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Our candidate for president,
Charles Lindbergh.
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CHARLES LINDBERGH:
The Jewish people are pushing
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the United States
into this new war.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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HERMAN LEVIN:
Lindbergh wants to be
another little Hitler himself.
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This is my country!
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BESS LEVIN: Not anymore!
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It's their country.
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♪ (MUSIC INTENSIFIES) ♪
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We only think we're American.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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WOMAN:
The bodies were adding up.
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There were hundreds of suspects.
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MAN: He was the connection
between all of these victims.
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♪ (DRAMATIC MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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WOMAN 2: Wayne Williams saw
himself as a crime reporter.
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MAN 2: He would cover accidents,
murders even.
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He's smart. He's like a nerd.
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Did Wayne Williams kill anyone?
We don't know.
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WAYNE WILLIAMS: This isn't just
about me clearing my name.
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This is about getting
some justice.
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God willing,
let's make it happen.
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♪ (MUSIC CONCLUDES) ♪
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[TV static drones]
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[bright tone]
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["Save Me"
by Joan Armatrading playing]
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♪ ♪
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- ♪ Sinking ♪
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♪ Caught up
in a whirling motion ♪
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♪ Such a strange sensation ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ The currents uncertain ♪
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♪ Like sails of a mill,
I spin ♪
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♪ Like wheels,
I move in a circle ♪
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♪ While you stand ♪
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♪ On the bank ♪
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♪ Immune or evasive ♪
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♪ Throw me a lifeline ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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♪ ♪
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♪ Save me ♪
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♪ ♪
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[ominous music]
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♪ ♪
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- Another major story
we're following tonight.
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A stunning turn of events
as families
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of the Atlanta Child Murders
gather to talk about the case.
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- The prime suspect called in
from prison
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and maintained his innocence.
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This all happened
with victims' families
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right there in the room.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- I'm Lou Arcangeli.
- Jarvis Miller.
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- Jarvis?
- Miller.
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- Miller.
Hello, Mr. Miller.
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I really hate that they let
Wayne Williams...
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tease us and taunt us.
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Every level of jurisprudence
has reviewed this case
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multiple times, and they've
always found he's guilty.
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- I have half of
APD's case files...
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- Okay.
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- And over 16 kids had
at least one Caucasian hair
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on their body somewhere.
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That don't mean the person
killed 'em...
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- No.
- But someone else could have
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been the killer.
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- Mr. Miller,
you raise good points.
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It's just that the jury
found it overwhelming.
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- Well, we stick there--
we considered the time...
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it was a very,
very different time,
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and the culture of the city
was very, very different.
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- Agreed.
- I'm just saying,
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we have to--we have
to count that in,
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that the culture of the time
was very, very different.
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[dramatic music]
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- They feel that
these black children
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are not important!
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But I firmly believe
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at the root of it all
is racism.
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[crowd murmuring]
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- In 1981,
the image of Atlanta was
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being transmitted globally
around the world,
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and the only thing people heard
about Atlanta was
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"children are dying,"
"children are dying."
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People all over the world
began to say,
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"What in the world
are you all doing?
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"How can you not
protect our children
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"in a community with these
black elected officials,
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"a black mayor,
black chief of police?
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What in the world
are you all doing in Atlanta?"
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- Patrick Rogers' death
has hit his family hard.
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Seven-year-old Isaac Rogers,
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who nicknamed his brother
"Pat-man,"
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was the last to see him alive.
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- I was seven years old
at the time.
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So now my brother, he's gone,
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my mother is a wreck,
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and they haven't caught
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this person.
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And there was this one time
we decided to go
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to Miss Willie Mae's house
to get some junk food.
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We came out of
Miss Willie Mae's apartment,
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and right as I stepped down
on the first step,
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there's a grown man.
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I have never seen him before,
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and he's looking up the stairs
at us,
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and he starts to come up
the stairs slow, deliberate.
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And so I turn around,
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and I rush back
to Miss Willie Mae's door.
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Had Miss Willie Mae been
10 seconds, 20 seconds later
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in opening that door,
my mother would have had
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two kids murdered by this guy.
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- I remember driving home
one night and saying,
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"This is scary.
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I mean, he's out there.
No one has a clue."
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[foreboding music]
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You know, I could count.
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I said, "It's eight days
since the last victim.
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We're gonna have one next
two--one or two days."
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Sure enough, kid goes missing,
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couple days later,
the body found.
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- When I started
with the task force,
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these were clearly...
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dumped cases.
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They were victims
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who were placed.
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So doesn't look like
we're gonna find
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shoe prints and tire prints
or fingerprints.
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So trace evidence
on the victims
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was gonna be a critical aspect
of the investigation,
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because they might reveal
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the most recent place
the victims were
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before they were killed.
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- Criminologists
at the State Crime Lab
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compare and match fibers,
rope or fabric, for instance,
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from different sources
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and are working
under the assumption
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the fibers could be
the first link with a suspect.
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Sources tell us the crime lab
now has possession of
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all the clothing
found with the children
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on the task force list.
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- I started finding dog hair,
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violet acetate fibers,
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and also these unusual,
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distinctive green
carpet fibers
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showing up
on multiple victims.
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I grew in confidence
that they were important.
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- Larry said,
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"If you find this environment,
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you have found your killer."
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- There was a point
where the paper published
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a story saying
the task force had recovered
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hair and fiber evidence.
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And then after that,
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victims started showing up
in rivers.
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This was evidence
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that there was potentially
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a single murderer.
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- Joseph Bell, Curtis Walker,
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and Aaron Jackson were found
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in or near the South River.
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Patrick Rogers, Eddie Duncan,
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and Timothy Hill
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were all found
in the Chattahoochee River.
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Theory: water washes away
any evidence
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and no crime scene
can be established.
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[grim music]
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- The fear was palpable,
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because at that point,
we knew he was reacting
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to what he was reading.
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And then I realized
we're dealing with
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a single killer that--
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'cause he is--he's playing
a game with us.
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- He appeared to be learning.
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This was a killer
whose behaviors changed
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based on experience,
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and then the victims got older
as time went on.
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- From the time
the murders began
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in July of 1979,
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the victims were all
under the age of 16.
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In the last month,
that common characteristic
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has undergone a change:
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all have been
considerably older.
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- Most of the serial killers
that we know of
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did change along the way.
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♪ ♪
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The MO changes
because it has to
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for him to do the crime.
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They're always moving...
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more and more violent.
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Always.
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- Jimmy Payne's body was found
late yesterday afternoon
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in the Chattahoochee River.
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just north of
Bankhead Highway.
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He is the fifth victim
to be discovered
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in the Chattahoochee.
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- Another similarity
in many of these cases:
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few clues
and a lot of dead ends.
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[cameras snapping]
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- My initial thought was,
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"If I were trying to get rid
of a body,
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"the last thing I'd wanna do is
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"drive down to the bank
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of the river."
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[somber music]
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You could leave tire tracks.
You could get seen.
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You could get stuck.
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I said, "I'll bet you that
I would drop 'em off a bridge."
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Pull up, get out, drop.
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Three seconds later,
I'm back in the car.
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I'm gone.
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And I said, "We should set up
our surveillance
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on the bridge."
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- Agent Mike McComas said,
"We wanna watch the bridges.
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We think he's throwing the body
off the bridges."
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And I looked at him,
and I said,
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"Are you guys crazy?
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"Do you know how many bridges
there are in Atlanta?
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"There's hundreds.
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How you know you're gonna
have the right bridge?"
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And then they said,
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"Do you have a better idea,
dumbass?"
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And I said to them,
"No, I don't, right now."
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I said, "Go for it."
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We said,
"Let's try it for 30 days.
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We got nothing to lose.
We got nothing else going."
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[suspenseful music]
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- We had 14 bridges
under surveillance.
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And we were using
police recruits
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under the bridge.
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- You had an officer
on each end
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and officers down below
the bridge, next to the river.
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- And the FBI was serving
as the chase vehicles
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on top of the bridges.
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♪ ♪
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- We burned somewhere around
140 to 145 people per night.
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♪ ♪
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- It was decided that
this particular weekend
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will be the last week
that we were going to keep
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the bridges under
surveillance.
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[eerie music]
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- That night, I was
at the southernmost bridge.
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I was down there
with a SWAT team guy
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with Atlanta PD.
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I remember sitting in the car.
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The radio squelch broke,
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and I heard something
about a splash.
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And of course, my ears perk up,
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and I start playing
with the radio,
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see what I can get, turn
the volume up a little bit.
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- Ready at a 502.
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- The guys below
hear a huge splash.
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- It was 3:00 in the morning,
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and you hear, "whoosh."
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[haunting music]
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- And then they looked up
on the bridge,
264
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and they can see headlights.
265
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They're moving very slowly,
were just starting to move.
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♪ ♪
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- I hollered over
to the Atlanta SWAT guy,
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"Get in the car, man.
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We need to run north
real quick."
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I'm going up 285 North...
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And I look over
on the southbound side
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on the ramp.
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And somebody's got lit up.
There's a lot of blue lights.
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I pulled in front,
and I walked back.
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I said, "What's going on?"
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They had already
pulled someone over.
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I see his license.
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He was 23 years old,
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and his name was
Wayne Williams.
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[indistinct chatter]
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- Hey.
- Hello, gentlemen.
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How are you?
- How are you doing?
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All righty.
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- [clears throat]
285
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[clears throat, sniffs]
286
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There was never any incident
on the bridge.
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I never stopped on the bridge.
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I never threw anything
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off the bridge,
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and nobody ever testified
that I did.
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- There was maybe
three or four cars,
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plus Wayne Williams' car.
293
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I pulled around 'em
and pulled in front.
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First thing out of my mouth
was--I said,
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"Do you--do you know why
we pulled you over?"
296
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And he goes, "Yeah, it's got
something to do with
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those missing kids."
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And then immediately
out of his mouth, he said,
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"Yeah, you know, um,
Channel 2..."
300
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he says, "They're covering
this really well."
301
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And I thought, "How strange."
302
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He said, "I'm a talent scout,
303
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and I have an early morning
appointment"--
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like 7:00 or 8:00--
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"with Cheryl Johnson over
at Spanish Trace Apartments."
306
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He said, "I'm out here
trying to find her apartment."
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[dramatic music]
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That just wasn't believable.
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Who goes out
at 3:00 in the morning
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for a four-hour--an appointment
four hours later
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just to ensure
that he's not late?
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Just didn't cut it with me.
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- Two more cars
of plainclothes officers
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came on the scene,
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and I recognized
Captain Spence.
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He was, at the time,
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head of
Atlanta police SWAT team.
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He says,
"I'm searching this car.
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You got a problem with it?"
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And I told him
in no uncertain terms that
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he didn't have any permission
to search my car.
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He informed he didn't need it.
323
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He was tired of my "S"
and all this.
324
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He was dragging stuff
all out on the seats and all.
