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For the last couple of years
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I've gotten very busy on the off season.
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Mainly, because early in my career...
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I had those rough years in Buffalo.
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I sort of told myself then
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I would, uh, put my energies
in something that was gonna
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sustain me and last.
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I knew then that I would
have trouble adjusting
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to not being a football player.
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So, I said,
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"Hey, I better start
preparing myself for... for...
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for, you know... now.
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I wanna tell you that over the years
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I've heard your applause,
and I appreciated your cheers.
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And I want you to know
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that I already know it's
what I'm gonna miss most.
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Thank you all, very much.
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Growing up in Brentwood was
really a wonderful experience.
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It's very quiet.
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It's very affluent.
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Very safe.
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Very white.
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Burglaries were very rare.
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Violent crime almost nonexistent.
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You could leave your door unlocked.
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Never have to worry about anything.
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I graduated the academy in 1975.
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And then transferred to West L.A. 1978-79.
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West L.A., the whole division,
Bel Air, Brentwood, all...
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it's loaded with stars.
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And I'd sit back and go,
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"Man, am I really getting
paid for doing this?"
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When I first got there,
O.J. had just moved
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from around Mulholland over to Rockingham.
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O.J. Simpson living in
Brentwood was really an anomaly.
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He'd be one of maybe three black people
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in the entire community.
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Los Angeles is unlike other places.
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If you're a celebrity, you have no color.
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People enjoy having you
in their neighborhood.
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Especially if you're a celebrity like O.J.
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where everyone's husband
worshipped him as a sports hero
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and couldn't wait to shake hands.
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Once I found out he was
living on Rockingham,
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I decided I'd go by there,
you know, and let him know...
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"Hey, you know? O.J., I'm here."
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This is where I work.
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O.J. was great.
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He'd always referred to the
LAPD as "the boys." You know?
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"How's crime today?"
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"Hey, Shipp, what's
going on in my area, man?"
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"Is you keeping the peace?"
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You know, stuff like that?
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And I'd be like, "Hey,
man, everything's good."
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70-80 percent of the people
in the city of Los Angeles,
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were thinking LAPD does a great
job, we don't have crime here.
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They thought out in the
Valley or West Los Angeles,
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"Hey, man, they're great."
They smile. They wave.
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They're always around when you need them.
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Well, that wasn't how other parts
of the city were being treated.
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On January 3rd, 1979,
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two members of the Los
Angeles Police Department
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shot and killed Eulia Love at her home,
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in a dispute over $22.09 utility bill.
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She died on her front lawn
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before the eyes of her own children.
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There is no single event that
had a more profound impact
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in LAPD history up to that point and time
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than the shooting of Eulia May Love.
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This is where Mrs. Eulia Love stood
the day the shooting took place.
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There was an officer
here, an officer there.
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She held a knife in her
hand, there was a scuffle,
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the knife was knocked out of her hand,
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she reached for it, and as she threw it,
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the officers opened fire.
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This was a big deal.
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This is a woman who's had a tough time.
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And she was desperate.
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So, there was a lot of
empathy going out to her
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from the community.
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Once again, we have a member
of the black community...
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dead...
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under circumstances that are
highly questionable at best.
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It has been determined that the evidence
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does not warrant the
filing of criminal charges.
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This was a justifiable homicide,
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uh, committed by the officers
in their own self-defense.
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As far as LAPD was concerned,
it was just an event.
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And everybody was supposed to accept it.
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This was on the lips and minds
of everybody in the community.
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The people gonna get justice,
and it's gonna be in the street.
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It didn't help that
you had a police chief,
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who behaved poorly,
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and, in many ways, irresponsibly.
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And I've commented on the media
squeezing out the last, uh...
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tear of emotion in this situation,
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where they talk about a $22 gas bill.
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It doesn't make any
difference, but it was, uh...
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a $69 gas bill.
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Gates was Gates.
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He's going to be fully
supportive of his officers.
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I guess they don't think I
have any sympathy for anyone,
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other than police officers,
and that's simply not true.
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I have great empathy and sympathy
for Eulia Love and her family.
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Deeply sorry that it
happened, but it did happen.
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I...
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was a big fan of Daryl...
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Francis Gates.
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Gates introduced the SWAT
model of law enforcement,
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introduced the D.A.R.E. program
to all of law enforcement.
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So he was an innovator.
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But he was also a controversial guy.
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We have officers out there doing the job.
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Attempting to make good judgment
based on the information they have,
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protecting themselves and protecting
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the people of the city of Los Angeles,
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that we will go to hell for.
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He loved LAPD. He loved his officers.
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And there were times that I believe
that his love for his officers...
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and the law enforcement mission...
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conflicted.
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O.J. Simpson and Elizabeth Montgomery
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are two police detectives
who have a problem.
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They're falling in love, and
it's breaking all the rules.
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But you are a married man,
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and your conduct is
supposed to be exemplary.
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Would it make any difference
if I was a white cop?
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It's a bittersweet story
of two people caught between
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their emotions and their actions
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in "A Killing Affair".
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Sunday at 3:00 on channel 9.
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Life for a black person...
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in a way, unfortunately,
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is different than for white people.
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And especially for black
people who attain great success.
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Is there pressure from your community
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for you to really walk
the straight and narrow?
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I know that you are currently
dating a white woman.
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I wouldn't be asking this question
if we were living in different times,
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but we are, and there seems to be...
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this sort of dichotomy here.
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How do you answer it?
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Well, I rebel against images because...
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then, um...
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you know, people tend to
expect things from you.
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I... I think I created
an image by being me.
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When I get into these arguments with...
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people of the bla...
people of my community,
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the black community,
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I say, "Hey, I... I've
accepted Jesus Christ"
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and, uh, I try to do unto others as, uh...
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you know, I would have them do unto me.
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And after that, hey, my life is mine.
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And I... I do what is morally
right and acceptable to me.
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I am not prejudiced in any form.
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Obviously, I got a white girlfriend.
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I admired his celebrity status.
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We thought he had
accomplished quite a bit.
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To move from an athlete...
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to... a position of celebrity,
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and loved by all the
people, not just black folk.
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I invited O.J. here, early on in the '80s.
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He didn't come as often
as I thought he should.
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But he did come to church.
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I think he was very in tune with...
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who his mother wanted him to be.
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She wanted him to be
honest, to be religious.
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Just to rise above a lot of the things
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that he saw growing up.
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His mother was a staunch Christian.
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And she had embedded within
him the tenants of Jesus Christ.
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I would talk to him about
having achieved money and fame.
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But all that came from God.
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And there are times when you should...
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respond to how good God has been to you.
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Now, some days, depending on his mood,
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he would agree.
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But he was not out there...
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publically...
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fighting for African-Americans.
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I think each person
who is in the limelight
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has an obligation...
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to make things better for
the last, the lost, the least,
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the left out, and the looked over.
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And I thought he should have done more.
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If we, as Black people, do not
take on the responsibility...
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to do something for ourselves,
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we really should be scorned
in the eyes of the world.
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In my circles, there
were not a lot of people
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who were preoccupying
themselves with getting to O.J.
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or believing that O.J.
could be turned around,
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or someday was gonna come to his senses
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and embrace all of the things
that have the values that we had,
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in terms of really, really
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doing something demonstrative
for the Black community.
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O.J. was just one of those things
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that you just kind of dismissed,
"Oh, that brother's a lost cause."
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His voice was mute...
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on any issues that related to
Black people and our salvation,
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police brutality, all of those things.
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He was just a non-entity.
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I don't know that he felt
that he was sacrificing
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what other people thought he was.
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But you're sacrificing who you are...
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who you are raised to be.
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How does one sustain that
over that period of time?
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How does one bend one's soul
to that degree of denial?
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It's easy to tell while
laid out on the ground,
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while he's bleeding to death.
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Is that what makes you happy?
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Did you hear? Did you
see what was going on?
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Did he see everything
happening in South Central?
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Yeah.
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Did he want to take that home with him?
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Did he want that to be who he was?
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Who he identified with? No.
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He stayed in Brentwood.
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When you live in South L.A.,
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I mean you live here,
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this is where you breath,
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this is where you occupy your space,
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I'm not sure if, you know,
a lot of people even know
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where Brentwood is.
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That's just the reality...
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of Black America and White America.
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Two totally... separate worlds.
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He's somebody who
learned how to live with,
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be totally accepted by a white world.
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Underneath that,
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he learned all of the
indignities of the Black world.
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Although it's impossible to believe
that he's that brilliant an actor.
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I think he was always kind of
on when he was in a White world,
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and he weren't when he
was in a Black world.
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Which makes him the right
soul for Coalhouse Walker.
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He very much wanted to be cast
in E.L. Doctorow's "Ragtime".
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And he worked hard on
trying to get that part.
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He saw the part as being
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something that he could go into
a new dimension as an actor.
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Let's go to your acting
career for a moment.
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Why did you want the role
of Coalhouse Walker Jr.?
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Well, first of all, it, um...
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it was the only part thus
far that I've ever actively
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went after and didn't get.
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So, I'd consider it my
only failure in film.
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Thus far.
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Good afternoon.
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I wonder if you might be able to help me.
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Uh...
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Uh... what do you want?
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Well, I'm looking for a young
woman of color called Sarah.
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Uh... who are you?
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Oh, I'm sorry.
253
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My name is Coalhouse Walker Jr.
254
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When I read the book, I could
identify with this guy...
255
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so much... He was a
Black man in... at a time
256
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when you were supposed
to know you were Black.
257
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You were supposed to know you had a place.
258
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Would you please wait around the back?
259
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I was raised in the sports world
260
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where you're only, uh,
judged by your abilities...
261
00:14:36,090 --> 00:14:37,823
and, uh, you know, what you have to give.
262
00:14:41,128 --> 00:14:42,428
Who is Coalhouse?
263
00:14:42,430 --> 00:14:44,630
Well, he's a guy who created himself.
264
00:14:44,632 --> 00:14:47,299
And destroyed himself... ultimately.
265
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He was a guy among other things
who was very prideful and suffered.
266
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Suffered for his pride.
267
00:14:54,675 --> 00:14:56,642
Mr. Walker, let me give you some advice.
268
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You spend the money on your wedding.
269
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Build yourself a home and a family
where you can find some comfort.
270
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And just forget that some damn
white man caused you offence.
271
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I can understand exactly what he felt.
272
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When he walked in a room,
273
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he gave no credence to
the fact he was Black
274
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and he wasn't supposed to say
things or be treated any differently.
275
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And, uh...
276
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Uh.. that's the way I've
tried to look at my life.
277
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So, I felt I was the
right person for that role.
278
00:15:21,268 --> 00:15:24,003
I felt that I was
today's Coalhouse Walker.
279
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"Just forget it"? Is that it?
280
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I've spent my whole life forgetting.
281
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You're a young man. You
better start learning now.
282
00:15:34,115 --> 00:15:35,115
Learning what?
283
00:15:35,683 --> 00:15:36,882
How to be a nigger?
284
00:15:40,054 --> 00:15:42,187
You know, there was some
tragedy in your life...
285
00:15:42,189 --> 00:15:44,990
in the last 10 years. You lost a child.
286
00:15:44,992 --> 00:15:47,092
I wanna talk about how it changed you.
287
00:15:54,368 --> 00:15:56,568
The baby drowned in a swimming pool.
288
00:15:56,570 --> 00:15:58,037
On Rockingham, there.
289
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He was away.
290
00:16:01,142 --> 00:16:02,875
You know, he was always gone.
291
00:16:02,877 --> 00:16:04,076
Four, set!
292
00:16:04,879 --> 00:16:06,578
I don't know how much it changed me.
293
00:16:06,580 --> 00:16:09,048
I've always tried to live
my life to the fullest.
294
00:16:09,050 --> 00:16:09,982
And, uh...
295
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I used to be so busy.
296
00:16:10,985 --> 00:16:12,384
And I was on the road so much,
297
00:16:12,386 --> 00:16:15,320
that in a sense it
partially cost me a marriage.
298
00:16:15,322 --> 00:16:17,322
When I lost my daughter...
299
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I was gone.
300
00:16:18,125 --> 00:16:21,527
When my first daughter
was born, I was gone.
301
00:16:25,699 --> 00:16:28,033
When you lose a child, it's very hard.
302
00:16:28,035 --> 00:16:32,071
Three weeks before Aaren
drowned, my son drowned...
303
00:16:32,073 --> 00:16:36,341
in a pool, that Boys Club
in San Leandro, California.
304
00:16:36,343 --> 00:16:38,977
So, the tragedy affected us both.
305
00:16:40,214 --> 00:16:43,982
It still affects me. So, I
know... how it affects him.
306
00:16:46,921 --> 00:16:49,588
He didn't bring it up, and
we didn't talk much about it.
307
00:16:49,590 --> 00:16:50,590
Hey, O.J.!
308
00:16:51,625 --> 00:16:54,593
I think it's the single most
horrible thing in the world.
309
00:16:59,033 --> 00:17:01,066
I think what you learn in the streets,
310
00:17:02,036 --> 00:17:04,103
is how to bury things.
311
00:17:04,939 --> 00:17:06,338
And he blamed Marguerite.
312
00:17:12,913 --> 00:17:17,082
He got rid of that memory
when he got rid of that wife.
313
00:17:17,084 --> 00:17:19,151
He just compartmentalized it.
314
00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:21,553
And got 'em out.
315
00:17:23,557 --> 00:17:27,126
If anything, I made up my
mind that I would be around.
316
00:17:27,128 --> 00:17:28,127
And, uh...
317
00:17:28,129 --> 00:17:30,262
it's nice to be loved by everybody.
318
00:17:30,264 --> 00:17:32,331
But there's some people
that love you a little more.
319
00:17:32,333 --> 00:17:33,565
So, I guess if anything,
320
00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:35,734
I... I just want to
be a little more loving
321
00:17:35,736 --> 00:17:38,103
and be there a little more
to the people that have, uh,
322
00:17:38,105 --> 00:17:40,339
have chosen to share their lives with me.
323
00:17:42,810 --> 00:17:44,042
And now by the...
324
00:17:45,079 --> 00:17:46,311
authority committed unto me
325
00:17:46,313 --> 00:17:48,514
as a minister in the
church of Jesus Christ
326
00:17:48,516 --> 00:17:51,250
and according to the laws
in the State of California,
327
00:17:51,252 --> 00:17:53,919
it gives me great
delight, O.J. and Nicole,
328
00:17:53,921 --> 00:17:56,522
to pronounce you husband and wife.
329
00:18:10,471 --> 00:18:12,204
We love "Juice" like my brother.
330
00:18:12,206 --> 00:18:15,007
I'm thrilled he's my
partner, and we're just...
331
00:18:15,009 --> 00:18:18,043
totally knocked out that
he finally took the step...
332
00:18:20,881 --> 00:18:22,514
They had a great wedding.
333
00:18:23,817 --> 00:18:25,684
Of course, they had amazing music.
334
00:18:25,686 --> 00:18:28,353
And it was all, you
know, Christal champagne,
335
00:18:28,355 --> 00:18:29,288
all you could drink.
336
00:18:29,290 --> 00:18:31,056
Where are the drugs? No, I'm just kidding.
337
00:18:31,959 --> 00:18:33,058
It was a great party.
338
00:18:35,462 --> 00:18:38,797
And they made a really
strong, gorgeous couple.
339
00:18:42,036 --> 00:18:44,736
I just felt that they
were the ideal couple.
340
00:18:44,738 --> 00:18:47,539
Because it seems like
to me, from what I saw,
341
00:18:47,541 --> 00:18:51,043
it seemed like they just
had so much fun all the time.
342
00:18:51,045 --> 00:18:52,878
I'm married! I don't believe it!
343
00:18:53,881 --> 00:18:55,747
I'm married! I really don't believe it.
344
00:18:56,483 --> 00:19:01,119
Nicole was funny, and
she was fun to be around.
345
00:19:01,121 --> 00:19:03,055
She was a very good friend.
346
00:19:03,057 --> 00:19:04,723
When Nicole came into my life at...
347
00:19:04,725 --> 00:19:07,059
what for any athlete
is very difficult time,
348
00:19:07,061 --> 00:19:08,694
it was at the end of my career,
349
00:19:08,696 --> 00:19:11,396
I was also going through a
divorce at the time and, uh...
350
00:19:11,398 --> 00:19:14,833
All my life, I wanted to be a father.
351
00:19:14,835 --> 00:19:17,002
I never really thought
about being a husband.
352
00:19:17,004 --> 00:19:18,244
And I thought I had given up...
353
00:19:18,939 --> 00:19:21,573
the opportunity to watch my kids grow
354
00:19:21,575 --> 00:19:24,576
until you came into my life
and made this house a home,
355
00:19:24,578 --> 00:19:25,877
brought my kids in.
356
00:19:25,879 --> 00:19:27,713
You brought love into my house.
357
00:19:33,554 --> 00:19:35,854
He was really proud of her.
358
00:19:35,856 --> 00:19:39,057
And she had definitely taken over.
359
00:19:39,059 --> 00:19:41,493
I mean, she was running
the show at Rockingham.
360
00:19:44,031 --> 00:19:46,231
Rockingham, it was his Graceland.
