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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:12,728 --> 00:00:16,728 www.titlovi.com 2 00:00:19,728 --> 00:00:21,018 Raise your hand, please. 3 00:00:21,103 --> 00:00:23,544 Do you swear the testimony you're about to give in this matter 4 00:00:23,606 --> 00:00:24,896 shall be the truth, whole truth, 5 00:00:24,983 --> 00:00:26,693 and nothing but the truth? -Yes, ma'am. 6 00:00:28,902 --> 00:00:30,913 Would you please state your full name? 7 00:00:30,989 --> 00:00:33,319 It's Jeffrey Edward Epstein, 8 00:00:33,408 --> 00:00:36,487 and my residence address is 6100 Red Hook Boulevard 9 00:00:36,578 --> 00:00:37,787 in Virgin Islands. 10 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:41,709 Do you maintain any other residences presently? 11 00:00:42,332 --> 00:00:44,713 I have vacation homes in New Mexico... 12 00:00:45,253 --> 00:00:48,512 uh... Palm Beach, New York and Paris. 13 00:00:50,924 --> 00:00:53,174 Have you ever been convicted of a crime? 14 00:00:53,677 --> 00:00:54,677 Yes. 15 00:00:55,095 --> 00:00:57,966 What was the crime of which you were convicted? 16 00:00:59,433 --> 00:01:02,814 Uh... Two, uh, counts. One soliciting prostitution, 17 00:01:03,313 --> 00:01:05,323 and procuring a minor for prostitution. 18 00:01:09,569 --> 00:01:11,778 Did you in fact commit those acts? 19 00:01:12,362 --> 00:01:14,283 I'm going to invoke my Fifth Amendment right. 20 00:01:14,364 --> 00:01:17,784 How many times�have you solicited a minor for prostitution? 21 00:01:18,243 --> 00:01:19,084 Same answer. 22 00:01:19,162 --> 00:01:22,081 How many times have you solicited a minor for prostitution 23 00:01:22,164 --> 00:01:24,414 in the State of Florida? -Same answer. 24 00:01:24,501 --> 00:01:28,131 Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution in the Virgin Islands? 25 00:01:28,962 --> 00:01:29,962 Same answer. 26 00:01:30,882 --> 00:01:33,591 That is that you are invoking your Fifth Amendment... 27 00:01:33,676 --> 00:01:34,506 Yes. -Right? 28 00:01:34,593 --> 00:01:35,473 Yes, Mr... 29 00:01:35,552 --> 00:01:38,222 Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New York? 30 00:01:38,890 --> 00:01:39,890 Same answer. 31 00:01:39,932 --> 00:01:43,563 Have you ever solicited for prostitution in New Mexico? 32 00:01:43,978 --> 00:01:44,847 Same answer. 33 00:01:44,938 --> 00:01:47,688 Have you ever solicited for prostitution in Paris? 34 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:49,228 Same answer. 35 00:01:49,317 --> 00:01:53,606 Have you ever solicited a minor for prostitution anywhere at any time? 36 00:01:53,695 --> 00:01:55,526 Again, I'm going to assert my right. 37 00:01:55,990 --> 00:01:58,079 Let's take a break. We'll go off the record. 38 00:01:58,158 --> 00:02:00,659 So you are terminating the deposition at this time? 39 00:02:00,745 --> 00:02:02,405 We are recessing the deposition. 40 00:03:05,225 --> 00:03:06,475 I'm Vicky Ward. 41 00:03:06,686 --> 00:03:08,306 I'm an investigative journalist. 42 00:03:08,396 --> 00:03:14,105 I wrote a story about Jeffrey Epstein for Vanity Fair back in 2003. 43 00:03:15,694 --> 00:03:19,025 I heard about Jeffrey Epstein, actually, 44 00:03:19,115 --> 00:03:22,115 long before I was asked to write about him 45 00:03:22,451 --> 00:03:24,372 because he was known 46 00:03:24,454 --> 00:03:29,503 as this sort of Gatsby-like figure of mystery in New York. 47 00:03:32,211 --> 00:03:34,171 He was this single guy, 48 00:03:34,254 --> 00:03:36,965 very wealthy, very good-looking, 49 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:40,715 and people knew that he had made a lot of money, 50 00:03:40,802 --> 00:03:43,353 but they didn't know how. 51 00:03:44,765 --> 00:03:47,936 He claimed to be the money manager for the uber-rich. 52 00:03:48,394 --> 00:03:53,274 People knew that he hung out with a lot of famous people: 53 00:03:53,691 --> 00:03:55,110 Prince Andrew, 54 00:03:56,110 --> 00:03:57,280 Bill Clinton, 55 00:03:57,903 --> 00:04:01,704 a lot of famous academics, the lawyer Alan Dershowitz, 56 00:04:02,616 --> 00:04:06,576 and that he was always surrounded by very beautiful, 57 00:04:06,663 --> 00:04:08,543 often very young, women. 58 00:04:10,165 --> 00:04:15,256 I knew Ghislaine Maxwell, his then supposed girlfriend. 59 00:04:15,754 --> 00:04:17,875 She was Oxford educated, 60 00:04:18,548 --> 00:04:20,218 very witty, very funny. 61 00:04:21,052 --> 00:04:24,062 She was a great connector for Jeffrey. 62 00:04:26,014 --> 00:04:31,345 Graydon Carter, who was then the editor of Vanity Fair, said to me, 63 00:04:31,437 --> 00:04:34,437 "I've been hearing about this guy, Jeffrey Epstein, 64 00:04:35,066 --> 00:04:38,526 for years, but no one knows anything about him." 65 00:04:39,362 --> 00:04:41,781 And so he gave me the story. 66 00:04:42,490 --> 00:04:44,029 It was a society piece. 67 00:04:44,117 --> 00:04:46,656 It wasn't supposed to be anything more than that. 68 00:04:48,120 --> 00:04:49,211 But right away... 69 00:04:50,081 --> 00:04:52,670 there was a red flag. 70 00:04:54,543 --> 00:04:56,343 One of my sources said, 71 00:04:56,586 --> 00:05:01,336 "I know a woman who had a very unpleasant experience 72 00:05:01,843 --> 00:05:03,432 working with Jeffrey. 73 00:05:03,886 --> 00:05:05,305 And even worse, 74 00:05:05,387 --> 00:05:09,848 her younger sister was abused by him when she was underage. 75 00:05:10,685 --> 00:05:12,894 Maybe they will talk to you." 76 00:05:13,562 --> 00:05:16,773 And, obviously, this took what had primarily been 77 00:05:17,358 --> 00:05:19,817 a business investigation 78 00:05:19,901 --> 00:05:21,242 in a whole... 79 00:05:22,071 --> 00:05:24,370 different... direction. 80 00:05:36,627 --> 00:05:41,086 I began painting my senior year of college. 81 00:05:44,343 --> 00:05:47,473 I just dedicated myself to painting constantly. 82 00:05:49,223 --> 00:05:51,932 I looked at it like I was an Olympic athlete, 83 00:05:52,018 --> 00:05:55,307 and I was just working all the time, you know, training. 84 00:05:55,396 --> 00:06:00,225 And then I was just giving myself the fresh mind every time to the canvas. 85 00:06:03,904 --> 00:06:05,694 This is my graduate school, 86 00:06:05,781 --> 00:06:07,451 the New York Academy of Art. 87 00:06:07,533 --> 00:06:09,663 I graduated in 1995, 88 00:06:09,744 --> 00:06:15,043 and the night of our graduation, actually, you usually have an art show, 89 00:06:15,708 --> 00:06:18,338 and Eileen Guggenheim used to be the Dean of Students, 90 00:06:18,418 --> 00:06:19,499 and she would run it. 91 00:06:23,716 --> 00:06:26,836 At this show, I decided to enter a triptych. 92 00:06:27,261 --> 00:06:30,930 So that's three paintings, and it was the Alice in Wonderland series. 93 00:06:32,475 --> 00:06:36,305 The show is phenomenal for me. All three of my paintings sold right away. 94 00:06:37,562 --> 00:06:39,862 The first painting I sold for $14.000. 95 00:06:40,358 --> 00:06:43,317 and then the other two for $12.000 apiece. 96 00:06:43,860 --> 00:06:46,821 And I was really, obviously, excited, 97 00:06:47,281 --> 00:06:50,031 but Eileen then walked over to me, 98 00:06:50,826 --> 00:06:53,406 and Eileen's literally like twisting my arm, 99 00:06:53,495 --> 00:06:55,706 and she says, "This couple right here is 100 00:06:55,790 --> 00:06:57,590 who is going to buy your art. Do you hear me?" 101 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:00,495 And I said, "Well, I've already sold it." 102 00:07:00,586 --> 00:07:01,875 And she said, �"That's too bad. 103 00:07:01,963 --> 00:07:05,723 You're gonna tell them that it's not sold, and you're selling to this couple. 104 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:08,430 They're very important benefactors of the Academy." 105 00:07:08,511 --> 00:07:14,430 And Eileen says, "This is Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell, my dearest friends. 106 00:07:14,516 --> 00:07:16,476 And they're just completely delighted, 107 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:19,810 and you will be selling to them, and they will get a discount." 108 00:07:20,064 --> 00:07:23,403 And so I got 6.000 instead of 12.000 that night. 109 00:07:23,817 --> 00:07:27,447 And Jeffrey Epstein said, "Don't worry. We'll make it worth your while. 110 00:07:28,781 --> 00:07:29,781 Don't worry." 111 00:07:33,076 --> 00:07:37,576 I didn't see or hear from Jeffrey for a couple of months. 112 00:07:37,665 --> 00:07:41,875 And one day the phone rang, and he said, "I have a great job for you." 113 00:07:43,211 --> 00:07:46,591 Jeffrey had just acquired this mansion on 71st Street. 114 00:07:47,550 --> 00:07:51,139 He told me, "This is your new job. You're going to be managing the door, 115 00:07:51,220 --> 00:07:54,220 and you're going to be managing the people coming and going, 116 00:07:54,307 --> 00:07:56,807 the decorators, the visitors." 