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This guitar was
the beginning of it all for me.
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I don't have
much of a process of, like,
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"I'm thinking about this,
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and now I'm gonna write a song,
and it's gonna be about that."
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A lot of times,
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the creative process is trying
to catch yourself off guard.
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And you sit down, and
you've got a blank canvas,
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and you don't know
what you're gonna do,
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and you just see what happens.
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How you doin', man?
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When you talk
about songs that are
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reflective of your past,
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it becomes a Jigsaw puzzle,
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because... you write
about what you know.
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You write
about where you've been.
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You write about who you know.
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When I stumbled onto this song,
"once were brothers"...
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It really did, for me,
zero in on the band.
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I don't know
of any other group of musicians
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with a story equivalent
to the story of the band.
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And it was a beautiful thing.
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It was so beautiful,
it went up in flames.
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There is no band that emphasizes
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coming together and becoming
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greater than the sum
of their parts than the band.
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Simply their name,
the band, that was it.
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I've never been
in a band that long.
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I ran away, usually,
and would move on
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to the next thing that was
attractive to me,
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or that was missing in the band
I was in. So I didn't
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have a sense of brotherhood,
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so I was in great awe
of their brotherhood.
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It was the soul of the band.
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Not only did they
have the incredible writing,
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you know, Robbie's writing,
but they had three
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of the greatest white singers
in rock history.
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To have any one of those guys
would be the foundation
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for a great band. To have three
of them in one group,
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that was...
Just loaded for bear.
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This music
drew upon country music,
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English, Scottish, Irish,
the choral sounds
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of the Welsh. At the same time,
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Mississippi delta, the blues.
And there was so much imagery.
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This... just didn't
seem like anything else.
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No one sounded
like those guys. You know,
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they came in, and they played.
And I just loved
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that about them, you know,
they were about the music.
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I think about levon,
Richard, Rick, and garth
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all the time. We went through
things together you could
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never replace. You can never
give enough credit
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to something that special.
I was an only child,
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so this brotherhood was
so powerful.
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I think
we're warmed up.
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Since I was a kid,
I see stories
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in a different way. I don't see
them like fairy tales.
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These stories are powerful,
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and some of them are
dangerous and big.
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Maybe that's
because my upbringing was
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a little bit scattered
and not normal in some ways.
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My mother was born and raised
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in the six nation
Indian reserve.
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Her name was Dolly.
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When she was
around 16 years old,
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she was sent to live
with an aunt in Toronto.
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When we would go back to visit
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the relatives
in the Indian reserve,
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I thought this was
a magical place.
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It seemed like every day,
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when the sun
started to go down,
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the instruments would come out.
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And I could sit
in the middle of this,
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and hear the fingers
on the strings,
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and the hands rubbing
on the skins of the drum.
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My parents got me
a little guitar
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with a cowboy painted on it.
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I already know a couple
of chords on the guitar
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that my relatives at
six nations had taught me.
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I would practice and practice.
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This is where I belong.
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This is calling me.
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I don't know for sure
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whether I would ever have found
my way to music
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without this experience,
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and that's why I have
such a deep appreciation
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for that place.
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And then we crossed
into a time zone
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when I was 13 years old.
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Overnight, out of nowhere,
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this new music came pouring out.
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For guys my age,
it was a life-altering moment.
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Like, it just cut
against the grain
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of the mundaneness of
entertainment at that time.
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Jann you know,
it's raw, it's loud,
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it's raucous, it's tough.
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You know, the guitar sound is
loud and thrilling.
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It immediately
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imparted to you
this entire new way
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of living, of looking,
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of walking,
of talking, of being,
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of the possibility
of what you might be able to do
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with your life. It was a
revolutionary moment, you know.
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I thought of it as my
own personal big bang.
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I thought, "that's
it. I don't know
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what all you people
are gonna do,
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but I know what I'm gonna do."
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Within weeks, I
was in my first band.
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We were off and running.
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My schoolmates, they're like,
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"one of these days, I wanna have
my own bowling alley."
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I'd be like, "oh, my god,
your own bowling...
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You could bowl for free
all you wanted, right?"
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I don't have that vision.
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I saw something else,
and the lights
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were really bright.
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Within a couple years,
we were getting somewhere,
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booking different shows
around Toronto.
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A local dj booked US to open
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for Ronnie Hawkins
and the hawks.
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Ronnie Hawkins
and the hawks had
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a reputation to be the best
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rockabilly band around.
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These guys were up there
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with Jerry Lee Lewis,
Conway twitty,
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Carl Perkins,
they were in that league.
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We didn't
know anything about Canada.
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We figured, Canada is the
wilderness, they've still got
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mountain men, you know,
eating each other,
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stuff like that.
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We didn't know nothing
about Canada. Boy, and Canada is
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the promised land compared
to where we came from.
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We played
our hearts out.
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Then Ronnie Hawkins
and the hawks take
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the stage. Oh, my god.
They took flight.
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Ronnie Hawkins was
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over here. Boom,
he was over there.
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He was singing just in time.
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The piano player would be
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playing a solo,
keys would be flying off
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the piano,
he was hitting it so hard.
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There was a guy playing drums
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who looked like
he was 15 years old,
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with white-blonde hair,
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and he was twirling sticks,
and he was laughing,
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and smiling,
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and he just seemed
to glow in the dark,
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and his name was levon helm.
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Well, I started with
Ronnie when I was trying
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to get out of high school
back in Arkansas.
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Ronnie was putting
a band together.
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I got into it to play drums.
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We hit the road,
played around for years,
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and ended up
playing up in Canada.
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This is it. This is the
most amazing thing
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on the planet earth.
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After they played,
I just stood around.
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I wanted to help out
in any way I could,
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to have this rub off on me,
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this music, this talent,
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this southern-ness.
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I stuck to them like glue.
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I knew
right off the bat
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Robbie had something special.
I don't know,
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he must've been
15 or 16 years old.
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But he was hip.
Robbie was street hip.
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He was a hell of a young man.
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One day,
I heard Ronnie Hawkins
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saying to the other guys,
"I gotta cut a new record.
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I need some songs."
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I scampered home,
went to my room,
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and never came out
until I wrote two songs.
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Robbie was writing
songs when he was 15 years old.
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I recorded two of said songs
on my album
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before anybody ever thought
about Robbie robertson.
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At that time,
Robbie dropped out of school.
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His mother, Dolly, she
was worried about him.
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There had been quite a period
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where my parents weren't
getting along.
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My father, Jim robertson,
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was being quite abusive
with my mother,
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and with me.
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And one day she said to me,
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"sit down, I... I need
to tell you something.
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And maybe I should've
told you this before,
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but he's not your real father."
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"What?
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I... what do you mean,
he's not my real father?"
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Robbie's real daddy was
a Hebrew gangster.
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Yeah, they killed him,
they shot him on...
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Yonge street, I think.
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My mother says, "your
blood father, his name was
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Alexander klegerman.
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He got killed
before you were born.
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He's Jewish."
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And she introduced me
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to the relatives
of my blood father,
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natie klegerman
and morrie klegerman.
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They bring me into their world
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with tremendous love
and affection.
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I met his uncle who'd been
in the penitentiary
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ten years.
He was a gangster too.
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Through these
relatives of mine,
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I'm understanding
what's been stirring
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inside of me all this time.
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They understand vision.
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They understand ambition.
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When I told the klegermans
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I had musical ambitions,
they were like,
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"rock 'n' roll?
You don't wanna be
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in furs and diamonds,
you wanna be in that...?"
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And then they were like,
"oh, you mean, show business."
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I'm 16 years old now.
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Ronnie Hawkins says, "I want
you to come down to Arkansas
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and try out
to become one of the hawks."
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If I didn't go down there
and try out for this,
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I would be sorry
the rest of my life.
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I sold my '56 stratocaster,
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I got the money
to take a train from Toronto
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to fayetteville, Arkansas.
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I'm going
to the Mississippi delta,
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to the fountainhead
of rock 'n' roll.
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"This is it, this is it.
I've gotta make this work."
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So many amazing music
people came out of there.
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This music
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is down and dirty.
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And it's heavy,
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just like the air.
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Growin' up there
in the delta,
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just in the Memphis,
west Memphis area there,
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we had as good a radio
as you could find.
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Our jukeboxes and radios
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weren't running short
of good songs.
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I consider
myself fortunate to have
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grown up there and heard
the kind of music that I did.
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Robbie was
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a hell of a gifted musician,
I can tell you that.
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But what made him better
than anybody else is
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he worked twice as hard.
285
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Finally, Ronnie says,
286
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"I'm gonna offer you the job."
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I say, "you'll never have
to tell me to work harder."
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He said, "I know."
So I say, "great.
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How much will I get paid
working for you?"
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And I said, "well, don't worry
about the money, kid.
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You ain't gonna make much money,
292
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but you'll be gettin' more pussy
than frank Sinatra."
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And he did.
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I depended on levon
to show me the road.
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He had grown, in my eyes,
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bigger than life.
When he laughed,
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everybody laughed.
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They were the best
friends you could ever be.
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They were like huckleberry Finn
and Tom Sawyer.
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It was a hell of a combination,
I thought,
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because levon could put the
arrangements and stuff together
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and do all that, and Robbie
could write the songs.
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When I saw
Robbie play guitar,
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it just blew my mind.
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00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:17,710
Every guitar player in Toronto
learned from Robbie.
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He changed
the whole ballgame up here.
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I can remember
people discussing,
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00:21:21,714 --> 00:21:24,484
"how does Robbie make
that guitar sound?"
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That was
the big mystery.
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There was, like,
stories going around
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that, oh,
he slashed his speakers,
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broke a couple of tubes
in the amp.
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Every guitar player I met after
that was doing the same thing.
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I watched them all change
from their old style of playing
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to the new Robbie style
of playing,
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00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:43,970
and I was...
I was one of the pack.
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Ronnie depends
on levon and I
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to help him choose
musicians that have potential.
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Ronnie wants to have
the best band in the land.
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Have you ever heard me sing?
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I'll better have a good band.
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The Arkansas boys would quit
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and Ronnie would replace
with a Canadian musician.
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Within a fairly short time,
we had
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Richard, Rick, and when garth
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finally joined the outfit,
I think that gave US a leg up.
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We didn't
know a musician
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that could do what he could do.
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Garth understood muddy waters
330
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and bach in the same sentence.
331
00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:48,735
Richard was
an incredibly beautiful soul.
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You couldn't help
but just love the guy.
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It was
kind of like boot camp.
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00:22:53,239 --> 00:22:55,007
I mean, we drove ourselves
335
00:22:55,307 --> 00:22:57,544
to as near perfection
as we could get, you know?
336
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To the point where we'd
really thrill each other.
337
00:23:01,313 --> 00:23:03,583
Rick was one
of these people that was like,
338
00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:05,518
"trombone, bass, tuba,
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00:23:05,652 --> 00:23:09,288
violin, whatever it is,
I can do it."
340
00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:11,858
We were kids
playing in bars
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00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:13,893
that you were supposed
to be 21 to play in.
342
00:23:14,026 --> 00:23:16,162
We were 17, 18, 19. It can
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get pretty outrageous when
you're out there that young.
344
00:23:19,065 --> 00:23:21,601
345
00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:25,237
346
00:23:27,273 --> 00:23:29,241
347
00:23:30,042 --> 00:23:31,544
Robbie's mom, Dolly,
348
00:23:31,678 --> 00:23:33,513
she helped the band out
more than anybody.
349
00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:35,715
She would give them
places to stay cheap,
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00:23:35,848 --> 00:23:37,584
fed 'em, cooked.
She did everything.
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00:23:37,717 --> 00:23:39,151
She was somethin' else.
352
00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,454
353
00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:46,058
We played six days
a week and we practiced five.
354
00:23:46,325 --> 00:23:48,194
That's how come they got good.
355
00:23:48,327 --> 00:23:50,697
They were probably the best
white rhythm and blues band
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00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:53,466
in the world at that time.