361
00:19:46,233 --> 00:19:48,533
It was all of their Graceland.
362
00:19:48,535 --> 00:19:50,736
We never said, "I'll
meet you at O.J.'s house."
363
00:19:50,738 --> 00:19:52,904
It was always, "I'll
see you at Rockingham."
364
00:19:52,906 --> 00:19:54,873
It was what brought all of us together.
365
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:58,377
It was a special place.
366
00:19:58,379 --> 00:20:00,812
I mean, you never knew
who was gonna be there.
367
00:20:00,814 --> 00:20:04,650
He gravitated toward celebrities.
368
00:20:04,652 --> 00:20:05,384
In any field.
369
00:20:05,386 --> 00:20:09,955
And that's the glue that
bonded him to Los Angeles,
370
00:20:09,957 --> 00:20:13,025
and also made Rockingham that castle.
371
00:20:14,261 --> 00:20:17,462
You'd have the greatest
athletes in the world show up.
372
00:20:17,464 --> 00:20:19,765
The most interesting
politicians, you know?
373
00:20:19,767 --> 00:20:21,266
The entertainment world.
374
00:20:21,268 --> 00:20:23,502
And everybody always had a wonderful time
375
00:20:23,504 --> 00:20:24,970
because it was "The Juice".
376
00:20:25,973 --> 00:20:29,241
I've always had a large
what I call "family"...
377
00:20:29,243 --> 00:20:31,143
A large circle of friends,
378
00:20:31,145 --> 00:20:33,412
and you need 'em more,
I guess, in your life.
379
00:20:33,414 --> 00:20:36,114
At my house, I mean,
I have to be successful
380
00:20:36,116 --> 00:20:38,450
to pay for the soft drinks and the beer
381
00:20:38,452 --> 00:20:40,686
that the guys drink at
the house on the weekends.
382
00:20:44,024 --> 00:20:47,526
He flew a flag at Rockingham every day.
383
00:20:47,528 --> 00:20:50,095
He loved America. He loved
the red, white, and blue.
384
00:20:50,097 --> 00:20:53,298
He loved that feeling that you get,
you know, on the Fourth of July,
385
00:20:53,300 --> 00:20:55,167
and see jets fly over.
386
00:20:55,169 --> 00:20:57,336
During the Olympics,
when he carried the torch.
387
00:20:57,338 --> 00:20:58,537
That was a big thing to him.
388
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:04,476
That was one of the things we
talked about for years after.
389
00:21:04,478 --> 00:21:06,878
How perfect the world was then.
390
00:21:08,449 --> 00:21:10,349
I want to say to, uh...
391
00:21:10,351 --> 00:21:11,783
the Hall of Fame members here,
392
00:21:11,785 --> 00:21:14,119
I mean, as a kid, I watched these guys
393
00:21:14,121 --> 00:21:16,154
and, well, I must have done something good
394
00:21:16,156 --> 00:21:18,557
or something right to be here,
and I just want you to know
395
00:21:18,559 --> 00:21:20,625
that I'll never let you guys down, man.
396
00:21:20,627 --> 00:21:22,461
I'll live up to the honor
of being in this Hall
397
00:21:22,463 --> 00:21:23,562
and being on your team.
398
00:21:25,866 --> 00:21:26,865
Thank you very much.
399
00:21:31,004 --> 00:21:33,238
The most unique aspect of O.J. Simpson
400
00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,840
is that you're one of the few people
401
00:21:34,842 --> 00:21:37,676
who've not only been
successful in athletics,
402
00:21:37,678 --> 00:21:42,381
but that success has really
carried over to life after football.
403
00:21:44,885 --> 00:21:47,052
Well, it's real exciting
for me to be back here.
404
00:21:47,054 --> 00:21:49,020
You know, on the field
where I had so many thrills,
405
00:21:49,022 --> 00:21:51,656
and to experience these
Buffalo Bills fans,
406
00:21:51,658 --> 00:21:54,092
and, believe me, Howard,
they're in rare form tonight.
407
00:21:55,062 --> 00:21:58,063
Well, he certainly tried
to be a commentator.
408
00:21:58,065 --> 00:22:00,499
Peyton following Matt Suhey.
409
00:22:00,501 --> 00:22:04,369
It's a testament to walk...
Walter's conditioning.
410
00:22:04,371 --> 00:22:06,091
This guy works out
harder than anybody in...
411
00:22:08,242 --> 00:22:12,744
He very much was involved
in corporate America
412
00:22:12,746 --> 00:22:14,279
and being on boards.
413
00:22:15,215 --> 00:22:18,950
I think he was trying, very intelligently,
414
00:22:18,952 --> 00:22:22,454
to parley his fame into wealth.
415
00:22:24,425 --> 00:22:27,459
By the '80s, O.J.
really was a businessman.
416
00:22:29,463 --> 00:22:32,964
His new friends were all super wealthy,
417
00:22:32,966 --> 00:22:35,000
powerful white men.
418
00:22:36,403 --> 00:22:39,070
And I think really the
reason he surrounded himself
419
00:22:39,072 --> 00:22:41,540
with all these big,
successful entrepreneurs
420
00:22:41,542 --> 00:22:43,508
is because he saw himself as one, too.
421
00:22:46,079 --> 00:22:49,080
I've always been, sort
of, an inquisitive person.
422
00:22:49,082 --> 00:22:51,450
And I have friends who do
a lot of different things.
423
00:22:51,452 --> 00:22:54,286
And I've made it a point
to find out what the people
424
00:22:54,288 --> 00:22:55,353
around me were doing.
425
00:22:57,991 --> 00:23:00,058
He called me a lot.
426
00:23:00,060 --> 00:23:04,629
"Now, Frank, I have this
opportunity for HoneyBaked Hams."
427
00:23:04,631 --> 00:23:07,999
Or "Frank, this friend of mine
is doing some storage things
428
00:23:08,001 --> 00:23:09,067
in California."
429
00:23:10,103 --> 00:23:12,237
I didn't always know those answers.
430
00:23:12,239 --> 00:23:13,939
But I guess I enjoyed the fact
431
00:23:13,941 --> 00:23:16,141
that he trusted me enough to do that.
432
00:23:18,178 --> 00:23:21,146
I introduced him to the business world.
433
00:23:26,153 --> 00:23:27,853
I took him places...
434
00:23:27,855 --> 00:23:31,957
where I think very few
Black men had ever been.
435
00:23:31,959 --> 00:23:33,525
The Pine Valley Golf Club.
436
00:23:34,495 --> 00:23:36,728
The number one club in America.
437
00:23:39,967 --> 00:23:41,867
I got him into Arcola.
438
00:23:41,869 --> 00:23:44,035
He was the first black member of the club.
439
00:23:44,037 --> 00:23:46,104
Oh, yeah, by a long shot.
440
00:23:47,007 --> 00:23:49,808
This one time, he brought Sidney Poitier.
441
00:23:49,810 --> 00:23:54,479
And, of course, the whole club was
circling around the two of them.
442
00:23:54,481 --> 00:23:58,016
Even the bigots thought that was terrific.
443
00:23:59,052 --> 00:24:00,052
They loved him.
444
00:24:00,821 --> 00:24:02,254
Because he just fit in.
445
00:24:04,191 --> 00:24:06,892
He could schmooze around
and get ingratiated,
446
00:24:06,894 --> 00:24:08,493
'cause he was "The Juice".
447
00:24:08,495 --> 00:24:12,364
Street-smart, this man was an Einstein.
448
00:24:12,366 --> 00:24:17,068
He could cunningly and
calculatingly figure out exactly
449
00:24:17,070 --> 00:24:19,838
what these white people
were thinking about,
450
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,140
but he was also that
way with Black people.
451
00:24:22,142 --> 00:24:26,645
It was almost magnetic,
they were just drawn to it.
452
00:24:26,647 --> 00:24:28,013
And I don't care who was there,
453
00:24:28,015 --> 00:24:30,095
when he got to the room,
it was, "The Juice is here."
454
00:24:30,884 --> 00:24:33,919
Here's the man whose
smile is more dazzling
455
00:24:33,921 --> 00:24:35,987
than all his golden awards.
456
00:24:35,989 --> 00:24:39,724
Sportsman, actor, all around wonderful
457
00:24:39,726 --> 00:24:41,893
Mr. O.J. Simpson!
458
00:24:44,064 --> 00:24:47,065
I always told him he had
delusions of grandeur.
459
00:24:47,067 --> 00:24:49,534
He thought he could do
certain things in business
460
00:24:49,536 --> 00:24:51,002
that he wasn't capable of.
461
00:24:51,004 --> 00:24:52,337
Three!
462
00:24:52,339 --> 00:24:55,774
One day he was gonna run
Paramount or 20th Century,
463
00:24:55,776 --> 00:24:56,608
Warner Brothers...
464
00:24:56,610 --> 00:24:59,611
Now, I mean, he believed things like that.
465
00:24:59,613 --> 00:25:01,880
Ladies and gentlemen,
another winning performance
466
00:25:01,882 --> 00:25:04,349
from Mr. O.J. Simpson!
467
00:25:05,452 --> 00:25:07,018
There's something deep-seated...
468
00:25:07,020 --> 00:25:09,020
that I think a lot of people like myself
469
00:25:09,022 --> 00:25:12,090
have to face up to about what created
470
00:25:12,092 --> 00:25:13,725
this complex character.
471
00:25:13,727 --> 00:25:16,628
It wasn't just him, it was part society.
472
00:25:21,768 --> 00:25:23,935
We were looking for a celebrity...
473
00:25:23,937 --> 00:25:27,706
and I... I don't think we
wanted an all-white cast anymore,
474
00:25:27,708 --> 00:25:30,442
as we did for the Police Squad TV show.
475
00:25:31,979 --> 00:25:35,447
This was something that, you
know, kinda looked better...
476
00:25:35,449 --> 00:25:36,449
for us.
477
00:25:38,919 --> 00:25:42,621
He was still in the public
eye, but yet he was economical,
478
00:25:42,623 --> 00:25:45,390
because I don't think he
was in demand for movies.
479
00:25:45,392 --> 00:25:47,993
Police! Throw down your guns!
480
00:25:47,995 --> 00:25:50,962
O.J. was fine for Naked Gun.
481
00:25:50,964 --> 00:25:52,597
There was nobody better.
482
00:25:58,238 --> 00:25:59,904
Ahh!
483
00:26:02,009 --> 00:26:03,009
Oh, no!
484
00:26:04,678 --> 00:26:06,945
Naked Gun surprised me...
485
00:26:09,116 --> 00:26:10,482
How funny he was.
486
00:26:10,917 --> 00:26:11,983
He's a funny man.
487
00:26:11,985 --> 00:26:14,919
I mean, he was always a very funny man.
488
00:26:14,921 --> 00:26:17,822
And he was always a selflessly funny man.
489
00:26:17,824 --> 00:26:18,990
- Nordberg!
- Hiya, buddy!
490
00:26:18,992 --> 00:26:20,592
Hey!
491
00:26:20,594 --> 00:26:22,861
The doc says I should be on my
feet and as good as new in a week!
492
00:26:22,863 --> 00:26:26,264
- And back on the force.
- Nordberg, that's wonderful!
493
00:26:27,601 --> 00:26:28,967
Whoa!
494
00:26:28,969 --> 00:26:31,603
Oh, Frank! Everyone should
have a friend like you!
495
00:26:37,044 --> 00:26:39,611
I used to take a lot of
cops over to O.J.'s house,
496
00:26:39,613 --> 00:26:43,148
and I would never tell them
who we were going to meet.
497
00:26:43,150 --> 00:26:45,884
And I just loved looking at the expression
498
00:26:45,886 --> 00:26:47,952
on my partner's face
499
00:26:47,954 --> 00:26:50,722
when they looked and saw
O.J. opening the door,
500
00:26:50,724 --> 00:26:52,223
and it was just like looking at...
501
00:26:52,225 --> 00:26:54,559
You know, 'cause some of these
guys, you know, macho cops.
502
00:26:54,561 --> 00:26:57,062
"Hey," you know, "I'm LAPD".
503
00:26:57,064 --> 00:27:02,967
And you could see them melt
like little kids around this guy.
504
00:27:02,969 --> 00:27:06,671
Everybody loved O.J.
Simpson, all the cops.
505
00:27:06,673 --> 00:27:09,007
If you asked him for an autograph,
you asked him for whatever,
506
00:27:09,009 --> 00:27:11,810
I mean, he was just really,
like, your best friend.
507
00:27:16,149 --> 00:27:18,083
Now, let's take a look
at today's black culture
508
00:27:18,085 --> 00:27:19,451
in the city of Los Angeles.
509
00:27:20,554 --> 00:27:22,921
The most important point
that should be considered
510
00:27:22,923 --> 00:27:24,923
in a law-enforcement
setting involving blacks
511
00:27:24,925 --> 00:27:27,092
is the matter of respect.
512
00:27:27,928 --> 00:27:30,762
Everyone should be treated
in a respectful manner.
513
00:27:30,764 --> 00:27:33,231
Okay, 4-23, you see that, uh, male black.
514
00:27:33,233 --> 00:27:34,666
He's walking on the north
side of the street there
515
00:27:34,668 --> 00:27:36,101
on your right side.
516
00:27:36,103 --> 00:27:37,823
Slow down. That's one
of the suspects there.
517
00:27:41,074 --> 00:27:43,541
People who have been abused by the police
518
00:27:43,543 --> 00:27:45,076
have no regard for them.
519
00:27:45,912 --> 00:27:48,079
They don't believe that the police comes
520
00:27:48,081 --> 00:27:51,449
to protect them, comes to serve them.
521
00:27:51,451 --> 00:27:53,618
That would be an
unfortunate error in judgment
522
00:27:53,620 --> 00:27:56,588
for you to conclude that all
persons of a particular group
523
00:27:56,590 --> 00:28:00,191
are similar to the few you have
contact while you are working.
524
00:28:00,193 --> 00:28:02,694
We're sorry if, you
know, it's our job too.
525
00:28:02,696 --> 00:28:04,929
that... that we've had to do this.
526
00:28:04,931 --> 00:28:06,097
We just can't let you go.
527
00:28:06,933 --> 00:28:08,299
Look how I look.
528
00:28:08,301 --> 00:28:12,237
I'm light, bright, but
damn sure not white. Okay?
529
00:28:12,239 --> 00:28:16,040
But the reality is, when
I'm stopped by the police,
530
00:28:16,042 --> 00:28:17,562
you know, they treat me like a nigger.
531
00:28:18,445 --> 00:28:22,914
Okay, let's roll, and
let's be careful out there.
532
00:28:22,916 --> 00:28:26,951
In 1978, Los Angeles police
chief Daryl Gates apologized
533
00:28:26,953 --> 00:28:30,488
after saying some Hispanic
officers don't advance in the ranks
534
00:28:30,490 --> 00:28:32,590
because they are, quote, "lazy",
535
00:28:32,592 --> 00:28:34,926
and now an NAACP official
536
00:28:34,928 --> 00:28:36,895
is calling a comment by Chief Gates,
537
00:28:36,897 --> 00:28:39,597
quote, "so horrendous
that it's laughable."
538
00:28:39,599 --> 00:28:42,100
It all started when he first defended
539
00:28:42,102 --> 00:28:43,735
controversial choke holds.
540
00:28:45,105 --> 00:28:47,272
A number of African-American
suspects had died
541
00:28:47,274 --> 00:28:49,741
after being subjected to a choke hold,
542
00:28:49,743 --> 00:28:51,910
and Gates was asked about it,
and he said the problem was
543
00:28:51,912 --> 00:28:54,779
that they didn't respond
the same as normal people.
544
00:28:54,781 --> 00:28:58,683
The chief needs some time off
to remove his foot from his mouth
545
00:28:58,685 --> 00:29:02,520
and LAPD's choke hold from
the necks of black people.
546
00:29:02,522 --> 00:29:04,522
When I started covering
the police department,
547
00:29:04,524 --> 00:29:08,126
you could feel the
residue of that comment.
548
00:29:08,128 --> 00:29:10,328
In fact, police officers
used to refer to the cars,
549
00:29:10,330 --> 00:29:12,630
which normally people
would call black-and-whites,
550
00:29:12,632 --> 00:29:14,112
they called them "black-and-normals".
551
00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,936
And they would call them that in
front of a reporter, by the way.
552
00:29:17,938 --> 00:29:21,105
So it's safe to say that
it was a sort of easy,
553
00:29:21,107 --> 00:29:23,007
call it racial
insensitivity, call it racism,
554
00:29:23,009 --> 00:29:24,075
within the department.
555
00:29:26,012 --> 00:29:29,914
I moved to LA in 1988.
556
00:29:30,884 --> 00:29:34,786
I had a really good friend
who lived there, and she said,
557
00:29:34,788 --> 00:29:38,356
"I have to give you the black
man's guide to survival in LA.
558
00:29:38,358 --> 00:29:41,459
Whatever you do, don't fuck with LAPD."
559
00:29:45,065 --> 00:29:48,233
In Los Angeles it was a day filled
with tension in many communities,
560
00:29:48,235 --> 00:29:50,869
because of the current
wave of gang warfare.
