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*DEFENDING JACOB*
Season 01 Episode 07
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Episode Title: "Job"
Aired on: May 22, 2020
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Sync corrections by srjanapala
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[Neal] So you think
I'll win?
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Be surprised if you didn't.
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This is your first murder,
right?
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It's that obvious?
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No, no, you're doing great.
It's really well, yeah.
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I really appreciate you
taking the time here.
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Oh, come on, come on.
Actually I, uh...
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...took some notes.
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If you want.
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Yeah. Great.
Sure. [clears throat]
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So, um...
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- All right, your opening argument...
- Okay.
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You didn't look at him,
the defendant.
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- I didn't?
- No.
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And I'm not talking
about a passing glance.
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You gotta show the jury that
you can look at a defendant
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right in the eye and say, "Guilty."
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If you show them that you have
the courage to do that, so will they.
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Okay.
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That's great.
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[chuckles]
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- What else?
- Uh...
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I noticed you kinda stand
far away from the jury box.
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You always wanna be
closing that space.
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Makes the jurors feel
like you're one of them.
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Oh. You, uh... you said the
name of the defendant four times.
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I shouldn't do that?
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As far as you're
concerned,
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he doesn't have a name.
He's the defendant.
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His lawyer's gonna be doing
everything he can to humanize him.
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Don't make the job
any easier.
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Another round?
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- No, that's okay.
- Yes.
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Absolutely.
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Come on.
It's on me.
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You really think
I'm gonna win, huh?
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[door opens]
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[door closes]
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[chattering]
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Now, Jacob,
I know I've told you this before...
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[continues, indistinct]
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[whispering]
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[Joanna, indistinct]
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[indistinct]
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[chattering]
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Court, all rise.
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Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye.
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All persons having
anything to do
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before the Honorable
Judge French,
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a Justice of the Superior Court,
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now sitting within and
for the Commonwealth,
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draw near, give your attendance,
and you shall be heard.
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God save the Commonwealth
of Massachusetts
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and this most honorable court.
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This court's now open.
Please be seated.
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Number 08-44-07,
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Commonwealth versus
Jacob Owen Barber.
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A single count of
murder in the first degree.
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For the defendant,
Joanna Klein.
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For the Commonwealth,
Assistant District Attorney Neal Logiudice.
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Any preliminary motions
before we begin the voir dire?
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[Joanna] A couple of things,
yes, Your Honor.
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First, the defendant's father,
Andrew Barber,
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would like to enter
an appearance
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in the case on the
defendant's behalf.
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With the court's permission,
he's going to second chair me at trial.
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[Judge French] Is this a wise decision,
Ms. Klein?
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It is the family's wish,
Your Honor.
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All right, Mr. Barber,
you can come forward. What else?
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[Joanna] Your Honor,
I have filed a motion in limine
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to exclude any mention of the
defendant's grandfather William Barber,
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who is currently serving a life
sentence for first-degree murder.
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We believe
the Commonwealth may try to
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introduce this fact
to prejudice the jury.
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Your Honor,
the Commonwealth contends
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that the family's history of violence
is of great relevance.
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Your Honor, my client
has never once met the...
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I get it.
I read the motion.
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Defendant's objection is noted
and tabled.
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Should the Commonwealth
decide
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William Barber's criminal
record is critical to his case,
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he will first notify the defense,
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and then we'll have a
hearing on the matter.
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Otherwise,
not a word about this to the jury.
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Thank you, Your Honor.
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Yes, Your Honor.
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[Joanna] Lastly, the defense moves
to expand its witness list by two:
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Matthew McGrath
and Leonard Patz.
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- [Judge French] Commonwealth?
- We're fine with it, Your Honor.
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All right,
let's bring in the jury venire.
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All rise for the jury.
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- [chattering]
- [elevator bell dings]
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[chattering continues]
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[Andy] Retired bus driver,
works with kids. That's good.
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[Joanna] Yeah, I liked her.
Thanks, Ellen.
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They kept
staring at me.
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Oh, you'll get used to that.
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Just keep your eye
on the judge
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as much as possible...
or on your dad and me.
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Don't give 'em any reason to
not like you. No faces. Okay?
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[Joanna] You're doing great
so far.
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You all are.
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[Neal] You see, this wasn't just
an average boy, the defendant.
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No, something
set him apart.
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His father.
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A father who was the first
assistant district attorney.
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Top man,
right here in this building.
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For years,
the defendant watched his father
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prosecute every major
murder case in this county.
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He listened to
dinner conversations.
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Overheard phone calls,
shop talk.
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You might even say that
murder was the family business.
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But still,
the question remains "Why?"
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Why...
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would an eighth-grade boy
kill his classmate?
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Well, we've all been to school.
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We know
kids can be mean.
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You're gonna hear testimony
that the victim in this case,
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Ben Rifkin,
teased the defendant.
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Nothing shocking, but still, mean.
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Ben foolishly
mocked this young man,
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unaware of his hidden capacity,
even desire, to kill.
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Objection.
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[Judge French] Sustained.
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The jury will disregard the last
remark about the defendant's desire,
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which is speculation.
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And so, on April 12,
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the defendant walked into
the woods of Cold Spring Park
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with a knife in his pocket
and an idea in his mind.
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Did he ambush the victim,
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or were there words
exchanged first?
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Maybe Ben called him
a name.
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Or even threatened him.
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We don't know.
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All we know
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is that the defendant punched his
knife
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three times
into Ben Rifkin's chest,
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killing him.
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[softly] Three...
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[normal voice] evenly spaced wounds.
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One.
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Two.
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Three.
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You see a tragedy
as enormous as this,
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and it makes you furious.
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You want someone
to pay.
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I do too.
I do.
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It's only human.
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But Jacob Barber is
innocent.
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And I want to say that
again
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so that there is no
misunderstanding.
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Jacob Barber
is wholly and completely innocent.
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When you understand
what really happened that day,
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you'll see this case for what it is...
a rush to judgment.
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The fingerprint, for example,
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that the prosecution
made such a big deal about,
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you're going to hear
how that print got there,
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just as Jacob told the police officer
who arrested him
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the moment
that he was asked.
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He saw his classmate
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lying on the ground,
and he tried to help.
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And when he discovered
that Ben was dead,
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saw all that blood,
he panicked.
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He feared that if
he told someone
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about the body,
he'd become a suspect.
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After all, this was Ben Rifkin,
the boy who bullied him.
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Everyone knew that.
How would it look?
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Does Jacob wish
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that he had been braver
from the start and told the truth?
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Of course he does.
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It was the worst
mistake he's ever made.
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It was a horrible,
terrifying mistake.
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But he was a boy.
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And I don't give a damn
how the state chooses to try him.
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He was a 14-year-old boy.
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And boys make mistakes.
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[sighs]
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But we are adults...
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with a grave responsibility
before us.
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A child is dead.
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Don't destroy another child's life
to make up for it.
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That isn't justice.
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[heartbeat thumping]
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That's just another tragedy.
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- [clamoring]
- [camera shutters clicking]
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[male reporter #1]
Mr. Barber, over here!
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[male reporter #2] Mr. Barber,
do you have any comment?
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[Joanna] Give us a little room here,
please.
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Give us a little room here.
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[clamoring continues]
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[male reporter #3] Mr. Barber,
do you feel he's guilty?
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[female reporter] Hey,
come over here, please.
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[Andy] It's definitely
the same guy.
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Yes, I'm sure.
Blue Lincoln.
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Right.
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You still have that
plate number I sent you?
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Okay.
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Thanks, Duff.
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What was that about?
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Long story.
I'll tell you later.
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Okay, well,
make sure they get some rest.
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- I'll call you tonight.
- Okay.
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Driver's license.
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What I do?
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Let me see
your license.
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I got a right to sit in my own car,
don't I?
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Sir, are you refusing to
provide me with identification?
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I'm not refusing anything.
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I wanna know
what you're bothering me for.
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The family declined
making any statement
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when leaving
the courthouse today.
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And by all indications,
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plan to spend their night
here at their home in Newton.
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What happens tomorrow
is anyone's guess.
