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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:06,667 --> 00:00:07,250 (SCHOOL BELL RINGS) 2 00:00:07,792 --> 00:00:08,750 FRANK TASSONE: I wanted to make a difference. 3 00:00:08,834 --> 00:00:09,500 We did! 4 00:00:09,834 --> 00:00:11,083 WOMAN: This is a criminal matter. 5 00:00:11,458 --> 00:00:12,917 TASSONE: If this scandal gets out, 6 00:00:14,000 --> 00:00:15,417 we will lose everything. 7 00:00:15,500 --> 00:00:16,917 (BLENDER WHIRRING) 8 00:00:18,000 --> 00:00:20,291 ♪ The hardest button to button ♪ 9 00:00:26,917 --> 00:00:28,667 The FBI developed detailed profiles 10 00:00:28,750 --> 00:00:29,500 of the suspect. 11 00:00:29,750 --> 00:00:30,750 MAN: He checks all the boxes. 12 00:00:31,083 --> 00:00:33,667 When the body of Nathaniel Cater washed up, I said, 13 00:00:33,750 --> 00:00:35,583 "I think Wayne Williams has a problem." 14 00:00:35,667 --> 00:00:38,208 ♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪ 15 00:00:38,291 --> 00:00:39,959 MAN 2: Trace evidence was a critical aspect 16 00:00:40,041 --> 00:00:40,917 of an investigation. 17 00:00:41,417 --> 00:00:43,041 MAN 3: Fiber samples from the Williams' home 18 00:00:43,125 --> 00:00:45,417 matched fibers on multiple victims. 19 00:00:45,500 --> 00:00:48,417 -This is it. -But that really wasn't it. 20 00:00:48,625 --> 00:00:49,875 I hadn't killed anybody. 21 00:00:50,250 --> 00:00:51,667 MAN 4: Why was Wayne Williams on the bridge? 22 00:00:51,750 --> 00:00:53,208 'Cause he was dropping a body. 23 00:00:53,291 --> 00:00:54,583 MAN 5: They had to close the case. 24 00:00:54,667 --> 00:00:57,458 They were going to implicate him by any means necessary. 25 00:00:57,792 --> 00:01:00,291 MAN 6: He was being charged with the murder of two men. 26 00:01:00,625 --> 00:01:03,625 Where is the solution to these dozens of children? 27 00:01:05,166 --> 00:01:06,375 [TV static drones] 28 00:01:06,458 --> 00:01:08,792 [bright tone] 29 00:01:16,125 --> 00:01:19,083 ["Save Me" by Joan Armatrading playing] 30 00:01:19,166 --> 00:01:20,375 ♪ ♪ 31 00:01:20,458 --> 00:01:23,542 - ♪ Sinking ♪ 32 00:01:23,625 --> 00:01:28,458 ♪ Caught up in a whirling motion ♪ 33 00:01:28,542 --> 00:01:32,125 ♪ Such a strange sensation ♪ 34 00:01:32,208 --> 00:01:35,542 ♪ ♪ 35 00:01:35,625 --> 00:01:40,291 ♪ The currents uncertain ♪ 36 00:01:40,375 --> 00:01:44,125 ♪ Like sails of a mill, I spin ♪ 37 00:01:46,125 --> 00:01:49,083 ♪ Like wheels, I move in a circle ♪ 38 00:01:49,166 --> 00:01:52,125 ♪ While you stand ♪ 39 00:01:52,208 --> 00:01:55,083 ♪ On the bank ♪ 40 00:01:55,166 --> 00:01:59,959 ♪ Immune or evasive ♪ 41 00:02:00,041 --> 00:02:01,959 ♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪ 42 00:02:02,041 --> 00:02:04,750 ♪ Save me ♪ 43 00:02:04,834 --> 00:02:06,583 ♪ ♪ 44 00:02:06,667 --> 00:02:09,458 ♪ Save me ♪ 45 00:02:09,542 --> 00:02:11,375 - In an Atlanta courtroom yesterday, 46 00:02:11,458 --> 00:02:14,333 testimony began in one of the most widely publicized 47 00:02:14,417 --> 00:02:16,959 murder trials in recent times. 48 00:02:17,041 --> 00:02:18,125 - Williams is charged 49 00:02:18,208 --> 00:02:20,291 only with 2 of the 28 murders 50 00:02:20,375 --> 00:02:22,208 on the special task force list, 51 00:02:22,291 --> 00:02:25,083 those of Nathaniel Cater and Jimmy Ray Payne. 52 00:02:25,166 --> 00:02:27,667 But the prosecution wants to introduce evidence 53 00:02:27,750 --> 00:02:30,417 linking Williams to ten additional victims. 54 00:02:30,500 --> 00:02:33,125 [dramatic music] 55 00:02:33,208 --> 00:02:37,625 - Wayne Williams' team knew the prosecution intended 56 00:02:37,709 --> 00:02:41,458 to introduce evidence of one or more 57 00:02:41,542 --> 00:02:44,625 of the official child murders, 58 00:02:44,709 --> 00:02:47,333 but they didn't know how many. 59 00:02:47,417 --> 00:02:49,542 And in the middle of trial, 60 00:02:49,625 --> 00:02:52,500 they announced that they are introducing evidence 61 00:02:52,583 --> 00:02:56,291 of ten other murders. 62 00:02:57,291 --> 00:02:58,959 Good luck with that defense. 63 00:03:00,417 --> 00:03:02,333 - Joe Drolet notified Judge Cooper 64 00:03:02,417 --> 00:03:05,500 the state would like to show the jury a pattern of killings 65 00:03:05,583 --> 00:03:07,875 it claims Wayne Williams committed. 66 00:03:07,959 --> 00:03:10,500 Drolet read the names of ten other victims: 67 00:03:10,583 --> 00:03:14,792 Alfred Evans, Eric Middlebrooks, 68 00:03:14,875 --> 00:03:18,667 Charles Stephens, Lubie Geter, 69 00:03:18,750 --> 00:03:23,125 Terry Pue, Patrick Baltazar, 70 00:03:23,208 --> 00:03:27,333 Joseph Bell, Larry Rogers, 71 00:03:27,417 --> 00:03:30,959 John Porter, and William Barrett. 72 00:03:32,500 --> 00:03:36,750 - The prosecution said, with magic dust and mirrors, 73 00:03:36,834 --> 00:03:38,375 "We're gonna," you know, 74 00:03:38,458 --> 00:03:41,959 "Give you an additional ten murders." 75 00:03:43,667 --> 00:03:45,333 - It was absolutely crazy. 76 00:03:45,417 --> 00:03:49,166 How do you defend against what we did not know? 77 00:03:49,250 --> 00:03:51,834 [solemn music] 78 00:03:51,917 --> 00:03:53,542 [indistinct chatter] 79 00:03:53,625 --> 00:03:54,875 - No comment. 80 00:03:54,959 --> 00:03:56,917 - Mary, it's the first time that the police 81 00:03:57,000 --> 00:04:00,041 have publicly stated that Wayne is the suspect 82 00:04:00,125 --> 00:04:02,458 in more than the two cases he is charged in. 83 00:04:02,542 --> 00:04:03,583 Any comment on that? 84 00:04:03,667 --> 00:04:06,125 - I have no comment on anything. 85 00:04:07,583 --> 00:04:11,458 - The state built its case around this notion 86 00:04:11,542 --> 00:04:15,500 that if Wayne Williams killed one, he killed them all. 87 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:18,542 - Similar transactions have been used 88 00:04:18,625 --> 00:04:19,750 as long as there have been courts 89 00:04:19,834 --> 00:04:21,542 in the Anglo-American system. 90 00:04:21,625 --> 00:04:24,208 First case I found in the United States Supreme Court 91 00:04:24,291 --> 00:04:26,542 on it was in 1842, 92 00:04:26,625 --> 00:04:28,583 saying that it is a common practice 93 00:04:28,667 --> 00:04:32,041 and it is completely appropriate to use 94 00:04:32,125 --> 00:04:36,750 evidence of another crime, proves the crime on trial. 95 00:04:36,834 --> 00:04:40,542 [indistinct chatter] 96 00:04:40,625 --> 00:04:42,792 - Normally in cases where they allow 97 00:04:42,875 --> 00:04:46,375 pattern evidence, they stop the trial, 98 00:04:46,458 --> 00:04:50,125 and you have a hearing to determine whether or not 99 00:04:50,208 --> 00:04:53,792 these cases should be allowed as pattern evidence. 100 00:04:53,875 --> 00:04:55,625 We didn't have that. 101 00:04:55,709 --> 00:04:59,291 Judge Cooper did not help the defense at all. 102 00:04:59,375 --> 00:05:02,834 He decided to allow the prosecution 103 00:05:02,917 --> 00:05:06,792 to bring on the pattern evidence. 104 00:05:06,875 --> 00:05:09,625 - Out of 11 choices, the computer picked this man 105 00:05:09,709 --> 00:05:11,959 to sit in judgement over all future decisions 106 00:05:12,041 --> 00:05:14,458 about accused murderer Wayne Williams. 107 00:05:14,542 --> 00:05:16,625 Ironically, Judge Cooper, randomly selected 108 00:05:16,709 --> 00:05:19,333 from that computer, knows both sides real well. 109 00:05:19,417 --> 00:05:20,667 In fact, he worked for 110 00:05:20,750 --> 00:05:22,500 Fulton County District Attorney Lewis Slayton 111 00:05:22,583 --> 00:05:23,792 for eight years. 112 00:05:23,875 --> 00:05:26,000 Cooper was then an assistant district attorney. 113 00:05:26,083 --> 00:05:29,166 He still refers to Lewis Slayton as "the boss." 114 00:05:30,542 --> 00:05:33,125 - Clarence Cooper was the city of Atlanta's 115 00:05:33,208 --> 00:05:36,000 first black superior court judge, 116 00:05:36,083 --> 00:05:38,875 and I don't really think he wanted the case. 117 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:43,458 It was almost as if the cards were being stacked 118 00:05:43,542 --> 00:05:46,834 so that if this black man is found guilty, 119 00:05:46,917 --> 00:05:48,542 it's black people who did it. 120 00:05:48,625 --> 00:05:51,959 So the black community will therefore accept it. 121 00:05:52,041 --> 00:05:53,583 There were so many other judges who could have done it 122 00:05:53,667 --> 00:05:54,750 who had more tenure. 123 00:05:54,834 --> 00:05:57,000 So why was it given to him? 124 00:05:57,083 --> 00:05:58,208 And I think it was given to him 125 00:05:58,291 --> 00:06:01,083 because he was the most prominent black judge. 126 00:06:03,291 --> 00:06:05,625 - With every critical decision, 127 00:06:05,709 --> 00:06:09,208 Judge Cooper is ruling in favor of Lewis Slayton, 128 00:06:09,291 --> 00:06:12,125 and so here comes the pattern evidence. 129 00:06:12,208 --> 00:06:14,667 [ominous music] 130 00:06:14,750 --> 00:06:17,208 - They said, "This person should be considered 131 00:06:17,291 --> 00:06:22,000 "a part of the pattern because that person was black, 132 00:06:22,083 --> 00:06:24,166 "found partially clothed, 133 00:06:24,250 --> 00:06:28,125 either stabbed or strangled or drowned." 134 00:06:28,959 --> 00:06:31,542 Every case could have been a part of the pattern, 135 00:06:31,625 --> 00:06:34,709 because how many other ways is there to die? 136 00:06:34,792 --> 00:06:38,542 - They were under 12. 137 00:06:38,625 --> 00:06:41,041 They were over 25. 138 00:06:41,125 --> 00:06:43,542 They were very tall. 139 00:06:43,625 --> 00:06:45,750 They were very small. 140 00:06:45,834 --> 00:06:47,667 Find me a pattern. 141 00:06:47,750 --> 00:06:51,417 - Wayne's been charged with two murders. 142 00:06:51,500 --> 00:06:55,542 The task force has more than 20 murders. 143 00:06:55,625 --> 00:07:00,208 Do the investigators think he's guilty of more than two? 144 00:07:00,291 --> 00:07:02,834 Is it 10? Is it 22? 145 00:07:02,917 --> 00:07:04,208 Is it all of them? 146 00:07:05,709 --> 00:07:08,041 - There were so many things that just pointed directly 147 00:07:08,125 --> 00:07:09,333 at Wayne Williams. 148 00:07:10,917 --> 00:07:14,083 The 12 cases were logically connected, 149 00:07:14,166 --> 00:07:16,417 because the same fibers kept showing up 150 00:07:16,500 --> 00:07:18,250 over and over and over again. 151 00:07:18,333 --> 00:07:21,041 ♪ ♪ 152 00:07:21,125 --> 00:07:22,083 - Okay. 153 00:07:22,166 --> 00:07:24,625 So this a summary chart that I put together 154 00:07:24,709 --> 00:07:28,125 to help me keep track of the number of associations 155 00:07:28,208 --> 00:07:29,583 with the different victims. 156 00:07:29,667 --> 00:07:32,709 If you take any particular victim 157 00:07:32,792 --> 00:07:35,083 and you look across, some victims only had 158 00:07:35,166 --> 00:07:36,458 one association. 159 00:07:36,542 --> 00:07:40,333 Some had as many as eight or nine 160 00:07:40,417 --> 00:07:42,083 different types of associations. 161 00:07:42,166 --> 00:07:45,625 That's different objects that linked the victim 162 00:07:45,709 --> 00:07:47,291 to Williams' environment, 163 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:48,917 the ones that I considered 164 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:51,041 kind of the more primary fiber types. 165 00:07:52,083 --> 00:07:54,625 In terms of the dog hair, there 18 cases 166 00:07:54,709 --> 00:07:56,959 where dog hair is associated 167 00:07:57,041 --> 00:07:58,291 with Sheba, the German Shepherd 168 00:07:58,375 --> 00:08:00,291 from the Williams home, were found to have 169 00:08:00,375 --> 00:08:01,792 a positive association. 170 00:08:01,875 --> 00:08:04,875 There are fibers that match different vehicles 171 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:06,500 that the family had access to 172 00:08:06,583 --> 00:08:08,959 throughout the time frame of the cases, 173 00:08:09,041 --> 00:08:13,917 fibers that matched a throw rug that was in the kitchen... 