561
00:29:50,871 --> 00:29:52,704
I feel like a prisoner on the streets.
562
00:29:52,706 --> 00:29:55,206
This city has vowed to stop gang violence,
563
00:29:55,208 --> 00:29:57,876
but as police hunt the people responsible,
564
00:29:57,878 --> 00:30:00,044
they must follow a trail of bodies.
565
00:30:00,046 --> 00:30:02,013
We're gonna do whatever's necessary,
566
00:30:02,015 --> 00:30:04,415
and I told my people
we're gonna wage a war.
567
00:30:09,022 --> 00:30:10,521
Operation Hammer,
568
00:30:10,523 --> 00:30:14,926
that was the belief that
we overwhelm the community
569
00:30:14,928 --> 00:30:19,264
with warrants where we believe
that we had violent criminals,
570
00:30:19,266 --> 00:30:22,934
we could rid the problem.
571
00:30:22,936 --> 00:30:24,369
Ladies, down on the ground!
572
00:30:24,371 --> 00:30:26,271
Put your hands down, kneel over there!
573
00:30:26,273 --> 00:30:28,439
Over the past week or so, Chief Gates,
574
00:30:28,441 --> 00:30:29,874
how many arrests have you made?
575
00:30:29,876 --> 00:30:34,012
Well, in the last month we've
made, uh, about 3,000 arrests.
576
00:30:34,014 --> 00:30:36,848
Uh, just in the last
weekend we made, uh, 1,400.
577
00:30:39,352 --> 00:30:44,555
You just have a culture
of officers who felt that,
578
00:30:44,557 --> 00:30:47,025
uh, the only way the world will survive
579
00:30:47,027 --> 00:30:49,794
is if we neutralize these individuals
580
00:30:49,796 --> 00:30:51,562
as soon as possible.
581
00:30:51,564 --> 00:30:52,564
Hands down, man.
582
00:30:53,300 --> 00:30:55,199
And in the process of doing that,
583
00:30:55,201 --> 00:30:57,669
they debased and demeaned the community.
584
00:31:02,475 --> 00:31:03,475
You understand me?
585
00:31:06,780 --> 00:31:09,113
There was no conversation
with the community about
586
00:31:09,115 --> 00:31:10,882
"How should we deal with this?"
587
00:31:10,884 --> 00:31:13,885
It was just hammer, hammer, hammer.
588
00:31:17,290 --> 00:31:22,093
We have a war. We are
going to be successful.
589
00:31:22,095 --> 00:31:24,395
Whatever it takes, we will do it.
590
00:31:34,574 --> 00:31:37,342
I'd just put the kids into
bed, and the next thing I know,
591
00:31:37,344 --> 00:31:39,277
they just came in with guns and
they were saying, "Get down",
592
00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:41,079
and they grabbed me
by the back of my head,
593
00:31:41,081 --> 00:31:42,246
and he threw me on the floor,
594
00:31:42,248 --> 00:31:44,682
then they kicked me, and
they hit me on my back,
595
00:31:44,684 --> 00:31:46,150
and they said, "Get down, bitch."
596
00:31:46,152 --> 00:31:48,152
And then the kids were just
hollerin' and screamin'.
597
00:31:48,154 --> 00:31:49,087
And the next thing I know
598
00:31:49,089 --> 00:31:50,655
they were just tearing the place up.
599
00:31:51,992 --> 00:31:55,360
1988, 39th and Dalton.
600
00:32:03,803 --> 00:32:06,004
Not the best police practices.
601
00:32:06,006 --> 00:32:10,008
Not the best way to manage
a, uh... a warrant service.
602
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:12,276
Everything was destroyed as police
603
00:32:12,278 --> 00:32:14,612
batted and rammed their
way from room to room
604
00:32:14,614 --> 00:32:16,114
searching for drugs.
605
00:32:16,116 --> 00:32:19,384
Much of what they found were
screaming mothers and children.
606
00:32:20,820 --> 00:32:22,520
This is my bedroom over here,
607
00:32:22,522 --> 00:32:25,256
but they even broke all the
mirrors and stuff out of the bed.
608
00:32:27,727 --> 00:32:30,995
They went in and literally
destroyed the apartment
609
00:32:30,997 --> 00:32:35,700
where supposedly a lot of
drug activity was going on.
610
00:32:35,702 --> 00:32:39,570
All this resulted in three quarters
of an ounce of rock cocaine seized
611
00:32:39,572 --> 00:32:41,639
along with six ounces of pot.
612
00:32:43,643 --> 00:32:46,344
You wouldn't go to
Beverly Hills and do that,
613
00:32:46,346 --> 00:32:48,913
even if you thought there
was a... a mafia hangout.
614
00:32:50,984 --> 00:32:52,717
Even if you thought it was legitimate.
615
00:32:54,020 --> 00:32:57,221
I called my insurance, and
I told them what happened.
616
00:32:57,223 --> 00:32:59,924
He said he had never heard
of the police doing this.
617
00:33:01,761 --> 00:33:07,732
When you don't live in the community,
you don't think of 'em as human.
618
00:33:07,734 --> 00:33:10,068
In my wildest dreams,
would have never thought
619
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:13,738
the police of the city of Los
Angeles would treat someone that way.
620
00:33:13,740 --> 00:33:15,006
They started kicking me.
621
00:33:16,876 --> 00:33:18,342
What they tell ya?
622
00:33:18,344 --> 00:33:19,444
They didn't tell me nothin',
623
00:33:19,446 --> 00:33:20,778
they started kicking me and hitting me
624
00:33:20,780 --> 00:33:21,679
on my ribs and stuff.
625
00:33:21,681 --> 00:33:27,085
Chief Gates, we're proud of you,
We're proud to wear the 'PD blue.
626
00:33:29,122 --> 00:33:32,523
You'd go to the power of LAPD back then.
627
00:33:32,525 --> 00:33:35,993
They pretty much could
do what they wanted to do.
628
00:33:44,537 --> 00:33:45,537
Yeah.
629
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,907
Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson,
and this season on HBO,
630
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:52,343
I'm gonna be high-stepping
right into your living room.
631
00:33:53,947 --> 00:33:55,107
All right, we'll do it again.
632
00:33:56,382 --> 00:33:58,082
When O.J. was at SC,
633
00:33:58,084 --> 00:34:01,152
in my generation you didn't have
the jerseys you could go buy,
634
00:34:01,154 --> 00:34:03,788
so I would take my T-shirts
and write "Simpson",
635
00:34:03,790 --> 00:34:05,089
and I'd put, you know,
636
00:34:05,091 --> 00:34:08,893
like, you know, his number,
32, and, "Okay, I'm O.J."
637
00:34:08,895 --> 00:34:11,963
Hi, I'm O.J. Simpson,
and this season on HBO,
638
00:34:11,965 --> 00:34:13,898
I'm gonna be high-stepping
right into your living room.
639
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:16,334
I just thought, "One day,
I wanna meet this guy."
640
00:34:16,336 --> 00:34:17,802
Okay, what's the next one?
641
00:34:18,605 --> 00:34:20,471
And it was through Marcus Allen.
642
00:34:20,473 --> 00:34:22,907
Follow me through Training Camp,
and I guarantee that I'll...
643
00:34:22,909 --> 00:34:24,775
Hey, Juice, I did hear my name.
644
00:34:24,777 --> 00:34:26,310
Hey, man, this is my spot, Marcus.
645
00:34:26,312 --> 00:34:27,432
Well, I've got the ball now.
646
00:34:28,248 --> 00:34:31,616
I'd been marketing Marcus for a few years.
647
00:34:31,618 --> 00:34:33,084
And I told him, uh,
648
00:34:33,086 --> 00:34:36,087
"O.J. ever needs a manager, let me know."
649
00:34:36,089 --> 00:34:38,923
Training Camp is a time
to show what you can do.
650
00:34:38,925 --> 00:34:40,858
It's a time to show off your skills.
651
00:34:42,095 --> 00:34:44,095
You can prove yourself as a man.
652
00:34:44,864 --> 00:34:46,030
Blah, blah, blah.
653
00:34:46,032 --> 00:34:48,266
I did public appearances, endorsements,
654
00:34:48,268 --> 00:34:49,367
TV commercials...
655
00:34:49,369 --> 00:34:50,868
... autograph signings,
656
00:34:50,870 --> 00:34:54,539
basically everything
encompassing his image.
657
00:34:54,541 --> 00:34:56,073
This week in Training Camp...
658
00:34:56,976 --> 00:34:58,910
This week in Training Camp...
659
00:35:00,013 --> 00:35:02,980
This week in Training Camp... No.
660
00:35:02,982 --> 00:35:06,817
The big thing that has always
been in everybody's head is image.
661
00:35:06,819 --> 00:35:07,618
Image is everything.
662
00:35:07,620 --> 00:35:13,191
Never do anything that is
going to harm his image.
663
00:35:14,861 --> 00:35:15,826
Thank you guys.
664
00:35:15,828 --> 00:35:17,295
I remember he had a...
665
00:35:17,297 --> 00:35:20,531
a little hundred-yard dash
with Marcus Allen one day.
666
00:35:20,533 --> 00:35:23,534
And he had bad knees,
O.J., from all the running.
667
00:35:23,536 --> 00:35:26,070
And he beat fuckin' Marcus.
I couldn't believe it.
668
00:35:26,072 --> 00:35:27,371
It's something inside of him.
669
00:35:28,241 --> 00:35:31,542
He wanted to win, no matter what it took.
670
00:35:31,544 --> 00:35:34,478
Chopping through that swing. And look out.
671
00:35:35,281 --> 00:35:40,117
When he first started playing
golf, he violated every rule.
672
00:35:41,487 --> 00:35:44,155
Okay. He's gotta work on
his balance a little bit.
673
00:35:44,157 --> 00:35:46,657
I played with O.J. and this other friend,
674
00:35:46,659 --> 00:35:48,392
Little Joe Kolkowitz.
675
00:35:49,896 --> 00:35:53,097
O.J. had the worst form
of anybody on this planet
676
00:35:53,099 --> 00:35:54,599
when he swung a golf club.
677
00:35:56,836 --> 00:36:01,072
One day, on the first tee,
he hits this big drive,
678
00:36:01,074 --> 00:36:03,908
and it hooks into the trees, heavy stuff.
679
00:36:05,178 --> 00:36:07,912
So we go down the fairway,
we're waiting and waiting
680
00:36:07,914 --> 00:36:09,947
'til Joe goes after him.
681
00:36:09,949 --> 00:36:12,083
All of a sudden, he finds his ball
682
00:36:12,085 --> 00:36:14,085
after a place where we probably went over.
683
00:36:16,589 --> 00:36:20,958
He sees the ball sitting on
a tee, and he says to O.J.,
684
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,326
"You can't do this shit, man."
685
00:36:23,796 --> 00:36:25,463
I go, "Jeez, come on."
686
00:36:25,465 --> 00:36:29,634
"Do you know what the odds
of the ball landing on a tee
687
00:36:29,636 --> 00:36:31,235
in this area... ?"
688
00:36:31,237 --> 00:36:35,306
He totally was not going to
confess to the whole thing.
689
00:36:36,743 --> 00:36:38,476
He definitely cheated.
690
00:36:38,911 --> 00:36:40,344
Yes. Yes.
691
00:36:42,048 --> 00:36:45,116
What he'd do, he had a ball in his pants,
692
00:36:45,118 --> 00:36:46,817
and he'd drop it out and then,
693
00:36:46,819 --> 00:36:47,918
"Hey, you guys, come on over here."
694
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:49,520
You know, "Here's my ball."
695
00:36:50,890 --> 00:36:52,790
And he did that to the point where finally
696
00:36:52,792 --> 00:36:56,794
a bunch of guys got together,
and they hired a caddy.
697
00:36:56,796 --> 00:36:58,396
We called it The Juice Patrol.
698
00:36:59,999 --> 00:37:02,233
And so he'd follow O.J.
around in another cart,
699
00:37:02,235 --> 00:37:04,802
so he wouldn't cheat.
700
00:37:04,804 --> 00:37:08,005
It was funny. It was, you know,
it was like you couldn't get mad.
701
00:37:08,007 --> 00:37:09,907
It was very hard to get mad at him.
702
00:37:13,613 --> 00:37:16,347
One of the things you pride
yourself in in being a golfer
703
00:37:16,349 --> 00:37:17,682
is you don't cheat,
704
00:37:18,951 --> 00:37:21,652
but people made a joke out of it,
705
00:37:21,654 --> 00:37:24,989
because they so badly
wanted him to understand
706
00:37:24,991 --> 00:37:28,025
the rules and regulations
of this part of society
707
00:37:28,027 --> 00:37:30,494
that didn't tolerate
that type of behavior.
708
00:37:30,496 --> 00:37:33,497
And yet he had that amazing charm
709
00:37:33,499 --> 00:37:36,734
that you'd somehow let him
get away with certain things.
710
00:37:38,538 --> 00:37:40,971
Juice! Juice!
711
00:37:40,973 --> 00:37:42,707
Juice! Juice!
712
00:37:44,043 --> 00:37:45,009
Touchdown!
713
00:37:45,011 --> 00:37:46,977
Whenever you went somewhere with him,
714
00:37:46,979 --> 00:37:48,546
like, doors would just open,
715
00:37:48,548 --> 00:37:51,582
and, you know, people
would pick up checks.
716
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,652
I'd say to him, "Hey, Juice,
717
00:37:54,654 --> 00:37:57,154
how are we going to get in... somewhere?
718
00:37:57,156 --> 00:37:58,656
We don't have any tickets."
719
00:37:58,658 --> 00:37:59,924
He would go like this...
720
00:38:02,061 --> 00:38:03,994
He... That's his ticket.
721
00:38:03,996 --> 00:38:06,297
I think he became entitled.
722
00:38:09,035 --> 00:38:14,038
I certainly felt bedazzled by O.J.
and Nicole and their lifestyle,
723
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:16,741
and I was very charmed by him,
724
00:38:18,244 --> 00:38:24,048
but I always did sense that
part of it was not sincere.
725
00:38:24,050 --> 00:38:26,250
The other side is my better side, I think.
726
00:38:26,252 --> 00:38:27,485
Turn the other side for me.
727
00:38:27,487 --> 00:38:30,888
And I did feel that he
took advantage of that.
728
00:38:30,890 --> 00:38:36,560
And if you allowed him to, I
think he would, uh, use you.
729
00:38:36,562 --> 00:38:37,602
All right, we're set here.
730
00:38:38,498 --> 00:38:40,498
My kissable lips, ooh.
731
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,534
While he was married, his integrity was...
732
00:38:43,536 --> 00:38:48,072
I mean, uh... not as I would have it.
733
00:38:48,074 --> 00:38:49,306
I will put it that way.
734
00:38:51,444 --> 00:38:54,378
He was an incorrigible womanizer.
735
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:55,780
He just never stopped.
736
00:38:57,183 --> 00:39:00,951
He cornered me a couple
times and tried to make, uh,
737
00:39:00,953 --> 00:39:06,023
sexual, you know, advance and,
you know, I kind of pushed him off.
738
00:39:07,693 --> 00:39:11,962
I think O.J. felt entitled
to anything O.J. wanted,
739
00:39:13,399 --> 00:39:17,701
and I think that he really needed
that adulation from other women.
740
00:39:19,906 --> 00:39:23,107
She knew he had affairs,
and it drove her crazy.
741
00:39:23,109 --> 00:39:24,542
Most of their big fights
742
00:39:24,544 --> 00:39:26,310
were about his affairs with other women.
743
00:39:27,413 --> 00:39:31,949
He went out of his way to
almost rub it in her face.
744
00:39:31,951 --> 00:39:35,085
He'd be in Las Vegas at a
show and be holding hands
745
00:39:35,087 --> 00:39:36,987
with another woman.
746
00:39:36,989 --> 00:39:39,790
She would be watching TV, and, I mean,
747
00:39:39,792 --> 00:39:41,392
I don't know how she put up with it.
748
00:39:42,962 --> 00:39:44,562
He was pretty darn brazen.
749
00:39:45,631 --> 00:39:47,965
I think he even blamed his
affair with Tawny Kitaen
750
00:39:47,967 --> 00:39:50,935
on the fact that Nicole got
fat when she got pregnant.
751
00:39:50,937 --> 00:39:52,603
And he didn't wanna have sex with her.
752
00:39:52,605 --> 00:39:55,906
Something as superficial and cold as that.
753
00:39:56,976 --> 00:40:00,578
Â♪ ... on the hammock,
take a little swing. Â♪
754
00:40:00,580 --> 00:40:02,480
Look! See the trees?
755
00:40:03,950 --> 00:40:08,018
I told him, "Man, you're
breaking the laws of God,
756
00:40:08,020 --> 00:40:12,022
and nobody does it with immunity.
757
00:40:12,859 --> 00:40:14,592
You're gonna pay for it, man.
758
00:40:16,596 --> 00:40:20,831
One day everybody's gonna know
everything that you've done, man."
