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WOOD: There are timesin the life of a civilisation
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when history seems to burstwith possibilities.
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That's India in the 2 1 st century.
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This is the taleof the British occupation of India,
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the winning of freedomand the establishment of democracy,
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and with them all the possibilitiesof a hitherto undreamed of future.
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What do you want to be
when you grow up and leave the school?
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When I grow up
I will be a commercial pilot.
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Commercial pilot?
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-Doctor.
-WOOD: A doctor.
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I want to be a captain in the navy.
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-A captain in the navy?
-Yes.
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Archaeologist!
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-An archaeologist?
-Yeah!
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-Fantastic.
-I want to be a movie director.
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(LAUGHING) A movie director! Fantastic.
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The next chapter in the story of India.
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The coast of South India.
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In the 1 8th century,the British thought this
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the richest place in the world.
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And here a chain of events began
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that would lead to a small island5,000 miles away
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coming to rule a vast empire in India,
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and in the process,giving birth to the modern world.
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The tale of India's last invader,the British, is a chain of accidents.
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As so often in history,
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events that need never have happenedin the way that they did,
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except perhaps for some destinywritten deep in India's own past.
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Here in Tanjorein the late 1 8th century,
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the armiesof the British East India Company
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imposed their rule on a civilisationthat had come down from ancient times,
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still with own distinctive visionof the world.
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At that time, while the Moghulsstill ruled in the north,
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South India was dividedbetween many princely states,
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but history was on the move.
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The 1 8th century rajas of Tanjore,men like Serfoji,
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were importing European knowledge.
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And in their library here,along with 50,000 Indian manuscripts,
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are books in English, French,Italian and Latin.
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MAN: They are both on palm leaf
and paper. 25,000 in paper...
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Even without the British,
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India would still have takenthe path to modernity.
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WOOD: Wow, fantastic.
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So he was interested in
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-combining Indian and European?
-Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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That's fascinating.
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Samuel Johnson's dictionary.
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(CHUCKLING)
Samuel Johnson's dictionary. Fantastic.
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The first great dictionary
of the English language,
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and here it is in the court
of 1 8th century Tanjore.
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The very moment of the British
taking over in India, this kind of,
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almost like a renaissance culture
is taking place.
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This library, when you think about it,
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is as old as
the Bodleian Library in Oxford,
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older by far than any library
in the United States.
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And maybe that's the hallmark
of all great civilisations,
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that they have the ability
to conserve their own genius,
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but to bring in the discoveries
of other civilisations
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and incorporate them, and India has
always had the ability to do that,
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just as it does today.
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So these are medical textbooks
from Europe?
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365 medical books,
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collected from London,
printed in London and Edinburgh.
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The present raja told memore about his ancestor, Serfoji.
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He had a very deep
interest in medicine also.
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You can see here...
Even it's fascinating to know
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that he has imported
a human skeleton from London.
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He want his doctors to be taughtabout the anatomy.
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He was beyond times.
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He knew what's going around the world.
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He was into...
He's a polyglot and polymath.
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-So...
-He spoke English, I gather?
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He spoke several languages.
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So all this time, Tanjore was under the
rule of the British, is that correct?
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Yeah. Actually, what happened,
he had to...
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He was forced to undergo
a treaty with the British
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from 1 798 onwards,
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he was relieved of his powers
from maintaining his territory.
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These events were all partof the global confrontation
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between the British and the Frenchin the 1 8th century.
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With Mogul power shrinkingin North India,
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the south becamethe theatre of war for the Europeans.
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The same year General Wolfelay dying in Quebec,
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the British and the French were fightingalong the Coromandel Coast,
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and the Tamilsfound themselves in the line of fire.
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The key to the nascent British Empirewas the new fort of Madras.
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WOMAN: This wasthe beginning of the Empire because
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this is here where they first decidedthat they'll have a fort of their own.
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A place, a trading station of their own.
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When the British first came
and landed only at Surat,
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and when they were not able to compete
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either with the Dutch or the Portuguese
on the western coast,
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they shifted towards the east.
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They came to Pulicat,
from Pulicat they shifted to Armagon.
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From Armagon they came to Madras.
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And this is where they found
what they wanted.
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Right. So what were they trading
first of all here in South India?
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They were trading here
only muslin cloth.
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Muslin cloth? At that time
this was a peaceful exchange?
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Yeah, that time it was peaceful.
By about 1 650, 1 660,
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the Dutch, the Danish,
the Portuguese, all of them
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become subservient to the powers
of the British and the French.
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Now, these are European powers
competing for empire internationally,
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but here in South India this becomes
a focus for their rivalries.
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Every time there is some sort of
a difference of opinion
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or altercation in Europe
between the French and the English,
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what shall we say,
that is very clearly reflected
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in the South India also.
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WOOD: It was a time of war
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as European armies trekkedback and forth across South India.
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In the towns of the old Cholan heartlandthe dead lay unburied in the streets.
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The great Tamil temple enclosureswere turned into forts and prison camps,
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as columns of famine-stricken refugeesfled the fighting.
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When you read British accounts
of these wars in the late 1 8th century,
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you get, actually,
a very horrifying impression
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of armies of British and French
criss-crossing the Tamil land.
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Terrible massacres are taking place
of the kind that we see today
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-in Darfur or Iraq almost.
-Yes, yes.
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I mean, thousands of Tamils were killed.
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It must have been a terrible time
in the south.
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It must have been.
The first form of uprising
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starts only in this part of the country.
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The first uprising against the British.
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Against the British.
Of course, it's all local.
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It is not, you know,
it's nothing organised.
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I won't call it a fight for freedom,
but they are rebelling
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against certain norms
which have been forced upon them.
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The British victory in South Indiacame in 1 799
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at the Battle of Seringapatam,
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where an East India Company armyoverwhelmed the Muslim Sultan of Mysore.
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And back in Londonin the British Library,
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the archive of the East India Companyreveals the secret story
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in the letters of the British commander,Richard Wellesley,
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the Governor General of India.
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Here even written in cipher.
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Here's the crucial part.
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''Seringapatam I shall retain
in full sovereignty for the company,
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''being a tower of strength
from which we may at any time
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''strike Hindustan to its centre.''
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And he adds, ''I shall not
at present enlarge upon the advantages
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''which are likely to be derived
to the British interests from this,
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''for they are too obvious
to require any detailed explanation.''
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But for the company, the warwas not just about power but profit.
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And also in the archive here,
the profit and loss,
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the balance sheets
of the East India Company.
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This was what it was all about.
