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(SCHOOL BELL RINGS)
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FRANK TASSONE:
I wanted to make a difference.
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We did!
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WOMAN:
This is a criminal matter.
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TASSONE:
If this scandal gets out,
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we will lose everything.
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(BLENDER WHIRRING)
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♪ The hardest button to button ♪
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The FBI developed
detailed profiles
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of the suspect.
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MAN: He checks all the boxes.
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When the body of Nathaniel Cater
washed up, I said,
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"I think Wayne Williams
has a problem."
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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MAN 2: Trace evidence
was a critical aspect
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of an investigation.
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MAN 3: Fiber samples
from the Williams' home
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matched fibers
on multiple victims.
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-This is it.
-But that really wasn't it.
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I hadn't killed anybody.
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MAN 4: Why was Wayne Williams
on the bridge?
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'Cause he was dropping
a body.
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MAN 5:
They had to close the case.
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They were going to implicate him
by any means necessary.
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MAN 6: He was being charged
with the murder of two men.
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Where is the solution
to these dozens of children?
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[TV static drones]
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[bright tone]
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["Save Me"
by Joan Armatrading playing]
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ Sinking ♪
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♪ Caught up
in a whirling motion ♪
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♪ Such a strange sensation ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ The currents uncertain ♪
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♪ Like sails of a mill,
I spin ♪
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♪ Like wheels,
I move in a circle ♪
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♪ While you stand ♪
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♪ On the bank ♪
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♪ Immune or evasive ♪
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♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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- In an Atlanta courtroom
yesterday,
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testimony began in one
of the most widely publicized
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murder trials in recent times.
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- Williams is charged
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only with 2 of the 28 murders
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on the special task force
list,
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those of Nathaniel Cater
and Jimmy Ray Payne.
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But the prosecution
wants to introduce evidence
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linking Williams
to ten additional victims.
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[dramatic music]
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- Wayne Williams' team
knew the prosecution intended
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to introduce evidence
of one or more
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of the official child murders,
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but they didn't know how many.
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And in the middle of trial,
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they announced that
they are introducing evidence
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of ten other murders.
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Good luck with that defense.
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- Joe Drolet notified
Judge Cooper
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the state would like to show
the jury a pattern of killings
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it claims Wayne Williams
committed.
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Drolet read the names
of ten other victims:
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Alfred Evans,
Eric Middlebrooks,
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Charles Stephens,
Lubie Geter,
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Terry Pue, Patrick Baltazar,
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Joseph Bell, Larry Rogers,
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John Porter,
and William Barrett.
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- The prosecution said,
with magic dust and mirrors,
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"We're gonna," you know,
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"Give you an additional
ten murders."
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- It was absolutely crazy.
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How do you defend
against what we did not know?
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[solemn music]
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[indistinct chatter]
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- No comment.
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- Mary, it's the first time
that the police
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have publicly stated
that Wayne is the suspect
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in more than the two cases
he is charged in.
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Any comment on that?
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- I have no comment
on anything.
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- The state built its case
around this notion
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that if Wayne Williams
killed one, he killed them all.
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- Similar transactions
have been used
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as long as there have been
courts
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in the Anglo-American system.
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First case I found in
the United States Supreme Court
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on it was in 1842,
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saying that it is
a common practice
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and it is completely
appropriate to use
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evidence of another crime,
proves the crime on trial.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- Normally in cases
where they allow
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pattern evidence,
they stop the trial,
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and you have a hearing
to determine whether or not
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these cases should be allowed
as pattern evidence.
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We didn't have that.
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Judge Cooper did not help
the defense at all.
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He decided to allow
the prosecution
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to bring on
the pattern evidence.
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- Out of 11 choices,
the computer picked this man
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to sit in judgement
over all future decisions
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about accused murderer
Wayne Williams.
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Ironically, Judge Cooper,
randomly selected
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from that computer,
knows both sides real well.
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In fact, he worked for
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Fulton County District
Attorney Lewis Slayton
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for eight years.
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Cooper was then an assistant
district attorney.
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He still refers to
Lewis Slayton as "the boss."
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- Clarence Cooper
was the city of Atlanta's
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first black
superior court judge,
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and I don't really think
he wanted the case.
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It was almost as if
the cards were being stacked
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so that if this black man
is found guilty,
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it's black people who did it.
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So the black community
will therefore accept it.
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There were so many other judges
who could have done it
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who had more tenure.
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So why was it given to him?
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And I think it was
given to him
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because he was the most
prominent black judge.
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- With every
critical decision,
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Judge Cooper is ruling
in favor of Lewis Slayton,
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and so here comes
the pattern evidence.
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[ominous music]
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- They said, "This person
should be considered
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"a part of the pattern
because that person was black,
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"found partially clothed,
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either stabbed or strangled
or drowned."
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Every case could have been
a part of the pattern,
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because how many other ways
is there to die?
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- They were under 12.
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They were over 25.
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They were very tall.
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They were very small.
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Find me a pattern.
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- Wayne's been charged
with two murders.
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The task force has
more than 20 murders.
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Do the investigators think
he's guilty of more than two?
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Is it 10?
Is it 22?
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Is it all of them?
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- There were so many things
that just pointed directly
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at Wayne Williams.
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The 12 cases were
logically connected,
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because the same fibers
kept showing up
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over and over and over again.
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♪ ♪
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- Okay.
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So this a summary chart
that I put together
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to help me keep track of
the number of associations
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with the different victims.
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If you take
any particular victim
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and you look across,
some victims only had
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one association.
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Some had as many
as eight or nine
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different types
of associations.
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That's different objects
that linked the victim
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to Williams' environment,
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the ones that I considered
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kind of the more primary
fiber types.
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In terms of the dog hair,
there 18 cases
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where dog hair is associated
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with Sheba,
the German Shepherd
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from the Williams home,
were found to have
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a positive association.
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There are fibers that match
different vehicles
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that the family had access to
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throughout the time frame
of the cases,
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fibers that matched a throw rug
that was in the kitchen...
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and a bath mat set.
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The only fiber type
that had more matches
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than the 18 dog hairs was
the violet acetate,
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where there were
21 different victims
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that had fibers matching
the violet acetate.
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One of the distinctive fibers
was this green carpet,
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and the green carpet fibers
had 15 different cases
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where there were associations
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that matched
the Williams home.
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Both Payne and Cater
had the green carpet,
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both had the violet acetate.
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All of it matched
the Williams environment.
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- As the defense watched
intently,
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an FBI expert
used detailed charts
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to make his conclusion
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that fibers
removed from the 12 victims
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were similar
to those taken from
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the home and car
of Wayne Williams.
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[dramatic music]
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- Man-made carpet fibers have
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a very specific
chemical composition
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and specific shape.
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Wayne Williams'
green carpet fiber was
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man-made
by a specific factory,
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by a specific company,
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during a relatively short
period of time.
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- Because most fibers have
identifiable characteristics,
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investigators had hoped
to trace
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the Williams carpet fiber
to its source.
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A breakthrough led quickly
to Wellman Industries
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of tiny Johnsonville,
South Carolina.
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Today a company official
testified
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the fiber in question
was indeed a Wellman fiber.
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We know of no one else
in the world
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who makes a fiber like that.
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- Wellman was a small company
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in Johnsonville,
South Carolina,
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so small that people
in the industry
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didn't consider them
as a source.
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West Point-Pepperell
used the Wellman fiber
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to make a carpet
called the Luxaire line.
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It was an English Olive color.
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They had only used
the 181B fiber in 1970.
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820 rooms of carpet
was distributed
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into ten southeastern states.
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So we did not know how much was
shipped to these ten states.
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But if you consider
an equal distribution,
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that would put roughly
82 rooms of that carpet
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for the entire state
of Georgia.
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- It's unique, you know,
this fiber.
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- Remember, this is 1980.
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You're in cloth country
down here.
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This our business
in the South.
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The industries all up and down
the river, you know,
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are dumping
right into the river.
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Of course it was
full of fibers.
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Not only the green fibers
or the red fibers
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or the German Shepherd
hair follicles,
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there was everything in there.
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[foreboding music]
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- Dr. Randall Bresee
conducted several tests,
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one by placing a so-called
"fiber-free" pillowcase
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into the Chattahoochee River
for 30 minutes.
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- We bought two pillowcases,
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and we took 'em down
to the Chattahoochee
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and dragged 'em in the water.
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- He told the jury
when it came out,
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hundreds of fibers clung
to the material,
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suggesting fibers found on
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Cater and Jimmy Payne's bodies
may have been picked up
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from the river,
not Williams' home and car.
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♪ ♪
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- I got to examine the fibers
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on this pillowcase study
he had done,
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and there were about 35 fibers
total.
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And none of them were
remotely close to anything
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of any of the fibers
from any of the cases.
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I was so immersed
into the fiber and the hair
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and production of exhibits
for the trial.
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It was just
an overwhelming task,
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even though the trace man
from the FBI lab and myself
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were sharing that load.
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There was work underway
even after the trial started,
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and exhibits were being
produced at the FBI
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and flown back and forth.
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[dynamic music]
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- At the trial,
the FBI lab in Washington
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came up with the charts
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to give a two- or three-day
education to the jury
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and to the judge
on how fiber is made.
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- It was a very deliberate
strategy
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on the part of the prosecution
to impress the jury
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with the overall weight
of the evidence.
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[tense music]
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- It was a lot of charts,
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and we did see
the comparison,
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what they found on the rug,
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what they found
on the dog hair.
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We just kind of had to go
by what they said,
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and we didn't--we w--of course,
we not scientists.
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- They made all these
different matches
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to Wayne's carpet, bedspread,
et cetera,
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and then they drew
statistical probabilities.
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1 in 100 chances
that this child
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was in this environment,
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1 in 200 chances that
he was in this environment,
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1 in 1,000 in this environment.
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They multiplied 'em
all together,
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and the probabilities
were off the chart
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that it could be
any other environment
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other than Wayne Williams'.
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♪ ♪
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- The coincidences
were literally astronomical
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that all of these victims
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could have ended up
with fibers
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identical to those found in
Wayne Williams' house and car
291
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without them being
in his presence.
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♪ ♪
293
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- "Unique" doesn't make sense.
294
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Homer Williams buys carpet.
He puts it on the floor.
