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Houston, but not necessarily a
lot of murders of cab drivers.
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Lot of murders of cab drivers.
>> this man had been shot to
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>> this man had been shot to
death. It was a very disturbing
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death. It was a very disturbing
scene.
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Scene.
>> there was smoldering smoke,
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>> there was smoldering smoke,
the distinct smell of burning
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the distinct smell of burning
human flesh.
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Human flesh.
>> two cab drivers murdered
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>> two cab drivers murdered
within 48 hours of each other.
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Within 48 hours of each other.
>> both individuals had come
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>> both individuals had come
here trying to live the
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here trying to live the
american dream. You need to be
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american dream. You need to be
careful. You don't know who
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careful. You don't know who
you've got in your cab.
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You've got in your cab.
>> his last words on this earth
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>> his last words on this earth
is, "please. I have children.
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Is, "please. I have children.
Don't do this."
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don't do this."
>> I think the ultimate motive
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>> I think the ultimate motive
was money, was thrill.
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Was money, was thrill.
>> five unique perspectives.
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>> five unique perspectives.
Five points of view. One
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five points of view. One
murder.
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Murder.
>> I'm a homicide veteran.
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>> I'm a homicide veteran.
>> I've been a reporter here in
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>> I've been a reporter here in
the houston area.
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The houston area.
>> I was one of the
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>> I was one of the
investigators assigned.
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Investigators assigned.
>> my name is chaz blackshear.
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>> my name is chaz blackshear.
>> I was the lead prosecutor.
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>> I was the lead prosecutor.
>> my name is brian harris. I'm
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>> my name is brian harris. I'm
a 21-year retired homicide
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a 21-year retired homicide
veteran for the houston police
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veteran for the houston police
department. On October 14, 2010,
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department. On October 14, 2010,
when I arrived at work at the
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when I arrived at work at the
homicide headquarters downtown
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homicide headquarters downtown
houston, I ran into two
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houston, I ran into two
detectives. I knew they'd been
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detectives. I knew they'd been
working nonstop on a taxicab
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working nonstop on a taxicab
killing, a yellow cab murder
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killing, a yellow cab murder
where the driver of that cab
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where the driver of that cab
had been murdered and his body
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had been murdered and his body
was dumped on the north side of
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was dumped on the north side of
the city of houston. I quipped,
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the city of houston. I quipped,
"glad it's you, not us. "
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"glad it's you, not us. "
little did I know that within
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little did I know that within
the hour, my partner and I
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the hour, my partner and I
would be assigned the murder of
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would be assigned the murder of
the second cab driver within 48
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the second cab driver within 48
hours. Right away, my partner
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hours. Right away, my partner
and I are talking while we're
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and I are talking while we're
driving out to the west side of
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driving out to the west side of
houston that, could this be
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houston that, could this be
connected? We didn't know at
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connected? We didn't know at
the time, but, you know, our
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the time, but, you know, our
spidey senses certainly were
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spidey senses certainly were
tangling. We had a houston
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tangling. We had a houston
officer, and he was simply
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officer, and he was simply
making rounds, driving through
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making rounds, driving through
the various different parking
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the various different parking
lots in his beat and saw a
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lots in his beat and saw a
yellow cab. Quickly, he figured,
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yellow cab. Quickly, he figured,
that's certainly out of place.
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That's certainly out of place.
Why would a yellow cab be in
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why would a yellow cab be in
the middle of a parking lot at
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the middle of a parking lot at
3:00 in the morning? As he got
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3:00 in the morning? As he got
closer and he could see, the
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closer and he could see, the
cab was smoldering, there was
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cab was smoldering, there was
smoke coming from the cab.
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Smoke coming from the cab.
There was also that distinct
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there was also that distinct
smell, the distinct smell of
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smell, the distinct smell of
burning human flesh. By the
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burning human flesh. By the
time I get there with my
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time I get there with my
partner, there's dozens and
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partner, there's dozens and
dozens of people along the
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dozens of people along the
perimeter of the crime scene.
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Perimeter of the crime scene.
We don't know who are witnesses,
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we don't know who are witnesses,
who are just casual onlookers.
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Who are just casual onlookers.
In a chaotic scene, you've got
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in a chaotic scene, you've got
to start breaking that scene
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to start breaking that scene
down into larger parts, smaller
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down into larger parts, smaller
parts. No matter how crazy it
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parts. No matter how crazy it
looks, you can make a lot of
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looks, you can make a lot of
sense out of that. The dead
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sense out of that. The dead
themselves, in a way, speak to
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themselves, in a way, speak to
us. Not literally, but the
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us. Not literally, but the
position of their body, the way
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position of their body, the way
their body is inside or laid
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their body is inside or laid
out or presented in any
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out or presented in any
different homicide scene can
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different homicide scene can
tell us a lot. This case was no
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tell us a lot. This case was no
different. It looked as though
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different. It looked as though
there was a struggle. The
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there was a struggle. The
person was trying to escape. It
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person was trying to escape. It
looked as though they almost
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looked as though they almost
did escape out that door and
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did escape out that door and
they were shot and dragged back
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they were shot and dragged back
into that vehicle. And then to
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into that vehicle. And then to
add insult to injury, the car
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add insult to injury, the car
is set on fire. But we weren't
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is set on fire. But we weren't
dealing with exact rocket
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dealing with exact rocket
scientists here because they
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scientists here because they
didn't understand that fire
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didn't understand that fire
needs oxygen to breathe. So
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needs oxygen to breathe. So
when they set this car on fire,
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when they set this car on fire,
other than the initial
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other than the initial
explosion or burst of flame,
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explosion or burst of flame,
the fire quickly dies because
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the fire quickly dies because
there's no oxygen to feed on.
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There's no oxygen to feed on.
They were sloppy. They left
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they were sloppy. They left
evidence behind. They left the
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evidence behind. They left the
shell casing. One on the
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shell casing. One on the
outside of the car. One on the
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outside of the car. One on the
inside of the car. This is all
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inside of the car. This is all
great stuff that we can work
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great stuff that we can work
with. So, how did he die? Was
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with. So, how did he die? Was
it the fire or was it the
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it the fire or was it the
gunshot? And there's an easy
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gunshot? And there's an easy
way to tell. See, when an
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way to tell. See, when an
autopsy is done, if there's
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autopsy is done, if there's
soot on the inside of the lungs,
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soot on the inside of the lungs,
if they're soot on those lungs,
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if they're soot on those lungs,
that means they were alive when
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that means they were alive when
the fire was started. I'm just
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the fire was started. I'm just
very thankful, as gruesome as
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very thankful, as gruesome as
this scene was, was that it was
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this scene was, was that it was
clear after the autopsy that he
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clear after the autopsy that he
died of the gunshots, not of
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died of the gunshots, not of
the fire, because there was not
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the fire, because there was not
any soot in the lungs. Now
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any soot in the lungs. Now
we're able to attach a name.
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We're able to attach a name.
This is somebody that had a
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this is somebody that had a
family. This is somebody who
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family. This is somebody who
had people who loved him,
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had people who loved him,
somebody that he was trying to
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somebody that he was trying to
provide for working a second
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provide for working a second
job, bringing in extra income
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job, bringing in extra income
so he can just make it. Blaise
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so he can just make it. Blaise
was no different than myself.
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Was no different than myself.
We all have three things in
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we all have three things in
common -- we all want to be
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common -- we all want to be
loved, we all want to be
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loved, we all want to be
respected, and we all want the
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respected, and we all want the
ability to provide for the ones
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ability to provide for the ones
that love and respect us. They
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that love and respect us. They
wanted that american dream, and
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wanted that american dream, and
that's exactly who he was. He
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that's exactly who he was. He
was trying to provide for his
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was trying to provide for his
family. On this particular
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family. On this particular
scene, the cab is in the
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scene, the cab is in the
parking lot. Looking up at the
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parking lot. Looking up at the
office complex, it is clear
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office complex, it is clear
that there are video cameras.
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That there are video cameras.
So one of the first things that
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so one of the first things that
we do is look at these videos.
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We do is look at these videos.
Partner and I, we walk in and
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partner and I, we walk in and
we go to the security office.
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We go to the security office.
We don't know what we're
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we don't know what we're
getting ready to see. And as
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getting ready to see. And as
that videotape starts, we see
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that videotape starts, we see
the yellow cab pull up and we
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the yellow cab pull up and we
see clearly a black female with
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see clearly a black female with
this wild afro, crazy kind of
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this wild afro, crazy kind of
hair. And she gets out and she
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hair. And she gets out and she
starts to run to the front of
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starts to run to the front of
the cab area. She keeps going,
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the cab area. She keeps going,
has a lookout. Is anyone around?
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Has a lookout. Is anyone around?
And there's one particular
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and there's one particular
moment, she stops and is caught
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moment, she stops and is caught
in mid-stride, staring directly
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in mid-stride, staring directly
into the camera. It was the
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into the camera. It was the
perfect shot. We just knew then
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perfect shot. We just knew then
we had to freeze that frame and
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we had to freeze that frame and
that would be the picture that
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that would be the picture that
we would use. But the video
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we would use. But the video
keeps going. She comes back to
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keeps going. She comes back to
the cab and then there's a
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the cab and then there's a
flash. There's a flash inside
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flash. There's a flash inside
the cab. You see that same
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the cab. You see that same
black female. She runs across
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black female. She runs across
the parking lot, and then a
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the parking lot, and then a
lanky, thin male, baggy t-shirt,
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lanky, thin male, baggy t-shirt,
pants on, runs past the camera,
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pants on, runs past the camera,
as well. Where are they running?
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As well. Where are they running?
You had absolute fear and
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you had absolute fear and
terror running through the
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terror running through the
transportation industry. One
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transportation industry. One
incident, two incidences. It
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incident, two incidences. It
will be a third. Will there be
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will be a third. Will there be
a fourth? We needed to get this
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a fourth? We needed to get this
stopped. Throw in the fact that
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stopped. Throw in the fact that
now there's a male there, is
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now there's a male there, is
this their version of trying to
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this their version of trying to
be bonnie and clyde?
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Be bonnie and clyde?
>> hi, I'm sara davenport, and
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>> hi, I'm sara davenport, and
I've been a reporter here in
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I've been a reporter here in
the houston area for over a
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the houston area for over a
decade. When the news broke
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decade. When the news broke
that there had been a murder,
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that there had been a murder,
it wasn't that uncommon. It's a
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it wasn't that uncommon. It's a
big city, 6 million people. But
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big city, 6 million people. But
what was uncommon was a small
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what was uncommon was a small
twist. Two cabdrivers murdered
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twist. Two cabdrivers murdered
within 48 hours of each other.
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Within 48 hours of each other.
October 12th, early morning in
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October 12th, early morning in
2010, a utility worker was out,
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2010, a utility worker was out,
and he spotted something
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and he spotted something
strange in a drainage ditch.
