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Enjoy! 1 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:16,469 On September 8th, 1966, 2 00:00:16,569 --> 00:00:19,839 America tunes in to catch a glimpse of the future 3 00:00:19,939 --> 00:00:23,076 and launches a global phenomenon. 4 00:00:23,176 --> 00:00:25,913 A television series like no other 5 00:00:26,013 --> 00:00:27,480 that unites us in its vision 6 00:00:27,580 --> 00:00:29,049 of a better world to come. 7 00:00:29,149 --> 00:00:32,485 - Here's a group of people who are solving problems together, 8 00:00:32,585 --> 00:00:34,221 and they're all different, diverse people. 9 00:00:34,321 --> 00:00:37,857 This is the secret history of "Star Trek." 10 00:00:37,957 --> 00:00:39,993 It's epic 50-year mission. 11 00:00:40,093 --> 00:00:41,761 - That was what was so brilliant about "Star Trek" 12 00:00:41,861 --> 00:00:44,932 was that it was human nature and human instinct 13 00:00:45,032 --> 00:00:47,467 and the drive to want to know more 14 00:00:47,567 --> 00:00:49,269 combined with adventure. 15 00:00:49,369 --> 00:00:51,939 The mastermind of the "Star Trek" universe. 16 00:00:52,039 --> 00:00:54,507 - And Gene says, "Do you want to be on Star Trek?" 17 00:00:54,607 --> 00:00:58,145 I said, "Yes. Yes!" 18 00:00:58,245 --> 00:01:00,347 The cast and crew reveal the stories 19 00:01:00,447 --> 00:01:01,681 you've never heard. 20 00:01:01,781 --> 00:01:03,050 - Roddenberry looked at the beard and goes, 21 00:01:03,150 --> 00:01:05,485 "I love the beard. It's nautical." 22 00:01:05,585 --> 00:01:09,022 Plus Leonard Nimoy's final full interview. 23 00:01:09,122 --> 00:01:11,158 - If I were given the choice of any character 24 00:01:11,258 --> 00:01:14,928 ever portrayed on television, I would choose Spock. 25 00:01:15,028 --> 00:01:16,329 - Happy anniversary, "Star Trek." 26 00:01:16,429 --> 00:01:18,531 Happy 50th. Wow, way to go. 27 00:01:18,631 --> 00:01:20,934 - Before anybody else were touching on subjects, 28 00:01:21,034 --> 00:01:23,736 racism, segregation, discrimination, 29 00:01:23,836 --> 00:01:25,638 before any other TV shows did. 30 00:01:25,738 --> 00:01:28,541 - "Star Trek: Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 31 00:01:28,641 --> 00:01:30,077 - There's an optimism to it 32 00:01:30,177 --> 00:01:32,445 that I think we've never needed more than now. 33 00:01:32,545 --> 00:01:34,247 - Seven of Nine's one of my favorite "Star Trek" characters 34 00:01:34,347 --> 00:01:35,782 because she was so hot. 35 00:01:35,882 --> 00:01:38,551 Featuring an intimate conversation with cast members, 36 00:01:38,651 --> 00:01:41,254 comedians, scientists, and academics 37 00:01:41,354 --> 00:01:43,423 covering all things "Star Trek." 38 00:01:43,523 --> 00:01:45,592 - That was one of my big fears in accepting the role. 39 00:01:45,692 --> 00:01:48,828 - Happy 50th anniversary, "Star Trek." 40 00:01:48,928 --> 00:01:50,563 You know how old that makes me? 41 00:01:50,663 --> 00:01:54,134 "50 Years of 'Star Trek." 42 00:01:57,537 --> 00:02:00,273 - We're here on the 50th anniversary of "Star Trek" 43 00:02:00,373 --> 00:02:02,475 at the Griffith Observatory 44 00:02:02,575 --> 00:02:04,777 outside the Leonard Nimoy theater 45 00:02:04,877 --> 00:02:08,615 to discuss "Star Trek" with a lot of great people 46 00:02:08,715 --> 00:02:10,717 and a lot of fine minds and Kevin Pollak. 47 00:02:13,052 --> 00:02:14,988 Let's just jump right into it. 48 00:02:15,088 --> 00:02:18,058 Let's talk about the general impact of "Star Trek." 49 00:02:18,158 --> 00:02:21,228 - The great sense of discovery and curiosity 50 00:02:21,328 --> 00:02:24,131 on this five-year mission to seek out new worlds. 51 00:02:24,231 --> 00:02:25,632 You know, those--those-- 52 00:02:25,732 --> 00:02:28,235 that phraseology was kind of impactful. 53 00:02:28,335 --> 00:02:30,537 - "The Measure of Man" where Data's on trial, 54 00:02:30,637 --> 00:02:33,273 that's the episode that led me to create my class. 55 00:02:33,373 --> 00:02:34,507 - Oh, wow. - Because it has references 56 00:02:34,607 --> 00:02:36,309 to slavery in it, and I thought about, 57 00:02:36,409 --> 00:02:37,744 "Gee, this is very interesting." 58 00:02:37,844 --> 00:02:40,047 You know, there's a whole pro-slavery argument. 59 00:02:40,147 --> 00:02:42,715 It's really the Dred Scott decision worked out there. 60 00:02:42,815 --> 00:02:44,284 - Yeah. - Is Data property or not? 61 00:02:44,384 --> 00:02:45,885 - I saw a couple of episodes 62 00:02:45,985 --> 00:02:47,454 of the original series when I was a kid 63 00:02:47,554 --> 00:02:50,190 because you can't not have seen some things. 64 00:02:50,290 --> 00:02:51,791 I saw the Tribble episode, I think, 65 00:02:51,891 --> 00:02:54,994 and I saw the planet of kids, "grups." 66 00:02:55,094 --> 00:02:56,129 And they were saying, "Grups, grups," that one. 67 00:02:56,229 --> 00:02:57,497 Whatever. - Yeah. 68 00:02:57,597 --> 00:02:59,532 - But I was never a sci-fi fan, so I wasn't into it. 69 00:02:59,632 --> 00:03:01,701 And I never watched any of the other incarnations 70 00:03:01,801 --> 00:03:02,802 until I was on the show. 71 00:03:02,902 --> 00:03:05,305 - I saw "Star Trek" as this, you know, 72 00:03:05,405 --> 00:03:07,640 amazing way of bringing humanity together, right? 73 00:03:07,740 --> 00:03:09,209 You had the height of the Cold War. 74 00:03:09,309 --> 00:03:11,444 You had a Russian and American people working together. 75 00:03:11,544 --> 00:03:14,314 You had black people and white people working together. 76 00:03:14,414 --> 00:03:16,449 That's an incredible thing to see as a kid 77 00:03:16,549 --> 00:03:19,486 when, you know, you're from two worlds 78 00:03:19,586 --> 00:03:21,521 that really also don't get along. 79 00:03:21,621 --> 00:03:22,889 - I first started on the original series, 80 00:03:22,989 --> 00:03:24,624 my mother was a big fan, and those were reruns 81 00:03:24,724 --> 00:03:25,892 that were happening at the time. 82 00:03:25,992 --> 00:03:28,295 It was right before "Next Generation" started 83 00:03:28,395 --> 00:03:30,363 and it was--I just always was fascinated 84 00:03:30,463 --> 00:03:32,599 by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness. 85 00:03:32,699 --> 00:03:34,867 That relationship with Spock I thought was amazing. 86 00:03:34,967 --> 00:03:36,803 He just was, like, "I can't stand you, 87 00:03:36,903 --> 00:03:38,171 but I love you." - Yeah. 88 00:03:38,271 --> 00:03:40,173 - And I was like, "Oh, that's my family." 89 00:03:41,508 --> 00:03:43,810 I understand everything from "Star Trek." 90 00:03:43,910 --> 00:03:45,212 - Yes. - You know, it's funny 91 00:03:45,312 --> 00:03:47,880 because I wasn't allowed to watch TV 92 00:03:47,980 --> 00:03:49,449 when "Star Trek" was on the air. 93 00:03:49,549 --> 00:03:51,050 My parents wouldn't let me watch it. 94 00:03:51,150 --> 00:03:53,653 So I snuck downstairs and I turned on the TV. 95 00:03:53,753 --> 00:03:57,490 And, uh, that was my first-- the first time I saw the show. 96 00:03:57,590 --> 00:03:59,559 I think it was, um, "This Side of Paradise" 97 00:03:59,659 --> 00:04:00,827 was the episode. - Oh. 98 00:04:00,927 --> 00:04:04,297 - And you could tell that whoever was doing the show 99 00:04:04,397 --> 00:04:05,932 was a science fiction fan. 100 00:04:06,032 --> 00:04:11,138 * 101 00:04:11,238 --> 00:04:14,307 "Star Trek" begins as the brainchild of one man, 102 00:04:14,407 --> 00:04:17,477 Gene Roddenberry, a former World War II pilot 103 00:04:17,577 --> 00:04:19,746 and policeman turned screenwriter. 104 00:04:19,846 --> 00:04:23,250 His first television series premieres in 1963, 105 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:25,985 and features a few faces that will soon become familiar 106 00:04:26,085 --> 00:04:28,455 to "Trek" fans. 107 00:04:28,555 --> 00:04:31,124 - He was a big man, enthusiastic. 108 00:04:31,224 --> 00:04:34,761 He really, really loved producing a show, 109 00:04:34,861 --> 00:04:36,329 which he had never done before. 110 00:04:36,429 --> 00:04:37,697 He created "The Lieutenant." 111 00:04:39,766 --> 00:04:43,503 - It was "The Lieutenant." It was his first big TV show. 112 00:04:43,603 --> 00:04:45,938 And he cast me. 113 00:04:46,038 --> 00:04:49,976 - I had acted in an episode of a series called "The Lieutenant" 114 00:04:50,076 --> 00:04:51,878 that was produced by Gene Roddenberry. 115 00:04:51,978 --> 00:04:53,813 My agent called me and said, "He's interested in you 116 00:04:53,913 --> 00:04:57,750 for a science fiction pilot that he's gonna produce. 117 00:04:57,850 --> 00:05:00,320 "The Lieutenant" runs for just one season, 118 00:05:00,420 --> 00:05:03,656 but Roddenberry's already working on a bigger idea. 119 00:05:03,756 --> 00:05:07,860 In 1964, he begins pitching a series about a starship 120 00:05:07,960 --> 00:05:09,596 with a multi-ethnic crew. 121 00:05:09,696 --> 00:05:12,999 - I had worked for him directly when his secretary was ill. 122 00:05:13,099 --> 00:05:16,369 And he knew that I had sold some things 123 00:05:16,469 --> 00:05:19,472 that I wanted to be a writer, a full-time writer. 124 00:05:19,572 --> 00:05:21,941 And he called me into his office and said, 125 00:05:22,041 --> 00:05:24,010 "What do you think of this?" And he showed me 126 00:05:24,110 --> 00:05:28,448 about a 10-12 page piece that was called "Star Trek." 127 00:05:28,548 --> 00:05:32,485 - Well, he had done... - "The Lieutenant." 128 00:05:32,585 --> 00:05:35,388 - I went in to do a pitch on a story. 129 00:05:35,488 --> 00:05:38,858 Somehow or another, he asked if I was interested 130 00:05:38,958 --> 00:05:41,027 in doing "Star Trek." 131 00:05:41,127 --> 00:05:43,730 I said, "Yeah, I would be interested in that." 132 00:05:43,830 --> 00:05:44,964 - And I went home, and I read it, 133 00:05:45,064 --> 00:05:46,132 and I came back the next day, and I said, 134 00:05:46,232 --> 00:05:47,234 "Who plays Mr. Spock." 135 00:05:47,334 --> 00:05:49,936 - The script was very good, very good. 136 00:05:50,036 --> 00:05:52,104 I didn't quite understand how it was gonna work 137 00:05:52,204 --> 00:05:54,774 as a television show because it was so unique. 138 00:05:54,874 --> 00:05:57,076 It was really quite special. 139 00:05:57,176 --> 00:05:59,111 But it was a very intelligent script. 140 00:05:59,211 --> 00:06:02,048 It had layers of ideas in it 141 00:06:02,148 --> 00:06:04,551 that you didn't often get in television. 142 00:06:04,651 --> 00:06:06,118 - Roddenberry was very inspired 143 00:06:06,218 --> 00:06:08,788 by Jonathan Swift's "Gulliver's Travels." 144 00:06:08,888 --> 00:06:11,324 And wanted to tell stories 145 00:06:11,424 --> 00:06:13,326 that you couldn't normally tell on television 146 00:06:13,426 --> 00:06:14,861 through the prism of science fiction. 147 00:06:14,961 --> 00:06:17,797 - He was such a complex and interesting man. 148 00:06:17,897 --> 00:06:20,933 Very bright, very bright. 149 00:06:21,033 --> 00:06:23,236 Hard-working. 150 00:06:23,336 --> 00:06:24,771 Tough job, tough job. 151 00:06:24,871 --> 00:06:26,606 Particularly getting "Star Trek" right 152 00:06:26,706 --> 00:06:28,040 the first couple of seasons. 153 00:06:28,140 --> 00:06:30,977 To get it--to get it what he wanted it to be. 154 00:06:31,077 --> 00:06:33,079 - They didn't think there was a big enough audience out there. 155 00:06:33,179 --> 00:06:35,282 They thought it was gonna be sci-fi kooks and kids. 156 00:06:35,382 --> 00:06:37,083 And they didn't think they could make enough money 157 00:06:37,183 --> 00:06:40,720 from their sponsors to put these on in prime-time. 158 00:06:40,820 --> 00:06:42,522 Well, they had put on "Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea" 159 00:06:42,622 --> 00:06:46,092 in fall of '64, winning its timeslot for ABC. 160 00:06:46,192 --> 00:06:48,995 Fall of '65, he puts on "Lost In Space" on CBS. 161 00:06:49,095 --> 00:06:51,564 It's winning its timeslot for CBS. 162 00:06:51,664 --> 00:06:53,633 That was when they made the decision to put it on 163 00:06:53,733 --> 00:06:56,235 for the fall of '66. NBC wants one. 164 00:06:56,335 --> 00:06:58,505 They felt they were missing the boat. 165 00:06:58,605 --> 00:06:59,939 President John F. Kennedy 166 00:07:00,039 --> 00:07:01,508 issues a challenge: 167 00:07:01,608 --> 00:07:04,811 To put a man on the moon before the end of the decade. 168 00:07:04,911 --> 00:07:09,015 The space race heats up as America looks to the stars. 169 00:07:09,115 --> 00:07:12,952 And one unlikely supporter sees an opportunity. 170 00:07:13,052 --> 00:07:15,922 - Well, "Star Trek" may be the first TV show 171 00:07:16,022 --> 00:07:17,590 I can really remember. 172 00:07:17,690 --> 00:07:20,393 "Star Trek" and "Mission: Impossible." 173 00:07:20,493 --> 00:07:23,496 In fact, the both--the two great Desilu productions. 174 00:07:23,596 --> 00:07:26,699 - The other player in "Star Trek" 175 00:07:26,799 --> 00:07:28,535 and get it on the air was Lucille Ball 176 00:07:28,635 --> 00:07:30,637 with Desilu Studios. 177 00:07:30,737 --> 00:07:34,341 - It was Lucille Ball who said, "Let's make this." 178 00:07:34,441 --> 00:07:37,677 - That studio was built on reruns. 179 00:07:37,777 --> 00:07:40,313 And when "I Love Lucy" was in production, 180 00:07:40,413 --> 00:07:42,014 they wanted to film it here in LA. 181 00:07:42,114 --> 00:07:44,183 So they said, "We'll pay the difference and film this 182 00:07:44,283 --> 00:07:45,852 if we can have the rerun rights." 183 00:07:45,952 --> 00:07:48,154 And the answer from Harry Ackerman at CBS was, 184 00:07:48,254 --> 00:07:49,322 "What's a rerun?" 185 00:07:49,422 --> 00:07:51,458 Nobody had ever rerun anything on TV. 186 00:07:51,558 --> 00:07:53,560 They shot it live, it was gone. 187 00:07:53,660 --> 00:07:55,728 And "Star Trek" was brought in. 188 00:07:55,828 --> 00:07:59,699 And Lucy said, "I think that could rerun for ten years. 189 00:07:59,799 --> 00:08:01,568 Well, here we are 50 years later. 190 00:08:01,668 --> 00:08:03,503 "I Love Lucy" is still on five days a week 191 00:08:03,603 --> 00:08:05,004 in every city around the country. 192 00:08:05,104 --> 00:08:06,706 And probably the second most rerun show 193 00:08:06,806 --> 00:08:08,408 in the history of television is "Star Trek." 194 00:08:08,508 --> 00:08:12,144 Let's give her credit, Lucy loved "Star Trek." 195 00:08:12,244 --> 00:08:14,013 And we wouldn't have had "Star Trek" without Lucy, 196 00:08:14,113 --> 00:08:15,247 so we love Lucy. 197 00:08:15,347 --> 00:08:18,951 - You know, my father passed away when I was 17. 198 00:08:19,051 --> 00:08:21,388 He's got such a legacy and he's touched so many people 199 00:08:21,488 --> 00:08:24,791 that I've learned a great deal about him after his passing. 200 00:08:24,891 --> 00:08:27,326 You know, he was a bomber pilot in World War II. 201 00:08:27,426 --> 00:08:32,399 He flew something like, uh, is it 79 or 89 missions. 202 00:08:32,499 --> 00:08:34,534 My father had seen the best of humanity 203 00:08:34,634 --> 00:08:36,202 and he'd seen the worst of humanity. 204 00:08:36,302 --> 00:08:38,571 But I think that really helped shape his view 205 00:08:38,671 --> 00:08:40,773 of "Star Trek" and that better future. 206 00:08:45,945 --> 00:08:49,616 The pilot episode of "Star Trek" is filmed in 1965, 207 00:08:49,716 --> 00:08:51,618 introducing the world to what would become 208 00:08:51,718 --> 00:08:54,587 one of the most iconic characters of all time, 209 00:08:54,687 --> 00:08:56,823 Mr. Spock. 210 00:08:56,923 --> 00:08:59,058 - And he shoved a picture of Leonard Nimoy 211 00:08:59,158 --> 00:09:00,259 across the desk at me. 212 00:09:00,359 --> 00:09:04,230 At that point, he was a Martian first officer. 213 00:09:04,330 --> 00:09:06,265 - He said a character with pointed ears, 214 00:09:06,365 --> 00:09:08,735 and that set me back a bit. 215 00:09:08,835 --> 00:09:10,603 I had to think about that one. 216 00:09:10,703 --> 00:09:16,175 - Leonard was an actor. He was a real actor. 217 00:09:16,275 --> 00:09:17,744 - And he walked me through the various departments. 218 00:09:17,844 --> 00:09:19,646 He showed me where they were making the props. 219 00:09:19,746 --> 00:09:22,014 He showed me where the sets were being designed, 220 00:09:22,114 --> 00:09:24,216 the design for the Enterprise, the ship. 221 00:09:24,316 --> 00:09:27,620 And I realized that he was selling me on this job. 222 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:30,356 And that's the way it would happen. 223 00:09:30,456 --> 00:09:33,359 The network orders a new "Star Trek" pilot. 224 00:09:33,459 --> 00:09:34,994 Spock stays on board, 225 00:09:35,094 --> 00:09:37,430 but the Enterprise gets an entirely new crew, 226 00:09:37,530 --> 00:09:40,332 including a brash, young captain, 227 00:09:40,432 --> 00:09:41,701 James T. Kirk. 228 00:09:41,801 --> 00:09:45,838 - William Shatner had Kirk down 229 00:09:45,938 --> 00:09:47,940 from act one, scene one, 230 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:49,576 and he played that through right till the end 231 00:09:49,676 --> 00:09:51,911 in "Star Trek: Generations" in 1994. 232 00:09:52,011 --> 00:09:54,080 - You know, Shatner, who's totally nailing the part, 233 00:09:54,180 --> 00:09:57,349 but DeForest Kelley, the person that Gene wanted 234 00:09:57,449 --> 00:09:59,819 from the beginning for Dr. McCoy. 235 00:09:59,919 --> 00:10:02,522 - Scotty felt like he was a little more fully formed 236 00:10:02,622 --> 00:10:04,090 as a character. 237 00:10:04,190 --> 00:10:06,626 There was an empathy with Jimmy Doohan's performance. 238 00:10:06,726 --> 00:10:08,761 We just liked Scotty. You wanted to hang out with Scotty. 239 00:10:08,861 --> 00:10:11,798 You wanted to go have a drink in the bar with Scotty, you know? 240 00:10:11,898 --> 00:10:13,399 - It's a very hallowed and beloved thing 241 00:10:13,499 --> 00:10:15,167 that you don't want to mess up. 242 00:10:15,267 --> 00:10:16,769 I feel honored to play Scotty. 243 00:10:16,869 --> 00:10:18,538 I will always defer to the greatest Scotty ever, 244 00:10:18,638 --> 00:10:20,006 which was James Doohan, 245 00:10:20,106 --> 00:10:22,942 but if I can do half as good as he did, then I'll be happy. 246 00:10:23,042 --> 00:10:26,613 - George Takei, who plays Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm. 247 00:10:26,713 --> 00:10:29,782 - An Asian man on a show like this, 248 00:10:29,882 --> 00:10:31,518 you seldom saw anything like that. 249 00:10:31,618 --> 00:10:33,620 And here he was, a man with responsibilities. 250 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:34,854 He was the helmsman. 251 00:10:34,954 --> 00:10:37,524 - Everyone, Nichelle, just beautiful and smart 252 00:10:37,624 --> 00:10:40,593 and an incredible role model as Uhura. 