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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:03,320 --> 00:00:05,240 Hi, I'm Andrew Graham Dixon 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,560 and I'm an art historian. 3 00:00:07,560 --> 00:00:09,800 These ancient roads are slightly bumpy. 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,280 And I'm Giorgio Locatelli and I'm a cook. 5 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:17,400 We've been all over Italy, 6 00:00:17,400 --> 00:00:21,440 revealing her gastronomic and artistic treasures, 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,600 but now we've come to the beating heart of the country, Rome. 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,600 It's a 2,000 year old metropolis where past and present collide. 9 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,000 It's as unique for an art lover... 10 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:41,200 In the same moment he's also Christ on the cross. 11 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:44,280 ..as it is for a food lover. 12 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,920 Today I'm going to cook you a dish that is really steep in history. 13 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:53,200 We will test traditional recipes beloved by the Romans. 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:55,600 I'm not leaving this here. He's not going to let me have any. 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:59,520 And we'll plunge our forks into the cultures that have shaped the city. 16 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,360 The Trevi Fountain, famous as Italian ice cream. 17 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,960 We'll explore Rome's greatest works of art and architecture. 18 00:01:06,960 --> 00:01:10,600 Uno. Due. Tre. 19 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:12,720 Full of light... Incredible. 20 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,480 ..but also, sometimes, darkness. 21 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:20,360 It's the voice of conscience. 22 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:22,200 I think it's a truthful voice. 23 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,880 I cannot imagine anything to do in life better than this. 24 00:01:47,920 --> 00:01:49,560 And with you in the back, as well. 25 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,880 It's always been my belief that to understand Rome, 26 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:56,320 you must first understand the Roman people. 27 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:01,360 They've always been the driving force behind the city. 28 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:08,320 From ancient times, the Romans have acclaimed each new Emperor... 29 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:15,120 ..roared their approval or disapproval of each new Pope 30 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:17,760 and they show no sign of stopping that. 31 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:22,360 They're always larger than life, 32 00:02:22,360 --> 00:02:25,040 divided, opinionated, 33 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:27,000 passionate, unpredictable. 34 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:30,360 Rome might be Italy's centre of government... 35 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:35,240 ..but no-one could be harder to govern than the Romans. 36 00:02:42,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Our journey begins in the historic centre of Rome, 37 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,680 the politically charged Capitoline Hill. 38 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,760 The smallest and most important of 39 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,760 the seven hills of ancient Rome, 40 00:02:53,760 --> 00:02:57,400 it was originally the site of one of the city's most sacred temples 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,760 and later became the seat of the Senate. 42 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:02,480 Look at this. Amazing. 43 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:03,960 Excuse me. 44 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,640 Caput Mundi. Here we are. 45 00:03:06,640 --> 00:03:09,880 But it's empty. We have the whole square to ourselves. 46 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:11,040 That is unbelievable. 47 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,280 That's like having an opera performance just for you. 48 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,440 But it is like a piece of theatre. 49 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,600 Yeah. This is THE place. 50 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,960 Yeah, yeah, you're right. 51 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:33,520 So many things happened here. 52 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Friends, Romans, lend me your ears. 53 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,840 After the death of Caesar, 54 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:42,320 Petrarch, he comes here to receive his laurel crown 55 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:47,880 and then Napoleon declares his short-lived rule over Italy. 56 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:49,960 Not very important. Don't talk about him. 57 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:51,680 But still, they always come here. 58 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:54,960 This is the place. Even in the Second World War, 59 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,840 General Clark really didn't feel like 60 00:03:56,840 --> 00:03:59,640 he'd achieved anything until he arrived here. 61 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,680 Well, we talk about, often, Michelangelo the sculptor... 62 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:06,120 Yeah. ..Michelangelo the painter, who created the Sistine Chapel... 63 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:09,560 Yeah. ..but sometimes we forget, this is Michelangelo the architect, 64 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:13,040 and he creates this beautiful star pavement, 65 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:15,200 almost like this is the sun. 66 00:04:15,200 --> 00:04:17,280 And at the centre of it all, 67 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:20,280 this great statue of Marcus Aurelius, 68 00:04:20,280 --> 00:04:23,320 one of the most famous statues in the world. 69 00:04:23,320 --> 00:04:26,560 This statue's stood here, really, for 2,000 years. 70 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,240 The very first equestrian statue. 71 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:33,280 And in Roman times this signified the status of the ruler, 72 00:04:33,280 --> 00:04:35,880 that the Emperor, he is astride the horse, 73 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,840 just as he is, metaphorically, 74 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:39,200 he's in charge of his people. 75 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,000 There he is, the great philosopher emperor, 76 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,680 founder of modern mindfulness, 77 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:48,760 author of works on happiness. 78 00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:50,840 Extraordinary man. 79 00:04:50,840 --> 00:04:54,480 The only reason it survived was that Pope Paul III, 80 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,880 for whom Michelangelo redesigned this square during the Renaissance, 81 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,960 he actually believed that to be a representation of the very first 82 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:03,840 Christian emperor, Constantine. 83 00:05:03,840 --> 00:05:06,760 I see. And that's why he allowed it to remain, 84 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,920 because all the Roman pagan monuments... 85 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,640 All melted. If they were made of bronze, they go. 86 00:05:12,640 --> 00:05:14,680 So this thing only survives because of a mistake. 87 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:16,040 Fantastic. Thank God for that. 88 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:19,160 One of the most famous statues in the world. It's beautiful. 89 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:21,160 Look at the horse. 90 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:22,600 There's two Romes, always. 91 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,520 There's the Rome of the great and the powerful, 92 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:26,920 and there's the Rome of the people, the Rome of the mob. 93 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,040 And this place is where the two meet each other. 94 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,520 Andrew, come, I want to ask you something. 95 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,600 You know what that mean? 96 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,360 Senatus Populusque Romanus. 97 00:05:38,360 --> 00:05:41,280 It's a central idea of Ancient Rome. 98 00:05:41,280 --> 00:05:43,880 Those who rule, only rule with the collaboration of the people. 99 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,240 With the collaboration... of the people... 100 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,280 of Rome. That means a representation 101 00:05:49,280 --> 00:05:52,520 of the mob, as we call it. 102 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:57,080 The modern world is built on this value, on this idea, 103 00:05:57,080 --> 00:06:00,800 that the people are part of the government. 104 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:04,600 And, you know, this is so everywhere in Rome. 105 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:09,440 Look, the aqueduct, water, everybody, SPQR. 106 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,160 It really is everywhere. That's it. 107 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,000 It's pretty unique to see the power 108 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,640 of the people declared in every corner of their own city. 109 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:27,080 Thanks to that, 110 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,600 the Roman always maintain a strong sense of ownership over Rome, 111 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,480 throughout the Republic and Imperial eras. 112 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:41,040 But the Empire ended in 476 AD. 113 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,400 Over the following centuries it was replaced by rulers 114 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,240 more interested in exerting power over the people. 115 00:06:52,280 --> 00:06:53,440 Fantastico. 116 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,280 By the eighth century Rome was the capital of the Papal States, 117 00:07:01,280 --> 00:07:03,560 ruled by cardinals and popes. 118 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:08,680 These ambitious men of God loved nothing more 119 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:13,640 than to proclaim their own vast power with grandiose monuments. 120 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:17,920 But even they knew that they also had to please the people. 121 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:19,400 For me, the best, 122 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:23,480 most extravagant example of this Papal showmanship in all of Rome... 123 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:26,880 ..is the Trevi Fountain. 124 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:37,600 Commissioned by Pope Clement XII, in the 18th century. 125 00:07:37,600 --> 00:07:41,920 As famous as Italian ice cream, it looks like it's made of ice cream. 126 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:43,840 The Trevi Fountain. 127 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,080 It's so beautiful. 128 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,760 In the Roman times it's bread and circuses. 129 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:50,840 In the Papal times it's fountains. 130 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,040 That's how you really impress your people. 131 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:58,320 This is the culmination of a kind of centuries-long fountain competition. 132 00:07:58,320 --> 00:08:01,400 Every Pope wants to put a great fountain. 