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DOUG MATTHEWS:
We didn't know how
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the McDonald's Monopoly game
was fixed.
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So, inside the wire room,
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people'd sit in there,
getting ready to listen.
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And nothing happens.
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♪ (UPBEAT MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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The FBI, we start coming up
with how do we get past winners
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to recount how
they allegedly won these pieces.
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Locking them into a story
on camera,
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takes a B-minus case
and makes it a A-plus case.
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For a while, the question was,
"Who is Uncle Jerry?"
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We were looking
into Jerry Jacobson.
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We thought this may be
the main guy.
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But there was always
this inference that Uncle Jerry
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somehow connected
to organized crime.
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We found out that there was
another Jerry involved,
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named Jerry Colombo.
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My husband. He was part
of the Colombo crime family.
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My Jerry and Jerry Jacobson
became partners
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on the Monopoly thing.
My husband picked the winners.
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INTERVIEWER:
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"Uncle Jerry"
is Jerome Jacobson.
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My husband. He got a lot
of my family members involved.
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And that isn't all.
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That was just a little piece
of the pie.
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[bright tone]
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- Whiskey.
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Where's Oliver?
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[cat meows]
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Oliver, come on!
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I helped pick the winners.
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I gave some tickets
to some friends of mine
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and family members
who needed it.
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I wanted them happy, so...
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I gave 'em things.
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I was gonna get
the $1 million,
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but I gave it to my father.
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And, um...
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Maybe if certain things
never happened...
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This Monopoly thing
would still be going on today.
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It's true.
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[dramatic music]
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♪ ♪
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- With Shamrock Productions
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and the "Reunion of Winners,"
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I think some of them
are pretty legendary,
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in terms of
what was captured on film.
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- Like Buddy Fisher
and Mr. Hoover,
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Gloria Brown was
an instant $1 million winner.
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She had won in South Carolina.
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- Gloria had said her address
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was in the Hilton Head
area of South Carolina,
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but she was from
Jacksonville, Florida.
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There was always something
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that I was trying
to drive out.
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I was trying to expand the BS
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that they were trying
to put out there
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because I know AUSA Devereaux
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needs a ground ball,
boy needs something easy.
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- [laughs]
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- I'm kidding,
he's good at his job.
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- It's been a decade,
but I enjoyed it.
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First time, yeah...
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- Well, I was unemployed
at that time, right in--
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- Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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- But I am a social worker.
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I just was
taking a break from...
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stress.
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I'm not doing it anymore,
thank God.
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[laughter]
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- Yeah. Yeah.
Mm-hmm, mm-hmm.
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- No, most--
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- Most of my family
is here.
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I had a friend, a personal
friend and another friend,
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a couple of friends
there that--
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basically what I was doing
was a lot of visiting,
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job searching at that time,
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so, you know,
trying to relocate.
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- One thing that struck me
was that Ms. Brown
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wasn't as open and friendly
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as Mr. Hoover was.
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She seemed to be on guard,
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whether or not she suspected
something was awry or not,
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she just...she just
wasn't as forthcoming.
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- Yeah, yeah.
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- Yes, yeah.
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- Well, in Hilton Head,
you know,
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um, during that time I was,
you know, living with a friend,
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of course, and, um,
trying to job hunt
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and right now,
I have my own agenda,
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you know, I have
my patients to care for.
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Um...I'm busy, like today
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I'm taking a trip, you know,
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and, um...
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um day-to-day--
I work seven days a week,
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basically, you know,
I'm on call all the time.
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So compared to back then,
um, and to now,
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I would say that, um...
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McDonald's have made it so that
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I can just lie without
any stress, you know?
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- Um, a little over a year,
back and forth.
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- Many of the winners were
saying they lived in one area,
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but then had a post office box
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where they would have
their winnings sent to,
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so they would
set up fake addresses.
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And so, a lot of the evidence
that I was gathering
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was around where they lived,
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exactly what store they won
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the McDonald's
Monopoly piece at.
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- So, I said,
"Gloria, do you remember
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the McDonald's where you
went to claim the prize?"
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"Absolutely."
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"This is a picture."
We took a picture of it
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and put it on this board
and she said, "Oh, my God,
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that's exactly the one,"
and I said, "You know what,
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can you autograph that for us?"
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- "Thanks a million."
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- [laughing]
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- That picture
that she signed,
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it was not in Hilton Head,
South Carolina.
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It was Jacksonville, Florida.
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- No, I sure don't.
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- The fake address
was a part of the scheme.
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And so, Rick had this
surveillance photo
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of a McDonald's
right there in Jacksonville.
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And I go, "Oh, my God,
that's perfect."
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So I take it with me.
"What are you gonna do?"
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And I said, "I'm gonna--
I'm gonna use it.
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Wait and see.
I'm gonna show you."
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And, as she's doing it, Amy,
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she's like,
"Oh, my God, that's just--
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that's not it.
That's not it."
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And I'm looking over--
it's starting to get louder,
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and I'm like, I'm looking back,
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"Do you want that here?
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I mean--they almost
can hear that."
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- Mm-hmm.
- [indistinct speech]
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- That's what I love.
[indistinct speech]
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Every time I talked to them,
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they would just lie, lie, lie.
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And it was perfect for
the FBI because it was really
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building evidence and helping
them build their case.
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But we also wanted to make sure
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that it seemed like
we were having fun.
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Because, once again,
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that's how it would be
at a real shoot.
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- Okay.
- Oh, wait--oh, there's--
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- Uh, Doug brought
a lot of that energy.
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- Up there?
Okay.
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- Okay.
[laughter]
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- Okay.
Okay.
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- Okay.
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- That's typical Mathews.
That's what he would do.
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- Thanks a million, McDonald's.
[laughs]
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- Okay, look right
in the camera
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and say it right there.
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- Thanks a million,
McDonald's.
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- And it was hard sometimes
to keep a straight face,
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to be honest with you.
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It was very hard at times,
'cause the things we were
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doing with the light meter
or the camera and sitting them
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and fixing them up,
we had no idea.
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- I got my McDonald's
millions--million
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at Hilton Head
in South Carolina,
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and it made me a...
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Millionaire.
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- [laughing]
That's cute.
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- Pretty close, okay.
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- What I figured out
at an early age in the bureau
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is, you push it and then you
think it's--you keep pushing.
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You never know when
you're gonna hit a wall.
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And, of course,
I never found the bottom.
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The bottomless
tea glass, right?
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It's perfect for me.
Just keep going.
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And, of course, she did.
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- Ron and I will s--
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Ron--
Ugh.
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- Ron and I will
see you in Vegas.
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Thank you, McDonald's.
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[laughter]
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- We knew it was
such good evidence
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having Gloria sitting here,
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just making the story up.
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And doing it with this
sincerity--this fake sincerity.
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It was--it was--as
a criminal investigator,
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it was an awesome
thing to behold.
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- There were so many different
layers of the conspiracy
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that we were investigating,
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and the more
sophisticated a scheme,
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the more difficult it is
to prosecute the case.
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Now you have actual
video production
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that you can show a jury.
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That's very powerful.
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[upbeat music]
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- By this time, literally
almost the whole office now,
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or a big majority of them,
have been diverted to work on
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what we call
Operation Final Answer.
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♪ ♪
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- We worked seven days a week
on a regular basis,
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but at times it did not
feel like work.
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We had great camaraderie
between all of the agents
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that were working it,
and we knew the mission is--
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what we were
trying to accomplish
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was a noble one and a good one.
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Um, so nobody ever
complained about it.
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♪ ♪
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- Things were moving fast,
and naturally,
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we always want
to move at our pace.
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We wanna control
the timing of things,
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and we did not
have that luxury.
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The game was running.
There was clock running
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on how long we could
keep it a secret.
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Throughout this,
we were really, really
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racking up incredible evidence,
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discovering new people,
proving all different elements
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of what was going on.
And we kind of knew
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the process of
how these were placed,
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but the one thing
that was still out there
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was how is Jerry Jacobson
doing this?
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That was kind of this nagging,
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you know,
this nagging question mark.
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- What we had to vet out
here is, who--
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who was helping Jerry?
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- Hilda Bennett was
the CPA that would travel
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with Mr. Jacobson to these
various manufacturing plants.
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And we didn't know,
are they in cahoots?
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On an investigation,
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you just don't
cut somebody out.
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And so, we had to surveil
Ms. Bennett as well.
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- You want cheese?
- Yep.
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- I need to get
a large coffee
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with ten cream and five sugar.
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- Anything else?
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- Yep, another large coffee
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with ten cream and five Equal.
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- Okay.
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- That is Equal?
- Yep.
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- Awesome, thank you.
- You're welcome.
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- Have a great day.
- Thank you.
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- Oh, that's perfect.
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The one time I've seen
Uncle Jerry was up in Georgia.
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My brother went to go visit.
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I stayed in the car.
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I didn't get out of the car
because he didn't directly
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involve me 'cause he was
always trying to protect me.
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They don't want
me to get involved.
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- But giving you a little
taste at the same time.
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- I guess so, yeah, yeah.
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♪ ♪
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Uncle Jerry was
a middle-aged guy.
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Just normal, average height,
normal, average build.
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But size doesn't matter.
Like my dad always used to say
253
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and still does say,
"As long as this works,
254
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that's all I need.
One finger."
255
00:13:36,047 --> 00:13:37,214
And it's the truth.
256
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- And the family
that's backing you.
257
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- Yeah, and a family
that's backing you.
258
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That's a big thing.
259
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♪ ♪
260
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Jerome was
getting the tickets,
261
00:13:48,047 --> 00:13:50,339
but when it came to...uh..
- Dispersing.
262
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- Dispersing the tickets,
I don't think he had
263
00:13:53,130 --> 00:13:56,422
the resources to do the big
264
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$1 million hits everywhere,
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00:13:58,381 --> 00:14:00,172
so I think that's
where my brother
266
00:14:00,255 --> 00:14:02,172
took the reins of everything.