When they were young,
357
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,301
they were absorbing
all that knowledge quick.
358
00:23:55,702 --> 00:23:58,671
They shot by me musically
like a bolt of lightning.
359
00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:02,341
We were
outgrowing the past
360
00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,778
and the music that we were
playing with Ronnie.
361
00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:20,893
When we
left Ronnie, we ended up
362
00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:23,029
playing at a club in New York,
363
00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:26,332
and one day my friend,
John Hammond,
364
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:28,367
a great musician, blues singer,
365
00:24:28,501 --> 00:24:30,369
he came and picked me up
at the hotel,
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00:24:30,503 --> 00:24:33,640
and we're going to the Columbia
records building,
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00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,241
to one of the studios.
368
00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:38,678
We go in.
I see over in the corner
369
00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:42,248
this guy with dark glasses on
370
00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:45,117
and frizzly hair,
and John says,
371
00:24:45,351 --> 00:24:47,053
"this is Bob Dylan."
372
00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,923
373
00:24:57,764 --> 00:25:04,771
374
00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:08,841
Bob Dylan's
a really respected songwriter.
375
00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:11,510
He was best known
to me as a folk singer
376
00:25:11,644 --> 00:25:14,480
with a guitar
and he has a harmonica.
377
00:25:14,614 --> 00:25:17,516
And he sings
his beautiful songs.
378
00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:20,319
Folk music, from what we knew,
379
00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:23,522
was happening
over by a university somewhere,
380
00:25:23,656 --> 00:25:25,958
and people were
sipping cappuccinos,
381
00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:27,827
listening to folk music.
382
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,228
Where we're playing,
383
00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:30,863
on the other side
of the tracks,
384
00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:33,399
there ain't nobody sipping
cappuccinos over there.
385
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:36,703
I didn't know
a whole lot about Bob.
386
00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:41,674
We were more into
R&B and blues music.
387
00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:46,412
When we left Ronnie,
388
00:25:47,013 --> 00:25:48,948
I wanna be something original,
389
00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:50,850
I don't wanna be a bar band.
390
00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:53,519
I've gotta
come back to writing.
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00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:58,390
I'm having dreams
about finding a sanctuary,
392
00:25:58,524 --> 00:26:00,392
finding a place that we can go,
393
00:26:00,526 --> 00:26:03,596
and we can hone these skills,
and we're just not
394
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:06,432
on the road
driving to the next gig.
395
00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:08,768
They were
playing these gigs,
396
00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:11,671
trying to get a recording deal.
I said, "well, gee, you know,
397
00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:13,439
how about we make
a record together?
398
00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,574
And I was signed
to vanguard records.
399
00:26:15,708 --> 00:26:19,378
And they gave US, like,
a three-hour window to record.
400
00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:22,448
I invited my friend Bob Dylan
to the recording day.
401
00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:24,283
So I introduced them to Dylan.
402
00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,886
And... and Dylan flipped out,
I mean,
403
00:26:27,019 --> 00:26:29,355
he thought
these guys were phenomenal.
404
00:26:29,689 --> 00:26:33,425
What we didn't know is
that Bob's already doing
405
00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,294
the rock 'n' roll thing.
406
00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,529
407
00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:48,574
He wanted to hire
an amazing band
408
00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:51,678
that he could take
on tour with him.
409
00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:53,746
So he hired the guys.
410
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,916
411
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:09,929
412
00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:14,767
Bob Dylan's thing
was like a detour.
413
00:27:15,101 --> 00:27:17,169
We're hooking up with this guy,
414
00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:19,839
and he's changing
the course of music.
415
00:27:20,506 --> 00:27:23,810
He's like... the king
of the folk movement
416
00:27:23,943 --> 00:27:26,913
who now wants
a rock 'n' roll band.
417
00:27:27,046 --> 00:27:29,281
Huh! That's not a bad thing
418
00:27:29,415 --> 00:27:31,784
to experience along the way too.
419
00:27:31,918 --> 00:27:34,286
We thought,
"let's take that detour."
420
00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:42,161
421
00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:46,098
We hook up with him,
and have no idea
422
00:27:46,232 --> 00:27:47,566
that he's the only one
423
00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:49,368
that thinks
this is a good idea.
424
00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:52,638
The rest of the world
hates this idea.
425
00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:56,108
We play with him
and they boo US every night.
426
00:27:56,242 --> 00:27:59,611
It is weird that people could
427
00:27:59,812 --> 00:28:03,182
be this upset about this guy
428
00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:06,819
just wanting to expand
his musical horizon
429
00:28:06,953 --> 00:28:09,021
and play with other musicians.
430
00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:12,191
431
00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:23,002
432
00:28:23,369 --> 00:28:30,142
We'd go somewhere,
we set up our equipment,
433
00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:31,377
we play.
434
00:28:32,511 --> 00:28:34,613
People come, they boo US,
435
00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:38,084
sometimes throw things.
We'd pack up our equipment,
436
00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:39,952
go on to the next place,
437
00:28:40,086 --> 00:28:42,721
set up, play, they boo US.
438
00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:45,758
I think, "what a strange way
to make a buck."
439
00:28:49,028 --> 00:28:50,797
Kids would break for the stage,
440
00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,465
cops were making
open-field tackles...
441
00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,102
Out in front of the stage.
442
00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:58,037
And Bob had told US, you know,
443
00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:00,072
whatever happens,
just don't stop playing.
444
00:29:00,339 --> 00:29:02,875
445
00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:07,579
446
00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:12,318
447
00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:18,290
448
00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:20,492
Cool car!
449
00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,595
Get the bass in with Robbie.
Let's go.
450
00:29:24,063 --> 00:29:26,132
Let's go, we have to go now.
Hey, tell them we have to go.
451
00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,967
Hey, don't pull my fingers!
452
00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,870
So long. So long,
don't boo me anymore!
453
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:34,874
When they yell in this
weird nasal tone.
454
00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:37,443
Oh. Jesus, you know,
I don't understand why they...
455
00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:39,745
How can they buy
the tickets up so fast?
456
00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:41,280
Let's get that light off.
457
00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:57,997
Levon expressed
to me that there was
458
00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:00,466
something in this whole world
459
00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,502
that we had entered into that
just didn't feel right to him.
460
00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:06,105
And the idea that we would
461
00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:10,142
go out and play
and people would boo US,
462
00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:12,778
he thought
that was just ridiculous.
463
00:30:13,412 --> 00:30:16,815
And I... I was
much closer to Bob
464
00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:19,085
than the other guys were.
465
00:30:19,218 --> 00:30:21,787
I don't think levon felt good
about that, either.
466
00:30:22,421 --> 00:30:30,997
467
00:30:32,731 --> 00:30:35,301
One night, levon comes
468
00:30:35,434 --> 00:30:38,104
to my hotel room and he says,
469
00:30:38,404 --> 00:30:41,473
"I don't like this music.
I don't like these people.
470
00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:43,475
I don't wanna be here.
471
00:30:43,976 --> 00:30:46,412
And I don't wanna be
in anybody's band.
472
00:30:47,914 --> 00:30:49,048
I wanna go."
473
00:30:51,283 --> 00:30:53,719
He didn't go
anywhere without me.
474
00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:57,056
He said, "I'm gonna go
down to New Orleans
475
00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,658
and maybe work on an oil rig
476
00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:03,329
in the Gulf of Mexico."
And I said,
477
00:31:03,595 --> 00:31:05,464
"have you told the other guys?"
478
00:31:05,797 --> 00:31:08,400
He said, "no, I haven't spoke
to the other guys.
479
00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:10,202
I'd like you to do that for me."
480
00:31:10,336 --> 00:31:12,438
481
00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:14,773
"Tell them I wish them well,
482
00:31:14,907 --> 00:31:17,176
and I'll see them
down the line."
483
00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:20,846
So I walked him
down the street,
484
00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:23,682
and I put my arm
around his shoulders
485
00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:25,251
as we were walking along.
486
00:31:25,751 --> 00:31:27,686
He felt beat up to me.
487
00:31:28,988 --> 00:31:32,624
And I knew that he was
really in pain.
488
00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:34,693
My heart was breaking.
489
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,863
My partner, my brother...
490
00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,900
Has left, has gone.
491
00:31:42,168 --> 00:31:45,437
I don't know how to
do this without levon...
492
00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:48,374
But I'm gonna have
to figure it out.
493
00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,443
494
00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:55,547
495
00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:02,788
496
00:32:04,056 --> 00:32:05,791
497
00:32:06,192 --> 00:32:09,895
After levon left,
498
00:32:10,362 --> 00:32:12,398
we had to get another drummer.
499
00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:14,666
Mickey Jones was his name
500
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,735
and he was a terrific guy,
501
00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:19,271
but, boy, they were
tough shoes to fill.
502
00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:21,140
Levon left a big hole.
503
00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:23,709
504
00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:40,459
We play all over Europe,
and it just gets worse.
505
00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,095
We were thinking,
"maybe they don't like it here,
506
00:32:43,229 --> 00:32:46,198
but when we go there, they'll
probably feel differently."
507
00:32:46,498 --> 00:32:48,967
- No.
508
00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:51,670
Being in the
trenches with Bob on this fight
509
00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:53,305
probably reinforced
their relationship.
510
00:32:53,439 --> 00:32:55,407
I think they became closer
under fire.
511
00:32:56,142 --> 00:32:58,477
It's fun to revolt.
Robbie's young,
512
00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,346
and you know, throwin' it
in the faces
513
00:33:00,479 --> 00:33:01,980
of all these like, pissant,
514
00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:03,682
you know, people that are
in tweeds, or whatever.
515
00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,552
I remember
it well. The show was
516
00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:08,954
in two halves. In the first
half, Bob came out and did
517
00:33:09,088 --> 00:33:11,357
his usual thing with the guitar
and the harmonica.
518
00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:13,825
In the second half,
he came out with the band.
519
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:16,662
All through that second half,
people were getting up
520
00:33:16,928 --> 00:33:18,797
and walking out, shouting,
521
00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,467
and Bob just came out
and he said, "well, you know,
522
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,203
"you all may know this song.
Um, remember how
523
00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,705
it goes? Well, here's how
it goes now." You know?
524
00:33:26,972 --> 00:33:29,641
525
00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:38,016
I remember saying
to the other guys,
526
00:33:38,584 --> 00:33:40,986
"this is good. They're wrong.
527
00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,222
This is good."
528
00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:46,325
And then you realize,
529
00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,661
you're in a musical revolution.
530
00:33:50,196 --> 00:33:52,331
There is something
going on here,
531
00:33:52,464 --> 00:33:55,000
and you have
nothing to compare it to.
532
00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,036
It just made US
533
00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:01,173
feel like flexing
our musical muscles.
534
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,776
We're gonna play this music
in your face.
535
00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:13,685
The guys that were
with me on that tour,
536
00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:15,487
you know,
we were all in it together.
537
00:34:15,621 --> 00:34:17,756
We were puttin' our heads
in the lion's mouth.
538
00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,592
I had to admire them
for sticking it out with me,
539
00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,228
just for doing it,
in my book they were,
540
00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:24,196
you know... gallant knights
541
00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:26,365
for even, you know,
standing behind me.
542
00:34:28,334 --> 00:34:30,969
543
00:34:40,146 --> 00:34:42,114
544
00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:44,983
545
00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:48,019
One day, we were
just taking a walk
546
00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:49,221
and looking in stores.
547
00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:54,326
I see two really pretty girls.
548
00:34:57,429 --> 00:34:59,498
We're
taking a wonderful walk. It was
549
00:34:59,631 --> 00:35:02,668
the springtime in Paris.
There was a gathering of people
550
00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:04,436
somewhere around the corner
551
00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:07,839
who began to talk to US,
and asked US what we were doing.
552
00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,442
In broken English,
553
00:35:10,576 --> 00:35:15,181
they say they're journalists
from Montreal.
554
00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:17,249
I'm like, "wow!
555
00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,251
I'm from Canada too.