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If it's only one place,
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it's only in
Homer Williams' house,
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but that's not the case.
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Other people bought
that carpet.
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- There's no direct evidence
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that Wayne Williams
committed the murders.
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The fiber
and the hair evidence
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does not put Wayne Williams'
hand or a ligature
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killing these victims.
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It's a connection
to the environment.
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Whether Wayne Williams
killed these victims or not
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are beyond the scope of what
the evidence directly shows.
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[dramatic music]
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But the evidence supports
the fact
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that they were clearly
in his environment--
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collectively home, car,
person--
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shortly before
they were killed.
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So someone has to be wrong.
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♪ ♪
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- I could see
where this was going.
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Basically, they overwhelmed us.
316
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- It was a beautiful
orchestrated dog and pony show
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that they put on.
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The prosecution
started presenting
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eyewitness testimony.
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They said that, one,
Wayne was homosexual;
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two, that he was bisexual;
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three, he was a virgin.
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- One witness came forward
to say that
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Wayne Williams picked him up,
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very friendly,
and then he starts asking him
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about whether he has sex
with women
327
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and--and then reaches over
and starts grabbing his penis.
328
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- "I can't forget his face,"
the boy claimed.
329
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"It's that man over there,
Wayne Williams."
330
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- This case had a lot of
witnesses who said they saw
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victims with Wayne Williams,
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many of them
shortly before their death.
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♪ ♪
334
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Robert I. Henry
was a witness who saw
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Wayne Williams holding hands
with Nathaniel Cater
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the night before he died.
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He said, "I saw a guy,
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"and he was holding hands
with him
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near the Rialto Theater
in downtown Atlanta."
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And then he pointed
directly at Wayne Williams.
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- Come on,
we said we wouldn't--
342
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- Don't stand
in front of the car.
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Give him room.
344
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- And so many other witnesses
who claimed
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that they saw Wayne
with victims.
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♪ ♪
347
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[indistinct chatter]
348
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- Lady in the brown coat...
349
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- Ruth Warren happened to be
at the shopping center
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and saw Lubie Geter talking
with Wayne Williams
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about whether or not
he could go with him.
352
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♪ ♪
353
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- I ain't gonna say
he murdered all of 'em,
354
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but he was in it.
355
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♪ ♪
356
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He acted like he was gonna
put 'em in movies
357
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and make pictures of 'em.
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And you know what he was.
359
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And I ain't gonna say it,
but you already know.
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He was a homosexual.
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♪ ♪
362
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- Wayne Williams
was a total fraud.
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He had no contracts
with recording studios.
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He didn't sell anything.
He never made any money.
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He was using it as a cover.
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He might have been trying
to make money, but he failed.
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His failure was directed
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at young black men
that he resented.
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I believe he was
a homosexual
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who hated young
African American men.
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Witnesses testified to that.
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♪ ♪
373
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- He's a narcissist.
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He's a predator
motivated by whatever demons
375
00:17:25,625 --> 00:17:28,333
are inside his head
to make him want to do this.
376
00:17:28,417 --> 00:17:30,250
He felt some kind of anger
towards these kids
377
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because of some kind of rage
he had inside against hisself.
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[tense music]
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- Bobby Lee Toland was
one of the crucial witnesses,
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if not the most crucial
witness
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for explaining why.
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00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:49,542
♪ ♪
383
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- He was an ambulance driver
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who testified that Wayne
was a racist.
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He had heard Wayne
talking about
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how poor kids
should all be killed.
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00:18:02,291 --> 00:18:05,250
- Bobby Toland said Williams
asked him once,
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had he ever considered
389
00:18:06,375 --> 00:18:08,250
how many blacks
could be eliminated
390
00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,542
"by killing one nigger child"?
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00:18:10,625 --> 00:18:14,291
♪ ♪
392
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- Toland then testified
Williams even had numbers
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on a piece of paper
answering his own question.
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♪ ♪
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And then the final witness,
who said she was a friend
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of Wayne Williams,
took the stand.
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00:18:27,041 --> 00:18:29,083
♪ ♪
398
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- Sharon Blakely
was our last witness.
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We knew she would
be an incredible witness.
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00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,250
She knew a lot about Wayne.
401
00:18:35,333 --> 00:18:36,542
She worked with Wayne.
402
00:18:36,625 --> 00:18:38,083
She liked Wayne.
403
00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:39,959
She was trying
to protect Wayne.
404
00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:43,750
She could say things
that had happened
405
00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:46,875
that were very damning
of Wayne Williams.
406
00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,125
- In a final dramatic episode,
407
00:18:49,208 --> 00:18:50,792
Ms. Blakely
told the jury this:
408
00:18:50,875 --> 00:18:53,959
"I said to him, 'The game's
gotta end someday.
409
00:18:54,041 --> 00:18:56,125
"'If they get enough
evidence on you, Wayne,
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00:18:56,208 --> 00:18:58,750
will you confess
before you get hurt?'"
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00:18:58,834 --> 00:19:01,417
Williams allegedly replied,
"Yes."
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00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,667
[tense music]
413
00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:06,667
- You could tell she was
very troubled in testifying.
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00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:08,333
She did not want to be there.
415
00:19:08,417 --> 00:19:11,792
She did not want to say
what she knew,
416
00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:14,583
that Wayne was complaining
about these street kids.
417
00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:16,667
♪ ♪
418
00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:18,291
And she said, "Wayne,
you need to be careful.
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00:19:18,375 --> 00:19:20,583
You know, some of those kids
might hurt you."
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00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:22,834
And he said, "No,
they're not gonna hurt me.
421
00:19:22,917 --> 00:19:25,625
"I know a way to squeeze
their neck,
422
00:19:25,709 --> 00:19:26,834
and they won't hurt me then."
423
00:19:26,917 --> 00:19:29,208
You know, and it was like,
"Oh, my golly."
424
00:19:29,291 --> 00:19:30,875
So we wanted to get that in.
425
00:19:30,959 --> 00:19:32,875
And she kept
looking over at Wayne
426
00:19:32,959 --> 00:19:36,166
like she was apologetic
about it, almost.
427
00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:41,125
Wayne was so confident that
she was going to cover for him
428
00:19:41,208 --> 00:19:42,834
that he had Al Binder
ask a question
429
00:19:42,917 --> 00:19:45,000
that Al did not want to ask,
and that was,
430
00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:47,667
"Do you think Wayne Williams
killed anybody?"
431
00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:51,208
And Sharon Blakely
took the longest time.
432
00:19:51,291 --> 00:19:53,709
It was an extremely
dramatic moment.
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00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:56,000
♪ ♪
434
00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,625
She stared at Wayne.
435
00:19:57,709 --> 00:20:01,333
She began crying,
tears coming down her face.
436
00:20:01,417 --> 00:20:04,250
Now the jurors are all
just leaning forward,
437
00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:05,709
and we are leaning forward.
438
00:20:05,792 --> 00:20:06,959
"What's she gonna say?"
439
00:20:07,041 --> 00:20:10,875
She said, "Yeah, he did.
I'm sorry."
440
00:20:10,959 --> 00:20:12,834
And it was just like...
441
00:20:12,917 --> 00:20:15,250
you could hear the air being
let out in that courtroom.
442
00:20:15,333 --> 00:20:18,333
You know, it was just an
incredible--incredible event.
443
00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:21,917
Um, and that was
our last witness in the case,
444
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,667
and we rested after that.
445
00:20:25,875 --> 00:20:28,083
- After 5 weeks
and more than 100 witnesses,
446
00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:29,750
the prosecution today
rested its case
447
00:20:29,834 --> 00:20:31,709
in the Wayne Williams
murder trial.
448
00:20:31,792 --> 00:20:33,041
Bob Sirkin reports.
449
00:20:33,125 --> 00:20:35,208
- As of now,
the defense plans to call
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00:20:35,291 --> 00:20:38,208
some 70 witnesses,
and ABC News has learned
451
00:20:38,291 --> 00:20:41,333
one of them will be
Wayne Williams.
452
00:20:41,417 --> 00:20:43,083
- He wanted to tell his story.
453
00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:45,417
He would be in the spotlight.
454
00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:49,000
This would be his moment
for stardom.
455
00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:54,041
We decided it would be best
for him to be heard saying,
456
00:20:54,125 --> 00:20:55,750
"I didn't kill any children."
457
00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:57,750
- The FBI said
that in the short run,
458
00:20:57,834 --> 00:20:59,583
he will look wonderful,
459
00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:01,709
and that's what happened.
460
00:21:01,792 --> 00:21:03,583
- At one time
during questioning,
461
00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:05,333
when Binder told him
to speak up
462
00:21:05,417 --> 00:21:06,417
so the jury could hear him,
463
00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,500
the 23-year-old said,
"I'm scared."
464
00:21:09,792 --> 00:21:12,250
"Have you ever known Cater
or Payne?" Binder said.
465
00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:13,458
"I don't know them.
466
00:21:13,542 --> 00:21:15,291
I've never seen them before
in my life,"
467
00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:16,542
explained Williams.
468
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,083
- He sounded, you know,
like this all-American kid,
469
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:24,125
but the strategy was
when he gets stressed,
470
00:21:24,208 --> 00:21:25,917
he's gonna do
something different.
471
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,875
Just keep him on the stand
as long as possible.
472
00:21:29,959 --> 00:21:31,792
[dramatic music]
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00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:34,166
- Most observers said
that it was probably a draw
474
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:35,625
with no clear-cut winners.
475
00:21:35,709 --> 00:21:38,083
However, the prosecution will
have another chance tomorrow
476
00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:39,667
to score some points
with the jury,
477
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:40,959
because Wayne Williams will be
478
00:21:41,041 --> 00:21:43,291
back on the stand
in the morning.
479
00:21:43,375 --> 00:21:45,291
- And the first day
on the witness stand,
480
00:21:45,375 --> 00:21:46,250
I was nervous, of course,
481
00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:47,625
but Mary would come back
to the jail--
482
00:21:47,709 --> 00:21:48,959
Mary Welcome--
and talk to me and say,
483
00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:52,125
"Well, Wayne, uh,
you're being too cool.
484
00:21:52,208 --> 00:21:53,625
You're being too calm
on the witness stand."
485
00:21:53,709 --> 00:21:55,458
I say, "Well, Mary,
I've never done this before.