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The crucial turning point
in the finances of the company,
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1 799, after the great battles
in South India at Seringapatam.
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Company revenues,
eight and a half million pounds.
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Four years later, 1 803,
thirteen and a half million pounds.
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That's getting on for
three quarters of a billion pounds
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in modern spending money.
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Previous invaders of Indiahad come by land through the Khyber Pass
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but the British came by sea,establishing bases around the coast.
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And in Bengal, the British had extortedthe right to raise taxes
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from the enfeebled Moghuls.
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And here in Calcutta, they beganto develop a classic colonial economy.
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Sailing into Calcutta
in the 1 8th century
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you were entering
the hub of an operation
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which spread its power and influence
across half the world.
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Opium being processed here in warehousesto be sailed off to China.
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Textiles being processed to go intonorthern India and across to Europe.
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A network that controlled
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hundreds of thousands of skilled
workers, weavers, dyers and washers.
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The forerunner of
those modern multinationals,
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who, backed by state power,
make their billions
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and wield power of life and death
over great swathes of the world.
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In later times, the Britishliked to say, disingenuously,
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that they'd gained their empirein a fit of absent-mindedness.
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But there was nothing absent-minded
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about the ruthless waythey pursued the imperative of profit.
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And in the late 1 8th century,
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driven by the Industrial Revolutionback in Britain,
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Bengal became a mainstayof British imperialism.
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The magnificent1 8th century cemetery in Calcutta
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tells another side of the story.
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Many of the British here,some of them all too short-lived,
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fell in love with India.
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A third of all the British menwho came to work for the company
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married Indian women and left moneyand property to their beloved bibis.
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Why are you going to the trouble
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of conserving something
from the British past?
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Because it is our moral duty,
not only just to revive its own glory,
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but to provide, too,
so that people can come here,
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and have a look and enjoy.
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BANDOPADHYAY: How can youignore it? It is a part of history.
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-WOOD: Relevant to India today?-Yeah, relevant to India, you can see.
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The British also gave us
a complete map of India.
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The Britishers gave you
a complete map of India?
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Map of India. United, a complete map.
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Prior to the Britishers,
what happened, actually,
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India was divided into several
small countries, different like that.
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-They are all united.
-So, do you think
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without the British, India may never
have been united as India?
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Yeah, that is true 1 00%.
I fully agree with you.
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(LAUGHING) Really?
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You're making me feel better
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-about being an imperialist!
-No, it's absolutely correct.
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And that map wasnot only physical but mental,
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an idea of India.
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For it was the British who beganthe recovery of the ancient Indian past.
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Orientalists like James Prinsepand William Jones
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learned India's languages.
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''I love India more than myown country, ''said Warren Hastings.
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They founded the Asiatic Society here,conscious that India was a far older
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and richer civilisation than their own.
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And as one of them said,''Wealth is not the only
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''or the most valuable commodity Indiahas to offer Britain
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''and the world. ''
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MAN: The early orientalists
who came to India,
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they wanted to know what was
happening in this new place.
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William Jones, Hestrie Colebrook
and a whole host of others,
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they took India seriously.
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So they went,
sat with the Brahmin pundits
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and tried to understand
Sanskritic texts and so on.
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PANDIAN: People are, you know,nostalgically looking back
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to a world which they have lost.
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To look for the lost world in the East.
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-And they found it in India?
-They found it in India.
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WOOD: Some East India Company officers
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were accused of thinking moreof Hinduism than Christianity
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and more of the Koran than the Bible.
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There's even a tomb in Park StreetCemetery covered with Hindu deities.
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It's the tomb of
one of the most interesting characters
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from British India,
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Major General Charles Stuart.
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His love of things Indian earned him
the nickname ''Hindoo'' Stuart.
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He was here for 50 years,
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used to go down to the Ganges
to bathe every day,
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wore Indian clothes off-duty
and even worshipped Hindu gods.
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Perhaps his most characteristic
attempt at cross-cultural dialogue
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was to try to persuade
the British ladies of Calcutta,
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the memsahibs,
to throw off their whalebone corsets
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and their iron dress hoops
and wear the sari.
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''The sari, '' wrote Stuart,''is the most alluring dress in the world
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''and the women of Hindustanenchanting in their beauty. ''
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In his book,
The Vindication of the Hindoos,
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Stuart spoke of the greatnessof Indian civilisation
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and the need for the Britishto understand it.
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''Hinduism, ''said Stuart,
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''little needs the ameliorating handof Christianity to render its votaries
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''a correct and moral peoplein a civilised society. ''
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''On the contrary, ''he said,''the glorious scriptures of the Hindus
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''were written when our own ancestorswere savages in the forests. ''
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The British were particularly attracted
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to the mixed Hindu-Muslimculture in the Ganges Plain,
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a legacy of the daysof the great Moghuls like Akbar
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who had tried to bringthe two communities together.
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WOOD: Oh, wow! They're so...
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Oh, look at this.
So what are these documents?
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(SPEAKING HINDI)
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WOOD: This is for Hanuman Ghari?
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-Yes, yes.
-And this is the seal of the nawab?
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These are the documents
for Muslim nawabs of Ayodhya
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giving their resources
to building a Hindu temple.
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In the Middle Ages,relations between Hindus and Muslims
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had often been marred bythe intolerant attitudes
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of some Muslim rulers.
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But accommodation under the laterMoghuls gave birth to the most seductive
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and charismatic of allIndian civilisations
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in Lucknow under the Muslim nawabs.
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And that time is still fondly rememberedin the old aristocratic houses.
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-Ah, so the family portraits.
-Yes.
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So, this is magnificent.
Who is this here?
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This is my great-grandfather,
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Amirudaula Raja, Sir.
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-Raja but Sir.
-Sir, yes.
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-So he was knighted by...
-Knighted by Queen Victoria.
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Queen Victoria! Fantastic.
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This is me.
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WOOD: With a beautiful ceremonial crown.
KHAN: Rubies, emeralds, diamonds.
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People talk about
the culture of Lucknow,
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especially the 1 8th-century period,
don't they,
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as being an extraordinary period
in Indian history.
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Why is that?
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-What does that mean?
-That is...
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Right.
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So, at that time
the two cultures here intermingled?
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Intermingled.
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That high cultureof Urdu literature and poetry
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has left its legacy acrossNorth India and Pakistan.
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And in the food, too,which has spread across the whole world.
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''The fast results in more eating.''
That's great.
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Verdict on the biryani then, everybody?
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-WOMAN: He won.
-(LAUGHING) We won.