174 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,834 and a bath mat set. 175 00:08:15,917 --> 00:08:18,500 The only fiber type that had more matches 176 00:08:18,583 --> 00:08:21,000 than the 18 dog hairs was the violet acetate, 177 00:08:21,083 --> 00:08:23,667 where there were 21 different victims 178 00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:26,917 that had fibers matching the violet acetate. 179 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:30,041 One of the distinctive fibers was this green carpet, 180 00:08:30,125 --> 00:08:33,959 and the green carpet fibers had 15 different cases 181 00:08:34,041 --> 00:08:35,208 where there were associations 182 00:08:35,291 --> 00:08:36,917 that matched the Williams home. 183 00:08:38,417 --> 00:08:41,166 Both Payne and Cater had the green carpet, 184 00:08:41,250 --> 00:08:42,917 both had the violet acetate. 185 00:08:43,709 --> 00:08:46,834 All of it matched the Williams environment. 186 00:08:46,917 --> 00:08:48,667 - As the defense watched intently, 187 00:08:48,750 --> 00:08:51,000 an FBI expert used detailed charts 188 00:08:51,083 --> 00:08:52,291 to make his conclusion 189 00:08:52,375 --> 00:08:54,583 that fibers removed from the 12 victims 190 00:08:54,667 --> 00:08:56,166 were similar to those taken from 191 00:08:56,250 --> 00:08:58,041 the home and car of Wayne Williams. 192 00:08:58,125 --> 00:09:00,000 [dramatic music] 193 00:09:00,083 --> 00:09:03,208 - Man-made carpet fibers have 194 00:09:03,291 --> 00:09:05,875 a very specific chemical composition 195 00:09:05,959 --> 00:09:07,625 and specific shape. 196 00:09:08,792 --> 00:09:12,709 Wayne Williams' green carpet fiber was 197 00:09:12,792 --> 00:09:16,875 man-made by a specific factory, 198 00:09:16,959 --> 00:09:18,875 by a specific company, 199 00:09:18,959 --> 00:09:22,458 during a relatively short period of time. 200 00:09:23,291 --> 00:09:26,250 - Because most fibers have identifiable characteristics, 201 00:09:26,333 --> 00:09:27,709 investigators had hoped to trace 202 00:09:27,792 --> 00:09:30,500 the Williams carpet fiber to its source. 203 00:09:30,583 --> 00:09:33,208 A breakthrough led quickly to Wellman Industries 204 00:09:33,291 --> 00:09:35,667 of tiny Johnsonville, South Carolina. 205 00:09:35,750 --> 00:09:37,750 Today a company official testified 206 00:09:37,834 --> 00:09:40,709 the fiber in question was indeed a Wellman fiber. 207 00:09:40,792 --> 00:09:42,875 We know of no one else in the world 208 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:44,625 who makes a fiber like that. 209 00:09:45,709 --> 00:09:47,291 - Wellman was a small company 210 00:09:47,375 --> 00:09:49,041 in Johnsonville, South Carolina, 211 00:09:49,125 --> 00:09:50,750 so small that people in the industry 212 00:09:50,834 --> 00:09:52,750 didn't consider them as a source. 213 00:09:52,834 --> 00:09:55,917 West Point-Pepperell used the Wellman fiber 214 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:57,792 to make a carpet called the Luxaire line. 215 00:09:57,875 --> 00:10:00,083 It was an English Olive color. 216 00:10:00,166 --> 00:10:04,583 They had only used the 181B fiber in 1970. 217 00:10:04,667 --> 00:10:07,542 820 rooms of carpet was distributed 218 00:10:07,625 --> 00:10:09,583 into ten southeastern states. 219 00:10:09,667 --> 00:10:13,542 So we did not know how much was shipped to these ten states. 220 00:10:13,625 --> 00:10:16,750 But if you consider an equal distribution, 221 00:10:16,834 --> 00:10:19,750 that would put roughly 82 rooms of that carpet 222 00:10:19,834 --> 00:10:21,458 for the entire state of Georgia. 223 00:10:22,542 --> 00:10:26,041 - It's unique, you know, this fiber. 224 00:10:27,208 --> 00:10:29,667 - Remember, this is 1980. 225 00:10:29,750 --> 00:10:32,458 You're in cloth country down here. 226 00:10:32,542 --> 00:10:34,333 This our business in the South. 227 00:10:36,542 --> 00:10:40,667 The industries all up and down the river, you know, 228 00:10:40,750 --> 00:10:42,417 are dumping right into the river. 229 00:10:43,542 --> 00:10:45,625 Of course it was full of fibers. 230 00:10:45,709 --> 00:10:49,125 Not only the green fibers or the red fibers 231 00:10:49,208 --> 00:10:53,583 or the German Shepherd hair follicles, 232 00:10:53,667 --> 00:10:56,041 there was everything in there. 233 00:10:56,125 --> 00:10:58,458 [foreboding music] 234 00:10:58,542 --> 00:11:01,125 - Dr. Randall Bresee conducted several tests, 235 00:11:01,208 --> 00:11:03,875 one by placing a so-called "fiber-free" pillowcase 236 00:11:03,959 --> 00:11:07,125 into the Chattahoochee River for 30 minutes. 237 00:11:07,208 --> 00:11:08,792 - We bought two pillowcases, 238 00:11:08,875 --> 00:11:11,792 and we took 'em down to the Chattahoochee 239 00:11:11,875 --> 00:11:14,709 and dragged 'em in the water. 240 00:11:16,250 --> 00:11:18,000 - He told the jury when it came out, 241 00:11:18,083 --> 00:11:21,041 hundreds of fibers clung to the material, 242 00:11:21,125 --> 00:11:22,625 suggesting fibers found on 243 00:11:22,709 --> 00:11:25,166 Cater and Jimmy Payne's bodies may have been picked up 244 00:11:25,250 --> 00:11:27,709 from the river, not Williams' home and car. 245 00:11:27,792 --> 00:11:29,709 ♪ ♪ 246 00:11:29,792 --> 00:11:31,667 - I got to examine the fibers 247 00:11:31,750 --> 00:11:33,500 on this pillowcase study he had done, 248 00:11:33,583 --> 00:11:37,000 and there were about 35 fibers total. 249 00:11:37,083 --> 00:11:40,625 And none of them were remotely close to anything 250 00:11:40,709 --> 00:11:43,417 of any of the fibers from any of the cases. 251 00:11:44,583 --> 00:11:47,625 I was so immersed into the fiber and the hair 252 00:11:47,709 --> 00:11:51,125 and production of exhibits for the trial. 253 00:11:52,250 --> 00:11:54,500 It was just an overwhelming task, 254 00:11:54,583 --> 00:11:59,250 even though the trace man from the FBI lab and myself 255 00:11:59,333 --> 00:12:00,750 were sharing that load. 256 00:12:00,834 --> 00:12:04,542 There was work underway even after the trial started, 257 00:12:04,625 --> 00:12:07,583 and exhibits were being produced at the FBI 258 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:09,166 and flown back and forth. 259 00:12:09,250 --> 00:12:12,208 [dynamic music] 260 00:12:12,291 --> 00:12:14,542 - At the trial, the FBI lab in Washington 261 00:12:14,625 --> 00:12:15,875 came up with the charts 262 00:12:15,959 --> 00:12:18,875 to give a two- or three-day education to the jury 263 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:22,375 and to the judge on how fiber is made. 264 00:12:22,458 --> 00:12:25,375 - It was a very deliberate strategy 265 00:12:25,458 --> 00:12:29,083 on the part of the prosecution to impress the jury 266 00:12:29,166 --> 00:12:31,917 with the overall weight of the evidence. 267 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:33,125 [tense music] 268 00:12:33,208 --> 00:12:34,417 - It was a lot of charts, 269 00:12:34,500 --> 00:12:36,417 and we did see the comparison, 270 00:12:36,500 --> 00:12:37,792 what they found on the rug, 271 00:12:37,875 --> 00:12:39,750 what they found on the dog hair. 272 00:12:39,834 --> 00:12:43,250 We just kind of had to go by what they said, 273 00:12:43,333 --> 00:12:46,291 and we didn't--we w--of course, we not scientists. 274 00:12:46,375 --> 00:12:49,041 ♪ ♪ 275 00:12:49,125 --> 00:12:51,125 - They made all these different matches 276 00:12:51,208 --> 00:12:54,542 to Wayne's carpet, bedspread, et cetera, 277 00:12:54,625 --> 00:12:57,291 and then they drew statistical probabilities. 278 00:12:58,625 --> 00:13:00,250 1 in 100 chances that this child 279 00:13:00,333 --> 00:13:01,917 was in this environment, 280 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:04,125 1 in 200 chances that he was in this environment, 281 00:13:04,208 --> 00:13:05,625 1 in 1,000 in this environment. 282 00:13:05,709 --> 00:13:07,083 They multiplied 'em all together, 283 00:13:07,166 --> 00:13:09,250 and the probabilities were off the chart 284 00:13:09,333 --> 00:13:11,834 that it could be any other environment 285 00:13:11,917 --> 00:13:13,917 other than Wayne Williams'. 286 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,375 ♪ ♪ 287 00:13:17,458 --> 00:13:21,250 - The coincidences were literally astronomical 288 00:13:21,333 --> 00:13:23,625 that all of these victims 289 00:13:23,709 --> 00:13:26,291 could have ended up with fibers 290 00:13:26,375 --> 00:13:30,375 identical to those found in Wayne Williams' house and car 291 00:13:30,458 --> 00:13:33,500 without them being in his presence. 292 00:13:33,583 --> 00:13:35,917 ♪ ♪ 293 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,291 - "Unique" doesn't make sense. 294 00:13:38,375 --> 00:13:41,333 Homer Williams buys carpet. He puts it on the floor. 295 00:13:41,417 --> 00:13:43,166 If it's only one place, 296 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:45,291 it's only in Homer Williams' house, 297 00:13:45,375 --> 00:13:47,458 but that's not the case. 298 00:13:47,542 --> 00:13:49,417 Other people bought that carpet. 299 00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:50,750 - There's no direct evidence 300 00:13:50,834 --> 00:13:53,000 that Wayne Williams committed the murders. 301 00:13:54,458 --> 00:13:55,625 The fiber and the hair evidence 302 00:13:55,709 --> 00:13:59,500 does not put Wayne Williams' hand or a ligature 303 00:13:59,583 --> 00:14:00,792 killing these victims. 304 00:14:00,875 --> 00:14:03,125 It's a connection to the environment. 305 00:14:04,417 --> 00:14:06,834 Whether Wayne Williams killed these victims or not 306 00:14:06,917 --> 00:14:10,667 are beyond the scope of what the evidence directly shows. 307 00:14:10,750 --> 00:14:12,000 [dramatic music] 308 00:14:12,083 --> 00:14:14,250 But the evidence supports the fact 309 00:14:14,333 --> 00:14:16,875 that they were clearly in his environment-- 310 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:19,166 collectively home, car, person-- 311 00:14:19,250 --> 00:14:21,375 shortly before they were killed. 312 00:14:21,458 --> 00:14:25,041 So someone has to be wrong. 313 00:14:25,125 --> 00:14:28,834 ♪ ♪ 314 00:14:28,917 --> 00:14:30,709 - I could see where this was going. 315 00:14:30,792 --> 00:14:33,875 Basically, they overwhelmed us. 316 00:14:33,959 --> 00:14:37,083 - It was a beautiful orchestrated dog and pony show 317 00:14:37,166 --> 00:14:38,208 that they put on. 318 00:14:38,291 --> 00:14:40,875 The prosecution started presenting 319 00:14:40,959 --> 00:14:42,458 eyewitness testimony. 320 00:14:43,792 --> 00:14:47,417 They said that, one, Wayne was homosexual; 321 00:14:47,500 --> 00:14:50,208 two, that he was bisexual; 322 00:14:50,291 --> 00:14:51,959 three, he was a virgin. 323 00:14:52,959 --> 00:14:54,917 - One witness came forward to say that 324 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,417 Wayne Williams picked him up, 325 00:14:56,500 --> 00:14:58,250 very friendly, and then he starts asking him 326 00:14:58,333 --> 00:15:00,375 about whether he has sex with women 327 00:15:00,458 --> 00:15:04,667 and--and then reaches over and starts grabbing his penis. 328 00:15:04,750 --> 00:15:06,875 - "I can't forget his face," the boy claimed. 329 00:15:06,959 --> 00:15:09,583 "It's that man over there, Wayne Williams." 330 00:15:09,667 --> 00:15:13,041 - This case had a lot of witnesses who said they saw 331 00:15:13,125 --> 00:15:15,208 victims with Wayne Williams, 332 00:15:15,291 --> 00:15:17,333 many of them shortly before their death. 