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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:13,500 --> 00:00:16,620 In no other modern country has the forest feeling 2 00:00:16,620 --> 00:00:18,940 remained as alive as it has in Germany. 3 00:00:20,780 --> 00:00:24,740 Each individual tree is always taller than a man 4 00:00:24,740 --> 00:00:27,060 and goes on growing until it becomes a giant. 5 00:00:28,820 --> 00:00:32,740 Its steadfastness has much in common with the same virtue in a warrior. 6 00:00:35,060 --> 00:00:36,660 The German took the rigidity 7 00:00:36,660 --> 00:00:39,300 and straightness of trees for his own law. 8 00:00:50,140 --> 00:00:53,940 In September 2010, on a train crossing the border from 9 00:00:53,940 --> 00:00:58,620 Switzerland to Germany, an old man was searched by customs officials. 10 00:00:58,620 --> 00:01:01,420 They found 9,000 euros in cash. 11 00:01:07,460 --> 00:01:11,260 Their suspicions would be the start of a journey back in time - 12 00:01:11,260 --> 00:01:14,060 to a hoard of art hidden away since the Third Reich. 13 00:01:17,100 --> 00:01:20,740 It has reignited passions that seemed long spent. 14 00:01:21,940 --> 00:01:24,620 The art we are talking about is covered in blood. 15 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:29,260 Sadness, tragedy, brutality - 16 00:01:29,260 --> 00:01:31,860 all those terrible experiences that people had. 17 00:01:32,940 --> 00:01:36,100 These weren't old masters but new - 18 00:01:36,100 --> 00:01:38,180 works which the Nazis came to regard 19 00:01:38,180 --> 00:01:42,140 as just as sickly and degenerate as the Jews themselves. 20 00:01:42,140 --> 00:01:44,460 They tried to wipe out both. 21 00:01:46,820 --> 00:01:49,540 When you're walking through a great museum, 22 00:01:49,540 --> 00:01:53,620 it's possible that a painting you're walking by and looking at was stolen 23 00:01:53,620 --> 00:01:58,300 from a Jewish family and you'll never know it and they can't talk. 24 00:02:01,980 --> 00:02:04,580 Every one of these paintings has a story 25 00:02:04,580 --> 00:02:06,580 and each story means something. 26 00:02:30,180 --> 00:02:33,740 It was on this street in a quiet, well-to-do neighbourhood in Munich 27 00:02:33,740 --> 00:02:35,100 in November last year, 28 00:02:35,100 --> 00:02:39,140 that a scandal erupted that rocked the art world 29 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:42,980 and which has implications that will resonate for years to come. 30 00:02:45,300 --> 00:02:48,700 Investigations of the man on the train brought the police 31 00:02:48,700 --> 00:02:53,340 to that flat, where over 1,000 priceless artworks were unearthed. 32 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:56,500 They'd been squirreled away for over half a century. 33 00:02:58,220 --> 00:03:02,660 And much of it was suspected to be Nazi-looted art. 34 00:03:03,500 --> 00:03:07,780 Amazingly, the German authorities then kept their discovery secret. 35 00:03:10,420 --> 00:03:14,660 It only became public at all because it was leaked to a news magazine. 36 00:03:14,660 --> 00:03:18,340 They revealed that it was the Nazis' art dealer, Hildebrand Gurlitt, 37 00:03:18,340 --> 00:03:20,860 who had amassed this collection of modern art, 38 00:03:20,860 --> 00:03:23,980 including Matisse, Monet and Picasso. 39 00:03:26,340 --> 00:03:29,220 The man who hid himself away along with the pictures 40 00:03:29,220 --> 00:03:32,180 was his son, Cornelius Gurlitt. 41 00:03:32,180 --> 00:03:34,980 A strange, rather sad-looking man. 42 00:03:34,980 --> 00:03:38,620 Sad, perhaps, because of the weight of history on his shoulders. 43 00:03:42,100 --> 00:03:45,580 It was all over the news, especially in Germany. 44 00:03:45,580 --> 00:03:49,620 TRANSLATION: Two days after the revelations 45 00:03:49,620 --> 00:03:51,260 about the Munich art find, 46 00:03:51,260 --> 00:03:54,380 the State Prosecutor's Office has made an announcement 47 00:03:54,380 --> 00:03:57,260 about its proceedings against Cornelius Gurlitt. 48 00:04:00,100 --> 00:04:04,060 In February 2012, customs investigators rang the doorbell 49 00:04:04,060 --> 00:04:05,380 with a search warrant. 50 00:04:08,100 --> 00:04:10,780 An art collection thought to be worth a billion euros 51 00:04:10,780 --> 00:04:13,980 was not what they were expecting to find. 52 00:04:13,980 --> 00:04:17,860 It took three days to pack up some 1,500 artworks 53 00:04:17,860 --> 00:04:19,260 ready to take them away. 54 00:04:36,340 --> 00:04:39,420 It was quite painful for many families. 55 00:04:39,420 --> 00:04:43,660 It opened up this hope of recovering their art, which had been 56 00:04:43,660 --> 00:04:46,700 dormant for so long, because they tried and tried and tried 57 00:04:46,700 --> 00:04:49,540 after the war. Every country that they'd asked had said, 58 00:04:49,540 --> 00:04:51,540 "We've no idea where it is", 59 00:04:51,540 --> 00:04:54,380 and suddenly, here was this treasure trove. 60 00:04:55,620 --> 00:04:59,900 I call these paintings the last prisoners of World War II. 61 00:04:59,900 --> 00:05:03,340 Every piece of art that was stolen from Jewish families 62 00:05:03,340 --> 00:05:04,820 is connected with a death. 63 00:05:06,700 --> 00:05:09,620 The people, the collectors who had them, most of them died. 64 00:05:11,100 --> 00:05:13,540 TRANSLATION: Why the State Prosecutor's Office 65 00:05:13,540 --> 00:05:15,900 hid the discoveries from the public for almost two years 66 00:05:15,900 --> 00:05:17,740 remains their secret. 67 00:05:26,060 --> 00:05:27,820 David Toren was still a boy 68 00:05:27,820 --> 00:05:31,140 when his family lost the painting, Two Riders on a Beach. 69 00:05:31,140 --> 00:05:32,540 A little closer. 70 00:05:32,540 --> 00:05:33,780 Good. 71 00:05:36,460 --> 00:05:39,700 I'll let you go across that one... 72 00:05:39,700 --> 00:05:42,980 When it was announced it had been found but not returned, 73 00:05:42,980 --> 00:05:46,380 a well-wisher sent David, now blind, this 3D version. 74 00:05:49,500 --> 00:05:55,500 One picture I remember had two horses with people riding on sand. 75 00:05:55,500 --> 00:06:01,860 He has come out. That's the one I used to look at. 76 00:06:10,940 --> 00:06:14,380 When that press conference happened, what was your reaction? 77 00:06:14,380 --> 00:06:16,780 I was elated. 78 00:06:16,780 --> 00:06:22,940 But I was also angry when I heard that they had been dilly-dallying 79 00:06:22,940 --> 00:06:28,620 18 months, knowing that the heirs to the owners, 80 00:06:28,620 --> 00:06:30,660 like me, are old people. 81 00:06:32,100 --> 00:06:33,900 18 months is a long time. 82 00:06:38,220 --> 00:06:44,220 Since then, since that press conference, I dream. 83 00:06:44,220 --> 00:06:48,780 And I dream all kind of things that happened in my childhood, 84 00:06:50,620 --> 00:06:57,500 which I thought had disappeared from my memory, they come back. 85 00:07:04,820 --> 00:07:10,060 I liked to sit in front of that picture 86 00:07:10,060 --> 00:07:15,020 which was in a small room next to a winter garden. 87 00:07:16,620 --> 00:07:18,700 A kind of indoor garden. 88 00:07:18,700 --> 00:07:23,780 There was a little room ahead of that 89 00:07:23,780 --> 00:07:26,540 and there were chairs to sit on 90 00:07:26,540 --> 00:07:31,220 and I sat in one of those chairs and looked at the picture 91 00:07:31,220 --> 00:07:33,420 and I liked that, because I liked horses. 92 00:07:39,340 --> 00:07:42,420 The paintings were owned by his great-uncle David, 93 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,420 a successful businessman. 94 00:07:46,660 --> 00:07:51,020 What kind of a man was David Friedman, your great-uncle? 95 00:07:51,020 --> 00:07:57,420 He was a very, business-wise, aggressive man, 96 00:07:57,420 --> 00:08:02,540 but privately, rather sweet and meek. 97 00:08:02,540 --> 00:08:04,100 Didn't talk much. 98 00:08:09,220 --> 00:08:14,900 Half a year, he lived on his agricultural estates. 99 00:08:14,900 --> 00:08:16,620 Lots of land. 100 00:08:17,740 --> 00:08:20,340 There were about 10,000 acres. 101 00:08:26,300 --> 00:08:30,780 He had been in business with my grandfather. 102 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:34,580 They had had a brick factory together. 103 00:08:34,580 --> 00:08:36,420 I don't know what happened to that. 104 00:08:38,260 --> 00:08:43,780 There were lots of people around with the cows and the horses 105 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:50,420 and the pigs, and some guy taught me how to ride. 106 00:08:53,460 --> 00:08:56,740 I was small at that time, I liked it. 107 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:08,700 The painter of Two Riders on the Beach, Max Liebermann, 108 00:09:08,700 --> 00:09:13,220 was probably the most successful German artist of his time. 109 00:09:13,220 --> 00:09:19,260 He had this summer house built in 1910 and designed its gardens. 110 00:09:19,260 --> 00:09:22,100 It was on the banks of the fashionable Lake Wannsee, 111 00:09:22,100 --> 00:09:24,060 just outside Berlin. 112 00:09:28,860 --> 00:09:31,580 It was possible at the time for a Jewish artist 113 00:09:31,580 --> 00:09:34,900 to be absolutely at the heart of the German establishment. 114 00:09:37,340 --> 00:09:41,860 In 1884, he married Martha, whom he often painted. 115 00:09:41,860 --> 00:09:45,260 He was hugely influenced by his French contemporaries. 116 00:09:49,660 --> 00:09:52,860 He had a collection of French Impressionist paintings, I gather? 117 00:09:52,860 --> 00:09:54,420 Yes, he loved the French. 118 00:09:54,420 --> 00:10:00,460 He was very inspired by the French painters, especially by Manet, 119 00:10:00,460 --> 00:10:02,860 he loved Manet's painting, 120 00:10:02,860 --> 00:10:05,420 and he had in his collection 121 00:10:05,420 --> 00:10:09,020 around about 17 paintings of this French master. 122 00:10:09,020 --> 00:10:11,860 Of Manet? Of Manet. Amazing. 123 00:10:11,860 --> 00:10:17,940 And he has all those paintings by Degas and other Impressionists. 124 00:10:19,820 --> 00:10:23,300 He's a Jewish painter, he's also a great collector 125 00:10:23,300 --> 00:10:26,740 with very good taste, and this house is full of paintings. 126 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:29,580 He was president of the Prussian Academy, 127 00:10:29,580 --> 00:10:32,420 he was a grand gentleman of the arts and culture. 128 00:10:32,420 --> 00:10:35,660 Indeed. He was a citizen of honour of Berlin 129 00:10:35,660 --> 00:10:40,940 and he has all awards you can imagine. 130 00:10:40,940 --> 00:10:46,180 After '33, all that awards, all that honour, meant nothing 131 00:10:46,180 --> 00:10:47,620 because he was a Jew. 132 00:10:55,940 --> 00:10:58,780 Another German art collector whose work was to fall 133 00:10:58,780 --> 00:11:03,500 into the hands of Hildebrand Gurlitt was Sophie Lissitsky-Kueppers. 134 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:06,980 Sophie was not Jewish, though her second marriage would be to a Jew, 135 00:11:06,980 --> 00:11:11,540 El Lissitsky, one of the great figures of Russian constructivism. 