133 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:03,360 It gets bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger 134 00:08:03,360 --> 00:08:06,720 and then, finally, this fountain goes up. 135 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:09,000 And everybody just goes, "You know what..." 136 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:11,720 "Maybe we should stop it." "Maybe we should stop now." 137 00:08:11,720 --> 00:08:14,480 It's the entire side of a palace. 138 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,800 In the middle, the God of the seas, Neptune. 139 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:23,240 On the left, you've got Abundance. 140 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:27,080 She's emphasising that, "Oh, it's not just Papal extravagance. 141 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,800 "Without this water..." 142 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,640 Nothing grow. Nothing grows. 143 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:33,720 And that's continued in this lovely detail of the plants... 144 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,440 Yes. ..that's sort of growing up around the fountain. 145 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,920 Love that one, look, growing on the rocks. 146 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,680 Looks like a lettuce or something. Yeah. 147 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:45,760 I think my favourite detail are 148 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,560 these horses because they've got fish's tails, 149 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:51,800 horse's bodies, and they've also got wings. 150 00:08:51,800 --> 00:08:54,040 Wings. Everything is there. 151 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:56,160 And it's all invented in one go here. 152 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:58,760 That is so brilliant. 153 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:00,520 Even as it started to go up, 154 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,400 people knew this was something pretty special, 155 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:05,920 and that's why the inscriptions are so confusing 156 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,640 because everyone wanted to have their name on it. 157 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,560 So it was commissioned by Pope Clement XII, 158 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:16,200 but in 1735, before the fountain is finished, he knows he's dying, 159 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,320 so he quickly makes sure that his name was inscribed. 160 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:23,720 Then, below, in the gold, we see Benedict XIV... 161 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:26,440 ..in his... 162 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,480 Well, basically, in his time, it was actually finished 163 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:30,720 and declared open. 164 00:09:31,840 --> 00:09:35,480 And then if you look below, another Pope, Clement XIII, 165 00:09:35,480 --> 00:09:37,920 I think he did some additions to the aqueduct work 166 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:40,680 or something. And he said, "No, I want my name on it, too." 167 00:09:40,680 --> 00:09:42,520 Yeah, it's not three coins in the fountain, 168 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,120 it's three Popes in a fountain. 169 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:48,600 But in the end, the Italian who really put his name on it, 170 00:09:48,600 --> 00:09:51,000 although he didn't put his name on it... 171 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,200 Federico Fellini. Yes. 172 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,400 Marcello, where are you? 173 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,800 My goodness. 174 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:10,200 Fellini, more than anyone else, 175 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,800 with the scene in La Dolce Vita 176 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,760 where Anita Ekberg wades into the fountain, 177 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:17,640 and her friend, Marcello, Marcello Mastroianni. 178 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,120 They made the fountain, that was 179 00:10:19,120 --> 00:10:20,960 already the fountain of the people of Rome, 180 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:22,960 became the fountain of the people of the world. 181 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:24,720 Of the world, that's right. 182 00:10:24,720 --> 00:10:25,760 Absolutely. 183 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:36,240 Oscar winner Federico Fellini was 184 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,600 one of the most famous Italian film directors. 185 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,560 Although from Rimini, Fellini found his real home in Rome. 186 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:47,160 He responded above all to the people of the city. 187 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:50,440 Their passion, their love of spectacle 188 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:53,680 and he put them at the heart of much of his work. 189 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:58,800 In his 1960s masterpiece La Dolce Vita, 190 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:01,360 a satire on Roman high society, 191 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,600 he transformed the city's classical sites into vibrant film sets. 192 00:11:07,560 --> 00:11:10,200 Hollywood and its starlets flooded in, 193 00:11:10,200 --> 00:11:13,120 making Rome the centre of the world once again. 194 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:20,160 In the '50s here you had... 195 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:24,440 ..Gary Cooper, everybody, and there would be people there just watching. 196 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:26,560 Just standing there on the street just watching. 197 00:11:26,560 --> 00:11:28,960 Look and see what's happening, who's having a coffee, 198 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:30,760 who's drinking something. 199 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,960 And Fellini was right at the base of this. 200 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,960 He was kind of the spark and just illuminated the whole thing. 201 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,280 Although Fellini could have worked 202 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:47,760 with any of the big star of the time, 203 00:11:47,760 --> 00:11:50,240 he never turned his back on the Romans. 204 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:55,640 And in any ordinary man and woman on the street he may find the potential 205 00:11:55,640 --> 00:12:00,280 extra to give him the raw quality he was always looking for in his film. 206 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:07,040 Buongiorno, Silvano. Buongiorno. Buongiorno. 207 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:10,520 Silvano Spoletini was 21 years old 208 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,040 and working as an encyclopaedia binder 209 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:18,240 when Fellini picked him to be an extra in his film Roma. 210 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,520 From that moment he went on to have a 60-year career, 211 00:12:22,520 --> 00:12:27,040 working on films such as Ocean's 12 and Gangs of New York. 212 00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:33,280 They called him The Lighthouse because he was the leading light 213 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:35,240 and everybody follow him. 214 00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:25,040 The capacity of the Roman to, kind of, reinvent themselves 215 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:26,760 or to push little bit. 216 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,520 What are you doing this morning? I haven't got no job. 217 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:33,040 I'm walking down Piazza del Popolo. Maybe Fellini's going to pick me up. 218 00:13:33,040 --> 00:13:36,160 Maybe he's going to put me in a film. There's always a chance. 219 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,280 I like that about the Romans, no? 220 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,480 I think it's... That's why it's eternal, the city, 221 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,160 because of the people. We say that so many times 222 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,040 It's now time to cook Andrew a classic Roman dish. 223 00:13:58,040 --> 00:14:01,520 Despite the opulent culinary tradition of the rich, 224 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:05,040 the food that survive is the cuisine of the people. 225 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:06,280 Buongiorno. 226 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,760 Simple dishes that have stood the test of time 227 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:12,480 and everything that I need can be found 228 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,040 in one of the city's hidden gems. 229 00:14:15,040 --> 00:14:18,760 Situated on Monteverde hill in south-west Rome, 230 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:23,760 San Giovanni di Dio is one of Rome's most vibrant markets. 231 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,280 I love this great amount of greenery. 232 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:28,520 Greenery everywhere. You see how much? 233 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,280 It's like... This is bietina. 234 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,760 It's like all this different type of spinach. 235 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,960 Very much at the base of what they cook. 236 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:38,040 I mean, you don't see anything that is not seasonal here, do you? 237 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,520 No. It's all grown around the corner. 238 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:43,280 That doesn't say, flown in from Israel. 239 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,640 That's, like, driven in by Enzo this morning. 240 00:14:49,880 --> 00:14:51,120 Andrew. 241 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,520 That's what we want to buy. Oh, the Romanesco! 242 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:57,200 Buongiorno. 243 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,280 Due Romanesco. 244 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,760 One of the main ingredients of my dish 245 00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,280 are these beautiful Romanesco broccoli. 246 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,760 Perfecto. 247 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:09,280 Due carota. 248 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:12,280 Quattordici quarantacinque. 249 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:13,800 Grazie. 250 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:17,760 Next, it's time to buy the main ingredient. 251 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,880 So, what are we going to buy? We're going to buy a razza. 252 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:23,120 It's called arzilla in Rome 253 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:25,040 and it's called skate in England. 254 00:15:25,040 --> 00:15:27,520 All the fish have so many different names. 255 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:29,200 In all, it has about, like, 256 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,040 12 different names in Italy. 257 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,920 Right, right. HE SPEAKS ITALIAN 258 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,040 So, you better get your skates on. 259 00:15:38,040 --> 00:15:41,640 THEY SPEAK ITALIAN 260 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,960 He already knows what I'm going to cook. 261 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:51,360 Which is..? 262 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,440 Pasta broccoli con arzilla. 263 00:15:53,440 --> 00:15:55,320 Pasta broccoli con arzilla. 264 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,840 THEY SPEAK ITALIAN 265 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,040 62 years he's been in the market. 266 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:12,560 Tu sempre questa..? Cento questa. 267 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:15,360 It's 100 years that they've had this stall on this market. 268 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:16,600 Wow. 269 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:23,400 He says, "Do you want some parsley?" 