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♪ dramatic music

Police have arrested two men, aged 42 and 68,

on suspicion of murder

Officers say they believe

the victim and the suspects lived together as housemates.

So, this interview is being

audio and video recorded.

What's your full name?

My name Michal Polchowski.

Thank you.

You are here arrested on suspicion of murder.

I've been told that you work in a meat factory.

No comment.

Does it involve

cutting up large pieces of meat?

No comment.

Does it involve packaging meat?

No comment.

Sounds to me like

those body parts have been wrapped by somebody

who took pride in what they were doing.

No comment.

♪ tense music

Hello, Greater Manchester Police.

How can I help?

A murder inquiry is underway in Salford

after a human torso, wrapped

in plastic, was found at

a nature reserve.

Someone had gone to

great lengths to dismember this victim,

to chop them up.

You've got to really think about

what kind of a person can do that.

We're looking for someone carrying

a large object.

We think we've spotted him.

You've been identified

as a person of interest in relation

to a current inquiry.

It's definitely mistake.

Did you murder anybody

or dispose of any body parts?

No.

Whose name is on the lease?

Uh, Stuart.

A phone call came through.

"This issue

may involve your brother in some way."

That's where blood

has been found. On the underlay.

It becomes obvious to us

that there is a third person living in this property.

Who else lives there?

Yeah.

Have we been focusing

all of our attention on the wrong person?

♪ gentle music

Stuart was a very

loving person who

put his heart in the middle of the family.

Hello, Molly. Happy birthday, sweetheart.

I've got a picture of you here when you used to be dead cute.

Molly Mumpkin. You're not like that anymore,

but I still look at it.

He loved his family and we loved him.

As far as I know, he didn't have any enemies at all.

So, happy birthday again,

BBC News, Eccles.

I mean, I knew him better than anybody.

At heart, he was a good person.

I don't know why anybody

would want to hurt him.

♪ intriguing music

All right, good morning, everybody.

Thanks for getting together.

We've got two suspects in custody.

Marcin Majerkiewicz.

And the second suspect,

Michal Polchowski, both housemates

of Stuart Everett.

We established

a timeline for when Stuart's likely to have passed away,

and during that same time period,

Michal is in a period of annual leave

from his workplace. The location of his phone

proves he's at home

at the time of these events.

You were inside that house,

weren't you? And you were inside that house

over those days when Stuart's lost his life.

No comment.

He responds

to all of our questions with "no comment."

We've got three key cameras

that pretty much box in the address.

So it's only Marcin we have

at the moment doing those journeys.

Marcin-- he does stand out. He's

got quite a large build,

very long hair.

He doesn't seem to be fazed

being around people,

considering what he's got in his bag.

So, this is Worsley Road.

This is close to his home address to the murder scene.

Who has keys

for that house?

- Just Michal now. - Right.

And the landlord.

We've got CCTV footage of Marcin depositing body parts.

That doesn't mean that Marcin

was our killer.

Particularly when we consider that Michal

was in the address.

It's really unclear at this point whether one

or both are involved.

But in order to prove that Stuart

was murdered and how he was murdered,

it's an absolute priority for us

to recover more of Stuart's body parts.

"After we're done,

can I ask for more-more tea?"

Yeah, certainly, in a little while, that's fine.

- Me-Medium, please. - Medium.

- Two sugar, no milk? - Thank you.

Yes, please, thank you very much.

The places that Marcin was leaving

the body parts were outdoors.

We need to find out as much about

his movements as we can.

♪ percussive music

We had mountains of CCTV to view.

We've been following Marcin's movements across the city.

But we're also seeing journeys

on a few different occasions that are quite close

to his home address.

And then we found something really important.

Evening, mate.

- Okay? - All right, then.

Our CCTV specialist

have tracked the suspect's movements to this location.

And what we've found here are several black bags

tied in knots...

...containing what we now know

to be the victim's remains.

It really does escalate very quickly.

We went from those first two weeks

of having nothing, to all of a sudden

finding body parts every day.

Really strange

cuts just stuffed into bags,

but they're really small body parts,

very crudely cut.

We find things

like a left bicep,

a lung,

organs,

small parts of skin.

It's not methodical,

it's very random.

It almost seems a bit panicked.

Just whatever they could cut off, they've put into bags

and thrown them over an embankment.

I want to start today's

interview by talking about

some human remains that have been found

this weekend whilst you've been

in police custody.

What role did you play in Stuart's death?

No comment.

♪ quiet, propulsive music

This morning,

there's been a further discovery.

What I'm gonna do is just show you some CCTV stills.

