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This week on "VICE,"
the new space race to Mars.
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The key to rapid innovation
is competition.
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It's a really exciting time
to be in space.
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Man:
You have about
15 to 20 more seconds.
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And then, the legacy
of the prison camp
at Guantanamo Bay.
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Gianna Toboni:
You were the guy
that was assigned
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to create this place.
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If you could say
one thing to the detainees
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who were innocent,
what would you say?
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It's time for America
to shut it down.
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(whistle blowing)
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(men shouting)
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Hands up!
Don't shoot!
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Hands up!
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When scientists confirmed
in 2015
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that there's liquid water
on Mars,
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it raised the possibility
of actually moving human life
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to the Red Planet.
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What kind of future
do we want?
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Do we want a future
where we are forever confined
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to one planet until some
eventual extinction event,
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however far in the future
that might occur?
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Or do we want to become
a multi-planet species
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and then ultimately
be out there among the stars?
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Today, scientists,
entrepreneurs,
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and even volunteers,
are racing to find ways
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to make this colonization
a reality.
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Thomas Morton:
I guess this is
where Mars begins.
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Thank you.
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Okay. Okay.
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Morton:
The Mars Desert Research Station
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is a simulated Martian habitat
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in the middle of the closest thing Earth has
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to a Martian landscape-- Utah.
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(Susan Jewell talking)
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Welcome, welcome.
Come on in!
Hi.
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Susan:
So Thomas, let me
introduce you to Crew 158.
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Excellent.
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Everybody, this is Thomas.
All: Hi!
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Thomas, this is the crew.
Hi, Thomas.
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Ilaria is our crew engineer.
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And Nicholas
is the executive officer--
second in command.
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And Philippe is
our health-and-safety officer
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and the crew medical officer.
Excellent.
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Morton:
The MDRS hosts missions
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of up six weeks to see how crews like this
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will dealwith the confinementthey'd experience on a planet
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with one third of Earth's atmosphere
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and a fraction of its temperature.
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What happens on Mars
if these seals break?
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(Susan talking)
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(Cinelli talking)
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Morton:
The crew members go on daily excursions,
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or EVAs, into the simulated Martian air
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to do things like routine maintenance on the habitat
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or drills like today's simulated medical emergency
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in which a crew member's pressure suit
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has perilously sprung a leak.
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Well, first of all,
I want to say it was
a fantastic EVA.
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Okay, so whose turn
is it to shower today?
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Woman: No one's.
No one's turn to shower.
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So whose turn tomorrow?
Woman: Mine.
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Is there a formula or anything
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for how much food
and water and everything
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you're able to take
at the beginning
of your mission?
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They gives us water quantity.
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Then it is up to us
how to manage that.
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And the same thing
for the food.
Oh, okay.
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We have a fixed amount
of food.
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It's all about,
how do you survive
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in this extraordinary
environment?
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Cinelli:
Of course we have tension,
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but we have to learn as crew
to overcome that.
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If we are going to colonize
another planet,
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we have to learn to resolve
every kind of problem.
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Morton:
While the effects of extreme isolation
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on group psychology is the big experiment of the MDRS,
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each of the crew members has their own experiments
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to work on in their particular fields of study,
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as actual astronauts would do on Mars.
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Nicholas:
This is the chemical
workstation.
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Different soil samples
as you can tell, right?
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So we got those.
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And Emi's using her feces
and urine for her plants.
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Morton:
Philippe Souvestre is a former test pilot
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for the French Air Force and a physician
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who specializes in neurophysiology and aerospace medicine.
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"Bio photonics."
Yes.
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"Intranasal light therapy"?
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Yep! So this is
a photonic stimulator.
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Bio-photonic relates
to preventative application,
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or physiological deterioration
using light.
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Cool. That's very exciting.
It is.
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Susan:
So now we want to relax.
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We want to be centered
and focused.
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Just go like this.
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You know, just shake off
all this energy that you have.
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I want you just to, like,
get rid of all this energy.
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Okay.