136 00:11:16,460 --> 00:11:19,820 As a young woman she bought Paul Klee's Swamp Legend, 137 00:11:19,820 --> 00:11:23,580 just one of a vast collection which would be stolen from her. 138 00:11:26,820 --> 00:11:28,780 She ended up banished to Siberia 139 00:11:28,780 --> 00:11:31,900 while art dealers and museum directors in Germany 140 00:11:31,900 --> 00:11:33,780 made hay with her art collection. 141 00:11:37,420 --> 00:11:41,260 Sophie's granddaughter Anita and her daughter Marita 142 00:11:41,260 --> 00:11:44,060 are now fighting to get her pictures back. 143 00:11:44,060 --> 00:11:47,980 They live near Dresden, in former East Germany. 144 00:11:47,980 --> 00:11:51,460 TRANSLATION: The photo, the ancient photo. 145 00:11:54,300 --> 00:11:58,020 That's the only photo we still have of my grandmother and me, 146 00:11:58,020 --> 00:12:00,340 the first time she came to see us in Dresden. 147 00:12:03,780 --> 00:12:05,660 She was a proper, nice granny. 148 00:12:07,460 --> 00:12:08,900 I was still a child, 149 00:12:08,900 --> 00:12:12,300 and I was really happy to finally have a second grandmother. 150 00:12:16,820 --> 00:12:19,180 She was very cultured but also very natural. 151 00:12:22,740 --> 00:12:27,060 Simply this nice, elderly lady, just as you imagine such a person 152 00:12:27,060 --> 00:12:31,620 to be, without saying anyone wasn't on her level. That wasn't her way. 153 00:12:36,540 --> 00:12:39,380 These toys here came from our granny Sophie, 154 00:12:39,380 --> 00:12:41,900 from far away Russia, I was told. 155 00:12:47,620 --> 00:12:50,740 This hare always fascinated me, so as a child 156 00:12:50,740 --> 00:12:51,660 I really loved it. 157 00:12:55,180 --> 00:12:57,340 It's also a wonderful memory of a woman 158 00:12:57,340 --> 00:13:01,220 I never met, but who nevertheless played a big role in my childhood. 159 00:13:03,420 --> 00:13:06,380 Art runs through her whole life like a red thread. 160 00:13:06,380 --> 00:13:10,340 She never deviated from that and she sacrificed a lot for that. 161 00:13:10,340 --> 00:13:12,220 She always trod her own path. 162 00:13:16,340 --> 00:13:20,020 She was a stubborn child and young lady who knew very well 163 00:13:20,020 --> 00:13:24,100 what she wanted, and her life was all about art. 164 00:13:25,900 --> 00:13:29,540 Whenever she had trouble with her mother who had different ideas 165 00:13:29,540 --> 00:13:33,620 for her in mind, she would flee into the Alte Pinakothek. 166 00:13:39,180 --> 00:13:43,420 She would dive into the world of Old Masters. 167 00:13:43,420 --> 00:13:46,980 She would strengthen herself by looking at these pictures, 168 00:13:48,060 --> 00:13:50,820 It was really her world. 169 00:13:51,860 --> 00:13:55,100 She particularly liked the Rubens. 170 00:13:58,180 --> 00:14:02,060 When her mother tried to forbid her to study the history of art, 171 00:14:02,060 --> 00:14:04,660 she would move the world to do it anyhow. 172 00:14:12,180 --> 00:14:15,340 She met Paul Kueppers, her later husband, in Munich, 173 00:14:15,340 --> 00:14:17,620 where he studied as well. 174 00:14:17,620 --> 00:14:21,540 They were both focused on Old Masters in the first place, 175 00:14:21,540 --> 00:14:24,300 but they very soon turned to modern art. 176 00:14:31,700 --> 00:14:34,700 Sophie's family was against the relationship 177 00:14:34,700 --> 00:14:36,740 because of his poor health. 178 00:14:36,740 --> 00:14:41,660 Sophie and Paul had to keep their relationship secret. 179 00:14:41,660 --> 00:14:45,780 So they would go to the gardens of the Nymphenburg Castle. 180 00:14:45,780 --> 00:14:48,140 It has a Versailles-like entrance, 181 00:14:48,140 --> 00:14:50,820 but then you find all these hidden walkways. 182 00:14:50,820 --> 00:14:53,820 They would meet without being seen. 183 00:14:53,820 --> 00:14:56,420 We can only guess what they were talking about, 184 00:14:56,420 --> 00:14:58,100 but must have been art! 185 00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:03,860 I started to work on this subject, actually out of anger, 186 00:15:03,860 --> 00:15:08,060 about the way the press reported restitution cases. 187 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:12,940 It was all about how Jewish heirs want to make money out of the past, 188 00:15:12,940 --> 00:15:16,460 want to rob German museums or Austrian museums 189 00:15:16,460 --> 00:15:20,020 and nobody really asked where these pictures came from, 190 00:15:20,020 --> 00:15:21,940 to whom they belonged in the past. 191 00:15:21,940 --> 00:15:26,340 And, really, we wanted to give a face to these art collectors and to what 192 00:15:26,340 --> 00:15:30,220 they achieved in the past before they were being robbed by the Nazis. 193 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:33,620 Their gallery was their home. 194 00:15:33,620 --> 00:15:36,500 The walls of their rented flat in Hannover. 195 00:15:36,500 --> 00:15:40,060 They didn't have money, really, but Sophie inherited some money 196 00:15:40,060 --> 00:15:44,100 from her uncle and she spent it immediately into modern art. 197 00:15:44,100 --> 00:15:45,820 So they were really addicts. 198 00:15:47,540 --> 00:15:51,900 Instead of a deer head hanging over the fireplace there was a Kandinsky. 199 00:15:53,740 --> 00:15:56,420 For many people, that must have been unsettling. 200 00:15:56,420 --> 00:15:59,340 Lots of these pictures that we're still searching for 201 00:15:59,340 --> 00:16:03,100 were gifts to her from the artists. 202 00:16:03,100 --> 00:16:05,220 Or they bought them from the artists 203 00:16:05,220 --> 00:16:07,380 so the artists could make a living. 204 00:16:07,380 --> 00:16:11,020 It wasn't the case that they got rich from their pictures, 205 00:16:11,020 --> 00:16:13,220 For example, the Klee. 206 00:16:15,820 --> 00:16:18,940 "Paul Klee, whom we both adored," said Sophie. 207 00:16:20,780 --> 00:16:23,820 Klee was an artist-in-residence in Munich 208 00:16:23,820 --> 00:16:27,420 in the early 1920s, and he had a studio in a castle. 209 00:16:30,020 --> 00:16:34,020 Sophie and Paul Kueppers were coming from Hannover to Munich 210 00:16:34,020 --> 00:16:36,620 especially to visit him 211 00:16:36,620 --> 00:16:40,300 and they bought the Swamp Legend straight from his studio. 212 00:16:43,060 --> 00:16:45,700 And he dedicated it especially to them. 213 00:16:49,420 --> 00:16:52,900 "Everything is strange here, entwined with childhood dreams," 214 00:16:52,900 --> 00:16:54,500 said her husband. 215 00:16:54,500 --> 00:16:58,780 "Secrets are embedded in the scribbled, twitching lines." 216 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:02,220 "But for anyone who doesn't feel its beauty in his heart, 217 00:17:02,220 --> 00:17:04,380 "words are but an empty echo." 218 00:17:07,060 --> 00:17:10,860 Sophie had the expertise, really, to be a museum director, 219 00:17:10,860 --> 00:17:14,780 but it was impossible in her times, as a woman, to be put 220 00:17:14,780 --> 00:17:19,060 in this position, so she was really very disappointed. 221 00:17:19,060 --> 00:17:22,100 It was the avant-garde scene of the time, 222 00:17:22,100 --> 00:17:24,860 really opening up Germany 223 00:17:24,860 --> 00:17:29,660 for a completely new understanding of art. 224 00:17:36,140 --> 00:17:38,340 But their charmed life came to an end. 225 00:17:40,980 --> 00:17:44,260 With rampant inflation in Germany, their money dissolved, 226 00:17:44,260 --> 00:17:47,500 said Sophie, "Into the thin air, like soap bubbles." 227 00:17:50,580 --> 00:17:52,780 Her husband Paul died of TB. 228 00:17:55,380 --> 00:17:58,300 Sophie grew close to one of the many Russian artists 229 00:17:58,300 --> 00:18:00,500 who used to drop in to their open house. 230 00:18:02,980 --> 00:18:06,300 TRANSLATION: Soon after the death of her husband, Paul, 231 00:18:06,300 --> 00:18:08,740 Sophie fell in love with El Lissitzky 232 00:18:08,740 --> 00:18:10,860 and decided to follow him to Moscow. 233 00:18:14,740 --> 00:18:18,060 And left the two boys in a boarding school in Hannover. 234 00:18:18,060 --> 00:18:20,740 Every now and again they were put on a train to Moscow 235 00:18:20,740 --> 00:18:23,980 and were allowed to live with their mother during the holidays. 236 00:18:26,100 --> 00:18:28,580 The little one was six and the big one eight. 237 00:18:31,900 --> 00:18:35,860 Look at them here, the two of them. 238 00:18:35,860 --> 00:18:39,220 The boy on the left is Anita's father, Kurt. 239 00:18:46,220 --> 00:18:49,700 Something else Sophie left behind in Hannover in 1926 240 00:18:49,700 --> 00:18:51,540 was her art collection. 241 00:18:51,540 --> 00:18:54,420 She couldn't possibly have taken it with her to Moscow. 242 00:18:54,420 --> 00:18:57,380 She left it on loan to the local museum. 243 00:18:57,380 --> 00:19:00,140 But it would turn out not to be in safe hands. 244 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:10,020 Right in the centre of Germany lived perhaps the most important 245 00:19:10,020 --> 00:19:13,220 collector of German Expressionist art, Alfred Hess. 246 00:19:15,060 --> 00:19:17,900 Not as Bohemian as Sophie, he was an industrialist 247 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:21,580 who made his money from shoes in the ancient town of Erfurt. 248 00:19:23,980 --> 00:19:27,780 The most publicly debated painting from his once huge collection, 249 00:19:27,780 --> 00:19:29,260 now scattered to the winds, 250 00:19:29,260 --> 00:19:32,780 has been Street Scene, by Ernst Ludwig Kirchner. 251 00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:36,900 Here lived, it says, 252 00:19:36,900 --> 00:19:40,820 Alfred Hess, shoe manufacturer and arts patron. 253 00:19:43,380 --> 00:19:47,340 It was called Hotel Hess, and many of the artists who he patronised 254 00:19:47,340 --> 00:19:50,020 and looked after would make pilgrimages here. 255 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:03,420 The Hesses would invite artists to stay and they would 256 00:20:03,420 --> 00:20:07,420 all sign a unique guestbook, which is now kept at the Bauhaus archive. 257 00:20:07,420 --> 00:20:10,020 Oh... 258 00:20:10,020 --> 00:20:15,260 "Alfred and Tekla Hess - husband and wife. 259 00:20:15,260 --> 00:20:18,620 "To dear friends in the "beautiful new guestbook - 260 00:20:18,620 --> 00:20:21,700 "from their loyal painter Lyonel Feininger. 261 00:20:23,060 --> 00:20:25,100 "Kind-hearted little ghosts." 262 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:31,460 Thank you. This is another beautiful Feininger. 263 00:20:31,460 --> 00:20:34,780 "To work better, that's always a good reason 264 00:20:34,780 --> 00:20:38,500 "to let yourself be put up in Erfurt. Erich Heckel." 265 00:20:40,580 --> 00:20:43,420 'It became a Who's Who of expressionist art.' 266 00:20:43,420 --> 00:20:44,900 Wassily Kandinsky. 267 00:20:44,900 --> 00:20:47,140 'And of the whole avant-garde scene in Germany.' 