486
00:21:55,542 --> 00:21:57,625
"This is how you said be.
487
00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,750
"'Just get up and just
be yourself,' which I did."
488
00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,500
- I said, "Wayne,
you're being charged
489
00:22:03,583 --> 00:22:05,458
"with killing two persons,
490
00:22:05,542 --> 00:22:07,000
"and the implication is that
491
00:22:07,083 --> 00:22:08,834
"you've killed
all these children,
492
00:22:08,917 --> 00:22:13,125
and you're showing
no emotion whatsoever."
493
00:22:13,208 --> 00:22:16,750
Something should come out
showing that this is not right.
494
00:22:16,834 --> 00:22:18,667
He had a right to be outraged,
495
00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:22,792
because not only had they said
he killed these two adults,
496
00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,709
but the implication was that
he killed all these children.
497
00:22:25,792 --> 00:22:27,333
- We went through
all the questions
498
00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:29,709
that we knew
he could not answer
499
00:22:29,792 --> 00:22:31,333
and just had a list of 'em.
500
00:22:31,417 --> 00:22:33,834
What we did was just repeat
the questions
501
00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:36,625
that we had asked him
the day before,
502
00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:39,291
and it was the bridge
that did it.
503
00:22:39,375 --> 00:22:40,875
That messed him up
504
00:22:40,959 --> 00:22:44,041
because his whole explanation
of the bridge
505
00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:46,875
varies with every telling
of the story.
506
00:22:46,959 --> 00:22:49,166
That's when he blew up.
507
00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:51,333
- Assistant DA Jack Mallard
came at him
508
00:22:51,417 --> 00:22:52,792
with a verbal ice pick.
509
00:22:52,875 --> 00:22:54,625
"Didn't you start dumping
your victims in rivers
510
00:22:54,709 --> 00:22:57,041
because of the publicity
about fiber evidence?"
511
00:22:57,125 --> 00:22:59,375
Williams:
"I haven't killed nobody."
512
00:22:59,458 --> 00:23:01,166
The suspect continued
his tirade,
513
00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:04,875
calling several FBI agents
"goons."
514
00:23:04,959 --> 00:23:06,500
- Then he blurted out,
515
00:23:06,583 --> 00:23:09,375
"Mr. Mallard,
I am no more guilty
516
00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:12,041
of killing these children
than you are."
517
00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:13,917
- The prosecuting attorney
continued,
518
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,917
"Isn't it true that
519
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,583
"when you were choking them
to death,
520
00:23:16,667 --> 00:23:17,875
"with their last breath,
521
00:23:17,959 --> 00:23:20,166
they were scratching
your arms and face?"
522
00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:22,041
"No," said Williams.
523
00:23:22,125 --> 00:23:23,500
- At that point he said,
524
00:23:23,583 --> 00:23:25,208
"I'm not answering
any more of these questions."
525
00:23:25,291 --> 00:23:28,166
And he jumped up
from the witness stand.
526
00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:31,667
"You want the real
Wayne Williams, you got him."
527
00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,458
And the jury, you know,
is looking at that.
528
00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,041
- Boom!
529
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,125
According to the prosecution,
530
00:23:40,208 --> 00:23:44,375
this person became
a violent killer.
531
00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,083
- "And now you see
the real me."
532
00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:48,959
And that's like, you know,
"Whoa.
533
00:23:49,041 --> 00:23:51,083
Jekyll, Hyde.
Jekyll, Hyde."
534
00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:54,083
- Of course he blowed up.
535
00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:55,291
Who wouldn't?
536
00:23:55,375 --> 00:23:57,792
[suspenseful music]
537
00:23:57,875 --> 00:24:00,375
That didn't prove that
he killed the childrens.
538
00:24:00,458 --> 00:24:02,125
That we supposed to be
satisfied with what
539
00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:04,125
they just made him do?
540
00:24:04,208 --> 00:24:07,083
You know, so that wasn't
a big thing to us.
541
00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:08,083
It really wasn't.
542
00:24:08,166 --> 00:24:09,959
It didn't find the piece
to the puzzle.
543
00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:11,750
♪ ♪
544
00:24:11,834 --> 00:24:16,583
- They used that outburst
in their closing argument.
545
00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:18,583
"See, he's a violent man.
546
00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:21,375
He's prone
to these violent outrages."
547
00:24:22,709 --> 00:24:25,834
The question has been asked
of me several times.
548
00:24:25,917 --> 00:24:28,000
"Did you tell him to do that
or was that done?"
549
00:24:28,083 --> 00:24:32,083
I said, "Blame me,
because I suggested to him
550
00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,125
that he show--
show some emotion."
551
00:24:34,208 --> 00:24:36,417
And that's what he did.
552
00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:38,417
♪ ♪
553
00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:39,959
- District Attorney
Lewis Slayton
554
00:24:40,041 --> 00:24:42,125
had the last word,
calling Wayne Williams
555
00:24:42,208 --> 00:24:44,291
"cunning" and "evil,"
saying he's like
556
00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:46,083
"Attila the Hun,"
"Adolf Hitler,"
557
00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:47,417
and "Idi Amin,"
558
00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:51,166
believers in a master race
all doing away with inferiors.
559
00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:57,959
♪ ♪
560
00:24:58,041 --> 00:24:59,500
- It's now up
to the jury to decide
561
00:24:59,583 --> 00:25:01,792
who the real
Wayne Williams is,
562
00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:04,166
the psychotic killer
the prosecution claims
563
00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:06,500
or the innocent young man
the defense charges
564
00:25:06,583 --> 00:25:08,542
was brought to trial
as a scapegoat.
565
00:25:08,625 --> 00:25:10,709
Williams now has only to wait
and wonder
566
00:25:10,792 --> 00:25:14,166
whether the jury will decide
he's innocent or guilty.
567
00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:16,000
[indistinct chatter]
568
00:25:16,083 --> 00:25:18,000
- What do you think the jury
is likely to do?
569
00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:20,166
If you were to call it,
what would you say?
570
00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:22,458
- I'd say it'd be guilty.
571
00:25:22,542 --> 00:25:24,792
- I think they gonna find him
not guilty.
572
00:25:24,875 --> 00:25:26,333
- Think they're gonna find him
not guilty?
573
00:25:26,417 --> 00:25:27,417
Why?
574
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,291
- Because they don't have
the concrete evidence,
575
00:25:30,375 --> 00:25:32,166
you know, on Wayne Williams.
576
00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:34,834
- They just didn't prove it
beyond a reasonable doubt?
577
00:25:34,917 --> 00:25:36,083
- Yes.
578
00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:40,291
[solemn music]
579
00:25:40,375 --> 00:25:45,333
♪ ♪
580
00:25:45,417 --> 00:25:47,208
- I saw this pretty
little girl down here
581
00:25:47,291 --> 00:25:49,375
that I need to talk to.
582
00:25:49,458 --> 00:25:51,875
What you doing--what you
doing standing out here
583
00:25:51,959 --> 00:25:53,041
in the snow?
584
00:25:53,125 --> 00:25:54,500
[indistinct chatter]
585
00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:56,166
He--they might take him out
the back door.
586
00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:59,208
Sometimes they, um,
you know--they switch up.
587
00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:01,208
Why do you want to see Wayne
anyway?
588
00:26:01,291 --> 00:26:04,834
♪ ♪
589
00:26:04,917 --> 00:26:07,583
- Wayne Williams,
guarded by three deputies,
590
00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:09,709
settled into a borrowed office
591
00:26:09,792 --> 00:26:11,875
on one of the top floors
of the courthouse.
592
00:26:11,959 --> 00:26:15,875
He told one visitor
he felt nervous inside.
593
00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:17,875
- Whether or not District
Attorney Lewis Slayton
594
00:26:17,959 --> 00:26:19,834
was pressured into making
the arrest last June,
595
00:26:19,917 --> 00:26:21,792
the gamble paid off.
596
00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:23,208
The jury came back
with a verdict
597
00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:25,750
much sooner
than anyone expected.
598
00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:30,291
- The jury came out
after 11 hours.
599
00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:33,750
After weeks of evidence,
600
00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:35,333
there's no way
they could've considered
601
00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,333
all the evidence presented.
602
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,291
- The first vote
was not--choo-slam-bam.
603
00:26:42,375 --> 00:26:43,291
Mm-mm.
604
00:26:43,375 --> 00:26:44,625
It was more people wanting
605
00:26:44,709 --> 00:26:46,166
to see some more evidence
606
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:48,375
before they made up
their minds.
607
00:26:48,458 --> 00:26:51,375
[dramatic music]
608
00:26:51,458 --> 00:26:56,291
♪ ♪
609
00:26:56,375 --> 00:26:58,250
- Jurors were led
under tight security
610
00:26:58,333 --> 00:27:00,083
from the hotel where
they'd been sequestered
611
00:27:00,166 --> 00:27:01,083
for eight weeks.
612
00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:03,208
One man nodded when asked
if he felt
613
00:27:03,291 --> 00:27:04,542
they made the right decision.
614
00:27:04,625 --> 00:27:06,458
- Judge tell you not to talk?
615
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,208
Your own decision?
616
00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,583
- Who was--whose was it?
617
00:27:13,375 --> 00:27:17,125
- I can only go by what was
presented to me, to the jury.
618
00:27:17,208 --> 00:27:19,500
We can only go by
what they gave us.
619
00:27:19,583 --> 00:27:21,291
And to be quite honest
with you,
620
00:27:21,375 --> 00:27:24,333
I do think I was the last one
to vote against him.
621
00:27:24,417 --> 00:27:25,625
[laughs]
622
00:27:25,709 --> 00:27:27,875
- It's over.
623
00:27:28,709 --> 00:27:32,458
You know, Williams
is the Atlanta Child Killer.
624
00:27:32,542 --> 00:27:34,000
- Guilty as charged.
625
00:27:34,083 --> 00:27:36,583
Guilty of two of that city's
series of killings.
626
00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:38,792
- The sentence,
imposed immediately,
627
00:27:38,875 --> 00:27:41,291
"Two consecutive life terms."
628
00:27:41,375 --> 00:27:43,250
- Here.
Come here.
629
00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:44,250
Mr. Williams, here.
630
00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:45,625
- Mr. Williams, any thoughts?