325
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- I notice on the other side
of Wayne was a pair of gloves.
326
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They were almost, like,
327
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suede-like gloves
with wool liner,
328
00:14:09,834 --> 00:14:11,542
which I thought was
just a little bit strange.
329
00:14:13,083 --> 00:14:14,166
- There was a set of gloves
that stayed
330
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in the glove compartment
all the time,
331
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and that's exactly
where they were.
332
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And the way they got
on the front seat
333
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when the other officers
found them,
334
00:14:19,875 --> 00:14:21,542
Carl Holden had gone
in the glove compartment,
335
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pulled the gloves out,
336
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and left them
on the front seat.
337
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So when the second set of
officers came to do the search,
338
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the gloves were laying
on the front seat.
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♪ ♪
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- As he gets out,
I stepped to the back,
341
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and I see
on the hump of the car,
342
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there was a nylon rope there
343
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that was like a ski rope.
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It was braided.
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♪ ♪
346
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- There's an embankment.
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They claim they found
this wire,
348
00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:47,041
but that was a piece of wire,
349
00:14:47,125 --> 00:14:49,041
when they were looking around
the area of the car,
350
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that was found
up the embankment.
351
00:14:51,917 --> 00:14:53,709
And when he found it
and picked it up,
352
00:14:53,792 --> 00:14:56,542
he said, "This would make
a nice ligature, wouldn't it?"
353
00:14:56,625 --> 00:14:59,542
And I said,
"Remember where you got that.
354
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It was here, not in the car."
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♪ ♪
356
00:15:03,750 --> 00:15:06,709
I could hear the helicopter
searching the river,
357
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and also, they were calling
for some boat team
358
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to put in the river.
359
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So I stayed there,
waiting on them
360
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to finish their river search
for about another hour
361
00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,542
till finally,
one of 'em called and said,
362
00:15:17,625 --> 00:15:19,333
you know, "Zero in the river."
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Whatever that means.
364
00:15:20,667 --> 00:15:22,125
[unsettling percussive music]
365
00:15:22,208 --> 00:15:24,875
- We carried it as far
as we could.
366
00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:27,458
We had suspicious reason
to stop him,
367
00:15:27,542 --> 00:15:31,583
but we really didn't have
enough to arrest him.
368
00:15:31,667 --> 00:15:33,959
So I ask the other guys,
"Are you through back there?"
369
00:15:34,041 --> 00:15:34,917
And they went,
"Yeah, we're done."
370
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:36,000
I said, "Okay."
371
00:15:36,083 --> 00:15:38,583
So I said,
"Okay, you're free to go."
372
00:15:38,667 --> 00:15:41,333
- The FBI made the decision
not to arrest him,
373
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because if you arrest
this guy,
374
00:15:44,166 --> 00:15:45,083
you have just said,
375
00:15:45,166 --> 00:15:46,625
"This is the Atlanta--
376
00:15:46,709 --> 00:15:48,000
the child killer."
377
00:15:48,083 --> 00:15:49,875
And you better have it right.
378
00:15:51,083 --> 00:15:52,250
- And then Captain Spence
said,
379
00:15:52,333 --> 00:15:53,417
"Well, I guess you can go."
380
00:15:53,500 --> 00:15:56,083
He said, "But I got you
this time, little nigger."
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Quote, unquote.
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[rain pattering]
383
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[daunting music]
384
00:16:02,208 --> 00:16:03,417
- At first,
we didn't think it was him,
385
00:16:03,500 --> 00:16:04,625
and we would honestly think
386
00:16:04,709 --> 00:16:08,000
we could pretty much
wash him out as a suspect.
387
00:16:08,083 --> 00:16:09,625
Looks like a little nerd,
388
00:16:09,709 --> 00:16:11,166
standing at--he's only
about 5'7".
389
00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:12,792
He's not very big in stature.
390
00:16:12,875 --> 00:16:16,000
Spectacles and his Afro,
he looks like Urkel,
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completely nonthreatening,
392
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and I'm saying to myself,
"Get him out of here."
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00:16:20,917 --> 00:16:23,250
And then two days
after the splash,
394
00:16:23,333 --> 00:16:25,625
the body of the last victim,
Nathaniel Cater,
395
00:16:25,709 --> 00:16:27,959
washed up about
a mile and a half,
396
00:16:28,041 --> 00:16:29,625
two miles south of the bridge.
397
00:16:29,709 --> 00:16:31,667
[solemn music]
398
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- Sunday, the oldest victim
yet was found
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in the Chattahoochee River,
400
00:16:36,709 --> 00:16:38,166
but investigators still
don't believe
401
00:16:38,250 --> 00:16:41,083
the murderer or murderers are
choosing victims at random.
402
00:16:41,166 --> 00:16:42,875
- Cater died
just a couple of weeks
403
00:16:42,959 --> 00:16:45,125
before his 28th birthday.
404
00:16:45,208 --> 00:16:46,500
He was found
in the Chattahoochee,
405
00:16:46,583 --> 00:16:48,458
near the I-285 Bridge.
406
00:16:48,542 --> 00:16:50,500
He had been dead several days.
407
00:16:50,583 --> 00:16:52,750
♪ ♪
408
00:16:52,834 --> 00:16:54,375
- When the body
of Nathaniel Cater
409
00:16:54,458 --> 00:16:56,417
washed up south of the bridge,
410
00:16:56,500 --> 00:16:59,166
we said, "I think
Wayne Williams has a problem."
411
00:16:59,250 --> 00:17:00,667
And I said,
"I think you're right."
412
00:17:00,750 --> 00:17:03,709
[dramatic music]
413
00:17:03,792 --> 00:17:09,625
♪ ♪
414
00:17:09,709 --> 00:17:13,000
- The FBI had developed
really detailed profiles
415
00:17:13,083 --> 00:17:15,750
of what the suspect
should be like.
416
00:17:17,166 --> 00:17:21,333
- One of the many profiles
was of a single black male
417
00:17:21,417 --> 00:17:23,875
living with his parents.
418
00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:26,417
And they based that on
victimology,
419
00:17:26,500 --> 00:17:29,417
studying the victims,
the environment of the victims.
420
00:17:29,500 --> 00:17:31,458
♪ ♪
421
00:17:31,542 --> 00:17:33,542
- He would also be
very conscious
422
00:17:33,625 --> 00:17:34,709
of the media coverage.
423
00:17:34,792 --> 00:17:36,834
He'd be very aware.
424
00:17:36,917 --> 00:17:38,667
He would be
an ambulance chaser.
425
00:17:40,083 --> 00:17:41,542
And that was Wayne Williams.
426
00:17:41,625 --> 00:17:45,583
- And his car was all done up
427
00:17:45,667 --> 00:17:49,041
with lights and...
428
00:17:49,125 --> 00:17:50,542
it looked like a police car.
429
00:17:50,625 --> 00:17:52,917
♪ ♪
430
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:56,583
- Wayne had a police monitor
in his car.
431
00:17:56,667 --> 00:17:57,583
People would say,
432
00:17:57,667 --> 00:17:58,583
"That's strange."
433
00:17:58,667 --> 00:17:59,583
Well, not if you're chasing
434
00:17:59,667 --> 00:18:00,709
news stories.
435
00:18:00,792 --> 00:18:03,250
Because he would listen
to the police monitor,
436
00:18:03,333 --> 00:18:04,709
and when he heard something
going off,
437
00:18:04,792 --> 00:18:07,250
he would jump in his car
and take off flying
438
00:18:07,333 --> 00:18:08,917
with this big camera in the car
439
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,375
to go to try to get
the news story.
440
00:18:11,458 --> 00:18:14,250
- It had been a detective car,
had a scanner.
441
00:18:14,333 --> 00:18:16,417
There was a whip on the back
and everything.
442
00:18:16,500 --> 00:18:18,417
And he put the blue lights
back in,
443
00:18:18,500 --> 00:18:20,375
and he got arrested
for having it.
444
00:18:20,458 --> 00:18:22,375
- Wayne was a police groupie.
445
00:18:22,458 --> 00:18:23,542
He would hang out
446
00:18:23,625 --> 00:18:24,917
with police officers.
447
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,583
♪ ♪
448
00:18:26,667 --> 00:18:29,250
He could easily have
impersonated a police officer
449
00:18:29,333 --> 00:18:32,625
to overpower or to get
these kids to get in his car.
450
00:18:32,709 --> 00:18:34,250
♪ ♪
451
00:18:34,333 --> 00:18:36,750
- We generated a list
of 3,000 names,
452
00:18:36,834 --> 00:18:39,375
and the only criteria
on the list was:
453
00:18:39,458 --> 00:18:41,834
person arrested for
impersonating
454
00:18:41,917 --> 00:18:42,917
a police officer,
455
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:47,083
and race, gender
were not criteria.
456
00:18:47,166 --> 00:18:48,625
Wayne Williams is on that list
457
00:18:48,709 --> 00:18:50,500
'cause he'd been arrested
for impersonating
458
00:18:50,583 --> 00:18:52,000
a police officer earlier.
459
00:18:52,083 --> 00:18:53,667
♪ ♪
460
00:18:53,750 --> 00:18:55,959
However, I am convinced
461
00:18:56,041 --> 00:18:57,458
had we sent
two agents out there--
462
00:18:57,542 --> 00:18:59,792
even sent me out there--
we would have come back
463
00:18:59,875 --> 00:19:01,792
and said,
"This is not the guy."
464
00:19:01,875 --> 00:19:03,417
And after we got
our Wayne Williams,
465
00:19:03,500 --> 00:19:05,834
then we looked at it and said,
"Jeez, he fits the profile.
466
00:19:05,917 --> 00:19:07,125
He checks all the boxes."
467
00:19:07,208 --> 00:19:08,750
[somber music]
468
00:19:08,834 --> 00:19:12,291
- Okay, we're coming up.
Remote one, sound and picture.
469
00:19:12,375 --> 00:19:15,500
- Ten seconds to the ID.
- Ten to the ID.
470
00:19:15,583 --> 00:19:19,000
- Sometime after Wayne
was stopped on the bridge,
471
00:19:19,083 --> 00:19:21,625
the anchor from Channel 2
472
00:19:21,709 --> 00:19:23,125
called me about 9:00 at night
473
00:19:23,208 --> 00:19:24,709
and said, "We--we've been told--
474
00:19:24,792 --> 00:19:25,667
we have confirmation
475
00:19:25,750 --> 00:19:27,000
that there's a suspect."
476
00:19:30,750 --> 00:19:32,959
So I got
to the FBI office in downtown
477
00:19:33,041 --> 00:19:34,834
because they detained
somebody.
478
00:19:34,917 --> 00:19:37,667
[indistinct chatter]
479
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:40,667
[alarm sounding]
480
00:19:40,750 --> 00:19:42,417
- Is there a suspect inside?
481
00:19:42,500 --> 00:19:43,500
- The word is not "a suspect."
