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Thank you very much for being here It

took us a long time to get here and and You

know even now That we're all grown-ups.

We still get scared when we come and play in Sheffield. So thanks for coming

and being nice to us

A lot of these songs were written when we lived here.

And the ones that weren't... Like, for instance, this song that we're going to

play now.

It's about something that happened in London.

But it couldn't have happened without the fact of us coming from Sheffield in

the first place. That's what I'm trying to say.

So... Do you think that we could remove the roof?

of the Motorpoint Arena.

Yeah? If we... If we put everything into it, and you put everything

into it, as we play the song that we like to call...

She stood in sculpture at St. Martin's College. That's where I caught her eye.

She told me that her dad was loaded.

I said, in that case, I'm rumming Coca-Cola. She said, fine.

And then in 30 seconds time, she said, I want to live like Carmen

Depot.

I want to do whatever common people do. I want to sleep with common people.

I want to sleep with common people like you.

Well, what else could I do? I said, I'll see what I can do.

I took it to a supermarket.

I don't know why, but I had to start it somewhere.

So it started there.

I said pretend you got no money.

She just laughed and said, you're so funny. I said, yeah.

Well, I can't see anyone else smiling in here.

Are you sure?

You want to live like common people.

You want to see whatever common people see. You want to sleep with common

people. You want to sleep with common people.

She didn't understand.

She just.

What did you write to the tower wall?

If you caught your dad, you could stop him, oh yes.

Never live like common people.

You never do what common people do. Never be like common people.

You never what your dad said I knew.

And then yes, that dream, it's true.

Because there's nothing else to do.

And could you remember what you dreamt last night?

I dreamt about changing tires or something like that.

And you think, God, you know, your brain's not fettered by anything. It

could go anywhere it wants, and yet I'm thinking about changing a tire.

Or even changing a guitar string or something.

It makes you worried. You think, well, maybe my brain's shutting down.

My daughter, she plays football, and all the teams like to have a team sponsor,

so I just asked the chaps if they fancy putting a few quid in and having Pulp on

the shirt. So we organised that, and it was very funny.

The first game, they put them on, and all the girls were kind of going, Pulp,

who's that?

Who's that? What's all that about?

And Jeannie just had to say, that's my dad's crap, man.

Does it feel strange to be playing tonight?

Yeah.

Stranger and scary.

Really scary.

Yeah. The less people you know at concert, the better.

Definitely.

I know a lot of people there.

Yeah,

it just adds pressure.

Hulk are back in the arena tonight.

Big Jolly Breakfast.

And we're going to have more exclusive Hulk tracks for you across the morning.

Hallam FM, 16 days to Christmas. Today, sunny periods, possibility of snow

later tonight. We'll keep you updated on the weather and any traffic problems,

any traffic every 20 minutes on Hallam FM, especially tonight when people will

be, well, the arena's going to be absolutely rammed, isn't it? We'll keep

you moving. It's Hallam FM.

and some heavy outbreaks of rain at times. As for Wednesday, well,

temperatures start to lift up. That's only because we pick up a strong

southwesterly wind.

I've got to check my hair.

I washed it this morning, yeah.

Loving my level.

Yeah?

Loving my level.

Fast audio check. Why did the chicken cross the road?

I've no idea, and I don't... I don't really like chickens, so I don't care.

If it gets run over, I'm not bothered.

We stopped playing in 2001 or 2002 or whatever it was, and I did feel that the

way it finished was kind of a bit, I don't know, not right.

It didn't feel like a good ending to something.

I know that tidying up isn't the greatest rock and roll motivation, but I

did want to kind of tidy things up and give the story a happy ending.

So I suppose it was always at the back of my mind that we might play again.

Oh, sophisticated lady.

Oh, I want to be your lover.

Not your mother, not your brother, yeah.

I know he comes from Sheffield.

I know he's been based in France over the last few years.

And now Paul has reformed. So they're going on a national tour.

When they first started out, I listened to the music with Blur.

And of the two, I prefer Paul.

I just want to make contact with you.

That's all I want to do.

I just want to make contact with you.

So I wanted to I

was

trying hard to meet her.

Does he still work in here?

No, I don't work in here now.

He used to work in here, but he doesn't now, does he?

He says he's still working now in here.

Unless you've seen him and I haven't seen him. I haven't seen him.

Is he in the show?

If you ask Iain here, Iain knows where he works. Iain used to be a good friend

of his.

Was he working for Butcher?

I don't know. Iain Murray, Butcher.

