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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:11,972 --> 00:01:15,143 This guitar was the beginning of it all for me. 2 00:01:24,918 --> 00:01:27,455 I don't have much of a process of, like, 3 00:01:27,588 --> 00:01:29,223 "I'm thinking about this, 4 00:01:29,557 --> 00:01:32,126 and now I'm gonna write a song, and it's gonna be about that." 5 00:01:32,393 --> 00:01:34,128 A lot of times, 6 00:01:34,262 --> 00:01:37,298 the creative process is trying to catch yourself off guard. 7 00:01:37,431 --> 00:01:42,236 And you sit down, and you've got a blank canvas, 8 00:01:42,370 --> 00:01:44,238 and you don't know what you're gonna do, 9 00:01:44,372 --> 00:01:46,607 and you just see what happens. 10 00:01:52,580 --> 00:01:53,881 How you doin', man? 11 00:02:00,053 --> 00:02:01,955 When you talk about songs that are 12 00:02:02,089 --> 00:02:04,458 reflective of your past, 13 00:02:05,193 --> 00:02:07,261 it becomes a Jigsaw puzzle, 14 00:02:07,395 --> 00:02:10,264 because... you write about what you know. 15 00:02:11,232 --> 00:02:12,800 You write about where you've been. 16 00:02:14,268 --> 00:02:16,204 You write about who you know. 17 00:02:16,337 --> 00:02:19,006 18 00:02:23,277 --> 00:02:26,880 When I stumbled onto this song, "once were brothers"... 19 00:02:28,649 --> 00:02:33,287 It really did, for me, zero in on the band. 20 00:02:34,522 --> 00:02:37,124 21 00:02:39,159 --> 00:02:42,396 22 00:02:43,264 --> 00:02:46,133 23 00:02:47,935 --> 00:02:50,137 24 00:02:50,604 --> 00:02:53,807 I don't know of any other group of musicians 25 00:02:53,941 --> 00:02:58,212 with a story equivalent to the story of the band. 26 00:02:58,612 --> 00:03:01,114 And it was a beautiful thing. 27 00:03:01,882 --> 00:03:04,852 It was so beautiful, it went up in flames. 28 00:03:05,286 --> 00:03:07,755 29 00:03:15,929 --> 00:03:18,632 30 00:03:22,870 --> 00:03:25,873 31 00:03:26,173 --> 00:03:28,376 32 00:03:30,143 --> 00:03:34,948 33 00:03:36,149 --> 00:03:41,054 There is no band that emphasizes 34 00:03:41,455 --> 00:03:43,023 coming together and becoming 35 00:03:43,156 --> 00:03:45,559 greater than the sum of their parts than the band. 36 00:03:45,693 --> 00:03:49,196 Simply their name, the band, that was it. 37 00:03:49,530 --> 00:03:55,969 38 00:03:56,236 --> 00:03:59,273 39 00:03:59,607 --> 00:04:03,744 40 00:04:06,414 --> 00:04:08,849 41 00:04:09,149 --> 00:04:11,552 42 00:04:13,587 --> 00:04:18,892 43 00:04:20,193 --> 00:04:22,330 I've never been in a band that long. 44 00:04:22,463 --> 00:04:24,932 I ran away, usually, and would move on 45 00:04:25,065 --> 00:04:27,301 to the next thing that was attractive to me, 46 00:04:27,435 --> 00:04:30,338 or that was missing in the band I was in. So I didn't 47 00:04:30,471 --> 00:04:32,105 have a sense of brotherhood, 48 00:04:32,239 --> 00:04:35,543 so I was in great awe of their brotherhood. 49 00:04:36,209 --> 00:04:37,445 It was the soul of the band. 50 00:04:38,078 --> 00:04:47,321 51 00:04:49,657 --> 00:04:52,259 Not only did they have the incredible writing, 52 00:04:52,393 --> 00:04:54,628 you know, Robbie's writing, but they had three 53 00:04:54,762 --> 00:04:57,531 of the greatest white singers in rock history. 54 00:04:57,931 --> 00:05:01,369 To have any one of those guys would be the foundation 55 00:05:01,502 --> 00:05:04,538 for a great band. To have three of them in one group, 56 00:05:04,672 --> 00:05:07,775 that was... Just loaded for bear. 57 00:05:09,643 --> 00:05:14,582 58 00:05:15,949 --> 00:05:17,851 59 00:05:18,251 --> 00:05:20,488 This music drew upon country music, 60 00:05:20,788 --> 00:05:22,823 English, Scottish, Irish, the choral sounds 61 00:05:22,956 --> 00:05:25,125 of the Welsh. At the same time, 62 00:05:25,258 --> 00:05:28,862 Mississippi delta, the blues. And there was so much imagery. 63 00:05:28,996 --> 00:05:32,666 This... just didn't seem like anything else. 64 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:36,036 No one sounded like those guys. You know, 65 00:05:36,169 --> 00:05:39,072 they came in, and they played. And I just loved 66 00:05:39,206 --> 00:05:41,542 that about them, you know, they were about the music. 67 00:05:41,675 --> 00:05:48,148 68 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:03,997 I think about levon, Richard, Rick, and garth 69 00:06:04,131 --> 00:06:07,868 all the time. We went through things together you could 70 00:06:08,001 --> 00:06:11,238 never replace. You can never give enough credit 71 00:06:11,371 --> 00:06:15,275 to something that special. I was an only child, 72 00:06:15,509 --> 00:06:19,079 so this brotherhood was so powerful. 73 00:06:19,346 --> 00:06:22,182 74 00:06:36,530 --> 00:06:39,867 75 00:06:50,377 --> 00:06:51,945 I think we're warmed up. 76 00:07:02,590 --> 00:07:05,392 77 00:07:10,731 --> 00:07:14,301 Since I was a kid, I see stories 78 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:17,437 in a different way. I don't see them like fairy tales. 79 00:07:21,141 --> 00:07:23,210 These stories are powerful, 80 00:07:23,343 --> 00:07:25,646 and some of them are dangerous and big. 81 00:07:29,483 --> 00:07:31,752 Maybe that's because my upbringing was 82 00:07:31,885 --> 00:07:35,923 a little bit scattered and not normal in some ways. 83 00:07:44,331 --> 00:07:46,299 My mother was born and raised 84 00:07:46,433 --> 00:07:48,669 in the six nation Indian reserve. 85 00:07:49,603 --> 00:07:51,171 Her name was Dolly. 86 00:07:54,207 --> 00:07:56,510 When she was around 16 years old, 87 00:07:56,744 --> 00:07:59,947 she was sent to live with an aunt in Toronto. 88 00:08:04,351 --> 00:08:06,186 When we would go back to visit 89 00:08:06,319 --> 00:08:08,656 the relatives in the Indian reserve, 90 00:08:08,922 --> 00:08:11,291 I thought this was a magical place. 91 00:08:12,660 --> 00:08:14,427 It seemed like every day, 92 00:08:14,562 --> 00:08:16,797 when the sun started to go down, 93 00:08:17,397 --> 00:08:19,466 the instruments would come out. 94 00:08:25,639 --> 00:08:28,241 And I could sit in the middle of this, 95 00:08:28,375 --> 00:08:31,311 and hear the fingers on the strings, 96 00:08:31,444 --> 00:08:34,982 and the hands rubbing on the skins of the drum. 97 00:08:38,819 --> 00:08:41,454 My parents got me a little guitar 98 00:08:41,922 --> 00:08:44,391 with a cowboy painted on it. 99 00:08:44,825 --> 00:08:48,395 I already know a couple of chords on the guitar 100 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:51,899 that my relatives at six nations had taught me. 101 00:08:57,204 --> 00:09:00,674 I would practice and practice. 102 00:09:01,341 --> 00:09:03,376 This is where I belong. 103 00:09:03,977 --> 00:09:05,746 This is calling me. 104 00:09:08,649 --> 00:09:10,818 I don't know for sure 105 00:09:11,018 --> 00:09:14,955 whether I would ever have found my way to music 106 00:09:15,255 --> 00:09:17,257 without this experience, 107 00:09:18,391 --> 00:09:22,129 and that's why I have such a deep appreciation 108 00:09:22,896 --> 00:09:23,964 for that place. 109 00:09:25,232 --> 00:09:27,167 110 00:09:38,712 --> 00:09:42,415 And then we crossed into a time zone 111 00:09:42,549 --> 00:09:44,652 when I was 13 years old. 112 00:09:44,785 --> 00:09:47,955 113 00:09:55,963 --> 00:09:57,865 Overnight, out of nowhere, 114 00:09:58,265 --> 00:10:01,568 this new music came pouring out. 115 00:10:01,902 --> 00:10:19,286 116 00:10:19,687 --> 00:10:23,156 For guys my age, it was a life-altering moment. 117 00:10:23,290 --> 00:10:25,092 Like, it just cut against the grain 118 00:10:25,292 --> 00:10:28,228 of the mundaneness of entertainment at that time. 119 00:10:31,899 --> 00:10:33,801 Jann you know, it's raw, it's loud, 120 00:10:33,934 --> 00:10:35,635 it's raucous, it's tough. 121 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:39,673 You know, the guitar sound is loud and thrilling. 122 00:10:44,411 --> 00:10:45,779 It immediately 123 00:10:45,913 --> 00:10:47,614 imparted to you this entire new way 124 00:10:47,748 --> 00:10:49,649 of living, of looking, 125 00:10:50,017 --> 00:10:51,985 of walking, of talking, of being, 126 00:10:52,385 --> 00:10:54,688 of the possibility of what you might be able to do 127 00:10:54,822 --> 00:10:58,391 with your life. It was a revolutionary moment, you know. 128 00:10:59,592 --> 00:11:04,364 I thought of it as my own personal big bang. 129 00:11:04,631 --> 00:11:06,133 130 00:11:06,900 --> 00:11:08,769 131 00:11:11,338 --> 00:11:12,773 132 00:11:13,807 --> 00:11:18,245 I thought, "that's it. I don't know 133 00:11:18,378 --> 00:11:20,047 what all you people are gonna do, 134 00:11:20,180 --> 00:11:22,049 but I know what I'm gonna do." 135 00:11:25,352 --> 00:11:28,756 Within weeks, I was in my first band. 136 00:11:28,889 --> 00:11:31,124 We were off and running. 137 00:11:31,591 --> 00:11:36,063 138 00:11:36,663 --> 00:11:40,533 My schoolmates, they're like, 139 00:11:40,834 --> 00:11:43,703 "one of these days, I wanna have my own bowling alley." 140 00:11:43,837 --> 00:11:47,507 I'd be like, "oh, my god, your own bowling... 141 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,843 You could bowl for free all you wanted, right?" 142 00:11:51,644 --> 00:11:53,847 I don't have that vision. 143 00:11:54,547 --> 00:11:56,649 I saw something else, and the lights 144 00:11:56,784 --> 00:11:58,351 were really bright. 145 00:12:01,855 --> 00:12:04,691 Within a couple years, we were getting somewhere, 146 00:12:04,825 --> 00:12:07,560 booking different shows around Toronto. 147 00:12:08,428 --> 00:12:11,899 A local dj booked US to open 148 00:12:12,165 --> 00:12:14,467 for Ronnie Hawkins and the hawks. 149 00:12:14,734 --> 00:12:17,337 150 00:12:20,140 --> 00:12:23,276 151 00:12:23,576 --> 00:12:25,913 152 00:12:26,847 --> 00:12:30,117 Ronnie Hawkins and the hawks had 153 00:12:30,417 --> 00:12:32,786 a reputation to be the best 154 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,122 rockabilly band around. 155 00:12:35,255 --> 00:12:39,726 156 00:12:41,161 --> 00:12:43,263 These guys were up there 157 00:12:43,396 --> 00:12:46,333 with Jerry Lee Lewis, Conway twitty, 158 00:12:46,466 --> 00:12:48,969 Carl Perkins, they were in that league. 159 00:12:49,402 --> 00:12:51,404 160 00:12:51,771 --> 00:12:54,074 161 00:12:54,574 --> 00:12:56,910 We didn't know anything about Canada. 162 00:12:57,444 --> 00:13:00,080 We figured, Canada is the wilderness, they've still got 163 00:13:00,213 --> 00:13:02,582 mountain men, you know, eating each other, 164 00:13:02,715 --> 00:13:04,284 stuff like that. 165 00:13:04,584 --> 00:13:07,087 We didn't know nothing about Canada. Boy, and Canada is 166 00:13:07,220 --> 00:13:09,256 the promised land compared to where we came from. 167 00:13:10,490 --> 00:13:12,225 We played our hearts out. 168 00:13:12,359 --> 00:13:14,828 Then Ronnie Hawkins and the hawks take 169 00:13:14,962 --> 00:13:18,631 the stage. Oh, my god. They took flight. 170 00:13:18,899 --> 00:13:20,000 171 00:13:21,368 --> 00:13:25,138 172 00:13:26,406 --> 00:13:40,020 Ronnie Hawkins was 173 00:13:40,153 --> 00:13:42,422 over here. Boom, he was over there. 174 00:13:42,555 --> 00:13:43,991 He was singing just in time. 175 00:13:44,124 --> 00:13:45,825 The piano player would be 176 00:13:45,959 --> 00:13:49,162 playing a solo, keys would be flying off 177 00:13:49,296 --> 00:13:51,498 the piano, he was hitting it so hard. 178 00:13:57,971 --> 00:14:00,173 There was a guy playing drums 179 00:14:00,307 --> 00:14:02,742 who looked like he was 15 years old, 180 00:14:02,876 --> 00:14:04,811 with white-blonde hair, 181 00:14:04,945 --> 00:14:08,448 and he was twirling sticks, and he was laughing, 182 00:14:08,581 --> 00:14:09,917 and smiling, 183 00:14:10,050 --> 00:14:12,385 and he just seemed to glow in the dark, 184 00:14:12,519 --> 00:14:15,488 and his name was levon helm. 185 00:14:20,460 --> 00:14:22,795 Well, I started with Ronnie when I was trying 186 00:14:22,930 --> 00:14:24,998 to get out of high school back in Arkansas. 187 00:14:25,132 --> 00:14:27,100 Ronnie was putting a band together. 188 00:14:27,234 --> 00:14:29,236 I got into it to play drums. 189 00:14:29,369 --> 00:14:31,138 We hit the road, played around for years, 190 00:14:31,271 --> 00:14:33,206 and ended up playing up in Canada. 191 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:40,213 This is it. This is the most amazing thing 192 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,082 on the planet earth. 193 00:14:46,153 --> 00:14:49,189 After they played, I just stood around. 194 00:14:49,389 --> 00:14:52,392 I wanted to help out in any way I could, 195 00:14:52,525 --> 00:14:55,028 to have this rub off on me, 196 00:14:55,162 --> 00:14:58,131 this music, this talent, 197 00:14:58,431 --> 00:15:00,000 this southern-ness. 198 00:15:00,133 --> 00:15:02,269 I stuck to them like glue. 199 00:15:02,535 --> 00:15:04,704 200 00:15:05,005 --> 00:15:06,473 I knew right off the bat 201 00:15:06,606 --> 00:15:08,275 Robbie had something special. I don't know, 202 00:15:08,408 --> 00:15:10,310 he must've been 15 or 16 years old. 203 00:15:10,810 --> 00:15:14,781 But he was hip. Robbie was street hip. 204 00:15:15,215 --> 00:15:17,117 He was a hell of a young man. 205 00:15:18,986 --> 00:15:22,089 One day, I heard Ronnie Hawkins 206 00:15:22,222 --> 00:15:25,525 saying to the other guys, "I gotta cut a new record. 