482
00:19:43,583 --> 00:19:46,208
There's been,
uh--there's someone
483
00:19:46,291 --> 00:19:48,166
who has been interviewed
since this afternoon.
484
00:19:48,250 --> 00:19:49,333
That's the official word,
485
00:19:49,417 --> 00:19:51,041
"interviewed since
this afternoon."
486
00:19:52,542 --> 00:19:54,458
[cameras snapping]
487
00:19:54,542 --> 00:19:56,834
I get to the office,
and I see this guy
488
00:19:56,917 --> 00:19:58,709
who was a photographer
for a couple of
489
00:19:58,792 --> 00:20:01,166
the black newspapers
in the city...
490
00:20:01,250 --> 00:20:02,500
Homer Williams.
491
00:20:02,583 --> 00:20:05,500
And I'm thinking, "This guy
has the picture of this guy."
492
00:20:05,583 --> 00:20:08,500
And I said, "Homer,
how did you manage this?
493
00:20:08,583 --> 00:20:10,583
And he said,
"Well, it's my son.
494
00:20:10,667 --> 00:20:13,625
They're charging my son
with littering."
495
00:20:13,709 --> 00:20:15,333
You know, I can't believe it.
He kept saying...
496
00:20:15,417 --> 00:20:16,667
and finally, I said to him,
497
00:20:16,750 --> 00:20:18,667
"Homer, you need to stop
talking to me,
498
00:20:18,750 --> 00:20:21,875
"because, you know,
I represent the law people.
499
00:20:21,959 --> 00:20:23,792
I'm in the side
of the government."
500
00:20:24,834 --> 00:20:26,917
- Wayne takes
a lie detector test,
501
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,208
and the polygraph examiner
shows him the results.
502
00:20:30,291 --> 00:20:32,041
And Wayne says, you know,
"What's this one,
503
00:20:32,125 --> 00:20:33,583
where there's a big spike?"
504
00:20:33,667 --> 00:20:34,709
And he said,
"Well, that's 'Did you kill
505
00:20:34,792 --> 00:20:36,000
Nathanial Cater?'"
506
00:20:36,083 --> 00:20:37,208
"What's this one?"
507
00:20:37,291 --> 00:20:40,542
"That's 'Did you dump his body
in the river?'"
508
00:20:40,625 --> 00:20:41,709
You know, and so forth.
509
00:20:41,792 --> 00:20:45,667
And the three of them are
the three questions
510
00:20:45,750 --> 00:20:48,208
about whether or not
he's the killer.
511
00:20:48,291 --> 00:20:49,834
♪ ♪
512
00:20:49,917 --> 00:20:53,417
- At that point,
I knew I was a suspect.
513
00:20:53,500 --> 00:20:55,083
There was no question.
514
00:20:55,166 --> 00:20:57,583
In my stupidity and naivete,
515
00:20:57,667 --> 00:21:01,250
I had hoped that by trying
to cooperate with these people
516
00:21:01,333 --> 00:21:04,458
I could rationalize
and explain some things,
517
00:21:04,542 --> 00:21:07,250
and I figured sooner or later,
they'd leave me alone.
518
00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:10,000
[dramatic music]
519
00:21:10,083 --> 00:21:12,125
- I knew nothing
about the bridge stakeouts.
520
00:21:12,208 --> 00:21:14,125
I knew nothing
about the splash.
521
00:21:14,208 --> 00:21:17,083
I knew nothing about
the bridge incident at all.
522
00:21:17,166 --> 00:21:19,291
I'd never heard the name
Wayne Williams.
523
00:21:19,375 --> 00:21:21,083
♪ ♪
524
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:23,208
I had been to the autopsy
and collected fibers
525
00:21:23,291 --> 00:21:24,917
from Cater's body.
526
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:27,291
I found a green carpet fiber.
527
00:21:27,375 --> 00:21:30,917
That, to me, was a very strong
indication that was a linkage
528
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,583
to the other victims.
529
00:21:32,667 --> 00:21:35,458
On June 3rd,
my coworker and myself,
530
00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:37,959
we saw coming down the hallway
531
00:21:38,041 --> 00:21:39,834
a crime scene team
from the FBI,
532
00:21:39,917 --> 00:21:41,625
been flown down from D.C.
533
00:21:41,709 --> 00:21:43,458
So that seemed very unusual,
534
00:21:43,542 --> 00:21:44,959
that there's something big
going on.
535
00:21:45,041 --> 00:21:47,834
We were then informed that
there was a suspect's vehicle
536
00:21:47,917 --> 00:21:49,834
in the basement of
the federal building
537
00:21:49,917 --> 00:21:51,291
to be searched,
and then I said,
538
00:21:51,375 --> 00:21:53,041
"Go get the crime scene
equipment."
539
00:21:53,125 --> 00:21:55,959
So I left my coworker
processing the car.
540
00:21:56,041 --> 00:21:58,667
And I left
and went to the home.
541
00:21:58,750 --> 00:22:05,750
♪ ♪
542
00:22:06,917 --> 00:22:10,083
There was already
a camera crew at the scene,
543
00:22:10,166 --> 00:22:12,166
which I thought was
kind of interesting.
544
00:22:12,250 --> 00:22:17,041
♪ ♪
545
00:22:17,125 --> 00:22:21,375
Inside the house, there was
a few detectives there,
546
00:22:21,458 --> 00:22:25,375
and then there was maybe
four people from the FBI lab
547
00:22:25,458 --> 00:22:26,959
processing and doing
different things
548
00:22:27,041 --> 00:22:27,959
inside the house.
549
00:22:28,041 --> 00:22:31,166
♪ ♪
550
00:22:31,250 --> 00:22:34,000
- In a ceiling panel,
they found a slapjack.
551
00:22:34,083 --> 00:22:38,667
And a slapjack is
a leather, flat device,
552
00:22:38,750 --> 00:22:43,041
maybe 10 inches long
with lead inside.
553
00:22:43,125 --> 00:22:45,500
If you strike somebody
in the head--you know,
554
00:22:45,583 --> 00:22:48,333
you hit 'em--hit 'em
upside the head, so to speak,
555
00:22:48,417 --> 00:22:50,333
you can kill a person
very, very easily,
556
00:22:50,417 --> 00:22:53,250
because you're hitting 'em
with--in effect,
557
00:22:53,333 --> 00:22:55,500
like hitting with a lead pipe.
558
00:22:55,583 --> 00:22:58,208
[moody music]
559
00:22:58,291 --> 00:23:01,000
- There were boxes
of slides of photos
560
00:23:01,083 --> 00:23:03,709
of young adults
and what have you.
561
00:23:03,792 --> 00:23:05,041
I mean, there were a lot.
562
00:23:05,125 --> 00:23:06,917
Going through some
of the slides,
563
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,709
I found the slide
I thought looked like
564
00:23:09,792 --> 00:23:10,875
maybe one of the victims.
565
00:23:10,959 --> 00:23:13,333
And so one of
the APD detectives
566
00:23:13,417 --> 00:23:16,500
was outside, and I wanted
to show him the slide.
567
00:23:16,583 --> 00:23:17,917
We were both looking
at the slide,
568
00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,291
and Homer Williams came out
569
00:23:19,375 --> 00:23:21,875
and snatched the slide
out of my hand
570
00:23:21,959 --> 00:23:24,542
and started going back
into the house.
571
00:23:24,625 --> 00:23:27,083
♪ ♪
572
00:23:27,166 --> 00:23:29,542
- In the backyard,
in the barbecue pit,
573
00:23:29,625 --> 00:23:33,041
according to neighbors,
photographs had been burned
574
00:23:33,125 --> 00:23:35,750
early on the morning
of May 22nd,
575
00:23:35,834 --> 00:23:38,542
after Wayne Williams
left the bridge,
576
00:23:38,625 --> 00:23:40,917
when he was released
and he went home.
577
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,750
And then
in the early morning hours,
578
00:23:43,834 --> 00:23:45,583
he and his father were out
burning photographs
579
00:23:45,667 --> 00:23:47,125
in the barbecue pit.
580
00:23:47,208 --> 00:23:50,291
♪ ♪
581
00:23:50,375 --> 00:23:52,458
- I saw there was
wall-to-wall green carpet
582
00:23:52,542 --> 00:23:53,875
in several of the rooms.
583
00:23:53,959 --> 00:23:56,583
The bed was a violet
and green bedspread.
584
00:23:56,667 --> 00:23:59,083
They had
a German Shepherd dog.
585
00:23:59,166 --> 00:24:01,542
I--yeah,
I had an intense feeling
586
00:24:01,625 --> 00:24:04,250
of "This is big.
This is--this is it.
587
00:24:04,333 --> 00:24:06,875
This is gonna--this is what
we've been looking for."
588
00:24:08,041 --> 00:24:10,333
So I collected some
fiber samples...
589
00:24:11,667 --> 00:24:13,750
And I went back to the lab,
590
00:24:13,834 --> 00:24:15,959
and I put the fiber
from the Williams' bedroom
591
00:24:16,041 --> 00:24:17,250
under the scope.
592
00:24:17,333 --> 00:24:19,709
It matched
the violet acetate fibers.
593
00:24:21,542 --> 00:24:23,041
Then I looked
at the green carpet.
594
00:24:24,208 --> 00:24:26,750
I knew instantly
from crime scenes that
595
00:24:26,834 --> 00:24:28,625
that was the fiber.
596
00:24:28,709 --> 00:24:33,291
It was an absolute...
597
00:24:33,375 --> 00:24:35,333
eureka moment.
598
00:24:35,417 --> 00:24:37,083
- Bingo.
599
00:24:37,166 --> 00:24:38,583
This is unbelievable.
600
00:24:38,667 --> 00:24:41,834
This is--if this is not
the source,
601
00:24:41,917 --> 00:24:43,458
I don't know what is.
602
00:24:43,542 --> 00:24:44,792
[dramatic music]
603
00:24:44,875 --> 00:24:47,667
[indistinct chatter]
604
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:52,250
♪ ♪
605
00:24:52,333 --> 00:24:54,000
- The way that
they were treated.
606
00:24:54,083 --> 00:24:56,458
The way that authorities went
into the house,
607
00:24:56,542 --> 00:24:59,959
tearing up the carpet in
the house and the furniture...
608
00:25:00,041 --> 00:25:01,500
- The car.
- The car.
609
00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:03,375
♪ ♪
610
00:25:03,458 --> 00:25:05,041
Mrs. Williams was
very respectable people,
611
00:25:05,125 --> 00:25:09,291
both educators,
very dignified and refined.
612
00:25:09,375 --> 00:25:12,208
Peace-loving people to be
treated like that,
613
00:25:12,291 --> 00:25:14,959
it was just--
it was unbelievable.
614
00:25:15,041 --> 00:25:16,417
They were building this case.
615
00:25:16,500 --> 00:25:18,709
They were going to implicate him
616
00:25:18,792 --> 00:25:19,709
by any means necessary,
617
00:25:19,792 --> 00:25:20,709
because they had to close
618
00:25:20,792 --> 00:25:21,709
the case.
