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In October 2018,
the anonymous street artist
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known as Banksy published
this video online.
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In it, he can be seen
preparing a custom frame
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for his painting,
Girl with Balloon.
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The painting is about to be
offered for sale at Sotheby's,
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one of the world's most
exclusive auction houses.
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I have $30,000 dollars.
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Have we got 32,000?
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The event was a
typical art auction.
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Banksy's lot was the
last lot of the evening.
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The piece sold for
over a million US.
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Last chance at 850,000 pounds.
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The gavel came down,
sold, gone, sold.
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Selling for 860,000.
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As the hammer struck,
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the work started to
fall through the frame.
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And as it did, it shredded.
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And everybody witnessed in
horror as it was destroyed.
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I was like
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Street artist Banksy pulled off
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one of the greatest pranks in
the history of the art world.
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It caused a huge stir.
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I mean, nothing like
that had ever happened.
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That stunt has already
increased the value
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of that painting
up to $7 million.
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It plays on people's
fears and emotions
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and what true value is.
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Where do we place
value in society?
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Who does art belong to?
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He created an art history moment
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and wrote himself again
into the history books.
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The stunt atSotheby's wasn't the first time
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that Banksy had ambushed
one of the august
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institutions of the art world.
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15 years earlier, in
the winter of 2003,
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a mysterious figure
entered Tate Britain,
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one of the UK's most
prestigious art museums
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and placed a
painting on the wall.
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Over the following 18 months,
fake exhibits appeared
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in London's Natural History
Museum, the Louvre in Paris,
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and the Museum of
Modern Art in New York,
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all covertly installed by
the same anonymous stranger.
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He went through seven
different galleries,
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putting seven different works
of art up in these galleries.
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The one in the
Metropolitan Museum of Art
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only lasted two hours,
which was understandable,
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because it was a painting of
a rather posh-looking lady.
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She had a gas mask on, and
that was spotted very quickly.
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But the one in
the Museum of Art,
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that lasted for several days,
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because it was a painting
of a Tesco can of soup,
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and it looked just like
the Warhol cans of soup,
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and no one noticed it.
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It was a daring thing to do.
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He did it, he got away with it,
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and everyone suddenly
knew his name.
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But a name
was all the public had.
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Everything else
remained a mystery.
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Who was the secretive
artist that had evaded
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some of the world's
tightest security
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to hang his own work
alongside that of Monet,
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Picasso, and Warhol?
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Was he just one person?
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Or was Banksy a group of people?
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Was he hiding his identity
because he was already famous,
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someone known to the public,
perhaps a musician or actor?
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The stunts themselves
contained clues.
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Banksy had launched anaudacious game of cat and mouse.
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At the Tate, he
had risked arrest
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to bring his art to the public.
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In the Met, his piece had been
quickly removed by curators
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who were sure that it
didn't belong in a gallery.
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And at Sotheby's, Banksy had
performed an act of vandalism.
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And it was with vandalism
that it had all started.
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Graffiti hasbeen used to start revolutions,
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start wars, and
generally is the voice
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of the people who
aren't listened to.
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Graffiti is one of
the few tools you have
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if you have almost nothing.
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And even if you don't
come up with a picture
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to cure world
poverty, you can make
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someone smile when
they're having a piss.
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Graffiti isn't an art form.
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Graffiti is a reaction,
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an impulse,
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is like a spark.
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Dynamic, explosive,
unpredictable.
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Some people say
graffiti ruined my life
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and some people say
graffiti saved my life.
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A rush.
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It's an addiction.
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The rush, I think, is sort
of a consequence of it all.
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You're scared, and
your blood is pumping,
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and your adrenaline is pumping.
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But really you're doing
it for the recognition
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and not the rush.
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Running round a city
and getting your name up
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in as many places
as you possible can.
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The more risky, the better.
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You want your name as big
as possible in lights.
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It's fucking ridiculous,
but.
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Graffiti is always the
heartbeat of society.
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It captures what's going on
at that time, in that moment.
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For every Banksy that's
on top and is visible,
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you've got hundreds that may
be underground and invisible.
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Graffiti emerged in Philadelphia
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and then New York in the
late '60s and early '70s.
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The city was in
quote/unquote crisis.
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It was a city that
didn't have much revenue.
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There was a lot of crime,
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there was a lot of
drugs, a lot of poverty.
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Graffiti writing
started in neighborhoods
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like the Upper West Side
of Manhattan, the Bronx,
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Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn,
and it was a movement
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started by young kids that
were writing their names
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with their street numbers
on the walls around town
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to get recognized in some way.
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Sort of a game of tag.
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You're actually putting
your name on a place
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and sort of putting it
more and more and more
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and exposing yourself more,
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and then someone
else is coming in,
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following you and
doing the same thing.
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The game exploded
when kids decided
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to leave their streets
and go to the next street
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and the next street
and the next street
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and the next neighborhood and
the neighborhood after that.
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And it became hugely popular.
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The taller and wider
people sprayed their names,
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then somebody came up
with the bright idea
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of putting a second
color round their name.
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And before you know
it, the stick letters
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of small names on
the back of bus seats
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had turned into
seven-foot-high letters
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on the side of subway trains.
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And so then it really exploded
and became an art movement.
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Painting, or bombing,New York's subways system
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soon became the primary focus
for young graffiti writers
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obsessed with having their nameseen as widely as possible.
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The nascent art movement
developed its own grammar,
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rules, and culture,
all based around
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rendering letter
forms, from the tag,
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a signature scrawled quicklywith a spray can or marker pen,
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all the way up to the
piece, a large-scale,
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stylized depiction
of the artist's name.
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In 1983, the public was
given its first glimpse
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inside the graffiti
underground, with Tony Silver
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and Henry Chalfant's
landmark film "Style Wars".
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For many, Style Wars
depicted a strange, criminal,
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and dangerous subculture.
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But for others, it proved
to be an inspiration.
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It was a new universe
that was being showcased.
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And it was like, "Oh my god,
I gotta get a piece of this."
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It became a guidebook
for many people.
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You know, where it was like
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this is how it's
supposed to be done.
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People
don't know what I look like
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until now, until they
start going to the movies.
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They're gonna see my face.
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Big deal.
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Traveling round a city on
transport, and just like,
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"There's my tag, there's
my tag, there's my tag."
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It makes you feel
like you own the city.
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It's like, when
you paint a train
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and you see your train
running, you know,
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just the terminology:
I saw my train running.
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It isn't a train that
somebody catches to work,
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this is my train with my
name on it, and it's running.
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Graffiti gives this
young individual
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some kind of ownership
when they have nothing.
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It's a matter of bombing,
knowing that I can do it.
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Every time I get in the
train, almost every day
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I see my name, and I said,
"Yeah, you know what,
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"I was there, I bombed it."
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It's for me, it's not
for nobody else to see.
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I don't care about
nobody else seeing it
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or the face if they
can read it or not.
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It's for me and other graffiti
writers that we can read it.
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All these other people who
don't right, they're excluded.
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I don't care about them.
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They don't matter to me.
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But young
writers soon found
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that the pursuit of their art
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meant facing the full
wrath of the law.
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As complaints from
the public increased,
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New York's civil authorities
announced a war on graffiti,
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described the
artists as outlaws,
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and linked the prevalence
of tags to an upsurge
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in other, more serious
forms of crime.
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I think it's the
most disgusting thing
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that New York City has.
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This station was
just recently painted
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a couple of weeks ago,
and they seem to know
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when you're gonna paint
the station, and that night
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the station will be, end
up almost just like this.
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Graffiti
in New York has become
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a deep-rooted social problem
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that has bubbled up
from the underground
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to consume public buildings,
road signs, bus shelters,
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and, what's even more
disturbing, people's homes.
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It's just a general
and pervasive lack
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of consideration
for other people.
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I think that's the bottom line.
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-I think graffiti's--
-To us, it's art.
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-What?
-To us, it's art, you know?
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It's not a crime, but, you know,
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if the government give
us some right to do,
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we could make it look nice,
you know what I'm sayin'?
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Like for example,
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say you lived in this building.
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Yeah, but.
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You don't live in this building.
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You're comin' into your house,
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you're drawing on
this guy's house.
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This argument that
graffiti is bad
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and that graffiti should
be treated as a blight
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and that it should
be treated as a crime
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became more the
accepted point of view.
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The legal argument did actuallyhijack the art discussion.
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It was an approach
that has come to define
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the relationship
between street artists
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and authority ever since
and would ultimately become
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a central theme
in Banksy's work.
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Battle lines were drawn,
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and the artists were
permanently cast
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as belonging to the
criminal underground.
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Mayor Ed Koch
signed a law a few weeks ago
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that makes it illegal for a
merchant to sell spray paint
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or broad-tipped
markers to minors.
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But graffiti writers
for the most part
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don't buy their
paint; they steal it.
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Ski One, who writes
in Upper Manhattan,
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says that, while
a friend distracts
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the storekeeper, he fills a bag.
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You say some kind of can
that they don't have,
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it could be hard for
them to look for it.
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By the time they look for it,
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I'll have 250 cans, 300 hundred.
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-In your duffel bag?
-Yeah.
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It could ruin your career, yourfamily, your relationships.
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If you decide to be
that kind of a person,
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that kind of an
artist, you have to be
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well aware of
those consequences.
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You want your work to be seen
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by as many people as possible.
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But conversely, you want to
stay as anonymous as possible.
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Graffiti
was only one part
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of the broader youth
culture that emerged
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from New York in
the '70s and '80s.
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Although it had
developed independently,
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the art for becameinseparabley linked to hip hop,
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a new type of music and
dance that, like graffiti,
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was an improvised, DIY scene
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born of the same desolate
urban landscapes:
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The Bronx, Manhattan,
and Brooklyn.
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Style War presented
DJ-ing, rapping,
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break dancing, and
graffiti as expressions
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of this same hip
hop sub-culture.
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When Tony and Henry
created this film,
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it seemed like it
was all together
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and it was all this
hip hop package.
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The young kids that received
that from around the world
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decided that it
was only one thing.
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They didn't just
do the graffiti,
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they didn't just do the
DJ-ing or the dancing.
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They had to do it all.
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Alongside Style Wars,
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Henry Chalfant
published Subway Art,
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a book of the best images
from the subway system,
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in collaboration with photo
journalist Martha Cooper.
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The music, book, and
film spread graffiti
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beyond the perimeter
of New York City,
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to walls, trains, and
overpasses across the planet.
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I consider Style
Wars and Subway Art
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the holy grail of
graffiti, right?
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I went out and I stole
two cans of spray paint,
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which I learned became part
of the sport of graffiti.
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You had to rack your paint.
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And I went to my high
school that night,
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and I had like two cans
of white, two cans of red,
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and I sat out there, and I was
waiting for it to get dark,
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and I couldn't even wait.
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It was like dusk.
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I jumped the fence,
went in there,
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did this big surf piece,
and it was terrible.
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I mean, just the ugliest
thing you ever saw.
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The next day I got to school,
and I was all bummed out,
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'cause it wasn't like
the photos I saw.
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But I saw a huge
crowd around it,
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and everyone was like,
"That's so cool!"
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And I was like, "That's cool?"
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Martha Cooper and Henry Chalfant
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completely changed the
direction of my life.
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I was a little kid.
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I was down at King's Road.
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I went into WHSmith's
and I saw this book
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called "Subway Art", and it wasthe first thing that I stole.
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And it became my bible.
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I was like, "Oh my god.
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"There's this place where
people are painting trains,
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"and you don't know
that they're trains.
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"I need to do this for
some weird reason."
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Hip hop and rap was being
exported from New York.
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I was listening to Grandmaster
Flash and Sugarhill Gang.
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I was kind of into
break dancing,
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but I couldn't
break dance at all.
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I wanted to be
part of the scene,
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so graffiti kind
of did it for me.
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I come from
a relatively small city
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in southern England.
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When I was about 10 years old,
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a kid called 3D was
painting the streets hard.
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I think he'd been to New
York and was the first
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to bring spray painting
back to Bristol.
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I grew up seeing spray
paint on the streets
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way before I saw it in a
magazine or on a computer.
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Bristol is a port.
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It's a city built on trade.
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Most notoriously, it's
trade was the slave trade,
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the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.
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Old Bristol was destroyed
in the Second World War.
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And so the whole demographic
of Bristol changed,
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because the
working-class community
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were moved out from
the center of town.
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And it took a long, long time
for Bristol to be rebuilt.
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When I was growing up in
Bristol in the '70s and '80s,
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an awful lot of it
was still bomb sites.
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And that coincided in the '70s
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with the closure
of the city docks.
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And the center of Bristol
became a bit of a wasteland.
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A very multicultural city.
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In the last 30 or 40 years,
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it's been an incredibly
creative environment.
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If you look at the people
who have come out of there.
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You have Massive Attack,
Tricky, Portishead,
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that have shaped a
new form of music.
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You have someone like
Bansky that's gone on
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and become famous worldwide.
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00:18:52,786 --> 00:18:57,722
Bristol is big enough to have
interesting things going on
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but small enough that
people connect very quickly
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00:19:01,933 --> 00:19:03,970
and ideas spread quickly.
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00:19:04,971 --> 00:19:08,285
Bristol had the opportunity to
have a really healthy scene,
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a very focused and
healthy scene growing
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quite quickly in the '80s.
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That scene, its
art, music, and its politics,
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00:19:17,915 --> 00:19:20,159
would come to shape
Banksy's future career.
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00:19:21,643 --> 00:19:25,060
In the mid-'80s, however, he
was still a young schoolboy,
348
00:19:25,094 --> 00:19:27,476
trying to find out what
he might be good at.
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00:19:29,168 --> 00:19:31,204
Banksy's background
is a regular,
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middle-class Bristol boy.
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I think he got an E in art.
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He never went to art school.
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But people who studied
with him at the time
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said he had something
in his art work
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that they hadn't seen before.
356
00:19:47,220 --> 00:19:51,707
And Mrs. Thatcher
out onto the doorstep.
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Where there is discord
may we bring harmony.
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Where there is error
may we bring truth.
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00:19:58,714 --> 00:20:01,821
Where there is doubt
may we bring faith.
360
00:20:01,855 --> 00:20:05,031
And where there is
despair may we bring hope.
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See what they're doing?
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The 1980s was
a time in which Britain
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was rocked by civil unrest
and economic turmoil
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as the conservative government
of Margaret Thatcher
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sought to completely
reshape the country.
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Tearing up the old
social contract,
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00:20:25,638 --> 00:20:27,881
Thatcher launched the
capitalist revolution
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that placed money and the market
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at the center of national life.
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Good evening.
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Mrs. Thatcher has said it again.
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Her government intends to
see its economic policy
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through to a conclusion.
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Industries went out of business.
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Parts of the UK, particularly
the north and the midlands
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were de-industrialized
very rapidly
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and became like ghost towns.
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00:20:51,457 --> 00:20:54,080
There was this sort of
almost overnight desolation
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00:20:54,114 --> 00:20:57,083
that descended on
a lot of the UK.
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No prospects for young people.
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00:21:00,017 --> 00:21:01,536
Some of them turned to heroin.
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00:21:01,570 --> 00:21:03,296
It was a bleak time.
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00:21:05,022 --> 00:21:07,749
Bristol at the
time was suffering
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from a lot of industries
going, unemployment, conflict.
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00:21:13,133 --> 00:21:14,756
There were riots.
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00:21:14,790 --> 00:21:17,137
It was, like much of
Britain at the time,
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00:21:17,172 --> 00:21:18,415
quite an unhappy city.
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00:21:19,795 --> 00:21:22,936
It was still that
old British mentality
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00:21:22,971 --> 00:21:24,731
of Friday night fight night.
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00:21:24,766 --> 00:21:26,285
And it really was.
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00:21:26,319 --> 00:21:28,839
It was that kind of, went
out drinking on a Friday,
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00:21:28,873 --> 00:21:30,772
you had a fight, you went
home, it was a good night.
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00:21:31,842 --> 00:21:36,364
Bristol rebelled against
the culture of Thatcher-ism.
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00:21:37,744 --> 00:21:41,127
The idea of everything
having a value, for example.
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00:21:41,161 --> 00:21:43,267
And it manifested
itself in the growth
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00:21:43,302 --> 00:21:45,373
of the alternative
culture in Bristol.
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00:21:45,407 --> 00:21:48,824
And Bristol adopted hip hop,
New York hip hop particularly,
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00:21:48,859 --> 00:21:51,793
as its dominant subculture.
399
00:21:51,827 --> 00:21:54,071
And it's from there, really,
400
00:21:54,105 --> 00:21:57,764
that its anti-authority
kind of attitude
401
00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:01,734
seems to have come about,
not by design, by accident.
402
00:22:02,873 --> 00:22:04,357
The
arrival of hip hop
403
00:22:04,392 --> 00:22:07,533
made a spectacular impact on
Bristol's music and art scene.
404
00:22:08,499 --> 00:22:12,123
Clubs in the largely black and
Irish community of St. Pauls
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00:22:12,158 --> 00:22:14,263
began hosting hip hop nights.
406
00:22:14,298 --> 00:22:16,473
And several of the
city's sound systems
407
00:22:16,507 --> 00:22:19,579
started to incorporate
Emceeing and break beats.
408
00:22:20,684 --> 00:22:22,548
The Wild Bunch
sound system emerged
409
00:22:22,582 --> 00:22:24,688
as the dominant
force on the scene,
410
00:22:24,722 --> 00:22:26,862
and its nights performing
at the Dugout Club
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00:22:26,897 --> 00:22:31,315
in central Bristol quickly
became the stuff of legend.
412
00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:35,008
The Wild Bunch was a
group of DJs and rappers.
413
00:22:35,043 --> 00:22:38,598
Out of the Wild Bunch
grew Massive Attack.
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00:22:38,633 --> 00:22:41,601
Nellee Hooper, one of
the great producers
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00:22:41,636 --> 00:22:45,156
of the 20th century worked
with Soul II Soul and Bjork.
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00:22:45,191 --> 00:22:47,400
It was sort of like
the training ground
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00:22:47,435 --> 00:22:50,679
for people who would be
defining cultural figures
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00:22:50,714 --> 00:22:52,336
of the British '90s.
419
00:23:03,451 --> 00:23:05,660
And they were definitely
the coolest guys
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00:23:05,694 --> 00:23:07,075
on the scene at the time,
421
00:23:07,109 --> 00:23:09,526
and a lot of people
wanted to imitate them.
422
00:23:10,734 --> 00:23:12,874
Being able to put on
a party in a house,
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00:23:12,908 --> 00:23:14,910
charging 50 P on the door,
424
00:23:14,945 --> 00:23:17,879
hiring a reggae sound system
from some guys down the road
425
00:23:17,913 --> 00:23:20,088
who had some really
big speaker boxes,
426
00:23:20,122 --> 00:23:22,262
and having an illegal
bar in the corner
427
00:23:22,297 --> 00:23:24,817
and filling the house with
a couple of hundred people
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00:23:24,851 --> 00:23:26,957
was relatively straightforward.
429
00:23:33,826 --> 00:23:36,345
It was no coincidence
that the explosion
430
00:23:36,380 --> 00:23:40,867
of both graffiti in
Bristol at that time
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00:23:40,902 --> 00:23:43,870
and hip hop culture,
sound system culture
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00:23:43,905 --> 00:23:47,633
especially in Bristol,
both seemed to
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00:23:47,667 --> 00:23:49,842
mushroom simultaneously
together.
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00:23:53,155 --> 00:23:55,537
The twin art
forms of music and graffiti
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00:23:55,572 --> 00:23:59,438
were personified by the single
figure of Robert Del Naja,
436
00:23:59,472 --> 00:24:01,888
a founding member
of the Wild Bunch.
437
00:24:01,923 --> 00:24:06,928
Del Naja, also variously known
as 3D, Delj, or simply D,
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00:24:07,238 --> 00:24:10,000
had spend some time in New
York during the early '80s,
439
00:24:10,034 --> 00:24:11,967
and when he returned to Bristol,
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00:24:12,002 --> 00:24:14,142
he brought graffiti with him.
441
00:24:14,349 --> 00:24:18,180
3D was also arguably the
UK's first graffiti artist.
442
00:24:18,215 --> 00:24:19,423
He was really a visionary.
443
00:24:19,458 --> 00:24:21,736
He always had his eye
on the big picture.
444
00:24:22,944 --> 00:24:26,534
He would wander around
and paint full-color,
445
00:24:26,568 --> 00:24:30,538
fully-blown pieces of graffiti
in very, very public spaces,
446
00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:33,644
freehand, with
very neat outlines,
447
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:36,440
very precisely well
thought out color schemes.
448
00:24:36,475 --> 00:24:38,925
It was like New York
had arrived in Bristol.
449
00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:46,174
For us, as kids grown up on
estates and everything else,
450
00:24:46,208 --> 00:24:49,591
it's like suddenly you
started seeing this art form
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00:24:49,626 --> 00:24:52,318
that belonged to us for
the first time ever.
452
00:24:52,352 --> 00:24:54,389
Like, I'd never
been in a gallery.