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Strange in a drainage ditch.
When he went to look, it was a
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when he went to look, it was a
very gruesome discovery. It was
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very gruesome discovery. It was
a body. You can imagine how
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a body. You can imagine how
terrifying that is. I mean,
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terrifying that is. I mean,
normally, early morning hours,
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normally, early morning hours,
it's pretty quiet. And here
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it's pretty quiet. And here
this body is covered in dirt,
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this body is covered in dirt,
shot up, possibly stabbed. You
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shot up, possibly stabbed. You
could tell it was a very
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could tell it was a very
disturbing scene by the way
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disturbing scene by the way
when the utility worker called
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when the utility worker called
9-1-1, he was terrified. When
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9-1-1, he was terrified. When
the police first arrived on the
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the police first arrived on the
scene, they're trying to
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scene, they're trying to
identify who this is. And they
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identify who this is. And they
didn't find anything on his
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didn't find anything on his
body. I mean, it looked like
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body. I mean, it looked like
he'd been robbed. There's was
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he'd been robbed. There's was
nothing in his pockets. But
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nothing in his pockets. But
when they started searching
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when they started searching
just a little bit away, they
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just a little bit away, they
were able to find his passport
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were able to find his passport
and also his cellphone. That
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and also his cellphone. That
was a pretty significant break
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was a pretty significant break
for two reasons. One is it
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for two reasons. One is it
looks like the body was dumped.
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Looks like the body was dumped.
The murder probably didn't
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the murder probably didn't
happen there since the
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happen there since the
cellphone and passport were in
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cellphone and passport were in
a different area, but it was a
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a different area, but it was a
huge break because now they
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huge break because now they
knew who this body was, through
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knew who this body was, through
the passport and now they had
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the passport and now they had
his cellphone and could figure
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his cellphone and could figure
out more about him. They were
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out more about him. They were
able to identify the victim as
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able to identify the victim as
32-year-old mohammad el sayed.
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32-year-old mohammad el sayed.
Mohammad had been in the
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mohammad had been in the
houston area for a few years.
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Houston area for a few years.
He was a family man, had
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he was a family man, had
several children. He was a cab
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several children. He was a cab
driver, and he had been working
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driver, and he had been working
to pick up some extra shifts to
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to pick up some extra shifts to
make some more money to help
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make some more money to help
out at home. He was working
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out at home. He was working
really hard to make ends meet
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really hard to make ends meet
for his family. They were new
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for his family. They were new
immigrants to the houston area,
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immigrants to the houston area,
to the united states. And so
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to the united states. And so
being a cab driver was a good,
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being a cab driver was a good,
honest job for him to do. Being
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honest job for him to do. Being
a cab driver might be somewhat
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a cab driver might be somewhat
of an easy job from the outside,
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of an easy job from the outside,
but it's a risky job. You never
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but it's a risky job. You never
know who you're picking up,
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know who you're picking up,
what the next fare is going to
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what the next fare is going to
be. When police went to the cab
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be. When police went to the cab
company, they ran the number
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company, they ran the number
from where the last call had
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from where the last call had
come in from mohammad el
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come in from mohammad el
sayed's cab. It had come in
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sayed's cab. It had come in
from a gas station, a chevron,
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from a gas station, a chevron,
around 2:00 in the morning.
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Around 2:00 in the morning.
>> thank you for calling yellow
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>> thank you for calling yellow
cab. This is cheryl. How may I
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cab. This is cheryl. How may I
help you?
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Help you?
>> yes, I need a cab over here
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>> yes, I need a cab over here
on 1900 dairy ashford at the
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on 1900 dairy ashford at the
chevron. A cab just drove by.
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Chevron. A cab just drove by.
>> 1900 south dairy ashford?
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>> 1900 south dairy ashford?
>> yeah.
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>> yeah.
>> and that's the chevron
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>> and that's the chevron
service station, sir?
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Service station, sir?
>> yeah. The chevron service
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>> yeah. The chevron service
station. One just passed by. I
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station. One just passed by. I
don't know if he works for
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don't know if he works for
y'all.
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Y'all.
>> okay, we'll get someone out
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>> okay, we'll get someone out
there for you, sir.
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There for you, sir.
>> alright, thank you so much.
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>> alright, thank you so much.
>> when police got to the
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>> when police got to the
chevron station, they thought
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chevron station, they thought
maybe this could be their first
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maybe this could be their first
lead, but it really wasn't
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lead, but it really wasn't
because the security cameras,
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because the security cameras,
they weren't working that night
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they weren't working that night
and the phone had been totally
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and the phone had been totally
wiped clean of fingerprints.
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Wiped clean of fingerprints.
The suspects were really lucky
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the suspects were really lucky
on this one because the police
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on this one because the police
were hot on their tail until
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were hot on their tail until
they weren't. Suddenly, it went
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they weren't. Suddenly, it went
cold. There were no
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cold. There were no
fingerprints. There's no
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fingerprints. There's no
security cameras. The police
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security cameras. The police
didn't have any sign of the cab
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didn't have any sign of the cab
near where mohammad el sayed's
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near where mohammad el sayed's
body was found, so they went
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body was found, so they went
back to the chevron and started
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back to the chevron and started
looking in that vicinity. And
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looking in that vicinity. And
it was paydirt. The cab was
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it was paydirt. The cab was
found about three or four
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found about three or four
blocks away from where the call
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blocks away from where the call
was originally made, right
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was originally made, right
behind a strip mall. It had
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behind a strip mall. It had
been wiped clean. There were no
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been wiped clean. There were no
fingerprints, but they did find
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fingerprints, but they did find
some small traces of blood. And
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some small traces of blood. And
then they did find two .380
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then they did find two .380
caliber bullet shells. Where
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caliber bullet shells. Where
those bullet casings were found
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those bullet casings were found
suggests that the driver,
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suggests that the driver,
mohammad el sayed, had been
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mohammad el sayed, had been
sitting in his cab when he was
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sitting in his cab when he was
shot. Police had the cab and
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shot. Police had the cab and
they had the victim, but they
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they had the victim, but they
really didn't have any leads.
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Really didn't have any leads.
The call was made about 35 to
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the call was made about 35 to
40 minutes away from where the
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40 minutes away from where the
body was found. So what does
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body was found. So what does
that mean for these suspects?
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That mean for these suspects?
If they're willing to drive
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if they're willing to drive
that far to dump the body,
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that far to dump the body,
where are they now? They could
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where are they now? They could
be in dallas. They could be out
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be in dallas. They could be out
of the state of texas. People
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of the state of texas. People
started wondering, is there a
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started wondering, is there a
serial killer on the loose?
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Serial killer on the loose?
What's going to happen the next
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what's going to happen the next
day after that? The tension in
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day after that? The tension in
the city with these reports
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the city with these reports
coming out, it was very real.
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Coming out, it was very real.
Mohammad and blaise were both
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mohammad and blaise were both
muslim cab drivers. Did that
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muslim cab drivers. Did that
have anything to do with these
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have anything to do with these
murderers?
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Murderers?
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>> my name is roger chappell,
and I was an investigator with
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and I was an investigator with
the houston police department
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the houston police department
assigned to work this case. Cab
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assigned to work this case. Cab
drivers are hardworking people.
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Drivers are hardworking people.
It is not your
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it is not your
gangster-on-gangster or your
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gangster-on-gangster or your
dope dealer-on-dope dealer kind
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dope dealer-on-dope dealer kind
of stuff. These are innocent
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of stuff. These are innocent
people doing hard work.
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People doing hard work.
Something like this, where we
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something like this, where we
have at least two cab drivers
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have at least two cab drivers
that were killed in such a
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that were killed in such a
short period of time, so at
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short period of time, so at
that point, the urgency really
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that point, the urgency really
did kick in. This was
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did kick in. This was
definitely going to happen
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definitely going to happen
again. To me, it's not a matter
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again. To me, it's not a matter
of if, it's when. I made a
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of if, it's when. I made a
phone call to yellow cab and
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phone call to yellow cab and
was able to obtain the
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was able to obtain the
recording for the second case.
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Recording for the second case.
The deceased had picked up a
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the deceased had picked up a
fare somewhere on the west side
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fare somewhere on the west side
of town, and it was a female
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of town, and it was a female
that had made that phone call.
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That had made that phone call.
A name that I heard, as I
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a name that I heard, as I
remember, was shauntay, because
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remember, was shauntay, because
it was a little difficult to
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it was a little difficult to
understand on that recording.
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Understand on that recording.
>> yellow cab. Can I help you?
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>> yellow cab. Can I help you?
>> hello, um, can I have a cab
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>> hello, um, can I have a cab
to, um, 1905, um, dairy ashford?
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To, um, 1905, um, dairy ashford?
It's gonna be by a cricket
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it's gonna be by a cricket
store.
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Store.
>> kroger store?
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>> kroger store?
>> cricket.
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>> cricket.
>> alright, can I get a name?
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>> alright, can I get a name?
>> um, shauntay.
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>> um, shauntay.
>> my immediate thought was
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>> my immediate thought was
that's a fake name. I don't
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that's a fake name. I don't
know if it's just a version of
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know if it's just a version of
her name or if she just made it
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her name or if she just made it
up, but that's one of the
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up, but that's one of the
things, too, that we
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things, too, that we
disseminate to the other
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disseminate to the other
investigators. In most murder
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investigators. In most murder
cases that I have investigated,
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cases that I have investigated,
this is the first one where we
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this is the first one where we
actually had the murderer
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actually had the murderer
captured on video. It truly
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captured on video. It truly
does open up the book for us.
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Does open up the book for us.
As these folks were leaving and
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as these folks were leaving and
running away, what direction
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running away, what direction
where they headed? So that's
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where they headed? So that's
where we're going to start our
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where we're going to start our
canvas. We decided to go ahead
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canvas. We decided to go ahead
and concentrate on the
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and concentrate on the
apartment complexes as first.
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Apartment complexes as first.
When the officers were out
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when the officers were out
there, this manager is like,
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there, this manager is like,
"you know what? I could be
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"you know what? I could be
wrong, but this is a
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wrong, but this is a
coincidence, to me, that I just
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coincidence, to me, that I just
can't seem to get over. I had
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can't seem to get over. I had
this tenant who was behind in
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this tenant who was behind in
her rent. She was due to be
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her rent. She was due to be
evicted. Then all of a sudden,
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evicted. Then all of a sudden,
she comes in this morning and
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she comes in this morning and
pays off everything." the
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pays off everything." the
public already knew that we had
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public already knew that we had
two cab drivers. The media had
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two cab drivers. The media had
already reported that. For this
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already reported that. For this
manager, based on what glimpse
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manager, based on what glimpse
he got from the surveillance
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he got from the surveillance
video photograph, was able to
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video photograph, was able to
draw those parallels very
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draw those parallels very
quickly. They gave her name as
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quickly. They gave her name as
crystal jones, and the physical
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crystal jones, and the physical
description seemed to match.