267
00:14:02,255 --> 00:14:05,130
So Uncle Jerry was getting
268
00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:07,923
the tickets
and selling them to my brother
269
00:14:08,005 --> 00:14:10,673
and then my brother would
sell them to other people
270
00:14:10,756 --> 00:14:15,589
and it was just a--literally,
it was a monopoly of scams.
271
00:14:19,005 --> 00:14:21,422
Every ticket was
a little different.
272
00:14:21,506 --> 00:14:23,214
The agreement
with Uncle Jerry
273
00:14:23,297 --> 00:14:25,506
was depending on the value
of the ticket.
274
00:14:25,589 --> 00:14:27,673
The $1 million tickets
were going for 50 grand.
275
00:14:27,756 --> 00:14:30,506
Uncle Jerry would get the 50,
276
00:14:30,589 --> 00:14:34,339
and then my brother would
get half of whoever won.
277
00:14:34,422 --> 00:14:36,839
And so, if they got
the payments for 20 years
278
00:14:36,923 --> 00:14:38,422
and so forth, he'd get half,
279
00:14:38,506 --> 00:14:40,172
and then the winner
would get half.
280
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So it was a better deal
for my brother, long-term,
281
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than it was for Uncle Jerry.
282
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[light music]
283
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♪ ♪
284
00:14:53,214 --> 00:14:55,130
I really didn't
think much of it,
285
00:14:55,214 --> 00:14:58,631
'cause someone
had to win, so...
286
00:14:58,714 --> 00:15:00,589
In my brother's eyes,
it was, "Okay, well,
287
00:15:00,673 --> 00:15:03,339
"instead of Joe Shmoe winning,
I'm gonna make,
288
00:15:03,422 --> 00:15:05,464
you know, John Shmoe win."
289
00:15:05,547 --> 00:15:06,923
The money's still
gonna go somewhere,
290
00:15:07,005 --> 00:15:09,255
you know, were just
redirecting it.
291
00:15:10,506 --> 00:15:12,047
The $1 million ticket
292
00:15:12,130 --> 00:15:13,714
was supposed to be
our wedding gift.
293
00:15:13,798 --> 00:15:16,673
We were married
November 24, 1997.
294
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- 1996.
295
00:15:18,297 --> 00:15:19,714
- 1996...
296
00:15:19,798 --> 00:15:21,464
let's start that over again.
297
00:15:21,547 --> 00:15:22,756
[laughter]
298
00:15:22,839 --> 00:15:24,172
Cut that.
299
00:15:24,255 --> 00:15:25,589
Whoops, I'm getting
my ass kicked tonight.
300
00:15:25,673 --> 00:15:27,923
[laughter]
Okay.
301
00:15:28,005 --> 00:15:30,881
Um, but that was gonna
be our gift, our wedding gift.
302
00:15:30,964 --> 00:15:33,673
Free of charge.
We didn't have to buy it.
303
00:15:35,881 --> 00:15:38,589
- The McDonald's piece
was in one of the little,
304
00:15:38,673 --> 00:15:40,255
I guess you'd call them eggs,
305
00:15:40,339 --> 00:15:42,214
like your kids get toys in
at the gumball machines.
306
00:15:42,297 --> 00:15:44,673
It was in there,
in the back of the freezer,
307
00:15:44,756 --> 00:15:46,714
underneath two ice cube trays.
308
00:15:47,631 --> 00:15:49,339
I remember exactly how it sat.
309
00:15:49,422 --> 00:15:50,464
- It was just chilling.
310
00:15:50,547 --> 00:15:52,631
- It was just chilling.
311
00:15:54,297 --> 00:15:55,714
- I always looked up
to my brother.
312
00:15:55,798 --> 00:15:58,756
He was my protector,
pretty much.
313
00:15:58,839 --> 00:16:00,589
He would always come
to visit me and throw me
314
00:16:00,673 --> 00:16:03,756
a couple thousand dollars,
like it was me giving away
315
00:16:03,839 --> 00:16:05,881
a couple dollars to the kids.
316
00:16:06,005 --> 00:16:10,172
This is our son Frankie.
He dropped about $150,000
317
00:16:10,255 --> 00:16:11,964
and we just decided
to take a picture,
318
00:16:12,047 --> 00:16:13,506
we kind of--thought
it was kind of funny.
319
00:16:13,589 --> 00:16:15,422
- I was so upset
over that picture.
320
00:16:15,506 --> 00:16:16,714
Because it was such dirty money
321
00:16:16,798 --> 00:16:18,964
around such a clean,
perfect baby.
322
00:16:19,047 --> 00:16:20,381
- Ah, it was pretty crazy,
323
00:16:20,464 --> 00:16:24,172
but...with that comes a price.
324
00:16:25,881 --> 00:16:28,464
- Put it this way.
Uncle Jerry called my home
325
00:16:28,547 --> 00:16:30,964
at least three times a week
326
00:16:31,047 --> 00:16:33,339
to tell Jerry
what he had to do next.
327
00:16:33,422 --> 00:16:35,047
And he and I
would talk, you know,
328
00:16:35,130 --> 00:16:37,964
sometimes 30 minutes,
sometimes 45 minutes.
329
00:16:38,506 --> 00:16:41,464
And my husband would
meet him in Atlanta.
330
00:16:41,547 --> 00:16:44,464
[dramatic music]
331
00:16:44,547 --> 00:16:46,130
♪ ♪
332
00:16:46,214 --> 00:16:49,005
- I don't know how many
people he hooked up.
333
00:16:49,923 --> 00:16:51,881
- It was way more
than I thought it was.
334
00:16:51,964 --> 00:16:54,506
- My brother had
a lot of connections
335
00:16:54,589 --> 00:16:56,172
all over the place
'cause he had nightclubs
336
00:16:56,255 --> 00:16:58,381
and certain things
that he was doing
337
00:16:58,464 --> 00:17:00,381
that I can't really mention,
'cause I'm sure the FBI's
338
00:17:00,464 --> 00:17:02,214
gonna watch this tape someday.
[laughs]
339
00:17:02,297 --> 00:17:04,589
But there was a lot
of things that he was into.
340
00:17:04,673 --> 00:17:07,839
So my brother started,
you know, expanding
341
00:17:07,923 --> 00:17:10,756
to in-laws
and brother-in-laws
342
00:17:10,839 --> 00:17:13,172
and friends and friends
of friends and...
343
00:17:13,255 --> 00:17:16,130
and that's how he took
this little small operation
344
00:17:16,214 --> 00:17:18,047
and made it huge.
345
00:17:23,297 --> 00:17:25,422
- I was working
at the airlines
346
00:17:25,506 --> 00:17:27,005
in Jacksonville here,
347
00:17:27,089 --> 00:17:30,422
and a passenger came
through named Colombo.
348
00:17:30,506 --> 00:17:32,547
Right off the bat,
he was very personable
349
00:17:32,631 --> 00:17:35,464
and, um, a gentleman.
350
00:17:36,464 --> 00:17:38,130
My last name was Italian,
351
00:17:38,214 --> 00:17:40,881
so he seemed
to take a liking to me.
352
00:17:40,964 --> 00:17:42,881
First thing he said
to me, he was like,
353
00:17:42,964 --> 00:17:44,464
"Hey, here's some
money, go eat, go eat."
354
00:17:44,547 --> 00:17:46,422
And I just thought
that was so funny because
355
00:17:46,506 --> 00:17:47,923
that's how Italians are.
356
00:17:48,005 --> 00:17:49,506
And it just made me feel
357
00:17:49,589 --> 00:17:52,464
at ease with him,
that this is a good person.
358
00:17:54,839 --> 00:17:57,214
I never knew he was married.
I didn't really care because
359
00:17:57,297 --> 00:18:00,631
I didn't really have any
relationship on that level,
360
00:18:00,714 --> 00:18:03,839
you know, in my mind anyways.
361
00:18:06,172 --> 00:18:08,506
One day, we were just
driving around, and he says,
362
00:18:08,589 --> 00:18:12,506
"Hey, I want to show you
something," so we pulled over.
363
00:18:15,130 --> 00:18:18,339
And, uh, he reaches
around the backseat
364
00:18:18,422 --> 00:18:19,923
and he pulls out
the winning pieces.
365
00:18:20,005 --> 00:18:22,547
It was, like, the whole thing.
It's $100,000.
366
00:18:22,631 --> 00:18:24,839
And I was like, "Wow,
so many people are trying
367
00:18:24,923 --> 00:18:26,923
"to win this thing,
and you're sitting here
368
00:18:27,005 --> 00:18:28,547
with all four pieces."
[laughs]
369
00:18:28,631 --> 00:18:30,589
You know, I'm like, "What?"
370
00:18:30,673 --> 00:18:31,839
"If you're interested,"
he says,
371
00:18:31,923 --> 00:18:33,923
"just walk in McDonald's
372
00:18:34,005 --> 00:18:35,923
"and this is what you gotta do
373
00:18:36,005 --> 00:18:38,422
and this is how it rolls."
374
00:18:38,506 --> 00:18:40,381
He goes,
"I'll give you 20,000 now
375
00:18:40,464 --> 00:18:43,255
and I'll give you
another 10,000 later."
376
00:18:43,339 --> 00:18:45,214
And I thought,
"Wow, that's a lot of money,"
377
00:18:45,297 --> 00:18:47,089
You know what I mean?
I could go buy me a car,
378
00:18:47,172 --> 00:18:49,255
you know, I could go do
some stuff, you know...
379
00:18:49,339 --> 00:18:51,756
'cause back then, you know,
I'm working at the airlines,
380
00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:55,297
what am I making?
You know, $10 an hour?
381
00:18:55,381 --> 00:18:58,339
I was game for
something exhilarating.
382
00:19:01,172 --> 00:19:03,005
So he had me fly to Philly.