117 00:07:58,269 --> 00:08:01,439 One day Jeffrey Epstein said, "I would like to know 118 00:08:01,521 --> 00:08:02,942 how many siblings you have." 119 00:08:03,024 --> 00:08:05,653 And I described that I had two sisters, 120 00:08:06,067 --> 00:08:09,737 and I told him that my sister Annie was very intelligent 121 00:08:09,822 --> 00:08:14,872 and has hopes and dreams for a career, probably in Ivy League. 122 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:20,369 I was 16 years old, and it was my junior year in high school. 123 00:08:20,832 --> 00:08:23,463 Maria was living in Manhattan 124 00:08:23,543 --> 00:08:26,673 and had told us that she'd gotten a job, a great job, 125 00:08:26,755 --> 00:08:28,836 working for this man, Jeffrey Epstein, 126 00:08:28,925 --> 00:08:31,834 and that he might be interested in helping me in some way. 127 00:08:33,011 --> 00:08:35,312 He had proposed it would be helpful for me 128 00:08:35,389 --> 00:08:37,639 to go on some kind of international trip 129 00:08:37,725 --> 00:08:40,845 to Thailand and Vietnam in order to build up my r�sum� 130 00:08:40,937 --> 00:08:43,726 and to be more appealing for a competitive school. 131 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:47,360 He agreed that he would pay for that trip. 132 00:08:47,442 --> 00:08:49,572 At the time, it was very... 133 00:08:49,653 --> 00:08:52,073 It seemed very expensive, you know, so... 134 00:08:52,155 --> 00:08:55,485 um... I was just feeling really grateful for that. 135 00:09:03,458 --> 00:09:05,749 The trip was supposed to be that summer in July, 136 00:09:05,836 --> 00:09:12,255 and so he suggested that I come out to meet him and Ghislaine Maxwell 137 00:09:12,342 --> 00:09:14,602 at their ranch in New Mexico. 138 00:09:15,428 --> 00:09:18,139 My mom's understanding of what that trip would be was 139 00:09:18,224 --> 00:09:20,943 a chance for me to meet some other students 140 00:09:21,018 --> 00:09:23,347 who would also be going on similar trips. 141 00:09:24,563 --> 00:09:28,943 But when I got there, I realized I was the only one there staying with them. 142 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:32,407 They showed me around the property. 143 00:09:32,488 --> 00:09:35,618 It was part of building up this sense of, like, look at who I am, 144 00:09:35,700 --> 00:09:38,870 look at all that I have, be impressed by me. 145 00:09:41,330 --> 00:09:44,419 Ghislaine was very interested in whether I had ever had a massage before, 146 00:09:44,500 --> 00:09:47,000 like a professional massage, and I had not. 147 00:09:47,628 --> 00:09:48,947 It was really presented as, like, 148 00:09:49,004 --> 00:09:52,754 you're so lucky that you get to do this, to, you know, get this massage. 149 00:09:57,221 --> 00:09:59,140 She told me to undress, 150 00:09:59,222 --> 00:10:01,812 and there was a table there with a sheet on it. 151 00:10:04,519 --> 00:10:07,649 You know, a portion of it was just pretty typical, um... 152 00:10:07,731 --> 00:10:13,241 but there was a time when she had me lay on my back, 153 00:10:13,571 --> 00:10:18,530 and she, you know, pulled the sheet down so that my breasts were exposed. 154 00:10:19,744 --> 00:10:23,254 Because of the layout of the house and the doors that were open, 155 00:10:23,331 --> 00:10:25,081 I knew that Epstein could see me. 156 00:10:25,832 --> 00:10:30,052 I think the way that she rubbed my chest in, you know, 157 00:10:30,129 --> 00:10:32,298 in the massage also was inappropriate. 158 00:10:34,966 --> 00:10:37,427 The scariest moment of the weekend was 159 00:10:37,510 --> 00:10:41,181 when he came into my bedroom in the morning 160 00:10:41,264 --> 00:10:43,384 and said that he would like to cuddle. 161 00:10:45,101 --> 00:10:47,562 He crawled into bed with me. 162 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:52,740 And, um... you know, was touching me, 163 00:10:52,817 --> 00:10:55,317 and I don't remember how long that lasted 164 00:10:55,403 --> 00:10:58,033 because I was sort of checking out a bit. 165 00:10:59,658 --> 00:11:03,658 But I remember making an excuse like I needed to go to the bathroom. 166 00:11:03,745 --> 00:11:06,076 Got out of bed, and, like, went into the bathroom, 167 00:11:06,164 --> 00:11:07,995 and kind of shut the door, and was... 168 00:11:08,918 --> 00:11:12,207 you know, very scared of what was going on. 169 00:11:13,755 --> 00:11:15,716 And afterwards, I just avoided it. 170 00:11:16,133 --> 00:11:20,143 I didn't tell my closest friends, and I didn't tell Maria and my family, 171 00:11:20,221 --> 00:11:21,721 and I just thought, 172 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,806 "I'm going to focus on this trip this summer." 173 00:11:25,684 --> 00:11:27,804 And I went to Thailand and Vietnam. 174 00:11:32,149 --> 00:11:34,188 Annie was on this program in Thailand, 175 00:11:34,275 --> 00:11:39,066 and I received a call from Jeffrey saying that we want to help you with your career. 176 00:11:39,447 --> 00:11:42,658 So I was asked to go do an artist-in-residency. 177 00:11:44,870 --> 00:11:46,409 I was to go to Ohio, 178 00:11:46,496 --> 00:11:50,746 and I would be living in this 26.000 square foot home 179 00:11:51,085 --> 00:11:52,745 behind Les Wexner's house. 180 00:11:53,461 --> 00:11:56,261 When I asked Jeffrey who Les Wexner was, 181 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:59,299 he said, "He is my client and my very good friend, 182 00:11:59,384 --> 00:12:01,134 who happens to be a billionaire, 183 00:12:01,220 --> 00:12:02,889 and he would do anything for me." 184 00:12:03,389 --> 00:12:08,269 So I drove a Penske truck to Ohio because I took all of my art supplies. 185 00:12:09,687 --> 00:12:10,687 I set up shop, 186 00:12:11,187 --> 00:12:12,437 and I started painting. 187 00:12:12,856 --> 00:12:16,527 These paintings were paintings about puberty, 188 00:12:17,110 --> 00:12:19,411 girls partially nude, 189 00:12:19,488 --> 00:12:22,368 voyeuristic kind of private moments, 190 00:12:22,450 --> 00:12:23,659 but not sexual. 191 00:12:24,159 --> 00:12:28,120 My process is that I take photographs, and I work from them. 192 00:12:28,205 --> 00:12:31,205 And I was using my two sisters as the models. 193 00:12:34,544 --> 00:12:37,085 So, Jeffrey and Ghislaine came to visit one day. 194 00:12:40,301 --> 00:12:43,640 That night, Ghislaine came and got me and said, 195 00:12:43,721 --> 00:12:45,931 "Jeffrey would like to have his feet rubbed." 196 00:12:46,347 --> 00:12:47,727 And my stomach sank. 197 00:12:48,267 --> 00:12:50,897 I felt like, "Gosh, I don't want them to think I'm not grateful, 198 00:12:50,977 --> 00:12:53,057 but this is so inappropriate", you know? 199 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:56,610 And so I... rubbed his feet for a little while... 200 00:12:57,735 --> 00:12:59,565 and he said, "Come up here." 201 00:13:00,863 --> 00:13:04,373 Then he patted over here for me to sit next to him. 202 00:13:04,866 --> 00:13:07,366 Then Ghislaine sat down on the other side of me. 203 00:13:08,287 --> 00:13:10,657 Jeffrey immediately was doing this. 204 00:13:11,039 --> 00:13:14,000 Like, it was really mechanical and bizarre, 205 00:13:14,083 --> 00:13:17,254 and Ghislaine then was doing this on me. 206 00:13:17,337 --> 00:13:20,548 And then they were touching me in different ways on my chest. 207 00:13:22,217 --> 00:13:24,638 It didn't feel right at all, and I didn't like it. 208 00:13:25,971 --> 00:13:28,390 I kind of had like, you know, some tears, 209 00:13:28,474 --> 00:13:30,484 and she goes, "Shh, it's gonna be okay." 210 00:13:30,558 --> 00:13:33,188 And she was like really with her other hand, like, 211 00:13:33,269 --> 00:13:34,980 rubbing on my hand 212 00:13:35,063 --> 00:13:37,274 and telling me that it was going to be okay. 213 00:13:38,859 --> 00:13:40,948 I had escaped my body at that point. 214 00:13:41,028 --> 00:13:44,567 I wasn't really in that moment at all. 215 00:13:45,490 --> 00:13:46,951 And at some point, 216 00:13:47,659 --> 00:13:50,250 I was able to like catapult my body out of that bed. 217 00:13:51,455 --> 00:13:53,745 I went to my room, and I barricaded my door. 218 00:13:53,832 --> 00:13:55,883 I put a piece of furniture against it. 219 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,840 Just kind of huddled up in that room 220 00:13:58,086 --> 00:14:00,547 until Jeffrey and Ghislaine left that morning. 221 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:05,969 When I woke up, I went and checked to see 222 00:14:06,052 --> 00:14:08,562 if my photographs of my sisters were there, 223 00:14:09,056 --> 00:14:11,475 and realized three photographs had been stolen. 224 00:14:11,892 --> 00:14:13,192 And I was freaking out. 225 00:14:13,394 --> 00:14:14,943 So, I called Annie. 