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thanks a lot for coming out we're

forgotty from Washington DC

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I promise if you don't see anything to

people

place your thing on you

they say Who You Are

but then would you try to like stare at

all then you start to feel like you're

being well at least it propaganda of

course like an issue of

creating a false

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you're trying to steer people yeah

you're manipulating it

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hello and welcome to personal profiles

my name is Jamie Valdez and I will be

your host for today for this show we

have two very talented guests Ian Makai

and gee pichoto from fugazi the music

group residing in Washington DC thank

you for joining us thanks for having us

what does fugazi mean and how did you

choose it it's a slang word that I found

in a book about Vietnam which means sort

of a messed up situation in sort of

simple terms and I just thought it was

kind of a quite beautiful word actually

and left sort of open to interpretation

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have you guys been together

we did our first show in uh September of

87 and

and he was actually not with us then he

was in the audience and he was doing

vacuum bubbles by the next show and sort

of off stage

I got together he and called me up one

day and I never really thought about it

you know

playing with Ian you know I had seen

Minor Threat and everything but I never

never really occurred to me I I was just

really glad somebody serious about music

was approaching me when he mentioned you

know kind of things he liked and like

this this family obsessed that it's from

the DC area he also liked you know James

Brown and mt5

reggae and whatever

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for me like punk music or whatever is

always about you know undercutting

people's expectations and throwing in

like a spin on the works or whatever and

for me I mean I want this band to be I

mean if this is unsettling people I'm

ready to really unsettle people because

I'm ready to you know I want to the

sound to always be moving and to be like

anything starts getting static I start

getting uncomfortable because I feel

like like what happened with hardcore

whatever is that things get so

ritualized they become they're no longer

powerful they lose their power they're

not dangerous anymore they don't they

don't excite people they don't move

people anymore they just become some

kind of a traditional thing which people

can just you know slip on the clothes

and slip on an attitude but for me it's

like it's a life thing man and if it's

going to be a life thing for me it has

to always constantly be moving forward

and like have some kind of a time thing

Dimension to it

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it's not only just for the audience's

sake that that we try to like talk with

him and confirm it it's for our sake we

don't want to feel like we're just

playing to a bunch of you know like

heads you know like okay there's some

heads and some bodies out there you know

and let's play and go home you know we

want because it's not worthwhile to me

to be playing just the heads and bodies

because heads and bodies represent just

consumers and I don't have nothing to do

with that if they're there to be no I

want to go play the people and those

people are there with me and not like

and that way if we can get into a thing

where we respect each other as human

beings and the chances are that you know

we're going to be taking care of each

other in a little better since and then

we can take it out in the streets from

there you know but that's but if it's

just a thing where they come and play

their pay their money and there we are

up there and we're out here that was a

good show let's go home don't make no

difference you know that's [ __ ] hand

them up come on out of the front let's

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something

a lot of the way the band works now is

kind of based on what we learned in the

hardcore scene of the early 80s that was

a time when like kids were taking

control of their own Affairs in terms of

forming their own bands setting up

touring networks across the country

starting their own record labels putting

out their own fanzines it was it was

basically kids creating a whole

underground without the interest or

blessing of the music industry and it

was motivated without any hope for

profit it was really just fueled by

their own energy

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I have a lot of contempt for the record

industry and I don't particularly want

to be a part of it any more than I have

to

um the fact that that we start our own

label is uh

is proof of that you know we don't want

to be a part of something you do it

yourself so we did to exist

uh independent of the mainstream is a

political

political feat in my opinion

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political messages do you want for your

audience to hear

it's true that we dress like political

subjects or whatever in our lyrics but I

think that um

for about 30 years you've had so-called

protest music and not a lot has changed

so I think we recognize the fact that if

a band's going to act politically that

it has to be more in line with what they

actually do as a band as opposed to what

they say they do so in terms of our

politics I think if you look at the kind

of uh like in the Washington area we

don't exclusively play benefit concerts

and if you look at the uh

causes that we've we lend our support to

in the Washington area you can probably

get an idea of the politics of the band

I mean we've done a lot of concerts

supporting the Washington Free Clinic

the Whitman Walker age Clinic

um

protest against Operation Desert Storm

which we brought a video of and stuff

like that so I understand that you do

have a clip for us today we're gonna go

watch the clip now

I don't know if the U.S Park police are

filming us for our new MTV special I

guess

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a formula for Independence according to

the band fugazi first own your own

record label avoid greed charge only

eight dollars for CDs and five dollars

at the door book your own shows and do

not sell merchandise that's right no

t-shirts and do not make music videos

result fugazi outsells and outdraws many

major label bands and they get respect

according to fugazi never mind what

you're buying it's what you're selling

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this is Ian

because it seems like people always

focus on your ethical stance more than

they do the music if you ask me like

what is

about being abandoned

nature of music business is to make

money which is fine because a lot of

people that's what that's our art their

artists making money or hyping things or

that's what they do for a living and

they're really good at it and it's

almost even respectable in a way of how

good they are at it if they can suddenly

create something and immediately make a

million people buy it that's pretty

amazing you know

um but that's nothing to do with us

that's just a different thing altogether

again our concern is to be a band and to

play and then we realize if we played

that people want to come see us so we

try to engineer it so people can see us

in a way that everyone's comfortable and

mostly primarily that we're comfortable

with

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one of the things about the way the band