253 00:10:40,693 --> 00:10:45,532 - I think the first memory of "Star Trek" really was going, 254 00:10:45,632 --> 00:10:47,366 "Oh, look..." 255 00:10:47,466 --> 00:10:49,101 "There's a black lady in the future." 256 00:10:49,201 --> 00:10:51,403 And this was the first time I knew 257 00:10:51,503 --> 00:10:53,740 we would be in the future. 258 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:55,642 - Later on, Walter Koenig as Chekov. 259 00:10:55,742 --> 00:10:58,611 - If the circumstances hadn't fallen the way they did, 260 00:10:58,711 --> 00:11:00,146 if things hadn't happened the way they did, 261 00:11:00,246 --> 00:11:02,882 then I probably never been in for the role 262 00:11:02,982 --> 00:11:05,084 of Chekov on "Star Trek." 263 00:11:05,184 --> 00:11:08,087 I read one line. He says, "You got the part." 264 00:11:08,187 --> 00:11:09,689 And that was the part of a Russian. 265 00:11:09,789 --> 00:11:11,123 - Who had a Russian on the show? 266 00:11:11,223 --> 00:11:14,426 We were still just reaching out trying to make contact 267 00:11:14,526 --> 00:11:16,262 with Russia in a friendly sense. 268 00:11:16,362 --> 00:11:17,997 - To bring these people together 269 00:11:18,097 --> 00:11:20,767 created the magic that is "Star Trek." 270 00:11:20,867 --> 00:11:24,036 - From day one, we got along... 271 00:11:24,136 --> 00:11:25,872 just like that. 272 00:11:25,972 --> 00:11:27,406 With the cast and crew assembled, 273 00:11:27,506 --> 00:11:30,710 the Enterprise is nearly ready to begin its mission. 274 00:11:30,810 --> 00:11:33,980 But Roddenberry knows something is missing. 275 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:38,084 - G.R said, "I gotta do an opening for the show." 276 00:11:38,184 --> 00:11:41,153 So he said, "You take a shot at it, 277 00:11:41,253 --> 00:11:43,623 I'll take a shot at it, we'll see what happens." 278 00:11:43,723 --> 00:11:45,224 - It was, "Space... the final frontier," 279 00:11:45,324 --> 00:11:48,294 was yours, wasn't it? - Yeah. 280 00:11:48,394 --> 00:11:49,929 "The final frontier." 281 00:11:50,029 --> 00:11:51,263 - "Space... 282 00:11:51,363 --> 00:11:53,232 "the final frontier. 283 00:11:56,869 --> 00:12:00,607 - So it was some Roddenberry, it was some Black. 284 00:12:00,707 --> 00:12:04,443 We came out with... 285 00:12:04,543 --> 00:12:07,814 "Boldy go where no man has gone before." 286 00:12:07,914 --> 00:12:11,350 - To boldly go where no man has gone before. 287 00:12:11,450 --> 00:12:18,758 * 288 00:12:18,858 --> 00:12:20,392 NBC premieres "Star Trek" 289 00:12:20,492 --> 00:12:23,763 on a Thursday night in the fall of 1966. 290 00:12:23,863 --> 00:12:25,932 - Well, the first episode of "Star Trek,""The Man Trap," 291 00:12:26,032 --> 00:12:28,534 had 47% audience share. 292 00:12:28,634 --> 00:12:31,303 Lucy wrote a memo to Gene Roddenberry saying, 293 00:12:31,403 --> 00:12:33,740 "Congratulations, boys, you're a hit." 294 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,374 - Back in the late '60s, 295 00:12:35,474 --> 00:12:38,577 what "Star Trek" was doing on television was cutting edge. 296 00:12:38,677 --> 00:12:40,012 It was ahead of its time. 297 00:12:40,112 --> 00:12:42,615 - This was the first time we saw a miniskirt on television. 298 00:12:42,715 --> 00:12:45,151 "Star Trek" premiered in September of '66, 299 00:12:45,251 --> 00:12:47,920 the mini made its debut in London 300 00:12:48,020 --> 00:12:51,223 in the summer of '66 and had not made it to America. 301 00:12:51,323 --> 00:12:53,192 He was way ahead of his time. 302 00:12:53,292 --> 00:12:55,995 - It was also a science fiction series 303 00:12:56,095 --> 00:12:59,832 that took the subject matter very seriously. 304 00:12:59,932 --> 00:13:02,468 "Star Trek" is unlike anything on television 305 00:13:02,568 --> 00:13:04,937 at the time, but what makes it unique 306 00:13:05,037 --> 00:13:11,010 also threatens to destroy it. 307 00:13:11,110 --> 00:13:12,679 "Star Trek" premieres in 1966, 308 00:13:12,779 --> 00:13:15,915 and instantly becomes one of the most ground-breaking series 309 00:13:16,015 --> 00:13:18,017 in the history of television. 310 00:13:18,117 --> 00:13:19,618 Gene Roddenberry's vision 311 00:13:19,718 --> 00:13:22,454 is a sign of changing times in America. 312 00:13:22,554 --> 00:13:26,458 - A story about a hopeful future made in a difficult time. 313 00:13:26,558 --> 00:13:28,427 The times were tough. 314 00:13:28,527 --> 00:13:31,497 The war in Vietnam, the racial issues that were happening, 315 00:13:31,597 --> 00:13:35,534 riots in the streets, riots at political conventions. 316 00:13:35,634 --> 00:13:38,070 People were angry and upset and nervous and concerned. 317 00:13:38,170 --> 00:13:39,739 And it was this thing that said, "Hey, 318 00:13:39,839 --> 00:13:41,573 "in the future we have a way of dealing with these issues. 319 00:13:41,673 --> 00:13:43,175 "It's gonna be okay. 320 00:13:43,275 --> 00:13:45,912 "Here's a group of people who are solving problems together. 321 00:13:46,012 --> 00:13:48,214 And they're all different, diverse people." 322 00:13:48,314 --> 00:13:50,016 "Star Trek" tackles the most pressing 323 00:13:50,116 --> 00:13:52,551 social issues of its day. 324 00:13:52,651 --> 00:13:55,755 - We had the one where Uhura and Kirk kissed. 325 00:13:55,855 --> 00:13:58,157 That, I think, was more of-- I mean, I think that was great. 326 00:13:58,257 --> 00:14:00,793 And the people in the South, there were probably 327 00:14:00,893 --> 00:14:03,129 a lot of people jumping out of windows at that. 328 00:14:03,229 --> 00:14:04,931 - The director was nervous. 329 00:14:05,031 --> 00:14:07,767 The front office at Paramount was nervous, 330 00:14:07,867 --> 00:14:10,770 which was just dumb, you know, then don't do it, 331 00:14:10,870 --> 00:14:12,104 which is what I said. 332 00:14:12,204 --> 00:14:14,206 And they went, "You don't want to do it?" 333 00:14:14,306 --> 00:14:17,076 I said, "I want to do it. It's written in the script. 334 00:14:17,176 --> 00:14:18,778 It's a great scene." 335 00:14:18,878 --> 00:14:23,082 This is the first interracial kiss on television. 336 00:14:26,118 --> 00:14:27,386 * 337 00:14:32,624 --> 00:14:37,363 - They were writing some pretty major stuff in those days. 338 00:14:37,463 --> 00:14:40,499 I mean, very eloquent writers. Very knowledgeable. 339 00:14:40,599 --> 00:14:43,903 - They did "Mark of Gideon," which got a lot of flack, 340 00:14:44,003 --> 00:14:47,573 about birth control, overpopulation. 341 00:14:47,673 --> 00:14:49,141 'Cause nobody had talked about that on TV 342 00:14:49,241 --> 00:14:50,642 up until that point. 343 00:14:50,742 --> 00:14:55,414 NBC was disappointed with "Star Trek" from the get-go, 344 00:14:55,514 --> 00:14:57,917 but the rating were not bad 345 00:14:58,017 --> 00:15:00,953 and the fan mail was huge. 346 00:15:01,053 --> 00:15:02,889 "Star Trek" is doing things 347 00:15:02,989 --> 00:15:05,257 that a lot of the affiliates were uncomfortable with, 348 00:15:05,357 --> 00:15:08,094 so they kept moving it from one bad slot to another 349 00:15:08,194 --> 00:15:10,229 until they finally put it in the death slot 350 00:15:10,329 --> 00:15:12,431 to get rid of this show. 351 00:15:12,531 --> 00:15:14,466 That is what killed "Star Trek." 352 00:15:14,566 --> 00:15:16,168 The original series is canceled 353 00:15:16,268 --> 00:15:19,171 after 3 seasons and 79 episodes. 354 00:15:19,271 --> 00:15:20,739 But it's gained a cult following 355 00:15:20,839 --> 00:15:23,075 that's become undeniable. 356 00:15:23,175 --> 00:15:25,945 Within four years, "Trek" is back on the air. 357 00:15:26,045 --> 00:15:29,882 This time reaching a new generation of young fans. 358 00:15:32,919 --> 00:15:34,720 * 359 00:15:34,820 --> 00:15:36,122 - My first contact with "Star Trek" 360 00:15:36,222 --> 00:15:39,291 was probably watching the animated series 361 00:15:39,391 --> 00:15:42,895 on Saturday morning TV in the early '70s. 362 00:15:42,995 --> 00:15:46,232 And, you know, I was really struck by the, you know, 363 00:15:46,332 --> 00:15:48,500 the bright colors of the uniforms. 364 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,937 - The fans were very wary. 365 00:15:51,037 --> 00:15:53,305 In fact, some of the cast was wary too. 366 00:15:53,405 --> 00:15:55,441 They felt, "Hey, 'Star Trek' is starting to get momentum. 367 00:15:55,541 --> 00:15:57,076 "We think there could be more life in this. 368 00:15:57,176 --> 00:15:59,011 But if we do a cartoon, it's gonna kill it." 369 00:15:59,111 --> 00:16:01,580 And Gene Roddenberry was very cagey and very smart. 370 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,615 He says, "No, this will fan the flames. 371 00:16:03,715 --> 00:16:05,952 This will keep it alive rather than let it disappear." 372 00:16:06,052 --> 00:16:07,453 And he was right. 373 00:16:07,553 --> 00:16:09,989 - It sounds funny for saying this, 374 00:16:10,089 --> 00:16:13,025 but it has never been canceled. 375 00:16:13,125 --> 00:16:19,365 You know, um, we were just off longer than we wanted to be. 376 00:16:26,505 --> 00:16:28,440 - So then we have the '70s, right, '70s hit. 377 00:16:28,540 --> 00:16:30,943 Everyone went to see that "Star Wars" situation. 378 00:16:31,043 --> 00:16:32,912 I think we can make some money. 379 00:16:33,012 --> 00:16:35,147 - So you had a TV script that was being padded out 380 00:16:35,247 --> 00:16:36,515 into a motion picture. 381 00:16:36,615 --> 00:16:38,317 They took themselves a little too seriously 382 00:16:38,417 --> 00:16:40,386 and they were trying to be a little more like, "2001." 383 00:16:40,486 --> 00:16:42,221 Then they brought in Robert Wise 384 00:16:42,321 --> 00:16:45,958 because he was known as a big-time movie director. 385 00:16:46,058 --> 00:16:47,626 - There never really been a movie 386 00:16:47,726 --> 00:16:49,495 years after a show was canceled. 387 00:16:52,198 --> 00:16:53,599 "Star Trek" would be the beginning 388 00:16:53,699 --> 00:16:56,435 of that phenomena, which--now, you know, 389 00:16:56,535 --> 00:16:57,970 well, unceasing phenomena. 390 00:16:58,070 --> 00:17:01,173 - When we came back to do the first really big one 391 00:17:01,273 --> 00:17:05,477 that we did after being away so long, 392 00:17:05,577 --> 00:17:08,647 it was amazing. 393 00:17:08,747 --> 00:17:10,316 "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" 394 00:17:10,416 --> 00:17:13,585 hits theaters in December of 1979. 395 00:17:13,685 --> 00:17:16,222 But the cast has its doubts. 396 00:17:16,322 --> 00:17:19,125 - So Robert Wise was a very good filmmaker. 397 00:17:19,225 --> 00:17:22,161 He was a multiple Academy Award-winning director, 398 00:17:22,261 --> 00:17:24,263 but he did not know "Star Trek." 399 00:17:24,363 --> 00:17:27,566 - We sat down to watch that first movie 400 00:17:27,666 --> 00:17:29,435 and the beginning was great. 401 00:17:29,535 --> 00:17:32,404 Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat. Bum-bum-bum-bum. 402 00:17:32,504 --> 00:17:35,374 And then it suddenly became a talking heads movie. 403 00:17:35,474 --> 00:17:37,276 Where was the friction? Where was the conflict? 404 00:17:37,376 --> 00:17:38,844 Where was the passion? 405 00:17:38,944 --> 00:17:40,312 - It had very little to do with "Star Trek." 406 00:17:40,412 --> 00:17:41,948 You had the spaceship, the Enterprise. 407 00:17:42,048 --> 00:17:43,882 You had the crew. 408 00:17:43,982 --> 00:17:45,584 But the story had very little to do 409 00:17:45,684 --> 00:17:47,486 with anything "Star Trek-y." 410 00:17:47,586 --> 00:17:50,489 The characters were not in shape, in place, 411 00:17:50,589 --> 00:17:52,058 playing off of each other and with each other 412 00:17:52,158 --> 00:17:53,993 the way we did best. 413 00:17:54,093 --> 00:17:55,995 - Why are they wearing pajamas? 414 00:17:56,095 --> 00:18:01,033 Why, you know, does it look like they're in a Holiday Inn? 415 00:18:01,133 --> 00:18:03,235 So a lot of what "The Wrath of Khan" 416 00:18:03,335 --> 00:18:06,172 proved to be about aesthetically 417 00:18:06,272 --> 00:18:09,375 and maybe even intellectually as well 418 00:18:09,475 --> 00:18:12,244 was a reaction to what I saw. 419 00:18:12,344 --> 00:18:15,181 - And for a movie that was so poorly received, 420 00:18:15,281 --> 00:18:16,782 we had done extremely well. 421 00:18:16,882 --> 00:18:19,952 To my great surprise, they said, "Star Trek II." 422 00:18:20,052 --> 00:18:23,122 "The Wrath of Khan" becomes an instant classic. 423 00:18:23,222 --> 00:18:26,125 It's villain is a genetically engineered superhuman, 424 00:18:26,225 --> 00:18:28,094 who first appeared in the original series 425 00:18:28,194 --> 00:18:31,130 bent on revenge against Captain Kirk. 426 00:18:31,230 --> 00:18:32,764 - "Wrath of Khan" is a classic. 427 00:18:32,864 --> 00:18:36,435 I mean, "Wrath of Khan" just works on every level. 428 00:18:36,535 --> 00:18:39,538 You know, it just does. It's pop entertainment. 429 00:18:39,638 --> 00:18:44,343 It's a fan's dream. It's fun. It's funny. 430 00:18:44,443 --> 00:18:46,212 The visual effects are state of the art 431 00:18:46,312 --> 00:18:48,080 and really hold up even to this day. 432 00:18:48,180 --> 00:18:49,848 Those space battles are fantastic. 433 00:18:49,948 --> 00:18:53,519 - Montalban was a charismatic actor. 434 00:18:53,619 --> 00:18:56,022 He really gave us this wonderful performance. 435 00:18:56,122 --> 00:18:58,290 It was theatrical, imaginative, creative 436 00:18:58,390 --> 00:19:01,227 performance as Khan in "Star Trek II." 437 00:19:01,327 --> 00:19:03,895 And he looked great. 438 00:19:03,995 --> 00:19:06,598 And that was his chest that people thought 439 00:19:06,698 --> 00:19:08,867 had been built up with makeup or something. 440 00:19:08,967 --> 00:19:10,636 That was him, you know? 441 00:19:10,736 --> 00:19:13,972 It was really Ricardo Montalban. 442 00:19:14,072 --> 00:19:16,842 - That's his chest. It's his chest. 443 00:19:16,942 --> 00:19:20,312 Gives you an idea of "Star Trek-ian" scholarship 444 00:19:20,412 --> 00:19:24,950 that that's the most, you know, frequently asked question. 445 00:19:25,050 --> 00:19:26,185 Behind the scenes, 446 00:19:26,285 --> 00:19:28,487 the cast didn't always get along. 447 00:19:28,587 --> 00:19:31,890 - I had immediately had a good rapport with with Nick Myers, 448 00:19:31,990 --> 00:19:34,126 but as we went through several rehearsals 449 00:19:34,226 --> 00:19:35,827 working with the camera, 450 00:19:35,927 --> 00:19:38,097 Shatner would come over to me 451 00:19:38,197 --> 00:19:39,865 and start trying to redirect me. 452 00:19:39,965 --> 00:19:43,001 Is the word given, Admiral? - The word is given. 453 00:19:43,101 --> 00:19:45,437 - So I finally said, "Can I stop for a second?" 454 00:19:45,537 --> 00:19:47,206 Nick said to me, "What's the matter, Ike?" 455 00:19:47,306 --> 00:19:49,007 I said, "Well, I'm getting direction 456 00:19:49,107 --> 00:19:50,509 "from other people on the set, 457 00:19:50,609 --> 00:19:52,144 "and it's making me very uncomfortable. 458 00:19:52,244 --> 00:19:54,446 "I just want to make sure I'm doing my job correctly, 459 00:19:54,546 --> 00:19:56,115 So I'm listening to you." 460 00:19:56,215 --> 00:19:57,716 And he said, "That's right. 461 00:19:57,816 --> 00:19:59,885 You're listening to me. We good?" 462 00:19:59,985 --> 00:20:02,254 I said, "We're good. Thank you very much." 463 00:20:02,354 --> 00:20:05,057 And I just stood back. 464 00:20:05,157 --> 00:20:08,059 No one else ever said anything to me again after that. 465 00:20:09,561 --> 00:20:12,564 Khan uses mind control to achieve his ends, 466 00:20:12,664 --> 00:20:15,101 delivered in a gruesome way. 467 00:20:15,201 --> 00:20:20,005 - They're young. Enter through the ears. 468 00:20:20,105 --> 00:20:23,642 And wrap themselves around the cerebral cortex. 469 00:20:23,742 --> 00:20:25,077 - Yeah, well, that was fun. 470 00:20:25,177 --> 00:20:27,279 You know, being on the other end of that. 471 00:20:27,379 --> 00:20:29,948 What it was, it was a stunt bug. 472 00:20:30,048 --> 00:20:31,683 No, it wasn't a stunt bug. 473 00:20:31,783 --> 00:20:34,853 It was--it was a little thing that had 474 00:20:34,953 --> 00:20:37,089 a little rubbery plastic thing, 475 00:20:37,189 --> 00:20:41,560 and they had a fine filament thread attached to it. 476 00:20:41,660 --> 00:20:43,529 It was very hard to see. 477 00:20:43,629 --> 00:20:45,531 When it was going up my face, 478 00:20:45,631 --> 00:20:48,134 there was actually a guy standing above me, 479 00:20:48,234 --> 00:20:50,802 and they had drilled a hole in my helmet, 480 00:20:50,902 --> 00:20:54,473 and he was pulling it up my face on that filament. 481 00:20:54,573 --> 00:20:58,277 And when they got to my ear, 482 00:20:58,377 --> 00:21:01,847 and them I made all those screams, 483 00:21:01,947 --> 00:21:04,650 really unbecoming an officer, 484 00:21:04,750 --> 00:21:07,118 but they--that's what they wanted. 485 00:21:14,092 --> 00:21:15,827 But there is one scene that has become 486 00:21:15,927 --> 00:21:18,764 the defining moment in "The Wrath of Khan." 487 00:21:18,864 --> 00:21:22,268 - I read that script and I saw the conflict, 488 00:21:22,368 --> 00:21:23,935 and I saw the passion in it, 489 00:21:24,035 --> 00:21:28,039 and when I saw the scene where Spock tries to save the ship 490 00:21:28,139 --> 00:21:29,575 and dies in the process, I said, 491 00:21:29,675 --> 00:21:32,144 "This is a good, good film." 492 00:21:32,244 --> 00:21:33,579 - I really believed that this was going to be 493 00:21:33,679 --> 00:21:35,181 the final "Star Trek" movie. 494 00:21:35,281 --> 00:21:38,750 So I thought if "Star Trek" is coming to an end, 495 00:21:38,850 --> 00:21:41,587 maybe it's fitting that Spock should die 496 00:21:41,687 --> 00:21:43,222 saving the ship and the crew, 497 00:21:43,322 --> 00:21:45,291 and be a hero and go out in a blaze of glory. 498 00:21:45,391 --> 00:21:48,460 During the making of the movie, I began to be concerned 499 00:21:48,560 --> 00:21:50,028 that maybe I'd made a mistake. 500 00:21:50,128 --> 00:21:54,099 And on the day we went to shoot Spock's death scene, 501 00:21:54,199 --> 00:21:56,134 Harve came to me on the set. 502 00:21:56,234 --> 00:21:57,469 He came to me on the set and he said, 503 00:21:57,569 --> 00:22:00,939 "What can you give us that might be a thread 504 00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:04,176 for the future for Spock or 'Star Trek'?" 505 00:22:04,276 --> 00:22:05,711 And it took me a moment. I said, 506 00:22:05,811 --> 00:22:07,846 "I can do a mind-meld on DeForest Kelley 507 00:22:07,946 --> 00:22:09,415 "who's laying there unconscious, 508 00:22:09,515 --> 00:22:13,051 and I can say something ambiguous like, 'Remember.'" 