556
00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:21,320
I'm from Toronto."
557
00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:24,290
And they look like,
oh, that's too bad.
558
00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:26,758
And this whole thing
at the time
559
00:35:26,892 --> 00:35:29,795
between English-speaking
and the French-speaking,
560
00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:32,664
they were in a revolutionary
spirit. This is when they were
561
00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,634
putting bombs in mailboxes,
562
00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:37,736
and it was rough going.
563
00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:40,472
I'm on neutral territory,
I'm in Paris.
564
00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:42,941
He looked like family to me
from the beginning.
565
00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:46,678
It was like...
I recognized him.
566
00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:49,581
567
00:35:50,416 --> 00:35:54,152
I am fancy dancing
the best I can
568
00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:56,021
to charm Dominique
569
00:35:56,288 --> 00:35:58,524
into thinking
I'm not a bad person,
570
00:35:58,657 --> 00:35:59,691
I'm not the enemy.
571
00:36:00,091 --> 00:36:03,495
And we've got to spend
some time together.
572
00:36:05,264 --> 00:36:07,433
We went
to the concert at the Olympia,
573
00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:09,701
and the crowd was roaring
574
00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:12,304
in anger
about electric guitars.
575
00:36:13,071 --> 00:36:14,973
I didn't even realize
576
00:36:15,106 --> 00:36:18,277
people were booing anymore.
There was something
577
00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:19,878
about her spirit.
578
00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:23,815
There was something
about her eyes and her smile,
579
00:36:24,049 --> 00:36:26,418
and it was a fire inside her.
580
00:36:26,552 --> 00:36:30,856
Even though I didn't
speak his language,
581
00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:32,891
I spoke a language
that touched him.
582
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,364
I was definitely
falling in love with Robbie.
583
00:36:45,637 --> 00:36:47,973
When we got back
to New York City,
584
00:36:48,106 --> 00:36:51,176
I invited her to come
and join me there,
585
00:36:51,677 --> 00:36:53,245
and eventually she did.
586
00:36:54,746 --> 00:36:57,115
The other guys
in the hawks and myself
587
00:36:57,249 --> 00:36:59,184
were trying to find a place
588
00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:01,853
where we could
start working on our music.
589
00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:06,792
Albert Grossman, Bob's manager,
590
00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:09,528
he had a place up
in Woodstock, New York.
591
00:37:09,895 --> 00:37:13,765
Albert was an
anomaly in the world
592
00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,867
of record business people.
593
00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:17,436
He didn't wear a suit.
594
00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:20,272
His had his hair tied back
in a ponytail.
595
00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:23,074
He looked like an overweight
Benjamin Franklin.
596
00:37:23,675 --> 00:37:25,477
Albert took very good care
of his artists.
597
00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,980
But as far as dealing with
other people, he was shrewd.
598
00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:33,585
Bob had moved up to
Woodstock, got a house.
599
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,721
Albert would go up there
on the weekends.
600
00:37:36,221 --> 00:37:39,057
So Albert says,
"come up to Woodstock.
601
00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,759
There's so much room up there.
602
00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:42,093
You can get a place.
603
00:37:42,361 --> 00:37:44,796
You can make
all the sounds you want."
604
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:50,436
It was a very
welcoming possibility.
605
00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:52,871
606
00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:56,141
607
00:37:56,775 --> 00:38:00,446
Rick found US this
ugly pink house.
608
00:38:03,982 --> 00:38:06,117
This is just what I've been
609
00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:09,321
dreaming about
all these years...
610
00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:14,660
A sanctuary that we could
go and write and create.
611
00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,828
612
00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:20,932
Oh, my god, I mean, a...
613
00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:22,934
Pretty corny house, you know?
614
00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:24,503
But it was perfect.
615
00:38:28,173 --> 00:38:30,709
So we moved up
to Woodstock.
616
00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,311
We built a little studio
617
00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:36,682
in the basement,
just for writing purposes.
618
00:38:37,182 --> 00:38:41,820
Garth, Richard, and Rick
moved into this house.
619
00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:45,757
I called Bob,
and I drive him out there
620
00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:47,192
to show him the place.
621
00:38:47,759 --> 00:38:50,496
And he comes in
and he looks at this basement,
622
00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:53,465
and he sees all the instruments
set up there,
623
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,301
a little tape recorder,
some microphones.
624
00:38:56,435 --> 00:39:00,506
He says, "can you record music
in this place?"
625
00:39:00,772 --> 00:39:03,742
And I was like, "yeah, we've got
that little tape recorder.
626
00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:06,311
It's not... you know,
a recording studio,
627
00:39:06,545 --> 00:39:08,714
but it's pretty good
for writing and stuff."
628
00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,983
He said, "listen, I've got
a couple of song ideas
629
00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:15,621
I've been kicking around.
Maybe we could try them here."
630
00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:18,824
Great! That's the spirit.
631
00:39:19,591 --> 00:39:23,695
632
00:39:23,995 --> 00:39:25,964
633
00:39:26,264 --> 00:39:27,866
634
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,835
635
00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:32,203
636
00:39:32,838 --> 00:39:34,940
637
00:39:37,476 --> 00:39:39,110
Bob would come by, you know,
638
00:39:39,244 --> 00:39:41,079
every day for about a six,
seven-month period,
639
00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:44,015
and we'd... we'd get together
every afternoon
640
00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:46,552
six to seven days a week.
And just from US
641
00:39:46,785 --> 00:39:48,687
getting together
and applying ourselves,
642
00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:53,525
- a lot does come out of that.
- In the living room,
643
00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:55,360
there was a couple
of typewriters,
644
00:39:55,494 --> 00:39:58,029
because Bob wrote songs
on a typewriter.
645
00:39:58,163 --> 00:40:00,699
And he'd say,
"guys, let's go, let's go.
646
00:40:00,832 --> 00:40:03,902
I think I got something. Let's
go." We'd all go downstairs,
647
00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:05,070
we would record it.
648
00:40:06,538 --> 00:40:08,273
No, not any Harmony,
649
00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:12,077
but Harmony in the background
like, ooh!
650
00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:19,851
- You know, just...
651
00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:23,522
652
00:40:24,022 --> 00:40:27,025
653
00:40:27,526 --> 00:40:32,163
- Let me hear you now!
654
00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:35,266
655
00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:39,137
Working with Bob,
I saw a door opening.
656
00:40:39,705 --> 00:40:42,407
He was making the possibility
657
00:40:42,541 --> 00:40:46,111
of using poetry in songwriting
658
00:40:46,244 --> 00:40:49,080
like I had never
quite seen before.
659
00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:51,883
It gave you a sense of Liberty.
660
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,753
You used to think, "I don't know
if you can do that.
661
00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:57,288
I don't know, is it all right
to say that?
662
00:40:57,422 --> 00:40:59,658
Can you express things
in that kind of way?"
663
00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:01,993
Boom, no rules.
664
00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:06,532
665
00:41:06,998 --> 00:41:18,610
666
00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:21,813
Robbie is a real artist.
667
00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:24,850
He is an amazing creative force.
668
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:27,786
I never saw him
669
00:41:27,919 --> 00:41:29,855
without a little pad of paper
and a pencil,
670
00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:32,157
writing notes about everything.
671
00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:34,626
Some thought, some idea
672
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,295
that he could use
later in a song.
673
00:41:37,763 --> 00:41:46,905
674
00:41:47,438 --> 00:41:56,648
When Dominique was
becoming my girlfriend,
675
00:41:56,982 --> 00:42:00,118
her connection
to French literature,
676
00:42:00,251 --> 00:42:02,187
poetry, music,
677
00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:04,389
was rubbing off on me.
678
00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:07,793
The path that I was
on intellectually,
679
00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:10,328
boom, she altered it,
680
00:42:10,461 --> 00:42:13,398
and I was being highly inspired
681
00:42:13,699 --> 00:42:17,235
by what she was bringing
to the table as well.
682
00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:25,577
683
00:42:26,612 --> 00:42:30,181
Albert Grossman was
thinking about getting
684
00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,150
the hawks a record deal.
685
00:42:32,283 --> 00:42:34,653
So he said, "you need to record
686
00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,255
a couple of your tunes
so I can play them
687
00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:39,257
for some record companies."
688
00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:42,060
So we went into a studio,
689
00:42:42,193 --> 00:42:44,195
and we got a session drummer.
690
00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:48,566
I was really not satisfied
with what we did.
691
00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:52,103
If you have a... a table
and one of the legs is missing,
692
00:42:52,237 --> 00:42:53,905
it doesn't sit steady.
693
00:42:54,139 --> 00:42:55,841
This was the sign,
694
00:42:55,974 --> 00:42:59,577
it's time for him to come back.
We gotta find levon.
695
00:43:00,445 --> 00:43:05,917
696
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:11,990
697
00:43:13,892 --> 00:43:15,761
We tracked him down
and we told him
698
00:43:15,894 --> 00:43:18,296
about the place we had
and that we were
699
00:43:18,429 --> 00:43:20,732
gonna get a record deal
and all of this,
700
00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:25,203
and you could hear
the joy in his voice.
701
00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:28,707
702
00:43:29,574 --> 00:43:31,710
703
00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:34,212
I remember
meeting him
704
00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:37,749
and he was such a nice guy.
He was such a charming person.
705
00:43:38,049 --> 00:43:40,085
There was a sense of relief
706
00:43:40,218 --> 00:43:42,020
in the band that he was back,
707
00:43:42,153 --> 00:43:44,322
and hopefully he would stay.
708
00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:48,359
Moved into the house there,
there was an extra spot for me,
709
00:43:48,493 --> 00:43:50,161
and uh,
started gettin' together,
710
00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:52,130
and just
putting songs together.
711
00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:54,232
I had the sense
that levon realized
712
00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:56,334
he was coming back
to a good thing.
713
00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:57,903
They were on a salary,
714
00:43:58,036 --> 00:43:59,838
they were able
to make their own music.
715
00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:02,307
Woodstock was full of young
people and lots of girls.
716
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,242
It was better than being
on an oil rig in the middle
717
00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:07,846
of the Gulf of Mexico.
Robbie played the tapes
718
00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:09,681
that they had made,
"the basement tapes".
719
00:44:09,815 --> 00:44:17,288
720
00:44:18,456 --> 00:44:24,730
Levon's reaction was
721
00:44:24,863 --> 00:44:28,700
so extraordinary.
He was blown away.
722
00:44:29,434 --> 00:44:31,269
We had never
that kind of time
723
00:44:31,402 --> 00:44:33,939
on our hands,
and there we are in the...
724
00:44:34,072 --> 00:44:36,641
In the catskills, and we don't
have a show to play that night,
725
00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:39,711
so we were enjoying it,
just sitting around, you know,
726
00:44:39,845 --> 00:44:41,847
the freedom to go down
and play some music,
727
00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:45,350
or go outside and throw a
football around at each other.
728
00:44:45,884 --> 00:44:47,652
That was just part of a...
729
00:44:47,786 --> 00:44:50,088
A lifestyle that we got to love
730
00:44:50,221 --> 00:44:53,424
in Woodstock, you know,
just being able to chop wood,
731
00:44:53,558 --> 00:44:55,727
or hit your thumb
with a hammer.
732
00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,530
We'd be concerned
with fixing the tape recorder
733
00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:01,532
and getting the songs together.
734
00:45:01,666 --> 00:45:04,535
735
00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:10,842
736
00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:16,514
We had come out
with a different sound,
737
00:45:16,647 --> 00:45:19,684
a different sensibility.
The music didn't
738
00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:22,387
sound anything like what we did
739
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,423
with Ronnie Hawkins,
like anything we did
740
00:45:25,656 --> 00:45:27,358
as levon and the hawks.
741
00:45:27,492 --> 00:45:29,928
It didn't sound like
anything we did
742
00:45:30,161 --> 00:45:34,432
with Bob Dylan
on the infamous tour, so having
743
00:45:34,565 --> 00:45:37,002
a new name felt natural as well.
