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Oh, I didn't pay.
Can you pay here?
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Oh, my gosh.
It took my card.
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You might want
to go back, dude.
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So today I'm getting filmed
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about my job at CIA.
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I know you-you were,
um, studying
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about Afghanistan and--
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All the wars.
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All the wars,
and you, um, were a spy.
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I worked with spies.
It's true.
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I'll never feel like
an Afghanistan expert.
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The war, it's so complex.
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It's almost been cyclical with
our U.S. government as well.
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What is the mission?
What is the goal there?
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♪ Soft music ♪
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And I got to know Afghans.
I worked with Afghans.
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I'm a woman, a mother.
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My heart hurts
for these people
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because I just don't see
how this ends.
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♪♪♪
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After the extraordinary
sacrifice
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of blood and treasure,
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the American people are weary
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of the longest war
in American history.
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This year we will bring
America's longest war
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to a responsible end.
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I want the Afghan people
to understand--
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America seeks an end to this
era of war and suffering.
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We know from the history
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of military conflict
in Afghanistan,
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it's been one
of initial success
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followed by long years
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of floundering
and ultimate failure.
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We're not gonna repeat
that mistake.
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We welcome the distinguished
interim leader
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of a liberated Afghanistan,
Chairman Hamid Karzai.
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Osama bin Laden publicly vowed
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to wage a terrorist war
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against America
from Afghanistan.
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This will be a long
ongoing struggle
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between freedom
and fanaticism.
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Our
commitment to the people there
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would lead
to a peaceful Afghanistan
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with no more bloodbaths.
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The goal of the United States
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remains a genuinely
independent Afghanistan,
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free from
external interference.
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Massive Soviet military forces
have invaded
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the small sovereign nation
of Afghanistan.
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History teaches
that aggression unopposed
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becomes a contagious disease.
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♪♪♪
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I grew up thinking Afghanistan
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was the biggest country
in the world,
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the most beautiful country
in the world,
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the most developed country
in the world,
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with a huge passion
for my country
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because it was very much
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the same, uh, thing
my father shared.
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♪♪♪
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In a very romantic way,
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my father was always talking
about the Afghanistan
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that he had experienced.
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They would go on the weekends
to restaurants.
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They would take a walk
in the park.
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But these were all those, uh,
fairy tales to us.
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Mm, we never experienced
Afghanistan that way.
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♪♪♪
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One thing in common about many
of these fights in my country
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is that, unfortunately,
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it's our soil that is
being used for various wars
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between the global powers.
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♪♪♪
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The world
simply cannot stand by
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and permit the Soviet Union
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to commit this act
with impunity.
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The Soviets killed about
ten percent of the population.
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It was a genocide,
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and the military was not
doing anything about it,
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but I heard
that, uh, the agency did.
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The CIA director says,
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"I want you to go out there
and win this."
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I was the
Washington Post correspondent
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in, uh, South Asia,
so the Afghan War
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was pretty much
the biggest story on my beat.
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Pakistan had
an immediate refugee flow.
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They went to their ally,
the United States, and said,
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"We've got all these rebels
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who are coming into our country
as refugees.
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They want to liberate
their country
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from Soviet occupation.
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We, the Pakistan government,
are inclined to help them,
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but we could use
your support as well."
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And so we were told
to get busy
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and try to figure out
what was happening
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with these guys
called the mujahideen.
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People knew that the CIA
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was supporting the Afghans.
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They could never know how.
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So we then decided
we would use the Pakistanis
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as our surrogates
to support the mujahideen.
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Speaking native language
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The Soviet presence
in Afghanistan
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is a major impediment
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to improved
U.S.-Soviet relations,
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and we would like
to remove it.
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We were putting in
a variety of weapons systems
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into the hands
of the mujahideen.
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The United States
started to provide
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these Stinger
antiaircraft missiles
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to equip the rebels to fight
the Soviets as equals.
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They started knocking Soviet
aircraft out of the sky
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by the hundreds.
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That changed the war,
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and it showed that the
U.S. government was serious
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about not just inflicting
some damage on the Soviets
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but actually getting them
to leave Afghanistan,
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which is what they did.
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And as soon as
Boris Gromov rode on that tank
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out to the middle
of Friendship Bridge
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from Afghanistan,
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I hit send on a cable
that was typed out using Xs
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to make a big, "We won."
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♪♪♪
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I wrote an article
and put the name on it,
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"Graveyard of Empires."
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My point was, it's very easy
getting in there,
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but getting out
is immensely difficult,
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and winning is...
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very, very questionable.
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Whatever winning means,
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you usually don't get it
in Afghanistan.
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♪♪♪
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Kabul has changed a lot
in the last several years.
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It used to be
that you could
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kind of walk
around the streets
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and pick up a cab
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and go to a restaurant,
have a nice meal.
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If you're a foreigner,
that's basically all gone.
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The Taliban have done
a campaign of attacking
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anywhere Westerners gather,
and we're in an armored car
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because it's regarded
as too dangerous now,
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which is a pity because Kabul
is an amazingly beautiful
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and vibrant city.
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The city is now brimming
with up to six million people,
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and it's a very different Kabul
than the one I remember
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under the Taliban
or during the Civil War.
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♪♪♪
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The United States ended
its official presence
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in Afghanistan today,
two weeks before
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Soviet troops are scheduled
to complete their pullout.
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Our State Department
correspondent
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Bill Plante reports.
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A marine guard hauled
down the stars and stripes
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at the U.S. embassy in Kabul
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as the remaining handful
of diplomats
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prepared to get out
of Afghanistan
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as soon as weather permits.
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The U.S. joins
other Western nations
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which have temporarily
pulled out,
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fearing chaos
after Soviet troops
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end their ten-year occupation.
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I first got
into, uh, Afghanistan
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by crossing the-the frontier
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between Pakistan
and Afghanistan
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with a group of mujahideen
in mid-1989,
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just as the Soviet Union
had, uh, withdrawn.
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♪♪♪
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I was working
with an aid agency,
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trying to help
both with refugees in Pakistan
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and inside Afghanistan.
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People were readying
themselves for the fight
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over who would claim
Afghanistan
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now that the-the Soviets
had got out.
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♪♪♪
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America made a fatal mistake.
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The Afghan thing was almost
totally forgotten.
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The result was that
an Afghanistan
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so overloaded with ordnance
and awash with money
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slipped into its own devices.
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From a war
correspondent's perspective,
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by the time
I was traveling around
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in the war in the early '90s,
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it had become
a nasty civil war.
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The thing I remember most
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was how lonely it was.
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Kabul was like a ghost city.
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You could stand
in a major intersection,
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which now has endless
clogged traffic jams,
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and see no one and hear nothing
but bicycle spokes
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and horse carriage bells.
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It was very haunting.
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Yelling in native language
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There was rape.
There was robbery.
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Buildings were rocketed
and shot all the time.
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People were terrified.
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Out of the fight,
street by street in Kabul,
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replicated in the sort of
districts of the country,
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we got the Taliban movement.
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I can recall
the precise moment
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in which I learnt
of the Taliban movement.
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I was at a garden party,
and a posh Englishman
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told me about this supposedly
Islamic student movement
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which had just taken over a
swath of territory in Kandahar
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and was chasing after these
money-grubbing, gun-wielding,
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you know, commanders left over
from the mujahideen,
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hanging them up
from trees and posts
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and stuffing money
in their mouths,
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and he told me,
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"Michael, this looks
like the next big thing,"
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um, and he was right.
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The Taliban advertised
themselves
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as a kind of purifying force,
a cleansing force
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that would reunify Afghanistan
under the banner of Islam.
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That was very
attractive to the Pakistanis.
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They didn't want Afghanistan
to be a threat,
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and so the Pakistani
government
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threw their weight militarily
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and financially
behind the Taliban,
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and by early 1996,
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they controlled three-fourths
of Afghanistan.
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They often conquered
without firing a shot.
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They would just ride
into a town
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holding Korans in the air
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or waving the flags of, uh,
their movement or of Islam,
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and whole garrisons
would just, uh, change sides.
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The gratitude began to fade
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and be replaced
with something else
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when it became clear
that the Taliban wanted
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to enforce an extremely
restrictive version of Islam.
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I went to Afghanistan
as a journalist,
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I think, five or six times,
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and that meant that you had
to get a visa
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from the Taliban government,
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which meant that you were there
under very limited
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and very strict conditions,
and there were many conditions.
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Number one, you had
to completely cover yourself
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except your face.
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Number two,
you couldn't meet with women.
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Number three, you couldn't
take pictures of anything.
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I had a camera, a small camera,
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hidden under
my voluminous scarf,
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and we stopped at a bakery
to buy some bread,
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and I saw this boy's face
through the window,
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and I just ducked
into the bakery,
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and I got out my camera,
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and I just took this
one single picture of him,
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and then I left.
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♪♪♪
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There was no music, no-no TV,
no phone system to speak of.
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Women were locked
inside their houses.
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Girls were not educated.
The economy totally collapsed.
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♪♪♪
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The deal was,
you get the right to life,
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and you give up pretty much
all other rights.
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♪♪♪
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This is the pictures
of all the ambassadors
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that served here.
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As you can see,
there are no women.
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So here, I would come
as a shock factor,
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but that's where
the change happens.
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Starting '92,
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I found the country
in the worst possible shape.
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There was this, uh, ambience
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of darkness and fear
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and gloom.
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We have to wear burkas.
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We never wore burkas
in my entire life.
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I was a young teenager,
and I thought, "Why?
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Why should I be like this?"
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I told my family
that I am going to sew
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the two big shawls
that we had
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so that I will have
a very big sheet,
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and I would fully
cover myself,
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but I am not gonna
wear a burka.
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It symbolized
so much oppression to me.
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In 2001,
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there were 900,000 students
in school,
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and the number of girls?
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Zero.
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We did not want our
generations to be illiterate.
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So, if somebody knew math,
286
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they would quietly tell
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the neighborhood, uh,
boys and girls
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that, "We will teach you math,"
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but that always had
to be hidden.
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We said,
"When you guys are victorious
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and the Soviets are gone,
we're finished.
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We turn the country
over to you.
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We're not here forever."
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♪♪♪
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When that happened,
we basically walked away.
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When the Taliban took over,
most people said,
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"There's nothing
we can do about it,
299
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so we're not gonna
do anything.
300
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We're not even gonna
worry about it."
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Our interest really was
when bin Laden went there,
302
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rather than anything that's
gonna change Afghanistan.
303
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♪♪♪
304
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I come from a rural family.
305
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Uh, we were one
of the destitute families,
306
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uh, due to war,
307
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and, uh, when I became
able enough,
308
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I went back to the valley,
309
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and I joined, uh, the forces
fighting the regime.
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At the age of 19,
311
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he was already
a seasoned war veteran
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in charge
of rebuilding villages
313
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bombed in the fighting.
314
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Couple of years later,
315
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I was given
intelligence assignment.
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So, since '97, I was assigned
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to handle
the overall relationship
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with the, uh--with the CIA.
319
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The strategic aspect
of the relationship
320
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was telling them
what is terrorism,
321
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what is bin Laden,
what is al-Qaeda,
322
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and what type of threat
does it pose
323
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to U.S. interest
in the wider region
324
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and how we should, uh, cope
with it.
325
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Of course, they were not
very receptive
326
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of our strategic analysis.
327
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They were showing
very little interest
328
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to the hosts of al-Qaeda.
329
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They were showing
very, very little interest
330
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to the plight
of the Afghan people,
331
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who were suffering
under that terrorist regime.
332
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♪♪♪
333
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One thing Afghans
don't need a lot of help with
334
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is fighting,
uh, and, uh--
335
00:17:30,255 --> 00:17:33,005
but a number of Arabs,
like Osama bin Laden, came,
336
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and they were very idealistic.
337
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They weren't very large
in number.
338
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They weren't
very military effective.
339
00:17:37,255 --> 00:17:39,506
They didn't have
any fighting experience.
340
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But they got together,
341
00:17:41,130 --> 00:17:43,506
and he founded al-Qaeda
over the course
342
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of a couple of weekends
in Pakistan
343
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in August of 1988.
344
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It was a very secretive
organization.
345
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They really didn't have
very many places to go,
346
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and Afghanistan was one place
where bin Laden thought
347
00:17:57,964 --> 00:18:02,130
he could establish
al-Qaeda's headquarters.
348
00:18:03,214 --> 00:18:05,881
In '96, I read
a State Department report
349
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about bin Laden
350
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saying he's financing
Islamic extremism.
351
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He's recruited all of these
Arabs from around the world,
352
00:18:12,422 --> 00:18:13,923
and he could be a problem.
353
00:18:14,005 --> 00:18:15,255
So I went to my bosses at CNN.
354
00:18:15,339 --> 00:18:17,547
I said, "Let's try
and interview this guy."
355
00:18:17,631 --> 00:18:19,923
You know, this is, like,
the hostage video.
356
00:18:20,005 --> 00:18:22,881
Yeah.
The hostage video.
357
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♪♪♪
358
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There we are.
We look almost human.
359
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Speaking native language
360
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No one really paid
any attention until 1998,
361
00:18:45,381 --> 00:18:47,714
when al-Qaeda
blew up two American embassies
362
00:18:47,798 --> 00:18:49,673
within nine minutes
of each other.
363
00:18:49,756 --> 00:18:52,964
Two bombs exploded
almost simultaneously today
364
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at the U.S. embassies
in the East Africa nations
365
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of Kenya and Tanzania.
366
00:18:57,297 --> 00:18:59,339
U.S. officials
say the bombings
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have all the fingerprints
of Middle East terror.
368
00:19:02,005 --> 00:19:03,381
That is when
it became clear
369
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that bin Laden and al-Qaeda
370
00:19:04,756 --> 00:19:06,464
was really a big deal
and could--
371
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not only were spouting all
this anti-American rhetoric
372
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but trying to kill, you know,
large numbers of Americans.
373
00:19:12,798 --> 00:19:14,923
There is
convincing information
374
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from our
intelligence community
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that the bin Laden
terrorist network
376
00:19:19,130 --> 00:19:22,381
was responsible
for these bombings.
377
00:19:22,464 --> 00:19:24,255
Bin Laden
was constantly moving,
378
00:19:24,339 --> 00:19:27,255
and we were using
Afghan tribal networks
379
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to report on his travels
and his whereabouts.
380
00:19:31,297 --> 00:19:32,923
Our tribal contacts
came to us,
381
00:19:33,005 --> 00:19:35,255
and they said, "Look,
he's in this location now.
382
00:19:35,339 --> 00:19:37,881
When he leaves, he's gonna
have to go through
383
00:19:37,964 --> 00:19:39,214
this particular crossroads,"
384
00:19:39,297 --> 00:19:41,964
and so what they proposed
was to bury
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00:19:42,047 --> 00:19:45,214
a huge cache of explosives
underneath those crossroads
386
00:19:45,297 --> 00:19:48,422
so that when his convoy
came through,
387
00:19:48,506 --> 00:19:50,339
they could simply blow it up.