207 00:15:25,658 --> 00:15:27,227 I need some songs." 208 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:30,730 I scampered home, went to my room, 209 00:15:30,863 --> 00:15:34,401 and never came out until I wrote two songs. 210 00:15:37,937 --> 00:15:44,577 211 00:15:45,078 --> 00:15:51,084 212 00:15:51,484 --> 00:15:53,953 Robbie was writing songs when he was 15 years old. 213 00:15:54,087 --> 00:15:57,157 I recorded two of said songs on my album 214 00:15:57,290 --> 00:15:59,959 before anybody ever thought about Robbie robertson. 215 00:16:05,465 --> 00:16:08,268 At that time, Robbie dropped out of school. 216 00:16:08,668 --> 00:16:11,771 His mother, Dolly, she was worried about him. 217 00:16:13,273 --> 00:16:16,676 There had been quite a period 218 00:16:16,909 --> 00:16:19,946 where my parents weren't getting along. 219 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:23,283 My father, Jim robertson, 220 00:16:23,616 --> 00:16:26,786 was being quite abusive with my mother, 221 00:16:26,919 --> 00:16:28,288 and with me. 222 00:16:30,157 --> 00:16:32,359 And one day she said to me, 223 00:16:32,825 --> 00:16:36,096 "sit down, I... I need to tell you something. 224 00:16:36,796 --> 00:16:39,399 And maybe I should've told you this before, 225 00:16:39,666 --> 00:16:42,202 but he's not your real father." 226 00:16:46,973 --> 00:16:47,974 "What? 227 00:16:48,675 --> 00:16:51,878 I... what do you mean, he's not my real father?" 228 00:16:53,946 --> 00:16:56,483 Robbie's real daddy was a Hebrew gangster. 229 00:16:56,949 --> 00:16:58,718 Yeah, they killed him, they shot him on... 230 00:16:58,851 --> 00:17:00,019 Yonge street, I think. 231 00:17:00,953 --> 00:17:03,390 232 00:17:06,426 --> 00:17:10,330 My mother says, "your blood father, his name was 233 00:17:10,463 --> 00:17:12,565 Alexander klegerman. 234 00:17:13,566 --> 00:17:16,035 He got killed before you were born. 235 00:17:17,137 --> 00:17:18,338 He's Jewish." 236 00:17:19,206 --> 00:17:21,474 And she introduced me 237 00:17:21,608 --> 00:17:24,711 to the relatives of my blood father, 238 00:17:24,844 --> 00:17:27,914 natie klegerman and morrie klegerman. 239 00:17:28,381 --> 00:17:31,084 They bring me into their world 240 00:17:31,218 --> 00:17:34,254 with tremendous love and affection. 241 00:17:34,487 --> 00:17:36,323 I met his uncle who'd been in the penitentiary 242 00:17:36,456 --> 00:17:37,857 ten years. He was a gangster too. 243 00:17:38,991 --> 00:17:41,628 Through these relatives of mine, 244 00:17:41,861 --> 00:17:44,697 I'm understanding what's been stirring 245 00:17:44,831 --> 00:17:46,799 inside of me all this time. 246 00:17:46,933 --> 00:17:49,035 They understand vision. 247 00:17:49,502 --> 00:17:51,871 They understand ambition. 248 00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,874 When I told the klegermans 249 00:17:55,007 --> 00:17:57,944 I had musical ambitions, they were like, 250 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,046 "rock 'n' roll? You don't wanna be 251 00:18:00,180 --> 00:18:02,415 in furs and diamonds, you wanna be in that...?" 252 00:18:02,549 --> 00:18:06,052 And then they were like, "oh, you mean, show business." 253 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,555 254 00:18:11,191 --> 00:18:13,059 I'm 16 years old now. 255 00:18:13,193 --> 00:18:17,063 Ronnie Hawkins says, "I want you to come down to Arkansas 256 00:18:17,197 --> 00:18:20,767 and try out to become one of the hawks." 257 00:18:21,501 --> 00:18:24,471 If I didn't go down there and try out for this, 258 00:18:24,604 --> 00:18:27,340 I would be sorry the rest of my life. 259 00:18:28,074 --> 00:18:32,145 I sold my '56 stratocaster, 260 00:18:32,279 --> 00:18:35,615 I got the money to take a train from Toronto 261 00:18:35,748 --> 00:18:37,217 to fayetteville, Arkansas. 262 00:18:38,017 --> 00:18:40,052 263 00:18:53,966 --> 00:18:57,337 I'm going to the Mississippi delta, 264 00:18:57,470 --> 00:18:59,939 to the fountainhead of rock 'n' roll. 265 00:19:01,274 --> 00:19:04,544 "This is it, this is it. I've gotta make this work." 266 00:19:04,977 --> 00:19:10,517 So many amazing music people came out of there. 267 00:19:10,650 --> 00:19:12,585 268 00:19:13,786 --> 00:19:15,988 269 00:19:18,958 --> 00:19:21,361 270 00:19:22,462 --> 00:19:23,596 This music 271 00:19:23,896 --> 00:19:25,498 is down and dirty. 272 00:19:25,965 --> 00:19:27,534 And it's heavy, 273 00:19:27,900 --> 00:19:29,001 just like the air. 274 00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:39,946 Growin' up there in the delta, 275 00:19:40,079 --> 00:19:42,815 just in the Memphis, west Memphis area there, 276 00:19:42,949 --> 00:19:45,752 we had as good a radio as you could find. 277 00:19:45,885 --> 00:19:47,587 Our jukeboxes and radios 278 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:49,856 weren't running short of good songs. 279 00:19:50,890 --> 00:19:53,059 I consider myself fortunate to have 280 00:19:53,192 --> 00:19:56,529 grown up there and heard the kind of music that I did. 281 00:20:03,703 --> 00:20:05,071 Robbie was 282 00:20:05,538 --> 00:20:06,906 a hell of a gifted musician, I can tell you that. 283 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,708 But what made him better than anybody else is 284 00:20:08,841 --> 00:20:10,009 he worked twice as hard. 285 00:20:10,977 --> 00:20:13,212 Finally, Ronnie says, 286 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,615 "I'm gonna offer you the job." 287 00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:20,420 I say, "you'll never have to tell me to work harder." 288 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,223 He said, "I know." So I say, "great. 289 00:20:24,357 --> 00:20:27,159 How much will I get paid working for you?" 290 00:20:27,294 --> 00:20:29,095 And I said, "well, don't worry about the money, kid. 291 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,063 You ain't gonna make much money, 292 00:20:31,197 --> 00:20:33,566 but you'll be gettin' more pussy than frank Sinatra." 293 00:20:33,766 --> 00:20:34,767 And he did. 294 00:20:35,435 --> 00:20:48,981 I depended on levon to show me the road. 295 00:20:49,549 --> 00:20:52,752 He had grown, in my eyes, 296 00:20:52,885 --> 00:20:55,522 bigger than life. When he laughed, 297 00:20:56,088 --> 00:20:57,357 everybody laughed. 298 00:20:58,825 --> 00:21:00,627 They were the best friends you could ever be. 299 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,829 They were like huckleberry Finn and Tom Sawyer. 300 00:21:02,962 --> 00:21:04,931 It was a hell of a combination, I thought, 301 00:21:05,064 --> 00:21:07,334 because levon could put the arrangements and stuff together 302 00:21:07,567 --> 00:21:09,736 and do all that, and Robbie could write the songs. 303 00:21:12,071 --> 00:21:13,540 When I saw Robbie play guitar, 304 00:21:13,673 --> 00:21:15,241 it just blew my mind. 305 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:17,710 Every guitar player in Toronto learned from Robbie. 306 00:21:17,844 --> 00:21:19,746 He changed the whole ballgame up here. 307 00:21:19,879 --> 00:21:21,581 I can remember people discussing, 308 00:21:21,714 --> 00:21:24,484 "how does Robbie make that guitar sound?" 309 00:21:25,284 --> 00:21:26,753 That was the big mystery. 310 00:21:26,886 --> 00:21:28,721 There was, like, stories going around 311 00:21:28,855 --> 00:21:30,823 that, oh, he slashed his speakers, 312 00:21:30,957 --> 00:21:32,825 broke a couple of tubes in the amp. 313 00:21:32,959 --> 00:21:36,696 Every guitar player I met after that was doing the same thing. 314 00:21:36,929 --> 00:21:39,799 I watched them all change from their old style of playing 315 00:21:39,932 --> 00:21:41,968 to the new Robbie style of playing, 316 00:21:42,101 --> 00:21:43,970 and I was... I was one of the pack. 317 00:21:58,751 --> 00:22:01,621 Ronnie depends on levon and I 318 00:22:01,754 --> 00:22:07,026 to help him choose musicians that have potential. 319 00:22:07,159 --> 00:22:13,099 Ronnie wants to have the best band in the land. 320 00:22:13,299 --> 00:22:14,767 Have you ever heard me sing? 321 00:22:14,967 --> 00:22:16,603 I'll better have a good band. 322 00:22:18,270 --> 00:22:19,606 The Arkansas boys would quit 323 00:22:19,739 --> 00:22:23,309 and Ronnie would replace with a Canadian musician. 324 00:22:23,943 --> 00:22:26,513 Within a fairly short time, we had 325 00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:28,948 Richard, Rick, and when garth 326 00:22:29,081 --> 00:22:31,951 finally joined the outfit, I think that gave US a leg up. 327 00:22:33,853 --> 00:22:36,489 We didn't know a musician 328 00:22:36,689 --> 00:22:38,190 that could do what he could do. 329 00:22:38,491 --> 00:22:41,027 Garth understood muddy waters 330 00:22:41,327 --> 00:22:44,196 and bach in the same sentence. 331 00:22:44,964 --> 00:22:48,735 Richard was an incredibly beautiful soul. 332 00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:51,170 You couldn't help but just love the guy. 333 00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:53,105 It was kind of like boot camp. 334 00:22:53,239 --> 00:22:55,007 I mean, we drove ourselves 335 00:22:55,307 --> 00:22:57,544 to as near perfection as we could get, you know? 336 00:22:57,677 --> 00:23:00,847 To the point where we'd really thrill each other. 337 00:23:01,313 --> 00:23:03,583 Rick was one of these people that was like, 338 00:23:03,716 --> 00:23:05,518 "trombone, bass, tuba, 339 00:23:05,652 --> 00:23:09,288 violin, whatever it is, I can do it." 340 00:23:09,756 --> 00:23:11,858 We were kids playing in bars 341 00:23:11,991 --> 00:23:13,893 that you were supposed to be 21 to play in. 342 00:23:14,026 --> 00:23:16,162 We were 17, 18, 19. It can 343 00:23:16,295 --> 00:23:18,931 get pretty outrageous when you're out there that young. 344 00:23:19,065 --> 00:23:21,601 345 00:23:22,835 --> 00:23:25,237 346 00:23:27,273 --> 00:23:29,241 347 00:23:30,042 --> 00:23:31,544 Robbie's mom, Dolly, 348 00:23:31,678 --> 00:23:33,513 she helped the band out more than anybody. 349 00:23:33,646 --> 00:23:35,715 She would give them places to stay cheap, 350 00:23:35,848 --> 00:23:37,584 fed 'em, cooked. She did everything. 351 00:23:37,717 --> 00:23:39,151 She was somethin' else. 352 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,454 353 00:23:43,122 --> 00:23:46,058 We played six days a week and we practiced five. 354 00:23:46,325 --> 00:23:48,194 That's how come they got good. 355 00:23:48,327 --> 00:23:50,697 They were probably the best white rhythm and blues band 356 00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:53,466 in the world at that time. When they were young, 357 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:55,301 they were absorbing all that knowledge quick. 358 00:23:55,702 --> 00:23:58,671 They shot by me musically like a bolt of lightning. 359 00:23:59,639 --> 00:24:02,341 We were outgrowing the past 360 00:24:03,442 --> 00:24:05,778 and the music that we were playing with Ronnie. 361 00:24:18,525 --> 00:24:20,893 When we left Ronnie, we ended up 362 00:24:21,027 --> 00:24:23,029 playing at a club in New York, 363 00:24:23,530 --> 00:24:26,332 and one day my friend, John Hammond, 364 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:28,367 a great musician, blues singer, 365 00:24:28,501 --> 00:24:30,369 he came and picked me up at the hotel, 366 00:24:30,503 --> 00:24:33,640 and we're going to the Columbia records building, 367 00:24:33,873 --> 00:24:35,241 to one of the studios. 368 00:24:35,908 --> 00:24:38,678 We go in. I see over in the corner 369 00:24:38,811 --> 00:24:42,248 this guy with dark glasses on 370 00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:45,117 and frizzly hair, and John says, 371 00:24:45,351 --> 00:24:47,053 "this is Bob Dylan." 372 00:24:48,120 --> 00:24:50,923 373 00:24:57,764 --> 00:25:04,771 374 00:25:05,572 --> 00:25:08,841 Bob Dylan's a really respected songwriter. 375 00:25:08,975 --> 00:25:11,510 He was best known to me as a folk singer 376 00:25:11,644 --> 00:25:14,480 with a guitar and he has a harmonica. 377 00:25:14,614 --> 00:25:17,516 And he sings his beautiful songs. 378 00:25:17,650 --> 00:25:20,319 Folk music, from what we knew, 379 00:25:20,452 --> 00:25:23,522 was happening over by a university somewhere, 380 00:25:23,656 --> 00:25:25,958 and people were sipping cappuccinos, 381 00:25:26,092 --> 00:25:27,827 listening to folk music. 382 00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:29,228 Where we're playing, 383 00:25:29,361 --> 00:25:30,863 on the other side of the tracks, 384 00:25:30,997 --> 00:25:33,399 there ain't nobody sipping cappuccinos over there. 