744
00:45:39,037 --> 00:45:42,340
745
00:45:42,874 --> 00:45:50,448
In the town, people'd say,
746
00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:53,751
"oh, those guys, they play
with Bob. They're in the band."
747
00:45:54,019 --> 00:45:55,787
And we kept hearing,
748
00:45:56,054 --> 00:45:58,589
"the band,"
"the band," "the band."
749
00:45:58,824 --> 00:46:02,660
And it felt
unpretentious, UN-jivy,
750
00:46:03,194 --> 00:46:04,162
UN-cute.
751
00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:07,465
Just strictly the band.
752
00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:10,101
We had done a lot of
pre-production work, of course,
753
00:46:10,235 --> 00:46:13,471
at big pink. Robbie was doing
a lot of the songwriting,
754
00:46:13,604 --> 00:46:15,506
you know, and doing
a lot more homework likely
755
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,443
than the rest of US.
It was just a question of US
756
00:46:18,576 --> 00:46:20,778
arranging them,
and putting them together,
757
00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:22,647
and making them
as strong as possible
758
00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:24,015
and working together.
759
00:46:25,383 --> 00:46:27,953
760
00:46:29,387 --> 00:46:32,323
I came back
to the house one evening.
761
00:46:32,623 --> 00:46:34,559
I thought,
"I gotta do some writing
762
00:46:34,692 --> 00:46:36,828
for this record
that we're working on."
763
00:46:36,962 --> 00:46:38,897
And I'm thinking, "what am I
gonna write about?"
764
00:46:39,464 --> 00:46:41,933
And I'm sitting there
with a guitar,
765
00:46:42,067 --> 00:46:43,768
noodling around.
766
00:46:45,336 --> 00:46:48,706
I look in the guitar,
and inside,
767
00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:50,708
on Martin guitars,
768
00:46:50,842 --> 00:46:53,611
it talks about
where they're made.
769
00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:57,382
And they're made
in nazareth, Pennsylvania.
770
00:46:58,850 --> 00:47:04,055
And it just, it was
all coming to me.
771
00:47:04,622 --> 00:47:06,491
Going from Canada
772
00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:08,960
down to the Mississippi delta
773
00:47:09,094 --> 00:47:10,996
when I was 16 years old,
774
00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:15,200
characters and circumstances,
775
00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,703
all of it started
to come back to me.
776
00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:20,972
And when I got to this chorus...
777
00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:30,448
And I could hear these voices...
778
00:47:30,982 --> 00:47:34,619
779
00:47:35,653 --> 00:47:38,623
And the whole thing
just blended together.
780
00:47:38,756 --> 00:47:40,791
781
00:47:49,167 --> 00:47:51,036
782
00:47:51,736 --> 00:47:54,772
783
00:47:55,806 --> 00:47:58,009
784
00:47:58,409 --> 00:48:01,779
785
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,482
786
00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:07,552
787
00:48:08,853 --> 00:48:11,756
788
00:48:12,023 --> 00:48:13,558
789
00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:22,700
We discovered a whole
790
00:48:23,034 --> 00:48:25,770
vocal thing that we weren't
aware that we even had.
791
00:48:26,104 --> 00:48:31,309
792
00:48:36,047 --> 00:48:37,782
I remember
listening to playbacks
793
00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:40,685
after the sessions
of songs and thinking,
794
00:48:41,319 --> 00:48:43,454
"I really like this stuff.
795
00:48:43,754 --> 00:48:47,025
And... I don't have
anything to compare it to,
796
00:48:47,158 --> 00:48:49,794
but I really like it,
and I hope everybody else does
797
00:48:50,028 --> 00:48:51,796
'cause I really think
this is strong."
798
00:48:52,263 --> 00:48:56,801
799
00:48:58,569 --> 00:49:03,141
800
00:49:04,976 --> 00:49:07,278
801
00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:10,615
802
00:49:11,549 --> 00:49:13,918
803
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,292
804
00:49:26,564 --> 00:49:31,702
I was very excited
playing this record for Bob.
805
00:49:32,003 --> 00:49:34,505
He hadn't heard a note of it.
806
00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:36,474
"The weight" comes on.
807
00:49:36,741 --> 00:49:38,809
He's like, "wait a minute.
Who wrote that?"
808
00:49:38,943 --> 00:49:40,811
And I said,
"I... I wrote that."
809
00:49:40,945 --> 00:49:44,582
He said, "you wrote that?"
And I could just see
810
00:49:44,715 --> 00:49:47,318
the pride in his eyes.
811
00:49:47,618 --> 00:49:49,987
812
00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:53,391
813
00:49:54,325 --> 00:49:56,461
814
00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:59,664
815
00:50:00,931 --> 00:50:03,368
816
00:50:04,802 --> 00:50:06,537
817
00:50:06,937 --> 00:50:10,841
818
00:50:11,342 --> 00:50:13,111
I think
I was in a little coffee shop
819
00:50:13,244 --> 00:50:16,214
in redbank, New Jersey.
Kid came in
820
00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:19,284
with music from big pink
and put it on the sound system.
821
00:50:19,417 --> 00:50:20,951
It was late at night, after...
822
00:50:21,152 --> 00:50:23,188
After the place was
about to close down,
823
00:50:23,454 --> 00:50:25,022
which was a fantastic moment
824
00:50:25,156 --> 00:50:27,825
to be introduced
to that music, you know?
825
00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:30,728
And suddenly this music comes on
and everything changes.
826
00:50:30,861 --> 00:50:33,731
827
00:50:33,998 --> 00:50:36,601
828
00:50:37,001 --> 00:50:41,539
829
00:50:42,307 --> 00:50:44,209
When I heard
big pink, it was as if someone
830
00:50:44,342 --> 00:50:46,711
had like, nailed me
through the chest to the wall.
831
00:50:46,944 --> 00:50:49,647
I was just
immediately converted.
832
00:50:50,047 --> 00:50:53,251
That was when cream was
in its sort of, uh, mid-stage
833
00:50:53,518 --> 00:50:56,187
and pretty much severed
my connection with the other two
834
00:50:56,321 --> 00:50:59,590
in the band. And I thought,
"this is what I wanna do."
835
00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:02,193
- It changed my life.
- They weren't
836
00:51:02,327 --> 00:51:04,462
reading out of
the modern book of music.
837
00:51:04,595 --> 00:51:06,364
They went to the source.
838
00:51:06,664 --> 00:51:08,766
You'd say in the Caribbean,
"they was musical
839
00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:10,868
to the core, to the bone".
840
00:51:11,202 --> 00:51:14,004
If there was
any American musicians
841
00:51:14,305 --> 00:51:17,342
that were comparable
to what the Beatles were,
842
00:51:18,042 --> 00:51:21,011
- it would've been them.
843
00:51:21,146 --> 00:51:25,450
844
00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:27,918
845
00:51:28,186 --> 00:51:30,755
846
00:51:32,557 --> 00:51:35,760
This is the middle
of psychedelic era
847
00:51:35,893 --> 00:51:38,095
in popular music,
so something comes along
848
00:51:38,229 --> 00:51:41,366
that is the antithesis
of where music had been moving.
849
00:51:41,499 --> 00:51:43,701
Here come all these voices
that sound
850
00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:45,603
like you've never
heard them before,
851
00:51:45,836 --> 00:51:48,739
and like they've always
been there, forever and ever.
852
00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:53,043
853
00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,447
854
00:51:56,881 --> 00:52:00,451
855
00:52:00,718 --> 00:52:03,521
856
00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:07,592
857
00:52:07,925 --> 00:52:16,767
858
00:52:18,369 --> 00:52:20,471
It was very
clear the moment I met them
859
00:52:20,605 --> 00:52:22,340
who they were
and what they were about.
860
00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:23,941
They were very grounded.
861
00:52:24,141 --> 00:52:26,344
They were very strong.
They were very secure.
862
00:52:26,577 --> 00:52:28,813
They were gracious,
like country people
863
00:52:28,946 --> 00:52:30,715
are gracious,
and they were totally in love
864
00:52:30,848 --> 00:52:33,050
with their music, and they were
in love with each other.
865
00:52:33,618 --> 00:52:36,321
I never saw any jealousy,
I never saw any arguments,
866
00:52:36,454 --> 00:52:38,656
I never saw them disagree.
It was always
867
00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:41,359
supporting each other.
They were five brothers,
868
00:52:41,492 --> 00:52:43,528
very clearly five brothers
who loved each other,
869
00:52:43,661 --> 00:52:47,332
and I never saw
anything but that. In the '60s,
870
00:52:47,598 --> 00:52:49,033
part of the rebellion
871
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,537
was rejecting one's elders,
rejecting one's parents.
872
00:52:53,304 --> 00:52:55,840
The guys in the band
wanted to say,
873
00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:58,509
"hey, that's not right.
We love our parents.
874
00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:01,546
"They worked very hard
to bring US up
875
00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:03,514
and care for US." And so
876
00:53:03,814 --> 00:53:07,318
they wanted to have a picture
of their families in the album.
877
00:53:07,452 --> 00:53:20,164
878
00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:27,972
It was a magical
time within this group.
879
00:53:28,473 --> 00:53:29,874
We're getting somewhere.
880
00:53:34,879 --> 00:53:37,715
They made big pink and then
Robbie said, "we wanna go out
881
00:53:37,848 --> 00:53:42,353
on the road." But then Rick
drove his car into a ditch...
882
00:53:44,489 --> 00:53:45,756
...and broke his neck.
883
00:53:47,858 --> 00:53:50,861
It was
a terrible car accident.
884
00:53:51,296 --> 00:53:54,432
Rick was found
wandering in the woods,
885
00:53:54,565 --> 00:53:57,067
which is pretty extraordinary
for someone who has
886
00:53:57,201 --> 00:54:00,204
just broken his neck. He was
887
00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:03,408
taken to the hospital
and put in traction for
888
00:54:03,708 --> 00:54:05,710
the longest time. We were all
889
00:54:05,843 --> 00:54:08,112
quite scared as to
whether he would recover.
890
00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:11,248
We're canceling everything.
891
00:54:11,916 --> 00:54:13,784
Everything just stopped.
892
00:54:14,619 --> 00:54:17,722
Music from big pink
becomes this thing,
893
00:54:17,988 --> 00:54:20,458
and we don't show up.
We never play a concert.
894
00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,893
They're like,
"who are these guys?"
895
00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:28,933
We were becoming
the most mysterious people
896
00:54:29,066 --> 00:54:30,901
in the music business.
897
00:54:32,403 --> 00:54:34,572
After we recorded big pink,
898
00:54:34,705 --> 00:54:36,441
there is that thing of like,
899
00:54:36,574 --> 00:54:40,010
"whoa, what do we do now?
Can we follow that up?"
900
00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:45,350
I was working day and
night on musical ideas.
901
00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:48,753
Rick got out of the hospital,
and then
902
00:54:48,886 --> 00:54:50,955
boom, we were back
in the studio.
903
00:54:51,522 --> 00:54:59,129
904
00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:01,466
You hear
timeless songwriting,
905
00:55:01,732 --> 00:55:03,901
painting pictures
and telling stories,
906
00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:06,103
a cohesion
907
00:55:06,236 --> 00:55:08,072
which is greater
than the sum of the parts.
908
00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:10,875
They were the very first band
909
00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:12,943
who got it together
in a country house,
910
00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:14,845
which became a big thing.
911
00:55:15,245 --> 00:55:17,348
When you shut out
the rest of the world
912
00:55:17,482 --> 00:55:19,984
and the city,
and just concentrate on...
913
00:55:20,117 --> 00:55:23,220
Music-making and performing
and each other,
914
00:55:23,888 --> 00:55:25,923
you get
a different sort of result.
915
00:55:27,392 --> 00:55:31,462
916
00:55:31,796 --> 00:55:34,765
Taking some
of that roots music,
917
00:55:34,899 --> 00:55:38,469
a little bit of muddy waters,
a little bit of Hank Williams,
918
00:55:38,803 --> 00:55:41,305
no long guitar solos, it was
919
00:55:41,439 --> 00:55:43,207
just simple,
straightforward music.
