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["Star Trek" theme]
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male narrator:
On September 8th, 1966,
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America tunes in to catch
a glimpse of the future
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and launches
a global phenomenon.
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A television series
like no other
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that unites us
in its vision
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of a better world to come.
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- Here's a group of people who
are solving problems together,
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and they're all different,
diverse people.
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narrator: This is the secret
history of "Star Trek."
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It's epic 50-year mission.
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- That was what was so brilliant
about "Star Trek"
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was that it was human nature
and human instinct
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and the drive to want
to know more
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combined with adventure.
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narrator: The mastermind
of the "Star Trek" universe.
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- And Gene says, "Do you want
to be on Star Trek?"
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I said, "Yes.
Yes!"
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narrator: The cast and crew
reveal the stories
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you've never heard.
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- Roddenberry looked
at the beard and goes,
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"I love the beard.
It's nautical."
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narrator: Plus Leonard Nimoy's
final full interview.
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- If I were given the choice
of any character
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ever portrayed on television,
I would choose Spock.
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- Happy anniversary,
"Star Trek."
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Happy 50th.
Wow, way to go.
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- Before anybody else
were touching on subjects,
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racism, segregation,
discrimination,
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before any other
TV shows did.
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- "Star Trek: Voyager"
is probably my first acting job.
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- There's an optimism to it
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that I think we've never needed
more than now.
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- Seven of Nine's one of my
favorite "Star Trek" characters
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because she was so hot.
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narrator: Featuring an intimate
conversation with cast members,
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comedians, scientists,
and academics
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covering all things
"Star Trek."
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- That was one of my big fears
in accepting the role.
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- Happy 50th anniversary,
"Star Trek."
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You know how old
that makes me?
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narrator:
"50 Years of 'Star Trek."
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- We're here on the 50th
anniversary of "Star Trek"
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at the Griffith Observatory
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outside
the Leonard Nimoy theater
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to discuss "Star Trek"
with a lot of great people
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and a lot of fine minds
and Kevin Pollak.
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[laughter]
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Let's just jump
right into it.
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Let's talk about the general
impact of "Star Trek."
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- The great sense of discovery
and curiosity
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on this five-year mission
to seek out new worlds.
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You know, those--those--
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that phraseology
was kind of impactful.
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- "The Measure of Man"
where Data's on trial,
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that's the episode that led me
to create my class.
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- Oh, wow.
- Because it has references
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to slavery in it,
and I thought about,
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"Gee,
this is very interesting."
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You know, there's a whole
pro-slavery argument.
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It's really the Dred Scott
decision worked out there.
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- Yeah.
- Is Data property or not?
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- I saw a couple
of episodes
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of the original series
when I was a kid
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because you can't not
have seen some things.
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I saw the Tribble episode,
I think,
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and I saw the planet of kids,
"grups."
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And they were saying,
"Grups, grups," that one.
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Whatever.
- Yeah.
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- But I was never a sci-fi fan,
so I wasn't into it.
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And I never watched
any of the other incarnations
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until I was on the show.
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- I saw "Star Trek" as this,
you know,
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amazing way of bringing humanity
together, right?
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You had the height
of the Cold War.
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You had a Russian and American
people working together.
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You had black people and white
people working together.
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That's an incredible thing
to see as a kid
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when, you know,
you're from two worlds
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that really also
don't get along.
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- I first started
on the original series,
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my mother was a big fan,
and those were reruns
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that were happening
at the time.
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It was right before
"Next Generation" started
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and it was--I just always
was fascinated
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by Dr. McCoy's grumpiness.
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That relationship with Spock
I thought was amazing.
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He just was, like,
"I can't stand you,
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but I love you."
- Yeah.
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- And I was like,
"Oh, that's my family."
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[laughter]
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I understand everything
from "Star Trek."
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- Yes.
- You know, it's funny
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because I wasn't allowed
to watch TV
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when "Star Trek"
was on the air.
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My parents wouldn't let me
watch it.
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So I snuck downstairs
and I turned on the TV.
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And, uh, that was my first--
the first time I saw the show.
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I think it was, um,
"This Side of Paradise"
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was the episode.
- Oh.
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- And you could tell
that whoever was doing the show
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was a science fiction fan.
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*
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narrator: "Star Trek" begins
as the brainchild of one man,
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Gene Roddenberry,
a former World War II pilot
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and policeman
turned screenwriter.
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His first television series
premieres in 1963,
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and features a few faces
that will soon become familiar
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to "Trek" fans.
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- He was a big man,
enthusiastic.
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He really, really loved
producing a show,
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which he had never done
before.
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He created "The Lieutenant."
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[patriotic music]
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- It was "The Lieutenant."
It was his first big TV show.
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And he cast me.
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- I had acted in an episode of a
series called "The Lieutenant"
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that was produced
by Gene Roddenberry.
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My agent called me and said,
"He's interested in you
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for a science fiction pilot
that he's gonna produce.
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narrator: "The Lieutenant" runs
for just one season,
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but Roddenberry's already
working on a bigger idea.
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In 1964, he begins pitching
a series about a starship
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with a multi-ethnic crew.
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- I had worked for him directly
when his secretary was ill.
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And he knew that I had
sold some things
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that I wanted to be a writer,
a full-time writer.
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And he called me into his
office and said,
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"What do you think of this?"
And he showed me
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about a 10-12 page piece
that was called "Star Trek."
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- Well, he had done...
both: "The Lieutenant."
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- I went in to do a pitch
on a story.
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Somehow or another,
he asked if I was interested
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in doing "Star Trek."
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I said, "Yeah,
I would be interested in that."
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- And I went home,
and I read it,
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and I came back the next day,
and I said,
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"Who plays Mr. Spock."
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- The script was very good,
very good.
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I didn't quite understand
how it was gonna work
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as a television show
because it was so unique.
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It was really quite special.
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But it was
a very intelligent script.
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It had layers of ideas in it
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that you didn't often get
in television.
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- Roddenberry
was very inspired
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by Jonathan Swift's
"Gulliver's Travels."
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And wanted to tell stories
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that you couldn't
normally tell on television
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through the prism
of science fiction.
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- He was such a complex
and interesting man.
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Very bright,
very bright.
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Hard-working.
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Tough job, tough job.
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Particularly getting
"Star Trek" right
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the first couple of seasons.
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To get it--to get it
what he wanted it to be.
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- They didn't think there was
a big enough audience out there.
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They thought it was gonna be
sci-fi kooks and kids.
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And they didn't think they could
make enough money
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from their sponsors
to put these on in prime-time.
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Well, they had put on "Voyage
to the Bottom of the Sea"
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in fall of '64,
winning its timeslot for ABC.
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Fall of '65, he puts on
"Lost In Space" on CBS.
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It's winning its timeslot
for CBS.
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That was when they made
the decision to put it on
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for the fall of '66.
NBC wants one.
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They felt they were missing
the boat.
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narrator:
President John F. Kennedy
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issues a challenge:
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To put a man on the moon
before the end of the decade.
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The space race heats up
as America looks to the stars.
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And one unlikely supporter
sees an opportunity.
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- Well, "Star Trek" may be
the first TV show
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I can really remember.
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"Star Trek"
and "Mission: Impossible."
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In fact, the both--the two great
Desilu productions.
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- The other player
in "Star Trek"
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and get it on the air
was Lucille Ball
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with Desilu Studios.
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- It was Lucille Ball who said,
"Let's make this."
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- That studio was built
on reruns.
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And when "I Love Lucy"
was in production,
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they wanted to film it
here in LA.
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So they said, "We'll pay the
difference and film this
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if we can have
the rerun rights."
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And the answer
from Harry Ackerman at CBS was,
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"What's a rerun?"
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Nobody had ever rerun anything
on TV.
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They shot it live,
it was gone.
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And "Star Trek"
was brought in.
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And Lucy said, "I think that
could rerun for ten years.
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Well, here we are
50 years later.
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"I Love Lucy" is still on
five days a week
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in every city
around the country.
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And probably the second most
rerun show
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in the history of television
is "Star Trek."
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Let's give her credit,
Lucy loved "Star Trek."
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And we wouldn't have had
"Star Trek" without Lucy,
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so we love Lucy.
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- You know, my father passed
away when I was 17.
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He's got such a legacy
and he's touched so many people
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that I've learned a great deal
about him after his passing.
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You know, he was a bomber pilot
in World War II.
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He flew something like, uh,
is it 79 or 89 missions.
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My father had seen the best
of humanity
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and he'd seen the worst
of humanity.
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But I think that really helped
shape his view
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of "Star Trek"
and that better future.
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narrator: The pilot episode of
"Star Trek" is filmed in 1965,
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introducing the world
to what would become
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one of the most iconic
characters of all time,
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Mr. Spock.
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- And he shoved a picture
of Leonard Nimoy
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across the desk at me.
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At that point,
he was a Martian first officer.
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- He said a character
with pointed ears,
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and that set me back
a bit.
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I had to think
about that one.
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- Leonard was an actor.
He was a real actor.
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- And he walked me through
the various departments.
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He showed me where they were
making the props.
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He showed me where the sets
were being designed,
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the design for the Enterprise,
the ship.
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And I realized that he was
selling me on this job.
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And that's the way
it would happen.
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narrator: The network orders
a new "Star Trek" pilot.
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Spock stays on board,
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but the Enterprise gets
an entirely new crew,
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including a brash,
young captain,
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James T. Kirk.
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- William Shatner had Kirk down
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from act one, scene one,
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and he played that through
right till the end
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in "Star Trek: Generations"
in 1994.
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- You know, Shatner,
who's totally nailing the part,
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but DeForest Kelley,
the person that Gene wanted
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from the beginning
for Dr. McCoy.
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- Scotty felt like he was
a little more fully formed
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as a character.
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There was an empathy with
Jimmy Doohan's performance.
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We just liked Scotty. You wanted
to hang out with Scotty.
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You wanted to go have a drink in
the bar with Scotty, you know?
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- It's a very hallowed
and beloved thing
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that you don't want
to mess up.
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I feel honored
to play Scotty.
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I will always defer
to the greatest Scotty ever,
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which was James Doohan,
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but if I can do half as good as
he did, then I'll be happy.
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- George Takei, who plays
Mr. Sulu, sat at the helm.
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- An Asian man
on a show like this,
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you seldom saw
anything like that.
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And here he was,
a man with responsibilities.
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He was the helmsman.
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- Everyone, Nichelle,
just beautiful and smart
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and an incredible role model
as Uhura.
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- I think the first memory
of "Star Trek" really was going,
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"Oh, look..."
[chuckles]
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"There's a black lady
in the future."
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And this was
the first time I knew
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we would be in the future.
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- Later on,
Walter Koenig as Chekov.
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- If the circumstances
hadn't fallen the way they did,
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if things hadn't happened
the way they did,
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then I probably never
been in for the role
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of Chekov on "Star Trek."
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I read one line.
He says, "You got the part."
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And that was the part
of a Russian.
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- Who had a Russian
on the show?
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We were still just reaching out
trying to make contact
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with Russia
in a friendly sense.
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- To bring these people together
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created the magic
that is "Star Trek."
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- From day one, we got along...
[snaps]
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just like that.
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narrator: With the cast
and crew assembled,
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the Enterprise is nearly ready
to begin its mission.
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But Roddenberry knows
something is missing.
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- G.R said, "I gotta do
an opening for the show."
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So he said,
"You take a shot at it,
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I'll take a shot at it,
we'll see what happens."
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- It was, "Space...
the final frontier,"
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was yours, wasn't it?
- Yeah.
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"The final frontier."
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- "Space...
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"the final frontier.
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["Star Trek" theme]
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- So it was some Roddenberry,
it was some Black.
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We came out with...
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"Boldy go where no man
has gone before."
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- To boldly go where no man
has gone before.
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*
293
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narrator:
NBC premieres "Star Trek"
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on a Thursday night
in the fall of 1966.
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- Well, the first episode
of "Star Trek,""The Man Trap,"
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had 47% audience share.
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Lucy wrote a memo
to Gene Roddenberry saying,
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"Congratulations, boys,
you're a hit."
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- Back in the late '60s,
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what "Star Trek" was doing
on television was cutting edge.
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It was ahead of its time.
302
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- This was the first time we saw
a miniskirt on television.
303
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"Star Trek" premiered
in September of '66,
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the mini made its debut
in London
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in the summer of '66
and had not made it to America.
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He was way ahead
of his time.
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- It was also
a science fiction series
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that took the subject matter
very seriously.
309
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narrator: "Star Trek" is unlike
anything on television
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at the time,
but what makes it unique
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also threatens
to destroy it.
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narrator:
"Star Trek" premieres in 1966,
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and instantly becomes one of
the most ground-breaking series
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in the history of television.
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Gene Roddenberry's vision
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is a sign of changing times
in America.
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- A story about a hopeful future
made in a difficult time.
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The times were tough.
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The war in Vietnam, the racial
issues that were happening,
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riots in the streets,
riots at political conventions.
321
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People were angry and upset
and nervous and concerned.
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And it was this thing
that said, "Hey,
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"in the future we have a way
of dealing with these issues.
324
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"It's gonna be okay.
325
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"Here's a group of people who
are solving problems together.
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And they're all different,
diverse people."
327
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narrator: "Star Trek"
tackles the most pressing
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social issues of its day.
329
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- We had the one
where Uhura and Kirk kissed.
330
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That, I think, was more of--
I mean, I think that was great.
331
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And the people in the South,
there were probably
332
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a lot of people jumping out
of windows at that.
333
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- The director was nervous.
334
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The front office at Paramount
was nervous,
335
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which was just dumb, you know,
then don't do it,
336
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which is what I said.
337
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And they went,
"You don't want to do it?"
338
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I said, "I want to do it.
It's written in the script.
339
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It's a great scene."
340
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This is the first interracial
kiss on television.
341
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[dramatic music]
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*
343
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[applause and laughter]
344
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- They were writing some pretty
major stuff in those days.
345
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I mean, very eloquent writers.
Very knowledgeable.
346
00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:44,051
- They did "Mark of Gideon,"
which got a lot of flack,
347
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about birth control,
overpopulation.
348
00:14:47,754 --> 00:14:49,289
'Cause nobody had talked
about that on TV
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up until that point.
350
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NBC was disappointed with
"Star Trek" from the get-go,
351
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but the rating were not bad
352
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and the fan mail was huge.
353
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"Star Trek" is doing things
354
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that a lot of the affiliates
were uncomfortable with,
355
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so they kept moving it
from one bad slot to another
356
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until they finally put it
in the death slot
357
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to get rid of this show.
358
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That is what killed
"Star Trek."
359
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narrator:
The original series is canceled
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after 3 seasons
and 79 episodes.
361
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But it's gained
a cult following
362
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that's become undeniable.
363
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Within four years,
"Trek" is back on the air.
364
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This time reaching a new
generation of young fans.
365
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["Star Trek:
The Animated Series" theme]
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*
367
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- My first contact with
"Star Trek"
368
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was probably watching
the animated series
369
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on Saturday morning TV
in the early '70s.
370
00:15:43,076 --> 00:15:46,379
And, you know, I was really
struck by the, you know,
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the bright colors
of the uniforms.
372
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- The fans were very wary.
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In fact, some of the cast
was wary too.
374
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They felt, "Hey, 'Star Trek'
is starting to get momentum.
375
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"We think there could be
more life in this.
376
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But if we do a cartoon,
it's gonna kill it."
377
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And Gene Roddenberry
was very cagey and very smart.
378
00:16:01,761 --> 00:16:03,763
He says, "No,
this will fan the flames.
379
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This will keep it alive
rather than let it disappear."
380
00:16:06,133 --> 00:16:07,600
And he was right.
381
00:16:07,634 --> 00:16:10,137
- It sounds funny
for saying this,
382
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but it has never been canceled.
383
00:16:13,206 --> 00:16:19,446
You know, um, we were just off
longer than we wanted to be.
384
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- So then we have the '70s,
right, '70s hit.
385
00:16:28,621 --> 00:16:31,091
Everyone went to see
that "Star Wars" situation.
386
00:16:31,124 --> 00:16:33,060
[laughter]
I think we can make some money.
387
00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:35,295
- So you had a TV script that
was being padded out
388
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into a motion picture.
389
00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:38,465
They took themselves
a little too seriously
390
00:16:38,498 --> 00:16:40,533
and they were trying to be
a little more like, "2001."
391
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Then they brought in
Robert Wise
392
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because he was known
as a big-time movie director.
393
00:16:46,139 --> 00:16:47,774
- There never
really been a movie
394
00:16:47,807 --> 00:16:49,576
years after a show
was canceled.
395
00:16:49,609 --> 00:16:52,245
["Star Trek:
The Motion Picture" theme]
396
00:16:52,279 --> 00:16:53,746
"Star Trek" would be
the beginning
397
00:16:53,780 --> 00:16:56,583
of that phenomena,
which--now, you know,
398
00:16:56,616 --> 00:16:58,118
well, unceasing phenomena.
399
00:16:58,151 --> 00:17:01,321
- When we came back to do
the first really big one
400
00:17:01,354 --> 00:17:05,625
that we did
after being away so long,
401
00:17:05,658 --> 00:17:08,795
it was amazing.
402
00:17:08,828 --> 00:17:10,463
narrator:
"Star Trek: The Motion Picture"
403
00:17:10,497 --> 00:17:13,733
hits theaters
in December of 1979.
404
00:17:13,766 --> 00:17:16,369
But the cast
has its doubts.
405
00:17:16,403 --> 00:17:19,272
- So Robert Wise
was a very good filmmaker.
406
00:17:19,306 --> 00:17:22,309
He was a multiple Academy
Award-winning director,
407
00:17:22,342 --> 00:17:24,411
but he did not know
"Star Trek."
408
00:17:24,444 --> 00:17:27,714
- We sat down to watch
that first movie
409
00:17:27,747 --> 00:17:29,582
and the beginning was great.
410
00:17:29,616 --> 00:17:32,552
Dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat-dat.
Bum-bum-bum-bum.
411
00:17:32,585 --> 00:17:35,522
And then it suddenly became
a talking heads movie.
412
00:17:35,555 --> 00:17:37,424
Where was the friction?
Where was the conflict?
413
00:17:37,457 --> 00:17:38,991
Where was the passion?
414
00:17:39,025 --> 00:17:40,460
- It had very little to do
with "Star Trek."
415
00:17:40,493 --> 00:17:42,095
You had the spaceship,
the Enterprise.
416
00:17:42,129 --> 00:17:44,030
You had the crew.
417
00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:45,732
But the story
had very little to do
418
00:17:45,765 --> 00:17:47,634
with anything "Star Trek-y."
419
00:17:47,667 --> 00:17:50,637
The characters were not
in shape, in place,
420
00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:52,205
playing off of each other
and with each other
421
00:17:52,239 --> 00:17:54,141
the way we did best.
422
00:17:54,174 --> 00:17:56,143
- Why are they wearing
pajamas?
423
00:17:56,176 --> 00:18:01,181
Why, you know, does it look
like they're in a Holiday Inn?
424
00:18:01,214 --> 00:18:03,383
So a lot of what
"The Wrath of Khan"
425
00:18:03,416 --> 00:18:06,319
proved to be about
aesthetically
426
00:18:06,353 --> 00:18:09,522
and maybe even
intellectually as well
427
00:18:09,556 --> 00:18:12,392
was a reaction to what I saw.
428
00:18:12,425 --> 00:18:15,328
- And for a movie that was
so poorly received,
429
00:18:15,362 --> 00:18:16,929
we had done extremely well.
430
00:18:16,963 --> 00:18:20,099
To my great surprise,
they said, "Star Trek II."
431
00:18:20,133 --> 00:18:23,270
narrator: "The Wrath of Khan"
becomes an instant classic.
432
00:18:23,303 --> 00:18:26,273
It's villain is a genetically
engineered superhuman,
433
00:18:26,306 --> 00:18:28,241
who first appeared in
the original series
434
00:18:28,275 --> 00:18:31,278
bent on revenge
against Captain Kirk.
