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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:40,599 It was a surprise, huh? Holy cow! 2 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,760 Yeah, surprise is an understatement. Oh, my God! 3 00:01:43,761 --> 00:01:46,240 It was worse when I got the phone call about this. 4 00:01:46,241 --> 00:01:48,361 Oh, jeepers creepers! 5 00:01:48,362 --> 00:01:51,201 It was like one of those... what, what, what? 6 00:01:51,202 --> 00:01:53,641 Yeah, it was 2.30 in the morning. Oh, my God. 7 00:01:53,642 --> 00:01:56,882 "You're telling me I need to come. Goddamn, I'm sleeping, why?" 8 00:01:56,883 --> 00:02:00,443 "Well, we found the blow poke." "OK, I'm coming." 9 00:02:19,726 --> 00:02:23,606 You push that with... See, there's a little bit of fresh metal there. 10 00:02:23,607 --> 00:02:26,326 That's because of the knife. That's because of the knife. 11 00:02:26,327 --> 00:02:30,487 The rest of that then looks fairly oxidised. 12 00:02:30,488 --> 00:02:34,287 To me, it looks even... See inside, the threads are there? Right. 13 00:02:34,288 --> 00:02:36,767 The thing's dirty, it's got grime on it. 14 00:02:36,768 --> 00:02:39,728 If you take the cue tip, particularly down this end here, 15 00:02:39,729 --> 00:02:43,728 it come off dirty, very dirty, so it hasn't been cleaned. Right. 16 00:02:43,729 --> 00:02:46,529 There's plenty of dust and debris on it. 17 00:02:46,530 --> 00:02:51,330 There's nothing here that's jumping out saying it looks like blood, 18 00:02:51,331 --> 00:02:55,050 and there's no atypical positive reaction to blood. 19 00:02:55,051 --> 00:02:59,131 OK. You know, there's nothing here. OK. 20 00:02:59,132 --> 00:03:03,051 Will we use it and then if we get fucked, we'll just say you? Yeah. 21 00:03:03,052 --> 00:03:05,732 THEY LAUGH 22 00:03:05,733 --> 00:03:09,293 All right, come and help me... Help me put this back together, brother. 23 00:03:11,213 --> 00:03:13,013 PHONE RINGS 24 00:03:13,014 --> 00:03:14,254 Hey, Mike. 25 00:03:16,494 --> 00:03:18,814 Yeah, I'm not worried about it. 26 00:03:22,735 --> 00:03:24,535 Nah, don't worry about it. 27 00:03:25,575 --> 00:03:27,136 I understand, all right. 28 00:03:28,696 --> 00:03:30,296 No blood on the blow poke. 29 00:03:35,457 --> 00:03:39,377 Er, whatever. I mean, whatever he used, there's no blood. 30 00:03:41,378 --> 00:03:42,977 Yeah. OK? 31 00:03:42,978 --> 00:03:45,178 All right. Bye. 32 00:03:59,300 --> 00:04:03,420 It's one of those moments that could be a turning-point moment, 33 00:04:03,421 --> 00:04:06,941 you know, where the jury's sort of... 34 00:04:08,182 --> 00:04:11,661 ..look at Hardin and say, "Now what are you going to do?" 35 00:04:11,662 --> 00:04:16,462 You know, "You've been talking about this missing blow poke 36 00:04:16,463 --> 00:04:19,343 "since May 5th. 37 00:04:20,663 --> 00:04:22,743 "And here it is. 38 00:04:22,744 --> 00:04:26,183 "And it's not bent and it's not covered with blood 39 00:04:26,184 --> 00:04:30,624 "and it wasn't gotten rid of and it's not mysteriously missing. 40 00:04:30,625 --> 00:04:34,625 "So... what are you going to say now?" 41 00:04:35,706 --> 00:04:41,226 Um... it's one of those moments that trial lawyers enjoy. 42 00:04:49,187 --> 00:04:50,868 Ah, jeez! 43 00:04:54,148 --> 00:04:56,028 Trial lawyers and film-makers. 44 00:04:59,589 --> 00:05:02,949 Don't be overconfident. Do not be overconfident. 45 00:05:15,071 --> 00:05:17,951 Hi, Julia. How are you? 46 00:05:17,952 --> 00:05:20,831 Good, how are you? I'm good, thank you. 47 00:05:20,832 --> 00:05:22,312 Oh, thanks. 48 00:05:32,154 --> 00:05:34,634 That's fine. You're welcome to. Excuse me. 49 00:05:46,676 --> 00:05:49,035 Further evidence from the defendant? Yes, sir. 50 00:05:49,036 --> 00:05:52,997 At this time, the defence will call Detective Art Holland to the stand. 51 00:05:58,077 --> 00:06:01,157 Do you solemnly swear the testimony you are about to give the court 52 00:06:01,158 --> 00:06:03,557 and the jury in the case now being heard to be the truth 53 00:06:03,558 --> 00:06:05,517 and nothing but the truth, so help you God? 54 00:06:05,518 --> 00:06:07,159 Yes, I do. Please be seated. 55 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,720 Detective Holland, good morning, first of all. Good morning. 56 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:21,000 After you showed us this item in May, 57 00:06:21,001 --> 00:06:25,040 that the district attorney was contending was similar to the... 58 00:06:25,041 --> 00:06:26,680 to the murder weapon, 59 00:06:26,681 --> 00:06:30,041 did you ever ask either myself... 60 00:06:30,042 --> 00:06:33,001 or Mr Maher or Mr Durette 61 00:06:33,002 --> 00:06:36,682 whether, after having looked at it and seen it finally in May, 62 00:06:36,683 --> 00:06:41,603 whether we ever had located the blow poke? 63 00:06:41,604 --> 00:06:43,164 No, I didn't. 64 00:06:51,685 --> 00:06:53,844 Did you just assume... 65 00:06:53,845 --> 00:06:55,846 that it was gone? 66 00:06:57,206 --> 00:06:59,006 Gone or put up somewhere. 67 00:07:07,127 --> 00:07:10,448 Let me show you what's been marked defence exhibit 280. 68 00:07:18,889 --> 00:07:20,968 You see that? Yes, sir. 69 00:07:20,969 --> 00:07:25,290 Now, this 280, that's a blow poke, isn't it? 70 00:07:26,450 --> 00:07:30,810 Is that what it appears to be? It appears to be a blow poke. 71 00:07:30,811 --> 00:07:36,451 And the metal tip at the end that's on this one... 72 00:07:39,452 --> 00:07:41,652 ..isn't on that one, right? 73 00:07:43,172 --> 00:07:44,372 That's correct. 74 00:07:44,373 --> 00:07:48,453 But other than that, if we look at the handle, for example... 75 00:07:53,574 --> 00:07:56,334 ..that's pretty much the same thing, isn't it? 76 00:07:58,695 --> 00:08:03,094 Do you see this end here you blow into? It appears to be. 77 00:08:03,095 --> 00:08:07,136 You see a bunch of spiderweb-looking things... 78 00:08:08,336 --> 00:08:11,776 ..on it? You see on the handle area there, you see that? 79 00:08:11,777 --> 00:08:13,696 It's hard to tell from the plastic. 80 00:08:13,697 --> 00:08:17,737 All right, can you see the dead bugs in the little... 