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Raise your hand, please.
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Do you swear the testimony
you're about to give in this matter
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shall be the truth, whole truth,
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and nothing but the truth?
-Yes, ma'am.
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Would you please state
your full name?
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It's Jeffrey Edward Epstein,
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and my residence address is
6100 Red Hook Boulevard
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in Virgin Islands.
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Do you maintain
any other residences presently?
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I have vacation homes in New Mexico...
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uh... Palm Beach, New York and Paris.
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Have you ever been convicted
of a crime?
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Yes.
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What was the crime
of which you were convicted?
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Uh... Two, uh, counts.
One soliciting prostitution,
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and procuring a minor for prostitution.
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Did you in fact commit
those acts?
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I'm going to invoke
my Fifth Amendment right.
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How many times�have you
solicited a minor for prostitution?
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Same answer.
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How many times have you
solicited a minor for prostitution
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in the State of Florida?
-Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution in the Virgin Islands?
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Same answer.
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That is that you are invoking
your Fifth Amendment...
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Yes.
-Right?
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Yes, Mr...
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Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New York?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in New Mexico?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited
for prostitution in Paris?
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Same answer.
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Have you ever solicited a minor
for prostitution anywhere at any time?
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Again, I'm going to assert my right.
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Let's take a break.
We'll go off the record.
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So you are terminating
the deposition at this time?
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We are recessing the deposition.
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I'm Vicky Ward.
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I'm an investigative journalist.
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I wrote a story about Jeffrey Epstein
for Vanity Fair back in 2003.
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I heard about Jeffrey Epstein, actually,
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long before
I was asked to write about him
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because he was known
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as this sort of Gatsby-like
figure of mystery in New York.
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He was this single guy,
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very wealthy, very good-looking,
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and people knew
that he had made a lot of money,
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but they didn't know how.
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He claimed to be the money manager
for the uber-rich.
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People knew that he hung out
with a lot of famous people:
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Prince Andrew,
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Bill Clinton,
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a lot of famous academics,
the lawyer Alan Dershowitz,
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and that he was always surrounded
by very beautiful,
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often very young, women.
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I knew Ghislaine Maxwell,
his then supposed girlfriend.
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She was Oxford educated,
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very witty, very funny.
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She was a great connector for Jeffrey.
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Graydon Carter, who was then
the editor of Vanity Fair, said to me,
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"I've been hearing
about this guy, Jeffrey Epstein,
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for years, but no one knows
anything about him."
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And so he gave me the story.
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It was a society piece.
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It wasn't supposed to be
anything more than that.
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But right away...
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there was a red flag.
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One of my sources said,
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"I know a woman
who had a very unpleasant experience
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working with Jeffrey.
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And even worse,
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her younger sister was abused by him
when she was underage.
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Maybe they will talk to you."
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And, obviously,
this took what had primarily been
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a business investigation
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in a whole...
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different... direction.
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I began painting
my senior year of college.
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I just dedicated myself
to painting constantly.
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I looked at it like
I was an Olympic athlete,
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and I was just working all the time,
you know, training.
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And then I was just giving myself
the fresh mind every time to the canvas.
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This is my graduate school,
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the New York Academy of Art.
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I graduated in 1995,
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and the night of our graduation,
actually, you usually have an art show,
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and Eileen Guggenheim used to be
the Dean of Students,
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and she would run it.
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At this show,
I decided to enter a triptych.
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So that's three paintings,
and it was the Alice in Wonderland series.
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The show is phenomenal for me.
All three of my paintings sold right away.
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The first painting I sold for $14.000.
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and then the other two for $12.000 apiece.
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And I was really, obviously, excited,
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but Eileen then walked over to me,
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and Eileen's literally like
twisting my arm,
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and she says,
"This couple right here is
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who is going to buy your art.
Do you hear me?"
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And I said, "Well, I've already sold it."
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And she said, �"That's too bad.
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You're gonna tell them that it's not sold,
and you're selling to this couple.
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They're very important
benefactors of the Academy."
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And Eileen says, "This is Jeffrey Epstein
and Ghislaine Maxwell, my dearest friends.
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And they're just completely delighted,
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and you will be selling to them,
and they will get a discount."
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And so I got 6.000
instead of 12.000 that night.
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And Jeffrey Epstein said, "Don't worry.
We'll make it worth your while.
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Don't worry."
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I didn't see or hear from Jeffrey
for a couple of months.
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And one day the phone rang,
and he said, "I have a great job for you."
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Jeffrey had just acquired this mansion
on 71st Street.
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He told me, "This is your new job.
You're going to be managing the door,
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and you're going to be managing
the people coming and going,
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the decorators, the visitors."
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One day Jeffrey Epstein said,
"I would like to know
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how many siblings you have."
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And I described that I had two sisters,
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and I told him
that my sister Annie was very intelligent
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and has hopes and dreams
for a career, probably in Ivy League.
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I was 16 years old,
and it was my junior year in high school.
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Maria was living in Manhattan
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and had told us
that she'd gotten a job, a great job,
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working for this man, Jeffrey Epstein,
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and that he might be interested
in helping me in some way.
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He had proposed it would be helpful for me
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to go on some kind of international trip
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to Thailand and Vietnam
in order to build up my r�sum�
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and to be more appealing
for a competitive school.
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He agreed that he would pay for that trip.
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At the time, it was very...
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It seemed very expensive,
you know, so...
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um... I was just feeling
really grateful for that.
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The trip was supposed to be
that summer in July,
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and so he suggested that I come out
to meet him and Ghislaine Maxwell
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at their ranch in New Mexico.
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My mom's understanding
of what that trip would be was
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a chance for me to meet
some other students
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who would also be going
on similar trips.
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But when I got there, I realized I was
the only one there staying with them.
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They showed me around the property.
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It was part of building up
this sense of, like, look at who I am,
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look at all that I have,
be impressed by me.
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Ghislaine was very interested in whether
I had ever had a massage before,
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like a professional massage,
and I had not.
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It was really presented as, like,
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you're so lucky that you get to do this,
to, you know, get this massage.
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She told me to undress,
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and there was a table there
with a sheet on it.
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You know, a portion of it was
just pretty typical, um...
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but there was a time
when she had me lay on my back,
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and she, you know, pulled the sheet down
so that my breasts were exposed.
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Because of the layout of the house
and the doors that were open,
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I knew that Epstein could see me.
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I think the way
that she rubbed my chest in, you know,
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in the massage also was inappropriate.
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The scariest moment of the weekend was
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when he came into my bedroom
in the morning
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and said that he would like to cuddle.