385 00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:36,703 I didn't know a whole lot about Bob. 386 00:25:36,836 --> 00:25:41,674 We were more into R&B and blues music. 387 00:25:44,677 --> 00:25:46,412 When we left Ronnie, 388 00:25:47,013 --> 00:25:48,948 I wanna be something original, 389 00:25:49,081 --> 00:25:50,850 I don't wanna be a bar band. 390 00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:53,519 I've gotta come back to writing. 391 00:25:53,653 --> 00:25:58,390 I'm having dreams about finding a sanctuary, 392 00:25:58,524 --> 00:26:00,392 finding a place that we can go, 393 00:26:00,526 --> 00:26:03,596 and we can hone these skills, and we're just not 394 00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:06,432 on the road driving to the next gig. 395 00:26:06,699 --> 00:26:08,768 They were playing these gigs, 396 00:26:08,901 --> 00:26:11,671 trying to get a recording deal. I said, "well, gee, you know, 397 00:26:11,804 --> 00:26:13,439 how about we make a record together? 398 00:26:13,572 --> 00:26:15,574 And I was signed to vanguard records. 399 00:26:15,708 --> 00:26:19,378 And they gave US, like, a three-hour window to record. 400 00:26:19,511 --> 00:26:22,448 I invited my friend Bob Dylan to the recording day. 401 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:24,283 So I introduced them to Dylan. 402 00:26:24,416 --> 00:26:26,886 And... and Dylan flipped out, I mean, 403 00:26:27,019 --> 00:26:29,355 he thought these guys were phenomenal. 404 00:26:29,689 --> 00:26:33,425 What we didn't know is that Bob's already doing 405 00:26:33,559 --> 00:26:35,294 the rock 'n' roll thing. 406 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:37,529 407 00:26:45,905 --> 00:26:48,574 He wanted to hire an amazing band 408 00:26:48,708 --> 00:26:51,678 that he could take on tour with him. 409 00:26:51,811 --> 00:26:53,746 So he hired the guys. 410 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,916 411 00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:09,929 412 00:27:12,531 --> 00:27:14,767 Bob Dylan's thing was like a detour. 413 00:27:15,101 --> 00:27:17,169 We're hooking up with this guy, 414 00:27:17,303 --> 00:27:19,839 and he's changing the course of music. 415 00:27:20,506 --> 00:27:23,810 He's like... the king of the folk movement 416 00:27:23,943 --> 00:27:26,913 who now wants a rock 'n' roll band. 417 00:27:27,046 --> 00:27:29,281 Huh! That's not a bad thing 418 00:27:29,415 --> 00:27:31,784 to experience along the way too. 419 00:27:31,918 --> 00:27:34,286 We thought, "let's take that detour." 420 00:27:35,121 --> 00:27:42,161 421 00:27:42,762 --> 00:27:46,098 We hook up with him, and have no idea 422 00:27:46,232 --> 00:27:47,566 that he's the only one 423 00:27:47,700 --> 00:27:49,368 that thinks this is a good idea. 424 00:27:49,501 --> 00:27:52,638 The rest of the world hates this idea. 425 00:27:52,772 --> 00:27:56,108 We play with him and they boo US every night. 426 00:27:56,242 --> 00:27:59,611 It is weird that people could 427 00:27:59,812 --> 00:28:03,182 be this upset about this guy 428 00:28:03,315 --> 00:28:06,819 just wanting to expand his musical horizon 429 00:28:06,953 --> 00:28:09,021 and play with other musicians. 430 00:28:09,155 --> 00:28:12,191 431 00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:23,002 432 00:28:23,369 --> 00:28:30,142 We'd go somewhere, we set up our equipment, 433 00:28:30,376 --> 00:28:31,377 we play. 434 00:28:32,511 --> 00:28:34,613 People come, they boo US, 435 00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:38,084 sometimes throw things. We'd pack up our equipment, 436 00:28:38,317 --> 00:28:39,952 go on to the next place, 437 00:28:40,086 --> 00:28:42,721 set up, play, they boo US. 438 00:28:42,955 --> 00:28:45,758 I think, "what a strange way to make a buck." 439 00:28:49,028 --> 00:28:50,797 Kids would break for the stage, 440 00:28:51,030 --> 00:28:53,465 cops were making open-field tackles... 441 00:28:54,300 --> 00:28:56,102 Out in front of the stage. 442 00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:58,037 And Bob had told US, you know, 443 00:28:58,170 --> 00:29:00,072 whatever happens, just don't stop playing. 444 00:29:00,339 --> 00:29:02,875 445 00:29:05,377 --> 00:29:07,579 446 00:29:09,715 --> 00:29:12,318 447 00:29:14,420 --> 00:29:18,290 448 00:29:19,258 --> 00:29:20,492 Cool car! 449 00:29:20,860 --> 00:29:23,595 Get the bass in with Robbie. Let's go. 450 00:29:24,063 --> 00:29:26,132 Let's go, we have to go now. Hey, tell them we have to go. 451 00:29:26,265 --> 00:29:27,967 Hey, don't pull my fingers! 452 00:29:28,100 --> 00:29:30,870 So long. So long, don't boo me anymore! 453 00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:34,874 When they yell in this weird nasal tone. 454 00:29:35,007 --> 00:29:37,443 Oh. Jesus, you know, I don't understand why they... 455 00:29:37,576 --> 00:29:39,745 How can they buy the tickets up so fast? 456 00:29:39,879 --> 00:29:41,280 Let's get that light off. 457 00:29:54,827 --> 00:29:57,997 Levon expressed to me that there was 458 00:29:58,130 --> 00:30:00,466 something in this whole world 459 00:30:00,599 --> 00:30:03,502 that we had entered into that just didn't feel right to him. 460 00:30:04,570 --> 00:30:06,105 And the idea that we would 461 00:30:06,238 --> 00:30:10,142 go out and play and people would boo US, 462 00:30:10,409 --> 00:30:12,778 he thought that was just ridiculous. 463 00:30:13,412 --> 00:30:16,815 And I... I was much closer to Bob 464 00:30:16,949 --> 00:30:19,085 than the other guys were. 465 00:30:19,218 --> 00:30:21,787 I don't think levon felt good about that, either. 466 00:30:22,421 --> 00:30:30,997 467 00:30:32,731 --> 00:30:35,301 One night, levon comes 468 00:30:35,434 --> 00:30:38,104 to my hotel room and he says, 469 00:30:38,404 --> 00:30:41,473 "I don't like this music. I don't like these people. 470 00:30:41,941 --> 00:30:43,475 I don't wanna be here. 471 00:30:43,976 --> 00:30:46,412 And I don't wanna be in anybody's band. 472 00:30:47,914 --> 00:30:49,048 I wanna go." 473 00:30:51,283 --> 00:30:53,719 He didn't go anywhere without me. 474 00:30:54,620 --> 00:30:57,056 He said, "I'm gonna go down to New Orleans 475 00:30:57,189 --> 00:30:59,658 and maybe work on an oil rig 476 00:31:00,059 --> 00:31:03,329 in the Gulf of Mexico." And I said, 477 00:31:03,595 --> 00:31:05,464 "have you told the other guys?" 478 00:31:05,797 --> 00:31:08,400 He said, "no, I haven't spoke to the other guys. 479 00:31:08,534 --> 00:31:10,202 I'd like you to do that for me." 480 00:31:10,336 --> 00:31:12,438 481 00:31:12,738 --> 00:31:14,773 "Tell them I wish them well, 482 00:31:14,907 --> 00:31:17,176 and I'll see them down the line." 483 00:31:18,010 --> 00:31:20,846 So I walked him down the street, 484 00:31:21,113 --> 00:31:23,682 and I put my arm around his shoulders 485 00:31:23,815 --> 00:31:25,251 as we were walking along. 486 00:31:25,751 --> 00:31:27,686 He felt beat up to me. 487 00:31:28,988 --> 00:31:32,624 And I knew that he was really in pain. 488 00:31:32,891 --> 00:31:34,693 My heart was breaking. 489 00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:37,863 My partner, my brother... 490 00:31:39,631 --> 00:31:41,900 Has left, has gone. 491 00:31:42,168 --> 00:31:45,437 I don't know how to do this without levon... 492 00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:48,374 But I'm gonna have to figure it out. 493 00:31:48,740 --> 00:31:51,443 494 00:31:53,145 --> 00:31:55,547 495 00:32:00,852 --> 00:32:02,788 496 00:32:04,056 --> 00:32:05,791 497 00:32:06,192 --> 00:32:09,895 After levon left, 498 00:32:10,362 --> 00:32:12,398 we had to get another drummer. 499 00:32:13,099 --> 00:32:14,666 Mickey Jones was his name 500 00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,735 and he was a terrific guy, 501 00:32:16,868 --> 00:32:19,271 but, boy, they were tough shoes to fill. 502 00:32:19,605 --> 00:32:21,140 Levon left a big hole. 503 00:32:21,573 --> 00:32:23,709 504 00:32:35,921 --> 00:32:40,459 We play all over Europe, and it just gets worse. 505 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:43,095 We were thinking, "maybe they don't like it here, 506 00:32:43,229 --> 00:32:46,198 but when we go there, they'll probably feel differently." 507 00:32:46,498 --> 00:32:48,967 - No. 508 00:32:49,101 --> 00:32:51,670 Being in the trenches with Bob on this fight 509 00:32:51,803 --> 00:32:53,305 probably reinforced their relationship. 510 00:32:53,439 --> 00:32:55,407 I think they became closer under fire. 511 00:32:56,142 --> 00:32:58,477 It's fun to revolt. Robbie's young, 512 00:32:58,710 --> 00:33:00,346 and you know, throwin' it in the faces 513 00:33:00,479 --> 00:33:01,980 of all these like, pissant, 514 00:33:02,114 --> 00:33:03,682 you know, people that are in tweeds, or whatever. 515 00:33:04,583 --> 00:33:06,552 I remember it well. The show was 516 00:33:06,685 --> 00:33:08,954 in two halves. In the first half, Bob came out and did 517 00:33:09,088 --> 00:33:11,357 his usual thing with the guitar and the harmonica. 518 00:33:11,490 --> 00:33:13,825 In the second half, he came out with the band. 519 00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:16,662 All through that second half, people were getting up 520 00:33:16,928 --> 00:33:18,797 and walking out, shouting, 521 00:33:19,498 --> 00:33:21,467 and Bob just came out and he said, "well, you know, 522 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,203 "you all may know this song. Um, remember how 523 00:33:24,336 --> 00:33:26,705 it goes? Well, here's how it goes now." You know? 524 00:33:26,972 --> 00:33:29,641 525 00:33:35,214 --> 00:33:38,016 I remember saying to the other guys, 526 00:33:38,584 --> 00:33:40,986 "this is good. They're wrong. 527 00:33:41,787 --> 00:33:43,222 This is good." 528 00:33:44,290 --> 00:33:46,325 And then you realize, 529 00:33:47,126 --> 00:33:49,661 you're in a musical revolution. 530 00:33:50,196 --> 00:33:52,331 There is something going on here, 531 00:33:52,464 --> 00:33:55,000 and you have nothing to compare it to. 532 00:33:56,702 --> 00:33:58,036 It just made US 533 00:33:58,170 --> 00:34:01,173 feel like flexing our musical muscles. 534 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,776 We're gonna play this music in your face. 535 00:34:11,650 --> 00:34:13,685 The guys that were with me on that tour, 536 00:34:13,819 --> 00:34:15,487 you know, we were all in it together. 537 00:34:15,621 --> 00:34:17,756 We were puttin' our heads in the lion's mouth. 538 00:34:17,889 --> 00:34:20,592 I had to admire them for sticking it out with me, 539 00:34:20,726 --> 00:34:22,228 just for doing it, in my book they were, 540 00:34:22,361 --> 00:34:24,196 you know... gallant knights 541 00:34:24,330 --> 00:34:26,365 for even, you know, standing behind me. 542 00:34:28,334 --> 00:34:30,969 543 00:34:40,146 --> 00:34:42,114 544 00:34:42,381 --> 00:34:44,983 545 00:34:45,484 --> 00:34:48,019 One day, we were just taking a walk 546 00:34:48,154 --> 00:34:49,221 and looking in stores. 547 00:34:49,921 --> 00:34:54,326 I see two really pretty girls. 548 00:34:57,429 --> 00:34:59,498 We're taking a wonderful walk. It was 549 00:34:59,631 --> 00:35:02,668 the springtime in Paris. There was a gathering of people 550 00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:04,436 somewhere around the corner 551 00:35:04,703 --> 00:35:07,839 who began to talk to US, and asked US what we were doing. 552 00:35:08,740 --> 00:35:10,442 In broken English, 553 00:35:10,576 --> 00:35:15,181 they say they're journalists from Montreal. 554 00:35:15,781 --> 00:35:17,249 I'm like, "wow! 555 00:35:17,449 --> 00:35:19,251 I'm from Canada too. 556 00:35:19,751 --> 00:35:21,320 I'm from Toronto." 557 00:35:21,453 --> 00:35:24,290 And they look like, oh, that's too bad. 558 00:35:24,490 --> 00:35:26,758 And this whole thing at the time 559 00:35:26,892 --> 00:35:29,795 between English-speaking and the French-speaking, 560 00:35:30,262 --> 00:35:32,664 they were in a revolutionary spirit. This is when they were 561 00:35:32,798 --> 00:35:35,634 putting bombs in mailboxes, 562 00:35:35,767 --> 00:35:37,736 and it was rough going. 563 00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:40,472 I'm on neutral territory, I'm in Paris. 564 00:35:40,606 --> 00:35:42,941 He looked like family to me from the beginning. 565 00:35:43,141 --> 00:35:46,678 It was like... I recognized him. 566 00:35:46,978 --> 00:35:49,581 567 00:35:50,416 --> 00:35:54,152 I am fancy dancing the best I can 568 00:35:54,286 --> 00:35:56,021 to charm Dominique 569 00:35:56,288 --> 00:35:58,524 into thinking I'm not a bad person, 570 00:35:58,657 --> 00:35:59,691 I'm not the enemy. 571 00:36:00,091 --> 00:36:03,495 And we've got to spend some time together. 572 00:36:05,264 --> 00:36:07,433 We went to the concert at the Olympia, 573 00:36:07,633 --> 00:36:09,701 and the crowd was roaring 574 00:36:09,835 --> 00:36:12,304 in anger about electric guitars. 