435
00:18:31,311 --> 00:18:32,912
- "Wrath of Khan"
is a classic.
436
00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,583
I mean, "Wrath of Khan"
just works on every level.
437
00:18:36,616 --> 00:18:39,686
You know, it just does.
It's pop entertainment.
438
00:18:39,719 --> 00:18:44,491
It's a fan's dream.
It's fun. It's funny.
439
00:18:44,524 --> 00:18:46,359
The visual effects
are state of the art
440
00:18:46,393 --> 00:18:48,228
and really hold up
even to this day.
441
00:18:48,261 --> 00:18:49,996
Those space battles
are fantastic.
442
00:18:50,029 --> 00:18:53,666
- Montalban was
a charismatic actor.
443
00:18:53,700 --> 00:18:56,169
He really gave us
this wonderful performance.
444
00:18:56,203 --> 00:18:58,438
It was theatrical,
imaginative, creative
445
00:18:58,471 --> 00:19:01,374
performance as Khan
in "Star Trek II."
446
00:19:01,408 --> 00:19:04,043
And he looked great.
447
00:19:04,076 --> 00:19:06,746
And that was his chest
that people thought
448
00:19:06,779 --> 00:19:09,015
had been built up
with makeup or something.
449
00:19:09,048 --> 00:19:10,783
That was him, you know?
450
00:19:10,817 --> 00:19:14,120
It was really
Ricardo Montalban.
451
00:19:14,153 --> 00:19:16,989
- That's his chest.
It's his chest.
452
00:19:17,023 --> 00:19:20,460
Gives you an idea
of "Star Trek-ian" scholarship
453
00:19:20,493 --> 00:19:25,097
that that's the most, you know,
frequently asked question.
454
00:19:25,131 --> 00:19:26,333
narrator:
Behind the scenes,
455
00:19:26,366 --> 00:19:28,635
the cast didn't always
get along.
456
00:19:28,668 --> 00:19:32,038
- I had immediately had a good
rapport with with Nick Myers,
457
00:19:32,071 --> 00:19:34,274
but as we went through
several rehearsals
458
00:19:34,307 --> 00:19:35,975
working with the camera,
459
00:19:36,008 --> 00:19:38,245
Shatner would come over to me
460
00:19:38,278 --> 00:19:40,012
and start trying
to redirect me.
461
00:19:40,046 --> 00:19:43,149
Is the word given, Admiral?
- The word is given.
462
00:19:43,182 --> 00:19:45,585
- So I finally said,
"Can I stop for a second?"
463
00:19:45,618 --> 00:19:47,354
Nick said to me,
"What's the matter, Ike?"
464
00:19:47,387 --> 00:19:49,155
I said,
"Well, I'm getting direction
465
00:19:49,188 --> 00:19:50,657
"from other people on the set,
466
00:19:50,690 --> 00:19:52,292
"and it's making me
very uncomfortable.
467
00:19:52,325 --> 00:19:54,594
"I just want to make sure
I'm doing my job correctly,
468
00:19:54,627 --> 00:19:56,263
So I'm listening to you."
469
00:19:56,296 --> 00:19:57,864
And he said,
"That's right.
470
00:19:57,897 --> 00:20:00,032
You're listening to me.
We good?"
471
00:20:00,066 --> 00:20:02,402
I said, "We're good.
Thank you very much."
472
00:20:02,435 --> 00:20:05,204
And I just stood back.
473
00:20:05,238 --> 00:20:08,140
No one else ever said anything
to me again after that.
474
00:20:09,642 --> 00:20:12,712
narrator: Khan uses mind
control to achieve his ends,
475
00:20:12,745 --> 00:20:15,248
delivered in a gruesome way.
476
00:20:15,282 --> 00:20:20,152
- They're young.
Enter through the ears.
477
00:20:20,186 --> 00:20:23,790
And wrap themselves
around the cerebral cortex.
478
00:20:23,823 --> 00:20:25,224
- Yeah, well, that was fun.
479
00:20:25,258 --> 00:20:27,427
You know,
being on the other end of that.
480
00:20:27,460 --> 00:20:30,096
What it was,
it was a stunt bug.
481
00:20:30,129 --> 00:20:31,831
No, it wasn't a stunt bug.
482
00:20:31,864 --> 00:20:35,001
It was--it was a little thing
that had
483
00:20:35,034 --> 00:20:37,236
a little rubbery plastic
thing,
484
00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:41,708
and they had a fine filament
thread attached to it.
485
00:20:41,741 --> 00:20:43,676
It was very hard to see.
486
00:20:43,710 --> 00:20:45,678
When it was going up
my face,
487
00:20:45,712 --> 00:20:48,281
there was actually a guy
standing above me,
488
00:20:48,315 --> 00:20:50,950
and they had drilled a hole
in my helmet,
489
00:20:50,983 --> 00:20:54,621
and he was pulling it up
my face on that filament.
490
00:20:54,654 --> 00:20:58,425
And when they got
to my ear,
491
00:20:58,458 --> 00:21:01,994
and them I made
all those screams,
492
00:21:02,028 --> 00:21:04,797
really unbecoming an officer,
493
00:21:04,831 --> 00:21:07,199
but they--that's what
they wanted.
494
00:21:07,233 --> 00:21:10,236
[both screaming]
495
00:21:14,173 --> 00:21:15,975
narrator: But there is one
scene that has become
496
00:21:16,008 --> 00:21:18,911
the defining moment
in "The Wrath of Khan."
497
00:21:18,945 --> 00:21:22,415
- I read that script
and I saw the conflict,
498
00:21:22,449 --> 00:21:24,083
and I saw the passion
in it,
499
00:21:24,116 --> 00:21:28,187
and when I saw the scene where
Spock tries to save the ship
500
00:21:28,220 --> 00:21:29,722
and dies in the process,
I said,
501
00:21:29,756 --> 00:21:32,291
"This is a good,
good film."
502
00:21:32,325 --> 00:21:33,726
- I really believed
that this was going to be
503
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,328
the final "Star Trek" movie.
504
00:21:35,362 --> 00:21:38,898
So I thought if "Star Trek"
is coming to an end,
505
00:21:38,931 --> 00:21:41,734
maybe it's fitting
that Spock should die
506
00:21:41,768 --> 00:21:43,370
saving the ship
and the crew,
507
00:21:43,403 --> 00:21:45,438
and be a hero and go out
in a blaze of glory.
508
00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:48,608
During the making of the movie,
I began to be concerned
509
00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:50,176
that maybe I'd made
a mistake.
510
00:21:50,209 --> 00:21:54,246
And on the day we went to shoot
Spock's death scene,
511
00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,282
Harve came to me on the set.
512
00:21:56,315 --> 00:21:57,617
He came to me on the set
and he said,
513
00:21:57,650 --> 00:22:01,087
"What can you give us
that might be a thread
514
00:22:01,120 --> 00:22:04,323
for the future for Spock
or 'Star Trek'?"
515
00:22:04,357 --> 00:22:05,858
And it took me a moment.
I said,
516
00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:07,994
"I can do a mind-meld
on DeForest Kelley
517
00:22:08,027 --> 00:22:09,562
"who's laying there
unconscious,
518
00:22:09,596 --> 00:22:13,199
and I can say something
ambiguous like, 'Remember.'"
519
00:22:13,232 --> 00:22:14,967
And that's how that moment
came about.
520
00:22:15,001 --> 00:22:17,136
Remember.
521
00:22:17,169 --> 00:22:19,439
- And then you have
"Star Trek's" finest hour
522
00:22:19,472 --> 00:22:21,207
between Kirk and Spock.
523
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:24,777
That death scene
through the radiation chamber--
524
00:22:24,811 --> 00:22:26,345
cried like a baby.
525
00:22:26,379 --> 00:22:29,348
- I was always very touched
by what happened
526
00:22:29,382 --> 00:22:31,283
in that--in that sequence.
Ahem.
527
00:22:31,317 --> 00:22:34,854
I thought it was beautifully
written, the death scene.
528
00:22:34,887 --> 00:22:36,723
And it really worked
in the film.
529
00:22:36,756 --> 00:22:39,258
I have people still today
who write me and say,
530
00:22:39,291 --> 00:22:40,693
"Every time
I still see that picture
531
00:22:40,727 --> 00:22:42,929
"for the fifth, tenth time,
I still cry when Spock--
532
00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:45,465
at that death scene,"
you know?
533
00:22:45,498 --> 00:22:47,366
[raspy]
I have been...
534
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,169
and always shall be...
535
00:22:50,202 --> 00:22:52,204
your friend.
536
00:22:57,510 --> 00:23:00,713
Live long...
537
00:23:00,747 --> 00:23:02,749
and prosper.
538
00:23:10,923 --> 00:23:13,693
narrator: Two short years
after the success of "Khan,"
539
00:23:13,726 --> 00:23:16,062
"Trek" returns
to the big screen,
540
00:23:16,095 --> 00:23:19,098
and the franchise
is truly reborn.
541
00:23:19,131 --> 00:23:22,234
- "Star Trek III" was the first
movie that Nimoy directed,
542
00:23:22,268 --> 00:23:25,337
and it was also his way
to come back to "Star Trek"
543
00:23:25,371 --> 00:23:26,773
to bring Spock back.
544
00:23:26,806 --> 00:23:30,877
- Nicholas Meyer, a very
talented guy, was directing.
545
00:23:30,910 --> 00:23:33,680
I thought,
"I-I can do what he does.
546
00:23:33,713 --> 00:23:35,548
I know what he's doing
and I can do that."
547
00:23:35,582 --> 00:23:37,116
So I went in
the next morning,
548
00:23:37,149 --> 00:23:39,018
and I put it to them
very simply.
549
00:23:39,051 --> 00:23:40,987
I said, "Michael,
you have two problems.
550
00:23:41,020 --> 00:23:43,556
"You want me to play Spock
in 'Star Trek III,'
551
00:23:43,590 --> 00:23:44,957
"and you need a director.
552
00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:47,560
I solved both of your problems
with one stroke."
553
00:23:47,594 --> 00:23:48,761
And that's the way it went,
554
00:23:48,795 --> 00:23:50,930
and he said,
"Okay, let's make a deal."
555
00:23:50,963 --> 00:23:53,065
And we immediately made a deal
and went to work.
556
00:23:53,099 --> 00:23:57,069
- You Klingon bastard.
557
00:23:57,103 --> 00:24:00,773
- There are two more prisoners,
Admiral.
558
00:24:00,807 --> 00:24:02,509
Do you want them killed too?
559
00:24:02,542 --> 00:24:06,946
- It's just such a delicious
badass son of a bitch, you know?
560
00:24:06,979 --> 00:24:11,050
He's just--he's just a bad guy
with no remorse.
561
00:24:11,083 --> 00:24:13,319
[both grunting]
562
00:24:13,352 --> 00:24:15,688
I killed Kirk's son
563
00:24:15,722 --> 00:24:18,057
and I blew up
the original Enterprise.
564
00:24:18,090 --> 00:24:20,927
Just freaking wiped it out.
565
00:24:22,929 --> 00:24:26,132
And I could do it again.
[chuckles]
566
00:24:30,770 --> 00:24:35,107
- I was asked to do "III,"
I didn't know how to do it.
567
00:24:35,141 --> 00:24:38,845
So I said
I wasn't interested in doing it.
568
00:24:38,878 --> 00:24:41,648
I was not part of "IV"
either.
569
00:24:41,681 --> 00:24:43,616
They had had a script written
570
00:24:43,650 --> 00:24:46,586
tailor-made to star
Eddie Murphy,
571
00:24:46,619 --> 00:24:49,989
who was Paramount's
other big star at the time.
572
00:24:50,022 --> 00:24:51,758
And Paramount didn't like
the idea
573
00:24:51,791 --> 00:24:56,195
of putting all their golden eggs
in one basket,
574
00:24:56,228 --> 00:24:59,331
Eddie Murphy
and the Star Trek people.
575
00:24:59,365 --> 00:25:01,367
So I went to see Harve
and Leonard,
576
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,203
and they told me the story
about the whales.
577
00:25:04,236 --> 00:25:07,273
And Harve said, "I'll write
the outer space parts
578
00:25:07,306 --> 00:25:10,543
if you do the on Earth parts,
you know, the bookend.
579
00:25:10,577 --> 00:25:13,479
And I said, "Okay."
580
00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:16,015
- "Star Trek V" is hurt
by it's budget
581
00:25:16,048 --> 00:25:18,484
more than anything else.
It's not a badly directed film.
582
00:25:18,517 --> 00:25:21,554
In fact, Bill did a nice job
directing for the most pt,
583
00:25:21,588 --> 00:25:26,192
but they just didn't have enough
money to recognize the vision,
584
00:25:26,225 --> 00:25:27,694
so it looks very cheap,
and as a result,
585
00:25:27,727 --> 00:25:29,095
it feels like a bad movie.
586
00:25:29,128 --> 00:25:30,597
- We watched the movie,
we were like,
587
00:25:30,630 --> 00:25:31,964
"Yeah, that was great."
588
00:25:31,998 --> 00:25:33,432
And I remember my brother,
589
00:25:33,465 --> 00:25:34,901
he was the one who had not
been drinking.
590
00:25:34,934 --> 00:25:36,569
He was looking at, like,
591
00:25:36,603 --> 00:25:38,404
"I don't think
it really was great."
592
00:25:38,437 --> 00:25:40,439
We were like, "No, it was great.
Let's watch it again."
593
00:25:40,472 --> 00:25:42,041
And we did,
so we watched it again.
594
00:25:42,074 --> 00:25:44,844
That's probably the last time
I saw "Star Trek V."
595
00:25:44,877 --> 00:25:49,181
- Then "Star Trek V" came out
and didn't perform well.
596
00:25:49,215 --> 00:25:52,985
And then Leonard came,
and he had this genesis,
597
00:25:53,019 --> 00:25:55,622
you should pardon the pun,
of an idea for "VI,"
598
00:25:55,655 --> 00:25:59,291
which was all about the wall
coming down in outer space.
599
00:25:59,325 --> 00:26:01,393
It was about the Klingons
have been their substitute
600
00:26:01,427 --> 00:26:03,429
for the Russians.
I went, "They were?"
601
00:26:03,462 --> 00:26:05,431
And we wrote it.
602
00:26:05,464 --> 00:26:08,500
- His idea was that, you know,
time's change.
603
00:26:08,534 --> 00:26:11,337
You know, you can't be,
you know, mad at a group
604
00:26:11,370 --> 00:26:14,674
for 100 years and you don't know
anything about them.
605
00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:16,375
- Michael Dorn was my idea.
606
00:26:16,408 --> 00:26:19,211
He could play
his own grandfather.
607
00:26:19,245 --> 00:26:22,949
I thought
that would be funny.
608
00:26:26,052 --> 00:26:30,056
- So "Star Trek IV" does
gangbusters at the box office.
609
00:26:30,089 --> 00:26:32,191
They're like, "Hang on,
this is a hot property."
610
00:26:32,224 --> 00:26:34,393
Gene's like,
"Guess what, fellas?
611
00:26:34,426 --> 00:26:35,962
I want to do I on TV again."
612
00:26:35,995 --> 00:26:38,297
And then Paramount's like...
- "Yes, please."
613
00:26:38,330 --> 00:26:39,565
- "I might as well."
- Yeah.
614
00:26:39,598 --> 00:26:40,800
- "Well, it's sitting here
doing nothing."
615
00:26:40,833 --> 00:26:42,001
- "How soon will you start?"
- So then we have
616
00:26:42,034 --> 00:26:43,636
"Star Trek:
The Next Generation" comes out.
617
00:26:48,340 --> 00:26:49,809
narrator: In 1987,
618
00:26:49,842 --> 00:26:52,712
21 years after the original
series hits the air,
619
00:26:52,745 --> 00:26:55,347
"Star Trek" returns to
television with the premiere
620
00:26:55,381 --> 00:26:57,583
of "The Next Generation."
621
00:26:57,616 --> 00:27:00,252
- Gene Roddenberry called me
and he was talking about
622
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:01,487
a new version of "Star Trek"
623
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,290
bouncing off the movies,
of course.
624
00:27:04,323 --> 00:27:08,594
He came up with the basics
for the older captain,
625
00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:11,931
for the characters that we see
in "Star Trek: Next Gen."
626
00:27:11,964 --> 00:27:14,867
narrator: Diehard fans
are skeptical of the reboot.
627
00:27:14,901 --> 00:27:17,804
- We got a bald, English
captain with a French name
628
00:27:17,837 --> 00:27:20,873
and you got a Klingon
on the bridge?
629
00:27:20,907 --> 00:27:23,876
Really? You got a blind guy
driving the ship?
630
00:27:23,910 --> 00:27:25,978
- Gene was there during
the first couple of years
631
00:27:26,012 --> 00:27:30,717
and all the spinoffs carried on
the tradition of "Star Trek."
632
00:27:30,750 --> 00:27:33,853
- When that cast was first
assembled and the show
633
00:27:33,886 --> 00:27:35,287
first went into production,
"The Next Generation,"
634
00:27:35,321 --> 00:27:36,689
I invited them here
to this house,
635
00:27:36,723 --> 00:27:38,390
the whole bunch of them,
all of them.
636
00:27:38,424 --> 00:27:40,292
"Come to my house.
Let's get to know each other.
637
00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:43,495
And good luck, and bon voyage.
I think--I hope it works."
638
00:27:43,529 --> 00:27:46,565
- When I first auditioned
for "Next Gen,"
639
00:27:46,598 --> 00:27:48,400
I was one of the few people
in the world
640
00:27:48,434 --> 00:27:51,871
who was not quite aware
of the phenomenon
641
00:27:51,904 --> 00:27:54,573
that we were about
to get involved with.
642
00:27:54,606 --> 00:27:57,609
- When I heard that they were
doing a next generation,
643
00:27:57,643 --> 00:28:00,479
I went, "Oh, afraid
I gotta do this," you know?
644
00:28:00,512 --> 00:28:02,715
- I got a call from my agent
who said, "You know what?
645
00:28:02,749 --> 00:28:04,216
They're casting 'Star Trek.'
Oh, my God."
646
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:05,684
And she was a huge
"Star Trek" fan.
647
00:28:05,718 --> 00:28:09,355
I had no clue
it was going to be a big show.
648
00:28:09,388 --> 00:28:12,759
- So LeVar Burton
and I go to eat.
649
00:28:12,792 --> 00:28:14,293
I say,
"What are you doing?"
650
00:28:14,326 --> 00:28:19,031
He said, "Oh, you'll love this.
I'm doing 'Star Trek.'"
651
00:28:19,065 --> 00:28:21,834
I said, "Well,
I want to be on that."
652
00:28:21,868 --> 00:28:23,502
And he was like, "What?"
I was like, "No, no.
653
00:28:23,535 --> 00:28:25,637
You gotta tell them
I want to be on the show."
654
00:28:25,671 --> 00:28:29,141
And I made an appointment
to go see Gene.
655
00:28:29,175 --> 00:28:32,745
And Gene says,
"You want to be on 'Star Trek'?"
656
00:28:32,779 --> 00:28:36,115
I said, "Yes.
Yes."
657
00:28:36,148 --> 00:28:40,386
- And he asked me would I please
write the pilot script,
658
00:28:40,419 --> 00:28:43,522
"Encounter At Farpoint."
And I said, "Fine," did that.
659
00:28:43,555 --> 00:28:46,058
The question had been whether
Gene Roddenberry would do,
660
00:28:46,092 --> 00:28:49,028
you know, like a retrospective
back to the original "Star Trek"
661
00:28:49,061 --> 00:28:53,732
to lead into this or would he
add to my pilot script.
662
00:28:53,766 --> 00:28:55,835
He added all the stuff
that had to do with Q.