631
00:27:45,709 --> 00:27:47,667
- Homer Williams' exit
from the courthouse tonight
632
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,500
reflected his fury at what
had been done to his son
633
00:27:50,583 --> 00:27:52,000
and to him and his wife.
634
00:27:52,083 --> 00:27:53,667
- Move back.
Move back.
635
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:56,125
[engine revs]
636
00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,500
- He's innocent.
637
00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,709
Not only do I feel
he's innocent,
638
00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:04,750
but if the prosecuting team
639
00:28:04,834 --> 00:28:08,000
had to make one last statement
before they die
640
00:28:08,083 --> 00:28:09,834
and that statement would
cause them to go
641
00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:13,250
to heaven or hell,
they would say he's innocent.
642
00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:16,041
There's no such thing
as justice
643
00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:17,834
as far as this case
is concerned.
644
00:28:17,917 --> 00:28:21,542
[indistinct chatter]
645
00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:23,250
- When we went
into that courtroom,
646
00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:27,041
we were facing
a prosecution team
647
00:28:27,125 --> 00:28:29,125
directed, supported,
and financed
648
00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:31,000
by the Federal Bureau
of Investigation.
649
00:28:34,375 --> 00:28:36,333
They spent about $2 million.
650
00:28:38,959 --> 00:28:41,709
My parents were retired
schoolteachers.
651
00:28:41,792 --> 00:28:44,166
I think we gave Mary Welcome
$5,000.
652
00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:45,917
After that, we were shot.
653
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,375
How in the world
can you tell me
654
00:28:48,458 --> 00:28:49,709
that you've got justice
655
00:28:49,792 --> 00:28:53,000
when a prosecution
has this much to work with,
656
00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:54,000
and we have this?
657
00:28:54,083 --> 00:28:55,000
There's no way.
658
00:28:55,083 --> 00:28:57,208
- The FBI was heavily involved
in this.
659
00:28:57,291 --> 00:29:00,208
Vice President Bush
came to Atlanta
660
00:29:00,291 --> 00:29:01,709
and brought some money.
661
00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:04,333
The Reagan administration
was invested
662
00:29:04,417 --> 00:29:06,041
in the outcome of the trial.
663
00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:08,583
[somber music]
664
00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:12,291
- The FBI was pulling
the strings.
665
00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:16,333
They orchestrated
the entire prosecution.
666
00:29:17,875 --> 00:29:20,542
In the story
of David and Goliath,
667
00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:25,458
David had more of an advantage
than we did.
668
00:29:25,542 --> 00:29:27,542
He at least had a slingshot.
669
00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:30,250
With the inadequate resources,
670
00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:33,041
the inadequate time, um,
671
00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:35,417
there was just no way
for Wayne Williams,
672
00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:37,083
or anyone for that matter,
673
00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,083
to defend--defend against
674
00:29:39,166 --> 00:29:42,667
12, um, crimes...
675
00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:46,917
The trial had
an unbelievable effect on me
676
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,625
that has lasted to this day.
677
00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:55,458
Wayne was not an easy person
to love...
678
00:29:55,542 --> 00:29:58,625
but I cared a great deal
for him.
679
00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:01,500
And aside from that,
I cared a great deal
680
00:30:01,583 --> 00:30:03,959
about the system,
681
00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:07,792
and I was more disappointed
with the system
682
00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:10,458
that I think failed him
683
00:30:10,542 --> 00:30:14,959
and that I was a pawn
in that system
684
00:30:15,041 --> 00:30:17,959
and felt that way
for many years.
685
00:30:18,041 --> 00:30:21,458
Just, "What could I have
done differently?"
686
00:30:21,542 --> 00:30:27,041
♪ ♪
687
00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:29,959
- When you have all this
evidence presented before you,
688
00:30:30,041 --> 00:30:32,959
and it is all leaning
689
00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:36,834
toward guilt...
690
00:30:36,917 --> 00:30:38,709
then what are you supposed
to do?
691
00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:42,834
If at any point
they could prove that
692
00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:47,166
he was innocent
or had no part in it,
693
00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:50,959
then the only thing I could do
at that point would be
694
00:30:51,041 --> 00:30:54,875
to ask God for forgiveness
for being a part of
695
00:30:54,959 --> 00:30:58,083
sending someone somewhere
if he wasn't, um--
696
00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,125
if he wasn't guilty.
697
00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:03,166
That's all I can do
for my peace of mind.
698
00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:05,709
- He dropped a body
off a bridge.
699
00:31:05,792 --> 00:31:08,875
We had a police recruit there
that heard it.
700
00:31:08,959 --> 00:31:10,375
He got arrested.
He got convicted.
701
00:31:10,458 --> 00:31:12,208
He's gonna die in prison.
702
00:31:12,291 --> 00:31:14,083
That's a success story.
703
00:31:18,959 --> 00:31:20,917
[indistinct chatter]
704
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,500
- Reporters and photographers
and officials
705
00:31:23,583 --> 00:31:25,875
who hadn't been here
since Williams was arrested
706
00:31:25,959 --> 00:31:28,041
came together one last time.
707
00:31:28,125 --> 00:31:31,125
- With the conviction
of Wayne Williams,
708
00:31:31,208 --> 00:31:32,709
we have reviewed all
of the evidence
709
00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:35,041
that's present today,
and as a result,
710
00:31:35,125 --> 00:31:37,542
we've cleared 23 cases.
711
00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:40,166
Effective one week from today,
712
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,834
we will officially close down
the task force operations.
713
00:31:43,917 --> 00:31:45,041
The decision that was
made today
714
00:31:45,125 --> 00:31:46,166
is based on the evidence.
715
00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:48,709
The evidence allowed us to do
what we've done.
716
00:31:48,792 --> 00:31:52,667
- Almost overnight
the 23 cases are boxed up,
717
00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:55,875
closed out with these kids,
and it's like Wayne did them.
718
00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:59,291
And to me,
that is shockingly negligent.
719
00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:03,625
I think the pressures were
so extreme
720
00:32:03,709 --> 00:32:07,625
that once Atlanta was
provided an out,
721
00:32:07,709 --> 00:32:09,041
they took it.
722
00:32:09,125 --> 00:32:11,083
- Will Williams be charged
with any of
723
00:32:11,166 --> 00:32:13,667
the additional murders
with which he has been linked?
724
00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:15,583
District Attorney
Lewis Slayton.
725
00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:18,750
- We don't have any
present plans of bringing any
726
00:32:18,834 --> 00:32:21,083
further indictments
in Fulton County.
727
00:32:21,166 --> 00:32:23,375
- Commissioner Brown denied
that any murders
728
00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:26,375
attributed to Williams
are being swept under the rug.
729
00:32:26,458 --> 00:32:29,291
He said the attribution
is based on evidence.
730
00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:34,041
- After they locked up
Wayne Williams,
731
00:32:34,125 --> 00:32:36,250
city officials
didn't want to have nothing
732
00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:38,375
to say to us anymore.
733
00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,250
The case is closed,
and that's it.
734
00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:41,667
And there it is.
735
00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:43,125
They didn't want
to hear anything
736
00:32:43,208 --> 00:32:44,792
the parents had to say.
737
00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:46,792
- The mother of victim
Yusuf Bell
738
00:32:46,875 --> 00:32:48,917
was very disappointed
with the outcome.
739
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,291
- Some people might say
this is just sour grapes
740
00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:54,625
because they never have solved
your son's death.
741
00:32:54,709 --> 00:32:58,458
- Um, if I believe that
Wayne Williams killed
742
00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:01,125
the other 12 that they claim--
743
00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:03,792
the same fibers that were found
on those bodies
744
00:33:03,875 --> 00:33:06,291
were also found on
Yusuf's body--then I must
745
00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:08,500
believe that Wayne Williams
killed my son.
746
00:33:08,583 --> 00:33:12,834
But since I don't believe that
Wayne Williams killed anybody,
747
00:33:12,917 --> 00:33:15,125
I can't believe that
Wayne Williams
748
00:33:15,208 --> 00:33:16,625
therefore killed my son.
749
00:33:16,709 --> 00:33:21,166
What it all boils down to is
now we have Wayne Williams, 23,
750
00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:23,667
the 30th victim
of the Atlanta slaying.
751
00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:26,709
[dramatic music]
752
00:33:26,792 --> 00:33:33,792
♪ ♪
753
00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:47,208
- The disappointment
when Wayne Williams was tried
754
00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:49,667
for the murder of
these two men was deep
755
00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:50,792
in the black community.
756
00:33:50,875 --> 00:33:54,208
Very deep,
because there's still no answer
757
00:33:54,291 --> 00:33:58,125
to who killed--who kidnapped
and killed these children.
758
00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:02,166
And...the public officials
759
00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:03,500
were saying, "It's done.
760
00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:05,000
We have him.
It's over."
761
00:34:05,083 --> 00:34:07,333
- The disbanding of
the special task force is
762
00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:08,542
the clearest indication that
763
00:34:08,625 --> 00:34:10,542
as far as law enforcement
is concerned,
764
00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:12,750
the Atlanta tragedy is over.
765
00:34:12,834 --> 00:34:15,250
Former Atlanta Mayor
Maynard Jackson said
766
00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:17,208
his city was stronger now.
767
00:34:17,291 --> 00:34:20,542
- We trust now that matter
is behind us.
768
00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:27,542
♪ ♪
769
00:34:27,625 --> 00:34:30,834
- They wanted the world
to feel like it was over with.
770
00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:33,667
You want to feel safe like,
771
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,542
"Okay, they got the man
who did all these killings,
772
00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:38,959
and now the world is all right
now."
773
00:34:39,041 --> 00:34:40,250
You know,
you want to feel like that,
774
00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:42,000
but, you know,
that's just impossible.
775
00:34:42,083 --> 00:34:46,417
♪ ♪
776
00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,500
[traffic rumbling]
777
00:35:00,291 --> 00:35:02,041
- After he got sentenced,
778
00:35:02,125 --> 00:35:04,250
Wayne called me,
779
00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,041
and I went to the jail.
780
00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:07,917
And we talked about the trial,
781
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,917
and--and I knew it was gonna
involve a lot,
782
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,583
you know, of my time,
my effort,
783
00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:19,000
but I think this has been
a part of my calling.
784
00:35:20,208 --> 00:35:21,792
Looking back on it,
785
00:35:21,875 --> 00:35:24,333
I wonder how
I'm still standing.