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But everything would be changedby the great rebellion of 1 857.
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The signs had been therethe previous 30 years.
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The British more intolerant
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under the growing influenceof evangelical Christian missionaries.
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A decree replacing Persian with English
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as the languageof administration and education.
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The mutiny began over the use of cowand pig fat to grease cartridges,
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deeply offensive to bothHindu and Muslim.
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It was a stupid mistake born ofdisrespect towards the native culture.
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But it provoked a terrifying uprisingby the sepoys,
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the native troopsemployed by the British.
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This was the mosque from where,
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in the leadership
of Maulana Fazl-e Haq Khairabadi,
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around 350 alims,
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ulemas, Islamic scholars, gave the fatwa
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of jihad against
the British rulers in India.
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-Hindu and Muslim joined together.
-Together.
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All communities came together
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and I think it was
the golden period of India.
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All the communities,
without any differences,
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they were Indians at that time.
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They were following their religions
but they were fighting for one cause,
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to get the freedom of India.
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Through the sweltering summer of 1 857,
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the edifice of British power tottered
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in what the British calledthe Indian Mutiny.
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It was the greatest war of resistanceever fought against a colonial power
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in the whole ageof European imperialism.
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And new discoveriesin the archives in Delhi
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reveal the story from the rebels' side
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and their anger at the attitudeof the new breed of British officials.
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They are denigrating
traditional forms of performance,
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they're denigrating traditional texts,
they're denigrating traditional poetry.
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So there is a hectoring,
interrogating machine
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that has been set in motion 20, 25 years
before the uprising happens.
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Otherwise we just can't make sense
of the rage that bursts forth.
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And what's interesting about 1 857
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is that, certainly in Delhi, in
the documents we've been studying here
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over the last three years,
is that the expression
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of resistance in Delhi
is done in religious terms.
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The British are the people
who destroy all religions.
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What has happened to Aragon...
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WOOD: The rebel leaders, likethe Rani of Jhansi, who died fighting
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became national heroes.
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To get at them,I have to blow up the temples.
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Then blow them up.Our country above our religion.
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There is a violence that bursts forth
in a turbulent wave,
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which totally takes the English
by surprise.
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-No prisoners are taken.
-They are completely shocked by
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the kind of violence
that is manifested by the sepoys.
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And the British respond
in kind and worse.
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And they level whole cities. Delhi,
which is a city of 1 00,000 people,
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which contains around 250,000 people
at the time the British attack it,
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refugees and the sepoys and so on,
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is left a completely empty ruin.
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There is not a single human being
left in the city
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by the time
the British are finished with it.
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For the British,the most evocative place in the story
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was Lucknow, scene of the heroic defenceof their residency.
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After the victory,journalistspicked their way over the ruins
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using the new art of photographyto record the destruction.
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Though some shots of the damageand cruelty inflicted by the British
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in their frenzy of revengewere not published at the time.
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In the immediate aftermath
of the great rebellion of 1 857-8,
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European photographer, Felice Beato,
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took an amazing top shot
of the whole city.
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It's just laid out here before us,
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the great Imambara with the minarets.
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In the middle of the panorama
you can see
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the mosque of Aurangzeb
by the river there,
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painted white now.
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A British cavalry regiment
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camped just down there in the courtyard
with their tents,
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their horses grazing. And, in fact,
you can just see their washing
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by the side of the road
on a washing line.
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Those look like long johns to me.
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''We have power of life and deathin our hands, ''
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wrote one British officer,''and I assure you we spare not. ''
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Writing for the New York Daily Tribune,
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Karl Marx railed againstthe failure of the British press
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to cover British atrocities.
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''The cruelty of the sepoys, ''he said,
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''is only the reflexof England's own conduct in India.
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''The European troopshave become fiends. ''
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DALRYMPLE: In real history,things do not have sharp endings.
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Normally periods flood into each other.
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But 1 857 is a very clear
open-and-shut case.
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1 857 the East India Company ends,
the Moghuls end.
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The two principle forces
that have guided Indian history
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for the past 300 years
come to an abrupt end.
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And immediately,
you get the British Government
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imposing direct rule from London.
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Very soon after this, Disraeli goes
to Queen Victoria and says,
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''Will you be Empress of India?''
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This is the Grand Trunk Road
coming northwards from Kanpur.
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We're looking for one of
the most extraordinary stories
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in the aftermath of 1 857.
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And the person who knows more about it
than anyone alive
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is an Indian scholar who comes
from a village just up the road.
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We've arranged to meet at a place
where there's a brick kiln and a temple,
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and he'll be wearing
a red Himalayan shawl.
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Brick kilns coming up over there.
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WOOD: A red Himalayan hat.
I didn't hear him right.
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(WOOD LAUGHING)
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Welcome. Nice to meet you.
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WOOD: Very nice to meet you.
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This is Jeremy and Callum.
So we've made it, fantastic.
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Now, look,
I will have to take you to Bareh.
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The Raja is insistent.
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You can't have a picture
with only the collaborators.
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(LAUGHING)
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You must have a real, real rebel.
Thank you very much.
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People still think about it
as collaborators, do they?
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I am not, you know.
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-One hundred and fifty years?
-I don't feel guilty about it.
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-Come.
-Okay.
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(TRUCK HONKING)
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Don't get run over.
We haven't done the interview yet!
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Sriram is the historianof the Indian National Congress,
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the freedom movementthat arose out of the struggles of 1 857.
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That's the ancestral house.
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-Your house?
-Yes.
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Oh, wow.
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But like everyone in India,he has his own stake in the story.
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His ancestors sided with the British,believing in their order, their future.
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This is gonna... Unstoppable, isn't he?
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-WOOD: This is the fort?
-Yes.
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-So this fort was your ancestors' fort?
-Yes.
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So are you officially still a raja?
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(LAUGHING) Oh, no. Rajas over now.
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Rajas are over?
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An hour or so out into the countryside,
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we reached Bareh.
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The descendants of the collaboratorand the resister and the oppressor.
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Wow, that's impressive, isn't it?
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What was this here?
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-The ladies' apartment.
-The ladies' apartment?
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Fantastic, isn't it?
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And this is what they were fighting for.
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That's India which you
can call eternal, the unchanging.
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So what happened here in 1 857?
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You were the rebels?
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-First War of Independence...
-Yes.
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...they call it now, don't they?
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-These were the local rebel commanders?
-Yes.
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-Oh, of Jhansi?
-Yes, yes.
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She was the heroine,
the Joan of Arc of the resistance.
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Yeah?