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All the way,
and then go back
a little bit.
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I want you all
to be very calm
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and I want you
to think about
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the tension in your body.
Focus on it.
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And then just let it go.
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Morton:
While the Mars Society maylook like glorified LARPing,
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it's actually a legitimate feeder program
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to other analogue research experiments
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run by actual space agencies,like NASA.
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NASA's current Martian missionis called the Orion Program,
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which will usethe state-of-the-artSpace Launch System, or SLS,
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to break free of Earth's gravity and penetrate deep space,
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where Mars lives.
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Garry Lyles is the head design engineer of the SLS,
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currently being developed at the Marshall Space Flight Center
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in Huntsville, Alabama.
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Does it feel like there's
a new kind of energy at NASA?
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It's the busiest we have been
since early shuttle.
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We're focused
on a destination.
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We're going to Mars.
And a Mars mission
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drives a much larger vehicle
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than anything
that we've ever done before.
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Going into deep space
takes a lot longer.
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You don't want to strap
the crew into something
really small.
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It's got a big living space,
right?
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I've been with NASA
for 40 years.
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And we now have a team that--
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it's one of the best teams
I've ever worked with.
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Morton:
The SLS is being assembled
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at a huge warehouse in Louisiana,
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where NASA built the original Saturn rockets
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that took us to the moon.
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The facility is also workingon the Orion Capsule,
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which will sit atop the SLS rockets
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and carry the most valuablepayload of all-- human life.
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Mark Kirasich:
Orion is part of NASA's
human exploration program.
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The pressure vessel behind me
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we built
for the mission we call
Exploration Mission One.
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Orion will travel
farther away from the Earth
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than any spacecraft
has ever done before.
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Our goal is to return humans
beyond Earth orbit.
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And that will happen in 2021.
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Man: You're in the home
of the world's
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most powerful rocket
built to date.
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To give you a sense of scale,
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that barrel panel's
about 22' tall.
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And the hydrogen tank
has got five of those things
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welded from top to bottom.
So it's an enormous structure.
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One of the big things
that's come really recently
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is additive manufacturing.
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Basically print parts,
right?
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We can now print
high-strength metals.
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The next technology
that will be inserted
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as we evolve this vehicle
will be composite structures,
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carbon-lined plastics,
which will take a lot
of weight and cost
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out of
the aluminum structures
that we're building today.
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That percentage
of new technology
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is going to increase
over time
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as we evolve this vehicle.
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And that's all going to drive
the cost of this system down.
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Morton:
As the vehicles that will take man to Mars
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are being tweaked and tested,
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NASA is also running human endurance tests
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a la The Mars Society,albeit with much higher tech.
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At Johnson Space Center in Houston,
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home of Mission Control and the Astronaut Corp.,
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they're building space-ready equipment
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to keep astronauts healthy and sane on long trips
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away from Earth's gravity.
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Stan Love: This is going
to be mission control
for the Orion missions.
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And they're talking
about 2030s for that mission.
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That probably means 2039.
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We basically made it
from, like,
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first manned flight
to the moon in eight years?
Yeah.
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Why does stuff
take longer these days?
Money!
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We had 4% of federal spending
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during Apollo-- 4%.
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Right now, we have .4%
of federal spending.
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So we're getting a tenth
of the money
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and we have to go
a thousand times as far.
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You know,
progress is not going
to be super quick.
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Morton:
While NASA's budget has been slashed
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by every president since Nixon...
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the private sector is awash in billionaires,
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all competing with each otherto be the first businessmanin space.
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( "2001: A Space Odyssey"
theme playing)
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Richard Branson:
I've always believed
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that having
the best-looking planes
in the world,
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while not a guarantee
of success,
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is a good start.
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But our new spaceship
has taken that concept
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to a whole new level.
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And that's why I knew
without a doubt
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who I was going to ask
to name her--
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a man who never ceases
to amaze and inspire us all.
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Voice of Stephen Hawking:
I have always dreamed
of space flight.
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By opening up space,
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we help to change
the world for good.
