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Behind a strip center face-down
with his hands tied behind his

with his hands tied behind his
back.

Back.
>> we were all just belief and

>> we were all just belief and
thinking, "no, it can't be

thinking, "no, it can't be
him."

him."
>> it was not only one. It was

>> it was not only one. It was
two cold-blooded murders.

Two cold-blooded murders.
>> in the residence, there was

>> in the residence, there was
a great deal of blood. We found

a great deal of blood. We found
what would be described as a

what would be described as a
makeshift coffin.

Makeshift coffin.
>> it was pure profit, and it

>> it was pure profit, and it
was pure evil that they would

was pure evil that they would
do these things to different

do these things to different
people.

People.
>> a sex ad had been placed.

>> a sex ad had been placed.
The ad was for, "have sex with

the ad was for, "have sex with
me. My husband likes to watch."

me. My husband likes to watch."
>> he was not going to pull

>> he was not going to pull
over willingly. I was

over willingly. I was
absolutely in fear of my life.

Absolutely in fear of my life.
>> five unique perspectives.

>> five unique perspectives.
Five points of view. One

five points of view. One
murder.

Murder.
>> I'm rudy lopes'niece.

>> I'm rudy lopes'niece.
>> my name is butch matjeka.

>> my name is butch matjeka.
>> my name is dan downing.

>> my name is dan downing.
>> I was the lead investigator.

>> I was the lead investigator.
>> I was lead prosecutor.

>> I was lead prosecutor.
>> I was convicted of capital

>> I was convicted of capital
murder in 2003.

Murder in 2003.
>> I'm nicole acosta, and I am

>> I'm nicole acosta, and I am
rudy lopes'niece. My tío rudy

rudy lopes'niece. My tío rudy
was one of my favorite uncles.

Was one of my favorite uncles.
He grew up in san antonio. He

he grew up in san antonio. He
had two very loving parents. He

had two very loving parents. He
would always encourage my

would always encourage my
cousin and I to get good grades,

cousin and I to get good grades,
and every time we got an "a" on

and every time we got an "a" on
our report card, we would go to

our report card, we would go to
a restaurant. And he was just

a restaurant. And he was just
an overall, like, loving

an overall, like, loving
person. He would bring my aunt

person. He would bring my aunt
flowers just because it was,

flowers just because it was,
you know, Tuesday. He was

you know, Tuesday. He was
working as sheriff at the jail,

working as sheriff at the jail,
bexar county. He wore that

bexar county. He wore that
badge with a lot of pride. He

badge with a lot of pride. He
was able to climb the ranks

was able to climb the ranks
there at the bexar county jail

there at the bexar county jail
as a sheriff. He was very, very

as a sheriff. He was very, very
proud and very determined to

proud and very determined to
move up. And, you know, he

move up. And, you know, he
loved to do what he did. If

loved to do what he did. If
anyone was doing anything

anyone was doing anything
incorrectly or wrong, we would

incorrectly or wrong, we would
tell them, you know, "my tío

tell them, you know, "my tío
rudy's the sheriff, so he's

rudy's the sheriff, so he's
gonna come get you."

gonna come get you."
>> tío rudy and my tía alma

>> tío rudy and my tía alma
were honestly a love story. The

were honestly a love story. The
way they just got along

way they just got along
together, they never fought in

together, they never fought in
front of us, and I'm not even

front of us, and I'm not even
sure if they even fought about

sure if they even fought about
anything. When my tío rudy and

anything. When my tío rudy and
my tía alma got married, I was

my tía alma got married, I was
maybe a couple of months old.

Maybe a couple of months old.
They just loved each other so

they just loved each other so
much, and you could tell every

much, and you could tell every
time, you know, at family

time, you know, at family
events, tío rudy and tía alma

events, tío rudy and tía alma
were always together. And they

were always together. And they
would go to the coast every

would go to the coast every
single year for their

single year for their
anniversary. And actually, that

anniversary. And actually, that
year he was planning to go on a

year he was planning to go on a
cruise. The night of October

cruise. The night of October
11th, my tío rudy didn't show

11th, my tío rudy didn't show
up at home. At first, my tía

up at home. At first, my tía
alma was like, "oh, you know,

alma was like, "oh, you know,
maybe he picked up a second job,

maybe he picked up a second job,
" maybe, you know, he went out

" maybe, you know, he went out
with his friends and just

with his friends and just
forgot to tell her. When he

forgot to tell her. When he
wasn't answering his phone, he

wasn't answering his phone, he
still hadn't showed up hours

still hadn't showed up hours
later, she had called missing

later, she had called missing
persons and reached out to our

persons and reached out to our
family friend, who was also in

family friend, who was also in
the sheriff's department. I

the sheriff's department. I
know this is very, very unlike

know this is very, very unlike
my uncle rudy to not show up,

my uncle rudy to not show up,
not call. In the morning of

not call. In the morning of
Friday the 13th, I woke up at

Friday the 13th, I woke up at
3:00 in the morning and tried

3:00 in the morning and tried
to go back to sleep. And then I

to go back to sleep. And then I
heard the phone ringing. It

heard the phone ringing. It
just kept ringing and ringing,

just kept ringing and ringing,
and so finally, I was sitting

and so finally, I was sitting
up. I was about to go answer it,

up. I was about to go answer it,
to figure out who's calling at

to figure out who's calling at
this time. And then I heard my

this time. And then I heard my
mom's footsteps and she

mom's footsteps and she
answered the phone. And -- and

answered the phone. And -- and
she just started crying. I was

she just started crying. I was
in the fourth grade at the time,

in the fourth grade at the time,
so I didn't know what was

so I didn't know what was
happening. So I went to go

happening. So I went to go
comfort her. And then she told

comfort her. And then she told
me that my uncle had been shot.

Me that my uncle had been shot.
Our family friend actually knew

our family friend actually knew
what had happened to my uncle

what had happened to my uncle
rudy, but wasn't able to tell

rudy, but wasn't able to tell
my tía alma over the phone

my tía alma over the phone
'cause it wasn't correct

'cause it wasn't correct
protocol. I believe it was two

protocol. I believe it was two
deputies who showed up to break

deputies who showed up to break
the news to her, about where he

the news to her, about where he
was found and that he was

was found and that he was
found. She couldn't believe it.

Found. She couldn't believe it.
And she was like, "no, not my

and she was like, "no, not my
rudy. It can't be." like the

rudy. It can't be." like the
rest of the family, too, that

rest of the family, too, that
he's no longer with us.

He's no longer with us.