Works live is that we always improvise

the sets we never use a set list so it's

never scripted so like at any moment

everyone in the band has to be ready to

go into any one of the 70 or 80 songs

that we've written over the years

it's really important that you almost

enter kind of a group mind or something

so that you're able to pick up on cues

from each other which could be like a

body motion or a move on a guitar or

just eye contact and from that you have

to know where to go what parts to extend

how to segue into the next song what the

next song is going to be

on nights where it doesn't work it can

really be a disaster but on nights where

it's really click and it's almost like

we're reading each other's minds and it

just flows

all right

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my sister said that she met somebody who

um

who

she'd been hanging out with in

finally he discovered that uh that I was

her brother and she said he's like she

he thought that we lived in it all have

been together in a group house without

any heat like we did immediately like is

it true that they don't use Heat

they're like you like that kind of thing

problem is you don't say anything to

people

place your thing on you

they say Who You Are

but then if you try to like stare at all

then you start to feel like you're being

uh well at least it propaganda of course

like an issue of

creating a false

premeditated

you're trying to steer people yeah

you're manipulating it

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we're just a bunch of monks eating rice

with no heat

here we are living here

so we didn't eat the rice possible that

we are everything we are

at some point I don't know I mean the

work kind of helps to speak for itself

it's like

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when I first listened to it after not

hearing for a while and Joe's part comes

up you know the second half of that

comes up yeah it's not as substantial as

it should be but I don't know if that

because I all of a sudden everybody

splits away from doing like when during

the C part service hitting C is whenever

they splits apart that sounds more like

like uh

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give me your intentions for a minute

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I'm gonna get so carried away with the

blue balloon that we can get for

attention

slogan America is just a word but I use

it could you please elaborate

um

it's a song that's a song about

um it's a complicated song but that line

is about how uh words and your language

you use sort of ultimately locks you

into a certain uh place you don't have

much Freedom outside of that particular

language and America

and in essence is just it's just an idea

I mean it's just it's just a word and

what it actually means it's left each

person to sort of figure out for

themselves

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little trinket for sale and one of them

was this sort of

monkey carved out of a coconut have you

ever seen these things before

well Brendan bought one and ever since

then we've been having a terrible

terrible luck shows have been canceled

people been getting sick things have

been breaking today we came in here and

only half the PA came in so we smashed

that damn monkey

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we smashed the monkey

I'm from here on out

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ladies and gentlemen from here on out

have a nice time

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what room are we in man

white block work

beating Evans and song tag on

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don't [ __ ] kick people and don't

punch people I'm talking to you right

there all right I'm talking to you and

you if you want to [ __ ] do that [ __ ]

get the [ __ ] up on the football field

all right

I'm talking to you yeah I'm talking to

you yeah that's right

no I don't it sucks to have to tell

people to behave themselves but there's

other people here too all right so try

to be a little more kind

yeah

you know I saw you two guys earlier at

the Good Humor truck and you were eating

your ice cream like little boys and I

thought those guys aren't so tough

they're eating ice cream what a bunch of

swell guys I saw you eating ice cream

pal oh don't you deny it you're eating

an ice cream cone

you were eating an ice cream cone oh

you're bad now you're bad now but you're

eating an ice cream cone and I saw you

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that's the [ __ ] you can't hide you know

you got your [ __ ] [ __ ] but you eat

ice cream everybody knows it the whole

[ __ ] place knows it ice cream eating

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straight down and you'd have to stand

about here to take a shower

to proper piece of Dial soap

between this little handy little uh

[ __ ] nobule here

and the spout so that it shoots more

outward

the more it's more able now too

wet a tall man's body

solid pH the guy that ran the joint

freak

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miss the way you guys approach songs how

the guitars

and drop completely

come in yeah

swinging a body over a cliff you know

why you're right over the clip so slow

down a little bit just to create the

excitement and yank it back in I'm a

failure

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take it back

you know I did I doubled it right the

first time I do the really quiet guitar

I'm spot on the second one's a little

off I don't I have no problem either way

but I just want to make sure you do them

it's a little heavier like

it creates this really Woody sound man

it sounds like a [ __ ] classical

instrument it's really cool

actually this is

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with live shows the uh communication