663
00:28:55,868 --> 00:28:59,071
- Three days into shooting,
uh, you know,
664
00:28:59,105 --> 00:29:02,008
somebody came up behind me
and put his hand on my shoulder
665
00:29:02,041 --> 00:29:06,045
and said, "You have no idea what
you've gotten yourself into."
666
00:29:06,078 --> 00:29:08,714
And it was--
it was Roddenberry.
667
00:29:08,747 --> 00:29:11,884
And I didn't have any idea.
I mean, you know.
668
00:29:11,918 --> 00:29:13,619
- Riker's relationship
with Picard,
669
00:29:13,652 --> 00:29:16,588
which was filled
with respect.
670
00:29:16,622 --> 00:29:18,791
With Data,
the curiosity that Data had
671
00:29:18,825 --> 00:29:20,626
about being a human being.
672
00:29:20,659 --> 00:29:25,597
And I worked
with Worf and Geordi,
673
00:29:25,631 --> 00:29:27,066
the three of us were sort of,
you know,
674
00:29:27,099 --> 00:29:29,836
we made the--we kept the [bleep]
together on the ship.
675
00:29:29,869 --> 00:29:34,340
And it was--it all got
more natural.
676
00:29:34,373 --> 00:29:35,908
And as it got more natural,
677
00:29:35,942 --> 00:29:38,377
I think it got more appealing
to the audience.
678
00:29:38,410 --> 00:29:39,879
- I decided to write
a spec script,
679
00:29:39,912 --> 00:29:42,514
so I wrote a script
called "The Bonding."
680
00:29:42,548 --> 00:29:45,584
Michael Piller came aboard
to be the new head writer,
681
00:29:45,617 --> 00:29:47,386
and he found my script.
682
00:29:47,419 --> 00:29:49,388
And I get this call one day
683
00:29:49,421 --> 00:29:51,924
that he wants to buy it
and produce it,
684
00:29:51,958 --> 00:29:53,792
which literally
changed my life.
685
00:29:53,826 --> 00:29:57,396
- We used to do 26 episodes
a year, and it was great.
686
00:29:57,429 --> 00:29:58,831
So we'd work for ten months,
687
00:29:58,865 --> 00:30:01,000
and then the first Monday
after the 4th of July,
688
00:30:01,033 --> 00:30:02,301
we'd come back to work.
689
00:30:02,334 --> 00:30:06,505
And that lasted for seven years
and could have lasted,
690
00:30:06,538 --> 00:30:08,841
in all fairness,
for ten years probably.
691
00:30:08,875 --> 00:30:12,644
- The humans of the 24th century
on "Next Generation"
692
00:30:12,678 --> 00:30:15,481
didn't have the kinds
of problems and squabbles
693
00:30:15,514 --> 00:30:19,618
and petty jealousies
that we have today.
694
00:30:19,651 --> 00:30:21,820
- Chief O'Brien talks to me.
695
00:30:21,854 --> 00:30:24,490
Keiko talks to you.
696
00:30:24,523 --> 00:30:26,058
Why do they not talk
to each other?
697
00:30:26,092 --> 00:30:29,461
- [chuckles]
That's a good question, Data.
698
00:30:29,495 --> 00:30:31,931
I wish I had a good answer
for you.
699
00:30:31,964 --> 00:30:33,933
Perhaps when they're ready,
they will.
700
00:30:33,966 --> 00:30:38,871
- Hmm. Many aspects of this
situation are puzzling to me.
701
00:30:38,905 --> 00:30:43,675
- Roddenberry somehow magically
made us--made me
702
00:30:43,709 --> 00:30:48,580
believe in his vision
of the 24th century, right?
703
00:30:48,614 --> 00:30:51,850
He said to me,
"In the 24th century,
704
00:30:51,884 --> 00:30:55,821
there will be no hunger,
and there will be no greed.
705
00:30:55,854 --> 00:30:59,926
And all of the children
will know how to read.
706
00:30:59,959 --> 00:31:01,160
Gene Roddenberry.
707
00:31:01,193 --> 00:31:04,030
- He was given the right
to do "Star Trek"
708
00:31:04,063 --> 00:31:05,464
the way he wanted to do it.
709
00:31:05,497 --> 00:31:08,234
Unfortunately his health
was failing by the time
710
00:31:08,267 --> 00:31:11,070
they even got "Star Trek:
The Next Generation" on.
711
00:31:11,103 --> 00:31:13,139
So he didn't really get
the chance to do
712
00:31:13,172 --> 00:31:15,307
all of the things
he wanted to do.
713
00:31:15,341 --> 00:31:18,344
narrator: When Gene Roddenberry
dies in 1991,
714
00:31:18,377 --> 00:31:21,680
"The Next Generation"
is more popular than ever.
715
00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:25,517
Carrying on his legacy,
week after week,
716
00:31:25,551 --> 00:31:27,954
for the next three years.
717
00:31:27,987 --> 00:31:30,189
- There were those of us,
myself included,
718
00:31:30,222 --> 00:31:32,391
who thought it could go on
for ten years.
719
00:31:32,424 --> 00:31:34,060
That we weren't done yet.
720
00:31:34,093 --> 00:31:37,796
Knowing that there was another
series waiting in the wings
721
00:31:37,829 --> 00:31:40,166
where we could continue
to tell stories
722
00:31:40,199 --> 00:31:42,801
that we hadn't told yet
made that okay.
723
00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:46,272
And it seemed smart
to take "Next Gen" off
724
00:31:46,305 --> 00:31:47,940
at the peak
of its popularity.
725
00:31:47,974 --> 00:31:49,908
'Cause it was
a very popular show.
726
00:31:49,942 --> 00:31:52,378
There is a part of me
that wished,
727
00:31:52,411 --> 00:31:55,581
that wishes "Next Gen"
had continued.
728
00:32:00,719 --> 00:32:04,490
- I was asked to direct the
first "Next Generation" movie.
729
00:32:04,523 --> 00:32:05,958
I just--
I wasn't attracted to it.
730
00:32:05,992 --> 00:32:07,826
I read it,
731
00:32:07,859 --> 00:32:09,495
and it didn't feel
like something
732
00:32:09,528 --> 00:32:11,730
that I was gonna have
a good time doing.
733
00:32:11,763 --> 00:32:14,700
- Ron Moore and I
were asked to write
734
00:32:14,733 --> 00:32:17,069
the first
"Next Generation" movie.
735
00:32:17,103 --> 00:32:19,305
We were very excited.
736
00:32:19,338 --> 00:32:21,640
It was the first movie
either of us had written.
737
00:32:21,673 --> 00:32:24,776
We loved these characters.
We knew these characters.
738
00:32:24,810 --> 00:32:27,946
And we set about conceiving
the first "Next Gen" movie.
739
00:32:27,980 --> 00:32:29,715
Kind of hand-off
from the original series,
740
00:32:29,748 --> 00:32:30,916
Kirk to Picard.
741
00:32:30,949 --> 00:32:32,718
- There was sort of a list
of things
742
00:32:32,751 --> 00:32:34,520
that the movie had to have,
743
00:32:34,553 --> 00:32:35,721
so when Bran and I
stepped in,
744
00:32:35,754 --> 00:32:37,723
here's the list of things
it has to be.
745
00:32:37,756 --> 00:32:39,925
"It's gonna be the next first
"Next Gen" movie.
746
00:32:39,958 --> 00:32:41,593
"It can have
the original cast in it.
747
00:32:41,627 --> 00:32:43,729
"We want a transition film,
but the original cast
748
00:32:43,762 --> 00:32:45,197
"can only be in
the first ten minutes
749
00:32:45,231 --> 00:32:47,199
"or 15 minutes
of the movie tops.
750
00:32:47,233 --> 00:32:48,600
"It has to be a Picard story.
751
00:32:48,634 --> 00:32:50,736
"There has to be
a Data humorous runner in it.
752
00:32:50,769 --> 00:32:53,972
"We want to have a big villain,
sort of like Khan.
753
00:32:54,006 --> 00:32:56,075
"We also want to have
the Klingons in it.
754
00:32:56,108 --> 00:32:58,777
And it should probably have
some time travel involved."
755
00:32:58,810 --> 00:33:01,580
And you're just going,
"Okay.
756
00:33:01,613 --> 00:33:04,250
- By the time "Generations,"
the first movie, is coming out,
757
00:33:04,283 --> 00:33:06,918
you have Kirk and Picard on the
cover of "Time" magazine.
758
00:33:06,952 --> 00:33:09,821
That's the apex,
it's the zenith of the show.
759
00:33:09,855 --> 00:33:11,757
- "Generations" was still
in the theaters
760
00:33:11,790 --> 00:33:13,959
when the said,
"Hey, let's do another one.
761
00:33:13,992 --> 00:33:14,993
And we want you guys
to do the second one."
762
00:33:15,027 --> 00:33:16,395
And we said, "Okay."
763
00:33:16,428 --> 00:33:19,531
- "First Contact" was the film
that they should have made
764
00:33:19,565 --> 00:33:21,367
every time after that.
765
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,169
- Then the second movie,
"First Contact,"
766
00:33:23,202 --> 00:33:25,137
is, you know,
a roller coaster ride
767
00:33:25,171 --> 00:33:28,174
and wonderful and really
sort of redeems that franchise.
768
00:33:28,207 --> 00:33:31,410
- That movie was a huge success.
It made a lot of money.
769
00:33:31,443 --> 00:33:32,811
And everybody liked it.
770
00:33:32,844 --> 00:33:35,081
And Alfre Woodard
was great in it.
771
00:33:35,114 --> 00:33:36,448
And Cromwell
was great in it.
772
00:33:36,482 --> 00:33:41,820
- I'm not a drinker,
so I got a fifth of Jamesons.
773
00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:46,058
And I took one
before when we rehearsed.
774
00:33:46,092 --> 00:33:49,961
And then between every shot,
I would go back up to my tr--
775
00:33:49,995 --> 00:33:51,663
[laughing]
776
00:33:51,697 --> 00:33:56,468
So by the time I did the thing
we're at the bar,
777
00:33:56,502 --> 00:34:02,074
when I take the drink...
[retching]
778
00:34:02,108 --> 00:34:04,976
Ahh!
779
00:34:05,010 --> 00:34:07,479
- [gagging]
- Oh!
780
00:34:07,513 --> 00:34:09,181
- [coughing]
781
00:34:09,215 --> 00:34:11,083
narrator:
"Star Trek: First Contact"
782
00:34:11,117 --> 00:34:14,553
debuts in 1996
with Commander Riker himself,
783
00:34:14,586 --> 00:34:17,389
Jonathan Frakes
in the director's chair.
784
00:34:17,423 --> 00:34:18,824
- It was great to work
with Jonathan, you know?
785
00:34:18,857 --> 00:34:20,859
We'd worked with him before
as a director on the show,
786
00:34:20,892 --> 00:34:23,629
so we knew his working methods,
he knew us, you know.
787
00:34:23,662 --> 00:34:25,397
There was a great shorthand,
obviously,
788
00:34:25,431 --> 00:34:27,366
between him and the entire cast
and the crew.
789
00:34:27,399 --> 00:34:31,002
- This was our first movie
that was just "Next Gen."
790
00:34:31,036 --> 00:34:34,072
So that--that was
a life-changer, you know.
791
00:34:34,106 --> 00:34:36,041
- I think "Star Trek's"
a TV show.
792
00:34:36,074 --> 00:34:39,311
The movies are fun,
but, you know,
793
00:34:39,345 --> 00:34:40,846
it's--it's a TV show.
794
00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:44,216
It needs to tell the stories
each week.
795
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:47,286
- "First Contact" is fanta--
it's like--
796
00:34:47,319 --> 00:34:49,788
it's the best of
the "Next Generation" movies.
797
00:34:49,821 --> 00:34:51,557
I'm sorry, everyone,
that's how I feel.
798
00:34:51,590 --> 00:34:53,725
- Probably.
- I see some grunting happening
799
00:34:53,759 --> 00:34:55,661
over on the corners here.
800
00:34:55,694 --> 00:34:57,996
Bobak, you grunted
particularly hard.
801
00:34:58,029 --> 00:34:59,831
- I'm just a big
"Insurrection" fan because--
802
00:34:59,865 --> 00:35:01,200
- What? What?
803
00:35:01,233 --> 00:35:02,768
- It's the most like
a "TNG" episode.
804
00:35:02,801 --> 00:35:05,404
The movies really, like,
diverge from my thought
805
00:35:05,437 --> 00:35:06,672
what made the show great.
806
00:35:06,705 --> 00:35:10,142
And I like that it was
a little bit more of that
807
00:35:10,176 --> 00:35:13,078
"TNG"-style episode than I felt
the rest of the movies were.
808
00:35:13,111 --> 00:35:14,980
- So we go
from "Insurrection."
809
00:35:15,013 --> 00:35:17,749
"Voyager's" still running
at this point.
810
00:35:17,783 --> 00:35:21,287
And then we end up with,
I hate to say it,
811
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,121
"Star Trek: Nemesis,"
so Janeway--
812
00:35:23,155 --> 00:35:24,623
- They asked me to be in that.
Did you know that?
813
00:35:24,656 --> 00:35:26,225
- Really? What were you
gonna do in that?
814
00:35:26,258 --> 00:35:27,693
Were you gonna be
on the Enterprise?
815
00:35:27,726 --> 00:35:28,860
- Evidently.
- Why would you say no?
816
00:35:28,894 --> 00:35:30,196
What is wrong with you?
817
00:35:30,229 --> 00:35:31,663
- 'Cause I had just gotten off
of "Voyager."
818
00:35:31,697 --> 00:35:33,465
- Oh, my God, Jeri.
- My biggest fear is in signing
819
00:35:33,499 --> 00:35:36,402
on to "Star Trek" to begin with,
not having been a fan,
820
00:35:36,435 --> 00:35:37,903
and not really knowing much
about it other than that
821
00:35:37,936 --> 00:35:39,605
the actors get pigeonholed.
- Yeah.
822
00:35:39,638 --> 00:35:40,872
- And it was sort of known
for that.
823
00:35:40,906 --> 00:35:43,442
- Yeah.
- That was one of my big fears
824
00:35:43,475 --> 00:35:46,712
in accepting the role is ever
breaking out of that character.
825
00:35:46,745 --> 00:35:48,647
I don't know if that's even...
- No, please.
826
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:50,282
- Known by anybody,
but apparently they were
827
00:35:50,316 --> 00:35:51,417
replacing a character.
828
00:35:51,450 --> 00:35:53,452
They were gonna yank
and character out
829
00:35:53,485 --> 00:35:55,321
and stick Seven of Nine
in there.
830
00:35:55,354 --> 00:35:56,755
It's a popular character,
get her in the movie.
831
00:35:56,788 --> 00:35:58,790
And that's what it felt like.
And it didn't feel like
832
00:35:58,824 --> 00:35:59,925
it would be anything
other than that story-wise.
833
00:35:59,958 --> 00:36:05,631
- Yeah.
834
00:36:05,664 --> 00:36:07,933
- "Deep Space Nine"
is the most meaningful to me.
835
00:36:07,966 --> 00:36:10,669
- Mm-hmm.
- Because it gets into
836
00:36:10,702 --> 00:36:11,903
the darker side.
837
00:36:11,937 --> 00:36:13,639
I mean, it's after
Gene Roddenberry's death.
838
00:36:13,672 --> 00:36:16,775
They're kinda free to kind of
get away from this, you know,
839
00:36:16,808 --> 00:36:18,944
everything ends happily.
- Yeah.
840
00:36:18,977 --> 00:36:21,280
- You know, you look at war
in a variety of different ways.
841
00:36:21,313 --> 00:36:23,649
I mean, there's a great episode
on PTSD,
842
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:26,585
where Nog has to deal
with the loss of his leg.
843
00:36:26,618 --> 00:36:27,919
Nobody does that kind of stuff.
- Right.
844
00:36:27,953 --> 00:36:29,355
- On science fiction
in particular.
845
00:36:29,388 --> 00:36:32,691
And so I think that show
in terms of its depth,
846
00:36:32,724 --> 00:36:34,926
in terms of the issues
it would address,
847
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:36,695
I thought made it
the best.
848
00:36:36,728 --> 00:36:38,797
And, you know, arguably there
are some of the best episodes
849
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:41,333
of all 700-plus hours.
850
00:36:46,071 --> 00:36:47,706
- "The Next Generation"
had become such a success
851
00:36:47,739 --> 00:36:49,441
in first-run syndication
for the studio
852
00:36:49,475 --> 00:36:52,043
that they wanted more,
so you had "Deep Space Nine,"
853
00:36:52,077 --> 00:36:55,213
which was about
a space station
854
00:36:55,247 --> 00:36:56,682
and it was a little darker.
855
00:36:56,715 --> 00:36:58,450
- "Next Gen" was
my undergraduate studies
856
00:36:58,484 --> 00:37:00,252
in TV writing and production,
857
00:37:00,286 --> 00:37:01,720
and "Deep Space Nine"
was graduate.
858
00:37:01,753 --> 00:37:05,557
- "DS9" had such
a different feel
859
00:37:05,591 --> 00:37:06,925
while still being
"Star Trek."
860
00:37:06,958 --> 00:37:08,527
It took things even deeper.
861
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,996
- We were attracted to doing
darker stories.
862
00:37:11,029 --> 00:37:12,831
We were attracted
to doing stories
863
00:37:12,864 --> 00:37:14,300
that had much more conflict
in them,
864
00:37:14,333 --> 00:37:16,067
that were more morally
ambiguous,
865
00:37:16,101 --> 00:37:18,870
that were tackling
difficult subject matter
866
00:37:18,904 --> 00:37:20,205
with our characters.
867
00:37:20,238 --> 00:37:23,074
And we all felt
that we were pushing "Trek,"
868
00:37:23,108 --> 00:37:24,876
but none of us felt like
we were breaking it.
869
00:37:24,910 --> 00:37:29,315
- That was the first time
that you see
870
00:37:29,348 --> 00:37:36,322
what television is now,
which is dark and foreboding.
871
00:37:36,355 --> 00:37:39,190
- And I really wanted
to do the show.
872
00:37:39,224 --> 00:37:41,327
Really wanted
to do the show.
873
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:43,028
I-I was like--
874
00:37:43,061 --> 00:37:46,598
I just--not only as an actor
who would get a steady paycheck,
875
00:37:46,632 --> 00:37:49,200
but more importantly,
as a fan of the show
876
00:37:49,234 --> 00:37:52,638
I wanted to be part of the ethos
that was "Star Trek."
877
00:37:52,671 --> 00:37:55,674
- It's really nice to see that
people could stick with the show
878
00:37:55,707 --> 00:37:59,378
when it became darker and more
demanding of its audience.
879
00:37:59,411 --> 00:38:05,183
- But no victory can make
this moment any easier for me.
880
00:38:05,216 --> 00:38:12,257
And I promise I will not rest
until I stand with you again.
881
00:38:12,290 --> 00:38:14,259
- Somebody had
the brilliant idea
882
00:38:14,292 --> 00:38:18,564
of bringing Worf
onto our show.
883
00:38:18,597 --> 00:38:22,000
- Unfortunately, I will be away
from the station at that time.
884
00:38:22,033 --> 00:38:23,835
- What they hoped would happen
did happen.
885
00:38:23,869 --> 00:38:27,072
Thousands,
if not millions, of people
886
00:38:27,105 --> 00:38:30,108
watched because Worf
was on the show.
887
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:33,612
And so our fan base
got resurrected
888
00:38:33,645 --> 00:38:35,046
because of Michael Dorn.
889
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:37,616
- And I had my concerns
about that
890
00:38:37,649 --> 00:38:40,118
'cause I didn't want Worf
to be standing around,
891
00:38:40,151 --> 00:38:42,454
just to be a, you know,
some guy that just--
892
00:38:42,488 --> 00:38:43,722
they throw in there.
893
00:38:43,755 --> 00:38:45,991
I really want him to open up
as a character.