>> my name is butch matjeka,
and I was the lead investigator

and I was the lead investigator
on the murder of rudy lopes. On

on the murder of rudy lopes. On
October 12, 2000, it was late

October 12, 2000, it was late
in the afternoon. I was getting

in the afternoon. I was getting
ready to go home. Our shift was

ready to go home. Our shift was
just about ending. And our

just about ending. And our
office got a call for a doa, a

office got a call for a doa, a
body that was found out behind

body that was found out behind
a strip center off thousand

a strip center off thousand
oaks in north san antonio.

Oaks in north san antonio.
Rudy's body was found by some

rudy's body was found by some
young girls who were walking

young girls who were walking
behind the strip center. Course,

behind the strip center. Course,
they became very scared, ran

they became very scared, ran
home, and parents were the ones

home, and parents were the ones
that made the 9-1-1 call. He

that made the 9-1-1 call. He
was face-down with his hands

was face-down with his hands
tied behind his back. He had

tied behind his back. He had
another piece of cloth or a

another piece of cloth or a
shirt that was wrapped around

shirt that was wrapped around
his eyes as a kind of a

his eyes as a kind of a
blindfold. We didn't get a lot

blindfold. We didn't get a lot
of information from the girls.

Of information from the girls.
So we began what we call a

so we began what we call a
canvass. We start knocking on

canvass. We start knocking on
doors, talking to people and

doors, talking to people and
see if they heard anything, if

see if they heard anything, if
they saw anything. The owner of

they saw anything. The owner of
the karate school, charles

the karate school, charles
dudley, he told us that the

dudley, he told us that the
night before, as he was closing

night before, as he was closing
up, he saw a newer model chevy

up, he saw a newer model chevy
truck pull into the area at the

truck pull into the area at the
end of the strip center and go

end of the strip center and go
around behind it. And rudy had

around behind it. And rudy had
a brand new 2000 chevy truck,

a brand new 2000 chevy truck,
dual cab, gold in color.

Dual cab, gold in color.
Considering the time of the

considering the time of the
night, it was still fairly

night, it was still fairly
early, 9:00. I don't think he

early, 9:00. I don't think he
really thought anything illegal

really thought anything illegal
was going on. It was just

was going on. It was just
unusual for him to see it. And

unusual for him to see it. And
of course, it drew his

of course, it drew his
attention because that's his

attention because that's his
business. We didn't get much

business. We didn't get much
from anybody else in the strip

from anybody else in the strip
center, but as the story came

center, but as the story came
out on the news, we had a

out on the news, we had a
police officer that called us

police officer that called us
the very next day and told us

the very next day and told us
that while he was on patrol, he

that while he was on patrol, he
heard a gunshot go off. So with

heard a gunshot go off. So with
what mr. Dudley told us and

what mr. Dudley told us and
what the officer told us about

what the officer told us about
the time of hearing the gunshot,

the time of hearing the gunshot,
we were able to place rudy's

we were able to place rudy's
death around 10:00 that night.

Death around 10:00 that night.
We went and talked to alma

we went and talked to alma
lopes, rudy's wife. We learned

lopes, rudy's wife. We learned
that rudy had worked in the

that rudy had worked in the
jail. He was a jail sergeant at

jail. He was a jail sergeant at
the time, had a good

the time, had a good
reputation. Alma never gave us

reputation. Alma never gave us
any indication that rudy had

any indication that rudy had
any threats made, that anybody

any threats made, that anybody
was out for revenge from the

was out for revenge from the
jail. The only thing that kind

jail. The only thing that kind
of drew our attention was she

of drew our attention was she
told us that they were having

told us that they were having
some difficulty in the

some difficulty in the
marriage. It had been some time

marriage. It had been some time
since they had been together.

Since they had been together.
We pulled his bank records. We

we pulled his bank records. We
pulled all of his phone

pulled all of his phone
records. Basically just threw

records. Basically just threw
out a wide net. "let's see

out a wide net. "let's see
where he's been. Let's see what

where he's been. Let's see what
he's been doing." as we looked

he's been doing." as we looked
through his financial records,

through his financial records,
what we did see was there was a

what we did see was there was a
purchase made at frederick's of

purchase made at frederick's of
hollywood. I think it was

hollywood. I think it was
around $90. Alma told us he

around $90. Alma told us he
hadn't brought anything home

hadn't brought anything home
from frederick's. So at that

from frederick's. So at that
point, we started to believe

point, we started to believe
that we might be looking at

that we might be looking at
some type of an affair, but we

some type of an affair, but we
weren't really sure what we

weren't really sure what we
were looking at yet. We sent a

were looking at yet. We sent a
team of investigators to

team of investigators to
frederick's of hollywood to

frederick's of hollywood to
look into this. Clerks see so

look into this. Clerks see so
many people throughout the day.

Many people throughout the day.
It's hard for them to remember.

It's hard for them to remember.
But amazingly, the clerk in

but amazingly, the clerk in
this particular case did

this particular case did
remember rudy from the

remember rudy from the
description. She also

description. She also
remembered that when rudy came

remembered that when rudy came
in, he was with two people, a

in, he was with two people, a
young girl and another male.

Young girl and another male.
And her idea, when this

and her idea, when this
purchase was made, was that

purchase was made, was that
rudy was buying the negligee

rudy was buying the negligee
for the young girl. We asked

for the young girl. We asked
about whether he seemed to be

about whether he seemed to be
coerced. And her response to us

coerced. And her response to us
was, "no, this was very willing,

was, "no, this was very willing,
very voluntary." there was

very voluntary." there was
nothing that would give her any

nothing that would give her any
indication that anything was

indication that anything was
wrong at that time. As we

wrong at that time. As we
continued to look through

continued to look through
rudy's financial records, we

rudy's financial records, we
found out that there were two

found out that there were two
withdrawals from an atm machine

withdrawals from an atm machine
from rudy's bank on the day

from rudy's bank on the day
that we believe he was

that we believe he was
kidnapped and murdered. One of

kidnapped and murdered. One of
the withdrawals was for $100.

The withdrawals was for $100.
The other withdrawal was for

the other withdrawal was for
$300. We went to rudy's bank,

$300. We went to rudy's bank,
and they were able to find

and they were able to find
video footage that showed a

video footage that showed a
young girl driving a -- what

young girl driving a -- what
appears to be a newer chevy

appears to be a newer chevy
model truck, leaning out the

model truck, leaning out the
window, putting in the pin

window, putting in the pin
number and making both

number and making both
withdrawals before she drove

withdrawals before she drove
away. Rudy wasn't in the video.

Away. Rudy wasn't in the video.
So we continued to look through

so we continued to look through
his telephone records, and we

his telephone records, and we
found a number of calls that

found a number of calls that
had been placed to a number of

had been placed to a number of
hotels along the ih-35 corridor

hotels along the ih-35 corridor
in san antonio. We sent a team

in san antonio. We sent a team
of investigators to the hotels.