759
00:40:53,366 --> 00:40:55,666
When you hear a call come out,
760
00:40:55,668 --> 00:40:59,670
and the 911 operator puts out on the call
761
00:40:59,672 --> 00:41:04,308
that she can hear the woman
being beaten in the background,
762
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:06,076
that... that's serious.
763
00:41:09,415 --> 00:41:11,215
When I got there,
764
00:41:11,217 --> 00:41:16,987
I saw an electronic buzzer
system, so I pushed the button.
765
00:41:16,989 --> 00:41:20,691
Almost simultaneously,
a tall, female blonde
766
00:41:20,693 --> 00:41:23,227
came running out of the bushes.
767
00:41:24,263 --> 00:41:28,365
She's wearing nothin'
but a bra and sweatpants,
768
00:41:28,367 --> 00:41:29,600
covered in mud.
769
00:41:29,602 --> 00:41:30,601
And she kept yelling,
770
00:41:30,603 --> 00:41:32,203
"He's gonna kill me! He's gonna kill me!"
771
00:41:34,106 --> 00:41:36,073
When that gate opened, she ran up
772
00:41:36,075 --> 00:41:39,243
and just put her arms
around me and clasped on me.
773
00:41:41,047 --> 00:41:43,447
She was so wet and cold
774
00:41:43,449 --> 00:41:45,950
that you could feel her
shivering to her bone.
775
00:41:47,053 --> 00:41:49,687
And I said, "Well, who's gonna kill you?"
776
00:41:49,689 --> 00:41:51,088
She said, "O.J."
777
00:41:51,891 --> 00:41:55,125
She says, "You guys have been
up here eight times before.
778
00:41:55,127 --> 00:41:58,195
All you do is talk to
him, you never do anything.
779
00:41:58,197 --> 00:41:59,930
He's gonna kill me."
780
00:42:00,967 --> 00:42:03,067
Her face had already swollen.
781
00:42:03,069 --> 00:42:05,135
She actually had an imprint
782
00:42:05,137 --> 00:42:08,038
on one side of her face and her forehead.
783
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:10,975
So I said, "Do you want him
arrested for beating you?"
784
00:42:10,977 --> 00:42:11,977
She said, "Yes."
785
00:42:13,713 --> 00:42:18,449
About that time, O.J. Simpson
came right up to the fence,
786
00:42:18,451 --> 00:42:20,017
and he started yelling,
787
00:42:20,820 --> 00:42:22,987
"I don't want her in my bed anymore.
788
00:42:22,989 --> 00:42:23,954
I got two other women.
789
00:42:23,956 --> 00:42:25,856
I don't want her in my bed anymore."
790
00:42:27,460 --> 00:42:30,628
He's got a receding hairline,
so you can see his forehead,
791
00:42:30,630 --> 00:42:34,498
and this vein was popping out, pulsating,
792
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:36,667
and it was right up his forehead.
793
00:42:37,937 --> 00:42:41,939
I told him, "I'm placing you
under arrest for beating your wife.
794
00:42:41,941 --> 00:42:45,409
You're gonna have to go get
dressed so I can take you to jail."
795
00:42:46,912 --> 00:42:50,981
He turned around and went back
in the house to get dressed.
796
00:42:52,351 --> 00:42:57,287
Suddenly I saw a Bentley pull
out of the other driveway.
797
00:42:58,691 --> 00:43:01,058
So I said, "Back up. He's
trying to get away in a car."
798
00:43:02,795 --> 00:43:06,997
And we backed out of the driveway,
and I never caught him with that car.
799
00:43:06,999 --> 00:43:08,565
I never found him.
800
00:43:13,805 --> 00:43:15,672
Downtown Los Angeles, little ocean haze.
801
00:43:15,675 --> 00:43:19,209
There is no smog today,
everybody's takin' it easy.
802
00:43:19,211 --> 00:43:23,814
Here at the 75th Rose
Bowl game, score 7-3.
803
00:43:23,816 --> 00:43:27,117
1989, Trojans were in the Rose Bowl.
804
00:43:27,119 --> 00:43:30,120
I was privileged enough
to... to have sideline passes
805
00:43:30,122 --> 00:43:33,223
and that was actually the first time
I'd ever been to a Rose Bowl game
806
00:43:33,225 --> 00:43:35,559
on the sidelines, 'cause
when I was a walk-on at USC,
807
00:43:35,561 --> 00:43:36,493
I never got to play.
808
00:43:38,731 --> 00:43:41,965
I was just having the time of my life.
809
00:43:41,967 --> 00:43:44,635
All of a sudden, one of O.J.'s
really, really good friends
810
00:43:44,637 --> 00:43:46,403
came up and tapped me on the shoulder.
811
00:43:46,405 --> 00:43:50,708
He said, "Hey, man, uh, O.J. had
a problem last night, you know,
812
00:43:50,710 --> 00:43:54,178
and, uh, he really needs to talk to you."
813
00:43:57,049 --> 00:43:57,915
It's over.
814
00:44:01,987 --> 00:44:05,522
When I called, he said, "Hey,
man, I had a little riff.
815
00:44:05,524 --> 00:44:06,724
Boys had to come out.
816
00:44:07,526 --> 00:44:09,046
Right now I feel like I'm a fugitive."
817
00:44:10,096 --> 00:44:13,097
And he explained to me
that they had an argument,
818
00:44:13,099 --> 00:44:15,332
and she got real physical with him,
819
00:44:15,334 --> 00:44:18,435
and he had to defend himself
and grab her and hold her...
820
00:44:18,437 --> 00:44:20,771
The way he... he told me
the story, I'm thinkin',
821
00:44:20,773 --> 00:44:23,874
"Hey, man, no big deal. You
know? Um, you didn't hit her.
822
00:44:23,876 --> 00:44:25,442
You know, you said she was aggressive,
823
00:44:25,444 --> 00:44:27,111
and you were trying to stop her from...
824
00:44:27,113 --> 00:44:31,081
from beating you up. Um, no big deal."
825
00:44:31,083 --> 00:44:33,951
And... And when I got to work the
next morning, it was a big deal.
826
00:44:38,958 --> 00:44:43,060
I got a call from downstairs,
"Someone wants to talk to you,"
827
00:44:43,062 --> 00:44:45,129
and there's Nicole in the lobby.
828
00:44:46,098 --> 00:44:47,698
"Hey, Nicole, what's up?"
829
00:44:47,700 --> 00:44:49,266
You know, she... she goes, "Did
you hear about what happened?"
830
00:44:49,268 --> 00:44:51,268
I said, "Yeah, I did hear what happened."
831
00:44:51,270 --> 00:44:53,337
And she told me it wasn't the first time.
832
00:44:54,907 --> 00:44:57,074
Showed me the pictures from the past...
833
00:44:57,076 --> 00:44:59,610
... beatings, and I
looked at those pictures
834
00:44:59,612 --> 00:45:01,845
and my heart just... just, like, dropped.
835
00:45:03,048 --> 00:45:05,449
I was like, "Man, this
guy is a typical batterer."
836
00:45:07,887 --> 00:45:12,890
The '89 thing, the way I saw
him act in Hawaii that Christmas
837
00:45:12,892 --> 00:45:14,224
convinced me that, um,
838
00:45:14,226 --> 00:45:16,894
boy, there was something
really, really wrong.
839
00:45:19,565 --> 00:45:24,067
He freaked out about Nicole
sitting their little son
840
00:45:24,069 --> 00:45:29,106
next to a homosexual in
a restaurant they were at.
841
00:45:29,108 --> 00:45:30,407
I mean, he just freaked.
842
00:45:31,744 --> 00:45:34,611
And they fought all the way back.
843
00:45:34,613 --> 00:45:39,583
The next day I got a call that, uh,
he freaked out on New Year's Eve,
844
00:45:39,585 --> 00:45:42,252
and he beat the hell out of her.
845
00:45:42,254 --> 00:45:45,455
Nicole knew that I used
to teach domestic violence
846
00:45:45,457 --> 00:45:46,977
for the Los Angeles Police Department.
847
00:45:47,293 --> 00:45:48,992
And she asked me,
848
00:45:49,862 --> 00:45:51,028
"O.J.'s dad is gay.
849
00:45:52,097 --> 00:45:56,066
Do you think this is why he beats me?"
850
00:45:57,937 --> 00:46:01,171
And I was like, "I... I,
you know, I don't know,
851
00:46:02,441 --> 00:46:04,842
but a lot of that stuff has
to do with their self-esteem."
852
00:46:09,648 --> 00:46:10,948
O.J. Simpson that night
853
00:46:11,851 --> 00:46:13,884
definitely got preferential treatment.
854
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:19,289
Had that have been anybody else,
you or me, we'd have gone to jail.
855
00:46:22,695 --> 00:46:23,861
I did place him under arrest.
856
00:46:24,730 --> 00:46:27,030
I tried my best, but couldn't get to him.
857
00:46:28,234 --> 00:46:30,968
But when you tell someone
they're under arrest,
858
00:46:30,970 --> 00:46:32,236
they are under arrest.
859
00:46:33,138 --> 00:46:35,806
If he flees, then, he's a fleeing felony.
860
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:43,547
But the unique thing
about O.J. is it was O.J.
861
00:46:43,549 --> 00:46:47,217
Where can he go? Where can he hide?
862
00:46:48,687 --> 00:46:49,953
Where can he run to...
863
00:46:51,257 --> 00:46:53,123
on the face of this earth?
864
00:46:54,660 --> 00:46:56,560
Where can he go?
865
00:47:40,639 --> 00:47:42,539
Now the story that
might never have surfaced
866
00:47:42,541 --> 00:47:44,808
if someone hadn't picked
up his home video camera.
867
00:47:47,046 --> 00:47:50,914
I can remember that moment
like it was yesterday.
868
00:47:50,916 --> 00:47:53,450
I was laying in my bed,
and I called out to my wife.
869
00:47:53,452 --> 00:47:55,986
I said, "You gotta come
see, you can't believe this."
870
00:47:57,556 --> 00:48:02,059
How will the police justify this one?
871
00:48:02,061 --> 00:48:04,861
How will they get out of this one?
872
00:48:06,432 --> 00:48:09,566
Police say the man,
25-year-old Rodney King,
873
00:48:09,568 --> 00:48:14,237
was involved in a high-speed
chase, wanted as a parole violator.
874
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:16,673
The police department says
there will be no comment
875
00:48:16,675 --> 00:48:18,575
until its investigation is complete.
876
00:48:18,577 --> 00:48:21,078
As yet, no charges have been filed.
877
00:48:22,781 --> 00:48:26,950
This is what happens
when you take away a tool
878
00:48:26,952 --> 00:48:30,020
that would have ended this in 10 seconds.
879
00:48:32,358 --> 00:48:33,390
Choke hold.
880
00:48:38,330 --> 00:48:41,898
Look how this thing looks.
You can't justify that.
881
00:48:46,138 --> 00:48:48,105
I was the captain at Watts at the time.
882
00:48:48,107 --> 00:48:49,506
Atten-hut.
883
00:48:49,508 --> 00:48:52,042
The next day, we had a training day.
884
00:48:52,044 --> 00:48:56,947
I remember standing in front of
all of the troops, and I told them,
885
00:48:56,949 --> 00:49:01,184
"The LAPD will never be the same again."
886
00:49:04,056 --> 00:49:05,522
Oh, it was devastating,
887
00:49:05,524 --> 00:49:08,525
because there's gonna be a
belief that if these guys do it,
888
00:49:08,527 --> 00:49:10,293
everybody else does it.
889
00:49:10,295 --> 00:49:12,829
Those guys driving down the street
in the black-and-white do that.
890
00:49:12,831 --> 00:49:14,297
And that's just not the case.
891
00:49:15,234 --> 00:49:18,635
But that visual image,
folks remember that,
892
00:49:18,637 --> 00:49:20,837
and they will take it to their grave.
893
00:49:20,839 --> 00:49:23,040
That home video showing a black motorist
894
00:49:23,042 --> 00:49:25,308
being beaten by a white
Los Angeles policeman
895
00:49:25,310 --> 00:49:28,045
has triggered investigations
now by the FBI,
896
00:49:28,047 --> 00:49:29,346
the district attorney there,
897
00:49:29,348 --> 00:49:30,981
and the police department itself.
898
00:49:30,983 --> 00:49:35,886
The media didn't give
LAPD a break on this one.
899
00:49:35,888 --> 00:49:39,923
They showed that tape
over and over and over.
900
00:49:39,925 --> 00:49:41,925
I mean, it wasn't just in Los Angeles.
901
00:49:41,927 --> 00:49:43,593
It was all over the world.
902
00:49:46,732 --> 00:49:48,732
I was embarrassed for Los Angeles.
903
00:49:50,736 --> 00:49:54,871
The real significance wasn't
what you saw on the tape.
904
00:49:54,873 --> 00:49:57,040
That tape became exhibit one
905
00:49:57,042 --> 00:50:01,578
for every mishandled abuse
and excessive force incident
906
00:50:01,580 --> 00:50:03,580
that anyone had ever experienced.
907
00:50:03,582 --> 00:50:05,115
This is an aberration.
908
00:50:05,117 --> 00:50:07,384
This is something that
should never have happened.
909
00:50:07,386 --> 00:50:10,720
We had in place all of the procedures
910
00:50:10,722 --> 00:50:12,956
that would keep it from happening.
911
00:50:12,958 --> 00:50:15,892
Those procedures fell down
because of human error.
912
00:50:15,894 --> 00:50:18,795
And we will deal with that human error.
913
00:50:18,797 --> 00:50:22,933
I believe things like that
do happen from time to time,
914
00:50:22,935 --> 00:50:24,134
but they are anomalies.
915
00:50:24,136 --> 00:50:26,937
That's not what happens all day, every day
916
00:50:26,939 --> 00:50:29,473
in the thousands of contacts that occur.
917
00:50:29,475 --> 00:50:31,408
I don't believe it. I'll never believe it.
918
00:50:31,410 --> 00:50:34,511
Daryl Gates started out
saying it was an aberration.
919
00:50:36,081 --> 00:50:40,317
And we say, "Darryl, don't
you remember Eulia Love?"
920
00:50:42,387 --> 00:50:45,789
I think the thing that's most
shocking about the King incident
921
00:50:45,791 --> 00:50:47,324
isn't even what happens to King.
922
00:50:48,427 --> 00:50:50,327
It's the fact that all those officers
923
00:50:50,329 --> 00:50:52,963
go back to their police
divisions that night,
924
00:50:52,965 --> 00:50:56,066
none of them knowing
that a video tape exists.
925
00:50:56,068 --> 00:50:58,001
They all file their reports
926
00:50:58,003 --> 00:51:01,438
and not one of 'em says, in any document,
927
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:03,073
that they saw anything go wrong.
928
00:51:04,276 --> 00:51:07,410
That suggests to me a culture in which
929
00:51:07,412 --> 00:51:10,080
this wasn't perceived as something wrong.
930
00:51:11,984 --> 00:51:13,316
In Los Angeles today,
931
00:51:13,318 --> 00:51:16,319
four men were arrested,
photographed, and fingerprinted.
932
00:51:16,321 --> 00:51:17,521
They were policemen,
933
00:51:17,523 --> 00:51:19,523
charged with assault with a deadly weapon
934
00:51:19,525 --> 00:51:21,691
in the beating of a black motorist.
935
00:51:21,693 --> 00:51:22,959
Named in the indictment:
936
00:51:22,961 --> 00:51:25,128
Officers Laurence Powell, Ted Briseno
937
00:51:25,130 --> 00:51:26,263
and Timothy Wind
938
00:51:26,265 --> 00:51:29,166
and their supervising
sergeant, Stacey Koon.
939
00:51:29,168 --> 00:51:32,869
The FBI will investigate
whether the federal civil rights
940
00:51:32,871 --> 00:51:35,872
of the victim, Rodney
King, have been violated.
941
00:51:35,874 --> 00:51:38,842
A story is not a story
unless there's conflict.
942
00:51:38,844 --> 00:51:41,011
Do you really wanna say this is a felon
943
00:51:41,013 --> 00:51:43,046
speeding on the freeway
under the influence
944
00:51:43,048 --> 00:51:45,382
of a hallucinogenic and/or alcohol,
945
00:51:45,384 --> 00:51:47,184
or do you wanna say he's a "motorist",
946
00:51:47,186 --> 00:51:49,686
and he was stopped by these racist cops?
947
00:51:49,688 --> 00:51:51,208
How do you know these cops are racist?
948
00:51:51,857 --> 00:51:53,056
They are not racist.
949
00:51:53,992 --> 00:51:56,893
The furor is only growing
with the revelations
950
00:51:56,895 --> 00:52:00,463
of police communications over
their in-car computer terminals.
951
00:52:00,465 --> 00:52:02,866
An earlier message from
the Powell-Wind unit
952
00:52:02,868 --> 00:52:06,436
referred to a previous call as
"'right out of Gorillas in the Mist."
953
00:52:08,373 --> 00:52:10,707
Has there been times
that we've been brutal,
954
00:52:10,709 --> 00:52:12,576
uh, used excessive force?
955
00:52:12,578 --> 00:52:14,044
Absolutely.
956
00:52:15,314 --> 00:52:19,482
The racist part is really
tough to choke down for me.