388
00:19:50,422 --> 00:19:53,798
And we said, "Absolutely not."
389
00:19:53,881 --> 00:19:57,798
We were risking jail
if we didn't tell them that,
390
00:19:57,881 --> 00:20:01,464
because the CIA
had a so-called lethal finding
391
00:20:01,547 --> 00:20:03,839
that had been signed
by President Clinton
392
00:20:03,923 --> 00:20:06,464
which said that
we could engage in
393
00:20:06,547 --> 00:20:09,130
"lethal activity"
against bin Laden,
394
00:20:09,214 --> 00:20:13,839
but the purpose
of our attack on bin Laden
395
00:20:13,923 --> 00:20:16,339
couldn't be to kill him.
396
00:20:16,422 --> 00:20:19,881
We were being asked
to remove this threat
397
00:20:19,964 --> 00:20:22,381
to the United States
398
00:20:22,464 --> 00:20:27,422
essentially with one hand
tied behind our backs.
399
00:20:28,923 --> 00:20:31,172
I was a fairly junior officer,
400
00:20:31,255 --> 00:20:33,923
and as al-Qaeda grew
into a worldwide presence,
401
00:20:34,005 --> 00:20:35,798
we were very sensitive
402
00:20:35,881 --> 00:20:38,923
and very aware
of this growing phenomenon.
403
00:20:40,464 --> 00:20:42,923
It's not like
they were playing.
404
00:20:43,005 --> 00:20:45,589
The threat was real.
405
00:20:47,089 --> 00:20:49,506
And if President Clinton
had taken action
406
00:20:49,589 --> 00:20:51,964
and killed Osama bin Laden,
407
00:20:52,047 --> 00:20:54,214
there wouldn't
have been a 9/11.
408
00:20:54,297 --> 00:20:55,339
If there wouldn't have been
a 9/11,
409
00:20:55,422 --> 00:20:56,631
there wouldn't have been
Afghanistan.
410
00:20:56,714 --> 00:20:58,214
If there wouldn't have been
Afghanistan,
411
00:20:58,297 --> 00:21:00,255
there probably
wouldn't have been Iraq.
412
00:21:00,339 --> 00:21:02,798
What would the world be like?
413
00:21:02,881 --> 00:21:08,005
♪♪♪
414
00:21:11,506 --> 00:21:14,506
It still gets to me,
living in our nation's capital
415
00:21:14,589 --> 00:21:17,214
and every building
has significance...
416
00:21:19,631 --> 00:21:22,547
...especially driving by here.
417
00:21:23,923 --> 00:21:27,005
Something I'll never forget,
shaped my whole life.
418
00:21:27,089 --> 00:21:32,047
♪♪♪
419
00:21:32,130 --> 00:21:35,005
I had finished my first week
at Georgetown.
420
00:21:35,089 --> 00:21:38,297
They have a National Security
Studies program there.
421
00:21:38,381 --> 00:21:40,756
I was driving around
in the area,
422
00:21:40,839 --> 00:21:43,756
getting used to it
after that first week,
423
00:21:43,839 --> 00:21:46,005
and then a bunch of cars
stopped in front of me,
424
00:21:46,089 --> 00:21:49,923
and people got out and started
screaming and pointing.
425
00:21:50,005 --> 00:21:52,297
The plane had just hit
the Pentagon.
426
00:21:52,381 --> 00:21:57,130
♪♪♪
427
00:21:57,214 --> 00:21:58,923
When I came to D.C.,
I actually didn't think
428
00:21:59,005 --> 00:22:01,923
I would stay,
429
00:22:02,005 --> 00:22:05,214
but counterterrorism
developed into an entire field
430
00:22:05,297 --> 00:22:08,297
after that day,
and I got swept up in it.
431
00:22:08,381 --> 00:22:11,756
♪♪♪
432
00:22:11,839 --> 00:22:14,339
On 9/11, it was clear
who the enemy was,
433
00:22:14,422 --> 00:22:18,172
and the Bush administration
went straight into Afghanistan,
434
00:22:18,255 --> 00:22:19,631
where al-Qaeda was,
435
00:22:19,714 --> 00:22:22,881
where bin Laden was,
and tried to attack them,
436
00:22:22,964 --> 00:22:26,339
both for the purpose
of responding to 9/11
437
00:22:26,422 --> 00:22:28,964
but also to try to disrupt
any planning
438
00:22:29,047 --> 00:22:31,047
that al-Qaeda
might have under way
439
00:22:31,130 --> 00:22:32,464
for a follow-on attack.
440
00:22:32,547 --> 00:22:34,172
The Taliban
have now made it clear
441
00:22:34,255 --> 00:22:36,881
that they will not bow
to American pressure.
442
00:22:36,964 --> 00:22:40,339
At a chaotic press conference
at their embassy in Islamabad,
443
00:22:40,422 --> 00:22:42,631
they threatened holy war
if attacked
444
00:22:42,714 --> 00:22:45,089
and rejected
President Bush's demand
445
00:22:45,172 --> 00:22:47,130
to surrender Osama bin Laden.
446
00:22:47,214 --> 00:22:49,381
Are you willing to hand
Osama bin Laden
447
00:22:49,464 --> 00:22:50,798
to the United States or not?
448
00:22:50,881 --> 00:22:52,130
No, no, no, no.
449
00:22:53,881 --> 00:22:55,130
Well, for the Taliban,
450
00:22:55,214 --> 00:22:57,673
there was an opportunity
for them to distance,
451
00:22:57,756 --> 00:23:01,297
uh, the movement from these
groups and individuals,
452
00:23:01,381 --> 00:23:03,047
and we were hoping
they wouldn't,
453
00:23:03,130 --> 00:23:06,547
because, uh, for us,
it was an opportunity
454
00:23:06,631 --> 00:23:10,589
to actually rid Afghanistan
of the Taliban.
455
00:23:10,673 --> 00:23:14,464
And as we expected,
they stuck to their guns,
456
00:23:14,547 --> 00:23:18,631
and they did not
in any way compromise,
457
00:23:18,714 --> 00:23:21,381
and that was the beginning
of the end for them,
458
00:23:21,464 --> 00:23:22,923
at least in that period.
459
00:23:24,589 --> 00:23:27,339
When 9/11 happened,
they called me in.
460
00:23:27,422 --> 00:23:29,339
Basically, they said, "Will you
take the first team in?
461
00:23:29,422 --> 00:23:31,673
We got to--we want to put
a team together."
462
00:23:31,756 --> 00:23:32,923
I said, "Oh, God,
463
00:23:33,005 --> 00:23:34,839
everybody in the United States
wants to do this,
464
00:23:34,923 --> 00:23:36,839
and they're giving me the job,
465
00:23:36,923 --> 00:23:39,089
be the first people
to hit back at bin Laden?"
466
00:23:39,172 --> 00:23:41,130
I said, "Yeah,
better believe it."
467
00:23:42,798 --> 00:23:44,756
When I entered,
you know, I had my orders.
468
00:23:44,839 --> 00:23:47,673
I had an operational directive
to execute on the ground.
469
00:23:47,756 --> 00:23:51,756
Number one, destroy the Taliban
because they're in the way.
470
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:54,381
We have to get at al-Qaeda.
471
00:23:54,464 --> 00:23:57,839
Number two,
kill every member of al-Qaeda
472
00:23:57,923 --> 00:24:00,798
that you can find
on the battlefield.
473
00:24:00,881 --> 00:24:04,714
Number three,
find and kill bin Laden.
474
00:24:04,798 --> 00:24:09,673
♪♪♪
475
00:24:11,589 --> 00:24:13,130
Well, when we left,
476
00:24:13,214 --> 00:24:14,589
chief of
Counterterrorism Center said--
477
00:24:14,673 --> 00:24:17,255
We met him on the morning
we were getting ready to leave,
478
00:24:17,339 --> 00:24:20,255
and he said, "I'm gonna
give you your orders now.
479
00:24:20,339 --> 00:24:22,214
Once the Northern Alliance
is ready
480
00:24:22,297 --> 00:24:25,339
and they go into Kabul,
we want you and your team
481
00:24:25,422 --> 00:24:26,714
to go in with them
482
00:24:26,798 --> 00:24:29,255
and capture bin Laden
and his lieutenants.
483
00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,547
Then what I want you to do is,
when you capture those guys,
484
00:24:33,631 --> 00:24:36,214
I want you to cut
their heads off,
485
00:24:36,297 --> 00:24:39,339
and the lieutenants, I want you
to put their heads on pikes
486
00:24:39,422 --> 00:24:41,547
and display them
and photograph them,
487
00:24:41,631 --> 00:24:43,798
and bin Laden,
I want you to take his head
488
00:24:43,881 --> 00:24:46,798
and put it on dry ice
in a box and ship it back,
489
00:24:46,881 --> 00:24:49,339
so I'm gonna take it
to the president to see."
490
00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:51,172
So I look at the deputy.
491
00:24:51,255 --> 00:24:54,381
He looks at me,
and I-I'm saying,
492
00:24:54,464 --> 00:24:56,923
"Is this guy serious?"
493
00:24:57,005 --> 00:25:01,923
I said, "Okay, maybe we could
cut off their heads.
494
00:25:02,005 --> 00:25:03,089
Maybe. I don't know."
495
00:25:03,172 --> 00:25:05,923
I said, "I doubt it,
but maybe we could."
496
00:25:06,005 --> 00:25:08,964
I said, "And we can certainly
make pikes out in the field.
497
00:25:09,047 --> 00:25:10,339
You know, that's not hard."
498
00:25:10,422 --> 00:25:12,047
I said, "But where
am I gonna find dry ice
499
00:25:12,130 --> 00:25:13,255
in Afghanistan?"
500
00:25:13,339 --> 00:25:18,214
♪♪♪
501
00:25:18,297 --> 00:25:19,422
Vice President Cheney
502
00:25:19,506 --> 00:25:22,214
said fairly soon
after the attacks,
503
00:25:22,297 --> 00:25:24,756
"We're gonna go over
to the dark side."
504
00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:26,839
And, historically,
when presidents have wanted
505
00:25:26,923 --> 00:25:30,214
to go over to the dark side,
they've asked the CIA to do it.
506
00:25:32,005 --> 00:25:33,756
A lot of what needs
to be done here
507
00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,005
will have to be done quietly
without any discussion,
508
00:25:37,089 --> 00:25:38,839
using sources and methods, uh,
509
00:25:38,923 --> 00:25:41,631
that are available
to our intelligence agencies.
510
00:25:52,005 --> 00:25:54,839
The first trip
I took was in 1994,
511
00:25:54,923 --> 00:25:57,464
Human Rights Watch.
512
00:25:57,547 --> 00:25:58,923
The war had continued.
513
00:25:59,005 --> 00:26:00,631
The Soviets had gone,
but the war was continuing,
514
00:26:00,714 --> 00:26:03,339
which was sort of--
came to be the story
515
00:26:03,422 --> 00:26:05,714
over the many years
I went to Afghanistan.
516
00:26:05,798 --> 00:26:08,005
Despite whatever
political changes happened,
517
00:26:08,089 --> 00:26:11,673
the war almost had a life
of its own and continued.
518
00:26:15,130 --> 00:26:19,964
The first boots on the ground
after 9/11 were the CIA,
519
00:26:20,047 --> 00:26:23,255
and very quickly,
they began working with
520
00:26:23,339 --> 00:26:26,339
and bolstering militia groups
to work with,
521
00:26:26,422 --> 00:26:29,506
and those groups
were designed,
522
00:26:29,589 --> 00:26:31,214
recruited, and trained
523
00:26:31,297 --> 00:26:36,130
to go after leading al-Qaeda
or Taliban figures.
524
00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:42,089
The CIA was transformed
as an institution by 9/11.
525
00:26:42,881 --> 00:26:46,255
Out of that came
the, uh, structure
526
00:26:46,339 --> 00:26:49,047
that is now notorious...
527
00:26:49,130 --> 00:26:52,673
the black sites, the enhanced
interrogation techniques,
528
00:26:52,756 --> 00:26:56,214
the waterboarding,
and the rest.
529
00:26:56,297 --> 00:26:59,172
When I joined
the agency in the 1980s,
530
00:26:59,255 --> 00:27:02,714
only the bad guys
used those techniques on us.
531
00:27:02,798 --> 00:27:04,172
Unlike the FBI,
532
00:27:04,255 --> 00:27:09,047
the agency really did not have
any skill in interrogation,
533
00:27:09,130 --> 00:27:11,964
especially
hostile interrogation.
534
00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:13,839
That was something new.
535
00:27:15,172 --> 00:27:16,547
I can honestly say
536
00:27:16,631 --> 00:27:19,506
I know what attacks
were stopped.
537
00:27:19,589 --> 00:27:21,422
I know how hard
the folks worked,
538
00:27:21,506 --> 00:27:23,255
and I also know
they weren't emotional.
539
00:27:23,339 --> 00:27:26,130
People weren't having fun
waterboarding people.
540
00:27:26,214 --> 00:27:27,506
I would never say
541
00:27:27,589 --> 00:27:30,089
that I am in support
of torture
542
00:27:30,172 --> 00:27:32,673
or anything in that regard,
543
00:27:32,756 --> 00:27:36,547
but there was definitely
a push technically
544
00:27:36,631 --> 00:27:38,005
and in human intelligence
545
00:27:38,089 --> 00:27:40,714
to get as much information
as possible,
546
00:27:40,798 --> 00:27:42,923
and you have
to put yourself back
547
00:27:43,005 --> 00:27:45,839
in that particular time
in history.
548
00:27:51,673 --> 00:27:53,422
When I think about...
549
00:27:53,506 --> 00:27:54,756
when I think about the kids
550
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:57,673
and the-and the-and the-
and the women and children
551
00:27:57,756 --> 00:27:59,506
and good Americans
who are still alive
552
00:27:59,589 --> 00:28:01,464
because of what we did,
you know what I say?
553
00:28:01,547 --> 00:28:03,881
I say, "Fuck history.
554
00:28:03,964 --> 00:28:05,881
Fuck history."
555
00:28:05,964 --> 00:28:10,297
As far as that program,
I slept good at night.
556
00:28:10,381 --> 00:28:11,506
I did a briefing on it
557
00:28:11,589 --> 00:28:14,172
for all the ambassadors
in Kabul,
558
00:28:14,255 --> 00:28:15,756
and I had said
559
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:17,964
that the torture
that had been described
560
00:28:18,047 --> 00:28:21,255
by people who had investigated
the secret detentions,
561
00:28:21,339 --> 00:28:24,339
the salt pit, the case
of people being left out,
562
00:28:24,422 --> 00:28:27,673
dying of hypothermia,
and the rest of it,
563
00:28:27,756 --> 00:28:30,130
these kinds of torture
and secret detentions
564
00:28:30,214 --> 00:28:32,005
had been known
in the Soviet times.