Of investigators to the hotels.
And again, thankfully, we came

and again, thankfully, we came
across a clerk who remembered

across a clerk who remembered
the calls being made. They

the calls being made. They
showed her the picture from the

showed her the picture from the
atm. The clerk remembered the

atm. The clerk remembered the
woman and identified her from

woman and identified her from
checking in as a girl named

checking in as a girl named
trina dorris. Well, we don't

trina dorris. Well, we don't
have a lot of information on

have a lot of information on
trina dorris, other than her

trina dorris, other than her
name. So, there's not a whole

name. So, there's not a whole
lot we can do. We continue to

lot we can do. We continue to
comb through his telephone

comb through his telephone
records, and we find a phone

records, and we find a phone
number that he made four phone

number that he made four phone
calls to the day he died. That

calls to the day he died. That
comes back to a robert brown.

Comes back to a robert brown.
We went to talk to mr. Brown.

We went to talk to mr. Brown.
When we talked to mr. Brown, he

when we talked to mr. Brown, he
remembered rudy lopes calling

remembered rudy lopes calling
his home, trying to get in

his home, trying to get in
touch with a woman who had been

touch with a woman who had been
staying with him. He also

staying with him. He also
identified the woman as trina

identified the woman as trina
dorris. He also told us that

dorris. He also told us that
she was with a man who

she was with a man who
identified himself as mo.

Identified himself as mo.
Robert brown had contacted

robert brown had contacted
trina dorris and mo at the time

trina dorris and mo at the time
in response to a sex ad that

in response to a sex ad that
had been placed in a magazine

had been placed in a magazine
in san antonio called "the

in san antonio called "the
current." the ad was for, "have

current." the ad was for, "have
sex with me. My husband likes

sex with me. My husband likes
to watch." that never happened,

to watch." that never happened,
although the promise of sex

although the promise of sex
kept coming. They told him they

kept coming. They told him they
were from out of town. They

were from out of town. They
didn't have a place to stay. He

didn't have a place to stay. He
allowed them to come to the

allowed them to come to the
house and stay with him for a

house and stay with him for a
couple of nights. He remembered

couple of nights. He remembered
that on the day that rudy lopes

that on the day that rudy lopes
was killed, rudy called his

was killed, rudy called his
house four times looking for

house four times looking for
trina, trying to get in touch

trina, trying to get in touch
with her. Rudy had been

with her. Rudy had been
scheduled to meet with her,

scheduled to meet with her,
allegedly to have sex that day.

Allegedly to have sex that day.
Robert did tell us that trina

robert did tell us that trina
was a dancer, and she was going

was a dancer, and she was going
out looking for work as a

out looking for work as a
dancer. And so, what that

dancer. And so, what that
necessitated was for the

necessitated was for the
homicide unit to visit almost

homicide unit to visit almost
every strip club there was in

every strip club there was in
san antonio at that time. We

san antonio at that time. We
sent investigators out

sent investigators out
primarily around the area where

primarily around the area where
he worked, but we did visit as

he worked, but we did visit as
many strip clubs as we possibly

many strip clubs as we possibly
could. We got lucky. We

could. We got lucky. We
actually found a strip club on

actually found a strip club on
410, where trina was working

410, where trina was working
for a short period of time. And

for a short period of time. And
in finding that, we were able

in finding that, we were able
to get her driver's license.

To get her driver's license.
Now we have something we can

now we have something we can
look into for trina dorris.

Look into for trina dorris.

>> my name's dan downing. I'm
one of the investigators that

one of the investigators that
worked a murder case just south

worked a murder case just south
of indianapolis in 2000. We

of indianapolis in 2000. We
received information from san

received information from san
antonio officials that they had

antonio officials that they had
a similar case with an

a similar case with an
individual that was shot and

individual that was shot and
killed there, rudy lopes. There

killed there, rudy lopes. There
were some differences in rudy

were some differences in rudy
lopes'death. However, they were

lopes'death. However, they were
both bound behind the back.

Both bound behind the back.
Both of the individuals were

both of the individuals were
shot in the head. Just prior to

shot in the head. Just prior to
8:00 a.M., I was notified by

8:00 a.M., I was notified by
our communications center of a

our communications center of a
request for investigators at a

request for investigators at a
residence. I spoke with our

residence. I spoke with our
uniformed officers that were on

uniformed officers that were on
the scene. They kind of gave me

the scene. They kind of gave me
the rundown of what had taken

the rundown of what had taken
place. The homeowner was found

place. The homeowner was found
in the trunk of a burning

in the trunk of a burning
vehicle just north of morgan

vehicle just north of morgan
county. A passerby reported the

county. A passerby reported the
car fire. It was just off of a

car fire. It was just off of a
state highway. We learned via

state highway. We learned via
dental records that it was

dental records that it was
robby bott. He was an airplane

robby bott. He was an airplane
mechanic locally here in

mechanic locally here in
indianapolis. Basically, a

indianapolis. Basically, a
divorced father, kept to

divorced father, kept to
himself. Mr. Bott's home was

himself. Mr. Bott's home was
extremely neat. Everything had

extremely neat. Everything had
a place, and you could tell

a place, and you could tell
that it was very well taken

that it was very well taken
care of, but items were

care of, but items were
missing. So, there were

missing. So, there were
imprints from where a stereo

imprints from where a stereo
would have been sitting and

would have been sitting and
different electronic items in

different electronic items in
the house. We found in the

the house. We found in the
kitchen area two chairs that

kitchen area two chairs that
were facing each other and a

were facing each other and a
large pile of cigarette ashes

large pile of cigarette ashes
to the side of one of those

to the side of one of those
chairs. There was also a small

chairs. There was also a small
amount of blood droplets that

amount of blood droplets that
were located around the chair.

Were located around the chair.
That went along with our theory

that went along with our theory
that some type of an

that some type of an
interrogation or negotiation

interrogation or negotiation
that had taken place there in

that had taken place there in
the kitchen because they were

the kitchen because they were
low-velocity droplets, like

low-velocity droplets, like
someone had been struck. There

someone had been struck. There
were a couple fingerprints, but

were a couple fingerprints, but
the majority of the surfaces,

the majority of the surfaces,
as we printed every surface in

as we printed every surface in
the residence, we found that

the residence, we found that
they had been wiped off. On day

they had been wiped off. On day
two of the investigation, we

two of the investigation, we
received a call from the

received a call from the
speedway police department that

speedway police department that
an identification belonging to

an identification belonging to
robby bott had been located in

robby bott had been located in
a rental property in speedway.

A rental property in speedway.
The actual landlord had been

the actual landlord had been
evicting his current tenants.

Evicting his current tenants.
He had hired a cleaning crew to

he had hired a cleaning crew to
come in and clean out all the

come in and clean out all the
property of the tenants that

property of the tenants that
were living in the residence.