957
00:52:19,484 --> 00:52:22,852
During my 38 years there, I didn't see it.
958
00:52:22,854 --> 00:52:26,056
Civil rights organizations say
the Los Angeles police department
959
00:52:26,058 --> 00:52:28,758
has a history of brutality and misconduct
960
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:31,094
that goes back a quarter of a century,
961
00:52:31,096 --> 00:52:33,930
including one incident that
sparked the Watts riots.
962
00:52:33,932 --> 00:52:38,902
We want effective law-enforcement
in the city of Los Angeles.
963
00:52:38,904 --> 00:52:41,204
You take an oath to protect and serve,
964
00:52:41,206 --> 00:52:42,939
but when you come to the black community,
965
00:52:42,941 --> 00:52:44,975
all you do is abuse!
966
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:46,910
Hey, hey! Ho, ho!
967
00:52:46,912 --> 00:52:51,615
You can only take so many shots
publicly before your reputation
968
00:52:51,617 --> 00:52:56,486
is so soiled that it can be
manipulated over and over again.
969
00:52:57,956 --> 00:53:01,591
That will always be included
in the argument to demonstrate
970
00:53:01,593 --> 00:53:06,630
how brutal and insensitive
and racist the LAPD is.
971
00:53:06,632 --> 00:53:09,966
It's like you can't put Humpty
Dumpty back together again.
972
00:53:09,968 --> 00:53:13,937
We're outraged, we're disgusted,
and let's close this one with,
973
00:53:13,939 --> 00:53:19,276
No more! No more! No more!
No more! No more! No more!
974
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:48,438
It comes to Latasha Harlins,
coming to the counter
975
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,474
with what she was going
to buy in one hand,
976
00:53:51,476 --> 00:53:53,543
money in the other.
977
00:53:56,948 --> 00:53:58,481
Altercation,
978
00:54:03,021 --> 00:54:04,688
walks away,
979
00:54:06,091 --> 00:54:08,992
is shot in the back of the head.
980
00:54:13,031 --> 00:54:15,532
Latasha Harlins really hit home,
981
00:54:15,534 --> 00:54:18,068
because my daughter was the
same age as Latasha Harlins.
982
00:54:21,606 --> 00:54:25,008
Rodney King didn't touch me
as much as Latasha Harlins,
983
00:54:25,010 --> 00:54:26,576
because this girl was killed.
984
00:54:28,814 --> 00:54:32,382
She was a little teenage
girl buying some orange juice.
985
00:54:32,384 --> 00:54:33,384
Mm-mm.
986
00:54:35,220 --> 00:54:38,054
That... that could've been my child.
987
00:54:38,056 --> 00:54:39,522
Up until Saturday morning,
988
00:54:39,524 --> 00:54:43,026
Soon Ja Du was a Korean
grocer in Los Angeles.
989
00:54:43,028 --> 00:54:44,661
Now she's an alleged criminal,
990
00:54:44,663 --> 00:54:47,364
facing a first-degree murder charge.
991
00:54:47,366 --> 00:54:51,000
Well, at this time, she's looking
at a maximum of 30 years to life.
992
00:54:51,002 --> 00:54:54,037
According to witnesses and
a security camera video tape,
993
00:54:54,039 --> 00:54:56,740
Harlins never tried to steal the juice.
994
00:54:56,742 --> 00:55:00,310
Instead, investigators say
Du angrily confronted the girl
995
00:55:00,312 --> 00:55:03,046
and then shot her with
a .38 caliber handgun.
996
00:55:03,048 --> 00:55:06,383
I hope and I know that
justice will serve itself,
997
00:55:06,385 --> 00:55:08,385
and she will get what she deserved.
998
00:55:10,021 --> 00:55:14,591
Soon Ja Du had no
respect for that young...
999
00:55:15,694 --> 00:55:19,562
The way they beat Rodney King, okay?
1000
00:55:19,564 --> 00:55:21,698
Her shooting Latasha Harlins...
1001
00:55:21,700 --> 00:55:26,302
It's the same people, okay,
that are being victimized.
1002
00:55:28,774 --> 00:55:33,042
The recommendation of the
people was maximum state prison.
1003
00:55:33,044 --> 00:55:36,212
I think that the death
of Latasha deserved that.
1004
00:55:36,214 --> 00:55:38,348
The court decided otherwise.
1005
00:55:38,350 --> 00:55:41,084
Mrs. Du is placed on formal probation
1006
00:55:41,086 --> 00:55:44,120
for five years on the
following terms and conditions.
1007
00:55:44,122 --> 00:55:48,758
Mrs. Du is to perform 400
hours of community service.
1008
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:49,926
Get the cameras off!
1009
00:55:51,596 --> 00:55:53,930
No cameras! Get the camera out of my face!
1010
00:55:53,932 --> 00:55:56,032
The judge called for peace. She said...
1011
00:55:56,034 --> 00:55:59,035
How can you have peace when...?
1012
00:55:59,037 --> 00:56:02,939
What? This woman killed a child.
1013
00:56:02,941 --> 00:56:06,109
She killed a child and
not getting any jail time?
1014
00:56:06,111 --> 00:56:09,546
I... I... I haven't
gotten over that, really.
1015
00:56:09,548 --> 00:56:17,787
Wake up, Los Angeles! Wake up!
Let not her blood be in vain!
1016
00:56:17,789 --> 00:56:20,323
Latasha was killed, our family was killed.
1017
00:56:20,325 --> 00:56:22,058
- Yeah!
- That's right!
1018
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:25,562
Racism is not the Korean killing
her, racism is the courts system...
1019
00:56:25,564 --> 00:56:27,484
- That's right!
- ... that allows her to kill her.
1020
00:56:28,433 --> 00:56:29,732
Karlin must go! Karlin must go!
1021
00:56:29,734 --> 00:56:32,836
Chanting "Karlin must
go", angry protestors
1022
00:56:32,838 --> 00:56:36,005
stormed through security checkpoints
at the courthouse in Compton.
1023
00:56:38,477 --> 00:56:41,978
They are still outraged over
Judge Joyce Karlin's decision
1024
00:56:41,980 --> 00:56:45,281
not to send Latasha
Harlins' killer to jail.
1025
00:56:45,283 --> 00:56:49,018
They are willing to go to
jail to get their point across.
1026
00:56:49,020 --> 00:56:51,788
In the community, you go
to jail for selling crack
1027
00:56:51,790 --> 00:56:53,456
for 20 years, 20 and 30 years.
1028
00:56:53,458 --> 00:56:57,794
How you gonna kill
somebody and get probation?
1029
00:56:57,796 --> 00:57:00,029
What kind of sense does that make?
1030
00:57:00,031 --> 00:57:01,664
What kind of justice is that?
1031
00:57:05,504 --> 00:57:07,070
39th and Dalton,
1032
00:57:09,975 --> 00:57:11,841
then Rodney King,
1033
00:57:12,777 --> 00:57:15,411
then Latasha Harlins.
1034
00:57:16,448 --> 00:57:20,617
Three defining issues in different ways,
1035
00:57:20,619 --> 00:57:22,852
but the tension in the environment
1036
00:57:22,854 --> 00:57:27,924
and the disrespect shown
to Black life was the theme.
1037
00:57:33,865 --> 00:57:36,132
ESPN presents...
1038
00:57:38,503 --> 00:57:39,869
Sports Look
1039
00:57:41,006 --> 00:57:43,373
with the personalities and cover stories
1040
00:57:43,375 --> 00:57:45,775
making news in the world of sport.
1041
00:57:46,878 --> 00:57:50,246
Now, here's your host, Roy Firestone.
1042
00:57:50,248 --> 00:57:53,016
When you live your life
so publicly and, uh,
1043
00:57:53,018 --> 00:57:56,152
really almost with such ease,
1044
00:57:56,154 --> 00:57:59,188
uh, it's hard to believe that
there could ever be any rocky time.
1045
00:57:59,190 --> 00:58:00,690
The reason I'm bringing that to light now
1046
00:58:00,692 --> 00:58:02,392
is not to dredge it up again,
1047
00:58:02,394 --> 00:58:05,161
but more or less talk about
how things can get distorted
1048
00:58:05,163 --> 00:58:08,064
to such a point that you
are portrayed as the bad guy.
1049
00:58:08,066 --> 00:58:10,366
Um, New Year's Eve,
1050
00:58:10,368 --> 00:58:12,035
you had a little bit too much to drink.
1051
00:58:12,037 --> 00:58:13,069
- There was some...
- Uh, you know, that's...
1052
00:58:13,071 --> 00:58:14,537
You know, actually,
1053
00:58:14,539 --> 00:58:16,839
you know, my wife and I have
been together for 12 years
1054
00:58:16,841 --> 00:58:18,508
and it really... when I look at it,
1055
00:58:18,510 --> 00:58:20,009
it wasn't really that big of a fight,
1056
00:58:20,011 --> 00:58:23,046
it's just that because of,
uh, it being New Year's Eve...
1057
00:58:23,048 --> 00:58:24,080
Right.
1058
00:58:24,081 --> 00:58:25,113
... because it's three
o'clock in the mornin',
1059
00:58:25,116 --> 00:58:26,783
just finished a big party,
1060
00:58:26,785 --> 00:58:29,752
uh, it got a little verb...
it... it got a little loud.
1061
00:58:31,022 --> 00:58:33,022
Here's... here's my point,
the point I'm making, Juice...
1062
00:58:33,024 --> 00:58:33,957
Yeah.
1063
00:58:33,959 --> 00:58:35,925
... is that it got to such a point
1064
00:58:35,927 --> 00:58:38,895
that you were portrayed in the press
for a while there like a wife beater.
1065
00:58:38,897 --> 00:58:40,863
Yeah, well, and that bothered me.
1066
00:58:40,865 --> 00:58:42,865
Obviously, it bothered my whole family.
1067
00:58:42,867 --> 00:58:45,101
I mean, uh, you know, the
day after this was over,
1068
00:58:45,103 --> 00:58:46,035
you know, we looked at, say...
1069
00:58:46,037 --> 00:58:46,936
you know, we had a fight,
1070
00:58:46,938 --> 00:58:48,605
we were both guilty.
1071
00:58:48,607 --> 00:58:51,047
No one was hurt, was no big
deal, and we got on with our life.
1072
00:58:55,447 --> 00:58:59,048
I had always suspected that
they had violent fights.
1073
00:59:00,452 --> 00:59:04,887
The day of my wedding I
found out that Nicole and O.J.
1074
00:59:04,889 --> 00:59:06,209
were not going to be attending...
1075
00:59:07,626 --> 00:59:08,925
and he said it was because
1076
00:59:08,927 --> 00:59:13,029
Nicole was having very
bad cramps from her period.
1077
00:59:14,499 --> 00:59:16,065
I thought it was a lie.
1078
00:59:18,436 --> 00:59:22,438
It was always Nicole's fault.
I mean, even the '89 thing.
1079
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:24,641
When I cornered him
sitting on a golf cart,
1080
00:59:24,643 --> 00:59:26,109
I listened for nine holes,
1081
00:59:26,111 --> 00:59:28,945
everything that she did wrong
to create what had happened.
1082
00:59:28,947 --> 00:59:31,748
"You think that she's bruised
up, you should have seen my face,"
1083
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:34,517
you know, the... the whole pity
thing that he always went through.
1084
00:59:35,954 --> 00:59:40,023
I think anybody that
knew them... it was over.
1085
00:59:40,025 --> 00:59:43,793
Then it was a matter of when
would Nicole have the fortitude
1086
00:59:43,795 --> 00:59:46,062
to just completely walk away.
1087
00:59:49,934 --> 00:59:50,934
She said, "Ron,
1088
00:59:51,936 --> 00:59:54,270
if it wasn't for the
kids, I'd be out of here."
1089
00:59:55,774 --> 00:59:57,473
And then I get a call from O.J.
1090
00:59:57,475 --> 00:59:59,542
He says, "You gotta help me here.
1091
00:59:59,544 --> 01:00:02,045
You... you gotta help save this marriage.
1092
01:00:02,047 --> 01:00:06,516
You gotta talk to Nicole, tell
her I'll never do it again."
1093
01:00:06,518 --> 01:00:10,019
I saw her start to soften,
because by this time,
1094
01:00:10,021 --> 01:00:13,289
O.J. is just doing
everything with the kids.
1095
01:00:13,291 --> 01:00:14,724
And they're just having a great time,
1096
01:00:14,726 --> 01:00:16,292
he's taking them here,
he's taking them there.
1097
01:00:16,294 --> 01:00:17,694
She's looking at me goin',
1098
01:00:17,696 --> 01:00:22,365
"Hey, Ron, he's really
changing. He's really changing."
1099
01:00:25,136 --> 01:00:29,205
When it turned toward
the domestic violence,
1100
01:00:29,207 --> 01:00:32,909
that was one that nobody wanted to hear.
1101
01:00:32,911 --> 01:00:34,143
The police didn't wanna hear it,
1102
01:00:34,145 --> 01:00:36,679
most certainly Hertz didn't wanna hear it,
1103
01:00:36,681 --> 01:00:38,147
NBC didn't wanna hear it.
1104
01:00:38,149 --> 01:00:40,083
Nobody wanted to deal with that.
1105
01:00:40,085 --> 01:00:42,385
Back to you, Bob.
1106
01:00:45,056 --> 01:00:47,156
When we heard that, I thought that was it.
1107
01:00:47,158 --> 01:00:48,257
That's... it's over.
1108
01:00:50,095 --> 01:00:55,031
You know who called me to tell
me that it was a false arrest?
1109
01:00:55,033 --> 01:00:56,033
Nicole.
1110
01:00:57,902 --> 01:01:00,069
Nicole called me and said,
1111
01:01:00,071 --> 01:01:02,505
"Frank, it didn't happen that way."
1112
01:01:03,708 --> 01:01:07,610
They'd had a terrible
argument, but he wasn't abusive.
1113
01:01:07,612 --> 01:01:09,278
They just overreacted.
1114
01:01:11,883 --> 01:01:14,751
I certainly understand how
she got involved with him,
1115
01:01:14,753 --> 01:01:18,020
and I could understand how
hard it would be to leave that.
1116
01:01:19,591 --> 01:01:21,023
There was a lot to leave.
1117
01:01:22,060 --> 01:01:25,261
Especially if it was to go
back to your parents' house
1118
01:01:25,263 --> 01:01:27,997
in Laguna Beach and start over.
1119
01:01:29,934 --> 01:01:35,772
O.J. was the income
producer for the family.
1120
01:01:35,774 --> 01:01:39,275
For not only just Nicole and O.J.
1121
01:01:39,277 --> 01:01:44,981
but for Nicole's father,
and mother, sisters...
1122
01:01:44,983 --> 01:01:47,116
He was the... the money man.
1123
01:01:49,487 --> 01:01:54,490
Nicole told me that she felt
her family would side with O.J.
1124
01:01:54,492 --> 01:01:56,893
And that... and that
disturbed her a great deal.
1125
01:02:00,165 --> 01:02:02,632
Nicole was like the trophy to him.
1126
01:02:02,634 --> 01:02:05,001
You know, something
that... that he possessed,
1127
01:02:05,003 --> 01:02:07,069
that he wanted control of, you know?
1128
01:02:07,071 --> 01:02:09,572
And "You better do what
I say," but, you know,
1129
01:02:09,574 --> 01:02:11,107
"You better go along with this program."
1130
01:02:11,109 --> 01:02:14,343
I... I totally believe he
was concerned about his image.
1131
01:02:14,345 --> 01:02:16,279
What kind of public reaction did you get,
1132
01:02:16,281 --> 01:02:19,081
and what kind of corporate
reaction did you get, Juice?
1133
01:02:19,083 --> 01:02:22,852
Surprisingly, so supportive
it was unbelievable, you know?
1134
01:02:22,854 --> 01:02:24,420
So supportive, you know?
1135
01:02:24,422 --> 01:02:27,190
Uh, most of the people that
I work with know us real well,
1136
01:02:27,192 --> 01:02:29,992
so they can see first-hand that
there was, uh, you know, that,
1137
01:02:29,994 --> 01:02:31,627
hey, our relationship was as strong as...
1138
01:02:31,629 --> 01:02:35,331
not only as it's ever been, but
as strong as anybody's I know.
1139
01:02:35,333 --> 01:02:37,600
So nobody dropped you from any contracts?
1140
01:02:37,602 --> 01:02:38,801
- No. No. No.
- See, the one thing that...
1141
01:02:38,803 --> 01:02:40,536
another thing people
don't realize about O.J.
1142
01:02:40,538 --> 01:02:44,140
is he is extremely, uh, well-involved
in the business community.
1143
01:02:44,142 --> 01:02:46,275
And he doesn't wanna do this,
'cause it's embarrassing to him,
1144
01:02:46,277 --> 01:02:48,377
but he is one of the
owners of HoneyBaked Hams,
1145
01:02:48,379 --> 01:02:50,479
uh, Ramada Inns, a couple of Ramada Inns,
1146
01:02:50,481 --> 01:02:51,781
three Ramada Inns,
1147
01:02:51,783 --> 01:02:53,649
very involved, of course, with Hertz.