453
00:24:54,423 --> 00:24:56,529
I'd never gone to a museum.
454
00:24:56,564 --> 00:24:58,566
And then, suddenly
started seeing
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00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,741
this kind of visceral art
form come out of New York
456
00:25:01,776 --> 00:25:05,538
that was at that time tied
in with hip hop as well.
457
00:25:05,573 --> 00:25:07,609
I used to get the bus into town
458
00:25:07,644 --> 00:25:10,405
to travel around
to see D's pieces.
459
00:25:10,439 --> 00:25:12,511
3D started painting in 1983.
460
00:25:12,545 --> 00:25:14,892
And not long afterwards,
the film Wild Style
461
00:25:14,927 --> 00:25:18,965
was shown at the Art
Center Cinema in Bristol.
462
00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:22,348
How can you call people
that hang out windows,
463
00:25:22,382 --> 00:25:24,005
and watch trains,
Writers, man?
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00:25:24,039 --> 00:25:24,937
You gotta write!
465
00:25:24,971 --> 00:25:26,248
You gotta do the action, man!
466
00:25:26,283 --> 00:25:27,871
You know, you gotta
go there, rack up!
467
00:25:27,905 --> 00:25:30,045
You gotta go out and paint
468
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,289
and be called an outlaw
at the same time.
469
00:25:33,048 --> 00:25:34,394
Myself and
a group of friends
470
00:25:34,429 --> 00:25:37,570
sat and watched this
window on New York
471
00:25:37,605 --> 00:25:40,539
and all the different aspects
of the hip hop subculture.
472
00:25:41,609 --> 00:25:44,301
To then walk out of the cinema
and see all this graffiti
473
00:25:44,335 --> 00:25:47,580
with the name 3D and the Z Boys,
474
00:25:47,615 --> 00:25:49,962
which was the crew that
he was painting with,
475
00:25:49,996 --> 00:25:52,274
right there and then,
it was immediate.
476
00:25:52,309 --> 00:25:55,726
There were a number of crews
that started that night
477
00:25:55,761 --> 00:25:58,522
when Wild Style was first shownat the Arts Center Cinema.
478
00:25:59,419 --> 00:26:01,870
This proliferation
of budding graffiti artists
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00:26:01,905 --> 00:26:03,596
coincided with the retirement
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00:26:03,631 --> 00:26:06,185
of their spiritual
leader, Robert Del Naja.
481
00:26:07,324 --> 00:26:10,292
Issued with a final warning
by the police, Del Naja
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00:26:10,327 --> 00:26:13,951
hung up his spray can toconcentrate on his music career.
483
00:26:13,986 --> 00:26:16,091
He went on to form
Massive Attack,
484
00:26:16,126 --> 00:26:19,094
one of the most important
British bands of the era.
485
00:26:19,232 --> 00:26:21,510
Del Naja was a pioneer.
486
00:26:21,545 --> 00:26:25,722
Alongside him, then you had
guys like Z Boys, Ian Dark,
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00:26:25,756 --> 00:26:30,761
Jafa, Fade, you had Feel
It, Inkie, Nick Walker.
488
00:26:31,106 --> 00:26:33,592
Those, for me,
were the originals.
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00:26:41,151 --> 00:26:42,359
While Robert Del Naja
490
00:26:42,393 --> 00:26:45,120
had been a lone gunslingerroaming the streets of Bristol,
491
00:26:45,155 --> 00:26:47,847
stalked by the police,
the wave of writers
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00:26:47,882 --> 00:26:50,678
who came after him benefited
from the appearance
493
00:26:50,712 --> 00:26:52,749
of an unofficial
graffiti headquarters
494
00:26:52,783 --> 00:26:54,060
in the east of the city.
495
00:26:55,372 --> 00:26:58,099
Amid the social
difficulties of the 1980s
496
00:26:58,133 --> 00:27:00,964
and bleak prospects
for most young people,
497
00:27:00,998 --> 00:27:03,552
a local youth worker
named John Nation
498
00:27:03,587 --> 00:27:06,486
offered up the walls of his
youth club to any artist
499
00:27:06,521 --> 00:27:09,835
brave enough to travel to
the badlands of Barton Hill.
500
00:27:12,078 --> 00:27:14,011
I'd heard there
was a graffiti hall of fame
501
00:27:14,046 --> 00:27:16,289
somewhere in Barton
Hill, but my dad
502
00:27:16,324 --> 00:27:18,188
was badly beaten
up there as a kid
503
00:27:18,222 --> 00:27:20,708
and had his trousers
stolen, so he'd always
504
00:27:20,742 --> 00:27:23,400
put the fear of God
into me about the place.
505
00:27:23,434 --> 00:27:24,712
Of course, it turned out to be
506
00:27:24,746 --> 00:27:27,818
the most inspiring stretch
of concrete in Bristol.
507
00:27:27,853 --> 00:27:31,270
And I made a pilgrimage
there every weekend.
508
00:27:31,304 --> 00:27:33,686
What it showed us
was very powerful:
509
00:27:33,721 --> 00:27:35,964
that there was a choice
between compromising
510
00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:38,553
and following your own
strange little dreams.
511
00:27:40,866 --> 00:27:44,697
Barton Hill was an area which
had a terrible reputation.
512
00:27:44,732 --> 00:27:47,735
It struck fear into, if you
were not from Barton Hill,
513
00:27:47,769 --> 00:27:49,322
you didn't go to Barton Hill.
514
00:27:50,876 --> 00:27:52,463
White.
515
00:27:52,498 --> 00:27:54,155
Working class.
516
00:27:54,189 --> 00:27:58,193
Hostile to outsiders
from the area.
517
00:27:58,228 --> 00:28:00,713
Very territorial.
518
00:28:00,748 --> 00:28:04,337
Strong sense of community.
519
00:28:04,372 --> 00:28:07,202
But also, Barton
Hill had a reputation
520
00:28:07,237 --> 00:28:10,136
as being a tough place,
and a lot of that
521
00:28:10,171 --> 00:28:13,864
was to do with an older
generation of lads
522
00:28:13,899 --> 00:28:17,281
that were predominantly
into football hooliganism.
523
00:28:18,835 --> 00:28:21,009
A lot of them were
deemed as being
524
00:28:21,044 --> 00:28:23,736
into right-wing National Front.
525
00:28:25,773 --> 00:28:28,741
Barton Hill Youth Club
provided a meeting place
526
00:28:28,776 --> 00:28:31,744
for disaffected youth
from across Bristol,
527
00:28:31,779 --> 00:28:34,229
kids who were getting
into a lot of trouble,
528
00:28:34,264 --> 00:28:39,269
and channeled their energies
into a far more creative way
529
00:28:39,407 --> 00:28:42,410
through what John always
referred to as "aerosol art."
530
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,794
Two young guys had
visited New York,
531
00:28:46,828 --> 00:28:49,520
and they approached me to paint
532
00:28:49,555 --> 00:28:52,489
the external face of
Barton Hill Youth Club.
533
00:28:52,523 --> 00:28:56,286
Now, at that time, the front
of Barton Hill Youth Club
534
00:28:56,320 --> 00:29:00,255
was adorned with
political statements,
535
00:29:00,290 --> 00:29:03,362
National Front emblems,
Barton Hill Boot Boys,
536
00:29:03,396 --> 00:29:06,537
Bristol City Service Firm
football hooligan crew.
537
00:29:06,572 --> 00:29:11,163
That kind of culture was
what was being displayed
538
00:29:11,197 --> 00:29:12,647
on Barton Youth
Club at that time.
539
00:29:12,681 --> 00:29:15,995
So, we decided this is
something that was fresh,
540
00:29:16,030 --> 00:29:19,309
and the fact that these two
guys are Barton Hill locals
541
00:29:19,343 --> 00:29:21,621
and that they want to
do this was encouraging.
542
00:29:21,656 --> 00:29:25,453
And that really was the
beginnings of laying some of
543
00:29:25,487 --> 00:29:28,042
the foundations for Barton Hill
544
00:29:28,076 --> 00:29:30,769
to grow a huge
reputation in the city.
545
00:29:32,115 --> 00:29:35,635
The one place in Bristol
where you could paint legally
546
00:29:35,670 --> 00:29:38,431
all day long on the
walls of the ball court,
547
00:29:38,466 --> 00:29:40,468
and likely on the
outside of the building.
548
00:29:40,502 --> 00:29:42,263
It was bliss.
549
00:29:42,297 --> 00:29:43,436
It was luxury.
550
00:29:43,471 --> 00:29:46,267
We could sit around,
take our time.
551
00:29:46,301 --> 00:29:48,752
The other thing that
Barton Hill Youth Club had
552
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:51,859
was that it backed onto
the railway tracks.
553
00:29:53,446 --> 00:29:56,001
Painting safely
and legally at a youth center
554
00:29:56,035 --> 00:29:58,210
was one thing, but
it lacked the glamor
555
00:29:58,244 --> 00:29:59,901
of New York subway art.
556
00:29:59,936 --> 00:30:02,662
The danger, the
rush, and, crucially,
557
00:30:02,697 --> 00:30:05,113
the ability to achieve
city-wide renown.
558
00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,565
The young graffiti
writers at Barton Hill
559
00:30:08,599 --> 00:30:10,498
used the club as a staging post
560
00:30:10,532 --> 00:30:12,327
for bombing raids on trains,
561
00:30:12,362 --> 00:30:14,916
buses, and walls across Bristol.
562
00:30:14,951 --> 00:30:17,229
And before long,
their names and styles
563
00:30:17,263 --> 00:30:20,128
became a familiar part
of the urban landscape.
564
00:30:20,232 --> 00:30:21,923
You had artists like
565
00:30:23,062 --> 00:30:25,099
Inkie, Felix,
566
00:30:25,133 --> 00:30:27,239
Turo, Era,
567
00:30:27,273 --> 00:30:28,999
Chaos, and Shab.
568
00:30:30,414 --> 00:30:33,314
I started painting with
a crew called Crime Inc,
569
00:30:33,348 --> 00:30:37,697
and we followed the
template set down by 3D
570
00:30:37,732 --> 00:30:40,010
in as much as we would sneak out
571
00:30:40,045 --> 00:30:43,427
after our parents were
in bed and go and paint
572
00:30:43,462 --> 00:30:45,844
pieces of graffiti
around the city.
573
00:30:46,983 --> 00:30:49,675
And the level of
tagging that took over
574
00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:52,471
in Barton Hill
encroached on the quality
575
00:30:52,505 --> 00:30:55,267
of people's private
and public property.
576
00:30:55,301 --> 00:30:58,270
The auto shop was getting
knocked off in Barton Hill.
577
00:30:58,304 --> 00:31:00,444
Proper break-ins.
578
00:31:00,479 --> 00:31:02,826
They managed to find a way in
579
00:31:02,861 --> 00:31:06,657
through the back of the
premises and relieve them
580
00:31:06,692 --> 00:31:08,452
of hundreds and hundreds
of tins of paint.
581
00:31:09,246 --> 00:31:12,180
Many of the houses that
were on the housing estate,
582
00:31:12,215 --> 00:31:14,907
adjacent to Barton Youth
Club, their front doors
583
00:31:14,942 --> 00:31:18,117
were tagged, their
bins, the local pub,
584
00:31:18,152 --> 00:31:22,087
the wall was absolutely
caned with tags.
585
00:31:22,121 --> 00:31:23,743
There was a trail
you could follow.
586
00:31:23,778 --> 00:31:27,678
You would know that
there was a center
587
00:31:27,713 --> 00:31:29,197
where graffiti was taking place
588
00:31:29,232 --> 00:31:32,891
and that this trail of tags
and throw-ups and daubs
589
00:31:32,925 --> 00:31:35,928
led to that one center
point, which was Barton Hill.
590
00:31:35,963 --> 00:31:39,690
This antagonized a lot
of the local residents.
591
00:31:39,725 --> 00:31:44,040
It got to a point where
the council and the police,
592
00:31:44,074 --> 00:31:46,456
British Transport
Police, specifically,
593
00:31:46,490 --> 00:31:48,285
were starting to
talk to one another.
594
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,115
And they got to a
point where they felt
595
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:51,323
that something had to be done.
596
00:31:52,289 --> 00:31:54,947
A city that can't
control its vandals
597
00:31:54,982 --> 00:31:57,570
is seen by many to be a
city that's out of control.
598
00:31:59,158 --> 00:32:01,022
In the
summer of 1989,
599
00:32:01,057 --> 00:32:03,783
the British Transport Police
launched a series of raids
600
00:32:03,818 --> 00:32:06,890
to arrest Bristol's most
infamous graffiti artists.
601
00:32:07,995 --> 00:32:11,239
The raids were the culmination
of Operation Anderson,
602
00:32:11,274 --> 00:32:14,139
a yearlong investigation
into Barton Hill,
603
00:32:14,173 --> 00:32:16,348
the biggest
anti-graffiti operation
604
00:32:16,382 --> 00:32:18,937
ever to be undertaken in the UK.
605
00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:22,181
A total of 72 people involved
in the graffiti scene
606
00:32:22,216 --> 00:32:25,529
were rounded up and charged
with criminal damage.
607
00:32:25,564 --> 00:32:28,981
John Nation was interrogated
and pressured to divulge
608
00:32:29,016 --> 00:32:31,570
the real names behind
the city's tags.
609
00:32:31,604 --> 00:32:33,227
If he refused to cooperate,
610
00:32:33,261 --> 00:32:35,539
he would be charged
with conspiracy,
611
00:32:35,574 --> 00:32:38,335
the most serious offense
that the police could allege.
612
00:32:39,543 --> 00:32:41,545
Most of the artists
were convicted,
613
00:32:41,580 --> 00:32:45,929
but I didn't divulge oneperson's identity to the police,
614
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:49,346
and so they charged me
with conspiracy to organize
615
00:32:49,381 --> 00:32:52,453
and incite individuals to
commit criminal damage.
616
00:32:52,487 --> 00:32:54,420
I had a trust placed in
me by those young people
617
00:32:54,455 --> 00:32:57,320
and the confidentiality
and the respect
618
00:32:57,354 --> 00:32:59,667
and the bond that I had
with those young people
619
00:33:00,979 --> 00:33:03,671
would be the determining factor.
620
00:33:10,919 --> 00:33:12,266
It might
sound a little crazy,
621
00:33:12,300 --> 00:33:14,302
but I think John
Nation, that shouty,
622
00:33:14,337 --> 00:33:17,340
red-faced little social
worker who made it all happen,
623
00:33:17,374 --> 00:33:18,962
has had more impact on the shape
624
00:33:18,997 --> 00:33:21,585
of British culture
over the past 20 years
625
00:33:21,620 --> 00:33:24,174
than anyone else to
come from the city.
626
00:33:24,209 --> 00:33:27,039
And I bet none of the cops
who arrested him can say that.
627
00:33:29,662 --> 00:33:32,010
So the consequence
of Operation Anderson
628
00:33:32,044 --> 00:33:36,428
was that the majority
of the writers stopped,
629
00:33:36,704 --> 00:33:40,018
which is what the authorities,
of course, wanted.
630
00:33:41,053 --> 00:33:43,745
The other consequence was
that those who continued
631
00:33:43,780 --> 00:33:45,299
went completely underground
632
00:33:45,333 --> 00:33:48,543
and lived completely
outside the law.
633
00:33:48,578 --> 00:33:52,927
So you had a smaller group of
very, very hardcore writers
634
00:33:52,961 --> 00:33:55,723
who were taking on
the authorities.
635
00:33:55,757 --> 00:33:59,451
And it was into this
vacuum, if you like,
636
00:34:01,039 --> 00:34:02,178
that Banksy emerged.
637
00:34:04,732 --> 00:34:06,147
A generation younger
638
00:34:06,182 --> 00:34:08,770
than the first wave of
Bristol graffiti writers,
639
00:34:08,805 --> 00:34:11,773
Banksy showed up on the
scene in the early '90s,
640
00:34:11,808 --> 00:34:13,706
where he fell in
with one of the crews
641
00:34:13,741 --> 00:34:16,088
that had remained
active in the aftermath
642
00:34:16,123 --> 00:34:17,400
of Operation Anderson.
643
00:34:18,780 --> 00:34:22,267
Banksy first appeared working
with the DryBreadzCrew,
644
00:34:22,301 --> 00:34:24,476
which the Loki and Kato, Tes.
645
00:34:25,615 --> 00:34:28,790
He was a snotty
kid hanging around,
646
00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:31,621
saying, "Can I spray
something as well?"
647
00:34:31,655 --> 00:34:34,175
and was largely ignored until
he just hung around so much
648
00:34:34,210 --> 00:34:37,489
that eventually they relented,
and he started working
649
00:34:37,523 --> 00:34:39,732
with DryBreadz or
Bad Apples Crew,
650
00:34:39,767 --> 00:34:41,493
which were essentially
the same crew.
651
00:34:41,527 --> 00:34:43,736
I think the probably
all came together
652
00:34:43,771 --> 00:34:47,223
around the same time,
probably slightly dismayed
653
00:34:47,257 --> 00:34:51,227
that people had actually been
able to be put off painting
654
00:34:51,261 --> 00:34:54,126
by what happened during
Operation Anderson.
655
00:34:54,161 --> 00:34:55,541
But I'm sure it
made a young Banksy
656
00:34:55,576 --> 00:34:58,889
more determined to get
his work out there.
657
00:34:59,062 --> 00:35:00,684
They very quickly
realized that there
658
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:02,859
was something a bit
special about Banksy
659
00:35:02,893 --> 00:35:05,068
and that this little
kid was pretty good
660
00:35:05,103 --> 00:35:07,381
as a freehand
artist at that time
661
00:35:08,313 --> 00:35:10,418
and had some really
interesting ideas.
662
00:35:10,453 --> 00:35:13,870
A lot of those ideas were aroundthe placement of the work.
663
00:35:13,904 --> 00:35:16,631
Sometimes the pieces
which DryBreadz
664
00:35:16,666 --> 00:35:19,945
or Bad Apples were putting
up were put up in places
665
00:35:19,979 --> 00:35:22,672
where were quite dangerous
for them to paint,
666
00:35:22,706 --> 00:35:24,881
so quite public places.
667
00:35:24,915 --> 00:35:28,091
And there was a reluctance
for them to go there,
668
00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:30,058
because they thought
they'd be nicked,
669
00:35:30,093 --> 00:35:34,028
until they realized the nextday, when they were on the bus,
670
00:35:34,062 --> 00:35:37,583
that it was directly
opposite the bus stop
671
00:35:37,618 --> 00:35:41,104
and at eye level with
the top deck of the bus.
672
00:35:41,139 --> 00:35:43,175
And so, he'd thought
out where the work
673
00:35:43,210 --> 00:35:45,488
was gonna be most visible,
674
00:35:45,522 --> 00:35:47,973
which is a theme which
is really important
675
00:35:48,007 --> 00:35:50,113
to Banksy's work,
is where it goes,
676
00:35:50,148 --> 00:35:51,183
whether it's opposite a bus stop
677
00:35:51,218 --> 00:35:53,047
on a busy main road in Bristol,
678
00:35:53,081 --> 00:35:56,326
or whether it's the Walled
Off Hotel in Palestine.
679
00:35:56,361 --> 00:35:59,053
The placement of the work
is absolutely crucial
680
00:35:59,087 --> 00:36:00,123
to his art, I feel.
681
00:36:01,573 --> 00:36:04,058
When he first started,
he was painting letters.
682
00:36:04,092 --> 00:36:08,407
He was, in all sense and
purposes, a graffiti artist.
683
00:36:08,442 --> 00:36:11,030
Whether he was a
great graffiti artist,
684
00:36:11,065 --> 00:36:12,963
that's debatable in
my humble opinion.
685
00:36:12,998 --> 00:36:15,345
He's gone on to
progress from being ...
686
00:36:17,140 --> 00:36:19,004
a half-decent graph
writer, I would say,
687
00:36:19,038 --> 00:36:22,110
to a totally different
conceptual artist
688
00:36:22,145 --> 00:36:24,527
from the guys that he was with.
689
00:36:24,561 --> 00:36:27,357
He was off the
radar at that point.
690
00:36:27,392 --> 00:36:30,981
He wasn't one of the knownwriters from Operation Anderson.
691
00:36:31,016 --> 00:36:32,190
The police didn't
have his number;
692
00:36:32,224 --> 00:36:33,674
they didn't know who he was,
693
00:36:33,708 --> 00:36:36,815
hence his anonymity was
so important to his work.
694
00:36:39,438 --> 00:36:41,233
Banksy's
early work suggested
695
00:36:41,268 --> 00:36:44,547
that he was a different
breed of graffiti artist.
696
00:36:44,581 --> 00:36:47,239
His pieces often
included social comments
697
00:36:47,274 --> 00:36:49,517
or vaguely political messages.
698
00:36:49,552 --> 00:36:51,001
Highly unusual for an art form
699
00:36:51,036 --> 00:36:53,625
that was mainly concerned
with letter forms
700
00:36:53,659 --> 00:36:54,971
and striking visuals.