333 00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:20,458 ♪ ♪ 334 00:15:20,542 --> 00:15:22,458 Robert I. Henry was a witness who saw 335 00:15:22,542 --> 00:15:24,959 Wayne Williams holding hands with Nathaniel Cater 336 00:15:25,041 --> 00:15:26,959 the night before he died. 337 00:15:27,041 --> 00:15:28,917 He said, "I saw a guy, 338 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,709 "and he was holding hands with him 339 00:15:30,792 --> 00:15:33,500 near the Rialto Theater in downtown Atlanta." 340 00:15:34,834 --> 00:15:37,458 And then he pointed directly at Wayne Williams. 341 00:15:38,500 --> 00:15:39,917 - Come on, we said we wouldn't-- 342 00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:41,291 - Don't stand in front of the car. 343 00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:42,375 Give him room. 344 00:15:42,458 --> 00:15:44,291 - And so many other witnesses who claimed 345 00:15:44,375 --> 00:15:46,959 that they saw Wayne with victims. 346 00:15:47,041 --> 00:15:54,000 ♪ ♪ 347 00:15:55,959 --> 00:15:59,542 [indistinct chatter] 348 00:15:59,625 --> 00:16:00,834 - Lady in the brown coat... 349 00:16:00,917 --> 00:16:03,125 - Ruth Warren happened to be at the shopping center 350 00:16:03,208 --> 00:16:05,625 and saw Lubie Geter talking with Wayne Williams 351 00:16:05,709 --> 00:16:07,417 about whether or not he could go with him. 352 00:16:07,500 --> 00:16:14,500 ♪ ♪ 353 00:16:15,667 --> 00:16:17,917 - I ain't gonna say he murdered all of 'em, 354 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:19,291 but he was in it. 355 00:16:19,375 --> 00:16:23,625 ♪ ♪ 356 00:16:23,709 --> 00:16:26,834 He acted like he was gonna put 'em in movies 357 00:16:26,917 --> 00:16:28,792 and make pictures of 'em. 358 00:16:28,875 --> 00:16:30,875 And you know what he was. 359 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,625 And I ain't gonna say it, but you already know. 360 00:16:34,709 --> 00:16:37,500 He was a homosexual. 361 00:16:37,583 --> 00:16:41,750 ♪ ♪ 362 00:16:41,834 --> 00:16:43,709 - Wayne Williams was a total fraud. 363 00:16:43,792 --> 00:16:46,375 He had no contracts with recording studios. 364 00:16:46,458 --> 00:16:49,166 He didn't sell anything. He never made any money. 365 00:16:49,250 --> 00:16:51,000 He was using it as a cover. 366 00:16:51,083 --> 00:16:54,834 He might have been trying to make money, but he failed. 367 00:16:54,917 --> 00:16:56,834 His failure was directed 368 00:16:56,917 --> 00:17:00,000 at young black men that he resented. 369 00:17:00,083 --> 00:17:02,041 I believe he was a homosexual 370 00:17:02,125 --> 00:17:04,917 who hated young African American men. 371 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,041 Witnesses testified to that. 372 00:17:07,125 --> 00:17:14,125 ♪ ♪ 373 00:17:20,792 --> 00:17:22,542 - He's a narcissist. 374 00:17:22,625 --> 00:17:25,542 He's a predator motivated by whatever demons 375 00:17:25,625 --> 00:17:28,333 are inside his head to make him want to do this. 376 00:17:28,417 --> 00:17:30,250 He felt some kind of anger towards these kids 377 00:17:30,333 --> 00:17:33,542 because of some kind of rage he had inside against hisself. 378 00:17:33,625 --> 00:17:36,875 [tense music] 379 00:17:36,959 --> 00:17:39,875 - Bobby Lee Toland was one of the crucial witnesses, 380 00:17:39,959 --> 00:17:43,000 if not the most crucial witness 381 00:17:43,083 --> 00:17:46,583 for explaining why. 382 00:17:46,667 --> 00:17:49,542 ♪ ♪ 383 00:17:49,625 --> 00:17:51,542 - He was an ambulance driver 384 00:17:51,625 --> 00:17:56,375 who testified that Wayne was a racist. 385 00:17:56,458 --> 00:17:59,000 He had heard Wayne talking about 386 00:17:59,083 --> 00:18:02,208 how poor kids should all be killed. 387 00:18:02,291 --> 00:18:05,250 - Bobby Toland said Williams asked him once, 388 00:18:05,333 --> 00:18:06,291 had he ever considered 389 00:18:06,375 --> 00:18:08,250 how many blacks could be eliminated 390 00:18:08,333 --> 00:18:10,542 "by killing one nigger child"? 391 00:18:10,625 --> 00:18:14,291 ♪ ♪ 392 00:18:14,375 --> 00:18:16,750 - Toland then testified Williams even had numbers 393 00:18:16,834 --> 00:18:19,583 on a piece of paper answering his own question. 394 00:18:19,667 --> 00:18:22,417 ♪ ♪ 395 00:18:22,500 --> 00:18:25,041 And then the final witness, who said she was a friend 396 00:18:25,125 --> 00:18:26,959 of Wayne Williams, took the stand. 397 00:18:27,041 --> 00:18:29,083 ♪ ♪ 398 00:18:29,166 --> 00:18:31,250 - Sharon Blakely was our last witness. 399 00:18:31,333 --> 00:18:32,917 We knew she would be an incredible witness. 400 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,250 She knew a lot about Wayne. 401 00:18:35,333 --> 00:18:36,542 She worked with Wayne. 402 00:18:36,625 --> 00:18:38,083 She liked Wayne. 403 00:18:38,166 --> 00:18:39,959 She was trying to protect Wayne. 404 00:18:41,166 --> 00:18:43,750 She could say things that had happened 405 00:18:43,834 --> 00:18:46,875 that were very damning of Wayne Williams. 406 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,125 - In a final dramatic episode, 407 00:18:49,208 --> 00:18:50,792 Ms. Blakely told the jury this: 408 00:18:50,875 --> 00:18:53,959 "I said to him, 'The game's gotta end someday. 409 00:18:54,041 --> 00:18:56,125 "'If they get enough evidence on you, Wayne, 410 00:18:56,208 --> 00:18:58,750 will you confess before you get hurt?'" 411 00:18:58,834 --> 00:19:01,417 Williams allegedly replied, "Yes." 412 00:19:01,500 --> 00:19:03,667 [tense music] 413 00:19:03,750 --> 00:19:06,667 - You could tell she was very troubled in testifying. 414 00:19:06,750 --> 00:19:08,333 She did not want to be there. 415 00:19:08,417 --> 00:19:11,792 She did not want to say what she knew, 416 00:19:11,875 --> 00:19:14,583 that Wayne was complaining about these street kids. 417 00:19:14,667 --> 00:19:16,667 ♪ ♪ 418 00:19:16,750 --> 00:19:18,291 And she said, "Wayne, you need to be careful. 419 00:19:18,375 --> 00:19:20,583 You know, some of those kids might hurt you." 420 00:19:20,667 --> 00:19:22,834 And he said, "No, they're not gonna hurt me. 421 00:19:22,917 --> 00:19:25,625 "I know a way to squeeze their neck, 422 00:19:25,709 --> 00:19:26,834 and they won't hurt me then." 423 00:19:26,917 --> 00:19:29,208 You know, and it was like, "Oh, my golly." 424 00:19:29,291 --> 00:19:30,875 So we wanted to get that in. 425 00:19:30,959 --> 00:19:32,875 And she kept looking over at Wayne 426 00:19:32,959 --> 00:19:36,166 like she was apologetic about it, almost. 427 00:19:36,250 --> 00:19:41,125 Wayne was so confident that she was going to cover for him 428 00:19:41,208 --> 00:19:42,834 that he had Al Binder ask a question 429 00:19:42,917 --> 00:19:45,000 that Al did not want to ask, and that was, 430 00:19:45,083 --> 00:19:47,667 "Do you think Wayne Williams killed anybody?" 431 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:51,208 And Sharon Blakely took the longest time. 432 00:19:51,291 --> 00:19:53,709 It was an extremely dramatic moment. 433 00:19:53,792 --> 00:19:56,000 ♪ ♪ 434 00:19:56,083 --> 00:19:57,625 She stared at Wayne. 435 00:19:57,709 --> 00:20:01,333 She began crying, tears coming down her face. 436 00:20:01,417 --> 00:20:04,250 Now the jurors are all just leaning forward, 437 00:20:04,333 --> 00:20:05,709 and we are leaning forward. 438 00:20:05,792 --> 00:20:06,959 "What's she gonna say?" 439 00:20:07,041 --> 00:20:10,875 She said, "Yeah, he did. I'm sorry." 440 00:20:10,959 --> 00:20:12,834 And it was just like... 441 00:20:12,917 --> 00:20:15,250 you could hear the air being let out in that courtroom. 442 00:20:15,333 --> 00:20:18,333 You know, it was just an incredible--incredible event. 443 00:20:18,417 --> 00:20:21,917 Um, and that was our last witness in the case, 444 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:24,667 and we rested after that. 445 00:20:25,875 --> 00:20:28,083 - After 5 weeks and more than 100 witnesses, 446 00:20:28,166 --> 00:20:29,750 the prosecution today rested its case 447 00:20:29,834 --> 00:20:31,709 in the Wayne Williams murder trial. 448 00:20:31,792 --> 00:20:33,041 Bob Sirkin reports. 449 00:20:33,125 --> 00:20:35,208 - As of now, the defense plans to call 450 00:20:35,291 --> 00:20:38,208 some 70 witnesses, and ABC News has learned 451 00:20:38,291 --> 00:20:41,333 one of them will be Wayne Williams. 452 00:20:41,417 --> 00:20:43,083 - He wanted to tell his story. 453 00:20:43,166 --> 00:20:45,417 He would be in the spotlight. 454 00:20:45,500 --> 00:20:49,000 This would be his moment for stardom. 455 00:20:49,083 --> 00:20:54,041 We decided it would be best for him to be heard saying, 456 00:20:54,125 --> 00:20:55,750 "I didn't kill any children." 457 00:20:55,834 --> 00:20:57,750 - The FBI said that in the short run, 458 00:20:57,834 --> 00:20:59,583 he will look wonderful, 459 00:20:59,667 --> 00:21:01,709 and that's what happened. 460 00:21:01,792 --> 00:21:03,583 - At one time during questioning, 461 00:21:03,667 --> 00:21:05,333 when Binder told him to speak up 462 00:21:05,417 --> 00:21:06,417 so the jury could hear him, 463 00:21:06,500 --> 00:21:08,500 the 23-year-old said, "I'm scared." 464 00:21:09,792 --> 00:21:12,250 "Have you ever known Cater or Payne?" Binder said. 465 00:21:12,333 --> 00:21:13,458 "I don't know them. 466 00:21:13,542 --> 00:21:15,291 I've never seen them before in my life," 467 00:21:15,375 --> 00:21:16,542 explained Williams. 468 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:21,083 - He sounded, you know, like this all-American kid, 469 00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:24,125 but the strategy was when he gets stressed, 470 00:21:24,208 --> 00:21:25,917 he's gonna do something different. 471 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,875 Just keep him on the stand as long as possible. 472 00:21:29,959 --> 00:21:31,792 [dramatic music] 473 00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:34,166 - Most observers said that it was probably a draw 474 00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:35,625 with no clear-cut winners. 475 00:21:35,709 --> 00:21:38,083 However, the prosecution will have another chance tomorrow 476 00:21:38,166 --> 00:21:39,667 to score some points with the jury, 477 00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:40,959 because Wayne Williams will be 478 00:21:41,041 --> 00:21:43,291 back on the stand in the morning. 479 00:21:43,375 --> 00:21:45,291 - And the first day on the witness stand, 480 00:21:45,375 --> 00:21:46,250 I was nervous, of course, 481 00:21:46,333 --> 00:21:47,625 but Mary would come back to the jail-- 482 00:21:47,709 --> 00:21:48,959 Mary Welcome-- and talk to me and say, 483 00:21:49,041 --> 00:21:52,125 "Well, Wayne, uh, you're being too cool. 484 00:21:52,208 --> 00:21:53,625 You're being too calm on the witness stand." 485 00:21:53,709 --> 00:21:55,458 I say, "Well, Mary, I've never done this before. 486 00:21:55,542 --> 00:21:57,625 "This is how you said be. 487 00:21:57,709 --> 00:21:59,750 "'Just get up and just be yourself,' which I did." 488 00:22:01,500 --> 00:22:03,500 - I said, "Wayne, you're being charged 489 00:22:03,583 --> 00:22:05,458 "with killing two persons, 490 00:22:05,542 --> 00:22:07,000 "and the implication is that 491 00:22:07,083 --> 00:22:08,834 "you've killed all these children, 492 00:22:08,917 --> 00:22:13,125 and you're showing no emotion whatsoever." 493 00:22:13,208 --> 00:22:16,750 Something should come out showing that this is not right. 494 00:22:16,834 --> 00:22:18,667 He had a right to be outraged, 495 00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:22,792 because not only had they said he killed these two adults, 496 00:22:22,875 --> 00:22:25,709 but the implication was that he killed all these children. 497 00:22:25,792 --> 00:22:27,333 - We went through all the questions 498 00:22:27,417 --> 00:22:29,709 that we knew he could not answer 499 00:22:29,792 --> 00:22:31,333 and just had a list of 'em. 500 00:22:31,417 --> 00:22:33,834 What we did was just repeat the questions 501 00:22:33,917 --> 00:22:36,625 that we had asked him the day before, 502 00:22:36,709 --> 00:22:39,291 and it was the bridge that did it. 503 00:22:39,375 --> 00:22:40,875 That messed him up 504 00:22:40,959 --> 00:22:44,041 because his whole explanation of the bridge 505 00:22:44,125 --> 00:22:46,875 varies with every telling of the story. 