1148
01:02:53,651 --> 01:02:55,885
And when something like this happens,
1149
01:02:55,887 --> 01:02:56,886
it takes a toll,
1150
01:02:56,888 --> 01:02:59,055
it takes a bite out of it, but, you know,
1151
01:02:59,057 --> 01:03:00,823
it boun... you bounce back
from something like this.
1152
01:03:00,825 --> 01:03:03,793
Once they really,
really got back together,
1153
01:03:03,795 --> 01:03:05,494
you know, I mean, we were
still friends, you know,
1154
01:03:05,496 --> 01:03:07,296
I still know the guy and everything,
1155
01:03:07,298 --> 01:03:08,397
but, you know,
1156
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,900
he kinda had that, uh, attitude,
1157
01:03:10,902 --> 01:03:13,369
"I'm back. I knew I'd be back."
1158
01:03:13,371 --> 01:03:16,405
You know, "Hey... Don't worry about it."
1159
01:03:16,407 --> 01:03:18,040
You know, "Everything's fine."
1160
01:03:19,911 --> 01:03:24,046
This is where O.J. Simpson
performed community service
1161
01:03:24,048 --> 01:03:27,049
as part of his sentence for
beating his wife, Nicole.
1162
01:03:27,051 --> 01:03:30,519
For part of his punishment,
Simpson went golfing.
1163
01:03:30,521 --> 01:03:33,022
He spent his 120 hours
of community service
1164
01:03:33,024 --> 01:03:35,524
organizing a celebrity tournament.
1165
01:03:35,526 --> 01:03:39,095
Prosecutors in the case say
they wanted him to go to jail.
1166
01:03:44,035 --> 01:03:48,938
Can you imagine if every time he
did something violent like that
1167
01:03:48,940 --> 01:03:50,640
that a report would've been made?
1168
01:03:51,743 --> 01:03:54,844
When I got to the station,
I checked the computer,
1169
01:03:54,846 --> 01:04:00,683
there would have been eight previous
domestic incident reports on file.
1170
01:04:00,685 --> 01:04:03,352
Then I would have put that in my report
1171
01:04:03,354 --> 01:04:06,422
and sent it on to the prosecutor,
1172
01:04:06,424 --> 01:04:10,793
that most likely that would
have been filed as a felony.
1173
01:04:10,795 --> 01:04:15,131
Because it would have shown
that a slap on the hand
1174
01:04:15,133 --> 01:04:18,267
is not going to cure
this from happening again.
1175
01:04:19,370 --> 01:04:22,405
And that's why I hung onto the report.
1176
01:04:22,407 --> 01:04:24,974
I don't have a garage full of reports,
1177
01:04:24,976 --> 01:04:28,978
I have one report, one,
1178
01:04:28,980 --> 01:04:33,149
that was O.J. Simpson's
report because I thought
1179
01:04:33,151 --> 01:04:38,087
that the case might be
mishandled, and I needed proof
1180
01:04:38,089 --> 01:04:39,188
that it actually happened,
1181
01:04:41,092 --> 01:04:43,225
and I thought he was gonna kill her.
1182
01:04:54,772 --> 01:04:58,074
A controversial case involving
four Los Angeles police officers
1183
01:04:58,076 --> 01:04:59,275
goes to court today.
1184
01:04:59,277 --> 01:05:00,676
The officers face charges
1185
01:05:00,678 --> 01:05:03,079
stemming from the videotaped
beating of a motorist.
1186
01:05:03,081 --> 01:05:05,247
The case has already raised accusations
1187
01:05:05,249 --> 01:05:08,284
of officially-sanctioned
racism and brutality.
1188
01:05:08,286 --> 01:05:10,853
At issue is the use of force.
1189
01:05:10,855 --> 01:05:13,622
The question is whether
their force was justified
1190
01:05:13,624 --> 01:05:15,925
by King's behavior
before the camera rolled.
1191
01:05:18,029 --> 01:05:21,297
I don't think that that
should have been prosecuted.
1192
01:05:21,299 --> 01:05:23,132
Those officers had about
two seconds to make up
1193
01:05:23,134 --> 01:05:24,667
their mind to do something,
1194
01:05:24,669 --> 01:05:27,303
and they did what they
thought was right at the time.
1195
01:05:27,305 --> 01:05:29,505
When is too much? When is not enough?
1196
01:05:30,541 --> 01:05:32,675
Should they go to trial? Definitely not.
1197
01:05:34,479 --> 01:05:37,980
On film, what you see was illegal.
1198
01:05:37,982 --> 01:05:39,682
There had to be a prosecution,
1199
01:05:39,684 --> 01:05:44,987
and if there isn't a
legitimate reason for this,
1200
01:05:44,989 --> 01:05:47,223
there's jail time involved with this one.
1201
01:05:49,460 --> 01:05:51,994
I was fairly new to LA, so I'm thinkin',
1202
01:05:51,996 --> 01:05:57,400
"Hey, we got 'em... we got 'em
cold. This time we'll get justice."
1203
01:05:57,402 --> 01:06:00,870
And there were people who had lived
in those communities a long time,
1204
01:06:00,872 --> 01:06:01,971
and they were saying,
1205
01:06:01,973 --> 01:06:05,674
"Well, you know, maybe. I hope so.
1206
01:06:05,676 --> 01:06:07,076
But it's not a done deal."
1207
01:06:08,880 --> 01:06:11,647
In a brand-new courthouse
in a distant LA suburb
1208
01:06:11,649 --> 01:06:13,215
called Simi Valley,
1209
01:06:13,217 --> 01:06:16,352
the city's drama is putting
a little town on the map.
1210
01:06:16,354 --> 01:06:18,054
The defense had the trial moved
1211
01:06:18,056 --> 01:06:21,023
from Los Angeles county
to this bedroom suburb.
1212
01:06:21,025 --> 01:06:24,393
This area is notably more
white and conservative than LA.
1213
01:06:26,397 --> 01:06:28,197
It was a horrible decision.
1214
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,366
It was the worst possible decision.
1215
01:06:30,368 --> 01:06:33,936
And a lot of LAPD officers
live in Simi Valley.
1216
01:06:36,007 --> 01:06:38,541
The idea is that you get a
representative cross-section
1217
01:06:38,543 --> 01:06:40,943
of the community, that's what
the sixth amendment talks about,
1218
01:06:40,945 --> 01:06:44,280
and that people come in with
different life experiences,
1219
01:06:44,282 --> 01:06:45,581
because you really do need
1220
01:06:45,583 --> 01:06:48,084
the people to come from
different walks of life
1221
01:06:48,086 --> 01:06:51,587
so that you get a complete
understanding of the testimony.
1222
01:06:51,589 --> 01:06:53,889
Completely in fear for
my life, scared to death
1223
01:06:53,891 --> 01:06:56,025
that if this guy got back up,
1224
01:06:56,027 --> 01:06:57,927
he was gonna take my gun away from me.
1225
01:06:58,963 --> 01:07:01,597
Cases involving charges
against police officers
1226
01:07:01,599 --> 01:07:03,232
are rarely slam dunks.
1227
01:07:03,234 --> 01:07:05,301
Even when they're on videotape.
1228
01:07:05,303 --> 01:07:08,037
Do you believe that the
actions of your officers
1229
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:11,073
up to this point were having
any effect on Mr. King?
1230
01:07:11,075 --> 01:07:14,477
None at all. This was a managed
and controlled use of force.
1231
01:07:14,479 --> 01:07:16,112
It followed the policies and procedures
1232
01:07:16,114 --> 01:07:18,781
of Los Angeles Police
Department and the training.
1233
01:07:18,783 --> 01:07:21,450
Now, as the defense presents its case,
1234
01:07:21,452 --> 01:07:24,153
civil rights lawyers
like Johnny Cochran worry
1235
01:07:24,155 --> 01:07:26,655
that convictions are far from certain,
1236
01:07:26,657 --> 01:07:29,058
because the prosecutors
seem to lack experience
1237
01:07:29,060 --> 01:07:30,726
dealing with cops.
1238
01:07:30,728 --> 01:07:33,329
Somebody with some experience
has to stand up and say,
1239
01:07:33,331 --> 01:07:34,897
"Look, you can't get away with this.
1240
01:07:34,899 --> 01:07:37,233
This isn't right, and we're
not gonna let it happen."
1241
01:07:37,235 --> 01:07:39,568
The prosecution's strategy seems to be
1242
01:07:39,570 --> 01:07:43,072
to let the violence of the
videotape speak for itself.
1243
01:07:43,074 --> 01:07:46,976
But nobody is certain anymore what
that tape is saying to the jury.
1244
01:07:48,412 --> 01:07:51,814
I had been telling my
people at Time Magazine,
1245
01:07:51,816 --> 01:07:52,982
"There's something going on.
1246
01:07:53,851 --> 01:07:55,384
We need to pay attention.
1247
01:07:56,487 --> 01:07:59,855
There's a story here beyond this trial."
1248
01:08:02,326 --> 01:08:05,161
I just sensed there was this unrest.
1249
01:08:22,013 --> 01:08:25,814
The day started like any other
day, but it really wasn't.
1250
01:08:25,816 --> 01:08:28,284
We were waiting for the verdict
to be handed down in the trial
1251
01:08:28,286 --> 01:08:30,352
of the four white police officers
1252
01:08:30,354 --> 01:08:33,622
that were charged with
beating Rodney King.
1253
01:08:33,624 --> 01:08:35,057
Sergeant Koon, how are you feeling?
1254
01:08:36,060 --> 01:08:37,060
No comment.
1255
01:08:37,695 --> 01:08:39,195
I got up that morning and I said,
1256
01:08:39,197 --> 01:08:41,297
"I gotta go out there
and see what's going on."
1257
01:08:41,299 --> 01:08:43,866
So I got on the freeway and
started looking for Simi Valley.
1258
01:08:46,304 --> 01:08:48,571
It's a all-white town.
1259
01:08:48,573 --> 01:08:50,973
I only saw white people
out there that day,
1260
01:08:52,076 --> 01:08:56,645
and they wasn't that kind to me
when I was asking for direction.
1261
01:08:59,550 --> 01:09:01,383
I wanted to be there to witness it,
1262
01:09:02,320 --> 01:09:04,920
and I guess I thought that my being there
1263
01:09:04,922 --> 01:09:06,755
was gonna change something.
1264
01:09:06,757 --> 01:09:07,957
Title of accordant cause:
1265
01:09:09,060 --> 01:09:11,860
We the jury, in the above-entitled action,
1266
01:09:11,862 --> 01:09:12,895
find the defendant,
1267
01:09:12,897 --> 01:09:15,364
Laurence M. Powell not guilty of...
1268
01:09:19,070 --> 01:09:21,370
Man, you got to be kiddin'.
1269
01:09:21,372 --> 01:09:24,039
We the jury, in the above-entitled action,
1270
01:09:24,041 --> 01:09:26,575
find the defendant Theodore J. Briseno
1271
01:09:26,577 --> 01:09:29,378
not guilty of the crime of assault
1272
01:09:29,380 --> 01:09:32,014
by force likely to
produce great bodily injury
1273
01:09:32,016 --> 01:09:34,016
with a deadly weapon.
1274
01:09:34,018 --> 01:09:38,454
This 29th day of April,
1992, signed by the court.
1275
01:09:38,456 --> 01:09:39,655
Title of accordant cause:
1276
01:09:40,591 --> 01:09:43,525
We the jury, in the above-entitled action,
1277
01:09:43,527 --> 01:09:45,761
find the defendant, Timothy E. Wind,
1278
01:09:45,763 --> 01:09:48,764
not guilty of the crime
of assault by force
1279
01:09:48,766 --> 01:09:52,968
likely to produce great bodily
injury with a deadly weapon.
1280
01:09:52,970 --> 01:09:55,371
I was sitting in the bureau
the day of the verdict,
1281
01:09:55,373 --> 01:09:58,040
with all of my white
colleagues and friends.
1282
01:09:58,042 --> 01:09:59,074
We the jury...
1283
01:09:59,076 --> 01:10:01,310
And every time they said, "Not guilty"...
1284
01:10:01,312 --> 01:10:04,113
... the defendant, Stacey
C. Koon, not guilty...
1285
01:10:04,115 --> 01:10:08,617
... what I heard was, "Fuck
niggers. Not guilty. Fuck niggers."
1286
01:10:09,887 --> 01:10:13,489
No justice! No peace!
No justice! No peace!
1287
01:10:13,491 --> 01:10:16,792
I was at Parker Center when
the acquittals were announced.
1288
01:10:16,794 --> 01:10:19,828
And I recall some high-fives
and some fist-pumping in the air,
1289
01:10:19,830 --> 01:10:21,964
and, I mean, there were
clearly some people who felt
1290
01:10:21,966 --> 01:10:25,467
that the public misunderstood them,
that the media misunderstood them,
1291
01:10:25,469 --> 01:10:26,935
and that the jury got it right.
1292
01:10:26,937 --> 01:10:29,138
Well, first, all your
reaction to what has happened.
1293
01:10:30,274 --> 01:10:32,174
Very happy.
1294
01:10:37,648 --> 01:10:41,750
I'm glad the LAPD are
out there protecting me...
1295
01:10:43,154 --> 01:10:46,155
I wanted to believe that
the system would work
1296
01:10:46,157 --> 01:10:47,856
for black people in general,
1297
01:10:47,858 --> 01:10:50,025
even though I knew often it doesn't,
1298
01:10:50,027 --> 01:10:53,028
but this time, it should
work. And it didn't.
1299
01:10:53,030 --> 01:10:54,263
And all I felt like,
1300
01:10:54,265 --> 01:10:56,065
I just wanted to smack somebody white.
1301
01:10:57,968 --> 01:10:59,168
You're guilty!
1302
01:10:59,170 --> 01:11:01,303
Your skin color determines
what degree of justice
1303
01:11:01,305 --> 01:11:02,305
you have these days.
1304
01:11:04,141 --> 01:11:08,544
I don't think the community's
gonna take this lying down.
1305
01:11:08,546 --> 01:11:10,979
I don't think this is gonna be good.
1306
01:11:10,981 --> 01:11:14,183
No justice in America, not for the blacks!
1307
01:11:14,185 --> 01:11:17,353
The justice is for the other
man, not for the brother man!
1308
01:11:20,191 --> 01:11:23,659
Pastor, your reaction after
that first verdict was read?
1309
01:11:23,661 --> 01:11:28,464
Our reaction was almost
universal, utter pain.
1310
01:11:29,734 --> 01:11:32,067
Justice! Justice!
1311
01:11:32,069 --> 01:11:36,004
Rodney King did not
have a choirboy's record,
1312
01:11:36,006 --> 01:11:38,807
but Rodney King had the flesh and blood
1313
01:11:38,809 --> 01:11:41,577
of decency and humanity in his heart.
1314
01:11:41,579 --> 01:11:46,882
What they were beating is
every Black person in America.
1315
01:11:46,884 --> 01:11:48,417
Don't lay down for this shit!
1316
01:11:48,419 --> 01:11:52,254
We had an understanding
that the night of the verdict
1317
01:11:52,256 --> 01:11:55,090
we would assemble at First AME Church.
1318
01:11:56,160 --> 01:11:59,027
We'd been meeting with
the mayor to get ready.
1319
01:11:59,029 --> 01:12:00,429
I said Beverly Hills,
1320
01:12:00,431 --> 01:12:01,864
'cause this is some fucked-up
shit that happened, man.
1321
01:12:01,866 --> 01:12:02,931
- This is history...
- We're going to Westwood...
1322
01:12:02,933 --> 01:12:06,001
Brentwood, Whitewood. All that.
1323
01:12:06,003 --> 01:12:10,038
We were gonna send out groups of young men
1324
01:12:10,040 --> 01:12:14,510
to walk the streets and
keep everything in order.
1325
01:12:20,451 --> 01:12:24,887
I had spent weeks talking to
Black clergy, gang members,
1326
01:12:24,889 --> 01:12:30,692
and they were very upfront about
what they believed would happen.
1327
01:12:30,694 --> 01:12:32,054
"Yeah, there's gonna be violence."
1328
01:12:33,631 --> 01:12:37,966
So we had everything prepared.
We had the copter fully fueled.
1329
01:12:37,968 --> 01:12:39,234
It seems like the only people
1330
01:12:39,236 --> 01:12:41,069
that didn't know that
there would be a riot
1331
01:12:41,071 --> 01:12:42,871
was the news media and the LAPD.
1332
01:12:44,642 --> 01:12:49,077
You're looking at a live picture
here at Normandie and Florence.
1333
01:12:49,079 --> 01:12:51,780
There has been a
mini-riot at this location.
1334
01:12:51,782 --> 01:12:54,082
There's now been a tactical alert.
1335
01:12:54,084 --> 01:12:59,154
Officers have been ordered to
stay out of this general area.
1336
01:12:59,156 --> 01:13:01,557
We're gonna try to get you
more information on that.
1337
01:13:03,461 --> 01:13:05,060
Even before the verdict,
1338
01:13:05,062 --> 01:13:07,796
Los Angeles police chief
Daryl Gates was criticized
1339
01:13:07,798 --> 01:13:09,731
for preparing for unrest in the event
1340
01:13:09,733 --> 01:13:11,667
four of his officers were acquitted.