268 00:20:50,140 --> 00:20:53,740 Paul Klee - I mean, how long did he spend doing that? 269 00:20:58,780 --> 00:21:02,300 Poets and philosophers came, and musicians. 270 00:21:02,300 --> 00:21:04,140 Paul Hindemith. 271 00:21:04,140 --> 00:21:07,620 Hindemith brought his quartet to play. 272 00:21:07,620 --> 00:21:10,100 "A Duet In Friendship To Hess." 273 00:21:11,300 --> 00:21:13,460 "Is there no telephone?" 274 00:21:13,460 --> 00:21:15,380 "From Lotte Lenya and Kurt Weill. 275 00:21:16,740 --> 00:21:19,980 "And the shark has sharp teeth, dear." 276 00:21:19,980 --> 00:21:22,100 From the Threepenny Opera. 277 00:21:22,100 --> 00:21:26,260 "To the Hess house in sincere friendship, Kurt Weill." 278 00:21:26,260 --> 00:21:27,580 Friedrich Friedl. 279 00:21:30,380 --> 00:21:31,940 Christian Rohlfs. 280 00:21:34,180 --> 00:21:36,220 Pechstein. 281 00:21:36,220 --> 00:21:39,460 "Kurt Weill's first stage success was at the city's theatre," 282 00:21:39,460 --> 00:21:41,020 wrote their son Hans. 283 00:21:41,020 --> 00:21:43,660 "not entirely without the help of my father, 284 00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:45,180 "who bought a few hundred tickets 285 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:50,860 "and filled the otherwise empty seats by inviting everyone he knew. 286 00:21:50,860 --> 00:21:53,300 "Our house was well known as a colourful place - 287 00:21:53,300 --> 00:21:56,940 "and it was probably even more colourful than people knew." 288 00:22:05,220 --> 00:22:06,940 See the face there? 289 00:22:06,940 --> 00:22:10,340 I'm sure that would have gone down badly with Adolf Hitler. 290 00:22:10,340 --> 00:22:12,980 HE CHUCKLES 291 00:22:12,980 --> 00:22:15,660 Robert Huth, 1919. 292 00:22:15,660 --> 00:22:19,060 This could be some terrible scene from the battlefield. 293 00:22:19,060 --> 00:22:22,740 TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: His interest in art 294 00:22:22,740 --> 00:22:27,180 only developed after the First World War from his wartime experiences. 295 00:22:29,460 --> 00:22:31,900 And when he came back to Erfurt with these 296 00:22:31,900 --> 00:22:34,980 experiences of war - the destruction of war 297 00:22:34,980 --> 00:22:37,140 and the mass hatred... 298 00:22:38,820 --> 00:22:41,180 ..his life changed dramatically. 299 00:22:44,060 --> 00:22:45,700 There would have been housepainters 300 00:22:45,700 --> 00:22:47,860 scurrying about, as well as artists. 301 00:22:47,860 --> 00:22:50,380 They showed pictures like these. 302 00:22:52,620 --> 00:22:56,660 TRANSLATED FROM GERMAN: They created rooms for individual artists. 303 00:22:56,660 --> 00:23:00,540 And painted the walls in bright colours. 304 00:23:00,540 --> 00:23:02,380 There was the blue room, the yellow room. 305 00:23:05,220 --> 00:23:07,660 Whenever new art works came into the collection, 306 00:23:07,660 --> 00:23:09,300 they moved all the pictures around. 307 00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:12,100 The pictures wandered from the ground floor to the top floor. 308 00:23:14,740 --> 00:23:17,780 He had a Kirchner room - 309 00:23:17,780 --> 00:23:20,460 he had five or six or seven Kirchner pictures. 310 00:23:22,580 --> 00:23:25,740 And together with the director of the local museum 311 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:29,620 he devoted himself to expressionist art in a big way. 312 00:23:31,500 --> 00:23:34,620 This is the rather grand local museum in Erfurt, which is 313 00:23:34,620 --> 00:23:38,140 a provincial town, once part of East Germany. 314 00:23:38,140 --> 00:23:41,980 After the First World War this was a hotbed of German expressionism. 315 00:23:41,980 --> 00:23:45,940 It was also, of course, a place where National Socialism thrived 316 00:23:45,940 --> 00:23:49,660 and where anti-Semitism was exceptionally strong. 317 00:23:49,660 --> 00:23:51,100 There were the two sides 318 00:23:51,100 --> 00:23:55,380 so it was really a big fight - it's difficult to imagine nowadays. 319 00:23:55,380 --> 00:23:58,740 This is typical for whole Germany at that time, 320 00:23:58,740 --> 00:24:01,260 that the situation was polarised. 321 00:24:01,260 --> 00:24:05,580 There were strong left-wing groups and strong right-wing nationalists. 322 00:24:06,980 --> 00:24:09,380 This is really interesting, anti-Semitism 323 00:24:09,380 --> 00:24:12,820 and anti modernism, anti modern art, so, to me, it is 324 00:24:12,820 --> 00:24:16,260 rather remarkable, the Bauhaus is down the road in Weimar. 325 00:24:16,260 --> 00:24:20,180 You have people like Kandinsky and Klee who are spending time there, 326 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:26,020 visiting Erfurt, and you have demonstrations against this museum, 327 00:24:26,020 --> 00:24:29,220 against the idea of modernism and against the 328 00:24:29,220 --> 00:24:34,020 Jewish philanthropist, who, this man, who is the patron of all this. 329 00:24:34,020 --> 00:24:38,460 Yeah. Alfred Hess gave every year one painting to the museum. 330 00:24:38,460 --> 00:24:42,700 He was a very important art patron for Erfurt 331 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:49,020 but he was acting very silently. He didn't want everybody to know 332 00:24:49,020 --> 00:24:55,660 he was the patron. He supported the museum but in a quiet way. 333 00:24:55,660 --> 00:25:00,580 Maybe also to cause no conflict, not to, as we say, 334 00:25:00,580 --> 00:25:03,780 not to put more oil into the fire. 335 00:25:09,500 --> 00:25:11,140 The Shoe Jew, as he was known, 336 00:25:11,140 --> 00:25:15,940 had his house attacked as early as 1923, as did the museum director. 337 00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:20,500 The local museum commission called their support for modern art 338 00:25:20,500 --> 00:25:23,540 "an artistic mass psychosis." 339 00:25:24,780 --> 00:25:28,380 Lists circulated with the name of every Jew in Erfurt. 340 00:25:38,180 --> 00:25:41,780 All over Germany, battle lines were forming as to what art was 341 00:25:41,780 --> 00:25:43,620 suitable for the German people. 342 00:25:48,940 --> 00:25:53,340 As early as 1892, it was, ironically, a Jew, 343 00:25:53,340 --> 00:25:56,460 an early Zionist and physician called Max Nordau 344 00:25:56,460 --> 00:25:59,780 who was the first to apply the medical term - "degenerate" - to art. 345 00:26:03,460 --> 00:26:06,420 He dismissed art that he saw as, "post industrial, 346 00:26:06,420 --> 00:26:08,700 "urban and unhealthy", 347 00:26:08,700 --> 00:26:13,900 as opposed to the solid, earthy, craftwork of the folk. 348 00:26:13,900 --> 00:26:17,140 The attack on "sick" expressionism gathered momentum. 349 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:23,460 A young museum director, one quarter Jewish himself, 350 00:26:23,460 --> 00:26:26,260 was having trouble hanging on to his job. 351 00:26:26,260 --> 00:26:28,660 His name was Hildebrand Gurlitt. 352 00:26:35,020 --> 00:26:40,140 He had a Jewish grandmother, which must have made him insecure. 353 00:26:40,140 --> 00:26:43,020 But, by all accounts, the main reason he was under threat 354 00:26:43,020 --> 00:26:46,180 was because of his love of modern art. 355 00:26:48,220 --> 00:26:51,140 He had an illustrious family background in art history. 356 00:26:53,020 --> 00:26:55,820 Cornelius Gurlitt, not the one that we 357 00:26:55,820 --> 00:26:58,820 know about, but his grandfather who was Hildebrand's father, 358 00:26:58,820 --> 00:27:02,820 was a patriarch of Dresden and the rector of the university there. 359 00:27:05,020 --> 00:27:08,180 He specialised in architecture and town planning 360 00:27:08,180 --> 00:27:13,660 and art and he was a great advocate of the baroque architecture that 361 00:27:13,660 --> 00:27:17,500 Dresden was so famous, but at that time was not at all fashionable 362 00:27:17,500 --> 00:27:21,660 and not loved, so he did a great deal to promote Dresden. 363 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:27,420 But his son, Hildebrand, turned to expressionism. 364 00:27:28,860 --> 00:27:30,900 He described going to the first 365 00:27:30,900 --> 00:27:34,820 exhibition of the Brucke artists in 1912 with his mother 366 00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:38,020 when he was still a schoolboy. And he described how shocked 367 00:27:38,020 --> 00:27:41,580 he was by that art, that it was so brash, the colours were different. 368 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:56,260 That became the art that defined his life. 369 00:27:56,260 --> 00:27:59,820 And he became the director of the art museum in Zwickau where 370 00:27:59,820 --> 00:28:03,180 he promoted exactly those artists he had grown up with. 371 00:28:04,980 --> 00:28:07,340 In the '20s there were a lot of campaigns 372 00:28:07,340 --> 00:28:11,380 in the press against degenerate art - Entartete Kunst. 373 00:28:11,380 --> 00:28:15,780 Hildebrand Gurlitt, of course, got into trouble as early as 1925 374 00:28:15,780 --> 00:28:18,620 because he was showing these modern artists - 375 00:28:18,620 --> 00:28:23,060 that was against the conservative mainstream in Zwickau which 376 00:28:23,060 --> 00:28:25,100 was a provincial industrial town. 377 00:28:26,620 --> 00:28:30,820 As still today, there are a lot of people who are afraid of modern art. They don't understand it. 378 00:28:30,820 --> 00:28:34,260 They think they're being taken for a ride and that was the case then. 379 00:28:34,260 --> 00:28:38,140 People would say, "They call this art? They can't even draw!" 380 00:28:38,140 --> 00:28:41,100 And this then became political when the Nazis won power. 381 00:28:42,980 --> 00:28:47,220 Hildebrand Gurlitt was sacked from his job in Zwickau in 1930 382 00:28:47,220 --> 00:28:49,700 and another in Hamburg soon after. 383 00:28:50,900 --> 00:28:52,540 CROWD CHANTS 384 00:28:56,580 --> 00:28:58,780 CHEERING 385 00:28:58,780 --> 00:29:01,380 Storm clouds were gathering. 386 00:29:01,380 --> 00:29:05,740 In a way, Alfred Hess was lucky - he died in 1931, 387 00:29:05,740 --> 00:29:08,420 just before the storm broke. 388 00:29:20,780 --> 00:29:25,220 When the Nazis took power in 1933, the noose tightened on Jews. 389 00:29:27,900 --> 00:29:32,580 The leading German impressionist and collector of Manet, Max Liebermann, 390 00:29:32,580 --> 00:29:37,100 President of the Prussian Academy, was stripped of all his honours. 391 00:29:37,100 --> 00:29:39,740 He was deeply depressed, couldn't understand it - 392 00:29:39,740 --> 00:29:42,900 but, like Alfred Hess, he died before he knew just 393 00:29:42,900 --> 00:29:44,500 how bad it would get. 394 00:29:47,140 --> 00:29:49,860 The Nazis knew which people they hated. 395 00:29:49,860 --> 00:29:51,660 But it wasn't immediately clear 396 00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:53,460 what art they would ban. 397 00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:58,980 Until 1936 there was a huge movement among the students, 398 00:29:58,980 --> 00:30:02,900 for example, but also Goebbels, who personally liked that kind of art, 399 00:30:02,900 --> 00:30:06,660 to establish German expressionism as official art of the state. 