506 00:22:46,959 --> 00:22:49,166 That's when he blew up. 507 00:22:49,250 --> 00:22:51,333 - Assistant DA Jack Mallard came at him 508 00:22:51,417 --> 00:22:52,792 with a verbal ice pick. 509 00:22:52,875 --> 00:22:54,625 "Didn't you start dumping your victims in rivers 510 00:22:54,709 --> 00:22:57,041 because of the publicity about fiber evidence?" 511 00:22:57,125 --> 00:22:59,375 Williams: "I haven't killed nobody." 512 00:22:59,458 --> 00:23:01,166 The suspect continued his tirade, 513 00:23:01,250 --> 00:23:04,875 calling several FBI agents "goons." 514 00:23:04,959 --> 00:23:06,500 - Then he blurted out, 515 00:23:06,583 --> 00:23:09,375 "Mr. Mallard, I am no more guilty 516 00:23:09,458 --> 00:23:12,041 of killing these children than you are." 517 00:23:12,125 --> 00:23:13,917 - The prosecuting attorney continued, 518 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:14,917 "Isn't it true that 519 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:16,583 "when you were choking them to death, 520 00:23:16,667 --> 00:23:17,875 "with their last breath, 521 00:23:17,959 --> 00:23:20,166 they were scratching your arms and face?" 522 00:23:20,250 --> 00:23:22,041 "No," said Williams. 523 00:23:22,125 --> 00:23:23,500 - At that point he said, 524 00:23:23,583 --> 00:23:25,208 "I'm not answering any more of these questions." 525 00:23:25,291 --> 00:23:28,166 And he jumped up from the witness stand. 526 00:23:28,250 --> 00:23:31,667 "You want the real Wayne Williams, you got him." 527 00:23:33,500 --> 00:23:35,458 And the jury, you know, is looking at that. 528 00:23:36,583 --> 00:23:38,041 - Boom! 529 00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:40,125 According to the prosecution, 530 00:23:40,208 --> 00:23:44,375 this person became a violent killer. 531 00:23:45,500 --> 00:23:47,083 - "And now you see the real me." 532 00:23:47,166 --> 00:23:48,959 And that's like, you know, "Whoa. 533 00:23:49,041 --> 00:23:51,083 Jekyll, Hyde. Jekyll, Hyde." 534 00:23:51,166 --> 00:23:54,083 - Of course he blowed up. 535 00:23:54,166 --> 00:23:55,291 Who wouldn't? 536 00:23:55,375 --> 00:23:57,792 [suspenseful music] 537 00:23:57,875 --> 00:24:00,375 That didn't prove that he killed the childrens. 538 00:24:00,458 --> 00:24:02,125 That we supposed to be satisfied with what 539 00:24:02,208 --> 00:24:04,125 they just made him do? 540 00:24:04,208 --> 00:24:07,083 You know, so that wasn't a big thing to us. 541 00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:08,083 It really wasn't. 542 00:24:08,166 --> 00:24:09,959 It didn't find the piece to the puzzle. 543 00:24:10,041 --> 00:24:11,750 ♪ ♪ 544 00:24:11,834 --> 00:24:16,583 - They used that outburst in their closing argument. 545 00:24:16,667 --> 00:24:18,583 "See, he's a violent man. 546 00:24:18,667 --> 00:24:21,375 He's prone to these violent outrages." 547 00:24:22,709 --> 00:24:25,834 The question has been asked of me several times. 548 00:24:25,917 --> 00:24:28,000 "Did you tell him to do that or was that done?" 549 00:24:28,083 --> 00:24:32,083 I said, "Blame me, because I suggested to him 550 00:24:32,166 --> 00:24:34,125 that he show-- show some emotion." 551 00:24:34,208 --> 00:24:36,417 And that's what he did. 552 00:24:36,500 --> 00:24:38,417 ♪ ♪ 553 00:24:38,500 --> 00:24:39,959 - District Attorney Lewis Slayton 554 00:24:40,041 --> 00:24:42,125 had the last word, calling Wayne Williams 555 00:24:42,208 --> 00:24:44,291 "cunning" and "evil," saying he's like 556 00:24:44,375 --> 00:24:46,083 "Attila the Hun," "Adolf Hitler," 557 00:24:46,166 --> 00:24:47,417 and "Idi Amin," 558 00:24:47,500 --> 00:24:51,166 believers in a master race all doing away with inferiors. 559 00:24:51,250 --> 00:24:57,959 ♪ ♪ 560 00:24:58,041 --> 00:24:59,500 - It's now up to the jury to decide 561 00:24:59,583 --> 00:25:01,792 who the real Wayne Williams is, 562 00:25:01,875 --> 00:25:04,166 the psychotic killer the prosecution claims 563 00:25:04,250 --> 00:25:06,500 or the innocent young man the defense charges 564 00:25:06,583 --> 00:25:08,542 was brought to trial as a scapegoat. 565 00:25:08,625 --> 00:25:10,709 Williams now has only to wait and wonder 566 00:25:10,792 --> 00:25:14,166 whether the jury will decide he's innocent or guilty. 567 00:25:14,250 --> 00:25:16,000 [indistinct chatter] 568 00:25:16,083 --> 00:25:18,000 - What do you think the jury is likely to do? 569 00:25:18,083 --> 00:25:20,166 If you were to call it, what would you say? 570 00:25:20,250 --> 00:25:22,458 - I'd say it'd be guilty. 571 00:25:22,542 --> 00:25:24,792 - I think they gonna find him not guilty. 572 00:25:24,875 --> 00:25:26,333 - Think they're gonna find him not guilty? 573 00:25:26,417 --> 00:25:27,417 Why? 574 00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:30,291 - Because they don't have the concrete evidence, 575 00:25:30,375 --> 00:25:32,166 you know, on Wayne Williams. 576 00:25:32,250 --> 00:25:34,834 - They just didn't prove it beyond a reasonable doubt? 577 00:25:34,917 --> 00:25:36,083 - Yes. 578 00:25:37,250 --> 00:25:40,291 [solemn music] 579 00:25:40,375 --> 00:25:45,333 ♪ ♪ 580 00:25:45,417 --> 00:25:47,208 - I saw this pretty little girl down here 581 00:25:47,291 --> 00:25:49,375 that I need to talk to. 582 00:25:49,458 --> 00:25:51,875 What you doing--what you doing standing out here 583 00:25:51,959 --> 00:25:53,041 in the snow? 584 00:25:53,125 --> 00:25:54,500 [indistinct chatter] 585 00:25:54,583 --> 00:25:56,166 He--they might take him out the back door. 586 00:25:56,250 --> 00:25:59,208 Sometimes they, um, you know--they switch up. 587 00:25:59,291 --> 00:26:01,208 Why do you want to see Wayne anyway? 588 00:26:01,291 --> 00:26:04,834 ♪ ♪ 589 00:26:04,917 --> 00:26:07,583 - Wayne Williams, guarded by three deputies, 590 00:26:07,667 --> 00:26:09,709 settled into a borrowed office 591 00:26:09,792 --> 00:26:11,875 on one of the top floors of the courthouse. 592 00:26:11,959 --> 00:26:15,875 He told one visitor he felt nervous inside. 593 00:26:15,959 --> 00:26:17,875 - Whether or not District Attorney Lewis Slayton 594 00:26:17,959 --> 00:26:19,834 was pressured into making the arrest last June, 595 00:26:19,917 --> 00:26:21,792 the gamble paid off. 596 00:26:21,875 --> 00:26:23,208 The jury came back with a verdict 597 00:26:23,291 --> 00:26:25,750 much sooner than anyone expected. 598 00:26:25,834 --> 00:26:30,291 - The jury came out after 11 hours. 599 00:26:31,333 --> 00:26:33,750 After weeks of evidence, 600 00:26:33,834 --> 00:26:35,333 there's no way they could've considered 601 00:26:35,417 --> 00:26:37,333 all the evidence presented. 602 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,291 - The first vote was not--choo-slam-bam. 603 00:26:42,375 --> 00:26:43,291 Mm-mm. 604 00:26:43,375 --> 00:26:44,625 It was more people wanting 605 00:26:44,709 --> 00:26:46,166 to see some more evidence 606 00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:48,375 before they made up their minds. 607 00:26:48,458 --> 00:26:51,375 [dramatic music] 608 00:26:51,458 --> 00:26:56,291 ♪ ♪ 609 00:26:56,375 --> 00:26:58,250 - Jurors were led under tight security 610 00:26:58,333 --> 00:27:00,083 from the hotel where they'd been sequestered 611 00:27:00,166 --> 00:27:01,083 for eight weeks. 612 00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:03,208 One man nodded when asked if he felt 613 00:27:03,291 --> 00:27:04,542 they made the right decision. 614 00:27:04,625 --> 00:27:06,458 - Judge tell you not to talk? 615 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,208 Your own decision? 616 00:27:10,875 --> 00:27:12,583 - Who was--whose was it? 617 00:27:13,375 --> 00:27:17,125 - I can only go by what was presented to me, to the jury. 618 00:27:17,208 --> 00:27:19,500 We can only go by what they gave us. 619 00:27:19,583 --> 00:27:21,291 And to be quite honest with you, 620 00:27:21,375 --> 00:27:24,333 I do think I was the last one to vote against him. 621 00:27:24,417 --> 00:27:25,625 [laughs] 622 00:27:25,709 --> 00:27:27,875 - It's over. 623 00:27:28,709 --> 00:27:32,458 You know, Williams is the Atlanta Child Killer. 624 00:27:32,542 --> 00:27:34,000 - Guilty as charged. 625 00:27:34,083 --> 00:27:36,583 Guilty of two of that city's series of killings. 626 00:27:36,667 --> 00:27:38,792 - The sentence, imposed immediately, 627 00:27:38,875 --> 00:27:41,291 "Two consecutive life terms." 628 00:27:41,375 --> 00:27:43,250 - Here. Come here. 629 00:27:43,333 --> 00:27:44,250 Mr. Williams, here. 630 00:27:44,333 --> 00:27:45,625 - Mr. Williams, any thoughts? 631 00:27:45,709 --> 00:27:47,667 - Homer Williams' exit from the courthouse tonight 632 00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:50,500 reflected his fury at what had been done to his son 633 00:27:50,583 --> 00:27:52,000 and to him and his wife. 634 00:27:52,083 --> 00:27:53,667 - Move back. Move back. 635 00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:56,125 [engine revs] 636 00:27:56,208 --> 00:27:58,500 - He's innocent. 637 00:27:58,583 --> 00:28:00,709 Not only do I feel he's innocent, 638 00:28:00,792 --> 00:28:04,750 but if the prosecuting team 639 00:28:04,834 --> 00:28:08,000 had to make one last statement before they die 640 00:28:08,083 --> 00:28:09,834 and that statement would cause them to go 641 00:28:09,917 --> 00:28:13,250 to heaven or hell, they would say he's innocent. 642 00:28:14,250 --> 00:28:16,041 There's no such thing as justice 643 00:28:16,125 --> 00:28:17,834 as far as this case is concerned. 644 00:28:17,917 --> 00:28:21,542 [indistinct chatter] 645 00:28:21,625 --> 00:28:23,250 - When we went into that courtroom, 646 00:28:23,333 --> 00:28:27,041 we were facing a prosecution team 647 00:28:27,125 --> 00:28:29,125 directed, supported, and financed 648 00:28:29,208 --> 00:28:31,000 by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. 649 00:28:34,375 --> 00:28:36,333 They spent about $2 million. 650 00:28:38,959 --> 00:28:41,709 My parents were retired schoolteachers. 651 00:28:41,792 --> 00:28:44,166 I think we gave Mary Welcome $5,000. 652 00:28:44,250 --> 00:28:45,917 After that, we were shot. 653 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,375 How in the world can you tell me 654 00:28:48,458 --> 00:28:49,709 that you've got justice 655 00:28:49,792 --> 00:28:53,000 when a prosecution has this much to work with, 656 00:28:53,083 --> 00:28:54,000 and we have this? 657 00:28:54,083 --> 00:28:55,000 There's no way. 658 00:28:55,083 --> 00:28:57,208 - The FBI was heavily involved in this. 659 00:28:57,291 --> 00:29:00,208 Vice President Bush came to Atlanta 660 00:29:00,291 --> 00:29:01,709 and brought some money. 661 00:29:01,792 --> 00:29:04,333 The Reagan administration was invested 662 00:29:04,417 --> 00:29:06,041 in the outcome of the trial. 663 00:29:06,125 --> 00:29:08,583 [somber music] 664 00:29:08,667 --> 00:29:12,291 - The FBI was pulling the strings. 665 00:29:12,375 --> 00:29:16,333 They orchestrated the entire prosecution. 666 00:29:17,875 --> 00:29:20,542 In the story of David and Goliath, 667 00:29:20,625 --> 00:29:25,458 David had more of an advantage than we did. 668 00:29:25,542 --> 00:29:27,542 He at least had a slingshot. 669 00:29:27,625 --> 00:29:30,250 With the inadequate resources, 670 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:33,041 the inadequate time, um, 671 00:29:33,125 --> 00:29:35,417 there was just no way for Wayne Williams, 672 00:29:35,500 --> 00:29:37,083 or anyone for that matter, 673 00:29:37,166 --> 00:29:39,083 to defend--defend against 674 00:29:39,166 --> 00:29:42,667 12, um, crimes... 