701
00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,428
Banksy emerged during a time
702
00:37:03,462 --> 00:37:05,947
when British culture
was changing.
703
00:37:05,982 --> 00:37:08,743
Following the arrival of
house music from Chicago,
704
00:37:08,778 --> 00:37:11,850
the sound systems and
free parties of the 1980s
705
00:37:11,884 --> 00:37:14,473
had evolved into
large-scale illegal raves
706
00:37:14,508 --> 00:37:17,269
fueled by a new drug: ecstasy.
707
00:37:18,615 --> 00:37:21,273
Shut out of graffiti
by Operation Anderson,
708
00:37:21,308 --> 00:37:24,172
many of Bristol's
underground artists grifted
709
00:37:24,207 --> 00:37:26,278
into the rave scene,
where they continued
710
00:37:26,313 --> 00:37:29,247
to disregard society's
established rules.
711
00:37:30,420 --> 00:37:32,974
The state response to
rave would be one event
712
00:37:33,009 --> 00:37:36,046
amongst several that
directly politicized Banksy.
713
00:37:37,220 --> 00:37:39,947
By the early '90s, the
conservative government,
714
00:37:39,981 --> 00:37:42,812
which had always been repressivetowards minority groups
715
00:37:42,846 --> 00:37:44,952
and those outside
of the mainstream,
716
00:37:44,986 --> 00:37:47,265
was struggling to
maintain its authority.
717
00:37:48,300 --> 00:37:50,889
The poll tax, a new
system of taxation
718
00:37:50,923 --> 00:37:53,443
felt by many to be an
attack on the poor,
719
00:37:53,478 --> 00:37:55,963
provoked fierce
rioting in London,
720
00:37:55,997 --> 00:37:57,723
pit the police
against the people,
721
00:37:57,758 --> 00:38:00,278
and led to the downfall
of Margaret Thatcher.
722
00:38:05,352 --> 00:38:08,355
After John Major replaced
Thatcher as Prime Minister,
723
00:38:08,389 --> 00:38:10,288
his government
launched a campaign
724
00:38:10,322 --> 00:38:11,875
against groups that
he considered
725
00:38:11,910 --> 00:38:13,394
to be socially disruptive.
726
00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:17,847
In 1994, the deeply
unpopular Criminal Justice
727
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:22,127
and Public Order Act paved the
way for a crackdown on raves.
728
00:38:22,161 --> 00:38:23,922
It gave the police
sweeping powers
729
00:38:23,956 --> 00:38:26,614
to stop and search,
evict squatters,
730
00:38:26,649 --> 00:38:28,720
and to take action
against a gathering
731
00:38:28,754 --> 00:38:30,894
of as few as five
people listening
732
00:38:30,929 --> 00:38:33,380
to what it termed
"repetitive beats."
733
00:38:36,659 --> 00:38:40,110
The new law also discriminated
against both Gypsies
734
00:38:40,145 --> 00:38:43,079
and Travelers, an
itinerant community
735
00:38:43,113 --> 00:38:45,978
that traversed the British
countryside in caravans
736
00:38:46,013 --> 00:38:49,672
and was associated with
anarchism, environmentalism,
737
00:38:49,706 --> 00:38:52,191
libertarianism, and
other radical ideas.
738
00:38:57,369 --> 00:39:00,061
I got politicizedduring the poll tax riots,
739
00:39:00,096 --> 00:39:02,961
criminal justice acts,
and the Hartcliff riots.
740
00:39:02,995 --> 00:39:04,342
That was Bristol's Rodney King.
741
00:39:05,308 --> 00:39:06,827
I can also remember my old man
742
00:39:06,861 --> 00:39:08,829
taking me down to
see the Lloyd's Bank,
743
00:39:08,863 --> 00:39:11,245
what was left of
it, after the 1980
744
00:39:11,279 --> 00:39:12,936
St. Pauls riots in Bristol.
745
00:39:14,593 --> 00:39:16,388
It's mad to see
how the whole thing
746
00:39:16,423 --> 00:39:18,977
of having to do what your
told can be taken back
747
00:39:19,011 --> 00:39:21,255
and how few people it
takes to grab it back.
748
00:39:24,465 --> 00:39:27,261
Banksy was close
to the Traveler community,
749
00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:30,091
who were a large presence
in the southwest of England.
750
00:39:31,092 --> 00:39:33,405
The Glastonbury Festival,
Britain's annual
751
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,581
summer celebration of
music, peace, love,
752
00:39:36,615 --> 00:39:40,343
and alternative living, took
place not far from Bristol,
753
00:39:40,378 --> 00:39:42,621
and Travelers were a
fixture at the site.
754
00:39:43,657 --> 00:39:46,970
In 1998, he painted this piece,
755
00:39:47,005 --> 00:39:48,834
inspired by hop hop and rave,
756
00:39:48,869 --> 00:39:52,113
on the side of a trailer at
the Glastonbury festival.
757
00:39:52,148 --> 00:39:55,220
The smiley face, the
unofficial logo of rave,
758
00:39:55,254 --> 00:39:57,567
appears in many of
his later stencils.
759
00:39:58,741 --> 00:40:02,400
By the close of the '90s,
Banksy, pictured here
760
00:40:02,434 --> 00:40:05,437
during a trip to visit the
left-wing Zapatista rebels
761
00:40:05,472 --> 00:40:07,543
in Mexico, had become an artist
762
00:40:07,577 --> 00:40:10,546
for whom message was
as important as image.
763
00:40:14,584 --> 00:40:16,414
Certainly in the early days
764
00:40:16,448 --> 00:40:19,865
it's that very
kind of simplistic,
765
00:40:19,900 --> 00:40:23,248
left-wing attitude of
most of the Travelers,
766
00:40:23,282 --> 00:40:25,906
which, I'm a lifelong
Labour supporter,
767
00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:28,909
but I can't stand
that Traveling scene,
768
00:40:28,943 --> 00:40:31,187
never could, never will, yeah?
769
00:40:31,221 --> 00:40:34,915
But I can see where bits
of that came through to him
770
00:40:34,949 --> 00:40:37,158
in his mentality and
the way he thought.
771
00:40:38,608 --> 00:40:39,747
He was reflecting
772
00:40:39,782 --> 00:40:42,785
the anti-capitalism,
the anti-authority,
773
00:40:42,819 --> 00:40:45,581
the anti-war feelings
which were prevalent
774
00:40:45,615 --> 00:40:48,376
among the Bristol
underground at the time,
775
00:40:48,411 --> 00:40:50,378
and a genuine belief
that the world
776
00:40:50,413 --> 00:40:53,381
can be changed to be a
better, and fairer place.
777
00:40:55,107 --> 00:40:56,108
At the same time,
778
00:40:56,143 --> 00:40:58,283
Banksy was evolving
stylistically.
779
00:40:59,215 --> 00:41:01,493
Stenciling, a technique
that had notably
780
00:41:01,528 --> 00:41:03,564
been favored by Robert Del Naja,
781
00:41:03,599 --> 00:41:06,256
became an increasingly
important part of his work.
782
00:41:11,227 --> 00:41:14,955
Something that, if you
were doing freehand,
783
00:41:14,989 --> 00:41:18,303
would take you hours, and
if you were using a stencil
784
00:41:19,615 --> 00:41:21,720
would take you less
than five minutes
785
00:41:21,755 --> 00:41:24,378
and you probably won't
get caught doing it.
786
00:41:25,724 --> 00:41:29,556
You have an idea, you have
an image, you print it out.
787
00:41:29,590 --> 00:41:30,867
You then project that image
788
00:41:30,902 --> 00:41:33,076
onto a piece of
card in your studio.
789
00:41:33,111 --> 00:41:36,563
You cut it out into like
a three-layer stencil.
790
00:41:36,597 --> 00:41:38,841
You then walk up to a wall
791
00:41:39,704 --> 00:41:42,534
and you stick the first layer
of the stencil on the wall,
792
00:41:42,569 --> 00:41:44,502
which isn't illegal.
793
00:41:44,536 --> 00:41:47,505
And you stand there and
you wait for no one to come
794
00:41:47,539 --> 00:41:48,816
and you spray the first card.
795
00:41:48,851 --> 00:41:50,335
And you take it down,
give it to your mate,
796
00:41:50,369 --> 00:41:54,373
stick the next layer up,
which, again, isn't illegal.
797
00:41:54,408 --> 00:41:58,101
So, it's pretty hard to get
caught painting stencils.
798
00:41:59,586 --> 00:42:01,104
Everyone can understand them.
799
00:42:01,139 --> 00:42:04,107
They're not this dense tagging.
800
00:42:04,142 --> 00:42:06,420
You see them, you
click immediately.
801
00:42:08,008 --> 00:42:10,389
It's the time that you
spend in your studio
802
00:42:10,424 --> 00:42:14,773
thinking of the idea and
doing the preparation
803
00:42:16,257 --> 00:42:20,883
is why I think it's slightly
better than graffiti.
804
00:42:23,402 --> 00:42:27,199
I think stencils
initially were met with
805
00:42:27,234 --> 00:42:28,580
quite a lot of derision.
806
00:42:28,615 --> 00:42:30,548
They weren't taken
very seriously.
807
00:42:31,963 --> 00:42:34,034
A graffiti artist would never
be caught dead doing that.
808
00:42:34,068 --> 00:42:37,037
That's the main difference, is
we would never do that shit.
809
00:42:38,763 --> 00:42:40,109
Traditional
graffiti artists
810
00:42:40,143 --> 00:42:42,594
have a lot of rules that
they like to stick to.
811
00:42:42,629 --> 00:42:44,009
And good luck to them.
812
00:42:44,044 --> 00:42:45,597
But I didn't become
a graffiti artist
813
00:42:45,632 --> 00:42:48,048
so I could have other
people tell me what to do.
814
00:42:49,428 --> 00:42:51,154
If you're gonna do graffiti,
815
00:42:51,189 --> 00:42:53,018
you've gotta steal
your spray paint,
816
00:42:53,053 --> 00:42:55,918
and you've gotta paint trains,
and you've gotta tag stuff.
817
00:42:57,367 --> 00:42:58,852
You know, if you
want to sit there
818
00:42:58,886 --> 00:43:01,579
in your stagnating graffiti,
819
00:43:01,613 --> 00:43:04,443
it has to be like this,
well, then poor you.
820
00:43:05,583 --> 00:43:08,827
Because everything
evolves and moves on.
821
00:43:21,806 --> 00:43:24,671
For graffiti,
that evolution dates back
822
00:43:24,705 --> 00:43:26,673
to the very early
days of New York.
823
00:43:28,053 --> 00:43:29,952
At the time that the
hardcore graffiti writers
824
00:43:29,986 --> 00:43:32,782
were bombing trains, work
appeared on the streets
825
00:43:32,817 --> 00:43:35,129
and in the subway
stations that shadowed
826
00:43:35,164 --> 00:43:37,718
the underground culture
of tags and pieces
827
00:43:37,753 --> 00:43:40,307
but was recognizably different.
828
00:43:40,341 --> 00:43:42,412
Together with his
friend, Al Diaz,
829
00:43:42,447 --> 00:43:45,277
a young artist named
Jean-Michel Basquiat
830
00:43:45,312 --> 00:43:48,556
toured lower Manhattan,
writing the tag SAMO,
831
00:43:48,591 --> 00:43:51,283
an abbreviation of
"same old shit",
832
00:43:51,318 --> 00:43:55,253
accompanied by thought-provokingslogans and epigrams.
833
00:43:55,287 --> 00:43:57,565
Another young
artist, Keith Haring,
834
00:43:57,600 --> 00:43:59,291
was tracking the SAMO pieces
835
00:43:59,326 --> 00:44:02,847
while developing his own
form of illegal public art,
836
00:44:02,881 --> 00:44:05,608
drawing chalk outlines
of figures and characters
837
00:44:05,643 --> 00:44:08,922
on vacant advertising boards
in the New York subway
838
00:44:08,956 --> 00:44:12,615
and attaching mock headlines
to lampposts around Manhattan.
839
00:44:14,513 --> 00:44:17,862
Basquiat and Keith
Haring were really
840
00:44:17,896 --> 00:44:21,797
the beginning of street
art, modern street art,
841
00:44:21,831 --> 00:44:25,145
as we understand it, in
that it was taking the tools
842
00:44:25,179 --> 00:44:29,908
and the philosophy, the kind
of ethos behind graffiti
843
00:44:29,943 --> 00:44:32,255
but stepping to
one side with it.
844
00:44:32,290 --> 00:44:35,811
Statements that have more to
do with newspaper headlines
845
00:44:35,845 --> 00:44:38,848
or the kind of posters you'd
see outside a church, say.
846
00:44:38,883 --> 00:44:40,608
Looking at the ideas
of public space
847
00:44:40,643 --> 00:44:43,715
and how one could create art
848
00:44:43,750 --> 00:44:45,475
that would be seen
by a mass audience
849
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:49,238
rather an elitist audience was
kind of the key difference.
850
00:44:51,619 --> 00:44:55,831
Banksy's well aware of the
history of the art form
851
00:44:55,865 --> 00:44:58,109
and those kind of key
players at key moments.
852
00:45:01,008 --> 00:45:03,079
And for Banksy,
there was no influence
853
00:45:03,114 --> 00:45:06,945
more important than the French
stencil artist Blek le Rat.
854
00:45:07,981 --> 00:45:10,190
Blek, who had first
encountered graffiti
855
00:45:10,224 --> 00:45:13,711
during a trip to New York,
adapted the idea of street art
856
00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:15,057
to the European tradition
857
00:45:15,091 --> 00:45:17,576
of stenciling political
statements on walls.
858
00:45:18,923 --> 00:45:20,821
His project, to bring
socially-conscious
859
00:45:20,856 --> 00:45:22,029
art to the public,
860
00:45:22,064 --> 00:45:26,551
began in 1981, when stencils
of rats started to appear
861
00:45:26,585 --> 00:45:28,035
in the streets of Paris.
862
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:34,559
Blek le Rat's signature
wasn't Blek le Rat.
863
00:45:34,593 --> 00:45:35,836
It was the rat.
864
00:45:37,873 --> 00:45:40,013
Rats everywhere,
like running around.
865
00:45:40,047 --> 00:45:42,360
And you would see multiple
rats on the walls.
866
00:45:42,394 --> 00:45:45,881
He was also painting
homeless people on walls.
867
00:45:45,915 --> 00:45:49,954
And so, he basically was an
artist that had a message.
868
00:45:49,988 --> 00:45:51,956
His message was:
look at these things
869
00:45:51,990 --> 00:45:53,612
that are wrong in the city.
870
00:45:53,647 --> 00:45:55,028
Look at the homeless population.
871
00:45:55,062 --> 00:45:56,236
There's something wrong
872
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:58,238
that there's so many
homeless people.
873
00:45:58,272 --> 00:45:59,895
They're invisible to us.
874
00:45:59,929 --> 00:46:01,655
I'm gonna make them more visible
875
00:46:01,689 --> 00:46:03,622
by painting them on
the walls, right?
876
00:46:04,831 --> 00:46:08,213
High art concept,
low art technology.
877
00:46:09,387 --> 00:46:13,046
Whereas the graffiti artist
may be the other way around,
878
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:14,633
where it's definitely
about, say,
879
00:46:14,668 --> 00:46:17,015
this technical skill
with the spray can,
880
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:19,397
that kind of thing,
these intricate letters,
881
00:46:19,431 --> 00:46:23,677
which is great and fantastic,
but who are you speaking to,
882
00:46:23,711 --> 00:46:25,990
and ultimately what is
the goal at the end?
883
00:46:27,163 --> 00:46:29,476
But if the goal at the
end is I really want to,
884
00:46:29,510 --> 00:46:32,030
say, change the world,
like I want to deal
885
00:46:32,065 --> 00:46:34,722
with these bigger,
headier concepts,
886
00:46:34,757 --> 00:46:37,311
and that's where Banksy
changed the game.
887
00:46:39,210 --> 00:46:42,351
He's taken the best of all
these different worlds:
888
00:46:42,385 --> 00:46:45,043
the graffiti world and how
he operates on the street,
889
00:46:45,078 --> 00:46:48,322
the stencil world in what
he creates as an image,
890
00:46:48,357 --> 00:46:51,981
and sort of this social
activist point of view.
891
00:46:52,016 --> 00:46:55,088
Three different, say,
personality types
892
00:46:55,122 --> 00:46:57,159
packaged into one person.
893
00:46:57,193 --> 00:47:00,334
You have a really
high-profile art terrorist
894
00:47:00,369 --> 00:47:01,473
on your hands, right?
895
00:47:02,889 --> 00:47:05,753
In the mid-'90s,
a British television program,
896
00:47:05,788 --> 00:47:09,550
Shadow People, captured
a young Banksy at work.
897
00:47:09,585 --> 00:47:12,174
The program provides
a fascinating insight
898
00:47:12,208 --> 00:47:14,348
into how Banksy was
painting around Bristol
899
00:47:14,383 --> 00:47:16,557
in the wake of
Operation Anderson
900
00:47:16,592 --> 00:47:19,491
and how he viewed
himself as an artist.
901
00:47:19,526 --> 00:47:22,632
The footage also
showed that, by 1995,
902
00:47:22,667 --> 00:47:25,325
stenciling, rather
than freehand painting,
903
00:47:25,359 --> 00:47:27,258
had become central to his art.
904
00:47:30,088 --> 00:47:30,986
Yeah, I've decided that
905
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:33,057
I don't ever want to
do a gallery show.
906
00:47:33,091 --> 00:47:35,887
Like a proper gallery show.
907
00:47:37,061 --> 00:47:38,614
You know, if somebody came to
me with a lot of money,
908
00:47:38,648 --> 00:47:39,822
I'd tell him to fuck off.
909
00:47:40,927 --> 00:47:44,240
And I don't feel the
need to go to a gallery
910
00:47:44,275 --> 00:47:45,966
to make my art
feel legitimate.
911
00:47:46,898 --> 00:47:48,658
And yet, if I go to the
pub and somebody says
912
00:47:48,693 --> 00:47:50,868
that they like what
I've just done,
913
00:47:52,041 --> 00:47:55,286
and I might get a beer,
or I might meet a girl
914
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:58,013
that likes what I do,
then that's enough.
915
00:48:01,775 --> 00:48:03,328
By the
close of the '90s,
916
00:48:03,363 --> 00:48:05,123
Banksy had become
an important figure
917
00:48:05,158 --> 00:48:07,125
on the Bristol art scene.
918
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,334
Together with the
graffiti artist Inkie,
919
00:48:09,369 --> 00:48:12,544
he organized Walls on
Fire, a landmark event
920
00:48:12,579 --> 00:48:15,547
supported by the city,
in which street artists
921
00:48:15,582 --> 00:48:18,757
legally painted over
400 meters of hoardings
922
00:48:18,792 --> 00:48:22,451
in Bristol Harbor, while sound
systems pumped out hip hop.
923
00:48:26,041 --> 00:48:29,907
A few months later, Banksy
painted The Mild Mild West,
924
00:48:29,941 --> 00:48:32,564
his first large-scale
mural on the side
925
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:35,740
of an abandoned building
in the Stokes Croft area.
926
00:48:35,774 --> 00:48:38,260
The mural soon became
an iconic monument
927
00:48:38,294 --> 00:48:40,469
to Bristol's local culture.
928
00:48:40,503 --> 00:48:44,645
I've always seen it as being
a welcome to Bristol sign.
929
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,822
It's actually a reference
to a particular party
930
00:48:48,856 --> 00:48:51,411
which was broken
up by the police,
931
00:48:51,445 --> 00:48:54,069
and it's Banksy's
protest, if you like,
932
00:48:54,103 --> 00:48:58,832
against the police
taking on the rave scene.
933
00:48:58,866 --> 00:49:01,973
We might be peace-loving,
we might just be after
934
00:49:02,008 --> 00:49:03,906
a good time, we
might be just trying
935
00:49:03,941 --> 00:49:06,046
to do our own things, but
don't push us too far.
936
00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:08,704
It kind of distilled
his aesthetic.
937
00:49:08,738 --> 00:49:10,361
Though it was painted freehand,
938
00:49:10,395 --> 00:49:13,226
Banksy stenciled his
name along the bottom.
939
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:16,091
If you take Walls on
Fire as a comparison,
940
00:49:16,125 --> 00:49:17,782
he was still
painting traditional
941
00:49:17,816 --> 00:49:19,853
mural graffiti up to that point.
942
00:49:19,887 --> 00:49:21,717
The Mild Mild West
made it very clear
943
00:49:21,751 --> 00:49:23,236
where he was going from there.
944
00:49:24,651 --> 00:49:26,204
Banksy's
direction of travel
945
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,862
was away from Graffiti
and towards a career
946
00:49:28,896 --> 00:49:31,796
as a new type of
contemporary artist.
947
00:49:31,830 --> 00:49:34,454
In 2000, he graduated
from the streets
948
00:49:34,488 --> 00:49:37,215
with a small exhibition at
the Severnshed Restaurant
949
00:49:37,250 --> 00:49:38,872
in Bristol.