226 00:14:16,813 --> 00:14:20,484 My sister confronted me about whether anything had happened to me 227 00:14:20,567 --> 00:14:22,437 when I was at the ranch. 228 00:14:22,735 --> 00:14:26,196 I told her things that had made me really uncomfortable had happened, 229 00:14:26,282 --> 00:14:28,282 but I really don't want to talk about it. 230 00:14:29,451 --> 00:14:32,500 I said, "Listen, you're never going to have to deal with them again. 231 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:33,580 Do not worry. 232 00:14:33,746 --> 00:14:35,826 I am so sorry you were exposed to this." 233 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,380 It was just a very uncomfortable feeling to know that he had these photos of us, 234 00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:43,715 and... 235 00:14:44,341 --> 00:14:46,640 in particular of my younger sister 236 00:14:46,719 --> 00:14:49,259 because she was just 12 when those photos were taken. 237 00:14:49,346 --> 00:14:50,346 And... 238 00:14:50,972 --> 00:14:53,062 it was just so... 239 00:14:53,642 --> 00:14:54,642 um... 240 00:14:55,184 --> 00:14:58,054 It was just upsetting to know that he had those photos, 241 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:01,440 and to never know what happened to them or how he was using them. 242 00:15:02,275 --> 00:15:04,775 He could be using them to sexually please himself. 243 00:15:10,326 --> 00:15:12,485 So the next day, Jeffrey called me, 244 00:15:12,577 --> 00:15:14,368 and he tried to pretend like 245 00:15:14,455 --> 00:15:17,115 it was a really fun time he'd had the night before, 246 00:15:17,541 --> 00:15:19,841 and he tried to kind of play it off like that. 247 00:15:19,918 --> 00:15:21,629 And I said, "That wasn't fun for me." 248 00:15:22,046 --> 00:15:24,875 And then he offered to give me basically what I wanted 249 00:15:24,965 --> 00:15:28,174 to not make a stink about everything, just, "What do you want?" 250 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:31,764 Like, "How much money do you want? What can I do for you?" 251 00:15:32,181 --> 00:15:33,181 Um... 252 00:15:33,514 --> 00:15:36,514 And I s... I didn't say anything. I hung up on him. 253 00:15:38,854 --> 00:15:41,653 When I got back to New York City, 254 00:15:41,731 --> 00:15:44,692 I told the NYPD everything that had happened. 255 00:15:44,777 --> 00:15:47,067 I told them I'd been assaulted. And they said, 256 00:15:47,153 --> 00:15:50,663 "It's just not in our jurisdiction. Like, we have nothing to do with this. 257 00:15:50,740 --> 00:15:53,540 These things happened in Ohio, New Mexico. 258 00:15:53,619 --> 00:15:55,078 You're gonna have to call the FBI." 259 00:15:56,371 --> 00:16:00,542 When I called the FBI, I laid it out very specifically. 260 00:16:00,833 --> 00:16:02,714 I said, "I'm reporting these people: 261 00:16:02,794 --> 00:16:04,955 Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell." 262 00:16:05,547 --> 00:16:08,756 I told them everything, and I could tell that he believed me. 263 00:16:08,841 --> 00:16:12,052 So, I really had believed that he was going to take care of this. 264 00:16:12,804 --> 00:16:15,424 And then we just actually did not hear back. 265 00:16:22,105 --> 00:16:27,645 Because these sisters had been ignored for so long, 266 00:16:27,735 --> 00:16:31,985 they were�very, very frightened of going on the record, 267 00:16:32,490 --> 00:16:37,790 speaking up about what Jeffrey would do to them. 268 00:16:38,413 --> 00:16:39,713 Part of them, understandably, 269 00:16:39,789 --> 00:16:43,039 just thought they could never fight against a man of his power. 270 00:16:46,004 --> 00:16:51,085 We proceed, very reluctantly after a family decision, 271 00:16:51,427 --> 00:16:54,596 um... that we're going to do this thing. We're going to talk about this. 272 00:16:57,265 --> 00:16:59,475 I spoke to the younger sister, 273 00:16:59,559 --> 00:17:01,559 who was molested by him 274 00:17:01,644 --> 00:17:03,264 and lived in fear. 275 00:17:06,025 --> 00:17:09,105 So, after we had presented our story to Vicky, 276 00:17:09,193 --> 00:17:13,284 then Vanity Fair had to take this account to Epstein 277 00:17:13,365 --> 00:17:17,285 to essentially fact-check it and get his perspective and his side of things. 278 00:17:17,493 --> 00:17:19,963 And when they did that, he came back with his own story, 279 00:17:20,622 --> 00:17:23,882 which was we were in fact women that were infatuated with him. 280 00:17:24,042 --> 00:17:27,093 And that's what this was coming out of. It was, 281 00:17:27,171 --> 00:17:30,090 you know, revenge for that being unrequited. 282 00:17:32,134 --> 00:17:35,144 He would say, "Well, Vicky, if I don't like this piece, 283 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,970 it's going to be bad for you and your family." 284 00:17:38,766 --> 00:17:41,266 And I was newly pregnant with twins. 285 00:17:42,019 --> 00:17:44,189 He said, "Where are you giving birth?" 286 00:17:44,395 --> 00:17:45,685 He followed that up with, 287 00:17:45,772 --> 00:17:47,942 "I know all the doctors in all the hospitals, 288 00:17:48,025 --> 00:17:50,306 so it doesn't matter. If you don't tell me, I'll find out. 289 00:17:50,652 --> 00:17:51,951 If I don't like this piece, 290 00:17:52,028 --> 00:17:55,699 I'm going to have a witch doctor place a curse on your unborn children." 291 00:17:59,161 --> 00:18:03,671 He was beginning to spook me out, and these are just conversations. 292 00:18:03,999 --> 00:18:05,828 So I could only imagine 293 00:18:06,460 --> 00:18:10,380 how the women must have felt. 294 00:18:11,006 --> 00:18:13,215 I got a phone call from Graydon. 295 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:19,141 He was pretty spooked because he'd found a severed cat head in his garden. 296 00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:22,310 He also found a bullet on his doorstep. 297 00:18:23,059 --> 00:18:26,059 And then suddenly, I was told by my editor 298 00:18:26,145 --> 00:18:29,316 that the girls were being taken out of the story. 299 00:18:30,317 --> 00:18:33,447 I was horrified. I said, "Why? They've been so brave. 300 00:18:33,528 --> 00:18:35,699 They've laid so much on the line. Why?" 301 00:18:36,448 --> 00:18:38,407 And the message came back, 302 00:18:38,491 --> 00:18:42,912 "Well, he's obviously sensitive about the girls. That's a sore point." 303 00:18:44,914 --> 00:18:46,994 I'll never forget Graydon Carter saying to me, 304 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:48,544 "I believe Jeffrey Epstein." 305 00:18:55,675 --> 00:18:58,215 I remember buying the copy of Vanity Fair 306 00:18:58,302 --> 00:19:01,972 and seeing the spread, you know, "The Talented Mr. Epstein." 307 00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:06,346 And it said nothing about any of his interest in girls. 308 00:19:08,230 --> 00:19:12,190 I think that Vanity Fair basically got bought off by Jeffrey. 309 00:19:20,909 --> 00:19:23,159 The excuse was, "Well, it's a business story." 310 00:19:23,244 --> 00:19:26,494 It was a business story, but, just like life, 311 00:19:26,582 --> 00:19:29,922 the story was more complicated, far more complicated. 312 00:19:40,846 --> 00:19:43,675 I cried in public. 313 00:19:43,765 --> 00:19:44,765 Um... 314 00:19:45,308 --> 00:19:46,308 You know, 315 00:19:46,934 --> 00:19:47,934 so much work, 316 00:19:48,311 --> 00:19:49,612 so much bravery, 317 00:19:50,521 --> 00:19:51,572 and for what? 318 00:19:54,984 --> 00:19:58,815 It seemed it was more evidence of the fact that he was powerful, 319 00:19:58,905 --> 00:20:01,576 and he could fix whatever thing came up. 320 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:07,865 Jeffrey Epstein is the ultimate story 321 00:20:07,955 --> 00:20:12,246 of the abuse of power and money. 322 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:18,180 But, of course, what none of us knew was that the girls who I'd spoken to 323 00:20:18,592 --> 00:20:19,721 were only the tip... 324 00:20:21,053 --> 00:20:22,353 of the iceberg. 325 00:20:26,599 --> 00:20:30,940 And it actually got even worse in Florida. 326 00:20:43,450 --> 00:20:47,200 Jeffrey Epstein bought his Palm Beach mansion in 1990. 327 00:20:48,829 --> 00:20:50,250 Epstein was new money. 328 00:20:50,624 --> 00:20:53,634 He didn't have generations of growing up there, 329 00:20:54,086 --> 00:20:56,205 sailing in the Intracoastal Waterway... 330 00:20:57,338 --> 00:20:58,798 but he had tons of new money. 331 00:20:58,882 --> 00:21:03,801 And if you have enough money, you can buy your way in to any society. 332 00:21:05,846 --> 00:21:09,136 There are things that have been true about Palm Beach since I was a kid. 333 00:21:10,352 --> 00:21:14,061 Some of the protectiveness, some of the clannishness... 