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Would you like to inspect the original subtitles? These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:35,235 --> 00:00:38,605 It is, for better or worse, the birthplace of grunge. 2 00:00:38,605 --> 00:00:40,006 Seattle-based bands... 3 00:00:40,006 --> 00:00:41,875 Have topped the rock charts for the past few years. 4 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:44,444 Nirvana, Pearl Jam, and Soundgarden... 5 00:00:44,444 --> 00:00:46,046 have sold millions of records. 6 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:49,049 Independent releases to a major label debut... 7 00:00:49,049 --> 00:00:50,917 A musical movement centered around Seattle... 8 00:00:50,917 --> 00:00:54,254 and a sound and style that became known as grunge. 9 00:00:54,254 --> 00:00:56,890 A month before that album came out, they were... 10 00:00:56,890 --> 00:00:59,325 The basis of the generation... 11 00:00:59,325 --> 00:01:01,628 A... X society. 12 00:01:01,628 --> 00:01:04,531 Part of the grunge movement, as I understand it... 13 00:01:04,531 --> 00:01:07,067 is the fact that these kids have the ability to say... 14 00:01:07,067 --> 00:01:08,401 anything they want to say... 15 00:01:08,401 --> 00:01:10,170 express anything they want to express... 16 00:01:10,170 --> 00:01:14,074 any anger, any pain, any anguish, any torment... 17 00:01:14,074 --> 00:01:16,810 and they feel a kinship, a oneness... 18 00:01:16,810 --> 00:01:19,438 that this young man has been through tragedy... 19 00:01:26,786 --> 00:01:28,754 Thanks a lot. This is gonna be the last song. 20 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:42,335 Enough of your doctrines 21 00:01:42,335 --> 00:01:43,970 Your manifestos 22 00:01:43,970 --> 00:01:46,506 I'm a simple man 23 00:01:46,506 --> 00:01:49,876 And I speak with simple words 24 00:01:49,876 --> 00:01:53,642 Talk about inclusion, not exclusion 25 00:01:56,216 --> 00:01:57,917 I sing my song 26 00:01:57,917 --> 00:02:00,253 Across these rivers and valleys 27 00:02:00,253 --> 00:02:02,489 Mountains, seas 28 00:02:02,489 --> 00:02:05,151 Fields and oceans 29 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:08,695 I am a teacher 30 00:02:08,695 --> 00:02:10,063 You're a teacher, too 31 00:02:10,063 --> 00:02:11,965 I am a pencil pusher 32 00:02:11,965 --> 00:02:13,867 I am a ditch digger 33 00:02:13,867 --> 00:02:15,468 I am a loser 34 00:02:15,468 --> 00:02:18,028 Oh 35 00:02:29,149 --> 00:02:32,051 Let's start a riot 36 00:02:32,051 --> 00:02:33,177 Walk in the night air 37 00:02:36,356 --> 00:02:37,824 Remember those big bubbles that used to... 38 00:02:37,824 --> 00:02:39,559 Float through the middle of town? 39 00:02:39,559 --> 00:02:40,660 Yeah! 40 00:02:40,660 --> 00:02:42,695 These big... like, bubbles, man. 41 00:02:42,695 --> 00:02:43,830 They still do. 42 00:02:43,830 --> 00:02:45,231 Yeah. You see them once in a while. 43 00:02:45,231 --> 00:02:47,767 They've got this big pit out in the bay... 44 00:02:47,767 --> 00:02:50,003 that's like, all... like, this weird shit... 45 00:02:50,003 --> 00:02:52,572 that comes out of the process, and the way... 46 00:02:52,572 --> 00:02:53,673 the bubbles, they're, like, this big... 47 00:02:53,673 --> 00:02:55,975 and they would float around, and they're bad, toxic things. 48 00:02:55,975 --> 00:02:57,277 So, the way to get rid of it... 49 00:02:57,277 --> 00:02:59,012 Is they got these big water sprinklers... 50 00:02:59,012 --> 00:03:00,947 and they just, like, run sprinklers over it... 51 00:03:00,947 --> 00:03:02,115 A bubble still gets out once in a while. 52 00:03:02,115 --> 00:03:04,984 - They're huge. They're like... - The bubble of death. 53 00:03:04,984 --> 00:03:06,586 I went to Bothell High School... 54 00:03:06,586 --> 00:03:10,256 which is a suburban hell hole. 55 00:03:10,256 --> 00:03:11,925 There's a sign as you enter town. 56 00:03:11,925 --> 00:03:14,761 It says, "Welcome to Bothell, for a day or a lifetime." 57 00:03:14,761 --> 00:03:18,431 And someone... I wish I had've done it... 58 00:03:18,431 --> 00:03:20,934 but someone erased the B-O-T at one time... 59 00:03:20,934 --> 00:03:23,536 so it was, "Welcome to hell for a day or a lifetime." 60 00:03:23,536 --> 00:03:25,371 The northwest is where "flying saucers"... 61 00:03:25,371 --> 00:03:27,574 the term "flying saucers" Was coined. 62 00:03:27,574 --> 00:03:30,643 The northwest is where "Louie, Louie" is from. 63 00:03:30,643 --> 00:03:31,811 The northwest is where... 64 00:03:31,811 --> 00:03:34,547 it's the serial killer capital of the world. 65 00:03:34,547 --> 00:03:37,383 We have more unsolved serial killings up here... 66 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:39,852 than any other place in the United States. 67 00:03:39,852 --> 00:03:42,922 I mean, the Manson family used to vacation up this way. 68 00:03:42,922 --> 00:03:45,291 This place is weird. Lot of occult stuff. 69 00:03:45,291 --> 00:03:49,022 All this stuff is a factor in what happened in the music. 70 00:04:03,476 --> 00:04:05,945 I mean, when the weather is crappy... 71 00:04:05,945 --> 00:04:07,547 you don't want to go outside. 72 00:04:07,547 --> 00:04:09,882 You know, you basically feel like staying in the house. 73 00:04:09,882 --> 00:04:13,886 And, it's a very logical thing... 74 00:04:13,886 --> 00:04:15,688 to want to go down into your basement... 75 00:04:15,688 --> 00:04:18,224 and make noise to take out your frustrations... 76 00:04:18,224 --> 00:04:20,193 because you can't go outside... 77 00:04:20,193 --> 00:04:22,695 and do anything when it's raining all the time. 78 00:04:22,695 --> 00:04:23,997 Don't get off the bus 79 00:04:23,997 --> 00:04:25,331 'Cause there ain't nothing for you here 80 00:04:25,331 --> 00:04:27,300 In my hometown 81 00:04:27,300 --> 00:04:29,736 Is Seattle a nice place to live? It's the best place to live. 82 00:04:29,736 --> 00:04:31,070 And I've traveled all over the place... 83 00:04:31,070 --> 00:04:33,039 and I honestly wouldn't live anywhere else. 84 00:04:33,039 --> 00:04:34,974 It has all the amenities of a big city. 85 00:04:34,974 --> 00:04:38,411 But, you know, there's nothing you're missing out on... 86 00:04:38,411 --> 00:04:40,346 by being in Seattle as opposed to another city. 87 00:04:40,346 --> 00:04:42,448 And it's pretty, you know? 88 00:04:42,448 --> 00:04:45,051 There's hills and mountains and trees and water. 89 00:04:45,051 --> 00:04:46,519 So all these people come here... 90 00:04:46,519 --> 00:04:48,688 and then there's all this publicity... 91 00:04:48,688 --> 00:04:50,490 and "Northern Exposure" and "Twin Peaks." 92 00:04:50,490 --> 00:04:52,625 And everybody wants to come up here... 93 00:04:52,625 --> 00:04:54,294 and live the good yuppie lifestyle... 94 00:04:54,294 --> 00:04:56,696 but all that time, there's all these people... 95 00:04:56,696 --> 00:04:58,431 that are underneath that were here first... 96 00:04:58,431 --> 00:05:00,933 and are just starving, and they're all crazy. 97 00:05:00,933 --> 00:05:02,935 I mean, it's like one of those end-of-the-world places. 98 00:05:02,935 --> 00:05:05,165 You can't go no further and still be in the U.S. 99 00:05:12,412 --> 00:05:13,470 Oh yeah 100 00:05:20,553 --> 00:05:23,890 Since fourteen years ago 101 00:05:23,890 --> 00:05:27,593 I saw you out my door 102 00:05:27,593 --> 00:05:30,430 Can't you see me in that, so 103 00:05:30,430 --> 00:05:33,433 Oh, baby, it's one night, so 104 00:05:33,433 --> 00:05:35,201 And I watch outside 105 00:05:35,201 --> 00:05:36,769 And I see you there 106 00:05:36,769 --> 00:05:38,571 And I wonder where 107 00:05:38,571 --> 00:05:40,373 And I take a stare 108 00:05:40,373 --> 00:05:42,375 I say, I watch outside 109 00:05:42,375 --> 00:05:44,510 Watch outside 110 00:05:44,510 --> 00:05:45,745 I watch outside 111 00:05:45,745 --> 00:05:51,115 Watch outside, yeah 112 00:06:01,227 --> 00:06:02,695 I watch outside 113 00:06:02,695 --> 00:06:04,364 I see you there 114 00:06:04,364 --> 00:06:05,932 I wonder where 115 00:06:05,932 --> 00:06:07,667 I take a stare 116 00:06:07,667 --> 00:06:09,635 I say I watch outside 117 00:06:09,635 --> 00:06:11,738 Watch outside 118 00:06:11,738 --> 00:06:13,473 I watch outside 119 00:06:13,473 --> 00:06:15,274 Watch outside 120 00:06:15,274 --> 00:06:17,910 I watch outside, I see you ride 121 00:06:17,910 --> 00:06:22,048 I watch outside and I see you ride 122 00:06:22,048 --> 00:06:24,784 I watch outside, I want outside 123 00:06:24,784 --> 00:06:28,388 I watch outside, I take a ride 124 00:06:28,388 --> 00:06:32,290 I watch outside 125 00:06:32,392 --> 00:06:38,231 In 1980... I think bands stopped coming to Seattle. 126 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:39,599 Bands never used to come here... 127 00:06:39,599 --> 00:06:41,601 'cause they'd go as far as San Francisco... 128 00:06:41,601 --> 00:06:43,903 and then not come all the way up to Seattle... 129 00:06:43,903 --> 00:06:45,671 because it wasn't worth it to play one show. 130 00:06:45,671 --> 00:06:49,342 There were 2, maybe 21/2 clubs where you could play... 131 00:06:49,342 --> 00:06:50,877 if you were playing your own music. 132 00:06:50,877 --> 00:06:53,045 Some people used to rent halls... 133 00:06:53,045 --> 00:06:55,047 just put their whole show on themselves. 134 00:06:55,047 --> 00:06:57,150 Take tickets, run up, do the music... 135 00:06:57,150 --> 00:06:59,452 and at the end, pick up the broom and clean it up. 136 00:06:59,452 --> 00:07:01,317 Let me call you about it 137 00:07:10,296 --> 00:07:11,831 Woke up this morning 138 00:07:11,831 --> 00:07:13,433 Well, Seattle was really lame. 139 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,935 You know, specifically in the early eighties... 140 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:18,271 I mean, Seattle was like a million second cities. 141 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:21,407 It had a fake Talking Heads, it had a fake Pere Ubu... 142 00:07:21,407 --> 00:07:23,476 it had a fake Killing Joke... 143 00:07:23,476 --> 00:07:26,379 it had all the fake Ramones you could shake a stick at. 144 00:07:26,379 --> 00:07:28,881 And people from Bellevue singing with English accents. 145 00:07:28,881 --> 00:07:32,151 There was this big poodle metal scene... 146 00:07:32,151 --> 00:07:34,687 bands with big, fancy guitars... 147 00:07:34,687 --> 00:07:38,391 and just tons and tons of hairspray, eyeliner. 148 00:07:38,391 --> 00:07:40,226 See, all the extra-sleazy punk rockers... 149 00:07:40,226 --> 00:07:41,794 used to hang out on First Avenue. 150 00:07:41,794 --> 00:07:43,396 There's a donut shop right there... 151 00:07:43,396 --> 00:07:45,364 which is right next to the Showbox... 152 00:07:45,364 --> 00:07:47,834 which is right there... it's a comedy club now. 153 00:07:47,834 --> 00:07:50,570 And that was, like, the big punk rock venue. 154 00:07:50,570 --> 00:07:53,439 Opening Night, the very first punk club in Seattle. 155 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,239 This is probably worth... you know, 3, 400 bucks. 156 00:08:04,984 --> 00:08:06,611 Solid 157 00:08:10,256 --> 00:08:12,725 Action 158 00:08:12,725 --> 00:08:14,627 Nobody was too worried about success... 159 00:08:14,627 --> 00:08:16,395 because we knew we were living in Seattle. 160 00:08:16,395 --> 00:08:19,332 It wasn't L.A. Nobody was gonna come and sign us. 161 00:08:19,332 --> 00:08:21,701 We played a show, some small club. 162 00:08:21,701 --> 00:08:23,302 The audience consisted of... 163 00:08:23,302 --> 00:08:25,705 members of the other dozen or so bands... 164 00:08:25,705 --> 00:08:28,674 that were playing similar bills and similar clubs. 165 00:08:31,777 --> 00:08:33,179 Say goodnight, then take a bite 166 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:35,781 Then dig it a hole 167 00:08:35,781 --> 00:08:36,949 Take a light, then take a bite 168 00:08:36,949 --> 00:08:38,184 Then dig it a hole 169 00:08:38,184 --> 00:08:40,286 The bands that stuck it out... 170 00:08:40,286 --> 00:08:42,188 did it because they really, really, really enjoyed... 171 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:43,523 playing their music. 172 00:08:43,523 --> 00:08:46,425 And that was really the only positive reinforcement... 173 00:08:46,425 --> 00:08:48,027 that anybody got. 174 00:08:48,027 --> 00:08:50,096 We really started playing music 'cause it's fun... 175 00:08:50,096 --> 00:08:54,934 which probably most people say, but with us, it's true. 176 00:08:54,934 --> 00:08:57,300 - Yeah, everybody else is lying. - Everybody else is lying. 177 00:09:07,246 --> 00:09:09,916 After all the trouble has come and gone 178 00:09:09,916 --> 00:09:12,318 It was here for so long 179 00:09:12,318 --> 00:09:14,620 Now I've got this sinking feeling 180 00:09:14,620 --> 00:09:18,891 Everyone seems to be leaving 181 00:09:18,891 --> 00:09:21,227 Oh, whoa 182 00:09:21,227 --> 00:09:24,130 I can't believe how Ionely it is here on K Street 183 00:09:24,130 --> 00:09:26,999 There's no one like me here on K Street 184 00:09:26,999 --> 00:09:30,336 How Ionely it is here on K Street today 185 00:09:30,336 --> 00:09:31,671 Today 186 00:09:31,671 --> 00:09:34,507 Today, today 187 00:09:34,507 --> 00:09:36,008 I've never been in any other spot in the country... 188 00:09:36,008 --> 00:09:37,810 where so many people play, you know? 189 00:09:37,810 --> 00:09:39,712 You know, there's tons of shitty bands... 190 00:09:39,712 --> 00:09:42,081 but there's, like, tons of great bands, too. 191 00:09:42,081 --> 00:09:44,216 The most interesting music around here... 192 00:09:44,216 --> 00:09:46,085 is definitely coming from places... 193 00:09:46,085 --> 00:09:48,154 where people are just playing in the garage... 194 00:09:48,154 --> 00:09:49,322 they're playing to themselves. 195 00:09:49,322 --> 00:09:50,489 They're playing to their friends. 196 00:09:50,489 --> 00:09:52,024 Across the street lives... 197 00:09:52,024 --> 00:09:53,960 these guys are in a band called Sister Psychic. 198 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,329 And then there's another band who practices there... 199 00:09:56,329 --> 00:09:57,496 and they're all friends... 200 00:09:57,496 --> 00:09:59,865 and then Her Fault, my little brother's band... 201 00:09:59,865 --> 00:10:01,901 and they're all friends. 