Fishman. If you ask Iain, Iain knows all about fish. He's a fishman now.

He used to be a Putin fishman.

He found out he liked fish.

Didn't you, Iain?

Well, the thing is I've never really had that's the nearest I came to ever having

a job That I worked in the castle market only on say it was a Saturday job, you

know It's like a thing that you have when you're at school So it's not like I

was a master fishmonger It wasn't an ideal job for a teenage boy

because often there would be parties going on on a Saturday night and

So I would arrive back from the fish market stinking of fish and then try and

get rid of the smell, because to go to a teenage party smelling of fish isn't

going to help your chances with getting off with somebody.

So I would hold my hands in a sink of bleach, well, water

and bleach, for like ten minutes.

But that just seemed to lead to it being like a mixture of fish and bleach, which

is even worse, you know.

It didn't help.

The day didn't go very well.

Too many chocolates and cigarettes.

It's a funny place, Sheffield. Maybe that's why we're nervous about playing a

concert there.

With my friends in Sheffield, the best they will probably ever say about an

event is it was all right.

If you say something's all right, I mean, that's considered a pretty good

moment for it.

So if that's the high bar, it does make you worried when you're going to play

somewhere.

And so maybe that's why we were a little bit nervous about playing Sheffield.

And what's Sheffield like?

It's all right.

I don't want to move, so it can't be that bad.

I'm quite happy.

Yeah, it's all right.

It's all right.

Are you going to the big concert tonight, the Pulp concert?

Yes, I am, yes.

I'll enjoy it.

You like Jarvis?

You know that, yes.

Oh, that's his bat on stage. Oh, look, players on stage with Mike.

Yeah.

What's happening here?

And where do you come from from Georgia the US for the concert You came

here for the concert exactly the first time in the UK all the way to see pulp

in their hometown Because I've loved them since I was 16.

I was just so happy that they got back together because back then I had

you know, no way to travel to see them. They didn't come to Atlanta and where I

lived. And so, I mean, it's at like 94, but I didn't go.

That time I didn't know about them.

And what do you do in Atlanta?

Do what? What do you do in Atlanta?

I'm a nurse.

I'm a nurse and single mom, and Jarvis sings about single moms.

There is a kind of weirdness about sharing such personal

things with people that you don't really know.

Especially when in relationships with actual people, with a partner.

I sometimes find it hard to discuss emotional things.

All I can say in my defence is it's much

easier to just address a kind of mass of people.

Trying to do it in a kind of a...

Personal and intimate way in a friendly way, but you're not actually having to

say to one person It's like it's like there's this vague cloudy person who

you're addressing it was made up of all those people and You know if

I'm sure psychologically that doesn't really make much sense

Do you guys want to be in a movie?

Yes please!

Say that again!

Do you want to be in a movie?

Oh my god!

What's the movie about?

It's about Sheffield and a band called Pulp. Oh I've heard that!

Amazing!

We're going to be famous you know!

I'm going to play you a song from the band and then I want you to tell me what

you think of it, yeah? Yeah!

And they said that when we grew up We'd get married and never split up Oh, we

never did it Although I often thought of it What do you think of it?

It's good. You know the name is Different Class?

Is that the name of it? That one's called Disco 2000.

Oh, right. Is that the name of the song? The song, yeah. Well, that's like a

different kind of song name, isn't it? And also the song's really like...

Fun like really like exciting just guess the ones right who gonna dance for

So, Mark, enable the dancing, please.

I will

probably

live an hour of each other.

I got through school and didn't like it and then I left which is great and then

and then I became 16 and then I got rheumatoid arthritis like a month after

being 16.

My body started feeling uncomfortable straight away but I wasn't diagnosed for

about a year and a half and by this time I'd got quite into punk music and I used

to knit my own jumpers with they'd have big holes in them and I'd go and be

sitting at the hospital waiting to see a rheumatologist and I'd be sitting with

all these old people and I'd be there with pink hair and these kind of big

punk jumpers and

That was tough and being told you've got arthritis when you've just

hit your teenage years is a bit like a death sentence in

a way and it's sink or swim and I think at that point I thought well I'm either

going to accept this or I'm going to fight it and I decided to just deny that

I had it and just live life as I wanted to.

I suppose when I joined Pulp, and then especially when we became famous, that

kind of put me into even more denial. I thought, you know, you don't go on top

of the pops and have arthritis.

Pop stars don't have illnesses. They maybe have drug addictions, but they

don't have something that I consider to be an old person's disease. So, yeah, I

went into huge denial.

