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Tonight...
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N:
We were trying to organize
these communities
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to take possession
of their own lives.
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MAN:
Voter registration,
freedom schools.
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We must be strong enough
to crush the enemy!
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WOMAN:
Everybody was in grave danger.
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NEWSCASTER (on TV):
The three civil rights workers
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who disappeared in Mississippi
last Sunday night
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still have not been heard from.
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"Freedom Summer," on American Experience.
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NASA ANNOUNCER:
Lift-off, the clock is runng.
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PILOT:
We have mass casualties up here.
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RINGSIDE ANNOUNCER:
Schmeling is down!
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WOMAN:
¶ Hear that freedom train
a-comin' ¶
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¶ Hear that freedom
train a-comin' ¶
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¶ Well, hear that freedom train
a-comin'... ¶
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KARIN KUNSTLER:
Spending a summer in Mississippi
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taught me a lot
about this country.
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My high school
social studies teacher
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taught me that
we all have rights.
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Mississippi summer taught me
that we didn't all have rights.
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WOMAN:
¶ They'll be comin'
by the thousands ¶
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¶ They'll be comin'
by the thousands... ¶
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JULIAN BOND:
When we began to go
to Mississippi,
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the black people we met there
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were not interested
in lunch counters.
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They weren't interested in
sitting in the front of the bus.
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There were no lunch counters.
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There were no buses.
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They wanted to vote.
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WOMAN:
¶ It'll be carryin'
registered voters ¶
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¶ It'll be carryin'
registered voters... ¶
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PEGGY JEAN CONNOR:
I just made up my mind
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that I was going to be
a registered voter.
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I never wanted to be
a politician.
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I just wanted the right to vote.
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¶ Get on aboard... ¶
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EUGENE "BULL" CONNOR:
I don't want the niggra
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as I have known him
and contacted him
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during my lifetime,
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to control the making of the law
that controls me,
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to control the government
in which I live.
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¶ It'll be rollin'
through Mississippi... ¶
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CHARLIE COBB:
I don't think people understand
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how violent Mississippi was.
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Terrorism led black people
to the obvious conclusion:
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if they try and vote,
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they're messing
with white folks' business
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and they can get hurt or killed.
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BOB MOSES:
We hope to send into Mississippi
this summer
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upwards of 1,000 students
from all around the country
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who will engage
in what we're calling
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freedom schools,
community center programs,
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voter registration activity,
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and, in general,
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a program designed to open up
Mississippi to the country.
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REPORTER:
The burned out station wagon
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in which the three civil rights
workers were last seen
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has been processed by FBI
laboratory investigators...
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DOROTHY ZELLNER:
I knew it was going to be bad.
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I didn't dream for a minute
that people would be killed.
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But it was always
in the back of everybody's mind
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that something...
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that things, bad things,
were going to happen.
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So it was terrifying.
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But if you cared
about this country
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and you cared about democracy,
then you had to go down there.
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MAN:
¶ I'm goin' down
to Mississippi ¶
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¶ Oh, I'm goin' down
a southern road ¶
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¶ And if you never
see me again ¶
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¶ Remember that I had to go ¶
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¶ Remember that I had
to go... ¶
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REPORTER:
The Student Nonviolent
Coordinating Committee,
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a militant group in the South
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with support from other major
civil rights organizations,
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is readying a massive program
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called the Mississippi
Summer Project,
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a campaign that may have
no parallel
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since the days
of Reconstruction.
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GWENDOLYN SIMMONS:
I'd heard about Mississippi
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all of my life growing up.
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But nonetheless,
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the fact that the people
in Mississippi couldn't vote
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was just a shock even to me
there in Memphis.
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I thought that
it was very important
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to go to Mississippi
and make a statement
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about the horrors that
confronted black people there.
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REPORTER:
This Ivy League campus
is one of the staging bases
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for an invasion of Mississippi
by college students.
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The students are being recruited
all over the United States,
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from Harvard to Hawaii.
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They will go to live
in Mississippi this summer
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to fight for the Negroes'
civil rights.
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PATTI MILLER:
I first heard
about Freedom Summer
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in the spring of 1964.
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I saw a brochure on the bulletin
board at Drake University
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where I was a student,
which is in Iowa.
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And it just caught my eye
immediately.
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TRACY SUGARMAN:
I had been making drawings
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for corporations and colleges,
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and my wife June felt very
deeply about the injustice
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in the country, as did I.
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So we decided that I would
take my skills as an illustrator
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and go to Mississippi.
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I was 20 years older
than they were,
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but I was part of the group.
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ZELLNER:
My job was recruiting.
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Students heard about the project
either through me
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or the campus newspaper.
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Then they contacted us
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for an interview
and for an application.
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READER:
"I am a junior at
Queens College majoring
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"in anthropology.
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"My schooling so far has
been oriented toward history
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"and I have good knowledge
of current affairs.
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"Finally, I have a good deal
of experience
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"with racial and religious
prejudices
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in the North and South."
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Andrew Goodman.
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READER:
"I have just returned
from a spring project
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"on a voter registration drive
in Raleigh, North Carolina,
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"where I was filled
with an overwhelming desire
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"to clean the rot
out of America.
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"All I can say is that
its very important to me
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"that I play my role
in Civil Rights for the U.S.
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"and most of all for myself.
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Linda Wetmore."
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ZELLNER:
We were looking for people
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who believed that
this was important,
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who would be respectful
to the black community,
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who were not nutcases,
who were not divas,
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and who were not people
who were going down
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to show the world
how great they were.
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This was a majority black
organization
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with black people telling
white people what to do.
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Now so let's say
you're in Mississippi
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and Bob Moses,
who's director of the project,
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comes over to you
and says,
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"Phil, will you spend
the next four weeks
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typing index cards,"
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or some other task that you
might not care for very much,
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how would you
react to that?
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I would certainly say yes,
but I would hope that...
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I do hope that I can participate
more actively in the movement.
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If this is where
he wants me to be,
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of course that's what I'll do.
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ZELLNER:
We turned down people.
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There were many more people
who wanted to go.
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But from the point of view
of safety for the whole project,
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we had to have people who were
as together as you can be
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when you're 19 or 20.
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When we sure that Freedom Summer
would actually happen,
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Jim Forman, the executive
director of SNCC,
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sent a number of people
who would be paid field staff
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into Mississippi
to help pave the way.
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RITA SCHWERNER:
Part of the application process
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to be considered
as part of the field staff
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was to write a letter
of application.
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And this is part of the letter
that I wrote.
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"I wish to become
an active participant
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"rather than a passive onlooker.
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"As my husband and I
are in close agreement
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"as to our philosophy
and involvement
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"in the civil rights struggle,
I wish to work near him
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"in whatever capacity
I may be most useful.
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"My hope is to someday pass on
to the children we may have
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"a world containing more respect
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"for the dignity and worth
of all men
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than that world
which was willed to us."
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REPORTER:
For these students, it will be
a longer, hotter summer
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than for almost anyone else
in this country.
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But they believe their project
will be the breakthrough
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in the civil rights battle.
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Their motto: "Crack Mississippi
and you crack the whole South."
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HOLLIS WATKINS:
From an early age on,
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I was told as a young black boy,
"If you see white people
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walking down the sidewalk,
especially if it's a man,
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"you step off to the side
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"and drop your head
until he passed by,
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"because if you didn't,
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"he might consider that
to be disrespectful
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"and he might hit you,
he might kick you,
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he might beat you."
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ANTHONY HARRIS:
My grandfather,
he would take me with him
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to downtown Hattiesburg
to pay bills.
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And I remember my grandfather
wore a straw hat
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with this colorful blue band
around the hat.
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And as a white person
approached us
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on the sidewalk or crosswalk,
he would tip his hat
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in what I would call
an extra show of deference.
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And by the time my grandfather
and I reached back to his house,
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we had bowed so many times
to white people.
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They taught young kids
like myself
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how to play the role
of that second-class citizen.
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WALLY BUTTERWORTH:
There are a lot of phonies
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who will stand up
and tell you that,
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"Oh, well, all are equal
in the eyes of God."
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How silly can you get?
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Christ himself was the greatest
teacher of segregation.
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BRUCE WATSON:
Mississippi really stood like
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an island of resistance.
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There were only 6.7% of blacks
who were registered to vote
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prior to Freedom Summer
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compared to 50%, 60% or 70%
in other southern states.
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Most of the rest of America
didn't seem to care,
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and that's what Freedom Summer
was about.
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"If we bring white students
and black students
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"from all over the country,
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"then everyone will pay
attention to Mississippi.
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"We'll bring America
to Mississippi
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because America is not paying
attention to Mississippi."
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WILLIAM WINTER:
In the '50s and '60s,
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particularly in the old
plantation agricultural areas
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of the state,
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African Americans made up
at least half,
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and in some cases
70% or 80% of the population.
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And, in some counties,
of course,
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there was a realistic
understanding
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that if black people voted,
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they probably would be electing
black officials.
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A lot of white people
thought that African Americans
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in the South
would literally take over
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and white people
would have to move,
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they would have to get
out of the state.
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WILLIAM SIMMONS:
I was born in Mississippi
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and I am the product of the
society in which I was raised,
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and I have a vested interest
in that society,
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and I, along with a million
other white Mississippians,
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will do everything in our power
to protect that vested interest.
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WILLIAM SCARBOROUGH:
There was no Ku Klux Klan
in Mississippi
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during this early period.
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There wasn't any need for one.
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The Citizens' Council
was doing everything
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that the Ku Klux Klan
would have done.
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There were a lot of prominent
people who were members--
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businessmen, bankers,
lawyers, politicians.
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I joined it because I believed
in what they were doing
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and I believed in trying
to preserve the society
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in which we lived.
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(fanfare playing)
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ANNOUNCER:
This is the Citizens'
Council Forum,
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the American viewpoint
with a Southern accent.
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JOHN DITTMER:
The Citizens' Council
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was really running
the state of Mississippi.
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It was part
of the whole apparatus
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of a white supremacist society
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that you had the local police,
you had the registrar,
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you had everyone involved
in the Citizens' Council.
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They succeeded in preventing
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almost all blacks
who attempted to register
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from registering to vote.
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CHARLIE COBB:
Political participation
was something
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reserved for whites.
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And if blacks sought it,
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they could get hurt
in lots of different ways,
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ranging from economic reprisals,
loss of jobs,
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or if you had a business,
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restrictions are being placed
on your business,
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or if you had a loan,
your loan being called in.
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JULIAN BOND:
The common theory
about Mississippi was
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that you could not attack
Mississippi from the inside.
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It had to be attacked
from the outside.
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You had to stand away and say,
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"This is an awful place
and it ought to fix itself."
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But Bob Moses
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and the Student Nonviolent
Coordinating Committee said,
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"No, that's not true;
we can do it ourselves."
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WATSON:
Bob Moses was a high school
teacher in New York City.
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He went south in 1960,
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originally just feeling he had
to go, had to get involved.
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SNCC sent him to Mississippi.
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He started going around
on his own in the rural areas
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where people simply didn't go
and challenge the status quo.
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ELEANOR NORTON:
What made him stand out
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was not only his sheer courage,
but his calm courage.
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I can't tell you that
Bob Moses was afraid,
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'cause he never showed it.
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He just went about his work
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and there was this calm sense
of mission.
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IVANHOE DONALDSON:
Bob went over there by himself
in 1961,
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and by the end of '61,
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maybe there were five or six
SNCC people in the state.
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In '62, maybe there were 18, 19.
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And in '63,
maybe there were 23, 24.
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And we'd have a staff meeting,
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we all could fit
in one little room.
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BOB MOSES:
Young people working
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with the Student Nonviolent
Coordinating Committee,
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or SNCC as we call it,
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are characterized
by restless energy.
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They seek radical change in race
relations in the United States.
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Their world is upset,
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and they feel that if they are
ever going to get it straight,
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they must upset it more.
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NORTON:
I don't want anybody to think
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that we were a bunch
of really brave Negroes
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running around Mississippi.
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That's not what we were.
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The reason that SNCC,
as it were, opened up the Delta
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is we were young and foolish.
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We didn't have the very
complete understanding
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of what that risk was.
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But what impressed me was that
there were black Mississippians
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who did know
how dangerous it was.
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BOND:
We met this cadre of older
people who had been fighting.
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They were eager for our help
and glad we were there.
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MOSES:
They knew that the key
to unlocking Mississippi
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revolved around the vote.
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And the access for black people
to power at that time
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has got to be through the vote.
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What was useful was that
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I was open
and accustomed to listening.
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COBB:
What we were trying to do
was to organize
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these communities to take
possession of their own lives.
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For the last hundred years,
the ability of black people
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to control their own destiny
had been taken away from them.
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Hi.
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Hey, how are you?
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All right.
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I'm Idel Crest
and I'm working
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for the board
of registration...
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WATKINS:
When I got hooked up
with Bob Moses,
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it was very simple:
go out through the community,
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you knock on doors,
talk to people.
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The only way
to better your life
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and better the lives
of your children
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is to go down
and register to vote.
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If you're not
a registered voter,
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you're not a first-class
citizen.
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CHARLES McLAURIN:
We would tell them
that if they registered
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and voted, they could
elect the sheriff,
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and that the intimidation
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on the part of the sheriff's
office and his deputies,
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they could change that.
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One of the things
that I always tell them
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is that we could stop
Mr. Charlie from lynching us.
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COBB:
You're sitting on front porches
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or you're walking out
into a cotton field,
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or maybe you're at the juke
joint having a beer.
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What we were doing was embedding
ourselves in these communities.
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You have your
certificate
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showing that you are
a registered voter?
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They haven't given it
to me yet.
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Well, you aren't
a registered voter, mister.
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We want you to come down
to the courthouse tomorrow.
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COBB:
Immediately what you found out
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you were dealing with was fear.
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WOMAN:
So why not go tomorrow?
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We will furnish
your transportation,
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so that's no excuse.
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COBB:
They would say,
"You're right, boy.
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"We should be registered
to vote.
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But I ain't going down there
to mess with them white people."
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Would you like to go
to both of these polling places?
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No.
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COBB:
We did not get
a large number of people
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to try and register to vote.
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And then within that
small group of people
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who did try
and register to vote,
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very few of them actually
got registered to vote.
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Other people are standing
in the courthouse.
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We can't see why we have
to stand out here in the rain
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in order to register to vote.
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It's a denial of our
constitutional right.
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CLERK:
Your section
of the constitution
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that I choose for you
is number 48.
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DITTMER:
The registrar had total control
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over who was accepted
and who wasn't.
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The voting form
was one of the most complicated
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you would ever, ever have.
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And as part of that, each
person would have to interpr
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a section of the state
constitution.
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PEGGY JEAN CONNOR:
We had people who taught
in colleges.
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We had people with the Ph.D.s,
master's degrees,
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and they couldn't pass it.
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You had to be white.
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CLERK:
No, Jennings,
you didn't pass it.
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You see there?
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You didn't fill out the...
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you just filled out
that part
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and look, you didn't
write anything in there.
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You didn't pass it.
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ED KING:
Sometimes, the sheriff would
walk into the room
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while they were taking
the voting test and say,
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"Annie Mae, don't you work
for my mother-in-law?
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"My mother-in-law would be
horrified
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"if she knew you were
taking this test.
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"Now, Annie Mae,
I'll tell you,
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"if you'll just
put that paper down,
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I'll tear it up and I won't tell
my mother-in-law."
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DITTMER:
In some counties,
when people went in to register,
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why, their names would appear
in the newspaper the next day.
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That could have recriminations
for all members of their family.
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It could mean
they would lose their job.
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There were real consequences
to taking this risk.
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It wasn't simply that you would
go down and get turned away.
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McLAURIN:
On August 31, 1962,
we had 18 people to register.
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Everybody went
into the registrar's office,
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took the literacy test,
came out,
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and as we were leaving the city,
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the bus was stopped
by the police
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and the driver was arrested.
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Everybody on the bus was afraid.
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And then after a while,
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there was a little smooth song,
you know,
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¶ Paul and Silas bound in jail ¶
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¶ Had no money for
to go their bail. ¶
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And somebody said,
"That's Fannie Lou Hamer."
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FANNIE LOU HAMER:
I went down the 31st of August
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to try to register.
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And after I had
gotten back home,
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Mr. Marlo told me that
I would have to go down
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and withdraw my registration
or leave,
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because they wasn't ready
for that in Mississippi.
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And I said, "Mr. Marlo,
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I'm trying to register
for myself."
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So I had to leave
that same night.
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MOSES:
She has this confrontation,
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then leaves the plantation
and comes into Ruleville
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and eventually becomes someone
who is a SNCC field secretary.
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One of the important things
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about recruiting
Fannie Lou Hamer
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was her ability
to move people.
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Fannie Lou Hamer brought
a new kind of spirit
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into the movement.
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And I think she...
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it kind of rejuvenated
all of us.
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FANNIE LOU HAMER:
I've been tired a long time
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in the state of Mississippi.
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Living in the county with
James O. Eastland, the Senator,
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Senator Stennis
to go to Washington
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and tell the people that
the people of Mississippi,
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the Negroes, are getting along
good and we're satisfied.
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But I want him to know this,
both of them:
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we're not satisfied
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and we haven't been satisfied
a long time.
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HARRIS:
We'd been accustomed to men
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standing up
and challenging the movement,
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but here is a woman,
a black woman.
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And her message to us was,
"Don't give up.
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"Freedom is not free.
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"Keep fighting,
keep fighting,
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keep fighting."
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DONALDSON:
As SNCC became more active
in the Delta,
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the Mississippi Delta
where Greenwood is,
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in the heart of Leflore County,
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we started to create visibility
around voter registration
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and people started
going to the courthouse.
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If people tried to vote, they
would push them off the land
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so they had no place to live.
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They took away their homes.
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African American people there
who had small businesses,
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the banks called their notes.