786
00:35:24,417 --> 00:35:27,291
[melancholy music]
787
00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:28,583
♪ ♪
788
00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:30,000
This is my war room.
789
00:35:30,083 --> 00:35:34,458
♪ ♪
790
00:35:34,542 --> 00:35:39,417
I had to designate a room
for Wayne Williams' appeal.
791
00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:43,750
This here is all stuff
about Wayne.
792
00:35:44,792 --> 00:35:47,333
We got the trial transcripts.
793
00:35:47,417 --> 00:35:50,125
♪ ♪
794
00:35:50,208 --> 00:35:51,709
That's some of it there too.
795
00:35:53,041 --> 00:35:57,500
And all that over there
and then all of this over here.
796
00:35:57,583 --> 00:36:00,250
♪ ♪
797
00:36:00,333 --> 00:36:04,250
It took us a year to get
the appeal ready.
798
00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:06,917
♪ ♪
799
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,959
In '83, we took it
to the Georgia Supreme Court.
800
00:36:11,041 --> 00:36:14,458
It was the longest brief
ever filed
801
00:36:14,542 --> 00:36:15,959
in appeals court.
802
00:36:16,041 --> 00:36:17,625
[dramatic music]
803
00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:21,625
We took up 33 points of error
in the trial.
804
00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:25,417
The big part of that
was the witnesses.
805
00:36:26,458 --> 00:36:29,166
- The prosecution tried
to go out and find
806
00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:31,500
any of these witnesses
they could to say,
807
00:36:31,583 --> 00:36:33,834
"Well, we need you to say this
about Wayne Williams,"
808
00:36:33,917 --> 00:36:35,333
or "You need to say that."
809
00:36:35,417 --> 00:36:37,333
♪ ♪
810
00:36:37,417 --> 00:36:39,291
- During the trial,
the prosecutors came up
811
00:36:39,375 --> 00:36:41,542
with some
pretty damning witnesses.
812
00:36:41,625 --> 00:36:44,709
But later on,
information came out,
813
00:36:44,792 --> 00:36:47,875
and you realize
almost every key witness
814
00:36:47,959 --> 00:36:50,625
against Wayne Williams
either committed perjury
815
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,083
or gave misleading testimony.
816
00:36:53,166 --> 00:36:55,834
- Davis and Ruth Warren
had both earlier
817
00:36:55,917 --> 00:36:58,375
given police descriptions
notably differing
818
00:36:58,458 --> 00:37:00,875
from their trial testimony.
819
00:37:00,959 --> 00:37:04,500
- Ruth Warren testified
on the Lubie Geter case,
820
00:37:04,583 --> 00:37:07,875
but the person
that she identified to police
821
00:37:07,959 --> 00:37:12,417
had a scar "like lightning"--
that's how she described it--
822
00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:14,250
down his face.
823
00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,750
- Wayne did not have this
824
00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:17,875
lightning-type scar
on his face.
825
00:37:17,959 --> 00:37:20,000
- In a brief conversation
on her front porch,
826
00:37:20,083 --> 00:37:21,917
she made
the puzzling statement,
827
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,583
"I'd never seen Wayne Williams
before in my life
828
00:37:24,667 --> 00:37:26,875
until I saw him
in that courtroom."
829
00:37:26,959 --> 00:37:29,750
- Another witness,
Robert Henry,
830
00:37:29,834 --> 00:37:31,917
who testified that
he saw Wayne holding
831
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,583
Nathaniel Cater's hand,
later recanted.
832
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:36,917
- Henry now declares
that he insisted
833
00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,917
to interrogating officers,
quote,
834
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,583
"If my life depended on it,
835
00:37:40,667 --> 00:37:42,917
"I could not say the man
I saw with Cater
836
00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,750
was Wayne Williams."
837
00:37:44,834 --> 00:37:48,041
But says Henry, quote,
"I was told I had to testify
838
00:37:48,125 --> 00:37:51,166
I was positive in naming
the person as Williams."
839
00:37:52,208 --> 00:37:54,208
- Bobby Toland,
an ambulance driver,
840
00:37:54,291 --> 00:37:56,250
told the jury that Williams
didn't like poor people.
841
00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:58,083
Toland gave the jury a motive.
842
00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:00,583
- It was discovered
that Bobby Toland,
843
00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:02,542
who testified to the motive...
844
00:38:02,625 --> 00:38:06,542
- Williams despised, quote,
"lower class blacks."
845
00:38:06,625 --> 00:38:11,083
- Had said earlier that
he hated that Williams kid,
846
00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:14,458
that Bobby Toland
wanted the reward money.
847
00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,959
- This guy testified,
it turns out,
848
00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,375
under a fake name.
849
00:38:18,458 --> 00:38:20,166
His real name was Williams.
850
00:38:21,625 --> 00:38:25,583
- This was an utterly
unreliable witness.
851
00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:29,125
Bias, motive to lie,
prior conduct
852
00:38:29,208 --> 00:38:31,291
that put his own interests
above those of society,
853
00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:32,458
hatred of the defendant.
854
00:38:32,542 --> 00:38:33,458
I mean, everything!
855
00:38:33,542 --> 00:38:35,625
He was sort of a classic
ball of impeachment
856
00:38:35,709 --> 00:38:37,250
all wrapped into one,
857
00:38:37,333 --> 00:38:40,417
but none of that information
was provided to the defense.
858
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,125
- And the kicker is that
Bobby Toland
859
00:38:43,208 --> 00:38:44,375
was a member of the Klan.
860
00:38:44,458 --> 00:38:46,750
- He said that
he was a member of Klan,
861
00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:49,125
but Bobby said a lot of things.
862
00:38:49,208 --> 00:38:50,625
I do know for a fact
863
00:38:50,709 --> 00:38:54,917
that Wayne Williams did not
make that statement.
864
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,959
[suspenseful music]
865
00:38:58,041 --> 00:39:00,041
♪ ♪
866
00:39:00,125 --> 00:39:01,333
I know for a fact
867
00:39:01,417 --> 00:39:04,291
that Bobby Toland
did make that statement.
868
00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:07,542
- So this critical testimony
that was given at the trial
869
00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:09,792
was in fact a lie?
870
00:39:11,291 --> 00:39:12,291
- Yes.
871
00:39:13,458 --> 00:39:14,917
No doubt about it.
872
00:39:15,417 --> 00:39:18,333
- They lied to make
this story make sense.
873
00:39:18,417 --> 00:39:20,333
You know, they say the thing
about a lie is that
874
00:39:20,417 --> 00:39:21,542
once you tell one lie,
875
00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:23,291
you have to tell another one
to cover that one
876
00:39:23,375 --> 00:39:24,625
and another one
to cover that one.
877
00:39:25,917 --> 00:39:27,875
For example, the dog hairs.
878
00:39:27,959 --> 00:39:31,542
If you look at the FBI files
before Wayne Williams' arrest,
879
00:39:31,625 --> 00:39:34,834
they all say these dog hairs
we're finding on these victims
880
00:39:34,917 --> 00:39:37,166
are white with a tip.
881
00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,875
They said the hairs
are from an Alaskan Malamute
882
00:39:40,959 --> 00:39:43,291
or a Siberian Husky,
883
00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:45,041
to the exclusion
of all other dogs.
884
00:39:45,125 --> 00:39:46,875
[foreboding music]
885
00:39:46,959 --> 00:39:48,375
Now, Wayne
had a German Shepherd
886
00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:51,375
that was brown,
very little white hair.
887
00:39:51,458 --> 00:39:54,500
Once Wayne becomes a suspect,
888
00:39:54,583 --> 00:39:56,417
all of a sudden they're saying,
"Well, we're finding
889
00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:58,709
German Shepherd hairs
on these victims."
890
00:39:58,792 --> 00:40:00,709
♪ ♪
891
00:40:00,792 --> 00:40:02,542
And they start putting
in their files
892
00:40:02,625 --> 00:40:05,125
that these hairs
are now white or brown.
893
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,041
That really stuck out.
894
00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:09,917
- The trial of Wayne Williams
895
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,542
marked one of the first times
that tiny fibers
896
00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,834
were the key evidence
in a major murder case.
897
00:40:14,917 --> 00:40:16,875
- Lawyers for convicted
murderer Wayne Williams
898
00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:19,834
charged the prosecution used
unreliable fiber evidence
899
00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:23,542
and unfairly characterized
Williams as a mass murderer.
900
00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:27,750
- The state focused on
this green,
901
00:40:27,834 --> 00:40:30,208
trilobal carpet fiber
902
00:40:30,291 --> 00:40:32,750
made by the Wellman company
903
00:40:32,834 --> 00:40:36,458
and tried to say that
that fiber was very unique.
904
00:40:36,542 --> 00:40:39,458
[dramatic music]
905
00:40:39,542 --> 00:40:41,750
♪ ♪
906
00:40:41,834 --> 00:40:45,583
- They blow up these enormous
pictures of the carpet fibers,
907
00:40:45,667 --> 00:40:47,542
blown up, like,
a hundred times or whatever.
908
00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:50,417
♪ ♪
909
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,917
You know, the jury's looking
at all this.
910
00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,834
"Wow, they must really know
their stuff."
911
00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:56,417
The prosecution claimed that
912
00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,083
the fiber in Wayne's carpet
was rare.
913
00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:01,458
But in fact,
they were only able to get
914
00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:03,333
partial sales records
for the fiber
915
00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:06,542
that went into that carpet
and the carpet itself.
916
00:41:07,542 --> 00:41:11,083
In other words, they had
no way to account at all.
917
00:41:11,166 --> 00:41:14,667
So what the FBI did was
just basically, you know,
918
00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:19,000
"Well, we can assume this much
carpet was made."
919
00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:21,417
But you can't assume that
if you don't have the records.
920
00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:22,959
It was all fake math,
921
00:41:23,041 --> 00:41:24,291
mathematical possibilities
922
00:41:24,375 --> 00:41:27,458
that could not possibly
be justified.
923
00:41:27,542 --> 00:41:30,333
And they presented it
to the jury as hard fact.
924
00:41:33,375 --> 00:41:37,500
- One problem was the word
"consistent with."