202 00:10:01,901 --> 00:10:04,337 They go to the show. It's just friends playing music. 203 00:10:04,337 --> 00:10:05,838 Oh, and I can't believe 204 00:10:05,838 --> 00:10:08,708 How Ionely it is here on K Street 205 00:10:08,708 --> 00:10:11,310 There's no one like me here on K Street 206 00:10:11,310 --> 00:10:14,513 How Ionely it is here on K Street today 207 00:10:14,513 --> 00:10:15,648 Today 208 00:10:15,648 --> 00:10:17,917 Today, today 209 00:10:17,917 --> 00:10:19,085 Today 210 00:10:19,085 --> 00:10:20,286 Today 211 00:10:20,286 --> 00:10:22,188 Today, today 212 00:10:22,188 --> 00:10:24,190 We were all so fucking bored... 213 00:10:24,190 --> 00:10:26,058 Out of our heads, that it was get drunk... 214 00:10:26,058 --> 00:10:29,161 fall down, and, uh... you know... 215 00:10:29,161 --> 00:10:30,496 throw your body around. 216 00:10:30,496 --> 00:10:32,465 And all the bands that came through Seattle... 217 00:10:32,465 --> 00:10:35,368 at that time... Scratch Acid and Big Black... 218 00:10:35,368 --> 00:10:38,037 said that Seattle had the most exciting... 219 00:10:38,037 --> 00:10:40,272 potent scene going on in the U.S. 220 00:10:40,272 --> 00:10:42,241 They all loved to play here because everyone... 221 00:10:42,241 --> 00:10:45,011 would just, like, go nuts and drink themselves... 222 00:10:45,011 --> 00:10:47,713 into a frenzy and throw themselves onstage... 223 00:10:47,713 --> 00:10:50,016 and it was very flattering for these bands, you know... 224 00:10:50,016 --> 00:10:52,184 whereas you go to Los Angeles and New York... 225 00:10:52,184 --> 00:10:54,286 And people stood there and went, "Hmm... 226 00:10:54,286 --> 00:10:56,982 "I don't know, he missed a note there." 227 00:11:07,533 --> 00:11:09,368 Best bands in Seattle were, like, Malfunkshun... 228 00:11:09,368 --> 00:11:11,837 the U-Men. Who else? 229 00:11:11,837 --> 00:11:14,340 Skin Yard, My Eye, Feast... 230 00:11:14,340 --> 00:11:17,176 64 Spiders, Bundle of Hiss. 231 00:11:17,176 --> 00:11:19,445 Nobody ever remembers Psycho Pop, man. 232 00:11:19,445 --> 00:11:20,880 We could make a long list... 233 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,249 if we wanna talk about all Tom's bands. 234 00:11:23,249 --> 00:11:24,583 We were a good band, man! 235 00:11:24,583 --> 00:11:25,885 We had a band called the Farts. 236 00:11:25,885 --> 00:11:27,720 Red Dress... Blackouts... 237 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:30,222 The Blackouts were an excellent band. 238 00:11:30,222 --> 00:11:31,524 You know, Three Swimmers, Beakers... 239 00:11:31,524 --> 00:11:32,892 Little Bears in Bangkok... 240 00:11:32,892 --> 00:11:34,994 Max Band, Quack Quack Quack. 241 00:11:34,994 --> 00:11:37,963 Nobody knows these names. This is ancient history. 242 00:11:37,963 --> 00:11:40,766 One generation out from a band is every band... 243 00:11:40,766 --> 00:11:43,135 that shared a member directly with that band. 244 00:11:43,135 --> 00:11:44,637 For instance, you know... 245 00:11:44,637 --> 00:11:46,005 Stone Gossard was in Green River... 246 00:11:46,005 --> 00:11:47,540 and then he went to Mother Love Bone. 247 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,208 That's one generation out. 248 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:50,976 So, for instance, you could take, like... 249 00:11:50,976 --> 00:11:52,378 an early band like the Blunt Objects... 250 00:11:52,378 --> 00:11:53,813 and it asks you how many generations... 251 00:11:53,813 --> 00:11:55,212 Let's go four generations out. 252 00:11:57,349 --> 00:11:59,251 So, you sort of have these three columns... 253 00:11:59,251 --> 00:12:01,587 the mainstream, heavy metal, hard rock thing... 254 00:12:01,587 --> 00:12:03,956 that, you know, Mother Love Bone and Pearl Jam have done. 255 00:12:03,956 --> 00:12:06,425 Then there's the Fastbacks, the Posies, and... 256 00:12:06,425 --> 00:12:09,128 the Young Fresh Fellows, which were probably... 257 00:12:09,128 --> 00:12:10,796 the first band to really make it out of Seattle... 258 00:12:10,796 --> 00:12:12,832 all by themselves, without moving out of town. 259 00:12:12,832 --> 00:12:14,767 And they were just, you know, sort of a pop sound. 260 00:12:14,767 --> 00:12:18,370 And then, the third branch is noise/grunge rock. 261 00:12:18,370 --> 00:12:21,307 That was closely related to Green River and Mudhoney... 262 00:12:21,307 --> 00:12:23,042 and the Thrown-ups whole sort of sub-pop... 263 00:12:23,042 --> 00:12:25,344 you know, grunge sound. And it's pretty incestuous... 264 00:12:25,344 --> 00:12:28,314 but you keep bumping into the same old people. 265 00:12:28,314 --> 00:12:29,749 Green River. 266 00:12:29,749 --> 00:12:32,251 This was the genesis right here. 267 00:12:32,251 --> 00:12:34,186 Steve and Mark from Mudhoney. 268 00:12:34,186 --> 00:12:37,156 And Stone and Jeff from Pearl Jam... 269 00:12:37,156 --> 00:12:39,024 and Alex, who is now studying to be a lawyer. 270 00:12:39,024 --> 00:12:40,493 Room Nine became Love Battery... 271 00:12:40,493 --> 00:12:43,162 Bundle of Hiss became Tad, Pure Joy became Flop... 272 00:12:43,162 --> 00:12:45,664 Skin Yard, among other things, became... 273 00:12:45,664 --> 00:12:46,732 Grunt Truck. 274 00:12:46,732 --> 00:12:48,801 Jesse Bernstein, who's dead. 275 00:12:48,801 --> 00:12:50,169 Watch, folks. 276 00:12:50,169 --> 00:12:52,037 Hundreds of dollars. 277 00:12:52,037 --> 00:12:54,673 Don was in Butt Sweat. 278 00:12:54,673 --> 00:12:58,477 And they played at one skate contest. 279 00:12:58,477 --> 00:13:00,613 You were, too, Tom. Don't lie. 280 00:13:00,613 --> 00:13:03,883 And he was also in the Kings of Rock. 281 00:13:03,883 --> 00:13:06,685 So was Jim Tillman from Love Battery. 282 00:13:06,685 --> 00:13:08,788 What? Jim Tillman wasn't in Butt Sweat. 283 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:11,023 - He played rhythm guitar. - Did he? 284 00:13:11,023 --> 00:13:12,958 Yep. 285 00:13:12,958 --> 00:13:14,727 Remember, friends, this is only a movie. 286 00:13:14,727 --> 00:13:16,422 You're free to leave the theater at any time. 287 00:13:22,802 --> 00:13:25,738 Well, I got batter 288 00:13:25,738 --> 00:13:27,638 Oh, you just add one 289 00:13:30,209 --> 00:13:32,978 A beginner 290 00:13:32,978 --> 00:13:35,310 Let's go like a sun 291 00:13:36,982 --> 00:13:38,751 Heat up the syrup 292 00:13:38,751 --> 00:13:39,919 Whoo 293 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:42,080 This is gonna be fun 294 00:13:44,056 --> 00:13:46,425 These hotcakes 295 00:13:46,425 --> 00:13:48,586 Flapping like a gun 296 00:13:51,630 --> 00:13:53,232 Talkin' 'bout them hotcakes 297 00:13:53,232 --> 00:13:55,134 You know what I mean 298 00:13:55,134 --> 00:13:57,034 Talkin' 'bout them hotcakes 299 00:13:58,404 --> 00:14:00,139 Knocking back them hotcakes 300 00:14:00,139 --> 00:14:01,607 I don't think they leave 301 00:14:01,607 --> 00:14:05,077 Talkin' 'bout them hotcakes 302 00:14:05,077 --> 00:14:07,012 Give me some more of them, give me some more of them 303 00:14:07,012 --> 00:14:08,714 Give me some more of them hotcakes 304 00:14:08,714 --> 00:14:10,249 Give me some more of them, give me some more of them 305 00:14:10,249 --> 00:14:11,884 Give me some more of them hotcakes 306 00:14:11,884 --> 00:14:13,719 Give me some more of them, give me some more of them 307 00:14:13,719 --> 00:14:16,153 Give me some more hotcakes right now 308 00:14:16,322 --> 00:14:18,090 Someone said to me once that there was... 309 00:14:18,090 --> 00:14:21,894 the aesthetic of dumb about the Seattle music scene... 310 00:14:21,894 --> 00:14:25,865 that the music wasn't stupid, but it was dumb. 311 00:14:25,865 --> 00:14:27,833 You know, Mudhoney is not stupid... 312 00:14:27,833 --> 00:14:29,134 but they're a little bit dumb. 313 00:14:29,134 --> 00:14:32,638 My mom has always told me that I am not a loser. 314 00:14:32,638 --> 00:14:35,608 So, the whole loser thing, I never believed in... 315 00:14:35,608 --> 00:14:38,444 'cause clearly, I am not a loser. 316 00:14:38,444 --> 00:14:40,746 Mark, I think your mom has told you the same thing. 317 00:14:40,746 --> 00:14:41,947 We're not losers. 318 00:14:41,947 --> 00:14:44,550 I guess it's really easy to think of yourself as a loser... 319 00:14:44,550 --> 00:14:46,418 'cause then you don't care if people like you or not. 320 00:14:46,418 --> 00:14:48,087 You know? That's sort of the idea. 321 00:14:48,087 --> 00:14:49,554 And then you can do whatever you want. 322 00:14:50,823 --> 00:14:51,924 And it's funny. 323 00:14:51,924 --> 00:14:55,761 We were the guy in high school who people used to beat up. 324 00:14:55,761 --> 00:14:58,464 And we couldn't even talk to the pretty girl. 325 00:14:58,464 --> 00:15:02,735 I mean, we couldn't... We're nerds, god damn it! 326 00:15:02,735 --> 00:15:05,771 Well, I think ever since Spinal Tap came out... 327 00:15:05,771 --> 00:15:08,073 I mean, they were, like, pointing the finger at... 328 00:15:08,073 --> 00:15:13,145 bloated, overly commercialized, diluted bands... 329 00:15:13,145 --> 00:15:16,181 And we just looked at ourselves and said... 330 00:15:16,181 --> 00:15:19,018 "We don't have to point at somebody else. We can..." 331 00:15:19,018 --> 00:15:21,453 You be the cat, I'll be the mouse 332 00:15:21,453 --> 00:15:24,156 You be the cat, and I'll be the mouse 333 00:15:24,156 --> 00:15:27,293 You be the cat, see? I'll be the mouse 334 00:15:27,293 --> 00:15:29,828 Invite me over to your mousetrap house 335 00:15:29,828 --> 00:15:31,921 It's a mousetrap 336 00:15:36,101 --> 00:15:39,004 You be the cat 337 00:15:39,004 --> 00:15:40,406 I'll be the mouse 338 00:15:40,406 --> 00:15:43,142 You be the cat and I'll be the mouse 339 00:15:43,142 --> 00:15:45,911 Invite me over to your mousetrap house 340 00:15:45,911 --> 00:15:48,981 Running in and out of your steel catch 341 00:15:48,981 --> 00:15:51,750 Yeah, that's what it's all about 342 00:15:51,750 --> 00:15:54,887 To you, to you 343 00:15:54,887 --> 00:15:58,891 To you, to you 344 00:15:58,891 --> 00:16:01,160 Mousetrap 345 00:16:01,160 --> 00:16:02,594 A mousetrap 346 00:16:02,594 --> 00:16:03,929 A mousetrap 347 00:16:03,929 --> 00:16:05,631 Mousetrap 348 00:16:05,631 --> 00:16:09,835 A mouse 349 00:16:09,835 --> 00:16:12,565 Trap 350 00:16:14,406 --> 00:16:16,709 Aah 351 00:16:16,709 --> 00:16:18,768 Mousetrap 352 00:16:41,233 --> 00:16:42,768 When you've been through periods... 353 00:16:42,768 --> 00:16:44,436 where you've had keyboard players... 354 00:16:44,436 --> 00:16:46,772 with 50,000 pounds worth of kit onstage... 355 00:16:46,772 --> 00:16:52,611 82 keyboards and 95 samplers, you know... 356 00:16:52,611 --> 00:16:54,413 after a while, you just go, "Hang on. 357 00:16:54,413 --> 00:16:56,715 "This is like eating too much food at one sitting. 358 00:16:56,715 --> 00:16:59,218 "There's too much sound. It's too many colors. 359 00:16:59,218 --> 00:17:01,987 "It's all got poncey and posey. 360 00:17:01,987 --> 00:17:05,582 "Let's go and see some bands where they just bash it out." 361 00:17:05,758 --> 00:17:08,193 Eat my dump 362 00:17:08,193 --> 00:17:11,430 Tell me if you love me 363 00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:13,665 Eat my dump 364 00:17:13,665 --> 00:17:16,602 Help me 365 00:17:16,602 --> 00:17:18,737 Smell my pie 366 00:17:18,737 --> 00:17:21,974 Some bands get onstage, and they're basically... 367 00:17:21,974 --> 00:17:24,610 entertainers. They have a shtick. 368 00:17:24,610 --> 00:17:27,379 They are giving you a show. 369 00:17:27,379 --> 00:17:29,048 Some bands get up there and they rock. 370 00:17:29,048 --> 00:17:30,749 And you can tell the difference. 371 00:17:30,749 --> 00:17:32,518 That's why Seattle bands tend to be... 372 00:17:32,518 --> 00:17:34,553 a little bit inconsistent live, I think... 373 00:17:34,553 --> 00:17:36,655 is because most of them aren't really up there... 374 00:17:36,655 --> 00:17:38,891 to be entertainers. They're up there to rock out. 375 00:17:38,891 --> 00:17:40,993 And their best shows are when they're having the most fun... 376 00:17:40,993 --> 00:17:44,163 not when they necessarily have their act down... 377 00:17:44,163 --> 00:17:45,931 because maybe they don't have an act. 378 00:17:45,931 --> 00:17:47,900 If it's connecting with the audience right... 379 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:49,401 I get chills. I mean, I can just... 380 00:17:49,401 --> 00:17:51,336 I finish a song, and it feels right... 381 00:17:51,336 --> 00:17:53,572 and I can just tell it's gonna start going fine. 382 00:17:53,572 --> 00:17:54,940 Man, I get chills. 383 00:17:54,940 --> 00:17:57,204 And they're rockin', and fuck yeah, let's go. 384 00:17:57,476 --> 00:17:59,178 You're putting on me 385 00:17:59,178 --> 00:18:01,647 And dealing with society 386 00:18:01,647 --> 00:18:03,382 The forces are close 387 00:18:03,382 --> 00:18:06,418 They're over the line 388 00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:09,354 I got a freaky feeling in my soul 389 00:18:09,354 --> 00:18:12,357 Nerve going out of control 390 00:18:12,357 --> 00:18:16,695 Nowhere to turn, nowhere to hide 391 00:18:16,695 --> 00:18:19,431 I got a train driving through my head 392 00:18:19,431 --> 00:18:22,568 Fever burning in my bed 393 00:18:22,568 --> 00:18:24,069 My telephone rings 394 00:18:24,069 --> 00:18:27,072 Somebody dead on the line 395 00:18:27,072 --> 00:18:30,342 I say 54/40 or fight 396 00:18:30,342 --> 00:18:32,845 54/40 or fight 397 00:18:32,845 --> 00:18:36,882 54, 54, 54/40 or fight 398 00:18:36,882 --> 00:18:38,941 All right 399 00:18:51,263 --> 00:18:52,230 Let's go 400 00:18:54,099 --> 00:18:56,935 You're watching it drop 401 00:18:56,935 --> 00:18:59,304 Had it to here 402 00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:02,474 They're taking him home 403 00:19:02,474 --> 00:19:05,677 Gotta get away 404 00:19:05,677 --> 00:19:08,780 Gotta get away 405 00:19:08,780 --> 00:19:10,349 Had it to here 406 00:19:10,349 --> 00:19:12,544 Gotta get away 407 00:19:22,427 --> 00:19:24,296 There's a million people out there that could do... 408 00:19:24,296 --> 00:19:26,064 what I'm doing... as far as producing... 