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COBB:
Even though there were
very few people
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being brought down
to try and register to vote,
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the white power engaged
in an act of reprisal
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directed at the entire
black community.
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What they did was shut down
the commodities program.
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What it was
was government surplus food
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that was sent
to poor rural areas.
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The county said, "Well, no,
we're not gonna have that,"
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which is essentially
put black people and poor people
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in a position where they could
starve during the winter.
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And this was
an especially bad winter.
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AMZIE MOORE:
I just keep wondering
how they're going
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to eat and what they're going to
wear because they have no money,
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they have no food,
and they have no clothing.
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They have no way
to buy food and clothing.
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We've appealed to people
all over the United States
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to send food and clothing in.
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COBB:
What would happen next
would eventually reshape
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the direction of the movement
in Mississippi.
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Dick Gregory was then
a big-time comedian,
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flies into Greenwood,
Mississippi,
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in his own chartered airplane
full of food to meet the need
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as a result of this cut-off
of commodities.
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REPORTER:
Dick, how much food did you
bring with you on this trip?
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We brought something like
14,000 pounds on this trip here.
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Canned food, milk,
baby food, cereal,
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wheat, flour, sugar, potatoes...
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DITTMER:
You had the news media
coming in,
489
00:28:30,076 --> 00:28:32,576
and soon these pictures were
going out all over the world
490
00:28:32,611 --> 00:28:34,712
of what was happening
in Greenwood, Mississippi,
491
00:28:34,747 --> 00:28:36,980
where several months before
492
00:28:37,016 --> 00:28:38,716
it had been very much
of a small operation
493
00:28:38,751 --> 00:28:40,484
with little visibility at all.
494
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:44,088
REPORTER:
City officials deny
the winter long cut-off
495
00:28:44,123 --> 00:28:45,756
of food allotments
496
00:28:45,791 --> 00:28:49,626
was retaliation
for the Negro voting drive.
497
00:28:49,662 --> 00:28:52,696
But the sharecropper
who tries to register to vote
498
00:28:52,732 --> 00:28:55,132
often faces the threat
of losing his job
499
00:28:55,167 --> 00:28:57,668
and being
put off the plantation.
500
00:28:57,703 --> 00:29:00,304
Bob Clark, ABC,
Greenwood, Mississippi.
501
00:29:03,309 --> 00:29:08,512
COBB:
It shows us that it's possible
502
00:29:08,547 --> 00:29:13,016
to make the country
pay attention to Mississippi.
503
00:29:13,052 --> 00:29:16,887
Gregory's action indicates
to Mississippians
504
00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:20,390
that they didn't have
to be alone.
505
00:29:22,361 --> 00:29:24,595
DONALDSON:
The American people only see
what's on television
506
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:26,396
at night on the evening news.
507
00:29:26,432 --> 00:29:28,999
So where Dick Gregory
created a lot of drama
508
00:29:29,034 --> 00:29:32,035
and the cameras were there
and then it went away,
509
00:29:32,071 --> 00:29:35,339
we wanted to figure out how
to do that for the entire summer
510
00:29:35,374 --> 00:29:38,675
to invite the children
of America into Mississippi
511
00:29:38,711 --> 00:29:40,511
so that they'd pay attention
512
00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,012
to wt was going on
in Mississippi.
513
00:29:42,047 --> 00:29:47,885
And from that, Mississippi
Summer Project evolved.
514
00:29:57,429 --> 00:30:00,631
COBB:
Most of the organizers
in Mississippi
515
00:30:00,666 --> 00:30:06,970
were opposed to the idea of the
Mississippi Summer Project,
516
00:30:07,006 --> 00:30:08,772
which meant essentially
bringing down...
517
00:30:08,808 --> 00:30:10,541
I think the number
we were talking about
518
00:30:10,576 --> 00:30:12,209
was roughly 1,000 students.
519
00:30:12,244 --> 00:30:17,114
I was one the people who was
opposed to Freedom Summer.
520
00:30:35,234 --> 00:30:37,968
KING:
People in the movement were
willing to die,
521
00:30:38,003 --> 00:30:40,671
but we didn't want
to die in obscurity.
522
00:30:40,706 --> 00:30:43,507
So if we brought in students,
523
00:30:43,542 --> 00:30:47,344
their colleges, their parents
would focus on Mississippi.
524
00:30:47,379 --> 00:30:51,148
I supported bringing
the volunteers in.
525
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,653
COBB:
The experience of people
like Mrs. Hamer
526
00:30:56,689 --> 00:31:03,360
was that people coming from
the outside was a good thing.
527
00:31:03,395 --> 00:31:06,396
Mrs. Hamer backed me up
into a corner and said,
528
00:31:06,432 --> 00:31:08,832
"Well, Charlie,
I'm glad you came.
529
00:31:08,868 --> 00:31:13,103
"What's the problem with having
more people come?
530
00:31:13,138 --> 00:31:16,073
How can you be opposed?"
531
00:31:16,108 --> 00:31:20,110
And eventually we decided to go
ahead with Freedom Summer.
532
00:31:24,516 --> 00:31:27,484
Once the decision was made
to have a summer project,
533
00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:31,822
there's a series of meetings
and discussions going on then
534
00:31:31,857 --> 00:31:35,993
about what the summer project
is going to do.
535
00:31:36,028 --> 00:31:37,761
REPORTER:
The Student Nonviolent
Coordinating Committee,
536
00:31:37,796 --> 00:31:39,997
a militant group in the South...
537
00:31:40,032 --> 00:31:41,999
Well, there were three
components of Freedom Summer.
538
00:31:42,034 --> 00:31:43,667
One was voter registration,
539
00:31:43,702 --> 00:31:45,435
which would be going
door-to-door,
540
00:31:45,471 --> 00:31:48,472
knocking on doors
and asking people
541
00:31:48,507 --> 00:31:50,607
if they were willing
to go down to the courthouse
542
00:31:50,643 --> 00:31:52,976
to register to vote.
543
00:31:53,012 --> 00:31:56,613
The second and very important
component of Freedom Summer
544
00:31:56,649 --> 00:31:58,882
were the freedom schools.
545
00:31:58,918 --> 00:32:01,118
They would teach things
that were not taught
546
00:32:01,153 --> 00:32:03,053
in black schools in Mississippi.
547
00:32:03,088 --> 00:32:04,588
Black schools in Mississippi
548
00:32:04,623 --> 00:32:06,023
couldn't teach
about black history.
549
00:32:06,058 --> 00:32:08,091
They couldn't teach
about black literature.
550
00:32:08,127 --> 00:32:11,028
So freedom schools were set up
to do exactly that.
551
00:32:11,063 --> 00:32:12,930
And finally there was
552
00:32:12,965 --> 00:32:15,232
the Mississippi Freedom
Democratic Party.
553
00:32:15,267 --> 00:32:17,901
It was a parallel political
party which basically said that,
554
00:32:17,937 --> 00:32:20,304
"We will send our own delegates
555
00:32:20,339 --> 00:32:23,340
to the Democratic National
Convention in Atlantic City
556
00:32:23,375 --> 00:32:26,009
"at the end of August,
and we will challenge
557
00:32:26,045 --> 00:32:29,680
"the all-white delegation
to see who would represent
558
00:32:29,715 --> 00:32:32,716
the state of Mississippi
at the convention."
559
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:37,187
White Mississippians
believed that
560
00:32:37,222 --> 00:32:39,890
what was going to happen
in the summer of '64
561
00:32:39,925 --> 00:32:41,558
was something that
not only they had to be
562
00:32:41,593 --> 00:32:43,660
psychologically prepared for,
563
00:32:43,696 --> 00:32:46,563
they had to be militarily
prepared for it as well.
564
00:32:46,598 --> 00:32:49,032
It shows you the hysteria
that was evident
565
00:32:49,068 --> 00:32:51,935
in much of white Mississippi.
566
00:32:51,971 --> 00:32:54,237
REPORTER:
In Jackson, Mississippi,
567
00:32:54,273 --> 00:32:58,375
a city of 100,000 whites,
50,000 Negroes,
568
00:32:58,410 --> 00:33:02,713
the mayor has prepared
for this summer's activity
569
00:33:02,748 --> 00:33:04,915
by increasing the police forces,
570
00:33:04,950 --> 00:33:07,484
by passing new ordinances
against demonstrations,
571
00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:09,686
and by purchasing
a steel-plated vehicle,
572
00:33:09,722 --> 00:33:13,256
a riot control car known
locally as Thompson's Tank,
573
00:33:13,292 --> 00:33:17,728
named for Mayor Allen Thompson.
574
00:33:17,763 --> 00:33:22,432
We are prepared to take care
of any law violations
575
00:33:22,468 --> 00:33:24,134
to keep down violence.
576
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:26,603
REPORTER:
In addition to Thompson's Tank,
577
00:33:26,638 --> 00:33:30,574
armor plated and equipped
with nine machine gun positions,
578
00:33:30,609 --> 00:33:32,376
the arsenal includes cage trucks
579
00:33:32,411 --> 00:33:34,544
for transporting masses
of arrested violators,
580
00:33:34,580 --> 00:33:36,346
search light trucks,
581
00:33:36,382 --> 00:33:38,415
each of which can light
three city blocks
582
00:33:38,450 --> 00:33:41,351
in case of night riots...
583
00:33:41,387 --> 00:33:43,153
(gunfire)
584
00:33:43,188 --> 00:33:45,522
The Citizens' Council
had convinced people
585
00:33:45,557 --> 00:33:49,860
that the Klan wasn't necessary,
that it was bad publicity,
586
00:33:49,895 --> 00:33:53,030
and that they could keep schools
from being desegregated,
587
00:33:53,065 --> 00:33:55,932
they could keep lunch counters
from being integrated.
588
00:33:55,968 --> 00:34:00,137
But by 1964, when they see the
volunteers for Freedom Summer,
589
00:34:00,172 --> 00:34:02,672
it was clear that they couldn't,
590
00:34:02,708 --> 00:34:05,275
and that's when the Klan
starts to ride.
591
00:34:09,248 --> 00:34:12,282
WATSON:
The Klan rose up as one
in Mississippi.
592
00:34:12,317 --> 00:34:14,551
One night in April of 1964,
593
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:17,287
crosses were burned
all over Mississippi.
594
00:34:17,322 --> 00:34:20,891
They claimed that
they had 90,000 members,
595
00:34:20,926 --> 00:34:23,493
and they were going to resist
what the Klan called
596
00:34:23,529 --> 00:34:26,296
the "Nigger-Communist Invasion
of Mississippi."
597
00:34:26,331 --> 00:34:28,565
So Mississippi,
on the eve of Freedom Summer,
598
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:30,067
was on a hair trigger.
599
00:34:35,607 --> 00:34:37,474
SCHWERNER:
There was very much
a recognition
600
00:34:37,509 --> 00:34:39,810
and a debate about,
601
00:34:39,845 --> 00:34:44,214
is it responsible to bring
all those kids into the state,
602
00:34:44,249 --> 00:34:49,586
most of whom are probably
far too naive
603
00:34:49,621 --> 00:34:54,524
to understand what they
were getting into
604
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,361
in terms of the violent nature
of the place?
605
00:34:58,397 --> 00:35:03,700
Are you doing this
to use people as fodder?
606
00:35:06,338 --> 00:35:08,839
The thought was,
"Well, you know,
607
00:35:08,874 --> 00:35:12,309
"we'll do this orientation
at Oxford, Ohio,
608
00:35:12,344 --> 00:35:15,946
"and we'll try and tell these
kids what they're getting into
609
00:35:15,981 --> 00:35:20,117
and ke it clear that they
really don't have to go."
610
00:35:20,152 --> 00:35:22,319
But you know,
I don't know that
611
00:35:22,354 --> 00:35:27,124
that really could begin
to prepare people.
612
00:35:27,159 --> 00:35:30,360
SIMMONS:
My grandmother said,
613
00:35:30,395 --> 00:35:33,163
"We've heard that you're
planning on doing something
614
00:35:33,198 --> 00:35:34,965
"really crazy--
615
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:38,535
"going to Mississippi
with those SNCC folk--
616
00:35:38,570 --> 00:35:41,037
and I'm never gonna permit it."
617
00:35:41,073 --> 00:35:44,741
LINDA WETMORE HALPERN:
We went to Oxford.
618
00:35:44,776 --> 00:35:47,811
A group of us from Massachusetts
met in Boston.
619
00:35:47,846 --> 00:35:53,884
We drove across, sharing driving
for different hours.
620
00:35:53,919 --> 00:35:56,419
We drove straight through,
people sleeping.
621
00:35:56,455 --> 00:35:58,788
I know I drove very fast.
622
00:35:58,824 --> 00:36:03,960
Several of us drove up to Oxford
623
00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:10,200
in the blue station wagon
that we used in Meridian.
624
00:36:10,235 --> 00:36:16,740
SIMMONS:
With my grandmother,
my mom and dad pleading,
625
00:36:16,775 --> 00:36:20,010
threatening, I just said,
"I'm leaving."
626
00:36:20,045 --> 00:36:22,913
A girlfriend drove me
to the bus station,
627
00:36:22,948 --> 00:36:26,449
and my grandmother's
parting words were,
628
00:36:26,485 --> 00:36:28,685
"If you leave,
don't ever come back."
629
00:36:35,227 --> 00:36:37,294
SUSAN BROWNMILLER:
I remember one young woman
saying,
630
00:36:37,329 --> 00:36:42,866
"We're gonna settle this problem
and then it's on to the Indians
631
00:36:42,901 --> 00:36:44,768
and we're gonna
settle that, too."
632
00:36:44,803 --> 00:36:48,605
I mean, there was that
kind of unbelievable idealism.
633
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:53,543
SIMMONS:
I can remember people saying,
634
00:36:53,579 --> 00:36:54,611
"Well, how bad can it be?"
635
00:36:54,646 --> 00:36:57,814
You know,
because they had no idea.
636
00:36:57,849 --> 00:37:03,987
And even I didn't think that
they might be beaten or killed.
637
00:37:04,022 --> 00:37:07,457
And, in fact,
that was one of the ways
638
00:37:07,492 --> 00:37:09,826
that I sort of calmed my fears.
639
00:37:09,861 --> 00:37:14,831
I thought that their presence
would be a mediating factor.
640
00:37:20,405 --> 00:37:24,307
MOSES:
The SNCC field secretaries
arrive in Ohio
641
00:37:24,343 --> 00:37:28,178
and, in some senses,
it's oil and water.
642
00:37:31,049 --> 00:37:35,919
So it erupts, you know,
one-on-one
643
00:37:35,954 --> 00:37:38,488
in different kinds
of interactions
644
00:37:38,523 --> 00:37:41,458
between the students
and the field secretaries.
645
00:37:41,493 --> 00:37:45,996
COBB:
The need for the volunteers
646
00:37:46,031 --> 00:37:48,365
and the presence
for the volunteers
647
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,068
represented our inability,
after three years,
648
00:37:52,104 --> 00:37:57,307
to make significant inroads
into changing Mississippi.
649
00:37:57,342 --> 00:38:01,011
So we had to reach out
to this larger group,
650
00:38:01,046 --> 00:38:03,446
which was predominantly white.
651
00:38:03,482 --> 00:38:09,919
And many of us were still not
entirely comfortable with it.
652
00:38:09,955 --> 00:38:12,455
CHRIS WILLIAMS:
The tension between
the volunteers
653
00:38:12,491 --> 00:38:14,057
and the SNCC staff,
654
00:38:14,092 --> 00:38:18,728
who was almost entirely black,
became evident right away.
655
00:38:18,764 --> 00:38:20,764
They were like,
656
00:38:20,799 --> 00:38:22,899
"We're going to take these
greenhorns back to Mississippi
657
00:38:22,934 --> 00:38:28,071
and be the tip of the spear
of the civil rights movement,"
658
00:38:28,106 --> 00:38:31,908
and these people are likely
to get us killed
659
00:38:31,943 --> 00:38:33,877
because they don't know
where they're about to do.
660
00:38:33,912 --> 00:38:35,512
And they're saying,
661
00:38:35,547 --> 00:38:38,014
"These people look like
they're just about beyond hope."
662
00:38:38,050 --> 00:38:41,751
SNCC WORKER:
The police are going
to harass you.
663
00:38:41,787 --> 00:38:44,587
They're going to pick you up
on the road,
664
00:38:44,623 --> 00:38:47,791
they're gonna put
trumped-up charges on you
665
00:38:47,826 --> 00:38:49,893
and you're gonna
wind up in jail.
666
00:38:49,928 --> 00:38:51,594
I suggest we be a little more
serious about this thing.
667
00:38:51,630 --> 00:38:55,665
SIMMONS:
One of the things that was done
at the orientation
668
00:38:55,701 --> 00:38:59,302
was to instruct
the white students particularly
669
00:38:59,338 --> 00:39:01,771
that you're going
into a situation
670
00:39:01,807 --> 00:39:05,208
where you will have to follow
the directions of black people.
671
00:39:05,243 --> 00:39:07,744
You will be living
in black homes.
672
00:39:07,779 --> 00:39:13,583
You will have to live
according to the way they live.
673
00:39:13,618 --> 00:39:17,287
Your life will depend upon you
following directions,
674
00:39:17,322 --> 00:39:19,489
and, of course,
these white students
675
00:39:19,524 --> 00:39:22,525
had never been
in a situation like this.
676
00:39:22,561 --> 00:39:27,797
(fanfare playing)
677
00:39:27,833 --> 00:39:30,700
BOND:
In order to orientate
the Freedom Summer workers,
678
00:39:30,736 --> 00:39:33,803
we showed them this movie.
679
00:39:33,839 --> 00:39:35,939
It featured Theron Lynd,
680
00:39:35,974 --> 00:39:38,375
who is the registrar
in Hattiesburg, Mississippi.