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However, opening statements
suggest
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we could be in for an
emotionally charged trial.
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- This is Alix Wong, Channel 12 News.
- [message chime]
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[message chime]
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[chattering]
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[footsteps approaching]
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Just got off the phone
with Duffy.
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It's not good.
Just hear me out.
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What?
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His name is James O'Leary,
the guy in the Lincoln.
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They call him
Father O'Leary.
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They?
230
00:14:21,475 --> 00:14:23,143
I guess
he's an old gangster.
231
00:14:23,540 --> 00:14:26,209
He's got a record. Duffy said he
used to be some sort of muscle.
232
00:14:26,293 --> 00:14:29,111
Now he hires himself out to do,
you know, small things,
233
00:14:29,196 --> 00:14:30,839
roughing people up,
that sort of thing.
234
00:14:30,998 --> 00:14:34,017
Are you kidding me?
What does he want with us?
235
00:14:34,102 --> 00:14:35,228
I don't know.
236
00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:38,930
What are we supposed to do?
Can't they arrest him? Question him?
237
00:14:39,014 --> 00:14:41,349
Not unless
he explicitly threatens us.
238
00:14:41,877 --> 00:14:43,170
Oh, my God.
239
00:14:43,434 --> 00:14:45,297
Duffy said she's gonna keep an eye
on him.
240
00:14:45,381 --> 00:14:46,561
I know
it doesn't sound good,
241
00:14:46,646 --> 00:14:49,190
but odds are it's probably
just someone trying to scare us.
242
00:14:49,274 --> 00:14:51,406
Because we're not scared
enough already.
243
00:14:57,297 --> 00:14:59,549
My heart was kind
of pounding then,
244
00:14:59,634 --> 00:15:01,635
because he wasn't answering me.
245
00:15:01,737 --> 00:15:05,922
Uh, still, I couldn't see how
he looked until I got close.
246
00:15:06,554 --> 00:15:08,250
And did you call for help?
247
00:15:08,715 --> 00:15:12,219
I remember crawling backwards up the slope,
dialing 911.
248
00:15:13,909 --> 00:15:15,492
Thank you, Mrs. Gianetto.
249
00:15:15,973 --> 00:15:17,223
Ms. Klein.
250
00:15:17,308 --> 00:15:18,810
No questions, Your Honor.
251
00:15:20,017 --> 00:15:21,435
The dog park, yes.
252
00:15:21,566 --> 00:15:22,859
[Neal] What time was this?
253
00:15:23,427 --> 00:15:24,984
Around 8:00 a.m.
254
00:15:25,645 --> 00:15:29,107
Like I said, it sounded like
a boy's voice I heard.
255
00:15:29,815 --> 00:15:32,818
He said, "Stop.
You're hurting me."
256
00:15:33,438 --> 00:15:35,000
"Stop. You're hurting me."
257
00:15:37,864 --> 00:15:40,659
Could you tell what direction
the boy's voice came from?
258
00:15:42,484 --> 00:15:43,777
[man] West, I think.
259
00:15:45,956 --> 00:15:47,665
Detective,
is it standard procedure
260
00:15:47,749 --> 00:15:51,211
for an assistant district attorney
to direct a homicide investigation?
261
00:15:51,696 --> 00:15:52,696
Yes.
262
00:15:52,781 --> 00:15:55,464
And who was the assistant DA
assigned to the case that day?
263
00:15:55,549 --> 00:15:56,924
Objection. Relevance.
264
00:15:57,008 --> 00:15:58,218
[scoffs]
265
00:15:58,593 --> 00:16:00,156
See counsel at sidebar.
266
00:16:03,834 --> 00:16:06,878
Your Honor, I don't see how
Mr. Barber's brief involvement in this case
267
00:16:07,018 --> 00:16:09,228
has anything to do with
his son's innocence or guilt.
268
00:16:09,312 --> 00:16:12,648
Your Honor, the jury is entitled to
hear that the defendant's own father
269
00:16:12,733 --> 00:16:15,640
was in charge of the early
stages of the investigation.
270
00:16:17,529 --> 00:16:19,781
I'm going to allow it,
but I warn you, counselor.
271
00:16:19,865 --> 00:16:22,659
Mr. Barber is not on trial here.
Remember that.
272
00:16:23,198 --> 00:16:25,241
Yes, Your Honor.
Understood.
273
00:16:26,342 --> 00:16:28,171
Witness will answer the question.
274
00:16:30,505 --> 00:16:32,523
Andrew Barber was in charge.
275
00:16:33,685 --> 00:16:37,602
And did you find it strange that
Mr. Barber was handling a case
276
00:16:37,687 --> 00:16:39,467
that involved his own son's classmate?
277
00:16:40,153 --> 00:16:41,625
Not really, no.
278
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:44,118
[Neal] And once his son
was charged with the murder?
279
00:16:44,681 --> 00:16:45,929
Any concerns?
280
00:16:47,017 --> 00:16:48,685
I wasn't happy about it.
281
00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:52,218
Detective,
have you ever heard of a prosecutor
282
00:16:52,303 --> 00:16:55,180
being involved in the
investigation into his own child?
283
00:16:55,265 --> 00:16:57,067
Objection. - Sustained.
284
00:16:57,152 --> 00:16:59,352
You've made your point, counselor.
Let's move it along.
285
00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:01,567
No further questions,
Your Honor.
286
00:17:03,569 --> 00:17:04,984
[Judge French] Ms. Klein.
287
00:17:05,818 --> 00:17:09,070
Detective Peterson, you were
among the first at the crime scene.
288
00:17:09,250 --> 00:17:11,957
- Was there a murder weapon found that day?
- No, ma'am.
289
00:17:12,042 --> 00:17:15,211
Besides a single fingerprint
found on the victim's sweatshirt,
290
00:17:15,295 --> 00:17:17,380
was there any evidence
recovered that day?
291
00:17:17,464 --> 00:17:18,500
No.
292
00:17:18,585 --> 00:17:22,381
And of course, the fingerprint
wasn't identified until later. Yes?
293
00:17:22,552 --> 00:17:23,804
Yes. Correct.
294
00:17:23,889 --> 00:17:26,766
So is it fair to say that at the
beginning of the investigation,
295
00:17:26,983 --> 00:17:30,986
neither you nor Mr. Barber
had any obvious suspects?
296
00:17:31,071 --> 00:17:32,073
We did not.
297
00:17:32,158 --> 00:17:35,125
And was the defendant
the first suspect to emerge?
298
00:17:35,846 --> 00:17:38,874
- No. We initially just...
- Objection. Relevance?
299
00:17:40,987 --> 00:17:42,273
Overruled.
300
00:17:43,221 --> 00:17:45,829
We initially pursued a
suspect named Leonard Patz.
301
00:17:45,914 --> 00:17:49,454
He had a record for indecent assault
and battery on kids, things like that.
302
00:17:49,538 --> 00:17:51,831
So a registered sex offender,
303
00:17:51,975 --> 00:17:54,040
and that's what made
him a person of interest?
304
00:17:54,125 --> 00:17:56,043
That, and he lived near the park.
305
00:17:56,127 --> 00:17:57,628
He didn't just live
near the park.
306
00:17:57,712 --> 00:18:00,969
He was known to walk in the
park most mornings. Isn't that true?
307
00:18:01,054 --> 00:18:02,675
Objection. Leading the witness.
308
00:18:02,759 --> 00:18:03,802
Overruled.
309
00:18:04,459 --> 00:18:08,296
Yes. In fact, he admitted to being
in the park that same morning.
310
00:18:09,622 --> 00:18:11,833
No more questions.
Thank you.
311
00:18:13,019 --> 00:18:18,066
Detective, whose idea was it to pursue
the investigation into Leonard Patz?
312
00:18:20,688 --> 00:18:22,565
Andy Barber brought it
to my attention.
313
00:18:23,501 --> 00:18:25,377
[Neal] Andy Barber.
I see.
314
00:18:26,408 --> 00:18:28,659
And Mr. Patz was then cleared
315
00:18:28,743 --> 00:18:31,329
when Mr. Barber's own son
was charged with the crime.