565
00:28:32,089 --> 00:28:35,547
It was shocking for them
to be coming up again
566
00:28:35,631 --> 00:28:38,214
in post-2001 Afghanistan.
567
00:28:39,089 --> 00:28:41,172
The Americans didn't
come to the briefing,
568
00:28:41,255 --> 00:28:43,172
but they came
immediately afterwards
569
00:28:43,255 --> 00:28:44,714
and wanted to see me.
570
00:28:44,798 --> 00:28:46,506
When I was approached
by one of them,
571
00:28:46,589 --> 00:28:50,964
he was so angry,
he was shaking.
572
00:28:51,047 --> 00:28:55,172
The very fact I dared
compare those abuses
573
00:28:55,255 --> 00:28:57,464
to what had happened
with the Soviets
574
00:28:57,547 --> 00:28:59,464
had infuriated him,
575
00:28:59,547 --> 00:29:02,005
and I'm just like--
that's what infuriated him,
576
00:29:02,089 --> 00:29:03,964
not the fact
that they happened
577
00:29:04,047 --> 00:29:06,798
but that I had made
a comparison with the Soviets.
578
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:11,339
The way the-that war
has been fought,
579
00:29:11,422 --> 00:29:13,339
the counterterrorism war,
580
00:29:13,422 --> 00:29:16,422
it's largely shaped
where we are today.
581
00:29:16,506 --> 00:29:19,756
It was always the CIA's war.
582
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:23,339
It was in the '80s, the '90s,
and it was after 2001.
583
00:29:23,422 --> 00:29:28,172
♪♪♪
584
00:29:28,255 --> 00:29:30,506
We enter Kabul.
It's 12 November.
585
00:29:30,589 --> 00:29:32,089
I know bin Laden's fled.
586
00:29:32,172 --> 00:29:33,964
Watch bin Laden move south,
587
00:29:34,047 --> 00:29:35,798
which was down to Tora Bora,
588
00:29:35,881 --> 00:29:37,714
and then pursued right away.
589
00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:41,547
Tora Bora is a very remote
mountainous part of Afghanistan
590
00:29:41,631 --> 00:29:43,214
on the border with Pakistan.
591
00:29:43,297 --> 00:29:45,089
It's an area
that he knew very well.
592
00:29:45,172 --> 00:29:47,214
He'd been going through
that area during the '80s,
593
00:29:47,297 --> 00:29:48,547
fighting the Soviets.
594
00:29:48,631 --> 00:29:50,923
It's an area--
he liked being there.
595
00:29:51,005 --> 00:29:52,839
He, uh--he had, like,
a vacation home there,
596
00:29:52,923 --> 00:29:56,047
which wouldn't be my
first choice of vacation spot.
597
00:29:56,130 --> 00:29:57,339
We knew that bin Laden
598
00:29:57,422 --> 00:29:59,172
was moving with a group
of about 1,000 people.
599
00:29:59,255 --> 00:30:01,089
Right away they said, "Okay,
we're gonna go pursue him."
600
00:30:01,172 --> 00:30:04,339
I said, "Do it. Send them in."
We go up.
601
00:30:04,422 --> 00:30:07,339
They get up on top
of a promontory mountain piece,
602
00:30:07,422 --> 00:30:08,631
and then down below,
603
00:30:08,714 --> 00:30:10,589
there's bin Laden
and his huge element.
604
00:30:10,673 --> 00:30:12,214
Our team had a SOFLAM,
605
00:30:12,297 --> 00:30:15,255
Special Operations Forces
Laser Acquisition Mechanism,
606
00:30:15,339 --> 00:30:16,714
which allowed them to target
607
00:30:16,798 --> 00:30:20,506
and do 56 hours of air strikes
608
00:30:20,589 --> 00:30:22,714
and just hammer them.
609
00:30:24,255 --> 00:30:26,964
We bombed the bejesus
out of the place.
610
00:30:27,047 --> 00:30:28,756
We destroyed
most of their gear,
611
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:29,923
their radios, their vehicles.
612
00:30:30,005 --> 00:30:32,130
They had tanks.
They had all sorts of stuff.
613
00:30:32,214 --> 00:30:34,381
They were trying
to get up into position.
614
00:30:34,464 --> 00:30:36,506
We wrecked it all on the ground
before they could get up there
615
00:30:36,589 --> 00:30:38,089
and killed a bunch of them.
616
00:30:38,172 --> 00:30:40,506
Bin Laden wrote his will
at Tora Bora.
617
00:30:40,589 --> 00:30:43,089
He thought he was gonna die.
618
00:30:43,172 --> 00:30:45,047
He thought this was the end.
619
00:30:45,130 --> 00:30:49,547
♪♪♪
620
00:30:49,631 --> 00:30:51,214
But it wasn't.
621
00:30:51,297 --> 00:30:54,130
♪♪♪
622
00:30:54,214 --> 00:30:56,130
So, after our guys
go up, do the bombing,
623
00:30:56,214 --> 00:30:58,798
the initial bombing,
that first four guys come out,
624
00:30:58,881 --> 00:31:00,798
and one of those guys had been
a former Delta Force guy,
625
00:31:00,881 --> 00:31:04,464
have him brought right back.
626
00:31:04,547 --> 00:31:05,798
He's the one
that says to me, "Gary,
627
00:31:05,881 --> 00:31:08,714
we are going to need
U.S. forces."
628
00:31:08,798 --> 00:31:11,631
♪♪♪
629
00:31:11,714 --> 00:31:14,964
The CIA requested 800 Rangers,
630
00:31:15,047 --> 00:31:17,381
but that request was
turned down by the U.S. Army.
631
00:31:17,464 --> 00:31:19,756
♪♪♪
632
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:22,547
What Gary Brunson
was arguing for, I think,
633
00:31:22,631 --> 00:31:25,339
were very large numbers
of troops, uh,
634
00:31:25,422 --> 00:31:27,381
to go into the valleys,
635
00:31:27,464 --> 00:31:29,923
and, frankly, I-I thought that
much of what he was advocating
636
00:31:30,005 --> 00:31:32,005
at the time
was not gonna be effective.
637
00:31:32,089 --> 00:31:34,631
Gary probably had a little bit
more enthusiasm than judgment.
638
00:31:34,714 --> 00:31:37,506
♪♪♪
639
00:31:37,589 --> 00:31:40,047
That's bullshit.
640
00:31:40,130 --> 00:31:42,214
They weren't accustomed
to having to make decisions
641
00:31:42,297 --> 00:31:44,673
as rapidly as I was forcing
642
00:31:44,756 --> 00:31:47,255
because I knew the enemy
was going to escape.
643
00:31:47,339 --> 00:31:48,756
I didn't have a choice.
644
00:31:48,839 --> 00:31:52,923
♪♪♪
645
00:31:53,005 --> 00:31:55,422
On the 16th of December,
646
00:31:55,506 --> 00:31:59,464
bin Laden and his-his-his guys
left the mountains.
647
00:31:59,547 --> 00:32:02,464
♪♪♪
648
00:32:02,547 --> 00:32:05,214
They just walked across
into Pakistan.
649
00:32:05,297 --> 00:32:08,172
They got on motorcycles
and just headed out,
650
00:32:08,255 --> 00:32:11,798
and it took us all those years
later before we found him.
651
00:32:11,881 --> 00:32:17,005
♪♪♪
652
00:32:22,923 --> 00:32:25,547
We were building the country.
653
00:32:25,631 --> 00:32:28,130
We were training
the Afghan military.
654
00:32:28,214 --> 00:32:30,297
We were paying
for building of facilities
655
00:32:30,381 --> 00:32:32,005
with the U.S. military.
656
00:32:32,089 --> 00:32:33,547
We had turned it over
to State Department and say,
657
00:32:33,631 --> 00:32:35,339
"Okay,
now you build a new nation.
658
00:32:35,422 --> 00:32:38,297
You teach them democracy,
how do they handle elections.
659
00:32:38,381 --> 00:32:40,589
Do all that stuff."
660
00:32:40,673 --> 00:32:42,130
As things progressed,
661
00:32:42,214 --> 00:32:44,673
it was a dream come true,
662
00:32:44,756 --> 00:32:46,964
and it was hard to believe
663
00:32:47,047 --> 00:32:49,506
that we had got
a second chance to live.
664
00:32:49,589 --> 00:32:52,297
♪♪♪
665
00:32:52,381 --> 00:32:56,047
That was when I really
explored the country.
666
00:32:56,130 --> 00:32:57,798
That was when I started
667
00:32:57,881 --> 00:33:01,839
not only to travel
to every corner of Kabul
668
00:33:01,923 --> 00:33:05,255
but also to over 15 provinces.
669
00:33:06,214 --> 00:33:08,172
It was a utopia.
670
00:33:09,964 --> 00:33:12,089
My first trip
over to Afghanistan
671
00:33:12,172 --> 00:33:14,673
was in January of 2002.
672
00:33:16,422 --> 00:33:19,089
There's a reason that most
of the, like, correspondents
673
00:33:19,172 --> 00:33:22,255
that came up
during that time were women.
674
00:33:22,339 --> 00:33:23,839
Men had a very hard time,
675
00:33:23,923 --> 00:33:25,589
particularly
in the early days,
676
00:33:25,673 --> 00:33:26,839
doing stories about women,
677
00:33:26,923 --> 00:33:28,839
and women were
a fascinating story
678
00:33:28,923 --> 00:33:31,964
and an important story
in Afghanistan.
679
00:33:33,714 --> 00:33:35,964
My first stories
in Afghanistan
680
00:33:36,047 --> 00:33:37,923
were about what life
had been like
681
00:33:38,005 --> 00:33:39,589
for the women under the Taliban
682
00:33:39,673 --> 00:33:42,506
because they were finally able
to speak freely.
683
00:33:42,589 --> 00:33:45,130
♪♪♪
684
00:33:45,214 --> 00:33:47,506
There were women
who had been forcibly married
685
00:33:47,589 --> 00:33:49,798
to the Taliban.
686
00:33:49,881 --> 00:33:52,506
There were teachers
and doctors and young women
687
00:33:52,589 --> 00:33:54,255
who had grown up
688
00:33:54,339 --> 00:33:57,089
during those five years
of not being free at all.
689
00:33:59,381 --> 00:34:04,089
As people finally had
access to the outside world,
690
00:34:04,172 --> 00:34:06,214
the culture was changing
before our very eyes.
691
00:34:06,297 --> 00:34:11,255
♪♪♪
692
00:34:15,214 --> 00:34:17,631
I left Afghanistan
when I was 12.
693
00:34:17,714 --> 00:34:21,214
I had not been to the country
for a very long time.
694
00:34:21,297 --> 00:34:23,214
But the need to come back, uh,
695
00:34:23,297 --> 00:34:25,297
was very strong
for not just me
696
00:34:25,381 --> 00:34:27,881
but for a lot of other Afghans.
697
00:34:27,964 --> 00:34:29,881
I was a banker,
and my brother was a lawyer,
698
00:34:29,964 --> 00:34:31,881
and the other brother
was a finance person,
699
00:34:31,964 --> 00:34:35,506
and our sister
was a marketing person.
700
00:34:35,589 --> 00:34:37,339
And in 2002,
701
00:34:37,422 --> 00:34:39,422
we secured
the first private license
702
00:34:39,506 --> 00:34:41,297
for a radio station.
703
00:34:44,839 --> 00:34:46,547
Speaking native language
704
00:34:51,297 --> 00:34:54,297
♪♪♪
705
00:34:54,381 --> 00:34:56,172
It was about music.
It was about jokes.
706
00:34:56,255 --> 00:35:00,047
It was men and women
just having a conversation.
707
00:35:00,130 --> 00:35:02,881
♪♪♪
708
00:35:02,964 --> 00:35:06,589
But it's ironic that...
709
00:35:06,673 --> 00:35:09,339
how many people
are enemies of fun.
710
00:35:09,422 --> 00:35:11,756
The conservatives at the time,
711
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:14,881
they were very suspicious.
712
00:35:14,964 --> 00:35:18,547
We're a bunch of young people
in this house, basically,
713
00:35:18,631 --> 00:35:21,339
no security whatsoever,
714
00:35:21,422 --> 00:35:24,089
and people would literally
knock on our doors and say,
715
00:35:24,172 --> 00:35:26,047
"We hate you guys."
716
00:35:26,130 --> 00:35:28,673
But so the radio
was a success,
717
00:35:28,756 --> 00:35:30,714
and we thought
the natural progression
718
00:35:30,798 --> 00:35:33,673
would be to launch
a television station.
719
00:35:33,756 --> 00:35:36,714
Speaking native language
720
00:35:37,923 --> 00:35:41,172
speaking native language
721
00:35:43,881 --> 00:35:46,172
We saw the good news
on day one,
722
00:35:46,255 --> 00:35:48,381
and we came up
with all sorts of programs
723
00:35:48,464 --> 00:35:49,964
that we could produce quickly.
724
00:35:53,214 --> 00:35:55,756
And then we started
to do really big stuff,
725
00:35:55,839 --> 00:35:58,964
like the Idol format
with Afghan Star.
726
00:35:59,047 --> 00:36:02,005
♪ Upbeat rock music ♪
727
00:36:02,089 --> 00:36:06,005
singing in native language
728
00:36:06,089 --> 00:36:10,089
speaking native language
729
00:36:11,589 --> 00:36:12,798
When we first launched,
730
00:36:12,881 --> 00:36:15,547
this whole idea
of voting for a winner,
731
00:36:15,631 --> 00:36:18,214
they couldn't believe that we
would stick to our principles
732
00:36:18,297 --> 00:36:21,923
in terms of, like, counting
people's text messages.
733
00:36:23,089 --> 00:36:24,964
But what was extraordinary
734
00:36:25,047 --> 00:36:27,923
was how quickly
people accepted it.
735
00:36:29,756 --> 00:36:31,547
That's what's interesting
with the media.
736
00:36:31,631 --> 00:36:35,381
We just give people sort of
a glimpse of what's possible.
737
00:36:37,964 --> 00:36:39,964
This weekend in Afghanistan,
738
00:36:40,047 --> 00:36:43,172
the voice of the people
was finally heard.
739
00:36:43,255 --> 00:36:45,005
Precious ballots
from Afghanistan's
740
00:36:45,089 --> 00:36:48,422
only presidential
election in 5,000 years
741
00:36:48,506 --> 00:36:50,798
poured into counting centers
around the country.
742
00:36:52,881 --> 00:36:54,255
There hasn't been
a presidential election
743
00:36:54,339 --> 00:36:56,631
in the United States
since 1900 where 70 percent
744
00:36:56,714 --> 00:36:59,881
of the population
able to vote voted.