Were living in the residence.
When they lifted up a couch

when they lifted up a couch
cushion, they found a .22 rifle

cushion, they found a .22 rifle
and also the wallet. There was

and also the wallet. There was
a great deal of blood that went

a great deal of blood that went
from the garage area through

from the garage area through
the service door into the

the service door into the
residence, and then down the

residence, and then down the
stairway. Once we got to the

stairway. Once we got to the
basement, we found a wardrobe

basement, we found a wardrobe
that was lying on its back and

that was lying on its back and
had a padlock hasp attached to

had a padlock hasp attached to
the front of it. There was a

the front of it. There was a
bullet projectile that was in

bullet projectile that was in
the box itself. There was also

the box itself. There was also
a pillow that had a

a pillow that had a
through-and-through gunshot

through-and-through gunshot
wound, which would have been

wound, which would have been
indicative to using a pillow

indicative to using a pillow
over the end of a firearm as a

over the end of a firearm as a
suppressor to muffle the sound.

Suppressor to muffle the sound.
A lot of the items that we

a lot of the items that we
found missing from mr. Bott's

found missing from mr. Bott's
house were now being utilized

house were now being utilized
in the speedway home. It

in the speedway home. It
started to become more apparent

started to become more apparent
that mr. Bott was encountered

that mr. Bott was encountered
at his residence in some way

at his residence in some way
and then taken to the secondary

and then taken to the secondary
location in speedway, where he

location in speedway, where he
was then kept for a period of

was then kept for a period of
time until his final demise.

Time until his final demise.
Initially, we found some credit

initially, we found some credit
card receipts at mr. Bott's

card receipts at mr. Bott's
residence. The wallet did not

residence. The wallet did not
have any credit cards. So we

have any credit cards. So we
started running through the

started running through the
different credit services mr.

Different credit services mr.
Bott's information in an

bott's information in an
attempt to find out or trace

attempt to find out or trace
his last steps. We found that

his last steps. We found that
during the timeframe that mr.

During the timeframe that mr.
Bott was abducted, he had went

bott was abducted, he had went
to several locations and

to several locations and
actually purchased numerous

actually purchased numerous
household items. Generally,

household items. Generally,
people don't go on a shopping

people don't go on a shopping
spree right before their death.

Spree right before their death.
We sent investigators to those

we sent investigators to those
specific merchants to hopefully

specific merchants to hopefully
obtain surveillance video. In

obtain surveillance video. In
one of the stores, mr. Bott was

one of the stores, mr. Bott was
walking along, pushing a

walking along, pushing a
shopping cart that was full of

shopping cart that was full of
numerous items. He was

numerous items. He was
accompanied by a female. Mr.

Accompanied by a female. Mr.
Bott is shown in the video

bott is shown in the video
looking up at the camera and

looking up at the camera and
mouthing, "help me." during the

mouthing, "help me." during the
examination of the bank records,

examination of the bank records,
we found that there were

we found that there were
purchases not only here in

purchases not only here in
indiana at a local sex shop,

indiana at a local sex shop,
but also in san antonio, texas,

but also in san antonio, texas,
at a similar type of shop. We

at a similar type of shop. We
also know that there's a female

also know that there's a female
that's involved. So we also go

that's involved. So we also go
back to mr. Bott's residence.

Back to mr. Bott's residence.
We found in the master bedroom

we found in the master bedroom
but there was an empty condom

but there was an empty condom
wrapper lying on the floor next

wrapper lying on the floor next
to the bed. We also found that

to the bed. We also found that
the bed sheets of the master

the bed sheets of the master
bedroom were gone. So at that

bedroom were gone. So at that
point, we're looking at, "was

point, we're looking at, "was
this a sexual encounter gone

this a sexual encounter gone
wrong? Was this some type of

wrong? Was this some type of
hook-up, some type of a

hook-up, some type of a
prostitution element that had

prostitution element that had
went wrong for mr. Bott? "

went wrong for mr. Bott? "
during communications with san

during communications with san
antonio police department, we

antonio police department, we
learned that, through credit

learned that, through credit
card statements, there were

card statements, there were
purchases made in san antonio,

purchases made in san antonio,
texas, and they had a similar

texas, and they had a similar
case with an individual that

case with an individual that
was shot and killed there and a

was shot and killed there and a
male and female suspect who may

male and female suspect who may
have been using aliases,

have been using aliases,
possibly a trina dorris and a

possibly a trina dorris and a
male by the name of mo. We were

male by the name of mo. We were
able to identify trina dorris,

able to identify trina dorris,
speak with her, and send

speak with her, and send
photographs to san antonio

photographs to san antonio
police department so that they

police department so that they
can compare with their videos.

Can compare with their videos.
It was not trina dorris. The

it was not trina dorris. The
landlord in speedway was

landlord in speedway was
forthcoming with the

forthcoming with the
information of who was renting

information of who was renting
from him at that point time. He

from him at that point time. He
had originally made an

had originally made an
agreement with the individuals

agreement with the individuals
that were living there that

that were living there that
they were gonna do some

they were gonna do some
maintenance to the residence in

maintenance to the residence in
lieu of paying rent. They

lieu of paying rent. They
hadn't been doing the

hadn't been doing the
maintenance they agreed to, so

maintenance they agreed to, so
he was going to evict them. The

he was going to evict them. The
folks that actually rented the

folks that actually rented the
place was tess mcfarland and

place was tess mcfarland and
joshua maxwell. Trina was a

joshua maxwell. Trina was a
friend of tess mcfarland and

friend of tess mcfarland and
apparently had been using her

apparently had been using her
information as an alias. We

information as an alias. We
were able to run criminal

were able to run criminal
histories and obtain booking

histories and obtain booking
photos of both those

photos of both those
individuals. We then compared

individuals. We then compared
all of those photographs

all of those photographs
against the videos here in

against the videos here in
indiana, as well as the video

indiana, as well as the video
from san antonio, texas, to

from san antonio, texas, to
confirm that the people we were

confirm that the people we were
looking for, in fact, was tess

looking for, in fact, was tess
mcfarland and joshua maxwell.

Mcfarland and joshua maxwell.

>> my name is tessie mcfarland.
I was born in the outskirts of

I was born in the outskirts of
indianapolis, around wanamaker.