950
00:49:38,906 --> 00:49:41,012
The show, with its
canvasses painted
951
00:49:41,047 --> 00:49:42,841
by an infamous local vandal,
952
00:49:42,876 --> 00:49:46,190
attracted the attention of
both public and media alike.
953
00:49:47,812 --> 00:49:49,020
Excuse me, madam.
954
00:49:49,055 --> 00:49:50,849
You see this bit of graffiti
here with the two rats there
955
00:49:50,884 --> 00:49:52,334
and the rat up there
with the fellow?
956
00:49:52,368 --> 00:49:53,576
What do you think of it?
957
00:49:53,611 --> 00:49:54,992
I think
it's most strange.
958
00:49:55,026 --> 00:49:56,579
Can I just
introduce to the man
959
00:49:56,614 --> 00:49:57,546
who actually sprayed that thing?
960
00:49:57,580 --> 00:49:59,065
Would you call him a vandal?
961
00:49:59,099 --> 00:50:02,033
Well, I suppose you
are being a vandal, really.
962
00:50:02,930 --> 00:50:04,415
Graffiti had taken Banksy
963
00:50:04,449 --> 00:50:08,039
to cities across Britain as
the original street outlaw.
964
00:50:08,074 --> 00:50:09,765
But recently, he's
moved to London,
965
00:50:09,799 --> 00:50:11,905
started accepting commissions,
966
00:50:11,939 --> 00:50:14,804
and is now holding a
conventional exhibition.
967
00:50:14,839 --> 00:50:15,840
Well, I'm
kind of old-fashioned,
968
00:50:15,874 --> 00:50:17,531
in that I like to eat.
969
00:50:17,566 --> 00:50:18,774
So it's always
good to earn money.
970
00:50:18,808 --> 00:50:21,432
And also, I'm trying
to make canvasses work
971
00:50:21,466 --> 00:50:22,433
better than graffiti can work,
972
00:50:22,467 --> 00:50:24,400
'cause you can take time on it.
973
00:50:24,435 --> 00:50:26,057
Graffiti doesn't always come
out the way you like it,
974
00:50:26,092 --> 00:50:29,129
'cause you're rushing,
your panicking or whatever.
975
00:50:29,164 --> 00:50:31,062
Every artist
has to develop,
976
00:50:31,097 --> 00:50:34,341
and it's time for Banksy
to face new challenges.
977
00:50:34,445 --> 00:50:37,482
That show really caught
people's imagination.
978
00:50:37,517 --> 00:50:39,277
People who didn't know his
work went there and thought,
979
00:50:39,312 --> 00:50:41,245
"wow, this art talks to me.
980
00:50:41,279 --> 00:50:43,626
"It's radical, it's
clever, it's witty,
981
00:50:43,661 --> 00:50:46,802
"it's got a political
point, it's well-executed."
982
00:50:46,836 --> 00:50:49,356
I know several people
who bought pieces there
983
00:50:49,391 --> 00:50:53,084
who said it was the first time
they'd every bought any art.
984
00:50:55,293 --> 00:50:56,812
Though
exhibiting in galleries
985
00:50:56,846 --> 00:50:58,400
and working on commission,
986
00:50:58,434 --> 00:51:01,196
Banksy remained active
as an illegal artist.
987
00:51:02,956 --> 00:51:06,063
His street work no longerbelonged to the graffiti scene,
988
00:51:06,097 --> 00:51:07,719
but neither was he associated
989
00:51:07,754 --> 00:51:09,342
with the contemporary art world.
990
00:51:10,998 --> 00:51:13,415
Instead, Banksy was
part of a new group
991
00:51:13,449 --> 00:51:17,074
of post-graffiti artists
who, like Basquiat,
992
00:51:17,108 --> 00:51:19,662
Keith Haring, and Blek
le Rat before them,
993
00:51:19,697 --> 00:51:23,770
were experimenting with newforms of unauthorized urban art.
994
00:51:26,773 --> 00:51:29,189
I thought graffiti was
gonna change the art world,
995
00:51:29,224 --> 00:51:32,296
shake everything up,
and it didn't do that.
996
00:51:32,330 --> 00:51:35,851
It just stayed
relatively underground.
997
00:51:37,266 --> 00:51:41,374
The most success that graffiti
had was working with brands.
998
00:51:41,408 --> 00:51:44,239
It didn't really make
it into art galleries.
999
00:51:44,273 --> 00:51:45,964
It wasn't picked
up by collectors.
1000
00:51:47,380 --> 00:51:50,072
And as I was becoming more
and more disillusioned
1001
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,557
with graffiti, this weird thing
1002
00:51:52,592 --> 00:51:54,352
called street art
started to happen.
1003
00:51:57,562 --> 00:52:00,151
Graffiti writers
reinvented themselves,
1004
00:52:00,186 --> 00:52:02,153
and you had people
like Cost and Revs
1005
00:52:02,188 --> 00:52:04,707
who started putting
wheat paste up everywhere
1006
00:52:04,742 --> 00:52:06,675
with all kinds of messaging.
1007
00:52:06,709 --> 00:52:07,986
And then you have the
emergence of people
1008
00:52:08,021 --> 00:52:10,679
like Shepard Fairey, who
also saw the potential
1009
00:52:10,713 --> 00:52:12,129
of just putting posters,
1010
00:52:12,163 --> 00:52:15,511
like rock club announcements
of punk announcements.
1011
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:20,930
All of a sudden, these little
rats started appearing.
1012
00:52:20,965 --> 00:52:23,036
And more people
were doing stickers
1013
00:52:23,070 --> 00:52:27,040
that weren't based around
a skateboard brand.
1014
00:52:28,593 --> 00:52:30,630
There was Shepard
Fairey, there was Bast,
1015
00:52:30,664 --> 00:52:34,634
there was Foul,
Banksy, Osgemeos.
1016
00:52:36,014 --> 00:52:40,191
People using an
opportunity in the street
1017
00:52:40,226 --> 00:52:42,331
and turning it into
their advantage.
1018
00:52:43,781 --> 00:52:46,508
You know, turning bollards
into like missiles.
1019
00:52:47,992 --> 00:52:49,511
And it sounds, like,
corny and shit,
1020
00:52:49,545 --> 00:52:51,340
but it was just
something different.
1021
00:52:53,618 --> 00:52:55,102
There was a bunch of
people around the world
1022
00:52:55,137 --> 00:52:58,140
that were doing something
that wasn't graffiti,
1023
00:52:58,175 --> 00:52:59,969
and at the time it
didn't have a name.
1024
00:53:11,464 --> 00:53:13,155
The nascent
street art movement
1025
00:53:13,190 --> 00:53:15,985
found a home in Shoreditch,
a rundown district
1026
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:19,575
in London's East End, where a
new underground was thriving.
1027
00:53:29,620 --> 00:53:32,588
It was a mixed place
where immigrants,
1028
00:53:32,623 --> 00:53:36,247
people without much
money all could mix.
1029
00:53:36,282 --> 00:53:40,251
This whole new street
scene began to move in.
1030
00:53:40,286 --> 00:53:44,842
Artists went there of all types,because the rent was cheap.
1031
00:53:46,982 --> 00:53:49,053
Banksy,
now living in London,
1032
00:53:49,087 --> 00:53:52,298
was a fixture at The Dragon,
a small bar tucked away
1033
00:53:52,332 --> 00:53:54,817
in a side street near
the Old Street Roundabout
1034
00:53:54,852 --> 00:53:57,026
that had become the
informal headquarters
1035
00:53:57,061 --> 00:53:58,614
of the street art community.
1036
00:54:00,202 --> 00:54:04,102
Dragon Bar was this
unique, weird place
1037
00:54:04,137 --> 00:54:06,553
that was run by a guy
called Justin Piggott,
1038
00:54:08,348 --> 00:54:10,074
who was an ex-junkie,
1039
00:54:11,834 --> 00:54:18,082
but into art, and it was modeledon like a Lower East Side,
1040
00:54:18,116 --> 00:54:21,188
kind of divey,
skateboardy, graffiti bar.
1041
00:54:22,293 --> 00:54:25,054
And at the back of the bar
they had this car park,
1042
00:54:25,089 --> 00:54:27,471
and we used to put
parties in that.
1043
00:54:27,505 --> 00:54:29,611
And because it was
just that little bit
1044
00:54:29,645 --> 00:54:34,650
out of the beaten track,
we'd keep it open all night.
1045
00:54:34,823 --> 00:54:37,274
We had a license to 11
o'clock, and we'd keep it--
1046
00:54:37,308 --> 00:54:39,828
I was serving booze until
three o'clock in the morning.
1047
00:54:39,862 --> 00:54:42,969
And I just became
this lawless weird zone.
1048
00:54:43,003 --> 00:54:47,387
It was just like a
free-wheeling kind of madness
1049
00:54:47,422 --> 00:54:50,045
where everybody knew each other.
1050
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,736
You had artists coming in.
1051
00:54:51,771 --> 00:54:56,776
You had Faile coming into
town, Bast, Invader, Shepard.
1052
00:54:57,328 --> 00:54:59,123
All these guys
congregated there,
1053
00:54:59,157 --> 00:55:00,987
and it was an epicenter, really,
1054
00:55:01,021 --> 00:55:02,506
of the beginning of the scene.
1055
00:55:03,955 --> 00:55:08,063
At that time, Shoreditch and
Tower Hamlets and Hackney,
1056
00:55:08,097 --> 00:55:10,652
they were the poorest
boroughs in London,
1057
00:55:10,686 --> 00:55:12,654
so you could do
stuff in the street
1058
00:55:12,688 --> 00:55:14,587
and it wouldn't get cleaned off.
1059
00:55:14,621 --> 00:55:16,071
And then it was
like the whole place
1060
00:55:16,105 --> 00:55:17,279
became a wall of fame.
1061
00:55:22,836 --> 00:55:25,529
Me and Banksy, we
painted all the posters
1062
00:55:25,563 --> 00:55:27,876
that used to go on
Shoreditch Bridge,
1063
00:55:27,910 --> 00:55:29,326
upstairs in the Dragon Bar.
1064
00:55:34,503 --> 00:55:37,437
We'd go there, we'd cut
stencils, make posters.
1065
00:55:38,783 --> 00:55:40,095
And then, two o'clock
in the morning,
1066
00:55:40,129 --> 00:55:41,924
when we were pissed
enough, go out
1067
00:55:41,959 --> 00:55:45,721
and jump over railway
bridges and paint stuff.
1068
00:55:50,243 --> 00:55:53,177
Armies of rats,
monkeys, and other images
1069
00:55:53,211 --> 00:55:55,490
started to appear
all over London,
1070
00:55:55,524 --> 00:55:57,354
a new type of visual language
1071
00:55:57,388 --> 00:56:00,011
that became part of the
fabric of the East End
1072
00:56:00,046 --> 00:56:01,944
and which locals
came to associate
1073
00:56:01,979 --> 00:56:04,153
with a single, mysterious name.
1074
00:56:05,292 --> 00:56:07,433
It's about
underground culture.
1075
00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:09,883
The things that come
up from the sewers.
1076
00:56:09,918 --> 00:56:11,540
Like most people,
I have a fantasy
1077
00:56:11,575 --> 00:56:15,302
that all the little powerless
losers will gang up together,
1078
00:56:15,337 --> 00:56:17,753
that all the vermin will
get some good equipment,
1079
00:56:17,788 --> 00:56:19,755
and then the underground
will go overground
1080
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:21,239
and tear this city apart.
1081
00:56:23,449 --> 00:56:24,622
They'd be like, "Oh yeah,
1082
00:56:24,657 --> 00:56:26,106
"I'm gonna go out
and paint some rats."
1083
00:56:26,141 --> 00:56:29,489
So, "Yeah, we'll come, look
out and help you paint."
1084
00:56:31,457 --> 00:56:32,803
It was just like, yeah,
get some cans of beer
1085
00:56:32,837 --> 00:56:34,736
from the fucking,
from the kebab shop,
1086
00:56:36,531 --> 00:56:38,740
and off on your bikes
and cycle around.
1087
00:56:38,774 --> 00:56:40,155
It was just fun.
1088
00:56:40,189 --> 00:56:44,021
It was like, really likeinnocent and naive and just fun.
1089
00:56:44,055 --> 00:56:46,195
We were literally
just having a laugh.
1090
00:56:46,230 --> 00:56:47,956
I don't think any,
maybe Banksy did,
1091
00:56:47,990 --> 00:56:50,372
maybe he had more of a
plan than the rest of us,
1092
00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:53,479
but I don't think any of
us thought really had like,
1093
00:56:53,513 --> 00:56:54,445
we were just doing it for fun.
1094
00:56:56,447 --> 00:57:00,451
It was a really interesting,
fun time that was nothing
1095
00:57:00,486 --> 00:57:04,973
to do with finance or how
much money things cost.
1096
00:57:05,007 --> 00:57:07,078
These guys were just doing
it for shits and giggles.
1097
00:57:07,113 --> 00:57:08,942
It was like, no one
at the time thought
1098
00:57:08,977 --> 00:57:11,082
they were ever gonna
make any money out of it.
1099
00:57:11,117 --> 00:57:12,774
They just had something to say.
1100
00:57:14,051 --> 00:57:16,294
It reminded me of graffiti.
1101
00:57:16,329 --> 00:57:18,331
We were running
round, stenciling,
1102
00:57:18,365 --> 00:57:20,437
climbing over bridges.
1103
00:57:20,471 --> 00:57:22,473
It wasn't about putting
your names up there.
1104
00:57:22,508 --> 00:57:24,717
It was about putting
your imagery up there.
1105
00:57:30,688 --> 00:57:33,242
It was an interesting
mix of Traveler,
1106
00:57:33,277 --> 00:57:36,487
anarchist, punk, politics,
1107
00:57:36,522 --> 00:57:40,284
combined with end-of-the-pier,
who were misses,
1108
00:57:40,318 --> 00:57:42,666
English seaside humor.
1109
00:57:42,700 --> 00:57:44,081
The jokes were easy to get,
1110
00:57:44,944 --> 00:57:47,705
and the imagery is
accessible and digestible.
1111
00:57:49,569 --> 00:57:52,676
Very palatable to
the everyday person
1112
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:55,126
to walk by and say, "Oh!
1113
00:57:56,265 --> 00:57:57,163
"Okay."
1114
00:57:59,855 --> 00:58:01,512
'Cause you don't
choose your audience
1115
00:58:01,547 --> 00:58:03,859
if you're putting
work on the street.
1116
00:58:03,894 --> 00:58:06,793
The work is talking to
people of all classes,
1117
00:58:06,828 --> 00:58:09,486
all creeds, all colors,
all religions, all ages.
1118
00:58:11,557 --> 00:58:14,145
It didn't make
people feel stupid.
1119
00:58:14,180 --> 00:58:18,218
The trouble with a lot of
art, galleries, museums,
1120
00:58:18,253 --> 00:58:19,703
I think it intimidates people.
1121
00:58:19,737 --> 00:58:21,877
And this was something
that was easy to get,
1122
00:58:21,912 --> 00:58:26,088
people could understand, and
felt that it belonged to them.
1123
00:58:26,123 --> 00:58:28,194
This is art where we're
not made to feel stupid.
1124
00:58:28,228 --> 00:58:30,403
For the first time,
I can like art.
1125
00:58:31,508 --> 00:58:35,442
It's that juxtaposition
of iconic imagery
1126
00:58:35,477 --> 00:58:38,204
that many times we
took for granted.
1127
00:58:38,238 --> 00:58:41,897
You put that over here,
gonna stay this about it,
1128
00:58:41,932 --> 00:58:43,174
and then it's like, okay,
1129
00:58:43,209 --> 00:58:46,315
now we almost have like
this tension-filled
1130
00:58:46,350 --> 00:58:48,559
conversation that you
just can't walk by.
1131
00:58:48,594 --> 00:58:49,871
Now you gotta stop.
1132
00:58:49,905 --> 00:58:51,355
Now you gotta think about it.
1133
00:58:51,389 --> 00:58:53,081
And you didn't
have to pay for it.
1134
00:58:54,876 --> 00:58:58,880
There are jokes always
like the sign saying
1135
00:58:58,914 --> 00:59:03,850
designated graffiti area,
or designated riot area.
1136
00:59:03,885 --> 00:59:05,887
It makes you laugh
and it makes you think
1137
00:59:05,921 --> 00:59:07,371
about the issue he's raised.
1138
00:59:09,373 --> 00:59:10,547
In Banksy's work, there's a lot
1139
00:59:10,581 --> 00:59:12,583
of imagery related to innocence.
1140
00:59:12,618 --> 00:59:16,380
There's often children,
there's often nature,
1141
00:59:16,414 --> 00:59:19,763
animals, things that we
associate with people
1142
00:59:19,797 --> 00:59:22,075
or things that need
to be cared for.
1143
00:59:22,110 --> 00:59:24,353
Banksy has a pretty
wide repertoire
1144
00:59:24,388 --> 00:59:26,597
of recurring
figures in his work.
1145
00:59:26,632 --> 00:59:27,702
The mice.
1146
00:59:28,634 --> 00:59:32,051
They're typically engaged
in some weird high jinks.
1147
00:59:34,432 --> 00:59:36,607
Apes also frequently appear.
1148
00:59:36,642 --> 00:59:40,266
They're often shown
to be kind of smarter,
1149
00:59:40,300 --> 00:59:41,957
more interesting than humans
1150
00:59:41,992 --> 00:59:43,856
that they will
probably take over
1151
00:59:43,890 --> 00:59:45,340
once we've finished screwing up
1152
00:59:45,374 --> 00:59:47,135
the whole world
and destroying it.
1153
00:59:48,619 --> 00:59:52,312
The kids, I think, show the
precociousness that exists,
1154
00:59:52,347 --> 00:59:55,419
the joy that exists,
the sort of naivete,
1155
00:59:55,453 --> 00:59:59,768
the fun that can still
exist in the world,
1156
00:59:59,803 --> 01:00:02,633
and how children
sometimes are oblivious
1157
01:00:02,668 --> 01:00:05,463
or even smarter than the adults.
1158
01:00:05,498 --> 01:00:07,776
They're a very important
piece to his work
1159
01:00:07,811 --> 01:00:09,847
and really communicate
really strong messages
1160
01:00:09,882 --> 01:00:12,470
about where we are as a society.
1161
01:00:14,852 --> 01:00:16,716
Then policemen often appear too.
1162
01:00:16,751 --> 01:00:19,236
They're shown as
figures of authority
1163
01:00:19,270 --> 01:00:21,341
who should be questioned.
1164
01:00:21,376 --> 01:00:24,586
But they're also
shown sympathetically,
1165
01:00:24,621 --> 01:00:26,795
people who are in
roles of authority
1166
01:00:26,830 --> 01:00:29,867
that sometimes they
feel a conflict with.
1167
01:00:29,902 --> 01:00:32,939
I'm thinking also of the
two policemen kissing
1168
01:00:32,974 --> 01:00:36,805
and that being something
to think about policemen
1169
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,394
in a different way, maybe,
than we sometimes do.
1170
01:00:40,395 --> 01:00:45,262
He is wanting to uphold
the beauty and power
1171
01:00:46,263 --> 01:00:49,646
and selfhood of the
everyday person,
1172
01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,821
in contrast to
institutional systems
1173
01:00:52,856 --> 01:00:56,998
that are weighing things
down and controlling things.
1174
01:01:06,386 --> 01:01:08,561
The street art
scene arrived at a time
1175
01:01:08,595 --> 01:01:10,597
when the established
contemporary art world
1176
01:01:10,632 --> 01:01:13,393
had, to some extent,
lost its way.
1177
01:01:13,428 --> 01:01:16,949
British art and culture had
thrived during the '90s.
1178
01:01:16,983 --> 01:01:19,192
The conservative
government of the poll tax
1179
01:01:19,227 --> 01:01:21,919
and the Criminal Justice
Act had been swept away
1180
01:01:21,954 --> 01:01:25,509
by the wave of optimism that
carried Tony Blair into office
1181
01:01:25,543 --> 01:01:28,201
and the phrase "cool
Britannia" was coined
1182
01:01:28,236 --> 01:01:29,755
to capture the sense of pride
1183
01:01:29,789 --> 01:01:33,517
in British culture,
music, film, and fashion.
1184
01:01:34,725 --> 01:01:35,692
-Oh my God!
1185
01:01:37,417 --> 01:01:39,661
It was all happening in Britain.
1186
01:01:39,696 --> 01:01:41,421
There was a new sprit,
a new confidence,
1187
01:01:41,456 --> 01:01:42,733
and youthful energy.
1188
01:01:48,946 --> 01:01:50,223
Britain was swinging again.
1189
01:01:51,742 --> 01:01:54,469
Almost like a replay of
the '60s, go-getting,
1190
01:01:54,503 --> 01:01:56,333
like we're gonna
take over the world.
1191
01:01:58,715 --> 01:02:00,268
The
contemporary art scene
1192
01:02:00,302 --> 01:02:03,512
was dominated by the so-called
Young British Artists,
1193
01:02:03,547 --> 01:02:07,137
or YBAs, a loose grouping
of insurgent artists
1194
01:02:07,171 --> 01:02:09,933
led by Damien Hirst
and celebrated
1195
01:02:09,967 --> 01:02:12,521
as daring and
rebellious iconoclasts.