745
00:36:59,964 --> 00:37:02,381
♪ Soft music ♪
746
00:37:02,464 --> 00:37:04,214
I went
to villages and schools
747
00:37:04,297 --> 00:37:05,506
where people were voting,
748
00:37:05,589 --> 00:37:09,589
and the feeling in those rooms
749
00:37:09,673 --> 00:37:13,214
was one of pride and hope
750
00:37:13,297 --> 00:37:18,172
and belief that things
were getting better
751
00:37:18,255 --> 00:37:21,839
and that the system
that was being created
752
00:37:21,923 --> 00:37:23,714
would help the country.
753
00:37:26,422 --> 00:37:29,464
The Afghan people,
by coming out and voting,
754
00:37:29,547 --> 00:37:32,839
have given the last
755
00:37:32,923 --> 00:37:35,297
defeat to terrorism.
756
00:37:36,047 --> 00:37:38,214
The tyranny is gone,
757
00:37:38,297 --> 00:37:40,381
the terrorist enemy
is scattered,
758
00:37:40,464 --> 00:37:43,381
and the people
of Afghanistan are free.
759
00:37:44,964 --> 00:37:48,172
I thought,
"If things keep on like this,
760
00:37:48,255 --> 00:37:51,005
we can win this
in a couple of years."
761
00:37:51,089 --> 00:37:56,214
♪♪♪
762
00:38:04,547 --> 00:38:06,047
All the books you see here
763
00:38:06,130 --> 00:38:07,923
are about
special operations missions,
764
00:38:08,005 --> 00:38:09,881
and they don't always go well.
765
00:38:09,964 --> 00:38:11,631
Uh, you know, when I think
about Desert One,
766
00:38:11,714 --> 00:38:12,714
it didn't go well.
767
00:38:12,798 --> 00:38:14,172
When I think about
a lot of these, uh, books
768
00:38:14,255 --> 00:38:16,005
that are here
on World War II missions,
769
00:38:16,089 --> 00:38:17,339
they didn't go well.
770
00:38:17,422 --> 00:38:21,506
So I actually drew
on a lot of the lessons
771
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:24,089
because I wanted to make sure
whatever plan
772
00:38:24,172 --> 00:38:27,923
that I constructed for
the mission took into account,
773
00:38:28,005 --> 00:38:30,589
you know, the successes
and why we were successful
774
00:38:30,673 --> 00:38:32,172
and-and, frankly, the failures
775
00:38:32,255 --> 00:38:34,047
and how we avoid
those failures.
776
00:38:38,005 --> 00:38:39,464
I was sent overseas to run
777
00:38:39,547 --> 00:38:42,923
the Special Operations
Task Force in Afghanistan,
778
00:38:43,005 --> 00:38:44,589
and from a military
standpoint,
779
00:38:44,673 --> 00:38:48,297
Afghanistan appeared to be
kind of in a caretaker status.
780
00:38:48,381 --> 00:38:49,756
Please.
781
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:53,339
We clearly have moved
to a period of stability
782
00:38:53,422 --> 00:38:56,297
and stabilization
and reconstruction.
783
00:38:56,381 --> 00:39:00,339
So we shifted
our focus in 2003
784
00:39:00,422 --> 00:39:02,464
as we began
the invasion of Iraq.
785
00:39:04,214 --> 00:39:06,547
- Jesus!
- Whoo!
786
00:39:08,964 --> 00:39:13,464
Big tanks, big toys,
787
00:39:13,547 --> 00:39:16,130
that was the new war,
788
00:39:16,214 --> 00:39:18,214
and our allies
became confused at,
789
00:39:18,297 --> 00:39:20,381
what were
our real objectives?
790
00:39:20,464 --> 00:39:24,422
We will stay on task until
we've achieved our objective,
791
00:39:24,506 --> 00:39:28,130
which is to rid Iraq
of weapons of mass destruction.
792
00:39:28,214 --> 00:39:29,756
"What?
793
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:32,798
They haven't hurt you.
Saddam hasn't hurt you.
794
00:39:32,881 --> 00:39:36,964
He doesn't like al-Qaeda.
There's not al-Qaeda in Iraq."
795
00:39:37,047 --> 00:39:39,130
Whoa!
796
00:39:39,214 --> 00:39:40,798
I was called
into a meeting
797
00:39:40,881 --> 00:39:42,297
with the CIA director,
798
00:39:42,381 --> 00:39:43,673
and he told me
that he wanted me
799
00:39:43,756 --> 00:39:46,589
to head up the CIA effort
in Iraq.
800
00:39:46,673 --> 00:39:49,964
And the most, uh,
experienced senior officers
801
00:39:50,047 --> 00:39:52,089
who were in a position,
you know, to deal
802
00:39:52,172 --> 00:39:53,714
at a political level, uh,
803
00:39:53,798 --> 00:39:56,214
very quickly left, uh,
the Afghan theater.
804
00:39:56,297 --> 00:39:59,047
We're worried about terrorism,
and next thing, we wake up,
805
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:02,172
and-and resources are gone.
806
00:40:02,255 --> 00:40:06,005
♪ Dramatic music ♪
807
00:40:06,089 --> 00:40:07,339
When I was
in the State Department
808
00:40:07,422 --> 00:40:08,714
Counterterrorism Bureau,
809
00:40:08,798 --> 00:40:12,422
the most important resource
that was in short supply
810
00:40:12,506 --> 00:40:16,047
was policy-maker attention,
811
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:18,047
and I said,
"We actually have to focus
812
00:40:18,130 --> 00:40:20,172
on local-level governance,
813
00:40:20,255 --> 00:40:23,339
reforming the Afghan
corruption system,
814
00:40:23,422 --> 00:40:25,297
and giving the Afghan military
815
00:40:25,381 --> 00:40:29,881
a series of really basic
capabilities,"
816
00:40:29,964 --> 00:40:33,214
because by that point, we were
so sucked into the war in Iraq
817
00:40:33,297 --> 00:40:36,714
that we just didn't have
the bandwidth to deal with it.
818
00:40:36,798 --> 00:40:39,381
Yelling in native language
819
00:40:39,464 --> 00:40:41,714
And the Taliban in Pakistan
820
00:40:41,798 --> 00:40:44,547
and their cell groups
in Afghanistan
821
00:40:44,631 --> 00:40:46,297
began to exploit that.
822
00:40:46,381 --> 00:40:51,506
♪♪♪
823
00:40:59,631 --> 00:41:02,547
I, uh, was involved
in some of the early,
824
00:41:02,631 --> 00:41:06,005
early stages of talking
with the Taliban
825
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:10,130
about how to ensure that they
didn't join an insurgency.
826
00:41:10,214 --> 00:41:12,172
They actually found
some way of reconciling
827
00:41:12,255 --> 00:41:13,923
with the new regime.
828
00:41:14,005 --> 00:41:15,631
I mean, it happened, like,
in my sitting room
829
00:41:15,714 --> 00:41:17,506
in, you know, the house
in Islamabad, um,
830
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:19,673
you know, friendly discussions.
831
00:41:22,631 --> 00:41:25,923
Speaking native language
832
00:41:26,964 --> 00:41:29,631
My ability
to talk with Taliban today
833
00:41:29,714 --> 00:41:33,255
is based upon actions
which I have taken every day
834
00:41:33,339 --> 00:41:36,798
since I crossed
over the border in '89.
835
00:41:36,881 --> 00:41:38,714
They can check my reputation,
836
00:41:38,798 --> 00:41:40,631
work out how discreet I am,
837
00:41:40,714 --> 00:41:43,339
and reckon
if I am duplicitous,
838
00:41:43,422 --> 00:41:44,923
and I'm sort of, like,
doing the same
839
00:41:45,005 --> 00:41:46,422
when I'm talking with them,
840
00:41:46,506 --> 00:41:48,964
because, um,
one w-one way or another,
841
00:41:49,047 --> 00:41:51,464
both sides of the relationship
have got to trust each other
842
00:41:51,547 --> 00:41:53,172
to be able to-to go forward.
843
00:41:53,255 --> 00:41:56,172
♪♪♪
844
00:41:56,255 --> 00:41:58,506
In the wake of 9/11,
845
00:41:58,589 --> 00:42:02,798
the Taliban leadership
wanted surrender terms
846
00:42:02,881 --> 00:42:06,297
to live respectably
in their homes,
847
00:42:06,381 --> 00:42:09,547
recognizing the authority
of the new government
848
00:42:09,631 --> 00:42:11,881
which had been imposed
by the Americans.
849
00:42:13,798 --> 00:42:17,631
Those terms were available.
They were torn up.
850
00:42:19,172 --> 00:42:22,798
Instead we got increasingly
stories of Taliban
851
00:42:22,881 --> 00:42:25,297
who'd tried to go home to
their villages in Afghanistan
852
00:42:25,381 --> 00:42:27,798
either getting arrested
or giving up,
853
00:42:27,881 --> 00:42:29,089
crossing the border,
854
00:42:29,172 --> 00:42:30,756
going over to-to Pakistan
855
00:42:30,839 --> 00:42:32,631
ready for the next chapter.
856
00:42:32,714 --> 00:42:37,172
♪♪♪
857
00:42:37,255 --> 00:42:41,881
The Taliban start to reform
the organization, uh,
858
00:42:41,964 --> 00:42:45,506
saying that, "We have been
excluded from this new setup.
859
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:47,005
We're gonna have
another go."
860
00:42:47,089 --> 00:42:49,839
Tonight Frontline reports
861
00:42:49,923 --> 00:42:53,089
on the return of the Taliban.
862
00:42:56,214 --> 00:43:00,589
♪♪♪
863
00:43:00,673 --> 00:43:02,547
There's some, uh,
ICOM chatter saying
864
00:43:02,631 --> 00:43:05,255
that the Taliban
are looking at us right now.
865
00:43:09,172 --> 00:43:12,172
♪ Somber music ♪
866
00:43:12,255 --> 00:43:15,464
♪♪♪
867
00:43:15,547 --> 00:43:18,798
speaking native language
868
00:43:24,130 --> 00:43:27,130
speaking native language
869
00:43:29,255 --> 00:43:34,130
♪♪♪
870
00:43:44,798 --> 00:43:46,547
For Americans,
871
00:43:46,631 --> 00:43:50,422
the original story
of this long war
872
00:43:50,506 --> 00:43:53,339
was we were saviors.
873
00:43:53,422 --> 00:43:57,339
♪♪♪
874
00:43:57,422 --> 00:44:01,798
We had gone in
and done a good thing...
875
00:44:01,881 --> 00:44:06,005
and people were ecstatic
to be free again.
876
00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:10,923
But the reality is,
I don't think
877
00:44:11,005 --> 00:44:15,297
it was ever as clean
as we wanted to believe.
878
00:44:15,381 --> 00:44:19,255
♪♪♪
879
00:44:19,339 --> 00:44:21,881
The first inflection
point that I noticed
880
00:44:21,964 --> 00:44:23,589
happened in May 2006
881
00:44:23,673 --> 00:44:27,547
when a U.S. military convoy
crashed into a crowd of people,
882
00:44:27,631 --> 00:44:30,047
and they killed
about 14 people.
883
00:44:33,130 --> 00:44:38,047
♪♪♪
884
00:44:53,506 --> 00:44:56,422
speaking native language
885
00:45:00,714 --> 00:45:04,964
♪♪♪
886
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:10,714
People in these crowds
887
00:45:10,798 --> 00:45:15,297
were shouting
angry anti-American slogans,
888
00:45:15,381 --> 00:45:16,964
and I went, "What?
889
00:45:17,047 --> 00:45:18,464
What has happened here?"
890
00:45:18,547 --> 00:45:22,756
♪♪♪
891
00:45:22,839 --> 00:45:25,214
That was the first time
I realized
892
00:45:25,297 --> 00:45:26,964
that there was
as much resentment
893
00:45:27,047 --> 00:45:28,881
against
the international presence
894
00:45:28,964 --> 00:45:31,255
as there was
gratitude or hope.
895
00:45:31,339 --> 00:45:36,464
♪♪♪
896
00:45:37,964 --> 00:45:40,047
There was
this building resentment
897
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:43,422
that Afghans had
against corruption
898
00:45:43,506 --> 00:45:45,005
and civilian casualties,
899
00:45:45,089 --> 00:45:48,547
and both of those could be
tied directly back to America.
900
00:45:48,631 --> 00:45:50,589
We were pouring in
so much money
901
00:45:50,673 --> 00:45:52,255
that corruption
was all but inevitable
902
00:45:52,339 --> 00:45:53,839
with no checks and balances,
903
00:45:53,923 --> 00:45:55,673
and then
with civilian casualties,
904
00:45:55,756 --> 00:45:58,798
let's just say any
civilian casualty in general,
905
00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:00,255
the Taliban
would immediately put out
906
00:46:00,339 --> 00:46:01,714
press releases locally
saying,
907
00:46:01,798 --> 00:46:04,464
"This is America
doing this to you."
908
00:46:06,297 --> 00:46:08,506
They'd make up things,
and it was very effective.
909
00:46:15,756 --> 00:46:17,756
Well, today's riots
showing just how fragile
910
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:19,964
our relationship is
with Afghanistan,
911
00:46:20,047 --> 00:46:22,047
a key player
in the War on Terror.
912
00:46:22,130 --> 00:46:24,923
Now, is it just a small group
of troublemakers at work here,
913
00:46:25,005 --> 00:46:28,130
or are the Afghan people
simply ungrateful?
914
00:46:28,214 --> 00:46:32,005
♪♪♪
915
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:34,881
Afghans have
this streak of defiance
916
00:46:34,964 --> 00:46:37,297
against the world
because of history.
917
00:46:38,506 --> 00:46:40,255
There was the Russians
and the fact
918
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:43,923
that the Americans had
abandoned Afghanistan before.
919
00:46:46,005 --> 00:46:48,756
There's always in the back
of the minds of Afghans
920
00:46:48,839 --> 00:46:52,214
that-that suspicion
of ulterior motives.
921
00:46:52,297 --> 00:46:55,881
♪♪♪
922
00:46:55,964 --> 00:46:58,547
United States got distracted,
923
00:46:58,631 --> 00:47:00,089
and they wanted to show
924
00:47:00,172 --> 00:47:03,756
that Afghanistan was still
this good story working
925
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,047
and it is rosy,
926
00:47:06,130 --> 00:47:08,005
and they were not...
927
00:47:08,089 --> 00:47:10,964
they were not listening
to us, you know?
928
00:47:11,047 --> 00:47:13,255
♪♪♪
929
00:47:13,339 --> 00:47:15,714
I had great misgivings
930
00:47:15,798 --> 00:47:18,506
because I felt that the CIA
931
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:20,005
needed to stay engaged
932
00:47:20,089 --> 00:47:23,506
with key political players
inside Afghanistan,
933
00:47:23,589 --> 00:47:25,381
but I could see very quickly
934
00:47:25,464 --> 00:47:29,881
that there was very little
appetite, uh, for doing that.