509 00:22:13,151 --> 00:22:14,820 And that's how that moment came about. 510 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,988 Remember. 511 00:22:17,088 --> 00:22:19,291 - And then you have "Star Trek's" finest hour 512 00:22:19,391 --> 00:22:21,059 between Kirk and Spock. 513 00:22:21,159 --> 00:22:24,630 That death scene through the radiation chamber-- 514 00:22:24,730 --> 00:22:26,198 cried like a baby. 515 00:22:26,298 --> 00:22:29,201 - I was always very touched by what happened 516 00:22:29,301 --> 00:22:31,136 in that--in that sequence. Ahem. 517 00:22:31,236 --> 00:22:34,706 I thought it was beautifully written, the death scene. 518 00:22:34,806 --> 00:22:36,575 And it really worked in the film. 519 00:22:36,675 --> 00:22:39,110 I have people still today who write me and say, 520 00:22:39,210 --> 00:22:40,546 "Every time I still see that picture 521 00:22:40,646 --> 00:22:42,781 "for the fifth, tenth time, I still cry when Spock-- 522 00:22:42,881 --> 00:22:45,317 at that death scene," you know? 523 00:22:45,417 --> 00:22:47,219 I have been... 524 00:22:47,319 --> 00:22:50,021 and always shall be... 525 00:22:50,121 --> 00:22:52,123 your friend. 526 00:22:57,429 --> 00:23:00,566 Live long... 527 00:23:00,666 --> 00:23:02,668 and prosper. 528 00:23:10,842 --> 00:23:13,545 Two short years after the success of "Khan," 529 00:23:13,645 --> 00:23:15,914 "Trek" returns to the big screen, 530 00:23:16,014 --> 00:23:18,950 and the franchise is truly reborn. 531 00:23:19,050 --> 00:23:22,087 - "Star Trek III" was the first movie that Nimoy directed, 532 00:23:22,187 --> 00:23:25,190 and it was also his way to come back to "Star Trek" 533 00:23:25,290 --> 00:23:26,625 to bring Spock back. 534 00:23:26,725 --> 00:23:30,729 - Nicholas Meyer, a very talented guy, was directing. 535 00:23:30,829 --> 00:23:33,532 I thought, "I-I can do what he does. 536 00:23:33,632 --> 00:23:35,401 I know what he's doing and I can do that." 537 00:23:35,501 --> 00:23:36,968 So I went in the next morning, 538 00:23:37,068 --> 00:23:38,870 and I put it to them very simply. 539 00:23:38,970 --> 00:23:40,839 I said, "Michael, you have two problems. 540 00:23:40,939 --> 00:23:43,409 "You want me to play Spock in 'Star Trek III,' 541 00:23:43,509 --> 00:23:44,810 "and you need a director. 542 00:23:44,910 --> 00:23:47,413 I solved both of your problems with one stroke." 543 00:23:47,513 --> 00:23:48,614 And that's the way it went, 544 00:23:48,714 --> 00:23:50,782 and he said, "Okay, let's make a deal." 545 00:23:50,882 --> 00:23:52,918 And we immediately made a deal and went to work. 546 00:23:53,018 --> 00:23:56,922 - You Klingon bastard. 547 00:23:57,022 --> 00:24:00,626 - There are two more prisoners, Admiral. 548 00:24:00,726 --> 00:24:02,361 Do you want them killed too? 549 00:24:02,461 --> 00:24:06,798 - It's just such a delicious badass son of a bitch, you know? 550 00:24:06,898 --> 00:24:10,969 He's just--he's just a bad guy with no remorse. 551 00:24:13,271 --> 00:24:15,541 I killed Kirk's son 552 00:24:15,641 --> 00:24:17,909 and I blew up the original Enterprise. 553 00:24:18,009 --> 00:24:20,846 Just freaking wiped it out. 554 00:24:22,848 --> 00:24:26,051 And I could do it again. 555 00:24:30,689 --> 00:24:34,960 - I was asked to do "III," I didn't know how to do it. 556 00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:38,697 So I said I wasn't interested in doing it. 557 00:24:38,797 --> 00:24:41,500 I was not part of "IV" either. 558 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:43,469 They had had a script written 559 00:24:43,569 --> 00:24:46,438 tailor-made to star Eddie Murphy, 560 00:24:46,538 --> 00:24:49,841 who was Paramount's other big star at the time. 561 00:24:49,941 --> 00:24:51,610 And Paramount didn't like the idea 562 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:56,047 of putting all their golden eggs in one basket, 563 00:24:56,147 --> 00:24:59,184 Eddie Murphy and the Star Trek people. 564 00:24:59,284 --> 00:25:01,219 So I went to see Harve and Leonard, 565 00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:04,055 and they told me the story about the whales. 566 00:25:04,155 --> 00:25:07,125 And Harve said, "I'll write the outer space parts 567 00:25:07,225 --> 00:25:10,396 if you do the on Earth parts, you know, the bookend. 568 00:25:10,496 --> 00:25:13,331 And I said, "Okay." 569 00:25:13,431 --> 00:25:15,867 - "Star Trek V" is hurt by it's budget 570 00:25:15,967 --> 00:25:18,336 more than anything else. It's not a badly directed film. 571 00:25:18,436 --> 00:25:21,407 In fact, Bill did a nice job directing for the most pt, 572 00:25:21,507 --> 00:25:26,044 but they just didn't have enough money to recognize the vision, 573 00:25:26,144 --> 00:25:27,546 so it looks very cheap, and as a result, 574 00:25:27,646 --> 00:25:28,947 it feels like a bad movie. 575 00:25:29,047 --> 00:25:30,449 - We watched the movie, we were like, 576 00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:31,817 "Yeah, that was great." 577 00:25:31,917 --> 00:25:33,284 And I remember my brother, 578 00:25:33,384 --> 00:25:34,753 he was the one who had not been drinking. 579 00:25:34,853 --> 00:25:36,422 He was looking at, like, 580 00:25:36,522 --> 00:25:38,256 "I don't think it really was great." 581 00:25:38,356 --> 00:25:40,291 We were like, "No, it was great. Let's watch it again." 582 00:25:40,391 --> 00:25:41,893 And we did, so we watched it again. 583 00:25:41,993 --> 00:25:44,696 That's probably the last time I saw "Star Trek V." 584 00:25:44,796 --> 00:25:49,034 - Then "Star Trek V" came out and didn't perform well. 585 00:25:49,134 --> 00:25:52,838 And then Leonard came, and he had this genesis, 586 00:25:52,938 --> 00:25:55,474 you should pardon the pun, of an idea for "VI," 587 00:25:55,574 --> 00:25:59,144 which was all about the wall coming down in outer space. 588 00:25:59,244 --> 00:26:01,246 It was about the Klingons have been their substitute 589 00:26:01,346 --> 00:26:03,281 for the Russians. I went, "They were?" 590 00:26:03,381 --> 00:26:05,283 And we wrote it. 591 00:26:05,383 --> 00:26:08,353 - His idea was that, you know, time's change. 592 00:26:08,453 --> 00:26:11,189 You know, you can't be, you know, mad at a group 593 00:26:11,289 --> 00:26:14,526 for 100 years and you don't know anything about them. 594 00:26:14,626 --> 00:26:16,227 - Michael Dorn was my idea. 595 00:26:16,327 --> 00:26:19,064 He could play his own grandfather. 596 00:26:19,164 --> 00:26:22,868 I thought that would be funny. 597 00:26:25,971 --> 00:26:29,908 - So "Star Trek IV" does gangbusters at the box office. 598 00:26:30,008 --> 00:26:32,043 They're like, "Hang on, this is a hot property." 599 00:26:32,143 --> 00:26:34,245 Gene's like, "Guess what, fellas? 600 00:26:34,345 --> 00:26:35,814 I want to do I on TV again." 601 00:26:35,914 --> 00:26:38,149 And then Paramount's like... - "Yes, please." 602 00:26:38,249 --> 00:26:39,417 - "I might as well." - Yeah. 603 00:26:39,517 --> 00:26:40,652 - "Well, it's sitting here doing nothing." 604 00:26:40,752 --> 00:26:41,853 - "How soon will you start?" - So then we have 605 00:26:41,953 --> 00:26:43,555 "Star Trek: The Next Generation" comes out. 606 00:26:48,259 --> 00:26:49,661 In 1987, 607 00:26:49,761 --> 00:26:52,564 21 years after the original series hits the air, 608 00:26:52,664 --> 00:26:55,200 "Star Trek" returns to television with the premiere 609 00:26:55,300 --> 00:26:57,435 of "The Next Generation." 610 00:26:57,535 --> 00:27:00,105 - Gene Roddenberry called me and he was talking about 611 00:27:00,205 --> 00:27:01,339 a new version of "Star Trek" 612 00:27:01,439 --> 00:27:04,142 bouncing off the movies, of course. 613 00:27:04,242 --> 00:27:08,446 He came up with the basics for the older captain, 614 00:27:08,546 --> 00:27:11,783 for the characters that we see in "Star Trek: Next Gen." 615 00:27:11,883 --> 00:27:14,720 Diehard fans are skeptical of the reboot. 616 00:27:14,820 --> 00:27:17,656 - We got a bald, English captain with a French name 617 00:27:17,756 --> 00:27:20,726 and you got a Klingon on the bridge? 618 00:27:20,826 --> 00:27:23,729 Really? You got a blind guy driving the ship? 619 00:27:23,829 --> 00:27:25,831 - Gene was there during the first couple of years 620 00:27:25,931 --> 00:27:30,569 and all the spinoffs carried on the tradition of "Star Trek." 621 00:27:30,669 --> 00:27:33,705 - When that cast was first assembled and the show 622 00:27:33,805 --> 00:27:35,140 first went into production, "The Next Generation," 623 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,542 I invited them here to this house, 624 00:27:36,642 --> 00:27:38,243 the whole bunch of them, all of them. 625 00:27:38,343 --> 00:27:40,145 "Come to my house. Let's get to know each other. 626 00:27:40,245 --> 00:27:43,348 And good luck, and bon voyage. I think--I hope it works." 627 00:27:43,448 --> 00:27:46,417 - When I first auditioned for "Next Gen," 628 00:27:46,517 --> 00:27:48,253 I was one of the few people in the world 629 00:27:48,353 --> 00:27:51,723 who was not quite aware of the phenomenon 630 00:27:51,823 --> 00:27:54,425 that we were about to get involved with. 631 00:27:54,525 --> 00:27:57,462 - When I heard that they were doing a next generation, 632 00:27:57,562 --> 00:28:00,331 I went, "Oh, afraid I gotta do this," you know? 633 00:28:00,431 --> 00:28:02,568 - I got a call from my agent who said, "You know what? 634 00:28:02,668 --> 00:28:04,069 They're casting 'Star Trek.' Oh, my God." 635 00:28:04,169 --> 00:28:05,537 And she was a huge "Star Trek" fan. 636 00:28:05,637 --> 00:28:09,207 I had no clue it was going to be a big show. 637 00:28:09,307 --> 00:28:12,611 - So LeVar Burton and I go to eat. 638 00:28:12,711 --> 00:28:14,145 I say, "What are you doing?" 639 00:28:14,245 --> 00:28:18,884 He said, "Oh, you'll love this. I'm doing 'Star Trek.'" 640 00:28:18,984 --> 00:28:21,687 I said, "Well, I want to be on that." 641 00:28:21,787 --> 00:28:23,354 And he was like, "What?" I was like, "No, no. 642 00:28:23,454 --> 00:28:25,490 You gotta tell them I want to be on the show." 643 00:28:25,590 --> 00:28:28,994 And I made an appointment to go see Gene. 644 00:28:29,094 --> 00:28:32,598 And Gene says, "You want to be on 'Star Trek'?" 645 00:28:32,698 --> 00:28:35,967 I said, "Yes. Yes." 646 00:28:36,067 --> 00:28:40,238 - And he asked me would I please write the pilot script, 647 00:28:40,338 --> 00:28:43,374 "Encounter At Farpoint." And I said, "Fine," did that. 648 00:28:43,474 --> 00:28:45,911 The question had been whether Gene Roddenberry would do, 649 00:28:46,011 --> 00:28:48,880 you know, like a retrospective back to the original "Star Trek" 650 00:28:48,980 --> 00:28:53,585 to lead into this or would he add to my pilot script. 651 00:28:53,685 --> 00:28:55,687 He added all the stuff that had to do with Q. 652 00:28:55,787 --> 00:28:58,924 - Three days into shooting, uh, you know, 653 00:28:59,024 --> 00:29:01,860 somebody came up behind me and put his hand on my shoulder 654 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,897 and said, "You have no idea what you've gotten yourself into." 655 00:29:05,997 --> 00:29:08,566 And it was-- it was Roddenberry. 656 00:29:08,666 --> 00:29:11,737 And I didn't have any idea. I mean, you know. 657 00:29:11,837 --> 00:29:13,471 - Riker's relationship with Picard, 658 00:29:13,571 --> 00:29:16,441 which was filled with respect. 659 00:29:16,541 --> 00:29:18,644 With Data, the curiosity that Data had 660 00:29:18,744 --> 00:29:20,478 about being a human being. 661 00:29:20,578 --> 00:29:25,450 And I worked with Worf and Geordi, 662 00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:26,918 the three of us were sort of, you know, 663 00:29:27,018 --> 00:29:29,688 we made the--we kept the together on the ship. 664 00:29:29,788 --> 00:29:34,192 And it was--it all got more natural. 665 00:29:34,292 --> 00:29:35,761 And as it got more natural, 666 00:29:35,861 --> 00:29:38,229 I think it got more appealing to the audience. 667 00:29:38,329 --> 00:29:39,731 - I decided to write a spec script, 668 00:29:39,831 --> 00:29:42,367 so I wrote a script called "The Bonding." 669 00:29:42,467 --> 00:29:45,436 Michael Piller came aboard to be the new head writer, 670 00:29:45,536 --> 00:29:47,238 and he found my script. 671 00:29:47,338 --> 00:29:49,240 And I get this call one day 672 00:29:49,340 --> 00:29:51,777 that he wants to buy it and produce it, 673 00:29:51,877 --> 00:29:53,645 which literally changed my life. 674 00:29:53,745 --> 00:29:57,248 - We used to do 26 episodes a year, and it was great. 675 00:29:57,348 --> 00:29:58,684 So we'd work for ten months, 676 00:29:58,784 --> 00:30:00,852 and then the first Monday after the 4th of July, 677 00:30:00,952 --> 00:30:02,153 we'd come back to work. 678 00:30:02,253 --> 00:30:06,357 And that lasted for seven years and could have lasted, 679 00:30:06,457 --> 00:30:08,694 in all fairness, for ten years probably. 680 00:30:08,794 --> 00:30:12,497 - The humans of the 24th century on "Next Generation" 681 00:30:12,597 --> 00:30:15,333 didn't have the kinds of problems and squabbles 682 00:30:15,433 --> 00:30:19,470 and petty jealousies that we have today. 683 00:30:19,570 --> 00:30:21,673 - Chief O'Brien talks to me. 684 00:30:21,773 --> 00:30:24,342 Keiko talks to you. 685 00:30:24,442 --> 00:30:25,911 Why do they not talk to each other? 686 00:30:26,011 --> 00:30:29,314 That's a good question, Data. 687 00:30:29,414 --> 00:30:31,783 I wish I had a good answer for you. 688 00:30:31,883 --> 00:30:33,785 Perhaps when they're ready, they will. 689 00:30:33,885 --> 00:30:38,724 - Hmm. Many aspects of this situation are puzzling to me. 690 00:30:38,824 --> 00:30:43,528 - Roddenberry somehow magically made us--made me 691 00:30:43,628 --> 00:30:48,433 believe in his vision of the 24th century, right? 692 00:30:48,533 --> 00:30:51,703 He said to me, "In the 24th century, 693 00:30:51,803 --> 00:30:55,673 there will be no hunger, and there will be no greed. 694 00:30:55,773 --> 00:30:59,778 And all of the children will know how to read. 695 00:30:59,878 --> 00:31:01,012 Gene Roddenberry. 696 00:31:01,112 --> 00:31:03,882 - He was given the right to do "Star Trek" 697 00:31:03,982 --> 00:31:05,316 the way he wanted to do it. 698 00:31:05,416 --> 00:31:08,086 Unfortunately his health was failing by the time 699 00:31:08,186 --> 00:31:10,922 they even got "Star Trek: The Next Generation" on. 700 00:31:11,022 --> 00:31:12,991 So he didn't really get the chance to do 701 00:31:13,091 --> 00:31:15,160 all of the things he wanted to do. 702 00:31:15,260 --> 00:31:18,196 When Gene Roddenberry dies in 1991, 703 00:31:18,296 --> 00:31:21,532 "The Next Generation" is more popular than ever. 704 00:31:21,632 --> 00:31:25,370 Carrying on his legacy, week after week, 705 00:31:25,470 --> 00:31:27,806 for the next three years. 706 00:31:27,906 --> 00:31:30,041 - There were those of us, myself included, 707 00:31:30,141 --> 00:31:32,243 who thought it could go on for ten years. 708 00:31:32,343 --> 00:31:33,912 That we weren't done yet. 709 00:31:34,012 --> 00:31:37,648 Knowing that there was another series waiting in the wings 710 00:31:37,748 --> 00:31:40,018 where we could continue to tell stories 711 00:31:40,118 --> 00:31:42,653 that we hadn't told yet made that okay. 712 00:31:42,753 --> 00:31:46,124 And it seemed smart to take "Next Gen" off 713 00:31:46,224 --> 00:31:47,793 at the peak of its popularity. 714 00:31:47,893 --> 00:31:49,761 'Cause it was a very popular show. 715 00:31:49,861 --> 00:31:52,230 There is a part of me that wished, 716 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:55,500 that wishes "Next Gen" had continued. 717 00:32:00,638 --> 00:32:04,342 - I was asked to direct the first "Next Generation" movie. 718 00:32:04,442 --> 00:32:05,811 I just-- I wasn't attracted to it. 719 00:32:05,911 --> 00:32:07,678 I read it, 720 00:32:07,778 --> 00:32:09,347 and it didn't feel like something 721 00:32:09,447 --> 00:32:11,582 that I was gonna have a good time doing. 722 00:32:11,682 --> 00:32:14,552 - Ron Moore and I were asked to write 723 00:32:14,652 --> 00:32:16,922 the first "Next Generation" movie. 724 00:32:17,022 --> 00:32:19,157 We were very excited. 725 00:32:19,257 --> 00:32:21,492 It was the first movie either of us had written. 726 00:32:21,592 --> 00:32:24,629 We loved these characters. We knew these characters. 727 00:32:24,729 --> 00:32:27,799 And we set about conceiving the first "Next Gen" movie. 728 00:32:27,899 --> 00:32:29,567 Kind of hand-off from the original series, 729 00:32:29,667 --> 00:32:30,768 Kirk to Picard. 730 00:32:30,868 --> 00:32:32,570 - There was sort of a list of things 731 00:32:32,670 --> 00:32:34,372 that the movie had to have, 732 00:32:34,472 --> 00:32:35,573 so when Bran and I stepped in, 733 00:32:35,673 --> 00:32:37,575 here's the list of things it has to be. 734 00:32:37,675 --> 00:32:39,777 "It's gonna be the next first "Next Gen" movie. 735 00:32:39,877 --> 00:32:41,446 "It can have the original cast in it. 736 00:32:41,546 --> 00:32:43,581 "We want a transition film, but the original cast 737 00:32:43,681 --> 00:32:45,050 "can only be in the first ten minutes 738 00:32:45,150 --> 00:32:47,052 "or 15 minutes of the movie tops. 739 00:32:47,152 --> 00:32:48,453 "It has to be a Picard story. 740 00:32:48,553 --> 00:32:50,588 "There has to be a Data humorous runner in it. 741 00:32:50,688 --> 00:32:53,825 "We want to have a big villain, sort of like Khan. 742 00:32:53,925 --> 00:32:55,927 "We also want to have the Klingons in it. 743 00:32:56,027 --> 00:32:58,629 And it should probably have some time travel involved." 744 00:32:58,729 --> 00:33:01,432 And you're just going, "Okay. 745 00:33:01,532 --> 00:33:04,102 - By the time "Generations," the first movie, is coming out, 746 00:33:04,202 --> 00:33:06,771 you have Kirk and Picard on the cover of "Time" magazine. 747 00:33:06,871 --> 00:33:09,674 That's the apex, it's the zenith of the show. 748 00:33:09,774 --> 00:33:11,609 - "Generations" was still in the theaters 749 00:33:11,709 --> 00:33:13,811 when the said, "Hey, let's do another one. 750 00:33:13,911 --> 00:33:14,846 And we want you guys to do the second one." 751 00:33:14,946 --> 00:33:16,247 And we said, "Okay." 752 00:33:16,347 --> 00:33:19,384 - "First Contact" was the film that they should have made 753 00:33:19,484 --> 00:33:21,219 every time after that. 754 00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,021 - Then the second movie, "First Contact," 755 00:33:23,121 --> 00:33:24,990 is, you know, a roller coaster ride 756 00:33:25,090 --> 00:33:28,026 and wonderful and really sort of redeems that franchise. 