383
00:19:03,089 --> 00:19:05,589
Being with I'm with
the airlines, I can do that.
384
00:19:05,673 --> 00:19:07,798
He picked me up
at the airport,
385
00:19:07,881 --> 00:19:09,714
we drove right to McDonald's
386
00:19:09,798 --> 00:19:12,089
and I didn't even have
to think for myself,
387
00:19:12,172 --> 00:19:14,673
you know what I mean?
Just follow the script.
388
00:19:14,756 --> 00:19:17,381
And that's exactly what I did.
389
00:19:18,422 --> 00:19:21,589
And I was just like,
"Um, I--I'm the winner."
390
00:19:21,673 --> 00:19:23,547
And he's like,
"Huh.
391
00:19:23,631 --> 00:19:25,381
So you're the winner."
392
00:19:26,255 --> 00:19:28,547
It was just too easy.
393
00:19:31,881 --> 00:19:33,631
But I didn't know...
394
00:19:33,714 --> 00:19:36,506
the aftermath
that was to follow.
395
00:19:36,589 --> 00:19:39,005
I mean, 'cause there was things
that nobody knew,
396
00:19:39,089 --> 00:19:42,589
and I just
kept it all to myself.
397
00:19:49,089 --> 00:19:51,506
- My husband,
he picked the winners,
398
00:19:51,589 --> 00:19:53,589
but he kept picking Italians
399
00:19:53,673 --> 00:19:56,339
on the East Coast.
400
00:19:56,422 --> 00:19:59,589
They were--they were kind of
being stupid about it.
401
00:20:00,756 --> 00:20:03,506
Somebody was bound
to get suspicious,
402
00:20:03,589 --> 00:20:05,339
so I told my husband,
403
00:20:05,422 --> 00:20:07,881
"I've got a friend
in Jacksonville.
404
00:20:07,964 --> 00:20:11,255
Bring some women into it
and women of color."
405
00:20:37,673 --> 00:20:40,172
- My name
is Gloria Brown-Byer,
406
00:20:40,255 --> 00:20:42,047
and I live in Jacksonville.
407
00:20:42,130 --> 00:20:43,839
I've been here all my life.
408
00:20:46,422 --> 00:20:48,589
I didn't wanna be
interviewed anymore.
409
00:20:48,673 --> 00:20:51,089
I don't want
to talk to anybody else
410
00:20:51,172 --> 00:20:54,381
about the McDonald's thing.
411
00:20:54,464 --> 00:20:56,506
'Cause it was...
412
00:20:56,589 --> 00:20:58,547
a whole lot.
413
00:21:00,589 --> 00:21:03,547
I was a McDonald's
$1 million winner.
414
00:21:04,714 --> 00:21:07,923
And...this is the first time
415
00:21:08,005 --> 00:21:10,631
that I've really just
had the opportunity to just--
416
00:21:10,714 --> 00:21:13,214
to just really just say,
"Okay, I'm gonna lay all
417
00:21:13,297 --> 00:21:15,381
my cards on the table
and to tell everything."
418
00:21:15,464 --> 00:21:17,798
I mean...I mean--even though
419
00:21:17,881 --> 00:21:20,589
my sister was there,
she don't know all the details.
420
00:21:20,673 --> 00:21:22,756
I mean, she'll be hearing this
421
00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:25,673
for the first time herself,
some of this stuff.
422
00:21:29,464 --> 00:21:34,297
I have a son, and I raised
him as a single parent.
423
00:21:34,381 --> 00:21:36,756
He, as a child,
was very understanding.
424
00:21:36,839 --> 00:21:40,464
We had a relationship where,
if money was not available,
425
00:21:40,547 --> 00:21:44,756
I'd discuss it with him,
and we worked it out together.
426
00:21:45,673 --> 00:21:47,756
I always had to work,
and I always managed
427
00:21:47,839 --> 00:21:51,214
to keep a job,
but it was always a struggle.
428
00:21:52,214 --> 00:21:55,005
Years passed by
and I didn't see Robin
429
00:21:55,089 --> 00:21:57,714
for some years and, um,
430
00:21:57,798 --> 00:21:59,547
when she called me,
431
00:21:59,631 --> 00:22:01,547
she told me
she had got married.
432
00:22:01,631 --> 00:22:04,130
I'm thinking maybe now
she has somebody that can
433
00:22:04,214 --> 00:22:08,047
look out for her and she was
very happy being with Jerry.
434
00:22:10,089 --> 00:22:12,130
I think it was in '97.
435
00:22:12,214 --> 00:22:14,130
Robin had called me and said
436
00:22:14,214 --> 00:22:16,339
she had something
she wanted to discuss with me,
437
00:22:16,422 --> 00:22:18,255
but we couldn't talk
about it over the phone.
438
00:22:19,172 --> 00:22:22,005
So Jerry asked me
to come and visit.
439
00:22:22,089 --> 00:22:25,089
It was at their home
in South Carolina.
440
00:22:26,089 --> 00:22:28,464
My first impression
of Jerry Colombo was that
441
00:22:28,547 --> 00:22:31,673
he was a real-life
comedian type guy, you know.
442
00:22:31,756 --> 00:22:34,005
And he treated me
443
00:22:34,089 --> 00:22:36,172
just like I had been around
the whole time.
444
00:22:36,255 --> 00:22:40,339
But the thing that bothered me
is that there was never
445
00:22:40,422 --> 00:22:43,172
any time that she and I
could be alone,
446
00:22:43,255 --> 00:22:46,547
even when we went shopping,
he went shopping with us.
447
00:22:46,631 --> 00:22:48,381
[laughing]
448
00:22:48,464 --> 00:22:49,964
One night I had just said,
449
00:22:50,047 --> 00:22:52,506
"Can you just leave us alone
for a few minutes?
450
00:22:52,589 --> 00:22:54,089
Durn, Jerry."
451
00:22:54,172 --> 00:22:55,506
And then he left us alone
452
00:22:55,589 --> 00:22:57,297
just for a few minutes,
and he came back.
453
00:22:57,381 --> 00:23:00,464
We were not allowed
to really discuss anything.
454
00:23:04,547 --> 00:23:07,422
Finally he talked to me
about a proposition,
455
00:23:07,506 --> 00:23:11,798
and it was a proposition
that would help me.
456
00:23:11,881 --> 00:23:13,714
He asked me, was I familiar
457
00:23:13,798 --> 00:23:15,589
with the McDonald's
game piece?
458
00:23:15,673 --> 00:23:17,047
I said yes.
459
00:23:17,130 --> 00:23:18,381
So he said
460
00:23:18,464 --> 00:23:22,339
people are picked
to be winners.
461
00:23:22,422 --> 00:23:24,673
This is how
it's always been done.
462
00:23:24,756 --> 00:23:27,839
And then he told me that
463
00:23:27,923 --> 00:23:31,673
he would let me know
what the next step was.
464
00:23:34,422 --> 00:23:37,172
When I first got the offer...
465
00:23:38,339 --> 00:23:40,381
I thought to myself
466
00:23:40,464 --> 00:23:43,339
that it was a blessing
that came knocking at my door.
467
00:23:46,714 --> 00:23:48,089
And...
468
00:23:48,172 --> 00:23:49,714
you know, I was going to church
469
00:23:49,798 --> 00:23:54,047
and I was doing--trying
to do the right thing and...
470
00:23:54,130 --> 00:23:58,547
my son was young,
and I was making...
471
00:23:59,673 --> 00:24:04,339
Probably about $24,000 a year,
it was just...
472
00:24:05,756 --> 00:24:07,673
By the time
taxes and stuff come out,
473
00:24:07,756 --> 00:24:09,506
it's really nothing.
474
00:24:09,589 --> 00:24:12,214
And I just
wanted a better life,
475
00:24:12,297 --> 00:24:14,631
and I just felt like
this was my opportunity.
476
00:24:14,714 --> 00:24:16,964
And I said, "Well,
477
00:24:17,047 --> 00:24:20,214
this couldn't come to me
if it wasn't meant for me."
478
00:24:24,881 --> 00:24:26,923
- My brother was
always joking around,
479
00:24:27,005 --> 00:24:29,089
always making people laugh,
always having a good time.
480
00:24:29,172 --> 00:24:33,756
Very lighthearted, uh,
but if you pissed him off,
481
00:24:33,839 --> 00:24:35,964
then he can have
a temper as well.
482
00:24:36,047 --> 00:24:38,839
But he never was the type
of person who would grab you
483
00:24:38,923 --> 00:24:40,464
or, you know, threaten you...
- Or rough you up.
484
00:24:40,547 --> 00:24:41,631
- Or rough you up.
485
00:24:41,714 --> 00:24:43,464
You knew if he looked at you
486
00:24:43,547 --> 00:24:46,506
when he told you exactly
what he wanted you to do,
487
00:24:46,589 --> 00:24:48,506
you knew you had to do it.
488
00:24:52,923 --> 00:24:55,881
- The whole
relationship changed.
489
00:24:57,255 --> 00:25:00,464
It got to the point that
I didn't talk to Robin anymore,
490
00:25:00,547 --> 00:25:03,297
I only talked
to Jerry Colombo.
491
00:25:03,381 --> 00:25:08,172
And I finally got
the information from him
492
00:25:08,255 --> 00:25:11,673
that I was gonna be
a $1 million winner
493
00:25:11,756 --> 00:25:14,381
and that he needed me
to come up with some money.
494
00:25:14,464 --> 00:25:17,255
And I'm asking him, "Why?"
495
00:25:17,339 --> 00:25:19,422
Then he said,
"Everybody that wins
496
00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:22,339
has to give
some upfront money."
497
00:25:22,422 --> 00:25:24,923
And I'm like, "How much?"
498
00:25:25,714 --> 00:25:28,005
And he asked me
how much I could come up with?
499
00:25:28,089 --> 00:25:30,631
I said, "I really
don't have any money,"
500
00:25:30,714 --> 00:25:34,255
so he said, "Can you get
money off your house?"