925
00:41:37,583 --> 00:41:40,500
For example,
if a murder was committed,
926
00:41:40,583 --> 00:41:42,834
and the killer was described
927
00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:46,917
as an older white male
with gray hair,
928
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,417
that description is consistent
with me.
929
00:41:52,583 --> 00:41:56,000
But what you need to know is,
how many
930
00:41:56,083 --> 00:41:59,709
old, white, gray-haired guys
are there?
931
00:41:59,792 --> 00:42:04,000
And if there's just one, me,
that's pretty powerful.
932
00:42:04,083 --> 00:42:05,959
On the other hand,
if there are,
933
00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:08,667
for example, millions...
934
00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:11,542
all that means
is I can't be excluded.
935
00:42:11,625 --> 00:42:13,917
I could be one of the millions
of people
936
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,792
who could have
committed this crime.
937
00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:19,875
And so it was with almost
all of the fiber evidence.
938
00:42:19,959 --> 00:42:22,125
Without some sort of database
939
00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:24,500
that showed their distribution
940
00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:28,375
and their likelihood
of proximity to each other
941
00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:30,542
and their overall commonality,
942
00:42:30,625 --> 00:42:32,333
it was just junk science.
943
00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:34,709
[tense music]
944
00:42:34,792 --> 00:42:38,542
- Basically,
the experts overstated...
945
00:42:38,625 --> 00:42:41,500
overstated their opinions.
946
00:42:41,583 --> 00:42:48,583
♪ ♪
947
00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:52,041
- Some people are just gonna
have doubts
948
00:42:52,125 --> 00:42:54,667
no matter--no matter what
the evidence indicates.
949
00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:57,250
We look at a lot of fibers.
950
00:42:57,333 --> 00:42:59,083
For the rest of my career,
951
00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:03,291
I never saw a Wellman
181B fiber of any color.
952
00:43:04,291 --> 00:43:06,542
And no other forensic
scientist I'm aware of
953
00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:10,583
in any other case ever saw
a Wellman 181B fiber.
954
00:43:10,667 --> 00:43:17,667
♪ ♪
955
00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:28,959
- The Supreme Court
only gets six months
956
00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:31,000
to decide these cases.
957
00:43:32,667 --> 00:43:35,375
And it was getting long,
you know.
958
00:43:35,458 --> 00:43:38,709
The six months
was coming up on us fast,
959
00:43:38,792 --> 00:43:40,625
and they hadn't ruled
960
00:43:40,709 --> 00:43:44,458
and ended up ruling
on the last day.
961
00:43:45,875 --> 00:43:48,625
- The court affirmed
Wayne Williams' conviction.
962
00:43:48,709 --> 00:43:51,792
♪ ♪
963
00:43:51,875 --> 00:43:55,166
And Georgia's Supreme Court
Justice George Smith
964
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:59,709
wrote an extremely powerful
and detailed dissent.
965
00:44:01,542 --> 00:44:05,166
- I did not think he received
a fair and impartial trial.
966
00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,583
I felt like legally
there was more wrong with it
967
00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:10,417
than there was right.
968
00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,625
But when you're one
out of seven
969
00:44:12,709 --> 00:44:14,959
and the other six
go the other way...
970
00:44:15,041 --> 00:44:17,208
30 pages doesn't have much
to do with it.
971
00:44:20,166 --> 00:44:24,625
- About two weeks after
the appeal was denied,
972
00:44:24,709 --> 00:44:27,500
I heard from George T. Smith.
973
00:44:27,583 --> 00:44:30,500
A Supreme Court justice
is calling me?
974
00:44:30,583 --> 00:44:31,792
That doesn't happen.
975
00:44:33,125 --> 00:44:36,458
He said, at first,
the Georgia Supreme Court
976
00:44:36,542 --> 00:44:40,542
decided to reverse,
to overturn this case
977
00:44:40,625 --> 00:44:42,083
for a new trial,
978
00:44:42,166 --> 00:44:45,041
but then there was
a phone call,
979
00:44:45,125 --> 00:44:47,625
and the other justices
turned.
980
00:44:49,417 --> 00:44:53,500
And they upheld the conviction
because of that phone call.
981
00:44:53,583 --> 00:44:55,333
[dramatic music]
982
00:44:55,417 --> 00:44:59,959
If I had to hypothetically say
who made that call,
983
00:45:00,041 --> 00:45:02,667
it was either the governor
984
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:06,333
or the president...
985
00:45:06,417 --> 00:45:09,041
or Bush,
who was vice president.
986
00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:11,125
♪ ♪
987
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:15,500
I'm convinced
there was somebody interfering
988
00:45:15,583 --> 00:45:17,792
in the decision-making process
989
00:45:17,875 --> 00:45:20,166
by the Georgia Supreme Court.
990
00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:22,875
♪ ♪
991
00:45:22,959 --> 00:45:27,083
And Smith felt compelled
to say something, you know.
992
00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,709
- I would have given him
a new trial then.
993
00:45:29,792 --> 00:45:30,959
I'd give him a new trial now.
994
00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:34,583
I did what I thought was right.
995
00:45:34,667 --> 00:45:37,041
I did what I thought
should have been done,
996
00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:38,375
and that was it.
997
00:45:38,458 --> 00:45:41,917
But I was not applauded
for my stand.
998
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000
I'll tell you that.
999
00:45:44,291 --> 00:45:47,208
[melancholy music]
1000
00:45:47,291 --> 00:45:52,166
♪ ♪
1001
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:54,625
- After all that...
1002
00:45:54,709 --> 00:45:57,083
[sighs]
1003
00:45:57,166 --> 00:45:59,583
Well...
1004
00:45:59,667 --> 00:46:02,208
I didn't feel good
about the legal system,
1005
00:46:02,291 --> 00:46:06,709
but I just kept
chugging along.
1006
00:46:06,792 --> 00:46:10,542
The turning point
of the case was when
1007
00:46:10,625 --> 00:46:13,917
we learned there was
overwhelming evidence
1008
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,625
not being shared
with the defense team.
1009
00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:23,083
♪ ♪
1010
00:46:23,166 --> 00:46:25,417
- Which way?
- Over there, sir.
1011
00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:27,917
[indistinct speech over PA]
1012
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,250
- Pleasure.
You sit over here.
1013
00:46:30,333 --> 00:46:33,417
[indistinct chatter]
1014
00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:37,458
- I'm convinced
if the jurors had known
1015
00:46:37,542 --> 00:46:39,333
what we discovered,
1016
00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:41,959
they never could have
found him guilty.
1017
00:46:42,041 --> 00:46:46,125
When 28 young adults
have been murdered,
1018
00:46:46,208 --> 00:46:48,458
and those cases
have been closed,
1019
00:46:48,542 --> 00:46:49,792
it's incredible.
1020
00:46:49,875 --> 00:46:51,834
We are not gonna get
to the root of murder
1021
00:46:51,917 --> 00:46:54,125
and why people are murdering
1022
00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:57,667
if we're gonna close
murder files.
1023
00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,458
It's unheard of.
1024
00:47:00,542 --> 00:47:02,625
The public needs to know
certain information.
1025
00:47:02,709 --> 00:47:05,125
- Could you elaborate
on the eyewitness?
1026
00:47:05,208 --> 00:47:07,083
You said in your statement
you had an eyewitness
1027
00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:08,250
to one of the murders.
1028
00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:10,875
- S--um, sure, we can.
1029
00:47:10,959 --> 00:47:13,667
Okay, Clifford Jones
was found in a washerette.
1030
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:16,166
They're talking about--
and a witness states that
1031
00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:18,875
he observed "X" person
kill a little boy
1032
00:47:18,959 --> 00:47:20,291
with a rope around his neck.
1033
00:47:20,375 --> 00:47:22,333
In the Clifford Jones case,
this is information
1034
00:47:22,417 --> 00:47:23,834
that will be made available
to you.
1035
00:47:23,917 --> 00:47:26,166
- That file was released
to Channel 2 News
1036
00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:27,458
under a court order today.
1037
00:47:27,542 --> 00:47:29,208
Bob Sirkin reports
on the contents
1038
00:47:29,291 --> 00:47:30,500
of the Clifford Jones file.
1039
00:47:30,583 --> 00:47:33,208
- The three-inch,
400-page investigative file
1040
00:47:33,291 --> 00:47:36,333
contains evidence
and statements by witnesses
1041
00:47:36,417 --> 00:47:38,417
given to police and the FBI
1042
00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,291
about the murder
of Clifford Jones,
1043
00:47:40,375 --> 00:47:43,792
reportedly inside this
northwest Atlanta laundromat
1044
00:47:43,875 --> 00:47:46,041
on August 20, 1980.
1045
00:47:46,125 --> 00:47:48,959
Eyewitnesses told police
of seeing a suspect carrying...
1046
00:47:49,041 --> 00:47:52,208
Around 1986, I was reporting
1047
00:47:52,291 --> 00:47:54,959
about the Clifford Jones case
1048
00:47:55,041 --> 00:47:58,208
in which there was new
exculpatory evidence
1049
00:47:58,291 --> 00:47:59,542
in Wayne Williams' favor.
1050
00:47:59,625 --> 00:48:03,083
The lead detective,
Sidney Dorsey,
1051
00:48:03,166 --> 00:48:07,542
came to me and said that
Clifford Jones was murdered
1052
00:48:07,625 --> 00:48:10,542
by another suspect
other than Wayne Williams.
1053
00:48:10,625 --> 00:48:12,208
♪ ♪
1054
00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:14,917
- I heard that
the Clifford Jones case
1055
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,875
had been closed
along with the other cases,
1056
00:48:17,959 --> 00:48:20,041
and that's when I said,
"Wait a minute.
1057
00:48:20,125 --> 00:48:22,208
"I don't think that's right,
1058
00:48:22,291 --> 00:48:26,083
"because here's a guy
that I have every reason
1059
00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:29,583
to believe was responsible
for this kid's death."
1060
00:48:29,667 --> 00:48:31,458
- James Edward Brooks,
1061
00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:34,875
a 36-year-old
homosexual convicted felon,
1062
00:48:34,959 --> 00:48:36,667
was identified by witnesses
1063
00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:39,625
as killing or disposing of
Clifford Jones.
1064
00:48:39,709 --> 00:48:42,458
Jamie Brooks
was a known sex offender.