400 00:30:11,180 --> 00:30:16,660 Hitler let it happen until the Olympic Games of 1936 because he 401 00:30:16,660 --> 00:30:21,140 wanted to behave like a liberal and world open leader, but immediately 402 00:30:21,140 --> 00:30:25,900 after the Olympic Games had finished he said, "Well, now we have to 403 00:30:25,900 --> 00:30:31,340 "define what is art appropriate to the German...taste and thoughts." 404 00:30:33,700 --> 00:30:36,380 "A new human type, which we saw last year 405 00:30:36,380 --> 00:30:38,100 "during the Olympic Games. 406 00:30:38,100 --> 00:30:41,020 "This is the 'type' of the new age. 407 00:30:44,020 --> 00:30:45,860 "But what do you manufacture? 408 00:30:45,860 --> 00:30:48,100 "Deformed cripples and cretins. 409 00:30:48,100 --> 00:30:50,780 "Women who inspire only disgust, 410 00:30:50,780 --> 00:30:54,300 "men who are more like wild beasts, children who, 411 00:30:54,300 --> 00:30:57,980 "if they were alive would be regarded as God's curse." 412 00:31:01,820 --> 00:31:04,380 Albert Speer even says in his memoirs 413 00:31:04,380 --> 00:31:08,020 how he did up the Goebbels' apartment in Berlin. 414 00:31:11,780 --> 00:31:16,260 He put Emil Nolde watercolours on the wall of the apartment. 415 00:31:16,260 --> 00:31:18,500 Fantastic flower paintings. 416 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:21,860 Pictures like these. 417 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:24,900 The Goebbels were absolutely delighted with it. 418 00:31:24,900 --> 00:31:28,500 Hitler came round, inspected the new apartment, took one look 419 00:31:28,500 --> 00:31:31,740 at the Noldes and said, "They've got to go, they're terrible!" 420 00:31:31,740 --> 00:31:34,220 And that was it, they went. 421 00:31:39,380 --> 00:31:42,980 So, until 1936, Goebbels was the one 422 00:31:42,980 --> 00:31:46,220 who'd tried to establish expressionism. 423 00:31:46,220 --> 00:31:48,820 And a little bit like Hildebrand Gurlitt, 424 00:31:48,820 --> 00:31:51,700 Goebbels changed his mind immediately 425 00:31:51,700 --> 00:31:55,900 when he saw what Hitler liked and what he did not like. 426 00:31:55,900 --> 00:31:58,180 And then was the moving power 427 00:31:58,180 --> 00:32:01,100 behind the Degenerate Art action 428 00:32:01,100 --> 00:32:03,700 which meant that, from 1937 on, 429 00:32:03,700 --> 00:32:07,380 everything which did not fit with Hitler's taste 430 00:32:07,380 --> 00:32:10,620 was removed from German museums. 431 00:32:10,620 --> 00:32:13,820 That's actually a bit unfair on Hildebrand Gurlitt. 432 00:32:15,460 --> 00:32:18,300 He didn't change his taste for degenerate art, 433 00:32:18,300 --> 00:32:21,140 but he found a way of putting it to his own use - 434 00:32:21,140 --> 00:32:24,100 working both for the Fuhrer and for himself. 435 00:32:27,180 --> 00:32:31,180 This is the palace where the art the Nazis hated would be stored. 436 00:32:39,860 --> 00:32:45,100 'Unrolling now was a state campaign against state-owned modern art.' 437 00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,860 So, this is a picture taken in this room. 438 00:32:54,860 --> 00:32:57,140 It says the entire ground floor 439 00:32:57,140 --> 00:32:59,940 served as storage for degenerate art, 440 00:32:59,940 --> 00:33:03,860 which had been robbed from museums and private collections. 441 00:33:11,540 --> 00:33:14,580 'It's ironic that the daring and the scandalous 442 00:33:14,580 --> 00:33:18,420 'have been replaced by elegant, 18th century portraits.' 443 00:33:23,140 --> 00:33:25,820 'Hildebrand Gurlitt had special access here 444 00:33:25,820 --> 00:33:29,420 because he was chosen by Goebbels as one of four dealers 445 00:33:29,420 --> 00:33:33,220 commissioned to sell degenerate works seized by the Nazis, 446 00:33:33,220 --> 00:33:35,300 and to buy approved paintings 447 00:33:35,300 --> 00:33:37,740 to fill the gaps left on museum walls. 448 00:33:39,220 --> 00:33:41,820 Later, Gurlitt described his role here. 449 00:33:42,860 --> 00:33:44,940 "A great many works of modern art 450 00:33:44,940 --> 00:33:46,700 "passed through my hands," he writes, 451 00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:51,340 "from a depot of confiscated art in Niederschoenhausen," here, 452 00:33:51,340 --> 00:33:53,380 "where if you had enough courage 453 00:33:53,380 --> 00:33:55,540 "you could buy very beautiful paintings 454 00:33:55,540 --> 00:33:57,500 "with the same foreign currencies 455 00:33:57,500 --> 00:34:00,060 "that were otherwise illegal to possess 456 00:34:00,060 --> 00:34:01,900 "and could land you in jail. 457 00:34:01,900 --> 00:34:03,540 "What wasn't sold for cash, 458 00:34:03,540 --> 00:34:05,700 "some 80,000 works of art, 459 00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:09,340 "I believe was burned by the SS." 460 00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:11,700 It's actually thought to be far fewer. 461 00:34:13,300 --> 00:34:16,140 And then he goes on, in a self-justifying manner, 462 00:34:16,140 --> 00:34:19,500 "I was able to save many of these paintings from destruction 463 00:34:19,500 --> 00:34:22,900 "and pass them on to great collectors." 464 00:34:22,900 --> 00:34:25,420 Of course, many he kept for himself. 465 00:34:27,620 --> 00:34:30,620 But before the bonfire of those deemed worthless, 466 00:34:30,620 --> 00:34:32,580 came the ridicule. 467 00:34:32,580 --> 00:34:35,460 The paintings were displayed for public contempt. 468 00:34:37,260 --> 00:34:42,300 The most notorious exhibition was held here, in Munich, in 1937. 469 00:34:44,260 --> 00:34:46,380 Christian. 470 00:34:46,380 --> 00:34:48,860 Hi. Good afternoon. 471 00:34:48,860 --> 00:34:51,300 So here we are, this is where it all happened, 472 00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,580 the Degenerate Art show. Right. 473 00:34:53,580 --> 00:34:57,380 I've brought two illustrations. 474 00:34:57,380 --> 00:35:00,260 So that's where we are, is it? Yes, exactly. 475 00:35:00,260 --> 00:35:02,340 There's quite a crowd in this picture. Yes. 476 00:35:02,340 --> 00:35:05,340 So was it popular, this Degenerate Art Exhibition? 477 00:35:05,340 --> 00:35:07,780 It was popular. But, as you see, 478 00:35:07,780 --> 00:35:09,740 there were no entrance fees, 479 00:35:09,740 --> 00:35:12,420 at a time when every museum and every exhibition 480 00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:15,460 you had to pay ten Pfennig or something. 481 00:35:15,460 --> 00:35:18,940 There was quite a bit of media hype around it. 482 00:35:18,940 --> 00:35:20,740 The newspaper reported, 483 00:35:20,740 --> 00:35:23,980 "Those are the real atrocities of the world 484 00:35:23,980 --> 00:35:26,540 "and you won't believe it until you see it." 485 00:35:29,260 --> 00:35:32,060 "Take Dada seriously! It's worth it." 486 00:35:32,060 --> 00:35:34,020 A quote from George Grosz, 487 00:35:34,020 --> 00:35:35,780 not meant to be taken seriously. 488 00:35:38,380 --> 00:35:39,820 They say it themselves - 489 00:35:39,820 --> 00:35:42,500 "We act as though we're painters or poets 490 00:35:42,500 --> 00:35:44,900 "but we're just delighting in taking the piss, 491 00:35:44,900 --> 00:35:47,300 "bringing a giant swindle into the world 492 00:35:47,300 --> 00:35:50,100 "and breeding snobs who'll lick our boots." 493 00:35:56,340 --> 00:35:59,300 The Dadaist Hannah Hoch went to the show 494 00:35:59,300 --> 00:36:00,580 and wrote in her diary... 495 00:36:01,980 --> 00:36:05,820 "The most important works from the post-war years are here. 496 00:36:05,820 --> 00:36:07,420 "After the public persecution, 497 00:36:07,420 --> 00:36:10,860 "it's astonishing how disciplined the audience is. 498 00:36:10,860 --> 00:36:13,540 "There are a lot of closed faces 499 00:36:13,540 --> 00:36:15,700 "and you can see opposition in many of them. 500 00:36:15,700 --> 00:36:17,380 "Barely a word is said." 501 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:26,700 And just round the corner, 502 00:36:26,700 --> 00:36:29,140 Hitler staged another exhibition 503 00:36:29,140 --> 00:36:31,780 of art that good Germans should like. 504 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:39,140 The idea behind it was that if we have a sort of negative foil 505 00:36:39,140 --> 00:36:43,740 then the good German art will be seen in even a better light. 506 00:36:47,860 --> 00:36:52,300 And when you managed to be exhibited here at the Haus der Deutschen Kunst, 507 00:36:52,300 --> 00:36:53,780 you'd made it. 508 00:36:53,780 --> 00:37:00,180 Because you have all the collectors from the National Socialist elite 509 00:37:00,180 --> 00:37:02,580 who would compete with each other 510 00:37:02,580 --> 00:37:06,580 for the best works of art that were being offered here for sale. 511 00:37:06,580 --> 00:37:11,220 And Hitler himself was the biggest buyer. Really?! 512 00:37:11,220 --> 00:37:15,140 I think his artistic tastes were indeed shaped 513 00:37:15,140 --> 00:37:16,980 by turn of the century Vienna 514 00:37:16,980 --> 00:37:20,460 and by artists that he himself considered the best, 515 00:37:20,460 --> 00:37:22,140 like Rudolf von Alt. 516 00:37:22,140 --> 00:37:25,420 So he organised a looting campaign 517 00:37:25,420 --> 00:37:28,380 to get all Rudolf von Alt water colours and paintings 518 00:37:28,380 --> 00:37:29,620 for his own collection. 519 00:37:29,620 --> 00:37:31,700 Taken from Jews or taken from...? In Vienna. 520 00:37:31,700 --> 00:37:33,220 Taken from Jews in Vienna. Yes, yes. 521 00:37:36,580 --> 00:37:38,460 Perhaps the art school in Vienna 522 00:37:38,460 --> 00:37:40,500 should take some of the blame for this, 523 00:37:40,500 --> 00:37:44,100 as it was they who turned down Hitler as an art student 524 00:37:44,100 --> 00:37:46,980 not just once, but twice. 525 00:37:55,500 --> 00:37:56,980 This year, in New York, 526 00:37:56,980 --> 00:37:58,980 the two shows - one degenerate, 527 00:37:58,980 --> 00:38:01,580 the other with the Nazi stamp of approval - 528 00:38:01,580 --> 00:38:03,900 have been restaged. 529 00:38:03,900 --> 00:38:07,420 The works now sit side-by-side in one show. 530 00:38:14,820 --> 00:38:18,300 "Works of art which cannot be comprehended 531 00:38:18,300 --> 00:38:21,060 "will no longer be foisted upon the German people." 532 00:38:26,580 --> 00:38:30,980 So these are the famous queues to get into the exhibition, then? 533 00:38:30,980 --> 00:38:36,300 Yeah. So, this is the line standing in front of the venue in Hamburg 534 00:38:36,300 --> 00:38:41,220 one year after the opening of Degenerate Art show in Munich. 535 00:38:41,220 --> 00:38:43,100 Because it was a travelling show, 536 00:38:43,100 --> 00:38:46,300 this exhibition also had several venues. 537 00:38:46,300 --> 00:38:49,540 In Munich, it was really a blockbuster. 