619
00:25:21,792 --> 00:25:23,000
They had to do something,
620
00:25:23,083 --> 00:25:25,959
because not only Atlanta,
621
00:25:26,041 --> 00:25:29,875
but America was disturbed
about what was going on--
622
00:25:29,959 --> 00:25:31,208
the world even.
623
00:25:31,291 --> 00:25:33,667
♪ ♪
624
00:25:33,750 --> 00:25:35,750
- In one of the most tragic
situations ever to strike
625
00:25:35,834 --> 00:25:36,959
an American city,
626
00:25:37,041 --> 00:25:39,208
President Reagan today took
a direct hand
627
00:25:39,291 --> 00:25:40,500
in the Atlanta situation.
628
00:25:40,583 --> 00:25:43,792
- I want the people of Atlanta
and the nation to know that
629
00:25:43,875 --> 00:25:47,166
this administration is doing
and will continue to do
630
00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:50,333
what we can to help bring
an end to this tragedy.
631
00:25:50,417 --> 00:25:52,333
- What do you have to say
to people who say that
632
00:25:52,417 --> 00:25:53,542
Washington would have
moved quicker
633
00:25:53,625 --> 00:25:55,166
if those children
had been white?
634
00:25:55,250 --> 00:25:57,375
- We moved as quickly
as we could
635
00:25:57,458 --> 00:25:58,875
and were aware
that there was a need.
636
00:25:58,959 --> 00:26:00,208
- The fact they were black
didn't mean that
637
00:26:00,291 --> 00:26:02,709
you had less concern
or you had--you moved slower?
638
00:26:02,792 --> 00:26:04,709
- No, Sam,
I think there's one thing,
639
00:26:04,792 --> 00:26:07,417
and I wanna make one thing
very plain.
640
00:26:07,500 --> 00:26:10,041
This goes all the way back
to the campaign:
641
00:26:10,125 --> 00:26:13,375
this administration
is totally colorblind.
642
00:26:13,458 --> 00:26:16,375
[energetic music]
643
00:26:16,458 --> 00:26:23,458
♪ ♪
644
00:26:29,792 --> 00:26:31,709
- When he first called me,
he said,
645
00:26:31,792 --> 00:26:34,959
"I think...I'm in trouble.
646
00:26:35,041 --> 00:26:38,834
"I think I need a lawyer,
647
00:26:38,917 --> 00:26:42,750
"and I know
from your reputation
648
00:26:42,834 --> 00:26:45,083
that you are fearless."
649
00:26:45,166 --> 00:26:47,959
♪ ♪
650
00:26:48,041 --> 00:26:49,917
- Everybody knew Mary Welcome.
651
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,750
Mary was this crusading
city solicitor
652
00:26:52,834 --> 00:26:53,750
protecting the city.
653
00:26:53,834 --> 00:26:55,750
- Back when Mary Welcome was
654
00:26:55,834 --> 00:26:57,583
a smut-fighting
city solicitor,
655
00:26:57,667 --> 00:26:59,709
she earned the nickname
"Wild Mary"
656
00:26:59,792 --> 00:27:01,083
for her determined efforts
657
00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:03,333
to close down
Atlanta bathhouses.
658
00:27:04,166 --> 00:27:07,166
- That's in section 20-180
of the city code of Atlanta,
659
00:27:07,250 --> 00:27:09,625
which provides that
any nuisance
660
00:27:09,709 --> 00:27:12,291
may be abated or removed
by the judge
661
00:27:12,375 --> 00:27:14,333
of the Municipal Court
of the City of Atlanta.
662
00:27:14,417 --> 00:27:15,875
♪ ♪
663
00:27:15,959 --> 00:27:19,834
- She was closing down all of
the peep joints downtown
664
00:27:19,917 --> 00:27:22,291
and closing up
the massage parlors.
665
00:27:22,375 --> 00:27:23,834
You know, going in...
666
00:27:23,917 --> 00:27:25,333
♪ ♪
667
00:27:25,417 --> 00:27:27,083
- We have closed the doors
668
00:27:27,166 --> 00:27:30,959
on every single bathhouse
in this city.
669
00:27:31,041 --> 00:27:32,625
- Except for the Blue Fox.
670
00:27:32,709 --> 00:27:34,625
- Except--we've closed
those doors too,
671
00:27:34,709 --> 00:27:36,792
but a higher court has said
that they have right
672
00:27:36,875 --> 00:27:38,083
pending appeal.
673
00:27:38,166 --> 00:27:41,834
I have no doubt that they too
will be closed very shortly.
674
00:27:41,917 --> 00:27:48,834
♪ ♪
675
00:27:49,917 --> 00:27:51,500
- Wayne wanted the publicity.
676
00:27:51,583 --> 00:27:53,667
He wanted the notoriety,
677
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:54,667
and the selection
678
00:27:54,750 --> 00:27:56,667
of Mary Welcome fit
679
00:27:56,750 --> 00:27:58,709
with that narrative of Wayne
680
00:27:58,792 --> 00:28:00,333
wanting to be important
681
00:28:00,417 --> 00:28:02,792
and wanting everybody to know
who he was.
682
00:28:02,875 --> 00:28:05,542
[tense music]
683
00:28:05,625 --> 00:28:06,750
♪ ♪
684
00:28:06,834 --> 00:28:09,709
[indistinct chatter]
685
00:28:09,792 --> 00:28:16,709
♪ ♪
686
00:28:16,792 --> 00:28:18,208
- After returning home,
687
00:28:18,291 --> 00:28:20,709
the young man conducted
a news conference,
688
00:28:20,792 --> 00:28:23,166
setting the condition
that he would not be shown
689
00:28:23,250 --> 00:28:24,875
and that his name not be used.
690
00:28:24,959 --> 00:28:28,542
- Had you thought a lot
about this murder case?
691
00:28:28,625 --> 00:28:29,917
- Some of them might be
connected,
692
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,875
but some of these kids
are in places
693
00:28:31,959 --> 00:28:33,667
they don't have no business
being at certain times
694
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:34,917
of the day and night.
695
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,709
They're just running around
in the streets wild.
696
00:28:36,792 --> 00:28:38,208
I'm saying
when you're doing that,
697
00:28:38,291 --> 00:28:40,667
you're opening yourself up
for all kinds of things.
698
00:28:40,750 --> 00:28:42,208
I just feel
some of these parents
699
00:28:42,291 --> 00:28:44,917
just need to tighten up
and get strict on the kids.
700
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,041
- But you didn't throw
anything in the river?
701
00:28:47,125 --> 00:28:48,875
- No.
- Even though they said that?
702
00:28:48,959 --> 00:28:52,709
- I told them that I dropped
nothing in the river.
703
00:28:52,792 --> 00:28:55,834
One agent thought I slowed down
to one mile an hour,
704
00:28:55,917 --> 00:28:57,625
and the two agents were saying
705
00:28:57,709 --> 00:28:59,291
they were not
in a position to see.
706
00:29:00,417 --> 00:29:02,000
- Wayne holds
a press conference
707
00:29:02,083 --> 00:29:03,750
in his house.
708
00:29:03,834 --> 00:29:07,000
And he hands out his resume...
709
00:29:07,083 --> 00:29:10,000
which shows
he flies airplanes,
710
00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:13,041
and he's a race car driver,
711
00:29:13,125 --> 00:29:14,709
and all these other things,
you know, that--
712
00:29:14,792 --> 00:29:18,000
just absolute fiction.
713
00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:21,458
- Police, news reporters,
an photographers smothered
714
00:29:21,542 --> 00:29:22,917
this quiet neighborhood.
715
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,000
The police said they were
there to watch the man
716
00:29:25,083 --> 00:29:26,417
some call the prime suspect
717
00:29:26,500 --> 00:29:28,375
mostly for his own protection,
they said.
718
00:29:29,709 --> 00:29:32,417
- Williams himself did not
exactly go into hiding.
719
00:29:32,500 --> 00:29:34,125
- All right, everybody
on this property--
720
00:29:34,208 --> 00:29:36,959
I'm pressing against you two
criminal trespass charges.
721
00:29:37,041 --> 00:29:38,542
[indistinct radio chatter]
722
00:29:38,625 --> 00:29:42,000
- They released Wayne
to be hounded by media
723
00:29:42,083 --> 00:29:44,375
for the next weeks.
724
00:29:44,458 --> 00:29:46,417
[funky music]
725
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:47,917
[car horn honks]
726
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:53,417
♪ ♪
727
00:29:53,500 --> 00:29:54,959
- He dangled himself.
728
00:29:55,041 --> 00:29:57,917
It was like--it was like
he's a carrot.
729
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
"Look over here.
730
00:30:00,083 --> 00:30:01,625
Here I am."
731
00:30:01,709 --> 00:30:05,333
It's like he was waving at them,
taunting them.
732
00:30:05,417 --> 00:30:08,291
♪ ♪
733
00:30:08,375 --> 00:30:11,959
My impression of Wayne was
almost like a child,
734
00:30:12,041 --> 00:30:14,083
but parading
in big boy clothes.
735
00:30:16,208 --> 00:30:17,291
[car horn honks]
736
00:30:17,375 --> 00:30:19,291
- Hey, Wayne, where you going?
737
00:30:19,375 --> 00:30:20,709
Wayne, where you going?
738
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,959
- Whenever he leaves his home,
739
00:30:24,041 --> 00:30:27,166
agents madly scramble into
their cars and follow him.
740
00:30:27,250 --> 00:30:31,125
The first car, the FBI;
the second, the task force;
741
00:30:31,208 --> 00:30:33,625
the third, the FBI,
742
00:30:33,709 --> 00:30:35,709
and so it has gone all day.
743
00:30:37,208 --> 00:30:39,000
- Get out the way!
- Homer.
744
00:30:39,083 --> 00:30:40,125
- Yeah.
- Forget it.
745
00:30:40,208 --> 00:30:44,458
♪ ♪
746
00:30:44,542 --> 00:30:45,667
- You're gonna make a fool
of yourself
747
00:30:45,750 --> 00:30:46,917
without talking to us.
748
00:30:49,083 --> 00:30:50,291
[camera snaps]
749
00:30:50,375 --> 00:30:51,792
- Mr. Williams, can you tell us
750
00:30:51,875 --> 00:30:53,625
why you're taking pictures
of us?
751
00:30:53,709 --> 00:30:56,375
♪ ♪
752
00:30:56,458 --> 00:30:59,000
Mrs. Williams, what is
your husband doing?
753
00:30:59,083 --> 00:31:02,375
♪ ♪
754
00:31:02,458 --> 00:31:04,000
- One of the nights
that I was there,
755
00:31:04,083 --> 00:31:07,208
I heard Wayne yelling my name.
"Angelo!"
756
00:31:07,291 --> 00:31:11,083
And I go, "Oh, shit.