81 00:08:19,178 --> 00:08:21,937 ..plastic thing there? It appears to be. 82 00:08:21,938 --> 00:08:24,818 This doesn't appear to you to be mangled, does it? 83 00:08:26,139 --> 00:08:28,578 It doesn't appear to have any dents in it. 84 00:08:28,579 --> 00:08:30,778 Does this appear to you, 280, 85 00:08:30,779 --> 00:08:35,339 to be the blow poke that Mr Hardin has been talking about 86 00:08:35,340 --> 00:08:39,219 being mysteriously missing since this trial began? 87 00:08:39,220 --> 00:08:41,741 Objection, characterisation. Sustained. 88 00:08:42,741 --> 00:08:45,420 Does this appear to you to be the blow poke 89 00:08:45,421 --> 00:08:51,782 that Mr Hardin stated in his opening statement was mysteriously missing? 90 00:09:06,224 --> 00:09:08,584 Their problem is, if they assent to that, 91 00:09:08,585 --> 00:09:11,745 if they don't like the results, they're sort of stuck with them. 92 00:10:12,274 --> 00:10:14,913 The prosecutors have talked about a missing blow poke 93 00:10:14,914 --> 00:10:16,994 and how it could have been the murder weapon. 94 00:10:16,995 --> 00:10:18,754 It could have been the murder weapon. 95 00:10:18,755 --> 00:10:21,714 Today, the defence pulled out a blow poke and told jurors 96 00:10:21,715 --> 00:10:23,194 it wasn't missing at all. 97 00:10:23,195 --> 00:10:26,876 They claim police just never saw it in the garage. 98 00:10:30,156 --> 00:10:33,236 I asked Jim Hardin if he was surprised by today's developments. 99 00:10:33,237 --> 00:10:34,596 He said he wasn't, 100 00:10:34,597 --> 00:10:37,196 that he was expecting something like this to happen. 101 00:10:37,197 --> 00:10:39,157 He was expecting something like this... 102 00:10:39,158 --> 00:10:41,837 He was expecting something like this to happen. 103 00:10:41,838 --> 00:10:45,078 In general, I got a chance to look at the blow poke during lunch 104 00:10:45,079 --> 00:10:48,478 and it's definitely not the same as the one that my Aunt Candace 105 00:10:48,479 --> 00:10:51,118 has brought into court, so that leaves 106 00:10:51,119 --> 00:10:54,279 a lot of speculation there as far as things go. 107 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:57,119 Um... it has very... 108 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:01,000 very distinct differences between the two. 109 00:11:01,001 --> 00:11:03,680 But, I mean, more importantly, the thing is, 110 00:11:03,681 --> 00:11:06,361 that regardless of, you know, you produce an autop... 111 00:11:06,362 --> 00:11:10,761 you produce a blow poke the day that you rest your case 112 00:11:10,762 --> 00:11:15,442 and I feel like it's just to really create a commotion and things. 113 00:11:15,443 --> 00:11:18,802 The fact is, you can show that, you can claim whatever you want 114 00:11:18,803 --> 00:11:21,283 about it, it's not going to change the autopsy report, 115 00:11:21,284 --> 00:11:24,323 so it really doesn't put a hole in the prosecution's case the way 116 00:11:24,324 --> 00:11:27,364 I think David Rudolf's attitude thought that it would today. 117 00:11:27,365 --> 00:11:30,644 It doesn't change the fact that my mother's autopsy report says 118 00:11:30,645 --> 00:11:33,324 she was beaten to death, and if it was with a blow poke, 119 00:11:33,325 --> 00:11:35,565 if this was the blow poke, I don't know, 120 00:11:35,566 --> 00:11:38,245 but it was with something and that's how she ended up 121 00:11:38,246 --> 00:11:39,885 at the bottom of the stairs. 122 00:11:39,886 --> 00:11:43,487 Nothing is going to change that, you know, that's finalised. 123 00:11:46,647 --> 00:11:49,887 That was easy, wasn't it? OK, sure. Done and done. 124 00:11:49,888 --> 00:11:51,448 Can I go home now? 125 00:11:54,609 --> 00:11:56,728 The defendant brought into court 126 00:11:56,729 --> 00:11:59,608 what they've described as a found blow poke. 127 00:11:59,609 --> 00:12:03,409 With that, Candace Zamperini undertook to see 128 00:12:03,410 --> 00:12:06,049 whether she could locate the other blow pokes 129 00:12:06,050 --> 00:12:10,130 that she had given to friend and family members. 130 00:12:10,131 --> 00:12:12,850 She's been able to locate two of those 131 00:12:12,851 --> 00:12:14,690 and they were sent to my office 132 00:12:14,691 --> 00:12:16,931 and I wanted to inform the court of that 133 00:12:16,932 --> 00:12:19,171 to make sure that you were aware of it. 134 00:12:19,172 --> 00:12:22,533 So we do not intend to offer that in evidence at this point. 135 00:12:24,053 --> 00:12:28,092 I'm letting you know that they're available and they can look at those 136 00:12:28,093 --> 00:12:30,933 and inspect them in my office. And I appreciate that. 137 00:12:30,934 --> 00:12:35,773 I didn't get the facts yesterday cos I didn't see it on the machine. 138 00:12:35,774 --> 00:12:39,134 But we'll take a look at it over the break today. Thank you. 139 00:12:39,135 --> 00:12:41,574 Otherwise, are counsel ready to proceed? Yes, sir. 140 00:12:41,575 --> 00:12:43,295 All right. 141 00:12:48,576 --> 00:12:50,817 John, this one is quite hollow. 142 00:12:52,857 --> 00:12:55,897 Hmm! Not a bad way to end the case, huh? 143 00:12:57,458 --> 00:13:01,097 Make sure he says that it's the same rounded edge. 144 00:13:01,098 --> 00:13:06,179 Rounded edges, yeah. There's a little bevel there. No screws. 145 00:13:07,659 --> 00:13:10,378 Appears to be a little thread in there. The other one. 146 00:13:10,379 --> 00:13:13,059 Don't, one's enough, Ron. 147 00:13:13,060 --> 00:13:14,820 Leave it. Don't break it. 148 00:13:16,180 --> 00:13:20,820 Have they been in the basement too? Yeah. Look down here. 149 00:13:20,821 --> 00:13:23,380 I mean, that's... 150 00:13:23,381 --> 00:13:26,461 The blow pokes match. 151 00:13:26,462 --> 00:13:27,901 How big is that? 152 00:13:27,902 --> 00:13:30,742 Candace just can't keep her fucking mouth shut. 153 00:13:31,782 --> 00:13:33,063 Thank you. 154 00:13:34,183 --> 00:13:36,943 I don't think I'd be here if she'd kept her mouth shut. 155 00:13:39,544 --> 00:13:42,503 Defendant's 301 and 302 are the other two blow pokes 156 00:13:42,504 --> 00:13:46,344 that Miss Zamperini had sent to the district attorney's office 157 00:13:46,345 --> 00:13:48,384 that we just got over lunch, correct? 158 00:13:48,385 --> 00:13:49,744 That's correct. 