334 00:21:14,605 --> 00:21:17,395 It's definitely a very insular world. 335 00:21:17,984 --> 00:21:20,565 There is almost a hermetic seal around it. 336 00:21:21,153 --> 00:21:24,124 It's not just an extremely wealthy zip code. 337 00:21:24,199 --> 00:21:25,199 It's an island. 338 00:21:25,450 --> 00:21:26,490 And I think that... 339 00:21:26,826 --> 00:21:31,287 it almost has a psychological effect on the very wealthy people who move there, 340 00:21:31,373 --> 00:21:32,792 or who have grown up there, 341 00:21:32,874 --> 00:21:35,963 or whose fathers or grandfathers bought estates there, 342 00:21:36,044 --> 00:21:39,554 because there's a sense of security, and safety, and privacy, 343 00:21:39,631 --> 00:21:41,260 and they like it that way. 344 00:21:44,260 --> 00:21:46,721 Epstein and I essentially were neighbors. 345 00:21:48,432 --> 00:21:51,942 And why would Jeffrey Epstein... come here? 346 00:21:52,019 --> 00:21:53,398 You know, here it is. 347 00:21:53,936 --> 00:21:55,106 I mean, you're on the ocean. 348 00:21:55,605 --> 00:21:57,184 It's quiet and secluded. 349 00:22:01,153 --> 00:22:03,492 I came down here in 2007, 350 00:22:03,571 --> 00:22:08,701 and back then, there was very little known about Jeffrey Epstein. 351 00:22:09,577 --> 00:22:12,998 What people knew about him was that he was stunningly rich. 352 00:22:13,664 --> 00:22:17,085 The guy was living a life that most people dream about. 353 00:22:17,877 --> 00:22:21,468 He had a 15 to 20 million dollar house here in Palm Beach. 354 00:22:21,548 --> 00:22:24,468 He had one of the largest townhouses in New York City, 355 00:22:24,550 --> 00:22:26,891 a massive apartment in Paris, 356 00:22:26,970 --> 00:22:29,259 his own private island in the Caribbean, 357 00:22:29,347 --> 00:22:31,887 a sprawling ranch in New Mexico, 358 00:22:32,308 --> 00:22:33,308 a helicopter, 359 00:22:33,393 --> 00:22:35,853 two airplanes, one a 727. 360 00:22:39,106 --> 00:22:40,747 That's the commercial side of the airport 361 00:22:40,776 --> 00:22:43,195 there where all the JetBlue and everyone else lands. 362 00:22:43,694 --> 00:22:47,065 But the west side of the airport is where all the private jets are. 363 00:22:47,531 --> 00:22:49,451 And that's where Jeffrey parked his jets. 364 00:22:50,660 --> 00:22:53,829 I was a reporter here for 25 years. I also lived over in Palm Beach. 365 00:22:53,913 --> 00:22:57,963 Covered the Epstein case extensively. This guy was a bit of a ghost down here. 366 00:22:58,042 --> 00:23:00,002 Nobody really saw him. Nobody knew him. 367 00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:03,880 In the '80s, he hit it out of the ballpark. 368 00:23:04,090 --> 00:23:07,550 A lot of powerful men liked him and trusted him to handle his money. 369 00:23:10,888 --> 00:23:14,229 Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump, they were both wealthy guys from New York, 370 00:23:14,308 --> 00:23:18,479 and they both ended up living a mile apart along billionaire's row in Palm Beach. 371 00:23:18,563 --> 00:23:22,192 They knew each other. Epstein frequented Mar-a-Lago for a time. 372 00:23:22,942 --> 00:23:26,613 There's now a�widely circulated quote from Donald Trump, 373 00:23:26,695 --> 00:23:29,026 which he probably would like to reel back in, 374 00:23:29,115 --> 00:23:32,115 "I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. 375 00:23:32,201 --> 00:23:35,122 It is even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, 376 00:23:35,204 --> 00:23:37,535 and many of them are on the younger side." 377 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,244 Palm Beach is a very small town. 378 00:23:40,335 --> 00:23:43,954 It's almost impossible to conceive living there and moving in that world 379 00:23:44,047 --> 00:23:46,086 and not hearing rumors about Epstein 380 00:23:46,173 --> 00:23:50,304 or not being aware of something odd going on at Jeff's place. 381 00:23:58,811 --> 00:24:02,152 I'm Michael Reiter. I've been here 38 years, 382 00:24:02,231 --> 00:24:04,442 on the Palm Beach Police Department for 28, 383 00:24:04,526 --> 00:24:09,605 and I was Police Chief in Palm Beach from 2001 through 2009. 384 00:24:10,198 --> 00:24:13,738 I first met Jeffrey Epstein somewhere around 2001. 385 00:24:14,076 --> 00:24:15,997 Epstein visited me in my office 386 00:24:16,078 --> 00:24:20,169 to talk about making a donation of equipment to the police department, 387 00:24:20,250 --> 00:24:22,500 which was nearly�$100.000. 388 00:24:23,127 --> 00:24:26,468 It was a brief visit. It was just a little bit of chit-chat. 389 00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:30,337 My impression was that he was just a wealthy, very private guy. 390 00:24:32,095 --> 00:24:34,134 Nearly two years later, 391 00:24:34,431 --> 00:24:37,431 we received reports from his neighbors 392 00:24:37,517 --> 00:24:41,096 that there was a large number of young women 393 00:24:41,188 --> 00:24:43,317 going to and from his residence. 394 00:24:43,522 --> 00:24:44,982 We thought, "That's suspicious." 395 00:24:45,066 --> 00:24:47,316 We sent personnel to stop them 396 00:24:47,693 --> 00:24:48,864 and interview them. 397 00:24:49,613 --> 00:24:52,202 They were all adults, the three or four that we talked to, 398 00:24:52,281 --> 00:24:56,162 and they said that they were simply doing office work for Mr. Epstein. 399 00:24:56,827 --> 00:24:58,327 Since they were all adults, 400 00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:01,883 there didn't seem to be any further police interest. 401 00:25:07,380 --> 00:25:09,220 Then in 2005, 402 00:25:09,298 --> 00:25:12,048 the parent of a young girl called the police station. 403 00:25:17,223 --> 00:25:19,183 Hello? -Hi, how are you? 404 00:25:19,267 --> 00:25:23,396 I'm good. I'm returning your call, I apologize. I don't know what for. 405 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,650 It's okay. It was an incident that occurred 406 00:25:25,731 --> 00:25:28,902 maybe three and a half weeks ago with one of my stepdaughters. 407 00:25:28,984 --> 00:25:33,404 One day at school, she got into a fight, and she had over $300 on her. 408 00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,240 So after asking her and asking her what was going on, 409 00:25:37,326 --> 00:25:39,697 I found out that it ended up being that 410 00:25:39,788 --> 00:25:41,667 they went to Palm Beach to a gentleman's house. 411 00:25:41,748 --> 00:25:44,917 And they start off by giving this gentleman a massage. 412 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:45,921 And he pays them. 413 00:25:46,001 --> 00:25:48,422 If he likes them and thinks that they're pretty enough, 414 00:25:48,505 --> 00:25:50,964 he keeps them around to do other things. -Okay. 415 00:25:51,799 --> 00:25:54,299 So I wasn't quite sure if there was an investigation 416 00:25:54,385 --> 00:25:55,570 or if you guys had any word... 417 00:25:55,595 --> 00:25:58,265 Well, this is the first I'm hearing of it. 418 00:25:58,347 --> 00:26:01,018 Okay. -I'll need some more information. 419 00:26:01,101 --> 00:26:03,101 Would your stepdaughter be willing to come in 420 00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:05,150 to provide me with a statement? 421 00:26:06,189 --> 00:26:07,729 When a juvenile reports 422 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:11,355 that they have been a victim of a sex crime to the police department, 423 00:26:11,443 --> 00:26:13,243 we immediately take that very seriously. 424 00:26:13,989 --> 00:26:17,239 The parent was asked to bring the victim into the police station. 425 00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:19,484 A detective conducted an interview. 426 00:26:19,577 --> 00:26:23,288 Immediately upon, uh... that victim's report to us, 427 00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:26,423 which we found very credible, we launched an investigation. 428 00:26:28,295 --> 00:26:31,714 The very first victim was about 14 years old at that time. 429 00:26:33,090 --> 00:26:37,010 We were able, from the interview, to figure out exactly where the house was. 430 00:26:37,804 --> 00:26:42,354 From the description the victim provided, it was clear that it was Mr. Epstein. 431 00:26:44,519 --> 00:26:47,229 The case was assigned to our special investigations unit 432 00:26:47,646 --> 00:26:50,277 partly because of the nature of the crime, 433 00:26:50,357 --> 00:26:55,528 and partly because Mr. Epstein was a powerful, influential person. 434 00:26:57,031 --> 00:26:59,582 Joe Recarey was the lead investigator of the case. 435 00:27:00,076 --> 00:27:03,536 Unfortunately, Joe Recarey passed away a few years ago, 436 00:27:03,622 --> 00:27:07,001 but at the time, he believed there were other victims. 