If you need to move your chair in

so you can see, do.

That is a CCTV camera

that is quite close to your home address.

Is that you on that footage?

No comment, sir.

During Marcin's interview process,

he's also now started answering "no comment."

We start working on the theory

that these two men could have been working together.

There's another housemate

who lives with you, isn't there?

- No comment, sir. - Has he helped you?

No comment, sir.

Who's that?

It's possible one may be coercing the other.

No comment.

Is it him that's making you do it?

No comment, sir.

Are you scared of him?

No comment, sir.

Do you want to

talk us where we're up to

- with Chesterfield Street? - Yeah.

The three bags that were recovered look like this,

and not the same packaging.

When I find out about the flatmate,

I was quite interested

to hear that he worked

in the meatpacking factory

because, in my opinion,

two people have done this.

♪ ominous music

Depending on

which scene we were at, some of these

body parts were very neatly packaged

in cellophane.

But the body parts that we found at Chesterfield Close

were in bin bags

that had been tied

with a knot at the top. Very messy.

It's very distinct, the two styles.

One is so extremely neat and one is so extremely messy.

I was like, "Well, yeah, that makes sense," because

there were two suspects.

One works in a meatpacking factory,

so would be used to packaging

up meat.

Was a machine used to cut up Stuart's body?

No comment.

And the other seems to me,

lives a more chaotic lifestyle.

Who wraps it up? Is that you?

No comment, sir.

It's been wrapped very carefully.

Pathologist in Salford said very professional.

No comment, sir.

♪ eerie music

The team and I

are in the office and we're talking about

where the rest of Stuart is,

and, uh, one of my colleagues

comes running in and says,

"Just opened the fridge in the kitchen,

and a black pudding has fell out."

And Michal works in a food-packing factory.

So he starts on this story, and I say,

"I know what you're gonna say before you say it."

The worry is obvious to me.

I've got to make

sure that Stuart hasn't been

disposed of at that factory.

And therefore he's somewhere in the food chain.

We were tasked

with obtaining CCTV

from Michal's workplace.

He used to arrive very early in the morning

with, like, a-a little plastic bag.

He would clock in,

put all his stuff

in a locker.

Did his shift and then clocked out.

We reviewed CCTV.

And we even obtained samples of the plastic wrap

available at the premises.

Thankfully, as a result of our enquiries,

we're able to conclusively

establish there's nothing gone on

at the food processing factory.

But when we speak to Michal's coworkers...

...they tell us that when Michal came back

from his annual leave, he seemed sad,

sullen, uh, withdrawn,

and not engaging with his usual work friends.

To me, this is really concerning.

♪ foreboding music

It was confirmed that

these body parts

were part of my brother.

And yet he'd been

communicating with me

for a couple of weeks.

Then I reread the messages.

Um,

looking back again,

it doesn't appear to be

the words my brother would have used.

He's far more eloquent than that.

My brother was an intelligent man,

very good at spoken and written English.

And there were a couple of mistakes in there

he would never have made.

He sent me messages telling me he's moving house.

And I was a little bit surprised

that he sent me a video

of where he was moving to

and I just basically said, "God,

I didn't realize you were gonna move so quickly."

So I just said, "Good luck with it

and when you're settled in, get back in touch."

Obviously, the phone never rang and I never spoke

to him again.

Stuart was the main tenant of the house,

so we spoke to the landlord.

On the 3rd of April,

the landlord receives a text.

Stuart is saying

he is unwell, he's in hospital,

um, and he's had a stroke.

Shortly after that, Stuart sends a letter to say

all three of the tenants are gonna move out,

and that Stuart needs to go and live with his brother

because of his ill health.

When the landlord receives this message,

he's actually really concerned.

And he says, "Which hospital are you in?

Is it okay to visit?"

The landlord actually goes around to the property

and what he finds is that

Marcin and Michal have actually hired a skip

and they are in the process of moving everything out.

Marcin took a load of photographs

to show that the property was in a good condition,

and then posted the keys through the front door,

and that was him vacating the property.

But it was the day

that the police actually arrested him.

Shortly after, Michal was arrested as well.

And he was

really keen to show officers

messages from Stuart to say

that he had had a stroke, he was unwell,

he had to leave to go and live with his brother.

We know Michal

didn't actually reply, which

is quite odd

when you think about it.

You received this message

and you don't text back, you don't ring.

Why not?

No comment.

He's had a stroke, he's really unwell.

But there's no reaction from you.

No comment.

There's no reaction, Michal,

'cause you know he's dead.