Oh, what do I do now?"
757
00:31:12,166 --> 00:31:13,834
He made an impassioned plea
758
00:31:13,917 --> 00:31:16,667
for the mayor to stop
all this stuff,
759
00:31:16,750 --> 00:31:18,667
and I said,
"I will pass the message."
760
00:31:18,750 --> 00:31:19,959
And I--and I did.
761
00:31:20,041 --> 00:31:22,333
- Good morning.
- How is everybody?
762
00:31:22,417 --> 00:31:23,917
- Good morning. Mr. Slaton.
- Morning.
763
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,834
Good morning.
- Morning, sir.
764
00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:27,542
- District Attorney
Lewis Slaton
765
00:31:27,625 --> 00:31:29,959
decided last night
there was not enough evidence
766
00:31:30,041 --> 00:31:31,375
to charge the man.
767
00:31:31,458 --> 00:31:32,500
- No arrest warrants
768
00:31:32,583 --> 00:31:33,917
have been contemplated
769
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:35,417
in the immediate future,
770
00:31:35,500 --> 00:31:36,709
and that's just where we stand.
771
00:31:36,792 --> 00:31:39,041
- Lewis Slaton had been
the District Attorney
772
00:31:39,125 --> 00:31:42,208
in Fulton County
for many years,
773
00:31:42,291 --> 00:31:45,667
and I think his reluctance
was due to the fact
774
00:31:45,750 --> 00:31:48,000
that he didn't have
any evidence.
775
00:31:48,083 --> 00:31:49,417
There's an old adage:
776
00:31:49,500 --> 00:31:51,208
a good prosecutor can indict
777
00:31:51,291 --> 00:31:52,542
a ham sandwich.
778
00:31:52,625 --> 00:31:53,500
Well, after you get him
779
00:31:53,583 --> 00:31:54,917
indicted,
780
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,083
what are you gonna do
if you don't have any evidence
781
00:31:57,166 --> 00:31:58,583
to support your allegation?
782
00:31:58,667 --> 00:32:00,375
[tense music]
783
00:32:00,458 --> 00:32:02,625
- The FBI wanted to arrest
this person
784
00:32:02,709 --> 00:32:04,041
in connection
with the child murders,
785
00:32:04,125 --> 00:32:06,250
but local authorities refused.
786
00:32:06,333 --> 00:32:08,542
There was a sharp disagreement
over whether or not
787
00:32:08,625 --> 00:32:10,792
arrest warrants
should be issued.
788
00:32:10,875 --> 00:32:12,959
- Lewis Slaton kept saying,
789
00:32:13,041 --> 00:32:15,583
"I don't have
sufficient evidence
790
00:32:15,667 --> 00:32:17,583
to charge Wayne Williams."
791
00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:19,208
He kept saying that publicly.
792
00:32:19,291 --> 00:32:21,375
♪ ♪
793
00:32:21,458 --> 00:32:24,250
- My sources told me
about a meeting
794
00:32:24,333 --> 00:32:25,458
at the Governor's Mansion.
795
00:32:25,542 --> 00:32:27,792
♪ ♪
796
00:32:27,875 --> 00:32:29,583
It included the FBI
797
00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:31,250
and the U.S.
Attorney's Office,
798
00:32:31,333 --> 00:32:33,041
the Georgia attorney general,
799
00:32:33,125 --> 00:32:37,166
and representatives
of the task force.
800
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:41,333
That meeting with Lewis Slaton
went on for seven hours
801
00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:42,750
on that Friday.
802
00:32:42,834 --> 00:32:46,500
[dramatic music]
803
00:32:46,583 --> 00:32:50,875
George Bush wanted the FBI
and the U.S. Attorney's Office
804
00:32:50,959 --> 00:32:54,917
and state and local officials
to be in the same room.
805
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,291
Clearly, having the meeting
at the mansion,
806
00:32:58,375 --> 00:33:00,291
there was a message.
807
00:33:00,375 --> 00:33:05,291
- Slaton's taken inside
and told...
808
00:33:05,375 --> 00:33:07,500
"We're gonna bring charges
if you don't."
809
00:33:07,583 --> 00:33:10,583
- The FBI and everybody else
810
00:33:10,667 --> 00:33:12,667
was being embarrassed
811
00:33:12,750 --> 00:33:14,291
internationally
812
00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:16,417
by the murders.
813
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:18,333
- Officer,
he's asked them to leave,
814
00:33:18,417 --> 00:33:19,542
and they refuse to leave.
815
00:33:19,625 --> 00:33:21,291
- I asked all the reporters
to leave off this yard.
816
00:33:21,375 --> 00:33:24,542
- I think that they decided
it's time to end it,
817
00:33:24,625 --> 00:33:26,875
and I think that
Wayne Williams
818
00:33:26,959 --> 00:33:28,500
got the lucky ticket.
819
00:33:28,583 --> 00:33:30,500
- Mr. Williams, why have you
asked for us to leave?
820
00:33:30,583 --> 00:33:31,709
- No comment.
821
00:33:31,792 --> 00:33:34,834
- He was being a pain
in the butt to the police.
822
00:33:34,917 --> 00:33:37,834
♪ ♪
823
00:33:37,917 --> 00:33:41,083
- ABC News has learned
Slaton yielded yesterday
824
00:33:41,166 --> 00:33:43,375
under extreme
outside pressure.
825
00:33:43,458 --> 00:33:46,250
♪ ♪
826
00:33:46,333 --> 00:33:47,500
- I will say that
827
00:33:47,583 --> 00:33:49,000
there was no...
828
00:33:49,083 --> 00:33:51,834
that pressure or politics
829
00:33:51,917 --> 00:33:56,208
did not figure in
to the timing at all.
830
00:33:56,291 --> 00:33:58,500
♪ ♪
831
00:33:58,583 --> 00:34:01,166
- It was Father's Day,
June 21st, 1981.
832
00:34:01,250 --> 00:34:03,333
I heard the door knock,
833
00:34:03,417 --> 00:34:04,375
and my mom said,
834
00:34:04,458 --> 00:34:05,375
"Wayne,
you gotta come out here.
835
00:34:05,458 --> 00:34:07,041
I need to see you."
836
00:34:07,125 --> 00:34:09,875
Walked into the family room,
and they said, "Mr. Williams."
837
00:34:09,959 --> 00:34:12,583
I said, "Yes,"
and Mary walked into the area.
838
00:34:12,667 --> 00:34:14,208
And I said,
"What's this about?"
839
00:34:14,291 --> 00:34:16,375
And she said, "Well, Wayne,
they come to arrest you.
840
00:34:16,458 --> 00:34:17,917
You need to go with 'em."
841
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,166
And...
842
00:34:20,792 --> 00:34:22,208
Everything stopped.
843
00:34:22,291 --> 00:34:24,917
My world--everything
just stopped at that point.
844
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:26,834
[solemn music]
845
00:34:26,917 --> 00:34:28,959
I-I can't even describe
how I felt.
846
00:34:30,125 --> 00:34:33,333
I can remember how my mom
started crying and all.
847
00:34:33,417 --> 00:34:35,208
I can remember that.
848
00:34:35,291 --> 00:34:40,041
And that was the longest
five minutes--
849
00:34:40,125 --> 00:34:42,250
one of the longest five minutes
of my life.
850
00:34:42,333 --> 00:34:49,375
♪ ♪
851
00:34:53,709 --> 00:34:56,792
- Williams was arrested
for the strangulation murder
852
00:34:56,875 --> 00:34:59,125
of 27-year-old
Nathaniel Cater,
853
00:34:59,208 --> 00:35:01,000
the 28th and last victim.
854
00:35:02,333 --> 00:35:04,750
- Nathaniel Cater lived
in this apartment complex
855
00:35:04,834 --> 00:35:07,083
on Verbena Street Northwest
with his father
856
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,417
up until four months
before he was murdered.
857
00:35:09,500 --> 00:35:10,542
He moved out on his own,
858
00:35:10,625 --> 00:35:12,583
but came back often
for visits.
859
00:35:12,667 --> 00:35:14,250
The apartment is
just a few blocks
860
00:35:14,333 --> 00:35:16,583
from Wayne Williams' home
on Penelope Road.
861
00:35:16,667 --> 00:35:17,959
[indistinct chatter]
862
00:35:18,041 --> 00:35:20,041
- Get out of the way there.
863
00:35:20,125 --> 00:35:21,917
[engine turns over]
864
00:35:22,000 --> 00:35:24,667
[desolate music]
865
00:35:24,750 --> 00:35:26,166
- Williams was also charged
866
00:35:26,250 --> 00:35:27,875
with the murder of
another victim,
867
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,792
21-year-old Jimmy Ray Payne.
868
00:35:29,875 --> 00:35:31,291
♪ ♪
869
00:35:31,375 --> 00:35:34,291
- Payne lived here with
his sister on Magnolia Street.
870
00:35:34,375 --> 00:35:38,250
He was last seen going to
the Omni to sell some coins.
871
00:35:38,333 --> 00:35:41,667
♪ ♪
872
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:44,125
- Once we heard that
he was being charged
873
00:35:44,208 --> 00:35:46,458
with the murder of two men,
874
00:35:46,542 --> 00:35:47,625
it all fell apart for us.
875
00:35:47,709 --> 00:35:48,625
Okay, well,
876
00:35:48,709 --> 00:35:49,834
where's the solution
877
00:35:49,917 --> 00:35:52,083
to these dozens of children?
878
00:35:52,166 --> 00:35:53,083
- You know, "That's it."
879
00:35:53,166 --> 00:35:54,083
It's--you know,
880
00:35:54,166 --> 00:35:55,083
"We found the killer,
881
00:35:55,166 --> 00:35:56,458
and that's it."
882
00:35:56,542 --> 00:35:57,625
You know,
883
00:35:57,709 --> 00:35:59,834
but that really wasn't it.
884
00:35:59,917 --> 00:36:02,250
- Some Atlanta youngsters
participating
885
00:36:02,333 --> 00:36:04,500
in the Safe Summer program
said they feel
886
00:36:04,583 --> 00:36:06,625
only a little safer now.
887
00:36:06,709 --> 00:36:11,000
- Because it was more
than one child being killed,
888
00:36:11,083 --> 00:36:13,792
and they don't know
if he killed them all.
889
00:36:13,875 --> 00:36:16,959
So it still could be
more than one killer out there.
890
00:36:17,041 --> 00:36:18,875
[somber music]
891
00:36:18,959 --> 00:36:20,542
- I'm seven years old.
892
00:36:20,625 --> 00:36:22,667
The police have made
an arrest.
893
00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:25,125
The cops had him,
taking a perp walk,
894
00:36:25,208 --> 00:36:26,333
and they showed him.
895
00:36:26,417 --> 00:36:29,125
And I'm looking,
and I don't what I--I drop
896
00:36:29,208 --> 00:36:30,583
whatever I had.