316
00:18:33,206 --> 00:18:34,359
Yes.
317
00:18:34,579 --> 00:18:36,226
No further questions, Your Honor.
318
00:18:38,753 --> 00:18:41,335
- Your Honor, we'd like to recross.
- Go ahead.
319
00:18:43,028 --> 00:18:47,615
Detective, when Mr. Logiudice
asked if you had cleared Leonard Patz,
320
00:18:47,762 --> 00:18:50,098
were you certain
of his innocence?
321
00:18:50,182 --> 00:18:51,808
Certain? No.
322
00:18:51,892 --> 00:18:56,021
Did you agree with Mr. Barber's
decision to investigate Leonard Patz?
323
00:18:56,300 --> 00:18:58,009
Yes. Absolutely.
324
00:18:58,233 --> 00:19:01,486
What about other decisions
Andy Barber made?
325
00:19:01,571 --> 00:19:02,968
Any concerns at all?
326
00:19:03,236 --> 00:19:04,654
None I can think of.
327
00:19:05,473 --> 00:19:06,960
He's the best they got.
328
00:19:08,074 --> 00:19:10,035
The best they used to have,
anyway.
329
00:19:11,445 --> 00:19:14,080
Thank you, Detective.
No further questions.
330
00:19:15,016 --> 00:19:17,921
Commonwealth,
you prepared to call your next witness?
331
00:19:19,815 --> 00:19:21,150
Uh, yes, Your Honor.
332
00:19:23,936 --> 00:19:26,907
The beam refracts
through each slit
333
00:19:26,992 --> 00:19:29,516
and makes a pattern of light
and dark stripes on the other side.
334
00:19:29,601 --> 00:19:33,766
Why? Because light isn't made of particles,
but...
335
00:19:33,850 --> 00:19:34,976
- Waves?
- Exactly.
336
00:19:35,060 --> 00:19:37,890
And it is the intersection of the
waves that make the patterns.
337
00:19:38,230 --> 00:19:41,190
So these physicists decide that
they're gonna solve what's going on
338
00:19:41,274 --> 00:19:44,736
by installing a device
that allows them to see
339
00:19:44,820 --> 00:19:48,656
exactly which slit each
electron is passing through.
340
00:19:48,740 --> 00:19:51,375
Only the moment that
they try to observe it,
341
00:19:51,460 --> 00:19:54,454
the electrons stop behaving like waves
342
00:19:54,539 --> 00:19:56,048
and behave
like particles again.
343
00:19:56,206 --> 00:19:57,957
- What? That's impossible.
- [phone buzzes]
344
00:19:58,041 --> 00:20:00,039
- [Joanna] Google it.
- I'll be right back.
345
00:20:00,124 --> 00:20:02,454
I tell my wife it's exactly
like me and the Celtics.
346
00:20:02,539 --> 00:20:04,687
The moment I turn on the game,
they lose.
347
00:20:05,390 --> 00:20:07,562
What the hell did I say
about calling here?
348
00:20:07,957 --> 00:20:10,101
I just want to know
how it's going.
349
00:20:10,294 --> 00:20:11,379
What?
350
00:20:11,692 --> 00:20:13,402
What do you mean, "What"?
The trial.
351
00:20:13,557 --> 00:20:15,808
He's my grandson.
I got a right to know.
352
00:20:15,892 --> 00:20:17,226
Listen to me very carefully.
353
00:20:17,311 --> 00:20:20,110
You don't have a right to shit.
Okay?
354
00:20:20,297 --> 00:20:23,676
Maybe I got a right to call one of these
reporters that keeps trying me, huh?
355
00:20:23,800 --> 00:20:24,902
Do whatever you want.
356
00:20:24,987 --> 00:20:27,118
Come on. I just wanna
know what are you thinking.
357
00:20:27,203 --> 00:20:28,648
I mean,
what's your strategy?
358
00:20:28,733 --> 00:20:30,578
I'm watching it all
day on the news here.
359
00:20:30,663 --> 00:20:32,112
I think the kid's got a chance.
360
00:20:32,868 --> 00:20:34,744
But, you know,
you gotta be smart about this.
361
00:20:34,828 --> 00:20:38,165
Oh, yeah? I didn't know they
gave out law degrees in prison.
362
00:20:38,669 --> 00:20:39,669
That's funny.
363
00:20:40,044 --> 00:20:42,044
You think
prison's a fucking joke?
364
00:20:43,195 --> 00:20:44,735
Let me tell you something.
365
00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:47,750
This is sure as hell
no place for a kid like Jacob.
366
00:20:49,744 --> 00:20:51,760
Now one of the, uh,
witnesses today,
367
00:20:51,845 --> 00:20:53,523
this cop who was on the stand,
368
00:20:54,010 --> 00:20:55,803
he mentioned this guy Patz.
369
00:20:56,231 --> 00:20:57,566
What about him?
370
00:20:57,651 --> 00:20:59,194
Well, you think he did it?
371
00:21:01,370 --> 00:21:03,740
- Do you?
- Yeah.
372
00:21:04,893 --> 00:21:05,978
Are you sure?
373
00:21:06,568 --> 00:21:07,777
Look, I gotta go.
374
00:21:07,955 --> 00:21:09,957
Guy's a child molester, right?
375
00:21:11,108 --> 00:21:12,552
Sort of.
376
00:21:12,756 --> 00:21:15,404
How... How the fuck are
you "sort of" a child molester?
377
00:21:15,719 --> 00:21:17,043
Same way
you were a murderer
378
00:21:17,128 --> 00:21:18,747
before you actually
murdered someone.
379
00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:20,575
Why you gotta make it about me?
Huh?
380
00:21:20,660 --> 00:21:23,291
Why don't you fucking quit
worrying about what I am
381
00:21:23,376 --> 00:21:25,712
and start worrying
about my grandson?
382
00:21:25,814 --> 00:21:27,255
Don't call here again.
383
00:21:27,356 --> 00:21:29,714
I mean it. You keep him
out of this place!
384
00:21:29,799 --> 00:21:31,052
You hear me?
385
00:21:31,176 --> 00:21:33,177
I spent my whole
fucking life in this shithole.
386
00:21:33,261 --> 00:21:35,950
I'm not gonna stand by
while my grandson's life...
387
00:21:36,441 --> 00:21:37,608
You mother...
388
00:21:37,693 --> 00:21:39,236
[inmate] You fucked up, cocksucker.
389
00:21:39,445 --> 00:21:42,271
- [whistle blowing]
- [inmates clamoring]
390
00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:55,869
- Did Joanna leave?
- Yeah.
391
00:21:56,555 --> 00:21:58,056
Who was that?
392
00:21:58,250 --> 00:22:02,130
Oh, it was, uh... credit card company,
just confirming some charges.
393
00:22:04,652 --> 00:22:07,530
Joanna seemed...
optimistic.
394
00:22:08,316 --> 00:22:09,474
You know,
395
00:22:09,761 --> 00:22:11,497
I'm starting to
think she should be.
396
00:22:17,472 --> 00:22:19,710
[Sarah] So weird, 'cause there
were just all these people there.
397
00:22:19,794 --> 00:22:21,226
I don't even know why,
because it was so cold outside.
398
00:22:21,310 --> 00:22:23,061
- [Laurie] Hey.
- Hold on one second.
399
00:22:23,458 --> 00:22:25,044
I'm just hanging these on your door.
400
00:22:25,147 --> 00:22:26,411
Okay. Thanks.
401
00:22:26,857 --> 00:22:27,941
Who are you talking to?
402
00:22:28,447 --> 00:22:29,591
Sarah.
403
00:22:29,974 --> 00:22:32,177
Oh. Okay.
404
00:22:32,940 --> 00:22:34,700
- Tell her I said hi.
- Okay.
405
00:22:36,056 --> 00:22:37,254
- Sorry about that.
- [door closes]
406
00:22:37,338 --> 00:22:38,490
So anyway, um,
407
00:22:38,575 --> 00:22:40,049
this lady comes in with her kids,
right?