1196
01:02:13,453 --> 01:02:17,872
But by the early 2000s, coolBritannia had burned itself out
1197
01:02:17,906 --> 01:02:20,288
and the YBA's luster had faded.
1198
01:02:20,322 --> 01:02:22,221
Big money had moved in.
1199
01:02:22,255 --> 01:02:25,051
And for many, it was hard
to escape the feeling
1200
01:02:25,086 --> 01:02:27,329
that normal service
had been resumed.
1201
01:02:28,779 --> 01:02:30,229
$1.6 million.
1202
01:02:30,263 --> 01:02:32,265
The art world
is the biggest joke going.
1203
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,509
It's a rest home for
the over privileged,
1204
01:02:34,543 --> 01:02:36,511
the pretentious, and the weak.
1205
01:02:36,545 --> 01:02:38,789
And modern art is a disgrace.
1206
01:02:38,824 --> 01:02:41,792
Never had so many people
used so much stuff
1207
01:02:41,827 --> 01:02:44,519
and taken so long
to say so little.
1208
01:02:44,553 --> 01:02:47,039
Still, the plus side
is it's probably
1209
01:02:47,073 --> 01:02:48,592
the easiest business
in the world
1210
01:02:48,626 --> 01:02:51,906
to walk into with no talent
and make a few bucks.
1211
01:02:53,355 --> 01:02:56,842
The Young British Artists
had become the establishment.
1212
01:02:56,876 --> 01:02:59,396
Hirst started off
as a revolutionary.
1213
01:02:59,430 --> 01:03:01,708
He was now the establishment.
1214
01:03:01,743 --> 01:03:04,056
Damien, Sarah,
and Angus all showed together
1215
01:03:04,090 --> 01:03:07,611
in a seminal show in
1988 called Freeze.
1216
01:03:07,645 --> 01:03:10,303
16 years later, they're
exhibiting together,
1217
01:03:10,338 --> 01:03:13,686
but at Tate Britain rather
than in a warehouse.
1218
01:03:14,860 --> 01:03:17,207
We're no longer
YBAs, we're OAPs.
1219
01:03:18,898 --> 01:03:22,799
Art had become glamorous,
become fashionable.
1220
01:03:22,833 --> 01:03:25,663
Charles Saatchi's
gallery made it
1221
01:03:25,698 --> 01:03:28,735
into an important source
of money for artists.
1222
01:03:28,770 --> 01:03:30,910
And something had
to crack in this,
1223
01:03:30,945 --> 01:03:34,811
because this is not what art
is supposed to be all about.
1224
01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:38,745
And what came out from
it was street art.
1225
01:03:39,470 --> 01:03:41,852
Street art was
always really good
1226
01:03:41,887 --> 01:03:44,234
at being the little
cheeky chappy
1227
01:03:44,268 --> 01:03:46,823
doing that little
thing behind your back.
1228
01:03:46,857 --> 01:03:48,065
Oh, that's kinda funny.
1229
01:03:48,100 --> 01:03:51,241
Oh, he's having a pop
at the government.
1230
01:03:51,275 --> 01:03:53,450
Your older brother
was into Damien Hirst
1231
01:03:53,484 --> 01:03:57,557
and your younger brother
who's nicking pills
1232
01:03:57,592 --> 01:03:59,697
and going raving is into Banksy.
1233
01:04:00,595 --> 01:04:02,459
The art world
completely ignored it
1234
01:04:02,493 --> 01:04:04,875
because it's a
populist art form.
1235
01:04:04,910 --> 01:04:06,946
And I think the art
world hate that.
1236
01:04:06,981 --> 01:04:08,534
Populism isn't a bad thing.
1237
01:04:08,568 --> 01:04:11,640
It doesn't mean something
that's crass and shit.
1238
01:04:11,675 --> 01:04:14,920
Sometimes it just means
that people like it.
1239
01:04:16,059 --> 01:04:19,994
This was like a movement
that became powerful
1240
01:04:20,028 --> 01:04:23,169
through the people,
not through museum's
1241
01:04:23,204 --> 01:04:24,999
and galleries and curators.
1242
01:04:25,033 --> 01:04:28,416
This was driven by a
general love of the art form
1243
01:04:28,450 --> 01:04:30,383
by the general population.
1244
01:04:32,109 --> 01:04:33,731
I'm
frustrated by many things,
1245
01:04:33,766 --> 01:04:34,940
but trying to get accepted
1246
01:04:34,974 --> 01:04:36,942
by the art world
isn't one of them.
1247
01:04:36,976 --> 01:04:39,945
This seems difficult for
people to understand.
1248
01:04:39,979 --> 01:04:41,912
You do not paint
graffiti in the vain hope
1249
01:04:41,947 --> 01:04:44,466
that one day some big fat
Tory will discover you
1250
01:04:44,501 --> 01:04:46,192
and put your
pictures on his wall.
1251
01:04:47,435 --> 01:04:49,195
If you draw on walls in public,
1252
01:04:49,230 --> 01:04:51,680
then you are already
operating on a higher level.
1253
01:04:52,889 --> 01:04:54,891
But whereas
the YBAs had benefited
1254
01:04:54,925 --> 01:04:58,653
from studios, galleries,
grants and patrons,
1255
01:04:58,687 --> 01:05:01,207
London's street artists
had few resources
1256
01:05:01,242 --> 01:05:04,348
beyond the beer-stained
floor of the Dragon Bar.
1257
01:05:04,383 --> 01:05:06,661
For Banksy, a friendship
that he had formed
1258
01:05:06,695 --> 01:05:09,940
with photographer and fellow
Bristolian Steve Lazerides
1259
01:05:09,975 --> 01:05:12,425
soon became key to
promoting his art.
1260
01:05:13,910 --> 01:05:18,466
Steve Lazerides was vital to
Banksy's career for a time.
1261
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:22,780
What they did was show that
you didn't have to have
1262
01:05:22,815 --> 01:05:25,231
a gallery, be
attached to a gallery,
1263
01:05:25,266 --> 01:05:28,614
to be a well-known,
successful artist.
1264
01:05:28,648 --> 01:05:30,892
They could make
their own gallery.
1265
01:05:30,927 --> 01:05:34,965
They could attract people
to it through various means
1266
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:37,864
that Lazarides was
absolutely king at.
1267
01:05:38,451 --> 01:05:41,799
What Lazarides did with
Banksy was to establish
1268
01:05:41,834 --> 01:05:44,906
a new way of getting
art to the public.
1269
01:05:46,494 --> 01:05:48,772
The do-it-yourself
ethos of the graffiti
1270
01:05:48,806 --> 01:05:50,774
and free party
scenes carried over
1271
01:05:50,808 --> 01:05:52,707
to the project of
building a system
1272
01:05:52,741 --> 01:05:55,710
for the sale and
exhibition of street art.
1273
01:05:55,744 --> 01:05:59,300
One of the first installments
came in the winter of 2002,
1274
01:05:59,334 --> 01:06:03,028
with Santa's Ghetto, an
exhibition of work by Banksy
1275
01:06:03,062 --> 01:06:06,963
and Ben Eine that went on
to become an annual event.
1276
01:06:06,997 --> 01:06:10,863
We'd been painting stuff
on the street, and ...
1277
01:06:12,106 --> 01:06:14,280
I think some of us had websites,
1278
01:06:14,315 --> 01:06:17,870
so we were aware of
an interest in people
1279
01:06:17,904 --> 01:06:21,908
that wanted to consume or
buy what we were doing,
1280
01:06:21,943 --> 01:06:23,393
but we didn't really
have anything for sale
1281
01:06:23,427 --> 01:06:25,567
or a way of selling it.
1282
01:06:25,602 --> 01:06:28,846
So, we did a Santa's
Ghetto party.
1283
01:06:28,881 --> 01:06:32,264
And yeah, the first one was
upstairs at The Dragon Bar.
1284
01:06:32,298 --> 01:06:35,025
A friend our ours,
Marcus, was the drunk,
1285
01:06:35,060 --> 01:06:37,959
horrible, stinky
Santa in the corner.
1286
01:06:39,064 --> 01:06:41,998
And yeah, we sold everything
for Like 50 quid or something.
1287
01:06:43,551 --> 01:06:46,174
It was completely anarchic.
1288
01:06:46,209 --> 01:06:47,934
I was walking
through Shoreditch,
1289
01:06:47,969 --> 01:06:52,629
from the offices to the
Dragon Bar with like handfuls
1290
01:06:52,663 --> 01:06:54,838
of Banksy prints that
would now be worth
1291
01:06:54,872 --> 01:06:57,634
millions of pounds, just
taking 'em up there.
1292
01:06:57,668 --> 01:06:59,394
And yeah, I kind of
ran it and sold it,
1293
01:06:59,429 --> 01:07:01,258
and it was completely mental.
1294
01:07:02,432 --> 01:07:04,606
Take over a building
and don't turn it
1295
01:07:04,641 --> 01:07:06,332
into an art gallery.
1296
01:07:06,367 --> 01:07:10,681
You know, just anti-art
gallery, anti-establishment,
1297
01:07:10,716 --> 01:07:13,236
and yeah, going back to
that punk kind of ethic.
1298
01:07:14,409 --> 01:07:17,067
We were selling the
multiple canvases.
1299
01:07:17,102 --> 01:07:19,552
So, at the time,
they cost 250 quid.
1300
01:07:19,587 --> 01:07:23,246
So, Girl and Balloon was
250 pound for a canvas.
1301
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:29,045
And he painted them all in
the upstairs of where we were.
1302
01:07:29,493 --> 01:07:31,668
So we had like 25
canvasses laid out.
1303
01:07:31,702 --> 01:07:34,774
As he was spraying them,
I was numbering them,
1304
01:07:34,809 --> 01:07:36,845
then he'd sign them, and
then we'd take 'em downstairs
1305
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,744
and sell 'em as were going out.
1306
01:07:38,778 --> 01:07:42,506
And that was the whole idea,
really, in those early days,
1307
01:07:42,541 --> 01:07:46,959
was to make, again,
affordable art for people.
1308
01:07:46,993 --> 01:07:47,925
And public interest
1309
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,100
in the movement was soaring.
1310
01:07:50,135 --> 01:07:52,654
Work that in earlier
times might have been seen
1311
01:07:52,689 --> 01:07:55,864
by only a handful of people
who passed it on the street
1312
01:07:55,899 --> 01:07:58,419
could now be preserved
and shared online,
1313
01:07:58,453 --> 01:08:01,111
greatly enhancing the
profile of the artist.
1314
01:08:02,250 --> 01:08:04,010
Banksy was clearly emerging
1315
01:08:04,045 --> 01:08:06,668
as the most prominent
of the street artists.
1316
01:08:06,703 --> 01:08:08,636
At a time when youth
culture was turning
1317
01:08:08,670 --> 01:08:11,017
its face against
governments on both side
1318
01:08:11,052 --> 01:08:13,779
of the Atlantic and
protesting the war on terror
1319
01:08:13,813 --> 01:08:16,678
and invasion of Iraq,
Banksy's antiwar,
1320
01:08:16,713 --> 01:08:20,751
anti-authority agitprop
chimed with the popular mood.
1321
01:08:22,132 --> 01:08:25,446
The war was very important
to Banksy's development.
1322
01:08:25,480 --> 01:08:27,586
The no war or wrong war arts
1323
01:08:27,620 --> 01:08:30,071
very much came from that period.
1324
01:08:30,106 --> 01:08:33,385
It was a perception that
New Labour and Tony Blair
1325
01:08:33,419 --> 01:08:38,010
had let down the generation,
the post-Thatcher generation,
1326
01:08:38,044 --> 01:08:40,392
the same people running society.
1327
01:08:40,426 --> 01:08:42,428
And Banksy and his generation
1328
01:08:42,463 --> 01:08:44,844
I think very much
came out of that.
1329
01:08:44,879 --> 01:08:46,467
There's a real distrust.
1330
01:08:49,090 --> 01:08:51,057
I think you could see
a lot of the spirit
1331
01:08:51,092 --> 01:08:52,990
of that '80s and '90s
underground scene
1332
01:08:53,025 --> 01:08:56,166
in a lot of his earlier
political work, definitely.
1333
01:08:56,201 --> 01:08:58,720
And that's finally
what struck a chord
1334
01:08:58,755 --> 01:09:01,275
with the vast majority
of the British public
1335
01:09:01,309 --> 01:09:07,557
who tapped into the Banksy
phenomenon, was that spirit.
1336
01:09:08,834 --> 01:09:11,492
He was able to articulate
a lot of things
1337
01:09:11,526 --> 01:09:14,702
that people were
thinking but not having
1338
01:09:14,736 --> 01:09:17,291
the same wherewithal
or the tools,
1339
01:09:17,325 --> 01:09:20,880
or the ingenuity to
say this is what it is.
1340
01:09:24,574 --> 01:09:26,679
In the
summer of 2003,
1341
01:09:26,714 --> 01:09:30,683
Banksy staged his breakthrough
exhibition, Turf War,
1342
01:09:30,718 --> 01:09:33,307
a collection of his
street work, sculpture,
1343
01:09:33,341 --> 01:09:35,757
and vandalized live
animals, some of which
1344
01:09:35,792 --> 01:09:38,381
were painted in homage
to graffiti folklore.
1345
01:09:39,968 --> 01:09:41,729
Cattle,
pigs, and sheep
1346
01:09:41,763 --> 01:09:44,663
are the latest raw
material for this man.
1347
01:09:44,697 --> 01:09:48,253
He calls himself Banksy, but
that's not his real name.
1348
01:09:48,287 --> 01:09:50,186
He's a graffiti artist,
1349
01:09:50,220 --> 01:09:53,741
and he believes that
anonymity is essential.
1350
01:09:53,775 --> 01:09:56,813
I'm disguised
because you can't ...
1351
01:09:58,263 --> 01:10:01,438
You can't really be a graffiti
writer and then go public.
1352
01:10:02,646 --> 01:10:05,373
It's like the two things
don't quite go together.
1353
01:10:07,133 --> 01:10:09,757
The event caused
a sensation in London,
1354
01:10:09,791 --> 01:10:12,035
with celebrities
jostling to get in
1355
01:10:12,069 --> 01:10:13,933
and the media crowning Banksy
1356
01:10:13,968 --> 01:10:16,902
the UK's most feted
underground artist.
1357
01:10:17,937 --> 01:10:19,732
The Turf War show was hilarious.
1358
01:10:19,767 --> 01:10:23,978
It was like in this huge
squat up on Kingston Road.
1359
01:10:24,012 --> 01:10:25,151
And the thing with
Banksy is like,
1360
01:10:25,186 --> 01:10:26,739
even in those early shows,
1361
01:10:28,396 --> 01:10:30,743
wherever he did it,
in whatever period,
1362
01:10:30,778 --> 01:10:33,159
they were always
supremely well-attended.
1363
01:10:33,194 --> 01:10:35,334
It was just chaotic.
1364
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:39,165
There were queues outside,
1365
01:10:39,200 --> 01:10:42,755
models trying to get in,
everyone trying to get in.
1366
01:10:42,790 --> 01:10:44,757
And the RSPCA was tipped off
1367
01:10:44,792 --> 01:10:47,450
that he was being
cruel to animals.
1368
01:10:47,484 --> 01:10:50,073
Banksy
fears not the critics
1369
01:10:50,107 --> 01:10:52,765
but the inspector
from the RSPCA,
1370
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:56,321
who's come to see if the
animals are being maltreated.
1371
01:10:56,355 --> 01:11:00,221
The farmer from Somerset whoowns the animals has no qualms,
1372
01:11:00,256 --> 01:11:03,811
but will the animal
welfare man agree?
1373
01:11:03,845 --> 01:11:07,159
The artist and the
farmer have assured me
1374
01:11:07,193 --> 01:11:09,195
that they've been painted
1375
01:11:09,230 --> 01:11:13,924
using animal identification
sprays, which is non-toxic,
1376
01:11:13,959 --> 01:11:16,996
washes off very easily,
so there's gonna be
1377
01:11:17,031 --> 01:11:20,068
no harm done, even if
the animal licks itself.
1378
01:11:20,103 --> 01:11:21,863
It's hard to make
an entertaining picture
1379
01:11:21,898 --> 01:11:23,555
at the best of times,
but at least if you have
1380
01:11:23,589 --> 01:11:28,594
something that kind of wanders
around and licks its nose,
1381
01:11:29,215 --> 01:11:31,908
and urinates in front of
you, then it's gonna make
1382
01:11:31,942 --> 01:11:33,358
the picture a bit more
interesting, right?
1383
01:11:34,324 --> 01:11:36,395
Despite having a
proper exhibition like this,
1384
01:11:36,430 --> 01:11:39,812
Banksy insists he's
still a graffiti artist.
1385
01:11:40,675 --> 01:11:43,022
There are graffiti artists
trying to climb into the pound
1386
01:11:43,057 --> 01:11:45,370
to spray the cow, and
trying to explain to them
1387
01:11:45,404 --> 01:11:46,854
that it wasn't actually
spray paint on it;
1388
01:11:46,888 --> 01:11:48,545
it was animal dye.
1389
01:11:48,580 --> 01:11:52,446
And then we had a
animal rights protestor
1390
01:11:52,480 --> 01:11:55,863
that came up and chained
herself to the scaffolding.
1391
01:11:55,897 --> 01:11:57,520
What she didn't know,
that all we had to do
1392
01:11:57,554 --> 01:12:00,350
was kinda undo the thing
and slide her handcuffs off.
1393
01:12:00,385 --> 01:12:01,558
But we left her there all day,
1394
01:12:01,593 --> 01:12:03,457
'cause we thought
it was a good look.
1395
01:12:03,491 --> 01:12:05,838
We gave her some food and some
drink and everything else,
1396
01:12:05,873 --> 01:12:09,048
and then she quite politely,
at the end of the day,
1397
01:12:09,083 --> 01:12:10,636
kinda packed up and went off.
1398
01:12:11,672 --> 01:12:14,088
That was the one really
that kinda kicked off
1399
01:12:14,122 --> 01:12:18,851
that kinda big show mentality
with multiple things going on.
1400
01:12:20,232 --> 01:12:22,510
You had pigs, you had
sheep, you had cows,
1401
01:12:22,545 --> 01:12:25,410
you had two vans up
on top of each other,
1402
01:12:25,444 --> 01:12:27,343
in a squat in the
middle of nowhere.
1403
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:29,793
It was only on for three days,
1404
01:12:29,828 --> 01:12:32,037
and thousands of
people turned up.
1405
01:12:33,452 --> 01:12:36,524
This was the exhibition
that established him,
1406
01:12:36,559 --> 01:12:40,735
that meant that street
art was a phenomenon
1407
01:12:40,770 --> 01:12:42,461
that had to be recognized.
1408
01:12:43,428 --> 01:12:45,982
He just had like
this great vision
1409
01:12:46,016 --> 01:12:48,916
to be able to put on
shows that weren't
1410
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:51,263
in white-walled spaces
and to show people
1411
01:12:51,297 --> 01:12:53,852
that art could be viewed
in a different way.
1412
01:12:53,886 --> 01:12:56,406
And I think, yes, on
that level I think
1413
01:12:56,441 --> 01:12:59,651
he was one of the forerunners
to do those kind of shows.
1414
01:12:59,685 --> 01:13:01,722
But at that point in time
it wasn't even a movement.
1415
01:13:01,756 --> 01:13:05,553
It was just us running
around doing stuff.
1416
01:13:07,175 --> 01:13:08,522
That
was about to change
1417
01:13:08,556 --> 01:13:10,972
with the founding of
Pictures on Walls,
1418
01:13:11,007 --> 01:13:14,424
another step in there-imagining of the art economy.
1419
01:13:14,459 --> 01:13:18,497
A print house started by the
artist Jamie Hewlett, Banksy,
1420
01:13:18,532 --> 01:13:21,604
and Steve Lazerides, with
Ben Eine as the printer,
1421
01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:23,571
Pictures on Walls
aimed to bring together
1422
01:13:23,606 --> 01:13:25,987
street artists from
around the world
1423
01:13:26,022 --> 01:13:28,887
and make their work accessible
to the general public.
1424
01:13:29,750 --> 01:13:32,994
I went to pick Banksy
up from Bristol.
1425
01:13:33,926 --> 01:13:35,514
He diverted me.
1426
01:13:35,549 --> 01:13:37,447
We went to some print place
to pick up some prints.
1427
01:13:37,482 --> 01:13:41,451
So it was a stack of
Rude Copper prints.
1428
01:13:41,486 --> 01:13:44,316
And I'm like, "What are
you gonna do with them?"
1429
01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:46,180
He said, "I'm taking them
to the anarchist book fair,
1430
01:13:46,214 --> 01:13:48,527
"and I'm gonna sell
'em for a fiver each."
1431
01:13:48,562 --> 01:13:49,804
And I was just like,
"You're an idiot.