935
00:47:29,964 --> 00:47:31,631
It's not that we didn't know
Afghanistan
936
00:47:31,714 --> 00:47:34,089
was going badly after that.
937
00:47:34,172 --> 00:47:36,172
We did, but we couldn't
do anything about it,
938
00:47:36,255 --> 00:47:39,673
because by the time
Iraq started to go bad,
939
00:47:39,756 --> 00:47:40,881
Afghanistan
was also going bad,
940
00:47:40,964 --> 00:47:43,964
and we were caught in a war
in two fronts
941
00:47:44,047 --> 00:47:46,381
without the resources
to deal with both.
942
00:47:46,464 --> 00:47:51,589
♪♪♪
943
00:47:57,255 --> 00:47:59,464
America's
men and women in uniform
944
00:47:59,547 --> 00:48:02,798
took away al-Qaeda's safe haven
in Afghanistan,
945
00:48:02,881 --> 00:48:06,130
and we will not allow them
to reestablish it in Iraq.
946
00:48:06,214 --> 00:48:07,881
So I have committed
more than 20,000
947
00:48:07,964 --> 00:48:10,130
additional American troops
to Iraq.
948
00:48:10,214 --> 00:48:11,964
The agreement
lays out a framework
949
00:48:12,047 --> 00:48:14,714
for the withdrawal
of American forces in Iraq,
950
00:48:14,798 --> 00:48:16,631
a withdrawal that is possible
951
00:48:16,714 --> 00:48:18,756
because of the success
of the surge.
952
00:48:18,839 --> 00:48:22,089
Yelling in foreign language
953
00:48:24,756 --> 00:48:27,756
While Iraq has dominated
the headlines,
954
00:48:27,839 --> 00:48:30,339
the less-publicized fight
in Afghanistan
955
00:48:30,422 --> 00:48:32,047
has intensified.
956
00:48:32,756 --> 00:48:36,005
My fellow citizens,
our nation is at war
957
00:48:36,089 --> 00:48:39,798
against a far-reaching network
of violence and hatred,
958
00:48:39,881 --> 00:48:42,255
and for those who seek
to advance their aims
959
00:48:42,339 --> 00:48:45,547
by inducing terror
and slaughtering innocents,
960
00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:48,839
you cannot outlast us,
and we will defeat you.
961
00:48:50,255 --> 00:48:52,255
For six years,
Afghanistan has been denied
962
00:48:52,339 --> 00:48:55,214
the resources that it demands
because of the war in Iraq.
963
00:48:55,297 --> 00:48:58,130
It is in our vital
national interest
964
00:48:58,214 --> 00:49:01,964
to send an additional 30,000
U.S. troops to Afghanistan.
965
00:49:02,047 --> 00:49:03,589
Well, I think
that in the last year,
966
00:49:03,673 --> 00:49:05,381
we've made a lot of progress.
967
00:49:05,464 --> 00:49:06,631
Two thousand ten
will be a year
968
00:49:06,714 --> 00:49:08,089
that will see progress
969
00:49:08,172 --> 00:49:10,172
and a reversal
of Taliban momentum.
970
00:49:10,255 --> 00:49:11,798
Well, the financial
and human cost
971
00:49:11,881 --> 00:49:13,089
of the War in Afghanistan
972
00:49:13,172 --> 00:49:15,798
has gone up every year
over the past five years,
973
00:49:15,881 --> 00:49:18,172
more than 1,600 U.S. troops.
974
00:49:18,255 --> 00:49:21,005
This past year in Afghanistan
was the deadliest yet
975
00:49:21,089 --> 00:49:22,714
for American troops.
976
00:49:22,798 --> 00:49:25,255
Momentum achieved
by the Taliban in Afghanistan
977
00:49:25,339 --> 00:49:29,673
since 2005 has been arrested
in much of the country.
978
00:49:29,756 --> 00:49:32,172
I wish I could tell you
that this war was simple,
979
00:49:32,255 --> 00:49:34,297
but that's not the way
of counterinsurgencies.
980
00:49:34,381 --> 00:49:37,005
They are fraught with both
successes and setbacks,
981
00:49:37,089 --> 00:49:39,214
which can exist
in the same space
982
00:49:39,297 --> 00:49:40,923
and in the same time,
983
00:49:41,005 --> 00:49:44,130
and I believe
the campaign is on track.
984
00:49:44,214 --> 00:49:46,756
♪♪♪
985
00:49:46,839 --> 00:49:49,339
If you ask the
question, "Why are we here?"
986
00:49:49,422 --> 00:49:52,339
As President Obama did when
he came into office in 2009,
987
00:49:52,422 --> 00:49:54,547
"Why are we fighting
in Afghanistan?"
988
00:49:54,631 --> 00:49:58,756
Well, his best experts
gathered and advised him,
989
00:49:58,839 --> 00:50:00,964
"Sir, we're here
because al-Qaeda
990
00:50:01,047 --> 00:50:03,172
is still a threat
to the United States.
991
00:50:03,255 --> 00:50:07,005
Bin Laden's still alive.
We got to finish the job."
992
00:50:07,089 --> 00:50:09,214
Every year,
there was this sense
993
00:50:09,297 --> 00:50:11,631
that if we did X, Y, and Z,
994
00:50:11,714 --> 00:50:13,798
maybe we could finish up
the war.
995
00:50:13,881 --> 00:50:16,839
Tonight I can report
to the American people
996
00:50:16,923 --> 00:50:19,214
and to the world
that the United States
997
00:50:19,297 --> 00:50:23,130
has conducted an operation
that killed Osama bin Laden,
998
00:50:23,214 --> 00:50:25,631
the leader of al-Qaeda.
999
00:50:25,714 --> 00:50:26,673
And this will go down
1000
00:50:26,756 --> 00:50:28,130
as one of the great missions
1001
00:50:28,214 --> 00:50:31,339
in the history
of the intelligence community.
1002
00:50:32,255 --> 00:50:34,714
As I was planning the mission,
you had to have surprise.
1003
00:50:34,798 --> 00:50:36,422
We had surprise.
You had to have speed.
1004
00:50:36,506 --> 00:50:37,714
We're coming in by helicopters.
1005
00:50:37,798 --> 00:50:39,506
And you had to have purpose,
1006
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:41,964
and God knows these-these, uh,
SEALs and soldiers had purpose.
1007
00:50:42,047 --> 00:50:44,130
They were going after the most
wanted man in the world.
1008
00:50:45,923 --> 00:50:48,589
It was about
who we are as Americans.
1009
00:50:48,673 --> 00:50:50,798
This man and his people
had attacked New York
1010
00:50:50,881 --> 00:50:52,756
and Pennsylvania
and Washington, D.C.,
1011
00:50:52,839 --> 00:50:54,964
and we had an obligation
1012
00:50:55,047 --> 00:50:57,631
to spend as long as it took
to bring him to justice.
1013
00:50:57,714 --> 00:51:00,464
♪♪♪
1014
00:51:00,547 --> 00:51:02,798
We did get bin Laden.
1015
00:51:02,881 --> 00:51:04,297
Al-Qaeda is diminished.
1016
00:51:04,381 --> 00:51:05,839
It's scattered.
It's under pressure.
1017
00:51:05,923 --> 00:51:09,506
We have been killing people
with our drones
1018
00:51:09,589 --> 00:51:11,756
for a good while now,
1019
00:51:11,839 --> 00:51:14,047
so why are we still here?
1020
00:51:14,130 --> 00:51:19,255
♪♪♪
1021
00:51:24,714 --> 00:51:29,464
♪♪♪
1022
00:51:29,547 --> 00:51:33,297
As the war in Afghanistan
went on and on,
1023
00:51:33,381 --> 00:51:35,714
the CIA then got into
the secret air war business,
1024
00:51:35,798 --> 00:51:37,839
which is really what
the drone campaign was.
1025
00:51:37,923 --> 00:51:39,381
It was a secret air war
1026
00:51:39,464 --> 00:51:42,214
designed to do
what the United States
1027
00:51:42,297 --> 00:51:44,839
was not prepared to do
through conventional means.
1028
00:51:46,297 --> 00:51:48,214
The CIA was given
charge of that
1029
00:51:48,297 --> 00:51:50,255
because it wasn't
going to be declared.
1030
00:51:50,339 --> 00:51:52,381
It wasn't going to be run
by the Air Force
1031
00:51:52,464 --> 00:51:55,464
or by the special operations
groups at the Pentagon.
1032
00:51:55,547 --> 00:52:00,089
It was, uh, covert,
and so that added to the sense
1033
00:52:00,172 --> 00:52:03,172
that the CIA was--
became an agency at war.
1034
00:52:04,422 --> 00:52:05,881
It's a new way of war.
1035
00:52:05,964 --> 00:52:07,130
The United States government
wouldn't even acknowledge
1036
00:52:07,214 --> 00:52:08,506
this was really happening,
1037
00:52:08,589 --> 00:52:09,547
and-and when they did
acknowledge it,
1038
00:52:09,631 --> 00:52:10,631
privately they would say,
1039
00:52:10,714 --> 00:52:11,798
"There's
no civilian casualties."
1040
00:52:11,881 --> 00:52:12,714
Well, that wasn't true.
1041
00:52:12,798 --> 00:52:14,381
In Afghanistan,
1042
00:52:14,464 --> 00:52:15,964
NATO is investing
a U.S. air strike on Thursday
1043
00:52:16,047 --> 00:52:18,464
that may have killed a child
in Helmand Province.
1044
00:52:18,547 --> 00:52:20,923
Whatever the
benefit of the drone strikes,
1045
00:52:21,005 --> 00:52:23,130
they have created
enormous resentment
1046
00:52:23,214 --> 00:52:24,839
among some here in the region
1047
00:52:24,923 --> 00:52:29,339
who view the strikes as another
sign of American arrogance.
1048
00:52:29,422 --> 00:52:31,756
And you can see,
this is by administration,
1049
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:33,214
so under George W. Bush,
1050
00:52:33,297 --> 00:52:34,422
there were
relatively limited strikes
1051
00:52:34,506 --> 00:52:36,255
except right at the end
of his second term.
1052
00:52:36,339 --> 00:52:38,089
Then under Obama,
it spikes up hugely.
1053
00:52:38,172 --> 00:52:39,422
So it was really
President Obama
1054
00:52:39,506 --> 00:52:42,422
who hammed it up
very dramatically.
1055
00:52:42,506 --> 00:52:45,381
You can see the estimated
total number of casualties
1056
00:52:45,464 --> 00:52:48,756
is up to almost as high
as 3,000
1057
00:52:48,839 --> 00:52:51,506
on the outer bounds.
1058
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:53,255
Myself and my colleagues
at New America
1059
00:52:53,339 --> 00:52:54,714
have been doing this
for about a decade.
1060
00:52:54,798 --> 00:52:56,589
We felt that there was
some data out there,
1061
00:52:56,673 --> 00:52:59,172
print media stories that we
could assemble and sort of say,
1062
00:52:59,255 --> 00:53:00,964
"What's going on?
Who's being killed?
1063
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:02,589
How many strikes are there?"
1064
00:53:02,673 --> 00:53:06,381
And so we-we began
to kind of collate all this.
1065
00:53:06,464 --> 00:53:09,547
When it came
to the Predator,
1066
00:53:09,631 --> 00:53:13,255
we also had our forces
somewhere in the area.
1067
00:53:13,339 --> 00:53:14,339
So there would be a shot,
1068
00:53:14,422 --> 00:53:15,964
and then people
were gonna move in
1069
00:53:16,047 --> 00:53:18,506
to do the sensitive site
collection,
1070
00:53:18,589 --> 00:53:21,047
and then--
so, you know, it was very human
1071
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:23,506
because you knew
who were down there.
1072
00:53:23,589 --> 00:53:27,339
Afghanistan, I think,
was the early laboratory
1073
00:53:27,422 --> 00:53:30,923
of what this more
paramilitary CIA became,
1074
00:53:31,005 --> 00:53:35,422
so a drone program that went
from surveillance drones
1075
00:53:35,506 --> 00:53:39,255
to actually killing people.
1076
00:53:39,339 --> 00:53:41,005
I would say, actually,
the principal reason the CIA
1077
00:53:41,089 --> 00:53:44,464
is in Afghanistan is,
in a way, the drone program,
1078
00:53:44,547 --> 00:53:48,255
because after 9/11, al-Qaeda
didn't remain in Afghanistan.
1079
00:53:48,339 --> 00:53:49,839
They fled into Pakistan, uh,
1080
00:53:49,923 --> 00:53:52,422
and the Taliban
regrouped there.
1081
00:53:52,506 --> 00:53:55,047
If I'm trying
to deploy six or 12 men
1082
00:53:55,130 --> 00:53:56,506
trying to climb up a mountain
1083
00:53:56,589 --> 00:53:59,172
and get this guy
when I can do this easier
1084
00:53:59,255 --> 00:54:03,005
and save our men
and women's lives and--
1085
00:54:03,089 --> 00:54:07,214
I'll go--I'll take the Predator
any day, any day.
1086
00:54:07,297 --> 00:54:11,547
♪♪♪
1087
00:54:11,631 --> 00:54:14,255
In the early years
and really even through,
1088
00:54:14,339 --> 00:54:16,005
I would say,
for the first ten years,
1089
00:54:16,089 --> 00:54:18,464
you could travel anywhere.
1090
00:54:18,547 --> 00:54:22,130
The capital was lively.
The capital felt free.
1091
00:54:22,214 --> 00:54:23,964
Girls were going to school.
1092
00:54:24,047 --> 00:54:26,506
Girls were going to college.
1093
00:54:26,589 --> 00:54:29,255
It certainly felt like a place
that was churning with change.
1094
00:54:29,339 --> 00:54:31,964
♪♪♪
1095
00:54:32,047 --> 00:54:35,714
My father told me
about American University,
1096
00:54:35,798 --> 00:54:39,798
and he said, "It's the best
university in Afghanistan."
1097
00:54:41,172 --> 00:54:46,005
He always wanted me
to-to get education...
1098
00:54:47,172 --> 00:54:51,464
...so I joined the university.
1099
00:54:52,422 --> 00:54:53,756
The vision for people here
1100
00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:56,923
is not a sixth-century
fundamentalist Islamic state.
1101
00:54:57,005 --> 00:55:00,255
It's a 21st-century
advanced country,
1102
00:55:00,339 --> 00:55:01,881
and they want to get there.
1103
00:55:01,964 --> 00:55:04,172
♪♪♪
1104
00:55:04,255 --> 00:55:05,756
We can play a role in that,
1105
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:08,589
in helping them
achieve their dreams.