575 00:36:13,071 --> 00:36:14,973 I didn't even realize 576 00:36:15,106 --> 00:36:18,277 people were booing anymore. There was something 577 00:36:18,410 --> 00:36:19,878 about her spirit. 578 00:36:20,512 --> 00:36:23,815 There was something about her eyes and her smile, 579 00:36:24,049 --> 00:36:26,418 and it was a fire inside her. 580 00:36:26,552 --> 00:36:30,856 Even though I didn't speak his language, 581 00:36:30,989 --> 00:36:32,891 I spoke a language that touched him. 582 00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,364 I was definitely falling in love with Robbie. 583 00:36:45,637 --> 00:36:47,973 When we got back to New York City, 584 00:36:48,106 --> 00:36:51,176 I invited her to come and join me there, 585 00:36:51,677 --> 00:36:53,245 and eventually she did. 586 00:36:54,746 --> 00:36:57,115 The other guys in the hawks and myself 587 00:36:57,249 --> 00:36:59,184 were trying to find a place 588 00:36:59,318 --> 00:37:01,853 where we could start working on our music. 589 00:37:03,755 --> 00:37:06,792 Albert Grossman, Bob's manager, 590 00:37:06,925 --> 00:37:09,528 he had a place up in Woodstock, New York. 591 00:37:09,895 --> 00:37:13,765 Albert was an anomaly in the world 592 00:37:13,899 --> 00:37:15,867 of record business people. 593 00:37:16,001 --> 00:37:17,436 He didn't wear a suit. 594 00:37:17,569 --> 00:37:20,272 His had his hair tied back in a ponytail. 595 00:37:20,539 --> 00:37:23,074 He looked like an overweight Benjamin Franklin. 596 00:37:23,675 --> 00:37:25,477 Albert took very good care of his artists. 597 00:37:25,911 --> 00:37:28,980 But as far as dealing with other people, he was shrewd. 598 00:37:29,581 --> 00:37:33,585 Bob had moved up to Woodstock, got a house. 599 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,721 Albert would go up there on the weekends. 600 00:37:36,221 --> 00:37:39,057 So Albert says, "come up to Woodstock. 601 00:37:39,190 --> 00:37:40,759 There's so much room up there. 602 00:37:40,892 --> 00:37:42,093 You can get a place. 603 00:37:42,361 --> 00:37:44,796 You can make all the sounds you want." 604 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:50,436 It was a very welcoming possibility. 605 00:37:50,769 --> 00:37:52,871 606 00:37:53,372 --> 00:37:56,141 607 00:37:56,775 --> 00:38:00,446 Rick found US this ugly pink house. 608 00:38:03,982 --> 00:38:06,117 This is just what I've been 609 00:38:06,251 --> 00:38:09,321 dreaming about all these years... 610 00:38:09,655 --> 00:38:14,660 A sanctuary that we could go and write and create. 611 00:38:14,793 --> 00:38:16,828 612 00:38:19,197 --> 00:38:20,932 Oh, my god, I mean, a... 613 00:38:21,066 --> 00:38:22,934 Pretty corny house, you know? 614 00:38:23,068 --> 00:38:24,503 But it was perfect. 615 00:38:28,173 --> 00:38:30,709 So we moved up to Woodstock. 616 00:38:31,309 --> 00:38:33,311 We built a little studio 617 00:38:33,445 --> 00:38:36,682 in the basement, just for writing purposes. 618 00:38:37,182 --> 00:38:41,820 Garth, Richard, and Rick moved into this house. 619 00:38:42,954 --> 00:38:45,757 I called Bob, and I drive him out there 620 00:38:45,891 --> 00:38:47,192 to show him the place. 621 00:38:47,759 --> 00:38:50,496 And he comes in and he looks at this basement, 622 00:38:50,629 --> 00:38:53,465 and he sees all the instruments set up there, 623 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,301 a little tape recorder, some microphones. 624 00:38:56,435 --> 00:39:00,506 He says, "can you record music in this place?" 625 00:39:00,772 --> 00:39:03,742 And I was like, "yeah, we've got that little tape recorder. 626 00:39:03,875 --> 00:39:06,311 It's not... you know, a recording studio, 627 00:39:06,545 --> 00:39:08,714 but it's pretty good for writing and stuff." 628 00:39:09,014 --> 00:39:11,983 He said, "listen, I've got a couple of song ideas 629 00:39:12,117 --> 00:39:15,621 I've been kicking around. Maybe we could try them here." 630 00:39:16,087 --> 00:39:18,824 Great! That's the spirit. 631 00:39:19,591 --> 00:39:23,695 632 00:39:23,995 --> 00:39:25,964 633 00:39:26,264 --> 00:39:27,866 634 00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:29,835 635 00:39:30,902 --> 00:39:32,203 636 00:39:32,838 --> 00:39:34,940 637 00:39:37,476 --> 00:39:39,110 Bob would come by, you know, 638 00:39:39,244 --> 00:39:41,079 every day for about a six, seven-month period, 639 00:39:41,212 --> 00:39:44,015 and we'd... we'd get together every afternoon 640 00:39:44,149 --> 00:39:46,552 six to seven days a week. And just from US 641 00:39:46,785 --> 00:39:48,687 getting together and applying ourselves, 642 00:39:48,887 --> 00:39:53,525 - a lot does come out of that. - In the living room, 643 00:39:53,659 --> 00:39:55,360 there was a couple of typewriters, 644 00:39:55,494 --> 00:39:58,029 because Bob wrote songs on a typewriter. 645 00:39:58,163 --> 00:40:00,699 And he'd say, "guys, let's go, let's go. 646 00:40:00,832 --> 00:40:03,902 I think I got something. Let's go." We'd all go downstairs, 647 00:40:04,035 --> 00:40:05,070 we would record it. 648 00:40:06,538 --> 00:40:08,273 No, not any Harmony, 649 00:40:08,406 --> 00:40:12,077 but Harmony in the background like, ooh! 650 00:40:12,210 --> 00:40:19,851 - You know, just... 651 00:40:20,418 --> 00:40:23,522 652 00:40:24,022 --> 00:40:27,025 653 00:40:27,526 --> 00:40:32,163 - Let me hear you now! 654 00:40:33,264 --> 00:40:35,266 655 00:40:35,901 --> 00:40:39,137 Working with Bob, I saw a door opening. 656 00:40:39,705 --> 00:40:42,407 He was making the possibility 657 00:40:42,541 --> 00:40:46,111 of using poetry in songwriting 658 00:40:46,244 --> 00:40:49,080 like I had never quite seen before. 659 00:40:49,347 --> 00:40:51,883 It gave you a sense of Liberty. 660 00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,753 You used to think, "I don't know if you can do that. 661 00:40:54,886 --> 00:40:57,288 I don't know, is it all right to say that? 662 00:40:57,422 --> 00:40:59,658 Can you express things in that kind of way?" 663 00:41:00,258 --> 00:41:01,993 Boom, no rules. 664 00:41:02,427 --> 00:41:06,532 665 00:41:06,998 --> 00:41:18,610 666 00:41:19,978 --> 00:41:21,813 Robbie is a real artist. 667 00:41:21,947 --> 00:41:24,850 He is an amazing creative force. 668 00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:27,786 I never saw him 669 00:41:27,919 --> 00:41:29,855 without a little pad of paper and a pencil, 670 00:41:29,988 --> 00:41:32,157 writing notes about everything. 671 00:41:32,758 --> 00:41:34,626 Some thought, some idea 672 00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,295 that he could use later in a song. 673 00:41:37,763 --> 00:41:46,905 674 00:41:47,438 --> 00:41:56,648 When Dominique was becoming my girlfriend, 675 00:41:56,982 --> 00:42:00,118 her connection to French literature, 676 00:42:00,251 --> 00:42:02,187 poetry, music, 677 00:42:02,487 --> 00:42:04,389 was rubbing off on me. 678 00:42:05,190 --> 00:42:07,793 The path that I was on intellectually, 679 00:42:08,359 --> 00:42:10,328 boom, she altered it, 680 00:42:10,461 --> 00:42:13,398 and I was being highly inspired 681 00:42:13,699 --> 00:42:17,235 by what she was bringing to the table as well. 682 00:42:23,208 --> 00:42:25,577 683 00:42:26,612 --> 00:42:30,181 Albert Grossman was thinking about getting 684 00:42:30,381 --> 00:42:32,150 the hawks a record deal. 685 00:42:32,283 --> 00:42:34,653 So he said, "you need to record 686 00:42:34,853 --> 00:42:37,255 a couple of your tunes so I can play them 687 00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:39,257 for some record companies." 688 00:42:39,490 --> 00:42:42,060 So we went into a studio, 689 00:42:42,193 --> 00:42:44,195 and we got a session drummer. 690 00:42:44,329 --> 00:42:48,566 I was really not satisfied with what we did. 691 00:42:48,867 --> 00:42:52,103 If you have a... a table and one of the legs is missing, 692 00:42:52,237 --> 00:42:53,905 it doesn't sit steady. 693 00:42:54,139 --> 00:42:55,841 This was the sign, 694 00:42:55,974 --> 00:42:59,577 it's time for him to come back. We gotta find levon. 695 00:43:00,445 --> 00:43:05,917 696 00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:11,990 697 00:43:13,892 --> 00:43:15,761 We tracked him down and we told him 698 00:43:15,894 --> 00:43:18,296 about the place we had and that we were 699 00:43:18,429 --> 00:43:20,732 gonna get a record deal and all of this, 700 00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:25,203 and you could hear the joy in his voice. 701 00:43:26,071 --> 00:43:28,707 702 00:43:29,574 --> 00:43:31,710 703 00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:34,212 I remember meeting him 704 00:43:34,345 --> 00:43:37,749 and he was such a nice guy. He was such a charming person. 705 00:43:38,049 --> 00:43:40,085 There was a sense of relief 706 00:43:40,218 --> 00:43:42,020 in the band that he was back, 707 00:43:42,153 --> 00:43:44,322 and hopefully he would stay. 708 00:43:45,323 --> 00:43:48,359 Moved into the house there, there was an extra spot for me, 709 00:43:48,493 --> 00:43:50,161 and uh, started gettin' together, 710 00:43:50,295 --> 00:43:52,130 and just putting songs together. 711 00:43:52,330 --> 00:43:54,232 I had the sense that levon realized 712 00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:56,334 he was coming back to a good thing. 713 00:43:56,467 --> 00:43:57,903 They were on a salary, 714 00:43:58,036 --> 00:43:59,838 they were able to make their own music. 715 00:43:59,971 --> 00:44:02,307 Woodstock was full of young people and lots of girls. 716 00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:04,242 It was better than being on an oil rig in the middle 717 00:44:04,375 --> 00:44:07,846 of the Gulf of Mexico. Robbie played the tapes 718 00:44:07,979 --> 00:44:09,681 that they had made, "the basement tapes". 719 00:44:09,815 --> 00:44:17,288 720 00:44:18,456 --> 00:44:24,730 Levon's reaction was 721 00:44:24,863 --> 00:44:28,700 so extraordinary. He was blown away. 722 00:44:29,434 --> 00:44:31,269 We had never that kind of time 723 00:44:31,402 --> 00:44:33,939 on our hands, and there we are in the... 724 00:44:34,072 --> 00:44:36,641 In the catskills, and we don't have a show to play that night, 725 00:44:36,775 --> 00:44:39,711 so we were enjoying it, just sitting around, you know, 726 00:44:39,845 --> 00:44:41,847 the freedom to go down and play some music, 727 00:44:41,980 --> 00:44:45,350 or go outside and throw a football around at each other. 728 00:44:45,884 --> 00:44:47,652 That was just part of a... 729 00:44:47,786 --> 00:44:50,088 A lifestyle that we got to love 730 00:44:50,221 --> 00:44:53,424 in Woodstock, you know, just being able to chop wood, 731 00:44:53,558 --> 00:44:55,727 or hit your thumb with a hammer. 732 00:44:56,494 --> 00:44:59,530 We'd be concerned with fixing the tape recorder 733 00:44:59,664 --> 00:45:01,532 and getting the songs together. 734 00:45:01,666 --> 00:45:04,535 735 00:45:05,470 --> 00:45:10,842 736 00:45:11,109 --> 00:45:16,514 We had come out with a different sound, 737 00:45:16,647 --> 00:45:19,684 a different sensibility. The music didn't 738 00:45:19,885 --> 00:45:22,387 sound anything like what we did 739 00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:25,423 with Ronnie Hawkins, like anything we did 740 00:45:25,656 --> 00:45:27,358 as levon and the hawks. 741 00:45:27,492 --> 00:45:29,928 It didn't sound like anything we did 742 00:45:30,161 --> 00:45:34,432 with Bob Dylan on the infamous tour, so having 743 00:45:34,565 --> 00:45:37,002 a new name felt natural as well. 744 00:45:39,037 --> 00:45:42,340 745 00:45:42,874 --> 00:45:50,448 In the town, people'd say, 746 00:45:50,581 --> 00:45:53,751 "oh, those guys, they play with Bob. They're in the band." 747 00:45:54,019 --> 00:45:55,787 And we kept hearing, 748 00:45:56,054 --> 00:45:58,589 "the band," "the band," "the band." 749 00:45:58,824 --> 00:46:02,660 And it felt unpretentious, UN-jivy, 750 00:46:03,194 --> 00:46:04,162 UN-cute. 751 00:46:04,762 --> 00:46:07,465 Just strictly the band. 752 00:46:07,598 --> 00:46:10,101 We had done a lot of pre-production work, of course, 753 00:46:10,235 --> 00:46:13,471 at big pink. Robbie was doing a lot of the songwriting, 754 00:46:13,604 --> 00:46:15,506 you know, and doing a lot more homework likely 755 00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,443 than the rest of US. It was just a question of US 756 00:46:18,576 --> 00:46:20,778 arranging them, and putting them together, 757 00:46:20,912 --> 00:46:22,647 and making them as strong as possible 758 00:46:22,881 --> 00:46:24,015 and working together. 759 00:46:25,383 --> 00:46:27,953 760 00:46:29,387 --> 00:46:32,323 I came back to the house one evening. 761 00:46:32,623 --> 00:46:34,559 I thought, "I gotta do some writing 762 00:46:34,692 --> 00:46:36,828 for this record that we're working on." 763 00:46:36,962 --> 00:46:38,897 And I'm thinking, "what am I gonna write about?" 764 00:46:39,464 --> 00:46:41,933 And I'm sitting there with a guitar, 765 00:46:42,067 --> 00:46:43,768 noodling around. 