Indianapolis, around wanamaker.
My biological father was killed

my biological father was killed
when I was 2, but my mother

when I was 2, but my mother
remarried early on, and my

remarried early on, and my
stepfather raised me as his

stepfather raised me as his
own. In my freshman year, I met

own. In my freshman year, I met
my son's father, and we got

my son's father, and we got
together and stayed together

together and stayed together
for several years. Money was

for several years. Money was
just so tight that when we

just so tight that when we
broke up, I was kind of on my

broke up, I was kind of on my
own. Josh maxwell, he was a

own. Josh maxwell, he was a
friend of my brother's, and my

friend of my brother's, and my
brother's friends, and during a

brother's friends, and during a
summer that I was going to

summer that I was going to
driver's ed, I was at a party

driver's ed, I was at a party
where we all sat around and was

where we all sat around and was
watching basketball. That's the

watching basketball. That's the
first time I'd ever been

first time I'd ever been
introduced to him, and I was 15

introduced to him, and I was 15
at that time. Fast-forward five

at that time. Fast-forward five
years, I reconnected with josh

years, I reconnected with josh
maxwell after he had been

maxwell after he had been
released from prison. He's

released from prison. He's
looking for my brother, my

looking for my brother, my
stepsister, and people that he

stepsister, and people that he
hung out with. Somehow, he ran

hung out with. Somehow, he ran
across my telephone number. I

across my telephone number. I
was just like, "oh, wow, " you

was just like, "oh, wow, " you
know, blast-from-the-past type

know, blast-from-the-past type
thing. I believe our romance

thing. I believe our romance
was an absolute whirlwind. He

was an absolute whirlwind. He
immediately moved in, where I

immediately moved in, where I
was living at the time. Like,

was living at the time. Like,
from almost -- from probably

from almost -- from probably
two weeks in, we just had a

two weeks in, we just had a
very strong connection from the

very strong connection from the
very beginning. It happened so

very beginning. It happened so
quickly that I think that's

quickly that I think that's
also part of the reason why I

also part of the reason why I
never seen red flags. I

never seen red flags. I
originally met robby bott in

originally met robby bott in
the bar that I was working at,

the bar that I was working at,
and he had worked for federal

and he had worked for federal
express and had been talking

express and had been talking
about openings in his job, how

about openings in his job, how
well they paid or whatever, and

well they paid or whatever, and
so I had got a business card

so I had got a business card
from him. I thought this would

from him. I thought this would
be a great fit for josh. They

be a great fit for josh. They
started to set up meetings

started to set up meetings
where he could meet him in

where he could meet him in
person and show him around. He

person and show him around. He
had came to our house. I had

had came to our house. I had
been to his house. I never

been to his house. I never
really realized that there was

really realized that there was
maybe an underlining tone there,

maybe an underlining tone there,
maybe that he expected more out

maybe that he expected more out
of me and josh. I went to my

of me and josh. I went to my
sister's house to spend the

sister's house to spend the
night with her, her children,

night with her, her children,
and my son. We were gonna all

and my son. We were gonna all
get up and go somewhere the

get up and go somewhere the
next day, and apparently, robby

next day, and apparently, robby
and josh got into a pretty bad

and josh got into a pretty bad
argument in the basement of the

argument in the basement of the
house that we were renting at

house that we were renting at
the time. He shot and killed

the time. He shot and killed
him. To my knowledge, joshua

him. To my knowledge, joshua
put robby's body in the trunk

put robby's body in the trunk
of a car and lit the car on

of a car and lit the car on
fire. I absolutely was forced

fire. I absolutely was forced
into leaving indiana. I would

into leaving indiana. I would
have never left my child behind,

have never left my child behind,
period, consequences be (bleep)

period, consequences be (bleep)
I would have stayed. Josh was

I would have stayed. Josh was
not going to allow me to stay

not going to allow me to stay
because he felt like I knew too

because he felt like I knew too
much and that whatever I said

much and that whatever I said
would lead the cops directly to

would lead the cops directly to
where he would go. I was

where he would go. I was
handcuffed to every bed, every

handcuffed to every bed, every
bedpost. He took the handset

bedpost. He took the handset
off of every telephone in every

off of every telephone in every
hotel room. I never went

hotel room. I never went
anywhere by myself. I was

anywhere by myself. I was
absolutely in fear of my life.

Absolutely in fear of my life.
One time I was able to write a

one time I was able to write a
note to the hotel clerk. I

note to the hotel clerk. I
would try to sneak it in, in

would try to sneak it in, in
between the stacks of bills

between the stacks of bills
that I was paying with. And I

that I was paying with. And I
don't know if they just thought

don't know if they just thought
it was a joke or they just

it was a joke or they just
never looked into it, but

never looked into it, but
nobody ever contacted or

nobody ever contacted or
reached out to any number that

reached out to any number that
I left. We arrive at san

I left. We arrive at san
antonio, and the car that we

antonio, and the car that we
were driving has got mechanical

were driving has got mechanical
problems. We go into a shoney's

problems. We go into a shoney's
restaurant, and not knowing at

restaurant, and not knowing at
this time, I guess josh had

this time, I guess josh had
also contacted rudy lopes. To

also contacted rudy lopes. To
my knowledge, a sexual ad was

my knowledge, a sexual ad was
placed with josh and an

placed with josh and an
ex-boyfriend of his by the name

ex-boyfriend of his by the name
of trina, and it just happened

of trina, and it just happened
to be something that was a

to be something that was a
longstanding or a long-running

longstanding or a long-running
thing and you have to cancel

thing and you have to cancel
it. I don't know if it was a

it. I don't know if it was a
newspaper thing. I don't even

newspaper thing. I don't even
know anything about it.

Know anything about it.
Apparently, rudy had left a

apparently, rudy had left a
message in his inbox, and he

message in his inbox, and he
had gotten ahold of him. He

had gotten ahold of him. He
comes into the restaurant and

comes into the restaurant and
sits down and tells josh that a

sits down and tells josh that a
cousin of his drives a tow

cousin of his drives a tow
truck and he could get our car

truck and he could get our car
towed to a mechanic, and he

towed to a mechanic, and he
would give us a ride back to

would give us a ride back to
the hotel. At that time, I

the hotel. At that time, I
thought rudy lopes was an

thought rudy lopes was an
absolute stranger and just

absolute stranger and just
being nice, helping us with the

being nice, helping us with the
car. Later on is when I find

car. Later on is when I find
out that this was all a setup.

Out that this was all a setup.
This was something that josh

this was something that josh
had planned. When we go to pick

had planned. When we go to pick
up the car later on that night,

up the car later on that night,
there was a bunch of trash in

there was a bunch of trash in
the bed of his truck, and it

the bed of his truck, and it
was rolling around, making a

was rolling around, making a
lot of noise and he was

lot of noise and he was
complaining about it. So he

complaining about it. So he
wanted to get rid of it, and he

wanted to get rid of it, and he
felt like it was scratching the

felt like it was scratching the
bed of the truck up. And so, he

bed of the truck up. And so, he
asked, could he please pull in

asked, could he please pull in
there because he saw a

there because he saw a
dumpster. I was inside the

dumpster. I was inside the
truck, and I have the radio on.

Truck, and I have the radio on.
I heard what I thought, like,

I heard what I thought, like,
was a car backfiring. Josh

was a car backfiring. Josh
explains, then, that they got

explains, then, that they got
into a physical altercation.