409 00:19:26,064 --> 00:19:27,166 recording, anything like that... 410 00:19:27,166 --> 00:19:29,535 a lot better than I'm doing, have better equipment. 411 00:19:29,535 --> 00:19:32,638 But still, the only way you get good at anything... 412 00:19:32,638 --> 00:19:34,206 is to be doing it all the time. 413 00:19:34,206 --> 00:19:36,975 So, this is a lifetime chore for me. 414 00:19:36,975 --> 00:19:38,677 Basically, it's just to have complete control... 415 00:19:38,677 --> 00:19:39,912 over everything. 416 00:19:39,912 --> 00:19:41,980 To be able to do it the way you wanna do it. 417 00:19:41,980 --> 00:19:44,049 Have it come out the right way... 418 00:19:44,049 --> 00:19:45,684 and to not really... 419 00:19:45,684 --> 00:19:49,221 have anybody that can tell you what the hell to do... 420 00:19:49,221 --> 00:19:51,523 where you can play, how you can look, how you can dress. 421 00:19:51,523 --> 00:19:54,126 What songs to record, which ones not to. 422 00:19:54,126 --> 00:19:55,794 It keeps it on a personal level. 423 00:19:55,794 --> 00:19:59,565 It keeps it where rock and roll-type things... 424 00:19:59,565 --> 00:20:02,100 really should be. 425 00:20:02,100 --> 00:20:04,503 It's very much just happening right there. 426 00:20:04,503 --> 00:20:06,939 It's not happening in somebody's... 427 00:20:06,939 --> 00:20:10,209 big offices or in somebody's big bank accounts or anything. 428 00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:14,077 It's really exciting for the people that are doing it. 429 00:20:16,782 --> 00:20:19,551 Some say, "Dude, just forget her 430 00:20:19,551 --> 00:20:20,786 "In a world of your own 431 00:20:20,786 --> 00:20:24,489 "You let it make every day pathetic 432 00:20:24,489 --> 00:20:26,658 You're in need of a cure." She is one 433 00:20:26,658 --> 00:20:29,228 You'll survive a vegetable 434 00:20:29,228 --> 00:20:31,730 The meat's diseased and she said so 435 00:20:31,730 --> 00:20:36,190 I won't try to persuade you anymore 436 00:20:41,073 --> 00:20:43,642 A long time ago 437 00:20:43,642 --> 00:20:47,112 When I lost my way 438 00:20:47,112 --> 00:20:49,410 Hey 439 00:20:54,553 --> 00:20:56,054 PopLlama was a big influence. 440 00:20:56,054 --> 00:20:57,489 Conrad can do it, Sub Pop can do it. 441 00:20:57,489 --> 00:20:59,324 We wanted to do our own record... Well, hell. 442 00:20:59,324 --> 00:21:00,859 If these guys can do it... 443 00:21:00,859 --> 00:21:03,629 we've seen these guys so drunk they can't stand up. 444 00:21:03,629 --> 00:21:05,731 You know? They can't drive a car... 445 00:21:05,731 --> 00:21:07,933 And they can do this, so we can do that. 446 00:21:07,933 --> 00:21:09,534 That's just a given, I think... 447 00:21:09,534 --> 00:21:11,403 with people here. They don't sit around... 448 00:21:11,403 --> 00:21:13,438 going, "Oh, nothing ever happens here. 449 00:21:13,438 --> 00:21:14,740 "Nothing ever goes on here." You know... 450 00:21:14,740 --> 00:21:16,675 by the time the kid's out of high school... 451 00:21:16,675 --> 00:21:18,710 he's already been in a band, put out a couple fanzines... 452 00:21:18,710 --> 00:21:20,112 you know, recorded a few records. 453 00:21:20,112 --> 00:21:22,014 Started a label, did a radio show. 454 00:21:22,014 --> 00:21:24,149 And that was the whole lesson we learned when we moved up here. 455 00:21:24,149 --> 00:21:26,818 Like, you just do it. We moved up here 456 00:21:26,818 --> 00:21:29,588 And we saw other bands, you know, no different than us. 457 00:21:29,588 --> 00:21:31,023 Just putting out records. 458 00:21:31,023 --> 00:21:32,991 All you really need to do that... 459 00:21:32,991 --> 00:21:35,827 is some magnetic tape and a microphone. 460 00:21:35,827 --> 00:21:40,532 And that's really all you need, and then, you know, maybe... 461 00:21:40,532 --> 00:21:43,402 just maybe... some bad reverb. 462 00:21:43,402 --> 00:21:46,004 And they smell good. Records just smell good. 463 00:21:46,004 --> 00:21:48,273 There's nothing like cracking that cellophane... 464 00:21:48,273 --> 00:21:50,298 and pulling that record out. It just smells great. 465 00:22:00,719 --> 00:22:05,223 When "Deep Six" first came out, it was chronicling something... 466 00:22:05,223 --> 00:22:08,293 that was suddenly going on, I guess. 467 00:22:08,293 --> 00:22:10,262 It was by a fluke of providence. 468 00:22:10,262 --> 00:22:13,265 Kind of the initial document of... 469 00:22:13,265 --> 00:22:15,767 what later turned in to be a pretty big scene. 470 00:22:15,767 --> 00:22:17,235 I think we all became aware... 471 00:22:17,235 --> 00:22:19,271 that there was a certain regional sound developing. 472 00:22:19,271 --> 00:22:20,829 And nobody had a name for it. 473 00:22:25,944 --> 00:22:27,679 That's punk rock, and... 474 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:30,409 one day, they just sort of started going... 475 00:22:37,622 --> 00:22:38,611 And that was grunge. 476 00:22:40,425 --> 00:22:43,195 The most noisy... 477 00:22:43,195 --> 00:22:46,031 most absurd... 478 00:22:46,031 --> 00:22:47,521 heaviest thing that was going. 479 00:23:00,946 --> 00:23:03,048 Yeah, we know this is heavy rock... 480 00:23:03,048 --> 00:23:05,817 and heavy rock is kinda stupid, but it's fun anyways. 481 00:23:05,817 --> 00:23:09,020 It's when you had a band like the Melvins doing Kiss covers. 482 00:23:09,020 --> 00:23:10,288 It was all in fun. It was, like... 483 00:23:10,288 --> 00:23:11,923 "We know this is that this is the cheesiest thing... 484 00:23:11,923 --> 00:23:13,925 "we could possibly do. We gotta do it." 485 00:23:13,925 --> 00:23:15,994 It's just ridiculousness, complete ridiculousness. 486 00:23:15,994 --> 00:23:17,796 What can we get away with next, you know? 487 00:23:17,796 --> 00:23:21,600 Looking for one like you were 488 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:24,569 Holding like so long ago 489 00:23:24,569 --> 00:23:26,405 Like a hotel 490 00:23:26,405 --> 00:23:28,373 Like a fish store 491 00:23:28,373 --> 00:23:31,501 My world war tissue 492 00:23:46,525 --> 00:23:48,093 Bands like Green River, basically. 493 00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:50,395 They were, sort of, the definitive grunge band. 494 00:23:50,395 --> 00:23:52,464 It was a euphemism for, just, extremes... 495 00:23:52,464 --> 00:23:53,932 extremes of anything. 496 00:23:53,932 --> 00:23:58,036 And a lot of people say that it's a throwback to metal. 497 00:23:58,036 --> 00:24:00,572 Heavy metal is part of it. It was one influence. 498 00:24:00,572 --> 00:24:04,176 Punk rock was one influence. Basically, anything loud... 499 00:24:04,176 --> 00:24:06,111 and crushing and extreme was an influence. 500 00:24:06,111 --> 00:24:08,680 We'd all been in bands that were more controlled... 501 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,650 and more dynamic, you know, and... 502 00:24:11,650 --> 00:24:14,753 you know... more... better... better bands, actually. 503 00:24:14,753 --> 00:24:17,289 And we just... well, our whole thing was... 504 00:24:17,289 --> 00:24:19,057 we just wanted to get away from all structure... 505 00:24:19,057 --> 00:24:21,626 and just be chaotic, and not worry about that. 506 00:24:21,626 --> 00:24:23,361 It was a kind of joyful release. 507 00:24:23,361 --> 00:24:25,597 It's taken rock right back to its basics... 508 00:24:25,597 --> 00:24:27,833 which is go out there and make a hell of a noise. 509 00:24:27,833 --> 00:24:30,825 And make sure you play music your parents don't like. 510 00:25:02,968 --> 00:25:04,803 Wait 511 00:25:04,803 --> 00:25:07,906 I can't wait 512 00:25:07,906 --> 00:25:10,709 Life's too short for all the pennies that wait 513 00:25:10,709 --> 00:25:13,678 Selling your time, put down a lot of new ways 514 00:25:13,678 --> 00:25:14,813 Calling for Lisa 515 00:25:14,813 --> 00:25:16,147 Calling for Lisa 516 00:25:16,147 --> 00:25:17,549 Calling for Lisa 517 00:25:17,549 --> 00:25:18,880 Calling for Lisa 518 00:25:38,670 --> 00:25:39,838 First thing, actually... 519 00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:41,540 was when we were doing the first Soundgarden single... 520 00:25:41,540 --> 00:25:43,608 and we were doing a song called nothing to say... 521 00:25:43,608 --> 00:25:45,777 which was just... 522 00:25:45,777 --> 00:25:48,313 at the time, just seemed amazingly heavy. 523 00:25:48,313 --> 00:25:50,482 I thought this... you know, these guys... 524 00:25:50,482 --> 00:25:52,784 can't possibly be really playing this song. 525 00:25:52,784 --> 00:25:55,253 It sounds like... you know, this sounds insane. 526 00:25:55,253 --> 00:25:56,821 It sounds way too good for 8-track... 527 00:25:56,821 --> 00:26:00,450 and it sounds way too good for a crappy little Seattle band. 528 00:26:00,859 --> 00:26:05,964 Someone said 529 00:26:05,964 --> 00:26:10,302 My words are out of balance 530 00:26:10,302 --> 00:26:13,605 Nothing to say 531 00:26:13,605 --> 00:26:16,741 You got nothing to say 532 00:26:16,741 --> 00:26:19,444 Bruce Pavitt originally had the name Sub Pop... 533 00:26:19,444 --> 00:26:21,112 when he was living in Olympia, I think. 534 00:26:21,112 --> 00:26:23,882 He had a sort of cassette fanzine network... 535 00:26:23,882 --> 00:26:26,451 where he put out these little compilation cassettes... 536 00:26:26,451 --> 00:26:27,919 of local bands. 537 00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,655 He was interested in making it a vinyl magazine. 538 00:26:30,655 --> 00:26:32,891 The bands he was interested in at the time... 539 00:26:32,891 --> 00:26:34,192 were Green River and us. 540 00:26:34,192 --> 00:26:38,029 And John, also, was a huge fan of ours. 541 00:26:38,029 --> 00:26:40,498 He wanted to make a record... start a record label... 542 00:26:40,498 --> 00:26:44,002 so we talked about working together to put out a record. 543 00:26:44,002 --> 00:26:47,172 Up to that time, everyone played it really safe. 544 00:26:47,172 --> 00:26:50,141 All the small labels... "We'll put out a single... 545 00:26:50,141 --> 00:26:51,743 "every three months, and, you know... 546 00:26:51,743 --> 00:26:53,979 "we'll sell 1,000 copies of it... 547 00:26:53,979 --> 00:26:56,181 "and that's cool, because I've got my day job." 548 00:26:56,181 --> 00:26:58,516 And John and Bruce were having none of that. 549 00:26:58,516 --> 00:27:00,352 They said, "We don't want to work day jobs. 550 00:27:00,352 --> 00:27:02,921 "We don't want our bands to work day jobs. 551 00:27:02,921 --> 00:27:04,689 "We want them out there on the road. 552 00:27:04,689 --> 00:27:07,692 "We want them in the big magazines. 553 00:27:07,692 --> 00:27:08,927 "We want their records everywhere. 554 00:27:08,927 --> 00:27:12,364 "It is punk rock, but we don't care. 555 00:27:12,364 --> 00:27:15,000 "We want to make it bigger than punk rock." 556 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,802 And that's why these two gentlemen... 557 00:27:17,802 --> 00:27:20,805 are the kings of the scene, as you might say. 558 00:27:20,805 --> 00:27:24,042 There was a real indie ethic in the eighties... 559 00:27:24,042 --> 00:27:26,711 that you weren't supposed to be proud of having hit records... 560 00:27:26,711 --> 00:27:28,213 or being a hit machine. 561 00:27:28,213 --> 00:27:30,715 And Jon and I, as fans of, you know... 562 00:27:30,715 --> 00:27:34,219 the history of pop music in this this country... 563 00:27:34,219 --> 00:27:37,055 really admired labels like Motown... 564 00:27:37,055 --> 00:27:39,057 and their hit factory... 565 00:27:39,057 --> 00:27:40,592 - Mentality. - Yeah. 566 00:27:40,592 --> 00:27:42,494 They definitely picked a certain kind of band... 567 00:27:42,494 --> 00:27:44,729 for their label, which makes everybody think... 568 00:27:44,729 --> 00:27:48,533 that that's the only thing that was going on in Seattle. 569 00:27:48,533 --> 00:27:50,702 By default, I ended up engineering all of them... 570 00:27:50,702 --> 00:27:53,571 and they had Charles doing all of the photography... 571 00:27:53,571 --> 00:27:56,007 so there was definitely a package and an image... 572 00:27:56,007 --> 00:27:57,676 and a sound. 573 00:27:57,676 --> 00:28:01,379 I think every community has their pools of talent. 574 00:28:01,379 --> 00:28:03,248 It's just a matter of being able to take on... 575 00:28:03,248 --> 00:28:05,016 the responsibility of marketing. 576 00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:09,754 You know, I'm a failed pop musician myself, so... 577 00:28:09,754 --> 00:28:11,423 you know, I kind of decided... 578 00:28:11,423 --> 00:28:13,958 well, I'm going to play in crummy band after crummy band. 579 00:28:13,958 --> 00:28:16,061 I may as well rep some of these bands... 580 00:28:16,061 --> 00:28:18,096 who might have a chance at doing something. 581 00:28:18,096 --> 00:28:20,765 Basically, he said, "Hey, you sing about dogs... 582 00:28:20,765 --> 00:28:23,101 "you sing about being sick. 583 00:28:23,101 --> 00:28:26,938 "You got a shtick, it'll take you to the top." 584 00:28:26,938 --> 00:28:29,441 And he basically gave us, like, five chords... 585 00:28:29,441 --> 00:28:32,501 But he said, "Don't use more than three within one song." 586 00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:41,951 I feel bad 587 00:28:43,054 --> 00:28:44,919 Yeah, I've felt worse 588 00:28:46,324 --> 00:28:47,625 I'm a creep 589 00:28:47,625 --> 00:28:48,683 Yeah 590 00:28:49,794 --> 00:28:51,129 I'm a jerk 591 00:28:51,129 --> 00:28:52,221 Oh 592 00:28:54,332 --> 00:28:56,095 Touch me, I'm sick 593 00:29:02,307 --> 00:29:04,366 I won't live long 594 00:29:05,910 --> 00:29:07,935 And I'm full of rot 595 00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,383 Want to give you, girl 596 00:29:12,383 --> 00:29:14,185 Everything I got 597 00:29:14,185 --> 00:29:15,777 Oh 598 00:29:17,055 --> 00:29:19,285 Touch me, I'm sick 599 00:29:23,661 --> 00:29:26,027 Touch me, I'm sick 600 00:29:27,632 --> 00:29:29,634 When Sub Pop finally got their act together... 601 00:29:29,634 --> 00:29:32,103 and they started somehow getting... 602 00:29:32,103 --> 00:29:35,673 this underground hype-thing going... 603 00:29:35,673 --> 00:29:37,275 which started very small... 604 00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:40,178 they flew an English journalist into Seattle. 