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Description seemed to match.
What we want to do is to get
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what we want to do is to get
her before she gets inside her
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her before she gets inside her
apartment. And there's a reason
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apartment. And there's a reason
for that. It creates too much
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for that. It creates too much
hazard for the officers and for
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hazard for the officers and for
other citizens. Crystal shows
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other citizens. Crystal shows
up, and once everything
431
00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:09,067
up, and once everything
everything got explained to her
432
00:16:09,069 --> 00:16:10,134
everything got explained to her
about how we wound up there,
433
00:16:10,136 --> 00:16:14,305
about how we wound up there,
she agreed, "yeah. You know
434
00:16:14,307 --> 00:16:18,676
she agreed, "yeah. You know
what? Let me run down, explain
435
00:16:18,678 --> 00:16:20,712
what? Let me run down, explain
all this to you. I don't have a
436
00:16:20,714 --> 00:16:22,380
all this to you. I don't have a
problem doing that." just that
437
00:16:22,382 --> 00:16:23,848
problem doing that." just that
cooperation right from the
438
00:16:23,850 --> 00:16:27,018
cooperation right from the
beginning sent a very clear
439
00:16:27,020 --> 00:16:32,056
beginning sent a very clear
message to us. So when she
440
00:16:32,058 --> 00:16:33,191
message to us. So when she
comes into homicide, sergeant
441
00:16:33,193 --> 00:16:35,093
comes into homicide, sergeant
harris talked to her. He felt
442
00:16:35,095 --> 00:16:36,227
harris talked to her. He felt
very quickly that she wasn't
443
00:16:36,229 --> 00:16:37,562
very quickly that she wasn't
involved in this. Brian was
444
00:16:37,564 --> 00:16:40,298
involved in this. Brian was
like, "her voice is just too
445
00:16:40,300 --> 00:16:41,699
like, "her voice is just too
raspy. It just doesn't quite
446
00:16:41,701 --> 00:16:43,067
raspy. It just doesn't quite
match up." when brian asked her
447
00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:45,236
match up." when brian asked her
about, you know, how she came
448
00:16:45,238 --> 00:16:46,604
about, you know, how she came
into all of this money and was
449
00:16:46,606 --> 00:16:48,139
into all of this money and was
able to pay off all of her debt
450
00:16:48,141 --> 00:16:49,640
able to pay off all of her debt
all of a sudden, she said, "oh,
451
00:16:49,642 --> 00:16:50,942
all of a sudden, she said, "oh,
well, I sold my car." and he
452
00:16:50,944 --> 00:16:53,077
well, I sold my car." and he
said, "what do you mean? " and
453
00:16:53,079 --> 00:16:54,379
said, "what do you mean? " and
she was able to produce the
454
00:16:54,381 --> 00:16:55,380
she was able to produce the
documentation, the bill of sale
455
00:16:55,382 --> 00:16:56,781
documentation, the bill of sale
and everything. We can tell
456
00:16:56,783 --> 00:16:57,815
and everything. We can tell
when someone's lying to us most
457
00:16:57,817 --> 00:16:59,917
when someone's lying to us most
of the time, very quickly. We
458
00:16:59,919 --> 00:17:01,586
of the time, very quickly. We
can also tell when they're
459
00:17:01,588 --> 00:17:04,589
can also tell when they're
being very truthful. Brian just
460
00:17:04,591 --> 00:17:06,357
being very truthful. Brian just
felt right away, this isn't our
461
00:17:06,359 --> 00:17:08,326
felt right away, this isn't our
girl, period. Once crystal
462
00:17:08,328 --> 00:17:11,429
girl, period. Once crystal
jones is eliminated as a
463
00:17:11,431 --> 00:17:12,663
jones is eliminated as a
suspect, it's very late at
464
00:17:12,665 --> 00:17:14,232
suspect, it's very late at
night. Everybody's worn out.
465
00:17:14,234 --> 00:17:16,334
Night. Everybody's worn out.
There's really not much more we
466
00:17:16,336 --> 00:17:18,169
there's really not much more we
can do at the moment. All of
467
00:17:18,171 --> 00:17:19,437
can do at the moment. All of
our physical evidence is tied
468
00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:20,571
our physical evidence is tied
up at the crime labs. We come
469
00:17:20,573 --> 00:17:22,774
up at the crime labs. We come
back in the next morning, and
470
00:17:22,776 --> 00:17:25,343
back in the next morning, and
we get a phone call from our
471
00:17:25,345 --> 00:17:27,979
we get a phone call from our
firearms lab. Typically, from a
472
00:17:27,981 --> 00:17:29,614
firearms lab. Typically, from a
firearms report, we may get
473
00:17:29,616 --> 00:17:31,616
firearms report, we may get
between eight to fifteen
474
00:17:31,618 --> 00:17:33,684
between eight to fifteen
firearms that these shell
475
00:17:33,686 --> 00:17:35,820
firearms that these shell
casings could have come from.
476
00:17:35,822 --> 00:17:36,954
Casings could have come from.
But kim downs came downstairs,
477
00:17:36,956 --> 00:17:39,490
but kim downs came downstairs,
and for the first time since
478
00:17:39,492 --> 00:17:40,992
and for the first time since
I've known her, she's ecstatic.
479
00:17:40,994 --> 00:17:42,493
I've known her, she's ecstatic.
There is, I don't know, four or
480
00:17:42,495 --> 00:17:43,327
there is, I don't know, four or
five of us standing around. She
481
00:17:43,329 --> 00:17:45,530
five of us standing around. She
says, "you're looking for a
482
00:17:45,532 --> 00:17:47,331
says, "you're looking for a
cobra 380. She even shows us a
483
00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:48,399
cobra 380. She even shows us a
picture of it. She says, "I'm
484
00:17:48,401 --> 00:17:49,901
picture of it. She says, "I'm
not saying it's this number of
485
00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,069
not saying it's this number of
firearms. This is the gun
486
00:17:51,071 --> 00:17:55,406
firearms. This is the gun
you're looking for. That was a
487
00:17:55,408 --> 00:18:00,611
you're looking for. That was a
game-changer. Our crime analyst
488
00:18:00,613 --> 00:18:05,083
game-changer. Our crime analyst
starts doing the research on
489
00:18:05,085 --> 00:18:06,084
starts doing the research on
stolen firearms. Well, there
490
00:18:06,086 --> 00:18:08,286
stolen firearms. Well, there
were two reports that were
491
00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:12,490
were two reports that were
located, and one of them
492
00:18:12,492 --> 00:18:13,357
located, and one of them
mentions two suspects by name.
493
00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:14,592
Mentions two suspects by name.
Turns out, this gentleman had
494
00:18:14,594 --> 00:18:16,627
turns out, this gentleman had
allowed these two folks to stay
495
00:18:16,629 --> 00:18:17,428
allowed these two folks to stay
with him, and they stole a
496
00:18:17,430 --> 00:18:19,597
with him, and they stole a
pistol from him. He names them
497
00:18:19,599 --> 00:18:20,898
pistol from him. He names them
as chaz blackshear and danielle
498
00:18:20,900 --> 00:18:23,701
as chaz blackshear and danielle
hudson. Immediately, we started
499
00:18:23,703 --> 00:18:27,038
hudson. Immediately, we started
doing the research on those two
500
00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:28,172
doing the research on those two
folks, and we noticed that he
501
00:18:28,174 --> 00:18:30,875
folks, and we noticed that he
has an arrest, a prior arrest.
502
00:18:30,877 --> 00:18:33,511
Has an arrest, a prior arrest.
So every arrested that occurs
503
00:18:33,513 --> 00:18:36,747
so every arrested that occurs
in houston, the arrestee is
504
00:18:36,749 --> 00:18:37,849
in houston, the arrestee is
assigned an hpd number. And lo
505
00:18:37,851 --> 00:18:38,883
assigned an hpd number. And lo
and behold, if we don't find
506
00:18:38,885 --> 00:18:40,785
and behold, if we don't find
pictures of them. They resemble
507
00:18:40,787 --> 00:18:43,087
pictures of them. They resemble
what we see in the video,
508
00:18:43,089 --> 00:18:44,789
what we see in the video,
especially with danielle. Phil
509
00:18:44,791 --> 00:18:48,593
especially with danielle. Phil
calls somebody in our
510
00:18:48,595 --> 00:18:49,694
calls somebody in our
fingerprint lab, and the
511
00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:50,561
fingerprint lab, and the
information he was trying to
512
00:18:50,563 --> 00:18:51,429
information he was trying to
tell the fingerprint person is,
513
00:18:51,431 --> 00:18:52,463
tell the fingerprint person is,
"hey, I've got an hpd number I
514
00:18:52,465 --> 00:18:53,631
"hey, I've got an hpd number I
need you to compare this to."
515
00:18:53,633 --> 00:18:55,733
need you to compare this to."
he didn't even mention the
516
00:18:55,735 --> 00:18:56,534
he didn't even mention the
name. He said, "don't tell me
517
00:18:56,536 --> 00:18:57,735
name. He said, "don't tell me
it's chaz blackshear." phil,
518
00:18:57,737 --> 00:18:59,871
it's chaz blackshear." phil,
literally, I think he came
519
00:18:59,873 --> 00:19:01,405
literally, I think he came
close to dropping the phone.
520
00:19:01,407 --> 00:19:03,174
Close to dropping the phone.
All of that took place
521
00:19:03,176 --> 00:19:07,245
all of that took place
literally in a matter of ten
522
00:19:07,247 --> 00:19:10,248
literally in a matter of ten
minutes, fifteen minutes. Just
523
00:19:10,250 --> 00:19:12,083
minutes, fifteen minutes. Just
boom, boom, boom, boom. The
524
00:19:12,085 --> 00:19:14,485
boom, boom, boom, boom. The
gentleman that listed his
525
00:19:14,487 --> 00:19:16,187
gentleman that listed his
pistol, he was friends with
526
00:19:16,189 --> 00:19:17,688
pistol, he was friends with
chaz. He had his cellphone
527
00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:19,624
chaz. He had his cellphone
number and he listed it on the
528
00:19:19,626 --> 00:19:21,159
number and he listed it on the
police report. Now we have
529
00:19:21,161 --> 00:19:22,660
police report. Now we have
enough evidence against chaz to
530
00:19:22,662 --> 00:19:24,061
enough evidence against chaz to
be able to get a warrant for
531
00:19:24,063 --> 00:19:26,097
be able to get a warrant for
his arrest. Once the marshals
532
00:19:26,099 --> 00:19:28,332
his arrest. Once the marshals
were able to get the court
533
00:19:28,334 --> 00:19:29,700
were able to get the court
order and activate the phone
534
00:19:29,702 --> 00:19:31,536
order and activate the phone
search, it literally took us
535
00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:33,304
search, it literally took us
right back to the same
536
00:19:33,306 --> 00:19:34,205
right back to the same
apartment complex that we had
537
00:19:34,207 --> 00:19:34,739
apartment complex that we had
been to before.