757 00:33:28,126 --> 00:33:31,262 - That movie was a huge success. It made a lot of money. 758 00:33:31,362 --> 00:33:32,663 And everybody liked it. 759 00:33:32,763 --> 00:33:34,933 And Alfre Woodard was great in it. 760 00:33:35,033 --> 00:33:36,301 And Cromwell was great in it. 761 00:33:36,401 --> 00:33:41,672 - I'm not a drinker, so I got a fifth of Jamesons. 762 00:33:41,772 --> 00:33:45,911 And I took one before when we rehearsed. 763 00:33:46,011 --> 00:33:49,880 And then between every shot, I would go back up to my tr-- 764 00:33:51,616 --> 00:33:56,321 So by the time I did the thing we're at the bar, 765 00:33:56,421 --> 00:34:01,927 when I take the drink... 766 00:34:02,027 --> 00:34:04,829 Ahh! 767 00:34:04,929 --> 00:34:07,398 Oh! 768 00:34:09,134 --> 00:34:10,936 "Star Trek: First Contact" 769 00:34:11,036 --> 00:34:14,405 debuts in 1996 with Commander Riker himself, 770 00:34:14,505 --> 00:34:17,242 Jonathan Frakes in the director's chair. 771 00:34:17,342 --> 00:34:18,676 - It was great to work with Jonathan, you know? 772 00:34:18,776 --> 00:34:20,711 We'd worked with him before as a director on the show, 773 00:34:20,811 --> 00:34:23,481 so we knew his working methods, he knew us, you know. 774 00:34:23,581 --> 00:34:25,250 There was a great shorthand, obviously, 775 00:34:25,350 --> 00:34:27,218 between him and the entire cast and the crew. 776 00:34:27,318 --> 00:34:30,855 - This was our first movie that was just "Next Gen." 777 00:34:30,955 --> 00:34:33,925 So that--that was a life-changer, you know. 778 00:34:34,025 --> 00:34:35,893 - I think "Star Trek's" a TV show. 779 00:34:35,993 --> 00:34:39,164 The movies are fun, but, you know, 780 00:34:39,264 --> 00:34:40,698 it's--it's a TV show. 781 00:34:40,798 --> 00:34:44,069 It needs to tell the stories each week. 782 00:34:44,169 --> 00:34:47,138 - "First Contact" is fanta-- it's like-- 783 00:34:47,238 --> 00:34:49,640 it's the best of the "Next Generation" movies. 784 00:34:49,740 --> 00:34:51,409 I'm sorry, everyone, that's how I feel. 785 00:34:51,509 --> 00:34:53,578 - Probably. - I see some grunting happening 786 00:34:53,678 --> 00:34:55,513 over on the corners here. 787 00:34:55,613 --> 00:34:57,848 Bobak, you grunted particularly hard. 788 00:34:57,948 --> 00:34:59,684 - I'm just a big "Insurrection" fan because-- 789 00:34:59,784 --> 00:35:01,052 - What? What? 790 00:35:01,152 --> 00:35:02,620 - It's the most like a "TNG" episode. 791 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:05,256 The movies really, like, diverge from my thought 792 00:35:05,356 --> 00:35:06,524 what made the show great. 793 00:35:06,624 --> 00:35:09,995 And I like that it was a little bit more of that 794 00:35:10,095 --> 00:35:12,930 "TNG"-style episode than I felt the rest of the movies were. 795 00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:14,832 - So we go from "Insurrection." 796 00:35:14,932 --> 00:35:17,602 "Voyager's" still running at this point. 797 00:35:17,702 --> 00:35:21,139 And then we end up with, I hate to say it, 798 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:22,974 "Star Trek: Nemesis," so Janeway-- 799 00:35:23,074 --> 00:35:24,475 - They asked me to be in that. Did you know that? 800 00:35:24,575 --> 00:35:26,077 - Really? What were you gonna do in that? 801 00:35:26,177 --> 00:35:27,545 Were you gonna be on the Enterprise? 802 00:35:27,645 --> 00:35:28,713 - Evidently. - Why would you say no? 803 00:35:28,813 --> 00:35:30,048 What is wrong with you? 804 00:35:30,148 --> 00:35:31,516 - 'Cause I had just gotten off of "Voyager." 805 00:35:31,616 --> 00:35:33,318 - Oh, my God, Jeri. - My biggest fear is in signing 806 00:35:33,418 --> 00:35:36,254 on to "Star Trek" to begin with, not having been a fan, 807 00:35:36,354 --> 00:35:37,755 and not really knowing much about it other than that 808 00:35:37,855 --> 00:35:39,457 the actors get pigeonholed. - Yeah. 809 00:35:39,557 --> 00:35:40,725 - And it was sort of known for that. 810 00:35:40,825 --> 00:35:43,294 - Yeah. - That was one of my big fears 811 00:35:43,394 --> 00:35:46,564 in accepting the role is ever breaking out of that character. 812 00:35:46,664 --> 00:35:48,499 I don't know if that's even... - No, please. 813 00:35:48,599 --> 00:35:50,135 - Known by anybody, but apparently they were 814 00:35:50,235 --> 00:35:51,269 replacing a character. 815 00:35:51,369 --> 00:35:53,304 They were gonna yank and character out 816 00:35:53,404 --> 00:35:55,173 and stick Seven of Nine in there. 817 00:35:55,273 --> 00:35:56,607 It's a popular character, get her in the movie. 818 00:35:56,707 --> 00:35:58,643 And that's what it felt like. And it didn't feel like 819 00:35:58,743 --> 00:35:59,777 it would be anything other than that story-wise. 820 00:35:59,877 --> 00:36:05,483 - Yeah. 821 00:36:05,583 --> 00:36:08,085 "Deep Space Nine" is the most meaningful to me. 822 00:36:08,485 --> 00:36:10,521 Because it gets into 823 00:36:10,621 --> 00:36:11,756 the darker side. 824 00:36:11,856 --> 00:36:13,491 I mean, it's after Gene Roddenberry's death. 825 00:36:13,591 --> 00:36:16,627 They're kinda free to kind of get away from this, you know, 826 00:36:16,727 --> 00:36:18,796 - everything ends happily. - Yeah. 827 00:36:18,896 --> 00:36:21,132 - You know, you look at war in a variety of different ways. 828 00:36:21,232 --> 00:36:23,501 I mean, there's a great episode on PTSD, 829 00:36:23,601 --> 00:36:26,437 where Nog has to deal with the loss of his leg. 830 00:36:26,537 --> 00:36:27,772 Nobody does that kind of stuff. - Right. 831 00:36:27,872 --> 00:36:29,207 On science fiction in particular. 832 00:36:29,307 --> 00:36:32,543 And so I think that show in terms of its depth, 833 00:36:32,643 --> 00:36:34,779 in terms of the issues it would address, 834 00:36:34,879 --> 00:36:36,547 I thought made it the best. 835 00:36:36,647 --> 00:36:38,649 And, you know, arguably there are some of the best episodes 836 00:36:38,749 --> 00:36:41,252 of all 700-plus hours. 837 00:36:45,990 --> 00:36:47,558 - "The Next Generation" had become such a success 838 00:36:47,658 --> 00:36:49,294 in first-run syndication for the studio 839 00:36:49,394 --> 00:36:51,896 that they wanted more, so you had "Deep Space Nine," 840 00:36:51,996 --> 00:36:55,066 which was about a space station 841 00:36:55,166 --> 00:36:56,534 and it was a little darker. 842 00:36:56,634 --> 00:36:58,303 - "Next Gen" was my undergraduate studies 843 00:36:58,403 --> 00:37:00,105 in TV writing and production, 844 00:37:00,205 --> 00:37:01,572 and "Deep Space Nine" was graduate. 845 00:37:01,672 --> 00:37:05,410 - "DS9" had such a different feel 846 00:37:05,510 --> 00:37:06,777 while still being "Star Trek." 847 00:37:06,877 --> 00:37:08,379 It took things even deeper. 848 00:37:08,479 --> 00:37:10,848 - We were attracted to doing darker stories. 849 00:37:10,948 --> 00:37:12,683 We were attracted to doing stories 850 00:37:12,783 --> 00:37:14,152 that had much more conflict in them, 851 00:37:14,252 --> 00:37:15,920 that were more morally ambiguous, 852 00:37:16,020 --> 00:37:18,723 that were tackling difficult subject matter 853 00:37:18,823 --> 00:37:20,057 with our characters. 854 00:37:20,157 --> 00:37:22,927 And we all felt that we were pushing "Trek," 855 00:37:23,027 --> 00:37:24,729 but none of us felt like we were breaking it. 856 00:37:24,829 --> 00:37:29,167 - That was the first time that you see 857 00:37:29,267 --> 00:37:36,174 what television is now, which is dark and foreboding. 858 00:37:36,274 --> 00:37:39,043 - And I really wanted to do the show. 859 00:37:39,143 --> 00:37:41,179 Really wanted to do the show. 860 00:37:41,279 --> 00:37:42,880 I-I was like-- 861 00:37:42,980 --> 00:37:46,451 I just--not only as an actor who would get a steady paycheck, 862 00:37:46,551 --> 00:37:49,053 but more importantly, as a fan of the show 863 00:37:49,153 --> 00:37:52,490 I wanted to be part of the ethos that was "Star Trek." 864 00:37:52,590 --> 00:37:55,526 - It's really nice to see that people could stick with the show 865 00:37:55,626 --> 00:37:59,230 when it became darker and more demanding of its audience. 866 00:37:59,330 --> 00:38:05,035 - But no victory can make this moment any easier for me. 867 00:38:05,135 --> 00:38:12,109 And I promise I will not rest until I stand with you again. 868 00:38:12,209 --> 00:38:14,111 - Somebody had the brilliant idea 869 00:38:14,211 --> 00:38:18,416 of bringing Worf onto our show. 870 00:38:18,516 --> 00:38:21,852 - Unfortunately, I will be away from the station at that time. 871 00:38:21,952 --> 00:38:23,688 - What they hoped would happen did happen. 872 00:38:23,788 --> 00:38:26,924 Thousands, if not millions, of people 873 00:38:27,024 --> 00:38:29,960 watched because Worf was on the show. 874 00:38:30,060 --> 00:38:33,464 And so our fan base got resurrected 875 00:38:33,564 --> 00:38:34,899 because of Michael Dorn. 876 00:38:34,999 --> 00:38:37,468 - And I had my concerns about that 877 00:38:37,568 --> 00:38:39,970 'cause I didn't want Worf to be standing around, 878 00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:42,307 just to be a, you know, some guy that just-- 879 00:38:42,407 --> 00:38:43,574 they throw in there. 880 00:38:43,674 --> 00:38:45,843 I really want him to open up as a character. 881 00:38:45,943 --> 00:38:49,480 - Worf was, like, really the only choice from that cast 882 00:38:49,580 --> 00:38:51,382 that made any sense and that would actually add 883 00:38:51,482 --> 00:38:52,750 something to the puzzle. 884 00:38:52,850 --> 00:38:55,553 Here's the war-like character coming into a situation 885 00:38:55,653 --> 00:38:57,121 that's a war-torn environment. 886 00:38:57,221 --> 00:38:59,590 So that made a certain amount of sense. 887 00:38:59,690 --> 00:39:02,927 - What is that smell? 888 00:39:03,027 --> 00:39:08,098 Is there a pile of rotting forshak in here. 889 00:39:08,198 --> 00:39:10,501 I loved my time on "Next Generation," 890 00:39:10,601 --> 00:39:13,938 but the work I did on "Deep Space" was much better. 891 00:39:14,038 --> 00:39:16,707 - Over my tenure on "Deep Space," 892 00:39:16,807 --> 00:39:18,042 that was the mantra was, 893 00:39:18,142 --> 00:39:20,311 "How far can we push this franchise? 894 00:39:20,411 --> 00:39:21,912 "Or what are the places we can go 895 00:39:22,012 --> 00:39:23,348 "that none of the other shows can go? 896 00:39:23,448 --> 00:39:25,015 "What can't they do in 'Star Trek,' 897 00:39:25,115 --> 00:39:26,584 and is there a way we can do it?" 898 00:39:26,684 --> 00:39:29,019 - Every "Star Trek" show broke grounds in some way, you know? 899 00:39:29,119 --> 00:39:32,390 "Deep Space Nine," Sisko, he was a black captain. 900 00:39:32,490 --> 00:39:35,092 And then you have Janeway in "Voyager," a woman. 901 00:39:35,192 --> 00:39:37,728 I mean, they were always thinking ahead. 902 00:39:42,700 --> 00:39:45,270 When "Voyager" launches in 1995, 903 00:39:45,370 --> 00:39:47,238 "Star Trek" has been pushing the envelope 904 00:39:47,338 --> 00:39:49,139 for nearly 30 years. 905 00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,009 The new series pushes further. 906 00:39:52,109 --> 00:39:54,379 - A lot of women of a certain age 907 00:39:54,479 --> 00:39:57,348 who that show meant a lot to because of Kate. 908 00:39:57,448 --> 00:39:58,949 You know, they look at it, you know, 909 00:39:59,049 --> 00:40:00,751 the same way that guys of my generation 910 00:40:00,851 --> 00:40:02,453 look at Kirk as a role model, 911 00:40:02,553 --> 00:40:04,689 they look at Kate's Janeway and say, 912 00:40:04,789 --> 00:40:07,292 "You know, she proved that, you know, 913 00:40:07,392 --> 00:40:10,728 "I could be thoughtful and smart and commanding, 914 00:40:10,828 --> 00:40:13,364 and not necessarily use my sexuality to get what I want." 915 00:40:13,464 --> 00:40:16,801 - Then you leave me no choice. 916 00:40:16,901 --> 00:40:19,570 You are hereby relieved of duty until further notice. 917 00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:21,606 - As a writer, writing Captain Janeway, 918 00:40:21,706 --> 00:40:23,441 I didn't think of her as a woman. 919 00:40:23,541 --> 00:40:24,909 I thought of her as the captain. 920 00:40:25,009 --> 00:40:28,145 And I think it's great that she ended up being a role model 921 00:40:28,245 --> 00:40:30,681 to a lot of people, men or women. 922 00:40:30,781 --> 00:40:32,950 - I was very happy and proud 923 00:40:33,050 --> 00:40:36,887 of what the producers had done with this cast in "Voyager." 924 00:40:36,987 --> 00:40:39,189 First of all, starting off with a female captain 925 00:40:39,289 --> 00:40:40,658 'cause we had not seen that before. 926 00:40:40,758 --> 00:40:43,761 - My friend, Rene, got cast in "Deep Space." 927 00:40:43,861 --> 00:40:47,164 And he told me how cool it was, and I envied him. 928 00:40:47,264 --> 00:40:49,033 I said, "What a great show to be on," you know. 929 00:40:49,133 --> 00:40:50,735 And then a couple of years later, 930 00:40:50,835 --> 00:40:52,437 boom, I was in "Voyager." 931 00:40:52,537 --> 00:40:54,339 And I-I had no idea 932 00:40:54,439 --> 00:40:56,441 what the character was makeup-wise, you know? 933 00:40:56,541 --> 00:40:59,310 But I flew out and I-I went into the room, 934 00:40:59,410 --> 00:41:01,512 and there was UPN, and there was Paramount, 935 00:41:01,612 --> 00:41:04,949 and there were the creators of "Star Trek." 936 00:41:05,049 --> 00:41:07,217 And, um, I read 937 00:41:07,317 --> 00:41:09,387 and I guess I was exactly what what they were looking for. 938 00:41:09,487 --> 00:41:12,256 - "Star Trek: Voyager" is probably my first acting job. 939 00:41:12,356 --> 00:41:14,291 And I was so excited, and I was so nervous. 940 00:41:14,391 --> 00:41:18,329 It was a two-part special and I was playing a scientist. 941 00:41:18,429 --> 00:41:19,764 - What do you do here? 942 00:41:19,864 --> 00:41:22,667 - We watch the skies. - For what? 943 00:41:22,767 --> 00:41:25,302 - Signs of extraterrestrial life. 944 00:41:25,402 --> 00:41:27,037 Nice meeting you. 945 00:41:27,137 --> 00:41:29,540 I remembered going to my acting coach, 946 00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:32,109 and he read through the script. 947 00:41:32,209 --> 00:41:34,512 I was looking to him for guidance. 948 00:41:34,612 --> 00:41:37,214 And he just went, uh, 949 00:41:37,314 --> 00:41:39,884 "You know, sometimes when you're running from lasers, 950 00:41:39,984 --> 00:41:44,154 you just--you just gotta pretend you're running from lasers." 951 00:41:44,254 --> 00:41:47,725 - Get down! 952 00:41:47,825 --> 00:41:49,527 - I was like, "Oh.' Ahem. 953 00:41:49,627 --> 00:41:50,995 It gave me so much freedom. 954 00:41:51,095 --> 00:41:53,631 I was like, "Oh, yeah, I just--I pretend," you know? 955 00:41:53,731 --> 00:41:58,002 You don't really draw from your childhood or something. 956 00:41:58,102 --> 00:42:00,505 You just pretend you're running from lasers. 957 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,341 What the hell? 958 00:42:04,441 --> 00:42:06,477 - What I wanted to do was bring the Borg in. 959 00:42:06,577 --> 00:42:08,379 It was my feeling that the Borg 960 00:42:08,479 --> 00:42:10,981 could always be "Voyager's" Klingons. 961 00:42:11,081 --> 00:42:12,249 They needed a recurring villain. 962 00:42:12,349 --> 00:42:14,118 And for better or worse, 963 00:42:14,218 --> 00:42:15,786 that's what we ended up doing. 964 00:42:15,886 --> 00:42:18,055 And it's one of the things that defined "Voyager" 965 00:42:18,155 --> 00:42:20,758 was the introduction of the Seven of Nine character. 966 00:42:20,858 --> 00:42:25,496 You had a very sexy woman in a very sexy outfit. 967 00:42:25,596 --> 00:42:26,764 You know, it was supposed to lure in 968 00:42:26,864 --> 00:42:28,165 a certain male demographic. 969 00:42:28,265 --> 00:42:31,168 But, in reality, she was the Spock character. 970 00:42:31,268 --> 00:42:33,203 She was the Data character. 971 00:42:33,303 --> 00:42:34,405 - Report. 972 00:42:34,505 --> 00:42:36,841 - I've applied 10,053 algorithms 973 00:42:36,941 --> 00:42:40,044 to the energy signatures produced by chaotic space. 974 00:42:40,144 --> 00:42:43,313 - The Roddenberry influence was always respected. 975 00:42:43,413 --> 00:42:45,583 We didn't want to do something 976 00:42:45,683 --> 00:42:49,520 totally, outrageously anti-Roddenberry. 977 00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:51,656 - It's almost like you have to keep pinching yourself. 978 00:42:51,756 --> 00:42:54,459 You show up on these sets and you have to remind yourself, 979 00:42:54,559 --> 00:42:57,194 "I'm in the middle of something that when we do it right, 980 00:42:57,294 --> 00:42:59,296 is really important, can really affect people." 981 00:42:59,396 --> 00:43:01,532 Now it's hard to do that on every single episode. 982 00:43:01,632 --> 00:43:03,768 I don't know who has ever succeeded in that, 983 00:43:03,868 --> 00:43:06,537 but I think that we all could feel as a cast 984 00:43:06,637 --> 00:43:09,774 when we were telling a good story and doing it well. 985 00:43:15,279 --> 00:43:16,747 - There was a lot of discussion what "Enterprise" 986 00:43:16,847 --> 00:43:19,316 would look like and feel like. 987 00:43:19,416 --> 00:43:20,751 "Star Trek: Enterprise" 988 00:43:20,851 --> 00:43:23,053 is a prequel to the entire franchise. 989 00:43:23,153 --> 00:43:24,789 Set in the 22nd century, 990 00:43:24,889 --> 00:43:28,258 as Starfleet's first explorers venture into space. 991 00:43:28,358 --> 00:43:30,294 - You know, we were trying to, I think, 992 00:43:30,394 --> 00:43:32,196 deconstruct "Star Trek" and figure out, you know, 993 00:43:32,296 --> 00:43:33,498 how it all came together. 994 00:43:33,598 --> 00:43:35,265 You know, we'd certainly seen the future 995 00:43:35,365 --> 00:43:37,735 of where it was all going. 996 00:43:37,835 --> 00:43:40,738 And it was a real challenge to kind of back that up 997 00:43:40,838 --> 00:43:43,841 and imagine, you know, what was this-- 998 00:43:43,941 --> 00:43:47,011 what was this like 150 years before Captain Kirk. 999 00:43:47,111 --> 00:43:49,213 - I called my mother and said, 1000 00:43:49,313 --> 00:43:51,482 "Ma, I'm not gonna have to stress about work. 1001 00:43:51,582 --> 00:43:52,650 I got a job." 1002 00:43:52,750 --> 00:43:56,120 - I had to audition with a slight alien accent 1003 00:43:56,220 --> 00:43:59,056 for the character of Dr. Phlox, which puzzled me. 1004 00:43:59,156 --> 00:44:00,825 I didn't really know what to do, so I-- 1005 00:44:00,925 --> 00:44:02,693 I sort of tried out a variety of funny voices 1006 00:44:02,793 --> 00:44:04,461 with my wife before I settled on the voice 1007 00:44:04,561 --> 00:44:06,296 I eventually arrived at. 1008 00:44:06,396 --> 00:44:07,965 Sounds sort of vaguely East Indian. 