681
00:39:38,410 --> 00:39:40,243
REPORTER:
Theron C. Lynd,
682
00:39:40,278 --> 00:39:42,645
circuit clerk
and voting registrar
683
00:39:42,681 --> 00:39:44,314
of Forest County, Mississippi,
684
00:39:44,349 --> 00:39:49,386
is one of the most powerful men
in America.
685
00:39:49,421 --> 00:39:53,556
He and the 81 other county
registrars in Mississippi
686
00:39:53,592 --> 00:39:55,692
have the power
under state law
687
00:39:55,727 --> 00:39:59,429
to decide who can
and who cannot vote.
688
00:39:59,464 --> 00:40:05,001
Theron Lynd is your
stereotypical racist bad guy--
689
00:40:05,036 --> 00:40:10,073
a big, burly, cigar-chomping,
tobacco-chewing,
690
00:40:10,108 --> 00:40:13,176
aggressively racist white man.
691
00:40:13,211 --> 00:40:14,377
THERON LYND:
That's right, that's a section
692
00:40:14,413 --> 00:40:17,180
of the constitution of the state
of Mississippi.
693
00:40:17,215 --> 00:40:20,784
Then when you get over here
and answer the question 19...
694
00:40:20,819 --> 00:40:25,755
COBB:
And the summer volunteers
see him and start to laugh.
695
00:40:25,791 --> 00:40:29,559
People coming up
from Mississippi
696
00:40:29,594 --> 00:40:31,661
were tired, exhausted,
697
00:40:31,696 --> 00:40:34,664
suspicious of the summer
project.
698
00:40:34,699 --> 00:40:38,635
So the reaction to that laughter
was hostile.
699
00:40:38,670 --> 00:40:42,672
"You're not taking
Mississippi seriously.
700
00:40:42,707 --> 00:40:45,108
"You think this is
something funny,
701
00:40:45,143 --> 00:40:47,577
"something to be laughed at.
702
00:40:47,612 --> 00:40:50,847
No, what you're looking at
has cost people their lives."
703
00:40:50,882 --> 00:40:55,618
SUGARMAN:
When the lights came up,
the young SNCC leaders said,
704
00:40:55,654 --> 00:40:58,855
"We have to know you,
we have to love you,
705
00:40:58,890 --> 00:41:01,858
but we don't understand you."
706
00:41:01,893 --> 00:41:05,695
They really were furious,
707
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:08,898
and went on
at great length to say,
708
00:41:08,934 --> 00:41:10,567
"You're coming out
of a different place.
709
00:41:10,602 --> 00:41:14,537
I don't know if you should be
going with us."
710
00:41:14,573 --> 00:41:17,540
These white kids
were unsteady vessels.
711
00:41:17,576 --> 00:41:19,776
They weren't at all sure
712
00:41:19,811 --> 00:41:22,979
that these were the allies
they wanted.
713
00:41:28,153 --> 00:41:30,320
WATSON:
They stayed in the auditorium
for a few hours
714
00:41:30,355 --> 00:41:33,923
talking and arguing,
and they really went at it,
715
00:41:33,959 --> 00:41:37,494
but I think it really
broke the tension.
716
00:41:37,529 --> 00:41:39,996
It brought out these
underlying resentments.
717
00:41:40,031 --> 00:41:42,098
It brought out the differences
between the two
718
00:41:42,133 --> 00:41:43,833
and it highlighted them.
719
00:41:43,869 --> 00:41:46,035
And, above all,
it brought out the fact that
720
00:41:46,071 --> 00:41:47,737
they were all in this together.
721
00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,650
And from then on,
a lot of the tension was broken
722
00:42:00,685 --> 00:42:03,019
and they realized that
they were really one in this
723
00:42:03,054 --> 00:42:05,555
and that they were going to go
down and do this together.
724
00:42:21,273 --> 00:42:23,973
SCHWERNER:
At the end of the first week,
725
00:42:24,009 --> 00:42:26,342
we got a call in Oxford.
726
00:42:26,378 --> 00:42:30,880
People at the Mount Zion Church
had been beaten up badly
727
00:42:30,916 --> 00:42:33,950
and the church was burned.
728
00:42:33,985 --> 00:42:37,153
My husband Mickey and James
Chaney decided
729
00:42:37,188 --> 00:42:39,722
that they needed to go
right away
730
00:42:39,758 --> 00:42:41,457
to see how people were
731
00:42:41,493 --> 00:42:46,729
and to provide whatever support
they could.
732
00:42:51,469 --> 00:42:53,736
Andy Goodman was going to be one
of the volunteers
733
00:42:53,772 --> 00:42:56,472
working
out of the Meridian office,
734
00:42:56,508 --> 00:43:03,746
so they decided that all three
of them would go.
735
00:43:03,782 --> 00:43:07,650
We were in the dorm room
that we had been assigned
736
00:43:07,686 --> 00:43:09,385
and Mickey kissed me goodbye
737
00:43:09,421 --> 00:43:11,988
and said, "I'll see you at
the end of the week," and left.
738
00:43:12,023 --> 00:43:15,792
And they drove down
in the blue station wagon.
739
00:43:21,232 --> 00:43:22,865
READER:
"Dear Mom and Dad,
740
00:43:22,901 --> 00:43:26,336
"I have arrived safely
in Meridian, Mississippi.
741
00:43:26,371 --> 00:43:29,305
"This is a wonderful town
and the weather is fine.
742
00:43:29,341 --> 00:43:32,742
"I wish you were here.
743
00:43:32,777 --> 00:43:34,744
"The people in the city
are wonderful,
744
00:43:34,779 --> 00:43:37,213
"and our reception was
very good.
745
00:43:37,248 --> 00:43:42,218
All my love, Andy."
746
00:43:42,253 --> 00:43:43,386
It was close
to around 6:00 or 7:00,
747
00:43:43,421 --> 00:43:46,522
around 6:00 or 7:00
in the evening.
748
00:43:46,558 --> 00:43:50,960
And a call came in from the
Meridian people wanting...
749
00:43:50,996 --> 00:43:55,732
They had not heard from Mickey
and James Chaney.
750
00:43:55,767 --> 00:43:59,535
I just knew that something
had to be wrong.
751
00:44:02,607 --> 00:44:04,474
SCHWERNER:
It was early Monday morning
752
00:44:04,509 --> 00:44:07,877
around 1:00 or 2:00
in the morning
753
00:44:07,912 --> 00:44:15,585
when someone came to the dorm
room that I was using
754
00:44:15,620 --> 00:44:22,191
and woke me to say that the men
had not returned,
755
00:44:22,227 --> 00:44:26,462
and that was how
I first heard of it.
756
00:44:34,205 --> 00:44:39,342
SIMMONS:
Everybody was to come into
the auditorium for this session.
757
00:44:39,377 --> 00:44:44,013
They had this extremely solemn
look on their faces.
758
00:44:44,049 --> 00:44:49,285
And then they told us that
three workers
759
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:53,456
who had been at the orientation
and had left early,
760
00:44:53,491 --> 00:44:56,492
they had disappeared.
761
00:45:00,598 --> 00:45:03,633
SCHWERNER:
I urged people
to contact their families
762
00:45:03,668 --> 00:45:07,103
and have their families contact
their congressional people
763
00:45:07,138 --> 00:45:12,041
to indicate that we believed
764
00:45:12,077 --> 00:45:13,710
that there certainly was
a possibility,
765
00:45:13,745 --> 00:45:19,849
given the fact that so many
hours had gone by and...
766
00:45:19,884 --> 00:45:22,819
that they couldn't be located,
767
00:45:22,854 --> 00:45:26,122
that they might
have been killed.
768
00:45:26,157 --> 00:45:27,824
NEWSCASTER (on TV):
The three civil rights workers
769
00:45:27,859 --> 00:45:29,826
who disappeared in Mississippi last Sunday night
770
00:45:29,861 --> 00:45:31,461
still have not been heard from.
771
00:45:31,496 --> 00:45:34,897
A search has thus far produced only one clue,
772
00:45:34,933 --> 00:45:36,199
the burned-out station wagon in which the three
773
00:45:36,234 --> 00:45:38,067
were last seen riding.
774
00:45:38,103 --> 00:45:39,969
Andrew Goodman, a 20-year-old college student
775
00:45:40,004 --> 00:45:41,504
from New York...
776
00:45:41,539 --> 00:45:45,842
SIMMONS:
Learning that three
of our members,
777
00:45:45,877 --> 00:45:49,679
two of whom were white,
had disappeared,
778
00:45:49,714 --> 00:45:52,915
really blew away all my ideas
779
00:45:52,951 --> 00:45:56,953
that possibly we would have
protection from the fact
780
00:45:56,988 --> 00:46:01,491
that the majority of the summer
volunteers were white.
781
00:46:01,526 --> 00:46:04,026
I knew now
that that was not the case,
782
00:46:04,062 --> 00:46:07,764
that everybody was
in grave danger
783
00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:11,367
and that these Mississippians
would kill all of us,
784
00:46:11,402 --> 00:46:14,203
white and black.
785
00:46:19,744 --> 00:46:22,645
WETMORE:
Bob said that,
"There is no guarantee
786
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:28,251
"that you will get out of this
summer alive, so just know that.
787
00:46:28,286 --> 00:46:31,220
It's up to you if you want
to continue on."
788
00:46:31,256 --> 00:46:35,925
So he left us all to the phones,
and we all went.
789
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:40,229
We were told to call home.
790
00:46:40,265 --> 00:46:41,931
REPORTER:
Did you talk this over
with your parents
791
00:46:41,966 --> 00:46:43,065
before you made the decision?
792
00:46:43,101 --> 00:46:44,801
Yes, I discussed it with them.
793
00:46:44,836 --> 00:46:48,738
They felt, of course,
what I feel,
794
00:46:48,773 --> 00:46:51,841
and that is fear of what might
happen there.
795
00:46:51,876 --> 00:46:57,713
My mother and father did not ask
me to come home.
796
00:46:57,749 --> 00:47:00,650
They asked me to do
what I thought was right.
797
00:47:00,685 --> 00:47:05,755
So I boarded the buses.
798
00:47:05,790 --> 00:47:11,694
WOMAN:
¶ I'm goin' down
to Mississippi ¶
799
00:47:11,729 --> 00:47:17,333
¶ I'm goin' down
a Southern road ¶
800
00:47:17,368 --> 00:47:23,673
¶ And if you never
see me again ¶
801
00:47:23,708 --> 00:47:29,345
¶ Remember that I had to go ¶
802
00:47:29,380 --> 00:47:36,085
¶ Remember that I had
to go ¶
803
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:42,458
¶ It's a long road
down the Mississippi ¶
804
00:47:42,493 --> 00:47:48,998
¶ It's a short road
back the other way ¶
805
00:47:49,033 --> 00:47:52,568
¶ If the cops pull you over... ¶
806
00:47:52,604 --> 00:47:54,237
WILLIAMS:
We came down the interstate
807
00:47:54,272 --> 00:47:56,873
from Memphis into Mississippi.
808
00:47:56,908 --> 00:47:59,942
It must have been about 4:00
in the morning.
809
00:47:59,978 --> 00:48:03,412
There was a billboard right
at the state line that said,
810
00:48:03,448 --> 00:48:06,649
"Welcome to Mississippi,
the Magnolia State."
811
00:48:06,684 --> 00:48:10,820
And of course there was a little
bit of dread in seeing that,
812
00:48:10,855 --> 00:48:13,089
but what was more significant
813
00:48:13,124 --> 00:48:16,392
was that there were two
Mississippi highway patrol cars
814
00:48:16,427 --> 00:48:17,994
parked under the sign,
815
00:48:18,029 --> 00:48:21,297
and as the buses came by they
pulled out and followed us.
816
00:48:21,332 --> 00:48:25,401
So at some level they knew
exactly when we were coming.
817
00:48:25,436 --> 00:48:28,271
WOMAN:
¶ For an out-of-state car ¶
818
00:48:28,306 --> 00:48:35,211
¶ And he thinks he's fightin'
for his land... ¶
819
00:48:35,246 --> 00:48:39,916
MOSES:
What really is important
is that they get down
820
00:48:39,951 --> 00:48:44,854
and kind of just melt away
into the black population.
821
00:48:50,528 --> 00:48:54,397
If we could just get everybody
through the entry point
822
00:48:54,432 --> 00:48:57,033
and into the community,
823
00:48:57,068 --> 00:49:02,171
the black community will house
them and also harbor them.
824
00:49:06,344 --> 00:49:09,845
BOND:
The genius of the Freedom Summer
is that these volunteers
825
00:49:09,881 --> 00:49:14,350
were spread all over the state.
826
00:49:14,385 --> 00:49:16,786
The Freedom Summer workers
are everywhere.
827
00:49:16,821 --> 00:49:19,455
They are in almost every little
big town.
828
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:22,625
Almost every place where you can
go, they are there.
829
00:49:22,660 --> 00:49:25,194
REPORTER:
Yesterday the first 200 civil rights workers
830
00:49:25,229 --> 00:49:27,797
arrived in Mississippi and fanned out over the state.
831
00:49:27,832 --> 00:49:29,932
Another 800 will follow.
832
00:49:29,968 --> 00:49:32,134
The students were assigned living quarters in Negro homes
833
00:49:32,170 --> 00:49:35,037
from a central office.
834
00:49:35,073 --> 00:49:37,340
When Charles and Doug came by
the house and told us
835
00:49:37,375 --> 00:49:38,607
that they need some homes
836
00:49:38,643 --> 00:49:40,176
for the civil rights workers
to live,
837
00:49:40,211 --> 00:49:42,111
I said, "Well, I don't have
much room,
838
00:49:42,146 --> 00:49:44,046
but yeah, we'll be happy
to do it, you know,"
839
00:49:44,082 --> 00:49:45,815
and then I told my husband
about it.
840
00:49:45,850 --> 00:49:48,484
He said,
"Yeah, they can stay here."
841
00:49:48,519 --> 00:49:55,124
I felt the time had come to help
make a change.
842
00:49:55,159 --> 00:49:57,460
I had three sons and I didn't
want them to go through
843
00:49:57,495 --> 00:49:59,628
what I had gone through
and what I had seen.
844
00:49:59,664 --> 00:50:03,165
So I was determined
to help make a change.
845
00:50:03,201 --> 00:50:05,401
Say, "Well, they'll have to take
the twin beds
846
00:50:05,436 --> 00:50:08,104
and the boys have to double up."
847
00:50:08,139 --> 00:50:10,906
They were happy to know that
somebody was coming from...
848
00:50:10,942 --> 00:50:12,541
All we have to do is say,
"from the North."
849
00:50:12,577 --> 00:50:15,778
(laughs)
850
00:50:15,813 --> 00:50:17,813
HARRIS:
We were now going to have
a white person
851
00:50:17,849 --> 00:50:18,881
living in our house.
852
00:50:18,916 --> 00:50:22,184
So it was a special time,
it was an exciting time.
853
00:50:22,220 --> 00:50:24,754
We weren't sure what they were
going to be like
854
00:50:24,789 --> 00:50:28,057
because even though we had seen
white people on television
855
00:50:28,092 --> 00:50:29,358
and in person,
856
00:50:29,394 --> 00:50:31,027
but to actually have someone
living in our home,
857
00:50:31,062 --> 00:50:34,296
to spend time with us,
to share meals together,
858
00:50:34,332 --> 00:50:36,832
that was a much different type
of relationship
859
00:50:36,868 --> 00:50:41,737
than what we had been
accustomed to.
860
00:50:41,773 --> 00:50:45,841
ROSCOE JONES:
They became a part
of the black community.
861
00:50:45,877 --> 00:50:47,810
I don't know of any place
that they could run
862
00:50:47,845 --> 00:50:50,546
into a white neighborhood
and be accepted
863
00:50:50,581 --> 00:50:52,214
because they were outsiders.
864
00:50:52,250 --> 00:50:56,585
They became the closest thing
to being a part
865
00:50:56,621 --> 00:50:59,255
of the black community
as anybody can be
866
00:50:59,290 --> 00:51:02,291
because they had no choice.
867
00:51:02,326 --> 00:51:03,893
REPORTER:
Walt Kaufman,
you're from California.
868
00:51:03,928 --> 00:51:07,096
What's it like to come into a
situation such as exists here
869
00:51:07,131 --> 00:51:08,364
in Neshoba County,
870
00:51:08,399 --> 00:51:12,001
and as a white man come to work
for the project?
871
00:51:12,036 --> 00:51:14,703
Well, what I'm most impressed
with is the response
872
00:51:14,739 --> 00:51:19,108
of the people here who have been
intimidated and terrorized
873
00:51:19,143 --> 00:51:23,612
for years and who know that our
presence here probably poses
874
00:51:23,648 --> 00:51:25,281
some danger for them
875
00:51:25,316 --> 00:51:27,249
and yet they've shown
tremendous courage
876
00:51:27,285 --> 00:51:29,985
and amazing hospitality to us.
877
00:51:30,021 --> 00:51:33,956
They've helped to feed us,
they've encouraged us,
878
00:51:33,991 --> 00:51:38,928
they've warmed us with their...
just friendship and smiles.
879
00:51:38,963 --> 00:51:42,798
And it's an extremely impressive
experience to me.
880
00:51:42,834 --> 00:51:44,900
SUGARMAN:
Everybody knew that we were
going home
881
00:51:44,936 --> 00:51:46,268
at the end of the summer.
882
00:51:46,304 --> 00:51:50,739
The people that took us in
were going to stay.
883
00:51:50,775 --> 00:51:57,046
So they were there for the
reprisals, for the anger
884
00:51:57,081 --> 00:51:58,814
that the white community had
all the power
885
00:51:58,850 --> 00:52:02,251
to bring to bear on them.
886
00:52:02,286 --> 00:52:05,054
And they did it because
they really believed
887
00:52:05,089 --> 00:52:07,590
that we were there to help,
888
00:52:07,625 --> 00:52:12,661
and they'd never seen white
people who had come to help
889
00:52:12,697 --> 00:52:16,499
in their whole lives.