920
00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,743
Nowadays we call it americana.
921
00:55:50,548 --> 00:55:51,782
I was in Boston.
922
00:55:51,916 --> 00:55:53,283
I was sleeping on a couch,
923
00:55:53,418 --> 00:55:54,885
and it was
"I shall be released"
924
00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:56,654
was what came on.
925
00:55:57,154 --> 00:55:59,390
I thought, "oh yeah, there's...
There's something. I'm
926
00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:01,826
connecting with something here."
That's what I thought.
927
00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,463
I got an impression there was
a lot of mythology going on.
928
00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:10,535
929
00:56:11,869 --> 00:56:16,073
You'd never really
heard a sound like that.
930
00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:19,043
It also it reminded me greatly
931
00:56:19,176 --> 00:56:21,712
of 19th century literature,
American literature.
932
00:56:21,979 --> 00:56:25,683
933
00:56:26,451 --> 00:56:29,186
934
00:56:29,654 --> 00:56:34,559
935
00:56:34,825 --> 00:56:37,394
Particularly melville.
There's something
936
00:56:37,528 --> 00:56:40,130
about the melville stories,
and the sense of...
937
00:56:40,364 --> 00:56:43,534
Searching the band brings
to mind for me.
938
00:56:43,668 --> 00:56:46,403
Each song is like
a little John steinbeck novel.
939
00:56:46,771 --> 00:56:49,373
Steinbeck also gives you
these images of america,
940
00:56:49,507 --> 00:56:51,108
of dustbowl america.
941
00:56:51,609 --> 00:56:58,783
942
00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:01,952
I spent quite a bit of time
943
00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:04,689
with the band, and one of the
things that Robbie said to me
944
00:57:04,822 --> 00:57:06,891
was the fact that when he wrote
a tune, he had
945
00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:09,059
all these different singers
who could sing the song.
946
00:57:09,193 --> 00:57:12,296
And he could write lyrics,
like, to write a song
947
00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,465
knowing that levon
was gonna sing it.
948
00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,001
You know, you could be...
You could write much different
949
00:57:17,134 --> 00:57:19,069
to knowing if you were gonna
have to do it yourself.
950
00:57:19,203 --> 00:57:25,242
When they came together,
something happened
951
00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:28,546
that could not have occurred
on their own
952
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:30,481
or individually.
You know, something...
953
00:57:31,415 --> 00:57:32,783
Miraculous occurred.
954
00:57:34,118 --> 00:57:38,556
955
00:57:43,828 --> 00:57:46,631
We were booked
to play our first job
956
00:57:46,764 --> 00:57:50,467
as the band at winterland,
in San Francisco,
957
00:57:50,668 --> 00:57:52,503
with bill Graham presenting.
958
00:57:54,171 --> 00:57:56,173
We went
up to San Francisco, like,
959
00:57:56,306 --> 00:58:00,410
two days early.
Robbie is sick as a dog.
960
00:58:01,111 --> 00:58:04,849
I'm completely drained
961
00:58:04,982 --> 00:58:08,853
and it hits me: The last time
we played together,
962
00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:12,056
everybody boos US
everywhere we go, right?
963
00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:15,726
Am I having some kind
of stage fright thing?
964
00:58:16,761 --> 00:58:19,697
He's got a fever of 103.
965
00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:23,033
I'm saying to bill Graham,
"we've gotta cancel. I'm sorry."
966
00:58:23,601 --> 00:58:26,704
Bill Graham says,
"impossible. There is
967
00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:29,540
no way in the world
that we can cancel this."
968
00:58:30,307 --> 00:58:32,276
And finally bill says,
969
00:58:32,409 --> 00:58:35,345
"what do you think
about the idea
970
00:58:35,479 --> 00:58:37,848
of US bringing in a hypnotist?"
971
00:58:41,018 --> 00:58:43,854
A little guy,
about 5'8",
972
00:58:43,988 --> 00:58:46,691
black suit, white carnation,
shows up,
973
00:58:46,957 --> 00:58:48,659
and he puts him under.
974
00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,163
And he's saying,
"your stomach will feel
975
00:58:53,297 --> 00:58:55,032
as calm as a lake.
976
00:58:55,232 --> 00:58:58,703
Your head feels
as cool as a winter breeze."
977
00:59:00,671 --> 00:59:03,307
The next thing
I know, my head doesn't feel
978
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,310
so bad. And I'm thinking,
979
00:59:06,443 --> 00:59:09,246
"I'll be damned,
I'm actually feeling
980
00:59:09,513 --> 00:59:13,250
stronger and better
than I was before."
981
00:59:14,018 --> 00:59:15,285
He says,
982
00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:17,855
"any time you start
to feel too weak,
983
00:59:17,988 --> 00:59:19,724
you look over at me
984
00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:23,728
and I'm gonna say
to you, 'grow.'"
985
00:59:24,061 --> 00:59:26,597
986
00:59:57,094 --> 01:00:01,531
And the crowd is yelling
and we're playing.
987
01:00:01,832 --> 01:00:06,103
And I look over at him
and he goes, "grow."
988
01:00:07,872 --> 01:00:10,808
This guy had
to be onstage with Robbie.
989
01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:13,644
This was the first concert
I'd ever experienced with them,
990
01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,512
so... what did I know?
But I did,
991
01:00:15,646 --> 01:00:17,982
I know that usually there's not
a hypnotist onstage.
992
01:00:18,916 --> 01:00:24,689
Everybody got their
own starring moment.
993
01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:26,590
Rick had his songs.
994
01:00:26,824 --> 01:00:28,993
Garth got to do "chest fever,"
995
01:00:29,293 --> 01:00:31,128
and Richard was brilliant.
996
01:00:31,395 --> 01:00:33,630
So in those first
year and a half,
997
01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:37,167
- it was amazing.
998
01:00:38,302 --> 01:00:42,306
999
01:00:42,606 --> 01:00:45,910
1000
01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:51,882
1001
01:00:52,182 --> 01:00:54,451
1002
01:00:57,587 --> 01:00:59,523
Well, when we first
went out on tour,
1003
01:00:59,824 --> 01:01:01,859
they were famous
because of their relationship
1004
01:01:01,992 --> 01:01:05,262
with Bob Dylan, but here they
were now as themselves.
1005
01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:09,333
This was the band.
That brought about a fame
1006
01:01:09,466 --> 01:01:11,501
to them that they had
never had before.
1007
01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:14,271
Announcer: Folks, the band.
1008
01:01:14,404 --> 01:01:17,441
1009
01:01:33,657 --> 01:01:39,529
1010
01:01:40,097 --> 01:01:42,299
And I got the
chance to go and meet Robbie.
1011
01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,969
And I went up to Woodstock
to hang with him.
1012
01:01:45,169 --> 01:01:47,972
And the reason I went up there
was to pluck up the nerve
1013
01:01:48,105 --> 01:01:50,040
to ask him
if I could join the band.
1014
01:01:50,174 --> 01:01:52,609
Maybe they needed
a rhythm guitar player!
1015
01:02:00,317 --> 01:02:04,454
And I was wearing pink
boots and I had curly hair,
1016
01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:06,190
just psychedelic. And they were
1017
01:02:06,323 --> 01:02:07,858
kinda really earthy.
1018
01:02:08,692 --> 01:02:10,527
And I was saying,
"well, let's jam."
1019
01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:11,896
And he said, "we don't jam."
1020
01:02:12,129 --> 01:02:13,898
So it was a songwriting outfit.
1021
01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:19,870
Robbie's listening to the way
1022
01:02:20,004 --> 01:02:21,906
that each of them play,
but the way they worked
1023
01:02:22,106 --> 01:02:23,974
as a unit was,
like, incredible.
1024
01:02:24,108 --> 01:02:25,876
Rick was pretty dynamic,
1025
01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:27,778
and he was
a very powerful energy.
1026
01:02:27,912 --> 01:02:31,949
Garth was shy, and I
fell in love with Richard.
1027
01:02:32,082 --> 01:02:35,385
He was the most mournful,
soulful thing I'd ever heard.
1028
01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,588
1029
01:02:40,324 --> 01:02:43,427
1030
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:48,265
1031
01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:53,170
1032
01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:58,909
God, Richard was
such a sensitive man.
1033
01:02:59,443 --> 01:03:01,278
Like a wounded bird.
1034
01:03:01,879 --> 01:03:04,614
But a beautiful, beautiful soul.
1035
01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:07,151
He was very fragile,
1036
01:03:07,284 --> 01:03:09,053
and we liked to drink together.
1037
01:03:09,619 --> 01:03:12,789
When you put US together,
there was an instant bond.
1038
01:03:13,257 --> 01:03:15,960
Robbie, in a way,
was kind of outside of that
1039
01:03:16,093 --> 01:03:18,262
because I saw Robbie
as the straight guy.
1040
01:03:18,395 --> 01:03:20,898
He was a guy
who we could drink with,
1041
01:03:21,031 --> 01:03:23,600
but at some point,
he would lose interest in that,
1042
01:03:23,733 --> 01:03:26,003
you know, whereas me and Richard
were the kind of people
1043
01:03:26,136 --> 01:03:27,872
that we would like
to drink together,
1044
01:03:28,005 --> 01:03:30,707
but we'd drink... we'd like
drinking even more on our own.
1045
01:03:34,111 --> 01:03:36,046
Just when the band
was really hitting,
1046
01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:40,417
the difference between Robbie
and the rest of the band was
1047
01:03:40,617 --> 01:03:44,121
his family was
incredibly important to him.
1048
01:03:44,254 --> 01:03:45,856
He already had a baby.
1049
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:49,159
Dominique was
this incredibly vital,
1050
01:03:49,293 --> 01:03:51,996
smart woman that he liked
hanging with.
1051
01:03:52,129 --> 01:03:55,832
She was incredibly beautiful.
And the rest of the guys
1052
01:03:55,966 --> 01:03:59,703
were still trying to figure out
did they want a family or not?
1053
01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:02,306
And they were consuming
a lot of drugs,
1054
01:04:02,672 --> 01:04:03,974
playing a lot,
1055
01:04:04,508 --> 01:04:06,977
drinking too much, you know,
everything else.
1056
01:04:08,012 --> 01:04:10,180
In Woodstock, it was...
1057
01:04:10,414 --> 01:04:14,151
At one point, car accidents.
And the phone ringing
1058
01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,486
in the middle of the night
to say this one or that one
1059
01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:19,823
had totaled the car
or was in the ditch.
1060
01:04:22,359 --> 01:04:24,394
Rick, he was lucky, you know,
1061
01:04:24,528 --> 01:04:26,663
but it became far too
1062
01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:30,067
often that there were
situations like that.
1063
01:04:32,002 --> 01:04:34,204
I had this mustang
1064
01:04:34,972 --> 01:04:36,540
that Robbie had bought,
1065
01:04:37,341 --> 01:04:39,209
and Richard wanted to drive it.
1066
01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:42,346
I said,
"really, can you do it?"
1067
01:04:42,479 --> 01:04:45,882
And he said, "well, I sober up
behind the wheel."
1068
01:04:48,485 --> 01:04:50,720
And I said,
"please, don't go so fast,
1069
01:04:50,854 --> 01:04:52,589
you know, can you see?
Can you see?"
1070
01:04:52,722 --> 01:04:55,059
And he said,
"oh, I can see like a lynx."
1071
01:04:58,095 --> 01:05:00,864
You know,
and I was naive, frankly.
1072
01:05:01,198 --> 01:05:05,402
We hit this curve,
and it was like every...
1073
01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:08,138
Hit every cement pole
in the curve.
1074
01:05:10,374 --> 01:05:11,841
We ended up in the ditch.
1075
01:05:13,343 --> 01:05:15,112
Then Richard lit a match.
1076
01:05:16,981 --> 01:05:19,383
And I thought,
"you're gonna blow the car.