675 00:29:42,750 --> 00:29:46,917 The trial had an unbelievable effect on me 676 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,625 that has lasted to this day. 677 00:29:51,333 --> 00:29:55,458 Wayne was not an easy person to love... 678 00:29:55,542 --> 00:29:58,625 but I cared a great deal for him. 679 00:29:58,709 --> 00:30:01,500 And aside from that, I cared a great deal 680 00:30:01,583 --> 00:30:03,959 about the system, 681 00:30:04,041 --> 00:30:07,792 and I was more disappointed with the system 682 00:30:07,875 --> 00:30:10,458 that I think failed him 683 00:30:10,542 --> 00:30:14,959 and that I was a pawn in that system 684 00:30:15,041 --> 00:30:17,959 and felt that way for many years. 685 00:30:18,041 --> 00:30:21,458 Just, "What could I have done differently?" 686 00:30:21,542 --> 00:30:27,041 ♪ ♪ 687 00:30:27,125 --> 00:30:29,959 - When you have all this evidence presented before you, 688 00:30:30,041 --> 00:30:32,959 and it is all leaning 689 00:30:33,041 --> 00:30:36,834 toward guilt... 690 00:30:36,917 --> 00:30:38,709 then what are you supposed to do? 691 00:30:39,750 --> 00:30:42,834 If at any point they could prove that 692 00:30:42,917 --> 00:30:47,166 he was innocent or had no part in it, 693 00:30:47,250 --> 00:30:50,959 then the only thing I could do at that point would be 694 00:30:51,041 --> 00:30:54,875 to ask God for forgiveness for being a part of 695 00:30:54,959 --> 00:30:58,083 sending someone somewhere if he wasn't, um-- 696 00:30:58,166 --> 00:31:00,125 if he wasn't guilty. 697 00:31:00,208 --> 00:31:03,166 That's all I can do for my peace of mind. 698 00:31:03,250 --> 00:31:05,709 - He dropped a body off a bridge. 699 00:31:05,792 --> 00:31:08,875 We had a police recruit there that heard it. 700 00:31:08,959 --> 00:31:10,375 He got arrested. He got convicted. 701 00:31:10,458 --> 00:31:12,208 He's gonna die in prison. 702 00:31:12,291 --> 00:31:14,083 That's a success story. 703 00:31:18,959 --> 00:31:20,917 [indistinct chatter] 704 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,500 - Reporters and photographers and officials 705 00:31:23,583 --> 00:31:25,875 who hadn't been here since Williams was arrested 706 00:31:25,959 --> 00:31:28,041 came together one last time. 707 00:31:28,125 --> 00:31:31,125 - With the conviction of Wayne Williams, 708 00:31:31,208 --> 00:31:32,709 we have reviewed all of the evidence 709 00:31:32,792 --> 00:31:35,041 that's present today, and as a result, 710 00:31:35,125 --> 00:31:37,542 we've cleared 23 cases. 711 00:31:37,625 --> 00:31:40,166 Effective one week from today, 712 00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:43,834 we will officially close down the task force operations. 713 00:31:43,917 --> 00:31:45,041 The decision that was made today 714 00:31:45,125 --> 00:31:46,166 is based on the evidence. 715 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:48,709 The evidence allowed us to do what we've done. 716 00:31:48,792 --> 00:31:52,667 - Almost overnight the 23 cases are boxed up, 717 00:31:52,750 --> 00:31:55,875 closed out with these kids, and it's like Wayne did them. 718 00:31:55,959 --> 00:31:59,291 And to me, that is shockingly negligent. 719 00:31:59,375 --> 00:32:03,625 I think the pressures were so extreme 720 00:32:03,709 --> 00:32:07,625 that once Atlanta was provided an out, 721 00:32:07,709 --> 00:32:09,041 they took it. 722 00:32:09,125 --> 00:32:11,083 - Will Williams be charged with any of 723 00:32:11,166 --> 00:32:13,667 the additional murders with which he has been linked? 724 00:32:13,750 --> 00:32:15,583 District Attorney Lewis Slayton. 725 00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:18,750 - We don't have any present plans of bringing any 726 00:32:18,834 --> 00:32:21,083 further indictments in Fulton County. 727 00:32:21,166 --> 00:32:23,375 - Commissioner Brown denied that any murders 728 00:32:23,458 --> 00:32:26,375 attributed to Williams are being swept under the rug. 729 00:32:26,458 --> 00:32:29,291 He said the attribution is based on evidence. 730 00:32:31,208 --> 00:32:34,041 - After they locked up Wayne Williams, 731 00:32:34,125 --> 00:32:36,250 city officials didn't want to have nothing 732 00:32:36,333 --> 00:32:38,375 to say to us anymore. 733 00:32:38,458 --> 00:32:40,250 The case is closed, and that's it. 734 00:32:40,333 --> 00:32:41,667 And there it is. 735 00:32:41,750 --> 00:32:43,125 They didn't want to hear anything 736 00:32:43,208 --> 00:32:44,792 the parents had to say. 737 00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:46,792 - The mother of victim Yusuf Bell 738 00:32:46,875 --> 00:32:48,917 was very disappointed with the outcome. 739 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,291 - Some people might say this is just sour grapes 740 00:32:51,375 --> 00:32:54,625 because they never have solved your son's death. 741 00:32:54,709 --> 00:32:58,458 - Um, if I believe that Wayne Williams killed 742 00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:01,125 the other 12 that they claim-- 743 00:33:01,208 --> 00:33:03,792 the same fibers that were found on those bodies 744 00:33:03,875 --> 00:33:06,291 were also found on Yusuf's body--then I must 745 00:33:06,375 --> 00:33:08,500 believe that Wayne Williams killed my son. 746 00:33:08,583 --> 00:33:12,834 But since I don't believe that Wayne Williams killed anybody, 747 00:33:12,917 --> 00:33:15,125 I can't believe that Wayne Williams 748 00:33:15,208 --> 00:33:16,625 therefore killed my son. 749 00:33:16,709 --> 00:33:21,166 What it all boils down to is now we have Wayne Williams, 23, 750 00:33:21,250 --> 00:33:23,667 the 30th victim of the Atlanta slaying. 751 00:33:23,750 --> 00:33:26,709 [dramatic music] 752 00:33:26,792 --> 00:33:33,792 ♪ ♪ 753 00:33:44,250 --> 00:33:47,208 - The disappointment when Wayne Williams was tried 754 00:33:47,291 --> 00:33:49,667 for the murder of these two men was deep 755 00:33:49,750 --> 00:33:50,792 in the black community. 756 00:33:50,875 --> 00:33:54,208 Very deep, because there's still no answer 757 00:33:54,291 --> 00:33:58,125 to who killed--who kidnapped and killed these children. 758 00:33:58,208 --> 00:34:02,166 And...the public officials 759 00:34:02,250 --> 00:34:03,500 were saying, "It's done. 760 00:34:03,583 --> 00:34:05,000 We have him. It's over." 761 00:34:05,083 --> 00:34:07,333 - The disbanding of the special task force is 762 00:34:07,417 --> 00:34:08,542 the clearest indication that 763 00:34:08,625 --> 00:34:10,542 as far as law enforcement is concerned, 764 00:34:10,625 --> 00:34:12,750 the Atlanta tragedy is over. 765 00:34:12,834 --> 00:34:15,250 Former Atlanta Mayor Maynard Jackson said 766 00:34:15,333 --> 00:34:17,208 his city was stronger now. 767 00:34:17,291 --> 00:34:20,542 - We trust now that matter is behind us. 768 00:34:20,625 --> 00:34:27,542 ♪ ♪ 769 00:34:27,625 --> 00:34:30,834 - They wanted the world to feel like it was over with. 770 00:34:32,250 --> 00:34:33,667 You want to feel safe like, 771 00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:36,542 "Okay, they got the man who did all these killings, 772 00:34:36,625 --> 00:34:38,959 and now the world is all right now." 773 00:34:39,041 --> 00:34:40,250 You know, you want to feel like that, 774 00:34:40,333 --> 00:34:42,000 but, you know, that's just impossible. 775 00:34:42,083 --> 00:34:46,417 ♪ ♪ 776 00:34:46,500 --> 00:34:49,500 [traffic rumbling] 777 00:35:00,291 --> 00:35:02,041 - After he got sentenced, 778 00:35:02,125 --> 00:35:04,250 Wayne called me, 779 00:35:04,333 --> 00:35:06,041 and I went to the jail. 780 00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:07,917 And we talked about the trial, 781 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,917 and--and I knew it was gonna involve a lot, 782 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:14,583 you know, of my time, my effort, 783 00:35:14,667 --> 00:35:19,000 but I think this has been a part of my calling. 784 00:35:20,208 --> 00:35:21,792 Looking back on it, 785 00:35:21,875 --> 00:35:24,333 I wonder how I'm still standing. 786 00:35:24,417 --> 00:35:27,291 [melancholy music] 787 00:35:27,375 --> 00:35:28,583 ♪ ♪ 788 00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:30,000 This is my war room. 789 00:35:30,083 --> 00:35:34,458 ♪ ♪ 790 00:35:34,542 --> 00:35:39,417 I had to designate a room for Wayne Williams' appeal. 791 00:35:39,500 --> 00:35:43,750 This here is all stuff about Wayne. 792 00:35:44,792 --> 00:35:47,333 We got the trial transcripts. 793 00:35:47,417 --> 00:35:50,125 ♪ ♪ 794 00:35:50,208 --> 00:35:51,709 That's some of it there too. 795 00:35:53,041 --> 00:35:57,500 And all that over there and then all of this over here. 796 00:35:57,583 --> 00:36:00,250 ♪ ♪ 797 00:36:00,333 --> 00:36:04,250 It took us a year to get the appeal ready. 798 00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:06,917 ♪ ♪ 799 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:10,959 In '83, we took it to the Georgia Supreme Court. 800 00:36:11,041 --> 00:36:14,458 It was the longest brief ever filed 801 00:36:14,542 --> 00:36:15,959 in appeals court. 802 00:36:16,041 --> 00:36:17,625 [dramatic music] 803 00:36:17,709 --> 00:36:21,625 We took up 33 points of error in the trial. 804 00:36:21,709 --> 00:36:25,417 The big part of that was the witnesses. 805 00:36:26,458 --> 00:36:29,166 - The prosecution tried to go out and find 806 00:36:29,250 --> 00:36:31,500 any of these witnesses they could to say, 807 00:36:31,583 --> 00:36:33,834 "Well, we need you to say this about Wayne Williams," 808 00:36:33,917 --> 00:36:35,333 or "You need to say that." 809 00:36:35,417 --> 00:36:37,333 ♪ ♪ 810 00:36:37,417 --> 00:36:39,291 - During the trial, the prosecutors came up 811 00:36:39,375 --> 00:36:41,542 with some pretty damning witnesses. 812 00:36:41,625 --> 00:36:44,709 But later on, information came out, 813 00:36:44,792 --> 00:36:47,875 and you realize almost every key witness 814 00:36:47,959 --> 00:36:50,625 against Wayne Williams either committed perjury 815 00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:53,083 or gave misleading testimony. 816 00:36:53,166 --> 00:36:55,834 - Davis and Ruth Warren had both earlier 817 00:36:55,917 --> 00:36:58,375 given police descriptions notably differing 818 00:36:58,458 --> 00:37:00,875 from their trial testimony. 819 00:37:00,959 --> 00:37:04,500 - Ruth Warren testified on the Lubie Geter case, 820 00:37:04,583 --> 00:37:07,875 but the person that she identified to police 821 00:37:07,959 --> 00:37:12,417 had a scar "like lightning"-- that's how she described it-- 822 00:37:12,500 --> 00:37:14,250 down his face. 823 00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:15,750 - Wayne did not have this 824 00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:17,875 lightning-type scar on his face. 825 00:37:17,959 --> 00:37:20,000 - In a brief conversation on her front porch, 826 00:37:20,083 --> 00:37:21,917 she made the puzzling statement, 827 00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:24,583 "I'd never seen Wayne Williams before in my life 828 00:37:24,667 --> 00:37:26,875 until I saw him in that courtroom." 829 00:37:26,959 --> 00:37:29,750 - Another witness, Robert Henry, 830 00:37:29,834 --> 00:37:31,917 who testified that he saw Wayne holding 831 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,583 Nathaniel Cater's hand, later recanted. 832 00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:36,917 - Henry now declares that he insisted 833 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,917 to interrogating officers, quote, 834 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,583 "If my life depended on it, 835 00:37:40,667 --> 00:37:42,917 "I could not say the man I saw with Cater 836 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:44,750 was Wayne Williams." 