894
00:38:46,024 --> 00:38:49,628
- Worf was, like, really
the only choice from that cast
895
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:51,530
that made any sense
and that would actually add
896
00:38:51,563 --> 00:38:52,898
something to the puzzle.
897
00:38:52,931 --> 00:38:55,701
Here's the war-like character
coming into a situation
898
00:38:55,734 --> 00:38:57,268
that's a war-torn environment.
899
00:38:57,302 --> 00:38:59,738
So that made a certain
amount of sense.
900
00:38:59,771 --> 00:39:03,074
- What is that smell?
901
00:39:03,108 --> 00:39:08,246
Is there a pile
of rotting forshak in here.
902
00:39:08,279 --> 00:39:10,649
I loved my time
on "Next Generation,"
903
00:39:10,682 --> 00:39:14,085
but the work I did
on "Deep Space" was much better.
904
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,855
- Over my tenure
on "Deep Space,"
905
00:39:16,888 --> 00:39:18,189
that was the mantra was,
906
00:39:18,223 --> 00:39:20,459
"How far can we push
this franchise?
907
00:39:20,492 --> 00:39:22,060
"Or what are the places
we can go
908
00:39:22,093 --> 00:39:23,495
"that none of the other shows
can go?
909
00:39:23,529 --> 00:39:25,163
"What can't they do
in 'Star Trek,'
910
00:39:25,196 --> 00:39:26,732
and is there a way
we can do it?"
911
00:39:26,765 --> 00:39:29,167
- Every "Star Trek" show broke
grounds in some way, you know?
912
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,538
"Deep Space Nine,"
Sisko, he was a black captain.
913
00:39:32,571 --> 00:39:35,240
And then you have Janeway
in "Voyager," a woman.
914
00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:37,809
I mean, they were always
thinking ahead.
915
00:39:42,781 --> 00:39:45,417
narrator: When "Voyager"
launches in 1995,
916
00:39:45,451 --> 00:39:47,385
"Star Trek" has been pushing
the envelope
917
00:39:47,419 --> 00:39:49,287
for nearly 30 years.
918
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:52,157
The new series pushes further.
919
00:39:52,190 --> 00:39:54,526
- A lot of women
of a certain age
920
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:57,496
who that show meant a lot to
because of Kate.
921
00:39:57,529 --> 00:39:59,097
You know, they look at it,
you know,
922
00:39:59,130 --> 00:40:00,899
the same way that guys
of my generation
923
00:40:00,932 --> 00:40:02,601
look at Kirk
as a role model,
924
00:40:02,634 --> 00:40:04,836
they look at Kate's Janeway
and say,
925
00:40:04,870 --> 00:40:07,439
"You know, she proved that,
you know,
926
00:40:07,473 --> 00:40:10,876
"I could be thoughtful
and smart and commanding,
927
00:40:10,909 --> 00:40:13,512
and not necessarily use my
sexuality to get what I want."
928
00:40:13,545 --> 00:40:16,948
- Then you leave me
no choice.
929
00:40:16,982 --> 00:40:19,718
You are hereby relieved of duty
until further notice.
930
00:40:19,751 --> 00:40:21,753
- As a writer,
writing Captain Janeway,
931
00:40:21,787 --> 00:40:23,589
I didn't think of her
as a woman.
932
00:40:23,622 --> 00:40:25,056
I thought of her as the captain.
933
00:40:25,090 --> 00:40:28,293
And I think it's great that she
ended up being a role model
934
00:40:28,326 --> 00:40:30,829
to a lot of people,
men or women.
935
00:40:30,862 --> 00:40:33,098
- I was very
happy and proud
936
00:40:33,131 --> 00:40:37,035
of what the producers had done
with this cast in "Voyager."
937
00:40:37,068 --> 00:40:39,337
First of all, starting off
with a female captain
938
00:40:39,370 --> 00:40:40,806
'cause we had not
seen that before.
939
00:40:40,839 --> 00:40:43,909
- My friend, Rene,
got cast in "Deep Space."
940
00:40:43,942 --> 00:40:47,312
And he told me how cool it was,
and I envied him.
941
00:40:47,345 --> 00:40:49,180
I said, "What a great show
to be on," you know.
942
00:40:49,214 --> 00:40:50,882
And then
a couple of years later,
943
00:40:50,916 --> 00:40:52,584
boom,
I was in "Voyager."
944
00:40:52,618 --> 00:40:54,486
And I-I had no idea
945
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,588
what the character was
makeup-wise, you know?
946
00:40:56,622 --> 00:40:59,457
But I flew out
and I-I went into the room,
947
00:40:59,491 --> 00:41:01,660
and there was UPN,
and there was Paramount,
948
00:41:01,693 --> 00:41:05,096
and there were the creators
of "Star Trek."
949
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:07,365
And, um, I read
950
00:41:07,398 --> 00:41:09,535
and I guess I was exactly what
what they were looking for.
951
00:41:09,568 --> 00:41:12,403
- "Star Trek: Voyager" is
probably my first acting job.
952
00:41:12,437 --> 00:41:14,439
And I was so excited,
and I was so nervous.
953
00:41:14,472 --> 00:41:18,476
It was a two-part special
and I was playing a scientist.
954
00:41:18,510 --> 00:41:19,911
- What do you do here?
955
00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:22,814
- We watch the skies.
- For what?
956
00:41:22,848 --> 00:41:25,450
- Signs of
extraterrestrial life.
957
00:41:25,483 --> 00:41:27,185
Nice meeting you.
958
00:41:27,218 --> 00:41:29,688
I remembered
going to my acting coach,
959
00:41:29,721 --> 00:41:32,257
and he read through the script.
960
00:41:32,290 --> 00:41:34,660
I was looking to him
for guidance.
961
00:41:34,693 --> 00:41:37,362
And he just went, uh,
962
00:41:37,395 --> 00:41:40,031
"You know, sometimes when
you're running from lasers,
963
00:41:40,065 --> 00:41:44,302
you just--you just gotta pretend
you're running from lasers."
964
00:41:44,335 --> 00:41:47,873
- Get down!
[laser fire]
965
00:41:47,906 --> 00:41:49,675
- I was like, "Oh.'
Ahem.
966
00:41:49,708 --> 00:41:51,142
It gave me so much freedom.
967
00:41:51,176 --> 00:41:53,779
I was like, "Oh, yeah,
I just--I pretend," you know?
968
00:41:53,812 --> 00:41:58,149
You don't really draw from
your childhood or something.
969
00:41:58,183 --> 00:42:00,586
You just pretend
you're running from lasers.
970
00:42:00,619 --> 00:42:02,688
[laser fire]
971
00:42:02,721 --> 00:42:04,489
What the hell?
972
00:42:04,522 --> 00:42:06,625
- What I wanted to do
was bring the Borg in.
973
00:42:06,658 --> 00:42:08,526
It was my feeling
that the Borg
974
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,129
could always be
"Voyager's" Klingons.
975
00:42:11,162 --> 00:42:12,397
They needed
a recurring villain.
976
00:42:12,430 --> 00:42:14,265
And for better or worse,
977
00:42:14,299 --> 00:42:15,934
that's what
we ended up doing.
978
00:42:15,967 --> 00:42:18,203
And it's one of the things
that defined "Voyager"
979
00:42:18,236 --> 00:42:20,906
was the introduction
of the Seven of Nine character.
980
00:42:20,939 --> 00:42:25,644
You had a very sexy woman
in a very sexy outfit.
981
00:42:25,677 --> 00:42:26,912
You know,
it was supposed to lure in
982
00:42:26,945 --> 00:42:28,313
a certain male demographic.
983
00:42:28,346 --> 00:42:31,316
But, in reality,
she was the Spock character.
984
00:42:31,349 --> 00:42:33,351
She was the Data character.
985
00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:34,552
- Report.
986
00:42:34,586 --> 00:42:36,988
- I've applied
10,053 algorithms
987
00:42:37,022 --> 00:42:40,191
to the energy signatures
produced by chaotic space.
988
00:42:40,225 --> 00:42:43,461
- The Roddenberry influence
was always respected.
989
00:42:43,494 --> 00:42:45,731
We didn't want
to do something
990
00:42:45,764 --> 00:42:49,668
totally, outrageously
anti-Roddenberry.
991
00:42:49,701 --> 00:42:51,803
- It's almost like you have
to keep pinching yourself.
992
00:42:51,837 --> 00:42:54,606
You show up on these sets
and you have to remind yourself,
993
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,342
"I'm in the middle of something
that when we do it right,
994
00:42:57,375 --> 00:42:59,444
is really important,
can really affect people."
995
00:42:59,477 --> 00:43:01,680
Now it's hard to do that
on every single episode.
996
00:43:01,713 --> 00:43:03,915
I don't know who has ever
succeeded in that,
997
00:43:03,949 --> 00:43:06,685
but I think that we all
could feel as a cast
998
00:43:06,718 --> 00:43:09,855
when we were telling
a good story and doing it well.
999
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,895
- There was a lot of discussion
what "Enterprise"
1000
00:43:16,928 --> 00:43:19,464
would look like
and feel like.
1001
00:43:19,497 --> 00:43:20,899
narrator:
"Star Trek: Enterprise"
1002
00:43:20,932 --> 00:43:23,201
is a prequel
to the entire franchise.
1003
00:43:23,234 --> 00:43:24,936
Set in the 22nd century,
1004
00:43:24,970 --> 00:43:28,406
as Starfleet's first explorers
venture into space.
1005
00:43:28,439 --> 00:43:30,441
- You know, we were trying to,
I think,
1006
00:43:30,475 --> 00:43:32,343
deconstruct "Star Trek"
and figure out, you know,
1007
00:43:32,377 --> 00:43:33,645
how it all came together.
1008
00:43:33,679 --> 00:43:35,413
You know,
we'd certainly seen the future
1009
00:43:35,446 --> 00:43:37,883
of where it was all going.
1010
00:43:37,916 --> 00:43:40,886
And it was a real challenge
to kind of back that up
1011
00:43:40,919 --> 00:43:43,989
and imagine, you know,
what was this--
1012
00:43:44,022 --> 00:43:47,158
what was this like 150 years
before Captain Kirk.
1013
00:43:47,192 --> 00:43:49,360
- I called my mother
and said,
1014
00:43:49,394 --> 00:43:51,629
"Ma, I'm not gonna have
to stress about work.
1015
00:43:51,663 --> 00:43:52,798
I got a job."
1016
00:43:52,831 --> 00:43:56,267
- I had to audition with
a slight alien accent
1017
00:43:56,301 --> 00:43:59,204
for the character of Dr. Phlox,
which puzzled me.
1018
00:43:59,237 --> 00:44:00,972
I didn't really know what to do,
so I--
1019
00:44:01,006 --> 00:44:02,841
I sort of tried out
a variety of funny voices
1020
00:44:02,874 --> 00:44:04,609
with my wife before I settled
on the voice
1021
00:44:04,642 --> 00:44:06,444
I eventually arrived at.
1022
00:44:06,477 --> 00:44:08,113
Sounds sort of vaguely
East Indian.
1023
00:44:08,146 --> 00:44:12,017
I don't believe
you'll be needing my services.
1024
00:44:12,050 --> 00:44:13,685
- You know, I thought that
we were gonna make it
1025
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:15,286
and that we were gonna do
seven years
1026
00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:16,855
like all the rest
of these shows.
1027
00:44:16,888 --> 00:44:19,991
- I was just trying to tell
good stories
1028
00:44:20,025 --> 00:44:24,129
and do Gene's vision proud.
1029
00:44:24,162 --> 00:44:27,065
Tell the best "Star Trek"
stories that I could, you know?
1030
00:44:27,098 --> 00:44:29,434
And now that I'm no longer
involved with the show,
1031
00:44:29,467 --> 00:44:35,774
I'm the fan eagerly awaiting
the next television show.
1032
00:44:37,843 --> 00:44:40,645
- So in the '60s, I mean,
it a period of racial discord.
1033
00:44:40,678 --> 00:44:43,448
We got the Vietnam War,
youth rebellions,
1034
00:44:43,481 --> 00:44:45,884
emerging feminism,
and, you know, TV--
1035
00:44:45,917 --> 00:44:48,419
- Dirty hippies.
- Dirty hi--exactly.
1036
00:44:48,453 --> 00:44:50,321
There's no series
or television show
1037
00:44:50,355 --> 00:44:51,622
really addressing
these things.
1038
00:44:51,656 --> 00:44:53,725
You know, Roddenberry's able
to do is kind of explore
1039
00:44:53,759 --> 00:44:57,462
these things, but again,
in a way which is--
1040
00:44:57,495 --> 00:44:59,330
not only avoids the censors,
1041
00:44:59,364 --> 00:45:00,966
which he had a lot
of problems with,
1042
00:45:00,999 --> 00:45:03,668
but also allows the audience
1043
00:45:03,701 --> 00:45:06,237
to kind of look at it
from a different perspective.
1044
00:45:06,271 --> 00:45:08,673
And if they were looking
at race in America
1045
00:45:08,706 --> 00:45:10,976
on a documentary,
that's just not gonna have
1046
00:45:11,009 --> 00:45:12,477
the kind of impact,
whereas in
1047
00:45:12,510 --> 00:45:13,912
"Let That Be
Your Last Battlefield,"
1048
00:45:13,945 --> 00:45:15,680
we have the black
and white faces.
1049
00:45:15,713 --> 00:45:17,515
You know, and you can imagine
what the American public
1050
00:45:17,548 --> 00:45:19,484
was looking at this going,
"You know,
1051
00:45:19,517 --> 00:45:20,952
yeah, this is right.
This is kinda strange."
1052
00:45:20,986 --> 00:45:23,454
And again, this is an episode
that was done right after Mart--
1053
00:45:23,488 --> 00:45:24,455
it was produced
right after
1054
00:45:24,489 --> 00:45:25,757
Martin Luther King's
assassination.
1055
00:45:25,791 --> 00:45:27,725
- That's the beauty of sci-fi.
You can sort of
1056
00:45:27,759 --> 00:45:30,561
have these allegories
without
1057
00:45:30,595 --> 00:45:32,430
people knowing they're being
taught a lesson.
1058
00:45:32,463 --> 00:45:33,731
- Yeah.
- Big two on the nose.
1059
00:45:33,765 --> 00:45:34,866
- Yeah, they just think
they're watching
1060
00:45:34,900 --> 00:45:37,635
a fun space adventure
with a Canadian.
1061
00:45:37,668 --> 00:45:40,071
[laughter]
1062
00:45:41,306 --> 00:45:44,776
- "Star Trek" very much
at a time when, you know,
1063
00:45:44,810 --> 00:45:47,612
race, in particular, in the '60s
was such a big thing.
1064
00:45:47,645 --> 00:45:49,547
It broke down those barriers
in terms of talking--
1065
00:45:49,580 --> 00:45:53,451
talking about color,
multi-culturalism, other people.
1066
00:45:53,484 --> 00:45:57,989
And instead of making walls,
and instead of trying to
1067
00:45:58,023 --> 00:45:59,657
villainize others,
1068
00:45:59,690 --> 00:46:01,492
it was all
about embracing the other.
1069
00:46:01,526 --> 00:46:05,864
- Because, you know, when you
look at the "Star Trek" world,
1070
00:46:05,897 --> 00:46:09,567
you know, Gene really wanted
to create a world
1071
00:46:09,600 --> 00:46:12,637
where everybody could be,
you know?
1072
00:46:12,670 --> 00:46:15,073
And if we were having
some kind of trouble,
1073
00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:16,374
we could talk it out.
1074
00:46:16,407 --> 00:46:19,845
- We had one of the most
wonderful icons
1075
00:46:19,878 --> 00:46:23,114
in Nichelle Nichols, who was
not only African American,
1076
00:46:23,148 --> 00:46:25,250
she was a woman.
1077
00:46:25,283 --> 00:46:27,853
And, you know, she was there
on the bridge all the time.
1078
00:46:27,886 --> 00:46:29,320
She was important.
1079
00:46:29,354 --> 00:46:31,022
Sometimes she would just say,
"Channels open, sir,"
1080
00:46:31,056 --> 00:46:33,524
but the thing was
that she was there.
1081
00:46:33,558 --> 00:46:37,728
- She speaks
perfect English.
1082
00:46:37,762 --> 00:46:41,199
She's the communications officer
1083
00:46:41,232 --> 00:46:43,501
and she takes that
very seriously.
1084
00:46:43,534 --> 00:46:46,938
- She is not only gorgeous,
1085
00:46:46,972 --> 00:46:49,975
but she is
the communications officer.
1086
00:46:50,008 --> 00:46:51,742
She's the one you have
to talk to
1087
00:46:51,776 --> 00:46:54,112
if you want to talk
to anybody out in space.
1088
00:46:54,145 --> 00:46:56,381
And she's fly, okay?
1089
00:46:56,414 --> 00:46:59,885
And they all want to bone her,
and you know it.
1090
00:46:59,918 --> 00:47:02,253
- And there were some stations
in the South that said,
1091
00:47:02,287 --> 00:47:03,788
"Oh, you're having,"
what was then,
1092
00:47:03,821 --> 00:47:06,557
"a black woman on the bridge.
1093
00:47:06,591 --> 00:47:07,959
We're not gonna show
your show."
1094
00:47:07,993 --> 00:47:10,328
And Roddenberry said,
"[bleep] you," you know.
1095
00:47:10,361 --> 00:47:11,462
[chuckles]
1096
00:47:11,496 --> 00:47:13,764
And, you know,
"Too bad. You lose."
1097
00:47:13,798 --> 00:47:16,601
- A woman of color
in the late '60s
1098
00:47:16,634 --> 00:47:19,204
while the civil rights riots
were going on.
1099
00:47:19,237 --> 00:47:22,273
Her presence there
was a big deal.
1100
00:47:22,307 --> 00:47:25,076
- I had just been offered
1101
00:47:25,110 --> 00:47:28,246
a major role
in a Broadway musical.
1102
00:47:28,279 --> 00:47:32,583
And I met
Dr. Martin Luther King.
1103
00:47:32,617 --> 00:47:36,955
And I was so excited
to tell him.
1104
00:47:36,988 --> 00:47:39,024
And he said,
"You can't do that."
1105
00:47:39,057 --> 00:47:41,993
He said, "Don't you understand
what you're doing?
1106
00:47:42,027 --> 00:47:45,496
"This is television and
there's nobody like you on TV.
1107
00:47:45,530 --> 00:47:49,800
You can't--
you can't abdicate."
1108
00:47:49,834 --> 00:47:51,069
And I couldn't.
1109
00:47:51,102 --> 00:47:52,837
- The main thing
that has struck me
1110
00:47:52,870 --> 00:47:58,509
about Gene's series at the time
was how he mirrored
1111
00:47:58,543 --> 00:48:00,678
the things that were going on
in our society
1112
00:48:00,711 --> 00:48:03,614
by using the aliens
and the humans
1113
00:48:03,648 --> 00:48:05,216
to carry out those storylines.
1114
00:48:05,250 --> 00:48:06,918
He was very clever
in doing that.
1115
00:48:06,952 --> 00:48:08,119
- I liked the idea.
1116
00:48:08,153 --> 00:48:11,256
I'm not sure
it was always executed
1117
00:48:11,289 --> 00:48:12,958
as well as it might have.
1118
00:48:12,991 --> 00:48:14,392
I think we used the bludgeon
1119
00:48:14,425 --> 00:48:17,162
when we did the story of the
half black and half white.
1120
00:48:17,195 --> 00:48:19,530
You know, but we did it
you know?
1121
00:48:19,564 --> 00:48:22,300
And good for us
for taking on the issue.
1122
00:48:22,333 --> 00:48:24,402
- I am black
on the right side.
1123
00:48:24,435 --> 00:48:27,405
[dramatic music]
1124
00:48:27,438 --> 00:48:28,839
*
1125
00:48:28,873 --> 00:48:31,977
- I fail to see
the significant difference.