1009 00:44:08,065 --> 00:44:11,869 I don't believe you'll be needing my services. 1010 00:44:11,969 --> 00:44:13,538 - You know, I thought that we were gonna make it 1011 00:44:13,638 --> 00:44:15,139 and that we were gonna do seven years 1012 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,707 like all the rest of these shows. 1013 00:44:16,807 --> 00:44:19,844 - I was just trying to tell good stories 1014 00:44:19,944 --> 00:44:23,981 and do Gene's vision proud. 1015 00:44:24,081 --> 00:44:26,917 Tell the best "Star Trek" stories that I could, you know? 1016 00:44:27,017 --> 00:44:29,286 And now that I'm no longer involved with the show, 1017 00:44:29,386 --> 00:44:35,693 I'm the fan eagerly awaiting the next television show. 1018 00:44:37,762 --> 00:44:40,497 - So in the '60s, I mean, it a period of racial discord. 1019 00:44:40,597 --> 00:44:43,300 We got the Vietnam War, youth rebellions, 1020 00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,736 emerging feminism, and, you know, TV-- 1021 00:44:45,836 --> 00:44:48,272 - Dirty hippies. - Dirty hi--exactly. 1022 00:44:48,372 --> 00:44:50,174 There's no series or television show 1023 00:44:50,274 --> 00:44:51,475 really addressing these things. 1024 00:44:51,575 --> 00:44:53,578 You know, Roddenberry's able to do is kind of explore 1025 00:44:53,678 --> 00:44:57,314 these things, but again, in a way which is-- 1026 00:44:57,414 --> 00:44:59,183 not only avoids the censors, 1027 00:44:59,283 --> 00:45:00,818 which he had a lot of problems with, 1028 00:45:00,918 --> 00:45:03,520 but also allows the audience 1029 00:45:03,620 --> 00:45:06,090 to kind of look at it from a different perspective. 1030 00:45:06,190 --> 00:45:08,525 And if they were looking at race in America 1031 00:45:08,625 --> 00:45:10,828 on a documentary, that's just not gonna have 1032 00:45:10,928 --> 00:45:12,329 the kind of impact, whereas in 1033 00:45:12,429 --> 00:45:13,764 "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield," 1034 00:45:13,864 --> 00:45:15,532 we have the black and white faces. 1035 00:45:15,632 --> 00:45:17,367 You know, and you can imagine what the American public 1036 00:45:17,467 --> 00:45:19,336 was looking at this going, "You know, 1037 00:45:19,436 --> 00:45:20,805 yeah, this is right. This is kinda strange." 1038 00:45:20,905 --> 00:45:23,307 And again, this is an episode that was done right after Mart-- 1039 00:45:23,407 --> 00:45:24,308 it was produced right after 1040 00:45:24,408 --> 00:45:25,610 Martin Luther King's assassination. 1041 00:45:25,710 --> 00:45:27,578 - That's the beauty of sci-fi. You can sort of 1042 00:45:27,678 --> 00:45:30,414 have these allegories without 1043 00:45:30,514 --> 00:45:32,282 people knowing they're being taught a lesson. 1044 00:45:32,382 --> 00:45:33,584 - Yeah. - Big two on the nose. 1045 00:45:33,684 --> 00:45:34,719 - Yeah, they just think they're watching 1046 00:45:34,819 --> 00:45:37,554 a fun space adventure with a Canadian. 1047 00:45:41,225 --> 00:45:44,629 - "Star Trek" very much at a time when, you know, 1048 00:45:44,729 --> 00:45:47,464 race, in particular, in the '60s was such a big thing. 1049 00:45:47,564 --> 00:45:49,399 It broke down those barriers in terms of talking-- 1050 00:45:49,499 --> 00:45:53,303 talking about color, multi-culturalism, other people. 1051 00:45:53,403 --> 00:45:57,842 And instead of making walls, and instead of trying to 1052 00:45:57,942 --> 00:45:59,509 villainize others, 1053 00:45:59,609 --> 00:46:01,345 it was all about embracing the other. 1054 00:46:01,445 --> 00:46:05,716 - Because, you know, when you look at the "Star Trek" world, 1055 00:46:05,816 --> 00:46:09,419 you know, Gene really wanted to create a world 1056 00:46:09,519 --> 00:46:12,489 where everybody could be, you know? 1057 00:46:12,589 --> 00:46:14,925 And if we were having some kind of trouble, 1058 00:46:15,025 --> 00:46:16,226 we could talk it out. 1059 00:46:16,326 --> 00:46:19,697 - We had one of the most wonderful icons 1060 00:46:19,797 --> 00:46:22,967 in Nichelle Nichols, who was not only African American, 1061 00:46:23,067 --> 00:46:25,102 she was a woman. 1062 00:46:25,202 --> 00:46:27,705 And, you know, she was there on the bridge all the time. 1063 00:46:27,805 --> 00:46:29,173 She was important. 1064 00:46:29,273 --> 00:46:30,875 Sometimes she would just say, "Channels open, sir," 1065 00:46:30,975 --> 00:46:33,377 but the thing was that she was there. 1066 00:46:33,477 --> 00:46:37,581 - She speaks perfect English. 1067 00:46:37,681 --> 00:46:41,051 She's the communications officer 1068 00:46:41,151 --> 00:46:43,353 and she takes that very seriously. 1069 00:46:43,453 --> 00:46:46,791 - She is not only gorgeous, 1070 00:46:46,891 --> 00:46:49,827 but she is the communications officer. 1071 00:46:49,927 --> 00:46:51,595 She's the one you have to talk to 1072 00:46:51,695 --> 00:46:53,964 if you want to talk to anybody out in space. 1073 00:46:54,064 --> 00:46:56,233 And she's fly, okay? 1074 00:46:56,333 --> 00:46:59,737 And they all want to bone her, and you know it. 1075 00:46:59,837 --> 00:47:02,106 - And there were some stations in the South that said, 1076 00:47:02,206 --> 00:47:03,640 "Oh, you're having," what was then, 1077 00:47:03,740 --> 00:47:06,410 "a black woman on the bridge. 1078 00:47:06,510 --> 00:47:07,812 We're not gonna show your show." 1079 00:47:07,912 --> 00:47:10,247 And Roddenberry said, "you," you know. 1080 00:47:11,415 --> 00:47:13,617 And, you know, "Too bad. You lose." 1081 00:47:13,717 --> 00:47:16,453 - A woman of color in the late '60s 1082 00:47:16,553 --> 00:47:19,056 while the civil rights riots were going on. 1083 00:47:19,156 --> 00:47:22,126 Her presence there was a big deal. 1084 00:47:22,226 --> 00:47:24,929 - I had just been offered 1085 00:47:25,029 --> 00:47:28,098 a major role in a Broadway musical. 1086 00:47:28,198 --> 00:47:32,436 And I met Dr. Martin Luther King. 1087 00:47:32,536 --> 00:47:36,807 And I was so excited to tell him. 1088 00:47:36,907 --> 00:47:38,876 And he said, "You can't do that." 1089 00:47:38,976 --> 00:47:41,846 He said, "Don't you understand what you're doing? 1090 00:47:41,946 --> 00:47:45,349 "This is television and there's nobody like you on TV. 1091 00:47:45,449 --> 00:47:49,653 You can't-- you can't abdicate." 1092 00:47:49,753 --> 00:47:50,921 And I couldn't. 1093 00:47:51,021 --> 00:47:52,689 - The main thing that has struck me 1094 00:47:52,789 --> 00:47:58,362 about Gene's series at the time was how he mirrored 1095 00:47:58,462 --> 00:48:00,530 the things that were going on in our society 1096 00:48:00,630 --> 00:48:03,467 by using the aliens and the humans 1097 00:48:03,567 --> 00:48:05,069 to carry out those storylines. 1098 00:48:05,169 --> 00:48:06,771 He was very clever in doing that. 1099 00:48:06,871 --> 00:48:07,972 - I liked the idea. 1100 00:48:08,072 --> 00:48:11,108 I'm not sure it was always executed 1101 00:48:11,208 --> 00:48:12,810 as well as it might have. 1102 00:48:12,910 --> 00:48:14,244 I think we used the bludgeon 1103 00:48:14,344 --> 00:48:17,014 when we did the story of the half black and half white. 1104 00:48:17,114 --> 00:48:19,383 You know, but we did it you know? 1105 00:48:19,483 --> 00:48:22,152 And good for us for taking on the issue. 1106 00:48:22,252 --> 00:48:24,321 - I am black on the right side. 1107 00:48:27,357 --> 00:48:28,692 * 1108 00:48:28,792 --> 00:48:31,829 - I fail to see the significant difference. 1109 00:48:31,929 --> 00:48:33,463 - Lokai is white on the right-- 1110 00:48:33,563 --> 00:48:36,733 all of his people are white on the right side. 1111 00:48:36,833 --> 00:48:39,837 - Frank Gorshin was a wonderful performer, 1112 00:48:39,937 --> 00:48:42,807 and he and Lou Antonio were the two actors 1113 00:48:42,907 --> 00:48:45,009 who played these opposing roles. 1114 00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:47,544 People who were actually mirror images of each other 1115 00:48:47,644 --> 00:48:50,647 should hate each other they way they did. 1116 00:48:50,747 --> 00:48:53,150 And there was that great moment where Kirk says, 1117 00:48:53,250 --> 00:48:55,352 "Why do you people hate each other so much? 1118 00:48:55,452 --> 00:48:57,687 You're--you're the same." 1119 00:48:57,787 --> 00:48:59,123 "Don't you get it? 1120 00:48:59,223 --> 00:49:01,826 He's black on the right side, I'm black on the left." 1121 00:49:01,926 --> 00:49:05,229 You know, "Oh." 1122 00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:07,031 - Science fiction is at its best 1123 00:49:07,131 --> 00:49:08,732 when it challenges you. 1124 00:49:08,832 --> 00:49:11,936 It presents a message while disguising itself 1125 00:49:12,036 --> 00:49:13,403 as entertainment. 1126 00:49:13,503 --> 00:49:15,672 - In an episode called "Symbiosis," 1127 00:49:15,772 --> 00:49:18,809 there's a planet where they're all addicted. 1128 00:49:18,909 --> 00:49:21,745 And there's another species 1129 00:49:21,845 --> 00:49:23,814 that always supplies them with their drug. 1130 00:49:23,914 --> 00:49:25,816 And we know that-- that this is 1131 00:49:25,916 --> 00:49:28,752 this horrible enabling situation. 1132 00:49:28,852 --> 00:49:32,256 And we could easily cure the addicts. 1133 00:49:32,356 --> 00:49:36,693 - Please, help us. - I'm not sure that I can. 1134 00:49:39,029 --> 00:49:40,430 - But do we get involved 1135 00:49:40,530 --> 00:49:41,932 or do we let them figure it out? 1136 00:49:42,032 --> 00:49:45,035 - The moment that I felt was so haunting to me 1137 00:49:45,135 --> 00:49:47,737 was the one where B'Elanna is pregnant 1138 00:49:47,837 --> 00:49:50,841 and can see that her child will have Klingon DNA 1139 00:49:50,941 --> 00:49:54,111 and be born with the forehead and she has developed a way 1140 00:49:54,211 --> 00:49:56,046 to possibly alter that so her daughter 1141 00:49:56,146 --> 00:49:58,515 doesn't have to go through what she went through. 1142 00:49:58,615 --> 00:50:01,518 And I wept when I read the episode. 1143 00:50:01,618 --> 00:50:03,187 But then to be responsible for a child 1144 00:50:03,287 --> 00:50:06,790 and to have the technology to change the future of this child. 1145 00:50:06,890 --> 00:50:09,259 And it was, um-- 1146 00:50:09,359 --> 00:50:11,128 it was a difficult and wonderful episode. 1147 00:50:11,228 --> 00:50:12,796 - When you look at Data, you know, 1148 00:50:12,896 --> 00:50:15,900 at one point he is on trial, you know. 1149 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,604 And it's, like, is he on trial because he's different? 1150 00:50:20,704 --> 00:50:24,641 Is he on trial because he should be not be thinking 1151 00:50:24,741 --> 00:50:26,776 the way that he's thinking because he's, after all, 1152 00:50:26,876 --> 00:50:28,845 a machine and should not be moving-- 1153 00:50:28,945 --> 00:50:32,716 I mean, they're all the questions that we deal with. 1154 00:50:32,816 --> 00:50:36,020 And whether it's race because it's skin color, 1155 00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:38,855 or race because you're an android, 1156 00:50:38,955 --> 00:50:41,992 or, you know, race because you're only this big and fuzzy. 1157 00:50:42,092 --> 00:50:43,460 You're a Tribble, you know? 1158 00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,663 It's all of these stories go into saying, 1159 00:50:46,763 --> 00:50:50,167 "Hey, we actually all have to try to do this together." 1160 00:50:52,102 --> 00:50:53,904 - The cultural makeup of the bridge, 1161 00:50:54,004 --> 00:50:55,705 that was science fiction... - Absolutely. 1162 00:50:55,805 --> 00:50:57,441 - In the mid '60s. 1163 00:50:57,541 --> 00:50:59,709 People who watch it today have no idea 1164 00:50:59,809 --> 00:51:02,312 how startling that was. 1165 00:51:02,412 --> 00:51:04,681 You had this multi-cultural crew, 1166 00:51:04,781 --> 00:51:05,882 not just multi-cultural, 1167 00:51:05,982 --> 00:51:09,053 but it was male and female as well. 1168 00:51:09,153 --> 00:51:11,989 I mean, I know that when Roddenberry did the first pilot 1169 00:51:12,089 --> 00:51:13,790 and Majel Barrett was Number One, 1170 00:51:13,890 --> 00:51:15,725 the studio was like... - Yeah. 1171 00:51:15,825 --> 00:51:21,865 - Who's gonna believe a woman in charge of a starship? 1172 00:51:21,965 --> 00:51:23,667 - The thing that's really amazing about "Star Trek" 1173 00:51:23,767 --> 00:51:25,235 is that it definitely has inspired people 1174 00:51:25,335 --> 00:51:27,637 to sort of, you know, proceed down that path, right? 1175 00:51:27,737 --> 00:51:29,273 - Yeah. - A lot of technologists, 1176 00:51:29,373 --> 00:51:31,841 of course talk about the StarTAC Motorola phone, right? 1177 00:51:31,941 --> 00:51:33,510 The flip phone coming from the communicator. 1178 00:51:33,610 --> 00:51:36,513 But it gives people a vision to sort of think about, 1179 00:51:36,613 --> 00:51:38,048 "Well, why isn't that possible? 1180 00:51:38,148 --> 00:51:39,449 - Well, the PADD is an obvious thing, 1181 00:51:39,549 --> 00:51:41,585 which the iPad, I think, was designed after specifically. 1182 00:51:41,685 --> 00:51:43,153 - Didn't they say... - Yes. 1183 00:51:43,253 --> 00:51:44,321 - He took the design from iPad-- - Yes. 1184 00:51:44,421 --> 00:51:47,024 - Well, they wanted to call it a PADD, 1185 00:51:47,124 --> 00:51:48,558 Personal Access Display Device, 1186 00:51:48,658 --> 00:51:49,726 which is what we called it on the show, 1187 00:51:49,826 --> 00:51:51,495 but Paramount wouldn't allow it. 1188 00:51:51,595 --> 00:51:53,263 - And what's really neat, I mean, 1189 00:51:53,363 --> 00:51:54,931 the computer interaction is things like we get 1190 00:51:55,031 --> 00:51:57,367 with Siri and Alexa. - Well, yes, exactly. 1191 00:51:57,467 --> 00:51:59,169 I mean, you literally talk to a computer, 1192 00:51:59,269 --> 00:52:01,038 and it, you know, responds to your queries. 1193 00:52:01,138 --> 00:52:02,806 - Wow, you don't even think about that. 1194 00:52:02,906 --> 00:52:03,807 - Yeah. - I mean, I think this is 1195 00:52:03,907 --> 00:52:06,643 a really--kind of a neat dynamic 1196 00:52:06,743 --> 00:52:09,279 of science sort of influencing science fiction 1197 00:52:09,379 --> 00:52:12,916 and in return, getting some sort of inspiration back. 1198 00:52:13,016 --> 00:52:14,784 - The only thing they got really, really wrong for me 1199 00:52:14,884 --> 00:52:16,386 is the fact that they plugged Data in. 1200 00:52:16,486 --> 00:52:17,921 I feel like he'd have Bluetooth. 1201 00:52:20,424 --> 00:52:21,825 - They got to put him in his charger every night. 1202 00:52:22,859 --> 00:52:24,161 - When I see someone in a restaurant 1203 00:52:24,261 --> 00:52:26,796 and they have the Bluetooth in their ear 1204 00:52:26,896 --> 00:52:28,765 while dining with someone else, 1205 00:52:28,865 --> 00:52:31,901 I usually shout out, "Let it go, Uhura." 1206 00:52:33,903 --> 00:52:34,804 And you know what? 1207 00:52:34,904 --> 00:52:36,040 They know what I'm talking about. 1208 00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:37,974 - Oh, there you go. - And they feel horrible. 1209 00:52:42,746 --> 00:52:45,515 - Gene was clearly a visionary. 1210 00:52:45,615 --> 00:52:47,151 He went and studied, though, 1211 00:52:47,251 --> 00:52:49,353 the technologies that would be involved 1212 00:52:49,453 --> 00:52:52,122 in order to make his show credible. 1213 00:52:52,222 --> 00:52:54,658 - Believability was a huge thing for my father. 1214 00:52:54,758 --> 00:52:58,295 If you go back and read some of the original writers' guides 1215 00:52:58,395 --> 00:53:00,097 and bibles for the original series, 1216 00:53:00,197 --> 00:53:03,800 He says in there, you know, "Believability is essential." 1217 00:53:03,900 --> 00:53:05,569 - He brought Harvey Lynn, his cousin 1218 00:53:05,669 --> 00:53:08,172 who worked with the RAND company, to advise. 1219 00:53:08,272 --> 00:53:10,540 And that's where a lot of the technology came from. 1220 00:53:10,640 --> 00:53:12,942 - I think because I loved the space program, 1221 00:53:13,042 --> 00:53:15,745 "Star Trek" to me at that point felt real. 1222 00:53:15,845 --> 00:53:17,581 It felt like they all took it kinda seriously. 1223 00:53:17,681 --> 00:53:19,283 There was a real ship like that. 1224 00:53:19,383 --> 00:53:21,585 I do remember when I was a kid I thought that was a real ship. 1225 00:53:21,685 --> 00:53:23,220 I thought, you know, "There's a big ship 1226 00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:25,222 that flies around in space. I see it every week." 1227 00:53:25,322 --> 00:53:27,824 - The technology absolutely captured my imagination. 1228 00:53:27,924 --> 00:53:31,761 I mean, especially the idea of being able to 1229 00:53:31,861 --> 00:53:33,863 live in this giant spaceship. 1230 00:53:33,963 --> 00:53:36,633 - He wanted to do adult stories, adult science fiction, 1231 00:53:36,733 --> 00:53:39,903 so he knew that in order to make that kind of a show work, 1232 00:53:40,003 --> 00:53:43,006 he had a very credible design for his starship. 1233 00:53:43,106 --> 00:53:45,008 - But there's a reason the Enterprise hangs 1234 00:53:45,108 --> 00:53:47,811 in the Smithsonian Institute. 1235 00:53:47,911 --> 00:53:50,247 It is such-- not just an iconic ship, 1236 00:53:50,347 --> 00:53:51,781 but such a beautiful ship. 1237 00:53:51,881 --> 00:53:54,050 It's a magnificent aesthetic achievement. 1238 00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:57,053 - Roddenberry said, "We want our audience to believe 1239 00:53:57,153 --> 00:53:59,456 "that for the hour they're watching 'Star Trek,' 1240 00:53:59,556 --> 00:54:02,959 "they're really on a spaceship out exploring the galaxy. 1241 00:54:03,059 --> 00:54:04,728 "So we have to design the bridge. 1242 00:54:04,828 --> 00:54:06,930 "We have to think about navigation. 1243 00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:09,032 We have to think about what powers the ship." 1244 00:54:09,132 --> 00:54:10,367 And then he thought, "You know, 1245 00:54:10,467 --> 00:54:13,036 "why don't we set up a system 1246 00:54:13,136 --> 00:54:14,571 "in the sick bay called the biobed? 1247 00:54:14,671 --> 00:54:16,840 "A crewman comes in, lays down on the biobed, 1248 00:54:16,940 --> 00:54:18,642 "and on a computer screen above the bed, 1249 00:54:18,742 --> 00:54:21,611 it instantly displays all of their vital signs." 1250 00:54:21,711 --> 00:54:23,180 The creators of "Star Trek" 1251 00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:25,482 designed and engineered gadgets for the crew 1252 00:54:25,582 --> 00:54:27,351 that are decades ahead of their time. 1253 00:54:27,451 --> 00:54:30,687 And inspire the devices that are second nature to us today. 