lines are very distinct and then you've

got an audience there like a

reciprocating energy that you can feed

off of and

it's not something you have in the

studio in the studio it's much more

sterile much more laboratory like

conditions and you're trying to almost

hypnotize yourself find some way to like

approximate that rebounding energy

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here we go go ahead it was into

something that's supposed to be quiet

and a loud part supposed to come in but

actually it just

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in the toggle stuff it's not on on the

other on the other times I've done it or

either with the other guitar or whatever

you can you hear a pure like this time

it just fudged entirely

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evidence against accused Unabomber

suspect Theodore Kaczynski has

reportedly been discovered at his remote

Montana cabin

okay you're the Danny K of hip-hop

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the money

the Buddy Epson at the cocktail Nation

the George Burns of trans

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and the Georgia Birds is good the book's

a man who scored 200 years old you know

he missed his 99th birthday the best dad

he couldn't make it but he's gonna have

a big blowout next year I hope he

[ __ ] Crooks a couple of people I

should take him out that'd be like a

really deep

actual footage she's plotting The Death

of George Burns one of the most loved

entertainers of four generations

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minutes before his 100th birthday she

was I was just yeah at the Las Vegas

George Burns

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stop hey

speeding up

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I could just not I could not play on

them versus and just play on that

home courses you know

see

it's the kind of thing where they could

drop it

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you're so stoked you don't even have all

the pressure's off you man

I'm happy we're I'm happy I am happy to

have that off my shoulders here you are

we we may erase

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people always say like well you should

have an explanation you know you should

have explanation about your songs

explain your songs like the lyrics are

printed you know what more do you need

you know that's done stage yeah the

story is like yeah we present this story

on stage when we play it's still like

the challenge is there you know can we

like throw down

can we return the favor because so many

bands have blown our minds over the

years can we can we return that favor to

people out there and that that's still

something that feels very straight up to

me it just seems like it's like I don't

know oh yeah

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well what do you want to see

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I don't believe God

requesting out loud it's not important

that everyone in that country [ __ ]

hears what we do I mean it's more

important than what we do exists within

a context that that we control and that

is people are invited to participate in

but not forced to participate and not

forced to have people mouthing off every

goddamn 10 minutes about like you know

you know what trauma it is to be a star

or or how incredibly great our new

record is or what the lyrics All exactly

mean

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I don't just make normal granola bars

anymore

there you go

fugazi has probably played eight or nine

hundred shows now and that includes 35

different countries and every state in

the United States some of those five or

six times

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you can tell it down

again good job good job

you can you can film me all night

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such a busy day

today

have no excuse

me look at her like the troubled tea

when it cannot rest whose water is cast

of mire and dirt

I'm gonna leave it on and they were both

naked and they were not ashamed

all right Mom

but I think you're making a huge mistake

one that you will regret the rest of

your life

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though I didn't even know him

I will never gonna be interested

surrender

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something happened around the early

1990s company the industry saw

a market in agitated guitar music or

punk rock or whatever you want to call

it an enormous amount of money and

attention kind of descended on the scene

it's a lot harder I think now for

people to be able to avoid that kind of

cultural carpeting or whatever it's hard

to see things without having seen them

Through The Eyes of that industry and

that really affects people's response to

it I think

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show every [ __ ] time and ask you guys

to stop so

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we've never seen anything like that

crazy crazy dancing

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actually it's just boring as [ __ ] so

come on let's ever have a nice time

everybody please

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sir I am a human being and I'm ready for

an apology I'm not appreciate being spit

on me by people you understand me

do you apologize do you apologize do you

apologize

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that's how it goes in this is the answer

you got a bass drum and uh

terrible thing is never being able to

stand up straight

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if you want to go to Alaska

the tickets are 550 each

that's four grand who's paying for it

though huh we are right two degrees we

are period

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you no longer sitting at home waiting

for moments to come to you

you're out and you're going to the

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Osaka Kyoto Nagoya Tokyo Perth Adelaide

Melbourne Canberra Wollongong Lismore

Byron Bay Sydney Tasmania Hobart Christ

Church Dunedin

Hawaii

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May 3rd Amsterdam May 4th Eindhoven May

5th London May 6th Brighton May 7th

Manchester May 8th Glasgow May 9th

Belfast May 10th Dublin May 11th Dublin

May 12th Nottingham May 13th Monday

14.