837 00:37:44,834 --> 00:37:48,041 But says Henry, quote, "I was told I had to testify 838 00:37:48,125 --> 00:37:51,166 I was positive in naming the person as Williams." 839 00:37:52,208 --> 00:37:54,208 - Bobby Toland, an ambulance driver, 840 00:37:54,291 --> 00:37:56,250 told the jury that Williams didn't like poor people. 841 00:37:56,333 --> 00:37:58,083 Toland gave the jury a motive. 842 00:37:58,166 --> 00:38:00,583 - It was discovered that Bobby Toland, 843 00:38:00,667 --> 00:38:02,542 who testified to the motive... 844 00:38:02,625 --> 00:38:06,542 - Williams despised, quote, "lower class blacks." 845 00:38:06,625 --> 00:38:11,083 - Had said earlier that he hated that Williams kid, 846 00:38:11,166 --> 00:38:14,458 that Bobby Toland wanted the reward money. 847 00:38:14,542 --> 00:38:16,959 - This guy testified, it turns out, 848 00:38:17,041 --> 00:38:18,375 under a fake name. 849 00:38:18,458 --> 00:38:20,166 His real name was Williams. 850 00:38:21,625 --> 00:38:25,583 - This was an utterly unreliable witness. 851 00:38:25,667 --> 00:38:29,125 Bias, motive to lie, prior conduct 852 00:38:29,208 --> 00:38:31,291 that put his own interests above those of society, 853 00:38:31,375 --> 00:38:32,458 hatred of the defendant. 854 00:38:32,542 --> 00:38:33,458 I mean, everything! 855 00:38:33,542 --> 00:38:35,625 He was sort of a classic ball of impeachment 856 00:38:35,709 --> 00:38:37,250 all wrapped into one, 857 00:38:37,333 --> 00:38:40,417 but none of that information was provided to the defense. 858 00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,125 - And the kicker is that Bobby Toland 859 00:38:43,208 --> 00:38:44,375 was a member of the Klan. 860 00:38:44,458 --> 00:38:46,750 - He said that he was a member of Klan, 861 00:38:46,834 --> 00:38:49,125 but Bobby said a lot of things. 862 00:38:49,208 --> 00:38:50,625 I do know for a fact 863 00:38:50,709 --> 00:38:54,917 that Wayne Williams did not make that statement. 864 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,959 [suspenseful music] 865 00:38:58,041 --> 00:39:00,041 ♪ ♪ 866 00:39:00,125 --> 00:39:01,333 I know for a fact 867 00:39:01,417 --> 00:39:04,291 that Bobby Toland did make that statement. 868 00:39:04,375 --> 00:39:07,542 - So this critical testimony that was given at the trial 869 00:39:07,625 --> 00:39:09,792 was in fact a lie? 870 00:39:11,291 --> 00:39:12,291 - Yes. 871 00:39:13,458 --> 00:39:14,917 No doubt about it. 872 00:39:15,417 --> 00:39:18,333 - They lied to make this story make sense. 873 00:39:18,417 --> 00:39:20,333 You know, they say the thing about a lie is that 874 00:39:20,417 --> 00:39:21,542 once you tell one lie, 875 00:39:21,625 --> 00:39:23,291 you have to tell another one to cover that one 876 00:39:23,375 --> 00:39:24,625 and another one to cover that one. 877 00:39:25,917 --> 00:39:27,875 For example, the dog hairs. 878 00:39:27,959 --> 00:39:31,542 If you look at the FBI files before Wayne Williams' arrest, 879 00:39:31,625 --> 00:39:34,834 they all say these dog hairs we're finding on these victims 880 00:39:34,917 --> 00:39:37,166 are white with a tip. 881 00:39:37,250 --> 00:39:40,875 They said the hairs are from an Alaskan Malamute 882 00:39:40,959 --> 00:39:43,291 or a Siberian Husky, 883 00:39:43,375 --> 00:39:45,041 to the exclusion of all other dogs. 884 00:39:45,125 --> 00:39:46,875 [foreboding music] 885 00:39:46,959 --> 00:39:48,375 Now, Wayne had a German Shepherd 886 00:39:48,458 --> 00:39:51,375 that was brown, very little white hair. 887 00:39:51,458 --> 00:39:54,500 Once Wayne becomes a suspect, 888 00:39:54,583 --> 00:39:56,417 all of a sudden they're saying, "Well, we're finding 889 00:39:56,500 --> 00:39:58,709 German Shepherd hairs on these victims." 890 00:39:58,792 --> 00:40:00,709 ♪ ♪ 891 00:40:00,792 --> 00:40:02,542 And they start putting in their files 892 00:40:02,625 --> 00:40:05,125 that these hairs are now white or brown. 893 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,041 That really stuck out. 894 00:40:08,125 --> 00:40:09,917 - The trial of Wayne Williams 895 00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,542 marked one of the first times that tiny fibers 896 00:40:12,625 --> 00:40:14,834 were the key evidence in a major murder case. 897 00:40:14,917 --> 00:40:16,875 - Lawyers for convicted murderer Wayne Williams 898 00:40:16,959 --> 00:40:19,834 charged the prosecution used unreliable fiber evidence 899 00:40:19,917 --> 00:40:23,542 and unfairly characterized Williams as a mass murderer. 900 00:40:25,166 --> 00:40:27,750 - The state focused on this green, 901 00:40:27,834 --> 00:40:30,208 trilobal carpet fiber 902 00:40:30,291 --> 00:40:32,750 made by the Wellman company 903 00:40:32,834 --> 00:40:36,458 and tried to say that that fiber was very unique. 904 00:40:36,542 --> 00:40:39,458 [dramatic music] 905 00:40:39,542 --> 00:40:41,750 ♪ ♪ 906 00:40:41,834 --> 00:40:45,583 - They blow up these enormous pictures of the carpet fibers, 907 00:40:45,667 --> 00:40:47,542 blown up, like, a hundred times or whatever. 908 00:40:47,625 --> 00:40:50,417 ♪ ♪ 909 00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:51,917 You know, the jury's looking at all this. 910 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:53,834 "Wow, they must really know their stuff." 911 00:40:55,166 --> 00:40:56,417 The prosecution claimed that 912 00:40:56,500 --> 00:40:59,083 the fiber in Wayne's carpet was rare. 913 00:40:59,166 --> 00:41:01,458 But in fact, they were only able to get 914 00:41:01,542 --> 00:41:03,333 partial sales records for the fiber 915 00:41:03,417 --> 00:41:06,542 that went into that carpet and the carpet itself. 916 00:41:07,542 --> 00:41:11,083 In other words, they had no way to account at all. 917 00:41:11,166 --> 00:41:14,667 So what the FBI did was just basically, you know, 918 00:41:14,750 --> 00:41:19,000 "Well, we can assume this much carpet was made." 919 00:41:19,083 --> 00:41:21,417 But you can't assume that if you don't have the records. 920 00:41:21,500 --> 00:41:22,959 It was all fake math, 921 00:41:23,041 --> 00:41:24,291 mathematical possibilities 922 00:41:24,375 --> 00:41:27,458 that could not possibly be justified. 923 00:41:27,542 --> 00:41:30,333 And they presented it to the jury as hard fact. 924 00:41:33,375 --> 00:41:37,500 - One problem was the word "consistent with." 925 00:41:37,583 --> 00:41:40,500 For example, if a murder was committed, 926 00:41:40,583 --> 00:41:42,834 and the killer was described 927 00:41:42,917 --> 00:41:46,917 as an older white male with gray hair, 928 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:51,417 that description is consistent with me. 929 00:41:52,583 --> 00:41:56,000 But what you need to know is, how many 930 00:41:56,083 --> 00:41:59,709 old, white, gray-haired guys are there? 931 00:41:59,792 --> 00:42:04,000 And if there's just one, me, that's pretty powerful. 932 00:42:04,083 --> 00:42:05,959 On the other hand, if there are, 933 00:42:06,041 --> 00:42:08,667 for example, millions... 934 00:42:08,750 --> 00:42:11,542 all that means is I can't be excluded. 935 00:42:11,625 --> 00:42:13,917 I could be one of the millions of people 936 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:15,792 who could have committed this crime. 937 00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:19,875 And so it was with almost all of the fiber evidence. 938 00:42:19,959 --> 00:42:22,125 Without some sort of database 939 00:42:22,208 --> 00:42:24,500 that showed their distribution 940 00:42:24,583 --> 00:42:28,375 and their likelihood of proximity to each other 941 00:42:28,458 --> 00:42:30,542 and their overall commonality, 942 00:42:30,625 --> 00:42:32,333 it was just junk science. 943 00:42:32,417 --> 00:42:34,709 [tense music] 944 00:42:34,792 --> 00:42:38,542 - Basically, the experts overstated... 945 00:42:38,625 --> 00:42:41,500 overstated their opinions. 946 00:42:41,583 --> 00:42:48,583 ♪ ♪ 947 00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:52,041 - Some people are just gonna have doubts 948 00:42:52,125 --> 00:42:54,667 no matter--no matter what the evidence indicates. 949 00:42:55,875 --> 00:42:57,250 We look at a lot of fibers. 950 00:42:57,333 --> 00:42:59,083 For the rest of my career, 951 00:42:59,166 --> 00:43:03,291 I never saw a Wellman 181B fiber of any color. 952 00:43:04,291 --> 00:43:06,542 And no other forensic scientist I'm aware of 953 00:43:06,625 --> 00:43:10,583 in any other case ever saw a Wellman 181B fiber. 954 00:43:10,667 --> 00:43:17,667 ♪ ♪ 955 00:43:25,375 --> 00:43:28,959 - The Supreme Court only gets six months 956 00:43:29,041 --> 00:43:31,000 to decide these cases. 957 00:43:32,667 --> 00:43:35,375 And it was getting long, you know. 958 00:43:35,458 --> 00:43:38,709 The six months was coming up on us fast, 959 00:43:38,792 --> 00:43:40,625 and they hadn't ruled 960 00:43:40,709 --> 00:43:44,458 and ended up ruling on the last day. 961 00:43:45,875 --> 00:43:48,625 - The court affirmed Wayne Williams' conviction. 962 00:43:48,709 --> 00:43:51,792 ♪ ♪ 963 00:43:51,875 --> 00:43:55,166 And Georgia's Supreme Court Justice George Smith 964 00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:59,709 wrote an extremely powerful and detailed dissent. 965 00:44:01,542 --> 00:44:05,166 - I did not think he received a fair and impartial trial. 966 00:44:06,500 --> 00:44:08,583 I felt like legally there was more wrong with it 967 00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:10,417 than there was right. 968 00:44:10,500 --> 00:44:12,625 But when you're one out of seven 969 00:44:12,709 --> 00:44:14,959 and the other six go the other way... 970 00:44:15,041 --> 00:44:17,208 30 pages doesn't have much to do with it. 971 00:44:20,166 --> 00:44:24,625 - About two weeks after the appeal was denied, 972 00:44:24,709 --> 00:44:27,500 I heard from George T. Smith. 973 00:44:27,583 --> 00:44:30,500 A Supreme Court justice is calling me? 974 00:44:30,583 --> 00:44:31,792 That doesn't happen. 975 00:44:33,125 --> 00:44:36,458 He said, at first, the Georgia Supreme Court 976 00:44:36,542 --> 00:44:40,542 decided to reverse, to overturn this case 977 00:44:40,625 --> 00:44:42,083 for a new trial, 978 00:44:42,166 --> 00:44:45,041 but then there was a phone call, 979 00:44:45,125 --> 00:44:47,625 and the other justices turned. 980 00:44:49,417 --> 00:44:53,500 And they upheld the conviction because of that phone call. 981 00:44:53,583 --> 00:44:55,333 [dramatic music] 982 00:44:55,417 --> 00:44:59,959 If I had to hypothetically say who made that call, 983 00:45:00,041 --> 00:45:02,667 it was either the governor 984 00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:06,333 or the president... 985 00:45:06,417 --> 00:45:09,041 or Bush, who was vice president. 986 00:45:09,125 --> 00:45:11,125 ♪ ♪ 987 00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:15,500 I'm convinced there was somebody interfering 988 00:45:15,583 --> 00:45:17,792 in the decision-making process 989 00:45:17,875 --> 00:45:20,166 by the Georgia Supreme Court. 990 00:45:20,250 --> 00:45:22,875 ♪ ♪ 991 00:45:22,959 --> 00:45:27,083 And Smith felt compelled to say something, you know. 992 00:45:28,500 --> 00:45:29,709 - I would have given him a new trial then. 993 00:45:29,792 --> 00:45:30,959 I'd give him a new trial now. 994 00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:34,583 I did what I thought was right. 995 00:45:34,667 --> 00:45:37,041 I did what I thought should have been done, 996 00:45:37,125 --> 00:45:38,375 and that was it. 997 00:45:38,458 --> 00:45:41,917 But I was not applauded for my stand. 998 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:43,000 I'll tell you that. 999 00:45:44,291 --> 00:45:47,208 [melancholy music] 1000 00:45:47,291 --> 00:45:52,166 ♪ ♪ 1001 00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:54,625 - After all that... 1002 00:45:54,709 --> 00:45:57,083 [sighs] 1003 00:45:57,166 --> 00:45:59,583 Well... 1004 00:45:59,667 --> 00:46:02,208 I didn't feel good about the legal system, 1005 00:46:02,291 --> 00:46:06,709 but I just kept chugging along. 