437 00:27:07,083 --> 00:27:09,093 So he began contacting them 438 00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:11,381 and listening to their stories. 439 00:27:13,006 --> 00:27:15,125 I appreciate you coming down to talk to me. 440 00:27:15,215 --> 00:27:17,135 You're not in any trouble. -Okay. 441 00:27:17,218 --> 00:27:19,178 I want to put that out there right now. 442 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:22,138 How did you meet Mr. Epstein? -Through a friend. 443 00:27:22,515 --> 00:27:24,595 It was like two years ago or so. 444 00:27:24,683 --> 00:27:27,023 About two years ago? That's when you first met him? 445 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:28,103 Yeah. Yeah. 446 00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:30,442 You were 17 then? -Mm-hmm. 447 00:27:30,522 --> 00:27:33,363 What is it that you were told you would have to do? 448 00:27:33,942 --> 00:27:35,863 Give him a massage. -Okay. 449 00:27:36,904 --> 00:27:40,025 During the massage, did he... um... 450 00:27:41,367 --> 00:27:43,538 ask you to remove your pants or... 451 00:27:45,246 --> 00:27:46,246 Yes. 452 00:27:47,123 --> 00:27:50,292 Every victim told essentially the same story. 453 00:27:50,751 --> 00:27:53,132 They thought that they would give him a massage. 454 00:27:53,212 --> 00:27:55,093 That's what most of them were told. 455 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:59,007 That's what lured them there for a small amount of money. 456 00:27:59,094 --> 00:28:02,064 What else happened when you were providing the massage? 457 00:28:02,137 --> 00:28:05,137 He took the towel off, and he started pleasing himself, 458 00:28:05,224 --> 00:28:07,055 which I was very uncomfortable with. 459 00:28:07,143 --> 00:28:10,192 I wanted to leave right when I got there. -Okay. 460 00:28:12,356 --> 00:28:16,737 Our biggest concern was that the victimization not to continue. 461 00:28:17,237 --> 00:28:19,856 That's why we started surveillance right away. 462 00:28:20,949 --> 00:28:22,578 We surveilled the airport... 463 00:28:25,202 --> 00:28:26,202 the house. 464 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:30,166 As we found additional victims, 465 00:28:30,250 --> 00:28:32,089 one victim would tell us about others, 466 00:28:32,167 --> 00:28:37,127 those others would tell us about others, and it began to multiply geometrically. 467 00:28:38,590 --> 00:28:41,550 Okay. First of all, I know this is hard on you, okay? 468 00:28:42,386 --> 00:28:43,926 Just take a deep breath. 469 00:28:44,012 --> 00:28:45,893 I'm trying. It's just... 470 00:28:45,973 --> 00:28:49,314 I wasn't aware that I was going to be alone with him for that ten minutes. 471 00:28:49,394 --> 00:28:50,903 And I thought I was gonna die. 472 00:28:52,146 --> 00:28:54,017 Did you have intercourse with him? 473 00:28:54,566 --> 00:28:56,105 Yes. -Okay. 474 00:28:57,777 --> 00:28:59,106 After two or three months, 475 00:28:59,194 --> 00:29:02,904 we feared that this involved a really large number of victims. 476 00:29:08,621 --> 00:29:11,711 Can you raise your right hand? Do you solemnly swear to tell the truth, 477 00:29:11,790 --> 00:29:13,471 the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, 478 00:29:13,500 --> 00:29:15,171 so help you God? -I do. 479 00:29:15,252 --> 00:29:18,343 State your name for the record. -Michelle Licata. 480 00:29:20,090 --> 00:29:23,391 I found the calendar from December 2004... 481 00:29:23,845 --> 00:29:26,214 the month that I met Jeffrey Epstein. 482 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:30,135 I wrote down my first party that I'd ever been to, 483 00:29:30,226 --> 00:29:33,685 talked to a boy 'til three o�clock in the morning. 484 00:29:33,771 --> 00:29:37,612 And then right before Christmas, that's the weekend that everything changed 485 00:29:37,692 --> 00:29:38,692 in my entire life. 486 00:29:41,820 --> 00:29:43,320 All right. In your own words, 487 00:29:43,405 --> 00:29:46,026 tell me exactly how you were introduced to this gentleman 488 00:29:46,116 --> 00:29:48,826 by the name of Jeffrey in, uh... Palm Beach. 489 00:29:48,912 --> 00:29:52,041 Um... My friend told me in class that... 490 00:29:52,749 --> 00:29:55,788 she could find a way of making money for Christmas. 491 00:29:56,627 --> 00:29:58,548 I didn't really know what she was talking about, 492 00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:59,799 but I was like, "Okay." 493 00:30:02,217 --> 00:30:03,636 I was a good kid. 494 00:30:03,718 --> 00:30:06,718 I always thought that my life was just ordinary. 495 00:30:07,137 --> 00:30:09,557 I had seven kids in my family. 496 00:30:10,057 --> 00:30:12,137 Michelle Licata. 497 00:30:12,227 --> 00:30:14,646 I was really good in school. 498 00:30:15,771 --> 00:30:17,112 I had a lot of friends. 499 00:30:18,607 --> 00:30:20,188 In cheerleading, 500 00:30:20,692 --> 00:30:22,823 I got the Spirit Award. 501 00:30:26,156 --> 00:30:28,537 Just a normal teenage girl. 502 00:30:28,992 --> 00:30:30,502 And what are we gonna do? 503 00:30:30,702 --> 00:30:32,002 We're gonna shop! 504 00:30:34,332 --> 00:30:38,132 One day, this girl wrote me a note in class that said, 505 00:30:38,211 --> 00:30:42,340 "Do you want to make some extra money massaging old guys?" 506 00:30:42,423 --> 00:30:45,593 And I was like, "Okay, that seems weird. But okay." 507 00:30:46,927 --> 00:30:49,927 She said to just go to this old guy's house 508 00:30:50,222 --> 00:30:54,063 and just massage him for 45 minutes, and you'll get like $200. 509 00:30:56,019 --> 00:30:58,190 Okay. How old were you? -Sixteen. 510 00:30:58,647 --> 00:30:59,647 Okay. 511 00:31:02,026 --> 00:31:05,486 We're driving probably like a good 45-minute ride. 512 00:31:06,196 --> 00:31:11,156 We pulled into a big, expensive-looking mansion. 513 00:31:12,077 --> 00:31:14,208 Before we got out of the car, she said, 514 00:31:14,288 --> 00:31:18,078 "Okay, so if anybody asks, uh, you're over the age of 18, 515 00:31:18,166 --> 00:31:21,497 but I don't think anybody is going to ask, just if they do." 516 00:31:25,465 --> 00:31:28,425 I was only there for like maybe a minute or two, 517 00:31:28,510 --> 00:31:29,851 and then he walked in. 518 00:31:31,138 --> 00:31:33,138 He laid down on his stomach. 519 00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:35,935 He said, "Okay, there's some lotions over there 520 00:31:36,019 --> 00:31:40,108 if you wanted to start massaging my feet and my legs." 521 00:31:40,189 --> 00:31:45,949 He flipped over, and he was talking to me about, uh, the way that I looked. 522 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,871 He was telling me how beautiful I was. 523 00:31:49,699 --> 00:31:53,409 I never thought I was the pretty girl in high school. 524 00:31:53,994 --> 00:31:55,615 I had braces, 525 00:31:55,704 --> 00:32:00,075 and for somebody to be pointing the spotlight at me, 526 00:32:00,209 --> 00:32:02,548 it was like, "Okay, he's giving me compliments. 527 00:32:02,628 --> 00:32:04,838 I never thought of myself that way." 528 00:32:07,759 --> 00:32:09,338 And then he kind of was like... 529 00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,220 grabbing my hip and kind of like maneuvering it 530 00:32:14,307 --> 00:32:16,057 so that he could look at me. 531 00:32:16,558 --> 00:32:20,858 He was telling me to take off my shirt and pants. 532 00:32:21,271 --> 00:32:23,862 He's like, "You can get down into your underwear." 533 00:32:24,317 --> 00:32:26,946 You know, you start thinking, "Okay. So... 534 00:32:27,528 --> 00:32:29,488 if I try to leave or be like, 535 00:32:29,905 --> 00:32:33,445 'Uh, no, we're not going to do this, ' you know... 536 00:32:34,117 --> 00:32:35,327 how would you leave? 537 00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:38,290 Like, is there a gun hidden somewhere, 538 00:32:38,373 --> 00:32:39,962 like, he was going to pull out?" 539 00:32:42,042 --> 00:32:44,673 As a young girl, you just do... 540 00:32:44,753 --> 00:32:49,013 Because he's an adult, you just do what someone asks you to do. 541 00:32:50,343 --> 00:32:54,262 And then he sort of grabbed my thighs, and he was... 542 00:32:55,306 --> 00:32:57,516 jacking himself off at the same time. 543 00:32:59,477 --> 00:33:02,606 He just tried, like, rubbing me down there. 544 00:33:03,397 --> 00:33:04,397 Okay. 545 00:33:06,067 --> 00:33:07,567 And... 546 00:33:08,361 --> 00:33:13,371 th... that was where I started freaking out completely. 547 00:33:13,449 --> 00:33:16,239 I was like... "Okay, okay... 548 00:33:16,326 --> 00:33:18,326 Can we just get this over with? 549 00:33:18,788 --> 00:33:22,917 This is just so unreal. This is not happening." 