159 00:13:49,745 --> 00:13:51,624 And have you had a chance, sir, 160 00:13:51,625 --> 00:13:54,585 to compare defence exhibits 301 and 302 161 00:13:54,586 --> 00:13:57,065 with defendant's exhibit 280A, 162 00:13:57,066 --> 00:13:59,745 the one that was found in Mr Peterson's home? 163 00:13:59,746 --> 00:14:03,746 I've only observed one of the two that was sent, not both of them. 164 00:14:03,747 --> 00:14:06,987 All right, well, why don't you take a look at the two of them here, 165 00:14:06,988 --> 00:14:08,587 if you could? 166 00:14:08,588 --> 00:14:11,787 This is a 280, the one that was... Yes, sir. 167 00:14:11,788 --> 00:14:13,547 ..found in Mr Peterson's home. 168 00:14:13,548 --> 00:14:17,588 And this is 301, one of the ones that were sent. Yes, sir. 169 00:14:17,589 --> 00:14:21,109 Can you compare those two for the jury? 170 00:14:21,110 --> 00:14:22,950 Are they the same height? 171 00:14:25,270 --> 00:14:27,669 The defendant's exhibit's a little taller. 172 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:29,391 The length's a little longer. 173 00:14:35,032 --> 00:14:36,831 Does it have a bevel there? 174 00:14:36,832 --> 00:14:38,191 Yes, sir. 175 00:14:38,192 --> 00:14:40,311 Threads inside? 176 00:14:40,312 --> 00:14:41,592 Yes, sir. 177 00:14:43,193 --> 00:14:49,713 So, can we agree that the missing blow poke has been found? 178 00:14:49,714 --> 00:14:51,434 Objection. Sustained. 179 00:14:53,794 --> 00:14:58,235 We move 301 and 302 into evidence, your honour. It's allowed. 180 00:15:01,435 --> 00:15:04,715 Did... Not that photograph. 181 00:15:04,716 --> 00:15:06,675 Oh, here's the little, um... 182 00:15:06,676 --> 00:15:09,476 Dust, it looks like a spider leg here. 183 00:15:10,597 --> 00:15:13,716 This was supposed to be some type of... something to make you think 184 00:15:13,717 --> 00:15:16,556 that blow poke had been there since December 2001, I guess. 185 00:15:16,557 --> 00:15:18,997 Here's a cobweb, that's significant. 186 00:15:18,998 --> 00:15:22,158 Here's a little bit of... goo or something. 187 00:15:23,719 --> 00:15:26,918 Ladies and gentlemen, we really don't know what this is. 188 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,238 You've been given no information about who found it, 189 00:15:30,239 --> 00:15:33,200 when it was found, why it was there. 190 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:39,240 So I argue to you that exhibit 280A is just a piece of nothing. 191 00:15:39,241 --> 00:15:40,561 Nothing. 192 00:15:41,761 --> 00:15:44,921 We have never told you that we are absolutely certain 193 00:15:44,922 --> 00:15:48,081 that it was the blow poke that killed Miss Peterson. 194 00:15:48,082 --> 00:15:51,762 We do believe, if it wasn't the blow poke that Candace had given them, 195 00:15:51,763 --> 00:15:53,882 that it was something similar to that, 196 00:15:53,883 --> 00:15:56,562 and you've heard from expert testimony why we believe that. 197 00:15:56,563 --> 00:15:59,043 But they are talking about us doing something last-minute 198 00:15:59,044 --> 00:16:01,803 when they dared to pull that piece of evidence out in front of you 199 00:16:01,804 --> 00:16:03,563 two days before they rested. 200 00:16:03,564 --> 00:16:05,524 Does that make common sense to you? 201 00:16:05,525 --> 00:16:06,884 You need to keep in mind, 202 00:16:06,885 --> 00:16:09,684 we're not dealing with the average individual over here. 203 00:16:09,685 --> 00:16:11,965 We're dealing with a fictional writer. 204 00:16:13,326 --> 00:16:16,165 Some people even say he's a good fictional writer. 205 00:16:16,166 --> 00:16:20,287 He is a person who knows how to create a fictional plot. 206 00:16:21,527 --> 00:16:22,927 And then there's Brad. 207 00:16:25,807 --> 00:16:31,408 Do you really believe that Kathleen knew... 208 00:16:33,288 --> 00:16:36,209 ..that Mr Peterson was bisexual? 209 00:16:38,529 --> 00:16:41,809 Does that make common sense to you that it was OK with her 210 00:16:41,810 --> 00:16:46,089 to go to work while he stayed at home and communicated by e-mail 211 00:16:46,090 --> 00:16:49,890 and telephone with people he was planning on having sex with? 212 00:16:49,891 --> 00:16:52,770 And this isn't just a computer relationship. 213 00:16:52,771 --> 00:16:55,251 I asked Brad what they were going to do. He told you. 214 00:16:55,252 --> 00:16:57,011 And I don't mean to offend anybody, 215 00:16:57,012 --> 00:16:59,371 but he did say they were going to have anal sex. 216 00:16:59,372 --> 00:17:03,692 The only reason that meeting didn't take place was because of Brad. 217 00:17:03,693 --> 00:17:08,374 It wasn't because of Mr Peterson. He was fired up and ready to go. 218 00:17:09,414 --> 00:17:14,013 And you honestly believe that Kathleen Peterson knew about that? 219 00:17:14,014 --> 00:17:15,734 Would have approved of that? 220 00:17:15,735 --> 00:17:20,374 And it wasn't just Brad, you saw the rest of the things on his computer. 221 00:17:20,375 --> 00:17:23,175 Once again, those things were so filthy 222 00:17:23,176 --> 00:17:25,695 we can't even show them on TV. 223 00:17:25,696 --> 00:17:32,336 Filth, pure filth. This isn't people involved in a relationship. 224 00:17:32,337 --> 00:17:37,698 This is just any which way. This is called hard-core porn. 225 00:17:39,258 --> 00:17:42,417 Do you think she approved of this type of activity 226 00:17:42,418 --> 00:17:44,698 while she's off at work or sleeping? 227 00:17:44,699 --> 00:17:47,018 I argue to you that doesn't make sense. 228 00:17:47,019 --> 00:17:50,899 And that's not the way soul mates conduct themselves. 229 00:17:50,900 --> 00:17:52,660 That is not. 230 00:17:57,581 --> 00:17:59,220 Ladies and gentlemen, 231 00:17:59,221 --> 00:18:02,620 this photograph is the first photograph taken 232 00:18:02,621 --> 00:18:04,462 of Kathleen Peterson... 233 00:18:06,222 --> 00:18:08,701 ..at the autopsy table. 234 00:18:08,702 --> 00:18:13,103 It shows the very graphic, brutal nature of this killing. 235 00:18:14,343 --> 00:18:20,063 Ladies and gentlemen, if a picture is truly worth a thousand words, 236 00:18:20,064 --> 00:18:22,064 then this photograph... 237 00:18:23,184 --> 00:18:25,584 ..at least speaks a thousand words. 238 00:18:25,585 --> 00:18:27,665 This photograph speaks a thousand words. 239 00:18:28,785 --> 00:18:30,864 Look at all of these photographs 240 00:18:30,865 --> 00:18:33,266 that show that this woman was beaten. 241 00:18:35,026 --> 00:18:36,706 I was thinking... 