1065
00:48:42,542 --> 00:48:46,834
He actually admitted to having
sex with young boys,
1066
00:48:46,917 --> 00:48:50,250
and he had
a criminal background.
1067
00:48:50,333 --> 00:48:52,959
One eyewitness told police
of seeing a man
1068
00:48:53,041 --> 00:48:56,709
sexually attack Clifford Jones
inside this laundromat.
1069
00:48:56,792 --> 00:48:59,083
Fred Cosby,
then a 19-year-old
1070
00:48:59,166 --> 00:49:00,417
high school student,
1071
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:03,750
claimed to have witnessed
the murder of Clifford Jones.
1072
00:49:03,834 --> 00:49:07,542
- We had eyewitness testimony
from an individual
1073
00:49:07,625 --> 00:49:10,750
who gave graphic details
1074
00:49:10,834 --> 00:49:13,125
of what took place
in the laundromat.
1075
00:49:13,208 --> 00:49:16,959
[sinister music]
1076
00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:20,083
- Jamie Brooks
and Calvin Smith
1077
00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:21,375
sexually assaulted him.
1078
00:49:21,458 --> 00:49:28,250
♪ ♪
1079
00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:29,792
Cosby's statement, quote,
1080
00:49:29,875 --> 00:49:32,667
"When the little boy
started crying real loud,
1081
00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:35,500
"Jamie put a rope
around the little boy's neck
1082
00:49:35,583 --> 00:49:37,083
and pulled on the rope."
1083
00:49:37,166 --> 00:49:39,083
♪ ♪
1084
00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:42,208
- He had bruises
all up and down his neck.
1085
00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:45,959
You can see where it
choked him so bad.
1086
00:49:46,041 --> 00:49:50,208
It just like the rope was just
rubbing up and down his neck.
1087
00:49:51,834 --> 00:49:54,458
- The witness sounded
extremely credible
1088
00:49:54,542 --> 00:49:57,458
'cause he was giving details of
a murder that he had witnessed.
1089
00:49:57,542 --> 00:49:59,125
And of course, it seemed
all we needed
1090
00:49:59,208 --> 00:50:00,625
is a search warrant
1091
00:50:00,709 --> 00:50:01,917
and find the evidence.
1092
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,333
[ominous music]
1093
00:50:03,417 --> 00:50:06,041
And there was nothing there.
1094
00:50:06,125 --> 00:50:09,500
It ended up Jamie looked
like a good suspect,
1095
00:50:09,583 --> 00:50:12,417
but there was no evidence
Jamie had done it,
1096
00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,333
and the person
that was an eyewitness
1097
00:50:14,417 --> 00:50:15,834
was less than credible.
1098
00:50:15,917 --> 00:50:19,291
- Because Fred Cosby
was deemed a slow thinker
1099
00:50:19,375 --> 00:50:21,834
by police, bosses,
and prosecutors,
1100
00:50:21,917 --> 00:50:24,917
Cosby's statement against
Brooks was discounted.
1101
00:50:26,583 --> 00:50:30,208
- This boy was able to describe
1102
00:50:30,291 --> 00:50:33,625
every piece of clothes,
1103
00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:36,542
socks,
the stripes in his shirt.
1104
00:50:36,625 --> 00:50:38,333
That's a good witness.
1105
00:50:38,417 --> 00:50:43,000
- Even though the police
deemed him as being "slow,"
1106
00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:45,667
I thought that
he was very credible,
1107
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:49,083
and he was not
the only witness.
1108
00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:51,875
- People who lived
behind the laundromat
1109
00:50:51,959 --> 00:50:57,458
saw someone lying an object
down out near a dumpster.
1110
00:50:57,542 --> 00:51:02,083
And then the body of Clifford
Jones was found there.
1111
00:51:02,166 --> 00:51:04,500
- The person carrying
that plastic bag
1112
00:51:04,583 --> 00:51:06,542
containing
Clifford Jones' body,
1113
00:51:06,625 --> 00:51:08,000
look like Wayne Williams?
1114
00:51:08,083 --> 00:51:10,041
- No, he didn't look like
Wayne Williams to me
1115
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:12,417
'cause he looked
just like Jamie.
1116
00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:16,208
- I would have arrested
Jamie Brooks,
1117
00:51:16,291 --> 00:51:18,375
but the city fathers
at that time
1118
00:51:18,458 --> 00:51:20,375
of the task force hierarchy
1119
00:51:20,458 --> 00:51:23,250
apparently ruled him out
as a suspect
1120
00:51:23,333 --> 00:51:25,375
when Wayne Williams
was arrested.
1121
00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:27,166
That really bothered me.
1122
00:51:28,834 --> 00:51:31,625
- What would you like
to see done with this case?
1123
00:51:31,709 --> 00:51:33,250
What should be done with it?
1124
00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:34,750
- I'd like to see it reopened.
1125
00:51:34,834 --> 00:51:36,542
I think the investigation
1126
00:51:36,625 --> 00:51:38,959
should pick up
where it left off.
1127
00:51:39,041 --> 00:51:42,458
- After Sidney Dorsey
did an interview with me,
1128
00:51:42,542 --> 00:51:45,458
he was demoted
to the rank of lieutenant
1129
00:51:45,542 --> 00:51:49,583
for his public remarks
about the case.
1130
00:51:49,667 --> 00:51:52,250
Reopening the Jones case
could disprove
1131
00:51:52,333 --> 00:51:55,750
the 23 other murder cases
blamed on Wayne Williams,
1132
00:51:55,834 --> 00:51:59,250
all linked
by the same fiber evidence.
1133
00:51:59,333 --> 00:52:04,250
- The green trilobal fiber
was on the two charged cases,
1134
00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,875
plus ten pattern cases.
1135
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,250
It showed up again
in the case of Clifford Jones,
1136
00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:17,542
which was not
one of those pattern cases.
1137
00:52:19,667 --> 00:52:21,917
- The state did not include
Clifford Jones
1138
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,667
in its pattern cases
because the eyewitness accounts
1139
00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:30,041
named a killer
other than Wayne Williams.
1140
00:52:31,875 --> 00:52:34,166
In addition,
the prosecution alleged
1141
00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:38,417
that this green trilobal fiber
could only have come
1142
00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:42,500
from the carpeting
in Wayne Williams' home.
1143
00:52:42,583 --> 00:52:44,083
But in
the Clifford Jones case,
1144
00:52:44,166 --> 00:52:47,250
who is to say that
that fiber
1145
00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:50,333
didn't land
on Clifford Jones' body
1146
00:52:50,417 --> 00:52:55,166
in the laundromat
in which he was killed?
1147
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:58,166
It calls into question
the uniqueness
1148
00:52:58,250 --> 00:53:00,375
of the green trilobal fiber,
1149
00:53:00,458 --> 00:53:05,166
so the Clifford Jones case
demolishes the state's case.
1150
00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,208
[dramatic music]
1151
00:53:08,291 --> 00:53:11,166
- They made
over 100 different matches
1152
00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:14,375
to environments
that Wayne was in.
1153
00:53:14,458 --> 00:53:16,333
I think the hair and fiber
evidence is good.
1154
00:53:16,417 --> 00:53:18,041
It links him
to the crime scene.
1155
00:53:18,125 --> 00:53:21,875
So, I mean, Bob Sirkin
can have his opinion.
1156
00:53:21,959 --> 00:53:23,834
I happen to be
the one that was there,
1157
00:53:23,917 --> 00:53:25,458
and I have my opinion.
1158
00:53:25,542 --> 00:53:31,542
♪ ♪
1159
00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:35,709
- Throughout two searches
of the house,
1160
00:53:35,792 --> 00:53:37,375
20 hours of searching my car,
1161
00:53:37,458 --> 00:53:41,375
not one fiber from any victim,
1162
00:53:41,458 --> 00:53:43,000
their clothing,
or their environment,
1163
00:53:43,083 --> 00:53:46,500
was ever found in my house.
1164
00:53:46,583 --> 00:53:49,208
Not only did they not
find fibers in my house,
1165
00:53:49,291 --> 00:53:50,875
no fingerprints were found,
1166
00:53:50,959 --> 00:53:53,208
nothing indicating
a struggle or anything.
1167
00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:57,000
No--you know,
it's just preposterous.
1168
00:53:57,083 --> 00:53:58,750
If you've got
eyewitnesses that say,
1169
00:53:58,834 --> 00:54:01,208
"I saw so and so
kill somebody,"
1170
00:54:01,291 --> 00:54:03,208
they need to be in jail.
1171
00:54:03,291 --> 00:54:05,875
So why am I here?
1172
00:54:05,959 --> 00:54:08,250
- They know Wayne Williams
did not kill him.
1173
00:54:08,333 --> 00:54:11,583
They know that.
1174
00:54:11,667 --> 00:54:14,417
Jamie Brooks
and Calvin Smith.
1175
00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:18,375
That's who I think did it.
1176
00:54:18,458 --> 00:54:19,750
- We found out about
Jamie Brooks
1177
00:54:19,834 --> 00:54:22,208
after Jamie Brooks
was--died in jail.
1178
00:54:22,291 --> 00:54:24,125
They didn't tell us
about Jamie Brooks
1179
00:54:24,208 --> 00:54:27,291
at the time
Clifford was murdered.
1180
00:54:27,375 --> 00:54:30,333
We didn't find out about
Jamie Brooks until years later.
1181
00:54:31,417 --> 00:54:33,333
- Authorities blamed
Clifford Jones' murder
1182
00:54:33,417 --> 00:54:36,834
not on Jamie Brooks,
but on Wayne Williams.
1183
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:40,542
- Parents of 13 missing
and murdered victims
1184
00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:43,625
have confronted Public Safety
Commissioner George Napper.
1185
00:54:43,709 --> 00:54:45,750
The parents are threatening
to sue Napper
1186
00:54:45,834 --> 00:54:47,291
and other city officials.
1187
00:54:47,375 --> 00:54:49,583
They charge police
with covering up the facts
1188
00:54:49,667 --> 00:54:52,625
behind 24 murders
blamed on Wayne Williams.
1189
00:54:52,709 --> 00:54:54,083
Here's Bob Sirkin.
1190
00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:55,458
- The parents of 13
1191
00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:57,333
missing and murdered
victims converging...