538 00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:53,820 Two million people visited the show over five months. 539 00:38:53,820 --> 00:38:56,180 I mean, that's an extraordinary number, 540 00:38:56,180 --> 00:39:01,300 two million people visiting an exhibition of art which was despised 541 00:39:01,300 --> 00:39:04,980 and which was there to say, "This is what we can do without." 542 00:39:04,980 --> 00:39:08,380 And it's interesting, here, that in this exhibition 543 00:39:08,380 --> 00:39:13,300 you clearly decided that you wanted to tell two stories, 544 00:39:13,300 --> 00:39:14,700 not just one. 545 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:17,460 Here we have the Beckmann triptych, 546 00:39:17,460 --> 00:39:20,700 which is an example of degenerate art, big time, 547 00:39:20,700 --> 00:39:24,100 and then on the right-hand side, a painting by Ziegler 548 00:39:24,100 --> 00:39:27,380 which was Hitler's favourite painting, was it not? 549 00:39:27,380 --> 00:39:31,060 He selected this triptych, the Four Elements by Adolf Ziegler. 550 00:39:31,060 --> 00:39:35,860 He'd installed it over the fireplace in his Fuhrerbau in Munich. 551 00:39:35,860 --> 00:39:40,500 It makes clear what Hitler's taste was about. 552 00:39:40,500 --> 00:39:43,740 That it had to do something with a naturalistic way 553 00:39:43,740 --> 00:39:45,580 of depicting something... 554 00:39:45,580 --> 00:39:47,860 with racial ideals. 555 00:39:47,860 --> 00:39:51,900 It has also something to do with classical nudity 556 00:39:51,900 --> 00:39:54,340 and classical antiquity. 557 00:39:54,340 --> 00:39:58,420 You can see that Ziegler was taught at an academy. 558 00:39:58,420 --> 00:40:02,460 And that was also very important for the Nazis. 559 00:40:02,460 --> 00:40:06,940 The idea in this gallery is to bring the visitors of our exhibition 560 00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:10,580 to the historical situation in the summer of 1937. 561 00:40:10,580 --> 00:40:13,820 So that you as a visitor can really judge 562 00:40:13,820 --> 00:40:16,660 what was going on there, and what is the contrast. 563 00:40:18,780 --> 00:40:23,380 "Art does not create a new age, it is the fighters, 564 00:40:23,380 --> 00:40:27,060 "those who truly shape and lead peoples, who make history." 565 00:40:29,220 --> 00:40:31,940 "When the people pass through these galleries, 566 00:40:31,940 --> 00:40:36,100 "they will recognise in me their own spokesman and counsellor." 567 00:40:38,220 --> 00:40:42,900 "Our young artists will recognise the path they will have to take." 568 00:40:47,980 --> 00:40:50,020 Yeah, the Beckmann picture for our exhibition 569 00:40:50,020 --> 00:40:51,420 was extremely important 570 00:40:51,420 --> 00:40:53,820 since in the first years of the Third Reich 571 00:40:53,820 --> 00:40:55,860 he was working on that piece. 572 00:40:55,860 --> 00:40:59,420 And he's reflecting the political circumstances in that painting. 573 00:40:59,420 --> 00:41:02,780 On the side panels, you can really see very brutal scenes 574 00:41:02,780 --> 00:41:05,020 of torture and violence. 575 00:41:07,260 --> 00:41:10,300 And in the middle panel, he is opening the space, 576 00:41:10,300 --> 00:41:12,940 he's showing us something totally different. 577 00:41:12,940 --> 00:41:16,540 Beckmann was telling people that the central panel 578 00:41:16,540 --> 00:41:18,580 is dealing with freedom. 579 00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:21,980 It was a very important point to make for him, 580 00:41:21,980 --> 00:41:26,180 in Berlin, in the mid 1930s, under the rule of the Nazis. 581 00:41:29,500 --> 00:41:33,700 Adolf Ziegler gave the opening speech at the Degenerate Art show. 582 00:41:33,700 --> 00:41:36,940 He said, "You see here aberrations of madness, 583 00:41:36,940 --> 00:41:38,940 "dilettantism and decadence. 584 00:41:38,940 --> 00:41:42,820 "It causes us all who see the show shock and nausea. 585 00:41:42,820 --> 00:41:48,100 "Trainloads will be needed to rid the German museums of this rubbish." 586 00:41:48,100 --> 00:41:51,740 That very day, Max Beckmann left Germany to go into exile. 587 00:41:58,220 --> 00:41:59,860 It's surprising for people 588 00:41:59,860 --> 00:42:02,540 that there were artists in this exhibition 589 00:42:02,540 --> 00:42:05,340 who were allies of Hitler, in many ways. 590 00:42:05,340 --> 00:42:07,580 There's Nolde over there... Yeah. 591 00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:11,420 ..who was himself very much a Nazi. 592 00:42:11,420 --> 00:42:15,300 He was probably the artist who was affected the most 593 00:42:15,300 --> 00:42:17,900 by the confiscation campaign of the Nazis. 594 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:20,740 More than 1,000 works of him were confiscated 595 00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:23,580 from German state museums. 596 00:42:23,580 --> 00:42:26,980 He was aggressively attacked by the Nazis 597 00:42:26,980 --> 00:42:31,100 although he became, in the early 1930s, 598 00:42:31,100 --> 00:42:33,140 a member of the Nazi party. 599 00:42:35,940 --> 00:42:38,020 Other artists found different ways 600 00:42:38,020 --> 00:42:39,700 of accommodating to the new order. 601 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:43,900 Kirchner had tried to justify his Street Scene 602 00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:46,380 as "genuinely German." 603 00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:49,420 "How much genuine German drawing skill is required 604 00:42:49,420 --> 00:42:52,060 "to paint such a picture?," he wrote. 605 00:42:52,060 --> 00:42:54,300 "The way the movement of the passersby 606 00:42:54,300 --> 00:42:56,740 "is rendered in the rhombus of the heads. 607 00:42:56,740 --> 00:43:00,820 "This picture would be interesting to look at alongside one by Durer. 608 00:43:00,820 --> 00:43:03,140 "I certainly believe it would hold its own." 609 00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:07,900 But his self justification was to no avail. 610 00:43:07,900 --> 00:43:11,260 A total of 639 of his works 611 00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:13,980 were seized from museums during the Third Reich. 612 00:43:13,980 --> 00:43:16,220 32 were ridiculed in the show. 613 00:43:19,500 --> 00:43:22,940 Kirchner started this self portrait in 1932 614 00:43:22,940 --> 00:43:27,180 but altered it in 1937, the year of the Degenerate Art show. 615 00:43:28,300 --> 00:43:33,460 He blurred his face. You can only see one half of a face. 616 00:43:33,460 --> 00:43:37,380 He added these yellow stripes which are blocking his hands 617 00:43:37,380 --> 00:43:42,060 so he is no longer able to work as an artist. 618 00:43:42,060 --> 00:43:46,260 There is a red swastika behind Kirchner, 619 00:43:46,260 --> 00:43:48,740 he is reflecting how he is affected 620 00:43:48,740 --> 00:43:50,820 by the cultural policy of the Nazis. 621 00:43:52,220 --> 00:43:57,660 Maybe it was one of the most significant reasons for him 622 00:43:57,660 --> 00:44:00,140 to commit suicide in 1938. 623 00:44:08,860 --> 00:44:11,580 The proud owner of the Kirchner Street Scene, 624 00:44:11,580 --> 00:44:15,180 which once hung at the Hotel Hess, is now Ronald Lauder. 625 00:44:16,340 --> 00:44:19,020 Heir to the Estee Lauder cosmetics fortune, 626 00:44:19,020 --> 00:44:22,380 he started collecting Egon Schiele and Gustav Klimt 627 00:44:22,380 --> 00:44:26,420 when he was just 14. 628 00:44:26,420 --> 00:44:31,220 He bought this painting by Klimt in 2006. 629 00:44:31,220 --> 00:44:34,060 It was looted by the Nazis during the war 630 00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:37,260 and the family who owned it fought for years to get it back. 631 00:44:39,540 --> 00:44:42,140 The Klimt and the Kirchner are now on show 632 00:44:42,140 --> 00:44:44,820 at Lauder's gallery in New York. 633 00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:48,020 There's tens of thousands of missing pieces, 634 00:44:48,020 --> 00:44:49,780 and they're somewhere. 635 00:44:49,780 --> 00:44:51,500 Some were destroyed. 636 00:44:51,500 --> 00:44:54,260 And we are looking at paintings from the film 637 00:44:54,260 --> 00:44:57,220 and we have no idea where they are. 638 00:45:03,500 --> 00:45:07,980 In 1987, I was in Austria as ambassador. 639 00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:13,100 Someone told me, "Go to a convent, outside of Vienna." 640 00:45:18,020 --> 00:45:20,060 And I went there. 641 00:45:24,340 --> 00:45:28,020 They unlocked the door, all of a sudden, 642 00:45:28,020 --> 00:45:32,900 look inside, and there's row after row of paintings, furniture, 643 00:45:32,900 --> 00:45:36,820 silverware, pottery, rugs. 644 00:45:36,820 --> 00:45:40,180 I realise this was the depository 645 00:45:40,180 --> 00:45:43,140 of all the things stolen from Jewish homes 646 00:45:43,140 --> 00:45:47,580 that frankly no-one wanted, or no-one had the time to take. 647 00:45:47,580 --> 00:45:50,820 And I said, "This is important. 648 00:45:50,820 --> 00:45:53,260 "This is like time stood still." 649 00:45:53,260 --> 00:45:59,580 It didn't look any different, I'm sure, in 1945, when the war was over. 650 00:45:59,580 --> 00:46:03,780 Someone just closed the door, put a key, locked it and left it. 651 00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:09,420 I bought 14 frames, empty frames. 652 00:46:09,420 --> 00:46:14,180 They didn't want to transport the frame cos it was too big, 653 00:46:14,180 --> 00:46:16,820 so they took it out of the frame and they left the frame, 654 00:46:16,820 --> 00:46:18,460 they took the picture. 655 00:46:18,460 --> 00:46:21,180 We'll never know what pictures were in there. 656 00:46:21,180 --> 00:46:24,940 We put in the frames the names of paintings that are missing, 657 00:46:24,940 --> 00:46:27,780 that are most likely destroyed by the Nazis. 658 00:46:30,860 --> 00:46:33,300 And they must have been great paintings. 659 00:46:33,300 --> 00:46:37,660 There's one Beckmann of a beach scene that we never have found. 660 00:46:39,060 --> 00:46:41,980 Now, either it was destroyed or it's in someone's home. 661 00:47:01,100 --> 00:47:05,380 Germany's brightest and best were exiled or killed during those years. 662 00:47:07,020 --> 00:47:11,180 Not just Jews and artists but radicals, scientists, dreamers. 663 00:47:13,300 --> 00:47:17,140 Germany has been haunted by their absence ever since, 664 00:47:17,140 --> 00:47:19,980 clinging on to what they created or collected, 665 00:47:19,980 --> 00:47:21,980 as if to its own essence. 666 00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:24,700 Claiming their legacy as its own. 667 00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:31,380 A thriving art world was decimated by the Nazis. 668 00:47:31,380 --> 00:47:34,140 Collectors and dealers were very often Jewish. 