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Nana's coming! Nana's coming!
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It was Nana who attacked Lucknow.
436
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So these were the greatest
of the rebel leaders.
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So your family were committed
to fighting against the British?
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-Yes.
-Yeah.
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And what happened here?
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And here in Bareh,
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in the baking summer heatof the Jumna plain,
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a long way into my journeyin search of the story of India,
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I felt enveloped bythe greatness of Indian history,
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by those terrible events 1 50 years ago
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that seemed to haveonly happened yesterday.
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The two of you represent two
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-different Indian views...
-Two different aspects of...
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...of all these great events,
these great events.
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I am not ashamed of the fact
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that my ancestors cooperated
with the British.
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Situated as they were
and being educated,
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they knew the might
and the resources of the British.
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WOOD: Your view is different.
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It was a matter of honour.
We have nothing to lose, we fight.
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WOOD: Your father
was a rebel with Gandhi?
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-WOOD: He joined Gandhi.
-Yes.
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Right, right.
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So the freedom struggle's
rooted in your family?
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And to see how the freedom strugglecame out of the mutiny,
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you need first to come backto the district capital, Etawah.
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Because here livedone of the key figures
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in the beginningof the freedom movement.
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And believe it or not,he was a British civil servant.
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He built this school.
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AO Hume fought here against the rebels
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but then began to speak outfor Indian self-determination.
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He believed in the powerof imperialism to do good,
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I suppose you could put it that way?
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He was rather a kind of an,
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what should I say,
a cultural imperialist.
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Hume helped startthe independence movement
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by bringing togetherthe best young Indians
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to form the Indian National Congress.
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That's him in the middle.
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His is one of the greatuntold Indian stories.
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In fact, Sriram thinks that Humeis almost as important as Gandhi.
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It was Hume's personality,
his organising skill
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and his devotion to the cause of India.
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It was their duty as trustees
of the Indian Empire
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to prepare the people of this country
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00:34:05,037 --> 00:34:08,268
to take the destiny of their country
in their own hands.
482
00:34:08,357 --> 00:34:11,588
So that's what Hume thought
the British should work towards?
483
00:34:11,677 --> 00:34:13,588
This is what the British
should work towards.
484
00:34:13,677 --> 00:34:17,113
And when they are ready
for self-government,
485
00:34:17,197 --> 00:34:21,270
to hand over their trust to them
and to retire from this country,
486
00:34:21,357 --> 00:34:24,827
because if they retire
after doing this much,
487
00:34:24,917 --> 00:34:26,475
they would have done two things.
488
00:34:26,557 --> 00:34:29,708
First, you have trained a people
in self-government,
489
00:34:29,797 --> 00:34:34,632
and second, to have ensured
that their own commerce
490
00:34:34,717 --> 00:34:36,947
and culture would continue.
491
00:34:39,517 --> 00:34:43,590
The first meeting of the Congress,Bombay, 1 885.
492
00:34:43,677 --> 00:34:47,795
In the centre, the only white man,Hume, the rebel in the Raj.
493
00:34:48,717 --> 00:34:51,311
The Indian people now had a voice.
494
00:34:55,437 --> 00:34:58,668
In the 1 880s,they also gained a free press
495
00:34:58,757 --> 00:35:01,317
when the Britishlifted their restrictions
496
00:35:01,397 --> 00:35:04,275
and a flood of hundredsof papers hit the stands,
497
00:35:04,357 --> 00:35:08,032
mainly vernacular oneswhich the British couldn't control.
498
00:35:10,637 --> 00:35:14,869
The British period would be brief,a blip in the story of India.
499
00:35:14,957 --> 00:35:20,156
But the Raj would see the birthof the idea of India as one nation,
500
00:35:20,717 --> 00:35:26,314
unified as much by the idea as bythe railways, maps and communications.
501
00:35:28,117 --> 00:35:29,550
Right, so we're going to the offices
502
00:35:29,637 --> 00:35:32,788
of one of the oldest Indian newspapers,
The Pioneer,
503
00:35:32,877 --> 00:35:35,914
started in Allahabad
more than 1 40 years ago.
504
00:35:38,037 --> 00:35:40,597
The writer Rudyard Kipling,who was born in India,
505
00:35:40,677 --> 00:35:44,511
wrote forThe Pioneer,
which then opposed the freedom movement.
506
00:35:44,597 --> 00:35:46,747
...Peshawar.
They had their own printing press?
507
00:35:46,837 --> 00:35:51,149
MAN: Yeah, it was that linographic and
that metapress we had in those days.
508
00:35:53,197 --> 00:35:55,392
So an international perspective here.
509
00:35:55,477 --> 00:35:57,627
The Kabul Conference,
510
00:35:57,717 --> 00:36:01,266
the British bothered about what the
Russians are doing in their backyard.
511
00:36:01,357 --> 00:36:03,791
The British Raj wasone of the most ingenious
512
00:36:03,877 --> 00:36:06,232
and adaptive Empires in history.
513
00:36:06,317 --> 00:36:11,027
An immense patchwork embracing nearlya quarter of the people of the planet
514
00:36:11,117 --> 00:36:14,393
with 675 princely states,
515
00:36:14,477 --> 00:36:17,514
two them the sizeof large European countries.
516
00:36:17,597 --> 00:36:19,827
An arrangement so extraordinary
517
00:36:19,917 --> 00:36:23,876
that it's scarcely believablethat it existed on the ground.
518
00:36:23,957 --> 00:36:25,356
But it did.
519
00:36:25,437 --> 00:36:27,792
Oh, fantastic. Hello.
520
00:36:27,877 --> 00:36:31,153
And this is the archiveof British India.
521
00:36:31,237 --> 00:36:34,115
MAN: Yeah. This building
was constructed by the British people.
522
00:36:34,197 --> 00:36:35,676
WOOD: Amazing.
523
00:36:37,237 --> 00:36:40,035
So it contains
all the government records?
524
00:36:40,117 --> 00:36:43,075
-Yes, this is all government records.
-Just look at this!
525
00:36:43,157 --> 00:36:45,955
But imperialism is never benign.
526
00:36:46,037 --> 00:36:50,030
MAN: We have 30 kilometres of records.
527
00:36:50,117 --> 00:36:52,267
-Thirty kilometres?
-Yes, here in this building.
528
00:36:52,357 --> 00:36:55,076
And in addition to this building,
then in the next building we have
529
00:36:55,157 --> 00:36:57,466
another 40 kilometres of records.
530
00:36:57,557 --> 00:36:59,513
WOOD: So 70 kilometres of documents.