1006 00:46:06,792 --> 00:46:10,542 The turning point of the case was when 1007 00:46:10,625 --> 00:46:13,917 we learned there was overwhelming evidence 1008 00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,625 not being shared with the defense team. 1009 00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:23,083 ♪ ♪ 1010 00:46:23,166 --> 00:46:25,417 - Which way? - Over there, sir. 1011 00:46:25,500 --> 00:46:27,917 [indistinct speech over PA] 1012 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,250 - Pleasure. You sit over here. 1013 00:46:30,333 --> 00:46:33,417 [indistinct chatter] 1014 00:46:33,500 --> 00:46:37,458 - I'm convinced if the jurors had known 1015 00:46:37,542 --> 00:46:39,333 what we discovered, 1016 00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:41,959 they never could have found him guilty. 1017 00:46:42,041 --> 00:46:46,125 When 28 young adults have been murdered, 1018 00:46:46,208 --> 00:46:48,458 and those cases have been closed, 1019 00:46:48,542 --> 00:46:49,792 it's incredible. 1020 00:46:49,875 --> 00:46:51,834 We are not gonna get to the root of murder 1021 00:46:51,917 --> 00:46:54,125 and why people are murdering 1022 00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:57,667 if we're gonna close murder files. 1023 00:46:59,083 --> 00:47:00,458 It's unheard of. 1024 00:47:00,542 --> 00:47:02,625 The public needs to know certain information. 1025 00:47:02,709 --> 00:47:05,125 - Could you elaborate on the eyewitness? 1026 00:47:05,208 --> 00:47:07,083 You said in your statement you had an eyewitness 1027 00:47:07,166 --> 00:47:08,250 to one of the murders. 1028 00:47:08,333 --> 00:47:10,875 - S--um, sure, we can. 1029 00:47:10,959 --> 00:47:13,667 Okay, Clifford Jones was found in a washerette. 1030 00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:16,166 They're talking about-- and a witness states that 1031 00:47:16,250 --> 00:47:18,875 he observed "X" person kill a little boy 1032 00:47:18,959 --> 00:47:20,291 with a rope around his neck. 1033 00:47:20,375 --> 00:47:22,333 In the Clifford Jones case, this is information 1034 00:47:22,417 --> 00:47:23,834 that will be made available to you. 1035 00:47:23,917 --> 00:47:26,166 - That file was released to Channel 2 News 1036 00:47:26,250 --> 00:47:27,458 under a court order today. 1037 00:47:27,542 --> 00:47:29,208 Bob Sirkin reports on the contents 1038 00:47:29,291 --> 00:47:30,500 of the Clifford Jones file. 1039 00:47:30,583 --> 00:47:33,208 - The three-inch, 400-page investigative file 1040 00:47:33,291 --> 00:47:36,333 contains evidence and statements by witnesses 1041 00:47:36,417 --> 00:47:38,417 given to police and the FBI 1042 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:40,291 about the murder of Clifford Jones, 1043 00:47:40,375 --> 00:47:43,792 reportedly inside this northwest Atlanta laundromat 1044 00:47:43,875 --> 00:47:46,041 on August 20, 1980. 1045 00:47:46,125 --> 00:47:48,959 Eyewitnesses told police of seeing a suspect carrying... 1046 00:47:49,041 --> 00:47:52,208 Around 1986, I was reporting 1047 00:47:52,291 --> 00:47:54,959 about the Clifford Jones case 1048 00:47:55,041 --> 00:47:58,208 in which there was new exculpatory evidence 1049 00:47:58,291 --> 00:47:59,542 in Wayne Williams' favor. 1050 00:47:59,625 --> 00:48:03,083 The lead detective, Sidney Dorsey, 1051 00:48:03,166 --> 00:48:07,542 came to me and said that Clifford Jones was murdered 1052 00:48:07,625 --> 00:48:10,542 by another suspect other than Wayne Williams. 1053 00:48:10,625 --> 00:48:12,208 ♪ ♪ 1054 00:48:12,291 --> 00:48:14,917 - I heard that the Clifford Jones case 1055 00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:17,875 had been closed along with the other cases, 1056 00:48:17,959 --> 00:48:20,041 and that's when I said, "Wait a minute. 1057 00:48:20,125 --> 00:48:22,208 "I don't think that's right, 1058 00:48:22,291 --> 00:48:26,083 "because here's a guy that I have every reason 1059 00:48:26,166 --> 00:48:29,583 to believe was responsible for this kid's death." 1060 00:48:29,667 --> 00:48:31,458 - James Edward Brooks, 1061 00:48:31,542 --> 00:48:34,875 a 36-year-old homosexual convicted felon, 1062 00:48:34,959 --> 00:48:36,667 was identified by witnesses 1063 00:48:36,750 --> 00:48:39,625 as killing or disposing of Clifford Jones. 1064 00:48:39,709 --> 00:48:42,458 Jamie Brooks was a known sex offender. 1065 00:48:42,542 --> 00:48:46,834 He actually admitted to having sex with young boys, 1066 00:48:46,917 --> 00:48:50,250 and he had a criminal background. 1067 00:48:50,333 --> 00:48:52,959 One eyewitness told police of seeing a man 1068 00:48:53,041 --> 00:48:56,709 sexually attack Clifford Jones inside this laundromat. 1069 00:48:56,792 --> 00:48:59,083 Fred Cosby, then a 19-year-old 1070 00:48:59,166 --> 00:49:00,417 high school student, 1071 00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:03,750 claimed to have witnessed the murder of Clifford Jones. 1072 00:49:03,834 --> 00:49:07,542 - We had eyewitness testimony from an individual 1073 00:49:07,625 --> 00:49:10,750 who gave graphic details 1074 00:49:10,834 --> 00:49:13,125 of what took place in the laundromat. 1075 00:49:13,208 --> 00:49:16,959 [sinister music] 1076 00:49:17,041 --> 00:49:20,083 - Jamie Brooks and Calvin Smith 1077 00:49:20,166 --> 00:49:21,375 sexually assaulted him. 1078 00:49:21,458 --> 00:49:28,250 ♪ ♪ 1079 00:49:28,333 --> 00:49:29,792 Cosby's statement, quote, 1080 00:49:29,875 --> 00:49:32,667 "When the little boy started crying real loud, 1081 00:49:32,750 --> 00:49:35,500 "Jamie put a rope around the little boy's neck 1082 00:49:35,583 --> 00:49:37,083 and pulled on the rope." 1083 00:49:37,166 --> 00:49:39,083 ♪ ♪ 1084 00:49:39,166 --> 00:49:42,208 - He had bruises all up and down his neck. 1085 00:49:43,875 --> 00:49:45,959 You can see where it choked him so bad. 1086 00:49:46,041 --> 00:49:50,208 It just like the rope was just rubbing up and down his neck. 1087 00:49:51,834 --> 00:49:54,458 - The witness sounded extremely credible 1088 00:49:54,542 --> 00:49:57,458 'cause he was giving details of a murder that he had witnessed. 1089 00:49:57,542 --> 00:49:59,125 And of course, it seemed all we needed 1090 00:49:59,208 --> 00:50:00,625 is a search warrant 1091 00:50:00,709 --> 00:50:01,917 and find the evidence. 1092 00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:03,333 [ominous music] 1093 00:50:03,417 --> 00:50:06,041 And there was nothing there. 1094 00:50:06,125 --> 00:50:09,500 It ended up Jamie looked like a good suspect, 1095 00:50:09,583 --> 00:50:12,417 but there was no evidence Jamie had done it, 1096 00:50:12,500 --> 00:50:14,333 and the person that was an eyewitness 1097 00:50:14,417 --> 00:50:15,834 was less than credible. 1098 00:50:15,917 --> 00:50:19,291 - Because Fred Cosby was deemed a slow thinker 1099 00:50:19,375 --> 00:50:21,834 by police, bosses, and prosecutors, 1100 00:50:21,917 --> 00:50:24,917 Cosby's statement against Brooks was discounted. 1101 00:50:26,583 --> 00:50:30,208 - This boy was able to describe 1102 00:50:30,291 --> 00:50:33,625 every piece of clothes, 1103 00:50:33,709 --> 00:50:36,542 socks, the stripes in his shirt. 1104 00:50:36,625 --> 00:50:38,333 That's a good witness. 1105 00:50:38,417 --> 00:50:43,000 - Even though the police deemed him as being "slow," 1106 00:50:43,083 --> 00:50:45,667 I thought that he was very credible, 1107 00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:49,083 and he was not the only witness. 1108 00:50:49,166 --> 00:50:51,875 - People who lived behind the laundromat 1109 00:50:51,959 --> 00:50:57,458 saw someone lying an object down out near a dumpster. 1110 00:50:57,542 --> 00:51:02,083 And then the body of Clifford Jones was found there. 1111 00:51:02,166 --> 00:51:04,500 - The person carrying that plastic bag 1112 00:51:04,583 --> 00:51:06,542 containing Clifford Jones' body, 1113 00:51:06,625 --> 00:51:08,000 look like Wayne Williams? 1114 00:51:08,083 --> 00:51:10,041 - No, he didn't look like Wayne Williams to me 1115 00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:12,417 'cause he looked just like Jamie. 1116 00:51:12,500 --> 00:51:16,208 - I would have arrested Jamie Brooks, 1117 00:51:16,291 --> 00:51:18,375 but the city fathers at that time 1118 00:51:18,458 --> 00:51:20,375 of the task force hierarchy 1119 00:51:20,458 --> 00:51:23,250 apparently ruled him out as a suspect 1120 00:51:23,333 --> 00:51:25,375 when Wayne Williams was arrested. 1121 00:51:25,458 --> 00:51:27,166 That really bothered me. 1122 00:51:28,834 --> 00:51:31,625 - What would you like to see done with this case? 1123 00:51:31,709 --> 00:51:33,250 What should be done with it? 1124 00:51:33,333 --> 00:51:34,750 - I'd like to see it reopened. 1125 00:51:34,834 --> 00:51:36,542 I think the investigation 1126 00:51:36,625 --> 00:51:38,959 should pick up where it left off. 1127 00:51:39,041 --> 00:51:42,458 - After Sidney Dorsey did an interview with me, 1128 00:51:42,542 --> 00:51:45,458 he was demoted to the rank of lieutenant 1129 00:51:45,542 --> 00:51:49,583 for his public remarks about the case. 1130 00:51:49,667 --> 00:51:52,250 Reopening the Jones case could disprove 1131 00:51:52,333 --> 00:51:55,750 the 23 other murder cases blamed on Wayne Williams, 1132 00:51:55,834 --> 00:51:59,250 all linked by the same fiber evidence. 1133 00:51:59,333 --> 00:52:04,250 - The green trilobal fiber was on the two charged cases, 1134 00:52:04,333 --> 00:52:06,875 plus ten pattern cases. 1135 00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:14,250 It showed up again in the case of Clifford Jones, 1136 00:52:14,333 --> 00:52:17,542 which was not one of those pattern cases. 1137 00:52:19,667 --> 00:52:21,917 - The state did not include Clifford Jones 1138 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,667 in its pattern cases because the eyewitness accounts 1139 00:52:26,750 --> 00:52:30,041 named a killer other than Wayne Williams. 1140 00:52:31,875 --> 00:52:34,166 In addition, the prosecution alleged 1141 00:52:34,250 --> 00:52:38,417 that this green trilobal fiber could only have come 1142 00:52:38,500 --> 00:52:42,500 from the carpeting in Wayne Williams' home. 1143 00:52:42,583 --> 00:52:44,083 But in the Clifford Jones case, 1144 00:52:44,166 --> 00:52:47,250 who is to say that that fiber 1145 00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:50,333 didn't land on Clifford Jones' body 1146 00:52:50,417 --> 00:52:55,166 in the laundromat in which he was killed? 1147 00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:58,166 It calls into question the uniqueness 1148 00:52:58,250 --> 00:53:00,375 of the green trilobal fiber, 1149 00:53:00,458 --> 00:53:05,166 so the Clifford Jones case demolishes the state's case. 1150 00:53:05,250 --> 00:53:08,208 [dramatic music] 1151 00:53:08,291 --> 00:53:11,166 - They made over 100 different matches 1152 00:53:11,250 --> 00:53:14,375 to environments that Wayne was in. 1153 00:53:14,458 --> 00:53:16,333 I think the hair and fiber evidence is good. 1154 00:53:16,417 --> 00:53:18,041 It links him to the crime scene. 1155 00:53:18,125 --> 00:53:21,875 So, I mean, Bob Sirkin can have his opinion. 1156 00:53:21,959 --> 00:53:23,834 I happen to be the one that was there, 1157 00:53:23,917 --> 00:53:25,458 and I have my opinion. 1158 00:53:25,542 --> 00:53:31,542 ♪ ♪ 1159 00:53:33,250 --> 00:53:35,709 - Throughout two searches of the house, 1160 00:53:35,792 --> 00:53:37,375 20 hours of searching my car, 1161 00:53:37,458 --> 00:53:41,375 not one fiber from any victim, 1162 00:53:41,458 --> 00:53:43,000 their clothing, or their environment, 1163 00:53:43,083 --> 00:53:46,500 was ever found in my house. 