605 00:29:40,178 --> 00:29:41,946 They took him to see a Mudhoney show... 606 00:29:41,946 --> 00:29:44,149 and gave him some singles and had him meet everybody... 607 00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:45,884 and he went back and wrote a big article... 608 00:29:45,884 --> 00:29:47,519 in one of the English music papers... 609 00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:49,687 and that sort of started this big frenzy in England. 610 00:29:49,687 --> 00:29:52,690 It just seemed like it was a worthwhile business move. 611 00:29:52,690 --> 00:29:56,861 Yeah. And fortunately, Everett was a brilliant enough guy... 612 00:29:56,861 --> 00:29:58,696 that he could piece together a story... 613 00:29:58,696 --> 00:30:01,800 that essentially sold the world on Seattle. 614 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,234 Love me, I'm rich 615 00:30:06,871 --> 00:30:08,039 Come on, baby 616 00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:09,741 Now, come with me 617 00:30:09,741 --> 00:30:11,643 If you don't come 618 00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:13,044 If you don't come 619 00:30:13,044 --> 00:30:14,212 If you don't come 620 00:30:14,212 --> 00:30:15,474 You'll die alone 621 00:30:17,215 --> 00:30:20,385 Sub Pop... the hype machine. 622 00:30:20,385 --> 00:30:22,253 And we went along with it. 623 00:30:22,253 --> 00:30:23,988 It seemed pretty funny at the time. 624 00:30:23,988 --> 00:30:25,757 They didn't really hype their bands. 625 00:30:25,757 --> 00:30:29,060 They hyped their label, which is a much different thing... 626 00:30:29,060 --> 00:30:31,896 a much more original thing. 627 00:30:31,896 --> 00:30:34,265 It gave a record this desirability... 628 00:30:34,265 --> 00:30:36,234 this, perhaps, fictional desirability... 629 00:30:36,234 --> 00:30:37,669 but nonetheless, it made the collectors... 630 00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:39,070 try and get a hold of these things... 631 00:30:39,070 --> 00:30:40,839 and made people talk about them. 632 00:30:40,839 --> 00:30:42,740 So, a lot of people talked about Sub Pop... 633 00:30:42,740 --> 00:30:44,409 and how cool their records were... 634 00:30:44,409 --> 00:30:47,011 and how cool the packaging, and the bands were cool... 635 00:30:47,011 --> 00:30:48,546 And..."Oh, you can't get the record. 636 00:30:48,546 --> 00:30:50,181 "It's worth a lot of money already." 637 00:30:50,181 --> 00:30:53,084 People started looking for the Seattle sound... 638 00:30:53,084 --> 00:30:55,587 the same way that D.C., and Boston, New York... 639 00:30:55,587 --> 00:30:57,755 and L.A., and all those places... 640 00:30:57,755 --> 00:31:00,892 had this crazy little identity all of their own. 641 00:31:00,892 --> 00:31:03,695 Seattle started getting its own identity... 642 00:31:03,695 --> 00:31:06,027 and Sub Pop decided to exploit that. 643 00:31:23,448 --> 00:31:25,617 We're all right 644 00:31:25,617 --> 00:31:27,118 Yeah, all right 645 00:31:27,118 --> 00:31:30,955 So, you're looking for something super 646 00:31:30,955 --> 00:31:34,292 Aren't we all? 647 00:31:34,292 --> 00:31:36,828 Yeah, all right 648 00:31:36,828 --> 00:31:39,464 Never knowing if it hit you 649 00:31:39,464 --> 00:31:44,135 Right between the eyes 650 00:31:44,135 --> 00:31:45,970 Yeah, all right 651 00:31:45,970 --> 00:31:48,339 Gonna lift you up 652 00:31:48,339 --> 00:31:50,341 Gonna bring you down 653 00:31:50,341 --> 00:31:52,510 Gonna let you 654 00:31:52,510 --> 00:31:55,246 Oh, gonna slide your heart 655 00:31:55,246 --> 00:32:02,020 Gonna let you follow your own dream 656 00:32:02,020 --> 00:32:05,757 It'll turn your head around 657 00:32:05,757 --> 00:32:09,093 For the first time in your life 658 00:32:09,093 --> 00:32:10,194 You might find that 659 00:32:10,194 --> 00:32:13,464 For the second time in a year 660 00:32:13,464 --> 00:32:14,999 I don't mind 661 00:32:14,999 --> 00:32:16,834 For the last time 662 00:32:16,834 --> 00:32:19,359 I think it's time to fly 663 00:32:20,972 --> 00:32:22,774 Freedom's right 664 00:32:22,774 --> 00:32:26,175 Between the eyes 665 00:32:26,511 --> 00:32:28,813 Suddenly, there were three times as many people... 666 00:32:28,813 --> 00:32:30,648 that had been here all along. 667 00:32:30,648 --> 00:32:33,217 Going out, seeing bands, and supporting those bands... 668 00:32:33,217 --> 00:32:37,322 and allowing the scene to be far more viable. 669 00:32:37,322 --> 00:32:39,223 What you actually see happening in Seattle... 670 00:32:39,223 --> 00:32:42,393 is this kind of explosion of sub-culture. 671 00:32:42,393 --> 00:32:44,062 I think it's a very important thing... 672 00:32:44,062 --> 00:32:46,297 and a very healthy thing to have happen anywhere... 673 00:32:46,297 --> 00:32:47,966 particularly in a place like Seattle. 674 00:32:47,966 --> 00:32:49,734 It's so conservative and so reserved. 675 00:32:49,734 --> 00:32:51,903 To have something like this happen here has been... 676 00:32:51,903 --> 00:32:54,906 nothing short of, like, a major electrical shock. 677 00:32:54,906 --> 00:32:58,242 Everything was suddenly just buzzing with activity. 678 00:32:58,242 --> 00:33:00,511 I mean, singles were being put out... 679 00:33:00,511 --> 00:33:02,647 there was no point earlier in history... 680 00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:04,582 that you could have a magazine devote... 681 00:33:04,582 --> 00:33:08,753 an entire record reviews section just to local record reviews. 682 00:33:08,753 --> 00:33:12,690 People from underground fanzines across the country... 683 00:33:12,690 --> 00:33:14,926 were already starting to snipe about Seattle... 684 00:33:14,926 --> 00:33:16,494 and how much hype it was receiving. 685 00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:19,263 When things started to become spotlighted... 686 00:33:19,263 --> 00:33:22,166 more venues opened up... 687 00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:24,936 and more opportunities opened up for people to play... 688 00:33:24,936 --> 00:33:29,440 but there was never a lack of great musical talent... 689 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:31,376 and it was always really diverse. 690 00:33:31,376 --> 00:33:35,870 And there was always an unspoken sense of community about it. 691 00:33:47,392 --> 00:33:49,994 I'm so happy 692 00:33:49,994 --> 00:33:53,197 It's sunny outside 693 00:33:53,197 --> 00:33:55,600 I'm so happy 694 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,636 It's snowing today 695 00:33:58,636 --> 00:34:03,641 I'm so... oh 696 00:34:03,641 --> 00:34:05,943 I'm so happy 697 00:34:05,943 --> 00:34:08,379 The world's gonna explode 698 00:34:08,379 --> 00:34:10,648 They won't let us in because we're not 18. 699 00:34:10,648 --> 00:34:12,950 And age doesn't have anything to do with music! 700 00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:15,253 Burn the house down 701 00:34:15,253 --> 00:34:19,257 Burn the house down 702 00:34:19,257 --> 00:34:21,325 Ooh 703 00:34:21,325 --> 00:34:23,995 Ooh-ooh-ooh 704 00:34:23,995 --> 00:34:26,555 Ooh-ooh 705 00:34:30,668 --> 00:34:33,504 The Seattle music scene right now is really vital. 706 00:34:33,504 --> 00:34:35,173 I mean, it is so alive. 707 00:34:35,173 --> 00:34:38,042 It's better than London in the 1960s. 708 00:34:38,042 --> 00:34:40,745 It's better than New York in the '70s. I mean... 709 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:43,948 Margaret, I was in London in the 1960s. 710 00:34:43,948 --> 00:34:47,285 I was in London in the 1960s. It was awful! 711 00:34:47,285 --> 00:34:48,786 If you say the word "scene"... 712 00:34:48,786 --> 00:34:51,022 everybody rolls their eyes and laughs at you. 713 00:34:51,022 --> 00:34:53,858 It's, "Scene. Ha ha!" You know, "There's no scene!" 714 00:34:53,858 --> 00:34:57,095 So, a lot of people thought that it has reached its peak... 715 00:34:57,095 --> 00:34:59,397 and by next year, we were all gonna go back... 716 00:34:59,397 --> 00:35:00,898 to doing what we were doing. 717 00:35:00,898 --> 00:35:04,769 And we were all gonna go back to our little small town utopia. 718 00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:07,438 And about 1990, we all sort of went... 719 00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:08,996 "Oh, good. It's over." 720 00:35:44,242 --> 00:35:46,244 Come out and play 721 00:35:46,244 --> 00:35:48,913 Make up the rules 722 00:35:48,913 --> 00:35:52,250 I'm not another child as well 723 00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:56,420 It's not enough to raise you 724 00:35:56,420 --> 00:35:59,590 It's not enough to save you 725 00:35:59,590 --> 00:36:03,928 Hello, hello, hello, how low 726 00:36:03,928 --> 00:36:07,732 Hello, hello, hello, how low 727 00:36:07,732 --> 00:36:11,269 Hello, hello, hello, how low 728 00:36:11,269 --> 00:36:14,071 Hello, hello, hello 729 00:36:14,071 --> 00:36:17,942 Well, I'm lyin' and I'm famous 730 00:36:17,942 --> 00:36:21,579 Here we are now, entertain us 731 00:36:21,579 --> 00:36:25,383 I feel stupid and I'm waitin' 732 00:36:25,383 --> 00:36:29,453 Here we are now, entertain us 733 00:36:29,453 --> 00:36:30,988 Yeah 734 00:36:30,988 --> 00:36:32,455 Hey 735 00:36:32,623 --> 00:36:34,458 Nirvana kind of came out of left field. 736 00:36:34,458 --> 00:36:36,460 Namely Aberdeen, which is a town... 737 00:36:36,460 --> 00:36:38,696 sort of out in the middle of nowhere. 738 00:36:38,696 --> 00:36:41,032 And, you know, we just got a phone call... 739 00:36:41,032 --> 00:36:44,435 At the studio one day from this guy, you know, Kurt. 740 00:36:44,435 --> 00:36:46,137 He said he was a friend of the Melvins... 741 00:36:46,137 --> 00:36:48,472 and he wanted to come up and just record some songs. 742 00:36:48,472 --> 00:36:49,774 And I said OK. 743 00:36:49,774 --> 00:36:51,609 A friend of the Melvins, a friend of mine. Come on up. 744 00:36:51,609 --> 00:36:52,910 I didn't know who the hell he was... 745 00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:54,212 and nobody else did, either. 746 00:36:54,212 --> 00:36:57,615 He just came up, blew out ten songs in five hours. 747 00:36:57,615 --> 00:36:59,817 We recorded and mixed them in one afternoon. 748 00:36:59,817 --> 00:37:01,652 And... blew me away. 749 00:37:01,652 --> 00:37:03,487 I thought, "Oh, my God. This is amazing." 750 00:37:03,487 --> 00:37:06,190 I said, "Guys, can I please keep a copy of this for myself... 751 00:37:06,190 --> 00:37:07,725 "Before you go back to Aberdeen?" 752 00:37:07,725 --> 00:37:09,716 That was the tape I gave to Jonathan. 753 00:37:21,472 --> 00:37:25,009 This is my penultimate grunge photo. 754 00:37:25,009 --> 00:37:27,812 Kurt Cobain spinning on his back. 755 00:37:27,812 --> 00:37:30,514 Everyone asks, "How in the hell is he doing that?" 756 00:37:30,514 --> 00:37:31,916 I don't know. 757 00:37:31,916 --> 00:37:33,251 I'm a negative creep 758 00:37:33,251 --> 00:37:34,885 I'm a negative creep 759 00:37:34,885 --> 00:37:37,755 I'm a negative creep, and I'm stoned 760 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:40,524 I'm a negative creep, I'm a negative creep 761 00:37:40,524 --> 00:37:43,294 I'm a negative creep 762 00:37:43,294 --> 00:37:45,463 At that point, I think Soundgarden had put out... 763 00:37:45,463 --> 00:37:47,732 their first major label record. It was doing OK. 764 00:37:47,732 --> 00:37:49,367 I think Screaming Trees... 765 00:37:49,367 --> 00:37:51,202 had put out their first major label record. 766 00:37:51,202 --> 00:37:54,705 I think it was doing OK. Alice in Chains had put out... 767 00:37:54,705 --> 00:37:56,907 their first major label record. It was doing OK. 768 00:37:56,907 --> 00:37:59,377 But, Nirvana was kind of the little brother. 769 00:37:59,377 --> 00:38:02,913 You know, the runt of the litter, so to speak. 770 00:38:02,913 --> 00:38:06,083 And I remember jonathan telling me in 1990... 771 00:38:06,083 --> 00:38:10,421 he said, "This band is going to be huge." 772 00:38:10,421 --> 00:38:12,256 He said it exactly like that. 773 00:38:12,256 --> 00:38:16,488 He said, "Jack, this band is going to be huge." 774 00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:26,671 The record came out in fall... September. 775 00:38:26,671 --> 00:38:29,006 The video came... 776 00:38:29,006 --> 00:38:30,841 I remember the first time I saw the video. 777 00:38:30,841 --> 00:38:33,511 I thought, "This is so cool... 778 00:38:33,511 --> 00:38:36,147 "but there's no way MTV will play this. 779 00:38:36,147 --> 00:38:37,348 "There's just no way." 780 00:38:37,348 --> 00:38:38,949 And then when that started going... 781 00:38:38,949 --> 00:38:40,851 it reached millions of kids instantly. 782 00:38:40,851 --> 00:38:43,854 Ben would go off and call up people back home in Seattle. 783 00:38:43,854 --> 00:38:45,156 He'd come back and say... 784 00:38:45,156 --> 00:38:47,024 you know, the latest sales figures. 785 00:38:47,024 --> 00:38:49,390 He'd go, "'Nevermind' has done 300,000." 786 00:38:50,961 --> 00:38:54,465 "'Nevermind' has done 400,000." 787 00:38:54,465 --> 00:38:55,766 "'Nevermind' just went gold." 788 00:38:55,766 --> 00:38:58,736 With the lights out 789 00:38:58,736 --> 00:39:00,738 It's less dangerous 790 00:39:00,738 --> 00:39:04,875 Here we are now, entertain us 791 00:39:04,875 --> 00:39:08,779 I feel stupid and contagious 792 00:39:08,779 --> 00:39:12,516 Here we are now, entertain us 793 00:39:12,516 --> 00:39:14,852 A mulatto 794 00:39:14,852 --> 00:39:16,854 A denial 795 00:39:16,854 --> 00:39:18,856 A denial 796 00:39:18,856 --> 00:39:20,858 A denial 797 00:39:20,858 --> 00:39:24,294 A denial 798 00:39:24,495 --> 00:39:28,397 It was an old, brain song called "Money Changes Everything." 799 00:39:30,401 --> 00:39:32,892 I think we adapted that to "Nirvana Changes Everything." 800 00:39:33,070 --> 00:39:35,506 Ow 801 00:39:35,506 --> 00:39:38,042 Ow 802 00:39:38,042 --> 00:39:40,578 Ow 803 00:39:40,578 --> 00:39:43,080 Ow 804 00:39:43,080 --> 00:39:48,919 Dust rise 805 00:39:48,919 --> 00:39:53,724 Right over my time 806 00:39:53,724 --> 00:39:58,396 Empty 807 00:39:58,396 --> 00:40:00,865 Fossil 808 00:40:00,865 --> 00:40:04,769 Of the new scene 809 00:40:04,769 --> 00:40:06,937 I feel so alone 810 00:40:06,937 --> 00:40:09,673 Gonna end up a big ol' pile 811 00:40:09,673 --> 00:40:12,141 Of them bones 812 00:40:29,927 --> 00:40:31,019 Yeah 813 00:40:53,017 --> 00:40:55,453 That's probably why you create in the first place. 