242 00:18:37,706 --> 00:18:40,586 ..if a picture is worth a thousand words, 243 00:18:40,587 --> 00:18:42,867 and if we only knew... 244 00:18:44,707 --> 00:18:48,147 ..what Kathleen Peterson knew at the time of her death, 245 00:18:48,148 --> 00:18:50,787 and I started looking around the scene 246 00:18:50,788 --> 00:18:52,909 and in the stairwell and thinking... 247 00:18:54,549 --> 00:18:56,469 .."What if those walls could talk? 248 00:18:57,509 --> 00:18:58,909 "What would they say?" 249 00:19:00,550 --> 00:19:03,469 Ladies and gentlemen, these walls are talking. 250 00:19:03,470 --> 00:19:10,670 Kathleen Peterson is talking to us through the blood on these walls. 251 00:19:10,671 --> 00:19:16,672 She is screaming at us for truth and for justice. 252 00:19:18,192 --> 00:19:20,112 It's all in these photographs. 253 00:19:22,073 --> 00:19:23,952 Ladies and gentlemen, 254 00:19:23,953 --> 00:19:27,513 they've said Kathleen Peterson died of an accident. 255 00:19:28,554 --> 00:19:31,673 We've said that she has died of murder. 256 00:19:31,674 --> 00:19:34,794 And we ask that you return that verdict. 257 00:19:34,795 --> 00:19:36,275 Thank you. 258 00:19:38,835 --> 00:19:41,194 Well, let me tell you what my gut is. 259 00:19:41,195 --> 00:19:45,035 My gut is that what we want to do... 260 00:19:45,036 --> 00:19:50,636 is structure it around the whole reasonable doubt concept. 261 00:19:50,637 --> 00:19:54,436 OK. Go through the stuff that we do have evidence for. 262 00:19:54,437 --> 00:19:55,518 Mm-hm. 263 00:19:56,558 --> 00:19:59,397 That she fell, they've seen the stairs, 264 00:19:59,398 --> 00:20:01,877 they know how easy it is to fall there. 265 00:20:01,878 --> 00:20:04,958 You know, that the blood on her feet, you know, 266 00:20:04,959 --> 00:20:08,078 we can do the scenario of her being down on the ground 267 00:20:08,079 --> 00:20:10,959 for some period of time. We can do all that, 268 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,759 and then to say, but it's not our burden. All right. 269 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:15,519 And what this case is really about 270 00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,880 is whether they've proven their case beyond reasonable doubt. 271 00:20:18,881 --> 00:20:24,521 And then I think we want to hit the ten biggest reasonable doubts. 272 00:20:24,522 --> 00:20:27,241 Er, and, um... 273 00:20:27,242 --> 00:20:30,922 then I think... and I want to discuss each. 274 00:20:30,923 --> 00:20:33,802 Mm-hm. And spend some time on each. 275 00:20:33,803 --> 00:20:36,803 But then I think I want to say, "Now, that's ten... 276 00:20:38,124 --> 00:20:41,363 "I could do another 20." Mm-hm. 277 00:20:41,364 --> 00:20:45,364 "I could spend another four hours going through another 20." 278 00:20:45,365 --> 00:20:49,644 And just list them. Ten is nice if they're not equally strong, 279 00:20:49,645 --> 00:20:52,885 but strong enough that none of them get to the point of being... 280 00:20:52,886 --> 00:20:54,725 I think we can... We probably can, 281 00:20:54,726 --> 00:20:58,326 but I think it's important that they all be of substantial weight. 282 00:20:58,327 --> 00:21:02,486 Otherwise you're better with seven or eight or whatever. Oh, I agree. 283 00:21:02,487 --> 00:21:04,166 The blow poke's not missing. 284 00:21:04,167 --> 00:21:07,847 I mean, the blow poke is sort of like what Clinton said. 285 00:21:07,848 --> 00:21:11,447 It's the economy, stupid. It's the blow poke, stupid. 286 00:21:11,448 --> 00:21:14,768 I mean, it's here, they tied... 287 00:21:14,769 --> 00:21:20,410 they hitched their star to this wagon from the very beginning. 288 00:21:21,730 --> 00:21:24,969 I guess reasonable doubt number one is the blow poke is here. 289 00:21:24,970 --> 00:21:27,330 And it's not the murder weapon. OK. 290 00:21:27,331 --> 00:21:29,411 Er... there's no cast-off. 291 00:21:34,892 --> 00:21:37,932 Er... there's no brain injuries. 292 00:21:38,972 --> 00:21:43,892 I think it's important for me to make the jury understand 293 00:21:43,893 --> 00:21:48,453 that this is not about whether we've proven Michael is innocent. 294 00:21:48,454 --> 00:21:51,733 It's not even about whether Michael IS innocent. 295 00:21:51,734 --> 00:21:56,494 You know, in Scotland they have a verdict 296 00:21:56,495 --> 00:21:59,975 that is either guilty or not proven. 297 00:22:01,256 --> 00:22:04,335 And here we say guilty or not guilty. 298 00:22:04,336 --> 00:22:07,255 Well, not guilty is not the same as innocent. 299 00:22:07,256 --> 00:22:11,096 And not guilty is really the equivalent of not proven. 300 00:22:11,097 --> 00:22:12,936 Not proven beyond reasonable doubt. 301 00:22:12,937 --> 00:22:17,977 If I spend too much time arguing that he's innocent, 302 00:22:17,978 --> 00:22:22,418 I, in essence, I relieve the State of its burden of proof. 303 00:22:22,419 --> 00:22:25,258 I invite the jury the weigh - 304 00:22:25,259 --> 00:22:28,939 well, is Rudolf right or is Hardin right? 305 00:22:28,940 --> 00:22:33,699 Well, that's giving up a tremendous legal advantage 306 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:36,700 that all defendants have and should have. 307 00:22:36,701 --> 00:22:40,140 You know, what we've basically built into our system is the notion 308 00:22:40,141 --> 00:22:43,901 that we want to have guilt proven beyond reasonable doubt 309 00:22:43,902 --> 00:22:46,701 to avoid innocent people going to prison. 310 00:22:46,702 --> 00:22:49,862 It's not perfect, but that's the goal. 311 00:22:49,863 --> 00:22:55,302 And so, the real issue, the real issue in this case, 312 00:22:55,303 --> 00:22:58,263 is not whether we have proven 313 00:22:58,264 --> 00:23:03,745 that Kathleen Peterson died as a result of an accident. 314 00:23:05,305 --> 00:23:07,425 No. That's not our burden. 315 00:23:08,465 --> 00:23:12,146 The real issue, the one that you need to focus on... 316 00:23:13,146 --> 00:23:17,946 ..is whether the State has proven beyond a reasonable doubt, 317 00:23:17,947 --> 00:23:22,386 with proof that fully satisfies and entirely convinces you, 318 00:23:22,387 --> 00:23:25,707 that on the morning of December 9th, 2001, 319 00:23:25,708 --> 00:23:30,707 Michael Peterson beat Kathleen Peterson to death with a blow poke 320 00:23:30,708 --> 00:23:35,388 in that narrow stairway that all of you saw just a few weeks ago. 321 00:23:35,389 --> 00:23:39,109 And what I want to do this morning is to focus on 322 00:23:39,110 --> 00:23:42,630 the reasonable doubts in this case. 323 00:23:43,790 --> 00:23:45,950 The first reasonable doubt. 