1432
01:13:49,839 --> 01:13:51,427
"I'll buy 'em and I'll
sell 'em for 20 quid.
1433
01:13:51,461 --> 01:13:54,878
"Come on, we can do
better with it than that."
1434
01:13:54,913 --> 01:13:58,468
And then he kinda came
up with the concept
1435
01:13:58,503 --> 01:13:59,952
of Pictures on Walls.
1436
01:13:59,987 --> 01:14:02,023
And again, the whole
ethos of Pictures on Walls
1437
01:14:02,058 --> 01:14:04,474
was to make cheap, affordable
art for the masses.
1438
01:14:06,165 --> 01:14:11,170
I was always into the
American screen print system,
1439
01:14:11,377 --> 01:14:15,451
whereby you'd have artists
like Frank Kozik and Coop
1440
01:14:15,485 --> 01:14:20,214
that would design gig posters
for Beastie Boys, Nirvana.
1441
01:14:21,353 --> 01:14:23,493
And every time the
Beastie Boys did a gig
1442
01:14:23,528 --> 01:14:25,115
as they toured across America,
1443
01:14:25,150 --> 01:14:28,118
there would be a poster that
you could buy for 30 quid.
1444
01:14:28,153 --> 01:14:30,189
People were producing
these really affordable,
1445
01:14:30,224 --> 01:14:33,020
fucking cool, what I
consider to be cool,
1446
01:14:33,054 --> 01:14:36,782
pieces of art by people
I consider to be artists,
1447
01:14:36,817 --> 01:14:38,439
and you could buy them
really, really cheap.
1448
01:14:39,923 --> 01:14:41,477
And the only screen
prints available
1449
01:14:41,511 --> 01:14:45,411
that you could get in England
were like for high art.
1450
01:14:46,585 --> 01:14:48,587
And I wanted to
try and do something
1451
01:14:48,622 --> 01:14:52,108
that was more based on the
American gig poster system.
1452
01:14:52,142 --> 01:14:54,248
And that was kind of the idea
1453
01:14:54,282 --> 01:14:56,008
behind Pictures on Walls
when we started it.
1454
01:14:56,906 --> 01:15:00,323
And again, in that kind of not
knowing what we were doing.
1455
01:15:00,357 --> 01:15:05,259
So, we were making print
runs like 600 and 750,
1456
01:15:05,293 --> 01:15:07,744
not knowing that that
wasn't really considered
1457
01:15:07,779 --> 01:15:09,401
a limited edition.
1458
01:15:09,435 --> 01:15:11,334
But, you know, still
went on and did it
1459
01:15:11,368 --> 01:15:13,819
and then started
sucking in other artists
1460
01:15:13,854 --> 01:15:17,927
to work on it as well,
like Invader, Motoo.
1461
01:15:17,961 --> 01:15:20,101
So then everyone got
involved, and suddenly
1462
01:15:20,136 --> 01:15:22,552
it was like a focal
point for the movement
1463
01:15:22,587 --> 01:15:24,968
about picking people
to come and do prints.
1464
01:15:26,832 --> 01:15:28,040
You know, no one was
earning money back then,
1465
01:15:28,075 --> 01:15:30,974
so you do a print with
Pictures on Walls,
1466
01:15:31,009 --> 01:15:32,838
you could earn like six grand.
1467
01:15:34,081 --> 01:15:36,566
You know, which was a
lot of money back then.
1468
01:15:36,601 --> 01:15:39,500
So, I saw it as a way whereby
1469
01:15:40,363 --> 01:15:43,987
I could make these artists money
1470
01:15:44,022 --> 01:15:45,679
and do something that I thought
1471
01:15:45,713 --> 01:15:49,096
was kinda quite important
and showcase their work.
1472
01:15:50,891 --> 01:15:53,963
And the first print
I did was a print
1473
01:15:53,997 --> 01:15:58,554
by an artist from
Norway called Dolk.
1474
01:15:59,624 --> 01:16:03,731
And it was a Labrador
fucking R2-D2.
1475
01:16:03,766 --> 01:16:06,423
Really high-brow stuff we were
doing back then.
1476
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,979
Although
simple in concept,
1477
01:16:10,013 --> 01:16:12,429
Banksy and Lazerides'
activities were,
1478
01:16:12,464 --> 01:16:15,053
at the time, revolutionary.
1479
01:16:15,087 --> 01:16:16,744
The street art
movement had managed
1480
01:16:16,779 --> 01:16:18,746
to bypass all the
established structures
1481
01:16:18,781 --> 01:16:22,405
for producing, exhibiting,
and selling works of art.
1482
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,270
And as Lazerides established
himself as an art dealer,
1483
01:16:25,304 --> 01:16:28,998
Banksys became increasingly
valuable properties.
1484
01:16:30,516 --> 01:16:34,279
Banksy's pretty good and
kinda like working people
1485
01:16:34,313 --> 01:16:38,283
and getting into different
crowds and different scenes.
1486
01:16:38,317 --> 01:16:39,595
You know, Jude Law.
1487
01:16:39,629 --> 01:16:40,975
And all of a sudden
Jude Law was coming down
1488
01:16:41,010 --> 01:16:43,668
and giving us 10
grand for a painting.
1489
01:16:43,702 --> 01:16:45,531
Almost like drug
dealers, at that point.
1490
01:16:45,566 --> 01:16:47,154
They were great
people to buy art.
1491
01:16:48,086 --> 01:16:50,157
There was loads of cash.
1492
01:16:50,191 --> 01:16:52,400
They thought this art
movement was cool.
1493
01:16:52,435 --> 01:16:54,989
They understood it a
lot more than the YBAs.
1494
01:16:55,024 --> 01:16:56,577
It was affordable.
1495
01:16:56,612 --> 01:16:59,649
And we were the cheeky little
shits running round London,
1496
01:16:59,684 --> 01:17:01,306
and people want
to buy into that.
1497
01:17:01,478 --> 01:17:03,791
We had no idea
what we were doing.
1498
01:17:03,826 --> 01:17:06,276
Pricing wise, I just made
it up as we went along.
1499
01:17:06,311 --> 01:17:10,453
So, my theory was, if
someone had 500 quid,
1500
01:17:10,487 --> 01:17:13,042
they've probably got 1,500,
so if we did something
1501
01:17:13,076 --> 01:17:15,320
at 500 quid and it sold out,
1502
01:17:15,354 --> 01:17:17,736
next time round
it would be 1,500.
1503
01:17:17,771 --> 01:17:19,945
And then it was like,
well if they've got 15,
1504
01:17:19,980 --> 01:17:22,396
then they might have 5, and
it just jumped like that.
1505
01:17:22,430 --> 01:17:24,674
And in the end, when
it started to get
1506
01:17:24,709 --> 01:17:28,747
to like tens of thousands of
pounds, I could only do it
1507
01:17:28,782 --> 01:17:31,992
if I didn't say the full
amount that the piece cost.
1508
01:17:32,026 --> 01:17:34,132
It was like, "Oh Christ, if
I tell 'em it's 15 grand,
1509
01:17:34,166 --> 01:17:36,168
"I'm just gonna
burst out laughing."
1510
01:17:36,203 --> 01:17:38,205
And it was like,
"Yeah, mate, it's 15."
1511
01:17:39,689 --> 01:17:42,692
We made it quite difficult
for people to buy pieces.
1512
01:17:42,727 --> 01:17:45,350
And like I said, it was
like, I had no plan.
1513
01:17:45,384 --> 01:17:47,628
I never wanted to
open a gallery.
1514
01:17:47,663 --> 01:17:50,424
It was just, we just
made it up.
1515
01:18:01,746 --> 01:18:04,783
That winter, Banksy
entered Tate Britain,
1516
01:18:04,818 --> 01:18:06,440
placed a painting on the wall,
1517
01:18:06,474 --> 01:18:08,304
and walked into
the history books.
1518
01:18:09,512 --> 01:18:11,928
With the incursions in
museums and galleries
1519
01:18:11,963 --> 01:18:13,619
and other stunts that followed,
1520
01:18:13,654 --> 01:18:17,727
Banksy pioneered a new type
of illegal performance art,
1521
01:18:17,762 --> 01:18:20,281
and, in doing so, he
began to transcend
1522
01:18:20,316 --> 01:18:21,593
the street art scene.
1523
01:18:24,423 --> 01:18:28,876
What really set him up was
his interventions in galleries
1524
01:18:28,911 --> 01:18:31,568
in New York, London, and Paris.
1525
01:18:33,018 --> 01:18:36,884
That suddenly gave him the
publicity that was needed
1526
01:18:36,919 --> 01:18:40,577
to make him into an artist
that everyone knew who he was.
1527
01:18:43,753 --> 01:18:44,720
Careful planning.
1528
01:18:45,859 --> 01:18:47,688
Those were almost
like a bank job.
1529
01:18:47,723 --> 01:18:49,690
You know, you'd sit
and plan it out,
1530
01:18:49,725 --> 01:18:51,278
work out how it was gonna work.
1531
01:18:51,312 --> 01:18:55,178
If you think that he took
a box that was this size,
1532
01:18:55,213 --> 01:18:57,560
with a freeze-dried rat in it,
1533
01:18:58,803 --> 01:19:00,839
drilled into the wall
in the middle of the day
1534
01:19:00,874 --> 01:19:04,084
in the Natural History
Museum during half term,
1535
01:19:04,118 --> 01:19:05,810
and put this piece
up on the wall.
1536
01:19:07,121 --> 01:19:09,054
It's not just Banksy;
there is a team,
1537
01:19:09,089 --> 01:19:11,781
although it's Banksy
who's got to face up
1538
01:19:11,816 --> 01:19:13,990
to putting a picture on the wall
1539
01:19:14,025 --> 01:19:15,543
and possibly getting arrested.
1540
01:19:17,994 --> 01:19:21,895
One of the gallery
invasions, some of his team
1541
01:19:21,929 --> 01:19:24,794
staged a sort of gay
tiff, an argument going on
1542
01:19:24,829 --> 01:19:26,796
so that there was a disturbance,
1543
01:19:26,831 --> 01:19:30,144
which allowed Banksy to go
an put a picture on the wall.
1544
01:19:31,318 --> 01:19:32,940
Once they'd set
things in motion,
1545
01:19:34,286 --> 01:19:38,808
I was always maybe like
20, 30, 50 feet away
1546
01:19:38,843 --> 01:19:40,120
kind of photographing
everything,
1547
01:19:40,154 --> 01:19:43,157
thinking there's
nothing I can do
1548
01:19:43,192 --> 01:19:47,955
to tip them off or stop it if
they're about to get caught.
1549
01:19:53,064 --> 01:19:56,239
To focus attention on
somebody who was anonymous,
1550
01:19:56,274 --> 01:19:58,897
and so you've got a
dilemma there immediately.
1551
01:19:58,932 --> 01:20:03,833
It also confirmed hisrelationship with the art world,
1552
01:20:03,868 --> 01:20:06,698
as being an outside,
as someone has not,
1553
01:20:06,732 --> 01:20:10,046
didn't have access to galleries.
1554
01:20:10,081 --> 01:20:14,223
It owes a lot to graffiti,
going into Disneyland
1555
01:20:14,257 --> 01:20:18,468
and handcuffing a Guantanamo
prisoner to the railings
1556
01:20:18,503 --> 01:20:20,367
and getting out
without getting caught.
1557
01:20:20,401 --> 01:20:23,404
The stakes are much higher, andthe audience is much bigger.
1558
01:20:24,336 --> 01:20:26,960
But the thinking is
largely the same, I think.
1559
01:20:27,684 --> 01:20:30,791
I think Banksy was becoming a
different kind of an artist.
1560
01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:35,071
He became this sort of
hybrid street artist,
1561
01:20:35,106 --> 01:20:40,111
social activist, ad hacker,
graffiti guy all into one.
1562
01:20:51,501 --> 01:20:53,883
In 2005,
Banksy embarked
1563
01:20:53,918 --> 01:20:56,817
on his most eye-catching
project yet.
1564
01:20:56,852 --> 01:21:00,165
Accompanied by Ben Eine, he
traveled to the Middle East
1565
01:21:00,200 --> 01:21:01,822
to paint the West Bank barrier.
1566
01:21:03,513 --> 01:21:06,723
A controversial wall erected
by the Israeli government,
1567
01:21:06,758 --> 01:21:09,243
the barrier separated the
Palestinian territories
1568
01:21:09,278 --> 01:21:13,213
from Israel and was felt by
many to be a supreme injustice
1569
01:21:13,247 --> 01:21:15,491
aimed at annexing
Palestinian land
1570
01:21:15,525 --> 01:21:18,011
and subjugating the population.
1571
01:21:21,117 --> 01:21:22,636
In traveling to Palestine,
1572
01:21:22,670 --> 01:21:25,259
a territory under
military occupation,
1573
01:21:25,294 --> 01:21:27,710
Banksy combined his
flair for highly-planned,
1574
01:21:27,744 --> 01:21:30,575
audacious and risky
stunts with his use
1575
01:21:30,609 --> 01:21:33,578
of striking imagery and
sense of social mission.
1576
01:21:34,268 --> 01:21:36,512
The collection of
paintings that resulted
1577
01:21:36,546 --> 01:21:38,583
were met with
international acclaim.
1578
01:21:39,584 --> 01:21:41,827
We wanted to got to Brazil,
1579
01:21:41,862 --> 01:21:43,657
because none of us
had been to Brazil,
1580
01:21:43,691 --> 01:21:46,108
and the girls were
really fit in Brazil,
1581
01:21:46,142 --> 01:21:48,696
and all of our girlfriends
put their foot down,
1582
01:21:48,731 --> 01:21:51,458
said no, you're not
going to go to Brazil.
1583
01:21:51,492 --> 01:21:54,254
There was three
of us at the time.
1584
01:21:54,288 --> 01:21:56,049
No, you're not
gonna go to Brazil.
1585
01:21:56,083 --> 01:21:58,914
That's ridiculous.
1586
01:21:58,948 --> 01:22:02,745
So, fundamentally, the
biggest wall in the world,
1587
01:22:02,779 --> 01:22:04,367
and it seemed like something
1588
01:22:04,402 --> 01:22:06,991
that was continually in the
press, always a problem,
1589
01:22:08,130 --> 01:22:10,304
the most religious ...
1590
01:22:11,202 --> 01:22:13,929
crazy, insane hotspot,
1591
01:22:15,861 --> 01:22:17,898
and the biggest
wall in the world.
1592
01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,728
So, as a bunch of people
that liked painting walls,
1593
01:22:21,660 --> 01:22:22,765
perfect destination.
1594
01:22:23,939 --> 01:22:25,733
I think we probably
spent two weeks there,
1595
01:22:25,768 --> 01:22:27,666
and we painted a load of stuff,
1596
01:22:27,701 --> 01:22:29,875
and none of it was
particularly political,
1597
01:22:31,256 --> 01:22:33,741
which is why we got away
with what we got away with.
1598
01:22:35,157 --> 01:22:36,848
We'd go and paint, and the
soldiers would come up.
1599
01:22:36,882 --> 01:22:39,023
They'd point guns at us,
just ask us questions.
1600
01:22:39,057 --> 01:22:41,646
We'd be like, "Oh, we're
idiot artists from London."
1601
01:22:41,680 --> 01:22:44,545
And then be like,
"Okay, go now, go now."
1602
01:22:44,580 --> 01:22:46,133
And we'd be like, "Yeah,
can we just quickly finish?
1603
01:22:46,168 --> 01:22:47,928
"It'll be finished
in like two minutes."
1604
01:22:47,963 --> 01:22:49,550
And they'd be like,
"Okay, finish.
1605
01:22:49,585 --> 01:22:51,000
"If we see you again,
we get you arrested."
1606
01:22:51,035 --> 01:22:52,795
And then we'd
drive like 20 miles
1607
01:22:52,829 --> 01:22:53,692
down the road or something.
1608
01:22:55,108 --> 01:22:58,249
The challenges were getting
stuff into the country
1609
01:22:59,457 --> 01:23:01,493
and getting stuff
out of the country.
1610
01:23:01,528 --> 01:23:03,806
Getting the photographs
and the memory sticks
1611
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,773
and the laptops
out of the country.
1612
01:23:05,808 --> 01:23:08,155
Getting ladders, getting a car,
1613
01:23:08,190 --> 01:23:09,536
finding somewhere to stay.
1614
01:23:10,640 --> 01:23:11,745
We stayed in this hotel,
1615
01:23:11,779 --> 01:23:14,023
and no one had stayed
there for like three years.
1616
01:23:15,162 --> 01:23:16,750
I think we did quite
a few workshops
1617
01:23:16,784 --> 01:23:19,373
with the local
kids in Palestine.
1618
01:23:19,408 --> 01:23:22,066
So we used that as
a bit of an excuse
1619
01:23:22,100 --> 01:23:23,860
to get art equipment in.
1620
01:23:24,758 --> 01:23:27,105
There's not a Montana
shop in Palestine,
1621
01:23:27,140 --> 01:23:29,487
so you can't just get
your mom's credit card
1622
01:23:29,521 --> 01:23:30,936
and order a load of shit online
1623
01:23:30,971 --> 01:23:33,077
and it turns up the
next day.
1624
01:23:33,939 --> 01:23:35,976
This idea of upping the stakes
1625
01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:39,014
and challenging yourself
to go one step further.
1626
01:23:39,048 --> 01:23:40,498
He's produced some
of his best work.
1627
01:23:41,637 --> 01:23:45,468
The work that Banksy
created in Palestine in 2005
1628
01:23:45,503 --> 01:23:47,022
was very powerful.
1629
01:23:47,056 --> 01:23:50,508
The ones that I remember
are as if the wall,
1630
01:23:50,542 --> 01:23:52,924
the barrier between
Palestine and Israel,
1631
01:23:52,958 --> 01:23:56,583
were cracked open and
you could see through it,
1632
01:23:56,617 --> 01:23:58,757
but you see paradise.
1633
01:23:58,792 --> 01:24:03,693
You see blue skies, you see
nature, you see children.
1634
01:24:04,832 --> 01:24:07,801
And that really was
such a stark difference
1635
01:24:07,835 --> 01:24:11,218
from the Palestinian plight
of what was happening there.
1636
01:24:11,253 --> 01:24:13,772
Looked nothing like
what he painted.
1637
01:24:16,603 --> 01:24:19,468
Certain people were becoming
a lot more kinda like ...
1638
01:24:22,091 --> 01:24:25,439
understanding the way
that the PR machine works.
1639
01:24:25,474 --> 01:24:27,027
So it wasn't until we came back
1640
01:24:27,062 --> 01:24:28,822
that those images
became political.
1641
01:24:31,135 --> 01:24:33,033
And there was the message
behind what we were doing.
1642
01:24:35,794 --> 01:24:38,003
If Banksy painted a
big wall in London,
1643
01:24:39,143 --> 01:24:42,180
then maybe the arts
editor in the Guardian
1644
01:24:42,215 --> 01:24:45,666
would write something about
it on one of the back pages.
1645
01:24:45,701 --> 01:24:47,289
But this was one
of the first times
1646
01:24:47,323 --> 01:24:48,980
when it actually
kind of blew up.
1647
01:24:51,879 --> 01:24:55,193
I think the first
trip to Palestine
1648
01:24:55,228 --> 01:24:58,783
elevated him to being
a more serious artist
1649
01:24:58,817 --> 01:25:01,234
than perhaps anyone
had taken him for,
1650
01:25:01,268 --> 01:25:03,305
because, don't forget,
this was only two years
1651
01:25:03,339 --> 01:25:07,792
after he'd been into galleries,putting art on walls.
1652
01:25:07,826 --> 01:25:12,072
And here he was, saying, yes,
I can joke around like this,
1653
01:25:12,107 --> 01:25:15,006
but I've also got, I've got
serious points I want to make.
1654
01:25:16,421 --> 01:25:17,905
The plight
of the Palestinians
1655
01:25:17,940 --> 01:25:21,185
would become a recurring theme
in Banksy's life and work.
1656
01:25:21,219 --> 01:25:25,810
And in 2007, he held the annualSanta's Ghetto in Bethlehem.
1657
01:25:27,708 --> 01:25:29,917
The underlying
message is that people
1658
01:25:29,952 --> 01:25:34,888
should come and see the harsh
daily reality for themselves.
1659
01:25:34,922 --> 01:25:37,753
And some Palestinians
are impressed.
1660
01:25:37,787 --> 01:25:39,927
Actually,
I like the towers.
1661
01:25:39,962 --> 01:25:41,136
Towers,
the little towers.
1662
01:25:41,170 --> 01:25:41,998
Yeah, the little towers.
1663
01:25:42,033 --> 01:25:43,103
-I like them.
-Why?
1664
01:25:43,138 --> 01:25:46,520
Because I see them everywhere
1665
01:25:46,555 --> 01:25:48,419
where I travel in the West Bank.
1666
01:25:48,453 --> 01:25:53,182
But it's the first time that
I see them in a colorful way
1667
01:25:53,217 --> 01:25:54,873
or something like--
1668
01:25:54,908 --> 01:25:58,877
I wish that the Israeli
army is influenced by this.