MAN: Yes?
531
00:36:59,597 --> 00:37:02,031
-In total we have 70 kilometres.
-My goodness me.
532
00:37:02,117 --> 00:37:05,029
This is the social history of India,
isn't it?
533
00:37:06,837 --> 00:37:10,193
WOOD: For such forms of knowledgeare never neutral.
534
00:37:12,517 --> 00:37:14,826
WOMAN: By the middle ofthe 1 9th century,
535
00:37:14,917 --> 00:37:17,909
the nature of colonialism in Indiais changing.
536
00:37:18,317 --> 00:37:20,353
From a relatively benign,
537
00:37:20,437 --> 00:37:23,315
what we call orientalist phase
of colonialism,
538
00:37:23,397 --> 00:37:25,627
this is now an arrogant Britain,
539
00:37:25,717 --> 00:37:29,392
the first country of the
Industrial Revolution ruling the world.
540
00:37:29,477 --> 00:37:33,550
And then from the 1 850s,
the competition worldwide for colonies.
541
00:37:33,637 --> 00:37:36,515
Other countries are coming up
and competing for colonies.
542
00:37:36,597 --> 00:37:40,556
So, therefore, there's a great need
to have a very systematic
543
00:37:42,317 --> 00:37:45,434
ordering of people's lives.
544
00:37:45,517 --> 00:37:47,872
The information and everything
related to them.
545
00:37:47,957 --> 00:37:52,587
And how did they set about it in terms
of defining the people of India?
546
00:37:52,677 --> 00:37:55,396
Well, apart from just enumerating
the population,
547
00:37:55,477 --> 00:37:58,310
I think the crucial issue
is how you enumerate,
548
00:37:58,397 --> 00:38:00,115
what are the categories you employ?
549
00:38:00,197 --> 00:38:02,506
And I think it's extremely important
to remember
550
00:38:02,597 --> 00:38:07,796
that right from the beginning,
religion was the one dominant category
551
00:38:07,877 --> 00:38:10,550
which entered all other categories.
552
00:38:10,637 --> 00:38:16,314
This is the report which is preparing
for the first census of 1 881 ,
553
00:38:16,397 --> 00:38:19,912
and the first item in this
is about religion.
554
00:38:19,997 --> 00:38:24,548
And once you begin counting people
according to their religious origin,
555
00:38:24,637 --> 00:38:26,832
then when politics comes in,
556
00:38:26,917 --> 00:38:29,875
religion then becomes
a religious community.
557
00:38:29,957 --> 00:38:33,666
At the turn of the century,
for example, in 1 909,
558
00:38:34,437 --> 00:38:36,667
there was a big debate
559
00:38:36,757 --> 00:38:39,749
that started that Hindus
were actually going to disappear
560
00:38:39,837 --> 00:38:43,386
because, in fact, one of the census
commissioners of Bengal made a statement
561
00:38:43,477 --> 00:38:46,150
that if the Muslims
continue to grow at this rate,
562
00:38:46,237 --> 00:38:47,556
Hindus will disappear.
563
00:38:47,637 --> 00:38:51,107
And then some Hindus took it up
and said, ''Hindu's a dying race.''
564
00:38:51,197 --> 00:38:54,906
Similarly, the Muslims.
When they took their first delegation,
565
00:38:54,997 --> 00:38:57,557
out of which the Muslim League
was formed,
566
00:38:57,637 --> 00:38:59,593
and they went to see
the Viceroy, they said,
567
00:38:59,677 --> 00:39:03,909
''We number so much,
we are outnumbered by the Hindus.
568
00:39:03,997 --> 00:39:05,953
''If you are going to have
a representative system
569
00:39:06,037 --> 00:39:09,916
''which is based on majorities
principle of election,
570
00:39:09,997 --> 00:39:13,467
''we are never going to be there.''
Because ''we'' now means Muslims.
571
00:39:13,557 --> 00:39:15,548
The implication of that seems to be
572
00:39:15,637 --> 00:39:19,471
that by defining an Indian people
in this way,
573
00:39:19,557 --> 00:39:21,912
the British set a path
574
00:39:21,997 --> 00:39:26,593
for the way that Indians would construe
their path to independence.
575
00:39:26,677 --> 00:39:29,510
Absolutely right. And we are still
living with that legacy,
576
00:39:29,597 --> 00:39:32,714
we're struggling with it,
we fall victim to it,
577
00:39:32,797 --> 00:39:35,994
we resist it, but it is still with us.
578
00:39:39,197 --> 00:39:42,189
WOOD: Subjects of the greatest empirethe world had ever seen,
579
00:39:42,277 --> 00:39:46,065
the Indian people were drawn intoBritain's world conflicts.
580
00:39:48,517 --> 00:39:52,112
In the First World War,Indians fought for the King Emperor
581
00:39:52,197 --> 00:39:55,587
in the trenches of Flandersand the deserts of Iraq.
582
00:40:03,637 --> 00:40:06,470
But when the war was over,the freedom movement,
583
00:40:06,557 --> 00:40:09,390
led by the Congress Partyand the Muslim League,
584
00:40:09,477 --> 00:40:13,595
who now represented a Muslim electorate,were expecting a payoff.
585
00:40:19,397 --> 00:40:21,627
More than two million Indians
had fought in the war
586
00:40:21,717 --> 00:40:25,187
on behalf of the British,
thousands had been killed.
587
00:40:25,677 --> 00:40:28,874
But still there was
a loyalty to Britain,
588
00:40:28,957 --> 00:40:31,517
despite a strong home-rule movement.
589
00:40:31,597 --> 00:40:33,792
But the British rewarded that loyalty
590
00:40:33,877 --> 00:40:38,314
by imposing the wartime sedition laws
in peacetime.
591
00:40:38,677 --> 00:40:42,750
No trial, no lawyer, no appeal.
592
00:40:45,197 --> 00:40:47,074
Only months after the end of the war,
593
00:40:47,157 --> 00:40:50,115
a peaceful demonstration took placein the Punjab
594
00:40:50,197 --> 00:40:53,075
in the Sikh holy city of Amritsar.
595
00:40:55,997 --> 00:40:59,546
The callous ineptitudeof the British General Dyer
596
00:40:59,637 --> 00:41:04,665
would make Amritsar a notorious namein the history of Britain and India.
597
00:41:06,877 --> 00:41:08,515
OFFICER: Take aim!
598
00:41:11,797 --> 00:41:13,549
-Fire!-Fire!
599
00:41:17,037 --> 00:41:18,595
Take your time!