1192
00:54:57,417 --> 00:55:00,542
After we rolled out
five or six of these stories,
1193
00:55:00,625 --> 00:55:03,625
the families marched
on George Napper,
1194
00:55:03,709 --> 00:55:05,625
the police
commissioner's office,
1195
00:55:05,709 --> 00:55:09,959
demanding that
he reopen this case.
1196
00:55:10,041 --> 00:55:11,959
- We want to see
Commissioner Napper.
1197
00:55:12,041 --> 00:55:14,417
- Told that Napper
was away from his office,
1198
00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,458
the angry parents
staged a sit-in of sorts,
1199
00:55:17,542 --> 00:55:19,125
police officials ordering them
1200
00:55:19,208 --> 00:55:21,667
to stop chanting
civil rights songs.
1201
00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:25,250
- You did not accommodate us.
Why should we accommodate you?
1202
00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:27,500
- Napper and Police Chief
Morris Redding
1203
00:55:27,583 --> 00:55:30,333
arrived agreeing to meet
with the parents.
1204
00:55:30,417 --> 00:55:32,291
They were so desperate
for answers
1205
00:55:32,375 --> 00:55:34,834
and a more thorough
investigation.
1206
00:55:34,917 --> 00:55:36,291
They were really enraged.
1207
00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:37,792
- This may be strong language,
1208
00:55:37,875 --> 00:55:40,625
but I think the city became
an accessory to the murderer.
1209
00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:42,875
- If they had enough proof
to say he killed my child,
1210
00:55:42,959 --> 00:55:44,000
I feel they should
have enough proof
1211
00:55:44,083 --> 00:55:45,166
to bring him back to court
1212
00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:47,125
and try him
for killing our children.
1213
00:55:47,208 --> 00:55:48,959
- I'm really mad about it,
1214
00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:52,000
because I don't think the city
of Atlanta did us right.
1215
00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:54,000
- The angry parents
have now departed vowing--
1216
00:55:54,083 --> 00:55:57,208
It was very frustrating
that the police
1217
00:55:57,291 --> 00:55:59,500
never arrested Jamie Brooks
1218
00:55:59,583 --> 00:56:01,875
in connection
with Clifford Jones' murder.
1219
00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:07,208
- The question is,
would we charge somebody
1220
00:56:07,291 --> 00:56:08,375
without evidence?
1221
00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:10,834
And the answer is no.
1222
00:56:10,917 --> 00:56:12,667
And there wasn't
enough evidence to charge him
1223
00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:15,625
with the case
of Clifford Jones,
1224
00:56:15,709 --> 00:56:18,709
'cause there really
wasn't much evidence.
1225
00:56:18,792 --> 00:56:21,417
- The public needs,
and has a right, to know.
1226
00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:24,041
It was disgusting,
quite honestly.
1227
00:56:24,125 --> 00:56:27,166
To me, as a journalist,
that the city
1228
00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:29,542
would turn their backs
on a story like this.
1229
00:56:29,625 --> 00:56:31,041
- Bob Sirkin
live in our newsroom.
1230
00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:32,834
And when Action News returns...
1231
00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:35,458
- The issue for the world
1232
00:56:35,542 --> 00:56:37,208
is how are we gonna stop this
1233
00:56:37,291 --> 00:56:40,208
from happening in our cities
and countries again?
1234
00:56:40,291 --> 00:56:43,875
- The city administration
just wanted the community
1235
00:56:43,959 --> 00:56:47,250
to stop making
a big deal about this.
1236
00:56:47,333 --> 00:56:49,083
And of course, the community
was not going to,
1237
00:56:49,166 --> 00:56:52,041
because it was our kids.
1238
00:56:52,125 --> 00:56:54,417
- I'm convinced
Wayne Williams is innocent.
1239
00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:57,583
I'm convinced
that this was a political--
1240
00:56:57,667 --> 00:56:58,917
more of a political thing
1241
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,917
than it was a trial
about guilt or innocence.
1242
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,208
- So you don't think
he killed your son, either?
1243
00:57:04,291 --> 00:57:06,500
- I don't think
he killed anybody.
1244
00:57:07,667 --> 00:57:09,750
- It was also very clear
that the city
1245
00:57:09,834 --> 00:57:12,750
saw the mothers
as troublemakers.
1246
00:57:12,834 --> 00:57:13,959
They were being loud.
1247
00:57:14,041 --> 00:57:15,709
They were not shutting up
1248
00:57:15,792 --> 00:57:18,000
and sitting down
and going away.
1249
00:57:19,542 --> 00:57:21,917
- The Committee to Stop
Children's Murders sign
1250
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,959
is still up on MLK Drive,
1251
00:57:24,041 --> 00:57:25,667
but its doors are locked,
1252
00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:28,083
and the phones
are disconnected.
1253
00:57:28,166 --> 00:57:29,709
- A lot of these women
were accused of,
1254
00:57:29,792 --> 00:57:31,375
you know, just being
in front of the camera
1255
00:57:31,458 --> 00:57:33,375
so that they could get
speaking engagement money,
1256
00:57:33,458 --> 00:57:35,583
or they could get donations.
1257
00:57:35,667 --> 00:57:37,792
Some people called them
hustlers or whatever.
1258
00:57:37,875 --> 00:57:40,083
Some ministers
said stuff like that.
1259
00:57:40,166 --> 00:57:43,125
Some politicians
said stuff like that.
1260
00:57:43,208 --> 00:57:45,125
It was outrageous.
1261
00:57:45,208 --> 00:57:47,709
- An investigation is underway
by the state government
1262
00:57:47,792 --> 00:57:50,458
to see why their Committee
to Stop Children's Murders
1263
00:57:50,542 --> 00:57:53,500
has not registered
as a fundraising organization.
1264
00:57:53,583 --> 00:57:56,291
- They did everything they
could to discredit Camille
1265
00:57:56,375 --> 00:57:58,500
and to drive her
out of the city.
1266
00:57:58,583 --> 00:58:02,417
♪ ♪
1267
00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:05,750
- You know,
Atlanta is funny because
1268
00:58:05,834 --> 00:58:11,417
I really, really love Atlanta
in a lot of different ways,
1269
00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,166
but I guess Atlanta's
1270
00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:18,250
like a bad spouse.
1271
00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:19,959
You know, like you don't stop
loving them,
1272
00:58:20,041 --> 00:58:21,667
but you can't keep
staying there with them.
1273
00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:24,875
♪ ♪
1274
00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:33,333
- I think going back
many generations,
1275
00:58:33,417 --> 00:58:34,458
there's a tendency,
1276
00:58:34,542 --> 00:58:37,500
in the African American
community especially,
1277
00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:40,792
for us to tuck our hurt
and our pain away.
1278
00:58:40,875 --> 00:58:43,333
We--I think it's something
that we've learned
1279
00:58:43,417 --> 00:58:47,166
as a survival mechanism
during slavery, even,
1280
00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:50,583
that we don't often talk about
1281
00:58:50,667 --> 00:58:53,458
those painful parts
of our history.
1282
00:58:53,542 --> 00:58:56,709
And I think
that's exactly what's happened
1283
00:58:56,792 --> 00:58:58,625
with the missing
and murdered children.
1284
00:59:00,083 --> 00:59:03,000
Remembering this part
of our story,
1285
00:59:03,083 --> 00:59:07,041
I think it's our
responsibility to do that.
1286
00:59:07,125 --> 00:59:11,000
A number of the investigations
were at various phases,
1287
00:59:11,083 --> 00:59:13,375
and as soon as
Wayne Williams was arrested,
1288
00:59:13,458 --> 00:59:15,083
they just cut them off.
1289
00:59:15,166 --> 00:59:17,041
No matter--
if they were pointing
1290
00:59:17,125 --> 00:59:18,542
towards family members.
1291
00:59:18,625 --> 00:59:20,542
One child they thought
may have actually been
1292
00:59:20,625 --> 00:59:23,667
an accidental fall
from a bridge.
1293
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:26,375
I think what's clear already
1294
00:59:26,458 --> 00:59:29,083
is that some
of these children
1295
00:59:29,166 --> 00:59:34,709
perhaps should not have been
attributed to Wayne Williams,
1296
00:59:34,792 --> 00:59:37,500
and there also
may be other children
1297
00:59:37,583 --> 00:59:40,542
who should have been
included on this list
1298
00:59:40,625 --> 00:59:42,792
who weren't included.
1299
00:59:42,875 --> 00:59:45,208
They feel pretty certain,
and, Joshua, you can correct me
1300
00:59:45,291 --> 00:59:48,250
if I'm wrong on this,
that perhaps the two girls
1301
00:59:48,333 --> 00:59:51,375
were not victims
of Wayne Williams.
1302
00:59:51,458 --> 00:59:52,667
- Right.
That's what she communicated
1303
00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:54,250
during our last conversation.
1304
00:59:54,333 --> 00:59:57,291
- The investigators think
that there was at least
1305
00:59:57,375 --> 00:59:59,417
one other killer out there.
1306
00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:02,458
[dramatic music]
1307
01:00:02,542 --> 01:00:09,500
♪ ♪
1308
01:00:37,542 --> 01:00:39,583
[bright tone]
1309
01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:45,750
MAN: The homicides stopped after
the arrest of Wayne Williams.
1310
01:00:46,041 --> 01:00:47,667
I'm 100 percent certain
1311
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:49,208
that Wayne Williams
is the killer.
1312
01:00:49,583 --> 01:00:53,709
There is no justice
in the United States of America.
1313
01:00:54,458 --> 01:00:57,333
MAN 2: The Georgia Bureau
investigation had opened up
1314
01:00:57,417 --> 01:01:02,208
an entire investigation
focusing on Ku Klux Klan
1315
01:01:02,291 --> 01:01:03,792
involvement in the killings.
1316
01:01:04,125 --> 01:01:07,083
Charles T. Sanders admitted
killing Geter.
1317
01:01:07,583 --> 01:01:10,291
They've been trying to cover
this stuff for 40 years.
1318
01:01:10,375 --> 01:01:11,333
And they slipped up.
1319
01:01:11,417 --> 01:01:12,583
MAN 3: They chose Wayne,
1320
01:01:12,834 --> 01:01:16,333
but had they pinned this
on somebody white...
1321
01:01:16,875 --> 01:01:19,417
there would have been riots
all over America.
1322
01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:22,041
♪ (DRAMATIC OUTRO PLAYS) ♪
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