550 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,010 He just looked like a scary sicko 551 00:33:27,505 --> 00:33:28,964 in my mind, like... 552 00:33:31,174 --> 00:33:32,924 He just looked like... 553 00:33:33,635 --> 00:33:37,766 I just still have the vision of his face. 554 00:33:39,099 --> 00:33:43,309 I backed away, and I said, "Well, I don't know if I should do that." 555 00:33:43,938 --> 00:33:45,057 And I freaked. 556 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,279 I was very hesitant and so scared. 557 00:33:48,817 --> 00:33:51,238 As I told you before and I explained to your mom, 558 00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,240 what he did was wrong, okay? 559 00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:56,029 Okay. -Um... 560 00:33:57,451 --> 00:34:00,461 I want to reassure you on that, okay? 561 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,299 When he was done, 562 00:34:07,377 --> 00:34:12,217 he wrapped himself up in a towel, and he said, "There's 200 for you. 563 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:14,340 I would really like to see you again." 564 00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:15,887 And I was like... 565 00:34:15,969 --> 00:34:18,639 "Okay, okay." In the back of my mind, I was like, 566 00:34:18,722 --> 00:34:23,193 "I am not ever coming back here ever again." 567 00:34:23,268 --> 00:34:25,309 And I just went downstairs, 568 00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:29,358 and I felt so used. 569 00:34:29,442 --> 00:34:35,362 I felt so used, like it was... I was just like this dirty person. 570 00:34:37,574 --> 00:34:40,824 Before Epstein, I was... 571 00:34:44,248 --> 00:34:45,577 I was... 572 00:34:48,753 --> 00:34:49,753 I was... 573 00:34:50,670 --> 00:34:52,590 something else. 574 00:35:00,722 --> 00:35:03,313 The way I saw myself... 575 00:35:03,391 --> 00:35:04,981 a long time ago... 576 00:35:05,728 --> 00:35:07,108 I was, like... 577 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:08,478 like this flower. 578 00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:14,322 A flower that was, like, opening up. 579 00:35:15,362 --> 00:35:18,242 And afterwards, it was... 580 00:35:18,324 --> 00:35:21,704 like somebody just... 581 00:35:22,829 --> 00:35:24,958 picked up that flower... 582 00:35:25,164 --> 00:35:30,344 plucked it from its roots, and stomped on it and smashed it. 583 00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,125 I know this is difficult for you, 584 00:35:36,217 --> 00:35:39,007 and I know it was difficult for you to talk to me today. 585 00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:42,467 Is there anything else you'd like to add to this statement? 586 00:35:42,556 --> 00:35:43,556 No. 587 00:35:43,974 --> 00:35:45,804 Okay. Then I conclude this statement. 588 00:35:45,893 --> 00:35:48,353 The time on my watch is 5:25 p. m. 589 00:35:58,447 --> 00:36:00,907 Many of the girls were brought across the bridge 590 00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,411 from the mainland, which is West Palm Beach. 591 00:36:03,827 --> 00:36:06,748 And it's a whole different world when you cross the bridges. 592 00:36:09,541 --> 00:36:11,461 Parts of West Palm Beach are like 593 00:36:11,543 --> 00:36:14,423 a lot of other communities along the Gold Coast where it's working class. 594 00:36:15,338 --> 00:36:17,588 It's not necessarily high end at all. 595 00:36:19,092 --> 00:36:20,092 It's a real world. 596 00:36:20,552 --> 00:36:24,523 To think what it must have been like to come from modest means, 597 00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,438 and in some cases broken homes, troubled homes. 598 00:36:28,768 --> 00:36:30,858 Palm Beach is like Oz. 599 00:36:30,938 --> 00:36:34,898 If you live in West Palm, that's just not a world you experience. 600 00:36:40,739 --> 00:36:44,329 My name is Shawna Rivera. This is the house that I grew up in. 601 00:36:47,121 --> 00:36:49,291 This is where usually we would sit out here. 602 00:36:49,373 --> 00:36:52,543 We had a big�hammock on the patio. 603 00:36:53,126 --> 00:36:54,836 This room was my room. 604 00:36:55,545 --> 00:37:00,465 The time that I first met Jeff, my girlfriend came over here to, um... 605 00:37:01,260 --> 00:37:03,800 to take me with her to Jeff's, right? 606 00:37:04,222 --> 00:37:06,391 Like right after this street here... 607 00:37:07,266 --> 00:37:10,306 there's a trailer park, there's a canal and then there's a trailer park, 608 00:37:10,393 --> 00:37:12,523 and so she walked over here... 609 00:37:13,146 --> 00:37:14,817 and convinced me to go with her. 610 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:19,822 I didn't have a good childhood. 611 00:37:21,447 --> 00:37:24,867 I was a runaway for two years. 612 00:37:26,786 --> 00:37:30,036 My mom used drugs pretty heavily most of my life. 613 00:37:30,956 --> 00:37:33,416 My dad went to prison when I was three. 614 00:37:34,710 --> 00:37:37,760 And when I was ten, my dad got out of prison. 615 00:37:38,797 --> 00:37:43,137 At some point, my dad had a girlfriend... 616 00:37:43,927 --> 00:37:45,257 who had some kids, 617 00:37:45,346 --> 00:37:49,175 and the kids had clearly been abused prior to this. 618 00:37:49,684 --> 00:37:55,443 And I would say it was like a week or so after my 12th birthday, 619 00:37:55,523 --> 00:38:00,032 my dad and his girlfriend beat her son, her eight-year-old son, to death... 620 00:38:00,110 --> 00:38:01,740 Um... 621 00:38:01,820 --> 00:38:02,820 In front of me. 622 00:38:03,655 --> 00:38:06,326 And so I, um... 623 00:38:07,034 --> 00:38:09,043 ran away from home. 624 00:38:10,288 --> 00:38:12,577 I lived in, like, shelter homes. 625 00:38:13,373 --> 00:38:16,423 Finally, my grandma was able to get custody of me. 626 00:38:17,420 --> 00:38:20,550 I was 14 years old when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 627 00:38:24,302 --> 00:38:28,262 My girlfriend, she's like, "Shawna, I'm going to this guy's house. 628 00:38:28,764 --> 00:38:33,143 I can't go by myself. I just can't do it. I just need you to come with me." 629 00:38:33,226 --> 00:38:35,347 I was just like, "All right. Fine." 630 00:38:36,563 --> 00:38:40,074 I didn't know what was going to happen. I just went along with it. 631 00:38:43,195 --> 00:38:47,655 Once you get over the bridge into Palm Beach, you see yachts 632 00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,791 and all these huge mansions. 633 00:38:51,202 --> 00:38:52,202 This is like 634 00:38:52,704 --> 00:38:55,244 not something I'm familiar with. 635 00:38:58,043 --> 00:39:01,713 We walk into the back, and there's this girl. 636 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:02,880 She's young 637 00:39:03,382 --> 00:39:05,472 with an accent. I don't know her. 638 00:39:05,550 --> 00:39:08,721 She's familiar with my friend. "Hi. Hi. Hi." 639 00:39:10,181 --> 00:39:11,891 We walk into this room, 640 00:39:12,307 --> 00:39:13,807 and this dude walked in. 641 00:39:14,434 --> 00:39:16,724 I remember thinking he was kind of rude. 642 00:39:16,896 --> 00:39:18,226 He says, "Oh, hey. Hi." 643 00:39:18,313 --> 00:39:19,483 He's, like, on the phone, 644 00:39:20,148 --> 00:39:21,568 and he, like, lays down. 645 00:39:22,150 --> 00:39:26,201 So then my girlfriend tells me, "We're just going to give him a massage." 646 00:39:26,905 --> 00:39:30,326 And she said, "Oh, well, we have to take our clothes off." 647 00:39:31,827 --> 00:39:32,827 And I'm like... 648 00:39:34,871 --> 00:39:36,331 "I have to take my clothes off?" 649 00:39:36,414 --> 00:39:38,824 And she says, "Yeah, we have... We both... 650 00:39:39,085 --> 00:39:41,744 We both have to take our clothes off. All of them." 651 00:39:43,297 --> 00:39:45,876 So you have me and my 14-year-old girlfriend 652 00:39:45,965 --> 00:39:49,465 totally naked, and I'm giving this old man a massage. 653 00:39:50,846 --> 00:39:53,465 But then my girlfriend says, "Well, I'm going to go." 654 00:39:53,807 --> 00:39:57,728 And I'm like, "What the fuck are you doing leaving me here?" Like, "Why?" 655 00:39:57,811 --> 00:40:00,192 I couldn't believe she was walking out of there. 656 00:40:01,940 --> 00:40:04,820 Then this guy, he asked me how old I was... 657 00:40:05,610 --> 00:40:09,871 and I remember telling him that I was 15 years old, 658 00:40:09,949 --> 00:40:12,829 and I was actually 14 years old. 659 00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:15,326 That didn't scare him. 660 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:19,422 It was kind of, like, "Oh, okay. You're 15. Okay." 661 00:40:20,083 --> 00:40:22,094 Then he turned over... 662 00:40:22,168 --> 00:40:25,668 and he wanted me to rub the lotion 663 00:40:25,755 --> 00:40:29,425 that we were using, like, all over his chest. 664 00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:32,559 And he told me to just grab his nipples 665 00:40:32,847 --> 00:40:36,726 and squeeze and pinch as hard as I could. 