324 00:23:45,951 --> 00:23:48,510 The missing murder weapon isn't missing 325 00:23:48,511 --> 00:23:50,671 and it wasn't used in a murder. 326 00:23:52,151 --> 00:23:54,832 It doesn't get much simpler than that, does it? 327 00:23:55,832 --> 00:23:58,632 The State contended in its opening statement... 328 00:24:00,033 --> 00:24:04,552 ..that they would prove that the blow poke was, 329 00:24:04,553 --> 00:24:08,393 as Mr Hardin put it, mysteriously missing. 330 00:24:08,394 --> 00:24:11,713 Why was this blow poke so crucial to their case? 331 00:24:11,714 --> 00:24:14,554 You actually heard it from Mr Hardin in his opening. 332 00:24:14,555 --> 00:24:18,715 He needed something that was light enough to cause the lacerations... 333 00:24:19,755 --> 00:24:23,676 ..but not so heavy as to fracture the skull. 334 00:24:25,476 --> 00:24:27,756 So he was sort of walking a tightrope. 335 00:24:27,757 --> 00:24:32,037 And this was the tightrope he was walking. 336 00:24:35,398 --> 00:24:37,477 Reasonable doubt number two. 337 00:24:37,478 --> 00:24:39,397 There is no credible motive 338 00:24:39,398 --> 00:24:43,639 and you don't just decide to kill your wife for no reason. 339 00:24:44,919 --> 00:24:49,959 In opening statements, I told you all that everyone who knew 340 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,519 Kathleen and Michael Peterson knew 341 00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:57,160 that they were very much in love and happy. 342 00:24:57,161 --> 00:25:00,440 And in fact, when Candace Zamperini 343 00:25:00,441 --> 00:25:03,881 spoke to the police in December 2001, 344 00:25:03,882 --> 00:25:06,441 she used the term soul mate. 345 00:25:06,442 --> 00:25:08,641 And when she testified here, 346 00:25:08,642 --> 00:25:14,642 you didn't hear her say anything bad about the relationship. 347 00:25:14,643 --> 00:25:18,123 Sometimes, the absence of evidence speaks louder 348 00:25:18,124 --> 00:25:21,003 than anything that a defendant could produce. 349 00:25:21,004 --> 00:25:25,645 If there was a single witness, one, anywhere... 350 00:25:26,725 --> 00:25:32,086 ..who could say one bad thing about their relationship... 351 00:25:33,286 --> 00:25:36,085 ..you know you would have heard it. 352 00:25:36,086 --> 00:25:38,566 No-one came in and testified - 353 00:25:38,567 --> 00:25:42,606 not Caitlin, who's sat here for most of the trial. 354 00:25:42,607 --> 00:25:45,328 Not any of Kathleen's co-workers. 355 00:25:46,728 --> 00:25:49,008 Not any of Kathleen's friends. 356 00:25:50,008 --> 00:25:52,768 Reasonable doubt number three. 357 00:25:52,769 --> 00:25:59,609 There is one thing that everyone who went to the scene of 1810 Cedar 358 00:25:59,610 --> 00:26:03,330 on the night of December 9th agrees on. 359 00:26:04,770 --> 00:26:10,930 Michael Peterson was in profound, deep shock and grief 360 00:26:10,931 --> 00:26:13,212 over Kathleen's death. 361 00:26:16,852 --> 00:26:20,732 The words you speak when you reach your verdict 362 00:26:20,733 --> 00:26:23,412 will be the most important words 363 00:26:23,413 --> 00:26:26,814 that Michael Peterson and his family... 364 00:26:28,014 --> 00:26:32,454 ..will ever, ever, ever hear in their lives. 365 00:26:34,935 --> 00:26:41,135 And the words that Michael Peterson spoke on December 9th, 2001, 366 00:26:41,136 --> 00:26:45,176 when he called 911... 367 00:26:47,097 --> 00:26:51,657 ..should guide your verdict as you deliberate it. 368 00:26:58,498 --> 00:27:02,458 '911, what's your emergency? 1810 Cedar Street, please. 369 00:27:02,459 --> 00:27:05,658 'What's wrong? My wife's had an accident, she's still breathing. 370 00:27:05,659 --> 00:27:08,139 'What kind of accident? She fell down the stairs. 371 00:27:08,140 --> 00:27:09,819 'She's still breathing, please! 372 00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:11,979 'Is she conscious? What? Is she conscious? 373 00:27:11,980 --> 00:27:13,139 'No, she's unconscious. 374 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:17,340 'How many stairs did she fall down? Hello? How many stairs? Stairs? 375 00:27:17,341 --> 00:27:22,181 'How many stairs? I don't know. Calm down, sir. 376 00:27:22,182 --> 00:27:24,901 'Calm down. Oh, er... 15, 20, I don't know. 377 00:27:24,902 --> 00:27:27,541 'Please, get somebody here right away, please! 378 00:27:27,542 --> 00:27:31,302 'Somebody is despatched in an ambulance while I ask you questions. 379 00:27:31,303 --> 00:27:34,182 'It's... in Forest Hills. OK? 380 00:27:34,183 --> 00:27:40,023 'Please, please! Sir, somebody else is despatching the ambulance. 381 00:27:40,024 --> 00:27:42,664 'OK, is she awake now? 382 00:27:42,665 --> 00:27:44,225 'Hello? 383 00:27:46,825 --> 00:27:48,185 'Hello?' 384 00:27:51,106 --> 00:27:54,866 You know, I think one of the most strange comments... 385 00:27:56,146 --> 00:28:00,386 ..and actually a very true comment, was what Candace said on the stand 386 00:28:00,387 --> 00:28:04,668 when she said, "I don't know who that Michael Peterson is." 387 00:28:07,148 --> 00:28:11,428 You know... I don't know who that person is either 388 00:28:11,429 --> 00:28:13,108 who has been on trial, 389 00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:17,310 hearing all of these things and listening to all of these stories. 390 00:28:18,510 --> 00:28:24,030 These incredible things. I don't know who that person is either. 391 00:28:25,271 --> 00:28:27,991 But it isn't me, I know that. 392 00:28:29,591 --> 00:28:31,152 I am who I am. 393 00:28:32,152 --> 00:28:34,511 And I can live with that. 394 00:28:34,512 --> 00:28:36,311 And I told you in the beginning, 395 00:28:36,312 --> 00:28:41,352 I've never been terribly concerned what other people think, 396 00:28:41,353 --> 00:28:44,312 and I know that comes across as an arrogance, 397 00:28:44,313 --> 00:28:49,193 but I think that a lot of it has to do with peace, 398 00:28:49,194 --> 00:28:54,234 that I have never really ever sought to hurt anybody. 