897
00:36:30,667 --> 00:36:33,041
And I'm like, "Son of a bitch.
898
00:36:34,083 --> 00:36:36,583
"That's the guy.
899
00:36:36,667 --> 00:36:38,875
"That's the guy
who was coming up the stairs
900
00:36:38,959 --> 00:36:40,000
"at Miss Willie Mae's.
901
00:36:40,083 --> 00:36:42,125
That's him."
902
00:36:42,208 --> 00:36:45,834
I had a--I this crazy sense of
calm that came over me,
903
00:36:45,917 --> 00:36:50,625
because I knew--I knew that
they had the son of a bitch.
904
00:36:50,709 --> 00:36:54,375
♪ ♪
905
00:36:54,458 --> 00:36:57,208
- I'd never tried
a murder case,
906
00:36:57,291 --> 00:37:01,041
but I knew how to put
a team together.
907
00:37:01,125 --> 00:37:03,041
- I get a call
from Mary Welcome.
908
00:37:03,125 --> 00:37:05,875
There was no other case like it
at that point in history,
909
00:37:05,959 --> 00:37:10,500
that had that many
alleged homicides involved.
910
00:37:10,583 --> 00:37:14,166
[upbeat music]
911
00:37:14,250 --> 00:37:15,959
I'm in my 30s.
912
00:37:16,041 --> 00:37:18,208
At that point,
I'd probably tried
913
00:37:18,291 --> 00:37:20,417
20 or 30 homicide cases,
914
00:37:20,500 --> 00:37:24,375
conducted hundreds
of preliminary hearings
915
00:37:24,458 --> 00:37:27,583
and several direct appeals
to the Georgia Supreme Court.
916
00:37:27,667 --> 00:37:30,583
♪ ♪
917
00:37:30,667 --> 00:37:35,250
♪ ♪
918
00:37:35,333 --> 00:37:39,417
I was well equipped to try
and defend a criminal case
919
00:37:39,500 --> 00:37:41,792
and especially a homicide case.
920
00:37:42,792 --> 00:37:46,709
- William Northrop
volunteered his time.
921
00:37:46,792 --> 00:37:48,959
- I was after the facts.
922
00:37:49,041 --> 00:37:50,583
I wanted to know
923
00:37:50,667 --> 00:37:54,083
if there was
prosecution evidence
924
00:37:54,166 --> 00:37:56,667
that could tie Wayne to
925
00:37:56,750 --> 00:38:00,208
the two murders
he was charged with.
926
00:38:00,291 --> 00:38:02,625
♪ ♪
927
00:38:02,709 --> 00:38:04,792
[cameras snapping]
928
00:38:04,875 --> 00:38:06,250
- How's it going, Wayne?
929
00:38:06,333 --> 00:38:08,333
- Wayne was an unusual person
930
00:38:08,417 --> 00:38:10,834
and a very difficult client.
931
00:38:12,333 --> 00:38:14,583
One day,
I was visiting him in jail,
932
00:38:14,667 --> 00:38:16,333
and I said, "Wayne,
is there anything
933
00:38:16,417 --> 00:38:17,959
that I can get for you?"
934
00:38:18,041 --> 00:38:22,166
He said he wanted to see
his boys in his band.
935
00:38:23,333 --> 00:38:24,792
I said, "You don't need this."
936
00:38:24,875 --> 00:38:27,417
But it was just easier
to give in.
937
00:38:27,500 --> 00:38:30,417
[upbeat R&B music]
938
00:38:30,500 --> 00:38:33,875
♪ ♪
939
00:38:33,959 --> 00:38:35,291
Young men came in.
940
00:38:35,375 --> 00:38:38,125
He told them, "Are you keeping
your grades up?
941
00:38:38,208 --> 00:38:39,834
"Are you practicing?
942
00:38:39,917 --> 00:38:42,458
"We need to figure out
what kind of uniforms
943
00:38:42,542 --> 00:38:44,333
you're gonna have
for the band."
944
00:38:44,417 --> 00:38:48,291
His focus was everywhere
but on...
945
00:38:48,375 --> 00:38:49,542
on this case.
946
00:38:51,083 --> 00:38:52,458
[door closes]
947
00:38:52,542 --> 00:38:54,000
It was--it was difficult.
948
00:38:56,083 --> 00:38:57,792
- What's the next step
at this point?
949
00:38:57,875 --> 00:39:00,208
[indistinct chatter]
950
00:39:00,291 --> 00:39:02,333
- Well, I'm not making
any comments at all.
951
00:39:02,417 --> 00:39:06,125
Tony, I think,
wanted to have...control.
952
00:39:06,208 --> 00:39:07,667
He wanted to call the shots.
953
00:39:07,750 --> 00:39:11,333
He said, "The more time
we give the prosecution,
954
00:39:11,417 --> 00:39:13,375
"the more time they are
going to be able
955
00:39:13,458 --> 00:39:14,959
to tighten up their case."
956
00:39:15,041 --> 00:39:18,667
My position was:
we need to slow this case down.
957
00:39:18,750 --> 00:39:20,709
This was my client,
958
00:39:20,792 --> 00:39:23,166
and I was not giving up
control
959
00:39:23,250 --> 00:39:25,792
of the overall strategy.
960
00:39:25,875 --> 00:39:29,083
It really became
confrontational.
961
00:39:31,542 --> 00:39:34,500
Wayne's position is:
neither of you are in control.
962
00:39:34,583 --> 00:39:35,667
[laughs]
963
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:36,750
I control.
964
00:39:38,166 --> 00:39:40,375
- Three months before
the trial started,
965
00:39:40,458 --> 00:39:43,166
Mary and Wayne
made the decision that
966
00:39:43,250 --> 00:39:44,625
they would try the case
without me.
967
00:39:45,750 --> 00:39:49,750
Wayne was the man
behind the curtain,
968
00:39:49,834 --> 00:39:51,291
full of himself.
969
00:39:52,917 --> 00:39:55,500
I had never been with someone
970
00:39:55,583 --> 00:39:57,709
at that young age
971
00:39:57,792 --> 00:39:59,750
that had that much control
972
00:39:59,834 --> 00:40:01,875
with saying,
"This is who I am,"
973
00:40:01,959 --> 00:40:03,917
and then say,
"No, that's not who I am.
974
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,458
Let me just tell you who I am."
975
00:40:06,458 --> 00:40:09,166
Playing the part
several different ways,
976
00:40:09,250 --> 00:40:11,333
I'd never had that happen
before.
977
00:40:12,542 --> 00:40:14,250
- Wayne Williams had fired
Tony Axam,
978
00:40:14,333 --> 00:40:15,709
who was a very good lawyer.
979
00:40:15,792 --> 00:40:18,166
So we were a little bit
baffled by that,
980
00:40:18,250 --> 00:40:20,417
'cause this was in October,
981
00:40:20,500 --> 00:40:23,291
and by that time,
the trial was now scheduled
982
00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,417
to start
at the end of December.
983
00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:29,083
- Joe Drolet is well known
for his knowledge of case law.
984
00:40:29,166 --> 00:40:31,083
He's expected to play
a major role
985
00:40:31,166 --> 00:40:33,041
in the examination
of witnesses,
986
00:40:33,125 --> 00:40:35,458
making sure
the prosecution's every move
987
00:40:35,542 --> 00:40:38,041
is on firm legal ground.
988
00:40:38,125 --> 00:40:40,750
- The strategy was
to present the evidence
989
00:40:40,834 --> 00:40:43,959
in such a way that the jury
would understand
990
00:40:44,041 --> 00:40:45,917
the significance of it
991
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:48,875
and know that all these
things together
992
00:40:48,959 --> 00:40:51,125
pointed directly
at Wayne Williams.
993
00:40:52,792 --> 00:40:55,709
[dynamic music]
994
00:40:55,792 --> 00:40:59,208
♪ ♪
995
00:40:59,291 --> 00:41:02,166
[indistinct chatter]
996
00:41:02,250 --> 00:41:04,250
- Good morning.
- Good morning, Mary.
997
00:41:04,333 --> 00:41:05,792
- Good morning.
How are you?
998
00:41:05,875 --> 00:41:07,500
Good morning.
Good morning.
999
00:41:07,583 --> 00:41:09,792
- Even Ms. Welcome admits
her experience
1000
00:41:09,875 --> 00:41:13,250
as a criminal trial lawyer
is not particularly impressive.
1001
00:41:13,333 --> 00:41:15,500
So she was joined
on the defense team
1002
00:41:15,583 --> 00:41:19,500
by Alvin Binder
of Jackson, Mississippi.
1003
00:41:19,583 --> 00:41:21,333
His horn-rimmed glasses,
cigar,
1004
00:41:21,417 --> 00:41:24,500
and somewhat brusque manner
had become his trademarks.
1005
00:41:26,041 --> 00:41:28,125
- Delay the start of the trial?
- No, sir.
1006
00:41:28,208 --> 00:41:29,458
- Al Binder came in...
1007
00:41:29,542 --> 00:41:31,792
- When the judge bangs
that gavel, we'll be ready.
1008
00:41:31,875 --> 00:41:33,583
- Good ol' Southern boy...
- I hope.
1009
00:41:33,667 --> 00:41:35,625
- And he said, "This is the way
I'm gonna handle this.
1010
00:41:35,709 --> 00:41:37,959
"I'm gonna go in and say,"
1011
00:41:38,041 --> 00:41:40,792
you know, "How dare you,"
you know,
1012
00:41:40,875 --> 00:41:42,875
"do this to a human being?
1013
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:44,375
"And this is unjust,
1014
00:41:44,458 --> 00:41:46,667
and this is a violation
of his rights."
1015
00:41:46,750 --> 00:41:48,417
He was dynamic.
1016
00:41:48,500 --> 00:41:51,375
And we said, "You go, person."
1017
00:41:54,583 --> 00:41:57,000
- In Atlanta, Wayne Williams
goes on trial today
1018
00:41:57,083 --> 00:41:59,875
charged with committing two
of the 28 murders
1019
00:41:59,959 --> 00:42:01,458
that terrorized that city.
1020
00:42:01,542 --> 00:42:04,000
We have more from Bonnie Erbé.
1021
00:42:04,083 --> 00:42:06,542
- Today's opening of
the trial of Wayne Williams,
1022
00:42:06,625 --> 00:42:09,250
the only person charged
with any of slayings,
1023
00:42:09,333 --> 00:42:11,959
will churn emotions
in a city almost healed.
1024
00:42:12,041 --> 00:42:13,834
[solemn music]
1025
00:42:13,917 --> 00:42:16,208
- 15 deputies assigned
to the Williams trial
1026
00:42:16,291 --> 00:42:18,333
had been given
special medical training
1027
00:42:18,417 --> 00:42:20,709
to help them deal
with any emergency
1028
00:42:20,792 --> 00:42:22,333
which might come up.