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Please welcome
Virgin Spaceship Unity.
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(pop music playing)
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Richard Branson is one
of the big three
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in the most recent space race,
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along with, like, Elon Musk
and Jeff Bezos.
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He's the only one
who really doesn't come
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from a tech background,
though.
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He brings a certain, you know,
kind of panache to it.
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Throws a hell a party,
at least.
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Four, three, two, one!
Whoa!
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Morton:
Branson may be moreof an impresario and showman
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than a rocket scientist.
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But Virgin Galactic's CEO comes straight
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from the space program.
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George Whitesides was the chief of staff at NASA
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under both Bush and Obama, so he knows some rockets.
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Why'd you, uh-- why'd you
jump ship for Virgin?
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Because I felt
like Virgin Galactic
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has the opportunity
to fundamentally change
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how humanity interacts
with space.
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I mean, what we want
to do here is, like,
open up space.
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Change it from something
that only 500 people have done
in 50 years,
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to something that hundreds
and eventually thousands
of people,
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and eventually
tens of thousands and millions
of people have done.
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Do you feel like we're in,
like, a new phase of--
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of space exploration
with, like, the advent
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of all the private companies
involved?
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I do think it is a new phase,
you know?
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And I think the key
to rapid innovation
is competition.
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The best part
of this current age
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is that there will be
more competition,
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because it'll drive us
all to do better.
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And, um, and that's
what you're seeing now.
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You're seeing innovation
all over the space sector.
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It's a really exciting time
to be in space.
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Morton:
In order to keep this excitement up
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long enough for an actual Mars mission to get underway,
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it's not enoughjust to inspire the engineers
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and financiers of today.
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You have to target the generation
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that will actually be making the trip-- today's children.
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While everyone else is busy
making all the hardware
for Mars,
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we're busy training the people
that are going to go to Mars.
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Because of the first person
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who is going to set
their foot on Mars
is probably someone,
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you know,
eight to 12 years old today.
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And those are exactly
the people that are coming
through space camp.
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The idea is to kind of
walk dramatically.
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We're putting a Mars mission
together right now
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to train citizens who want
to take the private ride.
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We want to be
one of the places
where you come
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and get certified
to be a part of
space travel.
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Barnhart:
We've had 700,000 graduates.
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We try to crack
their cosmic eggs
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to the possibilities
in their own future.
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They come here
and they realize,
"I've got to set my journey."
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And they come away
completely different
individuals
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after the experience.
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Okay.
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Who all from SpaceX and stuff
has graduated from here?
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Well, the top guy, Elon Musk,
was a Space Camp graduate.
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Jeff Bezos, George Whitesides,
who's the chief engineer
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for Virgin Galactic,
is a graduate.
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Our graduates are changing
the world everywhere.
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Morton:
Tonight's a rocket launch
here at Cape Canaveral.
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Um, the rocket and its module
are both made
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by a private company
called Orbital ATK.
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The launch itself is run
by another private company
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called United Launch Alliance.
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Morton:
An unmanned resupply mission
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may not seem that impressivein the scheme of things,
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but by havingthe private sector take overthe routine maintenance
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of the space station and satellites
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and everything else NASA's looking after now,
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it frees them up to go even further into our solar system.
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Love: When low earth orbit is
full of private space crafts
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and tourists,
we'll be on the moon.
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When the moon
is full of tourists,
we'll be on Mars.
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In that way, I hope we can
keep pushing the boundaries
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and we can keep
doing that forever.
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Morton:
So essentially, the small steps
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private space is now taking for profit
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will allow NASA to make even gianter leaps for mankind.
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Morton:
Which launch pad is that,
that it's going off of?
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Do you know?
Uh, 41.
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It's right there.
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You can see that red light
flashing over there.
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Those are
the lightning towers.
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Okay. What do you think
about Mars?
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Are you excited about Orion?
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I'm hyped for Orion.
Yeah?
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They say like kids now ages,
like, 10 to 15
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will be the ones
landing on Mars
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and going to asteroids
in this time frame.