669 00:47:35,340 --> 00:47:38,500 One rather callous collector said, "In these times, 670 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:41,100 "a collection of modern art that must be sold quickly 671 00:47:41,100 --> 00:47:42,780 "is nearly always a Jewish one, 672 00:47:42,780 --> 00:47:45,580 "whose owner had to pick up his walking stick." 673 00:47:46,900 --> 00:47:49,780 And someone was always on hand when they did - 674 00:47:49,780 --> 00:47:51,900 someone most of them already knew - 675 00:47:51,900 --> 00:47:56,140 the sacked museum director turned art dealer, Hildebrand Gurlitt. 676 00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:01,220 His collections would fill the flat in Munich 677 00:48:01,220 --> 00:48:04,500 in which his son was discovered some 80 years later. 678 00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:09,140 He began buying from Jews who were in trouble. 679 00:48:09,140 --> 00:48:11,140 There are two ways of seeing this. 680 00:48:11,140 --> 00:48:14,740 After 1938, the Jews were not allowed to sell art, 681 00:48:14,740 --> 00:48:17,460 and Hildebrand Gurlitt was a risk taker, 682 00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:20,940 so he bought from them, under value, 683 00:48:20,940 --> 00:48:23,820 but, you know, they may not have been able to sell it at all 684 00:48:23,820 --> 00:48:25,220 if he hadn't bought it. 685 00:48:25,220 --> 00:48:28,620 So was he doing them a favour, or was he ripping them off? 686 00:48:28,620 --> 00:48:31,260 Both, I guess. 687 00:48:31,260 --> 00:48:34,980 One of the first to leave, in 1933, 688 00:48:34,980 --> 00:48:38,420 just as the Nazis took power, was Alfred Flechtheim. 689 00:48:43,860 --> 00:48:45,740 A real promoter of the avant garde, 690 00:48:45,740 --> 00:48:48,940 Flechtheim championed Picasso, Braque, Van Gogh 691 00:48:48,940 --> 00:48:51,380 and had a dozen Max Beckmanns. 692 00:48:51,380 --> 00:48:56,260 The plaque reads, "In this house lived from 1923 to '33, 693 00:48:56,260 --> 00:48:57,900 "Alfred Flechtheim, 694 00:48:57,900 --> 00:49:01,740 "art dealer, publisher and supporter of modern art." 695 00:49:05,820 --> 00:49:09,100 Flechtheim's descendants are now trying to reclaim 696 00:49:09,100 --> 00:49:13,260 the art he sold in a hurry as he grabbed his walking stick. 697 00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:17,020 These drawings they got back and then gave, on loan, 698 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,260 to this museum in Cologne. 699 00:49:19,260 --> 00:49:22,900 The family's lawyer has also been involved in the restitution 700 00:49:22,900 --> 00:49:25,420 of another of Flechtheim's artworks, 701 00:49:25,420 --> 00:49:27,740 The Lion Tamer by Max Beckmann. 702 00:49:29,180 --> 00:49:32,220 It was painted in 1930 and it was given 703 00:49:32,220 --> 00:49:34,860 to Alfred Flechtheim, 704 00:49:34,860 --> 00:49:38,500 the famous art dealer, who represented Beckmann at that time, 705 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:40,780 in order to pay off Beckmann's debts. 706 00:49:42,300 --> 00:49:45,020 But now it was Flechtheim who needed money. 707 00:49:45,020 --> 00:49:48,700 inflation and then the depression had damaged his business, 708 00:49:48,700 --> 00:49:51,700 but far more importantly, he needed money to get away. 709 00:49:53,260 --> 00:49:55,380 He knew his days were numbered. 710 00:49:55,380 --> 00:49:59,260 The Nazis hated him not only because he was Jewish 711 00:49:59,260 --> 00:50:01,700 but especially because he represented 712 00:50:01,700 --> 00:50:04,860 what the Nazis later on called degenerate, 713 00:50:04,860 --> 00:50:07,100 and so he was in the headlines, 714 00:50:07,100 --> 00:50:09,620 and the Nazis called for his extermination. 715 00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:15,500 As Flechtheim was preparing to flee, 716 00:50:15,500 --> 00:50:18,780 shortly before selling the bulk of his collection at auction, 717 00:50:18,780 --> 00:50:22,020 he sold Beckmann's Lion Tamer to Hildebrand Gurlitt. 718 00:50:23,820 --> 00:50:26,580 In all these cases, the question to be answered is, 719 00:50:26,580 --> 00:50:30,340 was it a forced sale, a sale under duress? 720 00:50:30,340 --> 00:50:33,580 Would they have sold were the Nazis not in power? 721 00:50:34,820 --> 00:50:38,500 If it's a forced sale, they should be given back. 722 00:50:38,500 --> 00:50:41,100 If someone was selling in 1933, 723 00:50:41,100 --> 00:50:44,300 it's far harder to prove that they were selling under duress, 724 00:50:44,300 --> 00:50:46,900 than if they were selling in 1938. 725 00:50:46,900 --> 00:50:48,740 It's very likely that they were. 726 00:50:51,260 --> 00:50:54,100 The usual argument to refuse restitution 727 00:50:54,100 --> 00:50:56,820 is that people would have sold anyway, 728 00:50:56,820 --> 00:51:00,620 Nazis or not, even if, like Flechtheim, 729 00:51:00,620 --> 00:51:02,380 they were on a Nazi death list. 730 00:51:05,420 --> 00:51:07,700 These sales come back to haunt people 731 00:51:07,700 --> 00:51:09,660 working in the art trade today, 732 00:51:09,660 --> 00:51:12,380 including firms like this one. 733 00:51:12,380 --> 00:51:16,500 Lempertz is an auction house that was established in the 19th century. 734 00:51:16,500 --> 00:51:19,100 It's the Hanstein family firm. 735 00:51:19,100 --> 00:51:21,900 It continued to trade throughout the Nazi years. 736 00:51:26,820 --> 00:51:30,700 Max Beckmann's Lion Tamer would pass through their hands later, 737 00:51:30,700 --> 00:51:32,780 like a poisoned chalice. 738 00:51:32,780 --> 00:51:35,100 But when it did, they put it up for sale 739 00:51:35,100 --> 00:51:38,380 with no suggestion that its origins might be tainted. 740 00:51:40,060 --> 00:51:43,060 Today the head of the family firm is Henrik Hanstein. 741 00:51:45,020 --> 00:51:48,300 Flechtheim had to leave Germany in 1933 742 00:51:48,300 --> 00:51:51,340 because he was bankrupt and a Jew, 743 00:51:51,340 --> 00:51:56,140 and, well, he left, fortunately, on time. 744 00:51:56,140 --> 00:51:59,660 But he sold, in the beginning of 1933, 745 00:51:59,660 --> 00:52:04,500 the gouache of Max Beckmann, directly to Hildebrand Gurlitt. 746 00:52:04,500 --> 00:52:08,020 You don't think that sale was a sale under duress? 747 00:52:11,660 --> 00:52:13,700 Hard to say. I don't know. 748 00:52:15,300 --> 00:52:18,580 QUESTION ASKED IN GERMAN 749 00:52:19,500 --> 00:52:22,420 I don't know. Maybe. 750 00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:30,380 More and more extortionate taxes were imposed on Jews, 751 00:52:30,380 --> 00:52:32,780 as harassment and persecution increased. 752 00:52:32,780 --> 00:52:35,460 Including a hefty emigration tax. 753 00:52:39,620 --> 00:52:43,580 And this is Max Stern - another major Jewish art dealer, 754 00:52:43,580 --> 00:52:46,020 who had a fabulous private collection. 755 00:52:46,020 --> 00:52:50,020 In 1937, Max Stern decided he had to get out. 756 00:52:53,140 --> 00:52:57,380 And it was Lempertz auction house that held a final sale. 757 00:52:57,380 --> 00:53:02,300 The Max Stern sale wasn't a forced sale. 758 00:53:02,300 --> 00:53:07,140 He was under stress to sell, but it wasn't a classical forced sale. 759 00:53:08,380 --> 00:53:12,340 He gave by himself the order to sell the collection, 760 00:53:12,340 --> 00:53:15,500 he wrote the catalogue, he attended the preview, 761 00:53:15,500 --> 00:53:20,140 he attended the auction and he got the result of the sale. 762 00:53:20,140 --> 00:53:22,340 And even when I had contact with him 763 00:53:22,340 --> 00:53:24,420 he also gave me the impression 764 00:53:24,420 --> 00:53:28,420 that he has been in a very thankful position against Lempertz 765 00:53:28,420 --> 00:53:30,300 and he said, "I'm very thankful 766 00:53:30,300 --> 00:53:33,060 "that your grandfather did this sale for me." 767 00:53:33,060 --> 00:53:35,900 And he visited my grandfather after the war, 768 00:53:35,900 --> 00:53:39,020 thanking him for doing this sale for him. 769 00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:43,140 Here it is. This is the image of the work. 770 00:53:43,140 --> 00:53:45,140 And this is one of the paintings 771 00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:49,580 that Lempertz sold for Max Stern in 1937. 772 00:53:49,580 --> 00:53:51,420 Of course it was a forced sale. 773 00:53:51,420 --> 00:53:55,900 Because if he had not been forced to liquidate his business 774 00:53:55,900 --> 00:53:59,980 to flee the country, he would not have sold his works. 775 00:53:59,980 --> 00:54:04,900 How could Professor Hanstein then say it wasn't a forced sale? 776 00:54:04,900 --> 00:54:08,340 He made it sound like it was rather a civilised exchange, really. 777 00:54:08,340 --> 00:54:11,060 Yeah, this is something that I cannot really understand, 778 00:54:11,060 --> 00:54:13,180 I'm astonished that he's still denying it. 779 00:54:13,180 --> 00:54:18,940 The fact that Max Stern apparently knew the then-owner, 780 00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:24,740 Hanstein, that he participated in preparing the auction, 781 00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:29,780 does not... It's not an argument for saying that it's not a forced sale. 782 00:54:29,780 --> 00:54:32,260 It simply shows that he was trying to 783 00:54:32,260 --> 00:54:36,220 make the best out of a very bad situation that he had been in, 784 00:54:36,220 --> 00:54:38,140 not voluntarily. 785 00:54:38,140 --> 00:54:42,780 Lempertz benefitted from the persecution of Max Stern 786 00:54:42,780 --> 00:54:45,060 by conducting this auction, 787 00:54:45,060 --> 00:54:48,540 because they get their buyer's premium on every sale. 788 00:54:48,540 --> 00:54:52,340 One can say that the auction houses are always on the winning side. 789 00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:59,860 The crucial issue that we face with auction houses like Lempertz, 790 00:54:59,860 --> 00:55:02,940 they only argue legally, 791 00:55:02,940 --> 00:55:08,220 and they never take into account the moral aspect. 792 00:55:08,220 --> 00:55:12,660 Lempertz sold the art collection of Albert Speer, 793 00:55:12,660 --> 00:55:14,740 who was one of Hitler's main helpers. 794 00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:19,780 Of course it might have been legally correct, 795 00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:23,620 but is this something one should do? I don't know. 796 00:55:26,100 --> 00:55:29,420 Hildebrand Gurlitt succeeded in navigating 797 00:55:29,420 --> 00:55:33,420 these dangerous and conflicting currents. 798 00:55:33,420 --> 00:55:37,700 The Gurlitt family home was a fine house on this site, 799 00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:41,180 bombed out of existence in 1945. 800 00:55:41,180 --> 00:55:44,740 Just round the corner lived another Jewish collector 801 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:49,780 under pressure to sell up - the lawyer Fritz Glaser. 