1126
00:48:32,010 --> 00:48:33,611
- Lokai is white
on the right--
1127
00:48:33,644 --> 00:48:36,881
all of his people are white
on the right side.
1128
00:48:36,914 --> 00:48:39,985
- Frank Gorshin
was a wonderful performer,
1129
00:48:40,018 --> 00:48:42,954
and he and Lou Antonio
were the two actors
1130
00:48:42,988 --> 00:48:45,156
who played
these opposing roles.
1131
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:47,692
People who were actually
mirror images of each other
1132
00:48:47,725 --> 00:48:50,795
should hate each other
they way they did.
1133
00:48:50,828 --> 00:48:53,298
And there was that great moment
where Kirk says,
1134
00:48:53,331 --> 00:48:55,500
"Why do you people
hate each other so much?
1135
00:48:55,533 --> 00:48:57,835
You're--you're the same."
1136
00:48:57,868 --> 00:48:59,270
"Don't you get it?
1137
00:48:59,304 --> 00:49:01,973
He's black on the right side,
I'm black on the left."
1138
00:49:02,007 --> 00:49:05,376
You know, "Oh."
[laughing]
1139
00:49:05,410 --> 00:49:07,178
- Science fiction
is at its best
1140
00:49:07,212 --> 00:49:08,879
when it challenges you.
1141
00:49:08,913 --> 00:49:12,083
It presents a message
while disguising itself
1142
00:49:12,117 --> 00:49:13,551
as entertainment.
1143
00:49:13,584 --> 00:49:15,820
- In an episode called
"Symbiosis,"
1144
00:49:15,853 --> 00:49:18,956
there's a planet
where they're all addicted.
1145
00:49:18,990 --> 00:49:21,892
And there's another species
1146
00:49:21,926 --> 00:49:23,961
that always supplies them
with their drug.
1147
00:49:23,995 --> 00:49:25,963
And we know that--
that this is
1148
00:49:25,997 --> 00:49:28,899
this horrible enabling
situation.
1149
00:49:28,933 --> 00:49:32,403
And we could easily cure
the addicts.
1150
00:49:32,437 --> 00:49:36,774
- Please, help us.
- I'm not sure that I can.
1151
00:49:39,110 --> 00:49:40,578
- But do we get involved
1152
00:49:40,611 --> 00:49:42,080
or do we let them
figure it out?
1153
00:49:42,113 --> 00:49:45,183
- The moment that I felt
was so haunting to me
1154
00:49:45,216 --> 00:49:47,885
was the one where
B'Elanna is pregnant
1155
00:49:47,918 --> 00:49:50,988
and can see that her child
will have Klingon DNA
1156
00:49:51,022 --> 00:49:54,259
and be born with the forehead
and she has developed a way
1157
00:49:54,292 --> 00:49:56,194
to possibly alter that
so her daughter
1158
00:49:56,227 --> 00:49:58,663
doesn't have to go through
what she went through.
1159
00:49:58,696 --> 00:50:01,666
And I wept when I read
the episode.
1160
00:50:01,699 --> 00:50:03,334
But then to be responsible
for a child
1161
00:50:03,368 --> 00:50:06,937
and to have the technology to
change the future of this child.
1162
00:50:06,971 --> 00:50:09,407
And it was, um--
1163
00:50:09,440 --> 00:50:11,276
it was a difficult
and wonderful episode.
1164
00:50:11,309 --> 00:50:12,943
- When you look at Data,
you know,
1165
00:50:12,977 --> 00:50:16,047
at one point he is on trial,
you know.
1166
00:50:16,081 --> 00:50:20,751
And it's, like, is he on trial
because he's different?
1167
00:50:20,785 --> 00:50:24,789
Is he on trial because
he should be not be thinking
1168
00:50:24,822 --> 00:50:26,924
the way that he's thinking
because he's, after all,
1169
00:50:26,957 --> 00:50:28,993
a machine
and should not be moving--
1170
00:50:29,026 --> 00:50:32,863
I mean, they're all the
questions that we deal with.
1171
00:50:32,897 --> 00:50:36,167
And whether it's race
because it's skin color,
1172
00:50:36,201 --> 00:50:39,003
or race because
you're an android,
1173
00:50:39,036 --> 00:50:42,140
or, you know, race because
you're only this big and fuzzy.
1174
00:50:42,173 --> 00:50:43,608
You're a Tribble,
you know?
1175
00:50:43,641 --> 00:50:46,811
It's all of these stories
go into saying,
1176
00:50:46,844 --> 00:50:50,248
"Hey, we actually all have
to try to do this together."
1177
00:50:52,183 --> 00:50:54,051
- The cultural makeup
of the bridge,
1178
00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,853
that was science fiction...
- Absolutely.
1179
00:50:55,886 --> 00:50:57,588
- In the mid '60s.
1180
00:50:57,622 --> 00:50:59,857
People who watch it today
have no idea
1181
00:50:59,890 --> 00:51:02,460
how startling that was.
1182
00:51:02,493 --> 00:51:04,829
You had
this multi-cultural crew,
1183
00:51:04,862 --> 00:51:06,030
not just multi-cultural,
1184
00:51:06,063 --> 00:51:09,200
but it was male and female
as well.
1185
00:51:09,234 --> 00:51:12,137
I mean, I know that when
Roddenberry did the first pilot
1186
00:51:12,170 --> 00:51:13,938
and Majel Barrett
was Number One,
1187
00:51:13,971 --> 00:51:15,873
the studio was like...
- Yeah.
1188
00:51:15,906 --> 00:51:22,012
- Who's gonna believe a woman
in charge of a starship?
1189
00:51:22,046 --> 00:51:23,814
- The thing that's really
amazing about "Star Trek"
1190
00:51:23,848 --> 00:51:25,383
is that it definitely has
inspired people
1191
00:51:25,416 --> 00:51:27,785
to sort of, you know,
proceed down that path, right?
1192
00:51:27,818 --> 00:51:29,420
- Yeah.
- A lot of technologists,
1193
00:51:29,454 --> 00:51:31,989
of course talk about the
StarTAC Motorola phone, right?
1194
00:51:32,022 --> 00:51:33,658
The flip phone
coming from the communicator.
1195
00:51:33,691 --> 00:51:36,661
But it gives people a vision
to sort of think about,
1196
00:51:36,694 --> 00:51:38,196
"Well, why isn't
that possible?
1197
00:51:38,229 --> 00:51:39,597
- Well, the PADD
is an obvious thing,
1198
00:51:39,630 --> 00:51:41,732
which the iPad, I think,
was designed after specifically.
1199
00:51:41,766 --> 00:51:43,301
- Didn't they say...
- Yes.
1200
00:51:43,334 --> 00:51:44,469
- He took the design from iPad--
- Yes.
1201
00:51:44,502 --> 00:51:47,172
- Well, they wanted to call it
a PADD,
1202
00:51:47,205 --> 00:51:48,706
Personal Access Display Device,
1203
00:51:48,739 --> 00:51:49,874
which is what we called it
on the show,
1204
00:51:49,907 --> 00:51:51,642
but Paramount
wouldn't allow it.
1205
00:51:51,676 --> 00:51:53,411
- And what's really neat,
I mean,
1206
00:51:53,444 --> 00:51:55,079
the computer interaction
is things like we get
1207
00:51:55,112 --> 00:51:57,515
with Siri and Alexa.
- Well, yes, exactly.
1208
00:51:57,548 --> 00:51:59,317
I mean, you literally talk
to a computer,
1209
00:51:59,350 --> 00:52:01,186
and it, you know,
responds to your queries.
1210
00:52:01,219 --> 00:52:02,953
- Wow, you don't even
think about that.
1211
00:52:02,987 --> 00:52:03,954
- Yeah.
- I mean, I think this is
1212
00:52:03,988 --> 00:52:06,791
a really--kind of a neat
dynamic
1213
00:52:06,824 --> 00:52:09,427
of science sort of influencing
science fiction
1214
00:52:09,460 --> 00:52:13,063
and in return, getting some
sort of inspiration back.
1215
00:52:13,097 --> 00:52:14,932
- The only thing they got
really, really wrong for me
1216
00:52:14,965 --> 00:52:16,534
is the fact that
they plugged Data in.
1217
00:52:16,567 --> 00:52:18,002
I feel like he'd have
Bluetooth.
1218
00:52:18,035 --> 00:52:20,471
[laughter]
1219
00:52:20,505 --> 00:52:21,906
- They got to put him
in his charger every night.
1220
00:52:21,939 --> 00:52:22,907
[laughter]
1221
00:52:22,940 --> 00:52:24,309
- When I see someone
in a restaurant
1222
00:52:24,342 --> 00:52:26,944
and they have the Bluetooth
in their ear
1223
00:52:26,977 --> 00:52:28,913
while dining
with someone else,
1224
00:52:28,946 --> 00:52:31,982
I usually shout out,
"Let it go, Uhura."
1225
00:52:32,016 --> 00:52:33,951
[laughter]
1226
00:52:33,984 --> 00:52:34,952
And you know what?
1227
00:52:34,985 --> 00:52:36,187
They know
what I'm talking about.
1228
00:52:36,221 --> 00:52:38,055
- Oh, there you go.
- And they feel horrible.
1229
00:52:42,827 --> 00:52:45,663
- Gene was clearly a visionary.
1230
00:52:45,696 --> 00:52:47,298
He went and studied, though,
1231
00:52:47,332 --> 00:52:49,500
the technologies
that would be involved
1232
00:52:49,534 --> 00:52:52,270
in order to make
his show credible.
1233
00:52:52,303 --> 00:52:54,805
- Believability was
a huge thing for my father.
1234
00:52:54,839 --> 00:52:58,443
If you go back and read some
of the original writers' guides
1235
00:52:58,476 --> 00:53:00,245
and bibles
for the original series,
1236
00:53:00,278 --> 00:53:03,948
He says in there, you know,
"Believability is essential."
1237
00:53:03,981 --> 00:53:05,716
- He brought
Harvey Lynn, his cousin
1238
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:08,319
who worked with the RAND
company, to advise.
1239
00:53:08,353 --> 00:53:10,688
And that's where a lot
of the technology came from.
1240
00:53:10,721 --> 00:53:13,090
- I think because I loved
the space program,
1241
00:53:13,123 --> 00:53:15,893
"Star Trek" to me
at that point felt real.
1242
00:53:15,926 --> 00:53:17,728
It felt like they all took
it kinda seriously.
1243
00:53:17,762 --> 00:53:19,430
There was a real ship
like that.
1244
00:53:19,464 --> 00:53:21,732
I do remember when I was a kid
I thought that was a real ship.
1245
00:53:21,766 --> 00:53:23,368
I thought, you know,
"There's a big ship
1246
00:53:23,401 --> 00:53:25,370
that flies around in space.
I see it every week."
1247
00:53:25,403 --> 00:53:27,972
- The technology absolutely
captured my imagination.
1248
00:53:28,005 --> 00:53:31,909
I mean, especially the idea
of being able to
1249
00:53:31,942 --> 00:53:34,011
live in this giant spaceship.
1250
00:53:34,044 --> 00:53:36,781
- He wanted to do adult stories,
adult science fiction,
1251
00:53:36,814 --> 00:53:40,050
so he knew that in order to make
that kind of a show work,
1252
00:53:40,084 --> 00:53:43,153
he had a very credible design
for his starship.
1253
00:53:43,187 --> 00:53:45,155
- But there's a reason
the Enterprise hangs
1254
00:53:45,189 --> 00:53:47,958
in the Smithsonian Institute.
1255
00:53:47,992 --> 00:53:50,395
It is such--
not just an iconic ship,
1256
00:53:50,428 --> 00:53:51,929
but such a beautiful ship.
1257
00:53:51,962 --> 00:53:54,198
It's a magnificent
aesthetic achievement.
1258
00:53:54,231 --> 00:53:57,201
- Roddenberry said, "We want
our audience to believe
1259
00:53:57,234 --> 00:53:59,604
"that for the hour they're
watching 'Star Trek,'
1260
00:53:59,637 --> 00:54:03,107
"they're really on a spaceship
out exploring the galaxy.
1261
00:54:03,140 --> 00:54:04,875
"So we have to design
the bridge.
1262
00:54:04,909 --> 00:54:07,077
"We have to think
about navigation.
1263
00:54:07,111 --> 00:54:09,179
We have to think
about what powers the ship."
1264
00:54:09,213 --> 00:54:10,515
And then he thought,
"You know,
1265
00:54:10,548 --> 00:54:13,183
"why don't we set up
a system
1266
00:54:13,217 --> 00:54:14,719
"in the sick bay
called the biobed?
1267
00:54:14,752 --> 00:54:16,987
"A crewman comes in,
lays down on the biobed,
1268
00:54:17,021 --> 00:54:18,789
"and on a computer screen
above the bed,
1269
00:54:18,823 --> 00:54:21,759
it instantly displays
all of their vital signs."
1270
00:54:21,792 --> 00:54:23,328
narrator:
The creators of "Star Trek"
1271
00:54:23,361 --> 00:54:25,630
designed and engineered gadgets
for the crew
1272
00:54:25,663 --> 00:54:27,498
that are decades ahead
of their time.
1273
00:54:27,532 --> 00:54:30,835
And inspire the devices that
are second nature to us today.
1274
00:54:30,868 --> 00:54:34,104
- But also the smaller things
like the tricorder
1275
00:54:34,138 --> 00:54:36,874
or the communicator,
which, I mean,
1276
00:54:36,907 --> 00:54:39,176
you know I have one
in my pocket right now
1277
00:54:39,209 --> 00:54:40,945
that's not dissimilar.
1278
00:54:40,978 --> 00:54:43,013
- Leonard Nimoy, years ago,
1279
00:54:43,047 --> 00:54:47,385
he told me the flip phone
was purposely designed
1280
00:54:47,418 --> 00:54:49,186
to look like a communicator.
1281
00:54:49,219 --> 00:54:51,155
That the inventor
of the flip phone
1282
00:54:51,188 --> 00:54:54,359
wanted it to be a pastiche
of "Star Trek."
1283
00:54:54,392 --> 00:54:57,395
- A guy named Martin Cooper
in the 1970s
1284
00:54:57,428 --> 00:55:01,265
was tasked by Motorola
and Bell Labs
1285
00:55:01,298 --> 00:55:04,435
to create a, you know,
one of the first cell phones.
1286
00:55:04,469 --> 00:55:06,837
A portable telephone that,
you know,
1287
00:55:06,871 --> 00:55:08,639
you could carry
and walk around with,
1288
00:55:08,673 --> 00:55:10,775
and it would ultimately be
small enough
1289
00:55:10,808 --> 00:55:12,209
to fit in a pocket.
1290
00:55:12,242 --> 00:55:16,514
And Cooper explicitly said,
"When I was designing
1291
00:55:16,547 --> 00:55:20,017
"that first handheld phone,
I thought,
1292
00:55:20,050 --> 00:55:21,452
"'You know,
this thing is kinda big.
1293
00:55:21,486 --> 00:55:24,489
"'It's a little bulky,
but if I fold it in half,
1294
00:55:24,522 --> 00:55:27,191
"'that'll save--
that'll save space.
1295
00:55:27,224 --> 00:55:28,959
"'It'll make it smaller
and easier to carry.
1296
00:55:28,993 --> 00:55:30,661
"'Plus, it'll be really cool
to flip open
1297
00:55:30,695 --> 00:55:32,597
"'Like the communicators
on "Star Trek."'"
1298
00:55:32,630 --> 00:55:35,933
- You have these PADDs that are
now iPads and everything.
1299
00:55:35,966 --> 00:55:39,870
Well, we didn't have iPads then,
so it was--it was like
1300
00:55:39,904 --> 00:55:42,039
we were doing it,
we'd be making things up.
1301
00:55:42,072 --> 00:55:43,641
But if you set it down too hard,
you gotta do--
1302
00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:44,809
it would make a clunk.
1303
00:55:44,842 --> 00:55:45,810
You'd have to take
the whole shot over.
1304
00:55:45,843 --> 00:55:48,546
- The PADDs that they used,
1305
00:55:48,579 --> 00:55:50,948
which had nothing on them,
1306
00:55:50,981 --> 00:55:55,352
we'd use them in the stories
to somehow advance the plot,
1307
00:55:55,386 --> 00:55:57,888
or they're looking
at a report.
1308
00:55:57,922 --> 00:56:01,459
Never in a million years
did any of us think
1309
00:56:01,492 --> 00:56:03,694
this would be a thing.
1310
00:56:03,728 --> 00:56:05,663
It was total
science fiction to us.
1311
00:56:05,696 --> 00:56:08,065
- It was 20 years after
1312
00:56:08,098 --> 00:56:10,167
"Star Trek:
The Next Generation" premiered
1313
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:12,803
that Apple introduced
the iPad.
1314
00:56:12,837 --> 00:56:18,075
And that's, you know,
that's a dead ringer, really,
1315
00:56:18,108 --> 00:56:20,377
for the PADDs that we had on
"Star Trek: The Next Generation"
1316
00:56:20,411 --> 00:56:21,479
20 years earlier.
1317
00:56:21,512 --> 00:56:24,615
- Universal translation
technology,
1318
00:56:24,649 --> 00:56:26,417
artificial intelligence,
all kinds of things,
1319
00:56:26,451 --> 00:56:30,154
and it instilled in some fans
a passion for sce,
1320
00:56:30,187 --> 00:56:32,690
and who knows what they went on
to discover or will discover.
1321
00:56:32,723 --> 00:56:34,892
- People forget this.
They look at it now, they say,
1322
00:56:34,925 --> 00:56:36,827
"Oh, 'Star Trek's' so dated.
It's so primitive."
1323
00:56:36,861 --> 00:56:37,995
They have no idea.
1324
00:56:38,028 --> 00:56:40,097
Supermarkets didn't have
sliding doors yet.
1325
00:56:40,130 --> 00:56:42,132
That's how prescient
"Star Trek" was.
1326
00:56:42,166 --> 00:56:44,669
- It was Roddenberry's idea
for the holodeck,
1327
00:56:44,702 --> 00:56:47,304
which I always thought
was revolutionary, you know?
1328
00:56:47,337 --> 00:56:49,039
Virtual reality
was being explored
1329
00:56:49,073 --> 00:56:51,476
in science fiction novels,
1330
00:56:51,509 --> 00:56:54,278
but he was really
the first to kind of put
1331
00:56:54,311 --> 00:56:57,715
true, thorough
virtual reality,
1332
00:56:57,748 --> 00:56:59,283
certainly onto
a television show.
1333
00:56:59,316 --> 00:57:01,752
- The holodeck, which was
a wonderful invention
1334
00:57:01,786 --> 00:57:05,690
taken to imaginative creative
extremes in "Next Generation,"
1335
00:57:05,723 --> 00:57:07,725
has its origins in the
"Star Trek" animated series
1336
00:57:07,758 --> 00:57:08,893
that most people don't know.
1337
00:57:08,926 --> 00:57:10,761
The holodeck
was in an episode
1338
00:57:10,795 --> 00:57:12,597
of the "Star Trek" cartoon,
"Practical Joker."
1339
00:57:12,630 --> 00:57:13,998
That was the first time
we saw that.
1340
00:57:14,031 --> 00:57:16,166
- If you look at "Star Trek,"
the original "Star Trek,"
1341
00:57:16,200 --> 00:57:19,537
you will see Spock
holding little cards
1342
00:57:19,570 --> 00:57:22,072
and data cards
that he would slip
1343
00:57:22,106 --> 00:57:23,874
into a slot on the computer.
1344
00:57:23,908 --> 00:57:26,577
They look exactly like
the 3 1/2" floppy disks
1345
00:57:26,611 --> 00:57:28,613
that were created
20 years later.
1346
00:57:28,646 --> 00:57:30,715
- It's remarkable to think,
you know,
1347
00:57:30,748 --> 00:57:32,049
Siri's getting pretty close
1348
00:57:32,082 --> 00:57:33,684
to the computer
on the Enterprise.