270 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:24,800 because when they serve the fish, 271 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,840 they give you present, a little bit of parsley. 272 00:16:26,840 --> 00:16:28,560 What do you want more than that? 273 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,680 Grazie. Grazie, buona giornata. 274 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,240 So we have everything we need now. 275 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:34,200 Now we have everything we need. 276 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:35,240 So we can go and eat. 277 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,000 Let's go and cook first. 278 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,160 I forgot that bit. 279 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:41,160 I forgot that bit... 280 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:44,280 Una, una... 281 00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:45,520 What are you doing?! 282 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:53,760 Andrew, today I'm going to cook you a dish that 283 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,800 is really steeped in history. 284 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:58,400 I'm going to cook a delicious centuries-old 285 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:00,080 fish soup with vegetables. 286 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,920 Let's start with the fish first. 287 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,400 The skin of the skate is very spiky 288 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,640 so it's important to scrape it 289 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,520 properly under the tap. 290 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:12,000 OK, look, Andrew, I mean, 291 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,720 you can see the wings which are the eatable part. 292 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,520 I'm going to go pretty straightforward in, like that. 293 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:20,680 We're going to go round it. 294 00:17:22,040 --> 00:17:24,320 As you cut you can feel the blade 295 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,200 hitting the bones, so just follow it the length of the fish. 296 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,240 Eugh... 297 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:34,160 You also have to remove the guts, head and tail, 298 00:17:34,160 --> 00:17:38,800 until you're left with just two beautiful wings. 299 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:40,440 OK, so now... 300 00:17:40,440 --> 00:17:43,360 Now they really do look like angel wings, don't they? 301 00:17:43,360 --> 00:17:45,600 Now, this is the most important bit, OK. 302 00:17:45,600 --> 00:17:50,320 The trickiest job is to remove the skin from the wings of the skate. 303 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:55,200 Of course, that's from the electricity department. 304 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,560 Very good. You'd be a really good executioner or torturer, I think. 305 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:00,800 You've got all the skills. 306 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,360 If you carry on like that, chatting, 307 00:18:05,360 --> 00:18:09,680 I'll definitely execute you before the end. 308 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:11,000 So here they are. 309 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:14,520 Usually when you go to the market this is what you get. 310 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:16,720 But you're going to use everything from that, 311 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,560 you're not just going to use the wing, 312 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,320 you're going to use all the bones and everything, to make a stock? 313 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,040 That's what I want to make, a beautiful stock, with that. OK. 314 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:26,400 So...I got my pan. 315 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:30,560 I make the fish stock with carrot, celery, 316 00:18:30,560 --> 00:18:32,920 onions and a couple of bay leaves. 317 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,560 That's what they used to put on Julius Caesar's head, isn't it? 318 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:37,040 That's right. 319 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,480 Bit of peppercorns. 320 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:42,360 And finally, a couple of juniper cloves. 321 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:43,720 Interesting. A couple of them, 322 00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:46,200 just to give them a little bit to sustain the flavour. 323 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:47,520 Interesting. OK. 324 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:56,360 Next, I put the fish bones in with the vegetables, 325 00:18:56,360 --> 00:18:58,600 as well as the two wings. 326 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:00,560 So we put them in, both of them. 327 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:01,840 Oh, you put the wings in too. 328 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,400 That's right. Cold water. 329 00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:08,080 The last thing that goes in there is a little splash of wine. 330 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:11,000 OK. The idea is this... 331 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,760 I'm going to put that on a very tiny fire. 332 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,960 Yeah. And I want it to go fast. 333 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,520 You must remember one thing, that fish bones 334 00:19:19,520 --> 00:19:22,600 release all their flavours in about 20 minutes. 335 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:27,560 So then, if you want to make it strong you have to reduce it. 336 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:29,680 It's all about, like, very 337 00:19:29,680 --> 00:19:33,600 intelligently stealing the flavour out of these things, yeah. 338 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,840 You quite often talk about persuading. 339 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:40,680 Persuading the food to cooperate with you. 340 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:42,280 You have to make it fall in love 341 00:19:42,280 --> 00:19:44,400 with you and you fall in love with it and 342 00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,240 then you make a beautiful thing now together. 343 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,440 As the stock is heating up, it's 344 00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,040 important to skim off any floating froth, 345 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,240 to make sure that it's clear when cooked. 346 00:19:59,720 --> 00:20:04,560 After 15 minutes, we can take the skate wings out and let them rest. 347 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:05,920 Oh! 348 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,200 I lost a little bit. 349 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:09,160 So, I'm going to let that cook. 350 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:10,320 And hold on... 351 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,120 I'm going to show you now what I'm doing. 352 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,440 OK. 353 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,640 We're going to prepare the broccoli. Oh, I love these. Yeah? 354 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:19,800 Such a beautiful thing. 355 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:22,560 Now, I'm going to cut them into really 356 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,480 lovely sort of floret 357 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:26,560 as they call it in English, no? 358 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,720 And some of these will become a little bit more overcooked 359 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,400 and melt away in the sauce. 360 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:33,320 Some of this will be really nice and 361 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:35,240 give you a little crunch, you know. 362 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,560 Next, I start preparing the base for the soup. 363 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:40,840 Bit of olive oil... 364 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,840 Onions, celery, carrots, garlic, the Romanesco broccoli, 365 00:20:44,840 --> 00:20:47,080 and the anchovies. Oo-ooh! 366 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:48,480 And I put it there. 367 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:51,640 OK. I'm going to let 368 00:20:51,640 --> 00:20:54,240 those melt away... 369 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:57,680 ..with it, eh. Mmm, good smell. 370 00:20:59,920 --> 00:21:01,680 Vino, in it. 371 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,400 SIZZLING 372 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,320 You hear that..? HE IMITATES SIZZLING 373 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:08,440 That's what I want. 374 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,120 A few pieces of tomato. 375 00:21:10,120 --> 00:21:14,480 And to give it an absolutely amazing colour, tomato paste. 376 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:25,080 This is my stock. 377 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:30,680 We're going to put some of the stock on that. 378 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:33,840 I'm going to let it cook for at least... 379 00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,360 ..ten minutes. 380 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,160 Time to finish the dish by adding a short type of pasta 381 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,440 that's perfect for soups. 382 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,600 Don't forget to stir it. 383 00:21:44,600 --> 00:21:46,520 You don't want the pasta to stick at the bottom. 384 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:51,600 Oh, so that's the finishing touch. 385 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,040 Oo-oo-ooh! 386 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,320 What a lovely idea for a dish. 387 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,320 OK, you can prepare the table now. 388 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,960 Because we're nearly there, eh. 389 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:07,560 Come, Andrew. Woh-oh... 390 00:22:11,880 --> 00:22:14,200 Oh, the smell is fantastic. 391 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:23,520 Giorgio, that is fantastic. 392 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,320 This is Rome. 393 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:27,600 Intenso, it's intense. 394 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,840 Also, the broccolo adds this really nice flavour 395 00:22:30,840 --> 00:22:32,560 and it adds a little bit of 396 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,640 bitterness to that. Yep. 397 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:38,680 If you came to Rome and you were a pilgrim, not so much money, 398 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:40,200 you might end up eating this. 399 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:43,000 Definitely. That was the staple. 400 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,280 Really? Absolutely. 401 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,440 If you go back in time... 402 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:46,480 That's it. 403 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:51,040 The ideal dish for a tired pilgrim. 404 00:22:51,040 --> 00:22:54,040 Perfected, no wonder, here in Rome. 405 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,080 Following the counterreformation, 406 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:05,160 the Catholic Church did its utmost 407 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,600 to restore Rome's spiritual authority... 408 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,720 ..raising the great dome of St Peter's... 409 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:18,000 ..and building a multitude of other churches as beacons to the faithful. 410 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,400 Thousands of ragged pilgrims in search of redemption 411 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:27,240 flooded the city, making Rome a city of stark contrasts. 412 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:28,400 Rich architecture... 