501
00:25:34,339 --> 00:25:37,297
[dramatic music]
502
00:25:37,381 --> 00:25:44,089
♪ ♪
503
00:25:44,172 --> 00:25:47,214
Can't back out now.
He's told me too much.
504
00:25:48,589 --> 00:25:54,172
I mortgaged my home
to get my upfront money.
505
00:25:54,255 --> 00:26:01,339
♪ ♪
506
00:26:06,297 --> 00:26:09,839
I put all the stuff
I worked hard for on the line
507
00:26:09,923 --> 00:26:14,839
because I believed
that this was my blessing.
508
00:26:20,464 --> 00:26:23,631
I met him
on the side of the road
509
00:26:23,714 --> 00:26:26,547
and gave him my first
portion of my money.
510
00:26:26,631 --> 00:26:33,839
♪ ♪
511
00:26:38,297 --> 00:26:41,881
It felt like something
had just been ripped from me.
512
00:26:41,964 --> 00:26:43,798
And, you know,
to meet somebody
513
00:26:43,881 --> 00:26:49,297
on the side of the road
and give them cash money,
514
00:26:49,381 --> 00:26:52,172
that much at one time...
515
00:26:53,214 --> 00:26:55,005
that's more than I ever
had in my hand at one time
516
00:26:55,089 --> 00:26:57,798
in my life, and I just
had to give it all away.
517
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:02,381
I just felt that
I just had gave my life away
518
00:27:02,464 --> 00:27:06,005
and I'm giving it to somebody
I don't know much about.
519
00:27:06,089 --> 00:27:08,923
Can I even trust this guy?
You know.
520
00:27:09,005 --> 00:27:16,214
♪ ♪
521
00:27:43,047 --> 00:27:44,964
- Before my husband
was working
522
00:27:45,047 --> 00:27:47,130
the Monopoly fraud game,
523
00:27:47,214 --> 00:27:51,464
we had my son,
Francesco Gennaro Colombo.
524
00:27:51,547 --> 00:27:55,089
[indistinct speech]
525
00:27:55,172 --> 00:27:57,130
- Say hi to the camera,
Frankie.
526
00:27:57,214 --> 00:28:00,005
- Hi, camera!
[laughter]
527
00:28:00,089 --> 00:28:03,214
- Bye, camera.
- Bye, camera.
528
00:28:03,297 --> 00:28:04,798
Easy.
529
00:28:04,881 --> 00:28:07,089
- Basketball.
530
00:28:07,172 --> 00:28:08,506
- [laughing]
531
00:28:08,589 --> 00:28:11,339
- I was, at times,
really very happy.
532
00:28:11,422 --> 00:28:14,547
I had my son.
I had some money.
533
00:28:14,631 --> 00:28:17,964
I should've at least
been having a good time.
534
00:28:19,506 --> 00:28:22,005
But I was never satisfied,
ever.
535
00:28:22,089 --> 00:28:24,172
Um, I went from home to home
536
00:28:24,255 --> 00:28:26,047
thinking that one
was gonna make it better.
537
00:28:26,130 --> 00:28:27,589
You don't have friends.
538
00:28:27,673 --> 00:28:30,422
You can't bring friends
into that lifestyle.
539
00:28:32,381 --> 00:28:35,172
Even though
I adored my husband,
540
00:28:35,255 --> 00:28:37,714
I found out he had
a mistress on the side,
541
00:28:37,798 --> 00:28:39,923
which I guess is a prerequisite
542
00:28:40,005 --> 00:28:43,464
of an Italian gangster
to have a mistress.
543
00:28:50,631 --> 00:28:53,255
I was walking down the hallway
to check on Frankie,
544
00:28:53,339 --> 00:28:55,798
while he was sleeping,
when I heard my husband
545
00:28:55,881 --> 00:29:00,172
on the telephone saying, um...
546
00:29:00,255 --> 00:29:04,047
some unsavory words to her.
547
00:29:04,130 --> 00:29:06,381
And I barged in and I said,
548
00:29:06,464 --> 00:29:08,130
"Who the hell
are you talking to?"
549
00:29:08,214 --> 00:29:10,964
And I took the phone
from him.
550
00:29:12,172 --> 00:29:15,506
And I took it, and I
slammed it across his face.
551
00:29:15,589 --> 00:29:17,255
- They did get
in a lot of fights.
552
00:29:17,339 --> 00:29:20,339
Um, she would say a lot
of mean, nasty things to him.
553
00:29:20,422 --> 00:29:22,589
She was very abusive,
as far as physical--
554
00:29:22,673 --> 00:29:24,255
slapping
and so forth and so on.
555
00:29:24,339 --> 00:29:27,589
Robin would just try
swinging and clawing at him.
556
00:29:27,673 --> 00:29:30,589
I mean, he would grab her hands
and say, "Stop, stop, stop it."
557
00:29:30,673 --> 00:29:33,381
[doorbell rings]
558
00:29:36,172 --> 00:29:38,464
- Anytime I threatened
to leave him,
559
00:29:38,547 --> 00:29:41,172
Uncle Jerry would step in.
560
00:29:43,839 --> 00:29:47,589
Send 15 grand, buy me a car,
561
00:29:47,673 --> 00:29:50,297
um, whatever to appease me.
562
00:29:50,381 --> 00:29:52,506
And, um...
563
00:29:54,339 --> 00:29:56,506
So I wouldn't leave.
564
00:29:58,339 --> 00:30:01,923
- My brother was always making
money and he was never home.
565
00:30:02,005 --> 00:30:04,089
He always had
an excuse to go somewhere,
566
00:30:04,172 --> 00:30:06,089
to go on a business trip,
to be somewhere.
567
00:30:06,172 --> 00:30:09,047
Um...so I knew he wasn't happy.
568
00:30:09,714 --> 00:30:12,297
During the Monopoly situation,
569
00:30:12,381 --> 00:30:14,756
my brother wanted
to open up a club
570
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,464
in Ladson County,
South Carolina.
571
00:30:17,547 --> 00:30:19,422
I believe he was
trying to get away
572
00:30:19,506 --> 00:30:21,547
from the life of crime
and he was trying to make
573
00:30:21,631 --> 00:30:23,464
a legitimate business.
574
00:30:23,547 --> 00:30:27,089
So he opened up a place
called the Fuzzy Bunny.
575
00:30:27,172 --> 00:30:30,047
- The Fuzzy Bunny opened its
doors just a half hour ago,
576
00:30:30,130 --> 00:30:32,464
opening the doors
to a steamy controversy.
577
00:30:32,547 --> 00:30:33,964
Gurnal?
578
00:30:34,047 --> 00:30:36,005
- Well, Debbie, we are here
at the Fuzzy Bunny,
579
00:30:36,089 --> 00:30:38,464
which is located on
Highway 78 and Royal,
580
00:30:38,547 --> 00:30:41,506
just down the road from
the Fairgrounds in Ladson.
581
00:30:41,589 --> 00:30:43,673
And the entertainment
and the dancing
582
00:30:43,756 --> 00:30:45,631
have begun here at the club.
583
00:30:45,714 --> 00:30:48,339
- He had some dancers,
they were wearing, um,
584
00:30:48,422 --> 00:30:49,673
bikini tops...
585
00:30:49,756 --> 00:30:51,381
- And pasties.
It was not full nudity.
586
00:30:51,464 --> 00:30:52,756
- Wasn't fully nudity.
587
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:54,339
He wanted to do
classy places.
588
00:30:54,422 --> 00:30:55,714
- He had his morals.
589
00:30:55,798 --> 00:30:57,214
- Yeah, he had--
he had his morals.
590
00:30:57,297 --> 00:30:58,881
- I got girls
in Daisy Dukes, tops.
591
00:30:58,964 --> 00:31:02,130
I got volleyball courts
being built outside, um...
592
00:31:02,214 --> 00:31:04,464
I have live concerts
here on the weekends.
593
00:31:04,547 --> 00:31:06,172
Basically,
that's about it, really.
594
00:31:06,255 --> 00:31:08,130
- He wanted to make,
like, a gentlemen's club.
595
00:31:08,214 --> 00:31:10,381
And his goal was to open up
four or five of these
596
00:31:10,464 --> 00:31:13,089
all through Hilton Head
and North and South Carolina.
597
00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:14,673
The county
kept on fighting him
598
00:31:14,756 --> 00:31:17,172
and fighting him
and fighting him.
599
00:31:17,255 --> 00:31:19,839
They kept on shutting him down
for this permit, that permit.
600
00:31:19,923 --> 00:31:21,422
- That's not gonna
stop you from...
601
00:31:21,506 --> 00:31:23,464
- That's not gonna stop us.
My attorney told me
602
00:31:23,547 --> 00:31:26,255
we can--I mean, whatever
we gotta do, we're gonna do.
603
00:31:26,339 --> 00:31:28,297
I mean, I'm out here trying
to earn a living for my family
604
00:31:28,381 --> 00:31:29,714
just like you are,
and that's it.
605
00:31:29,798 --> 00:31:31,047
- I was proud of him
606
00:31:31,130 --> 00:31:32,589
for actually doing
something legal for once.
607
00:31:32,673 --> 00:31:33,881
- The one time he tried
to do something legit.
608
00:31:33,964 --> 00:31:35,339
- Right?
609
00:31:35,422 --> 00:31:36,673
- Some people have
already trickled in
610
00:31:36,756 --> 00:31:37,881
to the establishment here...
611
00:31:37,964 --> 00:31:40,798
- Coming soon, Fuzzy Bunny's.
612
00:31:40,881 --> 00:31:42,631
I hate it so much.
613
00:31:42,714 --> 00:31:45,714
And I told my husband,
I said, "I know you,
614
00:31:45,798 --> 00:31:48,214
"you couldn't just
open a club.