Into a physical altercation.
There was a discrepancy with

there was a discrepancy with
the amount of money that was

the amount of money that was
paid to have the car fixed and

paid to have the car fixed and
a gun was pulled and ultimately,

a gun was pulled and ultimately,
mr. Lopes was shot. I asked

mr. Lopes was shot. I asked
josh then, "what now? We have

josh then, "what now? We have
to go back and see what's

to go back and see what's
happened." and he's, like, not

happened." and he's, like, not
going to go for that. He gets

going to go for that. He gets
on the highway immediately and

on the highway immediately and
just starts driving. We arrived

just starts driving. We arrived
in california middle of the day

in california middle of the day
and was looking for a hotel to

and was looking for a hotel to
stay in. We pull into a gas

stay in. We pull into a gas
station and go in to get gas

station and go in to get gas
and ask for directions, and we

and ask for directions, and we
no sooner get pulled out and I

no sooner get pulled out and I
notice that there is a cop

notice that there is a cop
behind us. The police officer

behind us. The police officer
looks like, to me, that he is

looks like, to me, that he is
running the plates of this

running the plates of this
truck. And I told josh. He just

truck. And I told josh. He just
tells me to put my seatbelt on.

Tells me to put my seatbelt on.
And that, of course, was his

and that, of course, was his
way of saying that he was not

way of saying that he was not
going to pull over willingly.

Going to pull over willingly.
He shoots right behind my head.

He shoots right behind my head.
And then he shoots another shot

and then he shoots another shot
out the side window that's

out the side window that's
rolled down. The rest of the

rolled down. The rest of the
shots that were fired were by

shots that were fired were by
the san francisco police

the san francisco police
department. A motorcycle cop

department. A motorcycle cop
pulled right up on the side of

pulled right up on the side of
the car and shot into the cab

the car and shot into the cab
window, and it knocked the cab

window, and it knocked the cab
window out and went into my

window out and went into my
neck. Josh is now going down

neck. Josh is now going down
one-way streets. He's hit two

one-way streets. He's hit two
cars. I mean, it's become mass

cars. I mean, it's become mass
chaos and confusion. And the

chaos and confusion. And the
whole time, I have a bullet in

whole time, I have a bullet in
my neck. I start to freak out.

My neck. I start to freak out.
I'm bleeding a lot, losing a

I'm bleeding a lot, losing a
lot of blood, and so I take a

lot of blood, and so I take a
towel and I wrap around my neck

towel and I wrap around my neck
and I tell them to let my mom

and I tell them to let my mom
and my son know that I love

and my son know that I love
them.

Them.

>> my name is jim kopp. I was
lead prosecutor in the capital

lead prosecutor in the capital
murder prosecutions of joshua

murder prosecutions of joshua
maxwell and tessie mcfarland.

Maxwell and tessie mcfarland.
When this case occurred, I was

when this case occurred, I was
chief of the intake division of

chief of the intake division of
the bexar county district

the bexar county district
attorney's office. We were

attorney's office. We were
aware of the murder of rudy

aware of the murder of rudy
lopes, but at that point in

lopes, but at that point in
time, we did not know who had

time, we did not know who had
committed the offense. The

committed the offense. The
district attorney got a call

district attorney got a call
from san francisco saying that

from san francisco saying that
they had apprehended two people

they had apprehended two people
that were involved in it. On

that were involved in it. On
October 17th, in san francisco,

October 17th, in san francisco,
joshua maxwell and tessie

joshua maxwell and tessie
mcfarland were in rudy

mcfarland were in rudy
lopes'stolen pickup truck. They

lopes'stolen pickup truck. They
had run a red light. So a san

had run a red light. So a san
francisco police officer pulled

francisco police officer pulled
them over. When he approached,

them over. When he approached,
they took off in the vehicle.

They took off in the vehicle.
He ran back to his car and gave

he ran back to his car and gave
chase. There was a gunfight

chase. There was a gunfight
through the streets of san

through the streets of san
francisco about 5:00 in the

francisco about 5:00 in the
afternoon. Ultimately, they

afternoon. Ultimately, they
were able to stop them by a

were able to stop them by a
police officer knowing that

police officer knowing that
their direction of travel

their direction of travel
pulled crosswise into traffic,

pulled crosswise into traffic,
so nobody could go forward. So

so nobody could go forward. So
they were able to stop the

they were able to stop the
truck and get them out. During

truck and get them out. During
the pursuit and gunfight in san

the pursuit and gunfight in san
francisco, the only person

francisco, the only person
injured was tessie mcfarland.

Injured was tessie mcfarland.
She was hit by a bullet. The

she was hit by a bullet. The
san francisco police officers

san francisco police officers
had no idea the car was stolen.

Had no idea the car was stolen.
They were simply pulling it

they were simply pulling it
over for a red light. It was

over for a red light. It was
not known that joshua maxwell

not known that joshua maxwell
and tessie mcfarland were

and tessie mcfarland were
involved in an incident in

involved in an incident in
indianapolis until after they

indianapolis until after they
were apprehended in san

were apprehended in san
francisco.

Francisco.
>> josh, what kind of vehicle

>> josh, what kind of vehicle
were you in?

Were you in?
>> uh, a gold chevy truck.

>> uh, a gold chevy truck.
>> whose truck is that, josh?

>> whose truck is that, josh?
>> rudy, rudolph lopes.

>> rudy, rudolph lopes.
>> josh, how is it that we came

>> josh, how is it that we came
to be here today?

To be here today?
>> uh, they pulled me over.

>> uh, they pulled me over.
>> the cops tried to pull you

>> the cops tried to pull you
over?

Over?
>> yeah. That's when I hit the

>> yeah. That's when I hit the
gas.

Gas.
>> how come? How come you took

>> how come? How come you took
off?

Off?
>> uh, because I'm wanted back

>> uh, because I'm wanted back
home.

Home.
>> for what?

>> for what?
>> uh, murder.