1029
00:42:22,417 --> 00:42:24,333
Trauma training, could this be
1030
00:42:24,417 --> 00:42:25,875
in case there was
an explosion?
1031
00:42:25,959 --> 00:42:28,458
You are preparing yourself
for that possibility?
1032
00:42:28,542 --> 00:42:29,875
- Yes,
we are preparing for that,
1033
00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:32,583
but it was still
just a basic first aid course.
1034
00:42:32,667 --> 00:42:35,000
[siren wailing]
1035
00:42:35,083 --> 00:42:36,583
- When the trial started,
1036
00:42:36,667 --> 00:42:39,667
it was sort of
a surreal experience,
1037
00:42:39,750 --> 00:42:43,083
because...it almost felt like
1038
00:42:43,166 --> 00:42:46,083
I was in a trial in a movie.
1039
00:42:46,166 --> 00:42:48,375
And I know that
all these people are actors,
1040
00:42:48,458 --> 00:42:50,041
and I'm an actor too.
1041
00:42:50,125 --> 00:42:51,417
- Good morning.
How are you?
1042
00:42:51,500 --> 00:42:53,875
- You're becoming
the Diana Ross of Atlanta.
1043
00:42:53,959 --> 00:42:55,709
- [laughs]
- What did--what did you say?
1044
00:42:55,792 --> 00:42:58,208
- Are you becoming
the Diana Ross of Atlanta?
1045
00:42:58,291 --> 00:43:00,208
- Um, no.
- Every time I run into you--
1046
00:43:00,291 --> 00:43:02,208
- Every time I check my purse,
I don't have her money.
1047
00:43:02,291 --> 00:43:03,208
- [laughs]
1048
00:43:03,291 --> 00:43:06,583
[dramatic music]
1049
00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:08,750
- On a big day like this,
they make extra seats
1050
00:43:08,834 --> 00:43:10,083
in the courtroom for the press.
1051
00:43:10,166 --> 00:43:12,917
So they're only about
50 available for spectators.
1052
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:16,250
- Stay in line.
Stay single file.
1053
00:43:16,333 --> 00:43:17,291
- At 7:00 this morning,
1054
00:43:17,375 --> 00:43:18,917
there were more
than 300 people
1055
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,083
crammed in this lobby,
1056
00:43:20,166 --> 00:43:23,125
hoping to get a shot
at one of those seats.
1057
00:43:23,208 --> 00:43:25,625
Also here, three mothers
whose children are
1058
00:43:25,709 --> 00:43:27,750
on the task force list.
1059
00:43:27,834 --> 00:43:30,417
- I don't think I would
forget that feeling,
1060
00:43:30,500 --> 00:43:34,750
because you're talking
about hundreds of people.
1061
00:43:34,834 --> 00:43:36,500
You couldn't hear nothing.
1062
00:43:37,834 --> 00:43:41,458
You could hear
all these breathing voices.
1063
00:43:42,834 --> 00:43:46,917
And then you had
the cameras in the courthouse.
1064
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,959
And, um--and then reporters
wanted to hear from us
1065
00:43:51,041 --> 00:43:54,041
once they found out that
we was the parents, you know.
1066
00:43:54,125 --> 00:43:55,458
So when we came out
the courthouse,
1067
00:43:55,542 --> 00:43:57,709
you know, soon as we stepped
out the room, they start,
1068
00:43:57,792 --> 00:44:00,291
you know, putting the cameras
all in our faces.
1069
00:44:00,375 --> 00:44:02,625
- If he get charged
for the two killings
1070
00:44:02,709 --> 00:44:05,458
that they are charging
him with,
1071
00:44:05,542 --> 00:44:07,250
what about the other kids?
1072
00:44:07,333 --> 00:44:09,458
The other 27 kids.
1073
00:44:09,542 --> 00:44:11,625
[indistinct chatter]
1074
00:44:11,709 --> 00:44:14,291
That's--that's what
I would like to know.
1075
00:44:14,375 --> 00:44:17,792
What they gonna do
about the other kids?
1076
00:44:17,875 --> 00:44:20,250
- I was asked several times,
did I know any of the victims.
1077
00:44:20,333 --> 00:44:22,917
No, I didn't.
I've never met any of them.
1078
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:24,917
I didn't kill Nathaniel Cater,
1079
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,250
Jimmy Ray Payne,
or anybody else.
1080
00:44:28,333 --> 00:44:30,000
There basically was
no evidence against me.
1081
00:44:30,083 --> 00:44:31,625
I hadn't killed anybody.
1082
00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:33,166
[indistinct chatter]
1083
00:44:33,250 --> 00:44:37,792
- During the trial, I was under
a lot of pressure, stress.
1084
00:44:37,875 --> 00:44:40,625
- What time did you guys get
down here this morning?
1085
00:44:40,709 --> 00:44:43,500
- 6:30.
- When'd you get down here?
1086
00:44:43,583 --> 00:44:45,834
I remember one time
that we went to court,
1087
00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:47,834
there was a table
1088
00:44:47,917 --> 00:44:51,917
with one chair behind it
for me...
1089
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,208
and all these white men
in suits.
1090
00:44:56,291 --> 00:44:59,333
And I looked at that,
and I said, "Oh, my God.
1091
00:44:59,417 --> 00:45:02,834
What am I gonna have
to contend with?"
1092
00:45:02,917 --> 00:45:05,875
[despondent music]
1093
00:45:05,959 --> 00:45:10,000
♪ ♪
1094
00:45:10,083 --> 00:45:12,375
- In Atlanta today,
the jury in the murder trial
1095
00:45:12,458 --> 00:45:14,417
of Wayne Williams was
led to the bridge
1096
00:45:14,500 --> 00:45:17,375
from which Williams allegedly
disposed of the body
1097
00:45:17,458 --> 00:45:18,583
of one of the victims.
1098
00:45:18,667 --> 00:45:21,083
♪ ♪
1099
00:45:21,166 --> 00:45:22,417
- Judge Cooper allowed us
1100
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:25,875
to take the jury
to the bridge.
1101
00:45:25,959 --> 00:45:29,375
We wanted the jury to visualize
our argument,
1102
00:45:29,458 --> 00:45:32,583
that Wayne could not have
1103
00:45:32,667 --> 00:45:34,583
stopped on the bridge.
1104
00:45:34,667 --> 00:45:37,333
♪ ♪
1105
00:45:37,417 --> 00:45:39,041
- The took us out
on the bridge.
1106
00:45:39,125 --> 00:45:40,000
They showed us where they
1107
00:45:40,083 --> 00:45:42,792
thought the splash happened.
1108
00:45:42,875 --> 00:45:46,417
They showed us where they
apprehended him out there.
1109
00:45:46,500 --> 00:45:49,709
♪ ♪
1110
00:45:49,792 --> 00:45:51,625
- Why was Wayne Williams
on the bridge?
1111
00:45:53,208 --> 00:45:56,583
Wayne claims he's out there
to see Cheryl Johnson.
1112
00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:59,166
The mysterious Cheryl Johnson
that no one
1113
00:45:59,250 --> 00:46:02,250
has ever found in 38 years.
1114
00:46:02,333 --> 00:46:04,834
He crossed the bridge
'cause he was dropping a body.
1115
00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:07,750
- Picture this in your mind.
1116
00:46:07,834 --> 00:46:09,875
He'd have to get
out of the car,
1117
00:46:09,959 --> 00:46:11,625
go to the back of the car,
1118
00:46:11,709 --> 00:46:14,917
open the trunk,
pull the body out,
1119
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:16,291
toss it over the bridge,
1120
00:46:16,375 --> 00:46:19,250
and then get back in
his car...
1121
00:46:19,333 --> 00:46:21,792
close the trunk
and close his door
1122
00:46:21,875 --> 00:46:22,875
and then go up.
1123
00:46:22,959 --> 00:46:25,625
Now you--just imagine how long
that would take.
1124
00:46:27,166 --> 00:46:30,291
At the trial,
the officers testified
1125
00:46:30,375 --> 00:46:33,291
they never saw
the car stopped.
1126
00:46:33,375 --> 00:46:35,792
♪ ♪
1127
00:46:35,875 --> 00:46:38,291
- The defense contends
that this expansion joint
1128
00:46:38,375 --> 00:46:40,625
in the bridge would have
alerted police lookouts
1129
00:46:40,709 --> 00:46:42,458
to the presence
of Williams' car
1130
00:46:42,542 --> 00:46:44,875
before he had the chance
to dump a body,
1131
00:46:44,959 --> 00:46:46,375
if in fact he did.
1132
00:46:48,083 --> 00:46:50,625
- There is a separation
in that bridge
1133
00:46:50,709 --> 00:46:52,709
where you could hear
"ka-plunk."
1134
00:46:54,208 --> 00:46:56,125
- Every time a car
went over that bridge--
1135
00:46:56,208 --> 00:46:58,125
and we checked this all out--
1136
00:46:58,208 --> 00:46:59,792
greater than five miles
an hour, it went,
1137
00:46:59,875 --> 00:47:01,041
"ka-clank, ka-clank."
1138
00:47:01,125 --> 00:47:03,959
[thudding]
1139
00:47:04,041 --> 00:47:06,500
It drove the cops
under the bridge to go crazy.
1140
00:47:06,583 --> 00:47:08,834
They heard no clank that night,
1141
00:47:08,917 --> 00:47:10,959
which means he coasted
onto the bridge
1142
00:47:11,041 --> 00:47:13,000
going under five miles an hour.
1143
00:47:14,166 --> 00:47:15,166
When they looked up
on the bridge,
1144
00:47:15,250 --> 00:47:16,458
the headlights weren't moving.
1145
00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:18,417
So the car must have
been stopped.
1146
00:47:19,709 --> 00:47:20,834
And he gets out, and he...
1147
00:47:20,917 --> 00:47:21,834
[whistles]
1148
00:47:21,917 --> 00:47:23,709
Just pulls the body
out of the trunk
1149
00:47:23,792 --> 00:47:26,041
and just drags him,
throws him off the bridge.
1150
00:47:26,125 --> 00:47:27,667
[water trickling]
1151
00:47:27,750 --> 00:47:29,166
Then after the splash,
1152
00:47:29,250 --> 00:47:30,709
the headlights started
to move slowly.
1153
00:47:30,792 --> 00:47:32,875
[insects chirping]
1154
00:47:32,959 --> 00:47:35,000
- I mean, do you know
what deadweight is like?
1155
00:47:35,083 --> 00:47:37,583
I couldn't imagine
Wayne picking up deadweight,
1156
00:47:37,667 --> 00:47:39,834
because he was a small person
in stature,
1157
00:47:39,917 --> 00:47:41,792
and he didn't have muscles.
1158
00:47:41,875 --> 00:47:44,166
- He didn't have to pick
the body up.
1159
00:47:44,250 --> 00:47:46,667
He just had to drag
the foot over out the back of
1160
00:47:46,750 --> 00:47:48,208
the station wagon.