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He crawled into bed with me.
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And, um... you know, was touching me,
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and I don't remember
how long that lasted
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because I was sort of checking out a bit.
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But I remember making an excuse
like I needed to go to the bathroom.
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Got out of bed,
and, like, went into the bathroom,
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and kind of shut the door, and was...
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you know, very scared
of what was going on.
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And afterwards, I just avoided it.
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I didn't tell my closest friends,
and I didn't tell Maria and my family,
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and I just thought,
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"I'm going to focus
on this trip this summer."
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And I went to Thailand and Vietnam.
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Annie was on this program
in Thailand,
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and I received a call from Jeffrey saying
that we want to help you with your career.
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So I was asked to go do
an artist-in-residency.
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I was to go to Ohio,
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and I would be living
in this 26.000 square foot home
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behind Les Wexner's house.
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When I asked Jeffrey who Les Wexner was,
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he said, "He is my client
and my very good friend,
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who happens to be a billionaire,
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and he would do anything for me."
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So I drove a Penske truck to Ohio
because I took all of my art supplies.
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I set up shop,
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and I started painting.
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These paintings were paintings
about puberty,
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girls partially nude,
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voyeuristic kind of private moments,
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but not sexual.
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My process is that I take photographs,
and I work from them.
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And I was using
my two sisters as the models.
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So, Jeffrey and Ghislaine
came to visit one day.
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That night,
Ghislaine came and got me and said,
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"Jeffrey would like to have
his feet rubbed."
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And my stomach sank.
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I felt like, "Gosh, I don't want them
to think I'm not grateful,
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but this is so inappropriate", you know?
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And so I... rubbed his feet
for a little while...
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and he said, "Come up here."
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Then he patted over here
for me to sit next to him.
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Then Ghislaine sat down
on the other side of me.
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Jeffrey immediately was doing this.
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Like, it was really mechanical
and bizarre,
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and Ghislaine then was doing this on me.
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And then they were touching me
in different ways on my chest.
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It didn't feel right at all,
and I didn't like it.
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I kind of had like, you know, some tears,
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and she goes, "Shh, it's gonna be okay."
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And she was like really
with her other hand, like,
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rubbing on my hand
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and telling me
that it was going to be okay.
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I had escaped my body at that point.
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I wasn't really in that moment at all.
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And at some point,
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I was able to like
catapult my body out of that bed.
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I went to my room,
and I barricaded my door.
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I put a piece of furniture against it.
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Just kind of huddled up in that room
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until Jeffrey and Ghislaine left
that morning.
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When I woke up, I went and checked to see
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if my photographs of my sisters
were there,
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and realized
three photographs had been stolen.
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And I was freaking out.
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So, I called Annie.
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My sister confronted me about
whether anything had happened to me
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when I was at the ranch.
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I told her things that had made me
really uncomfortable had happened,
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but I really don't want to talk about it.
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I said, "Listen, you're never
going to have to deal with them again.
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Do not worry.
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I am so sorry you were exposed to this."
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It was just a very uncomfortable feeling
to know that he had these photos of us,
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and...
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in particular of my younger sister
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because she was just 12
when those photos were taken.
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And...
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it was just so...
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um...
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It was just upsetting to know
that he had those photos,
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and to never know what happened to them
or how he was using them.
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He could be using them
to sexually please himself.
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So the next day,
Jeffrey called me,
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and he tried to pretend like
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it was a really fun time he'd had
the night before,
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and he tried
to kind of play it off like that.
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And I said, "That wasn't fun for me."
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And then he offered to give me
basically what I wanted
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to not make a stink about everything,
just, "What do you want?"
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Like, "How much money do you want?
What can I do for you?"
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Um...
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And I s... I didn't say anything.
I hung up on him.
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When I got back to New York City,
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I told the NYPD
everything that had happened.
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I told them I'd been assaulted.
And they said,
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"It's just not in our jurisdiction.
Like, we have nothing to do with this.
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These things happened in Ohio,
New Mexico.
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You're gonna have to call the FBI."
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When I called the FBI,
I laid it out very specifically.
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I said, "I'm reporting these people:
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Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell."
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I told them everything,
and I could tell that he believed me.
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So, I really had believed
that he was going to take care of this.
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And then we just actually
did not hear back.
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Because these sisters
had been ignored for so long,
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they were�very, very frightened
of going on the record,
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speaking up about
what Jeffrey would do to them.
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Part of them, understandably,
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just thought they could never fight
against a man of his power.
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We proceed,
very reluctantly after a family decision,
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um... that we're going to do this thing.
We're going to talk about this.
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I spoke to the younger sister,
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who was molested by him
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and lived in fear.
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So, after we had presented
our story to Vicky,
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then Vanity Fair had to take this account
to Epstein
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to essentially fact-check it and get
his perspective and his side of things.
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And when they did that,
he came back with his own story,
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which was we were in fact
women that were infatuated with him.
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And that's what this was coming out of.
It was,
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you know,
revenge for that being unrequited.
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He would say,
"Well, Vicky, if I don't like this piece,
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it's going to be bad for you
and your family."
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And I was newly pregnant with twins.
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He said, "Where are you giving birth?"
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He followed that up with,
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"I know all the doctors
in all the hospitals,
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so it doesn't matter.
If you don't tell me, I'll find out.
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If I don't like this piece,
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I'm going to have a witch doctor
place a curse on your unborn children."
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He was beginning to spook me out,
and these are just conversations.
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So I could only imagine
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how the women must have felt.
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I got a phone call from Graydon.
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He was pretty spooked because he'd found
a severed cat head in his garden.
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He also found a bullet on his doorstep.
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And then suddenly, I was told by my editor
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that the girls
were being taken out of the story.
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I was horrified. I said,
"Why? They've been so brave.
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They've laid so much on the line. Why?"
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And the message came back,
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"Well, he's obviously sensitive
about the girls. That's a sore point."
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I'll never forget
Graydon Carter saying to me,
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"I believe Jeffrey Epstein."
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I remember buying
the copy of Vanity Fair
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and seeing the spread, you know,
"The Talented Mr. Epstein."
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And it said nothing
about any of his interest in girls.
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I think that Vanity Fair basically
got bought off by Jeffrey.
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The excuse was,
"Well, it's a business story."
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It was a business story,
but, just like life,
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the story was more complicated,
far more complicated.
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I cried in public.
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Um...
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You know,
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so much work,
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so much bravery,
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and for what?
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It seemed it was more evidence
of the fact that he was powerful,
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and he could fix whatever thing came up.
320
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Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate story
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of the abuse of power and money.