890
00:52:38,556 --> 00:52:41,157
SIMMONS:
One of the most wonderful things
891
00:52:41,192 --> 00:52:44,360
about 1964 Mississippi Summer
were the freedom schools.
892
00:52:46,097 --> 00:52:50,199
COBB:
The state of Mississippi
deliberately and systematically
893
00:52:50,234 --> 00:52:55,004
kept black people uneducated
and ignorant,
894
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:58,607
and then turned around and made
education a requirement
895
00:52:58,643 --> 00:53:03,746
in order to participate
in the political process.
896
00:53:03,781 --> 00:53:08,651
We were able to do the freedom
schools in the summer of 1964
897
00:53:08,686 --> 00:53:14,023
because we had almost 1,000
students coming
898
00:53:14,058 --> 00:53:16,759
to the state of Mississippi,
thus the human resources
899
00:53:16,794 --> 00:53:20,829
to actually, you know,
conduct classes.
900
00:53:20,865 --> 00:53:23,432
MALE VOLUNTEER:
We hope to find and develop
901
00:53:23,467 --> 00:53:28,437
and mold local leadership
among the young people.
902
00:53:28,472 --> 00:53:32,141
We also hope to promote
a better self-image
903
00:53:32,176 --> 00:53:34,343
among the local Negroes.
904
00:53:38,516 --> 00:53:43,118
JONES:
We would send out mass flyers
and everything
905
00:53:43,154 --> 00:53:44,653
to the churches,
906
00:53:44,689 --> 00:53:47,089
telling people
about the freedom school,
907
00:53:47,124 --> 00:53:50,292
what the freedom school was
going to entail,
908
00:53:50,328 --> 00:53:54,730
the courses, the activities.
909
00:53:54,765 --> 00:53:58,167
We got the preachers involved,
we got the kids involved.
910
00:54:09,180 --> 00:54:11,180
McLAURIN:
Black people couldn't go
to the library.
911
00:54:11,215 --> 00:54:12,948
It was for whites only,
912
00:54:12,984 --> 00:54:16,252
and so here they are,
got their own library now.
913
00:54:16,287 --> 00:54:19,021
They would come excited
to be exposed
914
00:54:19,056 --> 00:54:23,492
to the teaching
and to browse the books.
915
00:54:25,062 --> 00:54:27,263
HARRIS:
In the public schools
where I was in school,
916
00:54:27,298 --> 00:54:31,066
I had never heard of Dr. Seuss.
917
00:54:31,102 --> 00:54:34,803
It was at freedom school where
we actually not only read
918
00:54:34,839 --> 00:54:39,308
the story of The Cat in the Hat,
but we acted it out.
919
00:54:39,343 --> 00:54:42,344
Having our lives enriched
by these activities
920
00:54:42,380 --> 00:54:46,749
really made a huge difference
in my life.
921
00:54:50,254 --> 00:54:54,890
SIMMONS:
We taught African-American
history, civics,
922
00:54:54,925 --> 00:54:57,960
African culture, African dance.
923
00:54:57,995 --> 00:55:01,196
They were learning black history
924
00:55:01,232 --> 00:55:04,700
that they were reading books
that had been written by blacks
925
00:55:04,735 --> 00:55:06,468
that they'd never heard of.
926
00:55:06,504 --> 00:55:09,538
How were slaves first introduced
in America?
927
00:55:09,573 --> 00:55:12,474
MALE VOLUNTEER:
As we saw back on this world map
over here,
928
00:55:12,510 --> 00:55:16,178
America started picking up
slaves along here
929
00:55:16,213 --> 00:55:17,846
and then bringing them back.
930
00:55:17,882 --> 00:55:19,415
CHRIS HEXTER:
What we were trying to do
that summer
931
00:55:19,450 --> 00:55:21,317
is get people to talk
about their own lives,
932
00:55:21,352 --> 00:55:25,054
talk about good and bad,
and talk about ways
933
00:55:25,089 --> 00:55:27,189
in which you could bring about
change.
934
00:55:27,224 --> 00:55:30,926
I think that was very much
the drive of the program.
935
00:55:30,961 --> 00:55:32,861
FEMALE VOLUNTEER:
They had a sense of being needed
936
00:55:32,897 --> 00:55:34,763
by something much bigger
than themselves
937
00:55:34,799 --> 00:55:37,066
and a sense of being able
to handle the problems
938
00:55:37,101 --> 00:55:38,600
that they were needed for.
939
00:55:38,636 --> 00:55:41,503
They did it by asking questions
940
00:55:41,539 --> 00:55:45,107
and by being encouraged to feel
free to ask questions.
941
00:55:51,449 --> 00:55:52,815
HEXTER:
They were rarin' to go.
942
00:55:52,850 --> 00:55:57,219
We were just kind of like
the catalyst.
943
00:55:57,254 --> 00:56:05,227
We were agents of information
and agents of a different world,
944
00:56:05,262 --> 00:56:07,763
so I mean just the very fact
that we were talking
945
00:56:07,798 --> 00:56:09,965
about a world
that they didn't know,
946
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,000
or didn't have
much experience with
947
00:56:12,036 --> 00:56:17,673
was exciting to them
and also to us.
948
00:56:17,708 --> 00:56:21,777
McLAURIN:
We set them up
for the little children to come,
949
00:56:21,812 --> 00:56:25,848
and every day we'd have
classrooms of adults,
950
00:56:25,883 --> 00:56:30,686
people 50, 60 and 70
years of age.
951
00:56:30,721 --> 00:56:33,989
The adults came to the freedom
school to learn
952
00:56:34,024 --> 00:56:35,457
just like the little children.
953
00:56:40,398 --> 00:56:43,665
HARRIS:
Being in freedom school planted
a seed in my mind
954
00:56:43,701 --> 00:56:46,568
that things are going to change,
955
00:56:46,604 --> 00:56:48,337
things are going
to be different.
956
00:56:48,372 --> 00:56:51,073
And Freedom Summer helped
to give us that courage,
957
00:56:51,108 --> 00:56:53,776
it helped to give us that hope,
it helped to give us
958
00:56:53,811 --> 00:56:57,713
the reason to believe that it
was going to be different.
959
00:57:07,224 --> 00:57:09,258
REPORTER:
This is backwoods Mississippi
960
00:57:09,293 --> 00:57:11,660
and its 2.5 million acres
of swamp.
961
00:57:11,695 --> 00:57:13,128
Damp and clammy country,
962
00:57:13,164 --> 00:57:15,197
as hostile as the attitude
of its white people
963
00:57:15,232 --> 00:57:16,698
to civil rights.
964
00:57:16,734 --> 00:57:19,735
The green slime that sprawls
for miles may hide forever
965
00:57:19,770 --> 00:57:23,272
what's happened to Chaney,
Goodman and Schwerner.
966
00:57:23,307 --> 00:57:25,641
As the search for the men
intensifies in the swamps,
967
00:57:25,676 --> 00:57:27,509
there are those in Mississippi
who do not seem disposed
968
00:57:27,545 --> 00:57:29,645
to see this
as a personal tragedy.
969
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:35,484
One of them is Mississippi's
former governor Ross Barnett.
970
00:57:35,519 --> 00:57:39,388
We will treat anyone with great
respect here in Mississippi,
971
00:57:39,423 --> 00:57:43,926
anyone who comes here, as long
as they do not disobey our laws,
972
00:57:43,961 --> 00:57:48,063
but we will treat the people who
come here, these children,
973
00:57:48,098 --> 00:57:50,766
like any other backward
children.
974
00:57:50,801 --> 00:57:55,037
MAN:
¶ Go, Mississippi ¶
975
00:57:55,072 --> 00:57:59,074
¶ Keep rolling along ¶
976
00:57:59,109 --> 00:58:01,844
¶ Go, Mississippi ¶
977
00:58:01,879 --> 00:58:05,881
¶ You cannot be wrong... ¶
978
00:58:05,916 --> 00:58:07,382
WILLIAM SCARBOROUGH:
They're outsiders
coming down here
979
00:58:07,418 --> 00:58:11,119
trying to change the world and
there's natural resentment.
980
00:58:11,155 --> 00:58:12,855
I mean, that's common sense.
981
00:58:12,890 --> 00:58:16,692
MAN:
¶ M-I-S-S-I-S... ¶
982
00:58:16,727 --> 00:58:18,193
¶ S-I-P... ¶
983
00:58:18,229 --> 00:58:20,863
SCARBOROUGH:
We didn't think
those people understood
984
00:58:20,898 --> 00:58:23,999
what kind of society
we had here.
985
00:58:24,034 --> 00:58:27,002
You know, these college students
would sit up there at Oberlin
986
00:58:27,037 --> 00:58:31,306
and there'd be a articulate,
well-groomed black person
987
00:58:31,342 --> 00:58:33,041
sitting next to them,
988
00:58:33,077 --> 00:58:38,347
and they assumed all blacks were
like that and they weren't.
989
00:58:38,382 --> 00:58:42,217
They're coming for the purpose
of registering blacks to vote.
990
00:58:42,253 --> 00:58:44,853
And since this state had the
highest percentage of blacks
991
00:58:44,889 --> 00:58:46,855
of any state
in the United States,
992
00:58:46,891 --> 00:58:50,092
that poses a real threat
politically.
993
00:58:50,127 --> 00:58:53,128
There was a siege mentality,
us against them,
994
00:58:53,163 --> 00:58:57,533
and I hated them.
995
00:58:57,568 --> 00:59:01,370
MAN:
¶ M-I-S-S-I-S... ¶
996
00:59:01,405 --> 00:59:05,240
¶ S-I-P-P-I ¶
997
00:59:05,276 --> 00:59:09,645
(song ends)
998
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:11,813
WILLIAM WINTER:
Let me state as clearly as I can
999
00:59:11,849 --> 00:59:15,984
what the mindset of the state
of Mississippi was,
1000
00:59:16,020 --> 00:59:19,988
encouraged and emboldened by the
utterances of its politicians.
1001
00:59:20,024 --> 00:59:23,559
If the white people
of Mississippi
1002
00:59:23,594 --> 00:59:27,296
will just stay together,
will just stick together,
1003
00:59:27,331 --> 00:59:29,932
there is no force
in this country
1004
00:59:29,967 --> 00:59:33,268
that will cause segregation
to be ended.
1005
00:59:33,304 --> 00:59:36,471
That was the mindset.
1006
00:59:36,507 --> 00:59:38,707
BARNETT:
We face absolute extinction
1007
00:59:38,742 --> 00:59:44,947
of all we hold dear,
unless we are victorious!
1008
00:59:44,982 --> 00:59:48,784
We can win, my friends,
if we are organized
1009
00:59:48,819 --> 00:59:51,420
in every community
in Mississippi
1010
00:59:51,455 --> 00:59:53,455
and all over this nation
of ours!
1011
00:59:53,490 --> 00:59:56,458
We must be stronger
than the enemy!
1012
00:59:56,493 --> 00:59:59,227
We must be strong enough
to crush the enemy!
1013
00:59:59,263 --> 01:00:01,496
(applause)
1014
01:00:01,532 --> 01:00:03,999
MOSES:
They're caught in a circle
1015
01:00:04,034 --> 01:00:06,368
which, if there are people
who want to break out,
1016
01:00:06,403 --> 01:00:08,337
they don't know how.
1017
01:00:08,372 --> 01:00:09,838
They don't have a chance.
1018
01:00:09,873 --> 01:00:17,145
They just... white people are
probably more oppressed or...
1019
01:00:17,181 --> 01:00:22,951
in terms of their ability
to speak than Negroes.
1020
01:00:22,987 --> 01:00:26,154
BARBARA JAN NAVE:
In the South, you were expected
to live a certain way.
1021
01:00:29,994 --> 01:00:32,361
You just didn't step
outside the bubble.
1022
01:00:35,232 --> 01:00:41,370
In August of 1963, I was crowned
Miss Mississippi
1023
01:00:41,405 --> 01:00:43,739
and would spend the next year
representing Mississippi
1024
01:00:43,774 --> 01:00:45,040
all over.
1025
01:00:57,154 --> 01:00:59,888
WATSON:
Red Heffner and his wife were
loyal Mississippians.
1026
01:00:59,923 --> 01:01:01,490
Their daughter was
Miss Mississippi,
1027
01:01:01,525 --> 01:01:04,459
and they really believed
that if they just invited
1028
01:01:04,495 --> 01:01:06,428
a couple of white volunteers
over to their house
1029
01:01:06,463 --> 01:01:08,230
in McComb, just for dinner,
1030
01:01:08,265 --> 01:01:10,332
just to find out
what was going on,
1031
01:01:10,367 --> 01:01:13,969
nothing, nothing would happen,
nobody would object,
1032
01:01:14,004 --> 01:01:16,438
but they miscalculated badly.
1033
01:01:21,712 --> 01:01:23,945
NAVE:
The whole purpose was just
to keep the peace,
1034
01:01:23,981 --> 01:01:25,781
to try not to have any more
bombings,
1035
01:01:25,816 --> 01:01:28,583
try not to have any more
killings.
1036
01:01:28,619 --> 01:01:31,186
They came over just to have tea
or whatever, or coffee.
1037
01:01:33,424 --> 01:01:35,824
MRS. HEFFNER:
Then shortly after that,
a man called,
1038
01:01:35,859 --> 01:01:39,928
a neighbor, that we didn't know
very well,
1039
01:01:39,963 --> 01:01:41,963
and he lives a good distance
from us,
1040
01:01:41,999 --> 01:01:44,299
and said that the neighbors were
upset about this car
1041
01:01:44,334 --> 01:01:47,069
that was in front of our house
and who did it belong to.
1042
01:01:47,104 --> 01:01:50,639
About ten minutes later, Red
Heffner opened his front door
1043
01:01:50,674 --> 01:01:52,374
and there were all these
headlights glaring at him,
1044
01:01:52,409 --> 01:01:54,076
like something out of
a bad movie,
1045
01:01:54,111 --> 01:01:55,911
and people started shouting
things,
1046
01:01:55,946 --> 01:01:58,180
and they just barely got
the people out of there,
1047
01:01:58,215 --> 01:01:59,548
and from then on,
1048
01:01:59,583 --> 01:02:02,551
the Heffners' life
in Mississippi was pure hell.
1049
01:02:02,586 --> 01:02:04,853
I went downtown one day,
1050
01:02:04,888 --> 01:02:07,923
and friends that I had known
for ten years would turn
1051
01:02:07,958 --> 01:02:11,460
and walk away from me,
or hang their heads.
1052
01:02:11,495 --> 01:02:15,430
Some would speak and walk on
1053
01:02:15,466 --> 01:02:17,733
as if I had leprosy
or something.
1054
01:02:17,768 --> 01:02:21,303
NAVE:
My father was asked
to move out of his office.
1055
01:02:21,338 --> 01:02:24,106
So he lost his business.
1056
01:02:24,141 --> 01:02:26,942
Our, you know, our little dog
was killed.
1057
01:02:26,977 --> 01:02:29,411
I came home to visit
1058
01:02:29,446 --> 01:02:32,981
because I was still traveling
as Miss Mississippi
1059
01:02:33,016 --> 01:02:34,950
and the FBI wouldn't
let me go home.
1060
01:02:34,985 --> 01:02:36,818
I had to stay in the Holiday Inn
1061
01:02:36,854 --> 01:02:39,921
because they had heard that the
house was going to be bombed.
1062
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:44,893
It's just gotten too low.
1063
01:02:44,928 --> 01:02:48,396
To the point that we couldn't
take it any longer.
1064
01:02:50,134 --> 01:02:52,634
WINTER:
It's a mark of the obsession
1065
01:02:52,669 --> 01:02:57,439
that so many white people had in
this state at that time
1066
01:02:57,474 --> 01:02:59,674
with maintaining segregation
1067
01:02:59,710 --> 01:03:03,845
that made them turn on their
neighbors, on their friends.
1068
01:03:03,881 --> 01:03:06,782
The Heffners were ostracized
socially
1069
01:03:06,817 --> 01:03:09,117
and finally had to leave
the state.
1070
01:03:12,489 --> 01:03:16,024
NAVE:
They left everything
they'd ever had behind.
1071
01:03:16,059 --> 01:03:20,762
When all your roots are in one
place, it breaks your heart.
1072
01:03:29,406 --> 01:03:32,140
WETMORE:
I saw in Mississippi
1073
01:03:32,176 --> 01:03:34,810
a white population
1074
01:03:34,845 --> 01:03:40,415
that I had never
even imagined existed.
1075
01:03:40,450 --> 01:03:47,222
The vile, the absolute hatred
that was in their eyes
1076
01:03:47,257 --> 01:03:48,890
when they saw us coming,
1077
01:03:48,926 --> 01:03:54,396
was... it-it scared me.
1078
01:03:59,303 --> 01:04:02,204
FEMALE READER:
"It's night, it's hot.
1079
01:04:02,239 --> 01:04:05,340
"Violence hangs overhead
like dead air.
1080
01:04:05,375 --> 01:04:10,178
It hangs there, and maybe it
will fall, and maybe it won't."
1081
01:04:10,214 --> 01:04:11,947
FEMALE READER:
"Although I was extremely tired,
1082
01:04:11,982 --> 01:04:15,884
"every shadow, every noise,
the bark of a dog,
1083
01:04:15,919 --> 01:04:19,120
"the sound of a car, in my fear
and exhaustion
1084
01:04:19,156 --> 01:04:21,456
I turned into a terrorist
approach, and I believe..."
1085
01:04:21,491 --> 01:04:23,692
MALE READER:
"I wake up in the morning
sighing with relief
1086
01:04:23,727 --> 01:04:25,160
"that I was not bombed
1087
01:04:25,195 --> 01:04:29,231
"because I know that they know
where I live, and I think,
1088
01:04:29,266 --> 01:04:32,367
"'Well, I got through
that night,
1089
01:04:32,402 --> 01:04:36,571
'and I have to get through this
day,' and it goes on and on."