1669
01:26:00,258 --> 01:26:02,881
Eight years later,
Banksy journeyed to Gaza,
1670
01:26:02,916 --> 01:26:05,746
where he made a two-minute
film that drew attention
1671
01:26:05,781 --> 01:26:09,647
to the devastation caused by
recent Israeli air strikes.
1672
01:26:09,681 --> 01:26:13,858
In 2017, he opened
the Walled Off Hotel,
1673
01:26:13,892 --> 01:26:15,618
a dystopian art installation
1674
01:26:15,653 --> 01:26:17,586
that marked the
hundred-year anniversary
1675
01:26:17,620 --> 01:26:19,898
of British control
over Palestine.
1676
01:26:21,245 --> 01:26:23,937
The strongest work that
Banksy has done in Palestine,
1677
01:26:23,971 --> 01:26:27,182
for me, is the Walled
Off Hotel, in Bethlehem.
1678
01:26:28,355 --> 01:26:31,979
This is a hotel that
he calls "the hotel
1679
01:26:32,014 --> 01:26:34,050
with the worst
view in the world,"
1680
01:26:34,085 --> 01:26:36,915
in that it overlooks
the Israeli wall
1681
01:26:36,950 --> 01:26:39,780
that they built to separate
Palestine from Israel.
1682
01:26:44,682 --> 01:26:49,687
It mocks that whole
Palestinian-Israeli conflict.
1683
01:26:52,724 --> 01:26:56,003
You walk in, and
there is a reflection
1684
01:26:56,038 --> 01:26:58,109
of the part that
Britain played in this,
1685
01:26:58,143 --> 01:27:00,629
with the sort of colonial lobby
1686
01:27:00,663 --> 01:27:03,701
with a piano that
plays concert music.
1687
01:27:08,395 --> 01:27:12,606
You've got Banksy pieces of
art all around the lobby.
1688
01:27:12,641 --> 01:27:15,782
And you then go from that
sort of colonial past
1689
01:27:15,816 --> 01:27:19,958
into a museum which goes
through the whole history
1690
01:27:19,993 --> 01:27:23,307
of the Israel-Palestinian
conflict.
1691
01:27:23,341 --> 01:27:27,449
And then you've got these
rooms, one of them painted
1692
01:27:27,483 --> 01:27:30,279
by Banksy, a couple of
them painted by others.
1693
01:27:31,694 --> 01:27:36,181
I just think, as a work of art,questioning what's going on,
1694
01:27:36,216 --> 01:27:40,220
reminding people of what'sgoing on, it's a fabulous piece.
1695
01:27:41,428 --> 01:27:42,878
I don't
want to take sides,
1696
01:27:42,912 --> 01:27:44,983
but when you see entire
suburban neighborhoods
1697
01:27:45,018 --> 01:27:48,297
reduced to rubble, with
no hope in the future,
1698
01:27:48,332 --> 01:27:50,092
what you're really
looking at is a vast,
1699
01:27:50,126 --> 01:27:52,750
outdoor recruitment
center for terrorists,
1700
01:27:52,784 --> 01:27:55,477
and we should probably address
this for all our sakes.
1701
01:27:57,582 --> 01:28:00,689
This guy, who doesn't
live in this country,
1702
01:28:00,723 --> 01:28:02,725
traveled all the way over there,
1703
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,728
and took it upon himself
to make a statement
1704
01:28:05,763 --> 01:28:09,284
concerning a people
that are not his people,
1705
01:28:09,318 --> 01:28:12,563
an injustice that's not
necessarily his injustice.
1706
01:28:12,597 --> 01:28:16,946
And so, he painted
with great clarity
1707
01:28:16,981 --> 01:28:20,640
what people around the
world could imagine
1708
01:28:20,674 --> 01:28:23,228
are the dreams of the
Palestinian people.
1709
01:28:24,264 --> 01:28:29,890
It showed how powerful
street art could actually be
1710
01:28:29,925 --> 01:28:33,480
if you have the proper context
and if you gave a shit.
1711
01:28:37,208 --> 01:28:39,935
The paintings on
the Israeli separation barrier
1712
01:28:39,969 --> 01:28:42,351
earned Banksy a
global following.
1713
01:28:42,386 --> 01:28:45,285
And in 2006, he opened his first
1714
01:28:45,320 --> 01:28:47,563
major exhibition
outside Britain.
1715
01:28:49,047 --> 01:28:52,050
Entitled Barely Legal,
the show was designed
1716
01:28:52,085 --> 01:28:54,536
along similar lines to Turf War.
1717
01:28:54,570 --> 01:28:56,848
It was staged in the
inglamorous surroundings
1718
01:28:56,883 --> 01:28:59,817
of a warehouse in
downtown Los Angeles,
1719
01:28:59,851 --> 01:29:03,648
featured a live, painted
animal, this time an elephant,
1720
01:29:03,683 --> 01:29:06,686
and attempted to bring
Banksy's alternative concept
1721
01:29:06,720 --> 01:29:10,103
of what an art show could
be to an American audience.
1722
01:29:11,380 --> 01:29:13,727
Banksy doesn't do exhibitions.
1723
01:29:13,762 --> 01:29:17,248
The whole thing is an experience
1724
01:29:17,282 --> 01:29:18,525
I think it made a huge impact.
1725
01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:20,009
It think that it
really showed people
1726
01:29:20,044 --> 01:29:23,565
that, yeah, we can do this,
and there is no limits.
1727
01:29:23,599 --> 01:29:24,773
We don't have to go to a gallery
1728
01:29:24,807 --> 01:29:26,361
and listen to what
they say about
1729
01:29:26,395 --> 01:29:28,811
you have a white wall, this
is your space, you do it.
1730
01:29:28,846 --> 01:29:30,054
Now you could say, nah,
I'm not gonna do that.
1731
01:29:30,088 --> 01:29:31,366
I'll go do my own thing.
1732
01:29:32,505 --> 01:29:33,747
We opened.
1733
01:29:33,782 --> 01:29:35,300
It was insane.
1734
01:29:35,335 --> 01:29:38,131
We didn't know anyone,
so I made everyone queue,
1735
01:29:38,165 --> 01:29:40,375
so the only people
that we'd let in
1736
01:29:40,409 --> 01:29:42,446
ahead of everyone else
were Dennis Hopper,
1737
01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,171
'cause he's the only
person I recognized,
1738
01:29:44,206 --> 01:29:45,828
and Sacha Baron Cohen.
1739
01:29:45,863 --> 01:29:49,556
So it's like we had studiobosses and all sorts queuing up.
1740
01:29:50,799 --> 01:29:52,387
It was a huge success.
1741
01:29:53,698 --> 01:29:55,493
A lot of work was bought.
1742
01:29:55,528 --> 01:29:58,427
The suggestion was
that Banksy sold
1743
01:29:58,462 --> 01:30:01,775
three million pounds worth
of art, which nowadays
1744
01:30:01,810 --> 01:30:05,192
doesn't seem like a huge
figure, but then it was.
1745
01:30:05,227 --> 01:30:07,643
Hollywood royalty was there.
1746
01:30:07,678 --> 01:30:09,680
It was a sort of sensation.
1747
01:30:09,714 --> 01:30:12,407
Suddenly like everything's
bathed in blue light
1748
01:30:12,441 --> 01:30:14,167
and flashbulbs are going off.
1749
01:30:14,201 --> 01:30:15,755
I'm like, "Christ,
what's going on?"
1750
01:30:15,789 --> 01:30:18,274
And then, next thing I
see is Brad and Angelina
1751
01:30:18,309 --> 01:30:20,138
getting out of a car.
1752
01:30:20,173 --> 01:30:22,486
Now, they'd not been
seen in public together
1753
01:30:22,520 --> 01:30:25,523
for almost a year, so they
turned up to the show.
1754
01:30:27,456 --> 01:30:29,838
Suddenly, there was this
exhibition of an artist
1755
01:30:29,872 --> 01:30:32,012
no one had heard
of in America much.
1756
01:30:33,531 --> 01:30:36,189
And it was the thing to
do, it was the place to go,
1757
01:30:36,223 --> 01:30:38,433
the place to be seen,
the place to buy.
1758
01:30:39,951 --> 01:30:42,851
But the place to
be seen and the place to buy
1759
01:30:42,885 --> 01:30:45,267
was not where street
art had started.
1760
01:30:45,301 --> 01:30:48,304
And the success of Barely Legalbrought with it a problem.
1761
01:30:49,409 --> 01:30:52,239
Although Banksy was at pains
to ensure that his shows
1762
01:30:52,274 --> 01:30:55,691
were light years from thetraditional gallery experience,
1763
01:30:55,726 --> 01:30:58,763
they nevertheless
remained art exhibitions.
1764
01:30:58,798 --> 01:31:01,007
The original concept
of street art,
1765
01:31:01,041 --> 01:31:04,976
images place anonymously and
illicitly in public spaces
1766
01:31:05,011 --> 01:31:06,668
as free art for the masses
1767
01:31:06,702 --> 01:31:08,566
had nothing to do
with guest lists,
1768
01:31:08,601 --> 01:31:10,810
celebrity, glamor, and hype.
1769
01:31:12,328 --> 01:31:14,676
Street art is the whole thing.
1770
01:31:14,710 --> 01:31:17,161
It's everything
about site, location.
1771
01:31:17,195 --> 01:31:18,576
It is a democratic art form.
1772
01:31:18,611 --> 01:31:19,853
It's about feedback.
1773
01:31:19,888 --> 01:31:21,545
It's all these other
things that happen.
1774
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:24,582
Site-specific.
1775
01:31:26,135 --> 01:31:27,620
A lot.
1776
01:31:27,654 --> 01:31:31,555
But then you have to take
a bite-size piece of that,
1777
01:31:31,589 --> 01:31:32,659
and that goes over here.
1778
01:31:32,694 --> 01:31:33,591
Right?
1779
01:31:33,626 --> 01:31:34,972
And so then, does it change?
1780
01:31:35,006 --> 01:31:36,007
Yes.
1781
01:31:36,042 --> 01:31:38,113
Can it be authentic?
1782
01:31:38,147 --> 01:31:39,459
Not in the same way.
1783
01:31:40,633 --> 01:31:42,220
When he blew up
here in the States,
1784
01:31:42,255 --> 01:31:45,741
it's because Angelina Jolie
and Brad Pitt bought his work.
1785
01:31:45,776 --> 01:31:47,294
That was like, whoa.
1786
01:31:47,329 --> 01:31:49,262
Who are they buying and
what are they collecting?
1787
01:31:49,296 --> 01:31:51,609
And we should
probably follow them,
1788
01:31:51,644 --> 01:31:53,266
because we have no
minds of our own
1789
01:31:53,300 --> 01:31:55,026
and we only follow celebrities.
1790
01:31:56,441 --> 01:31:58,789
Banksy said it weirded him out.
1791
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,861
He said he couldn't
sell another painting
1792
01:32:01,895 --> 01:32:03,483
for the next couple of years.
1793
01:32:05,450 --> 01:32:09,040
He enjoys some of
it but doesn't like
1794
01:32:09,075 --> 01:32:10,870
what comes with it
some of the time.
1795
01:32:12,492 --> 01:32:14,252
When I was at the
airport, I saw it
1796
01:32:14,287 --> 01:32:16,979
either on the Banky show's on
the front cover of whatever,
1797
01:32:17,014 --> 01:32:20,776
like, OK!, Hello,
and you're like, wow,
1798
01:32:20,811 --> 01:32:22,882
this has just gone nuts.
1799
01:32:29,716 --> 01:32:31,580
Banksy's
soaring profile
1800
01:32:31,615 --> 01:32:33,686
completely upended
the established order
1801
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:34,514
in the art world.
1802
01:32:35,342 --> 01:32:37,137
Together with Steve Lazerides,
1803
01:32:37,172 --> 01:32:39,208
he had managed to
create a system for art
1804
01:32:39,243 --> 01:32:41,970
that was entirely
independent of the galleries,
1805
01:32:42,004 --> 01:32:44,351
auction houses,
museums and financiers,
1806
01:32:45,283 --> 01:32:47,216
but which they could
no longer ignore.
1807
01:32:48,079 --> 01:32:50,081
The phrase "The Banksy Effect"
1808
01:32:50,116 --> 01:32:52,118
started to appear in the media,
1809
01:32:52,152 --> 01:32:54,292
used to describe the
explosion of interest
1810
01:32:54,327 --> 01:32:58,193
in a collection of previously
obscure underground artists.
1811
01:32:59,401 --> 01:33:00,678
We didn't engage
with the art world,
1812
01:33:00,713 --> 01:33:02,646
'cause we didn't need to.
1813
01:33:02,680 --> 01:33:04,958
I don't think anyone
had any intention
1814
01:33:04,993 --> 01:33:07,582
to want him to be
part of the art world.
1815
01:33:07,616 --> 01:33:09,963
If you think that
most of these guys,
1816
01:33:09,998 --> 01:33:12,069
it was more of a
stick it to the man
1817
01:33:12,103 --> 01:33:14,278
kind of attitude
rather than, oh,
1818
01:33:14,312 --> 01:33:15,900
let's try and get into the Tate.
1819
01:33:17,902 --> 01:33:20,042
When did the
contemporary art movement
1820
01:33:20,077 --> 01:33:22,424
start taking notice
of street art?
1821
01:33:22,458 --> 01:33:27,015
When the press and magazines
were writing about street art
1822
01:33:27,049 --> 01:33:29,258
more than they were
writing about Damien Hirst.
1823
01:33:30,501 --> 01:33:33,090
And then you see Damien Hirst
collaborating with Banksy.
1824
01:33:33,124 --> 01:33:34,781
These people aren't
stupid, are they?
1825
01:33:39,475 --> 01:33:42,133
Street art had to be looked at.
1826
01:33:42,168 --> 01:33:44,411
Art critics had to look at it.
1827
01:33:44,446 --> 01:33:49,244
That it was work that should
be seen as proper art,
1828
01:33:49,278 --> 01:33:53,144
not some vandal just putting
up a bit of paint on a wall,
1829
01:33:53,179 --> 01:33:56,803
and it should be considered
and thought about
1830
01:33:56,838 --> 01:33:59,288
and shouldn't be
just painted over.
1831
01:34:08,573 --> 01:34:11,335
By 2008,
street art was a feature
1832
01:34:11,369 --> 01:34:13,578
of urban landscapes
across the planet
1833
01:34:13,613 --> 01:34:15,235
and had become the
most significant
1834
01:34:15,270 --> 01:34:17,686
art movement of
the 21st century.
1835
01:34:27,903 --> 01:34:32,528
The key figures in this
movement were Shepard Fairey
1836
01:34:32,563 --> 01:34:36,049
with his Obey poster
and his Hope poster,
1837
01:34:36,084 --> 01:34:38,086
which was a significant part
1838
01:34:38,120 --> 01:34:41,296
in the Obama
presidential campaign.
1839
01:34:44,230 --> 01:34:47,233
Faile, the art collective.
1840
01:34:47,267 --> 01:34:49,166
Sort of beautiful work.
1841
01:34:49,200 --> 01:34:51,686
Very intense, intriguing work.
1842
01:34:56,311 --> 01:34:59,728
Ron English, who
would change adverts
1843
01:34:59,763 --> 01:35:01,350
in an entertaining way.
1844
01:35:07,253 --> 01:35:10,705
Swoon, one of the few
women graffiti artists,
1845
01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:13,569
who'd paste up her wood cuts.
1846
01:35:17,539 --> 01:35:19,921
RETNA in Los Angeles,
who was more graffiti
1847
01:35:19,955 --> 01:35:21,267
but was very strong.
1848
01:35:22,993 --> 01:35:23,821
Ben Eine.
1849
01:35:29,240 --> 01:35:30,138
Pure Evil.
1850
01:35:34,004 --> 01:35:37,801
Invader, a French artist,
named after Space Invader.
1851
01:35:37,835 --> 01:35:42,426
He put these small tiles
in cities across the world.
1852
01:35:43,634 --> 01:35:45,843
People like that were
making the difference.
1853
01:35:49,813 --> 01:35:52,298
The Banksy effect has
kind of leveled out
1854
01:35:52,332 --> 01:35:53,506
the playing field.
1855
01:35:53,540 --> 01:35:56,405
So it's like, if
an individual says,
1856
01:35:56,440 --> 01:35:59,615
I can't afford six figures
to get an actual Banksy,
1857
01:35:59,650 --> 01:36:02,722
but I could go and support
this other local artist
1858
01:36:02,757 --> 01:36:04,413
or this other
artist who does work
1859
01:36:04,448 --> 01:36:07,796
that they may like that's
similar, whereas 10, 20,
1860
01:36:07,831 --> 01:36:10,972
30 years ago, that conversationsimply didn't happen.
1861
01:36:13,457 --> 01:36:18,117
Banksy truly believed that
this is an art movement,
1862
01:36:19,808 --> 01:36:24,364
and the bigger you can make
this movement, the better,
1863
01:36:24,399 --> 01:36:26,435
and if you can make
it a global movement.
1864
01:36:27,160 --> 01:36:30,543
And I think he always
tried to position himself
1865
01:36:30,577 --> 01:36:34,271
as the leader of this movement,and he's achieved that.
1866
01:36:37,930 --> 01:36:40,829
If you think about
it, since the YBAs,
1867
01:36:40,864 --> 01:36:43,694
there's been no other
new movement of art
1868
01:36:43,728 --> 01:36:46,214
outside of what the graffiti
scene has been doing,
1869
01:36:46,248 --> 01:36:49,389
and it's probably one of
the most powerful art forms
1870
01:36:49,424 --> 01:36:53,566
globally and has millions
and millions of followers.
1871
01:37:22,215 --> 01:37:24,252
The worldwide
growth of street art
1872
01:37:24,286 --> 01:37:27,324
inevitable attracted
money, big money.
1873
01:37:35,711 --> 01:37:38,818
After Christina Aguilera
bought a Banksy original,
1874
01:37:38,853 --> 01:37:41,614
the price of his work
doubled overnight.
1875
01:37:41,648 --> 01:37:44,789
Banksy auctions at
Sotheby's saw record bids,
1876
01:37:44,824 --> 01:37:47,654
with sales reaching many
time their upper estimates.
1877
01:37:49,415 --> 01:37:51,382
Having suddenly
discovered street art,
1878
01:37:51,417 --> 01:37:54,316
collectors now clamored to
buy up as much as they could.
1879
01:37:57,285 --> 01:37:59,459
It was like a new
fucking gold rush.
1880
01:37:59,494 --> 01:38:00,426
It was mental.
1881
01:38:01,876 --> 01:38:05,327
We put a Faile show
on at Greek Street,
1882
01:38:05,362 --> 01:38:06,673
and people were literally
1883
01:38:06,708 --> 01:38:09,228
like fighting each other
to buy the paintings.
1884
01:38:09,262 --> 01:38:11,644
We did a Micklef
show in Los Angeles,
1885
01:38:11,678 --> 01:38:15,959
where we opened the doors,
and people literally ran at us
1886
01:38:15,993 --> 01:38:18,064
to come and buy the paintings.
1887
01:38:18,099 --> 01:38:19,583
It was insane.
1888
01:38:19,617 --> 01:38:22,551
And, you know, I think
this had been whipped up
1889
01:38:22,586 --> 01:38:24,760
by the commercial
art world as well
1890
01:38:24,795 --> 01:38:26,383
buying stuff and suddenly seeing
1891
01:38:26,417 --> 01:38:28,937
the returns that you
could make on art.
1892
01:38:30,387 --> 01:38:34,839
When people buy art today,
it's not always based on
1893
01:38:34,874 --> 01:38:38,291
what art they're
drawn to personally.
1894
01:38:39,223 --> 01:38:43,469
At the highest echelons
of the real super rich,
1895
01:38:44,608 --> 01:38:49,095
it's often because
of what is ...
1896
01:38:49,130 --> 01:38:51,097
considered valuable at the time.
1897
01:38:52,719 --> 01:38:55,101
See, that is ...
1898
01:38:55,136 --> 01:38:58,449
part of the quandary.
1899
01:38:58,484 --> 01:39:01,142
You're dealing with artists
1900
01:39:01,176 --> 01:39:04,593
who essentially give
their work away,
1901
01:39:04,628 --> 01:39:08,839
and now you're trying to
commodify pieces of it.
1902
01:39:08,873 --> 01:39:10,220
And that is a challenge.
1903
01:39:11,324 --> 01:39:13,050
Good evening, ladies
and gentlemen,
1904
01:39:13,085 --> 01:39:16,329
and a very warm
welcome to Sotheby's.
1905
01:39:16,364 --> 01:39:18,918
The money was just a byproduct.
1906
01:39:18,953 --> 01:39:20,747
No one was going out
to kinda make money.
1907
01:39:20,782 --> 01:39:22,266
We were just trying to keep up
1908
01:39:22,301 --> 01:39:24,751
with the people that were
buying it an flipping it.