>> uh, murder.
>> josh pretty much wanted to

>> josh pretty much wanted to
take full responsibility for

take full responsibility for
the crime, and he did what

the crime, and he did what
little he could to try to

little he could to try to
shield tessie from the

shield tessie from the
consequences of what they'd

consequences of what they'd
done. In terms of robby bott,

done. In terms of robby bott,
we know both from the

we know both from the
statements joshua made, as well

statements joshua made, as well
as the evidence recovered in

as the evidence recovered in
indianapolis, that joshua and

indianapolis, that joshua and
tessie were in robby bott's

tessie were in robby bott's
house. They watched a movie, we

house. They watched a movie, we
believe. At that point in time,

believe. At that point in time,
we believe they abducted robby

we believe they abducted robby
bott. What they did is they

bott. What they did is they
took him to the basement of the

took him to the basement of the
house that they were fixing up

house that they were fixing up
in indianapolis, put him in a

in indianapolis, put him in a
wardrobe in the basement, and

wardrobe in the basement, and
locked it. They went back to

locked it. They went back to
his house, took all kinds of

his house, took all kinds of
items -- vacuum cleaners, all

items -- vacuum cleaners, all
kinds of things. Then they went

kinds of things. Then they went
back to the house. At that

back to the house. At that
point in time, they let him out

point in time, they let him out
of the closet, took him

of the closet, took him
upstairs, and they had him take

upstairs, and they had him take
them shopping. They went to a

them shopping. They went to a
store in indianapolis and

store in indianapolis and
charged up about $2,000 on his

charged up about $2,000 on his
credit card. And we have a

credit card. And we have a
video of this. Then they take

video of this. Then they take
him back to the house in

him back to the house in
indianapolis, then lock him

indianapolis, then lock him
back up in the wardrobe. They

back up in the wardrobe. They
take a pillow, shoot robby bott

take a pillow, shoot robby bott
several times, take the body,

several times, take the body,
put it in the trunk of his car,

put it in the trunk of his car,
drive it to a deserted area

drive it to a deserted area
outside of indianapolis, and

outside of indianapolis, and
set the car on fire. Well, both

set the car on fire. Well, both
people, robby bott and rudy

people, robby bott and rudy
lopes, made contact with joshua

lopes, made contact with joshua
and tessie through some type of

and tessie through some type of
advertisement for sexual

advertisement for sexual
services. We don't really know

services. We don't really know
what hold they had over him,

what hold they had over him,
but I figured there was

but I figured there was
probably some type of

probably some type of
blackmail. I don't recall him

blackmail. I don't recall him
ever giving a motive for the

ever giving a motive for the
killing. There was other

killing. There was other
videotapes which we had

videotapes which we had
recovered in which he indicated

recovered in which he indicated
a very strong dislike for the

a very strong dislike for the
police. But other than that, we

police. But other than that, we
didn't really have any

didn't really have any
particular motive, other than

particular motive, other than
probably just pure greed. After

probably just pure greed. After
hearing the interview of joshua

hearing the interview of joshua
maxwell, the detectives did

maxwell, the detectives did
want to talk to tessie. Tessie

want to talk to tessie. Tessie
he was in the hospital

he was in the hospital
undergoing medical treatment.

Undergoing medical treatment.
She never indicated that she

she never indicated that she
was involved in what had

was involved in what had
occurred during her statements

occurred during her statements
to the police.

To the police.
>> I mean, you have to

>> I mean, you have to
understand the -- the situation

understand the -- the situation
I'm in. If I don't do

I'm in. If I don't do
everything he says --

everything he says --
>> we understand that.

>> we understand that.
>> one phone call, and my

>> one phone call, and my
family could be dead. That is

family could be dead. That is
the only reason I never went to

the only reason I never went to
the police before this. Because

the police before this. Because
I was scared. All the facts and

I was scared. All the facts and
circumstances surrounding this

circumstances surrounding this
case led us to believe that

case led us to believe that
tessie was fully involved in

tessie was fully involved in
everything that occurred. We

everything that occurred. We
don't believe she pulled the

don't believe she pulled the
trigger. There were certainly

trigger. There were certainly
no evidence of that. But there

no evidence of that. But there
was also no evidence that she

was also no evidence that she
wasn't involved in every aspect

wasn't involved in every aspect
of what went down. Before I

of what went down. Before I
went to san francisco, all we

went to san francisco, all we
really knew is that they were

really knew is that they were
apprehended in rudy lopes'car.

Apprehended in rudy lopes'car.
We didn't have a whole bunch

we didn't have a whole bunch
more evidence at that point in

more evidence at that point in
time. But once we heard from

time. But once we heard from
the san francisco detectives

the san francisco detectives
that joshua had confessed to

that joshua had confessed to
what had occurred in san

what had occurred in san
antonio, at that point in time,

antonio, at that point in time,
we had a pretty strong case.

We had a pretty strong case.
The district attorney of bexar

the district attorney of bexar
county called me into her

county called me into her
office and told me to fly up to

office and told me to fly up to
san francisco because she

san francisco because she
wanted me to make every effort

wanted me to make every effort
to see that we could get him

to see that we could get him
back to texas to stand trial.

Back to texas to stand trial.
One of the main reasons was

one of the main reasons was
that they had killed a texas

that they had killed a texas
police officer. And of course,

police officer. And of course,
it was a horrendous offense

it was a horrendous offense
that we certainly wanted them

that we certainly wanted them
to face justice for. It was my

to face justice for. It was my
understanding from indiana that

understanding from indiana that
they would not be able to put

they would not be able to put
on in their trial what had

on in their trial what had
occurred in texas, whereas in

occurred in texas, whereas in
texas, in our punishment phase

texas, in our punishment phase
of the capital murder trial, we

of the capital murder trial, we
could put on what occurred in

could put on what occurred in
indiana. The jury would know it

indiana. The jury would know it
was not only one murder. It was

was not only one murder. It was
two cold-blooded murders

two cold-blooded murders
committed for profit.

Committed for profit.

>> when I heard about the
shoot-out in san francisco with

shoot-out in san francisco with
josh maxwell and tessie

josh maxwell and tessie
mcfarland and that they had

mcfarland and that they had
been the ones who were accused

been the ones who were accused
of killing my tío rudy, I was

of killing my tío rudy, I was
extremely thankful whenever

extremely thankful whenever
they did catch them.

They did catch them.
>> we had numerous items

>> we had numerous items
linking them back to the crime

linking them back to the crime
here in indiana. There were

here in indiana. There were
also witnesses that were

also witnesses that were
placing them in san antonio. We

placing them in san antonio. We
had video evidence. We had

had video evidence. We had
fingerprints. The evidence was

fingerprints. The evidence was
definitely overwhelming against

definitely overwhelming against
both.

Both.
>> joshua and tessie were

>> joshua and tessie were
indicted for capital murder,

indicted for capital murder,
but we couldn't try them

but we couldn't try them
together. Joshua had prior

together. Joshua had prior
convictions out of indiana, so

convictions out of indiana, so
because of that, we could not

because of that, we could not
try tessie with him.

Try tessie with him.
>> josh stood trial in February

>> josh stood trial in February
of 2002. We attended that trial

of 2002. We attended that trial
and presented evidence from the

and presented evidence from the
indiana case. Josh had already

indiana case. Josh had already
confessed to being the trigger

confessed to being the trigger
man and being the mastermind

man and being the mastermind
behind this entire crime spree.