1090
01:04:39,509 --> 01:04:45,580
There were always moments
when I just wondered
1091
01:04:45,616 --> 01:04:48,817
if I could make it through that
day to the next one,
1092
01:04:48,852 --> 01:04:50,685
and then to the next one.
1093
01:04:50,721 --> 01:04:55,690
Just always questioning,
always wondering.
1094
01:04:55,726 --> 01:04:58,026
Every time I walked out
on the street
1095
01:04:58,061 --> 01:05:02,464
I, in my mind, I expected
a bullet to hit me.
1096
01:05:03,967 --> 01:05:06,001
FEMALE VOLUNTEER:
They threw a stick of dynamite
where, now?
1097
01:05:06,036 --> 01:05:08,570
Now, what damage did it do?
1098
01:05:08,605 --> 01:05:12,374
DITTMER:
Freedom Summer was one
of the most violent periods
1099
01:05:12,409 --> 01:05:16,378
in Mississippi history since
the end of Reconstruction.
1100
01:05:16,413 --> 01:05:20,682
There were over
a thousand arrests made.
1101
01:05:20,717 --> 01:05:22,250
REPORTER:
The explosive, nobody knows
1102
01:05:22,286 --> 01:05:25,020
what kind or how much,
was apparently placed
1103
01:05:25,055 --> 01:05:28,123
up against the house or rolled
up against the house.
1104
01:05:28,158 --> 01:05:31,526
DITTMER:
65 buildings were either bombed
or burned,
1105
01:05:31,561 --> 01:05:33,828
including 35 churches.
1106
01:05:35,499 --> 01:05:37,632
There were a hundred or so
beatings.
1107
01:05:37,668 --> 01:05:39,701
I mean, this was going on
all over the state.
1108
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:48,877
SIMMONS:
And then there was
the whole issue
1109
01:05:48,912 --> 01:05:53,114
of white women
living in black homes.
1110
01:05:53,150 --> 01:05:56,351
I mean,
that just infuriated them.
1111
01:05:56,386 --> 01:06:00,789
Take these, uh, white women
that've been imported in here.
1112
01:06:00,824 --> 01:06:02,924
They call 'em white women,
1113
01:06:02,960 --> 01:06:05,260
I could call 'em
a light colored rat.
1114
01:06:05,295 --> 01:06:10,765
They stay and sleep in the same
damn house
1115
01:06:10,801 --> 01:06:14,436
that the niggras do.
1116
01:06:14,471 --> 01:06:17,973
And then tellin', tellin' me
that they,
1117
01:06:18,008 --> 01:06:21,810
that they're not sexual
relations at.
1118
01:06:21,845 --> 01:06:27,015
Why, that is, that is,
for the... for the birds.
1119
01:06:27,050 --> 01:06:29,551
Even walking down the street
in an interracial group
1120
01:06:29,586 --> 01:06:32,120
was kind of a no-no.
1121
01:06:32,155 --> 01:06:37,759
I remember being arrested and
being asked a lot of questions.
1122
01:06:37,794 --> 01:06:41,463
And the sheriff wanted me
to describe
1123
01:06:41,498 --> 01:06:43,264
the size of black men's penises.
1124
01:06:44,234 --> 01:06:46,234
They were obsessed with sex.
1125
01:06:46,269 --> 01:06:48,370
I don't think we were obsessed
with sex.
1126
01:06:48,405 --> 01:06:49,838
But it was a clear message
1127
01:06:49,873 --> 01:06:52,340
that that's all they thought
we were doing.
1128
01:06:55,479 --> 01:06:57,779
BOND:
If you got in any kind
of trouble at all
1129
01:06:57,814 --> 01:06:59,414
or anybody was threatening
to you,
1130
01:06:59,449 --> 01:07:01,449
there was nobody you could go to
and say, "Help me."
1131
01:07:01,485 --> 01:07:04,552
You couldn't go to the police,
you couldn't go to the sheriff,
1132
01:07:04,588 --> 01:07:07,088
you couldn't go
to the state officials.
1133
01:07:07,124 --> 01:07:08,523
All of these people are hostile
1134
01:07:08,558 --> 01:07:11,626
and probably the people who are
threatening you themselves.
1135
01:07:11,661 --> 01:07:13,428
So there is nobody
you can appeal to.
1136
01:07:15,732 --> 01:07:18,967
WETMORE:
I was walking along a road.
1137
01:07:19,002 --> 01:07:22,103
We were told never to leave
the place we were staying
1138
01:07:22,139 --> 01:07:24,072
by ourselves.
1139
01:07:24,107 --> 01:07:26,307
They jumped out of the car.
1140
01:07:26,343 --> 01:07:29,744
They started calling me,
"Hey, nigger lover!
1141
01:07:29,780 --> 01:07:31,479
"We got you,
we finally got you.
1142
01:07:31,515 --> 01:07:34,482
"We ain't killed ourselves
a white girl yet.
1143
01:07:34,518 --> 01:07:36,551
You're gonna be the first."
1144
01:07:36,586 --> 01:07:38,787
They get this lynch rope.
1145
01:07:38,822 --> 01:07:43,858
It really was a noose
like you see,
1146
01:07:43,894 --> 01:07:47,195
like I had seen in the pictures
of the hangings, right.
1147
01:07:47,230 --> 01:07:49,998
They put this noose
over my head.
1148
01:07:50,033 --> 01:07:54,936
And it's attached
to a long rope.
1149
01:07:54,971 --> 01:07:57,439
They jump back into the car,
1150
01:07:57,474 --> 01:08:00,809
and I just saw myself being
dragged to death.
1151
01:08:00,844 --> 01:08:03,545
I'm walking like this.
1152
01:08:03,580 --> 01:08:07,215
And they're laughing and calling
me all kinds of names.
1153
01:08:07,250 --> 01:08:13,988
And then they moved along,
slowly,
1154
01:08:14,024 --> 01:08:15,590
a little bit faster.
1155
01:08:15,625 --> 01:08:18,026
I'm walking faster.
1156
01:08:18,061 --> 01:08:21,196
And it was like,
okay, this is it.
1157
01:08:21,231 --> 01:08:24,199
And then they dropped the rope.
1158
01:08:24,234 --> 01:08:26,401
And I just stood there.
1159
01:08:26,436 --> 01:08:27,902
Of course we had to wear skirts.
1160
01:08:27,938 --> 01:08:29,671
We weren't allowed to wear pants
in those days,
1161
01:08:29,706 --> 01:08:32,073
so we all had our little shifts
on and everything.
1162
01:08:32,109 --> 01:08:34,209
I peed all over myself.
1163
01:08:34,244 --> 01:08:37,112
Just stood on the...
and just peed.
1164
01:08:55,799 --> 01:09:00,201
RUBIN:
"The day-to-day work
was canvassing.
1165
01:09:00,237 --> 01:09:04,672
"The work itself is as simple
as it is tedious.
1166
01:09:04,708 --> 01:09:07,575
"We walk down these dusty red
country roads
1167
01:09:07,611 --> 01:09:09,911
"in the Negro sections,
1168
01:09:09,946 --> 01:09:14,182
"go from tumbledown house
to tumbledown house,
1169
01:09:14,217 --> 01:09:18,786
"and if they come out
to the porch or let us in,
1170
01:09:18,822 --> 01:09:21,589
"we talk to the people.
1171
01:09:21,625 --> 01:09:23,091
"That's it.
1172
01:09:23,126 --> 01:09:25,059
"That's what we do.
1173
01:09:25,095 --> 01:09:28,263
That's what the segregationists
are trying to stop."
1174
01:09:37,607 --> 01:09:39,374
SUGARMAN:
My motivation for drawing
1175
01:09:39,409 --> 01:09:42,810
was I wanted to make sure that I
was capturing
1176
01:09:42,846 --> 01:09:48,082
the flavor a moment,
the intensity of a moment.
1177
01:09:48,118 --> 01:09:51,286
And you are in that situation,
1178
01:09:51,321 --> 01:09:54,722
everything becomes memorable.
1179
01:09:56,660 --> 01:10:01,596
The intensity of those
situations become indelible.
1180
01:10:06,336 --> 01:10:09,237
That happened to me twice
in my life.
1181
01:10:09,272 --> 01:10:11,773
One was on D-Day,
1182
01:10:11,808 --> 01:10:14,943
and the other time was
in Mississippi.
1183
01:10:18,481 --> 01:10:20,081
KUNSTLER:
The work was frustrating.
1184
01:10:20,116 --> 01:10:21,649
There was a very small return
1185
01:10:21,685 --> 01:10:25,420
for the number of doors
we knocked on.
1186
01:10:25,455 --> 01:10:27,488
You could see in people's faces
1187
01:10:27,524 --> 01:10:30,258
the struggle they were
going through.
1188
01:10:30,293 --> 01:10:34,128
Many really wanted to register
but were fearful.
1189
01:10:34,164 --> 01:10:36,497
"I'm not going to register
to vote because I work
1190
01:10:36,533 --> 01:10:39,300
for a white family and I think
they might fire me."
1191
01:10:39,336 --> 01:10:41,869
Or "I've heard that houses get
burned down
1192
01:10:41,905 --> 01:10:43,938
when people go to register
to vote."
1193
01:10:43,974 --> 01:10:46,774
Or "I'm worried about my kids."
1194
01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:50,511
We were doing something
very positive
1195
01:10:50,547 --> 01:10:53,748
but also in the backs
of our minds was the negative
1196
01:10:53,783 --> 01:10:57,518
that could ball someone
we were talking to.
1197
01:10:57,554 --> 01:10:59,787
Because the danger was real.
1198
01:10:59,823 --> 01:11:01,656
It was absolutely real.
1199
01:11:07,564 --> 01:11:09,030
REPORTER:
Late this afternoon,
1200
01:11:09,065 --> 01:11:11,799
the search for Chaney, Goodman
and Schwerner shifted
1201
01:11:11,835 --> 01:11:14,435
to the Pearl River near
Philadelphia, Mississippi.
1202
01:11:14,471 --> 01:11:17,505
Boats carrying game wardens
and FBI agents
1203
01:11:17,540 --> 01:11:20,508
are now dragging the river.
1204
01:11:20,543 --> 01:11:23,244
REPORTER:
Have you seen the spot
down here, sir?
1205
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,312
MAN:
That's right.
1206
01:11:24,347 --> 01:11:25,480
REPORTER:
What do you think of this?
1207
01:11:25,515 --> 01:11:26,714
I believe them jokers planned it
1208
01:11:26,750 --> 01:11:27,982
and sitting off up there
in New York,
1209
01:11:28,018 --> 01:11:29,317
laughing at us Mississippi folk.
1210
01:11:29,352 --> 01:11:32,253
REPORTER:
Can you tell me what you think
of this whole thing?
1211
01:11:32,289 --> 01:11:33,354
WOMAN:
Well, I believe
1212
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:34,989
it's a big publicity hoax,
1213
01:11:35,025 --> 01:11:37,392
but if they're dead I feel like
they asked for it.
1214
01:11:39,296 --> 01:11:40,995
KUNSTLER:
It was always on our minds,
1215
01:11:41,031 --> 01:11:46,567
and we were constantly aware
that they had not been found.
1216
01:11:46,603 --> 01:11:49,804
There was a pall over the whole
project because of that.
1217
01:11:49,839 --> 01:11:51,406
REPORTER:
In Meridian,
1218
01:11:51,441 --> 01:11:54,242
the wife of missing Mickey
Schwerner, Rita Schwerner,
1219
01:11:54,277 --> 01:11:56,110
flew from Oxford.
1220
01:11:56,146 --> 01:11:58,513
BOND:
Rita Schwerner plays
an important role here.
1221
01:11:58,548 --> 01:12:00,381
This is her husband, after all,
1222
01:12:00,417 --> 01:12:02,417
who is the leader
of the three missing men.
1223
01:12:02,452 --> 01:12:06,487
And she puts a face on them
and she plays an enormous role
1224
01:12:06,523 --> 01:12:09,223
in making this seem like
these are real people
1225
01:12:09,259 --> 01:12:11,526
and we need to pay attention
to these real people
1226
01:12:11,561 --> 01:12:13,594
who something terrible has
happened to.
1227
01:12:14,831 --> 01:12:16,531
RITA SCHWERNER:
They're being held somewhere,
1228
01:12:16,566 --> 01:12:21,402
or something happened, and I am
going to find the answer.
1229
01:12:21,438 --> 01:12:26,708
If this means driving every
back road, every dirt road,
1230
01:12:26,743 --> 01:12:31,512
every alley in the county
of Neshoba, I will do it.
1231
01:12:35,952 --> 01:12:38,486
DOROTHY ZELLNER:
The press swarmed all over her,
1232
01:12:38,521 --> 01:12:40,888
and I think they wanted her
to cry,
1233
01:12:40,924 --> 01:12:44,792
and they wanted her to be
a new widow,
1234
01:12:44,828 --> 01:12:49,030
that they would catch her
at the moment of her widowhood,
1235
01:12:49,065 --> 01:12:51,466
and she wouldn't play.
1236
01:12:51,501 --> 01:12:54,969
I personally suspect
that if Mr. Chaney,
1237
01:12:55,004 --> 01:12:59,173
who is a native
Mississippian Negro,
1238
01:12:59,209 --> 01:13:02,076
had been along at the time
of the disappearance,
1239
01:13:02,112 --> 01:13:07,115
that this case, like so many
others that have come before,
1240
01:13:07,150 --> 01:13:09,283
would have gone completely
unnoticed.
1241
01:13:11,821 --> 01:13:13,154
SCHWERNER:
I did have some sense
1242
01:13:13,189 --> 01:13:18,059
that if the story was allowed
to deteriorate into,
1243
01:13:18,094 --> 01:13:20,995
"Oh, this poor
little white girl,"
1244
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:25,433
that, um...
1245
01:13:25,468 --> 01:13:30,037
it would, um...
1246
01:13:30,073 --> 01:13:32,840
it would be offensive
to everyone concerned.
1247
01:13:35,311 --> 01:13:37,478
WATSON:
Rita went on to the White House
1248
01:13:37,514 --> 01:13:38,913
and she met Lyndon Johnson,
1249
01:13:38,948 --> 01:13:40,815
and he welcomed her
to the White House
1250
01:13:40,850 --> 01:13:42,483
and she said very bluntly,
she said,
1251
01:13:42,519 --> 01:13:44,786
"Mr. President, this is not
a social call.
1252
01:13:44,821 --> 01:13:47,889
I've come to find out
where my husband is."
1253
01:13:47,924 --> 01:13:49,891
And she got chewed out by the
press secretary, who said,
1254
01:13:49,926 --> 01:13:52,527
"You don't talk to the president
of the United States like that."
1255
01:13:52,562 --> 01:13:53,895
Rita simply said, "We do."
1256
01:14:32,936 --> 01:14:35,336
REPORTER:
On Thursday, President
Johnson ordered sailors
1257
01:14:35,371 --> 01:14:37,305
from Meridian Naval Air Station
1258
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:39,574
to augment state
and federal law officers
1259
01:14:39,609 --> 01:14:42,810
who were conducting the search.
1260
01:14:42,846 --> 01:14:45,480
There have been reports that
they were seen in other states.
1261
01:14:45,515 --> 01:14:47,315
None of these reports
proved out,
1262
01:14:47,350 --> 01:14:49,317
and so far neither
has the search.
1263
01:14:57,393 --> 01:15:00,161
JONES:
On August 4, 1964,
1264
01:15:00,196 --> 01:15:03,998
at the Mt. Olive Missionary
Baptist Church
1265
01:15:04,033 --> 01:15:06,200
in Meridian, Mississippi,
1266
01:15:06,236 --> 01:15:07,969
Pete Seeger gave a concert.
1267
01:15:08,004 --> 01:15:11,672
You know, we were all into
James Brown and all that
1268
01:15:11,708 --> 01:15:15,776
and here, you know, we got a guy
who's a folk legend
1269
01:15:15,812 --> 01:15:18,513
that comes to Meridian
and we were told
1270
01:15:18,548 --> 01:15:20,781
that he's going to do
this concert.
1271
01:15:23,953 --> 01:15:25,786
PETE SEEGER:
It was a small church,
1272
01:15:25,822 --> 01:15:28,923
so there were
about 200 people there,
1273
01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:31,592
and I had been singing
to them, I guess,
1274
01:15:31,628 --> 01:15:36,797
on a slight raised platform,
probably near the pulpit.
1275
01:15:36,833 --> 01:15:40,134
And I had gotten them
singing with me.
1276
01:15:41,638 --> 01:15:43,104
JONES:
And, all of a sudden,
1277
01:15:43,139 --> 01:15:44,639
in the middle of a song
that he was singing,
1278
01:15:44,674 --> 01:15:47,708
someone came over
and whispered into his ear.
1279
01:15:47,744 --> 01:15:52,613
He stopped and he got up
and made an announcement.
1280
01:15:55,818 --> 01:15:59,253
SEEGER:
"The bodies of Schwerner,
Goodman and Chaney
1281
01:15:59,289 --> 01:16:02,623
"have just been discovered.
1282
01:16:02,659 --> 01:16:06,227
They were buried deep
in the earth."
1283
01:16:06,262 --> 01:16:08,663
There wasn't any shouting.
1284
01:16:08,698 --> 01:16:11,332
There's just silence.
1285
01:16:11,367 --> 01:16:16,637
I saw lips moving
as though they were in prayer.