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But, of course, what none of us knew was
that the girls who I'd spoken to
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were only the tip...
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of the iceberg.
325
00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:30,940
And it actually got even worse in Florida.
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Jeffrey Epstein bought
his Palm Beach mansion in 1990.
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Epstein was new money.
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He didn't have generations
of growing up there,
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sailing in the Intracoastal Waterway...
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but he had tons of new money.
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And if you have enough money,
you can buy your way in to any society.
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There are things that have been true
about Palm Beach since I was a kid.
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Some of the protectiveness,
some of the clannishness...
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It's definitely a very insular world.
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There is almost a hermetic seal around it.
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It's not just
an extremely wealthy zip code.
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It's an island.
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And I think that...
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it almost has a psychological effect
on the very wealthy people who move there,
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or who have grown up there,
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or whose fathers or grandfathers
bought estates there,
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because there's a sense of security,
and safety, and privacy,
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and they like it that way.
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Epstein and I
essentially were neighbors.
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00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:51,942
And why would
Jeffrey Epstein... come here?
346
00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:53,398
You know, here it is.
347
00:21:53,936 --> 00:21:55,106
I mean, you're on the ocean.
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It's quiet and secluded.
349
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I came down here in 2007,
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and back then, there was very little known
about Jeffrey Epstein.
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What people knew about him was
that he was stunningly rich.
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00:22:13,664 --> 00:22:17,085
The guy was living a life
that most people dream about.
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He had a 15 to 20 million dollar house
here in Palm Beach.
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He had one of the largest townhouses
in New York City,
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a massive apartment in Paris,
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his own private island in the Caribbean,
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a sprawling ranch in New Mexico,
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a helicopter,
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two airplanes, one a 727.
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That's the commercial side of the airport
361
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there where all the JetBlue
and everyone else lands.
362
00:22:43,694 --> 00:22:47,065
But the west side of the airport is
where all the private jets are.
363
00:22:47,531 --> 00:22:49,451
And that's where Jeffrey parked his jets.
364
00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:53,829
I was a reporter here for 25 years.
I also lived over in Palm Beach.
365
00:22:53,913 --> 00:22:57,963
Covered the Epstein case extensively.
This guy was a bit of a ghost down here.
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Nobody really saw him. Nobody knew him.
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00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:03,880
In the '80s,
he hit it out of the ballpark.
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00:23:04,090 --> 00:23:07,550
A lot of powerful men liked him
and trusted him to handle his money.
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00:23:10,888 --> 00:23:14,229
Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump,
they were both wealthy guys from New York,
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00:23:14,308 --> 00:23:18,479
and they both ended up living a mile apart
along billionaire's row in Palm Beach.
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They knew each other.
Epstein frequented Mar-a-Lago for a time.
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00:23:22,942 --> 00:23:26,613
There's now a�widely circulated quote
from Donald Trump,
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which he probably would like
to reel back in,
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"I've known Jeff for 15 years.
Terrific guy.
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It is even said that he likes
beautiful women as much as I do,
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and many of them are on the younger side."
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00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,244
Palm Beach is a very small town.
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00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:43,954
It's almost impossible to conceive
living there and moving in that world
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00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:46,086
and not hearing rumors about Epstein
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00:23:46,173 --> 00:23:50,304
or not being aware of something odd
going on at Jeff's place.
381
00:23:58,811 --> 00:24:02,152
I'm Michael Reiter.
I've been here 38 years,
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00:24:02,231 --> 00:24:04,442
on the Palm Beach Police Department
for 28,
383
00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:09,605
and I was Police Chief in Palm Beach
from 2001 through 2009.
384
00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:13,738
I first met Jeffrey Epstein
somewhere around 2001.
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00:24:14,076 --> 00:24:15,997
Epstein visited me in my office
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00:24:16,078 --> 00:24:20,169
to talk about making a donation
of equipment to the police department,
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00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:22,500
which was nearly�$100.000.
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00:24:23,127 --> 00:24:26,468
It was a brief visit.
It was just a little bit of chit-chat.
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00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:30,337
My impression was that he was
just a wealthy, very private guy.
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00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:34,134
Nearly two years later,
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00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:37,431
we received reports from his neighbors
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that there was
a large number of young women
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00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:43,317
going to and from his residence.
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00:24:43,522 --> 00:24:44,982
We thought, "That's suspicious."
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00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:47,316
We sent personnel to stop them
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00:24:47,693 --> 00:24:48,864
and interview them.
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00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:52,202
They were all adults,
the three or four that we talked to,
398
00:24:52,281 --> 00:24:56,162
and they said that they were simply doing
office work for Mr. Epstein.
399
00:24:56,827 --> 00:24:58,327
Since they were all adults,
400
00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:01,883
there didn't seem to be
any further police interest.
401
00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,220
Then in 2005,
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00:25:09,298 --> 00:25:12,048
the parent of a young girl
called the police station.
403
00:25:17,223 --> 00:25:19,183
Hello?
-Hi, how are you?
404
00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:23,396
I'm good. I'm returning your call,
I apologize. I don't know what for.
405
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,650
It's okay.
It was an incident that occurred
406
00:25:25,731 --> 00:25:28,902
maybe three and a half weeks ago
with one of my stepdaughters.
407
00:25:28,984 --> 00:25:33,404
One day at school, she got into a fight,
and she had over $300 on her.
408
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240
So after asking her and asking her
what was going on,
409
00:25:37,326 --> 00:25:39,697
I found out that it ended up being that
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00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,667
they went to Palm Beach
to a gentleman's house.
411
00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:44,917
And they start off
by giving this gentleman a massage.
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00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,921
And he pays them.
413
00:25:46,001 --> 00:25:48,422
If he likes them
and thinks that they're pretty enough,
414
00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:50,964
he keeps them around to do other things.
-Okay.
415
00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,299
So I wasn't quite sure
if there was an investigation
416
00:25:54,385 --> 00:25:55,570
or if you guys had any word...
417
00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:58,265
Well, this is the first
I'm hearing of it.
418
00:25:58,347 --> 00:26:01,018
Okay.
-I'll need some more information.
419
00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:03,101
Would your stepdaughter
be willing to come in
420
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:05,150
to provide me with a statement?
421
00:26:06,189 --> 00:26:07,729
When a juvenile reports
422
00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:11,355
that they have been a victim
of a sex crime to the police department,
423
00:26:11,443 --> 00:26:13,243
we immediately take that very seriously.
424
00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:17,239
The parent was asked to bring the victim
into the police station.
425
00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:19,484
A detective conducted an interview.