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I want to be a part
of building the rocket
and everything.
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Man over radio:
Minus ten, nine, eight, seven,
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six, five, four,
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three, two, one.
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And blast off.
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There it goes.
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Holy shit.
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� Please put your �
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� Sweet hand in mine �
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� And float in space �
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� And drift in time �
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� All my time �
� All I want in life's �
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� Until I die �
� A little bit of love... �
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Susan:
I'd like to see humans
be able to settle
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on another planet one day.
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Morton: Do you think it
will happen in your lifetime?
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I believe so.
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Because of the rapid pace
of technology
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and the fact
that the private sector
are really interested
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in taking humans off Earth.
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Now people are talking
about Mars and humans to Mars.
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I think
that's what excites me too.
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� Please put your �
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� Sweet hand in mine �
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� And float in space �
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� And drift in time. �
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The debate over what to do
with the detainees
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at Guantanamo Bay
is one of the most polarizing
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political issues
of the post-9/11 era.
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On the one hand,
President Obama argues
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that keeping the camp open
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gives terrorists
a powerful recruiting tool.
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And on the other hand,
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opponents in Congress
argue that it's too dangerous
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to release the inmates
even if we can't convict them
in court.
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But 14 years
after Gitmo opened,
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what happened
itsndalls is only now
slowly coming to light.
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� �
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Gianna Toboni:
Two years ago,
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we visited the Guantanamo BayDetention Center
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to try to shed some light
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on one of the world's most notorious prisons.
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Were they all Muslim?
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Toboni:
After military personnel deleted parts
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of our footage each night,
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closely regulated what we could and couldn't shoot...
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(woman speaking)
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...and avoided relevant questions...
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Are you able to tell us
what they're in here for?
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...we quickly learned that if you want learn more
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about Guantanamo Bay,
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the last place you go is Guantanamo Bay.
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But we were able to get some answers
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from the man who actually built it--
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Retired General Michael Lehnert.
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Toboni:
So you were the guy
that was assigned
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to basically
create this place?
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Yes, I was assigned
to create Guantanamo
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and build
the first 100 cells
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and do all of this
within 96 hours.
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We took down
every non-essential fence
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and essentially
made 8' x 8' cages.
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Yeah, it looks like a zoo,
pretty much.
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It-- pretty much, yeah.
It's not a pretty place.
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What was it like when
the first detainees arrived?
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We flew them in on a C-17.
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We ferried a school bus
with the windows blacked out
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and the seats taken out,
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put the detainees
on the school bus.
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They had not
had any opportunities
to use facilities,
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so most of them
were wearing diapers.
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It was pretty stark.
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Lehnert's voice:
You have to understand--
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these people were captured
on battlefields.
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They are warriors.
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They have the capacity
and the potential
for violence.
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After 9/11, as a country,
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we were angry,
some of us were frightened.
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And we wanted our leaders
to do something.
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This was something.
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And then I started looking
for the documentation.
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Some cases, we received
pretty good documentation
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that individuals
were really bad guys.
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So we had some that were
the worst of the worst.
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We had others
that showed up with almost
no documentation whatsoever.
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And so what was
that moment for you
when you realized--
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I think it was--
it wasn't a moment.
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It was just
a gradual recognition
that, you know,
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all of the facts
weren't adding up.
Yeah, it wasn't a moment.
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It wasn't one
of these "aha" epiphanies
or anything like this.
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You know, I'm not smart enough
for that.
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It was just simply, you know,
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putting together
all of the evidence
and data we had.
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And saying, okay,
we do have some bad people
down here.
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There's no doubt about that.
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But we also have
a bunch of people here
that shouldn't be here.
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Toboni:
Of the roughly 780 detainees sent to Guantanamo Bay,
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only 30 have been charged,
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and of those, only eight have been convicted.
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And two of those convictionswere overturned.
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Over the last 14 years,
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the US has released hundreds of detainees
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to 58 countries scattered around the globe.