1286
01:16:16,673 --> 01:16:21,442
He asked us to join hands
and sing,
1287
01:16:21,477 --> 01:16:29,116
¶ We shall overcome, my Lord ¶
1288
01:16:29,152 --> 01:16:36,324
¶ We shall overcome someday ¶
1289
01:16:36,359 --> 01:16:41,162
¶ We shall overcome
someday... ¶
1290
01:16:41,197 --> 01:16:46,667
(crowd singing
"We Shall Overcome")
1291
01:16:46,703 --> 01:16:53,774
¶ Deep in my heart ¶
1292
01:16:53,810 --> 01:17:00,381
¶ Know that I do believe ¶
1293
01:17:00,416 --> 01:17:06,454
¶ Oh, we shall overcome
someday. ¶
1294
01:17:06,489 --> 01:17:10,524
SCHWERNER:
I got a call
late in the evening.
1295
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:13,294
At least this...
1296
01:17:13,329 --> 01:17:17,365
this nightmare of unknowing,
1297
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:23,237
or at least not officially
knowing, was over.
1298
01:17:26,909 --> 01:17:28,776
WATSON:
The bodies of Andrew Goodman
and Michael Schwerner
1299
01:17:28,811 --> 01:17:30,277
were flown to New York.
1300
01:17:30,313 --> 01:17:32,880
They had a separate funeral
there.
1301
01:17:32,915 --> 01:17:37,518
Fannie Lee Chaney flew to New
York to be at that funeral.
1302
01:17:37,553 --> 01:17:39,487
The families by then were
so together,
1303
01:17:39,522 --> 01:17:41,222
even though they had never
met before.
1304
01:17:41,257 --> 01:17:43,324
The mothers locked arms
1305
01:17:43,359 --> 01:17:47,662
and walked out of the church
together.
1306
01:17:47,697 --> 01:17:53,467
CROWD:
¶ Oh, we shall overcome
someday. ¶
1307
01:17:55,605 --> 01:17:57,538
WATSON:
In Mississippi,
a memorial service was held
1308
01:17:57,573 --> 01:17:59,674
for James Chaney.
1309
01:18:11,187 --> 01:18:12,620
DENNIS:
The decision had been made
1310
01:18:12,655 --> 01:18:16,190
by family members and
local leaders and others
1311
01:18:16,225 --> 01:18:19,293
that they wanted to keep
this very quiet
1312
01:18:19,328 --> 01:18:22,530
and then low key, rather.
1313
01:18:23,433 --> 01:18:26,200
I did their eulogy.
1314
01:18:26,235 --> 01:18:27,334
DENNIS:
I want to talk about
1315
01:18:27,370 --> 01:18:30,971
is really
what I really grieve about.
1316
01:18:31,007 --> 01:18:34,442
I don't grieve for Chaney
because of the fact
1317
01:18:34,477 --> 01:18:37,611
I feel that he lived
a fuller life
1318
01:18:37,647 --> 01:18:40,214
than many of us will ever live.
1319
01:18:40,249 --> 01:18:48,055
I feel that he's got his freedom
and we're still fighting for it.
1320
01:18:48,091 --> 01:18:50,758
WATSON:
Dave Dennis's speech was
a turning point in the summer
1321
01:18:50,793 --> 01:18:55,329
because everybody wanted him
to say the usual things
1322
01:18:55,364 --> 01:18:57,064
that you would say
at a funeral.
1323
01:18:57,100 --> 01:19:01,602
And Dave Dennis
just couldn't do it.
1324
01:19:01,637 --> 01:19:03,671
He challenged the people
at the memorial
1325
01:19:03,706 --> 01:19:05,773
and he challenged
the whole movement.
1326
01:19:05,808 --> 01:19:08,409
You see, wall tired.
1327
01:19:08,444 --> 01:19:09,610
You see, I know what's gonna
happen.
1328
01:19:09,645 --> 01:19:11,178
I feel it deep in my heart
1329
01:19:11,214 --> 01:19:13,080
when they find the people
who killed those guys
1330
01:19:13,116 --> 01:19:14,682
in Neshoba County...
1331
01:19:14,717 --> 01:19:16,650
All the different emotions
1332
01:19:16,686 --> 01:19:20,154
of things we'd been
going through
1333
01:19:20,189 --> 01:19:22,723
leading up
to this particular moment
1334
01:19:22,759 --> 01:19:28,095
began to come out, boil up
in me, you might call this.
1335
01:19:32,101 --> 01:19:34,368
And then looking out there
and seeing Ben Chaney,
1336
01:19:34,403 --> 01:19:40,040
James Chaney's little brother,
I lost it.
1337
01:19:40,076 --> 01:19:44,145
I totally just lost it.
1338
01:19:44,180 --> 01:19:46,580
Don't bow down anymore!
1339
01:19:46,616 --> 01:19:49,617
Hold your heads up!
1340
01:19:49,652 --> 01:19:52,720
We want our freedom now!
1341
01:19:52,755 --> 01:19:55,689
(voice breaking):
I don't want to have to go
to another memorial.
1342
01:19:57,393 --> 01:19:59,593
I'm tired of funerals.
1343
01:19:59,629 --> 01:20:03,964
Tired of it!
1344
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,000
We've got to stand up!
1345
01:20:08,738 --> 01:20:14,542
CROWD:
¶ Oh, oh, oh, deep in my heart ¶
1346
01:20:14,577 --> 01:20:17,044
WATSON:
I think a lot of people
in Mississippi,
1347
01:20:17,079 --> 01:20:18,312
white people, thought,
1348
01:20:18,347 --> 01:20:20,748
"If we could just repel them
with the violence,
1349
01:20:20,783 --> 01:20:22,149
they'll go away."
1350
01:20:22,185 --> 01:20:24,218
But the beauty of Freedom Summer
was the tenacity
1351
01:20:24,253 --> 01:20:26,787
shown by the local people
and the volunteers
1352
01:20:26,823 --> 01:20:29,456
by staying on and on despite
the violence,
1353
01:20:29,492 --> 01:20:31,826
despite the threats,
despite the three bodies.
1354
01:20:31,861 --> 01:20:36,730
That created a momentum that,
as it went on into August,
1355
01:20:36,766 --> 01:20:39,967
you did begin to see more people
showing up at mass meetings,
1356
01:20:40,002 --> 01:20:41,969
more people showing up
at church.
1357
01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,644
WOMAN:
¶ This little light of mine... ¶
1358
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,514
CROWD:
¶ I'm gonna let it shine. ¶
1359
01:20:53,549 --> 01:20:55,583
WATSON:
Churches that had originally
had maybe
1360
01:20:55,618 --> 01:20:57,918
ten or 12 people
for an evening meeting,
1361
01:20:57,954 --> 01:21:00,020
and there were evening meetings
almost every night,
1362
01:21:00,056 --> 01:21:02,923
now you got 20, 30, 40, 50
people showing up.
1363
01:21:02,959 --> 01:21:04,892
The churches are filled
in the evening.
1364
01:21:04,927 --> 01:21:08,329
Just being there in Mississippi
is making a difference.
1365
01:21:08,364 --> 01:21:16,737
CROWD: ¶ Let it shine, let it
shine, let it shine... ¶
1366
01:21:16,772 --> 01:21:22,409
WOMAN:
¶ Tell Governor Wallace... ¶
1367
01:21:22,445 --> 01:21:25,779
HARRIS:
The mass meeting was called
by the community.
1368
01:21:25,815 --> 01:21:27,481
That was the purpose
of the mass meeting,
1369
01:21:27,516 --> 01:21:30,217
to bring people up to date,
don't have any fear.
1370
01:21:30,253 --> 01:21:33,954
Try to stick to your grounds
and you are eligible
1371
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:35,522
to become a registered voter.
1372
01:21:35,558 --> 01:21:37,458
Don't have any fear.
1373
01:21:37,493 --> 01:21:39,059
It made us stronger.
1374
01:21:39,095 --> 01:21:41,795
As the time grew, then the
crowds started getting larger.
1375
01:21:41,831 --> 01:21:49,503
(crowd singing)
1376
01:21:49,538 --> 01:21:51,672
HARRIS:
My friends and I, my brothers,
1377
01:21:51,707 --> 01:21:54,541
we would sit on the front pew
at a meeting.
1378
01:21:54,577 --> 01:21:55,943
And our role as young people was
1379
01:21:55,978 --> 01:21:58,112
to stand up in front
of the congregation
1380
01:21:58,147 --> 01:22:00,614
and begin singing freedom songs,
1381
01:22:00,650 --> 01:22:03,517
all a cappella,
clapping our hands.
1382
01:22:03,552 --> 01:22:05,719
And the congregation would be
on its feet
1383
01:22:05,755 --> 01:22:07,721
and they're swaying
from side to side,
1384
01:22:07,757 --> 01:22:09,356
and we're singing
these songs like
1385
01:22:09,392 --> 01:22:12,493
"Ain't Gonna Let Nobody Turn Me
'Round, Oh Freedom."
1386
01:22:14,497 --> 01:22:15,596
JONES:
They would break out and sing,
1387
01:22:15,631 --> 01:22:18,365
¶ This little light of mine ¶
1388
01:22:18,401 --> 01:22:20,701
¶ I'm gonna let it shine... ¶
1389
01:22:20,736 --> 01:22:25,239
CROWD:
¶ I'm gonna let it shine... ¶
1390
01:22:29,378 --> 01:22:33,814
WATKINS:
On my project, the volunteers,
all of them,
1391
01:22:33,849 --> 01:22:36,350
had to go to the mass meetings.
1392
01:22:36,385 --> 01:22:42,523
CROWD:
¶ I'm gonna let it shine,
let it shine, let it shine... ¶
1393
01:22:42,558 --> 01:22:45,125
SIMMONS:
It played for them, I think,
1394
01:22:45,161 --> 01:22:50,364
the same role that it played
for black people.
1395
01:22:50,399 --> 01:22:52,700
Because it was infectious.
1396
01:22:52,735 --> 01:22:54,568
It galvanized you.
1397
01:22:54,603 --> 01:22:57,204
It fortified you.
1398
01:22:57,239 --> 01:23:01,442
It enabled you to go on.
1399
01:23:01,477 --> 01:23:06,046
(crowd singing enthusiastically)
1400
01:23:06,082 --> 01:23:09,283
MILLER:
When you're in a situation
with that much fear
1401
01:23:09,318 --> 01:23:13,020
and every day not knowing
what's going to happen,
1402
01:23:13,055 --> 01:23:14,688
when you're in a mass meeting
1403
01:23:14,724 --> 01:23:18,592
you feel... there's a feeling
of safety,
1404
01:23:18,627 --> 01:23:21,195
there's a feeling of strength.
1405
01:23:21,230 --> 01:23:25,699
Everyone was there
to change things.
1406
01:23:25,735 --> 01:23:28,969
And so when you're
in those mass meetings,
1407
01:23:29,005 --> 01:23:31,205
you really believe you can.
1408
01:23:31,240 --> 01:23:36,577
(crowd continues singing)
1409
01:23:41,617 --> 01:23:42,783
GRAY:
We've organized
1410
01:23:42,818 --> 01:23:45,019
into the Mississippi Freedom
Democratic Party.
1411
01:23:45,054 --> 01:23:47,888
We're holding a Freedom
Registration drive
1412
01:23:47,923 --> 01:23:50,024
throughout the state,
1413
01:23:50,059 --> 01:23:51,592
encouraging every Negro
and white
1414
01:23:51,627 --> 01:23:53,360
who wants a stake
in his political future
1415
01:23:53,396 --> 01:23:57,598
to prove it by getting his name
on a Freedom Registration book.
1416
01:23:57,633 --> 01:24:01,101
CHRIS WILLIAMS:
The word came down from
the office in Jackson that,
1417
01:24:01,137 --> 01:24:04,638
"All right, this has gotta be
the priority."
1418
01:24:04,673 --> 01:24:08,475
Bob Moses said, "We gotta really
concentrate on this,
1419
01:24:08,511 --> 01:24:10,844
"we've got to sign people up
1420
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:12,980
for the Mississippi Freedom
Democratic Party."
1421
01:24:13,015 --> 01:24:17,317
We were going to go
to Atlantic City
1422
01:24:17,353 --> 01:24:20,454
with a delegation
of black Mississippians
1423
01:24:20,489 --> 01:24:22,456
to challenge
the white delegation
1424
01:24:22,491 --> 01:24:26,460
at the Democratic
National Convention.
1425
01:24:26,495 --> 01:24:30,631
ELEANOR HOLMES NORTON:
Our case was pure
and unadulterated exclusion
1426
01:24:30,666 --> 01:24:32,966
and discrimination.
1427
01:24:33,002 --> 01:24:38,705
We regarded the delegation sent
from Mississippi,
1428
01:24:38,741 --> 01:24:41,175
an all-white delegation,
1429
01:24:41,210 --> 01:24:44,278
as illegitimate under the rules
of the Democratic Party,
1430
01:24:44,313 --> 01:24:50,984
and we argued that
our integrated delegation
1431
01:24:51,020 --> 01:24:54,588
from all of the counties
in the state
1432
01:24:54,623 --> 01:24:56,857
should be seated instead.
1433
01:25:02,998 --> 01:25:07,701
PEGGY JEAN CONNOR:
Those students helped us
get people registered.
1434
01:25:07,736 --> 01:25:11,839
We registered thousands of them.
1435
01:25:11,874 --> 01:25:13,474
I guess people were just fed up.
1436
01:25:13,509 --> 01:25:16,610
People were hunting you
to register to vote.
1437
01:25:16,645 --> 01:25:19,246
You didn't have to just go
to their house.
1438
01:25:19,281 --> 01:25:21,348
They wanted to put
their name on.
1439
01:25:24,253 --> 01:25:27,287
WILLIAMS:
Any place people congregated,
we're there with our forms.
1440
01:25:27,323 --> 01:25:29,857
It wasn't complicated
1441
01:25:29,892 --> 01:25:32,526
like the official
voter registration form,
1442
01:25:32,561 --> 01:25:33,994
and it was confidential.
1443
01:25:34,029 --> 01:25:35,762
It wasn't going to pass
through the hands
1444
01:25:35,798 --> 01:25:38,232
of the white people
down at the courthouse.
1445
01:25:38,267 --> 01:25:42,169
We have scheduled precinct
meetings and district caucuses,
1446
01:25:42,204 --> 01:25:45,706
and on August 6 here in Jackson,
1447
01:25:45,741 --> 01:25:48,108
we will hold our
state convention.
1448
01:25:48,144 --> 01:25:51,778
At that time, we will elect
a slate of delegates
1449
01:25:51,814 --> 01:25:53,847
to the national convention
in Atlantic City.
1450
01:25:57,653 --> 01:25:59,653
(lively jazz playing)
1451
01:26:15,571 --> 01:26:18,138
ED KING:
The delegates came
from all over the state.
1452
01:26:18,174 --> 01:26:21,642
Most of the delegates
had never taken part
1453
01:26:21,677 --> 01:26:23,577
in anything like this
in their lifetime.
1454
01:26:31,787 --> 01:26:34,188
PEGGY JEAN CONNOR:
I was happy really, really,
1455
01:26:34,223 --> 01:26:38,792
because I did not think
I would be a delegate.
1456
01:26:38,827 --> 01:26:40,294
I didn't.
1457
01:26:40,329 --> 01:26:46,900
And I was one of the first ones
that they selected.
1458
01:26:50,039 --> 01:26:55,442
(cheering)
1459
01:26:55,477 --> 01:27:01,281
SIMMONS:
It was a wonderful experience
to see these people
1460
01:27:01,317 --> 01:27:05,919
who had been oppressed
and killed
1461
01:27:05,955 --> 01:27:08,889
for trying to register to vote
1462
01:27:08,924 --> 01:27:14,595
taking over
their own destiny.
1463
01:27:14,630 --> 01:27:18,298
For the first time,
doing something that I think
1464
01:27:18,334 --> 01:27:22,336
they'd never imagined
being able to do.
1465
01:27:22,371 --> 01:27:24,271
(banging gavel)
1466
01:27:24,306 --> 01:27:27,874
Will the delegates
please be seated.
1467
01:27:27,910 --> 01:27:30,844
The state convention
for the Freedom Democratic Party
1468
01:27:30,879 --> 01:27:32,312
is now in session.
1469
01:27:32,348 --> 01:27:37,050
KING:
Out of 68 people in the
delegation, four were white.
1470
01:27:37,086 --> 01:27:41,054
The regular delegation
was all white, had no blacks.
1471
01:27:41,090 --> 01:27:44,891
So we are integrated
at that point and they are not.
1472
01:27:44,927 --> 01:27:49,696
BRUCE WATSON:
Joseph Rauh agrees
to be the chief counsel
1473
01:27:49,732 --> 01:27:53,333
for the Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party.
1474
01:27:53,369 --> 01:27:56,136
Rauh is a Washington insider
from way back in the '40s
1475
01:27:56,171 --> 01:27:58,538
and he had worked
with all sorts of liberal causes
1476
01:27:58,574 --> 01:27:59,940
and politicians.
1477
01:27:59,975 --> 01:28:02,709
He was a lawyer for United Auto
Workers and very powerful,
1478
01:28:02,745 --> 01:28:06,346
and that's a great person
to have on your side.
1479
01:28:06,382 --> 01:28:08,081
REPORTER:
Mr. Rauh, what is your dispute
1480
01:28:08,117 --> 01:28:11,351
with the regular Mississippi
Democratic delegion?
1481
01:28:11,387 --> 01:28:12,786
Very simple.
1482
01:28:12,821 --> 01:28:14,454
They are disloyal
to the national party.
1483
01:28:14,490 --> 01:28:16,056
They exclude Negroes
1484
01:28:16,091 --> 01:28:18,425
who would help the national
party from their roles.
1485
01:28:18,460 --> 01:28:20,193
They have engaged
1486
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:23,096
in the terroristic activities
in Mississippi...
1487
01:28:23,132 --> 01:28:26,533
JOHN DITTMER:
The people in Mississippi didn't
know how national politics work.
1488
01:28:26,568 --> 01:28:28,802
They didn't know
how conventions work.
1489
01:28:28,837 --> 01:28:31,471
Rauh did, and he was the one
who said that,
1490
01:28:31,507 --> 01:28:32,973
"I think we can do this."