615
00:31:48,297 --> 00:31:51,005
You have to try 'em out."
616
00:31:51,089 --> 00:31:53,964
And I told him to stop.
617
00:31:54,047 --> 00:31:55,381
- There is an existing
court order
618
00:31:55,464 --> 00:31:57,506
where the club
cannot be opened.
619
00:31:59,714 --> 00:32:02,339
- Three months later,
I thought he had sold it
620
00:32:02,422 --> 00:32:05,881
or whatever,
so no more Fuzzy Bunny.
621
00:32:05,964 --> 00:32:10,005
And then one night my son and I
went out to dinner,
622
00:32:10,089 --> 00:32:13,255
and he was like two,
about two years old.
623
00:32:13,339 --> 00:32:16,547
We're driving down the road,
and I pass Fuzzy Bunny.
624
00:32:16,631 --> 00:32:18,756
And I looked,
and there's a bunch of guys
625
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,089
and I'm like,
"Damn, there's my car."
626
00:32:21,172 --> 00:32:23,005
I got a little closer,
and I said,
627
00:32:23,089 --> 00:32:24,673
"And there's my
big, fat husband."
628
00:32:24,756 --> 00:32:30,130
And I turned around and I
jumped up on the curb and I--
629
00:32:32,589 --> 00:32:34,422
And Jerry,
he was sitting back
630
00:32:34,506 --> 00:32:38,047
like a big,
fat cat on the phone.
631
00:32:38,130 --> 00:32:40,589
And I just punched him
right in the jaw.
632
00:32:40,673 --> 00:32:43,547
I said, "You are so divorced."
633
00:32:44,339 --> 00:32:46,255
All the guys are just standing
there
634
00:32:46,339 --> 00:32:47,798
just staring, and I said,
635
00:32:47,881 --> 00:32:50,547
"You're going down.
All you motherfuckers
636
00:32:50,631 --> 00:32:52,464
"are going down.
Every single one of you.
637
00:32:52,547 --> 00:32:54,964
I'm going to the FBI," I said,
638
00:32:55,047 --> 00:32:57,381
"I'm going to the Witness
Protection Program,"
639
00:32:57,464 --> 00:33:00,506
I said, "so just watch out."
640
00:33:05,005 --> 00:33:07,839
So I go to a payphone;
I called my parents.
641
00:33:07,923 --> 00:33:11,756
And I said, "Mom, I need you
to take two names down."
642
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:13,923
She goes,
"What the hell have you done?"
643
00:33:14,005 --> 00:33:16,381
I said, "Well I just
threatened three goons
644
00:33:16,464 --> 00:33:21,130
"with the FBI, so if you don't
hear from me in a couple days,
645
00:33:21,214 --> 00:33:24,214
you are to contact them
and give them these names."
646
00:33:24,297 --> 00:33:26,673
And Uncle Jerry was
the top of that--
647
00:33:26,756 --> 00:33:29,381
on that...list.
648
00:33:30,089 --> 00:33:31,381
They beat me home.
649
00:33:31,464 --> 00:33:34,255
My husband
and two big-ass goons.
650
00:33:35,923 --> 00:33:37,839
And I said,
"This is what I want.
651
00:33:37,923 --> 00:33:42,130
I want a moving truck here
and a divorce."
652
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:47,464
He goes, "Robin,
you're never leaving me.
653
00:33:47,547 --> 00:33:49,297
"There is no divorce.
654
00:33:49,381 --> 00:33:51,297
You're stuck with me."
655
00:33:52,255 --> 00:33:55,172
So I called Uncle Jerry,
and he says,
656
00:33:55,255 --> 00:33:57,381
"You married the wrong guy,"
657
00:33:57,464 --> 00:34:00,422
and he asked me to marry him.
658
00:34:01,673 --> 00:34:02,923
Yeah.
659
00:34:05,130 --> 00:34:06,756
- Yeah.
660
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:09,172
And I told him no.
661
00:34:09,255 --> 00:34:12,881
I thought, you know, "I'm
never gonna get out of this,"
662
00:34:12,964 --> 00:34:15,089
so I stayed.
663
00:34:15,172 --> 00:34:17,839
But I was a prisoner
in my own home.
664
00:34:36,005 --> 00:34:38,464
- Jerry Colombo told me
that I had to have
665
00:34:38,547 --> 00:34:40,381
a South Carolina address.
666
00:34:40,464 --> 00:34:44,631
And he had a cousin that lived
at this particular spot,
667
00:34:44,714 --> 00:34:47,172
and this was gonna
be my address.
668
00:34:48,130 --> 00:34:49,964
And at that point,
I'm like,
669
00:34:50,047 --> 00:34:51,673
"Oh, gosh."
670
00:34:52,673 --> 00:34:55,339
This isn't what
I was expecting.
671
00:34:57,005 --> 00:35:00,756
He coached me on some things
that I needed to say
672
00:35:00,839 --> 00:35:03,631
and work on and believe...
673
00:35:03,714 --> 00:35:08,047
I had to leave my voice on the
voicemail as if it was my home.
674
00:35:08,130 --> 00:35:09,756
Hi, this is Gloria.
675
00:35:09,839 --> 00:35:12,631
Leave a message,
and I'll get back with you.
676
00:35:12,714 --> 00:35:15,547
He made me do it
till I got it right.
677
00:35:15,631 --> 00:35:18,005
You know, he wanted
the right tone, you know.
678
00:35:18,089 --> 00:35:19,589
It had to be happy.
679
00:35:20,714 --> 00:35:24,214
One of the things that
constantly crossed my mind
680
00:35:24,297 --> 00:35:28,422
is that my life was in danger.
681
00:35:28,506 --> 00:35:32,631
I had no other option but
to take this process through.
682
00:35:34,839 --> 00:35:37,464
Robin knew all of my family
683
00:35:37,547 --> 00:35:40,381
and my son.
684
00:35:41,381 --> 00:35:43,714
I just kind of felt
like I was trapped.
685
00:35:44,923 --> 00:35:47,589
It was no way out,
but to go through it.
686
00:35:48,381 --> 00:35:50,255
When time to
turn the game piece in,
687
00:35:50,339 --> 00:35:52,798
he picked me up with two men.
688
00:35:52,881 --> 00:35:54,798
I didn't know
either one of them.
689
00:35:54,881 --> 00:35:56,714
I almost felt
kidnapped in a sense,
690
00:35:56,798 --> 00:35:58,673
you know what I'm saying?
It's like,
691
00:35:58,756 --> 00:36:00,547
"You're here, and
you're gonna ride with us
692
00:36:00,631 --> 00:36:02,422
and you're gonna do
what we say."
693
00:36:03,881 --> 00:36:05,506
"And you're gonna do it right."
694
00:36:07,464 --> 00:36:08,798
All the way there,
695
00:36:08,881 --> 00:36:10,297
Jerry Colombo
never stopped talking.
696
00:36:10,381 --> 00:36:11,589
Telling me what to do
697
00:36:11,673 --> 00:36:12,798
and what you're gonna say.
698
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:13,964
I mean, he was just drilling--
699
00:36:14,047 --> 00:36:16,005
and how you're gonna do it.
700
00:36:16,089 --> 00:36:18,464
And they drove me
to the McDonald's
701
00:36:18,547 --> 00:36:21,881
that they had picked out
that I was gonna go to.
702
00:36:21,964 --> 00:36:25,506
He parked the car
in the corner.
703
00:36:25,589 --> 00:36:29,130
The ticket was in a little vial
about this tall
704
00:36:29,214 --> 00:36:31,547
with a cap on it.
705
00:36:32,923 --> 00:36:35,339
There I was,
walking down this block
706
00:36:35,422 --> 00:36:37,673
in a place
I had never been before.
707
00:36:37,756 --> 00:36:40,005
It was like bank robbery
or something, you know?
708
00:36:40,089 --> 00:36:41,255
They on the block
down at the end.
709
00:36:41,339 --> 00:36:42,506
They don't wanna be seen.
710
00:36:42,589 --> 00:36:44,798
They down the street,
the getaway car.
711
00:36:44,881 --> 00:36:48,756
And I'm like, "Oh, Lord,
this could go so bad."
712
00:36:50,547 --> 00:36:53,089
A lot of things was
going through my mind.
713
00:36:54,255 --> 00:36:58,047
Am I gonna lie
enough to be believable?
714
00:36:58,130 --> 00:37:01,089
Am I gonna mess up
and then I'm in trouble?
715
00:37:01,172 --> 00:37:04,631
Just all kind of stuff
was going through my head.
716
00:37:04,714 --> 00:37:08,130
Am I going to jail today
behind this foolishness?
717
00:37:09,047 --> 00:37:11,381
And at this point in time,
718
00:37:11,464 --> 00:37:14,255
I was about to panic.
719
00:37:14,339 --> 00:37:16,589
And I'm saying to myself...
720
00:37:16,673 --> 00:37:18,964
"Oh, Lord, Jesus."
721
00:37:19,047 --> 00:37:21,756
I wanted to cry before
I got into the place
722
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:25,130
and I said, "No,
you can't go in there upset."
723
00:37:26,339 --> 00:37:28,631
I had to not
be Gloria at that time,
724
00:37:28,714 --> 00:37:33,506
I had to become somebody else
to make it believable.
725
00:37:39,964 --> 00:37:42,547
Here we go.
726
00:37:45,172 --> 00:37:47,798
I had to go in
and stand to this counter
727
00:37:47,881 --> 00:37:52,047
and tell them that it looked
like I'd been a winner.
728
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:56,381
The manager came out said,
"Have a seat."
729
00:37:56,464 --> 00:37:59,297
And I had to give them
my information--
730
00:37:59,381 --> 00:38:03,673
the fake telephone number,
the fake address.
731
00:38:03,756 --> 00:38:06,714
[dramatic music]
732
00:38:06,798 --> 00:38:13,881
♪ ♪
733
00:38:45,798 --> 00:38:48,881
And then they finally came out
and congratulated me.