What are you doing? Are you trying to get like a snapshot of Sheffield life?

The hopes and dreams of the common man.

I accidentally moved to London for about six months once and it was pretty

chaotic. I got mugged twice in one night. I got mugged on a night bus

and I went and bought some beers to console myself.

And then some bloke came and nicked my beers.

And I ended up, as a lot of people do in London, I ended up in a puddle just

screaming that I hated London.

So I was like straight away, got the Megabus back up to Sheffield and had

quite a rough time with it. And I bumped into my friend and he said I looked like

a shell of my former self.

So what he did was he knew I didn't have any money or anything. So he took me to

the pub and he told the barman.

This guy, the shell of his former self, has been in London. He's had a hard time

of it.

I think you know what to do.

And I was like, yeah, I know what to do. And they put a Pulp CD on, and I just

sat in the pub all day listening to Pulp. And gradually I felt my strength

coming back, that I was back in a kind place, you know, where you don't get

mugged, you get taken to the pub instead.

And, yeah,

I felt better. I always feel much more at ease in Sheffield.

It's just because of that, you don't...

It's not saying you don't get mugged, but it's usually funny.

You'll usually know the person that's mugging you or something, and you can

have a go at them at a later date.

The incumbent people, and so on, and different classes in general,

Class is not this kind of series of really obvious signifiers that it is,

you know, that it's usually treated as in Britain. Class is usually treated as

this thing that involves accent and manners and where you're from and so on

and so forth. So Julie Birchall or Alan Sugar or Jordan are all working class

despite the fact that they spent most of their lives being fabulously wealthy,

for instance.

they are working class because of their accent and because of where they were

from and because they like certain things or what have you.

And one of the great things about Common People is that it's a song about the

kind of futility of treating class like this in many ways.

That, you know, you can pretend to have that accent all you want.

You can go and smoke some fags and play some pool and so forth.

All you like.

That's the point of it.

is that you will never have to experience poverty.

You will never have to experience desperation.

You will never have to experience that sense of being trapped.

Are you a common person?

Definitely.

I'm just a regular guy.

I catch the bus all the time.

Public transport is pretty efficient.

Go to the shops.

I mean, fortunately, I'm not being the center of attention in the group.

Is Jarvis a common person?

He has the potential to be.

It's difficult. I mean, you can just see if you walk down the street with him

that, you know, people don't behave normally if they see him. So it must be

a complete nightmare for him.

I know quite a few guitar players.

Richard Hall, he's a folk musician.

He's quite good.

I met him in the pub. He ordered two knives.

I like any type of music, really.

And I've made knives for Elvis Presley's band.

I've made them knives.

Pianist and lead guitarist.

Yes, and we went to Nashville. Me and my wife were invited over to meet.

That's after Elvis had died. Sonny Curtis. Sonny Curtis, lead guitarist.

Crickets, you know, the crickets.

So I met a lot of nice people through making knives.

If you could take one memory from this life to the next life, who would it be?

Being happy with my family life and making knives.

It made for me this job, you know.

If my life were to come over again, I'd still make knives.

Yeah.

I'd like to sing.

Sing an old song.

What's one of your favourite songs to sing?

We are the champions.

That's an old song there. It's an old song there. We are the champions.

And what's one of your favorite songs?

Like a pop one?

I think Baby's just because there's a chord in it. It's a D major 7.

And it sums up that kind of not quite right feeling.

you know like it's just got like it's not quite happy nearly happy and that

that to me like i know makes me feel homely you know i'm comfortable in that

kind of mess is there anything else you'd like

to find out about the band or jarvis it might be nice to go up and look into his

background find out what motivates them

Because if you're not motivated, you can't do well, and he's done very well

for himself.

But you have to be motivated.

One of the things that made me want to be in a group when I first started it at

school was that thing of being shy and thinking that that would help me to kind

of get girls.

It would be like a calling card.

They would want to speak to you, so you would get over the awkward thing of

having to go up to a girl and talk to her.

They might talk to you first.

And it does happen.

And that's okay. That's a reasonable impetus for starting a group.

One, two, three, four.

She came from Greece. She had a thirst for knowledge.

She studied sculpture at St. Martin's College.

That's where I caught her eye.

She told me that her dad was loaded.

I said, in that case, I'll have rum and coal. And she said, fine.

She said, I want to live like common people. I want to do

whatever common people do. I want to sleep with common people. I want to

sleep with common people like you.

What else could I do?

I took her to a supermarket.

I don't know why, but I had to start it somewhere.

So I started there.