413 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,720 ..alongside desperately poor people, living on the streets... 414 00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080 ..and nobody captured that better than the painter Caravaggio. 415 00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:44,760 I want to show Giorgio two of my favourite paintings... 416 00:23:46,680 --> 00:23:52,320 ..breathtaking works that would give the travellers hope and consolation. 417 00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:56,520 So, Giorgio, this is the burial chapel of Tiberio Cerasi. 418 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,920 He was the principal banker to the Pope, had a lot of money, 419 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,240 but he knew he was dying, 420 00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,760 and so he commissioned the paintings in this chapel, 421 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,800 two of them are by Caravaggio. 422 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,920 This one... 423 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:13,000 ..shows St Peter. 424 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,880 And immediately you are face-to-face 425 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,760 with Caravaggio's great revolution, 426 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:23,400 like Fellini so many years later, to cast the people from the street, 427 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:27,160 from the streets of Rome, and to put them in his paintings. 428 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,680 And he's doing that here, with this terrible scene, 429 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:31,760 the crucifixion of St Peter. 430 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,960 It's almost as if he might have used as his model that poor man, 431 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,200 that beggar that we saw on the steps 432 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,680 of the other church around the corner. 433 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,680 And in his own time these paintings were really shocking. 434 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:46,240 Oh, it's shocking now 435 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:48,000 with the imagery that we are used to 436 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,560 but it's still quite powerful, this one, you know. 437 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:54,800 And that dirty feet it just says so much. 438 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,400 Because Italian painting at that moment, before Caravaggio, 439 00:24:57,400 --> 00:24:59,040 was very artificial, very mannered, 440 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,640 very contrived, 441 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,120 very little smell of reality in it, 442 00:25:03,120 --> 00:25:07,120 and suddenly with Caravaggio you've got Peter's sunburnt face, 443 00:25:07,120 --> 00:25:09,800 his scrawny torso, 444 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,000 his agonised expression, 445 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,840 and Caravaggio's painting it almost 446 00:25:14,840 --> 00:25:18,280 as a grisly scene of hydraulic engineering. 447 00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:19,520 Man driven. 448 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:22,520 You're going to lift him up, put him on the cross. 449 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,080 But I think also Caravaggio's giving hope. 450 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,360 Because this church is the first church 451 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:30,680 that you'd come to when you enter Rome 452 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,720 because that, outside, was once the gate to Rome. 453 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:36,080 Now there's a road outside, but in the past it was fields. 454 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,320 You had dirty feet, you identify yourself with them. 455 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,320 Exactly. Yeah. 456 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:47,400 Cerasi, whose mortuary chapel this is, he was clever. 457 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,520 Not only did he commission Caravaggio to decorate the chapel, 458 00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:56,000 but he also got the leading other painter of Rome at the time, 459 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Annibale Carracci, 460 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:01,960 to paint the main altarpiece. 461 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,840 Below you've got the Apostles 462 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,200 and it shows the moment when the Madonna's soul 463 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:08,960 is assumed into heaven. 464 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,760 Up she rises into the skies. 465 00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:17,200 This is really the dawn of the baroque style. 466 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:22,240 And what the baroque style exists to do is to make us, 467 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:26,440 the worshippers coming to church, feel a little bit smaller, 468 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,840 a little bit on our knees, 469 00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,400 a little bit "Oh!", in awe. 470 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,480 This is a painting that says, "Yes, 471 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:37,320 "you can come here to worship but remember your place." 472 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:40,600 And what's interesting is that the Carracci painting, 473 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:46,360 that was installed before Caravaggio painted his second picture. 474 00:26:46,360 --> 00:26:47,720 And what did he do? 475 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,480 It's this enormous horse. 476 00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:54,920 And he puts the horse's arse in the face... 477 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:58,680 ..of the Virgin of Carracci. 478 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,640 As if to say, 479 00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,720 "This is what I think... 480 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,080 "..of your elevated Christianity." 481 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:07,560 I like this Caravaggio guy. 482 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,280 He's quite cool. He really is. 483 00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:12,840 He's cool, man. 484 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,640 This is St Paul or Saul as he was, 485 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,880 at the moment of his conversion. 486 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,800 That's the subject of the painting. 487 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,080 This is the moment on the road to Damascus 488 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,280 when he becomes a Christian. 489 00:27:27,320 --> 00:27:29,280 Boom, you can hear it. 490 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:30,640 I never fell off the horse. 491 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,880 I fell off a few motorbikes. 492 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:34,080 I never fell off the horse. 493 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,040 But I can, you know, kind of like, 494 00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:39,760 you can see he's been struck and he's almost underneath the horse. 495 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:43,120 Caravaggio means the horse and the groom... 496 00:27:43,120 --> 00:27:44,760 ..who looks a bit like Joseph, 497 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,080 I think to evoke the idea of the Nativity. 498 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:48,560 So you do a kind of double take 499 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:50,960 cos you look down from them and you expect to see 500 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:52,480 the baby Jesus by the manger. 501 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:54,360 But, no, you see Paul. 502 00:27:54,360 --> 00:27:56,480 But then, after you've done the double take, 503 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,360 I think that's when the meaning unfolds. 504 00:27:58,360 --> 00:28:01,200 Because, yes, at this moment of his conversion, 505 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,400 Paul is like the little baby Jesus in the manger. 506 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,040 He's lying helpless on the ground. 507 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,320 And then Caravaggio, with a stroke of genius, I think, 508 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,160 has Paul stretch out his arms, 509 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:19,400 so in the same moment he's also Christ on the cross. 510 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:21,000 So light floods him. 511 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000 He is spiritually enlightened. 512 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,920 It's one of the most amazing pictures in the world. 513 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:32,480 I think this is one of the best painting I ever seen in my life. 514 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,080 He's a communicator... 515 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,720 ..to the people like me. 516 00:28:37,720 --> 00:28:39,800 And that is something that I would 517 00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,240 now come to the church to have a look at that. 518 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,480 So, you vote for Caravaggio? 519 00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:48,200 Due a zero. 520 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:53,520 For centuries after his death, 521 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,600 Caravaggio was sneered at as a crude and vulgar artist. 522 00:29:01,320 --> 00:29:03,440 He was rediscovered partly by 523 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,560 Italian film-makers, including Fellini, 524 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,160 who loved his cinematic use of light 525 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,920 as well as the way he used real people. 526 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,840 And since the mid-20th century, 527 00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:18,840 Caravaggio's reputation has been on the rise. 528 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:22,000 He's now one of the world's best-loved painters. 529 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:31,960 Oh! Oh! 530 00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:33,200 Va bene... 531 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,760 This is the old Roman Way. 532 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,640 Oh, man! Julius Caesar used to come down this road, man. 533 00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:41,720 Got to be excited about it. 534 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:47,360 Rome is the political centre of Italy. 535 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:51,440 Nowhere else will you find so many politician and bureaucrats... 536 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:53,680 ..or so many limousines stuck in traffic. 537 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:59,280 Ordinary Romans are used to rubbing shoulders with those in power 538 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,280 and they are prepared to put up a fight. 539 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,520 GIORGIO SCREAMS 540 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,200 Let's go and have a coffee. 541 00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,000 Romans love nothing more than discussing politics 542 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,880 from their first espresso of the day. 543 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,160 To be the mayor of this town, 544 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:20,400 I think is the hardest job. 545 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,360 Whatever you do, you'll always have someone who says the contrary. 546 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,600 How many bureaucrats are there in Rome? 547 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:27,760 Well, that's the thing. 