1349
00:57:33,718 --> 00:57:37,087
- "Star Trek," I think,
on the technology side,
1350
00:57:37,121 --> 00:57:39,957
partly it's the extraordinary
vision of Gene and the people
1351
00:57:39,990 --> 00:57:42,493
that he worked with
in creating that original show
1352
00:57:42,527 --> 00:57:46,396
and thinking about how things
can be better in the future,
1353
00:57:46,430 --> 00:57:48,633
and then people growing up
watching "Star Trek"
1354
00:57:48,666 --> 00:57:50,267
making those things happen
1355
00:57:50,300 --> 00:57:52,236
because they were inspired
by "Star Trek."
1356
00:57:52,269 --> 00:57:55,372
So it's a really fascinating
kind of feedback loop
1357
00:57:55,405 --> 00:57:58,075
between art and science.
1358
00:57:58,108 --> 00:58:00,545
- I can't think of another show
that had nearly the impact
1359
00:58:00,578 --> 00:58:04,582
for people who really, you know,
work in the aerospace industry
1360
00:58:04,615 --> 00:58:06,150
that "Star Trek" did,
right.
1361
00:58:06,183 --> 00:58:08,285
Or even for a lot of cases,
physics and things like that.
1362
00:58:08,318 --> 00:58:11,789
Because it did take
a realistic approach to science
1363
00:58:11,822 --> 00:58:14,024
and using science
to solve problems.
1364
00:58:14,058 --> 00:58:19,496
But you try to solve them
with a rational approach.
1365
00:58:20,865 --> 00:58:21,966
narrator: "Star Trek" begins
as a prime-time
1366
00:58:21,999 --> 00:58:23,367
television series,
1367
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:25,002
but over the next
half century,
1368
00:58:25,035 --> 00:58:27,437
it reaches far beyond
the airwaves
1369
00:58:27,471 --> 00:58:29,740
to help shape our world.
1370
00:58:29,774 --> 00:58:32,342
- "Star Trek" inspired people.
1371
00:58:32,376 --> 00:58:36,080
"Star Trek," like,
people became scientists.
1372
00:58:36,113 --> 00:58:37,648
They became physicists.
1373
00:58:37,682 --> 00:58:40,317
They became doctors
and astronauts
1374
00:58:40,350 --> 00:58:42,252
because of "Star Trek."
1375
00:58:42,286 --> 00:58:45,022
- When you see someone who says,
"You were such a role model.
1376
00:58:45,055 --> 00:58:46,891
You know, I went to med school
because of you."
1377
00:58:46,924 --> 00:58:48,826
Or, "I got into nursing
because of you."
1378
00:58:48,859 --> 00:58:51,461
It made it richer for me.
It made it a richer experience.
1379
00:58:51,495 --> 00:58:55,032
- I've received a lot of letters
from people
1380
00:58:55,065 --> 00:58:58,135
who were inspired
by "Star Trek" in general
1381
00:58:58,168 --> 00:59:00,805
and from my character,
specifically,
1382
00:59:00,838 --> 00:59:03,107
to go into the sciences,
into engineering.
1383
00:59:03,140 --> 00:59:06,043
It's cool that you can make
science cool.
1384
00:59:06,076 --> 00:59:09,546
And that it can inspire somebody
to move in that direction.
1385
00:59:09,580 --> 00:59:11,448
- One of the reasons I wanted
to become an engineer
1386
00:59:11,481 --> 00:59:13,317
was because of "Star Trek."
1387
00:59:13,350 --> 00:59:17,087
Because there was something
different about it
1388
00:59:17,121 --> 00:59:21,659
in that the world felt
more thought through and real
1389
00:59:21,692 --> 00:59:24,228
than other things
that you had seen.
1390
00:59:24,261 --> 00:59:27,698
- I mean, there's a picture
of NASA and Mission Control
1391
00:59:27,732 --> 00:59:29,867
and people were wearing
Spock ears.
1392
00:59:29,900 --> 00:59:33,871
- People who went to college
to study physics
1393
00:59:33,904 --> 00:59:36,540
or engineering or medicine
because they grew up
1394
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,275
and were inspired
by "Star Trek."
1395
00:59:38,308 --> 00:59:41,078
And wanted to be the next Scotty
or the next Dr. McCoy.
1396
00:59:41,111 --> 00:59:42,613
- Jimmy Doohan,
who played Scotty,
1397
00:59:42,647 --> 00:59:45,015
and DeForest Kelley,
who played McCoy,
1398
00:59:45,049 --> 00:59:49,086
were always relating stories
1399
00:59:49,119 --> 00:59:50,621
of people
who had written to them
1400
00:59:50,655 --> 00:59:52,690
and would become engineers
and doctors
1401
00:59:52,723 --> 00:59:54,625
because of "Star Trek."
1402
00:59:54,659 --> 00:59:56,861
I think that was great.
1403
00:59:56,894 --> 01:00:00,164
But how does that apply to me?
And it didn't.
1404
01:00:00,197 --> 01:00:02,199
And for the longest time,
it didn't.
1405
01:00:02,232 --> 01:00:05,703
Until I met a young lady,
who after "Star Trek"
1406
01:00:05,736 --> 01:00:09,139
had gone to school
to learn Russian
1407
01:00:09,173 --> 01:00:12,309
and went to work
for the State Department.
1408
01:00:12,342 --> 01:00:16,981
Her mission
was so important
1409
01:00:17,014 --> 01:00:18,949
that she couldn't tell me
what it was about.
1410
01:00:18,983 --> 01:00:21,051
But it had to do
with the Russians,
1411
01:00:21,085 --> 01:00:24,254
so I actually helped
inspire a spy.
1412
01:00:24,288 --> 01:00:25,422
[laughing]
1413
01:00:25,455 --> 01:00:27,658
- I was so fascinated
by "Star Trek"
1414
01:00:27,692 --> 01:00:31,128
that maybe the first filmmaking
book I can remember reading was
1415
01:00:31,161 --> 01:00:33,630
"The Making of Star Trek"
by Stephen Whitfield.
1416
01:00:33,664 --> 01:00:35,499
And I remember being
so fascinated
1417
01:00:35,532 --> 01:00:38,903
by looking at the
behind-the-scenes pictures,
1418
01:00:38,936 --> 01:00:41,739
the layout of how the sets
were put together
1419
01:00:41,772 --> 01:00:44,374
at Desilu
and Paramount Studios.
1420
01:00:44,408 --> 01:00:46,610
The idea of using
a colored light
1421
01:00:46,643 --> 01:00:48,578
to create different planets.
1422
01:00:48,612 --> 01:00:51,982
Just all the imagination
that went into it,
1423
01:00:52,016 --> 01:00:53,818
it just really excited me,
1424
01:00:53,851 --> 01:00:57,354
and it really became a doorway
into the idea of filmmaking
1425
01:00:57,387 --> 01:01:00,858
and into television,
which obviously, you know,
1426
01:01:00,891 --> 01:01:02,226
I've spent my whole life on.
1427
01:01:02,259 --> 01:01:04,895
- Probably one of the most
influential books in my life
1428
01:01:04,929 --> 01:01:06,797
was discovering
"The Making of Star Trek"
1429
01:01:06,831 --> 01:01:09,366
by Stephen Whitfield, which I
found at a school book fair
1430
01:01:09,399 --> 01:01:10,935
in the sixth grade.
1431
01:01:10,968 --> 01:01:14,404
And I read that thing cover
to cover over and over again
1432
01:01:14,438 --> 01:01:17,207
'cause that really was about the
making of a television series,
1433
01:01:17,241 --> 01:01:20,610
about selling a pilot,
you know, show bibles
1434
01:01:20,644 --> 01:01:23,080
and production questions
and issues
1435
01:01:23,113 --> 01:01:24,214
and fighting with networks.
1436
01:01:24,248 --> 01:01:26,784
And I was completely
enthralled with it.
1437
01:01:26,817 --> 01:01:30,721
And it sort of--it imprinted
itself in me in a profound way.
1438
01:01:30,755 --> 01:01:32,790
You know, I didn't really
think about
1439
01:01:32,823 --> 01:01:35,092
becoming a television writer
at that age,
1440
01:01:35,125 --> 01:01:36,293
and wouldn't for many,
many years.
1441
01:01:36,326 --> 01:01:38,095
'Cause that wasn't a real job.
1442
01:01:38,128 --> 01:01:40,931
But reading that book
gave me a hunger to do that.
1443
01:01:40,965 --> 01:01:43,667
I wanted, on some basic level,
to do that, too,
1444
01:01:43,700 --> 01:01:46,170
to make a television series
and to do those things
1445
01:01:46,203 --> 01:01:47,537
like Gene had done.
1446
01:01:47,571 --> 01:01:51,108
- We were invited to the rollout
of the Enterprise shuttle.
1447
01:01:51,141 --> 01:01:54,611
I didn't have an understanding
of how significant it was
1448
01:01:54,644 --> 01:01:56,480
until we got there.
1449
01:01:56,513 --> 01:01:58,382
And there were several hundred
people there.
1450
01:01:58,415 --> 01:02:00,717
And they had
the Air Force Band.
1451
01:02:00,751 --> 01:02:05,622
The conductor raised
the baton and waved his hand
1452
01:02:05,655 --> 01:02:08,692
and the band started
playing up.
1453
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:12,029
The Enterprise rolled out
from behind the building,
1454
01:02:12,062 --> 01:02:14,431
and it was amazing to see.
1455
01:02:14,464 --> 01:02:17,034
As it came out,
the band started playing
1456
01:02:17,067 --> 01:02:19,203
the theme music
from "Star Trek."
1457
01:02:19,236 --> 01:02:25,409
And we jumped up as one,
and were cheering and screaming.
1458
01:02:25,442 --> 01:02:28,278
It was just the most
remarkable moment.
1459
01:02:28,312 --> 01:02:31,048
And, you know, across the nose
of the shuttle
1460
01:02:31,081 --> 01:02:33,383
was the word "Enterprise."
1461
01:02:33,417 --> 01:02:37,421
For the first time, I realized
that there was a significance
1462
01:02:37,454 --> 01:02:41,491
beyond the fact that we were
a television show
1463
01:02:41,525 --> 01:02:43,127
that went on once a week.
1464
01:02:43,160 --> 01:02:46,897
That we really had
an influence in the culture.
1465
01:02:46,931 --> 01:02:48,332
And I guess it was
the first time
1466
01:02:48,365 --> 01:02:51,735
that I really felt that
I could take a bow.
1467
01:02:51,768 --> 01:02:55,639
Up until then, my sense was,
"I'm a supporting character
1468
01:02:55,672 --> 01:02:57,875
"with very little to do.
1469
01:02:57,908 --> 01:03:01,879
I'm riding the coattails
of this television project,
1470
01:03:01,912 --> 01:03:04,148
and I haven't really
contributed very much.
1471
01:03:04,181 --> 01:03:07,451
Well, that was all true,
but I realized then
1472
01:03:07,484 --> 01:03:11,355
that I was part of a group
that, as a group,
1473
01:03:11,388 --> 01:03:12,823
we had an influence.
1474
01:03:12,857 --> 01:03:15,993
That we had an influence
in society
1475
01:03:16,026 --> 01:03:17,761
- Because of "Star Trek,"
I am all the things I just said.
1476
01:03:17,794 --> 01:03:21,031
Engineer, physicist,
doctor, psychiatrist.
1477
01:03:21,065 --> 01:03:23,600
I've joined the military.
I became a policeman.
1478
01:03:23,633 --> 01:03:27,471
But the most potent,
I think,
1479
01:03:27,504 --> 01:03:29,339
are the stories
where someone comes up
1480
01:03:29,373 --> 01:03:33,043
and looks you in the eye
and says,
1481
01:03:33,077 --> 01:03:36,613
"Star Trek was the only time
in my house
1482
01:03:36,646 --> 01:03:38,682
"where there was peace.
1483
01:03:38,715 --> 01:03:41,886
"Where my dad or my mother
or the abuse or the alcohol,"
1484
01:03:41,919 --> 01:03:44,521
or whatever it was, "the only
time where we sat together
1485
01:03:44,554 --> 01:03:48,959
and it was peaceful
and trouble-free."
1486
01:03:48,993 --> 01:03:51,228
And--and it's heartbreaking.
1487
01:03:51,261 --> 01:03:52,429
And it's true.
1488
01:03:52,462 --> 01:03:54,131
You can see it in their eyes
how true it is
1489
01:03:54,164 --> 01:03:55,432
and how important it is.
1490
01:03:55,465 --> 01:04:00,670
- There are people who have gone
to nine foster homes,
1491
01:04:00,704 --> 01:04:05,675
and the only steady thing
in all of those foster homes
1492
01:04:05,709 --> 01:04:07,844
was that the family
watched "Star Trek."
1493
01:04:07,878 --> 01:04:10,881
- "Star Trek" over the years
has inspired people.
1494
01:04:10,915 --> 01:04:16,253
And whether it's inspired them
to follow their dreams
1495
01:04:16,286 --> 01:04:18,222
or believe in themselves,
1496
01:04:18,255 --> 01:04:21,258
I mean, that's the--
one of the key messages
1497
01:04:21,291 --> 01:04:25,529
in "Star Trek" is,
"You're a great person.
1498
01:04:25,562 --> 01:04:27,831
"You have valid thoughts,
valid ideas.
1499
01:04:27,864 --> 01:04:31,101
"Never think of yourself
as less than anyone else.
1500
01:04:31,135 --> 01:04:35,739
Now go out there
and follow your dreams."
1501
01:04:35,772 --> 01:04:37,374
- We were talking earlier,
Doug,
1502
01:04:37,407 --> 01:04:41,078
before we started shooting here
and I just found out,
1503
01:04:41,111 --> 01:04:44,514
somehow, just found out
about a book right here.
1504
01:04:44,548 --> 01:04:46,083
- How could you
have missed this book?
1505
01:04:46,116 --> 01:04:50,921
- Here it is,
"The Making of Star Trek."
1506
01:04:50,955 --> 01:04:52,456
- That's the book.
1507
01:04:52,489 --> 01:04:54,224
- The book.
- The book.
1508
01:04:54,258 --> 01:04:56,593
That book
changed my life completely.
1509
01:04:56,626 --> 01:04:57,761
That book came out,
I guess, like,
1510
01:04:57,794 --> 01:04:59,063
the second season
of "Star Trek."
1511
01:04:59,096 --> 01:05:01,098
- Uh-huh.
- I was crazy about the show.
1512
01:05:01,131 --> 01:05:03,700
- That book was,
I mean for me,
1513
01:05:03,733 --> 01:05:06,070
it was like Popeye
downing a can of spinach.
1514
01:05:06,103 --> 01:05:07,104
Can I see it?
- I mean, look at this.
1515
01:05:07,137 --> 01:05:08,438
This is the diagram
of the bridge.
1516
01:05:08,472 --> 01:05:11,775
- Honestly, I mean,
it totally gave me a direction.
1517
01:05:11,808 --> 01:05:14,344
I knew what I wanted to do
after I read that book.
1518
01:05:14,378 --> 01:05:17,547
And I could say that
"Star Trek" and that book
1519
01:05:17,581 --> 01:05:19,816
made me who I am today, and that
kinda sounds a little sad.
1520
01:05:19,849 --> 01:05:22,319
But, you know, it led me
to a couple of Emmys.
1521
01:05:22,352 --> 01:05:24,354
Led me to
an Academy Award, you know.
1522
01:05:24,388 --> 01:05:29,059
And that's all because
of "Star Trek."
1523
01:05:30,327 --> 01:05:31,828
- My favorite episodes
were always the ones--
1524
01:05:31,861 --> 01:05:33,163
personally, 'cause, you know,
I was doing 'em.
1525
01:05:33,197 --> 01:05:35,132
- Mm-hmm.
- Were the ones where Seven
1526
01:05:35,165 --> 01:05:36,533
was really exploring
her humanity.
1527
01:05:36,566 --> 01:05:38,735
So I think it was
"Someone To Watch Over Me"
1528
01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:40,237
where the doctor's teaching
Seven how to date.
1529
01:05:40,270 --> 01:05:42,439
- Oh, that's a great one.
- And I just--
1530
01:05:42,472 --> 01:05:44,975
I thought that was so lovely
and so touching,
1531
01:05:45,009 --> 01:05:46,576
and it just broke my heart
at the end
1532
01:05:46,610 --> 01:05:48,012
when he's kinda
falling in love with Seven
1533
01:05:48,045 --> 01:05:49,779
and she's like, "Yeah,
there's nobody here for me."
1534
01:05:49,813 --> 01:05:51,315
I hated that moment.
1535
01:05:51,348 --> 01:05:53,750
- That's where you break the
exoskeleton if I'm not mistaken.
1536
01:05:53,783 --> 01:05:55,385
- Yes!
- The lobster.
1537
01:05:55,419 --> 01:05:56,686
- The creature has an
exoskeleton, yes.
1538
01:05:56,720 --> 01:05:57,821
[laughter]
1539
01:05:57,854 --> 01:05:59,856
So that was
one of my favorites, definitely.
1540
01:06:04,928 --> 01:06:08,665
- Well, a truly great
"Star Trek" episode,
1541
01:06:08,698 --> 01:06:13,070
in my opinion,
has a list of ingredients.
1542
01:06:13,103 --> 01:06:15,105
It's an equation.
1543
01:06:15,139 --> 01:06:18,108
And that equation includes:
1544
01:06:18,142 --> 01:06:21,045
a great high concept
1545
01:06:21,078 --> 01:06:24,314
that provides
cool character dynamics
1546
01:06:24,348 --> 01:06:27,517
and conflict,
but also is a parable.
1547
01:06:27,551 --> 01:06:28,952
It has some deeper theme.
1548
01:06:28,985 --> 01:06:30,420
- "Devil in the Dark"
1549
01:06:30,454 --> 01:06:31,855
I thought
was a wonderful episode
1550
01:06:31,888 --> 01:06:35,659
about--about
fear of the unknown.
1551
01:06:35,692 --> 01:06:37,194
How we fear--and even hate
1552
01:06:37,227 --> 01:06:39,629
something that we
don't know anything about.
1553
01:06:39,663 --> 01:06:41,465
Learn who your enemy is
and maybe then--
1554
01:06:41,498 --> 01:06:44,501
maybe then it's no longer
your enemy.
1555
01:06:45,669 --> 01:06:47,371
Interesting episode.
1556
01:06:47,404 --> 01:06:49,706
- You know, I remember
the "Devil in the Dark" episode
1557
01:06:49,739 --> 01:06:51,541
with the Horta.
That really left
1558
01:06:51,575 --> 01:06:52,842
a big impression on me
as a kid,
1559
01:06:52,876 --> 01:06:54,778
that he didn't kill the monster
1560
01:06:54,811 --> 01:06:56,113
and that the monster
was a mother
1561
01:06:56,146 --> 01:06:57,547
and had all these eggs.
1562
01:06:57,581 --> 01:06:58,882
- They're eggs,
aren't they?
1563
01:06:58,915 --> 01:07:00,817
- Yes, Captain.
Eggs.
1564
01:07:00,850 --> 01:07:02,486
And about to hatch.
1565
01:07:02,519 --> 01:07:04,054
- "A City on the Edge
of Forever"
1566
01:07:04,088 --> 01:07:06,190
which is, of course,
the episode of "Star Trek"
1567
01:07:06,223 --> 01:07:08,692
that is the one that
everybody knows is a great one.
1568
01:07:08,725 --> 01:07:11,161
It's a little bit--
it's an eccentric episode.
1569
01:07:11,195 --> 01:07:14,931
I love also the two-parter.
1570
01:07:14,964 --> 01:07:17,767
The repurposing
of the original pilot
1571
01:07:17,801 --> 01:07:19,103
into "The Ca--"
1572
01:07:19,136 --> 01:07:21,071
What is it,
"The Cage: Part one and two"?