734
00:38:48,964 --> 00:38:52,089
The manager at the McDonald's,
the cashiers,
735
00:38:52,172 --> 00:38:54,297
everybody running around
so happy
736
00:38:54,381 --> 00:38:58,589
that they got the winner
come to their McDonald's.
737
00:38:59,464 --> 00:39:01,130
And there I was,
I couldn't even hardly
738
00:39:01,214 --> 00:39:02,964
put a smile on my face.
739
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:10,172
By the time I got to the car--
got back to the car,
740
00:39:10,255 --> 00:39:12,464
Jerry Colombo
was having a fit.
741
00:39:13,714 --> 00:39:16,422
Because it had take--
it took too long.
742
00:39:17,798 --> 00:39:20,673
And there he was,
as soon as I get in the car,
743
00:39:20,756 --> 00:39:22,547
"Okay, what took you so long?"
744
00:39:22,631 --> 00:39:24,339
Then I had to explain to him.
745
00:39:24,422 --> 00:39:26,631
"Well what were you doing
all that time?"
746
00:39:26,714 --> 00:39:28,964
"I was sitting waiting,"
you know.
747
00:39:29,673 --> 00:39:31,214
"What did they tell you?"
748
00:39:31,297 --> 00:39:35,089
So they told me they'd get
back--be getting back with me.
749
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:38,339
I hung around another day
750
00:39:38,422 --> 00:39:41,130
and then I came on back
to Jacksonville.
751
00:39:42,089 --> 00:39:44,089
And went back to work
752
00:39:44,172 --> 00:39:47,172
like nothing had happened
and I just had to wait.
753
00:39:51,506 --> 00:39:53,381
- They don't want to see
this club open up.
754
00:39:53,464 --> 00:39:55,172
- And anybody in the
Ladson-Summerville area
755
00:39:55,255 --> 00:39:57,047
knows that place has been
a bar for 50 years.
756
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:59,422
It's been a bikers' club.
It's been a nightclub.
757
00:39:59,506 --> 00:40:00,964
It's been a lounge.
758
00:40:01,047 --> 00:40:02,881
- My brother would use
759
00:40:02,964 --> 00:40:04,839
loopholes after
loophole after loophole,
760
00:40:04,923 --> 00:40:06,964
and they finally came up
with one that was saying,
761
00:40:07,047 --> 00:40:10,130
uh, you can't have
female dancers within
762
00:40:10,214 --> 00:40:11,798
1,000 feet of a school
or something--
763
00:40:11,881 --> 00:40:13,714
something to that nature,
what it was.
764
00:40:13,798 --> 00:40:17,047
So he turned the Fuzzy Bunny
765
00:40:17,130 --> 00:40:19,089
into the Church of Fuzzy Bunny.
766
00:40:19,172 --> 00:40:20,547
- The Church
of Fuzzy Bunny's
767
00:40:20,631 --> 00:40:21,881
- The Church of Fuzzy Bunny's.
768
00:40:21,964 --> 00:40:23,297
- The transformation
of their club
769
00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:24,589
into a church...
770
00:40:24,673 --> 00:40:26,923
- Dancing girls,
alcoholic drinks,
771
00:40:27,005 --> 00:40:28,089
and the Bible?
772
00:40:28,172 --> 00:40:29,464
Lowcountry Preachers
773
00:40:29,547 --> 00:40:32,506
say the switch from
Fuzzy Bunny Club
774
00:40:32,589 --> 00:40:34,089
to Fuzzy Bunny Church
775
00:40:34,172 --> 00:40:36,464
is nothing but blasphemy.
776
00:40:36,547 --> 00:40:38,047
- I really, honestly,
didn't see the big deal in it,
777
00:40:38,130 --> 00:40:39,756
I'll be honest with you.
100%, I swear.
778
00:40:39,839 --> 00:40:41,756
And I mean, I'm a woman,
but I--I really
779
00:40:41,839 --> 00:40:43,714
didn't see the--
the huge deal.
780
00:40:43,798 --> 00:40:46,214
- Those two don't mix,
as far as I'm concerned.
781
00:40:46,297 --> 00:40:49,506
Church and strip joints
just don't mix.
782
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:51,089
- Yeah, but they
can't fool people.
783
00:40:51,172 --> 00:40:52,839
No good people is gonna
be going in that place.
784
00:40:52,923 --> 00:40:54,506
- I don't see nothing
with having a place
785
00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:56,130
where you can come in,
say a few prayers,
786
00:40:56,214 --> 00:40:59,422
have a couple drinks,
see some women dancing.
787
00:40:59,506 --> 00:41:01,506
- He liked to be
the center of attention,
788
00:41:01,589 --> 00:41:03,172
uh, and if you
messed with him,
789
00:41:03,255 --> 00:41:05,798
he would just play
that game as long as it took.
790
00:41:05,881 --> 00:41:07,297
- Marianne,
you're next on the line
791
00:41:07,381 --> 00:41:08,714
with Jerry Colombo, go ahead.
792
00:41:08,798 --> 00:41:10,130
Go ahead, Marianne.
793
00:41:10,214 --> 00:41:12,214
- Yes, um, I think
what you're doing
794
00:41:12,297 --> 00:41:14,422
is an abomination to God.
795
00:41:15,422 --> 00:41:18,130
And it's wrong,
it's wrong in the eyes of God.
796
00:41:18,214 --> 00:41:20,255
And really, it's wrong
in morals, too.
797
00:41:20,339 --> 00:41:21,339
- All right.
798
00:41:21,422 --> 00:41:22,714
- Thank you.
799
00:41:22,798 --> 00:41:24,130
- Well, I guess God
hasn't talked to you lately.
800
00:41:24,214 --> 00:41:25,673
He came to me in
a dream a couple weeks ago,
801
00:41:25,756 --> 00:41:27,923
and he told me what
I'm doing is fine.
802
00:41:28,005 --> 00:41:30,631
- You say that with somewhat
of a smirk on your face,
803
00:41:30,714 --> 00:41:32,130
I mean, you had to have...
804
00:41:32,214 --> 00:41:34,130
- I did have--I did have
a dream one night, that's why.
805
00:41:34,214 --> 00:41:35,589
- Well, we all have dreams,
806
00:41:35,673 --> 00:41:37,005
I don't know if
it's divine intervention.
807
00:41:37,089 --> 00:41:38,964
- This one was divine.
808
00:41:39,047 --> 00:41:40,339
- We never went.
- No.
809
00:41:40,422 --> 00:41:42,798
- No--but it sounded
like a fun time, though.
810
00:41:42,881 --> 00:41:46,297
- I mean, a little prayer,
a little pasties...
811
00:41:46,381 --> 00:41:48,089
- Right?
[laughter]
812
00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:50,547
- All the publicity that has
come out of this situation
813
00:41:50,631 --> 00:41:53,381
with Fuzzy Bunny's has earned
owner, Jerry Colombo,
814
00:41:53,464 --> 00:41:56,005
notice from
"The National Enquirer,"
815
00:41:56,089 --> 00:41:58,130
Comedy Central,
the cable channel,
816
00:41:58,214 --> 00:42:00,964
and this Friday, he has
a scheduled guest appearance
817
00:42:01,047 --> 00:42:03,381
on the David Letterman show.
818
00:42:11,255 --> 00:42:13,547
- Oh, yeah.
Yes.
819
00:42:14,255 --> 00:42:16,172
- Jerry Colombo
won a Dodge Viper.
820
00:42:16,255 --> 00:42:18,130
- Jerry Colombo...
- Jerry Colombo...
821
00:42:18,214 --> 00:42:19,589
- Jerry Colombo...
822
00:42:19,673 --> 00:42:21,506
- Jerry Colombo...
- Jerry Colombo...
823
00:42:21,589 --> 00:42:24,506
[dramatic music]
824
00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:31,381
♪ ♪
825
00:42:31,464 --> 00:42:35,506
- This is my first
letter of congratulation.
826
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:39,172
They're congratulating me
for being a $1 million winner
827
00:42:39,255 --> 00:42:42,964
and explaining to me that
I'll be getting $50,000
828
00:42:43,047 --> 00:42:47,172
for, um, the next 20 years.
829
00:42:49,756 --> 00:42:51,339
The check came in the mail,
830
00:42:51,422 --> 00:42:53,005
which--that went
to my fake address.
831
00:42:53,089 --> 00:42:55,673
And Jerry brought it to me,
and I told him
832
00:42:55,756 --> 00:42:58,756
I'll deposit the check,
and then he said,
833
00:42:58,839 --> 00:43:01,506
"You didn't get
any cash off of it?"
834
00:43:01,589 --> 00:43:04,214
I'm like, "No,
they gotta put a hold on it."
835
00:43:04,297 --> 00:43:07,047
During that time,
my bank account was always low,
836
00:43:07,130 --> 00:43:09,673
so I had to go back to the bank
837
00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:12,005
and insist on
getting something.
838
00:43:15,005 --> 00:43:19,089
So I got $2,000
and I gave it to him.
839
00:43:19,172 --> 00:43:22,297
When it did clear,
he was calling me to add
840
00:43:22,381 --> 00:43:24,631
to the 2,000 and make it 25.
841
00:43:25,589 --> 00:43:30,464
So I just took the money
and gave it to him.
842
00:43:31,506 --> 00:43:33,673
Didn't ask any questions.
843
00:43:33,756 --> 00:43:36,798
He worked out a deal where
844
00:43:36,881 --> 00:43:40,005
what I had, he took and, um,
845
00:43:40,089 --> 00:43:45,297
for the first five years,
I had to give them...
846
00:43:45,381 --> 00:43:49,839
give Jerry Colombo $25,000.
847
00:43:54,714 --> 00:43:56,130
Nothing changed for me.
848
00:43:56,214 --> 00:43:58,881
Now, I never acted
like I had money.