No comment.

♪ haunting music

More grim discoveries

in a murder investigation that has been

continuing for more than three weeks.

They believe the victim died at a house

in Winton, Salford in late March.

We were finding more pieces of Stuart.

But from a forensic evidence point of view,

it's not really taking us

anywhere.

But I am hopeful that there will be answers in that house.

We identified the skip on the drive

as key to the investigation.

And also, three black wheelie bins.

We had the whole skip recovered so that we could safely

remove all the items

and examine it in a sterile environment.

It's painstaking work

for the CSIs.

I'm asking them to search

every item in the skip,

every item in each wheelie bin.

And this is where we got our breakthrough.

During the initial searches at the scene...

- Okay? - Yep.

...we see that the carpet

within one of the main bedrooms looks like

it's had a piece cut out of it.

And another piece

from somewhere else has been put in to try and cover it up.

What we didn't have was the piece

that had been removed in the first place.

But then, within the wheelie bins,

we found a piece of carpet that perfectly fit the shape.

So this is the carpet that we know was missing.

Appears to be bloodstained.

I had the DNA tested.

And it's confirmed to be a match to Stuart.

We now have the bloodstained carpet

from Marcin's bedroom,

where we believe the murder occurred.

But that doesn't tell us how Stuart

was killed or who was responsible.

The nails

that were used to nail down the carpet--

we know that they have been put in

after this has taken place...

...which makes finding DNA on the nails important.

We send those nails off for DNA analysis.

I believe that only the killer

would have gone to the lengths of nailing

new carpet over the murder scene.

How has Stuart's blood got on the carpet

in your room upstairs in that house?

No comment, sir.

Why not remove the whole carpet?

No comment.

Even though both suspects are answering "no comment"

to all questions asked,

it's not necessarily a dead end.

We just have to work harder to get the information we need.

Our digital forensics team download the content of both

suspects' phones.

On Marcin's phone there are messages,

photos, videos.

It's all normal stuff

anyone would have on their phone.

But there's more on there.

There's some quite shocking images

that tells us a lot about Marcin.

Then, we find on the handset some horrendous graphic imagery.

Pictures of mutilated bodies,

dead children, horrific stuff.

It makes you look differently at the suspect

you have across the table from you.

♪ tense music

Marcin had been

using Stuart's bank cards

to take money out of the bank

after Stuart died.

He uses that money to go to KFC

after he has deposited Stuart's body parts.

We discover that Marcin

is in considerable amount of debt. It's around

£60,000 worth of debt.

It's very significant.

My first initial thought is,

"Is this the motive?"

How much did Stuart talk about

the people he lived with?

Very rarely. I mean,

these two chaps had always lived with him

for the last...

probably ten years.

The older fella was just a man of, uh, routine

and kept himself to himself.

Marcin was into sort of like that heavy rock stuff,

Metallica and, you know, death rock and stuff like that.

Stuart told me Marcin had been

the manager in a chicken shop,

but he'd been fired from this job about six months previous

and hadn't paid his rent.

Stuart used to cover the rent for several months.

Several months, he covered

that rent because Marcin didn't have any money.

The last time I saw him,

I think Stuart had something on his mind,

and I think it's something to do with money.

Right. Morning, everyone.

In terms of how the briefing looks today,

there's a few updates we'll take you through.

We've established that a possible motive

could be financial,

but that doesn't explain everything.

When the team download the content

of Stuart's phone, that tells us a lot about

who he is as a person.

On Stuart's phone,

we find emails

between Stuart and a woman who lives over in Germany.

And it does seem like he has been confiding in this woman.

He tells this woman all about

his husband Kamil.

Stuart sends

birthday cards,

Christmas cards, and each

card is signed off

"Stuart and Kamil," every time.

He tells her all about

this holiday that he's had

with Kamil over in Poland, and then

he follows that up with a photograph.

But that picture

is, in fact, a picture of Marcin.

As an investigator, that makes you think

what was going on between Marcin and Stuart?

Are they in a relationship that no one knows about?

Has something gone on and later not gone on?

We don't know, so we need to continue our inquiries

to find out what is the true nature

of this relationship, and

where did they stand at the time of the incident.

There is a potential here

that there's some dynamic to the relationship between

Stuart and Marcin that is beyond

housemates. There is also

a possibility that there is no dynamic

beyond housemates,

but Stuart has created a...

narrative that there is.

And he uses genuine, everyday

interactions to suggest they're in a relationship.

If we've got information that Stuart is

purporting to be in a relationship,

even genuine or otherwise, with Marcin,

that's a priority, because that speaks to motive

and why Stuart may have ended up dead.