802 00:55:51,300 --> 00:55:53,860 When Hildebrand Gurlitt was a museum director, 803 00:55:53,860 --> 00:55:55,700 Glaser would lend him pictures. 804 00:55:56,940 --> 00:56:00,220 As well as works by Klee, Kandinsky and Nolde, 805 00:56:00,220 --> 00:56:05,420 Glaser had 60 by Otto Dix, who painted this portrait of the family. 806 00:56:08,140 --> 00:56:12,140 Besides being Jewish and collecting degenerate art, 807 00:56:12,140 --> 00:56:14,020 Glaser had defended communists, 808 00:56:14,020 --> 00:56:16,860 which didn't go down well with the Nazis either. 809 00:56:16,860 --> 00:56:20,620 He managed to hang on in Germany longer than most 810 00:56:20,620 --> 00:56:22,940 as his wife was not Jewish. 811 00:56:22,940 --> 00:56:25,780 It was a so-called "privileged mixed marriage". 812 00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:30,700 TRANSLATION: Glaser was actually one of the first lawyers 813 00:56:30,700 --> 00:56:34,780 who lost his right to practise, in October 1933. 814 00:56:36,620 --> 00:56:38,820 So that meant he was no longer allowed 815 00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:40,820 to make an income from his profession. 816 00:56:44,660 --> 00:56:47,980 So he had to begin to sell his artworks. 817 00:56:47,980 --> 00:56:52,220 Sabine Rudolf is now trying to track down his pictures. 818 00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:55,660 13 have surfaced in the Cornelius Gurlitt hoard. 819 00:56:55,660 --> 00:56:59,740 But her task is made much harder by the lack of records. 820 00:57:02,140 --> 00:57:04,620 TRANSLATION: As you know, from 1938, 821 00:57:04,620 --> 00:57:07,820 it was forbidden for Jews to sell artworks themselves. 822 00:57:09,860 --> 00:57:13,340 That's why Glaser left no invoices and receipts. 823 00:57:15,180 --> 00:57:19,260 Because he knew the Gestapo would come to his house, 824 00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:21,780 the Gestapo would go through everything. 825 00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:23,460 And if they found a receipt, 826 00:57:23,460 --> 00:57:26,180 they'd know he'd broken the law and he'd be deported. 827 00:57:32,020 --> 00:57:35,460 The Nazis seized 1,000 paintings and drawings 828 00:57:35,460 --> 00:57:37,380 from the Angermuseum in Erfurt, 829 00:57:37,380 --> 00:57:41,180 of which Alfred Hess had been such a strong supporter. 830 00:57:41,180 --> 00:57:46,980 So these are the pictures confiscated in 1937. 831 00:57:46,980 --> 00:57:51,740 Here's a Kandinsky, there's a Feininger, 832 00:57:51,740 --> 00:57:55,380 Alfred Hess, Emil Nolde, 833 00:57:55,380 --> 00:58:00,700 again from Alfred Hess, another Nolde, 834 00:58:00,700 --> 00:58:04,900 Hess, that's Pechstein. 835 00:58:06,700 --> 00:58:10,380 In 1937, the Gestapo come in here, 836 00:58:10,380 --> 00:58:13,300 they take the cream of your collection, 837 00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:16,540 but there is one great work of art you still have - 838 00:58:16,540 --> 00:58:19,060 you have the Heckelraum. Yes. 839 00:58:19,060 --> 00:58:20,780 The Heckel room - like a chapel, 840 00:58:20,780 --> 00:58:23,900 covered in murals by the expressionist Erich Heckel, 841 00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:26,940 a symbolic response to the First World War 842 00:58:26,940 --> 00:58:29,100 made possible by Alfred Hess. 843 00:58:29,100 --> 00:58:32,700 This is a miracle that this is still existing. 844 00:58:32,700 --> 00:58:35,420 The temporary director of the museum 845 00:58:35,420 --> 00:58:38,380 had the idea to protect the Heckelraum 846 00:58:38,380 --> 00:58:42,260 by closing the whole space with a wall, 847 00:58:42,260 --> 00:58:46,940 and she put a medieval angel before it, guarding the Heckelraum. 848 00:58:46,940 --> 00:58:50,620 So when the Nazis came, they missed it. 849 00:58:53,180 --> 00:58:55,220 The angel may have saved the mural, 850 00:58:55,220 --> 00:58:58,980 but was not so successful with people. 851 00:58:58,980 --> 00:59:02,620 Tekla Hess's brother would be sent to Dachau. 852 00:59:02,620 --> 00:59:05,660 The family lawyer and the director of the shoe factory 853 00:59:05,660 --> 00:59:07,180 ended up in Buchenwald. 854 00:59:11,260 --> 00:59:15,620 The Hess's son Hans suffered persecution too - 855 00:59:15,620 --> 00:59:19,140 he lost his job at a Berlin publishing house in 1933, 856 00:59:19,140 --> 00:59:21,740 when all the Jews there were sacked. 857 00:59:21,740 --> 00:59:24,060 And he narrowly escaped arrest. 858 00:59:26,380 --> 00:59:30,180 TRANSLATION: He lived with a colleague of Bertolt Brecht. 859 00:59:30,180 --> 00:59:35,980 She was also under observation and subject to persecution. 860 00:59:38,860 --> 00:59:41,740 So their flat was raided and vandalised. 861 00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:48,140 His flatmate Elisabeth Hauptmann was taken away. 862 00:59:48,140 --> 00:59:51,900 They said they'd be back for the other one. 863 00:59:51,900 --> 00:59:55,420 Hans Hess fled Germany. 864 01:00:02,540 --> 01:00:07,420 His mother, Tekla Hess, struggled to save the family's art collection. 865 01:00:07,420 --> 01:00:11,220 She sent it on loan to a museum in Switzerland, for safe-keeping. 866 01:00:13,100 --> 01:00:16,340 Then she too had a visit from the Gestapo. 867 01:00:16,340 --> 01:00:20,420 Under pressure, she brought almost all the pictures back to Germany. 868 01:00:20,420 --> 01:00:24,180 It was the beginning of the end of their collection. 869 01:00:24,180 --> 01:00:27,500 TRANSLATION: The works had barely reached Cologne 870 01:00:27,500 --> 01:00:31,620 when the news spread through the German collector scene like wildfire. 871 01:00:34,780 --> 01:00:37,780 "Here there are now totally wonderful great works 872 01:00:37,780 --> 01:00:39,740 "up for grabs at low prices." 873 01:00:43,100 --> 01:00:46,420 A chance to get highlights from Kirchner for a low sum, 874 01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:49,660 and the collectors came and snapped up these pictures. 875 01:00:53,340 --> 01:00:56,580 "They probably belong to Jewish people who had to get out," 876 01:00:56,580 --> 01:01:00,060 said Kirchner, whose Street Scene went to a non-Jewish collector. 877 01:01:05,340 --> 01:01:09,860 Tekla Hess moved to Bavaria to escape the Erfurt Nazis. 878 01:01:09,860 --> 01:01:14,820 Then in 1939 she fled, and joined her son Hans in England. 879 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:22,540 The final place of exile for many Jewish refugees 880 01:01:22,540 --> 01:01:24,580 was the United States. 881 01:01:24,580 --> 01:01:26,660 It's home to David Toren, 882 01:01:26,660 --> 01:01:30,580 one of the last to get out of Germany before the war. 883 01:01:30,580 --> 01:01:33,940 He's the boy whose great-uncle's painting 884 01:01:33,940 --> 01:01:37,900 Two Riders on the Beach turned up in Cornelius Gurlitt's flat. 885 01:01:39,820 --> 01:01:45,540 Until Kristallnacht in 1938, David Toren was at a mixed city school. 886 01:01:45,540 --> 01:01:50,780 With another kid, we were the only Jews in the whole school. 887 01:01:50,780 --> 01:01:53,820 We were bullied by the other kids, 888 01:01:53,820 --> 01:01:57,060 and the teachers were awful, some of them. 889 01:01:57,060 --> 01:02:01,340 I got lots of what's called in German Ohrfeigen - 890 01:02:01,340 --> 01:02:03,900 slaps in the face. 891 01:02:03,900 --> 01:02:08,820 There was a history teacher whom I disliked intensely 892 01:02:08,820 --> 01:02:11,740 and he said that Eden, 893 01:02:11,740 --> 01:02:17,620 that was the Foreign Secretary of Great Britain at the time, 894 01:02:17,620 --> 01:02:21,580 had a sister who was married to Stalin 895 01:02:21,580 --> 01:02:27,980 and they were planning, Eden and Stalin, to conquer the world. 896 01:02:27,980 --> 01:02:35,100 So in my innocence I piped up and said, "I don't think that is so, 897 01:02:35,100 --> 01:02:39,980 "I don't think that Eden has a sister that's married to Stalin." 898 01:02:39,980 --> 01:02:43,380 The guy got furious. 899 01:02:43,380 --> 01:02:48,980 He asked me to come to the front of the class 900 01:02:48,980 --> 01:02:52,740 and he gave me Ohrfeigen left and right 901 01:02:52,740 --> 01:02:54,820 and told me not... 902 01:02:54,820 --> 01:03:00,900 To shut up and not to talk about things I knew nothing about. 903 01:03:00,900 --> 01:03:04,300 So I never said anything more in that class. 904 01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:08,260 I left in August of '39. 905 01:03:08,260 --> 01:03:14,660 My father was convinced that war would break out this year 906 01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:19,220 and he wanted to get me and my brother out of Germany. 907 01:03:20,820 --> 01:03:27,300 So he found a place in a Kindertransport to Sweden. 908 01:03:30,380 --> 01:03:32,740 So David and his brother escaped. 909 01:03:32,740 --> 01:03:36,260 His great-uncle David and his parents were not so lucky. 910 01:03:36,260 --> 01:03:40,060 First, the Gestapo came after the art collection. 911 01:03:40,060 --> 01:03:45,660 "Breslau, December 1939. Subject: Securing Jewish holdings of art." 912 01:03:45,660 --> 01:03:52,540 The letter starts out by saying there's still some rich Jews left 913 01:03:52,540 --> 01:03:57,140 who, um, have rich art collections. 914 01:03:57,140 --> 01:04:00,620 And as first example he says 915 01:04:00,620 --> 01:04:04,100 "There's a Jew called David Friedmann," 916 01:04:04,100 --> 01:04:05,980 and even gives the address. 917 01:04:05,980 --> 01:04:09,780 It was in the villa in the city. 918 01:04:09,780 --> 01:04:14,580 Friedmann has a very good art collection 919 01:04:14,580 --> 01:04:17,060 and he starts listing it. 920 01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:19,460 French impressionists, 921 01:04:19,460 --> 01:04:23,540 like Pissarro, Rousseau, Courbet, 922 01:04:23,540 --> 01:04:27,180 Rafaelli, and then he says he has 923 01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:30,060 two Max Liebermanns. 924 01:04:30,060 --> 01:04:34,220 One is called The Basket Weaver, the other one 925 01:04:34,220 --> 01:04:37,900 is called Riders On The Beach. 926 01:04:41,420 --> 01:04:43,900 The letter ends by saying, 927 01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:47,620 "I have warned David Friedman not to 928 01:04:47,620 --> 01:04:52,580 "dispose of any of this art until I come back." 929 01:04:56,980 --> 01:05:00,620 Just along the lake from the artist Max Liebermann's summer house 930 01:05:00,620 --> 01:05:04,340 is the mansion where the Wannsee conference was held in January, 931 01:05:04,340 --> 01:05:08,420 1942, declaring the final solution. 932 01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:10,980 The total elimination of the Jews. 933 01:05:15,340 --> 01:05:20,860 Both David Toren's parents were gassed in Auschwitz, in 1943. 934 01:05:20,860 --> 01:05:25,060 They actually sent me a postcard the day before... 935 01:05:27,540 --> 01:05:30,580 that they would be resettled in the East, 936 01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:33,460 that was the term, "resettled". 