426
00:26:19,577 --> 00:26:23,288
Immediately upon, uh...
that victim's report to us,
427
00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:26,423
which we found very credible,
we launched an investigation.
428
00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:31,714
The very first victim was
about 14 years old at that time.
429
00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:37,010
We were able, from the interview,
to figure out exactly where the house was.
430
00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:42,354
From the description the victim provided,
it was clear that it was Mr. Epstein.
431
00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,229
The case was assigned
to our special investigations unit
432
00:26:47,646 --> 00:26:50,277
partly because of the nature of the crime,
433
00:26:50,357 --> 00:26:55,528
and partly because Mr. Epstein was
a powerful, influential person.
434
00:26:57,031 --> 00:26:59,582
Joe Recarey was
the lead investigator of the case.
435
00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:03,536
Unfortunately, Joe Recarey passed away
a few years ago,
436
00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:07,001
but at the time, he believed
there were other victims.
437
00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:09,093
So he began contacting them
438
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,381
and listening to their stories.
439
00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:15,125
I appreciate you coming down
to talk to me.
440
00:27:15,215 --> 00:27:17,135
You're not in any trouble.
-Okay.
441
00:27:17,218 --> 00:27:19,178
I want to put that out there
right now.
442
00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,138
How did you meet Mr. Epstein?
-Through a friend.
443
00:27:22,515 --> 00:27:24,595
It was like two years ago or so.
444
00:27:24,683 --> 00:27:27,023
About two years ago?
That's when you first met him?
445
00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:28,103
Yeah. Yeah.
446
00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:30,442
You were 17 then?
-Mm-hmm.
447
00:27:30,522 --> 00:27:33,363
What is it that you were told
you would have to do?
448
00:27:33,942 --> 00:27:35,863
Give him a massage.
-Okay.
449
00:27:36,904 --> 00:27:40,025
During the massage,
did he... um...
450
00:27:41,367 --> 00:27:43,538
ask you to remove your pants or...
451
00:27:45,246 --> 00:27:46,246
Yes.
452
00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:50,292
Every victim told
essentially the same story.
453
00:27:50,751 --> 00:27:53,132
They thought
that they would give him a massage.
454
00:27:53,212 --> 00:27:55,093
That's what most of them were told.
455
00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:59,007
That's what lured them there
for a small amount of money.
456
00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:02,064
What else happened
when you were providing the massage?
457
00:28:02,137 --> 00:28:05,137
He took the towel off,
and he started pleasing himself,
458
00:28:05,224 --> 00:28:07,055
which I was very uncomfortable with.
459
00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:10,192
I wanted to leave right when I got there.
-Okay.
460
00:28:12,356 --> 00:28:16,737
Our biggest concern was
that the victimization not to continue.
461
00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:19,856
That's why
we started surveillance right away.
462
00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:22,578
We surveilled the airport...
463
00:28:25,202 --> 00:28:26,202
the house.
464
00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:30,166
As we found additional victims,
465
00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,089
one victim would tell us about others,
466
00:28:32,167 --> 00:28:37,127
those others would tell us about others,
and it began to multiply geometrically.
467
00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:41,550
Okay. First of all,
I know this is hard on you, okay?
468
00:28:42,386 --> 00:28:43,926
Just take a deep breath.
469
00:28:44,012 --> 00:28:45,893
I'm trying. It's just...
470
00:28:45,973 --> 00:28:49,314
I wasn't aware that I was going to be
alone with him for that ten minutes.
471
00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:50,903
And I thought I was gonna die.
472
00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:54,017
Did you have intercourse
with him?
473
00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,105
Yes.
-Okay.
474
00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,106
After two or three months,
475
00:28:59,194 --> 00:29:02,904
we feared that this involved
a really large number of victims.
476
00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:11,711
Can you raise your right hand?
Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth,
477
00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:13,471
the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth,
478
00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,171
so help you God?
-I do.
479
00:29:15,252 --> 00:29:18,343
State your name for the record.
-Michelle Licata.
480
00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:23,391
I found the calendar
from December 2004...
481
00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:26,214
the month that I met Jeffrey Epstein.
482
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:30,135
I wrote down my first party
that I'd ever been to,
483
00:29:30,226 --> 00:29:33,685
talked to a boy
'til three o�clock in the morning.
484
00:29:33,771 --> 00:29:37,612
And then right before Christmas,
that's the weekend that everything changed
485
00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:38,692
in my entire life.
486
00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,320
All right. In your own words,
487
00:29:43,405 --> 00:29:46,026
tell me exactly
how you were introduced to this gentleman
488
00:29:46,116 --> 00:29:48,826
by the name of Jeffrey
in, uh... Palm Beach.
489
00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:52,041
Um... My friend told me
in class that...
490
00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:55,788
she could find a way of making money
for Christmas.
491
00:29:56,627 --> 00:29:58,548
I didn't really know
what she was talking about,
492
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:59,799
but I was like, "Okay."
493
00:30:02,217 --> 00:30:03,636
I was a good kid.
494
00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:06,718
I always thought
that my life was just ordinary.
495
00:30:07,137 --> 00:30:09,557
I had seven kids in my family.
496
00:30:10,057 --> 00:30:12,137
Michelle Licata.
497
00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,646
I was really good in school.
498
00:30:15,771 --> 00:30:17,112
I had a lot of friends.
499
00:30:18,607 --> 00:30:20,188
In cheerleading,
500
00:30:20,692 --> 00:30:22,823
I got the Spirit Award.
501
00:30:26,156 --> 00:30:28,537
Just a normal teenage girl.
502
00:30:28,992 --> 00:30:30,502
And what are we gonna do?
503
00:30:30,702 --> 00:30:32,002
We're gonna shop!
504
00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:38,132
One day, this girl wrote me
a note in class that said,
505
00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:42,340
"Do you want to make some extra money
massaging old guys?"
506
00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,593
And I was like,
"Okay, that seems weird. But okay."
507
00:30:46,927 --> 00:30:49,927
She said to just go
to this old guy's house
508
00:30:50,222 --> 00:30:54,063
and just massage him for 45 minutes,
and you'll get like $200.
509
00:30:56,019 --> 00:30:58,190
Okay. How old were you?
-Sixteen.
510
00:30:58,647 --> 00:30:59,647
Okay.
511
00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:05,486
We're driving probably
like a good 45-minute ride.
512
00:31:06,196 --> 00:31:11,156
We pulled into a big,
expensive-looking mansion.
513
00:31:12,077 --> 00:31:14,208
Before we got out of the car, she said,
514
00:31:14,288 --> 00:31:18,078
"Okay, so if anybody asks,
uh, you're over the age of 18,
515
00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:21,497
but I don't think anybody is going to ask,
just if they do."