1106
00:55:08,673 --> 00:55:11,714
My father never want me
to come to this university
1107
00:55:11,798 --> 00:55:15,255
because of the risks involved
with the name "American" on it,
1108
00:55:15,339 --> 00:55:16,673
and seeing the situation,
1109
00:55:16,756 --> 00:55:20,964
how badly the war is going on
in Afghanistan,
1110
00:55:21,047 --> 00:55:23,214
he never wanted me
to come here.
1111
00:55:25,464 --> 00:55:28,339
But I told him
I have goals in my life,
1112
00:55:28,422 --> 00:55:32,756
and I've already did good
in my high school,
1113
00:55:32,839 --> 00:55:35,422
and I had passion
to get an education.
1114
00:55:37,089 --> 00:55:40,255
I was not worried
about security.
1115
00:55:41,339 --> 00:55:44,798
I had heard
about explosions on news,
1116
00:55:44,881 --> 00:55:49,422
but I had not experienced
something like that.
1117
00:55:50,297 --> 00:55:52,381
As the Taliban
insurgency became stronger,
1118
00:55:52,464 --> 00:55:55,631
there was this growing
pattern of attacks
1119
00:55:55,714 --> 00:55:58,089
that began to make
everybody realize
1120
00:55:58,172 --> 00:55:59,631
that the Taliban
really were back
1121
00:55:59,714 --> 00:56:02,422
and really were causing trouble
and really were starting
1122
00:56:02,506 --> 00:56:06,130
to put the brakes
on progress of different kinds.
1123
00:56:07,631 --> 00:56:09,464
Many evenings,
I would go to my favorite bar,
1124
00:56:09,547 --> 00:56:12,631
this Lebanese café,
and I used to go there
1125
00:56:12,714 --> 00:56:15,881
probably at least once a week
for many, many years.
1126
00:56:17,506 --> 00:56:19,381
When you live
and work in a war zone,
1127
00:56:19,464 --> 00:56:20,964
you need a place like that.
1128
00:56:21,047 --> 00:56:22,297
You need someplace you can go
1129
00:56:22,381 --> 00:56:24,089
and really feel yourself,
be yourself,
1130
00:56:24,172 --> 00:56:28,339
and that's pretty much
the only place I felt that way.
1131
00:56:29,923 --> 00:56:33,589
And then the Taliban
attacked that café,
1132
00:56:33,673 --> 00:56:37,839
shot dead everyone in it,
including the owner.
1133
00:56:37,923 --> 00:56:39,422
The scenes
of this restaurant
1134
00:56:39,506 --> 00:56:40,839
are really quite incredible--
1135
00:56:40,923 --> 00:56:43,881
people crouched
on top of one-one-one another,
1136
00:56:43,964 --> 00:56:45,422
underneath tables,
1137
00:56:45,506 --> 00:56:47,214
gunned down inside there.
1138
00:56:47,297 --> 00:56:49,297
So that seems to have been
what has happened.
1139
00:56:49,381 --> 00:56:51,839
Anybody who was injured
seems to have been likely
1140
00:56:51,923 --> 00:56:53,798
to have been outside
the restaurant,
1141
00:56:53,881 --> 00:56:56,089
potentially in cars
waiting outside
1142
00:56:56,172 --> 00:56:58,047
or about to enter
the restaurant.
1143
00:56:58,130 --> 00:57:00,631
Anybody inside seems unlikely
to have been able
1144
00:57:00,714 --> 00:57:03,839
to escape easily
from the gunmen.
1145
00:57:03,923 --> 00:57:07,047
That's the moment
I sort of thought,
1146
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:10,464
"What's left here, you know?
Why are we even here?"
1147
00:57:10,547 --> 00:57:14,589
I remember feeling it.
I remember thinking that.
1148
00:57:14,673 --> 00:57:19,506
♪♪♪
1149
00:57:23,714 --> 00:57:25,714
When I had
a temporary assignment
1150
00:57:25,798 --> 00:57:27,214
in Afghanistan,
1151
00:57:27,297 --> 00:57:30,923
I could electrically feel
the dangers around me.
1152
00:57:31,005 --> 00:57:32,756
There we go.
1153
00:57:32,839 --> 00:57:35,297
I've definitely known
people that have died.
1154
00:57:35,381 --> 00:57:36,881
- You want milk?
- No.
1155
00:57:36,964 --> 00:57:38,631
The night before I left,
1156
00:57:38,714 --> 00:57:40,631
I was sitting
with my younger daughter,
1157
00:57:40,714 --> 00:57:45,381
and she gave me this bracelet
that she made,
1158
00:57:45,464 --> 00:57:48,047
and I promised her
I'd wear it every day
1159
00:57:48,130 --> 00:57:51,381
and every night
that I was away, and I did.
1160
00:57:51,464 --> 00:57:53,881
I never took it off.
1161
00:57:53,964 --> 00:57:58,422
And when I would leave the wire
or go to the less safe
1162
00:57:58,506 --> 00:58:01,756
or secure
and fortified areas...
1163
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:03,923
I looked down at that bracelet,
1164
00:58:04,005 --> 00:58:07,422
and I would definitely question
what I was doing.
1165
00:58:08,381 --> 00:58:10,756
"Am I a responsible mom?
1166
00:58:12,631 --> 00:58:16,214
Does my work here
really make a difference
1167
00:58:16,297 --> 00:58:18,673
in this seemingly endless war?"
1168
00:58:20,130 --> 00:58:25,005
♪♪♪
1169
00:58:27,756 --> 00:58:31,798
I managed analytic teams
that covered Afghan politics
1170
00:58:31,881 --> 00:58:34,047
and Afghan economics.
1171
00:58:34,130 --> 00:58:39,130
At that time, there was
a U.S.-military narrative
1172
00:58:39,214 --> 00:58:41,130
that things were getting better
in the country
1173
00:58:41,214 --> 00:58:43,422
and that the Taliban
was failing,
1174
00:58:43,506 --> 00:58:46,964
and that was leading to
the discussions of drawdown.
1175
00:58:47,047 --> 00:58:48,589
Two thousand fourteen,
1176
00:58:48,673 --> 00:58:50,589
we have agreed
that this is the year
1177
00:58:50,673 --> 00:58:54,381
we will conclude our
combat mission in Afghanistan.
1178
00:58:56,214 --> 00:58:58,339
But things on the ground
were evolving
1179
00:58:58,422 --> 00:59:01,339
and telling a little bit
of a different story.
1180
00:59:01,422 --> 00:59:04,089
The 2015 takeover of Kunduz,
1181
00:59:04,172 --> 00:59:06,589
that's the first
provincial capital
1182
00:59:06,673 --> 00:59:10,214
the Taliban had taken
since before 2001.
1183
00:59:10,297 --> 00:59:11,756
It was a big deal.
1184
00:59:12,881 --> 00:59:14,297
The battle for Kunduz
1185
00:59:14,381 --> 00:59:15,798
started before dawn,
1186
00:59:15,881 --> 00:59:18,631
as Afghan government troops
tried in vain
1187
00:59:18,714 --> 00:59:21,422
to hold back the advance
of the Taliban.
1188
00:59:21,506 --> 00:59:23,464
After the West's
trillion-dollar war
1189
00:59:23,547 --> 00:59:25,172
against the Taliban,
1190
00:59:25,255 --> 00:59:28,881
its fighters still pose
a potent threat.
1191
00:59:28,964 --> 00:59:31,881
They took over
the city for about two weeks.
1192
00:59:31,964 --> 00:59:33,547
They released
a lot of prisoners--
1193
00:59:33,631 --> 00:59:35,589
a lot of them
were Taliban fighters--
1194
00:59:35,673 --> 00:59:38,214
and displaced
tens of thousands of people
1195
00:59:38,297 --> 00:59:40,547
in the process.
1196
00:59:40,631 --> 00:59:43,506
It was a total propaganda win
for them.
1197
00:59:43,589 --> 00:59:45,255
God willing,
this is our hope,
1198
00:59:45,339 --> 00:59:46,839
to build a religious school,
1199
00:59:46,923 --> 00:59:50,506
to build a bridge, a road,
a sharia-based government.
1200
00:59:50,589 --> 00:59:51,839
This is why we came out,
1201
00:59:51,923 --> 00:59:53,547
and this is what
we fought for--
1202
00:59:53,631 --> 00:59:56,381
so that sharia law
is enforced here.
1203
00:59:56,464 --> 00:59:58,422
Just holding the city--
that's all they needed to do
1204
00:59:58,506 --> 01:00:00,798
was just take it and hold it,
show of force
1205
01:00:00,881 --> 01:00:03,381
to show their fighters
and the world
1206
01:00:03,464 --> 01:00:05,839
that they were there
and still capable--
1207
01:00:05,923 --> 01:00:07,339
was quite significant.
1208
01:00:07,422 --> 01:00:10,881
♪♪♪
1209
01:00:10,964 --> 01:00:14,089
What happened in
Kunduz caught people off guard
1210
01:00:14,172 --> 01:00:15,798
when the Taliban
actually managed
1211
01:00:15,881 --> 01:00:17,673
to gain control of the city,
1212
01:00:17,756 --> 01:00:20,047
and I think what happened then
was a kind of panic.
1213
01:00:20,130 --> 01:00:24,214
The psychological blow
and the PR repercussions
1214
01:00:24,297 --> 01:00:27,047
of having lost
a very important northern city
1215
01:00:27,130 --> 01:00:28,673
were enormous,
1216
01:00:28,756 --> 01:00:30,172
and so then there was a kind of
1217
01:00:30,255 --> 01:00:33,798
real scrambling
to-to regain control,
1218
01:00:33,881 --> 01:00:38,714
and the American military
made a really horrific error.
1219
01:00:38,798 --> 01:00:40,255
Breaking news overnight--
1220
01:00:40,339 --> 01:00:43,714
U.S. warplanes may have
killed nine local staffers
1221
01:00:43,798 --> 01:00:47,047
at a medical clinic
run by Doctors Without Borders.
1222
01:00:47,130 --> 01:00:50,005
The attack was in
the provincial city of Kunduz.
1223
01:00:50,089 --> 01:00:53,422
The U.S. apparently was trying
to dislodge Taliban insurgents
1224
01:00:53,506 --> 01:00:55,255
who had seized the city
on Monday.
1225
01:00:55,339 --> 01:00:59,422
An American gunship
targeted the hospital
1226
01:00:59,506 --> 01:01:03,089
and circled it
and hit it repeatedly.
1227
01:01:04,798 --> 01:01:07,798
What's concerning, maybe,
about how it unfolded
1228
01:01:07,881 --> 01:01:11,422
was that the Afghan forces
operating there
1229
01:01:11,506 --> 01:01:14,839
had raided the hospital
some point previously,
1230
01:01:14,923 --> 01:01:17,339
looking for wounded Taliban,
1231
01:01:17,422 --> 01:01:20,130
and were apparently
quite unhappy with the fact
1232
01:01:20,214 --> 01:01:24,255
that MSF treated wounded
Taliban in the facility,
1233
01:01:24,339 --> 01:01:27,714
whereas MSF,
like any medical-care provider,
1234
01:01:27,798 --> 01:01:29,297
say that they treat anyone,
1235
01:01:29,381 --> 01:01:32,297
regardless
of political affiliation.
1236
01:01:32,381 --> 01:01:33,631
Our staff have reported
1237
01:01:33,714 --> 01:01:35,798
that there were
no armed combatants
1238
01:01:35,881 --> 01:01:38,589
or active fighting in
1239
01:01:38,673 --> 01:01:42,005
or from the compound
prior to the air strike.
1240
01:01:42,089 --> 01:01:43,673
Doctors were about to take me
1241
01:01:43,756 --> 01:01:46,297
to an operating theater
when the bomb hit.
1242
01:01:46,381 --> 01:01:47,714
There were flames
all around me.
1243
01:01:47,798 --> 01:01:51,631
I saw patients and doctors
burn to death.
1244
01:01:51,714 --> 01:01:56,589
♪♪♪
1245
01:01:56,673 --> 01:01:58,464
Forty-three people died,
1246
01:01:58,547 --> 01:02:03,047
quite a number of them
staff and patients...
1247
01:02:03,130 --> 01:02:05,673
including patients on the
operating table at the time,
1248
01:02:05,756 --> 01:02:06,547
including children.
1249
01:02:06,631 --> 01:02:09,005
I mean, it was just horrific.
1250
01:02:09,089 --> 01:02:11,381
♪♪♪
1251
01:02:11,464 --> 01:02:12,839
And some of these forces
that have carried out
1252
01:02:12,923 --> 01:02:14,297
these raids
on medical facilities
1253
01:02:14,381 --> 01:02:17,631
are the ones we identified
as being backed by,
1254
01:02:17,714 --> 01:02:21,297
trained, recruited
by the American CIA.
1255
01:02:21,381 --> 01:02:23,756
♪♪♪
1256
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:27,673
That hospital bombing
after the siege of Kunduz
1257
01:02:27,756 --> 01:02:30,422
was pretty devastating.
1258
01:02:30,506 --> 01:02:33,339
A lot of innocent civilians
were killed,
1259
01:02:33,422 --> 01:02:36,339
and war is war,
and you can always say that,
1260
01:02:36,422 --> 01:02:38,589
but when innocent lives
are lost,
1261
01:02:38,673 --> 01:02:41,506
it really does make it
difficult to continue the work.
1262
01:02:43,798 --> 01:02:46,172
I saw a lot
of horrific images,
1263
01:02:46,255 --> 01:02:48,130
and it's hard
to deal with that
1264
01:02:48,214 --> 01:02:50,798
and learn how to process that,
1265
01:02:50,881 --> 01:02:55,547
but I learned
and found a way to...
1266
01:02:55,631 --> 01:02:57,923
store those images
1267
01:02:58,005 --> 01:03:01,047
and those experiences in my
heart without it destroying me.
1268
01:03:04,547 --> 01:03:07,714
You wake up in the morning,
and you brush it off,
1269
01:03:07,798 --> 01:03:12,714
and there's always an emergency
and something pressing
1270
01:03:12,798 --> 01:03:14,214
that's happening,
and you don't have time
1271
01:03:14,297 --> 01:03:15,756
to necessarily process
during the day,
1272
01:03:15,839 --> 01:03:20,255
so you just... you just go
150 miles per hour.
1273
01:03:20,339 --> 01:03:23,255
You go until you crash again.
1274
01:03:31,005 --> 01:03:32,464
It was seven o'clock at night
1275
01:03:32,547 --> 01:03:34,839
when the most number
of students and faculty
1276
01:03:34,923 --> 01:03:36,923
and staff were here,
and it was just
1277
01:03:37,005 --> 01:03:40,422
when people were going
to their last class of the day.
1278
01:03:40,506 --> 01:03:43,923
The attackers loose off
a couple of volleys.
1279
01:03:44,005 --> 01:03:46,464
One of them goes this way
1280
01:03:46,547 --> 01:03:48,923
and heads
towards our escape route.
1281
01:03:49,005 --> 01:03:52,089
Another one goes in here
to our main classroom building.