538
00:19:34,741 --> 00:19:36,274
Been to before.
539
00:19:43,615 --> 00:19:46,050
>> my name is chaz blackshear.
I'm from dallas, texas. As a
540
00:19:46,052 --> 00:19:48,519
I'm from dallas, texas. As a
child, I went through a lot of
541
00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:49,954
child, I went through a lot of
emotional roller coasters. My
542
00:19:49,956 --> 00:19:54,158
emotional roller coasters. My
mother being in jail. That's my
543
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:56,727
mother being in jail. That's my
first memory. I used to get
544
00:19:56,729 --> 00:20:01,199
first memory. I used to get
letters, drawings from her. I
545
00:20:01,201 --> 00:20:03,467
letters, drawings from her. I
know my real father, but I only
546
00:20:03,469 --> 00:20:06,971
know my real father, but I only
stayed with him for a short
547
00:20:06,973 --> 00:20:09,307
stayed with him for a short
amount of time. It was in
548
00:20:09,309 --> 00:20:11,275
amount of time. It was in
arizona. I left him up there
549
00:20:11,277 --> 00:20:13,477
arizona. I left him up there
because, you know, he used to
550
00:20:13,479 --> 00:20:15,513
because, you know, he used to
put his hands on me, busted my
551
00:20:15,515 --> 00:20:17,081
put his hands on me, busted my
nose and all that. Not too long,
552
00:20:17,083 --> 00:20:19,350
nose and all that. Not too long,
got to live with my mom, got
553
00:20:19,352 --> 00:20:24,989
got to live with my mom, got
out of jail. Within probably a
554
00:20:24,991 --> 00:20:26,857
out of jail. Within probably a
couple of months, maybe, she
555
00:20:26,859 --> 00:20:30,127
couple of months, maybe, she
had met this dude named john.
556
00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,996
Had met this dude named john.
He was different, man. He
557
00:20:31,998 --> 00:20:35,299
he was different, man. He
actually showed up, made me do
558
00:20:35,301 --> 00:20:37,802
actually showed up, made me do
my homework, made me, you know
559
00:20:37,804 --> 00:20:39,303
my homework, made me, you know
what I'm saying, do things that
560
00:20:39,305 --> 00:20:40,671
what I'm saying, do things that
counted in life, and he was
561
00:20:40,673 --> 00:20:41,872
counted in life, and he was
that father that I wanted. He
562
00:20:41,874 --> 00:20:43,241
that father that I wanted. He
had a motorcycle. You know what
563
00:20:43,243 --> 00:20:44,909
had a motorcycle. You know what
I'm saying? He loved to ride
564
00:20:44,911 --> 00:20:46,544
I'm saying? He loved to ride
the bikes. And I'd hop on the
565
00:20:46,546 --> 00:20:48,079
the bikes. And I'd hop on the
bike with him. He rode off, and
566
00:20:48,081 --> 00:20:50,081
bike with him. He rode off, and
he never came back. I remember
567
00:20:50,083 --> 00:20:56,621
he never came back. I remember
the police came, the police
568
00:20:56,623 --> 00:20:59,423
the police came, the police
came knocking at our door
569
00:20:59,425 --> 00:21:01,158
came knocking at our door
probably around 10:00, 11:00 at
570
00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:02,927
probably around 10:00, 11:00 at
night. So I watched her open
571
00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:05,363
night. So I watched her open
the door, see what's going on,
572
00:21:05,365 --> 00:21:08,633
the door, see what's going on,
till they put their hands on my
573
00:21:08,635 --> 00:21:09,500
till they put their hands on my
mama. And I just heard her
574
00:21:09,502 --> 00:21:10,534
mama. And I just heard her
busting out crying. And he had
575
00:21:10,536 --> 00:21:11,736
busting out crying. And he had
had a wreck on the bike, and
576
00:21:11,738 --> 00:21:13,871
had a wreck on the bike, and
the wreck killed him. He flew
577
00:21:13,873 --> 00:21:15,606
the wreck killed him. He flew
off the highway or something. I
578
00:21:15,608 --> 00:21:17,275
off the highway or something. I
don't know. In a way, I feel
579
00:21:17,277 --> 00:21:18,676
don't know. In a way, I feel
like everything was snatched
580
00:21:18,678 --> 00:21:21,345
like everything was snatched
from me, the little family that
581
00:21:21,347 --> 00:21:24,148
from me, the little family that
I had. After he died, my mama
582
00:21:24,150 --> 00:21:33,991
I had. After he died, my mama
went back on the drugs. I seen
583
00:21:33,993 --> 00:21:36,827
went back on the drugs. I seen
my mother o.D. One night. She
584
00:21:36,829 --> 00:21:39,397
my mother o.D. One night. She
was foaming at the mouth,
585
00:21:39,399 --> 00:21:44,368
was foaming at the mouth,
couldn't stop shaking, and I
586
00:21:44,370 --> 00:21:45,503
couldn't stop shaking, and I
was scared. I ended up moving
587
00:21:45,505 --> 00:21:47,204
was scared. I ended up moving
in with some cousins. So I
588
00:21:47,206 --> 00:21:49,507
in with some cousins. So I
ended up staying there with my
589
00:21:49,509 --> 00:21:51,542
ended up staying there with my
adoptive father and my adoptive
590
00:21:51,544 --> 00:21:54,378
adoptive father and my adoptive
mother. They wouldn't let me do
591
00:21:54,380 --> 00:21:57,615
mother. They wouldn't let me do
certain things that I was used
592
00:21:57,617 --> 00:22:01,352
certain things that I was used
to being allowed to do, and
593
00:22:01,354 --> 00:22:05,589
to being allowed to do, and
that was one of the reasons
594
00:22:05,591 --> 00:22:07,325
that was one of the reasons
that I really rebelled a lot as
595
00:22:07,327 --> 00:22:09,694
that I really rebelled a lot as
a child because I couldn't get
596
00:22:09,696 --> 00:22:11,395
a child because I couldn't get
my way. Lot of times, I was
597
00:22:11,397 --> 00:22:14,098
my way. Lot of times, I was
craving, like -- man, I was
598
00:22:14,100 --> 00:22:16,033
craving, like -- man, I was
caught up in suicide at an
599
00:22:16,035 --> 00:22:18,436
caught up in suicide at an
early age. Music was my passion,
600
00:22:18,438 --> 00:22:20,504
early age. Music was my passion,
my goal, and my dream back then,
601
00:22:20,506 --> 00:22:22,606
my goal, and my dream back then,
you know. That put all my
602
00:22:22,608 --> 00:22:24,442
you know. That put all my
emotions, everything I been
603
00:22:24,444 --> 00:22:27,611
emotions, everything I been
through in life, I put it in my
604
00:22:27,613 --> 00:22:29,747
through in life, I put it in my
music. And that's -- that's one
605
00:22:29,749 --> 00:22:33,684
music. And that's -- that's one
of the things that I know that
606
00:22:33,686 --> 00:22:35,686
of the things that I know that
I'm blessed at and I'm gifted
607
00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:36,921
I'm blessed at and I'm gifted
at and a thing I can breathe in,
608
00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:39,657
at and a thing I can breathe in,
you know? I could -- I could do
609
00:22:39,659 --> 00:22:41,325
you know? I could -- I could do
it for the rest of my life as a
610
00:22:41,327 --> 00:22:43,461
it for the rest of my life as a
career and be happy doing it.
611
00:22:43,463 --> 00:22:46,130
Career and be happy doing it.