600
00:41:21,197 --> 00:41:23,791
They come here from this passage,
601
00:41:23,877 --> 00:41:26,152
this was the only entry or exit.
602
00:41:26,237 --> 00:41:29,388
They put the guns here,
open fire on the public.
603
00:41:30,037 --> 00:41:32,073
-WOOD: So there was no warning?
-No warning.
604
00:41:34,477 --> 00:41:37,753
-How big was the crowd?
-About 20,000 people had gathered there.
605
00:41:37,837 --> 00:41:39,236
Twenty thousand!
606
00:41:47,557 --> 00:41:51,755
At least 400 people were killedthat day and 1,500 injured.
607
00:41:59,677 --> 00:42:01,827
Did you have family members
present that day?
608
00:42:01,917 --> 00:42:06,195
My grandfather, Dr SC Mukherjee,
he was present on that happening,
609
00:42:06,277 --> 00:42:07,551
but luckily escaped.
610
00:42:07,637 --> 00:42:10,276
And since then
we are looking after this here.
611
00:42:13,677 --> 00:42:16,749
On such moments, history can turn.
612
00:42:16,837 --> 00:42:19,510
The Amritsar massacre gavean irresistible impetuous
613
00:42:19,597 --> 00:42:21,588
to the freedom movement.
614
00:42:22,317 --> 00:42:26,105
The main players wereall British-educated lawyers.
615
00:42:26,197 --> 00:42:28,427
The canny Mohandas KGandhi,
616
00:42:29,077 --> 00:42:32,194
the brilliant Mohammed Jinnahof the Muslim League
617
00:42:32,277 --> 00:42:35,952
and Jawaharlal Nehru,the austere star of Congress.
618
00:42:36,437 --> 00:42:40,749
Together, they were to planone of history's greatest revolutions,
619
00:42:40,837 --> 00:42:44,796
driven by the ancient Indian ideaof non-violence.
620
00:42:48,637 --> 00:42:53,791
They were great times
and rare times and unique times,
621
00:42:54,277 --> 00:42:56,393
I always think.
622
00:42:56,477 --> 00:43:01,312
And I'm glad that I lived
almost through all these times.
623
00:43:02,877 --> 00:43:06,916
Aged 95,PD Tandon has died since we met.
624
00:43:07,277 --> 00:43:11,873
He was an old Nehru family friend,a freedom fighter in the 1 930s and '40s.
625
00:43:12,557 --> 00:43:16,596
So you had a sense of being
present when history was being made.
626
00:43:27,997 --> 00:43:30,875
For 1 4 months? When was this?
627
00:43:31,877 --> 00:43:33,595
1 942?
628
00:43:33,677 --> 00:43:35,793
You knew Nehru from the early days.
629
00:43:35,917 --> 00:43:40,593
Was it apparent even then
that he was a man marked by destiny?
630
00:43:45,277 --> 00:43:46,835
(BOTH LAUGHING)
631
00:44:06,597 --> 00:44:10,033
-Very confident and sure of himself.
-Yes, that is right.
632
00:44:10,157 --> 00:44:12,387
You must have got to know
Gandhi well, also.
633
00:44:12,477 --> 00:44:14,627
Oh, yes, I knew him, too.
634
00:44:14,717 --> 00:44:17,106
What kind of impression
did he make on you?
635
00:44:17,197 --> 00:44:21,315
Many people speak of
his magic spell on people.
636
00:44:21,397 --> 00:44:23,592
Tell us what you thought.
637
00:44:43,517 --> 00:44:47,556
Today the Anand Bhavan,the Nehru family house in Allahabad,
638
00:44:47,637 --> 00:44:50,629
is a shrine to India'sstruggle for freedom.
639
00:44:56,237 --> 00:44:59,149
They're worshipping Gandhi,
they're worshipping Nehru.
640
00:44:59,237 --> 00:45:02,752
Nehru, they were the greatest,
greatest people of our country.
641
00:45:02,837 --> 00:45:05,067
WOOD: So Gandhiji is not forgotten?
642
00:45:05,157 --> 00:45:07,307
Never! Never!
643
00:45:08,917 --> 00:45:12,148
WOMAN: People do not realise
644
00:45:12,237 --> 00:45:15,388
how difficult it was to get freedom.
645
00:45:15,477 --> 00:45:18,867
Those who were not born,those who have not seen,
646
00:45:18,957 --> 00:45:21,551
don't know what was freedom struggle.
647
00:45:22,157 --> 00:45:26,389
British rule, that it was
a very disciplined rule,
648
00:45:26,477 --> 00:45:29,947
they accept this thing. But, you know,
649
00:45:31,317 --> 00:45:33,547
bondage, nobody likes.
650
00:45:33,637 --> 00:45:35,753
Everybody likes to be free.
651
00:45:40,917 --> 00:45:42,953
Nehru and Gandhi andtheir colleagues were engaged
652
00:45:43,037 --> 00:45:46,746
in the greatest liberation strugglethat had ever taken place in history.
653
00:45:46,837 --> 00:45:50,147
The question for themwas which way would India go?
654
00:45:50,237 --> 00:45:53,946
What India did they imagine?What was India?
655
00:45:55,517 --> 00:46:00,193
If the path forward was going to be
democracy, then how was that
656
00:46:00,277 --> 00:46:03,986
to be squared with the inequities
of the caste system?
657
00:46:04,077 --> 00:46:07,228
With the oppressions
of the hereditary landlords
658
00:46:07,317 --> 00:46:09,592
in the feudal cow belt?
659
00:46:09,677 --> 00:46:11,747
With the inequality of women?
660
00:46:11,837 --> 00:46:14,067
And how would a single, united India
661
00:46:14,157 --> 00:46:16,955
encompass all
its diverse religious traditions
662
00:46:17,037 --> 00:46:19,915
whose voices were becoming
more and more insistent?
663
00:46:20,917 --> 00:46:24,353
By 1 940,Jinnah had cometo believe that Hindu and Muslim
664
00:46:24,437 --> 00:46:27,668
were two separate nationsthat cannot live together.
665
00:46:27,757 --> 00:46:29,907
And talk began of partition.
666
00:46:30,837 --> 00:46:34,273
The British attitude towards
the partition of India
667
00:46:34,357 --> 00:46:35,995
was slightly ambivalent.
668
00:46:37,157 --> 00:46:40,752
On the one hand,
they had created this unity
669
00:46:40,837 --> 00:46:42,634
where there was none.
670
00:46:42,717 --> 00:46:47,154
They gloried in the fact
that they had created a united India.