548 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,080 Quanti burocrati a Roma? 549 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:31,120 Troppi. Troppi! 550 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,120 Too many, too many. 551 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,600 But, at the end of the day, 552 00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:40,400 Rome would be always Rome because of the people of Rome. 553 00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Yeah. You can put as many laws as they want, 554 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,520 but they will do whatever they want, 555 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,400 because they've been doing that for the eternal time. 556 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,480 That's why they've been here for such a long time, 557 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,200 because that's what they do. 558 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,560 They do what they want. 559 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,360 I read in the paper that the 560 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:57,760 highest-paid head of traffic wardens in the world 561 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,280 is the head of the traffic wardens of Rome. 562 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,720 He gets paid more than the President of the United States! 563 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,200 Yeah, exactly, he gets paid, like, half a million pounds. 564 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,960 And, still, everybody parks where they like. 565 00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:12,800 Everybody do what they want. 566 00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:14,960 I want to take Giorgio to see a monument 567 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,480 that hails the moment when Rome first became 568 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:19,800 the centre of modern Italian politics. 569 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:25,000 At the end of the 19th century Italy 570 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,080 was still divided into many states, 571 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:28,320 under different rulers. 572 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:35,040 But in 1861 the Savoy family, under their king, Vittorio Emanuele, 573 00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:40,040 had placed their stamp on the unification of the country. 574 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320 And ten years later declared Rome its capital. 575 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:46,520 For the Roman people, it also meant 576 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,400 the end of over a thousand years of papal rule. 577 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,640 So to celebrate this moment, 578 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,200 and the crowning of Italy's first king... 579 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,400 ..the Vittoriano was erected, 580 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,320 right in the centre of Rome, 581 00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,160 next to the Imperial Forum. 582 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:06,040 What a great beauty. 583 00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,200 Which one? I like these bits. 584 00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,880 I'm not so sure about... 585 00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,160 That big one, over there. 586 00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,880 When you see it in the context of real Roman ruins, 587 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:17,960 I think you get a sense of how... 588 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,440 ..just crazily enormous, 589 00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:22,720 how glaringly white, 590 00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,800 how astonishingly pompous, 591 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,760 is the monument to Vittorio Emanuele. 592 00:32:28,760 --> 00:32:31,400 I mean, this is Vittorio Emanuele coming to Rome, 593 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,680 saying, "Italy, one Italy, under me". 594 00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,840 And he's basically 595 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:42,400 trying to replace Marco Aurelio, Marcus Aurelius, who's in the back, 596 00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:44,520 obscured almost, from the view of the Romans, 597 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,840 by this great white elephant. 598 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,360 With him on his horse, he's saying, "I'm the new emperor." 599 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,120 Yeah. It's the size of a mountain. 600 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:58,400 I mean, I think it's 70 metres high, more than 100 metres across. 601 00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,360 It was inaugurated, I think, in 1912 602 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:03,800 and finished 13 years later, 603 00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:08,800 the greatest job creation scheme in the history of Italian sculpture. 604 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,240 The Roman never liked... 605 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,040 You know what they call this? 606 00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,800 They call it the typewriter. The typewriter? Yes. 607 00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,400 It looks like a typewriter. 608 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:18,280 You know, one of the old ones, that you just... 609 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,080 Swings along. I think that's the whole problem, though, 610 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,920 is that the language that's being typed out on the typewriter is not 611 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,240 really Roman, not Italian. 612 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,000 This is the classicism of Germany. 613 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,280 I mean, it could almost be made of ice. 614 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:35,120 It's glaring, its white, it's enormous, it's like the Valhalla. 615 00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:36,760 This is Wagner, not Verdi. 616 00:33:36,760 --> 00:33:40,920 Yeah. The whiteness really puts it at odds with everything else. 617 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:42,920 Because, I don't know, like, look at those tree, 618 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,080 looks in harmony with the church and things. 619 00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:48,520 You kind of like, the shapes, they're all working, these columns, 620 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,960 and suddenly it's like an eyesore, isn't it? 621 00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,120 Think about the Capitoline Hill is just behind that. 622 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:59,000 So in order to build this, what did they build it on top? 623 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,680 Surely there must be something. 624 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,360 Yeah. No, no, they did, they knocked down some temples, 625 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,920 they covered up a piece of ancient Roman history 626 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,280 to create the modern monument. 627 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,200 I mean, this is absolutely in the centre of the city. 628 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,400 And I think that's again part of the problem the people here 629 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,720 have had accepting it - 630 00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:20,560 they know that this has abolished part of their own history. 631 00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:22,440 And so there he is on his horse, 632 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,000 the new Marcus Aurelius, 633 00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,440 Vittorio Emanuele II, 634 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:26,880 and he's saying, 635 00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,640 "Friends, Romans, countrymen, 636 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:31,120 "lend me your ears", but I think 637 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,320 they never really did lend them their ears. 638 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,160 I really don't like the typewriter. 639 00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,360 But the Savoy family rule wasn't all bad news for Rome. 640 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:48,160 In fact, one of my favourite districts was created under them. 641 00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,920 A place made for the people. 642 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,080 And I really want to show it to Andrew. 643 00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:56,840 At the beginning of the 20th century, 644 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:58,640 from being a sleepy village, 645 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:02,600 Rome rapidly became a frenetic European capital. 646 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,960 The Savoy family started building 647 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,280 social housing for workers such as the Garbatella. 648 00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,440 Once at the very edges of the city, 649 00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:14,360 and now right in the centre, 650 00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,720 only ten minutes by scooter from the Coliseum. 651 00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,440 Here we are, in Garbatella, man. 652 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:24,400 Where are we going, up the steps? 653 00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:25,440 Yeah, let's go up there. 654 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:28,640 Come and have a look at this. 655 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:34,360 Garbatella, garbato, means to be kind, you know. 656 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,520 So this is a place where you're welcome. 657 00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,720 And look, we are in the centre of town. 658 00:35:39,720 --> 00:35:41,240 This is not the Rome that I know. 659 00:35:41,240 --> 00:35:43,240 I mean, this is so peaceful. 660 00:35:43,240 --> 00:35:47,080 Where are the guys on motor scooters, zipping past you? 661 00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,640 Absolutely. But look, the architecture is incredible. 662 00:35:51,640 --> 00:35:54,880 Look at this place. But this is the 1920s. 663 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:59,080 When I see a house like that, I mean, my association is to think, 664 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,520 "Suddenly I am actually in the countryside in Italy." 665 00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,480 Yeah, little patch where you can grow his little basil 666 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,480 and his little potato or tomato. 667 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:09,960 But what I love about it is that it is so Italian. 668 00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,120 It's a little bit chaotic, a little bit unkempt, 669 00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:14,360 but in a very beautiful way. 670 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,760 Like, look where they've got the two pipes presumably were there one time 671 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:19,840 but they haven't bothered to paint it back. 672 00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:21,480 There's the plaster round the window. 673 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,480 This is charm. It's charming, it's lovely. 674 00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,120 It's really like a little paradise. 675 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,640 From the people I've seen living here, 676 00:36:27,640 --> 00:36:30,120 quite a lot of them are getting on a bit now. 677 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,440 It's as if they are part of the original community. 