814 00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:57,955 Because of the freedom. 815 00:40:57,955 --> 00:40:59,156 I mean, whatever you want... 816 00:40:59,156 --> 00:41:01,158 you can lay whatever you want on tape. 817 00:41:01,158 --> 00:41:03,828 But again, commerce is involved. 818 00:41:03,828 --> 00:41:06,997 And as soon as it starts going through those channels... 819 00:41:06,997 --> 00:41:09,166 those money-making channels... 820 00:41:09,166 --> 00:41:10,768 everything changes. 821 00:41:10,768 --> 00:41:13,237 When these bands started to get popular, all of a sudden... 822 00:41:13,237 --> 00:41:14,672 everyone wanted to find the next Nirvana. 823 00:41:14,672 --> 00:41:16,674 Everyone wanted to sign the next Pearl Jam. 824 00:41:16,674 --> 00:41:17,975 All of a sudden... 825 00:41:17,975 --> 00:41:20,644 bands who'd never played live before, practically... 826 00:41:20,644 --> 00:41:22,813 were getting huge advances. 827 00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:25,349 The labels started bidding for bands... 828 00:41:25,349 --> 00:41:26,684 to get bands signed... 829 00:41:26,684 --> 00:41:28,452 so that they can then sell them to a major... 830 00:41:28,452 --> 00:41:29,954 The bands get all worked up... 831 00:41:29,954 --> 00:41:33,657 and basically break verbal contracts you make with them... 832 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,259 because, well, you don't have a contract. 833 00:41:35,259 --> 00:41:37,294 I mean, when I first started, I didn't need contracts. 834 00:41:37,294 --> 00:41:38,395 I didn't think I did. 835 00:41:38,395 --> 00:41:39,730 You know, they were "Here's my friends"... 836 00:41:39,730 --> 00:41:41,765 but someone throws 500,000 in their face... 837 00:41:41,765 --> 00:41:43,567 and they're like, "Huh? We didn't have a contract." 838 00:41:43,567 --> 00:41:47,037 If the major labels are like a big, dumb Baby Huey... 839 00:41:47,037 --> 00:41:48,706 You know, that... 840 00:41:48,706 --> 00:41:51,375 "Oh! What's going on in Athens?" 841 00:41:51,375 --> 00:41:54,044 And waddle over to Athens and you sit down in Athens... 842 00:41:54,044 --> 00:41:55,412 and you start buying lunches... 843 00:41:55,412 --> 00:41:57,214 and you crush three bands by accident. 844 00:41:57,214 --> 00:41:59,550 You know? Wow! The party's in Athens. 845 00:41:59,550 --> 00:42:01,719 And then you kind of look over your shoulder. 846 00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:04,088 You go, "Oh! Minneapolis!" 847 00:42:04,088 --> 00:42:07,057 And Baby Huey gets up and goes and sits on Minneapolis... 848 00:42:07,057 --> 00:42:08,826 and kills three bands by accident... 849 00:42:08,826 --> 00:42:10,160 and buys a bunch of lunches... 850 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:12,396 and, you know, kind of plays that party out. 851 00:42:12,396 --> 00:42:15,065 So, the idea that they were moving and... 852 00:42:15,065 --> 00:42:16,767 you know, sort of dedicated clumps. 853 00:42:16,767 --> 00:42:19,003 Seattle was just, like, part of that process. 854 00:42:19,003 --> 00:42:22,907 Say good-bye to your friends and family 855 00:42:22,907 --> 00:42:25,609 Welcome to the menagerie 856 00:42:25,609 --> 00:42:30,447 Funny how they forget to tell you 857 00:42:30,447 --> 00:42:33,183 This is all you will ever be 858 00:42:33,183 --> 00:42:36,854 This is all you will ever be, now 859 00:42:36,854 --> 00:42:40,724 This is all you will ever be 860 00:42:40,724 --> 00:42:44,261 This is all you will ever be, now 861 00:42:44,261 --> 00:42:47,662 This is all you will ever be 862 00:43:01,345 --> 00:43:03,414 The effect of this whole thing of, like, hyping a label... 863 00:43:03,414 --> 00:43:05,482 or hyping a sound, or hyping a place... 864 00:43:05,482 --> 00:43:07,952 is it starts to take a lot of the attention... 865 00:43:07,952 --> 00:43:10,154 away from the individual artists that are making music. 866 00:43:10,154 --> 00:43:11,622 Everyone doesn't sound the same. 867 00:43:11,622 --> 00:43:14,291 Everyone isn't grunge. Everyone doesn't have long hair. 868 00:43:14,291 --> 00:43:17,227 You know... 869 00:43:17,227 --> 00:43:19,964 They made a big mistake. They didn't go further... 870 00:43:19,964 --> 00:43:23,133 and find more of the bands that were already here... 871 00:43:23,133 --> 00:43:24,501 and had been here... 872 00:43:24,501 --> 00:43:27,338 even before the bands that were exploited were. 873 00:43:27,338 --> 00:43:30,140 That's what makes me feel guilty... 874 00:43:30,140 --> 00:43:32,843 of the success of our band. Because it should've been... 875 00:43:32,843 --> 00:43:37,214 spread out to the success of, like, a number of bands here. 876 00:43:37,214 --> 00:43:40,117 They focus on this one scene, or one type of music... 877 00:43:40,117 --> 00:43:41,652 when, really, that's pretty inaccurate... 878 00:43:41,652 --> 00:43:43,454 'cause there's all kinds of bands here, you know. 879 00:43:43,454 --> 00:43:45,155 There's, like, weird, funky jazz bands... 880 00:43:45,155 --> 00:43:46,991 and weird, you know, hip-hop bands... 881 00:43:46,991 --> 00:43:49,393 punk rock bands, or metal bands, or whatever. 882 00:43:49,393 --> 00:43:50,761 It's like there's a whole bunch of stuff. 883 00:43:50,761 --> 00:43:52,730 Surf bands and cowpoke bands. There's a shitload... 884 00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:54,365 of different bands here. There always has been. 885 00:43:54,365 --> 00:43:55,766 In Europe, they just started... 886 00:43:55,766 --> 00:43:57,735 to put stickers on things that just said "Seattle." 887 00:43:57,735 --> 00:43:59,336 That's all the stickers said. 888 00:43:59,336 --> 00:44:00,471 It's like, the stamp... 889 00:44:00,471 --> 00:44:02,006 you know, it's like the U.S.D.A. 890 00:44:02,006 --> 00:44:04,406 It's, like, Seattle... stamp it. 891 00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:24,852 Yeah 892 00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:31,669 Low beat 893 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,704 Great band. 894 00:44:33,704 --> 00:44:35,673 I like best. 895 00:44:35,673 --> 00:44:37,868 Low beat 896 00:44:42,746 --> 00:44:44,270 Low beat 897 00:44:48,786 --> 00:44:50,686 Get down now 898 00:45:19,516 --> 00:45:20,483 Hey 899 00:45:25,189 --> 00:45:26,884 Low beat 900 00:45:31,995 --> 00:45:33,864 Low beat, whoo 901 00:45:33,864 --> 00:45:35,933 I hate category of grunge. 902 00:45:35,933 --> 00:45:38,102 Grunge categorize... oh. 903 00:45:38,102 --> 00:45:41,939 I only like live, loud music. 904 00:45:41,939 --> 00:45:43,907 I don't need grunge. 905 00:45:58,122 --> 00:46:02,292 How many times have you said I'm sorry 906 00:46:02,292 --> 00:46:05,896 To only trash me within the day 907 00:46:05,896 --> 00:46:09,733 I think "God, will I ever escape this?" 908 00:46:09,733 --> 00:46:13,303 Now my body just burns 909 00:46:13,303 --> 00:46:16,874 Beware of what I threw you 910 00:46:16,874 --> 00:46:20,511 Baggage like fire just to thrill you 911 00:46:20,511 --> 00:46:23,914 Like I might turn and sniff you 912 00:46:23,914 --> 00:46:27,543 Slippery near the edge 913 00:46:32,556 --> 00:46:34,825 Nirvana happening or Pearl Jam happening... 914 00:46:34,825 --> 00:46:37,027 in some way seems like kind of a... 915 00:46:37,027 --> 00:46:39,329 some kind of, like, weird natural occurrence... 916 00:46:39,329 --> 00:46:41,331 that got rolling in 1979. 917 00:46:41,331 --> 00:46:44,034 It's that energy. Whatever that energy started as... 918 00:46:44,034 --> 00:46:46,503 ultimately, you know, landed with what we got now. 919 00:46:46,503 --> 00:46:48,705 It's not like it's punk rock paying off. 920 00:46:48,705 --> 00:46:50,507 It's more like you push the pimple hard enough... 921 00:46:50,507 --> 00:46:52,142 and it pops up someplace else. 922 00:46:52,142 --> 00:46:54,511 But then it becomes homogenized, manipulated... 923 00:46:54,511 --> 00:46:57,181 and marketed, and it's not intense anymore. 924 00:46:57,181 --> 00:46:59,950 So, there's a constant cycle of rebellion. 925 00:46:59,950 --> 00:47:01,852 I think punk's going to be there forever, man. 926 00:47:01,852 --> 00:47:03,687 As long as there's kids that like it. 927 00:47:03,687 --> 00:47:06,356 Yeah. Kids are the most important part of punk. 928 00:47:06,356 --> 00:47:07,724 They want to get wild. Yeah. 929 00:47:07,724 --> 00:47:09,126 There'll be no shortage... 930 00:47:09,126 --> 00:47:11,495 of disaffected american youth over the next fifty years. 931 00:47:11,495 --> 00:47:12,663 Probably even more. 932 00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:14,064 Some great rock 'n' roll coming down the line. 933 00:47:14,064 --> 00:47:18,368 Slip through you, yeah 934 00:47:18,368 --> 00:47:21,839 There's over 1,000 bands in Seattle right now. 935 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,041 And I think a lot of that is people moving here. 936 00:47:24,041 --> 00:47:28,111 Bands moving here in hopes of becoming famous. 937 00:47:28,111 --> 00:47:30,047 Because of all the hype and all the attention on Seattle... 938 00:47:30,047 --> 00:47:31,882 people know that if they do something here... 939 00:47:31,882 --> 00:47:34,651 they're going get recognized to some extent. 940 00:47:34,651 --> 00:47:36,687 It won't be totally overlooked, even if it's bad. 941 00:47:36,687 --> 00:47:38,422 In fact, there were musicians who moved... 942 00:47:38,422 --> 00:47:41,325 to California in the early eighties from Seattle... 943 00:47:41,325 --> 00:47:43,953 to try and get signed, who started moving back. 944 00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:52,903 There's got to be at least 1,000... 945 00:47:52,903 --> 00:47:54,404 if not more than that, in Seattle. 946 00:47:54,404 --> 00:47:55,973 So, I came with an idea... 947 00:47:55,973 --> 00:47:58,442 to package boxed sets of northwest bands. 948 00:47:58,442 --> 00:48:01,078 So, what I try and do, is I try and find ways to exploit... 949 00:48:01,078 --> 00:48:02,746 and I like the word "exploit"... 950 00:48:02,746 --> 00:48:05,082 exploit through propaganda and television... 951 00:48:05,082 --> 00:48:07,351 the northwest music community as a whole. 952 00:48:07,351 --> 00:48:09,753 Volume three is probably my favorite set. 953 00:48:09,753 --> 00:48:13,423 It's got some of the most well-known bands. 954 00:48:13,423 --> 00:48:15,926 You've got your Hammerbox, and your Hungry Crocodiles... 955 00:48:15,926 --> 00:48:18,595 and Pond, Sara DeBell, Peace, Love, and Guitars. 956 00:48:18,595 --> 00:48:21,598 Just got... I mean, it's got so many great bands in it... 957 00:48:21,598 --> 00:48:23,200 that if you want to know anything about... 958 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,935 the northwest music... there's my card... 959 00:48:24,935 --> 00:48:27,104 you want to know anything about the northwest music scene... 960 00:48:27,104 --> 00:48:29,606 this is a great place to start because all the cards... 961 00:48:29,606 --> 00:48:32,442 have the contact information of the band on the back. 962 00:48:32,442 --> 00:48:34,244 And also, if you take these cards... 963 00:48:34,244 --> 00:48:35,979 turn them face down, put them together... 964 00:48:35,979 --> 00:48:38,882 it's a jigsaw puzzle of a traffic jam on l-5. 965 00:48:38,882 --> 00:48:42,452 I say 966 00:48:42,452 --> 00:48:44,154 Fuck 967 00:48:44,154 --> 00:48:46,622 I say fuck and you say yeah 968 00:48:47,925 --> 00:48:50,861 I say fuck and you say yeah 969 00:48:50,861 --> 00:48:52,362 I say fuck and you say yeah 970 00:48:52,362 --> 00:48:53,864 I say fuck and you say yeah 971 00:48:53,864 --> 00:48:55,332 I say fuck 972 00:48:55,332 --> 00:48:56,566 Yeah 973 00:48:56,566 --> 00:48:58,568 I say let's and you say go 974 00:48:58,568 --> 00:49:01,805 I say let's and you say let's go, man 975 00:49:01,805 --> 00:49:03,307 I say let's and you say go, whoo 976 00:49:03,307 --> 00:49:04,608 I say let's and you say go, whoo 977 00:49:04,608 --> 00:49:05,809 I say let's 978 00:49:05,809 --> 00:49:06,935 Go 979 00:49:12,916 --> 00:49:14,418 Oh, yeah 980 00:49:14,418 --> 00:49:15,752 Today, I was in a music shop... 981 00:49:15,752 --> 00:49:17,521 and saw some people. It was like... 982 00:49:17,521 --> 00:49:19,556 "You moved from L.A. Probably yesterday." 983 00:49:19,556 --> 00:49:21,158 Like, I feel sorry for the up-and-coming bands. 984 00:49:21,158 --> 00:49:22,826 They can't even get gigs. 985 00:49:22,826 --> 00:49:24,995 It takes them a year sometimes to get a gig. 986 00:49:24,995 --> 00:49:27,464 We were together three weeks when we played a show. 987 00:49:27,464 --> 00:49:29,833 You see a ton of bands? 988 00:49:29,833 --> 00:49:32,336 The Trees weigh more than a ton. 989 00:49:32,336 --> 00:49:36,006 We're a ton of band. 990 00:49:36,006 --> 00:49:37,098 So, fuck 'em! 991 00:49:37,274 --> 00:49:39,343 We got bands all over this place here. 992 00:49:39,343 --> 00:49:43,180 We got a band in here... Inflatable Soul. 993 00:49:43,180 --> 00:49:46,445 Manotypical. Rap band in this room. 994 00:49:48,685 --> 00:49:50,854 Hear a Ione drummer practicing in here. 995 00:49:50,854 --> 00:49:52,321 Hip-hop beat. 996 00:49:56,193 --> 00:49:58,695 Industrial nonsense comes out of that flat. 997 00:49:58,695 --> 00:50:00,697 It's all hallways and doorways. 998 00:50:00,697 --> 00:50:04,668 Have bands in the rafters. 999 00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:06,770 Bands to the left. Bands to the right. 1000 00:50:06,770 --> 00:50:10,040 It'd be like being a kid and setting up a lemonade stand. 1001 00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:11,975 And having a really successful lemonade stand. 1002 00:50:11,975 --> 00:50:14,711 All of a sudden, ten of them open up right next to you. 1003 00:50:14,711 --> 00:50:17,514 In your yard, on your block... 1004 00:50:17,514 --> 00:50:21,284 all competing for the same lemonade nickel. 1005 00:50:21,284 --> 00:50:26,244 Only they're obviously selling lower quality lemonade. 1006 00:50:35,499 --> 00:50:40,070 Right now, Seattle is quarter until 6:00... 