 00:37:33,568 and Jim stayed home with him. 828 00:37:33,945 --> 00:37:35,737 He wasn't happy about it. 829 00:37:37,209 --> 00:37:39,516 And when I got home eight hours later, 830 00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,127 they had already been to the emergency room and back. 831 00:37:43,433 --> 00:37:47,132 Apparently, Noah's arm got pulled out of its socket. 832 00:37:50,005 --> 00:37:52,616 Jim said they were just horsing around. 833 00:37:57,401 --> 00:37:58,359 What did Noah say? 834 00:37:58,384 --> 00:37:59,516 Objection. Hearsay. 835 00:37:59,541 --> 00:38:00,890 Your Honor, 836 00:38:01,124 --> 00:38:02,734 the child is two years old. 837 00:38:03,192 --> 00:38:05,476 Would you really have me call him here 838 00:38:05,501 --> 00:38:08,439 - to testify? - I'll allow it. 839 00:38:09,286 --> 00:38:11,461 Witness will answer the question. 840 00:38:11,504 --> 00:38:13,419 No, he-he didn't really say anything. 841 00:38:13,463 --> 00:38:16,466 He's only two, and he's very shy. 842 00:38:18,337 --> 00:38:20,296 But every time Jim comes near him, 843 00:38:20,339 --> 00:38:21,926 - he hides behind my leg. - Objection. 844 00:38:21,969 --> 00:38:24,474 Your Honor, this is simply speculation. 845 00:38:24,517 --> 00:38:25,727 It proves nothing. 846 00:38:25,771 --> 00:38:28,308 Objection sustained. The jury will disregard 847 00:38:28,351 --> 00:38:31,768 the witness's testimony with respect to her two-year-old child. 848 00:38:32,395 --> 00:38:34,742 Isn't it true your son had a... 849 00:38:34,786 --> 00:38:37,966 preschool teacher that expressed concern 850 00:38:38,009 --> 00:38:40,882 about visible bruising on the boy's body 851 00:38:41,335 --> 00:38:43,228 and brought it to your husband's attention, 852 00:38:43,272 --> 00:38:46,741 who responded by withdrawing your child from the school? 853 00:38:46,766 --> 00:38:48,768 - Way to slip one in, Benny. - Your Honor, 854 00:38:48,793 --> 00:38:51,162 objection. This is just more hearsay 855 00:38:51,187 --> 00:38:52,918 masquerading as testimony. 856 00:38:52,943 --> 00:38:55,172 Objection sustained. Counselor, 857 00:38:55,461 --> 00:38:57,110 I know what you're doing. 858 00:38:57,135 --> 00:38:58,495 I don't like it. 859 00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:00,304 Now, I need you to ask questions 860 00:39:00,329 --> 00:39:02,113 that pertain only to events 861 00:39:02,138 --> 00:39:03,705 that the witness would have seen for herself. 862 00:39:03,928 --> 00:39:05,495 Yes, Your Honor. 863 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:06,999 Come on. 864 00:39:07,024 --> 00:39:09,287 They got to be reacting to this. 865 00:39:09,312 --> 00:39:12,709 Indeed they are. You just flipped two. 866 00:39:16,312 --> 00:39:17,797 Mrs. Cooper... 867 00:39:19,660 --> 00:39:22,379 were there any other incidents of physical violence 868 00:39:22,404 --> 00:39:25,929 that either involved you or to which... 869 00:39:25,954 --> 00:39:27,652 you were a direct witness? 870 00:39:27,818 --> 00:39:29,308 He, uh... 871 00:39:30,758 --> 00:39:32,854 burned me. 872 00:39:34,012 --> 00:39:36,362 Here and here. 873 00:39:37,414 --> 00:39:38,676 With cigarettes. 874 00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:40,611 He... 875 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:43,030 bit my ear. 876 00:39:43,901 --> 00:39:45,616 I had to get stitches. 877 00:39:46,784 --> 00:39:48,340 Anything else? 878 00:39:49,385 --> 00:39:51,692 He kicked me once. 879 00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:54,083 Kicked you where, Mrs. Cooper? 880 00:39:55,478 --> 00:39:57,741 Between my legs. 881 00:40:00,173 --> 00:40:04,110 And you were able to document each of these incidents? 882 00:40:05,053 --> 00:40:06,445 In each case, 883 00:40:06,489 --> 00:40:08,796 you went and sought medical attention afterwards? 884 00:40:08,839 --> 00:40:10,449 Yes. 885 00:40:10,493 --> 00:40:12,582 Although, I always made up a story 886 00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,854 as to how I got the injury. 887 00:40:15,541 --> 00:40:16,814 Thank you. 888 00:40:17,488 --> 00:40:19,447 No further questions, Your Honor. 889 00:40:25,366 --> 00:40:28,282 So, you admit you lied about the details 890 00:40:28,307 --> 00:40:31,049 when you sought medical help for these... 891 00:40:31,074 --> 00:40:32,989 so-called injuries? 892 00:40:33,176 --> 00:40:35,333 Yes. I was embarrassed. 893 00:40:35,485 --> 00:40:37,531 So tell me, Mrs. Cooper, 894 00:40:37,556 --> 00:40:40,603 now that we've established that you're an admitted liar, 895 00:40:40,871 --> 00:40:44,258 why should we believe anything else you say? 896 00:40:44,570 --> 00:40:45,818 For instance, 897 00:40:45,843 --> 00:40:48,846 how do we know these injures aren't self-inflicted? 898 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,314 Well, I... 899 00:40:51,339 --> 00:40:53,864 I wouldn't burn my own arm... 900 00:40:54,125 --> 00:40:55,186 ma'am. 901 00:40:56,234 --> 00:40:59,150 And I'm not even sure how I would bite my own ear. 902 00:40:59,194 --> 00:41:01,526 Not to mention kick myself... 903 00:41:02,521 --> 00:41:04,320 where I indicated. 904 00:41:22,086 --> 00:41:24,175 Wait, where is Mr. Colón? 905 00:41:24,219 --> 00:41:25,786 Well, he stayed behind 906 00:41:25,829 --> 00:41:27,697 to talk to your ex-brother-in-law's new wife. 907 00:41:27,722 --> 00:41:29,988 She wanted to file charges against him, 908 00:41:30,013 --> 00:41:31,781 and Benny's offered to put her in touch 909 00:41:31,806 --> 00:41:33,808 with the D.A. in Florida. 910 00:41:37,584 --> 00:41:39,499 How do I do this? 911 00:41:39,524 --> 00:41:40,731 Where do I start? 912 00:41:40,756 --> 00:41:44,162 Am I Elena, or do I go back to being Angela? 913 00:41:44,543 --> 00:41:47,546 What do people call me? What do I call myself? 914 00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,346 Mom! 65569

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