678 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,480 People in their 60s, people in their 70s... 679 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:35,840 You want to live with the people 680 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,480 that you love and you want to die with the people that you love. 681 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,440 Surrounded by it, the sense of community, 682 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,080 makes you feel like a human. 683 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,640 Buongiorno. Buongiorno. 684 00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,000 Qual'e il nomo del tuo cane? Pepe. 685 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,600 Pepe! Buongiorno, Pepe. Cacio e pepe. 686 00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:02,520 Perfect. 687 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,520 Salve. Buongiorno. 688 00:37:08,600 --> 00:37:10,720 In designing the Garbatella, 689 00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:14,920 Rome's urban planners were greatly influenced by the English trend 690 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,680 known as the garden city movement of the early 20th century. 691 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:20,560 So in a way, 692 00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:22,080 this is a Roman version of 693 00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:24,280 Hampstead Garden Suburb in London. 694 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,560 But the character of this village on the edge of the city 695 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,240 will change in the 1920s... 696 00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,040 ..when the fascists came to power. 697 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,480 Fascism and its drive for modernisation 698 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,240 took an iron grip of Italy, 699 00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:45,520 and most of all, Rome. 700 00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,240 Thousands more workers from the countryside flooded into the city. 701 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:57,520 And to house them, a new generation of architects 702 00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:01,840 came up with grander designs and bigger buildings for Garbatella. 703 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,640 You see, Andrew, just round the corner it changes completely. 704 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,120 Wow. And they're just so grand. 705 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:14,480 They are. They're like palaces. 706 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:17,440 This style is called baroquetto. 707 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,080 Baroquetto. 708 00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:21,040 That's right. Which means little Baroque. 709 00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,280 Yeah, baby Baroque. Baby Baroque. 710 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,320 It's fantastic cos it is! That's like a Baroque palace. 711 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,320 Except you see these heads normally on an aristocratic palace. 712 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,160 That's right. But here, the heads 713 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,400 are on the side of a council flat block, 714 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,080 and they're the heads of people from the 1920s, or maybe the 1930s. 715 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:41,760 Look at her little bob hairstyle. 716 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,520 Unbelievable, isn't it? It's fantastic. 717 00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,360 Look, there's something like a gargoyle on the front of the house. 718 00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:50,520 It's not just building. 719 00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:53,920 I can imagine things happening behind those closed windows, 720 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,400 all those little houses with all these little kitchens 721 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,360 and a lot of this lovely food that comes from the countryside, 722 00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:00,520 from the connections. 723 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:02,720 And they have... The market is very alive. 724 00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,000 This is the spirits of Rome, 725 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:07,120 is within these people. 726 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,480 Yeah. You know, everything comes and goes in this city, 727 00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:10,680 everything gets buried, 728 00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,520 it's just the people who stays on top. 729 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:18,600 It's unusual, pretty amazing, really, 730 00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,000 to see a fully working community, 731 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:25,080 almost like a village, right in the middle of the 21st-century city. 732 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:32,200 Garbatella, bella, Andrew. 733 00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:34,160 If I had to live somewhere in Rome, 734 00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:37,240 I would love to live in Garbatella. 735 00:39:37,240 --> 00:39:39,400 I think it fits my style. 736 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,440 Yeah, I can see you, just in your vest, like, cooking outside, maybe. 737 00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,920 Now we're going back onto the cobbles. 738 00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:51,360 Uh-uh-uh-uh-uh... 739 00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:02,320 You can feel the ancient power of the people all over Rome, 740 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,680 even in some unlikely places... 741 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,960 ..such as the palaces of the richest noble families. 742 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:14,760 Because they knew just how hard it was to rule in this fickle town, 743 00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:19,000 they built their palazzi-like fortresses to keep the mob at bay. 744 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,600 And none was more fortress-like than the stunning Palazzo Farnese. 745 00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,960 Palazzo Farnese. What a palace, eh? 746 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,280 It's got 40 windows just on the front. Amazing. 747 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,000 The Farnese family was one of the great forces in Rome 748 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:43,040 from the 15th to the 18th century. 749 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,200 Many military commanders and cardinals, 750 00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,120 two popes and the Queen of Spain 751 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,240 can be found in their family tree. 752 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:57,960 And thanks to their huge riches, 753 00:40:57,960 --> 00:41:00,800 the family constructed the most magnificent 754 00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:03,480 high Renaissance dwelling in all of Rome, 755 00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:06,800 designed by Antonio da Sangallo the Younger, 756 00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,600 and a chap called Michelangelo. 757 00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,320 I'm taking Giorgio to see one particular room 758 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,800 with a truly amazing series of frescoes by Annibale Carracci... 759 00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:26,760 ..the same artist Caravaggio had mocked with the rear end of a horse. 760 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:29,400 Here, Carracci was on top form. 761 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,040 Look at this, the sun has come to greet us. 762 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,320 Now, don't look up, that's the only rule. 763 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,680 OK. You can look at the garden. 764 00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,640 Wow. And we're right in the middle of the row. 765 00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:41,280 In the middle of the row. 766 00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:43,600 OK, now we're going to do it. 767 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,520 OK? OK. 768 00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:48,960 Uno, due... 769 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:50,440 Three. 770 00:41:54,600 --> 00:41:56,360 Wow! 771 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:59,480 Look at that! Look at that. 772 00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,720 Started 1597, finished 1608. 773 00:42:13,720 --> 00:42:16,400 11 years in the making. 774 00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,440 And the theme of the whole thing... 775 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,560 # ..the power of love 776 00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,040 # A force from above. # 777 00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:33,760 Really! That is the subject! 778 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,320 You've got Diana falling in love, 779 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,480 despite her vows of chastity, 780 00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:52,720 falling in love with the shepherd Endymion, sleeping muscle man. 781 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,240 You've got the abduction of Galatea, 782 00:42:57,240 --> 00:43:01,880 you've got Jupiter and Juno. 783 00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,880 We've got Bacchus and Ariadne. 784 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:10,680 And here he is, in his golden carriage drawn by tigers... 785 00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,880 ..with rams, symbols of sex and lust. 786 00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,320 It's almost too much, isn't it? 787 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:19,840 It really, like, is incredible. 788 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:24,880 The figure of the lady is so beautiful, rounded and beautiful. 789 00:43:24,880 --> 00:43:27,800 They're not the model of the modern supermodel, let's put it that way. 790 00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,720 That's for sure. They're not skin and bones. 791 00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:31,640 But they're much more beautiful. 792 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:32,960 It's quite a thing. 793 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,200 And it was all commissioned by a cardinal. 794 00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:37,520 Odoardo Farnese. 795 00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:41,800 Why would a cardinal have something like that in his house? 796 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,040 Well, actually, in the Renaissance, they weren't prudish. 797 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:49,960 There was a tradition of noble families commissioning, 798 00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:52,560 usually on the occasion of a marriage, 799 00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:56,080 quite sexy, secular images. 800 00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,800 Almost like encouragements to procreation. 801 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,680 This is a message from the cardinal to all of his children. 802 00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,960 Right. "This is how you do it, just get on with it." 803 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:09,400 Isn't it? It sounds a little bit like that, doesn't it? 804 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:13,320 Yes, I don't know what that is in Latin, but... 805 00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:18,880 I think what the room as a whole is saying is, "That for us as a dynasty 806 00:44:18,880 --> 00:44:21,600 "to uphold our power, we must breed." 807 00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,920 And something really neat, look at this. 808 00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,680 This is thanks to the French, actually, 809 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,920 who've had this as their embassy for so long, 810 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:32,320 they cleaned this room, 811 00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,880 and look what they found. 