1491
01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:54,328
SHERWIN MARKMAN:
I can't overstate how seriously
Johnson took this whole thing.
1492
01:28:54,363 --> 01:28:56,963
He believed that Bobby Kennedy,
who was then attorney general,
1493
01:28:56,999 --> 01:29:00,534
was going to use any disruption
at the convention
1494
01:29:00,569 --> 01:29:05,372
as a vehicle to displace him
as the nominee.
1495
01:29:05,407 --> 01:29:07,741
The second thing
he was concerned about is
1496
01:29:07,776 --> 01:29:12,145
he wanted to keep the regular
Southern wing of the party
1497
01:29:12,181 --> 01:29:13,580
in the party,
1498
01:29:13,615 --> 01:29:17,117
that that the whole battle would
cause a split within the party,
1499
01:29:17,152 --> 01:29:20,087
which would drive out
the regular Southern states.
1500
01:29:20,122 --> 01:29:22,489
And he believed that
without the South's support,
1501
01:29:22,524 --> 01:29:24,891
he would lose the election.
1502
01:29:24,927 --> 01:29:30,297
So I was designated to go
to the convention as a delegate
1503
01:29:30,332 --> 01:29:33,100
to make sure
that did not happen.
1504
01:29:35,838 --> 01:29:39,539
CHARLES McLAURIN:
We had Democratic congressmen
from Illinois
1505
01:29:39,575 --> 01:29:42,576
and from other states.
1506
01:29:42,611 --> 01:29:46,880
The Democratic Party was the
party of Adam Clayton Powell,
1507
01:29:46,915 --> 01:29:50,851
so we felt we had
an inroad there.
1508
01:29:50,886 --> 01:29:52,853
If they let us state our case,
1509
01:29:52,888 --> 01:29:55,822
we would be seated.
1510
01:29:55,858 --> 01:29:57,758
¶ Get on board! ¶
1511
01:29:57,793 --> 01:30:01,628
¶ Children, children,
get on board ¶
1512
01:30:01,663 --> 01:30:05,031
¶ Children, children,
let's fight for human rights ¶
1513
01:30:05,067 --> 01:30:10,237
¶ I hear those mobs a-howling
and coming 'round the square ¶
1514
01:30:10,272 --> 01:30:12,272
¶ Trying to catch
those freedom fighters ¶
1515
01:30:12,307 --> 01:30:14,040
¶ But we're gonna
meet you there ¶
1516
01:30:14,076 --> 01:30:16,443
¶ Get on board,
children, children ¶
1517
01:30:16,478 --> 01:30:18,445
¶ Get on board, children,
children ¶
1518
01:30:18,480 --> 01:30:21,081
¶ Get on board,
children, children ¶
1519
01:30:21,116 --> 01:30:23,483
¶ Let's fight
for human rights... ¶
1520
01:30:23,519 --> 01:30:29,489
McLAURIN:
I think that trip must have
taken... I guess, 20 hours.
1521
01:30:29,525 --> 01:30:31,892
I'm not sure;
it was a long trip.
1522
01:30:31,927 --> 01:30:35,695
But the mood on the bus
was upbeat.
1523
01:30:35,731 --> 01:30:38,265
Here we are
going to Atlantic City
1524
01:30:38,300 --> 01:30:45,605
to unseat the people who had
denied us the right to vote.
1525
01:30:45,641 --> 01:30:49,242
So it was really
a jubilant time to me.
1526
01:30:49,278 --> 01:30:53,013
We stepped out into a new world.
1527
01:30:53,048 --> 01:30:57,517
(band playing marching tune)
1528
01:31:01,990 --> 01:31:04,724
REPORTER:
On Monday, the 1964
Democratic National Convention
1529
01:31:04,760 --> 01:31:06,593
will open here in Atlantic City,
1530
01:31:06,628 --> 01:31:08,595
a resort 100 miles south
of New York.
1531
01:31:08,630 --> 01:31:11,898
The job will be to nominate
President Lyndon B. Johnson
1532
01:31:11,934 --> 01:31:14,801
as the man to take on
Senator Barry Goldwater
1533
01:31:14,837 --> 01:31:16,736
in the presidential election
battle in November.
1534
01:31:16,772 --> 01:31:19,139
Known as Convention City
1535
01:31:19,174 --> 01:31:21,641
and home of the Miss America
contest,
1536
01:31:21,677 --> 01:31:24,478
Atlantic City can now
claim the honor
1537
01:31:24,513 --> 01:31:27,647
of a national
political convention.
1538
01:31:36,925 --> 01:31:42,863
WILLIAMS:
These people were beauticians
and farmers and mechanics
1539
01:31:42,898 --> 01:31:49,536
and they had kind of baggy,
worn suits
1540
01:31:49,571 --> 01:31:52,706
and funny looking dresses
in some cases.
1541
01:31:52,741 --> 01:31:57,511
They weren't slick like
the rest of the delegates were,
1542
01:31:57,546 --> 01:32:01,047
so people weren't quite sure
what to make of these people.
1543
01:32:04,620 --> 01:32:08,221
FANNIE LOU HAMER:
We believe that we will
be seated in this convention
1544
01:32:08,257 --> 01:32:10,223
because it is right.
1545
01:32:10,259 --> 01:32:13,026
When you tell the truth, you
don't have anything to hide.
1546
01:32:13,061 --> 01:32:14,861
KING:
Outside the convention hall,
1547
01:32:14,897 --> 01:32:19,766
we had a vigil,
went on 24 hours
1548
01:32:19,801 --> 01:32:22,702
every day that the convention
was in session.
1549
01:32:22,738 --> 01:32:26,239
KARIN KUNSTLER:
It was, you know, great for us
1550
01:32:26,275 --> 01:32:29,075
who had spent time
in Mississippi to see
1551
01:32:29,111 --> 01:32:31,144
not only people
from Mississippi there
1552
01:32:31,179 --> 01:32:32,479
and not only volunteers there,
1553
01:32:32,514 --> 01:32:36,783
but larger groups of people
who came from all over
1554
01:32:36,818 --> 01:32:38,485
to support the Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party.
1555
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:42,789
I know the Boardwalk
was covered with people.
1556
01:32:42,824 --> 01:32:44,858
I think it was hard
to walk down the Boardwalk
1557
01:32:44,893 --> 01:32:48,461
because there was so many of us.
1558
01:32:48,497 --> 01:32:54,968
¶ Go tell it on the mountain,
over the hills and everywhere ¶
1559
01:32:55,003 --> 01:33:02,375
¶ Go tell it on the mountain
to let my people go... ¶
1560
01:33:02,411 --> 01:33:04,311
RITA SCHWERNER:
The whole notion
1561
01:33:04,346 --> 01:33:07,314
of the demonstration
out on the Boardwalk
1562
01:33:07,349 --> 01:33:11,318
and the MFDP challenge
1563
01:33:11,353 --> 01:33:17,190
was all by way
of trying to use the attention
1564
01:33:17,225 --> 01:33:19,559
that would be focused
on the convention
1565
01:33:19,595 --> 01:33:23,363
to say to the country,
"Look at Mississippi.
1566
01:33:23,398 --> 01:33:26,299
"Look at what is going on there.
1567
01:33:26,335 --> 01:33:32,672
You cannot allow this
to continue."
1568
01:33:32,708 --> 01:33:40,246
¶ Go tell it on the mountain
to let my people go. ¶
1569
01:33:49,358 --> 01:33:53,126
NORTON:
We had to go to the delegations
from the various states
1570
01:33:53,161 --> 01:33:56,663
to make a case that had
never been made before:
1571
01:33:56,698 --> 01:33:59,232
that an official delegation
1572
01:33:59,267 --> 01:34:03,370
that came from a state
should not be recognized,
1573
01:34:03,405 --> 01:34:06,973
and an entire
challenge delegation
1574
01:34:07,009 --> 01:34:09,142
should be recognized
in its place.
1575
01:34:09,177 --> 01:34:12,979
MARKMAN:
They were very confident
coming to the convention.
1576
01:34:13,015 --> 01:34:15,315
They had every reason
to be confident.
1577
01:34:15,350 --> 01:34:18,284
The Mississippi Freedom Party
had morality on their side,
1578
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:21,554
which is a powerful force
in politics.
1579
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:24,157
So this was a revolution
that they were starting
1580
01:34:24,192 --> 01:34:25,759
within the Democratic Party.
1581
01:34:25,794 --> 01:34:28,028
REPORTER:
Mr. Rauh, when will
the fight come, and how?
1582
01:34:28,063 --> 01:34:29,629
Well, the fight comes this way.
1583
01:34:29,665 --> 01:34:32,465
On Saturday afternoon,
there will be a hearing
1584
01:34:32,501 --> 01:34:33,800
before the credentials
committee,
1585
01:34:33,835 --> 01:34:37,437
and we will present our case.
1586
01:34:37,472 --> 01:34:41,041
DITTMER:
This was before the convention
actually formally met.
1587
01:34:41,076 --> 01:34:46,146
These 108 people would listen
to the Freedom Democrats,
1588
01:34:46,181 --> 01:34:50,250
then if 11, only 11 members
of that committee
1589
01:34:50,285 --> 01:34:52,819
would file a minority report,
1590
01:34:52,854 --> 01:34:57,090
that would mean that it would go
to the convention floor.
1591
01:34:57,125 --> 01:35:00,193
In front of a national
television audience,
1592
01:35:00,228 --> 01:35:02,896
why, the Freedom
Democrats would win
1593
01:35:02,931 --> 01:35:05,799
because their case,
of course, was so strong.
1594
01:35:05,834 --> 01:35:08,268
REPORTER:
Are you hoping that
President Johnson
1595
01:35:08,303 --> 01:35:10,537
will come out on the side
of your party?
1596
01:35:10,572 --> 01:35:12,205
RAUH:
No, I think that'd be a mistake.
1597
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,241
I think it would be a mistake
for the president to take sides,
1598
01:35:15,277 --> 01:35:16,843
even our side.
1599
01:35:16,878 --> 01:35:19,412
All we ask for
is benevolent neutrality,
1600
01:35:19,448 --> 01:35:22,582
by which I mean real,
honest-to-goodness neutrality.
1601
01:35:42,204 --> 01:35:44,504
TAYLOR BRANCH:
Lyndon Johnson literally
was so fearful
1602
01:35:44,539 --> 01:35:46,306
that the convention
was going to blow up
1603
01:35:46,341 --> 01:35:48,641
that he essentially went to bed
for two or three days
1604
01:35:48,677 --> 01:35:52,078
and had what amounted
to a nervous breakdown.
1605
01:35:52,114 --> 01:35:57,317
He told his closest advisors
and his closest friends
1606
01:35:57,352 --> 01:36:00,386
that he was going to quit, that
he couldn't take the pressure.
1607
01:36:21,910 --> 01:36:23,943
DITTMER:
The testimony before
the credentials committee,
1608
01:36:23,979 --> 01:36:26,679
the FDP had a lineup
of very different people.
1609
01:36:26,715 --> 01:36:29,382
They had Rita Schwerner,
the widow of Mickey,
1610
01:36:29,417 --> 01:36:31,184
who had been killed
in Neshoba County.
1611
01:36:31,219 --> 01:36:33,486
They had Martin Luther King.
1612
01:36:33,522 --> 01:36:36,222
Everybody knew King.
1613
01:36:36,258 --> 01:36:38,057
The seating of the delegation
1614
01:36:38,093 --> 01:36:41,094
from the Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party
1615
01:36:41,129 --> 01:36:44,898
has political
and moral significance
1616
01:36:44,933 --> 01:36:49,302
far beyond the borders
of Mississippi,
1617
01:36:49,337 --> 01:36:51,304
of the halls
of this convention.
1618
01:36:53,341 --> 01:36:55,775
DITTMER:
But the highlight
of the testimony
1619
01:36:55,811 --> 01:36:57,744
was that of Fannie Lou Hamer,
1620
01:36:57,779 --> 01:37:01,247
the sharecropper who had been
evicted from her plantation
1621
01:37:01,283 --> 01:37:04,083
and had come to symbolize
the Mississippi movement.
1622
01:37:04,119 --> 01:37:08,788
HAMER:
Mr. Chairman, and to
the credentials committee.
1623
01:37:08,824 --> 01:37:13,626
It was the 31st
of August in 1962
1624
01:37:13,662 --> 01:37:17,230
that 18 of us traveled 26 miles
1625
01:37:17,265 --> 01:37:20,466
to the county courthouse
in Indianola
1626
01:37:20,502 --> 01:37:24,838
to try to register to become
first-class citizens.
1627
01:37:24,873 --> 01:37:29,442
We was met in Indianola
by policemen....
1628
01:37:29,477 --> 01:37:31,978
BOB MOSES:
The president, Lyndon Johnson,
1629
01:37:32,013 --> 01:37:37,617
he's not afraid of Martin
Luther King's testimony.
1630
01:37:37,652 --> 01:37:40,453
He's afraid of Fannie
Lou Hamer's testimony.
1631
01:37:40,488 --> 01:37:43,623
And so he decides
that the country
1632
01:37:43,658 --> 01:37:45,892
should not see her testify live.
1633
01:37:45,927 --> 01:37:48,561
BRANCH:
Johnson is in the White House
1634
01:37:48,597 --> 01:37:51,598
and he convened an impromptu
press conference.
1635
01:37:51,633 --> 01:37:53,800
We will return to this scene
in Atlantic City,
1636
01:37:53,835 --> 01:37:57,337
but now we switch to the White
House and NBC's Robert Goralski.
1637
01:37:57,372 --> 01:38:00,907
Now, ladies and gentleman, the
president of the United States.
1638
01:38:00,942 --> 01:38:04,244
On this day nine months ago...
1639
01:38:04,279 --> 01:38:07,580
BRANCH:
He did it knowing that
they would break away,
1640
01:38:07,616 --> 01:38:09,282
thinking he might announce
1641
01:38:09,317 --> 01:38:11,451
who his choice of vice president
was going to be.
1642
01:38:11,486 --> 01:38:13,720
Instead he gets up there
and he announces--
1643
01:38:13,755 --> 01:38:17,857
get this-- he announces that
it's nine months to the day
1644
01:38:17,893 --> 01:38:21,961
since Governor Connally,
who was there, was shot
1645
01:38:21,997 --> 01:38:23,630
along with President Kennedy.
1646
01:38:23,665 --> 01:38:25,798
So he announced
a nine-month anniversary.
1647
01:38:25,834 --> 01:38:27,567
Everybody's scratching
their heads.
1648
01:38:27,602 --> 01:38:29,836
Thank you very much.
1649
01:38:29,871 --> 01:38:32,805
BRANCH:
And then he leaves.
1650
01:38:32,841 --> 01:38:36,042
By that time, Fannie Lou Hamer's
testimony was over.
1651
01:38:36,077 --> 01:38:40,546
(applause)
1652
01:38:40,582 --> 01:38:43,316
However, it backfired on Johnson
because it became a story
1653
01:38:43,351 --> 01:38:45,652
that she had been
taken off television.
1654
01:38:45,687 --> 01:38:48,988
And in the news that night
and for days afterwards,
1655
01:38:49,024 --> 01:38:50,823
they replayed her testimony.
1656
01:38:50,859 --> 01:38:56,896
HAMER:
I was carried to the county jail
and put in the booking room.
1657
01:38:56,932 --> 01:39:00,800
They left some of the people
in the booking room
1658
01:39:00,835 --> 01:39:04,137
and began to place us in cells.
1659
01:39:04,172 --> 01:39:08,207
MOSES:
She had Mississippi
in her bones.
1660
01:39:08,243 --> 01:39:10,610
Martin Luther King
or the SNCC field secretaries,
1661
01:39:10,645 --> 01:39:13,880
they couldn't do
what Fannie Lou Hamer did.
1662
01:39:13,915 --> 01:39:17,717
They couldn't be a sharecropper
1663
01:39:17,752 --> 01:39:22,388
and express
what it meant, right?
1664
01:39:22,424 --> 01:39:27,226
And that's what
Fannie Lou Hamer did.
1665
01:39:27,262 --> 01:39:32,065
HAMER:
And it wasn't too long before
three white men came to my cell.
1666
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:36,569
One of these men was
a state highway patrolman.
1667
01:39:36,604 --> 01:39:39,138
He said, "We going to make you
wish you was dead."
1668
01:39:39,174 --> 01:39:40,773
I was carried out...
1669
01:39:40,809 --> 01:39:42,241
LARRY RUBIN:
I was in Mississippi
1670
01:39:42,277 --> 01:39:45,044
watching it on television
with local people.
1671
01:39:45,080 --> 01:39:50,817
This was a transformative moment
for the folks in that room.
1672
01:39:50,852 --> 01:39:55,521
This was the first time
1673
01:39:55,557 --> 01:39:59,892
that they ever had seen
one of their own,
1674
01:39:59,928 --> 01:40:02,428
a black Mississippian
who they all knew,
1675
01:40:02,464 --> 01:40:04,931
first of all, on television,
1676
01:40:04,966 --> 01:40:10,336
secondly, standing up
for their rights.
1677
01:40:10,372 --> 01:40:14,073
I began to scream,
and one white man got up
1678
01:40:14,109 --> 01:40:18,011
and began to beat me in my head
and tell me to hush.
1679
01:40:18,046 --> 01:40:22,915
CHARLIE COBB:
You listen to Mrs. Hamer
and you're absolutely convinced
1680
01:40:22,951 --> 01:40:26,619
that there's absolutely
no justification
1681
01:40:26,654 --> 01:40:30,189
for seating this
all-white delegation.
1682
01:40:30,225 --> 01:40:31,758
HAMER:
And if the Freedom
Democratic Party
1683
01:40:31,793 --> 01:40:36,362
is not seated now,
I question America.
1684
01:40:36,398 --> 01:40:38,664
Is this America?
1685
01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:41,868
The land of the free
and the home of the brave?