Not just doing it for the
612
00:22:46,132 --> 00:22:47,331
not just doing it for the
popularity or the money. Nobody
613
00:22:47,333 --> 00:22:49,400
popularity or the money. Nobody
supported me through what I
614
00:22:49,402 --> 00:22:53,204
supported me through what I
wanted. It was always what
615
00:22:53,206 --> 00:22:57,875
wanted. It was always what
somebody else wanted, what they
616
00:22:57,877 --> 00:22:59,877
somebody else wanted, what they
think is right, what they
617
00:22:59,879 --> 00:23:01,045
think is right, what they
believed in. They told me, "go
618
00:23:01,047 --> 00:23:04,181
believed in. They told me, "go
to college, go to the military,
619
00:23:04,183 --> 00:23:07,318
to college, go to the military,
get you a job. You got to do
620
00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:09,587
get you a job. You got to do
something." and none of it
621
00:23:09,589 --> 00:23:11,155
something." and none of it
involved music. So basically, I
622
00:23:11,157 --> 00:23:13,391
involved music. So basically, I
ended up joining the military
623
00:23:13,393 --> 00:23:15,826
ended up joining the military
just so I can get out the house,
624
00:23:15,828 --> 00:23:17,795
just so I can get out the house,
so I can get away, just get
625
00:23:17,797 --> 00:23:23,534
so I can get away, just get
away. If things wasn't gonna
626
00:23:23,536 --> 00:23:25,569
away. If things wasn't gonna
get better, I was gonna force
627
00:23:25,571 --> 00:23:27,438
get better, I was gonna force
them to get better. Danielle,
628
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:30,941
them to get better. Danielle,
she was one of the first people
629
00:23:30,943 --> 00:23:45,689
she was one of the first people
who believed in me. She really
630
00:23:45,691 --> 00:23:49,627
who believed in me. She really
showed me something that I
631
00:23:49,629 --> 00:23:51,796
showed me something that I
never really seen out of a
632
00:23:51,798 --> 00:23:53,697
never really seen out of a
woman. She wanted the same
633
00:23:53,699 --> 00:23:57,201
woman. She wanted the same
thing I wanted. She was raised
634
00:23:57,203 --> 00:24:00,237
thing I wanted. She was raised
by her granny and everything,
635
00:24:00,239 --> 00:24:02,006
by her granny and everything,
too, so we kind of had similar
636
00:24:02,008 --> 00:24:03,441
too, so we kind of had similar
backgrounds. We just kind of
637
00:24:03,443 --> 00:24:06,410
backgrounds. We just kind of
built that trust, you know,
638
00:24:06,412 --> 00:24:08,245
built that trust, you know,
'cause we both been through
639
00:24:08,247 --> 00:24:09,613
'cause we both been through
something. And then after a
640
00:24:09,615 --> 00:24:11,348
something. And then after a
while, you know what I'm saying,
641
00:24:11,350 --> 00:24:12,917
while, you know what I'm saying,
she started staying there with
642
00:24:12,919 --> 00:24:14,051
she started staying there with
me, and I guess that's when
643
00:24:14,053 --> 00:24:15,853
me, and I guess that's when
everything kicked off. She just
644
00:24:15,855 --> 00:24:16,720
everything kicked off. She just
so happened to have a child,
645
00:24:16,722 --> 00:24:19,623
so happened to have a child,
and I knew that his father
646
00:24:19,625 --> 00:24:21,992
and I knew that his father
wasn't really in his life. I
647
00:24:21,994 --> 00:24:26,096
wasn't really in his life. I
could see her son really looked
648
00:24:26,098 --> 00:24:28,299
could see her son really looked
up to me, always wanted to be
649
00:24:28,301 --> 00:24:30,000
up to me, always wanted to be
around me. That made me hold on
650
00:24:30,002 --> 00:24:32,036
around me. That made me hold on
to her tighter, you know,'cause
651
00:24:32,038 --> 00:24:33,604
to her tighter, you know,'cause
that's how I felt, that he
652
00:24:33,606 --> 00:24:35,706
that's how I felt, that he
needed a father. You know, I
653
00:24:35,708 --> 00:24:38,876
needed a father. You know, I
didn't want them to feel the
654
00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:40,678
didn't want them to feel the
same way that I felt back when
655
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,646
same way that I felt back when
I lost john. And I was willing
656
00:24:42,648 --> 00:24:44,248
I lost john. And I was willing
to do anything to make sure
657
00:24:44,250 --> 00:24:45,316
to do anything to make sure
that don't happen. I really had
658
00:24:45,318 --> 00:24:47,818
that don't happen. I really had
tried to stop hustling and, you
659
00:24:47,820 --> 00:24:49,620
tried to stop hustling and, you
know, and actually go out and
660
00:24:49,622 --> 00:24:52,256
know, and actually go out and
get a real job'cause I don't
661
00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:54,825
get a real job'cause I don't
want nothing to take me away
662
00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:56,494
want nothing to take me away
from my family. And it was hard
663
00:24:56,496 --> 00:24:58,395
from my family. And it was hard
to get a job. You know, I
664
00:24:58,397 --> 00:24:59,497
to get a job. You know, I
couldn't get one, I couldn't
665
00:24:59,499 --> 00:25:00,865
couldn't get one, I couldn't
find one'cause I was
666
00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:01,966
find one'cause I was
dishonorably discharged from
667
00:25:01,968 --> 00:25:04,201
dishonorably discharged from
the military. We end up getting
668
00:25:04,203 --> 00:25:09,139
the military. We end up getting
kicked out of the apartment,
669
00:25:09,141 --> 00:25:12,309
kicked out of the apartment,
and they had put the eviction
670
00:25:12,311 --> 00:25:13,711
and they had put the eviction
notice on the door. The next
671
00:25:13,713 --> 00:25:17,114
notice on the door. The next
day, we had to go. I had to
672
00:25:17,116 --> 00:25:20,451
day, we had to go. I had to
take care of them. I figured it
673
00:25:20,453 --> 00:25:22,152
take care of them. I figured it
was my responsibility. I felt
674
00:25:22,154 --> 00:25:24,054
was my responsibility. I felt
if I didn't do nothing, I
675
00:25:24,056 --> 00:25:26,524
if I didn't do nothing, I
wasn't a man. The first thing
676
00:25:26,526 --> 00:25:28,259
wasn't a man. The first thing
that came to mind was quick
677
00:25:28,261 --> 00:25:30,628
that came to mind was quick
money, and I was desperate for
678
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:34,331
money, and I was desperate for
it. I'm pretty sure anybody,
679
00:25:34,333 --> 00:25:40,738
it. I'm pretty sure anybody,
for their family, would do
680
00:25:40,740 --> 00:25:41,972
for their family, would do
anything they have to to make
681
00:25:41,974 --> 00:25:43,073
anything they have to to make
sure their family was okay. I'm
682
00:25:43,075 --> 00:25:46,477
sure their family was okay. I'm
not gonna lie. I probably
683
00:25:46,479 --> 00:25:47,945
not gonna lie. I probably
wasn't mature enough to see I
684
00:25:47,947 --> 00:25:48,779
wasn't mature enough to see I
could have found a better way.
685
00:25:48,781 --> 00:25:56,120
Could have found a better way.
>> I had never forgot. I was
686
00:25:56,122 --> 00:25:58,022
>> I had never forgot. I was
laying on the floor. She was
687
00:25:58,024 --> 00:26:05,229
laying on the floor. She was
sitting up. And I was asleep. I
688
00:26:05,231 --> 00:26:07,665
sitting up. And I was asleep. I
was sleeping so hard, I didn't
689
00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:09,199
was sleeping so hard, I didn't
even hear them kick the door
690
00:26:09,201 --> 00:26:11,235
even hear them kick the door
in. I didn't even hear it. I
691
00:26:11,237 --> 00:26:13,404
in. I didn't even hear it. I
don't know if it was from the
692
00:26:13,406 --> 00:26:15,372
don't know if it was from the
stress or being depressed. I
693
00:26:15,374 --> 00:26:16,774
stress or being depressed. I
don't know what it was. I was
694
00:26:16,776 --> 00:26:18,676
don't know what it was. I was
actually in a dead sleep. She
695
00:26:18,678 --> 00:26:20,611
actually in a dead sleep. She
shook me and woke me up. I said,
696
00:26:20,613 --> 00:26:22,212
shook me and woke me up. I said,
"what's up? " she said, "man,
697
00:26:22,214 --> 00:26:23,781
"what's up? " she said, "man,
the police are here." and they
698
00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:25,349
the police are here." and they
took me in. But I could have
699
00:26:25,351 --> 00:26:30,421
took me in. But I could have
took that. But with her, when
700
00:26:30,423 --> 00:26:34,058
took that. But with her, when
they took her in -- you know,
701
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:35,492
they took her in -- you know,
aj was still there. Man, it's
702
00:26:35,494 --> 00:26:38,262
aj was still there. Man, it's
stuff I didn't want him to see,
703
00:26:38,264 --> 00:26:38,462
stuff I didn't want him to see,
man.
704
00:26:38,464 --> 00:26:41,498
Man.
705
00:26:49,908 --> 00:26:51,208
>> my name is caroline dozier.
I'm a prosecutor at the harris
706
00:26:51,210 --> 00:26:52,076
I'm a prosecutor at the harris
county district attorney's
707
00:26:52,078 --> 00:26:53,344
county district attorney's
office, and I was the lead
708
00:26:53,346 --> 00:26:54,144
office, and I was the lead
prosecutor in the chaz
709
00:26:54,146 --> 00:26:55,346
prosecutor in the chaz
blackshear and danielle hudson
710
00:26:55,348 --> 00:26:56,814
blackshear and danielle hudson
capital murder cases. My very
711
00:26:56,816 --> 00:26:59,850
capital murder cases. My very
first involvement with this
712
00:26:59,852 --> 00:27:00,985
first involvement with this
case was when sergeant harris
713
00:27:00,987 --> 00:27:02,119
case was when sergeant harris
and detective waters came to my
714
00:27:02,121 --> 00:27:04,188
and detective waters came to my
office and talked to me about
715
00:27:04,190 --> 00:27:05,756
office and talked to me about
picking up this case. A cab
716
00:27:05,758 --> 00:27:08,492
picking up this case. A cab
driver had been murdered, and
717
00:27:08,494 --> 00:27:09,994
driver had been murdered, and
they wanted my help. There were
718
00:27:09,996 --> 00:27:12,997
they wanted my help. There were
two very good leads that led us
719
00:27:12,999 --> 00:27:14,632
two very good leads that led us
to chaz blackshear specifically
720
00:27:14,634 --> 00:27:16,300
to chaz blackshear specifically
and then ultimately danielle
721
00:27:16,302 --> 00:27:17,901
and then ultimately danielle
hudson, as well. One of which
722
00:27:17,903 --> 00:27:20,270
hudson, as well. One of which
was the link between the two
723
00:27:20,272 --> 00:27:21,639
was the link between the two
cases, the shell casings. They
724
00:27:21,641 --> 00:27:23,240
cases, the shell casings. They
were found to be fired from a
725
00:27:23,242 --> 00:27:26,977
were found to be fired from a
very unique type of gun. In
726
00:27:26,979 --> 00:27:29,647
very unique type of gun. In
addition to that, they took
727
00:27:29,649 --> 00:27:32,182
addition to that, they took
fingerprints off of the cab,
728
00:27:32,184 --> 00:27:33,484
fingerprints off of the cab,
and they were able to match one
729
00:27:33,486 --> 00:27:35,052
and they were able to match one
of the prints to chaz
730
00:27:35,054 --> 00:27:36,787
of the prints to chaz
blackshear. We knew that chaz
731
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:42,292
blackshear. We knew that chaz
blackshear had a phone and we
732
00:27:42,294 --> 00:27:44,294
blackshear had a phone and we
were in contact with the phone
733
00:27:44,296 --> 00:27:45,696
were in contact with the phone
company about his service. It
734
00:27:45,698 --> 00:27:48,165
company about his service. It
was a prepaid phone, and it was
735
00:27:48,167 --> 00:27:50,000
was a prepaid phone, and it was
running low on minutes. And so
736
00:27:50,002 --> 00:27:52,069
running low on minutes. And so
in a ruse, they told the phone
737
00:27:52,071 --> 00:27:53,771
in a ruse, they told the phone
company to call him and let him
738
00:27:53,773 --> 00:27:56,106
company to call him and let him
know that they were giving him
739
00:27:56,108 --> 00:27:57,675
know that they were giving him
additional minutes so that we
740
00:27:57,677 --> 00:27:59,410
additional minutes so that we
could keep tabs on where he
741
00:27:59,412 --> 00:28:01,612
could keep tabs on where he
might be. Chaz blackshear and
742
00:28:01,614 --> 00:28:05,349
might be. Chaz blackshear and
danielle hudson were staying at
743
00:28:05,351 --> 00:28:06,750
danielle hudson were staying at
a family member's home. I
744
00:28:06,752 --> 00:28:08,552
a family member's home. I
believe it was a cousin's home.
745
00:28:08,554 --> 00:28:10,054
Believe it was a cousin's home.
And so we wrote warrants for
746
00:28:10,056 --> 00:28:11,889
and so we wrote warrants for
chaz blackshear. We didn't
747
00:28:11,891 --> 00:28:13,557
chaz blackshear. We didn't
believe that we had enough at
748
00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:14,825
believe that we had enough at
that time to write one for
749
00:28:14,827 --> 00:28:16,493
that time to write one for
danielle hudson. They found
750
00:28:16,495 --> 00:28:22,232
danielle hudson. They found
chaz and danielle both at the
751
00:28:22,234 --> 00:28:23,634
chaz and danielle both at the
home. I believe they were
752
00:28:23,636 --> 00:28:24,668
home. I believe they were
sleeping on an air mattress.