812 00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,760 Carracci had actually left some of his sketches. 813 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,880 So when he was making the ceiling, 814 00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:41,360 he was actually doing these little sketches. 815 00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,360 There's actually quite a sad postscript 816 00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:47,480 to the story of this amazing masterpiece. 817 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,480 They cardinal, for whatever reason... 818 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:52,600 ..was a really mean guy, 819 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:55,560 so when Carracci finished and finally asked for his payment... 820 00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:00,440 ..the cardinal got his accountant to do all the sums, 821 00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:04,200 and he said, "Well, "you've been living in the Palace for 11 years, 822 00:45:04,200 --> 00:45:07,520 "so we're going to charge you for the board and lodging. 823 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,760 "So, we're going to pay you £100,000 for doing the picture, 824 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:14,120 "but we're going to deduct £99,500 825 00:45:14,120 --> 00:45:16,680 "because you've been staying in the Palace." No way. 826 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:21,640 Really. They paid him 500 scudi for 11 years' work. 827 00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:26,000 Carracci was so upset, he just falls into this terrible depression, 828 00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:28,440 and then that's the end of him. 829 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,840 He dies, basically, of a broken heart... 830 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:35,080 ..for not being paid. Maybe you should have been his agent, Giorgio. 831 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:37,040 I could have definitely been his chef. 832 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:40,600 The paintings would have been even better! 833 00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:47,200 Eventually, you could say, justice was served. 834 00:45:47,200 --> 00:45:49,800 The family extinguished in 1731 835 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,440 when the last duke, Antonio Farnese, 836 00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:55,200 died without direct heirs. 837 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,880 The Palace has been the French embassy for the last 81 years, 838 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:02,040 keeping Carracci's masterpiece a bit of a secret. 839 00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640 But now the doors are open once a week, 840 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:07,720 and he is gradually being rediscovered. 841 00:46:07,720 --> 00:46:12,080 We really have to have some lunch now, so after the power of love, 842 00:46:12,080 --> 00:46:15,560 I want to remind Andrew of the power of pasta. 843 00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,200 This is one of the classics. 844 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,880 You're going to learn how to make a carbonara. 845 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,280 A real carbonara, Andrew. 846 00:46:23,320 --> 00:46:24,760 We are heading to Roscioli, 847 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,640 a small restaurant that's been in the same family 848 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,040 for four generations. 849 00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,480 Nabil, the cook, is waiting for us. 850 00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,440 This is Nabil. Salve, Nabil. 851 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,720 Nabil cooks the best carbonara in the world, 852 00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:40,120 I'm telling you. 853 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,480 So, what makes the Roman carbonara different 854 00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:47,000 from the one that we might eat in a restaurant in London? 855 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,000 That. 856 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,280 GIORGIO AND NABIL DISCUSS INGREDIENTS IN ITALIAN 857 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,280 You don't use any belly, 858 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:56,840 you use the cheek, 859 00:46:56,840 --> 00:46:58,560 the end of the cheek and the neck. 860 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,400 And when you give a recipe with bacon, you make a big mistake, 861 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:02,960 because the consistency of this 862 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:05,280 when it's cooked is a completely different one 863 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,480 than the bacon would be. 864 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,200 So, rule number one, never cook a carbonara with bacon. 865 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,520 I think a lot of people would be quite surprised by that. 866 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,280 Rule number one. No bacon, no pancetta. 867 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,680 The spaghetti are the main ingredient, obviously. 868 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:20,760 They've been dried, you know, like that. 869 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,600 So they are just going to cross. 870 00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:24,280 But touch the spaghetti. 871 00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:26,600 They're rough. Can you feel the roughness of that? 872 00:47:26,600 --> 00:47:28,120 Oh, yeah, yeah. 873 00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,720 Trafilatura al bronzo. 874 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:33,280 That means the sauce, which is kind of, like the eggs, 875 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:36,680 is cooked and kind of a bit creamy, it will stick to it. 876 00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:41,320 A really hot pan. 877 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,680 No oil, nothing. 878 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,120 Just the guanciale in it. 879 00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:51,440 You see, it is screaming already. Yeah. 880 00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:55,040 OK, very crispy on the outside and really tender inside, 881 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,520 and when you bite into that, you have an explosion, 882 00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:00,800 an explosion of flavour in your mouth. 883 00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:04,840 Alora. 884 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:09,080 Turning the spaghetti, very important, don't let them lie down. 885 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,560 Yes. He is going to prepare the eggs now. 886 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:14,040 OK, the base. 887 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,520 One egg yolk, and then a little bit of egg white, 888 00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:24,800 because it becomes more foamy if he does that. 889 00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:26,160 Beautiful eggs as well. 890 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,600 Parmesan and Pecorino mixed together. 891 00:48:31,720 --> 00:48:34,000 Two nice pinch, pepper. 892 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:36,680 They love pepper in Rome. 893 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,800 Very important. Toasted Sarawak pepper. 894 00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:39,840 That is so important. 895 00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:42,720 That is the base. 896 00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,840 OK? So no garlic, no bacon? 897 00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,840 No! Are you crazy? 898 00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:50,520 Don't start to do the American way. 899 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:52,560 Do not think about putting too many things in it. 900 00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,720 It is very essential, it is very clean, it is very neat. 901 00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:00,240 He judges the pasta just with the eye? 902 00:49:00,240 --> 00:49:01,400 Just by looking at it. 903 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:02,840 He just looks at the pasta, 904 00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,080 he doesn't need a timer or anything like that. 905 00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:07,920 Look what he's doing now. 906 00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,560 OK. 907 00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,720 A little bit of the guanciale in. 908 00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,400 A little bit of the fat. 909 00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:17,880 Yeah. 910 00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,280 A little bit of that. 911 00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,640 Water and the fat that is going to make it creamy. 912 00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,840 Rule three. No cream! 913 00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:32,520 No cream. And as the spaghetti goes in, a little bit wet, you see? 914 00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,800 He left them a little bit wet. 915 00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:35,840 Yeah. 916 00:49:38,040 --> 00:49:39,480 This is vital, you see? 917 00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:42,240 The cooking water, which already got salt. 918 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,400 Do you notice we have not seasoned anything? 919 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,240 Look, look what he's doing. 920 00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,120 So he knows now by touching the edge, 921 00:49:49,120 --> 00:49:52,440 he knows now the eggs is creamy and is cooked. 922 00:49:55,280 --> 00:50:00,640 Beautiful. A bit of cheese around and a little bit of pepper on top. 923 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,760 Wow. Wow. That looks... 924 00:50:05,720 --> 00:50:07,640 Carbonara di Roscioli. Grazie. 925 00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:18,720 Wow, that looks... 926 00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:26,920 I am not leaving this here. 927 00:50:26,920 --> 00:50:28,840 He is not going to let me have any. 928 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,560 You must try to convey to everybody the flavour here, 929 00:50:32,560 --> 00:50:34,480 that really hint of pepper, 930 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,400 the cheese and the creaminess of the eggs, 931 00:50:37,400 --> 00:50:41,640 almost like a fluid mayonnaise or a Bearnaise or a Hollandaise... 932 00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,040 That's what you are trying to do. 933 00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:47,000 And then this absolute explosion of 934 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,480 almost like a farmyard taste, 935 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,440 that explosion of the guanciale. 936 00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:53,600 Unbelievable. 937 00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:55,120 Buonissimo. 938 00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:58,040 Grazie. Grazie. 939 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:01,920 This was a masterclass on carbonara. 940 00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:03,880 It was just! 941 00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:05,480 Thank you. 942 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,440 You know, Giorgio, 943 00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480 if you give me one more plate of pasta, 944 00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:20,800 we are going to have to buy a bigger motorbike. 945 00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:30,400 We are going to finish our journey in modern Rome, 946 00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,120 the Rome of the 20th century. 947 00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:37,760 The most famous Italian dictator in living memory 948 00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:39,280 was Benito Mussolini... 