408
00:22:40,133 --> 00:22:42,635
And they're just
so loud and obnoxious.
409
00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:45,765
And I was like, "Oh,
my gosh. Shut up already." But...
410
00:22:53,091 --> 00:22:55,251
[Neal] You've been with the
state's crime lab how long?
411
00:22:55,411 --> 00:22:57,387
Eleven years, almost 12.
412
00:22:58,031 --> 00:23:02,310
Ms. Carlson, could you describe the
blood evidence at the point of attack?
413
00:23:02,434 --> 00:23:05,615
There were a few small spatters
less than an inch in diameter.
414
00:23:05,702 --> 00:23:07,288
[Neal] Yesterday,
we heard defense contend
415
00:23:07,372 --> 00:23:10,655
that there should have been
blood on the clothing of an attacker
416
00:23:10,740 --> 00:23:12,485
in a stabbing like this.
417
00:23:12,708 --> 00:23:14,362
- Do you have an opinion on that?
- Yes.
418
00:23:14,446 --> 00:23:18,866
That's not necessarily true, since
no spatter seemed cast off with force.
419
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:22,662
It's also possible the assailant stood
behind the victim when he stabbed him,
420
00:23:22,746 --> 00:23:26,411
which would have meant he was out
of the trajectory of any spray or spatter.
421
00:23:26,739 --> 00:23:28,717
[Neal] What can you tell us
about the murder weapon?
422
00:23:28,801 --> 00:23:34,411
We were looking for a knife with a
four-to six-inch blade and a serrated edge.
423
00:23:34,633 --> 00:23:35,950
I see.
424
00:23:36,770 --> 00:23:40,060
So, a knife like this one?
425
00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:41,931
- [spectators murmuring]
- [Joanna] Objection.
426
00:23:42,015 --> 00:23:43,677
Commonwealth moves
to enter into evidence...
427
00:23:43,761 --> 00:23:44,971
Objection!
428
00:23:45,143 --> 00:23:47,603
Your Honor,
the jury will soon hear testimony
429
00:23:47,687 --> 00:23:49,230
from the defendant's best friend
430
00:23:49,314 --> 00:23:52,240
that the defendant owned
a knife exactly like this one:
431
00:23:52,327 --> 00:23:53,536
a Schnell Tactical.
432
00:23:53,621 --> 00:23:56,131
[Joanna] Your Honor,
this is a cheap stunt.
433
00:23:56,216 --> 00:23:59,782
The Commonwealth has yet to
link any such knife to the defendant,
434
00:23:59,866 --> 00:24:03,482
and to wave it around in here now
is irresponsible. It's inflammatory.
435
00:24:03,567 --> 00:24:05,404
Agreed. Objection sustained.
436
00:24:05,536 --> 00:24:07,605
Put away the knife,
Mr. Logiudice.
437
00:24:08,255 --> 00:24:10,591
In that case,
no more questions, Your Honor.
438
00:24:10,887 --> 00:24:12,169
[Judge French] Cross.
439
00:24:12,254 --> 00:24:13,630
[Joanna] Absolutely, Your Honor.
440
00:24:14,183 --> 00:24:17,339
Ms. Carlson,
we were just on the subject of blood.
441
00:24:17,424 --> 00:24:20,552
Was there any blood evidence
recovered from the defendant?
442
00:24:20,637 --> 00:24:21,721
No.
443
00:24:21,805 --> 00:24:23,466
Genetic evidence?
444
00:24:23,807 --> 00:24:26,726
DNA? Hairs? Fibers?
445
00:24:26,810 --> 00:24:28,436
No, just the fingerprint.
446
00:24:28,796 --> 00:24:31,340
- May I propose a hypothetical?
- Okay.
447
00:24:31,432 --> 00:24:36,661
Let's suppose the defendant, Jacob,
was walking on his way to school...
448
00:24:37,361 --> 00:24:40,849
and came across the
victim lying on the ground.
449
00:24:41,408 --> 00:24:48,122
And suppose Jacob lifted the victim
by the collar to see if he was okay.
450
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:52,377
Might that create a fingerprint
consistent with the one you found?
451
00:24:52,752 --> 00:24:54,583
Yes, that is possible.
452
00:24:54,918 --> 00:24:58,754
Now the knife that the Commonwealth
attempted to enter into evidence,
453
00:24:58,838 --> 00:25:00,298
had you ever seen it before?
454
00:25:00,469 --> 00:25:01,886
Objection. Relevance.
455
00:25:01,970 --> 00:25:05,404
Overruled.
You opened the door, counselor.
456
00:25:06,182 --> 00:25:08,475
[Carlson] Yes. The DA's
office asked me to determine
457
00:25:08,599 --> 00:25:12,519
if that particular model of knife was
consistent with the victim's wounds.
458
00:25:12,604 --> 00:25:16,649
Ah. And I assume they gave you
other models to compare as well?
459
00:25:16,818 --> 00:25:18,069
No.
460
00:25:18,153 --> 00:25:19,196
No?
461
00:25:20,754 --> 00:25:23,201
Did they at least ask you
to determine
462
00:25:23,286 --> 00:25:26,318
how many other knives might
have made those wounds?
463
00:25:26,463 --> 00:25:27,505
No.
464
00:25:27,590 --> 00:25:29,050
Well, how many would you think?
465
00:25:30,281 --> 00:25:33,868
I... I don't know. That...
That would be speculating.
466
00:25:34,117 --> 00:25:35,243
[Joanna] A thousand?
467
00:25:35,693 --> 00:25:36,825
Uh...
468
00:25:37,475 --> 00:25:38,683
A large number.
469
00:25:38,798 --> 00:25:41,092
Seven hundred? Five hundred?
470
00:25:42,886 --> 00:25:45,222
Somewhere... Somewhere in that range.
471
00:25:45,503 --> 00:25:50,215
In other words,
the chances of it being the actual knife
472
00:25:50,393 --> 00:25:51,974
are one in 500. Correct?
473
00:25:52,059 --> 00:25:54,102
Objection. Calls for speculation.
474
00:25:54,263 --> 00:25:55,591
Sustained.
475
00:25:59,232 --> 00:26:01,068
No further questions,
Your Honor.
476
00:26:02,155 --> 00:26:03,740
[Dan] This is all going to shit.
477
00:26:03,824 --> 00:26:06,200
He's gonna walk.
Can't you see that?
478
00:26:06,284 --> 00:26:07,827
He's gonna get away
with killing our son
479
00:26:07,911 --> 00:26:10,747
because of that asshole
and his goddamn theatrics.
480
00:26:10,831 --> 00:26:12,216
[Joan] Please, I can't take this.
481
00:26:12,301 --> 00:26:14,010
[Dan] Yeah, well,
I can't take it either.
482
00:26:14,227 --> 00:26:16,630
[Joan] Dan. Dan.
483
00:26:22,133 --> 00:26:24,261
[chattering continues]
484
00:26:31,866 --> 00:26:34,512
How he didn't know that that
stunt would backfire is beyond me.
485
00:26:34,708 --> 00:26:36,122
Because he's reckless.
486
00:26:36,691 --> 00:26:38,357
- You doing all right?
- [softly] Yeah.
487
00:26:40,527 --> 00:26:41,872
One of them smiled.
488
00:26:43,036 --> 00:26:45,782
One of the jurors,
the guy with the goatee.
489
00:26:45,935 --> 00:26:47,318
He smiled? Really?
490
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:50,740
Yeah, when she admitted it was
a one in 500 chance, he smiled.
491
00:26:50,954 --> 00:26:52,205
[phone chimes]
492
00:26:54,394 --> 00:26:56,615
- [clears throat]
- Something wrong?
493
00:26:57,127 --> 00:26:58,712
No. No, it's nothing.
494
00:26:59,421 --> 00:27:00,630
We'll talk later.
495
00:27:02,283 --> 00:27:05,911
You and Mr. Barber have worked
together on many cases. Is that right?
496
00:27:06,196 --> 00:27:07,482
We go back, yes.