1007 00:50:40,070 --> 00:50:42,506 on Christmas Eve in a shopping mall... 1008 00:50:42,506 --> 00:50:44,574 and the mall closes at 6:00. 1009 00:50:44,574 --> 00:50:46,276 When it's too crazy... 1010 00:50:46,276 --> 00:50:50,914 and it's loaded with sub-moronic idiots... 1011 00:50:50,914 --> 00:50:52,482 prancing around... 1012 00:50:52,482 --> 00:50:54,473 buying anything they can get their hands on. 1013 00:51:05,462 --> 00:51:06,930 By universal acclaim... 1014 00:51:06,930 --> 00:51:09,199 the nation's media have declared Seattle... 1015 00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:12,002 the coolest place in the known universe. 1016 00:51:12,002 --> 00:51:15,906 The music of Seattle is as progressive as the people. 1017 00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:18,742 Listen to Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana. 1018 00:51:18,742 --> 00:51:21,645 Where else can you get the Seattle sound? Best Buy. 1019 00:51:21,645 --> 00:51:23,113 Once there was this grunge singer... 1020 00:51:23,113 --> 00:51:24,981 who did all the things grunge singers would do. 1021 00:51:24,981 --> 00:51:26,616 You get on a carpet 1022 00:51:26,616 --> 00:51:28,118 Couldn't help it 1023 00:51:28,118 --> 00:51:29,719 I'm drinking from the toilet 1024 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:31,455 It's just a habit 1025 00:51:31,455 --> 00:51:33,223 I swear that smell you smell 1026 00:51:33,223 --> 00:51:36,193 Is not from me 1027 00:51:36,193 --> 00:51:38,562 It's loud music with heavy vocals. 1028 00:51:38,562 --> 00:51:40,197 Is it mutant rock 'n' roll? 1029 00:51:40,197 --> 00:51:42,256 Have we ever used chainsaws and axes? 1030 00:51:43,500 --> 00:51:45,135 Are they contributing anything to the world... 1031 00:51:45,135 --> 00:51:46,602 they're taking so much from? 1032 00:51:48,605 --> 00:51:50,707 Mudhoney's sort of watching the market right now. 1033 00:51:50,707 --> 00:51:53,767 In October 1993... 1034 00:51:57,347 --> 00:51:58,949 Jeremy? 1035 00:51:58,949 --> 00:52:00,576 Who is Pearl Jam? Pop music for 400. 1036 00:52:02,752 --> 00:52:05,288 Does this look like we're unhappy or cynical? 1037 00:52:05,288 --> 00:52:08,792 OK, our next guests are a Seattle band. 1038 00:52:08,792 --> 00:52:10,660 This right here is their newest album. 1039 00:52:10,660 --> 00:52:11,661 Playin' the Posies. 1040 00:52:11,661 --> 00:52:12,662 "Weird Al" Yankovic. 1041 00:52:12,662 --> 00:52:14,030 Pearl Jam! 1042 00:52:14,030 --> 00:52:15,132 Hey, Butt-head, where's Seattle? 1043 00:52:15,132 --> 00:52:16,566 - Seattle... - Seattle... 1044 00:52:16,566 --> 00:52:18,830 Seattle? Thanks, phone dude. 1045 00:52:20,604 --> 00:52:22,472 I think now's the time that I should be announcing... 1046 00:52:22,472 --> 00:52:24,441 my candidacy for mayor of Seattle. 1047 00:52:24,441 --> 00:52:28,111 The whole thing was just out of control... 1048 00:52:28,111 --> 00:52:30,280 and press people were visiting our office... 1049 00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:33,183 at the rate of two or three a week. 1050 00:52:33,183 --> 00:52:35,352 It seemed like very few of them had... 1051 00:52:35,352 --> 00:52:38,488 even the most remote clue... 1052 00:52:38,488 --> 00:52:40,457 of what was really going on in Seattle. 1053 00:52:40,457 --> 00:52:43,059 Glossy print ad with a fancy red car... 1054 00:52:43,059 --> 00:52:44,794 in the background... 1055 00:52:44,794 --> 00:52:47,297 and they're saying something about grunge. 1056 00:52:47,297 --> 00:52:49,866 You think people are gonna go out and buy this car? 1057 00:52:49,866 --> 00:52:51,668 They're gonna look at this ad and go, "Fuck you." 1058 00:52:51,668 --> 00:52:53,670 When you're close to something... 1059 00:52:53,670 --> 00:52:55,672 you feel you know the truth about it. 1060 00:52:55,672 --> 00:52:58,542 And when people magazine is writing about it... 1061 00:52:58,542 --> 00:53:00,043 you know that they're not gonna have the truth. 1062 00:53:00,043 --> 00:53:02,045 They have a very distorted view of it. 1063 00:53:02,045 --> 00:53:04,714 And you realize that that's what the entire world sees... 1064 00:53:04,714 --> 00:53:07,017 and that's what the entire world thinks about. 1065 00:53:07,017 --> 00:53:08,109 And they're wrong. 1066 00:53:22,933 --> 00:53:26,903 This is a photo of Seaweed being interviewed by MTV. 1067 00:53:26,903 --> 00:53:29,506 A band that at the time really weren't doing anything... 1068 00:53:29,506 --> 00:53:33,877 and here's MTV with camera crews in their face. 1069 00:53:33,877 --> 00:53:35,278 And you know, they laughed about it. 1070 00:53:35,278 --> 00:53:36,746 They thought it was ridiculous. 1071 00:53:36,746 --> 00:53:38,582 And everyone thought it was a bit ridiculous. 1072 00:53:38,582 --> 00:53:39,916 Maybe there's, like, a bunch of photographers... 1073 00:53:39,916 --> 00:53:41,551 and they want to put you with this other person... 1074 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:43,053 from another band that you don't even know... 1075 00:53:43,053 --> 00:53:45,255 and they want you to put your arm around them and smile. 1076 00:53:45,255 --> 00:53:48,258 And they want to talk about all this mundane crap... 1077 00:53:48,258 --> 00:53:50,093 and then that's when I start to feel cynical. 1078 00:53:50,093 --> 00:53:51,461 "You play in a band, don't you?" 1079 00:53:51,461 --> 00:53:53,330 "Yeah. Yeah, I play in a band." 1080 00:53:53,330 --> 00:53:54,798 "Pearl Jam, right?" "No." 1081 00:53:54,798 --> 00:53:56,266 "Aren't you the drummer from Pearl Jam?" 1082 00:53:56,266 --> 00:53:58,935 "No. I'm not the drummer from Pearl Jam." 1083 00:53:58,935 --> 00:54:01,037 "Alice in Chains?" "No. No." 1084 00:54:01,037 --> 00:54:03,473 "Well, what's the name of the band you play in?" 1085 00:54:03,473 --> 00:54:04,674 "Soundgarden." 1086 00:54:04,674 --> 00:54:06,610 Then you get the shrug, like... 1087 00:54:06,610 --> 00:54:08,245 They didn't say anything about the music. 1088 00:54:08,245 --> 00:54:09,980 They talked about what we wore... 1089 00:54:09,980 --> 00:54:11,781 and whether or not the girl in the band before... 1090 00:54:11,781 --> 00:54:13,350 shaved her armpits or not. 1091 00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:14,851 The newest thing I heard... 1092 00:54:14,851 --> 00:54:18,722 was that we're really bad at interviews. 1093 00:54:18,722 --> 00:54:20,747 Where could they possibly get that? 1094 00:54:20,924 --> 00:54:24,894 Just to wake up tells me, hell, I must be brave 1095 00:54:24,894 --> 00:54:28,465 It hits me like a drug shot into my vein 1096 00:54:28,465 --> 00:54:32,402 But it's not as delightful, delightful of a pain 1097 00:54:32,402 --> 00:54:34,237 Immobilizing me 1098 00:54:34,237 --> 00:54:36,239 Almost makes me think I'm dead 1099 00:54:36,239 --> 00:54:38,041 I need a second skin 1100 00:54:38,041 --> 00:54:39,876 Something to hold me tough 1101 00:54:39,876 --> 00:54:41,645 Can't do it on my own 1102 00:54:41,645 --> 00:54:43,913 Sometimes I need just a little more help 1103 00:54:43,913 --> 00:54:48,084 I want that chance to give every drop that's left in me 1104 00:54:48,084 --> 00:54:49,252 I need a second skin 1105 00:54:49,252 --> 00:54:51,584 Something I cannot break free of 1106 00:55:06,670 --> 00:55:10,674 Well, I just tell myself, girl, just let it breathe 1107 00:55:10,674 --> 00:55:14,744 It's a calmness I'm always searching for 1108 00:55:14,744 --> 00:55:16,513 But the dirt, it gets so heavy 1109 00:55:16,513 --> 00:55:18,348 It falls above my head 1110 00:55:18,348 --> 00:55:20,216 Seeping from under my feet 1111 00:55:20,216 --> 00:55:22,085 It just keeps on getting deeper 1112 00:55:22,085 --> 00:55:23,620 I need a second skin 1113 00:55:23,620 --> 00:55:25,855 Something to hold me tough 1114 00:55:25,855 --> 00:55:27,524 Can't do it on my own 1115 00:55:27,524 --> 00:55:29,626 Sometimes I need just a little more help 1116 00:55:29,626 --> 00:55:33,263 I've got that chance to give every drop that's left in me 1117 00:55:33,263 --> 00:55:35,031 I need a second skin 1118 00:55:35,031 --> 00:55:38,868 Something I cannot break free of 1119 00:55:38,868 --> 00:55:42,405 You just didn't want to answer any more stupid questions. 1120 00:55:42,405 --> 00:55:44,507 They were all the same. What's Seattle like? 1121 00:55:44,507 --> 00:55:46,409 What are the bands like? Do you know this band? 1122 00:55:46,409 --> 00:55:48,645 Do you know that band? Everyone had it. 1123 00:55:48,645 --> 00:55:50,547 We put a moratorium at one point... 1124 00:55:50,547 --> 00:55:53,917 on people calling and asking for the "Seattle story." 1125 00:55:53,917 --> 00:55:55,318 There was nothing to do... 1126 00:55:55,318 --> 00:55:58,154 except just start poking fun at the entire thing. 1127 00:55:58,154 --> 00:56:00,056 And so, instead of saying... 1128 00:56:00,056 --> 00:56:01,725 "No, I really don't know that person"... 1129 00:56:01,725 --> 00:56:05,095 it would turn into, "Oh, sure, every Monday morning... 1130 00:56:05,095 --> 00:56:07,397 "we eat banana splits at breakfast time." 1131 00:56:07,397 --> 00:56:09,165 "Shooby-doo used to be my roommate." 1132 00:56:09,165 --> 00:56:10,734 Or, you know, "I'll tell you... 1133 00:56:10,734 --> 00:56:13,136 "he has a horrible case of the squirts... 1134 00:56:13,136 --> 00:56:15,238 "after he has indian food." 1135 00:56:15,238 --> 00:56:19,409 And you just start making up every single lie you can... 1136 00:56:19,409 --> 00:56:21,878 and then try to... the goal is to just get... 1137 00:56:21,878 --> 00:56:24,013 crazy rumors circulating all the time. 1138 00:56:24,013 --> 00:56:27,650 There's a big element of put-on involved with all Seattle music. 1139 00:56:27,650 --> 00:56:31,421 I mean, Kurt Cobain's goofy name-spellings... 1140 00:56:31,421 --> 00:56:34,424 a lot of Sub Pop's world domination kind of attitude. 1141 00:56:34,424 --> 00:56:35,992 I mean, the whole thing's ridiculous. 1142 00:56:35,992 --> 00:56:40,029 75% of what Bruce and John say is a lie. 1143 00:56:40,029 --> 00:56:42,365 But it's served them well. 1144 00:56:42,365 --> 00:56:44,367 It's essentially been one big prank. 1145 00:56:44,367 --> 00:56:46,503 We've always pretended we were something we weren't. 1146 00:56:46,503 --> 00:56:48,204 Now that we're huge and have a lot of money... 1147 00:56:48,204 --> 00:56:49,939 we're trying to pretend that we're small and indie... 1148 00:56:49,939 --> 00:56:50,974 and have street cred. 1149 00:56:50,974 --> 00:56:54,110 That's one of the great things about a lot of the bands here. 1150 00:56:54,110 --> 00:56:56,840 You know, great humor. You know? 1151 00:56:58,615 --> 00:57:01,518 So, I'm obviously not from here. 1152 00:57:01,518 --> 00:57:05,155 One of my favorite hoaxes was the lexicon of grunge. 1153 00:57:05,155 --> 00:57:07,290 The "New York Times" called Sub Pop records... 1154 00:57:07,290 --> 00:57:11,795 and talked to a woman there who just started making up words. 1155 00:57:11,795 --> 00:57:13,229 They were trying to find out... 1156 00:57:13,229 --> 00:57:16,499 what the inside secret dope was, what was the hip language. 1157 00:57:16,499 --> 00:57:18,868 And I was, like, "Why don't you just give me a word... 1158 00:57:18,868 --> 00:57:22,138 "and I'll give you the grunge slang for it." 1159 00:57:22,138 --> 00:57:23,973 She just started making stuff up. 1160 00:57:23,973 --> 00:57:25,375 A lot of it was the kind of stuff... 1161 00:57:25,375 --> 00:57:27,076 that she used for herself just for laughs. 1162 00:57:27,076 --> 00:57:28,211 And next thing you know... 1163 00:57:28,211 --> 00:57:29,746 it's on the cover of the "New York Times." 1164 00:57:29,746 --> 00:57:31,648 And everybody around here is just giggling and snortin'. 1165 00:57:31,648 --> 00:57:34,317 If they're lame enough to try to scrutinize... 1166 00:57:34,317 --> 00:57:39,186 this totally stupid thing, why not fuck with them? 1167 00:57:48,498 --> 00:57:51,134 I try to speak my mind 1168 00:57:51,134 --> 00:57:53,002 Why'd you leave me 1169 00:57:53,002 --> 00:57:55,738 I could've taken you so far 1170 00:57:55,738 --> 00:57:57,507 Walked out the way 1171 00:57:57,507 --> 00:58:00,477 Been across this fuckin' world 1172 00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:01,544 To find my Brewster 1173 00:58:01,544 --> 00:58:04,214 Put my love into the rig 1174 00:58:04,214 --> 00:58:07,150 So I could forget her 1175 00:58:07,150 --> 00:58:09,452 Hello 1176 00:58:09,452 --> 00:58:11,688 It's me again, baby 1177 00:58:11,688 --> 00:58:13,679 Hello, Houston 1178 00:58:13,857 --> 00:58:18,862 As you can see, I am basically... 1179 00:58:18,862 --> 00:58:20,864 a trend-setter in the fashion scene. 1180 00:58:20,864 --> 00:58:22,765 And "Rolling Stone" called... 1181 00:58:22,765 --> 00:58:25,034 and they were doing a fashion spread... 1182 00:58:25,034 --> 00:58:27,370 on what the indies are wearing. 1183 00:58:27,370 --> 00:58:29,172 I had to tell them that I didn't think... 1184 00:58:29,172 --> 00:58:30,607 they'd be interested in me... 1185 00:58:30,607 --> 00:58:32,442 but that we had a fella here, Scott McCaughey... 1186 00:58:32,442 --> 00:58:33,743 from the Young Fresh Fellows... 1187 00:58:33,743 --> 00:58:35,812 who probably was just what they were looking for. 1188 00:58:35,812 --> 00:58:39,315 So, they came, and they interviewed Scott briefly. 1189 00:58:39,315 --> 00:58:41,718 And then they got out this pile of clothes... 1190 00:58:41,718 --> 00:58:43,887 and made him, like, take off his Converse... 1191 00:58:43,887 --> 00:58:45,889 and put on their tennis shoes. 1192 00:58:45,889 --> 00:58:49,893 And take off his flannel shirt, wear their flannel shirt... 1193 00:58:49,893 --> 00:58:52,896 and then put, you know, in the caption below... 1194 00:58:52,896 --> 00:58:54,591 "Flannel shirt, $85." 1195 00:59:08,077 --> 00:59:10,480 Who didn't get a flannel shirt... 1196 00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:12,782 for Christmas from their relatives? 1197 00:59:12,782 --> 00:59:14,751 And you tie it around your waist... 1198 00:59:14,751 --> 00:59:16,753 and you run off and do a stage dive. 1199 00:59:16,753 --> 00:59:18,087 All across America. 1200 00:59:18,087 --> 00:59:21,257 But up here, because it's logger territory... 1201 00:59:21,257 --> 00:59:24,794 all these goonballs just wear flannel anyways... 