671
00:46:49,917 --> 00:46:53,148
And they also knew
that if India became divided,
672
00:46:53,237 --> 00:46:57,071
all sorts of defence problems
would arise.
673
00:46:57,717 --> 00:46:59,548
And they were also very conscious
674
00:46:59,637 --> 00:47:03,152
of the great divide betweenthe Hindus and the Muslims.
675
00:47:04,797 --> 00:47:08,585
WOOD: Here in the Viceroys lodgein Simla in 1 946,
676
00:47:08,677 --> 00:47:11,953
the British tried too lateto broker a loose federation
677
00:47:12,037 --> 00:47:14,756
comprising groups ofHindu and Muslim states
678
00:47:14,837 --> 00:47:16,714
under a central government.
679
00:47:16,797 --> 00:47:20,506
But the coalitioncollapsed in mistrust from both sides
680
00:47:20,597 --> 00:47:25,432
and Jinnah finally pushed fora separate state for Muslims, Pakistan.
681
00:47:26,197 --> 00:47:29,030
Jinnah had movedtowards the idea of Pakistan.
682
00:47:29,117 --> 00:47:32,393
What he used to say,
''After we have divided,
683
00:47:32,477 --> 00:47:36,152
''then we can come together,
then we can cooperate.''
684
00:47:36,237 --> 00:47:40,230
This is what Mohandas said,
''This is divorce before marriage.''
685
00:47:47,717 --> 00:47:50,595
So finally in the summer of 1 94 7,
686
00:47:50,677 --> 00:47:53,828
the British washed their handsof the problem.
687
00:47:53,917 --> 00:47:57,193
And with great pride,and yet profound disappointment,
688
00:47:57,277 --> 00:47:59,745
Nehru accepted India's destiny.
689
00:48:02,157 --> 00:48:06,833
NEHRU: Long years agowe made a tryst with destiny,
690
00:48:08,277 --> 00:48:13,510
and now the time comeswhen we shall redeem our pledge,
691
00:48:14,317 --> 00:48:19,710
not wholly or in full measure,but very substantially.
692
00:48:21,717 --> 00:48:26,108
At the stroke of the midnight hour,when the world sleeps,
693
00:48:26,957 --> 00:48:29,630
India will awake to life and freedom.
694
00:48:31,917 --> 00:48:36,547
WOOD: But a partitioned India,with Muslim Pakistan itself divided
695
00:48:36,637 --> 00:48:39,549
by 2,000 miles from east to west.
696
00:48:41,637 --> 00:48:45,516
On the two sides of India,in the Punjab and Bengal,
697
00:48:45,597 --> 00:48:47,633
the dividing linebetween Muslim and Hindu
698
00:48:47,717 --> 00:48:51,790
had been drawn upby a British civil servant in six weeks
699
00:48:51,877 --> 00:48:55,153
using information gatheredfrom the censuses.
700
00:48:55,237 --> 00:48:58,035
The line ran through fieldsand communities,
701
00:48:58,117 --> 00:49:01,666
across railways, roadsand irrigation schemes.
702
00:49:01,757 --> 00:49:05,830
It went through villages,and even through individual houses,
703
00:49:05,917 --> 00:49:09,705
and it cut through the deepest layersof the history of the subcontinent.
704
00:49:09,797 --> 00:49:13,585
Hello. Very nice to meet you.
I am Michael.
705
00:49:14,717 --> 00:49:16,230
So how old is Mr Swaran?
706
00:49:16,317 --> 00:49:18,069
(SPEAKING HINDI)
707
00:49:20,837 --> 00:49:22,668
-Eighty-two.
-Eighty-two!
708
00:49:22,757 --> 00:49:24,315
You are in fine form.
709
00:49:24,397 --> 00:49:25,876
(LAUGHING)
710
00:49:25,957 --> 00:49:29,393
To make matters worse,the British kept the line secret
711
00:49:29,477 --> 00:49:32,549
till after independenceon the 1 5th of August,
712
00:49:32,637 --> 00:49:35,913
and they were culpably negligentin failing to provide troops
713
00:49:35,997 --> 00:49:39,626
to protect the people inthe ethnic cleansing that followed
714
00:49:39,717 --> 00:49:43,073
when Hindu, Sikh and Muslimbegan to kill each other.
715
00:49:43,797 --> 00:49:46,630
And the village was just over
the border in what is now Pakistan,
716
00:49:46,717 --> 00:49:48,389
-is that right?
-In Pakistan.
717
00:49:48,477 --> 00:49:49,626
Yeah, yeah.
718
00:49:52,077 --> 00:49:53,988
-Sikhs.
-Sikhs, yes.
719
00:49:54,437 --> 00:49:56,029
(SPEAKING HINDI)
720
00:50:50,997 --> 00:50:55,149
WOOD: Seventeen members of your family?
Yeah, yeah.
721
00:50:59,957 --> 00:51:04,269
In the summer of 1 94 7, that storywas repeated across the Punjab
722
00:51:04,357 --> 00:51:07,747
as great floods of people fled in fear.
723
00:51:07,837 --> 00:51:13,195
Hindus and Sikhs eastwards into India,Muslims westwards into the new Pakistan.
724
00:51:13,837 --> 00:51:17,989
Fourteen million people,the largest migration in history,
725
00:51:18,717 --> 00:51:20,753
and up to a million died.
726
00:51:21,837 --> 00:51:25,432
We console ourselvesby talking of common human feeling,
727
00:51:26,197 --> 00:51:29,906
but there are times in historywhen there is no such thing.
728
00:51:35,957 --> 00:51:38,471
But could the partition havebeen avoided?
729
00:51:38,557 --> 00:51:42,106
What if the Congress and the MuslimLeague had made concessions
730
00:51:42,197 --> 00:51:44,472
and accepted the federation?
731
00:51:44,557 --> 00:51:47,355
Why did the Britishhave to rush independence?
732
00:51:47,437 --> 00:51:51,316
Could the slaughter have been avoidedif they'd provided a few battalions
733
00:51:51,397 --> 00:51:53,388
to protect the refugees?
734
00:51:54,277 --> 00:51:58,907
And will India and Pakistan come backtogether again as Jinnah hoped?
735
00:52:08,957 --> 00:52:14,475
A few miles inside the Pakistani borderwe found Swaran Singh's old village
736
00:52:14,557 --> 00:52:16,627
still with its Hindu name.
737
00:52:18,397 --> 00:52:23,596
This was the place he left as a boyin terror in 1 94 7
738
00:52:23,677 --> 00:52:26,316
after the murder of 1 7 of his family.