May 21st and 22nd parrots May 23rd

parrot May 24th Poitier May 25th Angier

May 28th Oviedo May 29th Felicia May

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come back

okay I mean do you think that band is

real different from other bands

well I mean what do they mean to you

what do they mean to me oh they don't

mean anything they're just music it's

something I like to listen to

because they have such a tight press

type thing you know selective

interviewing things like that

you don't get to know them as much

through uh

interviews or whatnot so you got to take

them to face value of their music

yes I don't know it's just what all I

can do just listen to dance that's the

only reason why I love coming in concert

just because every other band every

especially punk bands they're mostly

like so violent that

it's going to turn on itself because

he's not like that at all

um I think Red Medicine sucked because

it was just a vast departure from their

earlier albums do you read their lyrics

or of course yes we know their lyrics we

fell in love

analyzing the lyrics to margin Walker

okay that is how our relationship began

we're married for a year and uh for five

years yeah so when we started dating it

was it was Gaza and we sat in my room

and we analyzed like Margie Walker we

talked about touch your hands while it

died I just really haven't I mean I've

heard like a few of their songs you know

it's just not a band that I'm really

into I just don't I don't have any of

their albums you know like what I've

heard I like you know obviously I

wouldn't be you know I wouldn't pay for

a band that I got sucked but it's just

not something I'm really into I can't

believe

well I heard about fugazi on NPR about a

year and a half ago and I liked it and

thought the rest of the family would

like it and heard they were coming and

thought we could like the old stuff

better than the news you like the old

stuff about the new stuff how come

it just sounds better older stuff is so

much more Punk how about that Buckaroo

is that your name Buckaroo yeah tell me

what does Punk mean Funk means just

[ __ ] going out don't give a [ __ ]

about nothing and just having fun

playing good music man I thought it was

to it well is that is that a good

description of what fugazi's lyrics are

all about gazi is all about I mean Ian

McKay you know Black Flag Minor Threat

for Ghazi you can't [ __ ] with the

[ __ ] like that inspired me no I

don't think they inspired me not

politically or anything but musically

I find them inspiration

what I saw today you know I thought it

was good

a t-shirt

you know I don't really know my mom

bought it for me so uh basically song

I've heard Bob is a waiting room the

music really inspired me to sort of be

like more honest and more like intense

about how I feel about things it's just

more mainstream more like let's see who

how many people will buy her album

because we're going to conform to what

they want see I believe that that's

[ __ ] because they pretty much stay

the same except for their music a lot

faster yeah dude they still sound the

same their music just got faster they

never went because they did not go

mainstream that's [ __ ] it's more

amazing

[ __ ] it's only mainstream now

because more people listen to us they

put on the goddamn radio they never

change their music they go faster now

than they used to but that doesn't mean

they that's just [ __ ] I just think

he's like full of it

I think he thinks that he's like some

big rock star and stuff I think

I think two things his way and stuff and

not to sell out it's a big business and

the corruption that goes along with it I

know that's good it's free and I live

right over there so like you know I

could sit at home and do nothing or I

could come out here and I like it a lot

um it's got a lot of energy but it's not

it's like kind of controlled energy you

know what I mean it's nice yeah it's

real tight I like it I think I used to

like them but

I think they suck now just

I hate that they say no dancing blah

blah blah that [ __ ] PC [ __ ]

I hate that [ __ ] I mean it is Hardcore

or

I guess that's what they were at first

at the top that's what it was and you

dance at hardcore shows and you [ __ ]

have fun

go off and [ __ ] but they ain't gonna say

you can't do that [ __ ] the [ __ ] what the

hell is they're there to entertain me

provide me entertainment

so why are they gonna get up on stage

unless they want me to have a good time

they've definitely inspired me to like

start playing the guitar and just trying

to start bands tonight's benefit happens

to be for Emmaus services for the Aging

which is a small neighborhood

organization that works with isolated

low-income elderly here in the inner

city we're not about Show Business

they're not about money you know about

hype they're about music and ideas

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sure man

hey

yes

I'm saying the problem was it was like

there was like Bevy of promoters like

Joanne was like one contact they James

it's like his business and then his

partner is his one with the brown hair

who I never met then it was

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it was and so like James was going like

well I feel really bad yeah you did tell

me I I you know you're right you did

tell me

there's so much [ __ ] damage

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thank you

thank you spinach thank you unrest

thank you everybody who come out if you

want to work on the show do you offer me

cool

peace

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thank you

the thing is it's

like this thing it's a it's like a a

moment it's like it's like a full

release and I I mean I can't

for for me

um playing

performing or playing is

is as close to I've ever taught to as

close to being free as I've ever felt in

my life it is by far the most

um

extreme

like kind of feeling I've ever had and

Incredibly satisfying

and addictive and you can't stop doing

it

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