Different class.

I suppose that's the biggie, isn't it, really?

And that was always my favourite cover, really, because I liked the fact that

you could interchange, like, your favourite band member, and I thought

that was quite good, you know.

and of course always for me it'd be candida you see she was always the one

that i'd have on on my my wall um she still is actually this was the first one

i ever bought and the first record that ever came out pulpit got like that which

is 1983 and that's 95 so that's massive 12 years

between those and um

That a lot for people to sort of maintain relationships like that. I mean

marriages don't last that long a government doesn't last that long.

Do you know what I mean?

And then hardcore we still got a lot of trouble for that one, you know, I

remember Well a lot of feminist groups that were objected to the LP people

fairly, you know obvious reasons really The title track is just a phenomenal

piece of music really I always like joining in on that one live.

I love dishes as well. That's really good

I am not Jesus, though I have the same initials, you know.

I must stay home and I must do the dishes, which, at that point in time, I

pretty much lived with Jarvis and Joel and Martin and all them, and I can never

once remember seeing him with a fucking dishcloth in his hand. I can't remember

it. It might have happened, but not when I was there.

I think he kind of has it done like this yeah in the 90s a little bit over his

ears and um maybe doing something like that or

does this one he does oh

and of course there's the

My husband thinks I'm quite mental.

He's not really into pulp. He just accepts that Jarvis is probably the

third person in our relationship, even though Jarvis doesn't actually know

that. But he is.

We do get a bit obsessive, you know.

I have pulp underwear, you know. I think a lot of people out there should have

pulp underwear.

It should be on sale everywhere, I think.

What do pulp underwear say?

My pulp underwear, I made it myself actually and it says pulp on the front

and it says Jarvis on my bum.

Quite like Jarvis on my bum.

Only in your underwear If you could close your

eyes And just remember That this is what you wanted

last night So why is it so hard For you to touch him For you

to go and Give yourself to him Oh Jesus I couldn't stop it now There's

no way to get out. You're standing far too near. How the hell did you get here?

Semi-naked in somebody else's room.

I'd give my whole life to see it.

Oh, would you see it?

Stood there.

Only in your underwear.

I wanna, I wanna, I wanna see it now.

The important part of the human condition is the imaginative function.

And surroundings don't make that much difference, I don't think.

It's what's going on in your head that really counts.

Sheffield's never been a beautiful place, but you could find all those

things, sometimes in the most unlikely corners.

That's why a song like Sheffield Sex City got written, I suppose.

You know, because it's not... I guess when people get off the train and get

off Sheffield Station, I would have thought that that's not the first thing

that pops into their head. Mmm, I'm in Sex City.

But for me it was, because that's where all my kind of formative experiences

took place.

So many of the pop songs were about sex.

Yes.

Like, that's something I really like about them. Yeah.

And I'm, like, is that, like, do you guys all think about sex? We're not

obsessed, no. You're not obsessed? No, no. I think it's just Jarvis is a little

bit obsessed, yeah.

Probably because he doesn't get much.

It's really rare for anyone to write about sex well.

Like, you know, there's 99.9 records about sex are just about doing it all

night long and so on.

You know, which happens occasionally, doesn't it? But most of the time it's

not like that.

There's a handful of writers on there who have written about sex well.

Like Prince, maybe Bill Callaghan, but just mostly people that just crap at it.

And it's really weird that, you know, that skinny bloke from Sheffield turns

out to be really good at it.

And I guess it's partly from leaving in all the... They're not about banging

away, are they? They're not really about the act.

They're about...

um other things like you know like embarrassments and mess and clothes and

uh you know

I think what is fascinating is that moments are taken from life and

that they are then quite interesting and cut out.

And that's what makes it so that you can really identify with the texts, because

it's just taken from life.

And what do you normally do in life?

Yes, I studied BWL and I'm shopping for a big food discount.

Yes. Okay.

You know, in the run-up to the show, it's a bit like the circus, I suppose,

when the lion's in the cage.

Keep it in the fucking cage at all costs, you know.

Don't let it...

Get out into the general community or you know, I mean keep it in that Keep it

in the cage.

Don't feed it so Come the time that you that you sort of lay out its case to do

some tricks It's up for it, you know and again, that's what

my day is about really is sort of

You know, yeah, I've got some lions and I am going to get them out today, but

not yet, you know, later.

And in the meantime, what I need to do is keep the lion in a good mood, you

know. I want all the roaring later, you know.

There was this show that we did just before I left Sheffield to go to London.