849
00:44:00,673 --> 00:44:04,047
'Cause I was in a deeper hole
than I was before I did it.
850
00:44:04,130 --> 00:44:06,255
Took my mortgage
up higher, of course.
851
00:44:06,339 --> 00:44:09,422
I went from paying
300 and something a month
852
00:44:09,506 --> 00:44:11,005
to $1,000,
853
00:44:11,089 --> 00:44:12,798
so I was just like--
"Phew!"
854
00:44:12,881 --> 00:44:15,547
That's when I found out
about the taxes.
855
00:44:16,339 --> 00:44:21,381
Jerry Colombo got $25,000
each time before taxes.
856
00:44:28,214 --> 00:44:30,381
I didn't go out
and buy anything.
857
00:44:30,464 --> 00:44:32,964
I couldn't buy anything.
858
00:44:33,047 --> 00:44:34,798
I was so stressed.
859
00:44:34,881 --> 00:44:37,714
Well, Jerry Colombo
always had to consult
860
00:44:37,798 --> 00:44:41,130
with the head man.
"Let me call Uncle Jerry."
861
00:44:41,214 --> 00:44:46,506
Uncle Jerry is being
reported to about everything.
862
00:44:46,589 --> 00:44:49,089
During that time,
I felt like Uncle Jerry
863
00:44:49,172 --> 00:44:52,673
was the main mob man.
[chuckles]
864
00:44:53,464 --> 00:44:57,130
Within that first year,
McDonald's wanted me to do
865
00:44:57,214 --> 00:44:58,381
all this publicity.
866
00:44:58,464 --> 00:45:00,464
But I just couldn't
get into it.
867
00:45:01,547 --> 00:45:05,881
Jerry Colombo's thing was,
"They want you to advertise
868
00:45:05,964 --> 00:45:09,547
"because you
are the first black,
869
00:45:09,631 --> 00:45:11,923
"and you're female.
870
00:45:12,005 --> 00:45:13,631
And you got the $1 million."
871
00:45:14,756 --> 00:45:18,214
And I'm saying to myself,
"Yeah, but...
872
00:45:18,297 --> 00:45:20,297
"I don't wanna
keep talking to people
873
00:45:20,381 --> 00:45:22,047
"and telling people this story
874
00:45:22,130 --> 00:45:24,756
over and over and over
and over and over."
875
00:45:24,839 --> 00:45:27,673
But he said that
we had to do this.
876
00:45:28,673 --> 00:45:30,214
We stayed in the Four Seasons.
877
00:45:30,297 --> 00:45:32,047
I think that was
the first time I ever had
878
00:45:32,130 --> 00:45:34,255
the opportunity to just order
what I want off the menu
879
00:45:34,339 --> 00:45:35,964
and not worry about a tab.
880
00:45:36,047 --> 00:45:38,130
Then I came in here
and the girl took so long
881
00:45:38,214 --> 00:45:40,631
to come out and I said,
"This must be real."
882
00:45:40,714 --> 00:45:44,631
So, you know, it's just--it's
just all beginning to set in.
883
00:45:44,714 --> 00:45:47,089
Just--I just don't know
how to describe it.
884
00:45:47,172 --> 00:45:49,047
It's undescribable.
885
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:52,172
The best part about it,
the whole thing,
886
00:45:52,255 --> 00:45:55,589
is that I got a chance
to meet Sherman Hemsley.
887
00:46:00,506 --> 00:46:02,839
The marketing company,
they had a big celebration.
888
00:46:02,923 --> 00:46:04,756
It was something like
a promotion type thing
889
00:46:04,839 --> 00:46:06,172
and Jerry Colombo said,
890
00:46:06,255 --> 00:46:08,964
"Uncle Jerry's
gonna be in the audience."
891
00:46:09,047 --> 00:46:12,130
And I'm like, "God..."
[inhales]
892
00:46:12,214 --> 00:46:14,047
So...
893
00:46:14,130 --> 00:46:16,881
they had this big check
for me to hold
894
00:46:16,964 --> 00:46:20,881
and take a picture
and then they say, "Speak!"
895
00:46:20,964 --> 00:46:22,673
I'm like...
[sighs]
896
00:46:22,756 --> 00:46:24,089
Here I go.
897
00:46:24,172 --> 00:46:26,506
More lies.
898
00:46:28,714 --> 00:46:30,422
I was kind of out of it.
899
00:46:30,506 --> 00:46:32,255
I could hear
the cameras going.
900
00:46:32,339 --> 00:46:34,422
The whole time I'm thinking
about this mob man
901
00:46:34,506 --> 00:46:36,339
in the audience.
902
00:46:36,422 --> 00:46:38,798
Never seen a picture of him,
903
00:46:38,881 --> 00:46:41,673
didn't know
who I was looking for,
904
00:46:41,756 --> 00:46:46,673
but I kept looking to see
which one it could be.
905
00:46:46,756 --> 00:46:49,130
After that,
I finally just told him,
906
00:46:49,214 --> 00:46:51,464
"I don't want to
do anything else.
907
00:46:52,422 --> 00:46:56,714
Don't--don't put me out
to do anything else."
908
00:46:56,798 --> 00:47:00,798
Jerry Colombo said,
"Uncle Jerry was in the crowd.
909
00:47:00,881 --> 00:47:03,339
He said you did great."
910
00:47:06,589 --> 00:47:10,339
It just was little things
like that, that made sure,
911
00:47:10,422 --> 00:47:11,881
I guess, I stayed on my toes
912
00:47:11,964 --> 00:47:13,964
and did what I needed to do
and do it proper.
913
00:47:14,047 --> 00:47:19,339
So I was still under
that web the whole time.
914
00:47:19,422 --> 00:47:22,964
I didn't know where to turn.
I didn't know what to do.
915
00:47:23,047 --> 00:47:25,631
There's just really
no way out of it.
916
00:47:27,214 --> 00:47:30,047
And I said to myself,
"Now what's next?"
917
00:47:38,547 --> 00:47:42,130
- As soon as I got
that check, things changed.
918
00:47:46,589 --> 00:47:50,589
I'm in his car,
and we're going to this bank.
919
00:47:52,589 --> 00:47:56,172
We needed to get the check
cashed right there.
920
00:47:57,005 --> 00:48:00,547
And all the money went
right to Jerry's hands.
921
00:48:01,422 --> 00:48:05,047
The teller said to me,
he said, "Get that money.
922
00:48:05,130 --> 00:48:08,464
It's $50,000 taxes on that.
923
00:48:08,547 --> 00:48:10,255
Make sure you get that."
924
00:48:10,339 --> 00:48:12,756
But I didn't think
anything of it.
925
00:48:12,839 --> 00:48:15,172
It just kind of--
you go numb, you know,
926
00:48:15,255 --> 00:48:16,631
there's just no thought.
927
00:48:16,714 --> 00:48:19,631
And that's kind of how I felt,
I think,
928
00:48:19,714 --> 00:48:22,172
with that money,
'cause it's not mine.
929
00:48:23,464 --> 00:48:25,964
He said that he had
to go to Uncle Jerry first,
930
00:48:26,047 --> 00:48:27,589
give him his piece of pie
931
00:48:27,673 --> 00:48:29,631
and then everybody
gets a piece of pie
932
00:48:29,714 --> 00:48:31,673
and it has to go, you know,
933
00:48:31,756 --> 00:48:36,047
in that order
before I can get my money.
934
00:48:36,130 --> 00:48:39,673
So I--I kept calling him and
calling him and he would like
935
00:48:39,756 --> 00:48:42,047
call me back and say, "I'm
gonna get the money for you,
936
00:48:42,130 --> 00:48:43,673
"I got the money on me,
937
00:48:43,756 --> 00:48:46,130
it's gonna be like
another week," or whatever,
938
00:48:46,214 --> 00:48:47,673
he just kept putting me off.
939
00:48:47,756 --> 00:48:51,631
I heard the difference
in his voice, like, like--
940
00:48:51,714 --> 00:48:55,089
like, "Don't bug me.
You're gonna get your money."
941
00:48:55,172 --> 00:48:58,089
I--I believed...
942
00:48:58,172 --> 00:49:01,798
that Gennaro
owed Uncle Jerry money.
943
00:49:03,255 --> 00:49:07,756
I believe the money got too big
944
00:49:07,839 --> 00:49:12,005
to not take a bigger piece
of that pie.
945
00:49:12,089 --> 00:49:17,005
Because the spending habits
became bigger and grander.
946
00:49:17,089 --> 00:49:20,297
And I'm thinking, "Okay,
947
00:49:20,381 --> 00:49:22,839
that's why
I'm not getting my money."
948
00:49:25,422 --> 00:49:28,297
- I'm wondering if the local
banks will have the money...
949
00:49:28,381 --> 00:49:30,297
- Mm-hmm.
[laughter]
950
00:49:30,381 --> 00:49:32,339
- You know, it's a small town.
951
00:49:32,422 --> 00:49:33,964
- It's a cute town.
- It really is.
952
00:49:34,047 --> 00:49:35,464
- It's a great little town.
- I love it!
953
00:49:35,547 --> 00:49:37,756
- It's like living
in the '60s.
954
00:49:38,839 --> 00:49:40,506
- You could ask
any number of people,
955
00:49:40,589 --> 00:49:44,214
what would drive you
to do what these people did?
956
00:49:44,297 --> 00:49:46,130
- And the first one
I peeled off, I believe,
957
00:49:46,214 --> 00:49:48,964
was Pennsylvania Avenue, and
the second one I peeled off
958
00:49:49,047 --> 00:49:51,005
was $1 million
instant prize winner
959
00:49:51,089 --> 00:49:53,547
and it was like,
"Wow, is this for real?"
960
00:49:53,631 --> 00:49:57,214
- A lot of this is stealing
money, using a device to do it
961
00:49:57,297 --> 00:49:59,089
tricking somebody into it.