1202 00:59:24,794 --> 00:59:27,024 and then that's what became the stereotype here. 1203 00:59:29,866 --> 00:59:32,468 You go around, you know, to cities everywhere... 1204 00:59:32,468 --> 00:59:33,903 and you see some real... 1205 00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:35,939 stereotypical grungies, you know... 1206 00:59:35,939 --> 00:59:37,440 with the Pearl Jam shirt... 1207 00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:39,542 and, you know, with the stocking cap... 1208 00:59:39,542 --> 00:59:43,379 and, you know, the really neat long johns with the shorts... 1209 00:59:43,379 --> 00:59:45,108 and you just say, "I spit on you!" 1210 01:00:01,130 --> 01:00:02,565 Mannequins in stores... 1211 01:00:02,565 --> 01:00:05,868 with, like, long johns and shorts for, like, $300. 1212 01:00:05,868 --> 01:00:08,871 - It's like we dress... - We got 'em fooled. 1213 01:00:08,871 --> 01:00:11,240 We wear long johns up here because it's fucking cold. 1214 01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:15,678 When Seventh Avenue decided that grungewear... 1215 01:00:15,678 --> 01:00:17,981 was something they'd put on the runways... 1216 01:00:17,981 --> 01:00:21,484 and that they thought it would be an absolute knock-over... 1217 01:00:21,484 --> 01:00:23,219 yes, that any of my clients... 1218 01:00:23,219 --> 01:00:26,155 would be in their fashion shows and be in their fashion layouts. 1219 01:00:26,155 --> 01:00:28,691 And when "Vanity Fair" did a spread... 1220 01:00:28,691 --> 01:00:32,328 with people like Joan Rivers wearing grungewear... 1221 01:00:32,328 --> 01:00:35,999 that was the only moment for me, so far... 1222 01:00:35,999 --> 01:00:38,601 that came close to unbearable. 1223 01:00:38,601 --> 01:00:40,036 It was our thing. Then, all of a sudden... 1224 01:00:40,036 --> 01:00:44,707 it belonged to people who you never thought... 1225 01:00:44,707 --> 01:00:46,242 you were sharing your music with. 1226 01:00:46,242 --> 01:00:49,846 Mainstream periodicals and fashion magazines. 1227 01:00:49,846 --> 01:00:51,147 And you start realizing... 1228 01:00:51,147 --> 01:00:52,915 there's a whole lot of people out there... 1229 01:00:52,915 --> 01:00:56,019 making money by selling the idea... 1230 01:00:56,019 --> 01:00:58,021 of this Seattle scene or grunge or whatever. 1231 01:00:58,021 --> 01:01:00,690 It's so profitable. It's so profitable. 1232 01:01:00,690 --> 01:01:03,693 And they'll just keep taking and taking and taking... 1233 01:01:03,693 --> 01:01:07,363 and they just don't know how to restrain themselves. 1234 01:01:07,363 --> 01:01:10,867 You know, they're frothing at the mouth over this. 1235 01:01:10,867 --> 01:01:12,235 And the bands aren't. 1236 01:01:12,235 --> 01:01:14,537 I mean, the bands aren't really in it for dough. 1237 01:01:14,537 --> 01:01:17,206 I mean, they just aren't. That would... if they were... 1238 01:01:17,206 --> 01:01:19,976 that would tip over the music. 1239 01:01:19,976 --> 01:01:22,011 Like, already it's obvious that you see... 1240 01:01:22,011 --> 01:01:25,581 the Seattle scene has become a marketed commodity. 1241 01:01:25,581 --> 01:01:28,217 But that's what makes pop culture... 1242 01:01:28,217 --> 01:01:30,353 so significant to... 1243 01:01:30,353 --> 01:01:33,049 all the little consumers out there. 1244 01:01:33,256 --> 01:01:35,224 They have no interest in history or economics... 1245 01:01:35,224 --> 01:01:36,759 or science or art. 1246 01:01:36,759 --> 01:01:39,562 They're kind of interested more in gossip... 1247 01:01:39,562 --> 01:01:41,130 the nature of celebrity... 1248 01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:47,770 and that's not at all encouraging to find out that... 1249 01:01:47,770 --> 01:01:51,074 you participate in that society. 1250 01:01:51,074 --> 01:01:53,076 One way or the other. 1251 01:01:53,076 --> 01:01:57,747 I wonder why I do the things I do 1252 01:01:57,747 --> 01:02:02,418 One plus one has always meant more than two 1253 01:02:02,418 --> 01:02:06,856 Happy, and then content 1254 01:02:06,856 --> 01:02:10,626 Change the channel and now I'm bent 1255 01:02:10,626 --> 01:02:13,563 On leaving you 1256 01:02:13,563 --> 01:02:14,864 Yeah 1257 01:02:14,864 --> 01:02:19,902 On leaving you 1258 01:02:19,902 --> 01:02:22,105 On leaving you, you 1259 01:02:22,105 --> 01:02:23,706 Yeah 1260 01:02:23,706 --> 01:02:27,577 On leaving you, you, yeah 1261 01:02:27,577 --> 01:02:28,976 Yeah yeah yeah 1262 01:03:09,819 --> 01:03:11,154 The bands get all big... 1263 01:03:11,154 --> 01:03:13,656 and then everybody starts to like 'em. 1264 01:03:13,656 --> 01:03:16,859 And then they just become so overplayed... 1265 01:03:16,859 --> 01:03:18,995 and kind of sold-out, and I just... 1266 01:03:18,995 --> 01:03:20,363 I get out of them. 1267 01:03:20,363 --> 01:03:23,199 - That really pisses me off. - Why? 1268 01:03:23,199 --> 01:03:24,934 Well, I liked them first. 1269 01:03:24,934 --> 01:03:26,769 When you hear a song that's a great song... 1270 01:03:26,769 --> 01:03:29,465 played a million times, you never want to hear it again. 1271 01:03:32,175 --> 01:03:34,343 If I hear that song one more time... 1272 01:03:34,343 --> 01:03:36,612 if I see that guy's face one more time... 1273 01:03:36,612 --> 01:03:38,548 I'm gonna fuckin' find out his address... 1274 01:03:38,548 --> 01:03:40,140 and kill that motherfucker. 1275 01:03:42,118 --> 01:03:44,954 I don't blame them. I've said it myself. 1276 01:03:44,954 --> 01:03:48,024 There definitely is the idea that success is bad... 1277 01:03:48,024 --> 01:03:49,559 and that's part of the rebellion. 1278 01:03:49,559 --> 01:03:52,895 That's part of the rebellion against the eighties... 1279 01:03:52,895 --> 01:03:56,365 you know, our peers, and our parents. 1280 01:03:56,365 --> 01:03:59,535 That we didn't really want to become successful... 1281 01:03:59,535 --> 01:04:03,072 because with that comes the trappings of responsibility. 1282 01:04:03,072 --> 01:04:04,874 It seemed for a while that, like, celebrity... 1283 01:04:04,874 --> 01:04:06,876 was not really what you wanted once you got it. 1284 01:04:06,876 --> 01:04:08,611 And yet you look at any of these people... 1285 01:04:08,611 --> 01:04:10,780 that are now complaining about being too much... 1286 01:04:10,780 --> 01:04:12,048 in the spotlight... 1287 01:04:12,048 --> 01:04:15,051 or always, you know, scrutinized by everyone. 1288 01:04:15,051 --> 01:04:17,053 What did you expect? 1289 01:04:17,053 --> 01:04:19,722 I think a lot of people whine about it... 1290 01:04:19,722 --> 01:04:23,559 but secretly they kind of are excited about it, too. 1291 01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,896 I don't think that people ever can imagine... 1292 01:04:26,896 --> 01:04:29,232 what is gonna go along with being popular. 1293 01:04:29,232 --> 01:04:31,334 I don't think... no matter what somebody tells you... 1294 01:04:31,334 --> 01:04:32,902 it's gonna be like... 1295 01:04:32,902 --> 01:04:36,239 I think it's a lot different once you get there. 1296 01:04:36,239 --> 01:04:38,969 I think so, too. Maybe we should try to find out. 1297 01:04:40,509 --> 01:04:44,413 Painted blue across my eyes 1298 01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:47,683 And tie the linen on 1299 01:04:47,683 --> 01:04:51,414 And I'm on my way 1300 01:04:55,491 --> 01:04:59,028 Looking for the paradigm 1301 01:04:59,028 --> 01:05:02,098 So I can pass it off 1302 01:05:02,098 --> 01:05:07,400 Is it on my side? 1303 01:05:09,605 --> 01:05:13,939 Is it to the sky? 1304 01:05:17,013 --> 01:05:24,715 Is it to the sky? 1305 01:05:30,793 --> 01:05:31,919 Shadow 1306 01:05:44,607 --> 01:05:47,543 Painted blue across my eyes 1307 01:05:47,543 --> 01:05:50,413 And tie the linen on 1308 01:05:50,413 --> 01:05:54,483 And I'm on my way 1309 01:05:54,483 --> 01:05:57,887 On my way 1310 01:05:57,887 --> 01:06:00,489 Looking for the paradigm 1311 01:06:00,489 --> 01:06:03,492 So I can pass it off 1312 01:06:03,492 --> 01:06:07,163 Is it on my side? 1313 01:06:07,163 --> 01:06:10,066 On my side 1314 01:06:10,066 --> 01:06:13,836 Is it to the sky? 1315 01:06:13,836 --> 01:06:16,505 To the sky 1316 01:06:16,505 --> 01:06:19,842 Looking to the sky 1317 01:06:19,842 --> 01:06:23,045 And down 1318 01:06:23,045 --> 01:06:29,251 Searching for a ground 1319 01:06:29,251 --> 01:06:33,522 With my good eye closed 1320 01:06:33,522 --> 01:06:35,091 I kind of figured you play guitar... 1321 01:06:35,091 --> 01:06:40,296 or drums, whatever, sing, make a record, play a show. 1322 01:06:40,296 --> 01:06:42,865 If people like your record, they like your show. 1323 01:06:42,865 --> 01:06:44,533 I couldn't really anticipate it becoming... 1324 01:06:44,533 --> 01:06:48,471 interviews and videos and photo sessions. 1325 01:06:48,471 --> 01:06:50,039 Sort of in the forefront of our minds... 1326 01:06:50,039 --> 01:06:52,908 we knew that these were things that went along with the job. 1327 01:06:52,908 --> 01:06:55,778 But you never really can anticipate it... 1328 01:06:55,778 --> 01:06:56,879 until you're there. 1329 01:06:56,879 --> 01:07:01,250 It's like, fuck, I can do without the fame stuff... 1330 01:07:01,250 --> 01:07:04,708 and just, you know, give me the money. 1331 01:07:58,808 --> 01:08:02,478 Is it to the sky? 1332 01:08:02,478 --> 01:08:05,448 To the sky 1333 01:08:05,448 --> 01:08:08,617 To the sky 1334 01:08:08,617 --> 01:08:11,882 To the sky 1335 01:08:23,966 --> 01:08:25,433 Oh 1336 01:08:30,139 --> 01:08:31,607 You have a favorite band, right? 1337 01:08:31,607 --> 01:08:33,609 And you think, why isn't this band enormous? 1338 01:08:33,609 --> 01:08:34,977 You know, the world is just not a very... 1339 01:08:34,977 --> 01:08:36,979 you know, it's just an unjust place. 1340 01:08:36,979 --> 01:08:39,048 And then you have a band that you know is amazing... 1341 01:08:39,048 --> 01:08:40,950 and, suddenly, everybody else in the world... 1342 01:08:40,950 --> 01:08:43,986 knows that they're amazing and wants to get at them... 1343 01:08:43,986 --> 01:08:45,754 and write about them and, you know... 1344 01:08:45,754 --> 01:08:48,958 you start wondering if success is really a good thing... 1345 01:08:48,958 --> 01:08:51,327 because it sort of makes people psycho. 1346 01:08:51,327 --> 01:08:53,229 It's nothing to strive for. 1347 01:08:53,229 --> 01:08:55,831 It's actually like... this kind of success... 1348 01:08:55,831 --> 01:08:58,367 or trying to fulfill this kind of hype. 1349 01:08:58,367 --> 01:08:59,935 It can destroy everything. 1350 01:08:59,935 --> 01:09:02,838 It can destroy what's real, which is, like, music to you. 1351 01:09:02,838 --> 01:09:05,808 Or what's real, which is your life. 1352 01:09:05,808 --> 01:09:08,043 You know? It can destroy it. 1353 01:09:08,043 --> 01:09:13,949 You know, it can make it, uh, a commodity. 1354 01:09:13,949 --> 01:09:15,951 At whose cost? 1355 01:09:15,951 --> 01:09:17,253 At yours. 1356 01:09:17,253 --> 01:09:20,882 At your life and, you know, your music. 1357 01:09:23,392 --> 01:09:25,053 They'II, you know... 1358 01:09:27,796 --> 01:09:30,065 take it all away from you. 1359 01:09:30,065 --> 01:09:32,067 And you're supposed to be happy about it... 1360 01:09:32,067 --> 01:09:34,501 because you're successful. 1361 01:09:39,508 --> 01:09:42,211 Now, you kissed me once, and you kissed me twice 1362 01:09:42,211 --> 01:09:45,080 With your messed up slobbering lips 1363 01:09:45,080 --> 01:09:46,582 With dribble in my brow 1364 01:09:46,582 --> 01:09:48,017 I wait until you turned 1365 01:09:48,017 --> 01:09:50,451 And I wiped it on my pant leg 1366 01:09:55,958 --> 01:09:59,028 Oh, now I'll sign this paper for everyone to see 1367 01:09:59,028 --> 01:10:01,597 Now I'm up here singin' for everyone to hear 1368 01:10:01,597 --> 01:10:04,867 Now I'll sign this paper for everyone to see 1369 01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,336 Now I'm up here singin' for everyone to hear 1370 01:10:07,336 --> 01:10:09,305 You 1371 01:10:09,305 --> 01:10:12,041 Especially you 1372 01:10:12,041 --> 01:10:13,943 It's all for you 1373 01:10:13,943 --> 01:10:16,810 It's because of you 1374 01:10:18,714 --> 01:10:21,945 My lungs are filled with smoke 1375 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:29,458 Eyes light and hazy from too many tears 1376 01:10:29,458 --> 01:10:34,563 Red and glossy from too many beers 1377 01:10:34,563 --> 01:10:39,702 And my stomach shapes into one big knot 1378 01:10:39,702 --> 01:10:45,004 My stomach shapes into one big knot 1379 01:10:45,107 --> 01:10:46,442 When you're in a band... 1380 01:10:46,442 --> 01:10:47,710 and it progresses from being in the basement... 1381 01:10:47,710 --> 01:10:48,978 and learning how to play... 1382 01:10:48,978 --> 01:10:50,846 and then you go on to more and more steps... 1383 01:10:50,846 --> 01:10:52,514 and that's a natural progression of a band. 1384 01:10:52,514 --> 01:10:53,816 And you can see that. 1385 01:10:53,816 --> 01:10:55,751 That's a good thing. It's all fine. 1386 01:10:55,751 --> 01:10:57,319 But then, you get to this point where... 1387 01:10:57,319 --> 01:10:58,621 you're looking backwards and you're, like... 1388 01:10:58,621 --> 01:11:00,322 "Well, maybe it was better back then." 1389 01:11:00,322 --> 01:11:04,260 Well, imagine you're a band. You're making music for fun... 1390 01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:05,961 because you like writing your own songs... 1391 01:11:05,961 --> 01:11:07,930 You like playing your own songs. 1392 01:11:07,930 --> 01:11:09,398 You like playing to your friends... 1393 01:11:09,398 --> 01:11:11,934 and having them clap and, you know, having a good time... 1394 01:11:11,934 --> 01:11:13,636 and getting up and jumping around a stage... 1395 01:11:13,636 --> 01:11:14,837 and, you know, crashing into people. 1396 01:11:14,837 --> 01:11:18,240 And suddenly, every publication... 1397 01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:21,443 and all the media in the world wants to get at you. 1398 01:11:21,443 --> 01:11:23,545 Suddenly, people everywhere you go recognize you. 1399 01:11:23,545 --> 01:11:25,147 They want your autograph. 