766 00:46:45,336 --> 00:46:48,706 I look in the guitar, and inside, 767 00:46:49,107 --> 00:46:50,708 on Martin guitars, 768 00:46:50,842 --> 00:46:53,611 it talks about where they're made. 769 00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:57,382 And they're made in nazareth, Pennsylvania. 770 00:46:58,850 --> 00:47:04,055 And it just, it was all coming to me. 771 00:47:04,622 --> 00:47:06,491 Going from Canada 772 00:47:06,791 --> 00:47:08,960 down to the Mississippi delta 773 00:47:09,094 --> 00:47:10,996 when I was 16 years old, 774 00:47:11,762 --> 00:47:15,200 characters and circumstances, 775 00:47:15,500 --> 00:47:18,703 all of it started to come back to me. 776 00:47:18,970 --> 00:47:20,972 And when I got to this chorus... 777 00:47:25,610 --> 00:47:30,448 And I could hear these voices... 778 00:47:30,982 --> 00:47:34,619 779 00:47:35,653 --> 00:47:38,623 And the whole thing just blended together. 780 00:47:38,756 --> 00:47:40,791 781 00:47:49,167 --> 00:47:51,036 782 00:47:51,736 --> 00:47:54,772 783 00:47:55,806 --> 00:47:58,009 784 00:47:58,409 --> 00:48:01,779 785 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:04,482 786 00:48:04,950 --> 00:48:07,552 787 00:48:08,853 --> 00:48:11,756 788 00:48:12,023 --> 00:48:13,558 789 00:48:15,660 --> 00:48:22,700 We discovered a whole 790 00:48:23,034 --> 00:48:25,770 vocal thing that we weren't aware that we even had. 791 00:48:26,104 --> 00:48:31,309 792 00:48:36,047 --> 00:48:37,782 I remember listening to playbacks 793 00:48:37,915 --> 00:48:40,685 after the sessions of songs and thinking, 794 00:48:41,319 --> 00:48:43,454 "I really like this stuff. 795 00:48:43,754 --> 00:48:47,025 And... I don't have anything to compare it to, 796 00:48:47,158 --> 00:48:49,794 but I really like it, and I hope everybody else does 797 00:48:50,028 --> 00:48:51,796 'cause I really think this is strong." 798 00:48:52,263 --> 00:48:56,801 799 00:48:58,569 --> 00:49:03,141 800 00:49:04,976 --> 00:49:07,278 801 00:49:08,413 --> 00:49:10,615 802 00:49:11,549 --> 00:49:13,918 803 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:21,292 804 00:49:26,564 --> 00:49:31,702 I was very excited playing this record for Bob. 805 00:49:32,003 --> 00:49:34,505 He hadn't heard a note of it. 806 00:49:34,972 --> 00:49:36,474 "The weight" comes on. 807 00:49:36,741 --> 00:49:38,809 He's like, "wait a minute. Who wrote that?" 808 00:49:38,943 --> 00:49:40,811 And I said, "I... I wrote that." 809 00:49:40,945 --> 00:49:44,582 He said, "you wrote that?" And I could just see 810 00:49:44,715 --> 00:49:47,318 the pride in his eyes. 811 00:49:47,618 --> 00:49:49,987 812 00:49:50,255 --> 00:49:53,391 813 00:49:54,325 --> 00:49:56,461 814 00:49:57,428 --> 00:49:59,664 815 00:50:00,931 --> 00:50:03,368 816 00:50:04,802 --> 00:50:06,537 817 00:50:06,937 --> 00:50:10,841 818 00:50:11,342 --> 00:50:13,111 I think I was in a little coffee shop 819 00:50:13,244 --> 00:50:16,214 in redbank, New Jersey. Kid came in 820 00:50:16,347 --> 00:50:19,284 with music from big pink and put it on the sound system. 821 00:50:19,417 --> 00:50:20,951 It was late at night, after... 822 00:50:21,152 --> 00:50:23,188 After the place was about to close down, 823 00:50:23,454 --> 00:50:25,022 which was a fantastic moment 824 00:50:25,156 --> 00:50:27,825 to be introduced to that music, you know? 825 00:50:27,958 --> 00:50:30,728 And suddenly this music comes on and everything changes. 826 00:50:30,861 --> 00:50:33,731 827 00:50:33,998 --> 00:50:36,601 828 00:50:37,001 --> 00:50:41,539 829 00:50:42,307 --> 00:50:44,209 When I heard big pink, it was as if someone 830 00:50:44,342 --> 00:50:46,711 had like, nailed me through the chest to the wall. 831 00:50:46,944 --> 00:50:49,647 I was just immediately converted. 832 00:50:50,047 --> 00:50:53,251 That was when cream was in its sort of, uh, mid-stage 833 00:50:53,518 --> 00:50:56,187 and pretty much severed my connection with the other two 834 00:50:56,321 --> 00:50:59,590 in the band. And I thought, "this is what I wanna do." 835 00:50:59,724 --> 00:51:02,193 - It changed my life. - They weren't 836 00:51:02,327 --> 00:51:04,462 reading out of the modern book of music. 837 00:51:04,595 --> 00:51:06,364 They went to the source. 838 00:51:06,664 --> 00:51:08,766 You'd say in the Caribbean, "they was musical 839 00:51:08,899 --> 00:51:10,868 to the core, to the bone". 840 00:51:11,202 --> 00:51:14,004 If there was any American musicians 841 00:51:14,305 --> 00:51:17,342 that were comparable to what the Beatles were, 842 00:51:18,042 --> 00:51:21,011 - it would've been them. 843 00:51:21,146 --> 00:51:25,450 844 00:51:25,916 --> 00:51:27,918 845 00:51:28,186 --> 00:51:30,755 846 00:51:32,557 --> 00:51:35,760 This is the middle of psychedelic era 847 00:51:35,893 --> 00:51:38,095 in popular music, so something comes along 848 00:51:38,229 --> 00:51:41,366 that is the antithesis of where music had been moving. 849 00:51:41,499 --> 00:51:43,701 Here come all these voices that sound 850 00:51:43,834 --> 00:51:45,603 like you've never heard them before, 851 00:51:45,836 --> 00:51:48,739 and like they've always been there, forever and ever. 852 00:51:49,039 --> 00:51:53,043 853 00:51:53,611 --> 00:51:56,447 854 00:51:56,881 --> 00:52:00,451 855 00:52:00,718 --> 00:52:03,521 856 00:52:03,788 --> 00:52:07,592 857 00:52:07,925 --> 00:52:16,767 858 00:52:18,369 --> 00:52:20,471 It was very clear the moment I met them 859 00:52:20,605 --> 00:52:22,340 who they were and what they were about. 860 00:52:22,573 --> 00:52:23,941 They were very grounded. 861 00:52:24,141 --> 00:52:26,344 They were very strong. They were very secure. 862 00:52:26,577 --> 00:52:28,813 They were gracious, like country people 863 00:52:28,946 --> 00:52:30,715 are gracious, and they were totally in love 864 00:52:30,848 --> 00:52:33,050 with their music, and they were in love with each other. 865 00:52:33,618 --> 00:52:36,321 I never saw any jealousy, I never saw any arguments, 866 00:52:36,454 --> 00:52:38,656 I never saw them disagree. It was always 867 00:52:38,789 --> 00:52:41,359 supporting each other. They were five brothers, 868 00:52:41,492 --> 00:52:43,528 very clearly five brothers who loved each other, 869 00:52:43,661 --> 00:52:47,332 and I never saw anything but that. In the '60s, 870 00:52:47,598 --> 00:52:49,033 part of the rebellion 871 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,537 was rejecting one's elders, rejecting one's parents. 872 00:52:53,304 --> 00:52:55,840 The guys in the band wanted to say, 873 00:52:55,973 --> 00:52:58,509 "hey, that's not right. We love our parents. 874 00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:01,546 "They worked very hard to bring US up 875 00:53:01,679 --> 00:53:03,514 and care for US." And so 876 00:53:03,814 --> 00:53:07,318 they wanted to have a picture of their families in the album. 877 00:53:07,452 --> 00:53:20,164 878 00:53:24,369 --> 00:53:27,972 It was a magical time within this group. 879 00:53:28,473 --> 00:53:29,874 We're getting somewhere. 880 00:53:34,879 --> 00:53:37,715 They made big pink and then Robbie said, "we wanna go out 881 00:53:37,848 --> 00:53:42,353 on the road." But then Rick drove his car into a ditch... 882 00:53:44,489 --> 00:53:45,756 ...and broke his neck. 883 00:53:47,858 --> 00:53:50,861 It was a terrible car accident. 884 00:53:51,296 --> 00:53:54,432 Rick was found wandering in the woods, 885 00:53:54,565 --> 00:53:57,067 which is pretty extraordinary for someone who has 886 00:53:57,201 --> 00:54:00,204 just broken his neck. He was 887 00:54:00,338 --> 00:54:03,408 taken to the hospital and put in traction for 888 00:54:03,708 --> 00:54:05,710 the longest time. We were all 889 00:54:05,843 --> 00:54:08,112 quite scared as to whether he would recover. 890 00:54:09,246 --> 00:54:11,248 We're canceling everything. 891 00:54:11,916 --> 00:54:13,784 Everything just stopped. 892 00:54:14,619 --> 00:54:17,722 Music from big pink becomes this thing, 893 00:54:17,988 --> 00:54:20,458 and we don't show up. We never play a concert. 894 00:54:20,925 --> 00:54:22,893 They're like, "who are these guys?" 895 00:54:25,029 --> 00:54:28,933 We were becoming the most mysterious people 896 00:54:29,066 --> 00:54:30,901 in the music business. 897 00:54:32,403 --> 00:54:34,572 After we recorded big pink, 898 00:54:34,705 --> 00:54:36,441 there is that thing of like, 899 00:54:36,574 --> 00:54:40,010 "whoa, what do we do now? Can we follow that up?" 900 00:54:40,277 --> 00:54:45,350 I was working day and night on musical ideas. 901 00:54:45,950 --> 00:54:48,753 Rick got out of the hospital, and then 902 00:54:48,886 --> 00:54:50,955 boom, we were back in the studio. 903 00:54:51,522 --> 00:54:59,129 904 00:54:59,430 --> 00:55:01,466 You hear timeless songwriting, 905 00:55:01,732 --> 00:55:03,901 painting pictures and telling stories, 906 00:55:04,535 --> 00:55:06,103 a cohesion 907 00:55:06,236 --> 00:55:08,072 which is greater than the sum of the parts. 908 00:55:08,906 --> 00:55:10,875 They were the very first band 909 00:55:11,008 --> 00:55:12,943 who got it together in a country house, 910 00:55:13,143 --> 00:55:14,845 which became a big thing. 911 00:55:15,245 --> 00:55:17,348 When you shut out the rest of the world 912 00:55:17,482 --> 00:55:19,984 and the city, and just concentrate on... 913 00:55:20,117 --> 00:55:23,220 Music-making and performing and each other, 914 00:55:23,888 --> 00:55:25,923 you get a different sort of result. 915 00:55:27,392 --> 00:55:31,462 916 00:55:31,796 --> 00:55:34,765 Taking some of that roots music, 917 00:55:34,899 --> 00:55:38,469 a little bit of muddy waters, a little bit of Hank Williams, 918 00:55:38,803 --> 00:55:41,305 no long guitar solos, it was 919 00:55:41,439 --> 00:55:43,207 just simple, straightforward music. 920 00:55:43,340 --> 00:55:45,743 Nowadays we call it americana. 921 00:55:50,548 --> 00:55:51,782 I was in Boston. 922 00:55:51,916 --> 00:55:53,283 I was sleeping on a couch, 923 00:55:53,418 --> 00:55:54,885 and it was "I shall be released" 924 00:55:55,019 --> 00:55:56,654 was what came on. 925 00:55:57,154 --> 00:55:59,390 I thought, "oh yeah, there's... There's something. I'm 926 00:55:59,790 --> 00:56:01,826 connecting with something here." That's what I thought. 927 00:56:02,760 --> 00:56:05,463 I got an impression there was a lot of mythology going on. 928 00:56:05,996 --> 00:56:10,535 929 00:56:11,869 --> 00:56:16,073 You'd never really heard a sound like that. 930 00:56:17,041 --> 00:56:19,043 It also it reminded me greatly 931 00:56:19,176 --> 00:56:21,712 of 19th century literature, American literature. 932 00:56:21,979 --> 00:56:25,683 933 00:56:26,451 --> 00:56:29,186 934 00:56:29,654 --> 00:56:34,559 935 00:56:34,825 --> 00:56:37,394 Particularly melville. There's something 936 00:56:37,528 --> 00:56:40,130 about the melville stories, and the sense of... 937 00:56:40,364 --> 00:56:43,534 Searching the band brings to mind for me. 938 00:56:43,668 --> 00:56:46,403 Each song is like a little John steinbeck novel. 939 00:56:46,771 --> 00:56:49,373 Steinbeck also gives you these images of america, 940 00:56:49,507 --> 00:56:51,108 of dustbowl america. 941 00:56:51,609 --> 00:56:58,783 942 00:56:59,083 --> 00:57:01,952 I spent quite a bit of time 943 00:57:02,319 --> 00:57:04,689 with the band, and one of the things that Robbie said to me 944 00:57:04,822 --> 00:57:06,891 was the fact that when he wrote a tune, he had 945 00:57:07,024 --> 00:57:09,059 all these different singers who could sing the song. 946 00:57:09,193 --> 00:57:12,296 And he could write lyrics, like, to write a song 947 00:57:12,429 --> 00:57:14,465 knowing that levon was gonna sing it. 948 00:57:14,599 --> 00:57:17,001 You know, you could be... You could write much different 949 00:57:17,134 --> 00:57:19,069 to knowing if you were gonna have to do it yourself. 950 00:57:19,203 --> 00:57:25,242 When they came together, something happened 951 00:57:25,710 --> 00:57:28,546 that could not have occurred on their own 952 00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:30,481 or individually. You know, something... 953 00:57:31,415 --> 00:57:32,783 Miraculous occurred. 954 00:57:34,118 --> 00:57:38,556 955 00:57:43,828 --> 00:57:46,631 We were booked to play our first job 956 00:57:46,764 --> 00:57:50,467 as the band at winterland, in San Francisco, 957 00:57:50,668 --> 00:57:52,503 with bill Graham presenting. 958 00:57:54,171 --> 00:57:56,173 We went up to San Francisco, like, 959 00:57:56,306 --> 00:58:00,410 two days early. Robbie is sick as a dog. 960 00:58:01,111 --> 00:58:04,849 I'm completely drained 961 00:58:04,982 --> 00:58:08,853 and it hits me: The last time we played together, 962 00:58:08,986 --> 00:58:12,056 everybody boos US everywhere we go, right? 963 00:58:12,322 --> 00:58:15,726 Am I having some kind of stage fright thing? 964 00:58:16,761 --> 00:58:19,697 He's got a fever of 103. 965 00:58:19,830 --> 00:58:23,033 I'm saying to bill Graham, "we've gotta cancel. I'm sorry." 