1077
01:05:19,516 --> 01:05:21,851
We have to get out."
Push. "Get out. Get out."
1078
01:05:25,222 --> 01:05:27,091
We were
at big pink and somebody
1079
01:05:27,224 --> 01:05:29,159
came rushing up and said...
1080
01:05:29,459 --> 01:05:32,129
"Richard's just had an accident
and he's crashed a new car."
1081
01:05:32,629 --> 01:05:35,299
Levon you know,
jumps into his corvette
1082
01:05:35,966 --> 01:05:37,667
and rushes to the scene,
1083
01:05:37,901 --> 01:05:40,337
and accidentally crashes
into the police car.
1084
01:05:42,906 --> 01:05:45,742
The cop threw levon
on the back of a car.
1085
01:05:46,043 --> 01:05:48,745
I think they handcuffed him.
I don't know how long
1086
01:05:48,878 --> 01:05:53,050
it took me, you know,
to really absorb the shock.
1087
01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:58,622
Richard could've
killed Dominique.
1088
01:05:59,389 --> 01:06:00,624
What do you say?
1089
01:06:01,125 --> 01:06:02,392
It pissed me off.
1090
01:06:03,727 --> 01:06:06,763
But it was something
that we weren't educated in
1091
01:06:06,896 --> 01:06:09,899
at the time,
of dealing with alcoholism.
1092
01:06:10,567 --> 01:06:13,537
And all the things
that you think you should do
1093
01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:17,741
is mostly the things that you
should absolutely not do.
1094
01:06:17,874 --> 01:06:20,944
1095
01:06:21,378 --> 01:06:23,147
1096
01:06:24,281 --> 01:06:28,452
1097
01:06:29,486 --> 01:06:31,188
1098
01:06:32,589 --> 01:06:36,360
And after that, there
was a whole period
1099
01:06:36,493 --> 01:06:38,195
where he didn't
hardly drink at all.
1100
01:06:38,628 --> 01:06:41,131
So we were holding it at bay.
1101
01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:20,504
By this point, there was
an experimenting going on
1102
01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:23,473
that led to heroin.
1103
01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:27,644
And I was confused
that the guys wanted
1104
01:07:27,844 --> 01:07:30,080
to play with that fire.
1105
01:07:31,648 --> 01:07:34,384
That was devastating.
Nobody had
1106
01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:37,421
any understanding of addiction,
1107
01:07:37,554 --> 01:07:41,425
that it's a mental disorder.
And at the time,
1108
01:07:41,558 --> 01:07:43,460
it felt very much
like a betrayal.
1109
01:07:44,528 --> 01:07:47,030
Robbie might've used,
1110
01:07:47,164 --> 01:07:49,766
he might've drank, he might've
tried different things,
1111
01:07:49,899 --> 01:07:52,169
but he did not have that gene
1112
01:07:52,302 --> 01:07:55,672
that would cause him
to become an addict.
1113
01:07:58,007 --> 01:07:59,443
He had a vision,
1114
01:07:59,576 --> 01:08:00,844
and nothing
was gonna get in the way
1115
01:08:00,977 --> 01:08:02,179
of the vision.
1116
01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:07,451
If you think about
the summer of 1969 into 1970,
1117
01:08:07,684 --> 01:08:10,254
music from big pink,
I think Robbie wrote
1118
01:08:10,387 --> 01:08:14,291
less than half the songs.
By the brown album,
1119
01:08:14,424 --> 01:08:16,693
he wrote maybe two thirds
of the songs.
1120
01:08:16,826 --> 01:08:20,029
By stage fright, he was
writing all of the songs.
1121
01:08:20,497 --> 01:08:22,966
And it wasn't that
he wanted to do that.
1122
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,535
Robbie would start
writing, like,
1123
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:28,738
at ten in the morning.
And to be honest,
1124
01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,708
levon, and Rick, and Richard,
were still asleep.
1125
01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:34,811
I loved writing with Richard.
1126
01:08:35,545 --> 01:08:38,448
Richard had a beautiful,
melodic ear,
1127
01:08:38,815 --> 01:08:41,285
and he would come up with
chord changes
1128
01:08:41,418 --> 01:08:42,786
I would never find,
1129
01:08:43,052 --> 01:08:48,425
but somehow it just
wasn't happening for him,
1130
01:08:48,625 --> 01:08:53,029
and if I pushed too hard,
it made him feel bad.
1131
01:08:53,797 --> 01:08:55,832
With Richard,
it was really poignant.
1132
01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:58,368
I very clearly remember Robbie
1133
01:08:58,502 --> 01:09:01,338
pleading with Richard, asking
him, do you have anything?
1134
01:09:01,638 --> 01:09:04,508
Anything to add to the song?
Richard just didn't have it.
1135
01:09:04,641 --> 01:09:06,276
He didn't have
anything to offer.
1136
01:09:07,744 --> 01:09:10,447
It was up to Robbie
and garth, primarily,
1137
01:09:10,580 --> 01:09:13,783
to keep driving
the basic creative force,
1138
01:09:13,917 --> 01:09:18,021
and hoping that their friends
would keep on.
1139
01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:21,291
During the recording
of stage fright,
1140
01:09:21,425 --> 01:09:23,126
heroin was being used.
1141
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,995
It had an effect on their
energy, their ability
1142
01:09:26,129 --> 01:09:29,366
to be present. Levon
would sometimes be
1143
01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:32,269
nodded out upstairs, and it was
a little sad, you know,
1144
01:09:32,402 --> 01:09:34,938
because he would come down,
and you could still see a look
1145
01:09:35,071 --> 01:09:37,241
in his eye that was
a little strange,
1146
01:09:37,374 --> 01:09:38,842
and it was-- it was difficult.
1147
01:09:40,810 --> 01:09:43,913
This is very different
from the very energetic levon
1148
01:09:44,047 --> 01:09:46,750
that I used to know,
who was always very wiry,
1149
01:09:46,883 --> 01:09:48,685
always up for action,
1150
01:09:48,818 --> 01:09:51,020
up for going after it,
whatever it may be,
1151
01:09:52,389 --> 01:09:55,759
and now it was like sleepy time.
That's not easy to deal with.
1152
01:09:56,893 --> 01:09:59,095
It's hard to connect
with somebody
1153
01:09:59,229 --> 01:10:01,865
who's doing that,
it's hard to trust,
1154
01:10:01,998 --> 01:10:05,602
it's hard to really keep
a friendship going.
1155
01:10:05,735 --> 01:10:09,506
It was beginning to feel
like a real fracture.
1156
01:10:11,007 --> 01:10:13,142
One day I said to levon,
1157
01:10:13,277 --> 01:10:16,012
"I can see what's going on.
I know you."
1158
01:10:16,513 --> 01:10:20,317
And he was doing
the junkie denial
1159
01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:23,887
and explaining
and making excuses
1160
01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:27,090
and laughing
and slapping me on the back,
1161
01:10:27,391 --> 01:10:30,694
and I'd never had this kind of
an encounter with him before.
1162
01:10:32,829 --> 01:10:35,865
We don't do that.
We don't lie to one another.
1163
01:10:38,702 --> 01:10:44,073
I still loved him, but
something got broken
1164
01:10:44,207 --> 01:10:46,776
in that. It was like glass,
1165
01:10:47,577 --> 01:10:50,146
it was hard to put back
together again.
1166
01:10:52,015 --> 01:10:54,083
It was not just
an exasperation,
1167
01:10:54,217 --> 01:10:57,654
it was a feeling that Robbie
could lose everything.
1168
01:10:58,955 --> 01:11:02,158
That brotherhood,
that friendship,
1169
01:11:02,292 --> 01:11:05,895
that bond, that love
that they had for each other.
1170
01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:07,397
They were terrific guys,
1171
01:11:07,531 --> 01:11:10,066
I loved them myself,
all of them,
1172
01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,969
but when you begin
to function out of fear
1173
01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:15,972
of losing something,
it's maddening.
1174
01:11:16,706 --> 01:11:19,876
I think I wanted something
that I couldn't have,
1175
01:11:20,009 --> 01:11:23,046
which was normalcy
and a regular schedule.
1176
01:11:23,246 --> 01:11:28,084
After the children were born,
my focus changed entirely.
1177
01:11:28,217 --> 01:11:31,755
1178
01:11:34,358 --> 01:11:36,693
1179
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,895
1180
01:11:41,431 --> 01:11:44,901
1181
01:11:46,169 --> 01:11:50,374
Our children
were elevating my life,
1182
01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:52,442
they were making everything
1183
01:11:52,576 --> 01:11:55,779
have a beautiful aura
around it,
1184
01:11:55,912 --> 01:11:58,314
except when
I had to go to work,
1185
01:11:58,748 --> 01:12:03,853
and then this darkness,
this cloud came back overhead.
1186
01:12:04,621 --> 01:12:07,357
My family was my saving grace.
1187
01:12:08,091 --> 01:12:12,195
1188
01:12:14,263 --> 01:12:17,667
1189
01:12:19,002 --> 01:12:28,177
I had to go from Woodstock
out to Los Angeles,
1190
01:12:28,311 --> 01:12:31,648
and while I was out there,
I got a message
1191
01:12:32,115 --> 01:12:35,619
that this guy who had
a record company
1192
01:12:35,752 --> 01:12:39,789
wanted to meet with me,
and his name was David geffen.
1193
01:12:40,089 --> 01:12:42,726
1194
01:12:48,732 --> 01:12:54,337
1195
01:12:54,838 --> 01:12:56,740
In every band,
there is someone
1196
01:12:56,873 --> 01:12:58,908
who ends up being the leader
one way or the other.
1197
01:12:59,042 --> 01:13:00,944
Usually, the star
is the lead singer.
1198
01:13:01,244 --> 01:13:02,278
In the band, it wasn't.
1199
01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,415
Robbie's a star.
You put him in any group,
1200
01:13:05,549 --> 01:13:07,383
Robbie'll start talking,
and telling stories,
1201
01:13:07,517 --> 01:13:09,886
and performing,
and he's a star.
1202
01:13:10,987 --> 01:13:14,891
David geffen was
a manager, a record executive.
1203
01:13:15,692 --> 01:13:19,663
He thought if he could get Bob
Dylan to his record company,
1204
01:13:19,796 --> 01:13:23,700
that would cement him as the
king of the music business.
1205
01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:27,571
David saw Robbie as a way
to make that happen.
1206
01:13:28,438 --> 01:13:31,040
He started romancing Robbie.
1207
01:13:33,142 --> 01:13:36,446
David was incredibly candid,
1208
01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:38,748
incredibly straightforward,
1209
01:13:39,215 --> 01:13:41,384
and back in Woodstock,
in the world
1210
01:13:41,518 --> 01:13:45,188
of Albert Grossman,
and of Bob Dylan,
1211
01:13:45,321 --> 01:13:47,557
a lot was left unsaid.
1212
01:13:48,391 --> 01:13:50,960
There was something
about meeting with David
1213
01:13:51,094 --> 01:13:52,462
that was so open.
1214
01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:54,430
I remember
saying to Robbie,
1215
01:13:54,564 --> 01:13:57,834
of all the places you could
live, why pick Woodstock?
1216
01:13:57,967 --> 01:13:59,869
Because Albert Grossman
lives here?
1217
01:14:00,470 --> 01:14:02,639
I thought it was a shithole,
I mean, I hated it.
1218
01:14:03,406 --> 01:14:06,109
I suggested to Robbie
that he move to Malibu.
1219
01:14:06,710 --> 01:14:09,479
1220
01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:12,048
1221
01:14:12,315 --> 01:14:18,054
1222
01:14:18,522 --> 01:14:22,125
If you could imagine, that
move to Malibu, sight unseen,
1223
01:14:22,526 --> 01:14:24,728
it was another
twilight zone experiment.
1224
01:14:25,094 --> 01:14:26,162
You know? For me.
1225
01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:31,234
- I guess for all of US.
- Robbie loved it.