1254 00:54:30,787 --> 00:54:33,957 - But also the smaller things like the tricorder 1255 00:54:34,057 --> 00:54:36,726 or the communicator, which, I mean, 1256 00:54:36,826 --> 00:54:39,028 you know I have one in my pocket right now 1257 00:54:39,128 --> 00:54:40,797 that's not dissimilar. 1258 00:54:40,897 --> 00:54:42,866 - Leonard Nimoy, years ago, 1259 00:54:42,966 --> 00:54:47,237 he told me the flip phone was purposely designed 1260 00:54:47,337 --> 00:54:49,038 to look like a communicator. 1261 00:54:49,138 --> 00:54:51,007 That the inventor of the flip phone 1262 00:54:51,107 --> 00:54:54,211 wanted it to be a pastiche of "Star Trek." 1263 00:54:54,311 --> 00:54:57,247 - A guy named Martin Cooper in the 1970s 1264 00:54:57,347 --> 00:55:01,117 was tasked by Motorola and Bell Labs 1265 00:55:01,217 --> 00:55:04,288 to create a, you know, one of the first cell phones. 1266 00:55:04,388 --> 00:55:06,690 A portable telephone that, you know, 1267 00:55:06,790 --> 00:55:08,492 you could carry and walk around with, 1268 00:55:08,592 --> 00:55:10,627 and it would ultimately be small enough 1269 00:55:10,727 --> 00:55:12,061 to fit in a pocket. 1270 00:55:12,161 --> 00:55:16,366 And Cooper explicitly said, "When I was designing 1271 00:55:16,466 --> 00:55:19,869 "that first handheld phone, I thought, 1272 00:55:19,969 --> 00:55:21,305 "'You know, this thing is kinda big. 1273 00:55:21,405 --> 00:55:24,341 "'It's a little bulky, but if I fold it in half, 1274 00:55:24,441 --> 00:55:27,043 "'that'll save-- that'll save space. 1275 00:55:27,143 --> 00:55:28,812 "'It'll make it smaller and easier to carry. 1276 00:55:28,912 --> 00:55:30,514 "'Plus, it'll be really cool to flip open 1277 00:55:30,614 --> 00:55:32,449 "'Like the communicators on "Star Trek."'" 1278 00:55:32,549 --> 00:55:35,785 - You have these PADDs that are now iPads and everything. 1279 00:55:35,885 --> 00:55:39,723 Well, we didn't have iPads then, so it was--it was like 1280 00:55:39,823 --> 00:55:41,891 we were doing it, we'd be making things up. 1281 00:55:41,991 --> 00:55:43,493 But if you set it down too hard, you gotta do-- 1282 00:55:43,593 --> 00:55:44,661 it would make a clunk. 1283 00:55:44,761 --> 00:55:45,662 You'd have to take the whole shot over. 1284 00:55:45,762 --> 00:55:48,398 - The PADDs that they used, 1285 00:55:48,498 --> 00:55:50,800 which had nothing on them, 1286 00:55:50,900 --> 00:55:55,205 we'd use them in the stories to somehow advance the plot, 1287 00:55:55,305 --> 00:55:57,741 or they're looking at a report. 1288 00:55:57,841 --> 00:56:01,311 Never in a million years did any of us think 1289 00:56:01,411 --> 00:56:03,547 this would be a thing. 1290 00:56:03,647 --> 00:56:05,515 It was total science fiction to us. 1291 00:56:05,615 --> 00:56:07,917 - It was 20 years after 1292 00:56:08,017 --> 00:56:10,019 "Star Trek: The Next Generation" premiered 1293 00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:12,656 that Apple introduced the iPad. 1294 00:56:12,756 --> 00:56:17,927 And that's, you know, that's a dead ringer, really, 1295 00:56:18,027 --> 00:56:20,230 for the PADDs that we had on "Star Trek: The Next Generation" 1296 00:56:20,330 --> 00:56:21,331 20 years earlier. 1297 00:56:21,431 --> 00:56:24,468 - Universal translation technology, 1298 00:56:24,568 --> 00:56:26,270 artificial intelligence, all kinds of things, 1299 00:56:26,370 --> 00:56:30,006 and it instilled in some fans a passion for sce, 1300 00:56:30,106 --> 00:56:32,542 and who knows what they went on to discover or will discover. 1301 00:56:32,642 --> 00:56:34,744 - People forget this. They look at it now, they say, 1302 00:56:34,844 --> 00:56:36,680 "Oh, 'Star Trek's' so dated. It's so primitive." 1303 00:56:36,780 --> 00:56:37,847 They have no idea. 1304 00:56:37,947 --> 00:56:39,949 Supermarkets didn't have sliding doors yet. 1305 00:56:40,049 --> 00:56:41,985 That's how prescient "Star Trek" was. 1306 00:56:42,085 --> 00:56:44,521 - It was Roddenberry's idea for the holodeck, 1307 00:56:44,621 --> 00:56:47,156 which I always thought was revolutionary, you know? 1308 00:56:47,256 --> 00:56:48,892 Virtual reality was being explored 1309 00:56:48,992 --> 00:56:51,328 in science fiction novels, 1310 00:56:51,428 --> 00:56:54,130 but he was really the first to kind of put 1311 00:56:54,230 --> 00:56:57,567 true, thorough virtual reality, 1312 00:56:57,667 --> 00:56:59,135 certainly onto a television show. 1313 00:56:59,235 --> 00:57:01,605 - The holodeck, which was a wonderful invention 1314 00:57:01,705 --> 00:57:05,542 taken to imaginative creative extremes in "Next Generation," 1315 00:57:05,642 --> 00:57:07,577 has its origins in the "Star Trek" animated series 1316 00:57:07,677 --> 00:57:08,745 that most people don't know. 1317 00:57:08,845 --> 00:57:10,614 The holodeck was in an episode 1318 00:57:10,714 --> 00:57:12,449 of the "Star Trek" cartoon, "Practical Joker." 1319 00:57:12,549 --> 00:57:13,850 That was the first time we saw that. 1320 00:57:13,950 --> 00:57:16,019 - If you look at "Star Trek," the original "Star Trek," 1321 00:57:16,119 --> 00:57:19,389 you will see Spock holding little cards 1322 00:57:19,489 --> 00:57:21,925 and data cards that he would slip 1323 00:57:22,025 --> 00:57:23,727 into a slot on the computer. 1324 00:57:23,827 --> 00:57:26,430 They look exactly like the 3 1/2" floppy disks 1325 00:57:26,530 --> 00:57:28,465 that were created 20 years later. 1326 00:57:28,565 --> 00:57:30,567 - It's remarkable to think, you know, 1327 00:57:30,667 --> 00:57:31,901 Siri's getting pretty close 1328 00:57:32,001 --> 00:57:33,537 to the computer on the Enterprise. 1329 00:57:33,637 --> 00:57:36,940 - "Star Trek," I think, on the technology side, 1330 00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:39,809 partly it's the extraordinary vision of Gene and the people 1331 00:57:39,909 --> 00:57:42,346 that he worked with in creating that original show 1332 00:57:42,446 --> 00:57:46,249 and thinking about how things can be better in the future, 1333 00:57:46,349 --> 00:57:48,485 and then people growing up watching "Star Trek" 1334 00:57:48,585 --> 00:57:50,119 making those things happen 1335 00:57:50,219 --> 00:57:52,088 because they were inspired by "Star Trek." 1336 00:57:52,188 --> 00:57:55,224 So it's a really fascinating kind of feedback loop 1337 00:57:55,324 --> 00:57:57,927 between art and science. 1338 00:57:58,027 --> 00:58:00,397 - I can't think of another show that had nearly the impact 1339 00:58:00,497 --> 00:58:04,434 for people who really, you know, work in the aerospace industry 1340 00:58:04,534 --> 00:58:06,002 that "Star Trek" did, right. 1341 00:58:06,102 --> 00:58:08,137 Or even for a lot of cases, physics and things like that. 1342 00:58:08,237 --> 00:58:11,641 Because it did take a realistic approach to science 1343 00:58:11,741 --> 00:58:13,877 and using science to solve problems. 1344 00:58:13,977 --> 00:58:19,415 But you try to solve them with a rational approach. 1345 00:58:20,784 --> 00:58:21,818 "Star Trek" begins as a prime-time 1346 00:58:21,918 --> 00:58:23,219 television series, 1347 00:58:23,319 --> 00:58:24,854 but over the next half century, 1348 00:58:24,954 --> 00:58:27,290 it reaches far beyond the airwaves 1349 00:58:27,390 --> 00:58:29,593 to help shape our world. 1350 00:58:29,693 --> 00:58:32,195 - "Star Trek" inspired people. 1351 00:58:32,295 --> 00:58:35,932 "Star Trek," like, people became scientists. 1352 00:58:36,032 --> 00:58:37,501 They became physicists. 1353 00:58:37,601 --> 00:58:40,169 They became doctors and astronauts 1354 00:58:40,269 --> 00:58:42,105 because of "Star Trek." 1355 00:58:42,205 --> 00:58:44,874 - When you see someone who says, "You were such a role model. 1356 00:58:44,974 --> 00:58:46,743 You know, I went to med school because of you." 1357 00:58:46,843 --> 00:58:48,678 Or, "I got into nursing because of you." 1358 00:58:48,778 --> 00:58:51,314 It made it richer for me. It made it a richer experience. 1359 00:58:51,414 --> 00:58:54,884 - I've received a lot of letters from people 1360 00:58:54,984 --> 00:58:57,987 who were inspired by "Star Trek" in general 1361 00:58:58,087 --> 00:59:00,657 and from my character, specifically, 1362 00:59:00,757 --> 00:59:02,959 to go into the sciences, into engineering. 1363 00:59:03,059 --> 00:59:05,895 It's cool that you can make science cool. 1364 00:59:05,995 --> 00:59:09,399 And that it can inspire somebody to move in that direction. 1365 00:59:09,499 --> 00:59:11,300 - One of the reasons I wanted to become an engineer 1366 00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:13,169 was because of "Star Trek." 1367 00:59:13,269 --> 00:59:16,940 Because there was something different about it 1368 00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:21,511 in that the world felt more thought through and real 1369 00:59:21,611 --> 00:59:24,080 than other things that you had seen. 1370 00:59:24,180 --> 00:59:27,551 - I mean, there's a picture of NASA and Mission Control 1371 00:59:27,651 --> 00:59:29,719 and people were wearing Spock ears. 1372 00:59:29,819 --> 00:59:33,723 - People who went to college to study physics 1373 00:59:33,823 --> 00:59:36,392 or engineering or medicine because they grew up 1374 00:59:36,492 --> 00:59:38,127 and were inspired by "Star Trek." 1375 00:59:38,227 --> 00:59:40,930 And wanted to be the next Scotty or the next Dr. McCoy. 1376 00:59:41,030 --> 00:59:42,466 - Jimmy Doohan, who played Scotty, 1377 00:59:42,566 --> 00:59:44,868 and DeForest Kelley, who played McCoy, 1378 00:59:44,968 --> 00:59:48,938 were always relating stories 1379 00:59:49,038 --> 00:59:50,474 of people who had written to them 1380 00:59:50,574 --> 00:59:52,542 and would become engineers and doctors 1381 00:59:52,642 --> 00:59:54,478 because of "Star Trek." 1382 00:59:54,578 --> 00:59:56,713 I think that was great. 1383 00:59:56,813 --> 01:00:00,016 But how does that apply to me? And it didn't. 1384 01:00:00,116 --> 01:00:02,051 And for the longest time, it didn't. 1385 01:00:02,151 --> 01:00:05,555 Until I met a young lady, who after "Star Trek" 1386 01:00:05,655 --> 01:00:08,992 had gone to school to learn Russian 1387 01:00:09,092 --> 01:00:12,161 and went to work for the State Department. 1388 01:00:12,261 --> 01:00:16,833 Her mission was so important 1389 01:00:16,933 --> 01:00:18,802 that she couldn't tell me what it was about. 1390 01:00:18,902 --> 01:00:20,904 But it had to do with the Russians, 1391 01:00:21,004 --> 01:00:24,173 so I actually helped inspire a spy. 1392 01:00:25,374 --> 01:00:27,511 - I was so fascinated by "Star Trek" 1393 01:00:27,611 --> 01:00:30,980 that maybe the first filmmaking book I can remember reading was 1394 01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,483 "The Making of Star Trek" by Stephen Whitfield. 1395 01:00:33,583 --> 01:00:35,351 And I remember being so fascinated 1396 01:00:35,451 --> 01:00:38,755 by looking at the behind-the-scenes pictures, 1397 01:00:38,855 --> 01:00:41,591 the layout of how the sets were put together 1398 01:00:41,691 --> 01:00:44,227 at Desilu and Paramount Studios. 1399 01:00:44,327 --> 01:00:46,462 The idea of using a colored light 1400 01:00:46,562 --> 01:00:48,431 to create different planets. 1401 01:00:48,531 --> 01:00:51,835 Just all the imagination that went into it, 1402 01:00:51,935 --> 01:00:53,670 it just really excited me, 1403 01:00:53,770 --> 01:00:57,206 and it really became a doorway into the idea of filmmaking 1404 01:00:57,306 --> 01:01:00,710 and into television, which obviously, you know, 1405 01:01:00,810 --> 01:01:02,078 I've spent my whole life on. 1406 01:01:02,178 --> 01:01:04,748 - Probably one of the most influential books in my life 1407 01:01:04,848 --> 01:01:06,650 was discovering "The Making of Star Trek" 1408 01:01:06,750 --> 01:01:09,218 by Stephen Whitfield, which I found at a school book fair 1409 01:01:09,318 --> 01:01:10,787 in the sixth grade. 1410 01:01:10,887 --> 01:01:14,257 And I read that thing cover to cover over and over again 1411 01:01:14,357 --> 01:01:17,060 'cause that really was about the making of a television series, 1412 01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:20,463 about selling a pilot, you know, show bibles 1413 01:01:20,563 --> 01:01:22,932 and production questions and issues 1414 01:01:23,032 --> 01:01:24,067 and fighting with networks. 1415 01:01:24,167 --> 01:01:26,636 And I was completely enthralled with it. 1416 01:01:26,736 --> 01:01:30,574 And it sort of--it imprinted itself in me in a profound way. 1417 01:01:30,674 --> 01:01:32,642 You know, I didn't really think about 1418 01:01:32,742 --> 01:01:34,944 becoming a television writer at that age, 1419 01:01:35,044 --> 01:01:36,145 and wouldn't for many, many years. 1420 01:01:36,245 --> 01:01:37,947 'Cause that wasn't a real job. 1421 01:01:38,047 --> 01:01:40,784 But reading that book gave me a hunger to do that. 1422 01:01:40,884 --> 01:01:43,519 I wanted, on some basic level, to do that, too, 1423 01:01:43,619 --> 01:01:46,022 to make a television series and to do those things 1424 01:01:46,122 --> 01:01:47,390 like Gene had done. 1425 01:01:47,490 --> 01:01:50,960 - We were invited to the rollout of the Enterprise shuttle. 1426 01:01:51,060 --> 01:01:54,463 I didn't have an understanding of how significant it was 1427 01:01:54,563 --> 01:01:56,332 until we got there. 1428 01:01:56,432 --> 01:01:58,234 And there were several hundred people there. 1429 01:01:58,334 --> 01:02:00,570 And they had the Air Force Band. 1430 01:02:00,670 --> 01:02:05,474 The conductor raised the baton and waved his hand 1431 01:02:05,574 --> 01:02:08,544 and the band started playing up. 1432 01:02:08,644 --> 01:02:11,881 The Enterprise rolled out from behind the building, 1433 01:02:11,981 --> 01:02:14,283 and it was amazing to see. 1434 01:02:14,383 --> 01:02:16,886 As it came out, the band started playing 1435 01:02:16,986 --> 01:02:19,055 the theme music from "Star Trek." 1436 01:02:19,155 --> 01:02:25,261 And we jumped up as one, and were cheering and screaming. 1437 01:02:25,361 --> 01:02:28,131 It was just the most remarkable moment. 1438 01:02:28,231 --> 01:02:30,900 And, you know, across the nose of the shuttle 1439 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,236 was the word "Enterprise." 1440 01:02:33,336 --> 01:02:37,273 For the first time, I realized that there was a significance 1441 01:02:37,373 --> 01:02:41,344 beyond the fact that we were a television show 1442 01:02:41,444 --> 01:02:42,979 that went on once a week. 1443 01:02:43,079 --> 01:02:46,750 That we really had an influence in the culture. 1444 01:02:46,850 --> 01:02:48,184 And I guess it was the first time 1445 01:02:48,284 --> 01:02:51,587 that I really felt that I could take a bow. 1446 01:02:51,687 --> 01:02:55,491 Up until then, my sense was, "I'm a supporting character 1447 01:02:55,591 --> 01:02:57,727 "with very little to do. 1448 01:02:57,827 --> 01:03:01,731 I'm riding the coattails of this television project, 1449 01:03:01,831 --> 01:03:04,000 and I haven't really contributed very much. 1450 01:03:04,100 --> 01:03:07,303 Well, that was all true, but I realized then 1451 01:03:07,403 --> 01:03:11,207 that I was part of a group that, as a group, 1452 01:03:11,307 --> 01:03:12,676 we had an influence. 1453 01:03:12,776 --> 01:03:15,845 That we had an influence in society 1454 01:03:15,945 --> 01:03:17,613 - Because of "Star Trek," I am all the things I just said. 1455 01:03:17,713 --> 01:03:20,884 Engineer, physicist, doctor, psychiatrist. 1456 01:03:20,984 --> 01:03:23,452 I've joined the military. I became a policeman. 1457 01:03:23,552 --> 01:03:27,323 But the most potent, I think, 1458 01:03:27,423 --> 01:03:29,192 are the stories where someone comes up 1459 01:03:29,292 --> 01:03:32,896 and looks you in the eye and says, 1460 01:03:32,996 --> 01:03:36,465 "Star Trek was the only time in my house 1461 01:03:36,565 --> 01:03:38,534 "where there was peace. 1462 01:03:38,634 --> 01:03:41,738 "Where my dad or my mother or the abuse or the alcohol," 1463 01:03:41,838 --> 01:03:44,373 or whatever it was, "the only time where we sat together 1464 01:03:44,473 --> 01:03:48,812 and it was peaceful and trouble-free." 1465 01:03:48,912 --> 01:03:51,080 And--and it's heartbreaking. 1466 01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:52,281 And it's true. 1467 01:03:52,381 --> 01:03:53,983 You can see it in their eyes how true it is 1468 01:03:54,083 --> 01:03:55,284 and how important it is. 1469 01:03:55,384 --> 01:04:00,523 - There are people who have gone to nine foster homes, 1470 01:04:00,623 --> 01:04:05,528 and the only steady thing in all of those foster homes 1471 01:04:05,628 --> 01:04:07,697 was that the family watched "Star Trek." 1472 01:04:07,797 --> 01:04:10,734 - "Star Trek" over the years has inspired people. 1473 01:04:10,834 --> 01:04:16,105 And whether it's inspired them to follow their dreams 1474 01:04:16,205 --> 01:04:18,074 or believe in themselves, 1475 01:04:18,174 --> 01:04:21,110 I mean, that's the-- one of the key messages 1476 01:04:21,210 --> 01:04:25,381 in "Star Trek" is, "You're a great person. 1477 01:04:25,481 --> 01:04:27,683 "You have valid thoughts, valid ideas. 1478 01:04:27,783 --> 01:04:30,954 "Never think of yourself as less than anyone else. 1479 01:04:31,054 --> 01:04:35,591 Now go out there and follow your dreams." 1480 01:04:35,691 --> 01:04:37,226 - We were talking earlier, Doug, 1481 01:04:37,326 --> 01:04:40,930 before we started shooting here and I just found out, 1482 01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:44,367 somehow, just found out about a book right here. 1483 01:04:44,467 --> 01:04:45,935 - How could you have missed this book? 1484 01:04:46,035 --> 01:04:50,774 - Here it is, "The Making of Star Trek." 1485 01:04:50,874 --> 01:04:52,308 - That's the book. 1486 01:04:52,408 --> 01:04:54,077 - The book. - The book. 1487 01:04:54,177 --> 01:04:56,445 That book changed my life completely. 1488 01:04:56,545 --> 01:04:57,613 That book came out, I guess, like, 1489 01:04:57,713 --> 01:04:58,915 the second season of "Star Trek." 1490 01:04:59,015 --> 01:05:00,950 - Uh-huh. - I was crazy about the show. 1491 01:05:01,050 --> 01:05:03,552 - That book was, I mean for me, 1492 01:05:03,652 --> 01:05:05,922 it was like Popeye downing a can of spinach. 1493 01:05:06,022 --> 01:05:06,956 Can I see it? - I mean, look at this. 1494 01:05:07,056 --> 01:05:08,291 This is the diagram of the bridge. 1495 01:05:08,391 --> 01:05:11,627 - Honestly, I mean, it totally gave me a direction. 