399 00:28:54,235 --> 00:28:58,754 Yes, I've done some bad things, yes, I've certainly inadvertently 400 00:28:58,755 --> 00:29:02,395 hurt people and I haven't led the most exemplary life. 401 00:29:02,396 --> 00:29:07,556 But I've never consciously gone out to hurt anybody. 402 00:29:07,557 --> 00:29:12,837 And I can, in a very loose definition... 403 00:29:14,038 --> 00:29:15,918 ..live at peace with myself. 404 00:29:16,958 --> 00:29:19,158 And if you can do that... 405 00:29:20,919 --> 00:29:24,559 ..it really doesn't make any difference where that is. 406 00:29:26,239 --> 00:29:28,320 So... I'll just... 407 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,599 ..probably just not be any different 408 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,760 on Tuesday or Wednesday or Thursday 409 00:29:35,761 --> 00:29:39,680 if I come back to this house or if I go somewhere else, 410 00:29:39,681 --> 00:29:43,241 it's not going to change who I am 411 00:29:43,242 --> 00:29:45,602 and who... when I am. 412 00:29:46,762 --> 00:29:48,882 It will be still me. 413 00:29:48,883 --> 00:29:53,203 And the trappings certainly could be very, very different. 414 00:29:54,403 --> 00:29:57,603 The environment certainly could be very different. 415 00:29:57,604 --> 00:29:59,364 But that's just... 416 00:30:01,845 --> 00:30:03,645 ..environment. 417 00:30:12,046 --> 00:30:15,966 Members of the jury, all of the evidence has been presented, 418 00:30:15,967 --> 00:30:20,486 it is now your duty to decide from this evidence what the facts are. 419 00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:24,567 The defendant has been charged with first-degree murder. 420 00:30:24,568 --> 00:30:27,607 Under the law and the evidence in this case, 421 00:30:27,608 --> 00:30:32,488 it is your duty to return one of the following verdicts. 422 00:30:32,489 --> 00:30:35,808 One - guilty of first-degree murder 423 00:30:35,809 --> 00:30:38,889 or... two - not guilty. 424 00:30:38,890 --> 00:30:41,329 Take the jury to the deliberation room 425 00:30:41,330 --> 00:30:45,651 and once you get the verdict sheet, you can begin your deliberations. 426 00:31:05,214 --> 00:31:07,133 LAUGHTER 427 00:31:07,134 --> 00:31:11,454 That was scary. That was so funny. Give them something to film. 428 00:31:11,455 --> 00:31:14,814 Leather... Dad! Some women, Germans... 429 00:31:14,815 --> 00:31:20,895 How far away? Can I come look at it when you go? Yes. 430 00:31:20,896 --> 00:31:23,095 Yes, absolutely. 431 00:31:23,096 --> 00:31:25,016 Absolutely, absolutely. 432 00:31:30,097 --> 00:31:33,337 Do you still... I mean, you've been practising law for 28 years, 433 00:31:33,338 --> 00:31:36,217 do you still get butterflies in your stomach? 434 00:31:36,218 --> 00:31:37,578 Um... 435 00:31:39,379 --> 00:31:43,778 Butterflies may not be quite the right word, I still feel anxious. 436 00:31:43,779 --> 00:31:47,300 I think I've gotten better at... 437 00:31:48,380 --> 00:31:50,579 ..putting it out of my mind while I'm waiting, 438 00:31:50,580 --> 00:31:53,260 but when the knock comes on the door, 439 00:31:53,261 --> 00:31:56,460 and they say they've reached a verdict, that's when... 440 00:31:56,461 --> 00:31:59,020 butterflies would probably be an understatement, 441 00:31:59,021 --> 00:32:03,741 it's more like bats and birds and all kinds of things floating around. 442 00:32:03,742 --> 00:32:06,541 How about for your client, for Mike Peterson? 443 00:32:06,542 --> 00:32:08,742 This is going to be a tough time too. 444 00:32:08,743 --> 00:32:12,102 He needs his space and he needs to be with his family 445 00:32:12,103 --> 00:32:15,543 and he needs to be with his kids, and that's... 446 00:32:15,544 --> 00:32:18,463 he doesn't need me, he needs the people 447 00:32:18,464 --> 00:32:22,544 who have supported him and loved him his whole life. 448 00:32:22,545 --> 00:32:24,305 Hand me my wine, will you? 449 00:32:27,065 --> 00:32:29,266 Go ahead. Thanks very much. 450 00:32:30,546 --> 00:32:32,625 Enjoy it, it could be your last. 451 00:32:32,626 --> 00:32:35,187 THEY LAUGH 452 00:32:36,907 --> 00:32:39,746 I'll take a bottle with me to court tomorrow. You'd better. 453 00:32:39,747 --> 00:32:42,787 It can go with all the other ones there. What about the...? 454 00:32:42,788 --> 00:32:47,067 My entire bar in evidence, right? Have you got the cyanide capsule? 455 00:32:47,068 --> 00:32:49,468 You're going out like... A cyanide capsule. 456 00:32:49,469 --> 00:32:52,829 Was it Himmler or...? Goring. Goring. That's right. 457 00:32:55,029 --> 00:32:58,189 Everybody, all the lawyers are handicapping this thing, 458 00:32:58,190 --> 00:33:01,709 so there's really hardly any possibility of a conviction. 459 00:33:01,710 --> 00:33:04,070 They're either talking about an acquittal 460 00:33:04,071 --> 00:33:06,150 or they're talking about a hung jury. 461 00:33:06,151 --> 00:33:09,870 Even Tom today told me that he expects an acquittal tomorrow 462 00:33:09,871 --> 00:33:13,151 and he said, you know, if it goes beyond Wednesday... 463 00:33:13,152 --> 00:33:17,632 PHONE RINGS ..then we might be thinking a hung jury. 464 00:33:17,633 --> 00:33:20,072 Nobody's thinking a conviction here. 465 00:33:20,073 --> 00:33:22,752 That is in fact what I wanted to talk to you about. 466 00:33:22,753 --> 00:33:27,553 And that is, you know, I always tell my clients, you've got a 10% chance 467 00:33:27,554 --> 00:33:32,074 of losing the case or 80% chance, 50-50 or whatever. 468 00:33:32,075 --> 00:33:37,074 You know, I handicap this thing extremely low, extremely low. 469 00:33:37,075 --> 00:33:40,795 But on the other hand, lightning strikes, you just never know. 470 00:33:40,796 --> 00:33:43,275 Twice sometimes. Yeah. 471 00:33:43,276 --> 00:33:45,597 I almost hope they believe that. 472 00:33:47,597 --> 00:33:50,276 But anyway, in the event, in the unlikely event, 473 00:33:50,277 --> 00:33:52,477 there will not be time to talk right away 474 00:33:52,478 --> 00:33:54,717 because they'll just take you right away. 475 00:33:54,718 --> 00:33:57,277 There'll be time later, in the evening we can talk, 476 00:33:57,278 --> 00:34:01,198 just like when you were in jail for that month in December. 