1226
01:14:31,601 --> 01:14:34,337
1227
01:14:42,211 --> 01:14:44,814
It did feel
like something fresh.
1228
01:14:45,281 --> 01:14:46,916
He woke up
every morning at the ocean,
1229
01:14:47,551 --> 01:14:49,052
his kids loved it,
1230
01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:51,955
his wife loved it. You know,
I remember Robbie saying to me,
1231
01:14:52,088 --> 01:14:54,290
what the fuck was I doing
in Woodstock?
1232
01:14:56,259 --> 01:15:00,063
I was like, I'm gonna call the
guys, tell 'em to come out here.
1233
01:15:00,196 --> 01:15:04,000
1234
01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:13,076
I thought it would be
very stimulating for Robbie,
1235
01:15:13,309 --> 01:15:14,978
I thought it would be
stimulating for the band,
1236
01:15:15,111 --> 01:15:16,479
and Bob was there.
1237
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,381
Robbie was the one
who suggested I meet him.
1238
01:15:19,315 --> 01:15:23,019
The next thing, David
geffen is saying, you know,
1239
01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:28,224
it might be a great idea
for Bob Dylan and the band
1240
01:15:28,357 --> 01:15:31,160
to play together again,
and do a tour.
1241
01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:35,632
1242
01:15:51,815 --> 01:15:54,718
Bob had basically been
in hiding in Woodstock
1243
01:15:54,851 --> 01:15:57,286
since the tour of '66.
1244
01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:00,757
David somehow managed
to convince Bob
1245
01:16:00,890 --> 01:16:02,425
to come out on the road.
1246
01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:04,093
No one
had seen Bob for years.
1247
01:16:04,227 --> 01:16:05,428
It created quite a stir.
1248
01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:07,597
It was what
David geffen wanted,
1249
01:16:07,931 --> 01:16:11,467
but David was just pure,
unleashed ambition.
1250
01:16:12,035 --> 01:16:16,372
1251
01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:22,879
1252
01:16:24,413 --> 01:16:26,349
The last time
we played together,
1253
01:16:26,549 --> 01:16:30,419
in 1966, it wasn't
very well received.
1254
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,523
Now we go out, it was embraced
1255
01:16:35,258 --> 01:16:37,393
like the second coming.
1256
01:16:37,661 --> 01:16:42,131
1257
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,271
We didn't change
a thing; The world changed.
1258
01:16:48,604 --> 01:16:49,906
It was kind of a good feeling.
1259
01:16:50,539 --> 01:16:54,010
1260
01:16:57,747 --> 01:17:00,449
1261
01:17:01,484 --> 01:17:03,753
I had signed the band
1262
01:17:03,887 --> 01:17:05,689
and Bob Dylan
to asylum records.
1263
01:17:06,155 --> 01:17:07,824
I had a handshake agreement
with them,
1264
01:17:08,091 --> 01:17:09,693
because Bob Dylan said to me,
1265
01:17:09,826 --> 01:17:12,996
"is my word good for you?"
And I thought, Bob Dylan,
1266
01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,264
he wrote "blowin' in the wind",
"the times they are a-changin'."
1267
01:17:15,899 --> 01:17:17,400
Yeah, I'll take your word.
1268
01:17:17,667 --> 01:17:20,804
1269
01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:27,076
1270
01:17:27,711 --> 01:17:29,645
What I remember
very clearly,
1271
01:17:29,779 --> 01:17:34,851
after the tour of '74,
they went on tour as the band,
1272
01:17:35,084 --> 01:17:36,485
and not with Bob Dylan.
1273
01:17:36,786 --> 01:17:38,688
1274
01:17:44,093 --> 01:17:47,530
1275
01:17:47,797 --> 01:17:56,172
1276
01:17:59,275 --> 01:18:03,046
After a while touring,
it was very noticeable
1277
01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:06,182
that there was change afoot.
1278
01:18:06,515 --> 01:18:10,720
1279
01:18:11,721 --> 01:18:14,824
We played a gig
in Cleveland...
1280
01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:22,598
...Richard had been
doing heroin,
1281
01:18:22,732 --> 01:18:24,667
and apparently
he lost his stash.
1282
01:18:25,468 --> 01:18:26,803
Sorry about the delay,
1283
01:18:26,936 --> 01:18:28,905
Richard Manuel, the pianist,
1284
01:18:29,138 --> 01:18:32,041
has taken ill, he's being
taken care of backstage.
1285
01:18:32,175 --> 01:18:34,377
The band is gonna go on in a few
minutes without Richard.
1286
01:18:34,510 --> 01:18:35,812
Hopefully he'll be fine.
1287
01:18:37,513 --> 01:18:39,916
They actually played
the concert
1288
01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:44,653
as a quartet, without Richard,
and it sounded so strange.
1289
01:18:45,221 --> 01:18:48,391
I kept seeing a lot of looks
between everybody.
1290
01:18:48,825 --> 01:18:50,994
Obviously very uncomfortable
with this.
1291
01:18:51,127 --> 01:18:55,331
1292
01:18:55,799 --> 01:18:57,700
1293
01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:00,436
These guys were soldiers,
1294
01:19:01,004 --> 01:19:04,040
but Richard Manuel
had a disease.
1295
01:19:04,673 --> 01:19:07,143
This band was a real band.
1296
01:19:07,443 --> 01:19:13,249
All those spark plugs needed to
be ignited, or it didn't work.
1297
01:19:13,616 --> 01:19:16,585
1298
01:19:17,553 --> 01:19:20,323
1299
01:19:20,924 --> 01:19:23,092
At first it was Richard
holding everybody back,
1300
01:19:23,226 --> 01:19:24,660
he wasn't able to play,
1301
01:19:24,794 --> 01:19:26,129
and that's why they called me
out there,
1302
01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:27,296
to try to scare
Richard straight.
1303
01:19:27,864 --> 01:19:29,098
Everybody, all of them
1304
01:19:29,365 --> 01:19:33,702
was good, young, honest,
solid guys, all of 'em.
1305
01:19:33,903 --> 01:19:36,973
Two or three years later, they
were different personalities.
1306
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,676
1307
01:19:41,377 --> 01:19:44,280
The rhythm section
had definitely fallen into
1308
01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:46,715
heavier drugs.
And once again,
1309
01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:49,552
it was up to Robbie
and garth, primarily.
1310
01:19:53,857 --> 01:19:56,592
Levon was doing things he'd
never done in a million years
1311
01:19:56,792 --> 01:19:58,127
if it hadn't been for drugs.
1312
01:19:58,427 --> 01:20:02,331
1313
01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:07,336
Levon often complained
about our lawyer,
1314
01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:11,975
about our manager, and it was
a kind of paranoia.
1315
01:20:12,608 --> 01:20:15,378
I would often say,
"don't worry,
1316
01:20:15,511 --> 01:20:18,514
if anybody is taking
advantage of US,
1317
01:20:18,647 --> 01:20:21,184
we are gonna stop that
immediately."
1318
01:20:22,251 --> 01:20:24,954
But a bitterness
set in with him.
1319
01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:29,525
Vivino: Levon felt something
was being taken away,
1320
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:33,329
you know? But families, man,
nobody can feud like a family.
1321
01:20:34,063 --> 01:20:36,532
Families can go
to the grave feuding.
1322
01:20:37,901 --> 01:20:40,503
If a person is getting
a little more attention,
1323
01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:43,839
resentment can set in,
you know, and jealousy.
1324
01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:49,545
Robbie kept moving forward,
and not everybody could follow.
1325
01:20:49,812 --> 01:20:53,116
1326
01:20:54,984 --> 01:20:58,054
This is different now.
This is hard.
1327
01:20:58,354 --> 01:21:00,323
This is kinda painful.
1328
01:21:02,258 --> 01:21:04,027
This could be tragic.
1329
01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:07,763
1330
01:21:08,131 --> 01:21:10,233
1331
01:21:11,034 --> 01:21:13,569
I don't know
why we're doing this.
1332
01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:20,376
Robbie told me
he just didn't wanna
1333
01:21:20,509 --> 01:21:22,411
go on the road
with a suitcase full of heroin.
1334
01:21:23,046 --> 01:21:25,514
Robbie was planning
the next step in his life.
1335
01:21:26,682 --> 01:21:29,285
I've always had that sense,
way back
1336
01:21:29,418 --> 01:21:32,488
from when we cut the first album
and we knew we had something,
1337
01:21:33,022 --> 01:21:35,258
and he said he wanted to work
with ingmar bergman.
1338
01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:37,826
That's not the usual thing
that a rock n' roller would say.
1339
01:21:37,961 --> 01:21:39,428
"I wanna work
with ingmar bergman."
1340
01:21:43,699 --> 01:21:47,736
There were many elements
that brought this to a head.
1341
01:21:48,471 --> 01:21:51,074
It wasn't only
because of drugs,
1342
01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:55,344
after you've been together
for 16 years, you think,
1343
01:21:55,578 --> 01:21:57,880
"we need to be able
to catch our breath."
1344
01:21:58,081 --> 01:22:00,916
I thought,
1345
01:22:01,484 --> 01:22:03,953
"if we could get off
the treadmill,
1346
01:22:04,087 --> 01:22:07,991
if we can go and
take care of ourselves,
1347
01:22:08,357 --> 01:22:11,027
we might be able to
come to our senses."
1348
01:22:11,627 --> 01:22:13,662
My solution was,
1349
01:22:13,796 --> 01:22:17,967
let's bring it to a culmination
in the name of music.
1350
01:22:18,101 --> 01:22:19,969
That's how we fight back
on this.
1351
01:22:20,236 --> 01:22:22,905
1352
01:22:24,073 --> 01:22:25,208
And we did.
1353
01:22:44,427 --> 01:22:46,762
The concert
came together so quickly
1354
01:22:46,895 --> 01:22:48,597
it was almost shocking.
1355
01:22:48,864 --> 01:22:51,667
I think we started planning
a month before we did it.
1356
01:22:51,934 --> 01:22:55,171
1357
01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:58,874
1358
01:23:00,076 --> 01:23:03,446
1359
01:23:04,147 --> 01:23:07,216
1360
01:23:08,851 --> 01:23:11,387
We decided to do it
with our friends.
1361
01:23:12,955 --> 01:23:15,491
And that's why we felt
comfortable
1362
01:23:15,624 --> 01:23:19,528
with the idea of doing
"the last waltz".
1363
01:23:21,097 --> 01:23:22,665
1364
01:23:23,366 --> 01:23:25,201
1365
01:23:27,170 --> 01:23:32,575
I'm thinking, we should
document it properly.
1366
01:23:32,708 --> 01:23:35,178
Let's think of some filmmaker
1367
01:23:35,378 --> 01:23:37,380
who could tell this story.
1368
01:23:38,747 --> 01:23:40,516
Robbie called me one day,
1369
01:23:40,749 --> 01:23:42,618
and he said, "these are some
of the names in the lineup:
1370
01:23:42,818 --> 01:23:46,122
Joni Mitchell, Neil young,
Van Morrison, muddy waters,
1371
01:23:46,422 --> 01:23:47,790
Eric Clapton."
1372
01:23:48,124 --> 01:23:50,126
Worse comes to worse,
the library of congress
1373
01:23:50,259 --> 01:23:53,796
will have 35mm footage of these
extraordinary people,
1374
01:23:53,929 --> 01:23:56,532
performers and artists,
and that would be it.
1375
01:23:57,166 --> 01:23:59,835
What it became, really,
it was a celebration.
1376
01:24:00,336 --> 01:24:03,872
It was a celebration. It was
all the influences of the band.
1377
01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:06,509
1378
01:24:10,879 --> 01:24:13,849
Woo! Big time, bill!
1379
01:24:14,383 --> 01:24:15,851
Big time! Big time!
1380
01:24:15,984 --> 01:24:17,553
Ronnie Hawkins,
1381
01:24:17,686 --> 01:24:20,556
when I was 17 years old
with him, I would play
1382
01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:24,560
and he would come over
and fan the guitar
1383
01:24:24,827 --> 01:24:27,796
like it's gonna go up in flames
if I don't cool it down.