Behind this entire crime spree.
>> I followed that trial like

>> I followed that trial like
nobody's business. I wish I was

nobody's business. I wish I was
a little bit older, so I could

a little bit older, so I could
have been a little bit more

have been a little bit more
involved, but I guess it's kind

involved, but I guess it's kind
of a good thing. I've heard it

of a good thing. I've heard it
was pretty graphic with all the

was pretty graphic with all the
pictures in there.

Pictures in there.
>> when joshua and tessie were

>> when joshua and tessie were
apprehended in san francisco,

apprehended in san francisco,
in the truck were some

in the truck were some
videotapes and a video camera

videotapes and a video camera
that they had used to film some

that they had used to film some
recordings.

Recordings.
>> one of the main things that

>> one of the main things that
I participated in in trial was

I participated in in trial was
introducing these tapes to show

introducing these tapes to show
not only joshua maxwell's

not only joshua maxwell's
personality, because in these

personality, because in these
tapes, he's smoking dope, he's

tapes, he's smoking dope, he's
using drugs, he's walking

using drugs, he's walking
around with a gun. He's

around with a gun. He's
portraying himself as that

portraying himself as that
gangster persona.

Gangster persona.
>> joshua maxwell -- he never

>> joshua maxwell -- he never
testified, but during his

testified, but during his
incarceration in texas, he had,

incarceration in texas, he had,
without provocation or any

without provocation or any
excuse, attacked a jail guard.

Excuse, attacked a jail guard.
And that was further evidence

and that was further evidence
we were able to offer at the

we were able to offer at the
trial to show that he'd be a

trial to show that he'd be a
future danger.

Future danger.
>> the defense's position in

>> the defense's position in
every death penalty case is to

every death penalty case is to
mitigate the actors

mitigate the actors
involvement. "show me something

involvement. "show me something
in this man's life that he

in this man's life that he
didn't have a choice. It was a

didn't have a choice. It was a
bad childhood. He was raised

bad childhood. He was raised
horribly. He's got mental

horribly. He's got mental
deficiencies or mental issues

deficiencies or mental issues
that he can't deal with."

that he can't deal with."
>> during the trial, it did

>> during the trial, it did
come up that joshua, at about

come up that joshua, at about
the age of 12 or 13, found out

the age of 12 or 13, found out
that he had been adopted and,

that he had been adopted and,
of course, didn't take very

of course, didn't take very
well to that. And that that was

well to that. And that that was
part of the reason why he fell

part of the reason why he fell
into the violent crimes.

Into the violent crimes.
>> that's what I'm talking

>> that's what I'm talking
about right there.

About right there.
>> to me, it wasn't very

>> to me, it wasn't very
compelling.

Compelling.
>> look down the barrel, mother

>> look down the barrel, mother
(bleep) my (bleep) ha!

(bleep) my (bleep) ha!
>> at the conclusion of that

>> at the conclusion of that
trial, joshua maxwell was

trial, joshua maxwell was
sentenced to death. He was

sentenced to death. He was
incarcerated in huntsville and

incarcerated in huntsville and
remained there on death row.

Remained there on death row.
>> about a year later, we tried

>> about a year later, we tried
tessie. We had all intentions

tessie. We had all intentions
of moving forward with the

of moving forward with the
death penalty against her.

Death penalty against her.
>> we had a pretty strong case.

>> we had a pretty strong case.
There was a sex tape that

there was a sex tape that
tessie and joshua had filmed,

tessie and joshua had filmed,
along with the third person

along with the third person
that we don't know who we was,

that we don't know who we was,
just laughing and having a

just laughing and having a
great time.

Great time.
>> her defense was, "I'm a

>> her defense was, "I'm a
victim. Joshua forced me.

Victim. Joshua forced me.
Joshua kept me. But those tapes

joshua kept me. But those tapes
proved that that wasn't so."

proved that that wasn't so."
>> okay, now, get up.

>> okay, now, get up.
>> alright.

>> alright.
>> the tapes, as well as all

>> the tapes, as well as all
the other evidence, led us to

the other evidence, led us to
believe that tessie was fully

believe that tessie was fully
complicit in what had occurred,

complicit in what had occurred,
that she wasn't acting under

that she wasn't acting under
duress.

Duress.
>> I can't say that I've ever

>> I can't say that I've ever
been in that type of abusive

been in that type of abusive
relationship, and I'm not

relationship, and I'm not
trying to talk down anybody

trying to talk down anybody
who's like that, but she knew

who's like that, but she knew
what she was doing. She chose

what she was doing. She chose
not to call the police. Even

not to call the police. Even
though she didn't pull the

though she didn't pull the
trigger, she's just as guilty.

Trigger, she's just as guilty.
>> about two weeks into jury

>> about two weeks into jury
selection, tessie came to us

selection, tessie came to us
and indicated that she wanted

and indicated that she wanted
to plead guilty to capital

to plead guilty to capital
murder if we would waive the

murder if we would waive the
death penalty. We conferred and

death penalty. We conferred and
agreed to do that. The state

agreed to do that. The state
waived the death penalty, so

waived the death penalty, so
she was assessed a life

she was assessed a life
sentence. She'll be eligible

sentence. She'll be eligible
for parole in 40 calendar years

for parole in 40 calendar years
under texas law. I was

under texas law. I was
satisfied with the outcome.

Satisfied with the outcome.
>> I don't think that justice

>> I don't think that justice
was served because tessie

was served because tessie
mcfarland deserves to die. The

mcfarland deserves to die. The
things that she and joshua

things that she and joshua
maxwell did to robby bott in

maxwell did to robby bott in
indianapolis are just horrific.

Indianapolis are just horrific.
>> the outcome, it's provided

>> the outcome, it's provided
some closure with my family,

some closure with my family,
but I don't think there'll ever

but I don't think there'll ever
be any full closure because our

be any full closure because our
question would still be "why? "

question would still be "why? "
why would they do that to

why would they do that to
anybody?

Anybody?
>> they would do these things

>> they would do these things
to two different people,

to two different people,
essentially torture them both

essentially torture them both
by holding them, shooting them,

by holding them, shooting them,
everything else they had done

everything else they had done
to them. And it was pure evil.

To them. And it was pure evil.
>> looking back on that

>> looking back on that
situation, I would have handled

situation, I would have handled
things in a completely

things in a completely
different manner. I'm almost 40

different manner. I'm almost 40
years old now. I'm a completely

years old now. I'm a completely
different person. I absolutely

different person. I absolutely
feel horrible for everybody

feel horrible for everybody
involved. If I could take

involved. If I could take
either one of their places, I

either one of their places, I
would. I absolutely would.

Would. I absolutely would.
>> no one ever expects it to

>> no one ever expects it to
happen to them. Hold your loved

happen to them. Hold your loved
ones very close. Tell them how

ones very close. Tell them how
much you love them every single

much you love them every single
day.

Day.