477 00:34:01,199 --> 00:34:04,478 But it was a little bit different, you know, because we all got ready 478 00:34:04,479 --> 00:34:08,199 and took you down to the jail and we had a lot of time to talk. 479 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,759 Um... but I am convinced, 480 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,040 especially after hearing the jury instructions today, 481 00:34:15,041 --> 00:34:18,560 that this judge has committed prejudicial error already. 482 00:34:18,561 --> 00:34:21,721 Really? Well, that Ratliff stuff should never have come in. 483 00:34:21,722 --> 00:34:25,681 Nobody I've talked to can believe that that evidence was admitted. 484 00:34:25,682 --> 00:34:28,722 It's highly prejudicial, highly prejudicial. 485 00:34:28,723 --> 00:34:31,922 So I think it's reversible, and easily reversible, 486 00:34:31,923 --> 00:34:36,123 so what I wanted to tell you, we won't have time to talk tomorrow, 487 00:34:36,124 --> 00:34:40,084 you know, don't panic, you'll spend a year in prison. 488 00:34:41,805 --> 00:34:44,285 But you can do that standing on your head. 489 00:34:45,485 --> 00:34:49,285 But that's the important thing to keep in mind. The game is not over. 490 00:34:49,286 --> 00:34:51,285 So you're telling me to... 491 00:34:51,286 --> 00:34:54,447 Don't bolt for the door downstairs. Don't bolt for the door. 492 00:34:55,927 --> 00:34:57,367 OK, all right. 493 00:34:58,487 --> 00:35:00,887 Well, just... I've told... 494 00:35:05,128 --> 00:35:07,647 My affairs are perfectly in order. 495 00:35:07,648 --> 00:35:10,729 You know, Todd knows what to do. Yeah, OK. 496 00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:15,529 We've told him, you know... More powers of attorney. 497 00:35:15,530 --> 00:35:19,089 I'm going to take off my watch and just have 100 498 00:35:19,090 --> 00:35:22,010 and we'll stick them in my pants and I'll... Yeah. 499 00:35:23,371 --> 00:35:27,890 But mostly, the main thing, I want the kids removed from it, 500 00:35:27,891 --> 00:35:31,731 I want them taken out of here and this environment 501 00:35:31,732 --> 00:35:36,532 and I want them to go on, I mean, just absolutely go on. 502 00:35:36,533 --> 00:35:41,812 I trust you, Jack, to take care of everything, take care of my kids. 503 00:35:41,813 --> 00:35:46,173 Yeah. Cos they'll be a mess. They will be a wreck. 504 00:35:46,174 --> 00:35:49,533 Yeah, I know, I think that's right. Oh, they will be a wreck. 505 00:35:49,534 --> 00:35:51,574 They'll just be destroyed. 506 00:35:51,575 --> 00:35:55,455 Margaret and Martha will be... Ah, they'll just be... Yeah. 507 00:35:57,696 --> 00:35:59,215 So, bring 'em to Vegas. 508 00:35:59,216 --> 00:36:02,535 We'll send them up there. Margaret tried that... 509 00:36:02,536 --> 00:36:05,896 Listen, she's got the genes, so... 510 00:36:05,897 --> 00:36:08,056 That's fine. Yeah. 511 00:36:08,057 --> 00:36:10,496 I don't think it's going to happen tomorrow anyway. 512 00:36:10,497 --> 00:36:12,577 I don't think it's going to happen either. 513 00:36:12,578 --> 00:36:15,657 I don't even think we'll get a verdict tomorrow, I'd be surprised. 514 00:36:15,658 --> 00:36:17,417 But not terribly surprised. 515 00:36:17,418 --> 00:36:20,018 I can deal with whatever happens. 516 00:36:20,019 --> 00:36:26,339 Believe me, I was saying before, that it's all up here, basically. 517 00:36:26,340 --> 00:36:29,939 You know, Milton. "Make a heaven of our hell, a hell of our heaven." 518 00:36:29,940 --> 00:36:31,660 And I can... 519 00:36:32,861 --> 00:36:35,781 I can deal with it, I absolutely can. 520 00:38:11,155 --> 00:38:15,114 It's too terrifying, it would be like losing everything. 521 00:38:15,115 --> 00:38:17,155 I mean, we still have the family, 522 00:38:17,156 --> 00:38:19,035 but we just lost our mother, 523 00:38:19,036 --> 00:38:22,995 we lost our sister, and to lose our dad, who's basically... 524 00:38:22,996 --> 00:38:25,276 I mean, he's the foundation of the family. 525 00:38:25,277 --> 00:38:28,556 He is holding us together, he's the strongest person in this family 526 00:38:28,557 --> 00:38:29,996 and... 527 00:38:29,997 --> 00:38:32,157 I wouldn't... 528 00:38:32,158 --> 00:38:35,797 I don't think I'd be able to survive without him. 529 00:38:35,798 --> 00:38:39,718 I don't think I can... I can't really think about it too much 530 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,118 because it will just send me in too much of a depression. 531 00:38:44,119 --> 00:38:48,199 I couldn't... I couldn't live my life without my dad. 532 00:38:48,200 --> 00:38:51,600 People have told me, some of my friends have been like, 533 00:38:51,601 --> 00:38:55,280 "You know, Margaret, you should really plan just in case." 534 00:38:55,281 --> 00:39:01,281 And there's not been one single time where I could believe, 535 00:39:01,282 --> 00:39:03,281 no matter how corrupt any system is, 536 00:39:03,282 --> 00:39:06,482 I could believe that they could come with a guilty verdict. 537 00:39:06,483 --> 00:39:09,163 I mean, it won't happen. 538 00:39:28,886 --> 00:39:31,966 COURT CLERK MAKES ANNOUNCEMENT 539 00:39:33,086 --> 00:39:36,486 All right, now I'm going to bring the jury in, 540 00:39:36,487 --> 00:39:39,206 they're going to tell me what their verdict is 541 00:39:39,207 --> 00:39:41,567 and I'm going to need order in the court, 542 00:39:41,568 --> 00:39:44,367 getting this jury out of here and doing the things 543 00:39:44,368 --> 00:39:46,087 that I'm going to have to do, 544 00:39:46,088 --> 00:39:47,848 so, to the members of the public, 545 00:39:47,849 --> 00:39:50,248 if you think you're going to have difficulty 546 00:39:50,249 --> 00:39:52,168 accepting the jury's verdict 547 00:39:52,169 --> 00:39:55,809 and you're going to make noise or do something else disruptive 548 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,169 in the courtroom, 549 00:39:57,170 --> 00:40:02,450 I'm going to give you an opportunity to leave right now. 550 00:40:02,451 --> 00:40:07,330 Because if you disrupt my courtroom, while I'm doing this, 551 00:40:07,331 --> 00:40:11,011 and you cause a scene, I'm going to have you arrested. 552 00:40:11,012 --> 00:40:15,373 Mr Deputy, bring the jury in. Tell them to bring all their belongings. 553 00:40:19,693 --> 00:40:21,133 This way, please. 554 00:40:43,377 --> 00:40:46,696 All right, Ms Foreperson, I'm going to ask you some questions. 