516
00:31:25,465 --> 00:31:28,425
I was only there
for like maybe a minute or two,
517
00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:29,851
and then he walked in.
518
00:31:31,138 --> 00:31:33,138
He laid down on his stomach.
519
00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:35,935
He said,
"Okay, there's some lotions over there
520
00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:40,108
if you wanted to start massaging my feet
and my legs."
521
00:31:40,189 --> 00:31:45,949
He flipped over, and he was talking to me
about, uh, the way that I looked.
522
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,871
He was telling me how beautiful I was.
523
00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,409
I never thought
I was the pretty girl in high school.
524
00:31:53,994 --> 00:31:55,615
I had braces,
525
00:31:55,704 --> 00:32:00,075
and for somebody to be
pointing the spotlight at me,
526
00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,548
it was like,
"Okay, he's giving me compliments.
527
00:32:02,628 --> 00:32:04,838
I never thought of myself that way."
528
00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,338
And then he kind of was like...
529
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,220
grabbing my hip
and kind of like maneuvering it
530
00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,057
so that he could look at me.
531
00:32:16,558 --> 00:32:20,858
He was telling me to take off
my shirt and pants.
532
00:32:21,271 --> 00:32:23,862
He's like,
"You can get down into your underwear."
533
00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,946
You know, you start thinking, "Okay. So...
534
00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:29,488
if I try to leave or be like,
535
00:32:29,905 --> 00:32:33,445
'Uh, no, we're not going to do this, '
you know...
536
00:32:34,117 --> 00:32:35,327
how would you leave?
537
00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:38,290
Like, is there a gun hidden somewhere,
538
00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:39,962
like, he was going to pull out?"
539
00:32:42,042 --> 00:32:44,673
As a young girl, you just do...
540
00:32:44,753 --> 00:32:49,013
Because he's an adult,
you just do what someone asks you to do.
541
00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:54,262
And then he sort of grabbed
my thighs, and he was...
542
00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,516
jacking himself off at the same time.
543
00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,606
He just tried, like,
rubbing me down there.
544
00:33:03,397 --> 00:33:04,397
Okay.
545
00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,567
And...
546
00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:13,371
th... that was where
I started freaking out completely.
547
00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,239
I was like...
"Okay, okay...
548
00:33:16,326 --> 00:33:18,326
Can we just get this over with?
549
00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,917
This is just so unreal.
This is not happening."
550
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,010
He just looked like a scary sicko
551
00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:28,964
in my mind, like...
552
00:33:31,174 --> 00:33:32,924
He just looked like...
553
00:33:33,635 --> 00:33:37,766
I just still have
the vision of his face.
554
00:33:39,099 --> 00:33:43,309
I backed away, and I said,
"Well, I don't know if I should do that."
555
00:33:43,938 --> 00:33:45,057
And I freaked.
556
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,279
I was very hesitant and so scared.
557
00:33:48,817 --> 00:33:51,238
As I told you before
and I explained to your mom,
558
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,240
what he did was wrong, okay?
559
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,029
Okay.
-Um...
560
00:33:57,451 --> 00:34:00,461
I want to reassure you
on that, okay?
561
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,299
When he was done,
562
00:34:07,377 --> 00:34:12,217
he wrapped himself up in a towel,
and he said, "There's 200 for you.
563
00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,340
I would really like to see you again."
564
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:15,887
And I was like...
565
00:34:15,969 --> 00:34:18,639
"Okay, okay."
In the back of my mind, I was like,
566
00:34:18,722 --> 00:34:23,193
"I am not ever coming back here
ever again."
567
00:34:23,268 --> 00:34:25,309
And I just went downstairs,
568
00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:29,358
and I felt so used.
569
00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:35,362
I felt so used, like it was...
I was just like this dirty person.
570
00:34:37,574 --> 00:34:40,824
Before Epstein, I was...
571
00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:45,577
I was...
572
00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:49,753
I was...
573
00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:52,590
something else.
574
00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:03,313
The way I saw myself...
575
00:35:03,391 --> 00:35:04,981
a long time ago...
576
00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,108
I was, like...
577
00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:08,478
like this flower.
578
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:14,322
A flower that was, like, opening up.
579
00:35:15,362 --> 00:35:18,242
And afterwards, it was...
580
00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,704
like somebody just...
581
00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:24,958
picked up that flower...
582
00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:30,344
plucked it from its roots,
and stomped on it and smashed it.
583
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,125
I know this
is difficult for you,
584
00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:39,007
and I know it was difficult for you
to talk to me today.
585
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,467
Is there anything else you'd like to add
to this statement?
586
00:35:42,556 --> 00:35:43,556
No.
587
00:35:43,974 --> 00:35:45,804
Okay.
Then I conclude this statement.
588
00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:48,353
The time on my watch is 5:25 p. m.
589
00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:00,907
Many of the girls
were brought across the bridge
590
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,411
from the mainland,
which is West Palm Beach.
591
00:36:03,827 --> 00:36:06,748
And it's a whole different world
when you cross the bridges.
592
00:36:09,541 --> 00:36:11,461
Parts of West Palm Beach are like
593
00:36:11,543 --> 00:36:14,423
a lot of other communities along
the Gold Coast where it's working class.
594
00:36:15,338 --> 00:36:17,588
It's not necessarily high end at all.
595
00:36:19,092 --> 00:36:20,092
It's a real world.
596
00:36:20,552 --> 00:36:24,523
To think what it must have been like
to come from modest means,
597
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,438
and in some cases
broken homes, troubled homes.
598
00:36:28,768 --> 00:36:30,858
Palm Beach is like Oz.
599
00:36:30,938 --> 00:36:34,898
If you live in West Palm,
that's just not a world you experience.
600
00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:44,329
My name is Shawna Rivera.
This is the house that I grew up in.
601
00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:49,291
This is where usually
we would sit out here.
602
00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:52,543
We had a big�hammock on the patio.
603
00:36:53,126 --> 00:36:54,836
This room was my room.
604
00:36:55,545 --> 00:37:00,465
The time that I first met Jeff,
my girlfriend came over here to, um...
605
00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,800
to take me with her to Jeff's, right?
606
00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,391
Like right after this street here...
607
00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:10,306
there's a trailer park, there's a canal
and then there's a trailer park,
608
00:37:10,393 --> 00:37:12,523
and so she walked over here...
609
00:37:13,146 --> 00:37:14,817
and convinced me to go with her.
610
00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,822
I didn't have a good childhood.