1909
01:39:24,786 --> 01:39:28,376
So, it was like, well if
we charged bloody 250 quid,
1910
01:39:28,410 --> 01:39:29,894
and they're charging
20 grand for it,
1911
01:39:29,929 --> 01:39:31,310
then we're being idiots.
1912
01:39:31,344 --> 01:39:35,245
But I think that, ultimately,
it's been the thing
1913
01:39:35,279 --> 01:39:38,041
that's, at the moment,
destroying the scene,
1914
01:39:38,075 --> 01:39:41,665
because I think people are justlooking at it as a cash cow.
1915
01:39:41,699 --> 01:39:44,599
And, you know, all the
artists I ever work with,
1916
01:39:44,633 --> 01:39:46,877
none of them went
into it for money.
1917
01:39:46,911 --> 01:39:49,017
JR, Invader, all these guys,
1918
01:39:49,052 --> 01:39:51,364
they went into it 'cause
they wanted to say something.
1919
01:40:01,202 --> 01:40:02,617
The trade in prints
1920
01:40:02,651 --> 01:40:05,689
and original canvases intended
for sale was one thing,
1921
01:40:05,723 --> 01:40:08,209
but after people began to
remove sections of walls
1922
01:40:08,243 --> 01:40:10,038
that had been painted
in the streets
1923
01:40:10,073 --> 01:40:12,454
and then offered them
for sale at auction,
1924
01:40:12,489 --> 01:40:14,905
Banksy moved to try
to exert some control
1925
01:40:14,939 --> 01:40:16,424
of the market in his work.
1926
01:40:17,804 --> 01:40:20,876
He established Pest
Control, an organization
1927
01:40:20,911 --> 01:40:23,845
that would issue valuable
certificates of authenticity,
1928
01:40:23,879 --> 01:40:27,159
or COAs, only to
certain of his works,
1929
01:40:27,193 --> 01:40:29,506
leaving the remainder
difficult to sell.
1930
01:40:32,440 --> 01:40:34,407
What does that artist want
to do with it, you know?
1931
01:40:34,442 --> 01:40:35,995
And I think if the
artist wants it to be
1932
01:40:36,030 --> 01:40:37,238
in a gallery, that's fine.
1933
01:40:37,272 --> 01:40:38,756
But if he doesn't want
it to be in a gallery,
1934
01:40:38,791 --> 01:40:39,481
that's not fine.
1935
01:40:41,069 --> 01:40:42,829
Banksy's dealt with
this a lot, right?
1936
01:40:42,864 --> 01:40:45,142
His stuff gets stolen,
and it's an issue.
1937
01:40:45,177 --> 01:40:46,730
But I think he's come up
with a solution, right?
1938
01:40:46,764 --> 01:40:50,009
He doesn't give it a COA,
so it really has no value
1939
01:40:50,044 --> 01:40:53,357
in the high art institutions.
1940
01:40:53,392 --> 01:40:55,118
There are still gold
diggers out there
1941
01:40:55,152 --> 01:40:57,223
that are grabbing it andselling it on the black market.
1942
01:40:57,258 --> 01:40:58,569
I'm sure that'll
last for a while.
1943
01:40:58,604 --> 01:41:00,468
But eventually, people
are gonna realize
1944
01:41:00,502 --> 01:41:02,297
that the end game's
not worth it.
1945
01:41:03,816 --> 01:41:05,576
The pieces that
we sell at Bottoms
1946
01:41:05,611 --> 01:41:07,958
are the pieces that
have been purchased,
1947
01:41:07,992 --> 01:41:09,339
they come with certificates,
1948
01:41:09,373 --> 01:41:12,894
there's a very traceable element
1949
01:41:12,928 --> 01:41:15,586
of a traceable history,
if you like, to them.
1950
01:41:15,621 --> 01:41:17,795
So, absolutely not
encouraging people
1951
01:41:17,830 --> 01:41:19,314
to remove the pieces from walls.
1952
01:41:20,419 --> 01:41:22,904
Street pieces are street pieces.
1953
01:41:22,938 --> 01:41:25,148
They were created and gifted
1954
01:41:25,182 --> 01:41:26,597
to whatever city they're in.
1955
01:41:27,598 --> 01:41:30,394
I think takin' 'em off the
street is morally wrong.
1956
01:41:30,429 --> 01:41:34,053
They were created for the
people to get enjoyment from,
1957
01:41:34,088 --> 01:41:36,607
not for like one guy to
go an pay someone 50 grand
1958
01:41:36,642 --> 01:41:38,506
to chop his wall
off and then try
1959
01:41:38,540 --> 01:41:40,197
and sell it to a billionaire.
1960
01:41:40,232 --> 01:41:41,612
It's wrong.
1961
01:41:43,027 --> 01:41:44,960
Nevertheless,
that billionaires
1962
01:41:44,995 --> 01:41:48,343
were interested at all showed
how far graffiti had come.
1963
01:41:50,725 --> 01:41:54,315
In 2008, Banksy held
the Cans Festival
1964
01:41:54,349 --> 01:41:56,869
in a tunnel under
London's Waterloo Station.
1965
01:41:58,215 --> 01:42:00,907
A celebration of the movement,
over 40 of the world's
1966
01:42:00,942 --> 01:42:04,877
most famous street artists
were invited to participate.
1967
01:42:04,911 --> 01:42:08,122
With an estimated 30,000
people queuing to get in
1968
01:42:08,156 --> 01:42:09,571
over the May bank holiday.
1969
01:42:12,056 --> 01:42:14,300
A year later,
Banksy returned home
1970
01:42:14,335 --> 01:42:17,959
to stage Banksy
vs. Bristol Museum,
1971
01:42:17,993 --> 01:42:20,237
his largest exhibition to date.
1972
01:42:20,272 --> 01:42:22,136
The show was organized
in partnership
1973
01:42:22,170 --> 01:42:24,068
with Bristol's city council,
1974
01:42:24,103 --> 01:42:27,244
once enthusiastic participants
in Operation Anderson
1975
01:42:27,279 --> 01:42:29,833
and scourge of Bristol's
graffiti artists.
1976
01:42:32,111 --> 01:42:35,390
Banksy's fantasy, that the
rats, the powerless losers
1977
01:42:35,425 --> 01:42:38,186
might one day get some good
equipment and take over
1978
01:42:38,221 --> 01:42:40,084
had finally been realized.
1979
01:42:42,501 --> 01:42:46,229
For me, the best of
Bansky's exhibitions
1980
01:42:46,263 --> 01:42:48,955
is Banksy vs. the
Bristol Museum.
1981
01:42:52,027 --> 01:42:54,651
This was a museum
that was not getting
1982
01:42:54,685 --> 01:42:58,586
a great deal of support
from Bristolians.
1983
01:42:58,620 --> 01:43:02,866
But than Banksy started hanginghis work next to pieces,
1984
01:43:02,900 --> 01:43:04,868
and suddenly the
museum came to life.
1985
01:43:07,146 --> 01:43:10,943
What was so outstanding to me
was the way it expanded art.
1986
01:43:10,977 --> 01:43:12,876
It brought in people who never
1987
01:43:12,910 --> 01:43:14,360
would have gone to that museum,
1988
01:43:14,395 --> 01:43:18,088
who were seeing work that
existed in their city
1989
01:43:18,122 --> 01:43:20,815
that they probably
knew nothing about,
1990
01:43:20,849 --> 01:43:22,437
quite apart from Banksy.
1991
01:43:22,472 --> 01:43:24,059
And, of course, it was Banksy.
1992
01:43:25,337 --> 01:43:27,856
It encouraged people
to explore the museum
1993
01:43:27,891 --> 01:43:30,583
and look at the collection
in ways they hadn't before.
1994
01:43:31,722 --> 01:43:34,656
Putting a sex toy in
amongst the stalactites
1995
01:43:34,691 --> 01:43:39,247
and stalagmites, and
putting a pipe with weed
1996
01:43:39,282 --> 01:43:42,664
in amongst the collection of
ceramics, all those things.
1997
01:43:43,769 --> 01:43:45,909
I followed this
elderly couple around,
1998
01:43:45,943 --> 01:43:48,463
and I was struck by the
fact they were laughing.
1999
01:43:48,498 --> 01:43:50,948
And it's not very often
you hear people laugh
2000
01:43:50,983 --> 01:43:52,985
in art shows and museums.
2001
01:43:54,089 --> 01:43:57,265
Putting a cordon around
the gypsy caravan,
2002
01:43:57,300 --> 01:43:59,025
it made a serious
point about Travelers
2003
01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:01,096
and the plight of
Travelers in the way
2004
01:44:01,131 --> 01:44:04,376
that that caravan that's
been in Bristol Museum
2005
01:44:04,410 --> 01:44:07,033
for many, many years has
never been able to do,
2006
01:44:07,068 --> 01:44:08,725
just changing and
flipping the context.
2007
01:44:11,831 --> 01:44:14,282
The combination of
the animatronics,
2008
01:44:14,317 --> 01:44:17,872
the interventions in
the museum itself,
2009
01:44:17,906 --> 01:44:20,530
the large-scale models
like the ice cream van
2010
01:44:20,564 --> 01:44:23,981
and the gallery space
which is always used
2011
01:44:24,016 --> 01:44:26,777
as a gallery space in the
museum being used as a kind of
2012
01:44:26,812 --> 01:44:31,299
a retrospective, complete
with a mock-up of his studio.
2013
01:44:31,334 --> 01:44:36,339
It was a really bold statement
about where he'd got to.
2014
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:38,513
And to do it in
Bristol was great.
2015
01:44:38,548 --> 01:44:40,412
It was really good for Bristol.
2016
01:44:42,241 --> 01:44:44,623
The concept
of popularizing art,
2017
01:44:44,657 --> 01:44:46,694
making it accessible
to the public
2018
01:44:46,728 --> 01:44:48,454
by rethinking the context,
2019
01:44:48,489 --> 01:44:51,250
started to inform
much of Banksy's work,
2020
01:44:51,285 --> 01:44:53,908
which moved away from the
amusing street stencils
2021
01:44:53,942 --> 01:44:56,428
and into landmark
artistic statements
2022
01:44:56,462 --> 01:44:58,361
along the lines
of Bristol Museum.
2023
01:45:00,363 --> 01:45:05,160
In 2015, he opened Dismaland
in Weston-super-Mare,
2024
01:45:05,195 --> 01:45:08,163
a seafront holiday resort
not far from Bristol
2025
01:45:08,198 --> 01:45:10,096
that had fallen on hard times.
2026
01:45:11,650 --> 01:45:15,309
Billed as a bemusement
park, Dismaland was visited
2027
01:45:15,343 --> 01:45:18,967
by over 150,000 people
in little over a month,
2028
01:45:19,002 --> 01:45:21,556
all of whom had come to
see an art exhibition
2029
01:45:21,591 --> 01:45:25,974
reimagined as a drab, miserable,and hostile amusement park.
2030
01:45:27,700 --> 01:45:30,393
Dismaland was a legacy of
the museum show, I think.
2031
01:45:30,427 --> 01:45:33,775
It exemplified so much
of what Banksy's about:
2032
01:45:33,810 --> 01:45:36,330
the humor, the
quality, the ambition.
2033
01:45:37,607 --> 01:45:40,161
It was also partly about
the artists he really liked.
2034
01:45:40,195 --> 01:45:43,751
He had 60 other artists
exhibiting there.
2035
01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:46,132
What was interesting
was that they came
2036
01:45:46,167 --> 01:45:48,721
from across the world from
where Banksy had met them,
2037
01:45:48,756 --> 01:45:52,173
so you had Palestinians
and you had Israelis.
2038
01:45:52,207 --> 01:45:54,451
Everyone was seeing art
they'd never seen before.
2039
01:45:54,486 --> 01:45:57,903
There were all kinds of
things going on there.
2040
01:45:57,937 --> 01:46:01,734
The union banners, the squattingand housing action groups
2041
01:46:01,769 --> 01:46:04,254
which were represented
there, the annexist groups
2042
01:46:04,288 --> 01:46:07,740
which were represented there,
it was a wonderful thing.
2043
01:46:07,775 --> 01:46:09,673
I don't think any of
us really expected him
2044
01:46:09,708 --> 01:46:14,057
to create something quite
as magnificent as Dismaland.
2045
01:46:15,265 --> 01:46:17,716
It's as if Jeff Koons
was a graffiti writer.
2046
01:46:18,889 --> 01:46:19,580
Right?
2047
01:46:19,614 --> 01:46:21,409
And he had the resources to do
2048
01:46:21,444 --> 01:46:23,480
whatever the fuck
he wanted to do.
2049
01:46:23,515 --> 01:46:24,619
Well, that was Banksy.
2050
01:46:26,241 --> 01:46:30,038
In his core, he was still
a street graffiti guy
2051
01:46:30,073 --> 01:46:33,283
who understood
communication to the masses.
2052
01:46:33,317 --> 01:46:36,251
High production value
for the common man.
2053
01:46:37,425 --> 01:46:40,980
He's become the people's
favorite artist.
2054
01:46:41,015 --> 01:46:43,500
He is more, though, than
just a people's artist;
2055
01:46:43,535 --> 01:46:47,815
he's an artist who isquestioning the whole art scene,
2056
01:46:47,849 --> 01:46:50,680
which we are all
part of, actually,
2057
01:46:50,714 --> 01:46:54,891
and the whole money for art,
and the whole glamor for art,
2058
01:46:54,925 --> 01:46:56,996
and the way art is being used
2059
01:46:57,031 --> 01:46:59,999
as more than just
pictures on walls.
2060
01:47:00,034 --> 01:47:03,037
And it's that questioning
and that clever questioning
2061
01:47:03,071 --> 01:47:04,383
that I think is important.
2062
01:47:05,867 --> 01:47:07,697
Those questions
surface persistently
2063
01:47:07,731 --> 01:47:09,457
in Banksy's art.
2064
01:47:09,492 --> 01:47:13,288
His 2010 documentary film,
Exit Through the Gift Shop,
2065
01:47:13,323 --> 01:47:15,152
explored how art is marketed
2066
01:47:15,187 --> 01:47:18,466
by transforming a clothes shop
owner named Thierry Guetta
2067
01:47:18,501 --> 01:47:20,295
into a celebrated street artist
2068
01:47:20,330 --> 01:47:22,056
from whom people
were prepared to buy
2069
01:47:22,090 --> 01:47:24,230
millions of dollars of his work,
2070
01:47:24,265 --> 01:47:25,818
irrespective of its quality.
2071
01:47:28,787 --> 01:47:31,168
Conversely, a stall
that Banksy set up
2072
01:47:31,203 --> 01:47:33,654
in New York's Central
Park, offering his work
2073
01:47:33,688 --> 01:47:37,036
for $60 a piece failed
to do much business.
2074
01:47:38,590 --> 01:47:40,868
Without the art
industry to hype them,
2075
01:47:40,902 --> 01:47:43,146
the canvases were
largely ignored.
2076
01:47:43,180 --> 01:47:46,045
A tourist from New Zealand
who purchased two pieces
2077
01:47:46,080 --> 01:47:51,085
at the stall was later able
to sell them for $125,000.
2078
01:47:52,535 --> 01:47:56,366
Through it all, he's able to
make us laugh at ourselves,
2079
01:47:57,229 --> 01:47:59,369
this machine of the art world,
2080
01:48:00,543 --> 01:48:02,441
and I think also
laugh at himself.
2081
01:48:04,857 --> 01:48:06,514
This type
of performance art
2082
01:48:06,549 --> 01:48:09,310
was as much commentary
on what Banksy had become
2083
01:48:09,344 --> 01:48:11,761
as it was on the art economy.
2084
01:48:11,795 --> 01:48:15,074
With his status as the
world's most famous artist,
2085
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:17,387
Banksy was now inescapably part
2086
01:48:17,421 --> 01:48:20,528
of the over-inflated,
commercialism, fashion,
2087
01:48:20,563 --> 01:48:23,531
and celebrity of the
mainstream art world.
2088
01:48:23,566 --> 01:48:25,775
In a rare interview,
he openly wondered
2089
01:48:25,809 --> 01:48:28,502
whether he had become
part of the problem.
2090
01:48:28,536 --> 01:48:32,402
His celebrity was enhanced
by his much-prized anonymity,
2091
01:48:32,436 --> 01:48:34,300
a further paradox
that reached back
2092
01:48:34,335 --> 01:48:37,407
to the early days of graffiti,
in which the writers
2093
01:48:37,441 --> 01:48:39,996
simultaneously
sought citywide fame
2094
01:48:40,030 --> 01:48:42,274
and yet carefully
hid their real names.
2095
01:48:43,378 --> 01:48:45,588
Ever since he was
filmed at Tate Britain,
2096
01:48:45,622 --> 01:48:48,487
the public had been able to
associate the name Banksy
2097
01:48:48,522 --> 01:48:51,145
with a real figure, not
just an army of rats
2098
01:48:51,179 --> 01:48:53,975
and monkeys stamped
across British walls.
2099
01:48:54,010 --> 01:48:57,082
And yet, his true identity
remained out of reach.
2100
01:49:00,534 --> 01:49:04,227
For some, the hunt for
Banksy became an obsession.
2101
01:49:04,261 --> 01:49:07,610
Journalists, academics,
and amateur detectives
2102
01:49:07,644 --> 01:49:10,267
scoured public
records, business data,
2103
01:49:10,302 --> 01:49:12,442
and archives in Bristol.
2104
01:49:12,476 --> 01:49:14,893
Some even mapped the
appearance of Banksy's pieces
2105
01:49:14,927 --> 01:49:17,827
around the globe, correlating
them with Massive Attack
2106
01:49:17,861 --> 01:49:20,484
performances and
confidently announcing
2107
01:49:20,519 --> 01:49:22,556
that Banksy had been none other
2108
01:49:22,590 --> 01:49:24,558
than Robert Del Naja all along.
2109
01:49:26,214 --> 01:49:29,493
Others concluded that
Banksy was a phantom,
2110
01:49:29,528 --> 01:49:31,772
that whoever he
might have once been,
2111
01:49:31,806 --> 01:49:34,015
the name and mystery
were now just part
2112
01:49:34,050 --> 01:49:36,397
of a well-designed
publicity campaign.
2113
01:49:37,950 --> 01:49:40,574
Perhaps this was the
point about street art,
2114
01:49:40,608 --> 01:49:43,024
a democratic force
started by kids
2115
01:49:43,059 --> 01:49:46,580
with nothing but marker
pens and spray cans.
2116
01:49:46,614 --> 01:49:50,584
The world's most famous
artist could be anyone.
2117
01:49:53,690 --> 01:49:55,589
The anonymity with
Banksy was never
2118
01:49:55,623 --> 01:49:57,280
a kind of marketing
thing for him.
2119
01:49:57,314 --> 01:50:00,663
I think it was self-preservationrather than self-promotion.
2120
01:50:00,697 --> 01:50:04,563
And I think it just became
so ingrained in his soul
2121
01:50:04,598 --> 01:50:06,220
that I don't think
he'll ever go.
2122
01:50:08,153 --> 01:50:10,914
It adds a mystery, an aura.
2123
01:50:12,502 --> 01:50:15,056
You can't really divorce
that from the work, I think,
2124
01:50:15,091 --> 01:50:16,437
in how it's understood.
2125
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:20,786
It's a great story to
now know who he is.
2126
01:50:20,821 --> 01:50:22,270
Even when people know who he is,
2127
01:50:22,305 --> 01:50:23,858
they don't want
to know who he is.
2128
01:50:23,893 --> 01:50:25,619
It's a better story not to know.
2129
01:50:26,447 --> 01:50:28,725
The theories sort
of go on and on.
2130
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,039
Researchers can spend
days, weeks, years
2131
01:50:32,073 --> 01:50:35,076
deciding this proves
it's someone else.
2132
01:50:35,111 --> 01:50:36,837
This is part of the game.
2133
01:50:36,871 --> 01:50:41,427
In 2018, Sotheby's
auctioned Girl with Balloon,
2134
01:50:41,462 --> 01:50:44,672
a work originally conceived
as cheap art for the masses.
2135
01:50:44,707 --> 01:50:46,156
200,000.
2136
01:50:46,191 --> 01:50:49,539
It's final
price was 1,042,000 pounds,
2137
01:50:50,540 --> 01:50:52,715
a figure that had
been driven ever higher
2138
01:50:52,749 --> 01:50:54,889
in part to the enduring mystery
2139
01:50:54,924 --> 01:50:57,443
surrounding the world's
most famous artist
2140
01:50:57,478 --> 01:51:00,308
and the persistent question
of who he might be.
2141
01:51:05,728 --> 01:51:06,970
As the gavel came down,
2142
01:51:07,005 --> 01:51:09,179
and London's elite
started to applaud,
2143
01:51:09,214 --> 01:51:11,734
the public finally
received their answer.
2144
01:51:14,598 --> 01:51:15,979
He was a vandal.
2145
01:51:36,517 --> 01:51:37,414
Ladies
and gentlemen,
2146
01:51:37,449 --> 01:51:38,657
we are in the middle here.
2147
01:51:38,692 --> 01:51:41,556
Sorry, if I could
have your attention.
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