1161
00:47:48,291 --> 00:47:50,208
You don't have to pick it up.
You have to drag it.
1162
00:47:50,291 --> 00:47:52,500
You can drag--I can drag
anybody in this room.
1163
00:47:52,583 --> 00:47:55,166
- I know a guy in the FBI
that's about Wayne's size,
1164
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:57,208
and he's the strongest man
I ever met in my life.
1165
00:47:57,291 --> 00:47:59,375
- Listen, man, you know
a lot of strong guys
1166
00:47:59,458 --> 00:48:00,667
that are really tiny guys.
1167
00:48:00,750 --> 00:48:02,959
Strength got nothing to do
with your size.
1168
00:48:04,166 --> 00:48:05,250
- I have no question
in my mind that he could have
1169
00:48:05,333 --> 00:48:08,417
leveraged a body
over the bridge.
1170
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:12,542
The guardrails of the bridge
were only 2 1/2, 3 feet high.
1171
00:48:12,625 --> 00:48:15,041
- Wayne had chosen his bridge
carefully.
1172
00:48:15,125 --> 00:48:17,041
He probably used that bridge
before.
1173
00:48:17,125 --> 00:48:19,208
[dramatic music]
1174
00:48:19,291 --> 00:48:21,291
- Had I have tried that case,
1175
00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:24,041
we would have had
a 160-pound pig
1176
00:48:24,125 --> 00:48:26,333
in the courtroom, dead.
1177
00:48:26,417 --> 00:48:29,208
I would have had Wayne stand up
in front of the jury
1178
00:48:29,291 --> 00:48:32,291
with a barrier erected
the size of that bridge
1179
00:48:32,375 --> 00:48:36,208
and watch you try to lift
160 pounds of deadweight,
1180
00:48:36,291 --> 00:48:37,667
throw it over a bridge.
1181
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:41,041
♪ ♪
1182
00:48:41,125 --> 00:48:43,458
- They wanted to believe
I was some type of Superman
1183
00:48:43,542 --> 00:48:46,625
that could kidnap somebody,
1184
00:48:46,709 --> 00:48:48,792
kill them in my house, car,
or wherever,
1185
00:48:48,875 --> 00:48:51,083
put 'em back in this car
and go dump the bodies
1186
00:48:51,166 --> 00:48:52,625
without any evidence
being left.
1187
00:48:52,709 --> 00:48:54,417
Come on, that's ridiculous.
1188
00:48:54,500 --> 00:48:57,500
- Defense attorneys launched
an aggressive attack on
1189
00:48:57,583 --> 00:49:00,041
prosecution evidence today
as testimony started
1190
00:49:00,125 --> 00:49:02,583
in the Atlanta murder trial
of Wayne Williams.
1191
00:49:02,667 --> 00:49:04,959
A medical examiner today
took the stand
1192
00:49:05,041 --> 00:49:06,792
and conceded that
he could not prove
1193
00:49:06,875 --> 00:49:10,208
that one of Williams' alleged
victims was indeed murdered.
1194
00:49:11,792 --> 00:49:14,125
- First thing I wanted to do
was find out
1195
00:49:14,208 --> 00:49:17,250
whether we really did have
a legal, medical murder.
1196
00:49:17,333 --> 00:49:20,417
[ominous music]
1197
00:49:20,500 --> 00:49:23,959
It was clearly evident
Nathaniel Cater had been
1198
00:49:24,041 --> 00:49:26,667
in the water
more than two days.
1199
00:49:26,750 --> 00:49:28,083
♪ ♪
1200
00:49:28,166 --> 00:49:30,834
If you look at
the medical examiner's report,
1201
00:49:30,917 --> 00:49:35,458
it says he's been in the water
for at least a week.
1202
00:49:35,542 --> 00:49:37,917
A police recruit
heard a splash,
1203
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:42,166
and two days later,
Cater's body was found.
1204
00:49:42,250 --> 00:49:44,417
♪ ♪
1205
00:49:44,500 --> 00:49:46,583
Two days?
No.
1206
00:49:48,208 --> 00:49:50,583
Far, far more.
1207
00:49:50,667 --> 00:49:53,625
- Medical examiners can tell
whether a body has been
1208
00:49:53,709 --> 00:49:57,000
in the water
for more than two days.
1209
00:49:57,083 --> 00:49:59,166
You can tell
by the decomposition.
1210
00:50:00,750 --> 00:50:03,458
Two days to a week-plus,
1211
00:50:03,542 --> 00:50:05,291
that's absolutely
too far apart.
1212
00:50:05,375 --> 00:50:07,333
♪ ♪
1213
00:50:07,417 --> 00:50:09,125
Somebody is lying.
1214
00:50:09,208 --> 00:50:10,709
It doesn't make sense.
1215
00:50:12,083 --> 00:50:14,834
- Let me specifically
point out something.
1216
00:50:14,917 --> 00:50:17,166
I mean, it's pretty clear.
1217
00:50:17,250 --> 00:50:21,709
Dr. Zaki says, "summation of
autopsy findings for
1218
00:50:21,792 --> 00:50:25,041
Jimmy Ray Payne"--
the second victim--
1219
00:50:25,125 --> 00:50:28,667
"had it not been
for other killings,
1220
00:50:28,750 --> 00:50:31,333
he "in all probability
would have ruled the death
1221
00:50:31,417 --> 00:50:32,750
an accidental drowning."
1222
00:50:34,583 --> 00:50:37,959
Jimmy Ray Payne was
21 years old.
1223
00:50:39,250 --> 00:50:42,250
He was found floating
in the Chattahoochee.
1224
00:50:43,750 --> 00:50:46,458
He was in the typical floater
position,
1225
00:50:46,542 --> 00:50:50,125
which is the position your body
absorbs when you drown.
1226
00:50:51,125 --> 00:50:53,709
He'd been in the water
for quite some time.
1227
00:50:53,792 --> 00:50:56,500
He had skin slippage,
which means that
1228
00:50:56,583 --> 00:50:59,500
the outside layer
of the skin dissolved.
1229
00:51:01,083 --> 00:51:03,750
He was found in swim trunks.
1230
00:51:03,834 --> 00:51:06,125
Seemed to me that he drowned.
1231
00:51:07,125 --> 00:51:10,041
I didn't believe that this was
1232
00:51:10,125 --> 00:51:13,333
a legal, medical murder.
1233
00:51:13,417 --> 00:51:16,875
- Dr. Saleh Zaki admitted
he could not positively say
1234
00:51:16,959 --> 00:51:18,250
Jimmy Ray Payne was dead
1235
00:51:18,333 --> 00:51:20,041
when he entered
the Chattahoochee River.
1236
00:51:20,125 --> 00:51:21,500
During cross-examination,
1237
00:51:21,583 --> 00:51:23,917
Alvin Binder asked Zaki,
quote,
1238
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,792
"You cannot say that man
was not alive
1239
00:51:26,875 --> 00:51:28,250
when he entered the water?"
1240
00:51:28,333 --> 00:51:31,166
Zaki said,
"Based on the autopsy, no."
1241
00:51:32,458 --> 00:51:34,750
- Jimmy Ray Payne's autopsy
1242
00:51:34,834 --> 00:51:37,625
was first listed
as undetermined.
1243
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,083
And then it was changed
1244
00:51:41,166 --> 00:51:42,083
to homicide.
1245
00:51:42,166 --> 00:51:45,709
Dr. Saleh Zaki allegedly
1246
00:51:45,792 --> 00:51:47,959
changed the cause of death
1247
00:51:48,041 --> 00:51:50,000
after Wayne was arrested,
1248
00:51:50,083 --> 00:51:53,125
due to pressure
from prosecutors.
1249
00:51:54,667 --> 00:51:57,083
- He changes it
because it was wrong.
1250
00:51:57,166 --> 00:52:00,291
Because there were two
different death certificates,
1251
00:52:00,375 --> 00:52:03,375
it became a huge argument
for the defense.
1252
00:52:03,458 --> 00:52:05,166
♪ ♪
1253
00:52:05,250 --> 00:52:07,875
- I've practiced law
for over 40-plus years.
1254
00:52:09,166 --> 00:52:13,500
That is the only case
that I have a memory of
1255
00:52:13,583 --> 00:52:16,125
where the autopsy was changed
1256
00:52:16,208 --> 00:52:19,959
from undetermined
to a homicide.
1257
00:52:20,041 --> 00:52:21,000
It is so rare.
1258
00:52:21,083 --> 00:52:23,333
It is an extraordinarily rare
occurrence.
1259
00:52:23,417 --> 00:52:24,792
- How you doing?
- Hello.
1260
00:52:24,875 --> 00:52:29,291
- We're only fighting
two alleged murder cases
1261
00:52:29,375 --> 00:52:31,625
at this point in time.
1262
00:52:31,709 --> 00:52:33,709
So we felt pretty safe.
1263
00:52:34,875 --> 00:52:36,792
- Williams is charged
only with two of
1264
00:52:36,875 --> 00:52:39,667
the 28 murders on
the special task force list,
1265
00:52:39,750 --> 00:52:41,959
but the prosecution
wants to introduce evidence
1266
00:52:42,041 --> 00:52:44,500
linking Williams
to ten additional victims,
1267
00:52:44,583 --> 00:52:47,250
including one whose name
was never on the list.
1268
00:52:47,333 --> 00:52:48,792
♪ ♪
1269
00:52:48,875 --> 00:52:50,709
- Big mistake.
1270
00:52:50,792 --> 00:52:53,709
[dramatic music]
1271
00:52:53,792 --> 00:53:00,792
♪ ♪
1272
00:53:28,792 --> 00:53:30,792
[bright tone]
1273
00:53:32,875 --> 00:53:34,583
MAN: The state built its case
1274
00:53:34,917 --> 00:53:37,500
that if Wayne Williams
killed one,
1275
00:53:37,959 --> 00:53:39,125
he killed them all.
1276
00:53:39,917 --> 00:53:41,959
MAN 2: The prosecution claimed
that the fiber
1277
00:53:42,041 --> 00:53:43,417
in Wayne's carpet was rare.
1278
00:53:43,500 --> 00:53:44,667
It was all fake math,
1279
00:53:44,750 --> 00:53:47,041
and they presented it
to the jury as hard facts.
1280
00:53:47,125 --> 00:53:49,208
OFFICER: Twenty-three cases
were boxed up.
1281
00:53:49,291 --> 00:53:51,291
That is shockingly negligent.
1282
00:53:51,375 --> 00:53:55,750
There was somebody interfering
in the decision-making process.
1283
00:53:55,834 --> 00:53:57,375
MAN 3: He dropped
a body off a bridge,
1284
00:53:57,458 --> 00:53:59,750
he got convicted,
he's gonna die in prison.
1285
00:54:00,417 --> 00:54:01,875
That's a success story.
1286
00:54:01,959 --> 00:54:03,792
♪ (TENSE MUSIC PLAYS) ♪
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