1282
01:03:52,172 --> 01:03:54,506
At that time,
this-these doors were open.
1283
01:03:54,589 --> 01:03:56,923
We didn't have the-the heavy
doors we have on them now.
1284
01:03:58,339 --> 01:04:02,047
It was, uh,
the month of August
1285
01:04:02,130 --> 01:04:03,964
in 2016,
1286
01:04:04,047 --> 01:04:06,547
and I was expecting
1287
01:04:06,631 --> 01:04:09,381
that it's my last semester.
1288
01:04:10,631 --> 01:04:12,172
I was done with my classes,
1289
01:04:12,255 --> 01:04:14,964
and I went to offer
the evening prayer,
1290
01:04:15,047 --> 01:04:18,714
and we were about
to leave the mosque.
1291
01:04:18,798 --> 01:04:22,089
I heard some people shouting.
1292
01:04:22,172 --> 01:04:24,673
My friend immediately
closed the door,
1293
01:04:24,756 --> 01:04:26,923
and she said--
she-she calls me Bresh--
1294
01:04:27,005 --> 01:04:30,381
and she said, "Bresh,
why is there gunshots?"
1295
01:04:30,464 --> 01:04:32,255
As she said that...
1296
01:04:32,339 --> 01:04:34,673
♪♪♪
1297
01:04:34,756 --> 01:04:37,506
...the explosion happened,
1298
01:04:37,589 --> 01:04:40,464
and everything went dark.
1299
01:04:40,547 --> 01:04:41,839
I saw myself on the ground
1300
01:04:41,923 --> 01:04:43,464
after a couple
of minutes there,
1301
01:04:43,547 --> 01:04:46,297
and I realized
that there was a huge,
1302
01:04:46,381 --> 01:04:48,130
um, hole
in the back of my head.
1303
01:04:50,798 --> 01:04:54,339
American University campus
in Kabul, Afghanistan,
1304
01:04:54,422 --> 01:04:55,839
is under attack as we speak.
1305
01:04:55,923 --> 01:04:58,881
At least one university guard
is now dead.
1306
01:04:58,964 --> 01:05:01,714
Officials say that dozens
of students and staff
1307
01:05:01,798 --> 01:05:05,506
are still trapped inside,
their fate unknown.
1308
01:05:05,589 --> 01:05:08,964
Everybody was crying
and screaming.
1309
01:05:09,047 --> 01:05:13,798
The terrorists said,
"Don't scream," you know?
1310
01:05:13,881 --> 01:05:16,255
And then they started shooting.
1311
01:05:16,339 --> 01:05:18,422
♪♪♪
1312
01:05:18,506 --> 01:05:22,756
I felt that somebody's
standing behind me,
1313
01:05:22,839 --> 01:05:26,047
and when I looked at him,
he shot me,
1314
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:28,881
and I pretended to be dead
1315
01:05:28,964 --> 01:05:33,214
because I thought this is
the only way to...
1316
01:05:33,297 --> 01:05:34,881
to save myself.
1317
01:05:34,964 --> 01:05:40,047
♪♪♪
1318
01:05:44,756 --> 01:05:47,005
I was bleeding so badly.
1319
01:05:47,089 --> 01:05:48,881
I was trying to remember
what's happening
1320
01:05:48,964 --> 01:05:50,839
at the university,
1321
01:05:50,923 --> 01:05:54,214
and I remember
what my father told me.
1322
01:05:54,297 --> 01:05:56,547
He said I can't come here,
1323
01:05:56,631 --> 01:06:01,297
and I regretted, um, to have
not accepted what he told me.
1324
01:06:01,381 --> 01:06:05,339
♪♪♪
1325
01:06:05,422 --> 01:06:10,255
I thought, um,
"It's a-it's a dream."
1326
01:06:10,339 --> 01:06:11,631
I wanted to wake up,
1327
01:06:11,714 --> 01:06:13,589
but then I realized
it's not a dream.
1328
01:06:13,673 --> 01:06:15,422
It's reality.
1329
01:06:18,547 --> 01:06:23,047
♪♪♪
1330
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:26,005
This university has educated
more than 100
1331
01:06:26,089 --> 01:06:28,255
top government officials,
young people.
1332
01:06:28,339 --> 01:06:30,089
Afghanistan
is a very young country,
1333
01:06:30,172 --> 01:06:32,422
where 75 percent
of its population
1334
01:06:32,506 --> 01:06:35,547
is below the age of 25,
1335
01:06:35,631 --> 01:06:38,798
so the attack against
the American University
1336
01:06:38,881 --> 01:06:41,381
is an attack
against Afghanistan's future.
1337
01:06:41,464 --> 01:06:46,339
♪♪♪
1338
01:06:48,255 --> 01:06:50,881
We're numb to so many things
in Afghanistan.
1339
01:06:50,964 --> 01:06:54,297
I mean, someone
described PTSD to me,
1340
01:06:54,381 --> 01:06:57,714
and I think
that as Afghans-as Afghans,
1341
01:06:57,798 --> 01:06:59,422
we collectively suffer from it.
1342
01:06:59,506 --> 01:07:04,422
♪♪♪
1343
01:07:06,339 --> 01:07:10,297
Unsafe now are
Afghanistan's journalists.
1344
01:07:10,381 --> 01:07:15,214
A bus carrying TOLO TV
employees was the target.
1345
01:07:16,923 --> 01:07:20,673
We have lost
13 colleagues in three years,
1346
01:07:20,756 --> 01:07:23,047
and they were kids
that we employed,
1347
01:07:23,130 --> 01:07:25,589
and they were members
of our family.
1348
01:07:25,673 --> 01:07:28,047
♪♪♪
1349
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:30,631
It's not just a question
of these young kids
1350
01:07:30,714 --> 01:07:31,839
leaving us far too early.
1351
01:07:31,964 --> 01:07:33,964
It's also their families.
1352
01:07:34,047 --> 01:07:36,214
Sometimes they were
the breadwinners
1353
01:07:36,297 --> 01:07:38,005
of an entire clan.
1354
01:07:38,089 --> 01:07:39,881
♪♪♪
1355
01:07:39,964 --> 01:07:44,047
It brings home how serious,
1356
01:07:44,130 --> 01:07:46,214
you know, what we do is and...
1357
01:07:46,297 --> 01:07:49,130
and how dangerous it is,
and, you know,
1358
01:07:49,214 --> 01:07:52,172
we've created this culture
of telling the truth,
1359
01:07:52,255 --> 01:07:54,172
of pushing boundaries,
1360
01:07:54,255 --> 01:07:55,881
so there's an element of guilt
1361
01:07:55,964 --> 01:07:58,673
that we have exposed
these people.
1362
01:07:58,756 --> 01:07:59,839
The Taliban
said it meant
1363
01:07:59,923 --> 01:08:01,381
to target the journalists,
1364
01:08:01,464 --> 01:08:04,798
that the channel had accused
their fighters of raping women
1365
01:08:04,881 --> 01:08:08,130
when they briefly seized
the city of Kunduz last year.
1366
01:08:09,798 --> 01:08:12,422
You think it through, and then
you think, you seriously think,
1367
01:08:12,506 --> 01:08:15,339
"Do we need to do this?
Is it that important?
1368
01:08:15,422 --> 01:08:16,714
If we can save a life,
1369
01:08:16,798 --> 01:08:19,255
is it worth having
a news outlet?"
1370
01:08:19,339 --> 01:08:21,589
♪♪♪
1371
01:08:21,673 --> 01:08:23,130
For the Taliban,
1372
01:08:23,214 --> 01:08:26,422
their ideology
is so important for them,
1373
01:08:26,506 --> 01:08:28,881
and the values that we push,
1374
01:08:28,964 --> 01:08:30,381
whether it's women's rights
and so forth,
1375
01:08:30,464 --> 01:08:33,047
goes very much against
what they believe in.
1376
01:08:33,964 --> 01:08:37,047
But also, I think that we
represent the new Afghanistan
1377
01:08:37,130 --> 01:08:39,923
because the country
has moved on,
1378
01:08:40,005 --> 01:08:43,172
and for them,
it's difficult to accept that.
1379
01:08:53,422 --> 01:08:57,464
I take some hope
from the fact that now Afghans
1380
01:08:57,547 --> 01:08:59,631
on both sides of the conflict,
1381
01:08:59,714 --> 01:09:01,255
they're incredibly tired
of this war.
1382
01:09:01,339 --> 01:09:04,422
They're not baying for blood.
They want to see an end to it.
1383
01:09:04,506 --> 01:09:06,756
With people I trust
amongst the Taliban,
1384
01:09:06,839 --> 01:09:09,130
we're involved in a collective
effort to make sense
1385
01:09:09,214 --> 01:09:11,464
about what's going on
inside their own movement,
1386
01:09:11,547 --> 01:09:14,422
about what's going on in Kabul
and amongst the-the--
1387
01:09:14,506 --> 01:09:16,255
you know,
the non-Taliban Afghans,
1388
01:09:16,339 --> 01:09:19,714
and making sense of what
the United States is doing.
1389
01:09:19,798 --> 01:09:22,714
Speaking native language
1390
01:09:24,172 --> 01:09:27,005
United States
had a very difficult time,
1391
01:09:27,089 --> 01:09:30,839
almost from the beginning
of the Afghan War,
1392
01:09:30,923 --> 01:09:33,089
deciding whether the Taliban
1393
01:09:33,172 --> 01:09:35,422
was an enemy
of the United States.
1394
01:09:35,506 --> 01:09:37,798
Are they a threat
to the United States?
1395
01:09:37,881 --> 01:09:40,798
Well, they're a threat
to our ally in Afghanistan,
1396
01:09:40,881 --> 01:09:45,714
but no Taliban, uh,
has declared an intention
1397
01:09:45,798 --> 01:09:47,339
to strike the United States,
1398
01:09:47,422 --> 01:09:50,130
certainly not
in an official way.
1399
01:09:50,214 --> 01:09:51,964
In fact,
they say the opposite--
1400
01:09:52,047 --> 01:09:53,255
"We're only fighting you
1401
01:09:53,339 --> 01:09:54,464
because you're here
in our country.
1402
01:09:54,547 --> 01:09:56,631
If you get out of our country,
we'll leave you alone."
1403
01:09:56,714 --> 01:09:58,464
Right now the Taliban,
1404
01:09:58,547 --> 01:10:01,714
they don't like ISIS
any more than we do,
1405
01:10:01,798 --> 01:10:04,255
so there's a war
going on there
1406
01:10:04,339 --> 01:10:06,881
while the Taliban still
blow up people in-in Kabul
1407
01:10:06,964 --> 01:10:09,047
and around the country.
1408
01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:11,297
I do think, at this point,
1409
01:10:11,381 --> 01:10:14,130
the Taliban may have learned
their lesson
1410
01:10:14,214 --> 01:10:17,005
about harboring al-Qaeda.
1411
01:10:17,089 --> 01:10:18,506
Now, why they're
after Americans now?
1412
01:10:18,589 --> 01:10:19,756
Because they're in Afghanistan.
1413
01:10:19,839 --> 01:10:21,506
We're there.
1414
01:10:21,589 --> 01:10:25,255
And for the Taliban and for-
for Afghanistan in general,
1415
01:10:25,339 --> 01:10:30,130
the way to communicate is,
you hurt them till they leave.
1416
01:10:30,214 --> 01:10:32,923
They did it to the Russians,
you know,
1417
01:10:33,005 --> 01:10:35,506
and-and they're doing it to us.
1418
01:10:35,589 --> 01:10:37,339
An American soldier
is dead tonight
1419
01:10:37,422 --> 01:10:38,964
after a Taliban car bomb
exploded
1420
01:10:39,047 --> 01:10:40,756
in Kabul, Afghanistan.
1421
01:10:40,839 --> 01:10:43,923
Ten civilians and
a military soldier from Romania
1422
01:10:44,005 --> 01:10:45,381
also killed in that attack,
1423
01:10:45,464 --> 01:10:49,422
which comes as the U.S.
tries to finalize a peace deal.
1424
01:10:50,172 --> 01:10:50,923
I'm really interested
1425
01:10:51,005 --> 01:10:52,255
in that whole incident,
1426
01:10:52,339 --> 01:10:55,506
partly because there was
a video someone took
1427
01:10:55,589 --> 01:10:56,714
right when it happened,
1428
01:10:56,798 --> 01:11:00,214
and there's an Afghan man who--
1429
01:11:00,297 --> 01:11:02,214
I think he sees
the truck or van
1430
01:11:02,297 --> 01:11:04,089
kind of coming on
to the sidewalk,
1431
01:11:04,172 --> 01:11:07,255
and you can see he knows,
and he starts to run,
1432
01:11:07,339 --> 01:11:11,881
and then he dies
when it blows up.
1433
01:11:11,964 --> 01:11:16,381
That video went really viral,
and it was such a sad story
1434
01:11:16,464 --> 01:11:18,839
'cause it was--
I think he was a shopkeeper,
1435
01:11:18,923 --> 01:11:21,130
and he usually sent
his assistant to do something
1436
01:11:21,214 --> 01:11:22,923
but decided that day
to give his assistant a break
1437
01:11:23,005 --> 01:11:24,130
and he would go do it.
1438
01:11:24,214 --> 01:11:26,214
I can't remember
the exact story,
1439
01:11:26,297 --> 01:11:28,881
but something about that moment
1440
01:11:28,964 --> 01:11:33,339
and people seeing him
kind of know what's coming
1441
01:11:33,422 --> 01:11:34,589
and try to escape,
1442
01:11:34,673 --> 01:11:37,798
I think every Afghan
saw themselves in that,
1443
01:11:37,881 --> 01:11:40,130
and that's why people
just kept watching it
1444
01:11:40,214 --> 01:11:41,464
over and over and over,
1445
01:11:41,547 --> 01:11:44,172
but that is what life
has become, you know?
1446
01:11:44,255 --> 01:11:45,381
You're just waiting
1447
01:11:45,464 --> 01:11:48,839
or hoping you can outrun
whatever's coming.
1448
01:11:48,923 --> 01:11:53,422
♪♪♪
1449
01:11:53,506 --> 01:11:55,089
We're like policemen.
We're not fighting a war.
1450
01:11:55,172 --> 01:11:57,756
If we wanted to fight a war
in Afghanistan and win it,
1451
01:11:57,839 --> 01:12:00,756
I could win that war in a week.
1452
01:12:00,839 --> 01:12:03,005
I just don't want to kill
ten million people.
1453
01:12:03,089 --> 01:12:04,381
Does that make sense to you?
1454
01:12:04,464 --> 01:12:06,964
I don't want to kill
ten million people.
1455
01:12:07,047 --> 01:12:09,172
I have plans on Afghanistan
1456
01:12:09,255 --> 01:12:11,589
that if I wanted
to win that war,
1457
01:12:11,673 --> 01:12:14,589
Afghanistan would be wiped
off the face of the Earth.