497
00:27:07,846 --> 00:27:10,802
Would you describe him as
diligent when it came to his work?
498
00:27:10,899 --> 00:27:12,539
[Duffy] More than that.
He was relentless.
499
00:27:12,726 --> 00:27:14,602
Was that relentlessness
on display
500
00:27:14,686 --> 00:27:17,166
when you were attempting to
cut through the school's red tape?
501
00:27:17,411 --> 00:27:19,310
He didn't feel the
classmates were a priority.
502
00:27:19,395 --> 00:27:21,354
We'd already interviewed
Ben's close friends.
503
00:27:21,526 --> 00:27:24,362
Once you did interview the students,
finally,
504
00:27:24,446 --> 00:27:27,073
was there anything useful
that came out of that?
505
00:27:27,157 --> 00:27:28,866
After the initial meetings, nothing much.
506
00:27:28,950 --> 00:27:31,077
But with some follow-up,
we came to learn that
507
00:27:31,161 --> 00:27:33,319
there was an ongoing beef
between the victim and the defendant.
508
00:27:33,403 --> 00:27:35,989
Meaning Ben had been
bullying the defendant.
509
00:27:36,446 --> 00:27:37,466
For some time, yes.
510
00:27:37,551 --> 00:27:38,818
Was this around
the time
511
00:27:38,903 --> 00:27:41,558
that you started to view the
defendant as a suspect?
512
00:27:42,130 --> 00:27:43,131
It was.
513
00:27:43,215 --> 00:27:45,879
Even as his father was still
running the investigation?
514
00:27:47,427 --> 00:27:49,929
Certain aspects of the
investigation had to be carried out
515
00:27:50,013 --> 00:27:51,807
without Mr. Barber's knowledge.
516
00:27:53,164 --> 00:27:54,629
[Neal] What did that reveal?
517
00:27:57,229 --> 00:28:00,558
That the defendant supposedly had
a knife consistent with the wounds,
518
00:28:00,643 --> 00:28:02,478
that he had sufficient motive,
519
00:28:02,609 --> 00:28:05,622
and he had opportunity, in that his
movements the morning of the attack
520
00:28:05,707 --> 00:28:07,405
placed him near or at the scene.
521
00:28:07,489 --> 00:28:08,990
Did you arrest him
at this time?
522
00:28:09,074 --> 00:28:10,616
Not until the fingerprint
came back.
523
00:28:10,700 --> 00:28:12,535
We then obtained a warrant
and searched the house,
524
00:28:12,619 --> 00:28:14,863
trying to find the knife,
which we did not.
525
00:28:15,656 --> 00:28:17,637
Did you seize
the defendant's computer?
526
00:28:17,722 --> 00:28:20,001
We did, but we found
nothing directly incriminating.
527
00:28:20,159 --> 00:28:23,420
Detective, are you aware of a
program called Disk Scraper?
528
00:28:23,505 --> 00:28:27,133
I am. It's a program that wipes hard
drives, deletes files, that kind of thing.
529
00:28:27,217 --> 00:28:30,220
Was that program
on the defendant's laptop?
530
00:28:30,976 --> 00:28:32,152
It was.
531
00:28:33,118 --> 00:28:36,955
Is it possible that there was
incriminating evidence on the laptop,
532
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:38,653
and it was removed by the defendant?
533
00:28:38,738 --> 00:28:40,772
Objection. Calls for speculation.
534
00:28:41,097 --> 00:28:42,097
Sustained.
535
00:28:42,782 --> 00:28:44,033
What about pornography?
536
00:28:44,202 --> 00:28:46,078
- Objection. Relevance.
- Sustained.
537
00:28:46,194 --> 00:28:47,863
[Neal] Let me be more specific.
538
00:28:48,346 --> 00:28:52,793
Did you find any violent
pornography on the defendant's laptop?
539
00:28:53,986 --> 00:28:55,904
I think all pornography is violent.
540
00:28:56,121 --> 00:28:57,164
Of course.
541
00:28:57,737 --> 00:29:01,240
I mean, specifically,
images glorifying abuse or torture.
542
00:29:01,325 --> 00:29:03,082
Objection.
Relevance.
543
00:29:04,407 --> 00:29:06,675
Overruled.
The witness will answer.
544
00:29:08,672 --> 00:29:09,798
Some, yeah.
545
00:29:09,968 --> 00:29:11,553
[spectators murmuring]
546
00:29:15,182 --> 00:29:16,540
[Neal] No further questions.
547
00:29:19,144 --> 00:29:22,855
Detective, I assume you have
executed countless search warrants
548
00:29:22,939 --> 00:29:24,970
in your career, yes? - Sure.
549
00:29:25,108 --> 00:29:26,526
Seized a lot of laptops.
550
00:29:26,610 --> 00:29:27,693
Yes.
551
00:29:27,777 --> 00:29:31,280
Have you ever found one that
didn't have some pornography on it?
552
00:29:31,364 --> 00:29:32,657
[spectators chuckle]
553
00:29:33,098 --> 00:29:34,181
I don't think so.
554
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,864
Detective,
is it true that you were the first
555
00:29:36,963 --> 00:29:39,382
to identify Leonard Patz
as a person of interest,
556
00:29:39,498 --> 00:29:41,587
and not Mr. Barber?
557
00:29:41,796 --> 00:29:43,784
Yes. I brought Patz
to Andy's attention,
558
00:29:43,869 --> 00:29:46,213
and we agreed that he was
someone we should be looking at.
559
00:29:46,661 --> 00:29:48,267
One last question.
560
00:29:49,672 --> 00:29:52,299
At any point in the investigation,
561
00:29:52,469 --> 00:29:55,312
did Andy Barber
behave in any way
562
00:29:55,397 --> 00:29:58,455
to suggest that he
suspected his own son?
563
00:29:58,910 --> 00:30:00,703
No, not in the slightest.
564
00:30:01,611 --> 00:30:03,821
No further questions,
Your Honor.
565
00:30:04,022 --> 00:30:05,899
Mr. Logiudice, redirect?
566
00:30:14,409 --> 00:30:15,665
Detective...
567
00:30:18,667 --> 00:30:22,353
have you ever known
Mr. Barber to be violent?
568
00:30:24,243 --> 00:30:25,994
- No.
- Are you sure?
569
00:30:27,485 --> 00:30:29,681
Never seen him grab somebody
by the jacket?
570
00:30:29,766 --> 00:30:30,983
Push them into a wall?
571
00:30:31,068 --> 00:30:33,048
Objection. Relevance.
572
00:30:33,878 --> 00:30:35,228
Overruled.
573
00:30:39,519 --> 00:30:41,641
Once. You.
574
00:30:41,726 --> 00:30:44,688
After your provoked him with that
crack about his father doing time for...
575
00:30:45,927 --> 00:30:47,230
Doing time for murder?
576
00:30:47,315 --> 00:30:49,534
- Objection! Your Honor!
- Sustained.
577
00:30:49,619 --> 00:30:51,439
I'll see counsel at sidebar,
right now.
578
00:30:51,705 --> 00:30:53,582
[spectators murmuring]
579
00:30:56,590 --> 00:30:59,665
I'm appalled at what I just saw.
We went over this in pretrial.
580
00:30:59,785 --> 00:31:02,496
Your Honor, it was the defense
counsel who first raised the issue
581
00:31:02,581 --> 00:31:05,666
of whether the defendant's father
had reason to suspect his own son.
582
00:31:05,750 --> 00:31:07,668
I am simply trying
to make that argument.
583
00:31:07,752 --> 00:31:09,504
You have got to be kidding me.
584
00:31:09,588 --> 00:31:12,215
Your Honor,
the defense moves for a mistrial.
585
00:31:12,299 --> 00:31:14,050
- Oh, come on.
- He was given specific instructions.
586
00:31:14,134 --> 00:31:18,805
You are on extraordinarily thin ice,
Mr. Logiudice, you understand me?
587
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:21,891
Now you wrap it up with
this witness right now.
588
00:31:21,975 --> 00:31:25,698
And if I hear even a whisper about the
defendant's grandfather going forward,
589
00:31:25,783 --> 00:31:27,688
Ms. Klein will get her
mistrial. Am I clear?