753
00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:26,403
Sleeping on an air mattress.
There was something about the
754
00:28:26,405 --> 00:28:28,005
there was something about the
shape of danielle's hair or her
755
00:28:28,007 --> 00:28:29,506
shape of danielle's hair or her
head that was familiar. When
756
00:28:29,508 --> 00:28:31,141
head that was familiar. When
they saw her, she looked
757
00:28:31,143 --> 00:28:32,176
they saw her, she looked
basically like the person who
758
00:28:32,178 --> 00:28:33,844
basically like the person who
was in the video of the two
759
00:28:33,846 --> 00:28:35,345
was in the video of the two
suspects running away from the
760
00:28:35,347 --> 00:28:36,613
suspects running away from the
taxicab. The other thing that
761
00:28:36,615 --> 00:28:39,049
taxicab. The other thing that
the officers found familiar
762
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:40,918
the officers found familiar
about danielle was the sound of
763
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,019
about danielle was the sound of
her voice. They had listened to
764
00:28:42,021 --> 00:28:44,488
her voice. They had listened to
the recordings of the phone
765
00:28:44,490 --> 00:28:46,023
the recordings of the phone
calls being made to the cab
766
00:28:46,025 --> 00:28:47,524
calls being made to the cab
companies. And when they talked
767
00:28:47,526 --> 00:28:48,459
companies. And when they talked
to her, they noticed that her
768
00:28:48,461 --> 00:28:49,393
to her, they noticed that her
voice sounded very similar to,
769
00:28:49,395 --> 00:28:51,195
voice sounded very similar to,
if not the same, as the person
770
00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:52,463
if not the same, as the person
who'd made those phone calls.
771
00:28:52,465 --> 00:28:56,400
Who'd made those phone calls.
They arrested chaz on the
772
00:28:56,402 --> 00:29:01,105
they arrested chaz on the
warrant. And then they asked
773
00:29:01,107 --> 00:29:02,573
warrant. And then they asked
danielle hudson if she wouldn't
774
00:29:02,575 --> 00:29:03,941
danielle hudson if she wouldn't
mind coming down to the police
775
00:29:03,943 --> 00:29:05,642
mind coming down to the police
station and giving a statement,
776
00:29:05,644 --> 00:29:06,810
station and giving a statement,
and she agreed to do so. The
777
00:29:06,812 --> 00:29:08,679
and she agreed to do so. The
detectives decided they first
778
00:29:08,681 --> 00:29:10,247
detectives decided they first
wanted to speak with chaz
779
00:29:10,249 --> 00:29:11,248
wanted to speak with chaz
blackshear and see what he
780
00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:12,282
blackshear and see what he
would admit to regarding the
781
00:29:12,284 --> 00:29:13,684
would admit to regarding the
crimes. He said that he had
782
00:29:13,686 --> 00:29:19,623
crimes. He said that he had
taken cabs. He might have even
783
00:29:19,625 --> 00:29:22,159
taken cabs. He might have even
been in the cabs of the
784
00:29:22,161 --> 00:29:23,961
been in the cabs of the
murdered drivers, but that he
785
00:29:23,963 --> 00:29:25,062
murdered drivers, but that he
was not involved in any way,
786
00:29:25,064 --> 00:29:26,063
was not involved in any way,
shape, or form in those
787
00:29:26,065 --> 00:29:26,497
shape, or form in those
murders.
788
00:29:26,499 --> 00:29:28,665
Murders.
>> chaz. Chaz, listen to me, my
789
00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:29,833
>> chaz. Chaz, listen to me, my
friend. I know where you went
790
00:29:29,835 --> 00:29:32,236
friend. I know where you went
because I've got it on
791
00:29:32,238 --> 00:29:34,304
because I've got it on
videotape with three different
792
00:29:34,306 --> 00:29:36,073
videotape with three different
angles. I know where danielle
793
00:29:36,075 --> 00:29:37,674
angles. I know where danielle
went. I know where she walked
794
00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:40,110
went. I know where she walked
to. I know when she walked
795
00:29:40,112 --> 00:29:42,045
to. I know when she walked
back. I know when you got out
796
00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:43,781
back. I know when you got out
of the cab. I know when you
797
00:29:43,783 --> 00:29:45,249
of the cab. I know when you
walked around the cab. I know
798
00:29:45,251 --> 00:29:47,351
walked around the cab. I know
when you walked up to the
799
00:29:47,353 --> 00:29:48,719
when you walked up to the
driver of the cab. And I know
800
00:29:48,721 --> 00:29:50,020
driver of the cab. And I know
what you did when you got to
801
00:29:50,022 --> 00:29:51,221
what you did when you got to
the driver because I've got it
802
00:29:51,223 --> 00:29:51,755
the driver because I've got it
on videotape.
803
00:29:51,757 --> 00:29:54,691
On videotape.
>> I never, well, that's not
804
00:29:54,693 --> 00:29:55,359
>> I never, well, that's not
true. That couldn't have been
805
00:29:55,361 --> 00:29:55,993
true. That couldn't have been
us. That's not true.
806
00:29:55,995 --> 00:29:58,962
Us. That's not true.
>> detective waters was trying
807
00:29:58,964 --> 00:30:02,432
>> detective waters was trying
to get chaz to confess to his
808
00:30:02,434 --> 00:30:07,771
to get chaz to confess to his
involvement in these crimes,
809
00:30:07,773 --> 00:30:09,973
involvement in these crimes,
but was unsuccessful initially.
810
00:30:09,975 --> 00:30:12,176
But was unsuccessful initially.
And the one ace in the hole
811
00:30:12,178 --> 00:30:14,278
and the one ace in the hole
that we had was danielle
812
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,013
that we had was danielle
hudson. We still had an
813
00:30:16,015 --> 00:30:16,814
hudson. We still had an
opportunity to talk to her and
814
00:30:16,816 --> 00:30:18,282
opportunity to talk to her and
try and find out the crime from
815
00:30:18,284 --> 00:30:19,383
try and find out the crime from
her and then maybe use what she
816
00:30:19,385 --> 00:30:21,785
her and then maybe use what she
told us to get chaz to tell us
817
00:30:21,787 --> 00:30:23,387
told us to get chaz to tell us
the truth. Brian harris showed
818
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:27,758
the truth. Brian harris showed
her the footage from the crime
819
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,226
her the footage from the crime
scene and pointed out the
820
00:30:29,228 --> 00:30:30,961
scene and pointed out the
similarities between her and
821
00:30:30,963 --> 00:30:32,629
similarities between her and
the female on the surveillance
822
00:30:32,631 --> 00:30:34,698
the female on the surveillance
footage. And she admitted at
823
00:30:34,700 --> 00:30:36,333
footage. And she admitted at
that point that that was in
824
00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:39,536
that point that that was in
fact her. That was a huge break
825
00:30:39,538 --> 00:30:41,038
fact her. That was a huge break
in the case for us. We already
826
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:42,606
in the case for us. We already
had some evidence that tied
827
00:30:42,608 --> 00:30:44,541
had some evidence that tied
them to this particular case,
828
00:30:44,543 --> 00:30:46,643
them to this particular case,
but now that we know that she's
829
00:30:46,645 --> 00:30:48,212
but now that we know that she's
admitting to being the person
830
00:30:48,214 --> 00:30:49,413
admitting to being the person
on that video, now we know that
831
00:30:49,415 --> 00:30:51,682
on that video, now we know that
those two are probably our best
832
00:30:51,684 --> 00:30:53,917
those two are probably our best
suspects. Danielle seemed to
833
00:30:53,919 --> 00:30:58,789
suspects. Danielle seemed to
think that because she wasn't
834
00:30:58,791 --> 00:31:05,262
think that because she wasn't
the actual shooter, that
835
00:31:05,264 --> 00:31:07,097
the actual shooter, that
somehow she would play no part
836
00:31:07,099 --> 00:31:08,832
somehow she would play no part
in this particular crime, and
837
00:31:08,834 --> 00:31:10,167
in this particular crime, and
she was pretty quick in ratting
838
00:31:10,169 --> 00:31:10,634
she was pretty quick in ratting
out chaz.
839
00:31:10,636 --> 00:31:14,638
Out chaz.
>> he cocked the gun, and
840
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,206
>> he cocked the gun, and
that's when the cab driver
841
00:31:16,208 --> 00:31:17,407
that's when the cab driver
opened the door. I tried to
842
00:31:17,409 --> 00:31:19,443
opened the door. I tried to
take off the seatbelt to run,
843
00:31:19,445 --> 00:31:20,611
take off the seatbelt to run,
and that's when he just started
844
00:31:20,613 --> 00:31:21,879
and that's when he just started
shooting him. He just told me,
845
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:23,647
shooting him. He just told me,
he said that we'll call the cab
846
00:31:23,649 --> 00:31:25,849
he said that we'll call the cab
and that he was just gonna jack
847
00:31:25,851 --> 00:31:28,018
and that he was just gonna jack
the man. I didn't know that he
848
00:31:28,020 --> 00:31:30,554
the man. I didn't know that he
was going to kill the man. I
849
00:31:30,556 --> 00:31:31,154
was going to kill the man. I
did not know that.
850
00:31:31,156 --> 00:31:33,323
Did not know that.
>> okay.
851
00:31:33,325 --> 00:31:37,261
>> okay.
>> danielle hudson claimed that
852
00:31:37,263 --> 00:31:37,961
>> danielle hudson claimed that
she was driving the cab and
853
00:31:37,963 --> 00:31:39,263
she was driving the cab and
that she heard chaz having a
854
00:31:39,265 --> 00:31:40,864
that she heard chaz having a
conversation with mr. El sayed.
855
00:31:40,866 --> 00:31:43,267
Conversation with mr. El sayed.
At that point, she just thought
856
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:44,301
at that point, she just thought
they were gonna rob him.
857
00:31:44,303 --> 00:31:46,303
They were gonna rob him.
Mohammad was saying, "please
858
00:31:46,305 --> 00:31:47,537
mohammad was saying, "please
don't kill me. I have kids."