611
00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:24,867
I was a runaway for two years.
612
00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:30,036
My mom used drugs pretty heavily
most of my life.
613
00:37:30,956 --> 00:37:33,416
My dad went to prison when I was three.
614
00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,760
And when I was ten,
my dad got out of prison.
615
00:37:38,797 --> 00:37:43,137
At some point, my dad had a girlfriend...
616
00:37:43,927 --> 00:37:45,257
who had some kids,
617
00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:49,175
and the kids had clearly been abused
prior to this.
618
00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:55,443
And I would say it was like a week or so
after my 12th birthday,
619
00:37:55,523 --> 00:38:00,032
my dad and his girlfriend beat her son,
her eight-year-old son, to death...
620
00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:01,740
Um...
621
00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:02,820
In front of me.
622
00:38:03,655 --> 00:38:06,326
And so I, um...
623
00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:09,043
ran away from home.
624
00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,577
I lived in, like, shelter homes.
625
00:38:13,373 --> 00:38:16,423
Finally, my grandma
was able to get custody of me.
626
00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,550
I was 14 years old
when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
627
00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,262
My girlfriend, she's like,
"Shawna, I'm going to this guy's house.
628
00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:33,143
I can't go by myself. I just can't do it.
I just need you to come with me."
629
00:38:33,226 --> 00:38:35,347
I was just like, "All right. Fine."
630
00:38:36,563 --> 00:38:40,074
I didn't know what was going to happen.
I just went along with it.
631
00:38:43,195 --> 00:38:47,655
Once you get over the bridge
into Palm Beach, you see yachts
632
00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,791
and all these huge mansions.
633
00:38:51,202 --> 00:38:52,202
This is like
634
00:38:52,704 --> 00:38:55,244
not something I'm familiar with.
635
00:38:58,043 --> 00:39:01,713
We walk into the back,
and there's this girl.
636
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,880
She's young
637
00:39:03,382 --> 00:39:05,472
with an accent. I don't know her.
638
00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:08,721
She's familiar with my friend.
"Hi. Hi. Hi."
639
00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,891
We walk into this room,
640
00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:13,807
and this dude walked in.
641
00:39:14,434 --> 00:39:16,724
I remember thinking he was kind of rude.
642
00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:18,226
He says, "Oh, hey. Hi."
643
00:39:18,313 --> 00:39:19,483
He's, like, on the phone,
644
00:39:20,148 --> 00:39:21,568
and he, like, lays down.
645
00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:26,201
So then my girlfriend tells me,
"We're just going to give him a massage."
646
00:39:26,905 --> 00:39:30,326
And she said, "Oh, well,
we have to take our clothes off."
647
00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:32,827
And I'm like...
648
00:39:34,871 --> 00:39:36,331
"I have to take my clothes off?"
649
00:39:36,414 --> 00:39:38,824
And she says, "Yeah, we have... We both...
650
00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,744
We both have to take our clothes off.
All of them."
651
00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,876
So you have me
and my 14-year-old girlfriend
652
00:39:45,965 --> 00:39:49,465
totally naked,
and I'm giving this old man a massage.
653
00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:53,465
But then my girlfriend says,
"Well, I'm going to go."
654
00:39:53,807 --> 00:39:57,728
And I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing
leaving me here?" Like, "Why?"
655
00:39:57,811 --> 00:40:00,192
I couldn't believe
she was walking out of there.
656
00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:04,820
Then this guy,
he asked me how old I was...
657
00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:09,871
and I remember telling him
that I was 15 years old,
658
00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:12,829
and I was actually 14 years old.
659
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,326
That didn't scare him.
660
00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:19,422
It was kind of, like,
"Oh, okay. You're 15. Okay."
661
00:40:20,083 --> 00:40:22,094
Then he turned over...
662
00:40:22,168 --> 00:40:25,668
and he wanted me to rub the lotion
663
00:40:25,755 --> 00:40:29,425
that we were using,
like, all over his chest.
664
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:32,559
And he told me to just grab his nipples
665
00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:36,726
and squeeze and pinch as hard as I could.
666
00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:39,056
And I just, like,
667
00:40:39,144 --> 00:40:41,804
I just remember standing there
and just being, like...
668
00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:45,275
"What is going on? This is so weird."
669
00:40:45,358 --> 00:40:49,608
I just couldn't wrap my head around it.
I was like, "What the fuck is this?"
670
00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:51,780
I'm 14 years old.
671
00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:54,030
I'm a virgin.
672
00:40:56,077 --> 00:40:58,827
It just went on like that
for a couple of minutes,
673
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,083
and he finished...
674
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,090
and there was money sitting there.
675
00:41:03,168 --> 00:41:05,378
He told me to go ahead
and pick up the money.
676
00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,092
So I just got dressed,
and I walked out and left.
677
00:41:08,965 --> 00:41:10,215
I was so embarrassed.
678
00:41:10,592 --> 00:41:14,222
I didn't know how to say, like,
"No, I don't... I don't want to do that."
679
00:41:19,976 --> 00:41:24,056
I don't know how long it was after
the first time I had gone over there...
680
00:41:25,231 --> 00:41:29,492
but I... one day,
I got a phone call at my house.
681
00:41:30,362 --> 00:41:33,121
They called me a cab to take me to Jeff's.
682
00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:38,998
There was no explanation.
There was just, "Take the cab to Jeff's."
683
00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:46,244
I assumed if I went back...
684
00:41:46,878 --> 00:41:48,088
I would get more money.
685
00:41:50,132 --> 00:41:52,262
I mean, I didn't have any money.
686
00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,389
I didn't have a family like that.
687
00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:57,347
I just...
688
00:41:58,431 --> 00:42:00,851
didn't know how to handle it, you know.
689
00:42:00,934 --> 00:42:03,594
So, I think I kind of went
into this kind of like...
690
00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,815
pilot mode kind of situation,
where I just...
691
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,320
tried to, like, get through it
and just go home.
692
00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,494
I couldn't say, "This isn't right."
693
00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,460
I couldn't say, "This isn't normal."
694
00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:24,079
I couldn't say, like,
"This is a sick man."
695
00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:27,630
And it was probably
for like three or four years
696
00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:29,050
I continued to go.
697
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:41,481
I'm an educational psychologist
and mental health counselor.
698
00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:45,443
I've worked with many victims
of sexual trauma.
699
00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:50,940
And the first thought that I had when
reading about the Jeffrey Epstein... case
700
00:42:51,025 --> 00:42:54,695
is that he targeted girls
that were so vulnerable.
701
00:42:55,155 --> 00:42:59,405
Um, and this is something
that most sexual predators do.