How much did Stuart ever tell you

about his romantic life?

He always used to

talk about ladies, you know what I mean?

But the police

did find evidence on Stuart's phone.

It made me question his sexuality.

He could have been having a relationship with this chap.

But I really don't know.

Hi, honey,

here's your birthday greeting

from Manchester.

♪ Happy birthday to you... ♪

But I think it all fits

into his persona, if you know what I mean.

The way he was and the way he...

Maybe he was a bit more private than w-what we know.

And, at the end of the day,

does anybody really know who he was,

even his brother?

This is one of the rooms.

We would start in here.

Looking at Marcin's phone,

we can see that he's booked

a man with a van to come and clear out the property

and he takes a video of all of the stuff

that he's saying needs to be thrown out.

And It's a similar room to downstairs.

And that's it.

Let me know if you have any questions.

All of this leads us to

the white van man's lockup.

Evidence can be perishing

by the minute.

There's no time to waste.

The suspects have gone to great lengths

to dispose of the crime scene.

They've ripped the entire contents

of the property out.

What Marcin didn't know

was that the white van man he'd booked also had a sideline

in restoring and reselling furniture.

So, luckily for us, some key items haven't been disposed of.

The most notable discovery is this sofa bed here.

It's been examined for blood

and it's been tested extensively positive for blood.

As you can see from the arrows here,

this is where positive

blood stains have been recovered,

most notably on the left hand side,

top corner of the sofa bed.

You can see quite a large pool of blood,

which could be head height.

The bloodstains on the sofa bed strongly suggest

that Stuart died from an injury to the head.

When the sofa

was in your address,

did you notice any blood on it?

No comment.

Did you plan killing Stuart?

No comment, sir.

Did you think about it beforehand?

No comment, sir.

We have two suspects in custody.

Our teams are working around the clock to find the vital evidence

we need to charge them. All the evidence

is pointing in one direction.

And handwriting experts confirm it's Marcin

who sent the birthday card to Stuart's family.

♪ menacing music

The messages sent from Stuart's phone

could only have been sent by Marcin.

We recovered a recording

of Stuart hiring the skip,

but we actually know that to be Marcin.

Uh, hi, I'm Stuart speaking. I ordered skip

on 22nd of April, Monday.

This is the video

that is sent to Stuart's brother.

You can clearly

see in the reflection

that it is actually Marcin.

And then the forensics come in.

We find Stuart's blood on Marcin's flip flops.

And the DNA results from the nails come back, too.

And the DNA on those nails belongs to Marcin Majerkiewicz.

But we still haven't got evidence that conclusively

says that this is actually a murder.

We're working on the theory that Stuart

was bludgeoned to death.

So it's really important that we recover

Stuart's head, because out of all the body parts

that are outstanding, this is the one

that's most likely to help us establish

a likely cause of death.

♪ up-tempo music

We've now been following Marcin's movements

for a number of weeks.

We are in a position now that he's been arrested

where his phone has been analyzed.

I've started to look

at some of the phone data that comes in.

And obviously, that would piggyback us to start looking

at CCTV in those areas.

We follow him on CCTV, walking through the town

with a large, red

carrier bag, which is quite rounded.

And, ultimately,

we follow him on CCTV right up to Blackleach.

The handset location data

shows the suspect has gone

to the reservoir, and there are

four points

where the suspect stood.

♪ quiet, intense music

I'm pretty convinced we're gonna come back with something.

And I remember leaving the office

that morning and saying,

"I'm gonna... I'm gonna bring you back a head today."

The lead

underwater search team officer

says he's found something.

This is it.

He shows me

a piece of Stuart's head.

You feel elated that you found

something, but then, quite quickly,

your brain-- you-- it's hard

for your brain to comprehend what you're seeing.

This is the harsh reality of what we're doing.

How horrific that

his head is not in one piece.

Fortunately, we were able to recover, um,

almost all of the skull, in pieces...

...and it was reconstructed at the mortuary.

There were multiple fractures with blood pooling

under them, which proved

those injuries would have been inflicted

while Stuart was alive.

We know that

that head injury was

unsurvivable.

Nothing has been found in the, uh...

We now know Stuart died from repeated

blunt force trauma to the head,

and we're therefore able to conclusively prove

that this is, in fact, a murder.

What we're talking about here...

...is a friend of yours.

Somebody you have known for many, many years.

You have not batted an eyelid

since we've told you body parts have been found.

No comment, sir.

Are you not upset that this is your friend?