1686
01:40:41,903 --> 01:40:47,140
Where we have to sleep with our
telephones off of the hook
1687
01:40:47,175 --> 01:40:50,643
because our lives
be threatened daily.
1688
01:40:50,678 --> 01:40:56,015
Because we want to live as
decent human beings in America.
1689
01:40:56,051 --> 01:40:57,717
Thank you.
1690
01:40:57,752 --> 01:41:02,055
(applause)
1691
01:41:02,090 --> 01:41:04,424
REPORTER:
That testimony, offered
in public session last Saturday,
1692
01:41:04,459 --> 01:41:06,959
we are told had
the greatest impact
1693
01:41:06,995 --> 01:41:09,996
on the women members
of the credentials committee
1694
01:41:10,031 --> 01:41:11,330
and it is from among them
1695
01:41:11,366 --> 01:41:12,999
that a sufficient number
has been found
1696
01:41:13,034 --> 01:41:14,467
to make a minority report
possible.
1697
01:41:16,137 --> 01:41:18,104
EDITH GREEN:
The Freedom Democratic Party
1698
01:41:18,139 --> 01:41:19,739
has done everything
in its power,
1699
01:41:19,774 --> 01:41:21,574
as I listen to the testimony,
1700
01:41:21,609 --> 01:41:25,812
to abide by the laws and rules
of Mississippi.
1701
01:41:25,847 --> 01:41:28,414
I think they ought to be seated
in this convention.
1702
01:41:28,450 --> 01:41:29,982
I think they represent
1703
01:41:30,018 --> 01:41:33,186
about 50% of the population
of Mississippi,
1704
01:41:33,221 --> 01:41:34,987
all the Negroes in Mississippi
1705
01:41:35,023 --> 01:41:37,623
who are excluded from voting
and participation
1706
01:41:37,659 --> 01:41:39,659
in the regular Democratic Party.
1707
01:41:39,694 --> 01:41:43,796
And I think certainly, they're
entitled to representation.
1708
01:41:53,541 --> 01:41:55,708
COBB:
There was a lot of sympathy
1709
01:41:55,743 --> 01:42:00,346
for seating this Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party.
1710
01:42:00,381 --> 01:42:02,381
But once you see
that Lyndon Johnson
1711
01:42:02,417 --> 01:42:08,254
has shut down Mrs. Hamer
during her live testimony,
1712
01:42:08,289 --> 01:42:11,724
you can't help but wonder,
"What else is he going to do?
1713
01:42:11,759 --> 01:42:16,796
"And how are these delegates
going to respond
1714
01:42:16,831 --> 01:42:19,665
when there's real pressure
placed on them?"
1715
01:42:49,664 --> 01:42:51,864
DITTMER:
People who were
on the credentials committee
1716
01:42:51,900 --> 01:42:54,734
who were listed
as being supportive
1717
01:42:54,769 --> 01:42:57,737
of the challenge found that...
1718
01:42:57,772 --> 01:42:59,705
In one case, a woman said,
1719
01:42:59,741 --> 01:43:02,575
"Well, your husband isn't
going to get that judgeship."
1720
01:43:02,610 --> 01:43:06,112
There was other pressure
applied throughout.
1721
01:43:06,147 --> 01:43:08,714
So what had appeared
to be a certainty
1722
01:43:08,750 --> 01:43:11,918
became less and less certain.
1723
01:43:11,953 --> 01:43:14,086
WATSON:
Johnson was using everything
he possibly could
1724
01:43:14,122 --> 01:43:17,657
to keep this challenge at bay.
1725
01:43:17,692 --> 01:43:19,292
Hubert Humphrey,
1726
01:43:19,327 --> 01:43:21,627
he was slated to be
the vice-presidential nominee
1727
01:43:21,663 --> 01:43:23,296
and yet Johnson told him,
1728
01:43:23,331 --> 01:43:25,631
"You will not be
the vice-presidential nominee
1729
01:43:25,667 --> 01:43:28,401
if you can't fix
this Mississippi problem."
1730
01:43:31,172 --> 01:43:32,638
He called Walter Reuther,
1731
01:43:32,674 --> 01:43:34,307
his old friend with the United
Auto Workers,
1732
01:43:34,342 --> 01:43:35,708
and Joe Rauh, his old friend,
1733
01:43:35,743 --> 01:43:38,244
sent him to Atlantic City
on a red-eye flight to work,
1734
01:43:38,279 --> 01:43:40,546
and they began to manipulate
and pull strings.
1735
01:44:01,069 --> 01:44:03,836
WATSON:
Walter Reuther was the chairman
of the United Auto Workers,
1736
01:44:03,871 --> 01:44:05,071
at that time certainly
1737
01:44:05,106 --> 01:44:07,807
one of the most powerful unions
in America.
1738
01:44:07,842 --> 01:44:09,609
He was Joe Rauh's boss,
1739
01:44:09,644 --> 01:44:11,877
and Joe Rauh was the counsel
for the United Auto Workers.
1740
01:44:11,913 --> 01:44:15,982
MARKMAN:
Reuther came to Rauh
and made this threat:
1741
01:44:16,017 --> 01:44:19,819
"You either buy this compromise
1742
01:44:19,854 --> 01:44:22,588
or you're no longer
counsel of the UAW."
1743
01:44:22,624 --> 01:44:24,924
And it worked.
1744
01:44:40,708 --> 01:44:44,443
REPORTER:
Late this afternoon,
a compromise offer came
1745
01:44:44,479 --> 01:44:47,046
or the compromise
announcement came
1746
01:44:47,081 --> 01:44:49,181
in a special meeting
of the credentials committee
1747
01:44:49,217 --> 01:44:50,516
here in the auditorium.
1748
01:44:50,551 --> 01:44:53,719
Walter Mondale, who's chairman
of the subcommittee
1749
01:44:53,755 --> 01:44:57,690
that drew it up,
gave the details.
1750
01:44:57,725 --> 01:45:00,326
We recommend that the convention
1751
01:45:00,361 --> 01:45:02,628
instruct the Democratic
National Committee...
1752
01:45:02,664 --> 01:45:06,299
MARKMAN:
The compromise that was
ultimately reached was
1753
01:45:06,334 --> 01:45:09,302
we would give them two seats
1754
01:45:09,337 --> 01:45:12,972
and the official
Mississippi delegation
1755
01:45:13,007 --> 01:45:17,109
would keep its 68 seats.
1756
01:45:17,145 --> 01:45:20,613
Someone came in and said,
1757
01:45:20,648 --> 01:45:24,917
"They have offered us
a compromise."
1758
01:45:28,690 --> 01:45:32,958
And at that point,
some of us that was there
1759
01:45:32,994 --> 01:45:36,562
jumped up and said,
"Oh, hell no."
1760
01:45:40,501 --> 01:45:45,571
McLAURIN:
We didn't come all the way here
to Atlantic City for two seats.
1761
01:45:45,606 --> 01:45:49,241
We came to unseat them,
to come back to Mississippi
1762
01:45:49,277 --> 01:45:53,012
representing
the Democratic Party.
1763
01:45:53,047 --> 01:45:56,082
REPORTER:
Last night,
Congressman Adam Clayton Powell
1764
01:45:56,117 --> 01:45:59,418
of New York City
came by our CBS News studios,
1765
01:45:59,454 --> 01:46:01,987
and I talked with him.
1766
01:46:02,023 --> 01:46:04,023
You would recommend that
they accept that compromise?
1767
01:46:04,058 --> 01:46:06,092
Oh yes, very definitely.
1768
01:46:06,127 --> 01:46:11,864
PEGGY JEAN CONNOR:
Adam Clayton Powell,
he came and telling us that,
1769
01:46:11,899 --> 01:46:14,100
"You all got to do this.
1770
01:46:14,135 --> 01:46:15,568
"This is politics.
1771
01:46:15,603 --> 01:46:21,040
You give and you take
and you compromise."
1772
01:46:21,075 --> 01:46:23,943
The black establishment
just couldn't comprehend
1773
01:46:23,978 --> 01:46:26,779
that this group of people--
1774
01:46:26,814 --> 01:46:31,984
these sharecroppers, these
maids, these small farmers,
1775
01:46:32,019 --> 01:46:35,221
these people from Mississippi
backcountry--
1776
01:46:35,256 --> 01:46:38,824
would walk away from what these
generous white people offered.
1777
01:46:38,860 --> 01:46:41,127
They couldn't understand that.
1778
01:46:41,162 --> 01:46:47,600
PEGGY JEAN CONNOR:
Adam Clayton Powell
didn't know Fannie Lou.
1779
01:46:47,635 --> 01:46:50,336
And he walked up to her
and he said,
1780
01:46:50,371 --> 01:46:53,839
"You don't know
who I am, do you?"
1781
01:46:53,875 --> 01:46:56,575
And she just reared back
in her seat and said,
1782
01:46:56,611 --> 01:46:58,844
"Yeah, I know who you are.
1783
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:02,381
You are Adam Clayton Powell."
1784
01:47:02,417 --> 01:47:08,587
She said, "But how many bales
of cotton have you picked?
1785
01:47:08,623 --> 01:47:14,160
How many beatings
have you taken?"
1786
01:47:14,195 --> 01:47:16,095
He couldn't say nothing.
1787
01:47:19,734 --> 01:47:22,034
Well, here's a piece of tape
made a minute or two ago
1788
01:47:22,069 --> 01:47:26,439
at the Union Baptist Temple
in Atlantic City,
1789
01:47:26,474 --> 01:47:28,307
a meeting of the Freedom
Democrat Party
1790
01:47:28,342 --> 01:47:30,342
to consider this compromise.
1791
01:47:30,378 --> 01:47:36,215
AARON HENRY:
The delegates of the Mississippi
Freedom Democratic Party
1792
01:47:36,250 --> 01:47:39,985
has just voted unanimously
to reject the proposal
1793
01:47:40,021 --> 01:47:42,955
that has been offered
by the credentials committee.
1794
01:47:56,637 --> 01:47:59,071
DENNIS:
We missed a golden opportunity,
this country did,
1795
01:47:59,106 --> 01:48:01,373
to come out and show the world
1796
01:48:01,409 --> 01:48:03,042
what a democracy
really should look like
1797
01:48:03,077 --> 01:48:07,313
and how this country would
stand for and protect people
1798
01:48:07,348 --> 01:48:09,582
who were fighting
for the Constitution
1799
01:48:09,617 --> 01:48:11,650
of the United States of America.
1800
01:48:11,686 --> 01:48:14,653
They walked us right up
to the doorsteps
1801
01:48:14,689 --> 01:48:17,823
and then slammed the door.
1802
01:48:17,859 --> 01:48:21,861
(crowd cheering)
1803
01:48:21,896 --> 01:48:23,929
The Honorable Lyndon B. Johnson
is nominated by acclimation
1804
01:48:23,965 --> 01:48:25,164
as our candidate
1805
01:48:25,199 --> 01:48:27,399
for the office of president
of the United States.
1806
01:48:27,435 --> 01:48:29,668
(cheering)
1807
01:48:29,704 --> 01:48:31,704
The convention went
as Johnson wanted.
1808
01:48:31,739 --> 01:48:33,906
He appeared in the great cheers
and hurrahs
1809
01:48:33,941 --> 01:48:36,675
and standing ovations,
1810
01:48:36,711 --> 01:48:39,512
and he was a happy president
of the United States.
1811
01:48:39,547 --> 01:48:42,515
Hubert Humphrey got rewarded,
1812
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:46,619
he was selected as vice
president, and that was that.
1813
01:48:51,893 --> 01:48:55,127
McLAURIN:
I felt bad that
we had not unseated
1814
01:48:55,162 --> 01:48:57,596
the Mississippi delegation.
1815
01:48:57,632 --> 01:49:00,232
But Fannie Lou and I came home
1816
01:49:00,268 --> 01:49:05,437
with the feeling that our
mission had not ended.
1817
01:49:05,473 --> 01:49:10,442
We were coming home to continue
to fight for the right to vote.
1818
01:49:10,478 --> 01:49:16,148
We were charged because
we had stuff back here to do.
1819
01:49:19,320 --> 01:49:24,123
Under this act, if any county
anywhere in this nation
1820
01:49:24,158 --> 01:49:27,259
does not want
federal intervention,
1821
01:49:27,295 --> 01:49:34,166
it need only open its polling
places to all of its people.
1822
01:49:34,201 --> 01:49:36,468
WATSON:
The Voting Rights Act of 1965
1823
01:49:36,504 --> 01:49:38,070
actually got its birth
during Freedom Summer.
1824
01:49:38,105 --> 01:49:41,073
It was signed in August of 1965,
1825
01:49:41,108 --> 01:49:43,242
and one of the most
important things it did
1826
01:49:43,277 --> 01:49:46,779
was it abolished literacy tests,
1827
01:49:46,814 --> 01:49:49,214
and it put voting
in seven Southern states
1828
01:49:49,250 --> 01:49:51,050
under federal supervision.
1829
01:49:51,085 --> 01:49:53,786
And that above all else,
the legacy of Freedom Summer
1830
01:49:53,821 --> 01:49:56,088
really, really changed
American politics.
1831
01:49:56,123 --> 01:49:57,756
By the end of 1965,
1832
01:49:57,792 --> 01:50:02,127
60% of blacks in Mississippi
were registered to vote.
1833
01:50:04,966 --> 01:50:08,801
JULIAN BOND:
There's this great pressure
within the movement,
1834
01:50:08,836 --> 01:50:10,636
people saying,
"Well, we did our best.
1835
01:50:10,671 --> 01:50:13,672
"We did the right thing
and it didn't work out.
1836
01:50:13,708 --> 01:50:16,609
"You know, when we were
organizers, that was okay.
1837
01:50:16,644 --> 01:50:20,946
"But when we tried
to have power,
1838
01:50:20,982 --> 01:50:22,715
the power rose up
and knocked us down."
1839
01:50:28,389 --> 01:50:31,023
After the convention,
the movement changes.
1840
01:50:31,058 --> 01:50:34,159
There's this movement
toward Black Nationalism
1841
01:50:34,195 --> 01:50:36,061
which grows in SNNC.
1842
01:50:36,097 --> 01:50:38,731
There is just an idea
1843
01:50:38,766 --> 01:50:40,833
of thinking about
what we've been doing
1844
01:50:40,868 --> 01:50:42,635
and doing something else,
something different.
1845
01:50:42,670 --> 01:50:44,303
We want black power!
1846
01:50:44,338 --> 01:50:45,404
CROWD:
Black power!
1847
01:50:45,439 --> 01:50:46,605
We want black power!
1848
01:50:46,641 --> 01:50:47,706
CROWD:
Black power!
1849
01:50:47,742 --> 01:50:48,874
We want black power!
1850
01:50:48,909 --> 01:50:50,009
CROWD:
Black power!
1851
01:50:50,044 --> 01:50:51,076
We want black power!
1852
01:50:51,112 --> 01:50:51,977
CROWD:
Black power!
1853
01:50:52,013 --> 01:50:53,345
We want black power!
1854
01:50:55,716 --> 01:50:59,551
MILLER:
When I was leaving Mississippi,
I did not want to go.
1855
01:50:59,587 --> 01:51:02,221
You know, you fall in love
with the people.
1856
01:51:02,256 --> 01:51:03,989
You fall in love
with that community,
1857
01:51:04,025 --> 01:51:06,592
that wholeness that you have
when you're working
1858
01:51:06,627 --> 01:51:09,828
as a part of something
that's meaningful.
1859
01:51:09,864 --> 01:51:12,264
To know that you're
just going back
1860
01:51:12,299 --> 01:51:17,569
to... a pretty staid life
1861
01:51:17,605 --> 01:51:19,271
was very, very hard.
1862
01:51:23,310 --> 01:51:25,744
WILLIAMS:
I hope, sincerely hope
1863
01:51:25,780 --> 01:51:28,313
that I made some
small difference
1864
01:51:28,349 --> 01:51:33,652
in moving the movement forward
in rural Mississippi,
1865
01:51:33,688 --> 01:51:35,654
of lifting the oppression
1866
01:51:35,690 --> 01:51:38,891
off the necks of people
who lived there.
1867
01:51:38,926 --> 01:51:41,860
But I don't have any doubt
all these years later
1868
01:51:41,896 --> 01:51:43,796
that the person
who benefited the most
1869
01:51:43,831 --> 01:51:47,299
from my being in Mississippi
was me.
1870
01:51:53,307 --> 01:51:58,277
I have an experience that's
unique among white Americans
1871
01:51:58,312 --> 01:52:01,814
of an understanding of race
1872
01:52:01,849 --> 01:52:05,818
that is impossible to get
hardly any other way.
1873
01:52:11,058 --> 01:52:12,925
HARRIS:
The system, the Jim Crow system,
1874
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:15,027
had told me to stay
in my place.
1875
01:52:15,062 --> 01:52:16,261
It had told me that,
1876
01:52:16,297 --> 01:52:18,564
"You have a role to play
in Jim Crow society.
1877
01:52:18,599 --> 01:52:19,898
Play it well."
1878
01:52:19,934 --> 01:52:23,335
And I had played it well,
so did many other black people,
1879
01:52:23,370 --> 01:52:25,604
but now Freedom Summer
was telling us,
1880
01:52:25,639 --> 01:52:28,540
"You don't have to play
that role anymore, folks.
1881
01:52:28,576 --> 01:52:30,509
"You are now on the path.
1882
01:52:30,544 --> 01:52:33,345
"It's going to be
a tough struggle
1883
01:52:33,380 --> 01:52:35,047
"for children, for adults,
1884
01:52:35,082 --> 01:52:36,749
"for everybody
involved in the movement,
1885
01:52:36,784 --> 01:52:38,383
"it's going to be tough.
1886
01:52:38,419 --> 01:52:41,386
But that train has left
the station, y'all."
1887
01:52:57,638 --> 01:53:00,172
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