1164 00:53:46,583 --> 00:53:49,208 Not only did they not find fibers in my house, 1165 00:53:49,291 --> 00:53:50,875 no fingerprints were found, 1166 00:53:50,959 --> 00:53:53,208 nothing indicating a struggle or anything. 1167 00:53:53,291 --> 00:53:57,000 No--you know, it's just preposterous. 1168 00:53:57,083 --> 00:53:58,750 If you've got eyewitnesses that say, 1169 00:53:58,834 --> 00:54:01,208 "I saw so and so kill somebody," 1170 00:54:01,291 --> 00:54:03,208 they need to be in jail. 1171 00:54:03,291 --> 00:54:05,875 So why am I here? 1172 00:54:05,959 --> 00:54:08,250 - They know Wayne Williams did not kill him. 1173 00:54:08,333 --> 00:54:11,583 They know that. 1174 00:54:11,667 --> 00:54:14,417 Jamie Brooks and Calvin Smith. 1175 00:54:14,500 --> 00:54:18,375 That's who I think did it. 1176 00:54:18,458 --> 00:54:19,750 - We found out about Jamie Brooks 1177 00:54:19,834 --> 00:54:22,208 after Jamie Brooks was--died in jail. 1178 00:54:22,291 --> 00:54:24,125 They didn't tell us about Jamie Brooks 1179 00:54:24,208 --> 00:54:27,291 at the time Clifford was murdered. 1180 00:54:27,375 --> 00:54:30,333 We didn't find out about Jamie Brooks until years later. 1181 00:54:31,417 --> 00:54:33,333 - Authorities blamed Clifford Jones' murder 1182 00:54:33,417 --> 00:54:36,834 not on Jamie Brooks, but on Wayne Williams. 1183 00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:40,542 - Parents of 13 missing and murdered victims 1184 00:54:40,625 --> 00:54:43,625 have confronted Public Safety Commissioner George Napper. 1185 00:54:43,709 --> 00:54:45,750 The parents are threatening to sue Napper 1186 00:54:45,834 --> 00:54:47,291 and other city officials. 1187 00:54:47,375 --> 00:54:49,583 They charge police with covering up the facts 1188 00:54:49,667 --> 00:54:52,625 behind 24 murders blamed on Wayne Williams. 1189 00:54:52,709 --> 00:54:54,083 Here's Bob Sirkin. 1190 00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:55,458 - The parents of 13 1191 00:54:55,542 --> 00:54:57,333 missing and murdered victims converging... 1192 00:54:57,417 --> 00:55:00,542 After we rolled out five or six of these stories, 1193 00:55:00,625 --> 00:55:03,625 the families marched on George Napper, 1194 00:55:03,709 --> 00:55:05,625 the police commissioner's office, 1195 00:55:05,709 --> 00:55:09,959 demanding that he reopen this case. 1196 00:55:10,041 --> 00:55:11,959 - We want to see Commissioner Napper. 1197 00:55:12,041 --> 00:55:14,417 - Told that Napper was away from his office, 1198 00:55:14,500 --> 00:55:17,458 the angry parents staged a sit-in of sorts, 1199 00:55:17,542 --> 00:55:19,125 police officials ordering them 1200 00:55:19,208 --> 00:55:21,667 to stop chanting civil rights songs. 1201 00:55:21,750 --> 00:55:25,250 - You did not accommodate us. Why should we accommodate you? 1202 00:55:25,333 --> 00:55:27,500 - Napper and Police Chief Morris Redding 1203 00:55:27,583 --> 00:55:30,333 arrived agreeing to meet with the parents. 1204 00:55:30,417 --> 00:55:32,291 They were so desperate for answers 1205 00:55:32,375 --> 00:55:34,834 and a more thorough investigation. 1206 00:55:34,917 --> 00:55:36,291 They were really enraged. 1207 00:55:36,375 --> 00:55:37,792 - This may be strong language, 1208 00:55:37,875 --> 00:55:40,625 but I think the city became an accessory to the murderer. 1209 00:55:40,709 --> 00:55:42,875 - If they had enough proof to say he killed my child, 1210 00:55:42,959 --> 00:55:44,000 I feel they should have enough proof 1211 00:55:44,083 --> 00:55:45,166 to bring him back to court 1212 00:55:45,250 --> 00:55:47,125 and try him for killing our children. 1213 00:55:47,208 --> 00:55:48,959 - I'm really mad about it, 1214 00:55:49,041 --> 00:55:52,000 because I don't think the city of Atlanta did us right. 1215 00:55:52,083 --> 00:55:54,000 - The angry parents have now departed vowing-- 1216 00:55:54,083 --> 00:55:57,208 It was very frustrating that the police 1217 00:55:57,291 --> 00:55:59,500 never arrested Jamie Brooks 1218 00:55:59,583 --> 00:56:01,875 in connection with Clifford Jones' murder. 1219 00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:07,208 - The question is, would we charge somebody 1220 00:56:07,291 --> 00:56:08,375 without evidence? 1221 00:56:08,458 --> 00:56:10,834 And the answer is no. 1222 00:56:10,917 --> 00:56:12,667 And there wasn't enough evidence to charge him 1223 00:56:12,750 --> 00:56:15,625 with the case of Clifford Jones, 1224 00:56:15,709 --> 00:56:18,709 'cause there really wasn't much evidence. 1225 00:56:18,792 --> 00:56:21,417 - The public needs, and has a right, to know. 1226 00:56:21,500 --> 00:56:24,041 It was disgusting, quite honestly. 1227 00:56:24,125 --> 00:56:27,166 To me, as a journalist, that the city 1228 00:56:27,250 --> 00:56:29,542 would turn their backs on a story like this. 1229 00:56:29,625 --> 00:56:31,041 - Bob Sirkin live in our newsroom. 1230 00:56:31,125 --> 00:56:32,834 And when Action News returns... 1231 00:56:33,792 --> 00:56:35,458 - The issue for the world 1232 00:56:35,542 --> 00:56:37,208 is how are we gonna stop this 1233 00:56:37,291 --> 00:56:40,208 from happening in our cities and countries again? 1234 00:56:40,291 --> 00:56:43,875 - The city administration just wanted the community 1235 00:56:43,959 --> 00:56:47,250 to stop making a big deal about this. 1236 00:56:47,333 --> 00:56:49,083 And of course, the community was not going to, 1237 00:56:49,166 --> 00:56:52,041 because it was our kids. 1238 00:56:52,125 --> 00:56:54,417 - I'm convinced Wayne Williams is innocent. 1239 00:56:54,500 --> 00:56:57,583 I'm convinced that this was a political-- 1240 00:56:57,667 --> 00:56:58,917 more of a political thing 1241 00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,917 than it was a trial about guilt or innocence. 1242 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,208 - So you don't think he killed your son, either? 1243 00:57:04,291 --> 00:57:06,500 - I don't think he killed anybody. 1244 00:57:07,667 --> 00:57:09,750 - It was also very clear that the city 1245 00:57:09,834 --> 00:57:12,750 saw the mothers as troublemakers. 1246 00:57:12,834 --> 00:57:13,959 They were being loud. 1247 00:57:14,041 --> 00:57:15,709 They were not shutting up 1248 00:57:15,792 --> 00:57:18,000 and sitting down and going away. 1249 00:57:19,542 --> 00:57:21,917 - The Committee to Stop Children's Murders sign 1250 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,959 is still up on MLK Drive, 1251 00:57:24,041 --> 00:57:25,667 but its doors are locked, 1252 00:57:25,750 --> 00:57:28,083 and the phones are disconnected. 1253 00:57:28,166 --> 00:57:29,709 - A lot of these women were accused of, 1254 00:57:29,792 --> 00:57:31,375 you know, just being in front of the camera 1255 00:57:31,458 --> 00:57:33,375 so that they could get speaking engagement money, 1256 00:57:33,458 --> 00:57:35,583 or they could get donations. 1257 00:57:35,667 --> 00:57:37,792 Some people called them hustlers or whatever. 1258 00:57:37,875 --> 00:57:40,083 Some ministers said stuff like that. 1259 00:57:40,166 --> 00:57:43,125 Some politicians said stuff like that. 1260 00:57:43,208 --> 00:57:45,125 It was outrageous. 1261 00:57:45,208 --> 00:57:47,709 - An investigation is underway by the state government 1262 00:57:47,792 --> 00:57:50,458 to see why their Committee to Stop Children's Murders 1263 00:57:50,542 --> 00:57:53,500 has not registered as a fundraising organization. 1264 00:57:53,583 --> 00:57:56,291 - They did everything they could to discredit Camille 1265 00:57:56,375 --> 00:57:58,500 and to drive her out of the city. 1266 00:57:58,583 --> 00:58:02,417 ♪ ♪ 1267 00:58:02,500 --> 00:58:05,750 - You know, Atlanta is funny because 1268 00:58:05,834 --> 00:58:11,417 I really, really love Atlanta in a lot of different ways, 1269 00:58:11,500 --> 00:58:14,166 but I guess Atlanta's 1270 00:58:14,250 --> 00:58:18,250 like a bad spouse. 1271 00:58:18,333 --> 00:58:19,959 You know, like you don't stop loving them, 1272 00:58:20,041 --> 00:58:21,667 but you can't keep staying there with them. 1273 00:58:21,750 --> 00:58:24,875 ♪ ♪ 1274 00:58:31,250 --> 00:58:33,333 - I think going back many generations, 1275 00:58:33,417 --> 00:58:34,458 there's a tendency, 1276 00:58:34,542 --> 00:58:37,500 in the African American community especially, 1277 00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:40,792 for us to tuck our hurt and our pain away. 1278 00:58:40,875 --> 00:58:43,333 We--I think it's something that we've learned 1279 00:58:43,417 --> 00:58:47,166 as a survival mechanism during slavery, even, 1280 00:58:47,250 --> 00:58:50,583 that we don't often talk about 1281 00:58:50,667 --> 00:58:53,458 those painful parts of our history. 1282 00:58:53,542 --> 00:58:56,709 And I think that's exactly what's happened 1283 00:58:56,792 --> 00:58:58,625 with the missing and murdered children. 1284 00:59:00,083 --> 00:59:03,000 Remembering this part of our story, 1285 00:59:03,083 --> 00:59:07,041 I think it's our responsibility to do that. 1286 00:59:07,125 --> 00:59:11,000 A number of the investigations were at various phases, 1287 00:59:11,083 --> 00:59:13,375 and as soon as Wayne Williams was arrested, 1288 00:59:13,458 --> 00:59:15,083 they just cut them off. 1289 00:59:15,166 --> 00:59:17,041 No matter-- if they were pointing 1290 00:59:17,125 --> 00:59:18,542 towards family members. 1291 00:59:18,625 --> 00:59:20,542 One child they thought may have actually been 1292 00:59:20,625 --> 00:59:23,667 an accidental fall from a bridge. 1293 00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:26,375 I think what's clear already 1294 00:59:26,458 --> 00:59:29,083 is that some of these children 1295 00:59:29,166 --> 00:59:34,709 perhaps should not have been attributed to Wayne Williams, 1296 00:59:34,792 --> 00:59:37,500 and there also may be other children 1297 00:59:37,583 --> 00:59:40,542 who should have been included on this list 1298 00:59:40,625 --> 00:59:42,792 who weren't included. 1299 00:59:42,875 --> 00:59:45,208 They feel pretty certain, and, Joshua, you can correct me 1300 00:59:45,291 --> 00:59:48,250 if I'm wrong on this, that perhaps the two girls 1301 00:59:48,333 --> 00:59:51,375 were not victims of Wayne Williams. 1302 00:59:51,458 --> 00:59:52,667 - Right. That's what she communicated 1303 00:59:52,750 --> 00:59:54,250 during our last conversation. 1304 00:59:54,333 --> 00:59:57,291 - The investigators think that there was at least 1305 00:59:57,375 --> 00:59:59,417 one other killer out there. 1306 00:59:59,500 --> 01:00:02,458 [dramatic music] 1307 01:00:02,542 --> 01:00:09,500 ♪ ♪ 1308 01:00:37,542 --> 01:00:39,583 [bright tone] 1309 01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:45,750 MAN: The homicides stopped after the arrest of Wayne Williams. 1310 01:00:46,041 --> 01:00:47,667 I'm 100 percent certain 1311 01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:49,208 that Wayne Williams is the killer. 1312 01:00:49,583 --> 01:00:53,709 There is no justice in the United States of America. 1313 01:00:54,458 --> 01:00:57,333 MAN 2: The Georgia Bureau investigation had opened up 1314 01:00:57,417 --> 01:01:02,208 an entire investigation focusing on Ku Klux Klan 1315 01:01:02,291 --> 01:01:03,792 involvement in the killings. 1316 01:01:04,125 --> 01:01:07,083 Charles T. Sanders admitted killing Geter. 1317 01:01:07,583 --> 01:01:10,291 They've been trying to cover this stuff for 40 years. 1318 01:01:10,375 --> 01:01:11,333 And they slipped up. 1319 01:01:11,417 --> 01:01:12,583 MAN 3: They chose Wayne, 1320 01:01:12,834 --> 01:01:16,333 but had they pinned this on somebody white... 1321 01:01:16,875 --> 01:01:19,417 there would have been riots all over America. 1322 01:01:19,500 --> 01:01:22,041 ♪ (DRAMATIC OUTRO PLAYS) ♪ 94148

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