962
00:49:59,172 --> 00:50:01,172
And then two or more do that,
that's the "conspiracy."
963
00:50:01,255 --> 00:50:03,464
Devereaux's gonna be
so happy I said that.
964
00:50:03,547 --> 00:50:05,506
But it's more than that.
965
00:50:05,589 --> 00:50:08,130
- Breakfast sandwich?
- Yeah, that's what it was.
966
00:50:08,214 --> 00:50:09,964
A breakfast sandwich,
a breakfast sandwich.
967
00:50:10,047 --> 00:50:11,506
- A lot of 'em
are good people,
968
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:13,089
they make bad decisions,
969
00:50:13,172 --> 00:50:17,130
whether it be they have fallen
into a financial problem
970
00:50:17,214 --> 00:50:20,589
and they hear a nice way
to get out of it.
971
00:50:22,005 --> 00:50:23,839
- That's your motivation.
"Okay.
972
00:50:23,923 --> 00:50:26,506
"I'm gonna do it because,
you know, I need money to--
973
00:50:26,589 --> 00:50:31,255
for my kid's health or school
or I'm gonna retire."
974
00:50:31,339 --> 00:50:34,172
- Human nature
975
00:50:34,255 --> 00:50:37,464
makes us do different things.
976
00:50:39,547 --> 00:50:42,089
People want to justify
what they did
977
00:50:42,172 --> 00:50:43,547
or why they did it
978
00:50:43,631 --> 00:50:46,130
so they can really
live with themselves.
979
00:50:46,214 --> 00:50:50,422
Everyone,
everyone watching this show
980
00:50:50,506 --> 00:50:53,089
cannot stand
in front of a mirror,
981
00:50:53,172 --> 00:50:55,756
look at themselves in the eyes
982
00:50:55,839 --> 00:50:59,297
and say they've never
done something that they wish
983
00:50:59,381 --> 00:51:03,130
they could correct
and take back.
984
00:51:08,255 --> 00:51:11,464
- A couple of years later,
I had this company that was
985
00:51:11,547 --> 00:51:15,047
calling me on a regular basis
trying to get me
986
00:51:15,130 --> 00:51:16,089
to come on this trip.
987
00:51:16,172 --> 00:51:17,839
I was very reluctant,
988
00:51:17,923 --> 00:51:21,506
but they kept saying
it was for all the winners.
989
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:23,631
They wanna find out
where we are now,
990
00:51:23,714 --> 00:51:27,464
what we're doing, you know,
just a follow-up.
991
00:51:30,130 --> 00:51:32,381
A lot of this stuff
I just wanted to block out
992
00:51:32,464 --> 00:51:34,005
and just forget it
993
00:51:34,089 --> 00:51:38,214
and you just kind of went in
and laughed and talked,
994
00:51:38,297 --> 00:51:41,547
and, you know, it just--try
to make me feel comfortable,
995
00:51:41,631 --> 00:51:44,089
but I never felt comfortable
about this whole thing.
996
00:51:44,172 --> 00:51:46,506
- Um, basically,
what I'd like you to do...
997
00:51:46,589 --> 00:51:48,422
- Somebody asking me
a question from over
998
00:51:48,506 --> 00:51:50,673
on this side,
somebody asking me a question
999
00:51:50,756 --> 00:51:52,673
from over on this side--
that's when I knew
1000
00:51:52,756 --> 00:51:54,547
that something wasn't right.
1001
00:51:54,631 --> 00:51:58,798
I was about to get sick to
the stomach because I knew...
1002
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:02,839
And I was trying to cut
'em short, and they wouldn't--
1003
00:52:02,923 --> 00:52:05,673
they wouldn't stop
asking me questions.
1004
00:52:05,756 --> 00:52:07,756
- Um...so did you--
when did you
1005
00:52:07,839 --> 00:52:10,422
decide to move
back to Jacksonville?
1006
00:52:10,506 --> 00:52:13,339
- I felt like an interrogation
went on because when I came--
1007
00:52:13,422 --> 00:52:16,381
when I was in there,
I was like, I could feel
1008
00:52:16,464 --> 00:52:20,422
my adrenaline building
a little bit because
1009
00:52:20,506 --> 00:52:23,547
I knew that it was...
1010
00:52:23,631 --> 00:52:26,714
that they wasn't
asking me questions.
1011
00:52:26,798 --> 00:52:29,923
The questions they was
asking me was to just
1012
00:52:30,005 --> 00:52:33,839
get it on record,
how I spent the money.
1013
00:52:35,005 --> 00:52:37,381
But I felt it.
1014
00:52:39,339 --> 00:52:41,714
That feeling
is something else.
1015
00:52:43,547 --> 00:52:45,047
- Okay, let's--
let's rehearse it, okay?
1016
00:52:45,130 --> 00:52:46,422
And this--you talk
to the camera.
1017
00:52:46,506 --> 00:52:47,464
- Okay, okay.
1018
00:52:47,547 --> 00:52:48,923
- You can do it slow
1019
00:52:49,005 --> 00:52:50,214
because this is like
a rehearsal--
1020
00:52:52,714 --> 00:52:54,756
- It--it might have been, um,
1021
00:52:54,839 --> 00:52:58,130
but you're about to deprive
someone of their freedom,
1022
00:52:58,214 --> 00:52:59,839
you know, their future,
1023
00:52:59,923 --> 00:53:02,506
everything from family...
1024
00:53:02,589 --> 00:53:06,798
it's not meant to be that
kind of fun for us at all.
1025
00:53:06,881 --> 00:53:09,673
It's not fun at all
1026
00:53:09,756 --> 00:53:12,172
to deprive liberty to someone.
1027
00:53:12,255 --> 00:53:13,964
- We just walked out of there,
1028
00:53:14,047 --> 00:53:16,756
and I was kind of numb
walking out the door,
1029
00:53:16,839 --> 00:53:19,381
like, "Oh, this is it.
1030
00:53:19,464 --> 00:53:22,714
Something is gonna
happen from this."
1031
00:53:31,005 --> 00:53:35,381
- It wasn't much longer after
the Fuzzy Bunny situation
1032
00:53:35,464 --> 00:53:37,255
I got real depressed.
1033
00:53:37,339 --> 00:53:40,255
I didn't eat.
I was just so distraught.
1034
00:53:40,339 --> 00:53:41,464
Then I got mad.
1035
00:53:41,547 --> 00:53:42,923
I looked over at him
1036
00:53:43,005 --> 00:53:45,464
you know, I told him
about Uncle Jerry.
1037
00:53:45,547 --> 00:53:47,881
I said, "You know
he asked me to marry him?"
1038
00:53:47,964 --> 00:53:50,339
As soon as I said the words,
1039
00:53:50,422 --> 00:53:54,047
I was sorry,
'cause I could tell
1040
00:53:54,130 --> 00:53:56,714
it was a real thing.
1041
00:53:56,798 --> 00:53:58,381
'Cause at first I thought,
1042
00:53:58,464 --> 00:54:00,381
this could be a setup,
you know,
1043
00:54:00,464 --> 00:54:03,005
maybe they're trying to
find out my loyalty
1044
00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:04,839
and it wasn't a setup.
1045
00:54:04,923 --> 00:54:08,673
And so he went
and cussed Uncle Jerry out.
1046
00:54:13,005 --> 00:54:17,339
The next day,
we're driving down the road.
1047
00:54:17,422 --> 00:54:19,589
Jerry's in the passenger seat,
1048
00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:23,631
I'm driving, Frankie's
crying in the car seat.
1049
00:54:23,714 --> 00:54:27,839
It's bothering Jerry
more than it is me.
1050
00:54:29,047 --> 00:54:31,673
And we got in an argument.
1051
00:54:38,005 --> 00:54:41,339
And so he says,
"Rob, I gotta put him down,
1052
00:54:41,422 --> 00:54:43,964
lay him down.
It's enough."
1053
00:54:44,047 --> 00:54:46,589
And so he took him
out of his car seat,
1054
00:54:46,673 --> 00:54:50,422
and I'm like,
"God, Jerry, come on."
1055
00:54:50,506 --> 00:54:55,339
And a little teardrop came
down my face and I thought,
1056
00:54:55,422 --> 00:54:57,964
you know, "I'm never
gonna get out of this."
1057
00:54:58,047 --> 00:55:01,047
[baby crying]
1058
00:55:11,422 --> 00:55:12,839
[horn blares]
1059
00:55:12,923 --> 00:55:14,089
[crashing, glass shatters]
1060
00:56:09,255 --> 00:56:11,381
[bright tone]
1061
00:56:13,589 --> 00:56:15,631
ROBIN COLOMBO: He is not
some sweet little old man.
1062
00:56:15,714 --> 00:56:17,339
He's a freakin' gangster.
1063
00:56:17,422 --> 00:56:19,047
♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
1064
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:21,923
FRANK COLOMBO: I was not sure
if the accident was an accident.
1065
00:56:22,005 --> 00:56:25,214
It could've been a possible hit.
Things were getting really ugly.
1066
00:56:25,839 --> 00:56:28,589
CHRIS GRAHAM: Operation
Final Answer was moving fast.
1067
00:56:28,881 --> 00:56:30,089
Everything was on the table.
1068
00:56:31,005 --> 00:56:33,005
We thought, "Well,
how much bigger can this get?"
1069
00:56:33,089 --> 00:56:34,047
And it would get bigger.
1070
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:35,881
"How much further back
could it go?"
1071
00:56:35,964 --> 00:56:37,381
And it would go back further.
1072
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:38,714
One of my biggest regrets
1073
00:56:38,798 --> 00:56:39,631
is being involved
in this McDonald's thing.
1074
00:56:40,089 --> 00:56:41,506
FRANK: If you can get away
with something
1075
00:56:41,714 --> 00:56:45,130
over and over, and over...
You only gotta be caught once.
1076
00:56:45,506 --> 00:56:46,756
♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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