859
00:31:47,539 --> 00:31:48,538
don't kill me. I have kids."
and chaz said, "well, how old
860
00:31:48,540 --> 00:31:50,173
and chaz said, "well, how old
are your kids? " and once he
861
00:31:50,175 --> 00:31:51,642
are your kids? " and once he
told them how old they were,
862
00:31:51,644 --> 00:31:52,809
told them how old they were,
chaz was basically like, "well,
863
00:31:52,811 --> 00:31:53,944
chaz was basically like, "well,
that's old enough, " and shot
864
00:31:53,946 --> 00:31:55,312
that's old enough, " and shot
him. The children were like
865
00:31:55,314 --> 00:31:59,283
him. The children were like
maybe 6 years old. That was old
866
00:31:59,285 --> 00:32:01,685
maybe 6 years old. That was old
enough in his mind. And when
867
00:32:01,687 --> 00:32:04,588
enough in his mind. And when
the gun went off, she claimed
868
00:32:04,590 --> 00:32:05,622
the gun went off, she claimed
she was surprised, although she
869
00:32:05,624 --> 00:32:07,324
she was surprised, although she
then helped pull the body out
870
00:32:07,326 --> 00:32:08,592
then helped pull the body out
of the car and kick him down
871
00:32:08,594 --> 00:32:10,694
of the car and kick him down
into the culvert. From
872
00:32:10,696 --> 00:32:13,063
into the culvert. From
danielle's perspective, I think
873
00:32:13,065 --> 00:32:14,197
danielle's perspective, I think
she wanted the police to
874
00:32:14,199 --> 00:32:15,799
she wanted the police to
believe that they were only
875
00:32:15,801 --> 00:32:17,601
believe that they were only
gonna use the gun to scare
876
00:32:17,603 --> 00:32:18,969
gonna use the gun to scare
people and get money. She did
877
00:32:18,971 --> 00:32:21,038
people and get money. She did
not want the police believing
878
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:22,639
not want the police believing
that she knew that the murders
879
00:32:22,641 --> 00:32:24,608
that she knew that the murders
would happen beforehand. As she
880
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:29,913
would happen beforehand. As she
said in the interview, this was
881
00:32:29,915 --> 00:32:31,014
said in the interview, this was
the beginning of his life of
882
00:32:31,016 --> 00:32:32,582
the beginning of his life of
crime and that maybe he enjoyed
883
00:32:32,584 --> 00:32:34,685
crime and that maybe he enjoyed
it a little bit. Danielle
884
00:32:34,687 --> 00:32:37,754
it a little bit. Danielle
claims that chaz told her,
885
00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:39,456
claims that chaz told her,
"don't worry about it. If we
886
00:32:39,458 --> 00:32:40,824
"don't worry about it. If we
ever get caught, " and that's a
887
00:32:40,826 --> 00:32:42,759
ever get caught, " and that's a
big if in his mind, "if we ever
888
00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:44,695
big if in his mind, "if we ever
get caught, I'll take full
889
00:32:44,697 --> 00:32:46,396
get caught, I'll take full
responsibility and you won't
890
00:32:46,398 --> 00:32:47,831
responsibility and you won't
have any blame in this
891
00:32:47,833 --> 00:32:48,332
have any blame in this
whatsoever."
892
00:32:48,334 --> 00:32:53,704
whatsoever."
893
00:32:54,439 --> 00:32:55,706
>> two cab drivers murdered
within 48 hours of each other.
894
00:32:55,708 --> 00:32:57,641
Within 48 hours of each other.
The tension in the city with
895
00:32:57,643 --> 00:33:00,510
the tension in the city with
these reports coming out, it
896
00:33:00,512 --> 00:33:02,212
these reports coming out, it
was very real. And now we
897
00:33:02,214 --> 00:33:04,614
was very real. And now we
finally have two suspects that
898
00:33:04,616 --> 00:33:06,483
finally have two suspects that
have been arrested. And the
899
00:33:06,485 --> 00:33:07,818
have been arrested. And the
city of houston, you could
900
00:33:07,820 --> 00:33:09,252
city of houston, you could
almost sense a sigh of relief.
901
00:33:09,254 --> 00:33:11,788
Almost sense a sigh of relief.
Chaz blackshear and danielle
902
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:13,156
chaz blackshear and danielle
hudson were now looking at two
903
00:33:13,158 --> 00:33:13,957
hudson were now looking at two
counts of first-degree murder.
904
00:33:13,959 --> 00:33:17,194
Counts of first-degree murder.
>> during the interview with
905
00:33:17,196 --> 00:33:22,632
>> during the interview with
danielle, my partner's in the
906
00:33:22,634 --> 00:33:24,301
danielle, my partner's in the
other room with chaz, and
907
00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,003
other room with chaz, and
they've been talking for a long
908
00:33:26,005 --> 00:33:27,304
they've been talking for a long
time, and he was a pretty cool
909
00:33:27,306 --> 00:33:29,106
time, and he was a pretty cool
character. He wasn't giving an
910
00:33:29,108 --> 00:33:29,506
character. He wasn't giving an
inch.
911
00:33:29,508 --> 00:33:33,210
Inch.
>> detective waters told chaz,
912
00:33:33,212 --> 00:33:34,244
>> detective waters told chaz,
you know, "danielle's talking
913
00:33:34,246 --> 00:33:35,312
you know, "danielle's talking
to us. She's telling us what
914
00:33:35,314 --> 00:33:37,114
to us. She's telling us what
happened. She's telling us that
915
00:33:37,116 --> 00:33:38,382
happened. She's telling us that
you were involved and that you
916
00:33:38,384 --> 00:33:39,750
you were involved and that you
are the shooter in both of
917
00:33:39,752 --> 00:33:40,951
are the shooter in both of
those cases." and chaz wouldn't
918
00:33:40,953 --> 00:33:42,786
those cases." and chaz wouldn't
bite. He didn't believe that
919
00:33:42,788 --> 00:33:44,087
bite. He didn't believe that
she was telling them. He said,
920
00:33:44,089 --> 00:33:45,455
she was telling them. He said,
"that's not the truth."
921
00:33:45,457 --> 00:33:47,391
"that's not the truth."
sergeant harris had danielle
922
00:33:47,393 --> 00:33:49,159
sergeant harris had danielle
write a note, like, "you
923
00:33:49,161 --> 00:33:51,328
write a note, like, "you
promised me you'd take
924
00:33:51,330 --> 00:33:51,895
promised me you'd take
responsibility."
925
00:33:51,897 --> 00:33:54,197
responsibility."
>> he looks at that note, and
926
00:33:54,199 --> 00:33:55,832
>> he looks at that note, and
it doesn't break him. He looks
927
00:33:55,834 --> 00:33:57,968
it doesn't break him. He looks
at it, and he says, "she didn't
928
00:33:57,970 --> 00:33:59,102
at it, and he says, "she didn't
write this. There's no spelling
929
00:33:59,104 --> 00:34:01,938
write this. There's no spelling
mistakes. She's not that
930
00:34:01,940 --> 00:34:04,241
mistakes. She's not that
smart." still not breaking. We
931
00:34:04,243 --> 00:34:06,877
smart." still not breaking. We
bring in the photographs, and
932
00:34:06,879 --> 00:34:08,612
bring in the photographs, and
on one of the photographs,
933
00:34:08,614 --> 00:34:10,514
on one of the photographs,
danielle has circled chaz and
934
00:34:10,516 --> 00:34:12,482
danielle has circled chaz and
she writes in her own
935
00:34:12,484 --> 00:34:14,418
she writes in her own
handwriting, "my ex-boyfriend."
936
00:34:14,420 --> 00:34:18,055
handwriting, "my ex-boyfriend."
he's surprised. And then
937
00:34:18,057 --> 00:34:19,256
he's surprised. And then
finally, as a result of seeing
938
00:34:19,258 --> 00:34:20,957
finally, as a result of seeing
more and more of these
939
00:34:20,959 --> 00:34:22,859
more and more of these
photographs that she has signed
940
00:34:22,861 --> 00:34:24,561
photographs that she has signed
off on, he then agrees to tell
941
00:34:24,563 --> 00:34:25,362
off on, he then agrees to tell
the full story to my partner.
942
00:34:25,364 --> 00:34:29,666
The full story to my partner.
>> chaz blackshear said he
943
00:34:29,668 --> 00:34:34,438
>> chaz blackshear said he
would tell the police
944
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,439
would tell the police
everything, but not until he
945
00:34:35,441 --> 00:34:37,574
everything, but not until he
had a chance to talk to
946
00:34:37,576 --> 00:34:39,576
had a chance to talk to
danielle. "I want to see her."
947
00:34:39,578 --> 00:34:40,477
danielle. "I want to see her."
if you let me see her, I'll
948
00:34:40,479 --> 00:34:41,445
if you let me see her, I'll
tell you whatever you want to
949
00:34:41,447 --> 00:34:42,879
tell you whatever you want to
know." we said, "well, we don't
950
00:34:42,881 --> 00:34:45,348
know." we said, "well, we don't
-- we're not gonna put her in
951
00:34:45,350 --> 00:34:46,683
-- we're not gonna put her in
the room first. Tell us first,
952
00:34:46,685 --> 00:34:48,985
the room first. Tell us first,
and then we'll see what we can
953
00:34:48,987 --> 00:34:51,621
and then we'll see what we can
do." and he does. He describes
954
00:34:51,623 --> 00:34:55,025
do." and he does. He describes
in detail what he did. The
955
00:34:55,027 --> 00:34:56,827
in detail what he did. The
actual, quote, confession
956
00:34:56,829 --> 00:34:59,029
actual, quote, confession
itself is probably less than
957
00:34:59,031 --> 00:35:01,098
itself is probably less than
five to seven minutes. What
958
00:35:01,100 --> 00:35:03,533
five to seven minutes. What
happens next is pretty
959
00:35:03,535 --> 00:35:04,034
happens next is pretty
incredible.
960
00:35:04,036 --> 00:35:10,273
Incredible.
>> the detectives were true to
961
00:35:10,275 --> 00:35:11,875
>> the detectives were true to
their word. After chaz
962
00:35:11,877 --> 00:35:12,809
their word. After chaz
confessed and told them what
963
00:35:12,811 --> 00:35:14,411
confessed and told them what
had happened in the crimes,
964
00:35:14,413 --> 00:35:15,745
had happened in the crimes,
they allowed danielle to be in
965
00:35:15,747 --> 00:35:17,581
they allowed danielle to be in
the same room with chaz. You
966
00:35:17,583 --> 00:35:19,116
the same room with chaz. You
could see what their
967
00:35:19,118 --> 00:35:23,353
could see what their
relationship was like, and
968
00:35:23,355 --> 00:35:24,521
relationship was like, and
there was no fear on danielle's
969
00:35:24,523 --> 00:35:25,555
there was no fear on danielle's
face. As a matter of fact,
970
00:35:25,557 --> 00:35:26,656
face. As a matter of fact,
instead of sitting in a chair
971
00:35:26,658 --> 00:35:27,891
instead of sitting in a chair
across the table from him, she
972
00:35:27,893 --> 00:35:29,326
across the table from him, she
went right up to him and sat in
973
00:35:29,328 --> 00:35:29,759
went right up to him and sat in
his lap.
974
00:35:29,761 --> 00:35:33,930
His lap.