No comment, sir.

Whilst there's a strong

physical case against Marcin,

I've still got serious concerns about Michal.

He was in the address.

He sleeps a few yards from where this crime's taken place.

Michal, just as much as Marcin,

could be our killer.

This could be the last time

you get to give your account.

Is there anything that you want to tell us?

No comment.

♪ daunting music

All right. Let's begin.

Have you ever given an interview before?

No, I've never given an interview

I never expected things to turn out the way they did.

What do you remember about the police coming to your house?

They said 'Someone has been murdered here.'

I said, well I thought

'If someone had been murdered, I'd know about it.'

♪ tense music

That week I mainly stayed in my room.

I was upstairs - I'd go down to the kitchen once a day

to make a tea.

Apart from that, I had everything I needed upstairs.

I mainly browsed the internet.

Stuart passed away on the night of the 27th of March.

Were you home at the time?

Yes, I was at home.

My room was behind the bathroom, so I didn't hear.

I practically always had the window open,

summer or winter.

Just slightly ajar.

I'd only hear the hum from the motorway.

What was the relationship like between Stuart and Marcin?

Did you ever have the impression

that their relationship was more than just friendship?

I can't say for certain, as I've never seen it.

Stuart said he had lent Marcin £400.

So I said, 'You're lending him money...'

It's a bit odd.

They watched films in Marcin's room

two or three times a week.

♪ sinister music

Stuart brought in bottles of vodka.

What do you think happened that night?

I suppose that...

if I didn't hear it...

they must have been drinking alcohol.

Stuart had a high blood sugar

so when he had a drink, he'd get really drowsy.

He could have done whatever he wanted with him.

Police investigating

the murder of a man whose remains were found scattered

around Salford are searching another park

for more evidence. Parts of

Stuart Everett's body have now been found

in five different locations. Detectives...

Our team continue to find more body parts

and more and more forensic evidence,

including the hacksaw

that we believe was used

to dismember Stuart's body.

All the evidence that we managed to gather

points strongly towards Marcin.

In contrast, there was actually

no evidence whatsoever that Michal had been involved.

I'm confident that if such evidence existed,

we would have found it.

So,

what role do you think Michal plays?

Um...

You know, um...

he-he's effectively been, for all intents and purposes,

eliminated, hasn't he?

Proceedings have been discontinued on the basis

we haven't found any evidence against him.

Now, I don't think he was involved.

Do I think he must have known what was going on?

That's a different question isn't it?

♪ atmospheric music

The house is so small

that I find it hard to believe

Michal doesn't know something untoward has happened.

Not only has he been present at the relevant

time when someone's been killed,

but also, that person's been dismembered.

Surely, you would know.

And whether he chose to ignore that or not, I don't know.

My colleagues asked

'Why didn't you say it wasn't you, that you didn't do it?'

Well, but how could I say anything,

if the advice is

'No comment.'

It's only just sunk in after these eight months.

Stuart was dismembered.

Marcin... he could have

killed me.

So I am grateful to God that I am alive.

Why hurt such a peaceful man like that?

And to this day,

I still can't understand why he might have done that.

Why...

A jury at Manchester Crown Court

has been shown CCTV footage

which allegedly shows a killer dumping

the body parts of the man he's accused of murdering.

Marcin Majerkiewicz denies killing Stuart Everett.

The trial will continue here at Manchester Crown Court

tomorrow morning.

On the day of the-the verdict,

went into the courtroom.

You saw the murderer sitting there, smirking,

joking with his prison guard.

♪ somber music

And you're thinking...

..."He did that to my brother."

You know what I mean?

The jury came in.

Judge said,

"Do you find the person guilty or not guilty of murder?"

The jury said...

..."Guilty.

Unanimous."

That's what happened.

The sense of relief was amazing.

It was just a complete sense of...

...like that.

♪ serene music

Everybody cheered.

There's people in the gallery,

people from the press, everything.

A man's

been found guilty of killing his housemate,

dismembering the body and disposing of it across Salford.

Marcin Majerkiewicz denied

murdering Stuart Everett last year at a home

they shared in Winton.

This is a case of rarely seen complexity and scale.

We started with nothing, but today,

we have secured justice

for Stuart Everett and his family.

The rest of his body may have been

taken away naturally

by animals and things like that.

But I know they're not his soul.

What I'd like to do is

inter the ashes into the family grave.

That would be nice,

as a final resting place for him.

I know it's all spiritual

and it's, you know what I mean,

it's all something up there, but

it would be nice to put a final touch

to-to his life.

♪ intriguing music