966 00:58:23,601 --> 00:58:26,704 Bill Graham says, "impossible. There is 967 00:58:26,837 --> 00:58:29,540 no way in the world that we can cancel this." 968 00:58:30,307 --> 00:58:32,276 And finally bill says, 969 00:58:32,409 --> 00:58:35,345 "what do you think about the idea 970 00:58:35,479 --> 00:58:37,848 of US bringing in a hypnotist?" 971 00:58:41,018 --> 00:58:43,854 A little guy, about 5'8", 972 00:58:43,988 --> 00:58:46,691 black suit, white carnation, shows up, 973 00:58:46,957 --> 00:58:48,659 and he puts him under. 974 00:58:50,160 --> 00:58:53,163 And he's saying, "your stomach will feel 975 00:58:53,297 --> 00:58:55,032 as calm as a lake. 976 00:58:55,232 --> 00:58:58,703 Your head feels as cool as a winter breeze." 977 00:59:00,671 --> 00:59:03,307 The next thing I know, my head doesn't feel 978 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,310 so bad. And I'm thinking, 979 00:59:06,443 --> 00:59:09,246 "I'll be damned, I'm actually feeling 980 00:59:09,513 --> 00:59:13,250 stronger and better than I was before." 981 00:59:14,018 --> 00:59:15,285 He says, 982 00:59:15,653 --> 00:59:17,855 "any time you start to feel too weak, 983 00:59:17,988 --> 00:59:19,724 you look over at me 984 00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:23,728 and I'm gonna say to you, 'grow.'" 985 00:59:24,061 --> 00:59:26,597 986 00:59:57,094 --> 01:00:01,531 And the crowd is yelling and we're playing. 987 01:00:01,832 --> 01:00:06,103 And I look over at him and he goes, "grow." 988 01:00:07,872 --> 01:00:10,808 This guy had to be onstage with Robbie. 989 01:00:10,941 --> 01:00:13,644 This was the first concert I'd ever experienced with them, 990 01:00:13,944 --> 01:00:15,512 so... what did I know? But I did, 991 01:00:15,646 --> 01:00:17,982 I know that usually there's not a hypnotist onstage. 992 01:00:18,916 --> 01:00:24,689 Everybody got their own starring moment. 993 01:00:25,155 --> 01:00:26,590 Rick had his songs. 994 01:00:26,824 --> 01:00:28,993 Garth got to do "chest fever," 995 01:00:29,293 --> 01:00:31,128 and Richard was brilliant. 996 01:00:31,395 --> 01:00:33,630 So in those first year and a half, 997 01:00:33,764 --> 01:00:37,167 - it was amazing. 998 01:00:38,302 --> 01:00:42,306 999 01:00:42,606 --> 01:00:45,910 1000 01:00:47,678 --> 01:00:51,882 1001 01:00:52,182 --> 01:00:54,451 1002 01:00:57,587 --> 01:00:59,523 Well, when we first went out on tour, 1003 01:00:59,824 --> 01:01:01,859 they were famous because of their relationship 1004 01:01:01,992 --> 01:01:05,262 with Bob Dylan, but here they were now as themselves. 1005 01:01:05,462 --> 01:01:09,333 This was the band. That brought about a fame 1006 01:01:09,466 --> 01:01:11,501 to them that they had never had before. 1007 01:01:11,902 --> 01:01:14,271 Announcer: Folks, the band. 1008 01:01:14,404 --> 01:01:17,441 1009 01:01:33,657 --> 01:01:39,529 1010 01:01:40,097 --> 01:01:42,299 And I got the chance to go and meet Robbie. 1011 01:01:42,800 --> 01:01:44,969 And I went up to Woodstock to hang with him. 1012 01:01:45,169 --> 01:01:47,972 And the reason I went up there was to pluck up the nerve 1013 01:01:48,105 --> 01:01:50,040 to ask him if I could join the band. 1014 01:01:50,174 --> 01:01:52,609 Maybe they needed a rhythm guitar player! 1015 01:02:00,317 --> 01:02:04,454 And I was wearing pink boots and I had curly hair, 1016 01:02:04,588 --> 01:02:06,190 just psychedelic. And they were 1017 01:02:06,323 --> 01:02:07,858 kinda really earthy. 1018 01:02:08,692 --> 01:02:10,527 And I was saying, "well, let's jam." 1019 01:02:10,660 --> 01:02:11,896 And he said, "we don't jam." 1020 01:02:12,129 --> 01:02:13,898 So it was a songwriting outfit. 1021 01:02:15,732 --> 01:02:19,870 Robbie's listening to the way 1022 01:02:20,004 --> 01:02:21,906 that each of them play, but the way they worked 1023 01:02:22,106 --> 01:02:23,974 as a unit was, like, incredible. 1024 01:02:24,108 --> 01:02:25,876 Rick was pretty dynamic, 1025 01:02:26,010 --> 01:02:27,778 and he was a very powerful energy. 1026 01:02:27,912 --> 01:02:31,949 Garth was shy, and I fell in love with Richard. 1027 01:02:32,082 --> 01:02:35,385 He was the most mournful, soulful thing I'd ever heard. 1028 01:02:35,719 --> 01:02:38,588 1029 01:02:40,324 --> 01:02:43,427 1030 01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:48,265 1031 01:02:49,199 --> 01:02:53,170 1032 01:02:54,538 --> 01:02:58,909 God, Richard was such a sensitive man. 1033 01:02:59,443 --> 01:03:01,278 Like a wounded bird. 1034 01:03:01,879 --> 01:03:04,614 But a beautiful, beautiful soul. 1035 01:03:05,615 --> 01:03:07,151 He was very fragile, 1036 01:03:07,284 --> 01:03:09,053 and we liked to drink together. 1037 01:03:09,619 --> 01:03:12,789 When you put US together, there was an instant bond. 1038 01:03:13,257 --> 01:03:15,960 Robbie, in a way, was kind of outside of that 1039 01:03:16,093 --> 01:03:18,262 because I saw Robbie as the straight guy. 1040 01:03:18,395 --> 01:03:20,898 He was a guy who we could drink with, 1041 01:03:21,031 --> 01:03:23,600 but at some point, he would lose interest in that, 1042 01:03:23,733 --> 01:03:26,003 you know, whereas me and Richard were the kind of people 1043 01:03:26,136 --> 01:03:27,872 that we would like to drink together, 1044 01:03:28,005 --> 01:03:30,707 but we'd drink... we'd like drinking even more on our own. 1045 01:03:34,111 --> 01:03:36,046 Just when the band was really hitting, 1046 01:03:36,180 --> 01:03:40,417 the difference between Robbie and the rest of the band was 1047 01:03:40,617 --> 01:03:44,121 his family was incredibly important to him. 1048 01:03:44,254 --> 01:03:45,856 He already had a baby. 1049 01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:49,159 Dominique was this incredibly vital, 1050 01:03:49,293 --> 01:03:51,996 smart woman that he liked hanging with. 1051 01:03:52,129 --> 01:03:55,832 She was incredibly beautiful. And the rest of the guys 1052 01:03:55,966 --> 01:03:59,703 were still trying to figure out did they want a family or not? 1053 01:03:59,836 --> 01:04:02,306 And they were consuming a lot of drugs, 1054 01:04:02,672 --> 01:04:03,974 playing a lot, 1055 01:04:04,508 --> 01:04:06,977 drinking too much, you know, everything else. 1056 01:04:08,012 --> 01:04:10,180 In Woodstock, it was... 1057 01:04:10,414 --> 01:04:14,151 At one point, car accidents. And the phone ringing 1058 01:04:14,284 --> 01:04:16,486 in the middle of the night to say this one or that one 1059 01:04:16,620 --> 01:04:19,823 had totaled the car or was in the ditch. 1060 01:04:22,359 --> 01:04:24,394 Rick, he was lucky, you know, 1061 01:04:24,528 --> 01:04:26,663 but it became far too 1062 01:04:26,863 --> 01:04:30,067 often that there were situations like that. 1063 01:04:32,002 --> 01:04:34,204 I had this mustang 1064 01:04:34,972 --> 01:04:36,540 that Robbie had bought, 1065 01:04:37,341 --> 01:04:39,209 and Richard wanted to drive it. 1066 01:04:39,977 --> 01:04:42,346 I said, "really, can you do it?" 1067 01:04:42,479 --> 01:04:45,882 And he said, "well, I sober up behind the wheel." 1068 01:04:48,485 --> 01:04:50,720 And I said, "please, don't go so fast, 1069 01:04:50,854 --> 01:04:52,589 you know, can you see? Can you see?" 1070 01:04:52,722 --> 01:04:55,059 And he said, "oh, I can see like a lynx." 1071 01:04:58,095 --> 01:05:00,864 You know, and I was naive, frankly. 1072 01:05:01,198 --> 01:05:05,402 We hit this curve, and it was like every... 1073 01:05:05,535 --> 01:05:08,138 Hit every cement pole in the curve. 1074 01:05:10,374 --> 01:05:11,841 We ended up in the ditch. 1075 01:05:13,343 --> 01:05:15,112 Then Richard lit a match. 1076 01:05:16,981 --> 01:05:19,383 And I thought, "you're gonna blow the car. 1077 01:05:19,516 --> 01:05:21,851 We have to get out." Push. "Get out. Get out." 1078 01:05:25,222 --> 01:05:27,091 We were at big pink and somebody 1079 01:05:27,224 --> 01:05:29,159 came rushing up and said... 1080 01:05:29,459 --> 01:05:32,129 "Richard's just had an accident and he's crashed a new car." 1081 01:05:32,629 --> 01:05:35,299 Levon you know, jumps into his corvette 1082 01:05:35,966 --> 01:05:37,667 and rushes to the scene, 1083 01:05:37,901 --> 01:05:40,337 and accidentally crashes into the police car. 1084 01:05:42,906 --> 01:05:45,742 The cop threw levon on the back of a car. 1085 01:05:46,043 --> 01:05:48,745 I think they handcuffed him. I don't know how long 1086 01:05:48,878 --> 01:05:53,050 it took me, you know, to really absorb the shock. 1087 01:05:55,952 --> 01:05:58,622 Richard could've killed Dominique. 1088 01:05:59,389 --> 01:06:00,624 What do you say? 1089 01:06:01,125 --> 01:06:02,392 It pissed me off. 1090 01:06:03,727 --> 01:06:06,763 But it was something that we weren't educated in 1091 01:06:06,896 --> 01:06:09,899 at the time, of dealing with alcoholism. 1092 01:06:10,567 --> 01:06:13,537 And all the things that you think you should do 1093 01:06:13,803 --> 01:06:17,741 is mostly the things that you should absolutely not do. 1094 01:06:17,874 --> 01:06:20,944 1095 01:06:21,378 --> 01:06:23,147 1096 01:06:24,281 --> 01:06:28,452 1097 01:06:29,486 --> 01:06:31,188 1098 01:06:32,589 --> 01:06:36,360 And after that, there was a whole period 1099 01:06:36,493 --> 01:06:38,195 where he didn't hardly drink at all. 1100 01:06:38,628 --> 01:06:41,131 So we were holding it at bay. 1101 01:07:16,133 --> 01:07:20,504 By this point, there was an experimenting going on 1102 01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:23,473 that led to heroin. 1103 01:07:23,773 --> 01:07:27,644 And I was confused that the guys wanted 1104 01:07:27,844 --> 01:07:30,080 to play with that fire. 1105 01:07:31,648 --> 01:07:34,384 That was devastating. Nobody had 1106 01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:37,421 any understanding of addiction, 1107 01:07:37,554 --> 01:07:41,425 that it's a mental disorder. And at the time, 1108 01:07:41,558 --> 01:07:43,460 it felt very much like a betrayal. 1109 01:07:44,528 --> 01:07:47,030 Robbie might've used, 1110 01:07:47,164 --> 01:07:49,766 he might've drank, he might've tried different things, 1111 01:07:49,899 --> 01:07:52,169 but he did not have that gene 1112 01:07:52,302 --> 01:07:55,672 that would cause him to become an addict. 1113 01:07:58,007 --> 01:07:59,443 He had a vision, 1114 01:07:59,576 --> 01:08:00,844 and nothing was gonna get in the way 1115 01:08:00,977 --> 01:08:02,179 of the vision. 1116 01:08:03,180 --> 01:08:07,451 If you think about the summer of 1969 into 1970, 1117 01:08:07,684 --> 01:08:10,254 music from big pink, I think Robbie wrote 1118 01:08:10,387 --> 01:08:14,291 less than half the songs. By the brown album, 1119 01:08:14,424 --> 01:08:16,693 he wrote maybe two thirds of the songs. 1120 01:08:16,826 --> 01:08:20,029 By stage fright, he was writing all of the songs. 1121 01:08:20,497 --> 01:08:22,966 And it wasn't that he wanted to do that. 1122 01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:25,535 Robbie would start writing, like, 1123 01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:28,738 at ten in the morning. And to be honest, 1124 01:08:29,105 --> 01:08:31,708 levon, and Rick, and Richard, were still asleep. 1125 01:08:32,742 --> 01:08:34,811 I loved writing with Richard. 1126 01:08:35,545 --> 01:08:38,448 Richard had a beautiful, melodic ear, 1127 01:08:38,815 --> 01:08:41,285 and he would come up with chord changes 1128 01:08:41,418 --> 01:08:42,786 I would never find, 1129 01:08:43,052 --> 01:08:48,425 but somehow it just wasn't happening for him, 1130 01:08:48,625 --> 01:08:53,029 and if I pushed too hard, it made him feel bad. 1131 01:08:53,797 --> 01:08:55,832 With Richard, it was really poignant. 1132 01:08:56,466 --> 01:08:58,368 I very clearly remember Robbie 1133 01:08:58,502 --> 01:09:01,338 pleading with Richard, asking him, do you have anything? 1134 01:09:01,638 --> 01:09:04,508 Anything to add to the song? Richard just didn't have it. 1135 01:09:04,641 --> 01:09:06,276 He didn't have anything to offer. 1136 01:09:07,744 --> 01:09:10,447 It was up to Robbie and garth, primarily, 1137 01:09:10,580 --> 01:09:13,783 to keep driving the basic creative force, 1138 01:09:13,917 --> 01:09:18,021 and hoping that their friends would keep on. 1139 01:09:19,656 --> 01:09:21,291 During the recording of stage fright, 1140 01:09:21,425 --> 01:09:23,126 heroin was being used. 1141 01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:25,995 It had an effect on their energy, their ability 1142 01:09:26,129 --> 01:09:29,366 to be present. Levon would sometimes be 1143 01:09:29,499 --> 01:09:32,269 nodded out upstairs, and it was a little sad, you know, 1144 01:09:32,402 --> 01:09:34,938 because he would come down, and you could still see a look 1145 01:09:35,071 --> 01:09:37,241 in his eye that was a little strange, 1146 01:09:37,374 --> 01:09:38,842 and it was-- it was difficult. 