I suppose I was getting dramatic and thinking it was like our swan song or

something.

And we called it The Day That Never Happened, and it was going to be like a

big extravaganza.

And the video projector had broken, so instead of having this big projection

behind us, we ended up with a kind of normal domestic television with some

tinfoil on it.

dry ice in a saucer because they couldn't afford dry ice in those days.

And it barely spilled over the edge of the saucer. It was pathetic.

And then there was a song which required snow.

So we had some confetti or bits of paper, whatever.

And then we had these kind of industrial fans that were so pathetic they were

like hair dryers.

And me and my friend Michael had to kind of run across the stage with these hair

dryers trying to make it look like a snow blizzard.

Mark came on stage with some friends, trying to use this very ineffectual wind

machine, which just made it look like they were trying to hoover up the mess

on the stage. It didn't look very impressive at all.

It did cross my mind that in some way doing this show in Sheffield was trying

to kind of do that show properly.

So I thought I'd try and revive that on a bigger scale.

Jarvis said, oh, I'm thinking of reforming the band. And my instant

thought was, oh, my God, I can't play it anymore. I just can't do it. And I won't

physically be able to do it. And that was really hard.

I kind of just wanted to break down into tears when he said we were thinking of

reforming, because it was the last thing I wanted to do at the time.

So when we did get together and rehearse, and we roughly rehearsed to

perfection 46 songs, and I realised I could play them all, it was

a huge relief.

That was a period.

When I used to hate it, and I would spend most of the concert with my back

to the audience, and then when I turned round, I remember one specific moment

where I turned round and I must have been looking pretty miserable, and I

looked at the first row and they just looked so happy, and I just felt so

miserable, and I just felt like a total fake.

This was in the late 90s, not in the recent tour.

But then, you know, you go away and you have a normal life and then you realize

that maybe it's not that bad to be in a group playing concerts to thousands of

people.

Well, it happened years ago.

We lived on Stamford Road.

Well, listen to your sister when she came home from school.

She was two years older.

She had boys in her room.

I listened outside. I heard her. All right.

Well, I was all right for a while, but soon I wanted more.

I want to see as well as hear, and so I hid inside her water, and

she came home round four, and she was in some kid's coat, David, from the garage

up the road. I listened outside.

I heard her. I was.

Oh, I want to take you home.

Are you going to the concert tonight?

Colt, at the arena?

No, we never go to concerts, Colt.

We're too old for that kind of game.

No, it's Jarvis Joe.

Joe's his father, isn't it? Is it Joe his father or is it his uncle?

I don't think they're related.

Oh, I thought it was his uncle.

Do you know Jarvis Cocker? Yeah, I've seen him before he ever became famous.

Do you like dancing?

Oh, I dance to anything.

Any music, and I'm on the dance floor.

No, she can't do it.

Legs won't let me.

Her legs won't let her.

And how did you guys meet?

Me and the loony then.

Yeah.

Yeah. And he asked what was wrong with me.

And I was like, I've got anxiety and OCG and body dysmorphia.

I was like, what, a body dysmorphia where you think you're ugly?

She was like, yeah. And I was like,

I'd fuck you.

Yeah. And it was the start of something beautiful.

It was the start of something beautiful.

Yeah, and you asked me what I was into.

I said, serial killers.

And you were like, oh my god, you're my perfect girl. And then you produced this

magazine on serial killers out of your satchel.

You just had it. It was fate.

It just happened to be a magazine on serial killers.

Yeah, that's basically what happened.

They said to my mum, they said, a person is like a computer.

And so you need to reset them by taking away all the hardware. So they'd take

away your name. They wouldn't call me by my name.

And they wouldn't let me listen to music or play music.

You're not allowed to hug anyone.

And that drove me mad. So when I escaped, which I did, I made it over to

Sheffield and saw a girlfriend and we had lots of affection and listened to

lots of music.

And it was brilliant. But then there was a big bang on the door and it was a riot

van and they took me back.

I was absolutely fine. I was happy after that because I'd had some affection and

listened to some music.

I just wanted to listen to Jarvis Cocker's Sunday Service, and he wouldn't

let me.

And how did you guys meet?

Funnily enough, we met at a Jarvis concert.

Yeah, in 2008, he played Manchester Academy.

And I met her there, and I've never been able to get rid of her since.

I told people I was coming to see Pulp and they were like, shouldn't they be

like on Zimmerframes by now?

And it's all coming on in wheelchairs. And I was like, don't say that.

He's, Javis Cocker's like, what is he, 50? An icon.