590
00:31:27,772 --> 00:31:30,392
Yes, Your Honor.
591
00:31:41,562 --> 00:31:43,119
Ladies and gentlemen,
592
00:31:43,624 --> 00:31:48,626
there's a saying in the law,
"You cannot unring the bell"...
593
00:31:49,557 --> 00:31:51,767
but I am going to insist
that you do
594
00:31:51,852 --> 00:31:54,479
just that with regard
to the last question.
595
00:31:56,879 --> 00:31:58,955
[Neal] That must have
been torture for you...
596
00:31:59,922 --> 00:32:01,423
sitting on the sidelines.
597
00:32:02,268 --> 00:32:03,697
I had no choice.
598
00:32:05,213 --> 00:32:06,853
So you trusted Ms. Klein?
599
00:32:07,633 --> 00:32:08,759
I did.
600
00:32:09,913 --> 00:32:13,751
On day four of the trial,
the Commonwealth called its final witness:
601
00:32:14,465 --> 00:32:15,674
Derek Yoo.
602
00:32:16,923 --> 00:32:22,728
Did you feel that Ms. Klein adequately
prepared for Derek Yoo's testimony?
603
00:32:23,401 --> 00:32:24,923
[Andy] Yeah,
as best she could.
604
00:32:25,264 --> 00:32:27,884
[Neal] She intended to
destroy his credibility?
605
00:32:28,109 --> 00:32:31,486
[Andy] He had a plausible motive.
The jury had a right to know.
606
00:32:31,727 --> 00:32:33,548
What about you and Laurie?
607
00:32:35,449 --> 00:32:36,867
What about us?
608
00:32:38,223 --> 00:32:39,650
Were you prepared?
609
00:32:43,682 --> 00:32:46,434
[chattering]
610
00:33:05,276 --> 00:33:06,658
We've got a problem.
611
00:33:06,875 --> 00:33:09,043
Matt McGrath.
I can't find him.
612
00:33:09,128 --> 00:33:10,212
What?
613
00:33:10,297 --> 00:33:12,215
Ellen's been trying
to call his cell all week,
614
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,669
and she finally got in touch
with his mother this morning.
615
00:33:14,754 --> 00:33:16,361
And she said that
she and Matt had
616
00:33:16,446 --> 00:33:19,158
a fight three days ago,
and that he took off.
617
00:33:19,306 --> 00:33:21,932
And his girlfriend just
posted online from Florida,
618
00:33:22,017 --> 00:33:23,805
and the mom thinks that
he's down there with her.
619
00:33:23,889 --> 00:33:25,049
What are we supposed to do?
620
00:33:25,134 --> 00:33:26,378
He's supposed to take
the stand tomorrow.
621
00:33:26,462 --> 00:33:30,126
Don't worry. We're gonna
think of something. Okay.
622
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,032
[laughing, chattering]
623
00:34:03,136 --> 00:34:04,888
[door opens]
624
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,438
[bailiff] Court, all rise!
625
00:34:35,384 --> 00:34:39,954
I was like, "That's the same way you
go to school. Did you see anything?"
626
00:34:40,397 --> 00:34:42,086
And Jake said no.
627
00:34:42,734 --> 00:34:47,695
Nothing about seeing Ben on
the ground or trying to help him?
628
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,552
No. Uh, and then he made a joke.
629
00:34:51,544 --> 00:34:55,089
Something like,
"Couldn't happen to a nicer guy."
630
00:34:59,385 --> 00:35:03,532
And this is within a few hours
after learning about Ben's murder?
631
00:35:03,798 --> 00:35:07,938
I guess, yeah. We were at Jake's house,
playing video games.
632
00:35:09,111 --> 00:35:12,719
When you said that
Ben used to pick on Jacob,
633
00:35:13,094 --> 00:35:14,532
what did you mean by that?
634
00:35:16,649 --> 00:35:18,628
Ben always kinda
had it in for Jake.
635
00:35:18,837 --> 00:35:20,653
He was always calling him "fag."
636
00:35:21,012 --> 00:35:22,383
Like a nickname.
637
00:35:23,082 --> 00:35:27,753
Like he'd ask Jake questions about
different sex things gay people do,
638
00:35:27,846 --> 00:35:30,001
but in front of everyone,
to embarrass him.
639
00:35:30,086 --> 00:35:32,642
Or he'd fake a punch at Jake
if he passed him in the hall.
640
00:35:32,726 --> 00:35:33,851
Stuff like that.
641
00:35:33,935 --> 00:35:36,876
And all of this bullying,
it upset Jacob.
642
00:35:37,279 --> 00:35:39,790
- Yeah, of course.
- Did it make him angry?
643
00:35:41,077 --> 00:35:42,662
Not so much in front of Ben,
but...
644
00:35:43,890 --> 00:35:46,780
privately, he'd go off on
how much he hated Ben's guts.
645
00:35:46,865 --> 00:35:49,922
Which I got.
I mean,
646
00:35:50,279 --> 00:35:52,876
Ben would be a jerk
to me too sometimes.
647
00:35:53,798 --> 00:35:56,266
At what point
after Ben's murder
648
00:35:56,734 --> 00:35:59,027
did you begin to consider
your friend Jacob's role in it?
649
00:35:59,150 --> 00:36:00,735
Objection. Leading the witness.
650
00:36:02,047 --> 00:36:03,485
Overruled.
651
00:36:06,091 --> 00:36:08,010
You can go ahead and answer,
young man.
652
00:36:08,665 --> 00:36:10,196
I guess it was three days later.
653
00:36:10,456 --> 00:36:12,782
Was there anything
other than his temper
654
00:36:12,866 --> 00:36:14,866
that began to make you
suspicious?
655
00:36:14,972 --> 00:36:16,626
Well, yeah. The knife.
656
00:36:16,812 --> 00:36:19,689
Jake had this scary combat knife
he'd bought in town.
657
00:36:19,773 --> 00:36:22,942
- He used to bring it to school sometimes.
- To show it off, or... or what?
658
00:36:23,026 --> 00:36:26,133
Not really. I mean,
he showed it to me and our friend Dylan...
659
00:36:26,218 --> 00:36:29,993
but it was more like he
liked having it on him,
660
00:36:30,116 --> 00:36:31,548
walking around with it.
661
00:36:31,633 --> 00:36:34,657
Like... it was this secret thing he had.
662
00:36:34,902 --> 00:36:38,477
I see.
So the bullying and the knife...
663
00:36:39,334 --> 00:36:41,211
But you knew about
these things,
664
00:36:41,612 --> 00:36:44,579
and still, you didn't suspect Jacob
immediately?
665
00:36:45,868 --> 00:36:48,649
I don't know. Maybe part of me did,
a little.
666
00:36:48,734 --> 00:36:52,336
But... it wasn't until I read
what he wrote online.
667
00:36:52,421 --> 00:36:53,589
[Neal] Online?
668
00:36:53,849 --> 00:36:57,060
[Derek mumbles] This messed up site
Jake was into called The Cut Up Room.
669
00:36:57,144 --> 00:36:59,868
By "messed up,"
I'm assuming you mean pornographic.
670
00:36:59,953 --> 00:37:03,748
Yeah, but,
it's not really so much about sex.
671
00:37:03,833 --> 00:37:07,196
More violence.
Like, really graphic stuff.
672
00:37:07,451 --> 00:37:09,203
Are there stories on this site?
673
00:37:09,990 --> 00:37:14,786
Yeah, people post all kinds
of stuff. Photos, videos, stories.
674
00:37:14,995 --> 00:37:17,581
And do you know if
Jacob posted any stories?
675
00:37:19,089 --> 00:37:20,674
He did, yeah.
676
00:37:20,938 --> 00:37:22,773
He called them Job stories.
677
00:37:23,540 --> 00:37:24,876
Job stories?
678
00:37:25,012 --> 00:37:28,774
Yeah, you know,
like his initials. J-O-B?
679
00:37:29,633 --> 00:37:31,344
That was his screen name
on there.