1496 01:05:11,727 --> 01:05:14,197 I knew what I wanted to do after I read that book. 1497 01:05:14,297 --> 01:05:17,400 And I could say that "Star Trek" and that book 1498 01:05:17,500 --> 01:05:19,668 made me who I am today, and that kinda sounds a little sad. 1499 01:05:19,768 --> 01:05:22,171 But, you know, it led me to a couple of Emmys. 1500 01:05:22,271 --> 01:05:24,207 Led me to an Academy Award, you know. 1501 01:05:24,307 --> 01:05:26,308 And that's all because of "Star Trek." 1502 01:05:29,146 --> 01:05:31,180 - My favorite episodes were always the ones-- 1503 01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:33,116 personally, 'cause, you know, I was doing 'em. 1504 01:05:33,716 --> 01:05:34,984 Were the ones where Seven 1505 01:05:35,084 --> 01:05:36,385 was really exploring her humanity. 1506 01:05:36,485 --> 01:05:38,587 So I think it was "Someone To Watch Over Me" 1507 01:05:38,687 --> 01:05:40,089 where the doctor's teaching Seven how to date. 1508 01:05:40,189 --> 01:05:42,291 - Oh, that's a great one. - And I just-- 1509 01:05:42,391 --> 01:05:44,828 I thought that was so lovely and so touching, 1510 01:05:44,928 --> 01:05:46,429 and it just broke my heart at the end 1511 01:05:46,529 --> 01:05:47,864 when he's kinda falling in love with Seven 1512 01:05:47,964 --> 01:05:49,632 and she's like, "Yeah, there's nobody here for me." 1513 01:05:49,732 --> 01:05:51,167 I hated that moment. 1514 01:05:51,267 --> 01:05:53,702 That's where you break the exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken. 1515 01:05:53,802 --> 01:05:55,238 - Yes! - The lobster. 1516 01:05:55,338 --> 01:05:56,905 - The creature has an exoskeleton, yes. 1517 01:05:57,773 --> 01:05:59,775 So that was one of my favorites, definitely. 1518 01:06:04,847 --> 01:06:08,517 - Well, a truly great "Star Trek" episode, 1519 01:06:08,617 --> 01:06:12,922 in my opinion, has a list of ingredients. 1520 01:06:13,022 --> 01:06:14,958 It's an equation. 1521 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:17,961 And that equation includes: 1522 01:06:18,061 --> 01:06:20,897 a great high concept 1523 01:06:20,997 --> 01:06:24,167 that provides cool character dynamics 1524 01:06:24,267 --> 01:06:27,370 and conflict, but also is a parable. 1525 01:06:27,470 --> 01:06:28,804 It has some deeper theme. 1526 01:06:28,904 --> 01:06:30,273 - "Devil in the Dark" 1527 01:06:30,373 --> 01:06:31,707 I thought was a wonderful episode 1528 01:06:31,807 --> 01:06:35,411 about--about fear of the unknown. 1529 01:06:35,611 --> 01:06:37,046 How we fear--and even hate 1530 01:06:37,146 --> 01:06:39,182 something that we don't know anything about. 1531 01:06:39,582 --> 01:06:41,317 Learn who your enemy is and maybe then-- 1532 01:06:41,417 --> 01:06:44,420 maybe then it's no longer your enemy. 1533 01:06:45,588 --> 01:06:47,223 Interesting episode. 1534 01:06:47,323 --> 01:06:49,558 - You know, I remember the "Devil in the Dark" episode 1535 01:06:49,658 --> 01:06:51,394 with the Horta. That really left 1536 01:06:51,494 --> 01:06:52,695 a big impression on me as a kid, 1537 01:06:52,795 --> 01:06:54,630 that he didn't kill the monster 1538 01:06:54,730 --> 01:06:55,965 and that the monster was a mother 1539 01:06:56,065 --> 01:06:57,400 and had all these eggs. 1540 01:06:57,500 --> 01:06:58,734 - They're eggs, aren't they? 1541 01:06:58,834 --> 01:07:00,669 - Yes, Captain. Eggs. 1542 01:07:00,769 --> 01:07:02,338 And about to hatch. 1543 01:07:02,438 --> 01:07:03,907 - "A City on the Edge of Forever" 1544 01:07:04,007 --> 01:07:06,042 which is, of course, the episode of "Star Trek" 1545 01:07:06,142 --> 01:07:08,544 that is the one that everybody knows is a great one. 1546 01:07:08,644 --> 01:07:11,014 It's a little bit-- it's an eccentric episode. 1547 01:07:11,114 --> 01:07:14,783 I love also the two-parter. 1548 01:07:14,883 --> 01:07:17,620 The repurposing of the original pilot 1549 01:07:17,720 --> 01:07:18,955 into "The Ca--" 1550 01:07:19,055 --> 01:07:20,924 What is it, "The Cage: Part one and two"? 1551 01:07:21,024 --> 01:07:25,061 And that's brilliant--we refer to these shows all the time 1552 01:07:25,161 --> 01:07:26,595 on "Breaking Bad" in the writer's room. 1553 01:07:26,695 --> 01:07:28,597 We prefer to, you know, Tranya. 1554 01:07:28,697 --> 01:07:31,834 We refer to Captain Pike with his--with the light. 1555 01:07:31,934 --> 01:07:34,403 I mean, which, you know, couldn't even think of 1556 01:07:34,503 --> 01:07:36,772 as being a little bit like a Hector Salamanca 1557 01:07:36,872 --> 01:07:38,942 when he's in the wheelchair and he's got the bell. 1558 01:07:39,042 --> 01:07:40,809 - I really loved "Yesterday's Enterprise." 1559 01:07:40,909 --> 01:07:42,378 It was a spec script that I had 1560 01:07:42,478 --> 01:07:44,914 that had gone through a couple of drafts already. 1561 01:07:45,014 --> 01:07:46,815 Then I took a pass at it 1562 01:07:46,915 --> 01:07:49,685 and reconceiving the story and kinda making it 1563 01:07:49,785 --> 01:07:51,687 a much more darker universe on the other side 1564 01:07:51,787 --> 01:07:54,090 and emphasizing the war aspect of it. 1565 01:07:54,190 --> 01:07:55,658 And the tragedy of it. 1566 01:07:55,758 --> 01:07:59,128 - My favorite is my favorite because it's just brilliant. 1567 01:07:59,228 --> 01:08:02,031 Brilliant writing. Brilliant directing. 1568 01:08:02,131 --> 01:08:03,599 Brilliant acting. 1569 01:08:03,699 --> 01:08:06,035 And it's called "Far Beyond the Stars." 1570 01:08:06,135 --> 01:08:08,972 It's where all the series regulars 1571 01:08:09,072 --> 01:08:10,940 appear as humans, 1572 01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:14,743 and the episode has to deal with racism. 1573 01:08:14,843 --> 01:08:16,745 It's not just good "Star Trek." 1574 01:08:16,845 --> 01:08:19,015 It's not just good science fiction. 1575 01:08:19,115 --> 01:08:20,449 It's great literature. 1576 01:08:26,489 --> 01:08:28,824 - Well, you know, I think I'm the last 1577 01:08:28,924 --> 01:08:30,659 character Gene created. 1578 01:08:30,759 --> 01:08:34,397 I think I'm the last one that he actually created 1579 01:08:34,497 --> 01:08:36,665 based on Texas Guinan. 1580 01:08:36,765 --> 01:08:39,568 - Guinan her name was. After Texas Guinan 1581 01:08:39,668 --> 01:08:41,470 who was a famous card player and gambler, 1582 01:08:41,570 --> 01:08:44,173 or whatever she was. 1583 01:08:44,273 --> 01:08:48,277 And Whoopi showed up in the show and brought in 1584 01:08:48,377 --> 01:08:52,148 this--this aura. 1585 01:08:52,248 --> 01:08:55,051 And the wild-- remember the shovelhead hats 1586 01:08:55,151 --> 01:08:57,586 she used to wear? That beautiful face 1587 01:08:57,686 --> 01:08:59,822 with those big eyes and that gorgeous skin 1588 01:08:59,922 --> 01:09:02,958 and the voice. And she played it so straight. 1589 01:09:03,058 --> 01:09:05,094 - Guinan was great, again, 'cause Whoopi's playing it. 1590 01:09:05,194 --> 01:09:07,130 Guinan was a strange, mysterioso character 1591 01:09:07,230 --> 01:09:08,431 that no--none of us really understood 1592 01:09:08,531 --> 01:09:09,765 what the hell she was. 1593 01:09:09,865 --> 01:09:12,635 When we started really getting into "Next Gen" 1594 01:09:12,735 --> 01:09:14,670 in the later years, what we said was, 1595 01:09:14,770 --> 01:09:16,705 "It's really about her relationship with Picard. 1596 01:09:16,805 --> 01:09:18,674 "Yes, she's the bartender and, yes, she listens 1597 01:09:18,774 --> 01:09:21,377 "to all their problems and gives insight to people 1598 01:09:21,477 --> 01:09:24,647 "for various issues, but she has some back-story 1599 01:09:24,747 --> 01:09:27,150 "with Picard, and it's a personal relationship with him 1600 01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:28,584 "that drives that character forward. 1601 01:09:28,684 --> 01:09:30,253 "And it's the only reason she's on the ship. 1602 01:09:30,353 --> 01:09:33,156 It's the only reason that she really matters on the show." 1603 01:09:33,256 --> 01:09:36,159 - In my mind, always believed that 1604 01:09:36,259 --> 01:09:38,994 Guinan was the great-great-great-great-great- 1605 01:09:39,094 --> 01:09:40,829 great-great-great-great-great- great-great-great-great- 1606 01:09:40,929 --> 01:09:43,466 great-great-great-great-great-- couple more greats 1607 01:09:43,566 --> 01:09:46,069 grandmother of Picard. 1608 01:09:46,169 --> 01:09:49,505 And the reason she's on the ship is just to see how he's doing. 1609 01:09:49,605 --> 01:09:51,674 'Cause, you know, she can go anywhere at any time, 1610 01:09:51,774 --> 01:09:54,343 and she just irritates the hell outta Q. 1611 01:09:54,443 --> 01:09:57,113 Which made me very happy. John is wonderful. 1612 01:09:57,213 --> 01:10:00,015 - You know him? 1613 01:10:00,115 --> 01:10:01,517 - We have had some dealings. 1614 01:10:01,617 --> 01:10:04,587 - Those dealings were two centuries ago. 1615 01:10:04,687 --> 01:10:07,323 This creature is not what she appears to be. 1616 01:10:07,423 --> 01:10:09,492 She's an imp, and where she goes 1617 01:10:09,592 --> 01:10:11,460 trouble always follows. 1618 01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:13,496 - You're speaking of yourself, Q, not Guinan. 1619 01:10:13,596 --> 01:10:16,065 - Guinan? Is that your name now? 1620 01:10:16,165 --> 01:10:18,334 - Guinan is not the issue here. You are. 1621 01:10:18,434 --> 01:10:23,606 - I ended up doing six episodes of "Next Generation." 1622 01:10:23,706 --> 01:10:25,341 - Anytime there was an episode with Q in it, 1623 01:10:25,441 --> 01:10:29,178 I loved because whenever he was in an episode, 1624 01:10:29,278 --> 01:10:31,214 he was, you know, he was Agent Mayhem. 1625 01:10:31,314 --> 01:10:34,650 He was--it was going to be something really intense, 1626 01:10:34,750 --> 01:10:36,685 and he was seemingly unstoppable. 1627 01:10:36,785 --> 01:10:38,921 And so it was always really fascinating to watch. 1628 01:10:39,021 --> 01:10:40,923 - Jonathan Frakes used to say to me, 1629 01:10:41,023 --> 01:10:42,991 "You're the litmus test. 1630 01:10:43,091 --> 01:10:44,693 You come back once a year." 1631 01:10:44,793 --> 01:10:48,264 I always looked forward to come back, but I never asked. 1632 01:10:48,364 --> 01:10:50,099 It's a little bit like asking whether you're gonna 1633 01:10:50,199 --> 01:10:52,235 be invited to somebody's dinner party. 1634 01:10:52,335 --> 01:10:55,538 - The character of Q-- that omnipotent, 1635 01:10:55,638 --> 01:10:57,506 Machiavellian, 1636 01:10:57,606 --> 01:10:59,208 cunning, bitter, 1637 01:10:59,308 --> 01:11:01,577 nasty, mean-spirited, 1638 01:11:01,677 --> 01:11:03,779 controlling character-- 1639 01:11:03,879 --> 01:11:06,482 I can't even fathom anybody else 1640 01:11:06,582 --> 01:11:08,717 doing as much with it. 1641 01:11:08,817 --> 01:11:11,187 Painting that canvas as completely 1642 01:11:11,287 --> 01:11:15,558 as de Lancie did and does with all his characters. 1643 01:11:15,658 --> 01:11:17,960 Have you any idea how far we'll advance? 1644 01:11:18,060 --> 01:11:20,929 - Perhaps in a future that you cannot yet conceive, 1645 01:11:21,029 --> 01:11:22,931 even beyond us. 1646 01:11:23,031 --> 01:11:25,268 - The character on the page is just not as entertaining. 1647 01:11:25,368 --> 01:11:26,602 You give it to John de Lancie, 1648 01:11:26,702 --> 01:11:28,471 and it becomes this other thing, right? 1649 01:11:28,571 --> 01:11:30,339 And everyone enjoyed writing for him. 1650 01:11:30,439 --> 01:11:32,608 It really-- people would just write 1651 01:11:32,708 --> 01:11:35,110 scene after scene after scene for Q in any of those shows, 1652 01:11:35,210 --> 01:11:38,581 and many of them were too silly or too over-the-top, 1653 01:11:38,681 --> 01:11:40,549 but you just really enjoyed it. 1654 01:11:40,649 --> 01:11:41,817 You really couldn't wait to dig your-- 1655 01:11:41,917 --> 01:11:43,686 dig into a Q episode. 1656 01:11:43,786 --> 01:11:45,688 Internally, what we said all the time was, 1657 01:11:45,788 --> 01:11:47,022 "Q is in love with Picard." 1658 01:11:47,122 --> 01:11:48,791 That was the fundamental of the relationship. 1659 01:11:48,891 --> 01:11:50,226 He's in love with him. He just is. 1660 01:11:50,326 --> 01:11:51,627 He loves Picard. 1661 01:11:51,727 --> 01:11:54,430 It's a particular relationship with this one human 1662 01:11:54,530 --> 01:11:56,432 and this omnipotent being that's bizarre, 1663 01:11:56,532 --> 01:12:02,438 but that's really what's at the heart of it. 1664 01:12:02,538 --> 01:12:04,540 - "Star Trek" is so character-oriented, 1665 01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:06,709 and there were so many great characters. 1666 01:12:06,809 --> 01:12:08,177 So many people got a chance to shine. 1667 01:12:08,277 --> 01:12:09,712 But I think that my favorite character 1668 01:12:09,812 --> 01:12:12,215 is "Mcskirk." - "Mcskirk"? 1669 01:12:12,315 --> 01:12:13,249 - "Mcskirk." 1670 01:12:13,349 --> 01:12:14,583 Which is McCoy, Scotty, and Kirk. 1671 01:12:14,683 --> 01:12:16,084 - Oh-- - 'Cause they're really one guy. 1672 01:12:16,184 --> 01:12:18,086 - I was like, "What did I miss?" 1673 01:12:18,186 --> 01:12:19,422 Mcskirk? - I didn't see that episode. 1674 01:12:19,522 --> 01:12:21,156 - It's a transporter malfunction. 1675 01:12:21,256 --> 01:12:22,858 - You take that-- those three-- 1676 01:12:22,958 --> 01:12:24,760 those three, it's like one guy 1677 01:12:24,860 --> 01:12:26,161 split up three ways. 1678 01:12:26,261 --> 01:12:27,563 You know, ordinarily, if you have one person, 1679 01:12:27,663 --> 01:12:29,064 if you want to know what's going on in their head, 1680 01:12:29,164 --> 01:12:31,334 you gotta have a voice-over or something. 1681 01:12:31,434 --> 01:12:33,902 But with those three guys, split up that way, 1682 01:12:34,002 --> 01:12:35,504 they could have a conversation... 1683 01:12:35,604 --> 01:12:36,772 - Yeah. - And it's really like one guy. 1684 01:12:36,872 --> 01:12:39,141 - I love, love, love Scotty. 1685 01:12:39,241 --> 01:12:41,577 I-I think that he's-- 1686 01:12:41,677 --> 01:12:44,213 A, he's always the funnier one of everybody. 1687 01:12:44,313 --> 01:12:47,350 He's always--I love that he's third in command of the ship. 1688 01:12:47,450 --> 01:12:49,818 - He saw himself equal with the captain. 1689 01:12:49,918 --> 01:12:51,654 - Oh, and he was. - The ship was his. 1690 01:12:51,754 --> 01:12:53,456 - He was the captain of that engine room. 1691 01:12:53,556 --> 01:12:54,957 100%. 1692 01:12:55,057 --> 01:12:57,526 - Scotty was great, and I love how he got mad 1693 01:12:57,626 --> 01:12:59,862 and would yell at the captain about the things he needed 1694 01:12:59,962 --> 01:13:01,163 and how he couldn't really do it, 1695 01:13:01,263 --> 01:13:02,765 but really he could do it. 1696 01:13:02,865 --> 01:13:03,799 I just love it. I just loved him. 1697 01:13:03,899 --> 01:13:05,067 As a kid I was just like, 1698 01:13:05,167 --> 01:13:06,602 "I don't know why this guy's amazing, 1699 01:13:06,702 --> 01:13:08,704 but I want to be an engineer." - I think that's a great answer. 1700 01:13:08,804 --> 01:13:10,873 - You know the techno-babble. - Yeah. 1701 01:13:10,973 --> 01:13:12,608 - Which is so difficult... - Yeah. 1702 01:13:12,708 --> 01:13:15,744 - For the actors to do that stuff. 1703 01:13:15,844 --> 01:13:17,580 LeVar Burton, it didn't matter how late it got. 1704 01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:19,047 - Oh, you kidding me? - It could be 2:00 1705 01:13:19,147 --> 01:13:21,717 in the morning and he was just, like, right on the money. 1706 01:13:21,817 --> 01:13:23,051 - He's--I--for some reason, 1707 01:13:23,151 --> 01:13:24,487 I can fix a warp core breach. 1708 01:13:24,587 --> 01:13:26,655 I know that I need to reroute 1709 01:13:26,755 --> 01:13:29,191 main power through the secondary coupling 1710 01:13:29,291 --> 01:13:32,160 if there's a coolant leak. 1711 01:13:32,260 --> 01:13:33,796 Why do I know that? 1712 01:13:33,896 --> 01:13:35,598 Because of LeVar Burton. - That's right. 1713 01:13:35,698 --> 01:13:37,333 - Uh, Worf. - Worf! 1714 01:13:37,433 --> 01:13:38,567 - Yes. - Really? 1715 01:13:38,667 --> 01:13:40,102 - Thank you. - I just--for some reason I-- 1716 01:13:40,202 --> 01:13:42,137 I mean, Data's the-- is really close, 1717 01:13:42,237 --> 01:13:44,307 but I just--something about Worf I really like. 1718 01:13:44,407 --> 01:13:46,008 - What is it about him? Is it the fact that he's 1719 01:13:46,108 --> 01:13:47,976 terrible at firing weapons? 1720 01:13:48,076 --> 01:13:50,045 He misses everything. 1721 01:13:50,145 --> 01:13:52,247 - I don't know. - The captain--Captain Picard 1722 01:13:52,347 --> 01:13:54,617 will never take a suggestion of his. 1723 01:13:54,717 --> 01:13:56,519 - Does that make him more human to you? 1724 01:13:56,619 --> 01:13:57,953 - Yeah, he was-- - Because 1725 01:13:58,053 --> 01:13:59,955 it's immigrant family raised by Russians? 1726 01:14:00,055 --> 01:14:01,290 - He drinks prune juice. 1727 01:14:01,390 --> 01:14:03,125 Come on, now, who doesn't--who does that? 1728 01:14:03,225 --> 01:14:04,727 And he's a big warrior, so... - Yeah? 1729 01:14:04,827 --> 01:14:06,762 - But I think, you know-- I think partly 'cause he also 1730 01:14:06,862 --> 01:14:09,031 went--he transcends the two series. 1731 01:14:09,131 --> 01:14:10,899 You know, "The Next Gen." and "Deep Space Nine." 1732 01:14:10,999 --> 01:14:12,868 - I gotta go with Kirk. 1733 01:14:12,968 --> 01:14:14,603 - You gotta go with Kirk. - I mean, the original series. 1734 01:14:14,703 --> 01:14:16,405 You just--the way he just kinda, you know, 1735 01:14:16,505 --> 01:14:17,873 sauntered around. - Yes. 1736 01:14:17,973 --> 01:14:18,974 - You gotta love him. 1737 01:14:23,512 --> 01:14:25,914 - The Shat was the guy I grew up on. 1738 01:14:26,014 --> 01:14:28,216 I admire Picard. 1739 01:14:28,316 --> 01:14:30,553 I love them all equally, but... 1740 01:14:30,653 --> 01:14:33,255 uh...I think there is no substitute 1741 01:14:33,355 --> 01:14:35,223 for Bill Shatner. 1742 01:14:35,323 --> 01:14:38,794 - Shatner's putting on such a great persona 1743 01:14:38,894 --> 01:14:41,263 of a trustworthy captain 1744 01:14:41,363 --> 01:14:43,466 with just enough sense of humor. 1745 01:14:43,566 --> 01:14:46,101 You know? And calm under pressure. 1746 01:14:46,201 --> 01:14:47,870 And good with the ladies. 1747 01:14:47,970 --> 01:14:49,505 Shatner had it all. 1748 01:14:49,605 --> 01:14:52,140 The way he presented that character was just so awesome 1749 01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:54,443 and believable and theatrical at the same time. 1750 01:14:54,543 --> 01:14:56,412 He's not a subtle guy. 1751 01:14:56,512 --> 01:14:58,714 But I just thought it was great. 