1400 01:11:25,147 --> 01:11:29,118 Suddenly, your life as a private individual is over with. 1401 01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:32,955 And that's probably a pretty heavy thing to deal with. 1402 01:11:32,955 --> 01:11:35,124 What it looks like is, wow, if you want to be... 1403 01:11:35,124 --> 01:11:37,059 really successful, do heroin. 1404 01:11:37,059 --> 01:11:39,628 But, what I see is, I saw people... 1405 01:11:39,628 --> 01:11:41,363 who were making really good music... 1406 01:11:41,363 --> 01:11:44,433 suddenly have, like, this overwhelming need for money. 1407 01:11:44,433 --> 01:11:46,502 It's just fucking heartbreaking... 1408 01:11:46,502 --> 01:11:54,576 to see how disillusioned people get, to where they... 1409 01:11:54,576 --> 01:11:59,648 that escape is so sought after. 1410 01:11:59,648 --> 01:12:02,751 I think the first hint of it was when Andy Wood died. 1411 01:12:02,751 --> 01:12:04,687 When you started thinking, this is really sad... 1412 01:12:04,687 --> 01:12:06,855 because this guy had a great future in front of him. 1413 01:12:06,855 --> 01:12:09,825 He was a really wonderful guy. Funniest guy. The only... 1414 01:12:09,825 --> 01:12:15,030 the only rock 'n' roll stand-up comic in Seattle was Andy Wood. 1415 01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:17,633 And we thought... 1416 01:12:17,633 --> 01:12:20,002 man, you know, they haven't even become stars yet... 1417 01:12:20,002 --> 01:12:21,629 and already he's a casualty. 1418 01:12:22,905 --> 01:12:26,308 There's Kurt on New Year's Day, '93. 1419 01:12:26,308 --> 01:12:30,379 This was the shoot for the cover of the "Advocate." 1420 01:12:30,379 --> 01:12:32,514 And I really liked this photo of Kurt. 1421 01:12:32,514 --> 01:12:36,352 We were just talking and I was just picking the camera up... 1422 01:12:36,352 --> 01:12:39,288 occasionally and... and photographing him. 1423 01:12:39,288 --> 01:12:42,858 It's rare to see a picture where he's emoting... 1424 01:12:42,858 --> 01:12:45,127 or doing something with his hands... 1425 01:12:45,127 --> 01:12:46,695 other than in his pocket. 1426 01:12:46,695 --> 01:12:48,822 And I really like this one. 1427 01:13:08,517 --> 01:13:10,285 The river rise... 1428 01:13:10,285 --> 01:13:12,287 Symbolically, perhaps, it represented... 1429 01:13:12,287 --> 01:13:13,622 the death of something. 1430 01:13:13,622 --> 01:13:15,657 I mean, I know when... 1431 01:13:15,657 --> 01:13:17,760 I was... it affected me in such a way... 1432 01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:19,895 that I was seriously tempted to give up everything... 1433 01:13:19,895 --> 01:13:21,563 and go be a farmer or something. 1434 01:13:21,563 --> 01:13:26,435 It was just so disillusioning to me. 1435 01:13:26,435 --> 01:13:30,105 It was hard. I didn't take it well. 1436 01:13:30,105 --> 01:13:39,415 'Cause I could fall like a tear 1437 01:13:39,415 --> 01:13:42,907 Nothing else I can do 1438 01:13:45,788 --> 01:13:51,093 But I'm not alone 1439 01:13:51,093 --> 01:13:56,498 Nothing's beside me 1440 01:13:56,498 --> 01:14:01,570 All I see is 1441 01:14:01,570 --> 01:14:06,875 The others blinded 1442 01:14:06,875 --> 01:14:11,747 But I could fall 1443 01:14:11,747 --> 01:14:16,819 As if I was young 1444 01:14:16,819 --> 01:14:20,585 Ooh, with a lifetime to think of you 1445 01:14:27,596 --> 01:14:31,667 If all this influence that this part of the country has... 1446 01:14:31,667 --> 01:14:33,101 in this musical scene has... 1447 01:14:33,101 --> 01:14:35,537 if it doesn't do anything with it... 1448 01:14:35,537 --> 01:14:37,039 that would be the tragedy. 1449 01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:39,341 If it doesn't do something with it... 1450 01:14:39,341 --> 01:14:40,676 like make some kind of change... 1451 01:14:40,676 --> 01:14:42,678 or make some kind of difference... 1452 01:14:42,678 --> 01:14:44,813 this group of people who feels this certain way... 1453 01:14:44,813 --> 01:14:47,850 this group of people who, like, thinks these things... 1454 01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:51,320 that the underdogs we've all met and lived with think... 1455 01:14:51,320 --> 01:14:53,255 if they finally get to the forefront... 1456 01:14:53,255 --> 01:14:57,817 and nothing comes of it, that would be the tragedy. 1457 01:15:28,156 --> 01:15:31,960 Restless soul 1458 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:33,985 Enjoy your youth 1459 01:15:35,931 --> 01:15:40,135 Like Muhammad 1460 01:15:40,135 --> 01:15:42,501 Hits the truth 1461 01:15:44,006 --> 01:15:50,935 I can't escape from the common rule 1462 01:15:52,447 --> 01:15:56,251 If you hate something 1463 01:15:56,251 --> 01:15:58,151 Don't you do it, too? 1464 01:16:00,188 --> 01:16:03,859 This is not for you 1465 01:16:03,859 --> 01:16:08,130 This is not for you 1466 01:16:08,130 --> 01:16:11,567 This is not for you 1467 01:16:11,567 --> 01:16:15,737 Oh, never was for you 1468 01:16:15,737 --> 01:16:17,398 You 1469 01:16:19,474 --> 01:16:21,310 To actually be this close... 1470 01:16:21,310 --> 01:16:24,880 to a pop culture explosion has been really fascinating. 1471 01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:26,315 I mean, all of a sudden, you can understand... 1472 01:16:26,315 --> 01:16:28,750 what happened in San Francisco in '66 and '67. 1473 01:16:28,750 --> 01:16:30,085 You can understand what happened in England... 1474 01:16:30,085 --> 01:16:31,520 during the punk thing. 1475 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:33,488 And during the Mersey Beat era. 1476 01:16:33,488 --> 01:16:36,291 And the subsequent stuff that happened in London. 1477 01:16:36,291 --> 01:16:38,060 I mean, all of a sudden, you can see... 1478 01:16:38,060 --> 01:16:40,362 how ridiculous the whole goddamn thing is. 1479 01:16:40,362 --> 01:16:42,965 I mean, it's utterly absurd. I mean... 1480 01:16:42,965 --> 01:16:45,901 It's so funny that they call it "the Seattle scene"... 1481 01:16:45,901 --> 01:16:48,470 because it all grew out of the region. 1482 01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:51,773 Everybody doing what they loved because they love it. 1483 01:16:51,773 --> 01:16:53,475 And it doesn't matter if they're from Bellingham... 1484 01:16:53,475 --> 01:16:55,978 Portland, Olympia. 1485 01:16:55,978 --> 01:16:57,346 You had people who were in bands... 1486 01:16:57,346 --> 01:16:59,047 because they want to be in bands... 1487 01:16:59,047 --> 01:17:00,082 who started record labels... 1488 01:17:00,082 --> 01:17:02,017 because they liked their friends' bands... 1489 01:17:02,017 --> 01:17:03,752 and they wanted to put out a record. 1490 01:17:03,752 --> 01:17:05,520 Fanzines because no one was covering... 1491 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:07,489 the kind of music that they heard. 1492 01:17:07,489 --> 01:17:11,026 And all this was allowed to grow without any other force... 1493 01:17:11,026 --> 01:17:12,960 coming in and disturbing that. 1494 01:17:16,031 --> 01:17:20,068 All that's sacred 1495 01:17:20,068 --> 01:17:21,626 Comes from youth 1496 01:17:24,272 --> 01:17:28,076 Dedication 1497 01:17:28,076 --> 01:17:29,941 Naive and true 1498 01:17:32,481 --> 01:17:36,418 With no power 1499 01:17:36,418 --> 01:17:38,852 Nothing to do 1500 01:17:40,255 --> 01:17:44,526 I still remember 1501 01:17:44,526 --> 01:17:46,628 Why don't you? 1502 01:17:46,628 --> 01:17:47,796 Don't you? 1503 01:17:47,796 --> 01:17:49,923 This is not for you 1504 01:17:51,633 --> 01:17:54,500 This is not for you 1505 01:17:55,937 --> 01:17:58,303 This is not for you 1506 01:17:59,675 --> 01:18:02,678 Oh, never was for you 1507 01:18:02,678 --> 01:18:07,482 Fuck you, this is not for you 1508 01:18:07,482 --> 01:18:10,819 Oh, never was for you 1509 01:18:10,819 --> 01:18:13,481 Yeah 1510 01:18:15,090 --> 01:18:19,061 I didn't think I'd be making a living at doing this. 1511 01:18:19,061 --> 01:18:20,662 I mean, I had no idea that these bands... 1512 01:18:20,662 --> 01:18:23,995 were going to become so popular, so famous. 1513 01:18:24,633 --> 01:18:26,101 I would have taken a lot more photographs of them... 1514 01:18:26,101 --> 01:18:27,869 if I had known. 1515 01:18:27,869 --> 01:18:29,971 Our first U.S. Tour was a total failure, you know? 1516 01:18:29,971 --> 01:18:31,306 We didn't make more than 90 bucks... 1517 01:18:31,306 --> 01:18:32,841 at any show in the whole U.S. 1518 01:18:32,841 --> 01:18:34,943 It's like, they hated us everywhere we went. 1519 01:18:34,943 --> 01:18:36,378 But we're doing basically the same thing... 1520 01:18:36,378 --> 01:18:38,613 we were doing in '85, and now people like us. 1521 01:18:38,613 --> 01:18:39,681 I don't know why! 1522 01:18:39,681 --> 01:18:41,750 Let me put things in perspective for you. 1523 01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:43,051 Five years ago... 1524 01:18:43,051 --> 01:18:45,721 This is a sleepy little coastal fishing village. 1525 01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:48,957 Now, could we have the camera pan out to the skyline, here? 1526 01:18:48,957 --> 01:18:50,792 This kind of economic development... 1527 01:18:50,792 --> 01:18:53,161 is directly related to what John and I... 1528 01:18:53,161 --> 01:18:54,930 have done to promote Seattle. 1529 01:18:54,930 --> 01:18:57,866 That's what's become of the great punk rock party house... 1530 01:18:57,866 --> 01:18:59,334 of the mid-eighties. 1531 01:18:59,334 --> 01:19:00,869 It's so harsh. 1532 01:19:00,869 --> 01:19:02,137 It used to be this tiny little shack... 1533 01:19:02,137 --> 01:19:04,172 like, set way back in these terrible... 1534 01:19:04,172 --> 01:19:07,776 like, big weeds in the middle of these beautiful homes. 1535 01:19:07,776 --> 01:19:11,146 And now... Iook, it is a beautiful home. 1536 01:19:11,146 --> 01:19:13,415 I would love to, in about twenty years from now... 1537 01:19:13,415 --> 01:19:14,983 be playing in, like, some kind of, like... 1538 01:19:14,983 --> 01:19:19,087 super-Ioungey soul band with a horn section. 1539 01:19:19,087 --> 01:19:23,125 We'll probably all be playing in R&B bands in Pioneer Square. 1540 01:19:23,125 --> 01:19:27,596 Probably the same R&B band on Pioneer Square. 1541 01:19:27,596 --> 01:19:29,498 L'il sister, don't you... 1542 01:19:29,498 --> 01:19:32,400 Wow! What did I do right in a past life or whatever... 1543 01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:35,737 that I get to do this with my three really good friends? 1544 01:19:35,737 --> 01:19:38,440 I get to be in a band and make music with these people. 1545 01:19:38,440 --> 01:19:39,908 It's a really incredible experience. 1546 01:19:39,908 --> 01:19:42,410 We just play music when we can... 1547 01:19:42,410 --> 01:19:45,647 and do shows and record when we have songs. 1548 01:19:45,647 --> 01:19:47,215 And every now and then we find out... 1549 01:19:47,215 --> 01:19:49,885 Seattle got really famous. And we didn't. 1550 01:19:49,885 --> 01:19:51,443 And that's not too bad. That's OK. 1551 01:19:52,921 --> 01:19:56,224 Oh, yeah 1552 01:19:56,224 --> 01:19:59,995 Oh, yeah 1553 01:19:59,995 --> 01:20:03,331 Oh, yeah 1554 01:20:03,331 --> 01:20:05,333 Oh, yeah 1555 01:20:05,333 --> 01:20:06,601 Oh, yeah 1556 01:20:06,601 --> 01:20:08,403 It's another fine year end 1557 01:20:08,403 --> 01:20:09,738 Oh, yeah 1558 01:20:09,738 --> 01:20:11,740 At the top of my own top ten 1559 01:20:11,740 --> 01:20:13,041 Oh, yeah 1560 01:20:13,041 --> 01:20:15,577 Let's smash the year again 1561 01:20:15,577 --> 01:20:18,346 Oh, yeah 1562 01:20:18,346 --> 01:20:21,283 I get so sick of you 1563 01:20:21,283 --> 01:20:24,786 And all you're trying to be 1564 01:20:24,786 --> 01:20:27,856 I can't deny your uselessness 1565 01:20:27,856 --> 01:20:30,882 But what'd you ever do to me? 1566 01:20:57,419 --> 01:21:00,956 So, if you're standing in our dark corner 1567 01:21:00,956 --> 01:21:02,691 And try to dig us up 1568 01:21:02,691 --> 01:21:06,261 You'll find we're history 1569 01:21:06,261 --> 01:21:09,531 And if you're standing in our dark corner 1570 01:21:09,531 --> 01:21:15,971 Don't forget to bring along your top ten list 1571 01:21:15,971 --> 01:21:19,641 Oh, yeah 1572 01:21:19,641 --> 01:21:23,044 Oh, yeah 1573 01:21:23,044 --> 01:21:26,548 Oh, yeah 1574 01:21:26,548 --> 01:21:28,149 Oh, yeah 1575 01:21:28,149 --> 01:21:29,517 Oh, yeah 1576 01:21:29,517 --> 01:21:31,353 It's another fine year end 1577 01:21:31,353 --> 01:21:32,687 Oh, yeah 1578 01:21:32,687 --> 01:21:34,789 At the top of my own top ten 1579 01:21:34,789 --> 01:21:36,157 Oh, yeah 1580 01:21:36,157 --> 01:21:38,727 Let's smash the year again 1581 01:21:38,727 --> 01:21:41,830 Oh, yeah 1582 01:21:41,830 --> 01:21:43,098 Oh, yeah 1583 01:21:43,098 --> 01:21:45,233 Let's paint a nice back-drop 1584 01:21:45,233 --> 01:21:46,468 Oh, yeah 1585 01:21:46,468 --> 01:21:48,803 Where the music never stops 1586 01:21:48,803 --> 01:21:50,071 Oh, yeah 1587 01:21:50,071 --> 01:21:52,040 I'll be the oyster for your pearl 1588 01:21:52,040 --> 01:21:53,408 Oh, yeah 1589 01:21:53,408 --> 01:21:55,477 Dark corner of the world 1590 01:21:55,477 --> 01:21:56,912 Oh, yeah 1591 01:21:56,912 --> 01:21:59,147 It's another fine year end 1592 01:21:59,147 --> 01:22:00,415 Oh, yeah 1593 01:22:00,415 --> 01:22:02,384 At the top of my own top ten 1594 01:22:02,384 --> 01:22:03,685 Oh, yeah 1595 01:22:03,685 --> 01:22:06,254 Let's smash the year again 1596 01:22:06,254 --> 01:22:09,724 Oh, yeah 1597 01:22:09,724 --> 01:22:13,028 Oh, yeah 1598 01:22:13,028 --> 01:22:16,564 Oh, yeah 1599 01:22:16,564 --> 01:22:20,068 Oh, yeah 1600 01:22:20,068 --> 01:22:21,736 Oh, yeah 1601 01:22:21,736 --> 01:22:23,305 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah 1602 01:22:23,305 --> 01:22:26,574 Oh, yeah 1603 01:22:26,574 --> 01:22:30,011 Oh, yeah 1604 01:22:30,011 --> 01:22:33,581 Oh, yeah 1605 01:22:33,581 --> 01:22:36,685 Oh, yeah 1606 01:22:36,685 --> 01:22:40,188 Oh, yeah 1607 01:22:40,188 --> 01:22:43,625 Oh, yeah 1608 01:22:43,625 --> 01:22:46,995 Oh, yeah 1609 01:22:46,995 --> 01:22:50,365 Oh, yeah 1610 01:22:50,365 --> 01:22:53,702 Oh, yeah 1611 01:22:53,702 --> 01:22:56,571 Cornelius, alterhead.by.ru 1612 01:22:56,571 --> 01:22:57,868 1613 01:23:07,015 --> 01:23:08,812 What was the question? 120685

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