937 01:05:33,460 --> 01:05:37,260 That's what the German used to tell them 938 01:05:37,260 --> 01:05:39,540 what would to happen with them. 939 01:05:39,540 --> 01:05:44,820 So I had, in Sweden, I had a vision of nice little houses with 940 01:05:44,820 --> 01:05:49,900 flowerpots outside where they would live, you know? 941 01:05:49,900 --> 01:05:54,940 But I hadn't the foggiest idea that these were death camps with 942 01:05:54,940 --> 01:05:58,060 the gas chambers and crematoriums. 943 01:05:59,620 --> 01:06:01,700 His great uncle, David Friedmann, 944 01:06:01,700 --> 01:06:03,820 died just before he could be deported. 945 01:06:05,940 --> 01:06:08,740 His art collection was taken away on trucks. 946 01:06:09,820 --> 01:06:13,660 Liebermann's Two Riders on the Beach ended up with Hildebrand Gurlitt. 947 01:06:22,500 --> 01:06:26,860 Liebermann dies 1935, what happens to his wife then? 948 01:06:26,860 --> 01:06:30,300 His wife has to suffer all this injustice 949 01:06:30,300 --> 01:06:33,540 all German Jews have to suffer that time. 950 01:06:33,540 --> 01:06:35,980 She has to give up this house in 1940. 951 01:06:37,620 --> 01:06:42,060 She sits in her flat with some of his pictures, what she's got left. 952 01:06:42,060 --> 01:06:46,500 Yeah yeah...and more and more alone! 953 01:06:46,500 --> 01:06:50,820 The only chance for her not to be deported to Theresienstadt 954 01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:52,700 was suicide in '43. 955 01:06:54,460 --> 01:06:56,300 A deplorable situation. 956 01:07:00,940 --> 01:07:04,020 TRANSLATION: The last portrait Max Liebermann painted of his wife 957 01:07:04,020 --> 01:07:06,820 was one of the pictures left in the flat after Martha Liebermann 958 01:07:06,820 --> 01:07:08,900 killed herself there. 959 01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:13,820 He painted it in 1930 with the title "Martha Liebermann In The Armchair." 960 01:07:19,620 --> 01:07:21,300 You could say that Martha Liebermann 961 01:07:21,300 --> 01:07:24,060 ended her own life under this portrait. 962 01:07:31,860 --> 01:07:34,500 Sophie Lissitzky-Kuppers' art collection, 963 01:07:34,500 --> 01:07:37,420 left on loan to the local museum, when she went 964 01:07:37,420 --> 01:07:40,780 to Russia in the '20s, was seized for the Degenerate art show. 965 01:07:42,620 --> 01:07:45,900 Her two sons from her first marriage had joined her in Siberia. 966 01:07:45,900 --> 01:07:49,420 She'd had another son with the artist El Lissitzky, 967 01:07:49,420 --> 01:07:51,860 who was now very ill with TB. 968 01:07:55,780 --> 01:08:00,140 Her son, Kurt, Anita's father, couldn't get on with Lissitzky. 969 01:08:03,940 --> 01:08:05,780 TRANSLATION: At some point they are 970 01:08:05,780 --> 01:08:08,020 said to have pulled guns out on each other. 971 01:08:08,020 --> 01:08:10,060 But that's all hearsay and long ago. 972 01:08:13,500 --> 01:08:16,460 All I knew was that this relationship was not 973 01:08:16,460 --> 01:08:17,980 particularly happy. 974 01:08:20,500 --> 01:08:26,100 So in 1935, as a teenager, Kurt went back alone to Germany. 975 01:08:26,100 --> 01:08:29,140 He returned just as others were struggling to get out. 976 01:08:31,220 --> 01:08:33,820 TRANSLATION: He'd come from the Soviet Union 977 01:08:33,820 --> 01:08:36,540 and thought, "I'll go back to my old homeland." 978 01:08:40,100 --> 01:08:43,380 When someone came from the Soviet Union to Nazi Germany, 979 01:08:43,380 --> 01:08:46,180 he never thought that he would be so conspicuous... 980 01:08:50,060 --> 01:08:51,580 ..and that lots of people would be 981 01:08:51,580 --> 01:08:54,300 paying attention to what he said and what he got up to. 982 01:08:56,980 --> 01:09:01,220 To start with he was sent to a work camp. 983 01:09:01,220 --> 01:09:03,780 And then he was sent to a concentration camp, 984 01:09:03,780 --> 01:09:08,380 due to his refusal to fight in the war and his pro-Soviet propaganda. 985 01:09:11,580 --> 01:09:14,220 During the war, Lissitzky died of pneumonia 986 01:09:14,220 --> 01:09:16,220 and Sophie was sent to Siberia. 987 01:09:21,140 --> 01:09:24,380 TRANSLATION: The Germans were expelled from Moscow. 988 01:09:27,660 --> 01:09:30,860 They were the enemy and had to be sent a long way away, 989 01:09:30,860 --> 01:09:33,140 so they were all deported. 990 01:09:33,140 --> 01:09:35,940 She was given two days' grace and allowed to take her son, 991 01:09:35,940 --> 01:09:38,580 I mean, Jen Lissitzky, with her. 992 01:09:38,580 --> 01:09:41,460 At that point he was still small. 993 01:09:41,460 --> 01:09:43,860 And she also took a canary and a blanket. 994 01:09:43,860 --> 01:09:46,860 That was all she had to start a new life in Siberia with. 995 01:09:49,340 --> 01:09:52,220 She always told the story about the way 996 01:09:52,220 --> 01:09:57,100 she got sent away with the boy, a canary and a blanket and that 997 01:09:57,100 --> 01:10:00,140 the bird died on the journey. 998 01:10:00,140 --> 01:10:01,780 It froze to death. 999 01:10:04,820 --> 01:10:08,420 The other son died in the Soviet Union, in an internment camp, 1000 01:10:08,420 --> 01:10:10,140 because he was a German. 1001 01:10:18,740 --> 01:10:20,620 So both boys had bad experiences. 1002 01:10:22,900 --> 01:10:25,540 Although, what could have been right at that time? 1003 01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:28,980 That's the proof that you can take different paths 1004 01:10:28,980 --> 01:10:31,780 and nonetheless end up with the same fate. 1005 01:10:37,300 --> 01:10:40,540 All the horrors of the 20th century are summed up in Sophie's 1006 01:10:40,540 --> 01:10:42,380 family story. 1007 01:10:42,380 --> 01:10:44,300 All the more grotesque, then, 1008 01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:47,660 that back in Germany, Hildebrand Gurlitt and the other dealers 1009 01:10:47,660 --> 01:10:51,740 were already making hay with Sophie's art collection. 1010 01:10:51,740 --> 01:10:53,980 After the Degenerate art show, 1011 01:10:53,980 --> 01:10:57,860 it should have been returned to her as it was her private property. 1012 01:11:03,220 --> 01:11:06,380 It was robbed by the Nazis. They didn't do 1013 01:11:06,380 --> 01:11:10,740 anything against it, since she was a German enemy, as a communist living 1014 01:11:10,740 --> 01:11:13,820 in Russia, they looked at her as a 1015 01:11:13,820 --> 01:11:16,900 betrayer of national socialism. 1016 01:11:18,940 --> 01:11:20,860 Paul Klee's Swamp Legend, 1017 01:11:20,860 --> 01:11:23,700 which Sophie and her first husband had bought 1018 01:11:23,700 --> 01:11:28,140 direct from the artist in his Munich studio, was picked up by Gurlitt. 1019 01:11:29,740 --> 01:11:32,540 Hildebrand Gurlitt bought the Klee 1020 01:11:32,540 --> 01:11:35,980 and many other paintings far below the market value, because it 1021 01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:39,820 was degenerate art, because the Nazis wanted to get rid of it. 1022 01:11:41,300 --> 01:11:44,900 And that's how Gurlitt and people like him made their profit. 1023 01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:52,860 Another of Goebbels's four appointed dealers, Ferdinand Moeller, bought 1024 01:11:52,860 --> 01:11:57,300 the Kandinsky that used to hang in Sophie and Paul's flat in Hannover. 1025 01:12:03,140 --> 01:12:06,580 Gurlitt was running his own gallery in Hamburg. 1026 01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:10,540 He was selling art to collectors, secretly, clandestinely. 1027 01:12:10,540 --> 01:12:14,300 He had one room full of all the 19th century artworks 1028 01:12:14,300 --> 01:12:16,460 that was acceptable to the Nazis 1029 01:12:16,460 --> 01:12:19,660 and then a backroom where he dealt in all this expressionist art. 1030 01:12:22,140 --> 01:12:24,780 There were still collectors, amazingly, 1031 01:12:24,780 --> 01:12:26,500 still brave enough to buy this art. 1032 01:12:30,580 --> 01:12:33,860 He ran that gallery until he got bombed out 1033 01:12:33,860 --> 01:12:35,900 of his Hamburg apartment... 1034 01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:42,100 ..and he moved back to Dresden. 1035 01:12:42,100 --> 01:12:47,420 And Dresden was the centre of power for the art world in Nazi Germany. 1036 01:12:50,180 --> 01:12:53,220 He climbed up the career ladder 1037 01:12:53,220 --> 01:12:59,100 and became one of the main art dealers to buy 1038 01:12:59,100 --> 01:13:03,740 art from all over Europe for the planned Fuhrer Museum. 1039 01:13:05,820 --> 01:13:10,220 This was Hitler's pet project, though it never came to fruition. 1040 01:13:10,220 --> 01:13:13,500 This museum in his childhood hometown of Linz was to 1041 01:13:13,500 --> 01:13:17,980 display the wealth and grandeur of the Thousand Year Reich. 1042 01:13:17,980 --> 01:13:21,660 The masterpieces of the whole world - largely looted, 1043 01:13:21,660 --> 01:13:24,100 or bought in exchange for degenerate art. 1044 01:13:31,580 --> 01:13:35,060 But in February 1945, Dresden too was bombed. 1045 01:13:38,100 --> 01:13:40,740 The Russians were advancing from the East. 1046 01:13:40,740 --> 01:13:43,540 Hildebrand Gurlitt fled. 1047 01:13:43,540 --> 01:13:47,220 Ironically, the Dresden bombing saved the life of his neighbour, 1048 01:13:47,220 --> 01:13:49,180 Fritz Glaser. 1049 01:13:49,180 --> 01:13:52,020 It came just as he was to be sent to Auschwitz. 1050 01:13:58,220 --> 01:14:01,460 The end of the war would prove a false dawn for those whose 1051 01:14:01,460 --> 01:14:03,700 art had been plundered. 1052 01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:07,260 Next week, in Sins of the Fathers, we follow the trail 1053 01:14:07,260 --> 01:14:10,100 of the lost art and of Hildebrand Gurlitt. 1054 01:14:10,100 --> 01:14:14,420 How did it happen that his son was found 60 years later, holed up 1055 01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:17,500 with his father's treasure trove? 1056 01:14:17,500 --> 01:14:19,820 TV: Nearly 1,500 priceless paintings have been 1057 01:14:19,820 --> 01:14:22,460 discovered at a house in Germany... 1058 01:14:22,460 --> 01:14:24,980 The week after the story broke, the Deputy Director 1059 01:14:24,980 --> 01:14:27,940 of The Belvedere Museum, in Vienna said, "I don't know what all 1060 01:14:27,940 --> 01:14:31,540 "the fuss is about, everybody knows about the Gurlitt art collection." 1061 01:14:31,540 --> 01:14:35,380 It indicated this huge division that there is between those 1062 01:14:35,380 --> 01:14:39,620 people in the art world who know where the bodies are buried. 1063 01:14:39,620 --> 01:14:43,500 And those people who've been searching for their art for so long 1064 01:14:43,500 --> 01:14:47,140 who have no idea where it is and nobody will tell them where it is. 1065 01:14:52,020 --> 01:14:56,060 It's a story of complicity, cover up and denial. 91211

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