739
00:52:26,397 --> 00:52:29,389
(SPEAKING HINDI)
740
00:52:31,597 --> 00:52:34,395
Yeah, okay.
So we are in the right place.
741
00:52:35,677 --> 00:52:39,352
And the old people here,Muslims, had the same story.
742
00:52:39,437 --> 00:52:42,235
Uprooted, fleeing for their livesfrom India.
743
00:52:42,317 --> 00:52:46,105
But here at the end they told a talewith a glimmer of hope.
744
00:52:48,357 --> 00:52:50,507
(SPEAKING HINDI)
745
00:53:18,837 --> 00:53:22,147
Were there cases where friends
helped friends?
746
00:53:22,277 --> 00:53:24,427
(SPEAKING PUNJABI)
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00:53:56,637 --> 00:53:58,548
TRANSLATOR: They still get letters.
748
00:53:58,637 --> 00:54:01,470
No! Wow, what an amazing story.
749
00:54:06,877 --> 00:54:09,107
History sometimes happens in a way
750
00:54:09,197 --> 00:54:11,870
which is not willed
by the main participants.
751
00:54:11,957 --> 00:54:15,870
Nehru and Gandhi saw themselves
as the great idealists,
752
00:54:15,957 --> 00:54:20,394
but in the end,
failed to grasp the biggest prize.
753
00:54:20,837 --> 00:54:24,591
Jinnah was a convinced
secular nationalist,
754
00:54:24,677 --> 00:54:29,148
who only at the very end
took an independent Pakistan.
755
00:54:29,997 --> 00:54:34,354
And as for the British,
they were tried and found wanting.
756
00:54:42,557 --> 00:54:47,108
So that's how India and Pakistangot freedom 60 years ago.
757
00:54:47,757 --> 00:54:50,146
It's not been plain sailing since.
758
00:54:50,237 --> 00:54:52,910
There's been three wars, nuclear bombs,
759
00:54:52,997 --> 00:54:55,636
they're still at loggerheadsover Kashmir.
760
00:54:55,717 --> 00:54:58,550
In 1 9 7 1, East Pakistan,with India's help,
761
00:54:58,637 --> 00:55:01,470
broke away and became Bangladesh.
762
00:55:01,557 --> 00:55:05,391
And India and Pakistanhave not yet become the friends
763
00:55:05,477 --> 00:55:08,037
after the divorce that Jinnah hoped.
764
00:55:09,277 --> 00:55:14,874
But when the dust settles on 1 94 7,that surely will come.
765
00:55:19,677 --> 00:55:23,875
And as for India,the tale of the last 60 years
766
00:55:23,957 --> 00:55:26,869
is above all the triumph of democracy.
767
00:55:30,437 --> 00:55:32,314
To manage the art of building democratic
768
00:55:32,397 --> 00:55:36,993
and stable political institutions
over six decades in a country which
769
00:55:37,077 --> 00:55:41,309
in the first 20 years after independence
was predicted to disintegrate.
770
00:55:41,397 --> 00:55:43,957
And it's begun freeingthe creative energies of its people
771
00:55:44,037 --> 00:55:46,756
which had been stifled by certainpolitical and economic choices
772
00:55:46,837 --> 00:55:48,429
made after 1 94 7.
773
00:55:51,957 --> 00:55:54,391
We've seen a transformationof national level politics
774
00:55:54,477 --> 00:55:56,866
where we've gone froma dominant one-party state
775
00:55:56,957 --> 00:55:58,310
to coalition governments.
776
00:55:58,397 --> 00:56:01,230
We've seen a transformationin the economy.
777
00:56:02,397 --> 00:56:07,346
WOOD: And its economy is making Indiaa global giant in the new century.
778
00:56:07,437 --> 00:56:11,589
Soon to become the world'sbiggest population, by the 2030s,
779
00:56:11,677 --> 00:56:16,512
it's predicted that India's GDPwill overtake the United States
780
00:56:16,597 --> 00:56:20,590
and India will resume the positionit has had for much of history.
781
00:56:20,677 --> 00:56:24,716
The world's biggest democracyis looking once more to the future.
782
00:56:28,357 --> 00:56:31,952
THAROOR: Indians are filledwith a sense of the possible.
783
00:56:33,677 --> 00:56:37,590
There is a tremendous
degree of optimism about the future,
784
00:56:37,677 --> 00:56:42,876
which I think is all the more
interesting for coming from a people
785
00:56:42,957 --> 00:56:45,425
who, in so many other ways,
are anchored in the past.
786
00:57:06,877 --> 00:57:09,437
We've come on a journey
of thousands of years
787
00:57:09,517 --> 00:57:11,235
and thousand of miles.
788
00:57:11,317 --> 00:57:15,708
A tale that began with the first
migration of human beings out of Africa
789
00:57:15,797 --> 00:57:19,187
and ends at this point
with India as a global power.
790
00:57:21,717 --> 00:57:26,552
Great civilisations over time
develop responses, habits,
791
00:57:26,637 --> 00:57:28,229
cultural immune systems
792
00:57:28,317 --> 00:57:32,151
that enable them to absorb
the shocks and wounds of history
793
00:57:32,237 --> 00:57:35,309
and also to use the gifts of history.
794
00:57:36,037 --> 00:57:39,188
Those are the habits
of successful civilisations.
795
00:57:39,877 --> 00:57:44,075
And India has always done that,
always renewing its gene pool,
796
00:57:44,157 --> 00:57:46,148
always being receptive to new ideas
797
00:57:46,237 --> 00:57:49,786
and yet tenaciously holding on
to that essential vision,
798
00:57:49,877 --> 00:57:52,835
that way of seeing
the world which is Indian.
799
00:57:55,837 --> 00:57:59,227
''At the dawn of history, ''Nehru said 60 years ago,
800
00:57:59,317 --> 00:58:04,027
''India started on her unending questand trackless centuries
801
00:58:04,117 --> 00:58:07,951
''are filled with her strivingand the grandeur of her success
802
00:58:08,037 --> 00:58:09,993
''and her failures.
803
00:58:10,077 --> 00:58:14,593
''Through good and ill fortune alikeshe has never lost sight of that quest
804
00:58:14,677 --> 00:58:18,272
''or forgotten the idealswhich gave her strength.
805
00:58:19,077 --> 00:58:22,433
''And todayIndia discovers herself again.
806
00:58:22,957 --> 00:58:28,668
''India, the ancient, the eternaland the ever-new. ''
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