702
00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:04,461
The first step in the grooming process
is spotting a vulnerable victim,
703
00:43:04,539 --> 00:43:07,289
someone who is financially disadvantaged
704
00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:11,300
or that already have
some sexual trauma in their past.
705
00:43:11,838 --> 00:43:17,389
Sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein
have an eye for picking out someone
706
00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:19,429
who is in need of something,
707
00:43:19,887 --> 00:43:23,307
and they identify that need,
and then they exploit it.
708
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:26,773
When you're pairing a teenage girl
709
00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:31,693
with a brilliant,
narcissistic billionaire,
710
00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:35,235
their adolescent brain was not equipped
711
00:43:35,612 --> 00:43:39,072
to understand or react
to what was happening.
712
00:43:46,581 --> 00:43:50,461
We were frustrated that,
while some people were cooperative,
713
00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:55,588
most of the victims did not want
to prosecute for fear of Jeffrey Epstein.
714
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,929
They knew that Mr. Epstein was
715
00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:02,601
a powerful, influential,
very wealthy person.
716
00:44:02,681 --> 00:44:04,181
So they were very reluctant.
717
00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:08,903
And so we decided to talk
to some of his employees.
718
00:44:11,981 --> 00:44:14,822
Good morning, Mr. Alessi?
-Yes, speaking.
719
00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,952
Hi. This is Detective Joe Recarey
with Palm Beach Police.
720
00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,909
I'm investigating a case
against, uh, a former employer of yours,
721
00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:22,992
Jeffrey Epstein.
722
00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,503
This is something
723
00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:27,829
that I really would not like
to be involved,
724
00:44:27,914 --> 00:44:30,164
if I'm not involved with it.
-I understand that,
725
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,840
but you may hold some information
which would assist me in this case.
726
00:44:35,338 --> 00:44:38,179
But I don't want to get
in trouble or...
727
00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:42,387
I don't want to get sued
by Mr. Epstein or by his company.
728
00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:46,682
You are Alfredo Rodriguez,
correct?
729
00:44:46,766 --> 00:44:48,887
Yes, that's me.
-Okay.
730
00:44:48,976 --> 00:44:52,146
I just wanted to touch base with a case
that I'm investigating
731
00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:53,860
involving Mr. Epstein.
732
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,400
Okay.
733
00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:58,777
My main concern, obviously, is
734
00:44:59,195 --> 00:45:01,275
the girls that come over to work for him.
735
00:45:02,657 --> 00:45:03,657
Okay.
736
00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:05,695
What can you tell me about that?
737
00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,706
He has a lot of masseuses.
738
00:45:07,788 --> 00:45:12,288
He has a list of favorite, uh...
female personnel
739
00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,835
to give him massage, you know.
740
00:45:13,918 --> 00:45:16,548
So he gets massage in the morning,
massage in the afternoon.
741
00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,380
They were very private, sir, you know.
742
00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:22,755
So I didn't know
what went on behind closed doors.
743
00:45:22,844 --> 00:45:25,255
It was my job to keep everything discreet.
744
00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:26,347
So...
745
00:45:26,806 --> 00:45:28,726
Would you
say these girls were young?
746
00:45:29,684 --> 00:45:30,885
Um...
747
00:45:31,936 --> 00:45:34,056
Oof, you put me on the spot, sir.
748
00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:43,067
Every part of this case
was an uphill battle.
749
00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:46,032
His employees didn't want to cooperate,
750
00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,329
so we went through the trash at his home.
751
00:45:50,246 --> 00:45:52,746
In one case,
we found a school report card
752
00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,543
for one of the victims.
753
00:45:56,170 --> 00:46:00,340
And in another case,
we learned that he sent a messenger
754
00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,641
to the school to provide flowers
to the victim
755
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,260
who had been part of a performance there.
756
00:46:09,182 --> 00:46:11,983
West Palm Beach
has dozens of high schools
757
00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:13,849
and middle schools.
758
00:46:13,936 --> 00:46:17,067
Thousands and thousands of kids.
Some private schools out there.
759
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,900
All these schools became a hunting ground
for this predator.
760
00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:30,871
I think at 16, 17,
when you're in high school,
761
00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,503
I think we're all vulnerable.
762
00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,541
This is Royal Palm Beach High School.
This is where we went to high school.
763
00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,378
Not the happiest moment in my life.
764
00:46:41,255 --> 00:46:45,505
My name is Haley Robson,
and I was 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
765
00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:50,389
Growing up in West Palm Beach,
I had a big family, lots of cousins.
766
00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:51,684
I have two sisters.
767
00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:56,056
My dad was a police officer.
My mom worked in banking.
768
00:46:57,523 --> 00:46:58,773
I love horses.
769
00:46:59,315 --> 00:47:01,525
I started riding when I was 11.
770
00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:04,070
Couple years later, I got competitive.
771
00:47:04,445 --> 00:47:07,445
This was probably
the most happy time of my life.
772
00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,576
But I had gone through
a traumatic experience
773
00:47:11,661 --> 00:47:13,161
before I met Jeffrey Epstein.
774
00:47:13,871 --> 00:47:16,001
The summer before I turned 16,
775
00:47:16,416 --> 00:47:17,286
I was raped.
776
00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:20,416
It was my first experience with a man.
777
00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:22,590
He was 21.
778
00:47:22,672 --> 00:47:24,512
I just closed up.
779
00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:30,512
Um... I started using drugs.
I was drinking all the time, smoking weed.
780
00:47:31,556 --> 00:47:34,347
I just kind of wanted to just vanish,
just disappear.
781
00:47:37,728 --> 00:47:39,978
The girl that introduced me
to Jeffrey Epstein
782
00:47:40,481 --> 00:47:41,902
went to High School with me.
783
00:47:42,733 --> 00:47:47,454
She said, "I know this guy and he would
give me $200 just to give him a massage."
784
00:47:48,489 --> 00:47:51,829
And my first immediate reaction
or thought that came to my mind was
785
00:47:51,909 --> 00:47:54,150
"This is my ticket out of West Palm.
This is my way out."
786
00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,628
We drove to Palm Beach island...
787
00:48:00,793 --> 00:48:04,264
and we actually walked in...
It wasn't the front door.
788
00:48:04,338 --> 00:48:07,509
It was almost like this side door
that led into the kitchen.
789
00:48:09,802 --> 00:48:13,143
I remember we walked up a flight of stairs
that kind of curved.
790
00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:17,063
And the first thing that I noticed,
because it was so distracting,
791
00:48:17,143 --> 00:48:18,143
was the wall art.