1147 01:09:40,810 --> 01:09:43,913 This is very different from the very energetic levon 1148 01:09:44,047 --> 01:09:46,750 that I used to know, who was always very wiry, 1149 01:09:46,883 --> 01:09:48,685 always up for action, 1150 01:09:48,818 --> 01:09:51,020 up for going after it, whatever it may be, 1151 01:09:52,389 --> 01:09:55,759 and now it was like sleepy time. That's not easy to deal with. 1152 01:09:56,893 --> 01:09:59,095 It's hard to connect with somebody 1153 01:09:59,229 --> 01:10:01,865 who's doing that, it's hard to trust, 1154 01:10:01,998 --> 01:10:05,602 it's hard to really keep a friendship going. 1155 01:10:05,735 --> 01:10:09,506 It was beginning to feel like a real fracture. 1156 01:10:11,007 --> 01:10:13,142 One day I said to levon, 1157 01:10:13,277 --> 01:10:16,012 "I can see what's going on. I know you." 1158 01:10:16,513 --> 01:10:20,317 And he was doing the junkie denial 1159 01:10:20,450 --> 01:10:23,887 and explaining and making excuses 1160 01:10:24,020 --> 01:10:27,090 and laughing and slapping me on the back, 1161 01:10:27,391 --> 01:10:30,694 and I'd never had this kind of an encounter with him before. 1162 01:10:32,829 --> 01:10:35,865 We don't do that. We don't lie to one another. 1163 01:10:38,702 --> 01:10:44,073 I still loved him, but something got broken 1164 01:10:44,207 --> 01:10:46,776 in that. It was like glass, 1165 01:10:47,577 --> 01:10:50,146 it was hard to put back together again. 1166 01:10:52,015 --> 01:10:54,083 It was not just an exasperation, 1167 01:10:54,217 --> 01:10:57,654 it was a feeling that Robbie could lose everything. 1168 01:10:58,955 --> 01:11:02,158 That brotherhood, that friendship, 1169 01:11:02,292 --> 01:11:05,895 that bond, that love that they had for each other. 1170 01:11:06,029 --> 01:11:07,397 They were terrific guys, 1171 01:11:07,531 --> 01:11:10,066 I loved them myself, all of them, 1172 01:11:10,199 --> 01:11:12,969 but when you begin to function out of fear 1173 01:11:13,102 --> 01:11:15,972 of losing something, it's maddening. 1174 01:11:16,706 --> 01:11:19,876 I think I wanted something that I couldn't have, 1175 01:11:20,009 --> 01:11:23,046 which was normalcy and a regular schedule. 1176 01:11:23,246 --> 01:11:28,084 After the children were born, my focus changed entirely. 1177 01:11:28,217 --> 01:11:31,755 1178 01:11:34,358 --> 01:11:36,693 1179 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,895 1180 01:11:41,431 --> 01:11:44,901 1181 01:11:46,169 --> 01:11:50,374 Our children were elevating my life, 1182 01:11:50,507 --> 01:11:52,442 they were making everything 1183 01:11:52,576 --> 01:11:55,779 have a beautiful aura around it, 1184 01:11:55,912 --> 01:11:58,314 except when I had to go to work, 1185 01:11:58,748 --> 01:12:03,853 and then this darkness, this cloud came back overhead. 1186 01:12:04,621 --> 01:12:07,357 My family was my saving grace. 1187 01:12:08,091 --> 01:12:12,195 1188 01:12:14,263 --> 01:12:17,667 1189 01:12:19,002 --> 01:12:28,177 I had to go from Woodstock out to Los Angeles, 1190 01:12:28,311 --> 01:12:31,648 and while I was out there, I got a message 1191 01:12:32,115 --> 01:12:35,619 that this guy who had a record company 1192 01:12:35,752 --> 01:12:39,789 wanted to meet with me, and his name was David geffen. 1193 01:12:40,089 --> 01:12:42,726 1194 01:12:48,732 --> 01:12:54,337 1195 01:12:54,838 --> 01:12:56,740 In every band, there is someone 1196 01:12:56,873 --> 01:12:58,908 who ends up being the leader one way or the other. 1197 01:12:59,042 --> 01:13:00,944 Usually, the star is the lead singer. 1198 01:13:01,244 --> 01:13:02,278 In the band, it wasn't. 1199 01:13:03,079 --> 01:13:05,415 Robbie's a star. You put him in any group, 1200 01:13:05,549 --> 01:13:07,383 Robbie'll start talking, and telling stories, 1201 01:13:07,517 --> 01:13:09,886 and performing, and he's a star. 1202 01:13:10,987 --> 01:13:14,891 David geffen was a manager, a record executive. 1203 01:13:15,692 --> 01:13:19,663 He thought if he could get Bob Dylan to his record company, 1204 01:13:19,796 --> 01:13:23,700 that would cement him as the king of the music business. 1205 01:13:24,300 --> 01:13:27,571 David saw Robbie as a way to make that happen. 1206 01:13:28,438 --> 01:13:31,040 He started romancing Robbie. 1207 01:13:33,142 --> 01:13:36,446 David was incredibly candid, 1208 01:13:36,580 --> 01:13:38,748 incredibly straightforward, 1209 01:13:39,215 --> 01:13:41,384 and back in Woodstock, in the world 1210 01:13:41,518 --> 01:13:45,188 of Albert Grossman, and of Bob Dylan, 1211 01:13:45,321 --> 01:13:47,557 a lot was left unsaid. 1212 01:13:48,391 --> 01:13:50,960 There was something about meeting with David 1213 01:13:51,094 --> 01:13:52,462 that was so open. 1214 01:13:52,729 --> 01:13:54,430 I remember saying to Robbie, 1215 01:13:54,564 --> 01:13:57,834 of all the places you could live, why pick Woodstock? 1216 01:13:57,967 --> 01:13:59,869 Because Albert Grossman lives here? 1217 01:14:00,470 --> 01:14:02,639 I thought it was a shithole, I mean, I hated it. 1218 01:14:03,406 --> 01:14:06,109 I suggested to Robbie that he move to Malibu. 1219 01:14:06,710 --> 01:14:09,479 1220 01:14:09,746 --> 01:14:12,048 1221 01:14:12,315 --> 01:14:18,054 1222 01:14:18,522 --> 01:14:22,125 If you could imagine, that move to Malibu, sight unseen, 1223 01:14:22,526 --> 01:14:24,728 it was another twilight zone experiment. 1224 01:14:25,094 --> 01:14:26,162 You know? For me. 1225 01:14:27,430 --> 01:14:31,234 - I guess for all of US. - Robbie loved it. 1226 01:14:31,601 --> 01:14:34,337 1227 01:14:42,211 --> 01:14:44,814 It did feel like something fresh. 1228 01:14:45,281 --> 01:14:46,916 He woke up every morning at the ocean, 1229 01:14:47,551 --> 01:14:49,052 his kids loved it, 1230 01:14:49,519 --> 01:14:51,955 his wife loved it. You know, I remember Robbie saying to me, 1231 01:14:52,088 --> 01:14:54,290 what the fuck was I doing in Woodstock? 1232 01:14:56,259 --> 01:15:00,063 I was like, I'm gonna call the guys, tell 'em to come out here. 1233 01:15:00,196 --> 01:15:04,000 1234 01:15:11,140 --> 01:15:13,076 I thought it would be very stimulating for Robbie, 1235 01:15:13,309 --> 01:15:14,978 I thought it would be stimulating for the band, 1236 01:15:15,111 --> 01:15:16,479 and Bob was there. 1237 01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,381 Robbie was the one who suggested I meet him. 1238 01:15:19,315 --> 01:15:23,019 The next thing, David geffen is saying, you know, 1239 01:15:23,152 --> 01:15:28,224 it might be a great idea for Bob Dylan and the band 1240 01:15:28,357 --> 01:15:31,160 to play together again, and do a tour. 1241 01:15:31,460 --> 01:15:35,632 1242 01:15:51,815 --> 01:15:54,718 Bob had basically been in hiding in Woodstock 1243 01:15:54,851 --> 01:15:57,286 since the tour of '66. 1244 01:15:57,420 --> 01:16:00,757 David somehow managed to convince Bob 1245 01:16:00,890 --> 01:16:02,425 to come out on the road. 1246 01:16:02,558 --> 01:16:04,093 No one had seen Bob for years. 1247 01:16:04,227 --> 01:16:05,428 It created quite a stir. 1248 01:16:05,895 --> 01:16:07,597 It was what David geffen wanted, 1249 01:16:07,931 --> 01:16:11,467 but David was just pure, unleashed ambition. 1250 01:16:12,035 --> 01:16:16,372 1251 01:16:19,909 --> 01:16:22,879 1252 01:16:24,413 --> 01:16:26,349 The last time we played together, 1253 01:16:26,549 --> 01:16:30,419 in 1966, it wasn't very well received. 1254 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,523 Now we go out, it was embraced 1255 01:16:35,258 --> 01:16:37,393 like the second coming. 1256 01:16:37,661 --> 01:16:42,131 1257 01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:48,271 We didn't change a thing; The world changed. 1258 01:16:48,604 --> 01:16:49,906 It was kind of a good feeling. 1259 01:16:50,539 --> 01:16:54,010 1260 01:16:57,747 --> 01:17:00,449 1261 01:17:01,484 --> 01:17:03,753 I had signed the band 1262 01:17:03,887 --> 01:17:05,689 and Bob Dylan to asylum records. 1263 01:17:06,155 --> 01:17:07,824 I had a handshake agreement with them, 1264 01:17:08,091 --> 01:17:09,693 because Bob Dylan said to me, 1265 01:17:09,826 --> 01:17:12,996 "is my word good for you?" And I thought, Bob Dylan, 1266 01:17:13,129 --> 01:17:15,264 he wrote "blowin' in the wind", "the times they are a-changin'." 1267 01:17:15,899 --> 01:17:17,400 Yeah, I'll take your word. 1268 01:17:17,667 --> 01:17:20,804 1269 01:17:23,973 --> 01:17:27,076 1270 01:17:27,711 --> 01:17:29,645 What I remember very clearly, 1271 01:17:29,779 --> 01:17:34,851 after the tour of '74, they went on tour as the band, 1272 01:17:35,084 --> 01:17:36,485 and not with Bob Dylan. 1273 01:17:36,786 --> 01:17:38,688 1274 01:17:44,093 --> 01:17:47,530 1275 01:17:47,797 --> 01:17:56,172 1276 01:17:59,275 --> 01:18:03,046 After a while touring, it was very noticeable 1277 01:18:03,179 --> 01:18:06,182 that there was change afoot. 1278 01:18:06,515 --> 01:18:10,720 1279 01:18:11,721 --> 01:18:14,824 We played a gig in Cleveland... 1280 01:18:19,729 --> 01:18:22,598 ...Richard had been doing heroin, 1281 01:18:22,732 --> 01:18:24,667 and apparently he lost his stash. 1282 01:18:25,468 --> 01:18:26,803 Sorry about the delay, 1283 01:18:26,936 --> 01:18:28,905 Richard Manuel, the pianist, 1284 01:18:29,138 --> 01:18:32,041 has taken ill, he's being taken care of backstage. 1285 01:18:32,175 --> 01:18:34,377 The band is gonna go on in a few minutes without Richard. 1286 01:18:34,510 --> 01:18:35,812 Hopefully he'll be fine. 1287 01:18:37,513 --> 01:18:39,916 They actually played the concert 1288 01:18:40,049 --> 01:18:44,653 as a quartet, without Richard, and it sounded so strange. 1289 01:18:45,221 --> 01:18:48,391 I kept seeing a lot of looks between everybody. 1290 01:18:48,825 --> 01:18:50,994 Obviously very uncomfortable with this. 1291 01:18:51,127 --> 01:18:55,331 1292 01:18:55,799 --> 01:18:57,700 1293 01:18:58,567 --> 01:19:00,436 These guys were soldiers, 1294 01:19:01,004 --> 01:19:04,040 but Richard Manuel had a disease. 1295 01:19:04,673 --> 01:19:07,143 This band was a real band. 1296 01:19:07,443 --> 01:19:13,249 All those spark plugs needed to be ignited, or it didn't work. 1297 01:19:13,616 --> 01:19:16,585 1298 01:19:17,553 --> 01:19:20,323 1299 01:19:20,924 --> 01:19:23,092 At first it was Richard holding everybody back, 1300 01:19:23,226 --> 01:19:24,660 he wasn't able to play, 1301 01:19:24,794 --> 01:19:26,129 and that's why they called me out there, 1302 01:19:26,262 --> 01:19:27,296 to try to scare Richard straight. 1303 01:19:27,864 --> 01:19:29,098 Everybody, all of them 1304 01:19:29,365 --> 01:19:33,702 was good, young, honest, solid guys, all of 'em. 1305 01:19:33,903 --> 01:19:36,973 Two or three years later, they were different personalities. 1306 01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:40,676 1307 01:19:41,377 --> 01:19:44,280 The rhythm section had definitely fallen into 1308 01:19:44,413 --> 01:19:46,715 heavier drugs. And once again, 1309 01:19:46,850 --> 01:19:49,552 it was up to Robbie and garth, primarily. 1310 01:19:53,857 --> 01:19:56,592 Levon was doing things he'd never done in a million years 1311 01:19:56,792 --> 01:19:58,127 if it hadn't been for drugs. 1312 01:19:58,427 --> 01:20:02,331 1313 01:20:03,732 --> 01:20:07,336 Levon often complained about our lawyer, 1314 01:20:07,470 --> 01:20:11,975 about our manager, and it was a kind of paranoia. 1315 01:20:12,608 --> 01:20:15,378 I would often say, "don't worry, 1316 01:20:15,511 --> 01:20:18,514 if anybody is taking advantage of US, 1317 01:20:18,647 --> 01:20:21,184 we are gonna stop that immediately." 1318 01:20:22,251 --> 01:20:24,954 But a bitterness set in with him. 1319 01:20:26,956 --> 01:20:29,525 Vivino: Levon felt something was being taken away, 1320 01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:33,329 you know? But families, man, nobody can feud like a family. 1321 01:20:34,063 --> 01:20:36,532 Families can go to the grave feuding. 1322 01:20:37,901 --> 01:20:40,503 If a person is getting a little more attention, 1323 01:20:40,836 --> 01:20:43,839 resentment can set in, you know, and jealousy. 1324 01:20:45,174 --> 01:20:49,545 Robbie kept moving forward, and not everybody could follow. 1325 01:20:49,812 --> 01:20:53,116 1326 01:20:54,984 --> 01:20:58,054 This is different now. This is hard. 1327 01:20:58,354 --> 01:21:00,323 This is kinda painful. 1328 01:21:02,258 --> 01:21:04,027 This could be tragic. 1329 01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:07,763 1330 01:21:08,131 --> 01:21:10,233 1331 01:21:11,034 --> 01:21:13,569 I don't know why we're doing this. 1332 01:21:18,874 --> 01:21:20,376 Robbie told me he just didn't wanna 1333 01:21:20,509 --> 01:21:22,411 go on the road with a suitcase full of heroin. 1334 01:21:23,046 --> 01:21:25,514 Robbie was planning the next step in his life. 1335 01:21:26,682 --> 01:21:29,285 I've always had that sense, way back 1336 01:21:29,418 --> 01:21:32,488 from when we cut the first album and we knew we had something, 1337 01:21:33,022 --> 01:21:35,258 and he said he wanted to work with ingmar bergman. 1338 01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:37,826 That's not the usual thing that a rock n' roller would say. 1339 01:21:37,961 --> 01:21:39,428 "I wanna work with ingmar bergman." 