555 00:40:46,697 --> 00:40:48,816 Has the jury reached a unanimous verdict 556 00:40:48,817 --> 00:40:51,137 on the issue that was submitted to you? Yes. 557 00:40:51,138 --> 00:40:54,977 Have you marked the appropriate spaces on the verdict sheet? Yes. 558 00:40:54,978 --> 00:40:57,698 Have you signed your name and printed your name? Yes. 559 00:40:57,699 --> 00:41:00,579 All right, if you will give that sheet to the deputy, please. 560 00:41:14,741 --> 00:41:17,540 All right, Ms Clerk, if you will take the verdict. 561 00:41:17,541 --> 00:41:19,341 Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, 562 00:41:19,342 --> 00:41:21,421 you have returned the following verdict. 563 00:41:21,422 --> 00:41:24,501 State of North Carolina versus Michael Iver Peterson, 564 00:41:24,502 --> 00:41:28,662 file number 01 CRS 24821. 565 00:41:28,663 --> 00:41:32,423 "We, the 12 members of the jury, unanimously find the defendant 566 00:41:32,424 --> 00:41:34,663 "to be guilty of first-degree murder, 567 00:41:34,664 --> 00:41:37,303 "this the 10th day of October 2003," 568 00:41:37,304 --> 00:41:40,784 signed by foreperson, Kristen Jones. 569 00:41:40,785 --> 00:41:42,984 Is this your verdict, so say you all? 570 00:41:42,985 --> 00:41:44,544 Yes. 571 00:41:44,545 --> 00:41:47,105 All right, Ms Clerk, if you will call the jury. 572 00:41:47,106 --> 00:41:50,065 Miss Jones, you as foreperson have returned for your verdict 573 00:41:50,066 --> 00:41:53,266 that the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. 574 00:41:53,267 --> 00:41:56,666 Is this your verdict and do you still assent thereto? Yes. 575 00:41:56,667 --> 00:41:57,746 Thank you. 576 00:41:57,747 --> 00:42:00,867 Junior number one, Mr Harrison, if you please stand. 577 00:42:00,868 --> 00:42:03,707 Mr Harrison, your foreperson has returned for your verdict 578 00:42:03,708 --> 00:42:06,467 that the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. 579 00:42:06,468 --> 00:42:09,148 Is this your verdict and do you still assent thereto? 580 00:42:09,149 --> 00:42:10,348 Yes. Thank you. 581 00:42:10,349 --> 00:42:13,709 Junior number two, Mr Higgins, will you please stand? 582 00:42:13,710 --> 00:42:16,309 Mr Higgins, your foreperson has returned for your verdict 583 00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:19,069 that the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. 584 00:42:19,070 --> 00:42:21,830 Is this in your verdict and do you still assent thereto? 585 00:42:21,831 --> 00:42:23,470 Yes. Thank you. 586 00:42:23,471 --> 00:42:27,310 Juror number four, Miss Blackwell, if you please stand. 587 00:42:27,311 --> 00:42:30,391 Miss Blackwell, your foreperson has returned for you verdict 588 00:42:30,392 --> 00:42:33,071 that the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. 589 00:42:33,072 --> 00:42:36,152 Is this your verdict and do you still assent thereto? 590 00:42:36,153 --> 00:42:37,552 Yes. Thank you. 591 00:42:37,553 --> 00:42:41,112 Juror number five, will you please stand? 592 00:42:41,113 --> 00:42:44,593 Your foreperson has returned for your verdict 593 00:42:44,594 --> 00:42:47,233 that the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. 594 00:42:47,234 --> 00:42:50,194 Is this your verdict and do you still assent thereto? 595 00:42:50,195 --> 00:42:51,674 Yes. Thank you. 596 00:42:51,675 --> 00:42:53,954 Juror number 12, Mr Hall. 597 00:42:53,955 --> 00:42:56,755 Mr Hall, your foreperson has returned for your verdict 598 00:42:56,756 --> 00:42:59,395 that the defendant is guilty of first-degree murder. 599 00:42:59,396 --> 00:43:01,915 Is this your verdict and do you still assent thereto? 600 00:43:01,916 --> 00:43:03,516 Yes. Thank you. 601 00:43:03,517 --> 00:43:06,436 All right. Ms Court Recorder of the court finds 602 00:43:06,437 --> 00:43:11,357 a unanimous jury verdict, orders that it be recorded by the clerk. 603 00:43:11,358 --> 00:43:15,118 Mr Deputy, you take the jury to your assigned place. 604 00:43:37,682 --> 00:43:41,281 Mr Hardin, do you wish to be heard at all? Mr Rudolf? 605 00:43:41,282 --> 00:43:44,242 Judge, I don't think that the court has any discretion 606 00:43:44,243 --> 00:43:48,722 with regard to sentencing. Obviously we will be filing notice of appeal. 607 00:43:48,723 --> 00:43:52,003 But with regard to sentencing, we don't wish to be heard. 608 00:43:52,004 --> 00:43:55,123 All right, then, Mr Peterson, if you'll stand where you are, 609 00:43:55,124 --> 00:43:58,444 is there anything you want to say before the court imposes judgment? 610 00:43:58,445 --> 00:43:59,725 I would. 611 00:44:03,925 --> 00:44:06,086 It's OK. It's OK. 612 00:44:07,926 --> 00:44:09,326 It's OK. 613 00:44:10,406 --> 00:44:13,446 All right, then, Ms Clerk, the defendant is imprisoned 614 00:44:13,447 --> 00:44:16,126 in the North Carolina Department of Corrections 615 00:44:16,127 --> 00:44:19,848 for the remainder of his natural life without the benefit of parole. 616 00:44:21,288 --> 00:44:24,367 Mr Rudolf, do you wish to appeal at this time 617 00:44:24,368 --> 00:44:26,328 or are you going to think about it? 618 00:44:26,329 --> 00:44:28,049 We'll appeal later. All right, sir. 619 00:45:07,935 --> 00:45:09,175 All stand. 620 00:45:58,382 --> 00:46:02,382 Walk him right across here. Second door? Yes, sir. Go right ahead. 621 00:46:06,263 --> 00:46:09,103 Over here, come here, this way. 622 00:47:13,873 --> 00:47:17,472 If there's not at least reasonable doubt in this case, 623 00:47:17,473 --> 00:47:19,632 at least reasonable doubt, 624 00:47:19,633 --> 00:47:22,914 then I don't understand what I'm doing. 625 00:47:24,474 --> 00:47:28,554 And so, when the jury came in, it didn't just disappoint me, 626 00:47:28,555 --> 00:47:33,075 it shook the foundations of my beliefs. 627 00:47:34,236 --> 00:47:37,716 It shook the foundations of my beliefs in the justice system... 628 00:47:39,636 --> 00:47:41,957 ..in human beings... 629 00:47:43,597 --> 00:47:45,517 ..in my own abilities... 630 00:47:47,277 --> 00:47:48,918 ..in, um... 631 00:47:50,118 --> 00:47:51,638 ..my judgment... 632 00:47:55,919 --> 00:47:57,638 ..in my sense of reality. 633 00:47:57,639 --> 00:48:03,880 I mean, it didn't just surprise me, it truly stunned me. 634 00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:10,280 It... it just blew me away 635 00:48:10,281 --> 00:48:13,161 emotionally and psychologically. 53412

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