666 00:40:37,726 --> 00:40:39,056 And I just, like, 667 00:40:39,144 --> 00:40:41,804 I just remember standing there and just being, like... 668 00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:45,275 "What is going on? This is so weird." 669 00:40:45,358 --> 00:40:49,608 I just couldn't wrap my head around it. I was like, "What the fuck is this?" 670 00:40:50,030 --> 00:40:51,780 I'm 14 years old. 671 00:40:52,490 --> 00:40:54,030 I'm a virgin. 672 00:40:56,077 --> 00:40:58,827 It just went on like that for a couple of minutes, 673 00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,083 and he finished... 674 00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,090 and there was money sitting there. 675 00:41:03,168 --> 00:41:05,378 He told me to go ahead and pick up the money. 676 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,092 So I just got dressed, and I walked out and left. 677 00:41:08,965 --> 00:41:10,215 I was so embarrassed. 678 00:41:10,592 --> 00:41:14,222 I didn't know how to say, like, "No, I don't... I don't want to do that." 679 00:41:19,976 --> 00:41:24,056 I don't know how long it was after the first time I had gone over there... 680 00:41:25,231 --> 00:41:29,492 but I... one day, I got a phone call at my house. 681 00:41:30,362 --> 00:41:33,121 They called me a cab to take me to Jeff's. 682 00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:38,998 There was no explanation. There was just, "Take the cab to Jeff's." 683 00:41:43,375 --> 00:41:46,244 I assumed if I went back... 684 00:41:46,878 --> 00:41:48,088 I would get more money. 685 00:41:50,132 --> 00:41:52,262 I mean, I didn't have any money. 686 00:41:52,510 --> 00:41:54,389 I didn't have a family like that. 687 00:41:56,347 --> 00:41:57,347 I just... 688 00:41:58,431 --> 00:42:00,851 didn't know how to handle it, you know. 689 00:42:00,934 --> 00:42:03,594 So, I think I kind of went into this kind of like... 690 00:42:04,355 --> 00:42:07,815 pilot mode kind of situation, where I just... 691 00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:13,320 tried to, like, get through it and just go home. 692 00:42:15,824 --> 00:42:18,494 I couldn't say, "This isn't right." 693 00:42:18,661 --> 00:42:21,460 I couldn't say, "This isn't normal." 694 00:42:21,539 --> 00:42:24,079 I couldn't say, like, "This is a sick man." 695 00:42:24,750 --> 00:42:27,630 And it was probably for like three or four years 696 00:42:27,710 --> 00:42:29,050 I continued to go. 697 00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:41,481 I'm an educational psychologist and mental health counselor. 698 00:42:41,934 --> 00:42:45,443 I've worked with many victims of sexual trauma. 699 00:42:45,521 --> 00:42:50,940 And the first thought that I had when reading about the Jeffrey Epstein... case 700 00:42:51,025 --> 00:42:54,695 is that he targeted girls that were so vulnerable. 701 00:42:55,155 --> 00:42:59,405 Um, and this is something that most sexual predators do. 702 00:42:59,952 --> 00:43:04,461 The first step in the grooming process is spotting a vulnerable victim, 703 00:43:04,539 --> 00:43:07,289 someone who is financially disadvantaged 704 00:43:07,501 --> 00:43:11,300 or that already have some sexual trauma in their past. 705 00:43:11,838 --> 00:43:17,389 Sexual predators like Jeffrey Epstein have an eye for picking out someone 706 00:43:17,469 --> 00:43:19,429 who is in need of something, 707 00:43:19,887 --> 00:43:23,307 and they identify that need, and then they exploit it. 708 00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:26,773 When you're pairing a teenage girl 709 00:43:27,313 --> 00:43:31,693 with a brilliant, narcissistic billionaire, 710 00:43:31,775 --> 00:43:35,235 their adolescent brain was not equipped 711 00:43:35,612 --> 00:43:39,072 to understand or react to what was happening. 712 00:43:46,581 --> 00:43:50,461 We were frustrated that, while some people were cooperative, 713 00:43:51,128 --> 00:43:55,588 most of the victims did not want to prosecute for fear of Jeffrey Epstein. 714 00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:58,929 They knew that Mr. Epstein was 715 00:43:59,010 --> 00:44:02,601 a powerful, influential, very wealthy person. 716 00:44:02,681 --> 00:44:04,181 So they were very reluctant. 717 00:44:05,184 --> 00:44:08,903 And so we decided to talk to some of his employees. 718 00:44:11,981 --> 00:44:14,822 Good morning, Mr. Alessi? -Yes, speaking. 719 00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:17,952 Hi. This is Detective Joe Recarey with Palm Beach Police. 720 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:21,909 I'm investigating a case against, uh, a former employer of yours, 721 00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:22,992 Jeffrey Epstein. 722 00:44:24,244 --> 00:44:25,503 This is something 723 00:44:25,579 --> 00:44:27,829 that I really would not like to be involved, 724 00:44:27,914 --> 00:44:30,164 if I'm not involved with it. -I understand that, 725 00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:33,840 but you may hold some information which would assist me in this case. 726 00:44:35,338 --> 00:44:38,179 But I don't want to get in trouble or... 727 00:44:38,467 --> 00:44:42,387 I don't want to get sued by Mr. Epstein or by his company. 728 00:44:44,472 --> 00:44:46,682 You are Alfredo Rodriguez, correct? 729 00:44:46,766 --> 00:44:48,887 Yes, that's me. -Okay. 730 00:44:48,976 --> 00:44:52,146 I just wanted to touch base with a case that I'm investigating 731 00:44:52,731 --> 00:44:53,860 involving Mr. Epstein. 732 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:55,400 Okay. 733 00:44:56,318 --> 00:44:58,777 My main concern, obviously, is 734 00:44:59,195 --> 00:45:01,275 the girls that come over to work for him. 735 00:45:02,657 --> 00:45:03,657 Okay. 736 00:45:04,076 --> 00:45:05,695 What can you tell me about that? 737 00:45:05,786 --> 00:45:07,706 He has a lot of masseuses. 738 00:45:07,788 --> 00:45:12,288 He has a list of favorite, uh... female personnel 739 00:45:12,376 --> 00:45:13,835 to give him massage, you know. 740 00:45:13,918 --> 00:45:16,548 So he gets massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon. 741 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:18,380 They were very private, sir, you know. 742 00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:22,755 So I didn't know what went on behind closed doors. 743 00:45:22,844 --> 00:45:25,255 It was my job to keep everything discreet. 744 00:45:25,347 --> 00:45:26,347 So... 745 00:45:26,806 --> 00:45:28,726 Would you say these girls were young? 746 00:45:29,684 --> 00:45:30,885 Um... 747 00:45:31,936 --> 00:45:34,056 Oof, you put me on the spot, sir. 748 00:45:40,487 --> 00:45:43,067 Every part of this case was an uphill battle. 749 00:45:43,782 --> 00:45:46,032 His employees didn't want to cooperate, 750 00:45:46,869 --> 00:45:49,329 so we went through the trash at his home. 751 00:45:50,246 --> 00:45:52,746 In one case, we found a school report card 752 00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,543 for one of the victims. 753 00:45:56,170 --> 00:46:00,340 And in another case, we learned that he sent a messenger 754 00:46:01,090 --> 00:46:04,641 to the school to provide flowers to the victim 755 00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,260 who had been part of a performance there. 756 00:46:09,182 --> 00:46:11,983 West Palm Beach has dozens of high schools 757 00:46:12,059 --> 00:46:13,849 and middle schools. 758 00:46:13,936 --> 00:46:17,067 Thousands and thousands of kids. Some private schools out there. 759 00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:21,900 All these schools became a hunting ground for this predator. 760 00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:30,871 I think at 16, 17, when you're in high school, 761 00:46:30,954 --> 00:46:32,503 I think we're all vulnerable. 762 00:46:34,041 --> 00:46:37,541 This is Royal Palm Beach High School. This is where we went to high school. 763 00:46:37,628 --> 00:46:39,378 Not the happiest moment in my life. 764 00:46:41,255 --> 00:46:45,505 My name is Haley Robson, and I was 16 when I met Jeffrey Epstein. 765 00:46:46,929 --> 00:46:50,389 Growing up in West Palm Beach, I had a big family, lots of cousins. 766 00:46:50,474 --> 00:46:51,684 I have two sisters. 767 00:46:52,476 --> 00:46:56,056 My dad was a police officer. My mom worked in banking. 768 00:46:57,523 --> 00:46:58,773 I love horses. 769 00:46:59,315 --> 00:47:01,525 I started riding when I was 11. 770 00:47:02,110 --> 00:47:04,070 Couple years later, I got competitive. 771 00:47:04,445 --> 00:47:07,445 This was probably the most happy time of my life. 772 00:47:09,326 --> 00:47:11,576 But I had gone through a traumatic experience 773 00:47:11,661 --> 00:47:13,161 before I met Jeffrey Epstein. 