>> her arms are curled around
975
00:35:33,932 --> 00:35:34,965
>> her arms are curled around
his head, like almost massaging
976
00:35:34,967 --> 00:35:37,367
his head, like almost massaging
his ears and scratching his
977
00:35:37,369 --> 00:35:39,002
his ears and scratching his
head and saying, "well, you
978
00:35:39,004 --> 00:35:40,971
head and saying, "well, you
told me that you would do this
979
00:35:40,973 --> 00:35:44,741
told me that you would do this
and that you would take
980
00:35:44,743 --> 00:35:46,076
and that you would take
responsibility because I have
981
00:35:46,078 --> 00:35:46,543
responsibility because I have
my son."
982
00:35:46,545 --> 00:35:51,681
my son."
>> when they let her come talk
983
00:35:51,683 --> 00:35:52,582
>> when they let her come talk
to me, I told her then, you
984
00:35:52,584 --> 00:35:54,451
to me, I told her then, you
know what I'm saying, "I got
985
00:35:54,453 --> 00:35:56,219
know what I'm saying, "I got
you. Put it on me. But you got
986
00:35:56,221 --> 00:35:58,121
you. Put it on me. But you got
to do the same. It's the only
987
00:35:58,123 --> 00:35:58,889
to do the same. It's the only
way you can get out of it."
988
00:35:58,891 --> 00:36:00,991
way you can get out of it."
>> he then asked her, "are you
989
00:36:00,993 --> 00:36:01,691
>> he then asked her, "are you
going to jail? " and she
990
00:36:01,693 --> 00:36:02,626
going to jail? " and she
doesn't know at that point,
991
00:36:02,628 --> 00:36:04,828
doesn't know at that point,
because in our interview, I
992
00:36:04,830 --> 00:36:06,229
because in our interview, I
said, "I don't know if you're
993
00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:07,864
said, "I don't know if you're
going to be charged." basically,
994
00:36:07,866 --> 00:36:09,533
going to be charged." basically,
depends on what she says.
995
00:36:09,535 --> 00:36:12,102
Depends on what she says.
>> do you hate me?
996
00:36:12,104 --> 00:36:13,837
>> do you hate me?
>> no. That's why, that's why I
997
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:15,305
>> no. That's why, that's why I
confessed to it. If I hated you,
998
00:36:15,307 --> 00:36:15,839
confessed to it. If I hated you,
I wouldn't have did it.
999
00:36:15,841 --> 00:36:20,844
I wouldn't have did it.
>> criminals normally aren't
1000
00:36:20,846 --> 00:36:22,779
>> criminals normally aren't
very smart, and so the fact
1001
00:36:22,781 --> 00:36:24,047
very smart, and so the fact
that the two of them were
1002
00:36:24,049 --> 00:36:25,582
that the two of them were
together and they spoke so
1003
00:36:25,584 --> 00:36:26,983
together and they spoke so
openly talking about the case,
1004
00:36:26,985 --> 00:36:28,652
openly talking about the case,
who was gonna take the blame,
1005
00:36:28,654 --> 00:36:30,086
who was gonna take the blame,
they must been shocked when
1006
00:36:30,088 --> 00:36:31,087
they must been shocked when
they realize that the police
1007
00:36:31,089 --> 00:36:31,888
they realize that the police
were listening to every word.
1008
00:36:31,890 --> 00:36:34,457
Were listening to every word.
>> once we had the confessions
1009
00:36:34,459 --> 00:36:35,292
>> once we had the confessions
from chaz and danielle, we then
1010
00:36:35,294 --> 00:36:37,060
from chaz and danielle, we then
filed formal charges of capital
1011
00:36:37,062 --> 00:36:39,262
filed formal charges of capital
murder against them for both of
1012
00:36:39,264 --> 00:36:39,829
murder against them for both of
the cab drivers.
1013
00:36:39,831 --> 00:36:44,367
The cab drivers.
>> just because she didn't
1014
00:36:44,369 --> 00:36:45,702
>> just because she didn't
shoot the victims, just because
1015
00:36:45,704 --> 00:36:47,003
shoot the victims, just because
she wasn't the one actually
1016
00:36:47,005 --> 00:36:48,004
she wasn't the one actually
pulling the trigger doesn't
1017
00:36:48,006 --> 00:36:49,206
pulling the trigger doesn't
mean that she was gonna get off
1018
00:36:49,208 --> 00:36:49,873
mean that she was gonna get off
completely scot-free.
1019
00:36:49,875 --> 00:36:53,176
Completely scot-free.
>> in the end, both chaz
1020
00:36:53,178 --> 00:36:57,113
>> in the end, both chaz
blackshear and danielle hudson
1021
00:36:57,115 --> 00:36:57,681
blackshear and danielle hudson
plead guilty.
1022
00:36:57,683 --> 00:37:01,418
Plead guilty.
>> she was allowed to plead
1023
00:37:01,420 --> 00:37:02,719
>> she was allowed to plead
guilty to a lesser included
1024
00:37:02,721 --> 00:37:04,221
guilty to a lesser included
offense. The state chose to
1025
00:37:04,223 --> 00:37:06,990
offense. The state chose to
seek the death penalty against
1026
00:37:06,992 --> 00:37:08,525
seek the death penalty against
chaz blackshear because we
1027
00:37:08,527 --> 00:37:09,759
chaz blackshear because we
thought the cases were
1028
00:37:09,761 --> 00:37:11,061
thought the cases were
cold-blooded enough, and we
1029
00:37:11,063 --> 00:37:12,295
cold-blooded enough, and we
thought a jury would return a
1030
00:37:12,297 --> 00:37:12,896
thought a jury would return a
verdict of death.
1031
00:37:12,898 --> 00:37:15,699
Verdict of death.
>> danielle hudson gets
1032
00:37:15,701 --> 00:37:17,200
>> danielle hudson gets
sentenced to 40 years, 40 years
1033
00:37:17,202 --> 00:37:19,402
sentenced to 40 years, 40 years
in texas, department of
1034
00:37:19,404 --> 00:37:21,638
in texas, department of
corrections -- tdc. Chaz
1035
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,207
corrections -- tdc. Chaz
blackshear, he also pleads
1036
00:37:24,209 --> 00:37:24,641
blackshear, he also pleads
guilty.
1037
00:37:24,643 --> 00:37:28,144
Guilty.
>> my lawyer at the time didn't
1038
00:37:28,146 --> 00:37:30,180
>> my lawyer at the time didn't
understand. At the time, they
1039
00:37:30,182 --> 00:37:33,550
understand. At the time, they
were trying to get me the death
1040
00:37:33,552 --> 00:37:34,618
were trying to get me the death
penalty, you know? And I wasn't
1041
00:37:34,620 --> 00:37:36,319
penalty, you know? And I wasn't
trying to fight it. And I
1042
00:37:36,321 --> 00:37:38,455
trying to fight it. And I
really didn't care about it.
1043
00:37:38,457 --> 00:37:39,623
Really didn't care about it.
Long as they got off, then I
1044
00:37:39,625 --> 00:37:41,524
long as they got off, then I
was good no matter what, you
1045
00:37:41,526 --> 00:37:43,026
was good no matter what, you
know, what I'm saying? Whether
1046
00:37:43,028 --> 00:37:44,027
know, what I'm saying? Whether
it's death, whether it's life,
1047
00:37:44,029 --> 00:37:44,961
it's death, whether it's life,
whether it's freedom. I put
1048
00:37:44,963 --> 00:37:46,463
whether it's freedom. I put
them before myself and that's
1049
00:37:46,465 --> 00:37:47,163
them before myself and that's
what a family man does.
1050
00:37:47,165 --> 00:37:52,502
What a family man does.
>> chaz, he takes a life
1051
00:37:52,504 --> 00:37:56,906
>> chaz, he takes a life
sentence without the
1052
00:37:56,908 --> 00:37:58,241
sentence without the
possibility of parole. He will
1053
00:37:58,243 --> 00:37:58,942
possibility of parole. He will
die behind bars in tdc.
1054
00:37:58,944 --> 00:38:03,713
Die behind bars in tdc.
>> I would say that chaz
1055
00:38:03,715 --> 00:38:08,518
>> I would say that chaz
blackshear and danielle hudson
1056
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,487
blackshear and danielle hudson
were both just cold-blooded
1057
00:38:10,489 --> 00:38:11,821
were both just cold-blooded
killers. They really don't care
1058
00:38:11,823 --> 00:38:12,956
killers. They really don't care
about anybody who isn't part of
1059
00:38:12,958 --> 00:38:15,091
about anybody who isn't part of
their immediate family or their
1060
00:38:15,093 --> 00:38:16,326
their immediate family or their
inner circle. The cab drivers
1061
00:38:16,328 --> 00:38:19,629
inner circle. The cab drivers
that they killed were nothing
1062
00:38:19,631 --> 00:38:20,263
that they killed were nothing
and nobody to them.
1063
00:38:20,265 --> 00:38:23,133
And nobody to them.
>> danielle had a child. And so
1064
00:38:23,135 --> 00:38:25,302
>> danielle had a child. And so
potentially the motive behind
1065
00:38:25,304 --> 00:38:26,903
potentially the motive behind
this was maybe they were trying
1066
00:38:26,905 --> 00:38:28,305
this was maybe they were trying
to provide for the child. And
1067
00:38:28,307 --> 00:38:30,940
to provide for the child. And
then it just kind of spiraled
1068
00:38:30,942 --> 00:38:31,508
then it just kind of spiraled
out of control.
1069
00:38:31,510 --> 00:38:34,377
Out of control.
>> would they have gone on to
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00:38:34,379 --> 00:38:35,745
>> would they have gone on to
kill again? I'm convinced of
1071
00:38:35,747 --> 00:38:38,281
kill again? I'm convinced of
it. How many more dead bodies
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00:38:38,283 --> 00:38:40,116
it. How many more dead bodies
would there have been? Who
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00:38:40,118 --> 00:38:41,284
would there have been? Who
knows? I was very grateful to
1074
00:38:41,286 --> 00:38:43,620
knows? I was very grateful to
see that they were stopped
1075
00:38:43,622 --> 00:38:45,422
see that they were stopped
before we could find that
1076
00:38:45,424 --> 00:38:47,557
before we could find that
answer out. In either case,
1077
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:51,961
answer out. In either case,
society lost two people who
1078
00:38:51,963 --> 00:38:54,097
society lost two people who
were family men, who loved
1079
00:38:54,099 --> 00:38:55,598
were family men, who loved
their children, who needed to
1080
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:58,101
their children, who needed to
be treated with dignity in life,
1081
00:38:58,103 --> 00:38:59,803
be treated with dignity in life,
and certainly were not treated
1082
00:38:59,805 --> 00:39:01,771
and certainly were not treated
with dignity in death by these
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00:39:01,773 --> 00:39:05,342
with dignity in death by these
two crooks.
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Two crooks.
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