1573
01:07:21,105 --> 01:07:25,209
And that's brilliant--we refer
to these shows all the time
1574
01:07:25,242 --> 01:07:26,743
on "Breaking Bad"
in the writer's room.
1575
01:07:26,776 --> 01:07:28,745
We prefer to, you know,
Tranya.
1576
01:07:28,778 --> 01:07:31,981
We refer to Captain Pike
with his--with the light.
1577
01:07:32,015 --> 01:07:34,551
I mean, which, you know,
couldn't even think of
1578
01:07:34,584 --> 01:07:36,920
as being a little bit like
a Hector Salamanca
1579
01:07:36,953 --> 01:07:39,089
when he's in the wheelchair
and he's got the bell.
1580
01:07:39,123 --> 01:07:40,957
- I really loved
"Yesterday's Enterprise."
1581
01:07:40,990 --> 01:07:42,526
It was a spec script
that I had
1582
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:45,061
that had gone through
a couple of drafts already.
1583
01:07:45,095 --> 01:07:46,963
Then I took a pass at it
1584
01:07:46,996 --> 01:07:49,833
and reconceiving the story
and kinda making it
1585
01:07:49,866 --> 01:07:51,835
a much more darker universe
on the other side
1586
01:07:51,868 --> 01:07:54,238
and emphasizing
the war aspect of it.
1587
01:07:54,271 --> 01:07:55,805
And the tragedy of it.
1588
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:59,276
- My favorite is my favorite
because it's just brilliant.
1589
01:07:59,309 --> 01:08:02,179
Brilliant writing.
Brilliant directing.
1590
01:08:02,212 --> 01:08:03,747
Brilliant acting.
1591
01:08:03,780 --> 01:08:06,183
And it's called
"Far Beyond the Stars."
1592
01:08:06,216 --> 01:08:09,119
It's where all
the series regulars
1593
01:08:09,153 --> 01:08:11,087
appear as humans,
1594
01:08:11,121 --> 01:08:14,891
and the episode
has to deal with racism.
1595
01:08:14,924 --> 01:08:16,893
It's not just good "Star Trek."
1596
01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,163
It's not just
good science fiction.
1597
01:08:19,196 --> 01:08:20,530
It's great literature.
1598
01:08:22,899 --> 01:08:26,536
[Star Trek: The New Generation
theme music]
1599
01:08:26,570 --> 01:08:28,972
- Well, you know,
I think I'm the last
1600
01:08:29,005 --> 01:08:30,807
character Gene created.
1601
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:34,544
I think I'm the last one
that he actually created
1602
01:08:34,578 --> 01:08:36,813
based on Texas Guinan.
1603
01:08:36,846 --> 01:08:39,716
- Guinan her name was.
After Texas Guinan
1604
01:08:39,749 --> 01:08:41,618
who was a famous card player
and gambler,
1605
01:08:41,651 --> 01:08:44,321
or whatever she was.
1606
01:08:44,354 --> 01:08:48,425
And Whoopi showed up in the show
and brought in
1607
01:08:48,458 --> 01:08:52,296
this--this aura.
1608
01:08:52,329 --> 01:08:55,199
And the wild--
remember the shovelhead hats
1609
01:08:55,232 --> 01:08:57,734
she used to wear?
That beautiful face
1610
01:08:57,767 --> 01:08:59,969
with those big eyes
and that gorgeous skin
1611
01:09:00,003 --> 01:09:03,106
and the voice.
And she played it so straight.
1612
01:09:03,139 --> 01:09:05,242
- Guinan was great, again,
'cause Whoopi's playing it.
1613
01:09:05,275 --> 01:09:07,277
Guinan was a strange,
mysterioso character
1614
01:09:07,311 --> 01:09:08,578
that no--none of us
really understood
1615
01:09:08,612 --> 01:09:09,913
what the hell she was.
1616
01:09:09,946 --> 01:09:12,782
When we started really
getting into "Next Gen"
1617
01:09:12,816 --> 01:09:14,818
in the later years,
what we said was,
1618
01:09:14,851 --> 01:09:16,853
"It's really about
her relationship with Picard.
1619
01:09:16,886 --> 01:09:18,822
"Yes, she's the bartender
and, yes, she listens
1620
01:09:18,855 --> 01:09:21,525
"to all their problems
and gives insight to people
1621
01:09:21,558 --> 01:09:24,794
"for various issues,
but she has some back-story
1622
01:09:24,828 --> 01:09:27,297
"with Picard, and it's a
personal relationship with him
1623
01:09:27,331 --> 01:09:28,732
"that drives
that character forward.
1624
01:09:28,765 --> 01:09:30,400
"And it's the only reason
she's on the ship.
1625
01:09:30,434 --> 01:09:33,303
It's the only reason that she
really matters on the show."
1626
01:09:33,337 --> 01:09:36,306
- In my mind,
always believed that
1627
01:09:36,340 --> 01:09:39,142
Guinan was the
great-great-great-great-great-
1628
01:09:39,175 --> 01:09:40,977
great-great-great-great-great-
great-great-great-great-
1629
01:09:41,010 --> 01:09:43,613
great-great-great-great-great--
couple more greats
1630
01:09:43,647 --> 01:09:46,216
grandmother of Picard.
1631
01:09:46,250 --> 01:09:49,653
And the reason she's on the ship
is just to see how he's doing.
1632
01:09:49,686 --> 01:09:51,821
'Cause, you know, she can go
anywhere at any time,
1633
01:09:51,855 --> 01:09:54,491
and she just irritates
the hell outta Q.
1634
01:09:54,524 --> 01:09:57,261
Which made me very happy.
John is wonderful.
1635
01:09:57,294 --> 01:10:00,163
- You know him?
1636
01:10:00,196 --> 01:10:01,665
- We have had some
dealings.
1637
01:10:01,698 --> 01:10:04,734
- Those dealings
were two centuries ago.
1638
01:10:04,768 --> 01:10:07,471
This creature
is not what she appears to be.
1639
01:10:07,504 --> 01:10:09,639
She's an imp,
and where she goes
1640
01:10:09,673 --> 01:10:11,608
trouble always follows.
1641
01:10:11,641 --> 01:10:13,643
- You're speaking of yourself,
Q, not Guinan.
1642
01:10:13,677 --> 01:10:16,212
- Guinan?
Is that your name now?
1643
01:10:16,246 --> 01:10:18,482
- Guinan is not the issue here.
You are.
1644
01:10:18,515 --> 01:10:23,753
- I ended up doing six episodes
of "Next Generation."
1645
01:10:23,787 --> 01:10:25,489
- Anytime there was an episode
with Q in it,
1646
01:10:25,522 --> 01:10:29,326
I loved because whenever
he was in an episode,
1647
01:10:29,359 --> 01:10:31,361
he was, you know,
he was Agent Mayhem.
1648
01:10:31,395 --> 01:10:34,798
He was--it was going to be
something really intense,
1649
01:10:34,831 --> 01:10:36,833
and he was
seemingly unstoppable.
1650
01:10:36,866 --> 01:10:39,068
And so it was always
really fascinating to watch.
1651
01:10:39,102 --> 01:10:41,070
- Jonathan Frakes
used to say to me,
1652
01:10:41,104 --> 01:10:43,139
"You're the litmus test.
1653
01:10:43,172 --> 01:10:44,841
You come back once a year."
1654
01:10:44,874 --> 01:10:48,412
I always looked forward
to come back, but I never asked.
1655
01:10:48,445 --> 01:10:50,246
It's a little bit like
asking whether you're gonna
1656
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:52,382
be invited to somebody's
dinner party.
1657
01:10:52,416 --> 01:10:55,685
- The character of Q--
that omnipotent,
1658
01:10:55,719 --> 01:10:57,654
Machiavellian,
1659
01:10:57,687 --> 01:10:59,356
cunning, bitter,
1660
01:10:59,389 --> 01:11:01,725
nasty, mean-spirited,
1661
01:11:01,758 --> 01:11:03,927
controlling character--
1662
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:06,630
I can't even fathom
anybody else
1663
01:11:06,663 --> 01:11:08,865
doing as much with it.
1664
01:11:08,898 --> 01:11:11,335
Painting that canvas
as completely
1665
01:11:11,368 --> 01:11:15,705
as de Lancie did and does
with all his characters.
1666
01:11:15,739 --> 01:11:18,107
Have you any idea
how far we'll advance?
1667
01:11:18,141 --> 01:11:21,077
- Perhaps in a future
that you cannot yet conceive,
1668
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:23,079
even beyond us.
1669
01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:25,415
- The character on the page
is just not as entertaining.
1670
01:11:25,449 --> 01:11:26,750
You give it to John de Lancie,
1671
01:11:26,783 --> 01:11:28,618
and it becomes
this other thing, right?
1672
01:11:28,652 --> 01:11:30,487
And everyone enjoyed
writing for him.
1673
01:11:30,520 --> 01:11:32,756
It really--
people would just write
1674
01:11:32,789 --> 01:11:35,258
scene after scene after scene
for Q in any of those shows,
1675
01:11:35,291 --> 01:11:38,728
and many of them were too silly
or too over-the-top,
1676
01:11:38,762 --> 01:11:40,697
but you just really enjoyed it.
1677
01:11:40,730 --> 01:11:41,965
You really couldn't wait
to dig your--
1678
01:11:41,998 --> 01:11:43,833
dig into a Q episode.
1679
01:11:43,867 --> 01:11:45,835
Internally, what we said
all the time was,
1680
01:11:45,869 --> 01:11:47,170
"Q is in love with Picard."
1681
01:11:47,203 --> 01:11:48,938
That was the fundamental
of the relationship.
1682
01:11:48,972 --> 01:11:50,374
He's in love with him.
He just is.
1683
01:11:50,407 --> 01:11:51,775
He loves Picard.
1684
01:11:51,808 --> 01:11:54,578
It's a particular relationship
with this one human
1685
01:11:54,611 --> 01:11:56,580
and this omnipotent being
that's bizarre,
1686
01:11:56,613 --> 01:12:02,586
but that's really
what's at the heart of it.
1687
01:12:02,619 --> 01:12:04,688
- "Star Trek"
is so character-oriented,
1688
01:12:04,721 --> 01:12:06,856
and there were so many
great characters.
1689
01:12:06,890 --> 01:12:08,324
So many people got a chance
to shine.
1690
01:12:08,358 --> 01:12:09,859
But I think
that my favorite character
1691
01:12:09,893 --> 01:12:12,362
is "Mcskirk."
- "Mcskirk"?
1692
01:12:12,396 --> 01:12:13,397
- "Mcskirk."
1693
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:14,731
Which is McCoy,
Scotty, and Kirk.
1694
01:12:14,764 --> 01:12:16,232
- Oh--
- 'Cause they're really one guy.
1695
01:12:16,265 --> 01:12:18,234
- I was like, "What did I miss?"
[laughter]
1696
01:12:18,267 --> 01:12:19,569
Mcskirk?
- I didn't see that episode.
1697
01:12:19,603 --> 01:12:21,304
- It's a transporter
malfunction.
1698
01:12:21,337 --> 01:12:23,006
- You take that--
those three--
1699
01:12:23,039 --> 01:12:24,908
those three,
it's like one guy
1700
01:12:24,941 --> 01:12:26,309
split up three ways.
1701
01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:27,711
You know, ordinarily,
if you have one person,
1702
01:12:27,744 --> 01:12:29,212
if you want to know
what's going on in their head,
1703
01:12:29,245 --> 01:12:31,481
you gotta have a voice-over
or something.
1704
01:12:31,515 --> 01:12:34,050
But with those three guys,
split up that way,
1705
01:12:34,083 --> 01:12:35,652
they could have
a conversation...
1706
01:12:35,685 --> 01:12:36,920
- Yeah.
- And it's really like one guy.
1707
01:12:36,953 --> 01:12:39,288
- I love, love, love Scotty.
1708
01:12:39,322 --> 01:12:41,725
I-I think that he's--
1709
01:12:41,758 --> 01:12:44,360
A, he's always the funnier one
of everybody.
1710
01:12:44,394 --> 01:12:47,497
He's always--I love that he's
third in command of the ship.
1711
01:12:47,531 --> 01:12:49,966
- He saw himself
equal with the captain.
1712
01:12:49,999 --> 01:12:51,801
- Oh, and he was.
- The ship was his.
1713
01:12:51,835 --> 01:12:53,603
- He was the captain
of that engine room.
1714
01:12:53,637 --> 01:12:55,104
100%.
- [laughs]
1715
01:12:55,138 --> 01:12:57,674
- Scotty was great,
and I love how he got mad
1716
01:12:57,707 --> 01:13:00,009
and would yell at the captain
about the things he needed
1717
01:13:00,043 --> 01:13:01,310
and how he couldn't
really do it,
1718
01:13:01,344 --> 01:13:02,912
but really he could do it.
1719
01:13:02,946 --> 01:13:03,947
I just love it.
I just loved him.
1720
01:13:03,980 --> 01:13:05,214
As a kid I was just like,
1721
01:13:05,248 --> 01:13:06,750
"I don't know why
this guy's amazing,
1722
01:13:06,783 --> 01:13:08,852
but I want to be an engineer."
- I think that's a great answer.
1723
01:13:08,885 --> 01:13:11,020
- You know the techno-babble.
- Yeah.
1724
01:13:11,054 --> 01:13:12,756
- Which is so difficult...
- Yeah.
1725
01:13:12,789 --> 01:13:15,892
- For the actors
to do that stuff.
1726
01:13:15,925 --> 01:13:17,727
LeVar Burton, it didn't matter
how late it got.
1727
01:13:17,761 --> 01:13:19,195
- Oh, you kidding me?
- It could be 2:00
1728
01:13:19,228 --> 01:13:21,865
in the morning and he was just,
like, right on the money.
1729
01:13:21,898 --> 01:13:23,199
- He's--I--for some reason,
1730
01:13:23,232 --> 01:13:24,634
I can fix a warp core breach.
[laughter]
1731
01:13:24,668 --> 01:13:26,803
I know that I need to reroute
1732
01:13:26,836 --> 01:13:29,338
main power through
the secondary coupling
1733
01:13:29,372 --> 01:13:32,308
if there's a coolant leak.
[laughter]
1734
01:13:32,341 --> 01:13:33,943
Why do I know that?
1735
01:13:33,977 --> 01:13:35,745
Because of LeVar Burton.
- That's right.
1736
01:13:35,779 --> 01:13:37,481
- Uh, Worf.
- Worf!
1737
01:13:37,514 --> 01:13:38,715
- Yes.
- Really?
1738
01:13:38,748 --> 01:13:40,249
- Thank you.
- I just--for some reason I--
1739
01:13:40,283 --> 01:13:42,285
I mean, Data's the--
is really close,
1740
01:13:42,318 --> 01:13:44,454
but I just--something
about Worf I really like.
1741
01:13:44,488 --> 01:13:46,155
- What is it about him?
Is it the fact that he's
1742
01:13:46,189 --> 01:13:48,124
terrible at firing weapons?
- [laughs]
1743
01:13:48,157 --> 01:13:50,193
- [laughs]
- He misses everything.
1744
01:13:50,226 --> 01:13:52,395
- I don't know.
- The captain--Captain Picard
1745
01:13:52,428 --> 01:13:54,764
will never take
a suggestion of his.
1746
01:13:54,798 --> 01:13:56,666
- Does that make him
more human to you?
1747
01:13:56,700 --> 01:13:58,101
- Yeah, he was--
- Because
1748
01:13:58,134 --> 01:14:00,103
it's immigrant family
raised by Russians?
1749
01:14:00,136 --> 01:14:01,437
- He drinks prune juice.
1750
01:14:01,471 --> 01:14:03,272
Come on, now,
who doesn't--who does that?
1751
01:14:03,306 --> 01:14:04,874
And he's a big warrior, so...
- Yeah?
1752
01:14:04,908 --> 01:14:06,910
- But I think, you know--
I think partly 'cause he also
1753
01:14:06,943 --> 01:14:09,178
went--he transcends
the two series.
1754
01:14:09,212 --> 01:14:11,047
You know, "The Next Gen."
and "Deep Space Nine."
1755
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,016
- I gotta go with Kirk.
1756
01:14:13,049 --> 01:14:14,751
- You gotta go with Kirk.
- I mean, the original series.
1757
01:14:14,784 --> 01:14:16,553
You just--the way he just
kinda, you know,
1758
01:14:16,586 --> 01:14:18,021
sauntered around.
- Yes.
1759
01:14:18,054 --> 01:14:19,055
- You gotta love him.
1760
01:14:23,593 --> 01:14:26,062
- The Shat was the guy
I grew up on.
1761
01:14:26,095 --> 01:14:28,364
I admire Picard.
1762
01:14:28,397 --> 01:14:30,700
I love them all equally,
but...
1763
01:14:30,734 --> 01:14:33,402
uh...I think there is
no substitute
1764
01:14:33,436 --> 01:14:35,371
for Bill Shatner.
1765
01:14:35,404 --> 01:14:38,942
- Shatner's putting on
such a great persona
1766
01:14:38,975 --> 01:14:41,410
of a trustworthy captain
1767
01:14:41,444 --> 01:14:43,613
with just enough sense of humor.
1768
01:14:43,647 --> 01:14:46,249
You know?
And calm under pressure.
1769
01:14:46,282 --> 01:14:48,017
And good with the ladies.
1770
01:14:48,051 --> 01:14:49,653
Shatner had it all.
1771
01:14:49,686 --> 01:14:52,288
The way he presented that
character was just so awesome
1772
01:14:52,321 --> 01:14:54,591
and believable and theatrical
at the same time.
1773
01:14:54,624 --> 01:14:56,560
He's not a subtle guy.
1774
01:14:56,593 --> 01:14:58,862
But I just thought it was great.
1775
01:14:58,895 --> 01:15:00,597
He fought--
I think it was, like,
1776
01:15:00,630 --> 01:15:03,399
a Gorgan or whatever.
It's where he had--
1777
01:15:03,432 --> 01:15:05,769
Captain Kirk is stranded
in the desert
1778
01:15:05,802 --> 01:15:07,470
and he's got, like,
this lizard creature
1779
01:15:07,503 --> 01:15:09,138
he's gotta fight
and he's gotta learn
1780
01:15:09,172 --> 01:15:10,874
how to make, like, gunpowder
1781
01:15:10,907 --> 01:15:12,842
and projectiles
and stuff like that.
1782
01:15:12,876 --> 01:15:15,378
- Certainly the iconic,
classic scene
1783
01:15:15,411 --> 01:15:17,881
in which Spock--
or Kirk
1784
01:15:17,914 --> 01:15:19,849
confronts "God" and says,
1785
01:15:19,883 --> 01:15:22,151
"What does God
need with a starship?"
1786
01:15:22,185 --> 01:15:23,620
What other character
in the history of cinema
1787
01:15:23,653 --> 01:15:26,022
would come up to God?
Not even Charlton Heston
1788
01:15:26,055 --> 01:15:28,925
would say to God, "What do you
need with a starship?"
1789
01:15:28,958 --> 01:15:30,293
- Absolutely,
without question,
1790
01:15:30,326 --> 01:15:33,429
my favorite captain
is James T. Kirk.
1791
01:15:33,462 --> 01:15:36,365
I mean, he just--
Kirk did the right thing.
1792
01:15:36,399 --> 01:15:38,668
He said the right thing.
People looked up to him.
1793
01:15:38,702 --> 01:15:41,838
He was a man of action.
He was a man of romance.
1794
01:15:41,871 --> 01:15:45,775
And, like, I mean, as performed
by William Shatner?
1795
01:15:45,809 --> 01:15:47,711
I mean, there was a reason why
as a little kid
1796
01:15:47,744 --> 01:15:49,545
I wanted to be Captain Kirk.
1797
01:15:49,579 --> 01:15:53,583
There's a reason why as
an almost 50-year-old grown-up
1798
01:15:53,617 --> 01:15:55,484
that I still watch
the original series
1799
01:15:55,518 --> 01:15:57,687
and I still wanna be
James T. Kirk.