792
00:48:20,271 --> 00:48:21,731
A lot of nudity.
793
00:48:22,648 --> 00:48:24,858
Naked statues, naked pictures.
794
00:48:25,610 --> 00:48:27,240
It made me feel uncomfortable...
795
00:48:27,987 --> 00:48:30,527
and then I saw, like,
a photograph of kids.
796
00:48:31,532 --> 00:48:32,663
It wasn't normal.
797
00:48:35,286 --> 00:48:37,577
The massage began as a massage,
798
00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,210
then he turned over.
799
00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,585
He was naked on the table.
800
00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:45,340
And I just remember feeling really scared.
801
00:48:46,547 --> 00:48:48,257
It just brought up a lot of bad...
802
00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:49,838
emotions.
803
00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:52,969
Did he touch you?
804
00:48:53,054 --> 00:48:55,715
Yeah, in inappropriate places.
805
00:48:56,849 --> 00:48:58,099
Does he use his hands?
806
00:48:58,184 --> 00:49:02,054
He uses his hand,
and I guess it's like a vibrator.
807
00:49:02,688 --> 00:49:03,688
But, um...
808
00:49:04,523 --> 00:49:06,233
I refused to do that.
809
00:49:08,402 --> 00:49:10,992
He tried to touch me below the belt.
810
00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:13,740
I declined.
811
00:49:13,824 --> 00:49:17,655
Um, I told him I didn't feel comfortable.
"No, it's not going to happen."
812
00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:21,416
At that moment, he was offering me,
813
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,289
"Okay. Well,
this isn't going to happen, so...
814
00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:26,170
just if you have any friends,
815
00:49:26,253 --> 00:49:28,844
if you bring them to me,
I'll give you $200."
816
00:49:29,465 --> 00:49:31,585
Just to bring a girl?
-Yeah.
817
00:49:31,677 --> 00:49:34,347
The girl that was going
knew she would have to massage him.
818
00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:35,599
She knew everything.
819
00:49:36,722 --> 00:49:38,682
How long
have you been working for him?
820
00:49:38,766 --> 00:49:40,637
I probably worked for him
for a year.
821
00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:43,806
I probably recruited...
822
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:46,440
maybe 24 girls.
823
00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:49,697
Those girls brought
other girls, too.
824
00:49:50,862 --> 00:49:53,202
Okay.
-So, it's like a train.
825
00:49:53,614 --> 00:49:55,025
Who else was underage?
826
00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:57,034
Under 18?
827
00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,039
All of them.
-All of them?
828
00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:00,121
All of them.
829
00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:03,666
I would recruit girls
that were friends.
830
00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,835
I would just casually bring it up.
831
00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:09,164
And we would drive together to his house.
832
00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,800
I would take them to the room.
And then I would walk out.
833
00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:16,719
Sometimes I would wait out by the pool.
834
00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:20,931
When the girls would leave,
Jeffrey would come outside to pay me.
835
00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:26,436
He would say, you know, "How are you?
How is everything? How's your family?"
836
00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:29,822
He wanted you to think he was a friend
and that he cared.
837
00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:34,951
All right,
I talked to my boss for a little bit.
838
00:50:35,322 --> 00:50:37,123
Which is why I'm here.
-Okay.
839
00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:38,697
Um...
840
00:50:39,911 --> 00:50:42,911
At this point, you've clearly
implicated yourself in a crime.
841
00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:45,918
Okay? You've taken girls
to somebody's house
842
00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:47,670
for the purpose of prostitution.
843
00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:51,302
More importantly, and more significantly,
one of those girls was 14 at the time.
844
00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:54,630
Okay? Now that's a pretty significant
second-degree felony.
845
00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:01,556
I remember them being really tough on me,
and I think at one point I started crying.
846
00:51:01,849 --> 00:51:03,980
And I remember feeling really scared.
847
00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:08,440
And they treated me like
I was his right-hand man.
848
00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,193
But what about the girl that recruited me?
849
00:51:12,277 --> 00:51:15,856
What happened to her? What about the girl
that recruited the girl that recruited me?
850
00:51:17,865 --> 00:51:21,036
I feel like I've been putting
the blame on myself for so long,
851
00:51:21,786 --> 00:51:24,956
bashing myself,
and just being hard on myself,
852
00:51:25,706 --> 00:51:29,036
but I shouldn't feel guilty about it
because I was 16...
853
00:51:29,628 --> 00:51:30,838
and he's the adult,
854
00:51:31,505 --> 00:51:33,164
and he should not...
855
00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:35,375
make me feel...
856
00:51:36,217 --> 00:51:37,217
guilty.
857
00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:41,222
I've never said...
Never ever come forward like this.
858
00:51:42,306 --> 00:51:45,056
It just, like, brings up,
like, so many emotions.
859
00:51:51,690 --> 00:51:54,860
The girls
that are recruiting the other girls
860
00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:58,525
are definitely victims of Jeffrey Epstein.
861
00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:01,992
They were manipulated in a unique way.
862
00:52:03,494 --> 00:52:06,954
They were made to feel special,
863
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:11,340
and they were also offered opportunities
864
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:16,760
that could get them
out of their life�circumstances.
865
00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:20,891
And the added bonus that
they didn't have to do anything sexual
866
00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,641
with this middle-aged man.
867
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:29,559
This is how Jeffrey Epstein created
a sexual pyramid scheme.
868
00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,567
After months of our investigation,
869
00:52:39,655 --> 00:52:44,115
we realized that this was a way of life
for Mr. Epstein,
870
00:52:44,994 --> 00:52:48,494
and I believe he felt
that he would never be caught.
871
00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:55,552
And so it was very important for us
to get inside�of Mr. Epstein's home,
872
00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:58,760
because we wanted to see
if there was additional evidence
873
00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:02,851
and to validate the information
given to us by the victims.
874
00:53:05,014 --> 00:53:06,514
But we had to be very careful.
875
00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:11,269
We did not want to reveal to Mr. Epstein
that he was being investigated
876
00:53:11,353 --> 00:53:13,483
until we had an airtight case.
877
00:53:14,983 --> 00:53:17,322
Finally, seven months into the case,
878
00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:21,452
we felt as though that was the time
to execute the search warrant.
879
00:53:26,827 --> 00:53:29,918
This is a complete description
of the residence desired to be searched,
880
00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:32,077
including the curtilage attached thereof.
881
00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:36,172
I will leave a list
of what items we're taking.
882
00:53:39,048 --> 00:53:44,679
We were extremely surprised
at what we found inside Epstein's house.
883
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,679
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