774 00:47:13,871 --> 00:47:16,001 The summer before I turned 16, 775 00:47:16,416 --> 00:47:17,286 I was raped. 776 00:47:17,376 --> 00:47:20,416 It was my first experience with a man. 777 00:47:21,380 --> 00:47:22,590 He was 21. 778 00:47:22,672 --> 00:47:24,512 I just closed up. 779 00:47:25,092 --> 00:47:30,512 Um... I started using drugs. I was drinking all the time, smoking weed. 780 00:47:31,556 --> 00:47:34,347 I just kind of wanted to just vanish, just disappear. 781 00:47:37,728 --> 00:47:39,978 The girl that introduced me to Jeffrey Epstein 782 00:47:40,481 --> 00:47:41,902 went to High School with me. 783 00:47:42,733 --> 00:47:47,454 She said, "I know this guy and he would give me $200 just to give him a massage." 784 00:47:48,489 --> 00:47:51,829 And my first immediate reaction or thought that came to my mind was 785 00:47:51,909 --> 00:47:54,150 "This is my ticket out of West Palm. This is my way out." 786 00:47:55,998 --> 00:47:58,628 We drove to Palm Beach island... 787 00:48:00,793 --> 00:48:04,264 and we actually walked in... It wasn't the front door. 788 00:48:04,338 --> 00:48:07,509 It was almost like this side door that led into the kitchen. 789 00:48:09,802 --> 00:48:13,143 I remember we walked up a flight of stairs that kind of curved. 790 00:48:13,724 --> 00:48:17,063 And the first thing that I noticed, because it was so distracting, 791 00:48:17,143 --> 00:48:18,143 was the wall art. 792 00:48:20,271 --> 00:48:21,731 A lot of nudity. 793 00:48:22,648 --> 00:48:24,858 Naked statues, naked pictures. 794 00:48:25,610 --> 00:48:27,240 It made me feel uncomfortable... 795 00:48:27,987 --> 00:48:30,527 and then I saw, like, a photograph of kids. 796 00:48:31,532 --> 00:48:32,663 It wasn't normal. 797 00:48:35,286 --> 00:48:37,577 The massage began as a massage, 798 00:48:38,039 --> 00:48:39,210 then he turned over. 799 00:48:40,125 --> 00:48:41,585 He was naked on the table. 800 00:48:42,460 --> 00:48:45,340 And I just remember feeling really scared. 801 00:48:46,547 --> 00:48:48,257 It just brought up a lot of bad... 802 00:48:48,759 --> 00:48:49,838 emotions. 803 00:48:51,929 --> 00:48:52,969 Did he touch you? 804 00:48:53,054 --> 00:48:55,715 Yeah, in inappropriate places. 805 00:48:56,849 --> 00:48:58,099 Does he use his hands? 806 00:48:58,184 --> 00:49:02,054 He uses his hand, and I guess it's like a vibrator. 807 00:49:02,688 --> 00:49:03,688 But, um... 808 00:49:04,523 --> 00:49:06,233 I refused to do that. 809 00:49:08,402 --> 00:49:10,992 He tried to touch me below the belt. 810 00:49:12,490 --> 00:49:13,740 I declined. 811 00:49:13,824 --> 00:49:17,655 Um, I told him I didn't feel comfortable. "No, it's not going to happen." 812 00:49:17,996 --> 00:49:21,416 At that moment, he was offering me, 813 00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:24,289 "Okay. Well, this isn't going to happen, so... 814 00:49:24,710 --> 00:49:26,170 just if you have any friends, 815 00:49:26,253 --> 00:49:28,844 if you bring them to me, I'll give you $200." 816 00:49:29,465 --> 00:49:31,585 Just to bring a girl? -Yeah. 817 00:49:31,677 --> 00:49:34,347 The girl that was going knew she would have to massage him. 818 00:49:34,429 --> 00:49:35,599 She knew everything. 819 00:49:36,722 --> 00:49:38,682 How long have you been working for him? 820 00:49:38,766 --> 00:49:40,637 I probably worked for him for a year. 821 00:49:42,396 --> 00:49:43,806 I probably recruited... 822 00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:46,440 maybe 24 girls. 823 00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:49,697 Those girls brought other girls, too. 824 00:49:50,862 --> 00:49:53,202 Okay. -So, it's like a train. 825 00:49:53,614 --> 00:49:55,025 Who else was underage? 826 00:49:56,034 --> 00:49:57,034 Under 18? 827 00:49:57,619 --> 00:49:59,039 All of them. -All of them? 828 00:49:59,121 --> 00:50:00,121 All of them. 829 00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:03,666 I would recruit girls that were friends. 830 00:50:04,126 --> 00:50:05,835 I would just casually bring it up. 831 00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:09,164 And we would drive together to his house. 832 00:50:10,590 --> 00:50:13,800 I would take them to the room. And then I would walk out. 833 00:50:14,469 --> 00:50:16,719 Sometimes I would wait out by the pool. 834 00:50:17,431 --> 00:50:20,931 When the girls would leave, Jeffrey would come outside to pay me. 835 00:50:22,436 --> 00:50:26,436 He would say, you know, "How are you? How is everything? How's your family?" 836 00:50:26,523 --> 00:50:29,822 He wanted you to think he was a friend and that he cared. 837 00:50:32,570 --> 00:50:34,951 All right, I talked to my boss for a little bit. 838 00:50:35,322 --> 00:50:37,123 Which is why I'm here. -Okay. 839 00:50:37,367 --> 00:50:38,697 Um... 840 00:50:39,911 --> 00:50:42,911 At this point, you've clearly implicated yourself in a crime. 841 00:50:42,998 --> 00:50:45,918 Okay? You've taken girls to somebody's house 842 00:50:46,001 --> 00:50:47,670 for the purpose of prostitution. 843 00:50:47,753 --> 00:50:51,302 More importantly, and more significantly, one of those girls was 14 at the time. 844 00:50:51,380 --> 00:50:54,630 Okay? Now that's a pretty significant second-degree felony. 845 00:50:56,887 --> 00:51:01,556 I remember them being really tough on me, and I think at one point I started crying. 846 00:51:01,849 --> 00:51:03,980 And I remember feeling really scared. 847 00:51:04,061 --> 00:51:08,440 And they treated me like I was his right-hand man. 848 00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,193 But what about the girl that recruited me? 849 00:51:12,277 --> 00:51:15,856 What happened to her? What about the girl that recruited the girl that recruited me? 850 00:51:17,865 --> 00:51:21,036 I feel like I've been putting the blame on myself for so long, 851 00:51:21,786 --> 00:51:24,956 bashing myself, and just being hard on myself, 852 00:51:25,706 --> 00:51:29,036 but I shouldn't feel guilty about it because I was 16... 853 00:51:29,628 --> 00:51:30,838 and he's the adult, 854 00:51:31,505 --> 00:51:33,164 and he should not... 855 00:51:33,965 --> 00:51:35,375 make me feel... 856 00:51:36,217 --> 00:51:37,217 guilty. 857 00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:41,222 I've never said... Never ever come forward like this. 858 00:51:42,306 --> 00:51:45,056 It just, like, brings up, like, so many emotions. 859 00:51:51,690 --> 00:51:54,860 The girls that are recruiting the other girls 860 00:51:54,945 --> 00:51:58,525 are definitely victims of Jeffrey Epstein. 861 00:51:59,282 --> 00:52:01,992 They were manipulated in a unique way. 862 00:52:03,494 --> 00:52:06,954 They were made to feel special, 863 00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:11,340 and they were also offered opportunities 864 00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:16,760 that could get them out of their life�circumstances. 865 00:52:16,842 --> 00:52:20,891 And the added bonus that they didn't have to do anything sexual 866 00:52:20,971 --> 00:52:22,641 with this middle-aged man. 867 00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:29,559 This is how Jeffrey Epstein created a sexual pyramid scheme. 868 00:52:37,237 --> 00:52:39,567 After months of our investigation, 869 00:52:39,655 --> 00:52:44,115 we realized that this was a way of life for Mr. Epstein, 870 00:52:44,994 --> 00:52:48,494 and I believe he felt that he would never be caught. 871 00:52:50,333 --> 00:52:55,552 And so it was very important for us to get inside�of Mr. Epstein's home, 872 00:52:55,630 --> 00:52:58,760 because we wanted to see if there was additional evidence 873 00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:02,851 and to validate the information given to us by the victims. 874 00:53:05,014 --> 00:53:06,514 But we had to be very careful. 875 00:53:06,849 --> 00:53:11,269 We did not want to reveal to Mr. Epstein that he was being investigated 876 00:53:11,353 --> 00:53:13,483 until we had an airtight case. 877 00:53:14,983 --> 00:53:17,322 Finally, seven months into the case, 878 00:53:17,652 --> 00:53:21,452 we felt as though that was the time to execute the search warrant. 879 00:53:26,827 --> 00:53:29,918 This is a complete description of the residence desired to be searched, 880 00:53:29,998 --> 00:53:32,077 including the curtilage attached thereof. 881 00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:36,172 I will leave a list of what items we're taking. 882 00:53:39,048 --> 00:53:44,679 We were extremely surprised at what we found inside Epstein's house. 883 00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,679 Preuzeto sa www.titlovi.com 72395

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