680
00:37:32,421 --> 00:37:33,630
What do you know about this?
681
00:37:33,715 --> 00:37:35,305
Not enough. You got to shut it down.
682
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:38,810
And did Job post a story
about the murder of Ben Rifkin?
683
00:37:39,277 --> 00:37:40,319
Yes.
684
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,856
[spectators murmuring]
685
00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:46,221
[Neal] Commonwealth
moves to enter into evidence...
686
00:37:46,305 --> 00:37:47,360
[Joanna] Objection.
687
00:37:47,444 --> 00:37:48,694
Your Honor, may we approach?
688
00:37:48,778 --> 00:37:50,818
- [Judge French] Settle down, please.
- [gavel raps]
689
00:37:52,468 --> 00:37:55,110
Respectfully, Your Honor,
we ask to approach.
690
00:37:59,414 --> 00:38:03,000
Your Honor, this is an ambush.
None of this was disclosed in discovery.
691
00:38:03,084 --> 00:38:05,290
Your Honor,
this story was authored by the defendant.
692
00:38:05,376 --> 00:38:08,498
If he chose to hide it from his attorney,
that's hardly the Commonwealth's fault.
693
00:38:08,582 --> 00:38:10,055
What's this about, Jacob?
694
00:38:10,774 --> 00:38:11,900
Jacob?
695
00:38:34,436 --> 00:38:36,646
Your Honor,
I need to confer with my client.
696
00:38:36,941 --> 00:38:38,567
All right, go ahead.
697
00:38:42,374 --> 00:38:43,875
I'm gonna ask your patience
698
00:38:43,959 --> 00:38:47,782
while I allow defense counselor
a moment to confer with her client.
699
00:38:50,441 --> 00:38:52,434
He's going to allow it
unless our position
700
00:38:52,519 --> 00:38:54,516
is that Jacob didn't
write the story.
701
00:38:54,677 --> 00:38:56,846
- Then that's our plan...
- They know that he wrote it, Andy.
702
00:38:56,930 --> 00:38:58,797
They've got an IP address.
703
00:39:00,307 --> 00:39:01,642
Jacob.
704
00:39:07,107 --> 00:39:10,819
If we push back now, we're only
going to shine a brighter light on it.
705
00:39:11,105 --> 00:39:12,493
How bad is it?
706
00:39:20,422 --> 00:39:24,166
"Jason stood there on the path as
Brent kept walking toward him, grinning.
707
00:39:24,465 --> 00:39:27,509
If Brent knew the real Jason,
he would have been scared shitless.
708
00:39:27,843 --> 00:39:30,762
'Don't fuck with me,
' Jason warned him. 'I mean it.'
709
00:39:31,182 --> 00:39:33,601
But Brent just laughed
and grabbed him by the arm,
710
00:39:33,717 --> 00:39:36,219
twisting it back like he'd
done so many times before.
711
00:39:36,836 --> 00:39:38,857
'Stop. You're hurting me,
' Jason said.
712
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:40,608
But it didn't hurt that much.
713
00:39:40,747 --> 00:39:43,708
He just wanted Brent to think that,
so he would let go.
714
00:39:44,451 --> 00:39:48,305
Brent laughed again,
the way he always did, a fake laugh.
715
00:39:48,807 --> 00:39:51,727
Jason's hand slipped
into his sweatshirt pocket.
716
00:39:51,937 --> 00:39:54,508
There it was,
his trusted friend.
717
00:39:54,946 --> 00:39:58,449
He curled his fingers around the grip
and felt a surge of power through his arm,
718
00:39:58,533 --> 00:39:59,826
up into his shoulder.
719
00:39:59,910 --> 00:40:01,953
He knew there was no turning back
now.
720
00:40:02,055 --> 00:40:03,663
The park seemed to know it too.
721
00:40:03,747 --> 00:40:06,416
He could hear the breeze in
the leaves and birds chirping.
722
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:10,305
Brent saw the knife coming for him, but
it was too late to do anything but stare.
723
00:40:10,618 --> 00:40:15,039
It slipped in so easily Jason thought
he was stabbing air. That surprised him.
724
00:40:15,124 --> 00:40:19,165
He did it twice more, telling his
brain to remember the feeling for later.
725
00:40:21,882 --> 00:40:23,842
Brent fell backward and
rolled down the slope,
726
00:40:23,950 --> 00:40:25,641
until he stopped down below.
727
00:40:25,726 --> 00:40:28,493
Jason knew he should go,
but he couldn't help himself.
728
00:40:28,578 --> 00:40:31,080
He went down to Brent's
body to make sure he was dead.
729
00:40:31,165 --> 00:40:33,602
The smell of blood in the
air made him feel dizzy.
730
00:40:33,839 --> 00:40:37,342
He found a small stream nearby and
washed the knife off, and his hand too.
731
00:40:37,489 --> 00:40:41,157
He could see his reflection in the water,
but his face looked different to him now.
732
00:40:41,368 --> 00:40:44,016
'It'll be our secret, '
it seemed to say.
733
00:40:47,628 --> 00:40:49,016
The End."
734
00:40:54,055 --> 00:41:00,297
[Neal] This story was posted three
days after Ben Rifkin's body was found?
735
00:41:01,497 --> 00:41:02,497
[Derek] Yeah.
736
00:41:02,667 --> 00:41:05,420
[heartbeat]
737
00:41:06,685 --> 00:41:08,751
[Neal, muted] No further questions,
Your Honor.
738
00:41:10,355 --> 00:41:11,564
[Judge French, muted] Ms. Klein?
739
00:41:11,648 --> 00:41:14,151
[heartbeat continues]
740
00:41:22,789 --> 00:41:23,790
No.
741
00:41:24,786 --> 00:41:26,235
No, we weren't prepared.
742
00:41:27,205 --> 00:41:30,744
A surprising turn of events sent shock
waves through the courtroom today
743
00:41:30,829 --> 00:41:33,586
as testimony from one of
Jacob Barber's classmates
744
00:41:33,670 --> 00:41:37,892
provided the prosecution with
some extremely damaging evidence.
745
00:41:37,977 --> 00:41:42,133
The reaction from the jurors was palpable,
to say the least.
746
00:42:04,344 --> 00:42:05,470
[car door closes]
747
00:42:09,284 --> 00:42:10,594
[car door opens]
748
00:42:12,042 --> 00:42:13,329
[car door closes]
749
00:42:20,740 --> 00:42:22,242
It was just a story.
750
00:42:31,965 --> 00:42:34,235
I didn't know
it would be a big deal.
751
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:41,860
Did you do it?
752
00:42:44,533 --> 00:42:46,201
Just tell me. Did you kill him?
753
00:42:56,651 --> 00:42:57,694
No.
754
00:43:04,725 --> 00:43:05,961
No.
755
00:43:14,437 --> 00:43:16,022
[seat belt clicks]
756
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:19,860
[engine starts]
757
00:43:25,782 --> 00:43:29,077
I could ask the judge to issue a
bench warrant for Matt McGrath.
758
00:43:29,468 --> 00:43:33,844
He won't. Not for some secondary
witness holed up in Florida.
759
00:43:34,291 --> 00:43:36,542
We don't have a choice.
We gotta go straight at Patz.
760
00:43:36,626 --> 00:43:38,416
Yeah, his subpoena
was served this morning.
761
00:43:38,501 --> 00:43:40,923
I'll call him as a hostile witness
and see what we can get out of him.
762
00:43:41,007 --> 00:43:45,438
We gotta run every play we have.
Not just on the Patz front, Derek too.
763
00:43:45,864 --> 00:43:47,908
You don't think
we covered Derek on cross?
764
00:43:49,529 --> 00:43:51,305
You did your best.
765
00:43:51,837 --> 00:43:53,540
You were distracted.
766
00:43:54,221 --> 00:43:56,047
Everyone was.
767
00:43:56,602 --> 00:43:58,020
[Andy sighs]
768
00:43:59,114 --> 00:44:04,001
We need to backstop Patz. I say we
go harder on Derek, subpoena Sarah.