1458
01:12:14,673 --> 01:12:15,923
It would be gone.
1459
01:12:16,005 --> 01:12:19,631
It would be over in--
literally in ten days,
1460
01:12:19,714 --> 01:12:22,422
and I don't want to do--
I don't want to go that route.
1461
01:12:22,506 --> 01:12:25,798
United States
does not owe us anything.
1462
01:12:25,881 --> 01:12:30,381
They can pull out
any second they wish,
1463
01:12:30,464 --> 01:12:33,089
but what will be
the interpretation
1464
01:12:33,172 --> 01:12:35,756
of this pullout?
1465
01:12:35,839 --> 01:12:38,631
There will be,
whether you like it or not,
1466
01:12:38,714 --> 01:12:40,255
a domino effect.
1467
01:12:41,589 --> 01:12:44,923
This will be celebration
for terrorists.
1468
01:12:45,005 --> 01:12:49,214
The mightiest power
in the globe running away,
1469
01:12:49,297 --> 01:12:51,589
leaving the scene to who?
1470
01:12:51,673 --> 01:12:53,714
I'm not saying they must stay.
1471
01:12:53,798 --> 01:12:57,589
I mean, they-they can leave
any moment they wish.
1472
01:12:57,673 --> 01:12:59,297
Seeing what
we've seen in Afghanistan
1473
01:12:59,381 --> 01:13:02,839
and our involvement in it,
being our longest-running war,
1474
01:13:02,923 --> 01:13:05,047
the theory is kind of
panning out.
1475
01:13:07,214 --> 01:13:11,089
I don't see
how this war can be won.
1476
01:13:13,506 --> 01:13:15,923
A bombshell series
of investigative reports
1477
01:13:16,005 --> 01:13:17,214
in The Washington Post
1478
01:13:17,297 --> 01:13:19,422
exposing heartbreaking truths
1479
01:13:19,506 --> 01:13:21,297
about the U.S. war
in Afghanistan,
1480
01:13:21,381 --> 01:13:23,589
which has claimed
some 2,400 U.S. lives
1481
01:13:23,673 --> 01:13:27,172
and cost nearly
a trillion dollars.
1482
01:13:27,255 --> 01:13:28,506
The first thing we did,
1483
01:13:28,589 --> 01:13:30,089
the first story
was just to show
1484
01:13:30,172 --> 01:13:31,673
that disconnect between what
they were saying in public
1485
01:13:31,756 --> 01:13:32,923
and what they were
saying privately,
1486
01:13:33,005 --> 01:13:34,339
but then,
as you pointed out,
1487
01:13:34,422 --> 01:13:35,756
we-we focus
on certain themes,
1488
01:13:35,839 --> 01:13:38,339
certain core failings
of the war.
1489
01:13:38,422 --> 01:13:41,255
That's the gist
of-of the series.
1490
01:13:41,339 --> 01:13:42,631
A new report claims
that the American people
1491
01:13:42,714 --> 01:13:45,339
were misled
about the War in Afghanistan.
1492
01:13:45,422 --> 01:13:48,297
A Washington Post investigation
looked at nearly 2,000 pages
1493
01:13:48,381 --> 01:13:50,214
of internal
government documents
1494
01:13:50,297 --> 01:13:51,798
and found that senior
U.S. officials
1495
01:13:51,881 --> 01:13:54,214
did not tell the truth.
1496
01:13:54,297 --> 01:13:55,714
"Built to Fail.
1497
01:13:55,798 --> 01:13:58,214
Despite vows the U.S. wouldn't
get mired in nation building,
1498
01:13:58,297 --> 01:14:00,381
it has wasted billions
doing just that."
1499
01:14:01,839 --> 01:14:03,714
Uh, "Consumed by Corruption.
1500
01:14:03,798 --> 01:14:05,714
The U.S. flooded the country
with money
1501
01:14:05,798 --> 01:14:07,714
and then turned a blind eye
to the graft it fueled."
1502
01:14:07,798 --> 01:14:09,047
"Unguarded Nation.
1503
01:14:09,130 --> 01:14:11,297
Afghan security forces,
despite years of training,
1504
01:14:11,381 --> 01:14:13,547
were dogged by incompetence
and corruption."
1505
01:14:13,631 --> 01:14:18,506
And the last day, uh,
"Overwhelmed by Opium.
1506
01:14:18,589 --> 01:14:20,464
The U.S. war on drugs
in Afghanistan
1507
01:14:20,547 --> 01:14:23,214
has imploded
at nearly every turn."
1508
01:14:23,297 --> 01:14:25,255
I think the main
headline is that, you know,
1509
01:14:25,339 --> 01:14:28,547
for 18 years,
U.S. government, generals,
1510
01:14:28,631 --> 01:14:30,464
ambassadors, diplomats
1511
01:14:30,547 --> 01:14:31,923
were giving
rosy pronouncements
1512
01:14:32,005 --> 01:14:33,297
about the War in Afghanistan,
1513
01:14:33,381 --> 01:14:36,381
even though they knew the war
was not going well
1514
01:14:36,464 --> 01:14:37,756
or it was failing
1515
01:14:37,839 --> 01:14:40,047
or that they had profound
doubts about the strategy.
1516
01:14:40,130 --> 01:14:42,464
So, in public,
they were saying one thing
1517
01:14:42,547 --> 01:14:44,089
about how they were
making progress
1518
01:14:44,172 --> 01:14:46,381
and this was
a war worth fighting.
1519
01:14:46,464 --> 01:14:47,756
In private,
1520
01:14:47,839 --> 01:14:49,923
they admitted they had no idea
what they were doing.
1521
01:14:50,005 --> 01:14:52,255
"We didn't know
what we were doing,"
1522
01:14:52,339 --> 01:14:55,214
said now-retired Lieutenant
General Douglas Lute,
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01:14:55,297 --> 01:14:59,464
who was the Afghan war czar
for Presidents Bush and Obama.
1524
01:14:59,547 --> 01:15:01,964
I can't think of another war
1525
01:15:02,047 --> 01:15:04,923
where you have the generals
in charge of it
1526
01:15:05,005 --> 01:15:08,089
admitting that their strategy
was fatally flawed,
1527
01:15:08,172 --> 01:15:10,881
and to say that
in such raw terms,
1528
01:15:11,005 --> 01:15:13,923
it's not just news,
it's-it's history.
1529
01:15:14,005 --> 01:15:16,464
We simply didn't know
what we were doing.
1530
01:15:16,547 --> 01:15:20,547
It wasn't even mission creep.
It was mission fantasy.
1531
01:15:20,631 --> 01:15:23,839
How do we ever believe in our
military people in the future?
1532
01:15:23,923 --> 01:15:25,714
I mean, it's like a spouse
who's been cheated on.
1533
01:15:25,798 --> 01:15:27,130
How do I ever
trust you again?
1534
01:15:27,214 --> 01:15:28,798
In a country increasingly
divided every day,
1535
01:15:28,881 --> 01:15:30,297
it's nice to learn
that there's one issue
1536
01:15:30,381 --> 01:15:32,464
that brings America's leaders
together--
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01:15:32,547 --> 01:15:33,756
lying about war.
1538
01:15:33,839 --> 01:15:36,798
♪ Dramatic music ♪
1539
01:15:36,881 --> 01:15:40,589
♪♪♪
1540
01:15:40,673 --> 01:15:41,756
I think the American public
1541
01:15:41,839 --> 01:15:43,506
has always wanted
to support the war.
1542
01:15:43,589 --> 01:15:44,714
They wanted to support
the troops here.
1543
01:15:44,798 --> 01:15:47,172
This is very different
from Iraq or other conflicts
1544
01:15:47,255 --> 01:15:49,714
around the world, and--
but over time,
1545
01:15:49,798 --> 01:15:52,381
it's become clear, I think,
to the American people
1546
01:15:52,464 --> 01:15:54,756
that this wasn't working out
as intended.
1547
01:15:54,839 --> 01:15:57,339
It took years and years
much longer than they thought,
1548
01:15:57,422 --> 01:15:59,839
and they've heard three
presidents talk about this.
1549
01:15:59,923 --> 01:16:01,547
And they knew it didn't add up.
1550
01:16:01,631 --> 01:16:06,255
♪♪♪
1551
01:16:06,339 --> 01:16:08,339
Building schools
and protecting women's rights
1552
01:16:08,422 --> 01:16:11,214
and so on, that's not
what this war is about.
1553
01:16:11,297 --> 01:16:13,297
Those have always
been secondary
1554
01:16:13,381 --> 01:16:14,589
to the primary objective,
1555
01:16:14,673 --> 01:16:19,089
which has been
to hunt Taliban and al-Qaeda.
1556
01:16:19,172 --> 01:16:21,839
The secret detentions,
the torture,
1557
01:16:21,923 --> 01:16:25,881
ceaseless night raids,
air strikes, drone attacks,
1558
01:16:25,964 --> 01:16:29,673
when I said it's a CIA war,
meaning they've sort of set
1559
01:16:29,756 --> 01:16:33,214
the priorities for the war,
1560
01:16:33,297 --> 01:16:37,297
and for the Afghans,
this is a never-ending war,
1561
01:16:37,381 --> 01:16:40,130
and many of them
have seen nothing but.
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01:16:40,214 --> 01:16:44,631
♪♪♪
1563
01:16:44,714 --> 01:16:47,214
The U.S. and the Taliban
have just signed
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01:16:47,297 --> 01:16:50,047
a landmark agreement
that could finally lead
1565
01:16:50,130 --> 01:16:53,214
to an end of hostilities
in Afghanistan.
1566
01:16:53,297 --> 01:16:56,798
After two decades of war,
the U.S. and the Afghan Taliban
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01:16:56,881 --> 01:16:59,047
have just signed
a long-awaited deal
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01:16:59,130 --> 01:17:00,714
aimed at paving the way
to peace
1569
01:17:00,798 --> 01:17:03,047
and the departure
of foreign troops.
1570
01:17:03,130 --> 01:17:04,547
Not part of the deal?
1571
01:17:04,631 --> 01:17:05,756
Any commitments
from the Taliban
1572
01:17:05,839 --> 01:17:07,547
to protect the civil rights
of people
1573
01:17:07,631 --> 01:17:09,047
they so brutally repressed
1574
01:17:09,130 --> 01:17:12,881
when last in power,
particularly women.
1575
01:17:12,964 --> 01:17:15,047
Afghanistan
has suffered for 40 years,
1576
01:17:15,130 --> 01:17:16,798
so it's very hard to see
how this country
1577
01:17:16,881 --> 01:17:18,839
is going to be able
to pull together.
1578
01:17:18,923 --> 01:17:20,464
The coming days and months
are going to decide
1579
01:17:20,547 --> 01:17:22,839
whether peace in Afghanistan
is going to move
1580
01:17:22,923 --> 01:17:25,464
from a signed document
to reality on the ground.
1581
01:17:25,547 --> 01:17:29,923
I really believe the Taliban
wants to do something to show
1582
01:17:30,005 --> 01:17:33,255
that we're not
all wasting time.
1583
01:17:33,339 --> 01:17:35,923
If bad things happen,
we'll go back.
1584
01:17:36,005 --> 01:17:40,881
♪♪♪
1585
01:17:42,714 --> 01:17:44,923
Meeting with Afghans,
you can tell
1586
01:17:45,005 --> 01:17:49,381
they've lost faith in their
American counterparts
1587
01:17:49,464 --> 01:17:52,255
because of the historical
flip-flopping
1588
01:17:52,339 --> 01:17:55,422
and pulling back
and pushing back into areas,
1589
01:17:55,506 --> 01:17:57,714
and you can see in their eyes
1590
01:17:57,798 --> 01:18:02,172
the weariness and frustration,
1591
01:18:02,255 --> 01:18:03,673
'cause it's their country.
1592
01:18:03,756 --> 01:18:08,047
It's their families,
and it's their people,
1593
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:11,756
and we come and go...
1594
01:18:11,839 --> 01:18:13,631
and that hurts.
1595
01:18:18,005 --> 01:18:22,714
After the attack,
I went to the United States.
1596
01:18:22,798 --> 01:18:25,673
My medical treatment
was sponsored
1597
01:18:25,756 --> 01:18:30,047
by a hospital in Dallas.
1598
01:18:30,130 --> 01:18:33,881
I spent six months
in the hospital,
1599
01:18:33,964 --> 01:18:38,255
and many people told me
to stay there in the U.S.,
1600
01:18:38,339 --> 01:18:41,964
but I really wanted
to graduate,
1601
01:18:42,047 --> 01:18:45,798
and also, I wanted
to come back to Afghanistan.
1602
01:18:45,881 --> 01:18:49,464
I don't know,
but I wanted to come back.
1603
01:18:49,547 --> 01:18:50,798
I don't hate those people
1604
01:18:50,881 --> 01:18:52,464
who attacked my university,
1605
01:18:52,547 --> 01:18:55,964
because one day,
with the education I receive,
1606
01:18:56,047 --> 01:19:00,756
I want to bring a change that
will affect their children.
1607
01:19:00,839 --> 01:19:03,964
Educated people
are leaving the country
1608
01:19:04,047 --> 01:19:08,172
because of insecurity,
but if everybody leaves,
1609
01:19:08,255 --> 01:19:10,798
who will do something
for the country?
1610
01:19:15,547 --> 01:19:16,756
We cannot just depend
1611
01:19:16,839 --> 01:19:21,756
on the United States
for peace.
1612
01:19:21,839 --> 01:19:25,339
So I think I have the
responsibility to work for it,
1613
01:19:25,422 --> 01:19:27,381
because this is the time.
1614
01:19:27,464 --> 01:19:29,798
The country is in need.
1615
01:19:31,297 --> 01:19:32,964
Afghanistan
is the youngest country
1616
01:19:33,047 --> 01:19:35,798
outside of Africa,
median age of 18.
1617
01:19:35,881 --> 01:19:37,464
I think 60 percent
of the population
1618
01:19:37,547 --> 01:19:38,964
is under the age of 20,
1619
01:19:39,047 --> 01:19:40,714
so there's certainly
this appetite,
1620
01:19:40,798 --> 01:19:43,172
this capacity
to embrace change.
1621
01:19:46,255 --> 01:19:48,506
♪♪♪
1622
01:19:48,589 --> 01:19:50,381
You know, in life,
you get one shot
1623
01:19:50,464 --> 01:19:54,756
at doing something
that is impactful.
1624
01:19:54,839 --> 01:19:57,005
Whether we're successful or not
is another story,
1625
01:19:57,089 --> 01:19:59,297
but we-we've tried.
1626
01:19:59,381 --> 01:20:01,631
♪♪♪
1627
01:20:01,714 --> 01:20:04,339
buwee' ted
1628
01:20:04,422 --> 01:20:05,255
♪♪
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