1752 01:14:58,814 --> 01:15:00,449 He fought-- I think it was, like, 1753 01:15:00,549 --> 01:15:03,251 a Gorgan or whatever. It's where he had-- 1754 01:15:03,351 --> 01:15:05,621 Captain Kirk is stranded in the desert 1755 01:15:05,721 --> 01:15:07,322 and he's got, like, this lizard creature 1756 01:15:07,422 --> 01:15:08,991 he's gotta fight and he's gotta learn 1757 01:15:09,091 --> 01:15:10,726 how to make, like, gunpowder 1758 01:15:10,826 --> 01:15:12,695 and projectiles and stuff like that. 1759 01:15:12,795 --> 01:15:15,230 - Certainly the iconic, classic scene 1760 01:15:15,330 --> 01:15:17,733 in which Spock-- or Kirk 1761 01:15:17,833 --> 01:15:19,702 confronts "God" and says, 1762 01:15:19,802 --> 01:15:22,004 "What does God need with a starship?" 1763 01:15:22,104 --> 01:15:23,472 What other character in the history of cinema 1764 01:15:23,572 --> 01:15:25,874 would come up to God? Not even Charlton Heston 1765 01:15:25,974 --> 01:15:28,777 would say to God, "What do you need with a starship?" 1766 01:15:28,877 --> 01:15:30,145 - Absolutely, without question, 1767 01:15:30,245 --> 01:15:33,281 my favorite captain is James T. Kirk. 1768 01:15:33,381 --> 01:15:36,218 I mean, he just-- Kirk did the right thing. 1769 01:15:36,318 --> 01:15:38,521 He said the right thing. People looked up to him. 1770 01:15:38,621 --> 01:15:41,690 He was a man of action. He was a man of romance. 1771 01:15:41,790 --> 01:15:45,628 And, like, I mean, as performed by William Shatner? 1772 01:15:45,728 --> 01:15:47,563 I mean, there was a reason why as a little kid 1773 01:15:47,663 --> 01:15:49,398 I wanted to be Captain Kirk. 1774 01:15:49,498 --> 01:15:53,436 There's a reason why as an almost 50-year-old grown-up 1775 01:15:53,536 --> 01:15:55,337 that I still watch the original series 1776 01:15:55,437 --> 01:15:57,540 and I still wanna be James T. Kirk. 1777 01:15:57,640 --> 01:15:59,007 He is the best captain. 1778 01:16:01,710 --> 01:16:02,945 - The way he would stare down 1779 01:16:03,045 --> 01:16:06,048 100-foot tall Apollo, and with great... 1780 01:16:06,148 --> 01:16:08,350 sort of indignation: 1781 01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:10,919 "What gives you the right--" you know, 1782 01:16:11,019 --> 01:16:14,990 to a 100-foot tall god... 1783 01:16:15,090 --> 01:16:17,325 he shouted, "What gives you the right?" 1784 01:16:17,425 --> 01:16:19,495 When Apollo just could have... 1785 01:16:19,595 --> 01:16:21,396 done that. 1786 01:16:21,496 --> 01:16:24,700 Yeah, the sort of leadership and the fearlessness 1787 01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:28,336 and also...my first understanding 1788 01:16:28,436 --> 01:16:29,337 of what a... 1789 01:16:29,437 --> 01:16:30,839 you lead by example. - Yeah. 1790 01:16:30,939 --> 01:16:32,340 - The captain's setting, 1791 01:16:32,440 --> 01:16:34,076 the fish stinks from the head down, 1792 01:16:34,176 --> 01:16:36,645 all of those leadership qualities 1793 01:16:36,745 --> 01:16:40,949 that hadn't been shown to me by a family member 1794 01:16:41,049 --> 01:16:42,518 or by anyone at school, a teacher. 1795 01:16:42,618 --> 01:16:47,556 Really, it oddly was that leadership necessary 1796 01:16:47,656 --> 01:16:50,626 as put forth by Captain James Tiberius Kirk. 1797 01:16:50,726 --> 01:16:53,061 - I mean, I love Captain Kirk. However... 1798 01:16:53,161 --> 01:16:55,330 I have... you know, I have to say 1799 01:16:55,430 --> 01:16:57,566 that I think my favorite captain is Picard... 1800 01:16:57,666 --> 01:16:59,334 - Uh-huh. - Because the thing is 1801 01:16:59,434 --> 01:17:01,604 Kirk is really only 1/3rd of a guy. 1802 01:17:01,704 --> 01:17:03,271 - Oh... - He's only 1/3rd of a guy! 1803 01:17:03,371 --> 01:17:05,173 - Interesting. - Picard is a nice, 1804 01:17:05,273 --> 01:17:06,575 well-rounded guy. 1805 01:17:06,675 --> 01:17:08,844 And he doesn't have to punch anybody in the face 1806 01:17:08,944 --> 01:17:10,613 to get his point across, right? 1807 01:17:10,713 --> 01:17:11,880 - But if he has to, he can. - Well, he can, 1808 01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:13,949 but he usually has Riker do it or Worf. 1809 01:17:14,049 --> 01:17:16,184 Yeah, he, uh... 1810 01:17:16,284 --> 01:17:18,153 You know, for me, in a lot of ways, 1811 01:17:18,253 --> 01:17:20,756 "Next Generation" was a... 1812 01:17:20,856 --> 01:17:22,825 "Star Trek" kind of grown up. - Yeah. 1813 01:17:22,925 --> 01:17:24,527 - You know? And that started with Picard. 1814 01:17:24,627 --> 01:17:26,695 - Yeah. My answer's actually Picard too. 1815 01:17:26,795 --> 01:17:28,664 Just because I find him to be-- 1816 01:17:28,764 --> 01:17:31,033 I don't think he's the most realistic of a captain. 1817 01:17:31,133 --> 01:17:33,101 I think that Picard has so few flaws, 1818 01:17:33,201 --> 01:17:35,003 and he only really finally becomes human 1819 01:17:35,103 --> 01:17:37,272 after he's a Borg and then turned into a human. 1820 01:17:37,372 --> 01:17:38,574 You know, he really just starts like-- 1821 01:17:38,674 --> 01:17:40,709 They give him a love story once in a while... 1822 01:17:40,809 --> 01:17:42,177 But it just--I don't know. 1823 01:17:42,277 --> 01:17:44,880 I just love-- I found Picard to be virtuous 1824 01:17:44,980 --> 01:17:47,616 and I found Picard to be like, oh... 1825 01:17:47,716 --> 01:17:51,620 if humans could one day turn into that guy, 1826 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,922 maybe "Star Trek's" plausible. 1827 01:17:54,022 --> 01:17:55,457 But it's not gonna happen. 1828 01:17:55,557 --> 01:17:56,925 - Yeah, he's a great representation 1829 01:17:57,025 --> 01:17:58,493 of kind of Rodenberry's vision. - Yeah, a vision of what 1830 01:17:58,593 --> 01:17:59,762 humanity can be. - A captain needs to be. 1831 01:17:59,862 --> 01:18:01,564 - What a captain is. - Exactly. 1832 01:18:01,664 --> 01:18:03,065 - Yeah. Just putting every-- 1833 01:18:03,165 --> 01:18:04,933 He just--I don't know. I just always... 1834 01:18:05,033 --> 01:18:06,702 And that accent. I mean, you can't really... 1835 01:18:06,802 --> 01:18:12,207 - Well, the accent, yeah. - Top that voice. 1836 01:18:12,307 --> 01:18:14,242 n - The show is about what it is to be human, 1837 01:18:14,342 --> 01:18:16,178 and that never goes out of style. 1838 01:18:16,278 --> 01:18:17,913 And it's the type of stories that they tell 1839 01:18:18,013 --> 01:18:20,248 that you don't generally get in other television shows. 1840 01:18:20,348 --> 01:18:22,217 - Yeah. - The introspective... 1841 01:18:22,317 --> 01:18:24,553 And the basis of it is who are we... 1842 01:18:24,653 --> 01:18:26,121 who are we as human beings? 1843 01:18:26,221 --> 01:18:27,923 - I think it's because 1844 01:18:28,023 --> 01:18:30,025 it's an optimistic view of the future. 1845 01:18:30,125 --> 01:18:31,727 - Hope. - Yeah. It's hope. 1846 01:18:31,827 --> 01:18:33,261 - Yeah. - I think that's exactly 1847 01:18:33,361 --> 01:18:34,963 what it is-- it's an optimistic portrayal 1848 01:18:35,063 --> 01:18:37,032 of what we could hopefully achieve 1849 01:18:37,132 --> 01:18:39,735 and what our society could be like 1850 01:18:39,835 --> 01:18:41,503 and that we finally accept each other 1851 01:18:41,603 --> 01:18:44,239 and we finally learn to look past differences 1852 01:18:44,339 --> 01:18:45,808 and things like that. 1853 01:18:45,908 --> 01:18:48,010 And I think that we so desperately hope 1854 01:18:48,110 --> 01:18:50,112 that we can achieve that. 1855 01:18:50,212 --> 01:18:52,781 - And it evolves, you know, from series to series, 1856 01:18:52,881 --> 01:18:54,249 over the 50 years. 1857 01:18:54,349 --> 01:18:56,351 It may have some core values and ideas 1858 01:18:56,451 --> 01:18:58,153 and the optimism and the hope, 1859 01:18:58,253 --> 01:19:00,288 but it evolves with the times, too. 1860 01:19:00,388 --> 01:19:04,292 So it, you know, it-- hopefully the next reiteration 1861 01:19:04,392 --> 01:19:07,562 will fit our times today much like, you know, 1862 01:19:07,662 --> 01:19:09,598 "The Next Gen" did in the late '80s, early '90s 1863 01:19:09,698 --> 01:19:11,734 or "Deep Space Nine" and "Voyager" in the '90s, 1864 01:19:11,834 --> 01:19:14,102 and, of course, the original series back in the '60s. 1865 01:19:14,202 --> 01:19:15,570 But it's been able to evolve. 1866 01:19:15,670 --> 01:19:17,339 It hasn't been a static kind of franchise. 1867 01:19:20,308 --> 01:19:21,308 - There's that Martin Luther King line... 1868 01:19:23,278 --> 01:19:26,314 "The arc of history bends toward justice." 1869 01:19:26,414 --> 01:19:27,950 I think for fans of this show, 1870 01:19:28,050 --> 01:19:30,085 the arc of history bends towards "Star Trek," 1871 01:19:30,185 --> 01:19:32,520 that we have this hope, this belief, 1872 01:19:32,620 --> 01:19:35,557 that...things are getting better. 1873 01:19:35,657 --> 01:19:37,993 And that, yeah, we're probably not gonna, you know, 1874 01:19:38,093 --> 01:19:40,128 run into guys with pointed ears out there. 1875 01:19:40,228 --> 01:19:43,131 But we will find a way 1876 01:19:43,231 --> 01:19:45,600 to fix our problems 1877 01:19:45,700 --> 01:19:48,236 and move out into the universe 1878 01:19:48,336 --> 01:19:50,405 and believe in, you know, the... 1879 01:19:50,505 --> 01:19:52,875 you know, the better angels of our nature 1880 01:19:52,975 --> 01:19:55,778 and...and make the world a better place. 1881 01:19:55,878 --> 01:19:59,147 - One thing about "Star Trek" that I've said before 1882 01:19:59,247 --> 01:20:00,883 and I really believe it 1883 01:20:00,983 --> 01:20:05,453 is it was the Beatles of 1960s TV. 1884 01:20:05,553 --> 01:20:07,555 And if you had to describe the Beatles, 1885 01:20:07,655 --> 01:20:09,124 you would say it's magic. 1886 01:20:09,224 --> 01:20:11,259 And take any one of them out of that band, 1887 01:20:11,359 --> 01:20:13,128 and it's not the Beatles. 1888 01:20:13,228 --> 01:20:15,397 Well, "Star Trek's" the same way 1889 01:20:15,497 --> 01:20:16,765 from the same period. 1890 01:20:16,865 --> 01:20:19,034 I mean, take William Shatner out. 1891 01:20:19,134 --> 01:20:20,535 Take Leonard Nimoy out. 1892 01:20:20,635 --> 01:20:22,905 Take Rodenberry or Coon or Fontana out 1893 01:20:23,005 --> 01:20:25,573 or Deforest Kelley, and you don't have it. 1894 01:20:25,673 --> 01:20:27,209 It's still gonna be good, 1895 01:20:27,309 --> 01:20:29,577 but it's not gonna be what it is, 1896 01:20:29,677 --> 01:20:32,748 and we wouldn't have what we have now 15 years later. 1897 01:20:32,848 --> 01:20:35,217 - I think there's a lot of reasons why it endures so long. 1898 01:20:35,317 --> 01:20:38,120 You know, I think, um... 1899 01:20:38,220 --> 01:20:39,654 I think the biggest thing to me, 1900 01:20:39,754 --> 01:20:41,790 in terms of its longevity and success, 1901 01:20:41,890 --> 01:20:46,161 is that it is unique in that its portrayal of the future, 1902 01:20:46,261 --> 01:20:48,697 the optimistic portrayal of the future, 1903 01:20:48,797 --> 01:20:51,099 does kind of stand alone in pop culture. 1904 01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:53,035 The vast majority of science fiction pieces 1905 01:20:53,135 --> 01:20:54,703 that take place in the future, you know, 1906 01:20:54,803 --> 01:20:57,639 show us a dystopian future, a terrible future. 1907 01:20:57,739 --> 01:21:00,508 Here's the only real science fiction construct 1908 01:21:00,608 --> 01:21:02,544 that I wanna go live in, you know, 1909 01:21:02,644 --> 01:21:03,979 that I want to be part of. 1910 01:21:04,079 --> 01:21:07,215 I want to join that crew. I want to live that life. 1911 01:21:07,315 --> 01:21:09,818 I want to have those adventures with those people. 1912 01:21:09,918 --> 01:21:13,555 - "Star Trek" has something to say about who we are as people, 1913 01:21:13,655 --> 01:21:15,724 who we aspire to be, 1914 01:21:15,824 --> 01:21:19,327 and it says that we will endure. 1915 01:21:19,427 --> 01:21:21,363 We will overcome all obstacles. 1916 01:21:21,463 --> 01:21:23,398 - I think "Star Trek" will be around 1917 01:21:23,498 --> 01:21:25,400 for a long, long time 1918 01:21:25,500 --> 01:21:28,136 because it's a unique piece of science fiction 1919 01:21:28,236 --> 01:21:30,939 in that it's optimistic. 1920 01:21:31,039 --> 01:21:32,207 "Star Trek" is optimistic. 1921 01:21:32,307 --> 01:21:34,209 It holds out the hope 1922 01:21:34,309 --> 01:21:37,712 not that humans are gonna be somehow perfect in the future 1923 01:21:37,812 --> 01:21:39,214 but things can get better. 1924 01:21:39,314 --> 01:21:40,916 - I think "Star Trek" succeeded 1925 01:21:41,016 --> 01:21:43,886 because a number of elements fell into place. 1926 01:21:43,986 --> 01:21:46,989 They had a great overall story. 1927 01:21:47,089 --> 01:21:51,593 They're modern-day pioneers where no man has gone before. 1928 01:21:51,693 --> 01:21:53,561 So it could be the Wild West. 1929 01:21:53,661 --> 01:21:57,165 It's the Wild West in space, really, led by a great captain 1930 01:21:57,265 --> 01:21:59,034 and an incredible team. 1931 01:21:59,134 --> 01:22:01,937 - And I think it's gone on for 50 years so far 1932 01:22:02,037 --> 01:22:06,041 because it is a show about human interest 1933 01:22:06,141 --> 01:22:09,511 and adventure and how far we will go 1934 01:22:09,611 --> 01:22:13,248 to try to learn more and to expand our own worlds 1935 01:22:13,348 --> 01:22:14,616 and our own minds. 1936 01:22:14,716 --> 01:22:16,551 And I think that's something that resonates 1937 01:22:16,651 --> 01:22:18,086 with people 50 years ago, 1938 01:22:18,186 --> 01:22:20,755 and it'll resonate with people 50 years from now. 1939 01:22:20,855 --> 01:22:25,127 - And now, of course, J.J. has taken it to a whole other place. 1940 01:22:25,227 --> 01:22:27,195 - Why "Star Trek" is still relevant 1941 01:22:27,295 --> 01:22:30,465 is because of the paradigm that Gene Rodenberry came up with, 1942 01:22:30,565 --> 01:22:33,068 the idea of unity, of humanity-- 1943 01:22:33,168 --> 01:22:36,371 and other species, actually-- working together. 1944 01:22:36,471 --> 01:22:38,106 There's an optimism to it 1945 01:22:38,206 --> 01:22:40,508 that I think we've never needed more than now. 1946 01:22:40,608 --> 01:22:42,945 - Well, it starts with the characters, you know. 1947 01:22:43,045 --> 01:22:44,446 I love the ensemble. 1948 01:22:44,546 --> 01:22:45,914 I love the idea that, you know, 1949 01:22:46,014 --> 01:22:47,315 this group of people came together 1950 01:22:47,415 --> 01:22:50,185 and through the shared journey, they become a family. 1951 01:22:50,285 --> 01:22:52,454 The sense of family that goes beyond blood. 1952 01:22:52,554 --> 01:22:55,390 And I also love every night there's a sense of discovery 1953 01:22:55,490 --> 01:22:56,992 and exploration, you know, 1954 01:22:57,092 --> 01:22:59,461 and that, to me, is the DNA of "Star Trek." 1955 01:22:59,561 --> 01:23:01,864 - You know, I think "Star Trek's" enduring appeal 1956 01:23:01,964 --> 01:23:04,933 is really because it presents a vision of humanity 1957 01:23:05,033 --> 01:23:07,903 that is united and, particularly in this day and age, 1958 01:23:08,003 --> 01:23:10,472 it's wonderful to have kind of a beacon of morality 1959 01:23:10,572 --> 01:23:13,942 to see that, you know, maybe the dystopian future 1960 01:23:14,042 --> 01:23:16,644 that you see in a lot of movies like the "Mad Max" movies 1961 01:23:16,744 --> 01:23:19,381 and the "Blade Runner" movies is not gonna be our future. 1962 01:23:19,481 --> 01:23:20,949 - Collectivism versus separatism, 1963 01:23:21,049 --> 01:23:23,385 which is a big thing in today's society, you know. 1964 01:23:23,485 --> 01:23:25,520 About how we're better together. 1965 01:23:25,620 --> 01:23:27,655 And that was something that we felt obligated to do. 1966 01:23:27,755 --> 01:23:28,991 This is "Star Trek." 1967 01:23:29,091 --> 01:23:30,893 "Star Trek" has always spoken about who we are now. 1968 01:23:30,993 --> 01:23:33,661 - And now it's, I guess, coming back on another network. 1969 01:23:33,761 --> 01:23:36,331 You know I'ma try to get on there, you know, just to see. 1970 01:23:36,431 --> 01:23:40,502 Because I try--You know, Guinan is everywhere all the time. 1971 01:23:40,602 --> 01:23:43,471 - A majority of the "Star Trek" fans that I've met 1972 01:23:43,571 --> 01:23:45,107 are proactive 1973 01:23:45,207 --> 01:23:48,610 in making that vision of a better future a reality. 1974 01:23:48,710 --> 01:23:51,880 - The "Star Trek" fans are the most unique people 1975 01:23:51,980 --> 01:23:53,481 you've ever met. 1976 01:23:53,581 --> 01:23:56,051 They know your character. 1977 01:23:56,151 --> 01:23:59,922 They know every episode and what it meant 1978 01:24:00,022 --> 01:24:01,957 and how it affected them. 1979 01:24:02,057 --> 01:24:03,858 - If I were given the choice 1980 01:24:03,958 --> 01:24:07,429 of any character ever portrayed on television-- 1981 01:24:07,529 --> 01:24:08,830 that I could play any character I wanted-- 1982 01:24:08,930 --> 01:24:10,432 I would choose Spock. 1983 01:24:10,532 --> 01:24:12,700 - Well, people identified with us. 1984 01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:15,904 They identified with "Star Trek," 1985 01:24:16,004 --> 01:24:18,873 they identified with the characters. 1986 01:24:18,973 --> 01:24:21,376 They were dressing in their own uniforms 1987 01:24:21,476 --> 01:24:22,945 and their own costumes. 1988 01:24:23,045 --> 01:24:25,813 - It resonated with that group of people 1989 01:24:25,913 --> 01:24:27,782 that were kids, you know, 1990 01:24:27,882 --> 01:24:30,118 and now they're young adults. 1991 01:24:30,218 --> 01:24:32,187 - "Star Trek" created an umbrella 1992 01:24:32,287 --> 01:24:34,856 for everybody else. 1993 01:24:34,956 --> 01:24:38,260 And then once we got in under the shade, 1994 01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:41,129 we then said, "Oh, come. Come and join us." 1995 01:24:41,229 --> 01:24:44,032 That's what "Star Trek" did. 1996 01:24:44,132 --> 01:24:47,202 And that tent will continue to grow. 1997 01:24:47,302 --> 01:24:48,971 - And it's now 30 years later for our show, 1998 01:24:49,071 --> 01:24:50,372 when I'm talking to you, 1999 01:24:50,472 --> 01:24:54,042 50 years for the original show, and, I mean, 2000 01:24:54,142 --> 01:24:57,212 it goes in waves, but people are still 2001 01:24:57,312 --> 01:24:59,847 attached to, committed to, 2002 01:24:59,947 --> 01:25:02,684 affected by, interested in 2003 01:25:02,784 --> 01:25:04,819 this thing that Gene invented, 2004 01:25:04,919 --> 01:25:07,019 and I was blessed enough to be part of. 2005 01:25:07,500 --> 01:25:08,500 -- English -- 160121

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