1341
01:13:11,669 --> 01:13:13,335
But when the rioting began,
1342
01:13:13,337 --> 01:13:15,938
where were the police and firefighters?
1343
01:13:22,179 --> 01:13:25,113
My most striking memory is of
members of the police commission
1344
01:13:25,115 --> 01:13:26,815
desperately trying to find Gates.
1345
01:13:26,817 --> 01:13:28,951
Which is just shocking, if you
think about it in retrospect,
1346
01:13:28,953 --> 01:13:30,419
that the verdicts in the Rodney King case
1347
01:13:30,421 --> 01:13:31,987
were coming down and the
chief was not at Parker Center.
1348
01:13:31,989 --> 01:13:35,023
Gates had driven to this
house in ritzy Brentwood
1349
01:13:35,025 --> 01:13:38,594
to campaign against a
police reform initiative.
1350
01:13:38,596 --> 01:13:41,997
Fighting police reform,
that's what he was doing.
1351
01:13:41,999 --> 01:13:46,034
He abandoned his post
1352
01:13:46,036 --> 01:13:49,972
and left his troops in a shameful state.
1353
01:13:54,712 --> 01:13:56,678
The LAPD response was tepid.
1354
01:13:59,517 --> 01:14:02,451
All of the media gets
on the police department,
1355
01:14:02,453 --> 01:14:03,519
the people are screaming,
1356
01:14:03,521 --> 01:14:05,554
"We have an occupying force."
1357
01:14:05,556 --> 01:14:07,823
Well, gee, we don't wanna
look like an occupying force,
1358
01:14:07,825 --> 01:14:09,625
so maybe we'll just sit
here until it blows over.
1359
01:14:09,627 --> 01:14:11,093
That type of crap goes on.
1360
01:14:12,730 --> 01:14:14,029
And we were furious.
1361
01:14:21,539 --> 01:14:23,906
- Fuck the police!
- Fuck 'em! Fuck 'em!
1362
01:14:27,645 --> 01:14:29,811
Chaos at this particular location.
1363
01:14:30,981 --> 01:14:35,684
To see the very start of the
violence was very troubling.
1364
01:14:35,686 --> 01:14:39,054
What made it really troubling
was there was no police presence.
1365
01:14:39,056 --> 01:14:41,156
There's a van coming under attack.
1366
01:14:41,158 --> 01:14:42,925
They're pulling the driver out of the van,
1367
01:14:42,927 --> 01:14:45,561
and they're kicking the
driver and beating the driver.
1368
01:14:45,563 --> 01:14:47,663
We captured what essentially became
1369
01:14:47,665 --> 01:14:51,266
the bookend to the Rodney King beating.
1370
01:14:51,268 --> 01:14:53,502
There's another driver, badly beaten.
1371
01:14:53,504 --> 01:14:55,103
In the case of Reginald Denny,
1372
01:14:55,105 --> 01:14:58,674
we had black gang members
beating a white man.
1373
01:14:58,676 --> 01:15:00,943
Oh, look at that. Terrible.
1374
01:15:00,945 --> 01:15:03,545
And there's no police presence down here.
1375
01:15:03,547 --> 01:15:04,846
They will not enter the area.
1376
01:15:06,417 --> 01:15:09,751
That was the most disgusting thing
I've seen in my entire career.
1377
01:15:09,753 --> 01:15:12,621
Two blocks away we had a
platoon of metro division.
1378
01:15:12,623 --> 01:15:15,057
We could have cleared that
intersection in a minute.
1379
01:15:15,059 --> 01:15:16,525
But the commander there
1380
01:15:16,527 --> 01:15:18,727
didn't wanna release 'em to
do it, because of imagery.
1381
01:15:18,729 --> 01:15:20,128
We're on live television.
1382
01:15:20,130 --> 01:15:22,798
We're seeing a dark
day here in Los Angeles.
1383
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,100
The LAPD is nowhere to be found.
1384
01:15:25,102 --> 01:15:26,735
So we're sitting there in our uniforms
1385
01:15:26,737 --> 01:15:29,271
watching this poor truck
driver get his head beat in.
1386
01:15:29,273 --> 01:15:31,073
Nobody's doing a damn thing about it.
1387
01:15:31,075 --> 01:15:32,075
We're screamin'.
1388
01:15:32,876 --> 01:15:34,343
Nobody would even move on it.
1389
01:15:42,720 --> 01:15:43,852
How are you this evening?
1390
01:15:44,755 --> 01:15:46,054
- Angry.
- Angry?
1391
01:15:47,992 --> 01:15:50,959
The jury is trying to tell
us we didn't see what we saw.
1392
01:15:52,763 --> 01:15:56,398
We've been the victims of
police brutality in this town
1393
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:57,899
for too long!
1394
01:16:02,906 --> 01:16:04,506
We didn't come here tonight to mourn.
1395
01:16:04,508 --> 01:16:06,975
We came here tonight to say who we are.
1396
01:16:08,078 --> 01:16:10,245
And we ain't gonna take
this business lying down.
1397
01:16:11,515 --> 01:16:13,015
And we ain't gonna tear up our community
1398
01:16:13,017 --> 01:16:14,449
to be proving their point.
1399
01:16:16,520 --> 01:16:19,921
Mark Brown, Channel Seven
waved at the monitor and said,
1400
01:16:19,923 --> 01:16:23,925
"The city's on fire. It's on fire."
1401
01:16:24,795 --> 01:16:26,995
And I looked at him and said, "My God."
1402
01:16:26,997 --> 01:16:29,431
I had no idea it was
right across the street.
1403
01:16:29,433 --> 01:16:30,433
Literally.
1404
01:16:31,001 --> 01:16:33,268
The gas station was on fire.
1405
01:16:40,444 --> 01:16:44,379
What I didn't anticipate
personally and professionally
1406
01:16:44,381 --> 01:16:47,516
was the response of the community.
1407
01:16:50,621 --> 01:16:53,755
I went on the streets, and
Western Avenue was in flames.
1408
01:16:55,793 --> 01:17:00,962
And this crowd is gathering,
and the police have now come,
1409
01:17:00,964 --> 01:17:03,965
and there's one guy, and
he's screaming his head off,
1410
01:17:03,967 --> 01:17:05,967
"Burn, baby, burn!
1411
01:17:05,969 --> 01:17:08,870
How you like me now, Mr. Policeman?"
1412
01:17:12,509 --> 01:17:14,976
And I felt his pain.
1413
01:17:19,817 --> 01:17:21,183
I just didn't get it.
1414
01:17:21,185 --> 01:17:24,119
I just didn't understand
burning down your own community.
1415
01:17:25,923 --> 01:17:27,422
I didn't get what it proved.
1416
01:17:32,863 --> 01:17:36,064
Here are people who feel
like they have no stake,
1417
01:17:36,066 --> 01:17:37,899
nobody's paying any attention to them.
1418
01:17:39,069 --> 01:17:41,703
This is the only way we
can get any attention.
1419
01:17:47,678 --> 01:17:50,679
As it got darker, a
crowd began to gather out
1420
01:17:50,681 --> 01:17:52,041
in front of the police department.
1421
01:17:54,017 --> 01:17:55,917
It got increasingly unruly.
1422
01:17:56,754 --> 01:17:58,453
Someone grabbed me and tore my shirt
1423
01:17:58,455 --> 01:18:00,021
and said something about, you know,
1424
01:18:00,023 --> 01:18:02,023
"You fucking newsmen.
Why do you tell lies?"
1425
01:18:06,764 --> 01:18:11,099
It is the most physically-frightening
situation that I've ever been part of.
1426
01:18:21,311 --> 01:18:22,944
Guy pulls up, and he goes,
1427
01:18:22,946 --> 01:18:26,047
"Mike, whatever you do,
don't go to the command post.
1428
01:18:26,049 --> 01:18:27,949
Go to the police station down the street.
1429
01:18:27,951 --> 01:18:31,052
Because it's very violent out there."
1430
01:18:31,054 --> 01:18:34,222
I looked at him, and I
thought, "What a coward he is,"
1431
01:18:34,224 --> 01:18:40,162
get in the car, make the first turn,
and the car gets lit up by gunfire.
1432
01:18:40,164 --> 01:18:42,898
So I go, "Okay. Now I know
what he's talking about."
1433
01:18:42,900 --> 01:18:45,600
So I took my .45 out, I put it on my lap,
1434
01:18:45,602 --> 01:18:48,270
I took a big gulp of Copenhagen,
1435
01:18:48,272 --> 01:18:51,106
stuck it down my mouth,
turned off the lights
1436
01:18:51,108 --> 01:18:53,408
and drove as fast as I
could to the command post.
1437
01:18:56,947 --> 01:19:01,850
Hindsight, the overall management
could've been done much better,
1438
01:19:09,026 --> 01:19:14,196
but once it got away
from us, we were cooked.
1439
01:19:45,662 --> 01:19:47,028
911 Emergency.
1440
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:49,497
Yeah, can you send someone to my house?
1441
01:19:49,499 --> 01:19:50,966
What's the problem there?
1442
01:19:50,968 --> 01:19:52,968
Well, my ex-husband, or my husband,
1443
01:19:52,970 --> 01:19:54,469
just broke into my house,
1444
01:19:54,471 --> 01:19:56,071
and he's ranting and raving.
1445
01:19:56,073 --> 01:19:58,173
Now he's just walked
out on the front yard.
1446
01:19:58,175 --> 01:19:59,975
Has he been drinking or anything?
1447
01:19:59,977 --> 01:20:01,843
No, but he's crazy.
1448
01:20:01,845 --> 01:20:03,478
Is he black, white, or Hispanic?
1449
01:20:03,480 --> 01:20:04,646
Black.
1450
01:20:04,648 --> 01:20:06,348
What's he wearing right now?
1451
01:20:06,350 --> 01:20:08,917
Black pants and a golf shirt.
1452
01:20:08,919 --> 01:20:10,151
You said he hasn't been drinking?
1453
01:20:10,153 --> 01:20:11,153
- No.
- Did he hit you?
1454
01:20:11,655 --> 01:20:12,838
No.
1455
01:20:12,839 --> 01:20:14,022
Do you have a restraining
order against him?
1456
01:20:14,024 --> 01:20:15,090
No.
1457
01:20:15,092 --> 01:20:16,558
What's your name?
1458
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:17,726
Nicole Simpson.
1459
01:20:17,728 --> 01:20:18,693
Your address?
1460
01:20:18,695 --> 01:20:21,730
325 Gretna Green Way.
1461
01:20:21,732 --> 01:20:23,331
Okay, we'll send police out.
1462
01:20:23,333 --> 01:20:24,633
- Thank you.
- Uh-huh.
1463
01:20:27,404 --> 01:20:31,740
When Nicole first decided to leave O.J.,
1464
01:20:31,742 --> 01:20:33,074
she came to me.
1465
01:20:34,011 --> 01:20:36,344
She said, "I wanna move
out" and at that time,
1466
01:20:36,346 --> 01:20:37,646
I was doing real estate.
1467
01:20:38,548 --> 01:20:40,649
And then we had to sell O.J. on the idea.
1468
01:20:41,852 --> 01:20:44,452
He was obsessed with controlling Nicole.
1469
01:20:44,454 --> 01:20:47,088
I said, "Look, O.J.,
we'll get her a lease."
1470
01:20:47,090 --> 01:20:48,790
He goes, "Three months."
1471
01:20:48,792 --> 01:20:54,729
I said, "We'll get her a year lease.
You know? It'll be right nearby.
1472
01:20:54,731 --> 01:20:57,933
You can go to therapy and see
if you can work things out.
1473
01:20:57,935 --> 01:20:59,868
But she needs her space."
1474
01:21:00,737 --> 01:21:02,337
He really didn't wanna do it.
1475
01:21:15,719 --> 01:21:17,819
I think for the first time she felt free.
1476
01:21:19,089 --> 01:21:21,957
It was like she just came
into that sense of self,
1477
01:21:21,959 --> 01:21:25,360
that she was really ready to
do life for her and her kids.
1478
01:21:28,065 --> 01:21:30,131
She responded great to being divorced.
1479
01:21:31,168 --> 01:21:34,069
She was really enjoying her life,
1480
01:21:34,071 --> 01:21:37,806
going out and not being Mrs. Simpson,
1481
01:21:37,808 --> 01:21:39,040
being Nicole Brown.
1482
01:21:39,977 --> 01:21:42,410
She wanted to pursue
her photography career,
1483
01:21:42,412 --> 01:21:45,914
and she wanted to have
a normal life again.
1484
01:21:50,954 --> 01:21:52,253
It was a beautiful day,
1485
01:21:52,255 --> 01:21:54,856
and we skied down to the
bottom of the mountain.
1486
01:21:54,858 --> 01:21:58,026
And everybody's gathering on
the deck, having a great time.
1487
01:21:58,028 --> 01:22:00,428
I looked across the
deck, and I said, "Wow."
1488
01:22:00,430 --> 01:22:02,330
I said that, "That is absolutely
the most stunning woman
1489
01:22:02,332 --> 01:22:03,665
I've ever seen in my life.
1490
01:22:03,667 --> 01:22:05,667
I have to find a way to
introduce myself to her."
1491
01:22:05,669 --> 01:22:06,669
So I did.
1492
01:22:08,005 --> 01:22:09,871
When I got back to LA
several months later,
1493
01:22:09,873 --> 01:22:11,606
we spent more time together.
1494
01:22:11,608 --> 01:22:14,042
Her and friends came
by Mezzaluna one night,
1495
01:22:14,044 --> 01:22:17,012
and we're having a good
time, and, all of a sudden,
1496
01:22:17,014 --> 01:22:18,947
I see the Bentley come screeching up
1497
01:22:18,949 --> 01:22:20,215
to the front of the door.
1498
01:22:20,984 --> 01:22:22,984
He comes in, walks
straight over to our table,
1499
01:22:22,986 --> 01:22:24,452
slams his hands down,
1500
01:22:24,454 --> 01:22:26,454
looks me straight in the eye and says,
1501
01:22:26,456 --> 01:22:28,690
"I'm O.J. Simpson, and
she's still my wife."
1502
01:22:29,893 --> 01:22:31,826
I was sort of love-blind,
1503
01:22:31,828 --> 01:22:34,329
so I didn't get up, I didn't
run, I didn't back down,
1504
01:22:34,331 --> 01:22:36,831
I just stood my ground from day one.
1505
01:22:36,833 --> 01:22:39,267
And that's when she
started to open up to me.
1506
01:22:41,638 --> 01:22:45,140
She told me about years
of abuse at his hands.
1507
01:23:02,092 --> 01:23:04,893
He would beat her and lock
her in closets at hotels
1508
01:23:04,895 --> 01:23:07,028
because she asked where he was at
1509
01:23:07,030 --> 01:23:08,463
when he was out cheating on her.
1510
01:23:15,439 --> 01:23:19,040
She was told how to look,
told how to wear her hair,
1511
01:23:19,042 --> 01:23:19,908
told how to dress,
1512
01:23:19,910 --> 01:23:21,709
told where to be, what time to be,
1513
01:23:21,711 --> 01:23:24,479
how to be, everything for O.J. Simpson.
1514
01:23:25,582 --> 01:23:29,184
Kind of a reverse slavery
thing. Uh, very, very odd.
1515
01:23:29,186 --> 01:23:31,886
You know, "That's, uh,
that's my property,"
1516
01:23:31,888 --> 01:23:33,822
and he always said, "That's my booty."
1517
01:23:35,392 --> 01:23:36,891
The two sides of O.J.,
1518
01:23:36,893 --> 01:23:39,094
the O.J. that everybody sees on TV...
1519
01:23:39,096 --> 01:23:41,062
And when the Cowboys
brought in their big back,
1520
01:23:41,064 --> 01:23:44,099
that they didn't make good
tackles on them, so the coach
1521
01:23:44,101 --> 01:23:46,201
was on their cases to make better tackles,
1522
01:23:46,203 --> 01:23:47,602
as my family throws snowballs at me.
1523
01:23:47,604 --> 01:23:49,037
Incidentally, uh...
1524
01:23:49,039 --> 01:23:51,706
That's not the O.J. that
there was behind closed doors,
1525
01:23:51,708 --> 01:23:53,675
certainly not with her,
and she told me that.
1526
01:23:55,145 --> 01:23:57,812
"Don't ever be left alone with him,
1527
01:23:57,814 --> 01:23:59,534
'cause you don't know
what he's capable of."
1528
01:24:01,785 --> 01:24:06,154
He had her followed, and he
would plant people in our group
1529
01:24:06,156 --> 01:24:10,558
that would call him and tell him
where we're going every night.
1530
01:24:10,560 --> 01:24:11,826
He would either show up
1531
01:24:11,828 --> 01:24:15,063
or have a spy planted there at the club
1532
01:24:15,065 --> 01:24:17,565
so they could watch her every move.
1533
01:24:17,567 --> 01:24:21,669
He never relinquished control.
He never would really let go.