1340 01:21:43,699 --> 01:21:47,736 There were many elements that brought this to a head. 1341 01:21:48,471 --> 01:21:51,074 It wasn't only because of drugs, 1342 01:21:51,740 --> 01:21:55,344 after you've been together for 16 years, you think, 1343 01:21:55,578 --> 01:21:57,880 "we need to be able to catch our breath." 1344 01:21:58,081 --> 01:22:00,916 I thought, 1345 01:22:01,484 --> 01:22:03,953 "if we could get off the treadmill, 1346 01:22:04,087 --> 01:22:07,991 if we can go and take care of ourselves, 1347 01:22:08,357 --> 01:22:11,027 we might be able to come to our senses." 1348 01:22:11,627 --> 01:22:13,662 My solution was, 1349 01:22:13,796 --> 01:22:17,967 let's bring it to a culmination in the name of music. 1350 01:22:18,101 --> 01:22:19,969 That's how we fight back on this. 1351 01:22:20,236 --> 01:22:22,905 1352 01:22:24,073 --> 01:22:25,208 And we did. 1353 01:22:44,427 --> 01:22:46,762 The concert came together so quickly 1354 01:22:46,895 --> 01:22:48,597 it was almost shocking. 1355 01:22:48,864 --> 01:22:51,667 I think we started planning a month before we did it. 1356 01:22:51,934 --> 01:22:55,171 1357 01:22:56,039 --> 01:22:58,874 1358 01:23:00,076 --> 01:23:03,446 1359 01:23:04,147 --> 01:23:07,216 1360 01:23:08,851 --> 01:23:11,387 We decided to do it with our friends. 1361 01:23:12,955 --> 01:23:15,491 And that's why we felt comfortable 1362 01:23:15,624 --> 01:23:19,528 with the idea of doing "the last waltz". 1363 01:23:21,097 --> 01:23:22,665 1364 01:23:23,366 --> 01:23:25,201 1365 01:23:27,170 --> 01:23:32,575 I'm thinking, we should document it properly. 1366 01:23:32,708 --> 01:23:35,178 Let's think of some filmmaker 1367 01:23:35,378 --> 01:23:37,380 who could tell this story. 1368 01:23:38,747 --> 01:23:40,516 Robbie called me one day, 1369 01:23:40,749 --> 01:23:42,618 and he said, "these are some of the names in the lineup: 1370 01:23:42,818 --> 01:23:46,122 Joni Mitchell, Neil young, Van Morrison, muddy waters, 1371 01:23:46,422 --> 01:23:47,790 Eric Clapton." 1372 01:23:48,124 --> 01:23:50,126 Worse comes to worse, the library of congress 1373 01:23:50,259 --> 01:23:53,796 will have 35mm footage of these extraordinary people, 1374 01:23:53,929 --> 01:23:56,532 performers and artists, and that would be it. 1375 01:23:57,166 --> 01:23:59,835 What it became, really, it was a celebration. 1376 01:24:00,336 --> 01:24:03,872 It was a celebration. It was all the influences of the band. 1377 01:24:04,140 --> 01:24:06,509 1378 01:24:10,879 --> 01:24:13,849 Woo! Big time, bill! 1379 01:24:14,383 --> 01:24:15,851 Big time! Big time! 1380 01:24:15,984 --> 01:24:17,553 Ronnie Hawkins, 1381 01:24:17,686 --> 01:24:20,556 when I was 17 years old with him, I would play 1382 01:24:21,056 --> 01:24:24,560 and he would come over and fan the guitar 1383 01:24:24,827 --> 01:24:27,796 like it's gonna go up in flames if I don't cool it down. 1384 01:24:28,564 --> 01:24:30,733 It was just, it was so heartwarming. 1385 01:24:31,234 --> 01:24:32,468 Aaaah! 1386 01:24:34,537 --> 01:24:36,572 I went out with the boys a month early 1387 01:24:36,705 --> 01:24:39,408 just to see the rehearsals because I didn't know 1388 01:24:39,542 --> 01:24:41,610 a lot of these people, I'd never met 'em. I knew who they were, 1389 01:24:41,744 --> 01:24:42,911 big stars. 1390 01:24:43,346 --> 01:24:44,680 You see a lot of weird things out there, 1391 01:24:45,047 --> 01:24:47,350 and they paid 35,000 cash 1392 01:24:47,483 --> 01:24:50,052 right in front of me for a little ole bit of cocaine. 1393 01:24:50,353 --> 01:24:53,088 I snorted a couple lines and I said, "boys, 1394 01:24:53,222 --> 01:24:54,723 there's enough flour and sugar in this shit 1395 01:24:54,857 --> 01:24:56,091 you'll sneeze biscuits 1396 01:24:56,392 --> 01:24:57,760 for three fuckin' months after you snort this." 1397 01:24:59,495 --> 01:25:01,464 And they ended up buying another one. 1398 01:25:01,597 --> 01:25:06,369 1399 01:25:07,170 --> 01:25:09,272 All I remember is that it was more of a celebration 1400 01:25:09,405 --> 01:25:10,939 than feeling sad. 1401 01:25:11,073 --> 01:25:12,708 If I didn't know all these great-- all these people, 1402 01:25:13,776 --> 01:25:15,611 and that was a good gig, it was fun. 1403 01:25:15,744 --> 01:25:17,180 There was no pondering it. 1404 01:25:17,480 --> 01:25:19,348 It was only gonna happen once. You know, hey, presto. 1405 01:25:19,482 --> 01:25:24,253 1406 01:25:25,120 --> 01:25:29,992 1407 01:25:31,627 --> 01:25:37,866 It was a crazy idea, but we prepared so well. 1408 01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:41,437 I remember doing charts as to how to shoot, where to shoot, 1409 01:25:41,570 --> 01:25:43,339 which camera picks up which performer, 1410 01:25:43,472 --> 01:25:47,109 which lyric, which verse, the chorus, what instrument. 1411 01:25:48,477 --> 01:25:49,845 I said, "we shouldn't show the audience 1412 01:25:49,978 --> 01:25:51,447 reacting during songs. 1413 01:25:51,580 --> 01:25:52,948 We've seen it, so we stay on the stage." 1414 01:25:53,782 --> 01:25:55,918 We had hoped to get the way the band works, 1415 01:25:56,118 --> 01:25:58,621 the looks, the glances, the moves. 1416 01:25:58,821 --> 01:26:01,089 So I decided to stay onstage 1417 01:26:01,224 --> 01:26:03,125 with the performers, and how they relate to each other. 1418 01:26:03,259 --> 01:26:04,793 And that was the key to the whole piece. 1419 01:26:05,160 --> 01:26:07,496 1420 01:26:08,764 --> 01:26:10,533 When I found out who was on the bill, 1421 01:26:10,666 --> 01:26:11,867 I thought, "my god, 1422 01:26:12,134 --> 01:26:13,436 this is huge," you know? 1423 01:26:19,708 --> 01:26:21,844 The main memory I have of that thing 1424 01:26:22,044 --> 01:26:24,580 is obviously my strap coming off. 1425 01:26:25,314 --> 01:26:26,482 Whoa! 1426 01:26:27,216 --> 01:26:29,852 His strap broke, so I jumped in. 1427 01:26:30,118 --> 01:26:32,521 You've gotta cover his back, he was our guest! 1428 01:26:42,965 --> 01:26:45,968 And then he's like, "wait a minute, pal, 1429 01:26:46,101 --> 01:26:49,238 let's not get too fancy over there." 1430 01:27:05,688 --> 01:27:07,356 1431 01:27:08,190 --> 01:27:10,659 What I remember about it, it was just... 1432 01:27:11,460 --> 01:27:13,161 So free, it was... 1433 01:27:13,296 --> 01:27:15,331 And I mean, nobody knew what was gonna happen next. 1434 01:27:16,198 --> 01:27:18,133 And I loved it, I loved it. 1435 01:27:18,267 --> 01:27:19,768 I didn't want it to ever end. 1436 01:27:20,068 --> 01:27:24,273 1437 01:27:24,540 --> 01:27:27,543 1438 01:27:30,413 --> 01:27:35,117 1439 01:27:38,454 --> 01:27:41,390 1440 01:27:42,591 --> 01:27:45,628 1441 01:27:46,562 --> 01:27:51,066 1442 01:27:52,668 --> 01:27:54,269 "The last waltz" 1443 01:27:54,403 --> 01:27:58,140 was such a beautiful thank-you 1444 01:27:58,374 --> 01:28:01,910 to this wonderful journey that we'd been on, 1445 01:28:02,044 --> 01:28:05,348 and the amazing experiences we had. 1446 01:28:06,181 --> 01:28:09,117 The whole thing was so moving. 1447 01:28:09,785 --> 01:28:12,621 1448 01:28:13,722 --> 01:28:16,459 1449 01:28:17,593 --> 01:28:22,331 1450 01:28:35,644 --> 01:28:37,145 Thank you very much. 1451 01:28:40,148 --> 01:28:43,452 - Thank you. - Thank you very much. 1452 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,644 1453 01:29:10,746 --> 01:29:13,348 1454 01:29:15,083 --> 01:29:18,153 1455 01:29:19,254 --> 01:29:22,057 1456 01:29:22,725 --> 01:29:24,993 We need a little bit more of the harp 1457 01:29:25,794 --> 01:29:29,197 in the intro and in the first turnaround. 1458 01:29:29,498 --> 01:29:32,435 You want a little bit more, like, grit on it, or... 1459 01:29:32,568 --> 01:29:36,104 Yeah, just a little more atmosphere. Not so dry. 1460 01:29:36,371 --> 01:29:37,840 Yeah, got it. 1461 01:29:40,242 --> 01:29:43,245 1462 01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:47,182 We did "the last waltz" 1463 01:29:47,683 --> 01:29:51,587 with the idea that we would put that away, 1464 01:29:51,720 --> 01:29:53,756 take care of one another a bit, 1465 01:29:54,389 --> 01:29:58,026 and really come back together again 1466 01:29:58,160 --> 01:30:01,430 and make music like we had never made before. 1467 01:30:01,564 --> 01:30:04,533 That was our dream. That was the idea. 1468 01:30:06,234 --> 01:30:09,037 Everybody just forgot to come back. 1469 01:30:10,873 --> 01:30:13,208 1470 01:30:15,077 --> 01:30:17,680 1471 01:30:20,015 --> 01:30:22,585 1472 01:30:23,886 --> 01:30:26,489 1473 01:30:30,292 --> 01:30:31,660 I was the first one 1474 01:30:31,894 --> 01:30:33,261 who was heartbroken, in a way, 1475 01:30:33,395 --> 01:30:35,263 because I loved the band so much, 1476 01:30:36,098 --> 01:30:37,566 you know, and it felt like 1477 01:30:37,700 --> 01:30:40,268 it's closing this book, this chapter. 1478 01:30:41,737 --> 01:30:43,572 If somebody had said, 1479 01:30:43,706 --> 01:30:45,908 I've got a couple of tunes started, 1480 01:30:46,041 --> 01:30:51,313 we're dying to go in and create some music, 1481 01:30:52,447 --> 01:30:54,282 I would've said yes in a minute. 1482 01:30:55,083 --> 01:30:56,585 By that time 1483 01:30:56,952 --> 01:30:58,320 I don't think you could've kept the band together. 1484 01:30:58,587 --> 01:31:00,789 Everybody had something they wanted to do, 1485 01:31:01,056 --> 01:31:03,726 and after "the last waltz," 1486 01:31:03,859 --> 01:31:05,761 we started chasing those dreams. 1487 01:31:09,131 --> 01:31:10,733 Some years later, 1488 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,769 levon was having a tough time. 1489 01:31:15,704 --> 01:31:17,072 And out of that, 1490 01:31:17,906 --> 01:31:19,808 his anger was aimed at me. 1491 01:31:20,609 --> 01:31:23,445 1492 01:31:23,779 --> 01:31:27,282 In the end, levon contended that somehow 1493 01:31:27,415 --> 01:31:31,353 he should've gotten a lot of the songwriting revenue. 1494 01:31:31,587 --> 01:31:34,122 And he just got more and more pissed off. 1495 01:31:35,958 --> 01:31:37,392 I can see why 1496 01:31:37,526 --> 01:31:39,227 levon might say something like that, 1497 01:31:39,361 --> 01:31:41,664 because he was really good at helping arrange. 1498 01:31:42,130 --> 01:31:43,632 But Robbie wrote all the songs. 1499 01:31:43,766 --> 01:31:45,534 Robbie was writing songs when he was 15 years old. 1500 01:31:46,669 --> 01:31:48,704 And the rest of the boys helped arrange the songs, 1501 01:31:49,137 --> 01:31:50,739 which is a little bit different. 1502 01:31:51,373 --> 01:31:54,476 Levon's point was that these were five guys 1503 01:31:54,777 --> 01:31:56,679 that all played a role 1504 01:31:56,812 --> 01:31:59,948 in making the band what it was. 1505 01:32:00,849 --> 01:32:05,487 I mean, the combination of those five guys was so unique, 1506 01:32:05,621 --> 01:32:07,890 and so he felt as though Robbie 1507 01:32:08,023 --> 01:32:10,458 were claiming all the credit for himself. 1508 01:32:11,293 --> 01:32:14,563 You could kinda see in levon, through this bitterness, 1509 01:32:14,697 --> 01:32:17,900 that because of his interpretation of what happened, 1510 01:32:18,033 --> 01:32:20,202 he was really hurting, you know? 1511 01:32:20,502 --> 01:32:22,070 He just let it chew him up. 1512 01:32:22,204 --> 01:32:28,210 1513 01:32:29,812 --> 01:32:33,248 1514 01:32:35,317 --> 01:32:36,919 When levon ran out of money, 1515 01:32:37,152 --> 01:32:38,921 that's when he went crazy, 1516 01:32:39,054 --> 01:32:40,689 because he had been living high. 1517 01:32:40,823 --> 01:32:43,291 But levon's kind of like me, he gets mad 1518 01:32:43,425 --> 01:32:45,894 and says things he shouldn't say, and goes crazy. 1519 01:32:47,329 --> 01:32:49,564 Levon and Robbie were best friends, 1520 01:32:49,698 --> 01:32:52,735 were brothers, I mean, levon showed him the ropes. 1521 01:32:53,602 --> 01:32:55,370 So it was very sad 1522 01:32:56,104 --> 01:32:57,773 that that's how he felt 1523 01:32:58,073 --> 01:33:00,408 and that, you know, that's what he believed. 1524 01:33:02,544 --> 01:33:05,013 Years later, I got a message 1525 01:33:05,513 --> 01:33:08,116 that levon was in the hospital 1526 01:33:09,852 --> 01:33:10,919 and he was dying. 1527 01:33:12,988 --> 01:33:16,058 I got on a plane and I went to the hospital. 1528 01:33:17,359 --> 01:33:19,628 Levon wasn't conscious anymore. 1529 01:33:20,729 --> 01:33:24,733 His daughter was there and she took me into the room, 1530 01:33:25,267 --> 01:33:27,803 I sat with him and I held his hand 1531 01:33:28,937 --> 01:33:30,739 and I thought about 1532 01:33:31,874 --> 01:33:35,477 the amazing times that we had had together. 1533 01:33:37,612 --> 01:33:39,414 We'd been on the front lines 1534 01:33:39,748 --> 01:33:42,484 of two or three musical revolutions. 1535 01:33:44,086 --> 01:33:47,656 And now we're just left with these memories. 1536 01:33:49,457 --> 01:33:53,295 So I sat with my brother, and held his hand. 1537 01:33:54,329 --> 01:33:55,664 You know, I said, 1538 01:33:55,798 --> 01:33:58,834 levon, I'll meet you on the other end. 110778

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