949 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,040 ..a man whose granite jaw and megaphone rhetoric 950 00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,880 was only matched by his severe architecture. 951 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,840 You can still see his buildings all over Rome, 952 00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:54,520 buildings that shouted at the Italian people, 953 00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,200 telling them to work harder, 954 00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,480 to be on time, 955 00:51:57,480 --> 00:52:00,640 to leave the past behind and go to war. 956 00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:09,360 But in this great city of the people, Mussolini had his opponents, 957 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,520 even if their voices weren't always heard. 958 00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:15,400 For proof of that, I am taking Giorgio to 959 00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:17,320 the Gallery of Modern Art where 960 00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:21,360 they have some of my favourite works of art from the dark, fascist years. 961 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:38,120 Here, we can still see another side of Rome, 962 00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:42,920 the one that never submitted to fascism and Mussolini. 963 00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:49,520 Look at this figure - 964 00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:53,680 Attilio Torresini's sculpture called Riposo, At Rest, 965 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:57,360 but she looks almost as if she might be eavesdropping on us. 966 00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,280 She looks so... 967 00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,240 ..beautiful and so unsexualised, but beautiful. 968 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,840 And something slightly sad about her, I think. 969 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,120 I think there's an air of melancholy. 970 00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:10,880 You think it is melancholic? 971 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:12,160 Maybe I am reading that in. 972 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:15,840 I mean, I know that the sculpture was made in 1939. 973 00:53:15,840 --> 00:53:17,520 So I just have this feeling that 974 00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:20,960 maybe there's the intimations of war, there is some sense of... 975 00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:22,920 That is a beautiful Italian girl. 976 00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:24,720 ..trouble ahead. 977 00:53:24,720 --> 00:53:26,680 Well, if we're talking melancholy, 978 00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:29,080 vieni con me cos one of 979 00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:33,160 the masterpieces of Italian melancholy is in the next room. 980 00:53:39,120 --> 00:53:41,440 This is what has been arranged for us, 981 00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:47,000 a private screening of the masterpiece of Massimo Campigli 982 00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:48,720 and it's just a wonderful... 983 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,880 So we can sit down? We can sit down. 984 00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,840 The film has started already. 985 00:53:52,840 --> 00:53:56,560 It is called The Fishermen's Wives. 986 00:53:56,560 --> 00:53:58,000 It is an oil painting, 987 00:53:58,000 --> 00:53:59,840 but it is a bit like a fresco. 988 00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:01,440 The forms are very simple, 989 00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,400 they are very solemn, they are very monumental. 990 00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,640 There is something of the solemnity of a religious painting. 991 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:09,880 These women are waiting. 992 00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,680 You see, there they are on the left, 993 00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:13,680 they are just holding each other. 994 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,560 The picture was painted in 1935, 995 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,560 so, again, fascism was at its height. 996 00:54:22,560 --> 00:54:26,480 What could be less fascist than this? 997 00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:33,480 Beautiful picture. So the sorrow of the person who loses their husband, 998 00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:37,880 it is almost like saying, "Don't allow your kids to go to war. 999 00:54:37,880 --> 00:54:39,240 "They never come back." 1000 00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:41,040 I think this is why this is a painting 1001 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:44,520 that once you start looking at it, it does catch in your throat. 1002 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,200 And I think, I mean, are those the colours of Italy in the middle? 1003 00:54:48,200 --> 00:54:50,640 Are those the colours of...? Well, there is a bit of green, 1004 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,200 there is some red, there is some white. 1005 00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:56,480 He enlisted, in the First World War in 1916, 1006 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:59,440 but then during the war and immediately after the war, 1007 00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:01,680 he was so horrified by all of that 1008 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,160 he said, "I am now forever going to be a pacifist." 1009 00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,160 But I think it is important to look at these artists 1010 00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:09,200 because, as so often in history, 1011 00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,400 the people who make the most noise, 1012 00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,680 and the future is with Marinetti as their spokesman banging his drum, 1013 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:16,920 and Mussolini with his megaphone, 1014 00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,800 everybody knows about them, 1015 00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,160 but nobody knows about these artists. 1016 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:22,640 It is a much quieter voice, 1017 00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,560 but it is the voice of conscience. 1018 00:55:24,560 --> 00:55:26,400 I think it is a truthful voice. 1019 00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,880 You know, it makes me think, 1020 00:55:27,880 --> 00:55:30,520 what could have been if there was more people like him? 1021 00:55:30,520 --> 00:55:33,360 It would have never happened, that Second World War, 1022 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:36,160 they would have never did what they did to each other. 1023 00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:37,360 It was just terrible. 1024 00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:39,480 And these guys were absolutely right. 1025 00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:44,800 Maybe in the end, 1026 00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:46,280 that is what artists are for. 1027 00:55:46,280 --> 00:55:50,240 To make... To see what we don't see. 1028 00:55:50,240 --> 00:55:51,440 Si. 1029 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,400 We are at the end of our journey 1030 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,200 through a city that is defined by its people. 1031 00:56:04,200 --> 00:56:08,040 So where better to finish than with a work of public art? 1032 00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,760 Proclaiming the eternal might of Rome 1033 00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,760 on the wall of a modern building. 1034 00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:17,400 Look what they have put on the side of the apartment block, 1035 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:22,920 this huge, fantastic, I think, mural of a wolf, the symbol of Rome. 1036 00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,120 It is unbelievable. 1037 00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:26,920 It is so real, isn't it? 1038 00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:29,040 You can almost hear it snarling. 1039 00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:33,200 I love the hairs and I love it when the evening sun catches it, 1040 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:38,120 the wolf is there and this ordinary building suddenly becomes, wow! 1041 00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:43,760 What things did you like the best of the things that we saw on this trip? 1042 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,120 The Caravaggio? 1043 00:56:45,120 --> 00:56:48,680 Well, those ones were unforgettable, man. 1044 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,520 And that St Paul... 1045 00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,080 ..and the story of the asses, 1046 00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:58,080 everybody showed their ass to each other, that was fantastic. 1047 00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,360 Another popular thing that I really liked about was the Garbatella. 1048 00:57:01,360 --> 00:57:03,440 Oh! That was so beautiful. 1049 00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:10,000 I remember also, the crunch of the guanciale in the carbonara, 1050 00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:11,840 the perfect carbonara. 1051 00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,240 If you were going to feed that wolf anything, 1052 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:17,480 you would give him a really big piece of that guanciale. 1053 00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:20,880 This is the wolf of the people, 1054 00:57:20,880 --> 00:57:24,480 aggressive and opinionated 1055 00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:27,240 and Roman to the core. 1056 00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:28,720 I like that kind of Rome, 1057 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,440 I like Rome that stays alive through the people. 1058 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,520 And, you know, the Pope comes and change, 1059 00:57:33,520 --> 00:57:36,360 and the President comes and change, the King comes and change, 1060 00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,800 but the people of Rome, are still the people of Rome. 1061 00:57:40,160 --> 00:57:42,120 They are the one who rules. 1062 00:57:42,120 --> 00:57:44,120 They really are. You remember that one? 1063 00:57:44,120 --> 00:57:45,800 SPQR. 1064 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:49,640 Senatus Populusque Romanus. 1065 00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,400 I think it is dinner time. 1066 00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,160 And you know, in Rome, dinner is always quite good, isn't it? 1067 00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,480 Not bad. Not bad. 1068 00:58:00,320 --> 00:58:04,240 Next time, we uncover more of the hidden Rome. 1069 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:07,080 If you look in the middle, staring out at us, 1070 00:58:07,080 --> 00:58:09,640 a painting of the first century AD, 1071 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:11,600 and there are not many of those. 1072 00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:13,880 So this is a kidney sandwich. 1073 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:17,080 We try centuries-old traditions. 1074 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,880 Oh, mamma mia. We tasted Roman-ity. 1075 00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,600 And we pay a visit to one of Rome's greatest art collections. 1076 00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:30,360 Not a bad room to have a party in. 1077 00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,200 The Open University has produced a free guide to interesting places 1078 00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:35,960 to visit while you are in Rome. 1079 00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,480 To order your free copy, please call... 1080 00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,120 Or go to the website... 1081 00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,040 ..and follow the link to the Open University. 134577

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