1800
01:15:57,721 --> 01:15:59,088
He is the best captain.
1801
01:16:01,791 --> 01:16:03,092
- The way he would
stare down
1802
01:16:03,126 --> 01:16:06,195
100-foot tall Apollo,
and with great...
1803
01:16:06,229 --> 01:16:08,497
sort of indignation:
1804
01:16:08,531 --> 01:16:11,067
"What gives you the right--"
you know,
1805
01:16:11,100 --> 01:16:15,138
to a 100-foot tall god...
[laughter]
1806
01:16:15,171 --> 01:16:17,473
he shouted,
"What gives you the right?"
1807
01:16:17,506 --> 01:16:19,643
When Apollo just could have...
[laughter]
1808
01:16:19,676 --> 01:16:21,544
done that.
1809
01:16:21,577 --> 01:16:24,848
Yeah, the sort of leadership
and the fearlessness
1810
01:16:24,881 --> 01:16:28,484
and also...my first
understanding
1811
01:16:28,517 --> 01:16:29,485
of what a...
1812
01:16:29,518 --> 01:16:30,987
you lead by example.
- Yeah.
1813
01:16:31,020 --> 01:16:32,488
- The captain's setting,
1814
01:16:32,521 --> 01:16:34,223
the fish stinks
from the head down,
1815
01:16:34,257 --> 01:16:36,793
all of those leadership
qualities
1816
01:16:36,826 --> 01:16:41,097
that hadn't been shown to me
by a family member
1817
01:16:41,130 --> 01:16:42,666
or by anyone at school,
a teacher.
1818
01:16:42,699 --> 01:16:47,704
Really, it oddly was
that leadership necessary
1819
01:16:47,737 --> 01:16:50,774
as put forth by
Captain James Tiberius Kirk.
1820
01:16:50,807 --> 01:16:53,209
- I mean, I love Captain Kirk.
However...
1821
01:16:53,242 --> 01:16:55,478
I have...[stammers]
you know, I have to say
1822
01:16:55,511 --> 01:16:57,714
that I think my favorite captain
is Picard...
1823
01:16:57,747 --> 01:16:59,482
- Uh-huh.
- Because the thing is
1824
01:16:59,515 --> 01:17:01,751
Kirk is really
only 1/3rd of a guy.
1825
01:17:01,785 --> 01:17:03,419
- Oh...
- He's only 1/3rd of a guy!
1826
01:17:03,452 --> 01:17:05,321
- Interesting.
- Picard is a nice,
1827
01:17:05,354 --> 01:17:06,723
well-rounded guy.
1828
01:17:06,756 --> 01:17:08,992
And he doesn't have to
punch anybody in the face
1829
01:17:09,025 --> 01:17:10,760
to get his point across,
right?
1830
01:17:10,794 --> 01:17:12,028
- But if he has to, he can.
- Well, he can,
1831
01:17:12,061 --> 01:17:14,097
but he usually has
Riker do it or Worf.
1832
01:17:14,130 --> 01:17:16,332
Yeah, he, uh...
1833
01:17:16,365 --> 01:17:18,301
You know, for me,
in a lot of ways,
1834
01:17:18,334 --> 01:17:20,904
"Next Generation" was a...
1835
01:17:20,937 --> 01:17:22,972
"Star Trek" kind of grown up.
- Yeah.
1836
01:17:23,006 --> 01:17:24,674
- You know? And that
started with Picard.
1837
01:17:24,708 --> 01:17:26,843
- Yeah. My answer's
actually Picard too.
1838
01:17:26,876 --> 01:17:28,812
Just because I find him
to be--
1839
01:17:28,845 --> 01:17:31,180
I don't think he's the most
realistic of a captain.
1840
01:17:31,214 --> 01:17:33,249
I think that Picard
has so few flaws,
1841
01:17:33,282 --> 01:17:35,151
and he only really
finally becomes human
1842
01:17:35,184 --> 01:17:37,420
after he's a Borg
and then turned into a human.
1843
01:17:37,453 --> 01:17:38,722
You know, he really
just starts like--
1844
01:17:38,755 --> 01:17:40,857
They give him a love story
once in a while...
1845
01:17:40,890 --> 01:17:42,325
But it just--I don't know.
1846
01:17:42,358 --> 01:17:45,028
I just love--
I found Picard to be virtuous
1847
01:17:45,061 --> 01:17:47,764
and I found Picard
to be like, oh...
1848
01:17:47,797 --> 01:17:51,768
if humans could one day
turn into that guy,
1849
01:17:51,801 --> 01:17:54,070
maybe "Star Trek's" plausible.
1850
01:17:54,103 --> 01:17:55,604
But it's not gonna happen.
1851
01:17:55,638 --> 01:17:57,073
- Yeah, he's a great
representation
1852
01:17:57,106 --> 01:17:58,641
of kind of Rodenberry's vision.
- Yeah, a vision of what
1853
01:17:58,674 --> 01:17:59,909
humanity can be.
- A captain needs to be.
1854
01:17:59,943 --> 01:18:01,711
- What a captain is.
- Exactly.
1855
01:18:01,745 --> 01:18:03,212
- Yeah. Just putting every--
1856
01:18:03,246 --> 01:18:05,081
He just--I don't know.
I just always...
1857
01:18:05,114 --> 01:18:06,850
And that accent.
I mean, you can't really...
1858
01:18:06,883 --> 01:18:12,355
- Well, the accent, yeah.
- Top that voice.
1859
01:18:12,388 --> 01:18:14,390
n - The show is about
what it is to be human,
1860
01:18:14,423 --> 01:18:16,325
and that never
goes out of style.
1861
01:18:16,359 --> 01:18:18,061
And it's the type of stories
that they tell
1862
01:18:18,094 --> 01:18:20,396
that you don't generally get
in other television shows.
1863
01:18:20,429 --> 01:18:22,365
- Yeah.
- The introspective...
1864
01:18:22,398 --> 01:18:24,700
And the basis of it is
who are we...
1865
01:18:24,734 --> 01:18:26,269
who are we
as human beings?
1866
01:18:26,302 --> 01:18:28,071
- I think it's because
1867
01:18:28,104 --> 01:18:30,173
it's an optimistic
view of the future.
1868
01:18:30,206 --> 01:18:31,875
- Hope.
- Yeah. It's hope.
1869
01:18:31,908 --> 01:18:33,409
- Yeah.
- I think that's exactly
1870
01:18:33,442 --> 01:18:35,111
what it is--
it's an optimistic portrayal
1871
01:18:35,144 --> 01:18:37,180
of what we could
hopefully achieve
1872
01:18:37,213 --> 01:18:39,883
and what our society
could be like
1873
01:18:39,916 --> 01:18:41,650
and that we finally
accept each other
1874
01:18:41,684 --> 01:18:44,387
and we finally learn
to look past differences
1875
01:18:44,420 --> 01:18:45,955
and things like that.
1876
01:18:45,989 --> 01:18:48,157
And I think that we so
desperately hope
1877
01:18:48,191 --> 01:18:50,259
that we can achieve that.
1878
01:18:50,293 --> 01:18:52,929
- And it evolves, you know,
from series to series,
1879
01:18:52,962 --> 01:18:54,397
over the 50 years.
1880
01:18:54,430 --> 01:18:56,499
It may have some core values
and ideas
1881
01:18:56,532 --> 01:18:58,301
and the optimism and the hope,
1882
01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:00,436
but it evolves
with the times, too.
1883
01:19:00,469 --> 01:19:04,440
So it, you know, it--
hopefully the next reiteration
1884
01:19:04,473 --> 01:19:07,710
will fit our times today
much like, you know,
1885
01:19:07,743 --> 01:19:09,745
"The Next Gen" did
in the late '80s, early '90s
1886
01:19:09,779 --> 01:19:11,881
or "Deep Space Nine"
and "Voyager" in the '90s,
1887
01:19:11,915 --> 01:19:14,250
and, of course, the original
series back in the '60s.
1888
01:19:14,283 --> 01:19:15,718
But it's been able to evolve.
1889
01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:17,420
It hasn't been
a static kind of franchise.
1890
01:19:20,389 --> 01:19:21,190
- There's that
Martin Luther King line...
1891
01:19:23,359 --> 01:19:26,462
"The arc of history
bends toward justice."
1892
01:19:26,495 --> 01:19:28,097
I think for fans
of this show,
1893
01:19:28,131 --> 01:19:30,233
the arc of history
bends towards "Star Trek,"
1894
01:19:30,266 --> 01:19:32,668
that we have this hope,
this belief,
1895
01:19:32,701 --> 01:19:35,704
that...things
are getting better.
1896
01:19:35,738 --> 01:19:38,141
And that, yeah, we're probably
not gonna, you know,
1897
01:19:38,174 --> 01:19:40,276
run into guys
with pointed ears out there.
1898
01:19:40,309 --> 01:19:43,279
But we will find a way
1899
01:19:43,312 --> 01:19:45,748
to fix our problems
1900
01:19:45,781 --> 01:19:48,384
and move out into the universe
1901
01:19:48,417 --> 01:19:50,553
and believe in, you know,
the...
1902
01:19:50,586 --> 01:19:53,022
you know, the better angels
of our nature
1903
01:19:53,056 --> 01:19:55,925
and...and make the world
a better place.
1904
01:19:55,959 --> 01:19:59,295
- One thing about "Star Trek"
that I've said before
1905
01:19:59,328 --> 01:20:01,030
and I really believe it
1906
01:20:01,064 --> 01:20:05,601
is it was the Beatles
of 1960s TV.
1907
01:20:05,634 --> 01:20:07,703
And if you had to describe
the Beatles,
1908
01:20:07,736 --> 01:20:09,272
you would say it's magic.
1909
01:20:09,305 --> 01:20:11,407
And take any one of them
out of that band,
1910
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:13,276
and it's not the Beatles.
1911
01:20:13,309 --> 01:20:15,544
Well, "Star Trek's"
the same way
1912
01:20:15,578 --> 01:20:16,913
from the same period.
1913
01:20:16,946 --> 01:20:19,182
I mean,
take William Shatner out.
1914
01:20:19,215 --> 01:20:20,683
Take Leonard Nimoy out.
1915
01:20:20,716 --> 01:20:23,052
Take Rodenberry or Coon
or Fontana out
1916
01:20:23,086 --> 01:20:25,721
or Deforest Kelley,
and you don't have it.
1917
01:20:25,754 --> 01:20:27,356
It's still gonna be good,
1918
01:20:27,390 --> 01:20:29,725
but it's not gonna be
what it is,
1919
01:20:29,758 --> 01:20:32,896
and we wouldn't have
what we have now 15 years later.
1920
01:20:32,929 --> 01:20:35,364
- I think there's a lot of
reasons why it endures so long.
1921
01:20:35,398 --> 01:20:38,267
You know, I think, um...
1922
01:20:38,301 --> 01:20:39,802
I think the biggest thing
to me,
1923
01:20:39,835 --> 01:20:41,938
in terms of its longevity
and success,
1924
01:20:41,971 --> 01:20:46,309
is that it is unique in that
its portrayal of the future,
1925
01:20:46,342 --> 01:20:48,844
the optimistic portrayal
of the future,
1926
01:20:48,878 --> 01:20:51,247
does kind of stand alone
in pop culture.
1927
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,182
The vast majority
of science fiction pieces
1928
01:20:53,216 --> 01:20:54,850
that take place in the future,
you know,
1929
01:20:54,884 --> 01:20:57,786
show us a dystopian future,
a terrible future.
1930
01:20:57,820 --> 01:21:00,656
Here's the only real
science fiction construct
1931
01:21:00,689 --> 01:21:02,691
that I wanna go live in,
you know,
1932
01:21:02,725 --> 01:21:04,127
that I want to be part of.
1933
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:07,363
I want to join that crew.
I want to live that life.
1934
01:21:07,396 --> 01:21:09,966
I want to have those adventures
with those people.
1935
01:21:09,999 --> 01:21:13,702
- "Star Trek" has something to
say about who we are as people,
1936
01:21:13,736 --> 01:21:15,871
who we aspire to be,
1937
01:21:15,905 --> 01:21:19,475
and it says that
we will endure.
1938
01:21:19,508 --> 01:21:21,510
We will overcome
all obstacles.
1939
01:21:21,544 --> 01:21:23,546
- I think "Star Trek"
will be around
1940
01:21:23,579 --> 01:21:25,548
for a long, long time
1941
01:21:25,581 --> 01:21:28,284
because it's a unique
piece of science fiction
1942
01:21:28,317 --> 01:21:31,087
in that it's optimistic.
1943
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:32,355
"Star Trek" is optimistic.
1944
01:21:32,388 --> 01:21:34,357
It holds out the hope
1945
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:37,860
not that humans are gonna be
somehow perfect in the future
1946
01:21:37,893 --> 01:21:39,362
but things can get better.
1947
01:21:39,395 --> 01:21:41,064
- I think "Star Trek" succeeded
1948
01:21:41,097 --> 01:21:44,033
because a number of elements
fell into place.
1949
01:21:44,067 --> 01:21:47,136
They had a great overall story.
1950
01:21:47,170 --> 01:21:51,740
They're modern-day pioneers
where no man has gone before.
1951
01:21:51,774 --> 01:21:53,709
So it could be the Wild West.
1952
01:21:53,742 --> 01:21:57,313
It's the Wild West in space,
really, led by a great captain
1953
01:21:57,346 --> 01:21:59,182
and an incredible team.
1954
01:21:59,215 --> 01:22:02,085
- And I think it's gone on
for 50 years so far
1955
01:22:02,118 --> 01:22:06,189
because it is a show about
human interest
1956
01:22:06,222 --> 01:22:09,658
and adventure
and how far we will go
1957
01:22:09,692 --> 01:22:13,396
to try to learn more
and to expand our own worlds
1958
01:22:13,429 --> 01:22:14,763
and our own minds.
1959
01:22:14,797 --> 01:22:16,699
And I think that's something
that resonates
1960
01:22:16,732 --> 01:22:18,234
with people 50 years ago,
1961
01:22:18,267 --> 01:22:20,903
and it'll resonate with people
50 years from now.
1962
01:22:20,936 --> 01:22:25,274
- And now, of course, J.J. has
taken it to a whole other place.
1963
01:22:25,308 --> 01:22:27,343
- Why "Star Trek"
is still relevant
1964
01:22:27,376 --> 01:22:30,613
is because of the paradigm that
Gene Rodenberry came up with,
1965
01:22:30,646 --> 01:22:33,216
the idea of unity,
of humanity--
1966
01:22:33,249 --> 01:22:36,519
and other species, actually--
working together.
1967
01:22:36,552 --> 01:22:38,254
There's an optimism to it
1968
01:22:38,287 --> 01:22:40,656
that I think we've never needed
more than now.
1969
01:22:40,689 --> 01:22:43,092
- Well, it starts with
the characters, you know.
1970
01:22:43,126 --> 01:22:44,593
I love the ensemble.
1971
01:22:44,627 --> 01:22:46,062
I love the idea that, you know,
1972
01:22:46,095 --> 01:22:47,463
this group of people
came together
1973
01:22:47,496 --> 01:22:50,333
and through the shared journey,
they become a family.
1974
01:22:50,366 --> 01:22:52,601
The sense of family
that goes beyond blood.
1975
01:22:52,635 --> 01:22:55,538
And I also love every night
there's a sense of discovery
1976
01:22:55,571 --> 01:22:57,140
and exploration, you know,
1977
01:22:57,173 --> 01:22:59,608
and that, to me, is the DNA
of "Star Trek."
1978
01:22:59,642 --> 01:23:02,011
- You know, I think
"Star Trek's" enduring appeal
1979
01:23:02,045 --> 01:23:05,081
is really because it presents
a vision of humanity
1980
01:23:05,114 --> 01:23:08,051
that is united and, particularly
in this day and age,
1981
01:23:08,084 --> 01:23:10,619
it's wonderful to have
kind of a beacon of morality
1982
01:23:10,653 --> 01:23:14,090
to see that, you know,
maybe the dystopian future
1983
01:23:14,123 --> 01:23:16,792
that you see in a lot of movies
like the "Mad Max" movies
1984
01:23:16,825 --> 01:23:19,528
and the "Blade Runner" movies
is not gonna be our future.
1985
01:23:19,562 --> 01:23:21,097
- Collectivism versus
separatism,
1986
01:23:21,130 --> 01:23:23,532
which is a big thing
in today's society, you know.
1987
01:23:23,566 --> 01:23:25,668
About how we're better
together.
1988
01:23:25,701 --> 01:23:27,803
And that was something
that we felt obligated to do.
1989
01:23:27,836 --> 01:23:29,138
This is "Star Trek."
1990
01:23:29,172 --> 01:23:31,040
"Star Trek" has always spoken
about who we are now.
1991
01:23:31,074 --> 01:23:33,809
- And now it's, I guess,
coming back on another network.
1992
01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:36,479
You know I'ma try to get on
there, you know, just to see.
1993
01:23:36,512 --> 01:23:40,649
Because I try--You know, Guinan
is everywhere all the time.
1994
01:23:40,683 --> 01:23:43,619
- A majority of the "Star Trek"
fans that I've met
1995
01:23:43,652 --> 01:23:45,254
are proactive
1996
01:23:45,288 --> 01:23:48,757
in making that vision of
a better future a reality.
1997
01:23:48,791 --> 01:23:52,027
- The "Star Trek" fans
are the most unique people
1998
01:23:52,061 --> 01:23:53,629
you've ever met.
1999
01:23:53,662 --> 01:23:56,199
They know your character.
2000
01:23:56,232 --> 01:24:00,069
They know every episode
and what it meant
2001
01:24:00,103 --> 01:24:02,105
and how it affected them.
2002
01:24:02,138 --> 01:24:04,006
- If I were given the choice
2003
01:24:04,039 --> 01:24:07,576
of any character ever portrayed
on television--
2004
01:24:07,610 --> 01:24:08,977
that I could play
any character I wanted--
2005
01:24:09,011 --> 01:24:10,579
I would choose Spock.
2006
01:24:10,613 --> 01:24:12,848
- Well, people identified
with us.
2007
01:24:12,881 --> 01:24:16,051
They identified with
"Star Trek,"
2008
01:24:16,085 --> 01:24:19,021
they identified
with the characters.
2009
01:24:19,054 --> 01:24:21,524
They were dressing
in their own uniforms
2010
01:24:21,557 --> 01:24:23,092
and their own costumes.
2011
01:24:23,126 --> 01:24:25,961
- It resonated with
that group of people
2012
01:24:25,994 --> 01:24:27,930
that were kids, you know,
2013
01:24:27,963 --> 01:24:30,266
and now they're young adults.
2014
01:24:30,299 --> 01:24:32,335
- "Star Trek"
created an umbrella
2015
01:24:32,368 --> 01:24:35,003
for everybody else.
2016
01:24:35,037 --> 01:24:38,407
And then once we got in
under the shade,
2017
01:24:38,441 --> 01:24:41,277
we then said, "Oh, come.
Come and join us."
2018
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:44,180
That's what "Star Trek" did.
2019
01:24:44,213 --> 01:24:47,350
And that tent
will continue to grow.
2020
01:24:47,383 --> 01:24:49,118
- And it's now 30 years later
for our show,
2021
01:24:49,152 --> 01:24:50,519
when I'm talking to you,
2022
01:24:50,553 --> 01:24:54,190
50 years for the original show,
and, I mean,
2023
01:24:54,223 --> 01:24:57,360
it goes in waves,
but people are still
2024
01:24:57,393 --> 01:24:59,995
attached to, committed to,
2025
01:25:00,028 --> 01:25:02,831
affected by, interested in
2026
01:25:02,865 --> 01:25:04,967
this thing that Gene invented,
2027
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,035
and I was blessed enough
to be part of.
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