1534
01:24:23,306 --> 01:24:26,641
He would tell me that
Nicole tried to get him back,
1535
01:24:26,643 --> 01:24:30,245
that she was actually taking
golf lessons at Riviera.
1536
01:24:30,247 --> 01:24:33,648
And he had a girlfriend, you know, Paula.
1537
01:24:33,650 --> 01:24:36,050
And he seemed enthralled with her.
1538
01:24:38,622 --> 01:24:42,023
O.J.'s personality had totally changed,
1539
01:24:42,025 --> 01:24:44,592
and I didn't think it
was just the divorce.
1540
01:24:44,594 --> 01:24:47,328
Because his womanizing didn't change.
1541
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:52,000
He was truly the most jealous
person I ever met in my life.
1542
01:24:52,002 --> 01:24:54,702
He was as jealous as he
was a good football player.
1543
01:24:57,340 --> 01:24:58,706
I saw the anger,
1544
01:24:58,708 --> 01:25:01,976
I saw the rage in his
face on several occasions.
1545
01:25:01,978 --> 01:25:04,112
At me, in particular, and at her.
1546
01:25:07,817 --> 01:25:11,653
There was an incident where
we went over to Roxbury,
1547
01:25:11,655 --> 01:25:13,121
a hot club at the time in LA,
1548
01:25:13,123 --> 01:25:15,089
and we get in, and she's dancing.
1549
01:25:16,493 --> 01:25:20,962
Maybe 20, 30 minutes go by, and
I see her coming back towards me.
1550
01:25:20,964 --> 01:25:26,868
She goes, "O.J.'s here."
And I go, "Ha. Great. Again."
1551
01:25:26,870 --> 01:25:28,903
You know, she goes, "Let's
just get out of here."
1552
01:25:28,905 --> 01:25:30,305
And I say, "I couldn't agree more."
1553
01:25:31,374 --> 01:25:33,808
So we drive back to her
house on Gretna Green.
1554
01:25:36,079 --> 01:25:39,547
We go inside, and, uh, we became romantic.
1555
01:25:41,051 --> 01:25:44,118
We were off in a private area
in one of the living rooms,
1556
01:25:46,923 --> 01:25:51,025
and the next day he came over
and pushed in the back door,
1557
01:25:51,027 --> 01:25:52,060
confronted both of us,
1558
01:25:52,062 --> 01:25:54,362
and he wanted to talk to her alone.
1559
01:25:54,364 --> 01:25:56,231
She was trembling, standing next to me,
1560
01:25:56,233 --> 01:25:58,066
holding my hand, shaking.
1561
01:25:58,068 --> 01:25:59,734
And she said,
1562
01:25:59,736 --> 01:26:02,656
"Keith, I think you need to leave me
alone with him for a couple minutes."
1563
01:26:03,873 --> 01:26:05,373
I could hear him screaming at her,
1564
01:26:05,375 --> 01:26:07,542
I could hear him using disparaging terms
1565
01:26:07,544 --> 01:26:08,843
about her and me.
1566
01:26:09,746 --> 01:26:13,548
They walked out, and he was O.J. again.
1567
01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:14,849
Shook my hand.
1568
01:26:15,518 --> 01:26:17,085
"Sorry, dude. No hard feelings."
1569
01:26:17,087 --> 01:26:20,521
You know, "I'm a very proud man."
1570
01:26:20,523 --> 01:26:21,643
And he walked out the house.
1571
01:26:22,959 --> 01:26:27,929
And she turned to me, and she was
white as a ghost, and she said,
1572
01:26:27,931 --> 01:26:30,265
"Oh, my God, Keith. He watched us."
1573
01:26:33,937 --> 01:26:36,437
And everything changed from that point on.
1574
01:26:37,974 --> 01:26:40,942
We realized we weren't safe anymore.
1575
01:26:40,944 --> 01:26:44,279
We realized that nothing was off limits.
1576
01:26:47,150 --> 01:26:53,054
I think she knew O.J. was
always a presence. She hated it.
1577
01:26:53,056 --> 01:26:56,824
She couldn't even explore
being single again and...
1578
01:26:56,826 --> 01:26:58,559
and free and having fun,
1579
01:26:58,561 --> 01:27:02,797
because everybody was still
being manipulated by O.J.
1580
01:27:06,636 --> 01:27:08,670
When he found out that
she had been with Marcus,
1581
01:27:08,672 --> 01:27:11,673
that's... that was a real issue.
1582
01:27:11,675 --> 01:27:13,274
It's a time you look the competition
1583
01:27:13,276 --> 01:27:14,742
right in the face and say,
1584
01:27:14,744 --> 01:27:16,644
- "Look, I'm better than you."
- No, I'm better than you.
1585
01:27:16,646 --> 01:27:17,979
You may be younger, but you ain't better.
1586
01:27:17,981 --> 01:27:18,913
Yo, who started?
1587
01:27:18,915 --> 01:27:20,348
And don't be taking my number either.
1588
01:27:20,350 --> 01:27:21,649
Besides, I'm better lookin'.
1589
01:27:21,651 --> 01:27:23,284
I'm tired of you trying to be like me.
1590
01:27:23,286 --> 01:27:26,587
I remember going with O.J.
to watch Marcus play at USC.
1591
01:27:30,427 --> 01:27:33,061
He was kinda like a mentor to Marcus.
1592
01:27:35,832 --> 01:27:38,800
They were extremely close. Extremely.
1593
01:27:38,802 --> 01:27:40,868
You know, Marcus got
married at O.J.'s house.
1594
01:27:42,672 --> 01:27:46,007
I think she always
festered a crush for Marcus.
1595
01:27:46,009 --> 01:27:48,676
And he was the only person in her life
1596
01:27:48,678 --> 01:27:52,046
that was as famous and as strong as O.J.
1597
01:27:53,283 --> 01:27:56,751
And so I think she felt in a
way that she was safe with him.
1598
01:28:01,825 --> 01:28:03,524
O.J. said, "Marcus, we're 'SC guys.
1599
01:28:04,861 --> 01:28:07,381
We don't do that to each other.
What the hell's wrong with you?"
1600
01:28:09,899 --> 01:28:12,367
He was a younger version of O.J.
1601
01:28:12,369 --> 01:28:15,903
He was almost like the
newer, bigger, better version.
1602
01:28:17,073 --> 01:28:19,907
I had no... no idea whatsoever,
1603
01:28:19,909 --> 01:28:23,978
uh, that they were carrying
on some kind of affair.
1604
01:28:23,980 --> 01:28:25,079
I was a bit stunned.
1605
01:28:26,383 --> 01:28:29,784
Did you ever have a romantic
relationship with Nicole?
1606
01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,186
No, I did not.
1607
01:28:32,188 --> 01:28:35,490
No kind of sexual or romantic involvement
1608
01:28:35,492 --> 01:28:36,591
did you ever have with her?
1609
01:28:36,593 --> 01:28:37,959
None whatsoever.
1610
01:28:39,062 --> 01:28:41,929
I really do not wanna
talk about that at all.
1611
01:28:43,032 --> 01:28:45,266
Sometimes I'll try to sing,
but I'm not gonna do it.
1612
01:28:45,268 --> 01:28:47,335
Tonight I got this tequila in me.
1613
01:28:47,337 --> 01:28:49,904
The girl I came here with said to me,
1614
01:28:49,906 --> 01:28:51,506
"Is this a blues place?"
1615
01:28:51,508 --> 01:28:53,274
I said, "Oh, no, no, no.
This is rhythm and blues."
1616
01:28:54,110 --> 01:28:56,577
Speaking of that lady
I was talking about...
1617
01:28:56,579 --> 01:28:57,512
There she is.
1618
01:28:57,514 --> 01:28:59,080
With another shot of this tequila.
1619
01:28:59,082 --> 01:29:00,281
Now, watch her... Yeah, that's right.
1620
01:29:00,283 --> 01:29:01,282
Now, watch her sing.
1621
01:29:01,284 --> 01:29:03,050
I don't know if... Oh, my God.
1622
01:29:04,187 --> 01:29:05,187
That's right.
1623
01:29:06,022 --> 01:29:07,889
We're live right now all across America,
1624
01:29:07,891 --> 01:29:09,424
and she is my woman.
1625
01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:12,093
I'm taking her tequila.
1626
01:29:12,095 --> 01:29:13,694
That's why I'm not singing tonight.
1627
01:29:14,898 --> 01:29:17,365
When they initially got back together,
1628
01:29:17,367 --> 01:29:18,967
I was the first person she told about it.
1629
01:29:19,869 --> 01:29:22,870
He had told her, "I'm
changed. I'm a new man.
1630
01:29:22,872 --> 01:29:24,105
Let me prove this to ya."
1631
01:29:25,608 --> 01:29:29,911
She said, "We're gonna date first,
and I'm not giving up my house,
1632
01:29:29,913 --> 01:29:32,079
and we're gonna see how it goes."
1633
01:29:32,081 --> 01:29:34,949
That was how they tried to reconcile.
1634
01:29:34,951 --> 01:29:39,020
She said all she really
ever wanted was her family.
1635
01:29:41,925 --> 01:29:46,561
It's almost like she risked everything
to have that unit back together.
1636
01:29:53,503 --> 01:29:55,269
911 Emergency. What is the... ?
1637
01:29:55,271 --> 01:29:58,439
Can you get someone over
here now, to 325 Gretna Green?
1638
01:29:58,441 --> 01:30:00,007
He's back. Please.
1639
01:30:00,009 --> 01:30:01,576
Okay. What does he look like?
1640
01:30:01,578 --> 01:30:03,945
He's O.J. Simpson. I
think you know his record.
1641
01:30:03,947 --> 01:30:05,746
Could you just send somebody over here?
1642
01:30:05,748 --> 01:30:06,914
Okay. What is he doing there?
1643
01:30:06,916 --> 01:30:08,516
He's just... All this again.
1644
01:30:08,518 --> 01:30:10,318
Could you just send somebody over?
1645
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:11,619
Wait a minute. What kind of car is he... ?
1646
01:30:11,621 --> 01:30:13,187
We were filming another Naked Gun movie,
1647
01:30:13,189 --> 01:30:16,290
and it was the first time
I can remember him being
1648
01:30:16,292 --> 01:30:18,726
just in one of the foulest moods ever.
1649
01:30:19,796 --> 01:30:21,796
And he said, "It's just Nicole bullshit."
1650
01:30:21,798 --> 01:30:23,664
First of all, he broke the back door down
1651
01:30:23,666 --> 01:30:24,832
to get in before...
1652
01:30:24,834 --> 01:30:25,967
Okay. Wait a minute. What's your name?
1653
01:30:25,969 --> 01:30:27,969
Nicole Simpson.
1654
01:30:27,970 --> 01:30:29,970
Okay. Is he the sportscaster or whatever?
1655
01:30:29,973 --> 01:30:31,005
- Yeah.
- Okay.
1656
01:30:31,007 --> 01:30:32,173
Thank you.
1657
01:30:32,175 --> 01:30:33,708
My ex-girlfriend approached
him on the movie set
1658
01:30:33,710 --> 01:30:35,376
and said some very disparaging things
1659
01:30:35,378 --> 01:30:36,378
about Nicole and myself,
1660
01:30:37,514 --> 01:30:40,548
so I knew that O.J. was
gonna take it out on Nicole.
1661
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:41,682
Wait a minute, we're sending police.
1662
01:30:41,684 --> 01:30:43,451
What is he doing? Is he threatening you?
1663
01:30:43,453 --> 01:30:44,685
I... He's fucking going nuts.
1664
01:30:46,689 --> 01:30:49,056
You're gonna hear him in a minute.
He's about to come in again.
1665
01:30:49,058 --> 01:30:50,024
Okay, just stay on the line...
1666
01:30:50,026 --> 01:30:51,325
I don't wanna stay on the line.
1667
01:30:51,327 --> 01:30:52,894
He's gonna beat the shit out of me.
1668
01:30:52,896 --> 01:30:54,679
Wait a minute, would you?
Just stay on the line,
1669
01:30:54,680 --> 01:30:56,463
so we can know what's going on
'til the police get there, okay?
1670
01:30:57,834 --> 01:31:00,902
It wasn't until years later
that I actually sat down,
1671
01:31:00,904 --> 01:31:03,070
and I had even listened to the 911 call.
1672
01:31:03,072 --> 01:31:06,874
I knew different voices for
Nicole, and she wasn't mad,
1673
01:31:06,876 --> 01:31:07,996
she definitely wasn't drunk.
1674
01:31:08,745 --> 01:31:09,977
She's terrified.
1675
01:31:09,979 --> 01:31:13,581
And that was heartbreaking.
That was heartbreaking.
1676
01:31:13,583 --> 01:31:14,583
- Okay, Nicole.
- Uh-huh?
1677
01:31:15,818 --> 01:31:17,218
Just a moment. Does he have any weapons?
1678
01:31:17,220 --> 01:31:18,220
I don't know.
1679
01:31:18,655 --> 01:31:19,887
Okay.
1680
01:31:19,889 --> 01:31:22,023
He went home, and now he's back.
1681
01:31:22,025 --> 01:31:24,559
The kids are up there sleeping,
and I don't want anything to happen.
1682
01:31:24,561 --> 01:31:25,826
Okay, just a moment.
1683
01:31:26,996 --> 01:31:28,963
When you hear O.J.'s
voice, what do you hear?
1684
01:31:30,867 --> 01:31:31,966
Rage.
1685
01:31:41,044 --> 01:31:42,710
Is he inside right now?
1686
01:31:42,712 --> 01:31:44,145
- Yes. Yes.
- Okay, just a moment.
1687
01:31:49,886 --> 01:31:54,255
All units, a domestic at
325 Gretna Green Way...
1688
01:31:57,093 --> 01:31:58,993
O.J., the kids are sleeping.
1689
01:32:09,472 --> 01:32:11,072
Is he upset with something that you did?
1690
01:32:11,975 --> 01:32:15,509
Oh, a long time ago. It always comes back.
1691
01:32:17,814 --> 01:32:19,747
Has this happened before or no?
1692
01:32:19,749 --> 01:32:20,715
Many times.
1693
01:32:20,717 --> 01:32:21,717
Okay.
1694
01:32:25,488 --> 01:32:26,621
The police should be on the way.
1695
01:32:26,623 --> 01:32:28,255
It just seems like a long time
1696
01:32:28,257 --> 01:32:30,958
because it's kind of busy
in that division right now.
1697
01:32:36,899 --> 01:32:41,102
When she left him for good,
she called me, and she's like,
1698
01:32:41,104 --> 01:32:43,204
"Yep, this is it, Robin."
1699
01:32:44,107 --> 01:32:48,009
She said, "This is it.
I'm done. I'm done."
1700
01:32:48,011 --> 01:32:50,244
She goes, "I don't even... I have no
feeling for him whatsoever anymore.
1701
01:32:50,246 --> 01:32:51,246
It's just over."
1702
01:32:52,181 --> 01:32:55,750
She was free, and she
was happy without him,
1703
01:32:55,752 --> 01:32:59,587
and I think he knew it was really over.
1704
01:33:02,992 --> 01:33:05,993
The day she changed, it
was like a light switch.
1705
01:33:05,995 --> 01:33:10,431
He spiraled, from that day
on. Everything was different.
1706
01:33:10,433 --> 01:33:12,933
Who he was, that persona,
everything was gone.
1707
01:33:13,870 --> 01:33:19,874
She wasn't chasing him anymore
and it... it spun him out.
1708
01:33:21,377 --> 01:33:24,545
We all believed that right
toward the very end when, uh,
1709
01:33:24,547 --> 01:33:26,514
they had split up, after Mother's Day,
1710
01:33:26,516 --> 01:33:28,549
that Nicole was not seeing Marcus again.
1711
01:33:28,551 --> 01:33:30,985
I absolutely believed that she was.
1712
01:33:30,987 --> 01:33:32,853
And O.J. told Nicole,
1713
01:33:32,855 --> 01:33:35,356
"You ever see Marcus
again, I will kill you."
1714
01:33:38,127 --> 01:33:42,697
This was obviously "I'm...
I'm gonna get back at you, O.J.
1715
01:33:42,699 --> 01:33:45,066
I don't care what it takes,
I'm gonna humiliate you."
1716
01:33:47,737 --> 01:33:49,470
If she did it,
1717
01:33:49,472 --> 01:33:53,174
it was more for her
own personal rebellion,
1718
01:33:53,176 --> 01:33:56,243
it was more for her saying to herself,
1719
01:33:56,245 --> 01:34:00,047
"I'm gonna date who I want,
I'm gonna go where I want,
1720
01:34:00,049 --> 01:34:04,418
I'm gonna be friends
with who I want. I'm free.
1721
01:34:04,420 --> 01:34:07,621
You have lost me, O.J. Watch me run."
1722
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:12,426
I think there was something about her
1723
01:34:12,428 --> 01:34:15,796
that was almost unattainable to him.
1724
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,134
Something that he couldn't quite control.
1725
01:34:25,875 --> 01:34:29,376
And I think that that was
part of the attraction.
1726
01:34:29,378 --> 01:34:33,948
And I think, in the final analysis,
that's what got her killed.
1727
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:05,000
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