769
00:44:04,425 --> 00:44:05,884
[Joanna] Andy, we discussed this.
770
00:44:05,969 --> 00:44:09,138
That was before. We need Sarah
to hammer home Derek's obsession.
771
00:44:09,284 --> 00:44:11,786
We need to have her
repeat his words on the stand.
772
00:44:12,008 --> 00:44:13,704
Yeah, you're right.
That could be powerful.
773
00:44:13,788 --> 00:44:15,123
Show the jury the selfie again.
774
00:44:15,207 --> 00:44:16,454
No.
775
00:44:17,584 --> 00:44:20,672
I don't wanna bring her into
this. It's my trial. I'm saying no.
776
00:44:21,712 --> 00:44:24,102
Sorry,
but you don't get a say in this anymore.
777
00:44:26,540 --> 00:44:28,125
Not after today.
778
00:44:42,194 --> 00:44:44,993
[Joanna] I'll get into
it first thing tomorrow.
779
00:45:00,009 --> 00:45:01,680
[notification chime]
780
00:45:10,345 --> 00:45:11,596
[notification chime]
781
00:45:13,849 --> 00:45:15,142
[message chime]
782
00:45:28,405 --> 00:45:30,532
[computer ringing]
783
00:45:33,785 --> 00:45:35,245
[phone ringing]
784
00:46:01,602 --> 00:46:03,396
You haven't said
one word all night.
785
00:46:06,497 --> 00:46:07,797
Did you know?
786
00:46:08,445 --> 00:46:09,883
About the story?
787
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,400
No.
788
00:46:11,686 --> 00:46:13,021
Just tell me the truth.
789
00:46:13,305 --> 00:46:15,899
- I am.
- The truth. I need to know.
790
00:46:16,046 --> 00:46:18,422
Laurie, I swear
I'm telling you the truth.
791
00:46:18,892 --> 00:46:20,352
What about the website?
792
00:46:20,615 --> 00:46:21,907
The Cut Up Room?
793
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:31,002
I only kept it from you
'cause I knew it would...
794
00:46:31,086 --> 00:46:32,657
Don't. Don't.
795
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:34,439
Don't what?
796
00:46:34,524 --> 00:46:37,430
Explain it away like you do everything.
Excuse it away.
797
00:46:37,515 --> 00:46:39,360
I knew it would set you off.
798
00:46:39,535 --> 00:46:41,696
You were already half convinced that
Jacob was guilty.
799
00:46:41,781 --> 00:46:43,508
- I didn't want to add...
- Not anymore.
800
00:46:52,045 --> 00:46:53,463
What'd you just say?
801
00:46:56,456 --> 00:46:57,753
I don't believe him.
802
00:46:58,503 --> 00:47:00,167
Not after
what I heard today.
803
00:47:04,189 --> 00:47:05,801
So you're gonna let
this one thing change...
804
00:47:05,885 --> 00:47:07,510
It's always one thing.
805
00:47:08,111 --> 00:47:09,654
Don't you see?
806
00:47:10,047 --> 00:47:11,471
We're guilty too.
807
00:47:11,555 --> 00:47:13,555
If we protect him,
we're as guilty as he is.
808
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:15,761
All right. Just keep your voice down.
He's right upstairs.
809
00:47:15,845 --> 00:47:18,745
I'm not even saying I know
what to do about it. I don't.
810
00:47:19,345 --> 00:47:21,641
But I know what I heard,
and I know what it means.
811
00:47:21,726 --> 00:47:23,034
Laurie, I'm begging you.
812
00:47:23,119 --> 00:47:26,152
Don't talk yourself into something
'cause of some made-up story.
813
00:47:26,237 --> 00:47:28,233
- It's not a story.
- Yes, it is!
814
00:47:29,166 --> 00:47:30,776
This is a kid
that bullied him.
815
00:47:30,861 --> 00:47:31,948
He probably fantasized
816
00:47:32,032 --> 00:47:33,557
about hurting him
a thousand times.
817
00:47:33,642 --> 00:47:37,260
So he let his imagination run wild,
and he wrote it down.
818
00:47:38,216 --> 00:47:39,471
Maybe...
819
00:47:40,492 --> 00:47:43,066
Maybe he got some sick
thrill imagining it.
820
00:47:43,151 --> 00:47:44,540
And is that horrible?
Yes.
821
00:47:44,624 --> 00:47:47,293
It's terrible, and it was wrong,
and it was stupid,
822
00:47:47,377 --> 00:47:48,920
but it was a story.
823
00:47:50,088 --> 00:47:52,006
Joanna vetted
every single line from it.
824
00:47:52,106 --> 00:47:55,346
There wasn't one detail that hadn't
already been reported by the news.
825
00:47:55,431 --> 00:47:58,526
- He was fantasizing.
- He was confessing.
826
00:47:59,827 --> 00:48:03,253
To call it anything else is just
lawyer spin, and you know it.
827
00:48:04,524 --> 00:48:06,010
What if you knew?
828
00:48:07,693 --> 00:48:11,956
What if you knew in your heart that
our son did this unforgivable thing?
829
00:48:12,261 --> 00:48:15,430
Took the life of another child?
Would it even matter?
830
00:48:15,545 --> 00:48:17,042
I'd still love him,
if that's what you're asking.
831
00:48:17,126 --> 00:48:19,902
No, it's not.
I'd still love him too.
832
00:48:19,987 --> 00:48:22,229
I will always love him,
no matter what.
833
00:48:22,579 --> 00:48:24,831
You don't know how badly
I wanted to hold him tonight
834
00:48:24,915 --> 00:48:26,082
and tell him
it's all going to be okay.
835
00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:28,001
But I can't play this game
anymore,
836
00:48:28,543 --> 00:48:30,950
letting him pretend he didn't do it,
pretending to each other.
837
00:48:31,034 --> 00:48:32,707
He's not pretending.
He didn't do this.
838
00:48:32,792 --> 00:48:34,132
- I know he didn't do this.
- No, you don't!
839
00:48:34,216 --> 00:48:35,883
No one can sustain
that level of deception.
840
00:48:35,967 --> 00:48:37,216
Of course he could.
841
00:48:37,301 --> 00:48:39,268
You of all people
should know that.
842
00:48:44,178 --> 00:48:45,346
[scoffs]
843
00:48:49,199 --> 00:48:50,241
Yeah.
844
00:48:50,918 --> 00:48:52,487
Yeah, of course.
845
00:48:53,988 --> 00:48:55,425
He learned it from me.
846
00:49:01,930 --> 00:49:03,925
Maybe he learned it
from both of us.
847
00:49:10,341 --> 00:49:11,801
What do you want me
to say, Laurie?
848
00:49:13,106 --> 00:49:14,518
You're right.
849
00:49:15,298 --> 00:49:16,862
Our marriage is a lie.
850
00:49:17,715 --> 00:49:21,823
Our whole fucking family is based
on a fairy tale, built on nothing.
851
00:49:23,483 --> 00:49:25,260
And our son's a murderer.
852
00:49:26,475 --> 00:49:28,089
Is that what you want to hear?
853
00:49:28,671 --> 00:49:29,880
No.
854
00:49:33,225 --> 00:49:35,221
But that doesn't mean
it isn't true.
855
00:49:41,561 --> 00:49:43,659
[footsteps ascending stairs]
856
00:49:51,949 --> 00:49:53,456
[sobs]
857
00:50:33,627 --> 00:50:35,128
[woman screams]
858
00:50:35,888 --> 00:50:38,182
[people chattering]
859
00:50:40,175 --> 00:50:43,053
[woman screams]
860
00:50:53,772 --> 00:50:54,898
[woman on TV] Hello.
861
00:50:58,902 --> 00:51:00,654
[TV continues, indistinct]
862
00:51:08,036 --> 00:51:09,298
[sniffles]
863
00:51:13,500 --> 00:51:15,752
[sobbing]
864
00:51:33,728 --> 00:51:35,392
[sniffles]
865
00:51:36,314 --> 00:51:37,884
[exhales]
866
00:52:17,533 --> 00:52:19,868
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