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And while it's impossible to verify the facts
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surrounding their time at Guantanamo Bay,
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we wanted to give some of these detainees
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a chance to tell their side of the story.
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(honking)
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(Toboni laughing)
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Toboni: Zakir Hasam was one of the first prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.
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After more than four yearsof being held without charge,
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he was sent, not to his native country of Uzbekistan,
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but to a new country-- Albania.
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(honking)
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(Hasam speaking English)
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(honking)
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I think male drivers
are crazy.
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Toboni:
Zakir invited us back to his home
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where he told us his accountof how an electricianfrom Uzbekistan
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ended up at Guantanamo Bay.
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To the US?
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Toboni:
The common perception is that detainees
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were captured by US forces.
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But in reality, most of them were captured
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by Afghan and Pakistani forces
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in the midst of a controversial bounty program.
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Air-dropped flyers offered thousands of dollars
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for any suspected terroristsdelivered to the Americans.
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We have leaflets that
are dropping
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like snowflakes.
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Not surprisingly,part of the local population
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began to turn on itself for the cash.
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Toboni:
While what happens to the prisoners
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inside Guantanamo is severely restricted to the press,
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in Doha, we met with an Al Jazeera journalist
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who experienced the conditionsin the camp himself.
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Sami Al-Hajj was working in Pakistan
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when he says he was wrongfully detained.
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(speaking Arabic)
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(speaking English)
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Toboni:
What the U.S. government didn't know
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when they detained Sami
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is that he would eventually use his standing as a journalist
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to share every detail of his mistreatment
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with a global audience.
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Toboni:
Released detainees consistently claim
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that guards exposed them to this kind of brutal treatment.
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Toboni:
In the years since 9/11,
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we've seen what that kind of anger can lead to,
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as images of horrific mistreatment of prisoners
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in US detainment facilitieshave flooded the news media.
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Toboni:
A controversial allegationwe heard from both detainees
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was that guards forcibly administered
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psychoactive drugs to prisoners.
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(Al-Hajj speaking)
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Toboni:
Government reports have acknowledged
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that certain drugs were used,
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but officials claim that they were administered
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to treat mental illness.
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Since the majority of prisoners here are held without charge,
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often the only way to protest their detention
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is by going on extended hunger strikes.
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Toboni:
To prove that the way
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they force-feed detainees is humane,
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one camp official told us he voluntarily tried it himself.
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Toboni:
What's it feel like
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when the Ensure
is actually going down?
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Toboni:
After 480 daysof refusing food,
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losing 95 lbsand six years of his life,
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Sami was finally released from Guantanamo Bay
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without ever being charged with a crime.
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But there are still 80 prisoners being held
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at the facility without trial,
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many of whom have been cleared for release.
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I will close Guantanamo!
I will restore...
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And while President Obama has pledged for more than eight years
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to close the facility...
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Let us do what is right
for America.
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Let us go ahead
and close this chapter.
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...the decision may ultimately be left to his successor.
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This morning,
I watched President Obama
talking about Gitmo, right?
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Guantanamo Bay,
which by the way--
which by the way,
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we are keeping open--
which we are keeping open.
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Guantanamo is a very serious,
I guess, symbol.
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We are in a fight
against terrorism.
We have to defeat it.
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We don't need
to have Guantanamo
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hanging out there
over our heads.
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If you could say one thing
to the detainees
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who were innocent,
what would you say?
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I regret
that those things happened.
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And I'm sorry
that those things happened.
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And I think about Guantanamo
every day.
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Toboni:
So do the people who were detained there,
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as we learned from Zakir, who's now attending
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a university in Albania.
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How'd you decide to study
international relations?
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Toboni:
If you could go back in time,
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would you choose
to go through it all again?
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Toboni:
Few people know for sure
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what actually happened inside the facility,
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but it's clear that the prisoners we met with
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will carry their scars with them for the rest of their lives.
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Lehnert:
I think that as we found out
more and more
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about what
we set up down there,
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that it's time for America,
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as a matter of policy,
to shut it down.
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