1384
01:24:28,564 --> 01:24:30,733
It was just, it was
so heartwarming.
1385
01:24:31,234 --> 01:24:32,468
Aaaah!
1386
01:24:34,537 --> 01:24:36,572
I went out
with the boys a month early
1387
01:24:36,705 --> 01:24:39,408
just to see the rehearsals
because I didn't know
1388
01:24:39,542 --> 01:24:41,610
a lot of these people, I'd never
met 'em. I knew who they were,
1389
01:24:41,744 --> 01:24:42,911
big stars.
1390
01:24:43,346 --> 01:24:44,680
You see a lot
of weird things out there,
1391
01:24:45,047 --> 01:24:47,350
and they paid 35,000 cash
1392
01:24:47,483 --> 01:24:50,052
right in front of me for a
little ole bit of cocaine.
1393
01:24:50,353 --> 01:24:53,088
I snorted a couple lines
and I said, "boys,
1394
01:24:53,222 --> 01:24:54,723
there's enough flour and sugar
in this shit
1395
01:24:54,857 --> 01:24:56,091
you'll sneeze biscuits
1396
01:24:56,392 --> 01:24:57,760
for three fuckin' months
after you snort this."
1397
01:24:59,495 --> 01:25:01,464
And they ended up
buying another one.
1398
01:25:01,597 --> 01:25:06,369
1399
01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:09,272
All I remember is that it was
more of a celebration
1400
01:25:09,405 --> 01:25:10,939
than feeling sad.
1401
01:25:11,073 --> 01:25:12,708
If I didn't know all
these great-- all these people,
1402
01:25:13,776 --> 01:25:15,611
and that was a good gig,
it was fun.
1403
01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:17,180
There was no pondering it.
1404
01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,348
It was only gonna happen once.
You know, hey, presto.
1405
01:25:19,482 --> 01:25:24,253
1406
01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,992
1407
01:25:31,627 --> 01:25:37,866
It was a crazy idea,
but we prepared so well.
1408
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,437
I remember doing charts as to
how to shoot, where to shoot,
1409
01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:43,339
which camera picks up
which performer,
1410
01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:47,109
which lyric, which verse,
the chorus, what instrument.
1411
01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:49,845
I said, "we shouldn't show
the audience
1412
01:25:49,978 --> 01:25:51,447
reacting during songs.
1413
01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:52,948
We've seen it,
so we stay on the stage."
1414
01:25:53,782 --> 01:25:55,918
We had hoped to get
the way the band works,
1415
01:25:56,118 --> 01:25:58,621
the looks, the glances,
the moves.
1416
01:25:58,821 --> 01:26:01,089
So I decided to stay onstage
1417
01:26:01,224 --> 01:26:03,125
with the performers, and how
they relate to each other.
1418
01:26:03,259 --> 01:26:04,793
And that was the key
to the whole piece.
1419
01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,496
1420
01:26:08,764 --> 01:26:10,533
When I found out
who was on the bill,
1421
01:26:10,666 --> 01:26:11,867
I thought, "my god,
1422
01:26:12,134 --> 01:26:13,436
this is huge," you know?
1423
01:26:19,708 --> 01:26:21,844
The main memory
I have of that thing
1424
01:26:22,044 --> 01:26:24,580
is obviously
my strap coming off.
1425
01:26:25,314 --> 01:26:26,482
Whoa!
1426
01:26:27,216 --> 01:26:29,852
His strap broke,
so I jumped in.
1427
01:26:30,118 --> 01:26:32,521
You've gotta cover his back,
he was our guest!
1428
01:26:42,965 --> 01:26:45,968
And then he's like,
"wait a minute, pal,
1429
01:26:46,101 --> 01:26:49,238
let's not get
too fancy over there."
1430
01:27:05,688 --> 01:27:07,356
1431
01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:10,659
What I remember
about it, it was just...
1432
01:27:11,460 --> 01:27:13,161
So free, it was...
1433
01:27:13,296 --> 01:27:15,331
And I mean, nobody knew
what was gonna happen next.
1434
01:27:16,198 --> 01:27:18,133
And I loved it, I loved it.
1435
01:27:18,267 --> 01:27:19,768
I didn't want it to ever end.
1436
01:27:20,068 --> 01:27:24,273
1437
01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:27,543
1438
01:27:30,413 --> 01:27:35,117
1439
01:27:38,454 --> 01:27:41,390
1440
01:27:42,591 --> 01:27:45,628
1441
01:27:46,562 --> 01:27:51,066
1442
01:27:52,668 --> 01:27:54,269
"The last waltz"
1443
01:27:54,403 --> 01:27:58,140
was such a beautiful thank-you
1444
01:27:58,374 --> 01:28:01,910
to this wonderful journey
that we'd been on,
1445
01:28:02,044 --> 01:28:05,348
and the amazing
experiences we had.
1446
01:28:06,181 --> 01:28:09,117
The whole thing was so moving.
1447
01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:12,621
1448
01:28:13,722 --> 01:28:16,459
1449
01:28:17,593 --> 01:28:22,331
1450
01:28:35,644 --> 01:28:37,145
Thank you very much.
1451
01:28:40,148 --> 01:28:43,452
- Thank you.
- Thank you very much.
1452
01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,644
1453
01:29:10,746 --> 01:29:13,348
1454
01:29:15,083 --> 01:29:18,153
1455
01:29:19,254 --> 01:29:22,057
1456
01:29:22,725 --> 01:29:24,993
We need a little bit more
of the harp
1457
01:29:25,794 --> 01:29:29,197
in the intro and in
the first turnaround.
1458
01:29:29,498 --> 01:29:32,435
You want a little bit more,
like, grit on it, or...
1459
01:29:32,568 --> 01:29:36,104
Yeah, just a little
more atmosphere. Not so dry.
1460
01:29:36,371 --> 01:29:37,840
Yeah, got it.
1461
01:29:40,242 --> 01:29:43,245
1462
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,182
We did "the last waltz"
1463
01:29:47,683 --> 01:29:51,587
with the idea that
we would put that away,
1464
01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,756
take care of one another a bit,
1465
01:29:54,389 --> 01:29:58,026
and really come back
together again
1466
01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,430
and make music like
we had never made before.
1467
01:30:01,564 --> 01:30:04,533
That was our dream.
That was the idea.
1468
01:30:06,234 --> 01:30:09,037
Everybody just forgot
to come back.
1469
01:30:10,873 --> 01:30:13,208
1470
01:30:15,077 --> 01:30:17,680
1471
01:30:20,015 --> 01:30:22,585
1472
01:30:23,886 --> 01:30:26,489
1473
01:30:30,292 --> 01:30:31,660
I was the first one
1474
01:30:31,894 --> 01:30:33,261
who was heartbroken,
in a way,
1475
01:30:33,395 --> 01:30:35,263
because I loved
the band so much,
1476
01:30:36,098 --> 01:30:37,566
you know, and it felt like
1477
01:30:37,700 --> 01:30:40,268
it's closing this book,
this chapter.
1478
01:30:41,737 --> 01:30:43,572
If somebody had said,
1479
01:30:43,706 --> 01:30:45,908
I've got a couple
of tunes started,
1480
01:30:46,041 --> 01:30:51,313
we're dying to go in
and create some music,
1481
01:30:52,447 --> 01:30:54,282
I would've said yes in a minute.
1482
01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:56,585
By that time
1483
01:30:56,952 --> 01:30:58,320
I don't think you could've
kept the band together.
1484
01:30:58,587 --> 01:31:00,789
Everybody had something
they wanted to do,
1485
01:31:01,056 --> 01:31:03,726
and after "the last waltz,"
1486
01:31:03,859 --> 01:31:05,761
we started chasing those dreams.
1487
01:31:09,131 --> 01:31:10,733
Some years later,
1488
01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,769
levon was having a tough time.
1489
01:31:15,704 --> 01:31:17,072
And out of that,
1490
01:31:17,906 --> 01:31:19,808
his anger was aimed at me.
1491
01:31:20,609 --> 01:31:23,445
1492
01:31:23,779 --> 01:31:27,282
In the end, levon
contended that somehow
1493
01:31:27,415 --> 01:31:31,353
he should've gotten a lot
of the songwriting revenue.
1494
01:31:31,587 --> 01:31:34,122
And he just got more
and more pissed off.
1495
01:31:35,958 --> 01:31:37,392
I can see why
1496
01:31:37,526 --> 01:31:39,227
levon might say
something like that,
1497
01:31:39,361 --> 01:31:41,664
because he was really good at
helping arrange.
1498
01:31:42,130 --> 01:31:43,632
But Robbie wrote all the songs.
1499
01:31:43,766 --> 01:31:45,534
Robbie was writing songs
when he was 15 years old.
1500
01:31:46,669 --> 01:31:48,704
And the rest of the boys
helped arrange the songs,
1501
01:31:49,137 --> 01:31:50,739
which is
a little bit different.
1502
01:31:51,373 --> 01:31:54,476
Levon's point
was that these were five guys
1503
01:31:54,777 --> 01:31:56,679
that all played a role
1504
01:31:56,812 --> 01:31:59,948
in making the band what it was.
1505
01:32:00,849 --> 01:32:05,487
I mean, the combination of those
five guys was so unique,
1506
01:32:05,621 --> 01:32:07,890
and so he felt as though Robbie
1507
01:32:08,023 --> 01:32:10,458
were claiming all the credit
for himself.
1508
01:32:11,293 --> 01:32:14,563
You could kinda see in levon,
through this bitterness,
1509
01:32:14,697 --> 01:32:17,900
that because of his
interpretation of what happened,
1510
01:32:18,033 --> 01:32:20,202
he was really hurting, you know?
1511
01:32:20,502 --> 01:32:22,070
He just let it chew him up.
1512
01:32:22,204 --> 01:32:28,210
1513
01:32:29,812 --> 01:32:33,248
1514
01:32:35,317 --> 01:32:36,919
When levon
ran out of money,
1515
01:32:37,152 --> 01:32:38,921
that's when he went crazy,
1516
01:32:39,054 --> 01:32:40,689
because he had been
living high.
1517
01:32:40,823 --> 01:32:43,291
But levon's kind of like me,
he gets mad
1518
01:32:43,425 --> 01:32:45,894
and says things he shouldn't
say, and goes crazy.
1519
01:32:47,329 --> 01:32:49,564
Levon and Robbie
were best friends,
1520
01:32:49,698 --> 01:32:52,735
were brothers, I mean,
levon showed him the ropes.
1521
01:32:53,602 --> 01:32:55,370
So it was very sad
1522
01:32:56,104 --> 01:32:57,773
that that's how he felt
1523
01:32:58,073 --> 01:33:00,408
and that, you know,
that's what he believed.
1524
01:33:02,544 --> 01:33:05,013
Years later,
I got a message
1525
01:33:05,513 --> 01:33:08,116
that levon was in the hospital
1526
01:33:09,852 --> 01:33:10,919
and he was dying.
1527
01:33:12,988 --> 01:33:16,058
I got on a plane
and I went to the hospital.
1528
01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:19,628
Levon wasn't conscious anymore.
1529
01:33:20,729 --> 01:33:24,733
His daughter was there
and she took me into the room,
1530
01:33:25,267 --> 01:33:27,803
I sat with him
and I held his hand
1531
01:33:28,937 --> 01:33:30,739
and I thought about
1532
01:33:31,874 --> 01:33:35,477
the amazing times
that we had had together.
1533
01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,414
We'd been on the front lines
1534
01:33:39,748 --> 01:33:42,484
of two or three
musical revolutions.
1535
01:33:44,086 --> 01:33:47,656
And now we're just left
with these memories.
1536
01:33:49,457 --> 01:33:53,295
So I sat with my brother,
and held his hand.
1537
01:33:54,329 --> 01:33:55,664
You know, I said,
1538
01:33:55,798 --> 01:33:58,834
levon, I'll meet you
on the other end.
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