And he's probably going to put on a show better than people half his age.

And it's going to be, I can't even think about how good it's going to be. He's

going to be there thrusting on stage.

And dancing.

Preparations will start with a cup of tea, because that's good for your

throat.

And then, should you have any ailments, then you

can use this thing here.

This is very, you know, anything that could happen. You've got a headache, it

can be sorted.

You've got a blocked nose.

You can be sorted.

You need some vitamin, it's okay. You can be sorted.

You've hurt yourself, you need to put some cold gel on it. You can be sorted.

You want to comb your hair?

Alright, let's do it.

You want to take illicit drugs?

Oh no, you need to either go to the toilet or stop going to the toilet. You

can be sorted.

What you wear on the stage is very important, I think.

It's like you're putting your armour on before.

Going into battle or something. So you have to feel right I mean you could say

that by wearing heels that high that makes it a bit hard to jump around and

to climb up things and stuff, but I Like that aspect of setting yourself a

challenge or something, you know, and That's one of the great things about

performance for me is like You get to lose yourself a bit and and

get over your self-consciousness or

overthinking things.

And, you know, sometimes people say, well, what goes on in your mind whilst

you're on stage?

But the great thing is that nothing's going on at all.

People tell you that if you read lots of self-help books, they always go on

about, oh, you've got to live in the moment and all that stuff.

But, like, on stage you actually can live in the moment.

He's always been an exhibitionist, there's been no doubt about it.

But he's just not bought into the idea that you have to back off from that.

It's what happens when those singers get older.

But it seems to me that he's put a big stop sign and said, I'm embracing the

exhibitionism more.

And I'm really impressed by that. I think it's brought something extra to

these concerts.

And what are some of your favourites? Do you have any?

Yeah, I like hardcore.

I like his performance in it.

Because he's in the zone.

You know, I just wish I could climb inside sometimes and see what he's

seeing.

Because I'm sure he doesn't see a lot other than a haze.

I definitely know that he doesn't see a lot other than a haze because his

glasses are always steamed up. So beyond...

the rims of his spectacles he probably ain't got a fucking clue what's going on

but um i just wish i could climb in there sometimes and and and

see it you know how he sees it

when

you do a live concert hopefully that's a time when the songs will come back to

life you know you you kind of relive them because all the moving about on the

stage and that is all just me you know i haven't been to see a choreographer you

could probably tell it's just you know when we first started doing concerts i

used to stand absolutely still because i was really nervous and shy i think it

was only once when we had we did a show and like one of the amplifiers broke

down or something and i just kind of freaked out and writhed around on the

floor in a kind of... just like a tantrum, I suppose.

And then people really clapped at the end.

Do you think you're performing more when you're on stage or right now when you're

talking to me?

When are you at your most not performing in life?

Not performing. Yeah, like right now, are you performing or is this the...

Well, I know that you're filming me, so I'm kind of... Yeah, performing a bit, I

suppose.

I'm aware of you.

Yeah.

I'm aware of you.

But... I don't know, when I'm asleep.

I'm not performing then.

So what do I do?

I've got this slightly sick feeling in my stomach.

Like I'm standing on top of a very high building.

All the things I tell you about in the movies.

But this isn't chocolate boxes and roses.

It's dirtier than that.

It's like a small animal that only comes out at night.

Unless she flashes.

The shape of your breasts and the curve of your belly.

And I have to lie down and catch my breath.

And it's so cold.

Yeah,

it's so cold.

Is. This.

She and Cora.

Why me?

Why you?

Why here?

Why now?

How? How?

How? How?

How?

How?

Imagine in here there's a cinema full of people.

Why not?

In here, yeah. They're not in there now.

But they're looking at you now. What do you want to say to them?

I'd say about what?

Anything in the world you could say that people in Australia are going to hear,

people in America are going to hear.

New Zealand.

I'd say to all the parents out there that you've just got to

take pride in life and if you've got kids, then treat them everything they

want.

don't make them spoil but like things the dreams that they want just do them

for them because they might not be able to do that again i like being young and

some kids want to grow up really fast which i think is just ridiculous because

i wouldn't want so i'd want to spend the most time in the car while i'm young

because you won't be able to do that again Because you'll be an adult and

then you'll be an elder then you'll soon die.

So I'd want to spend as much time as I can being young and say if I was a

teenager I'd want to just say I am a little girl still.

What do you guys think about? Do you guys want to be famous? Is that

something you ever think about? And what do you think it would be like being

famous? What everyone strives to have when they're older, like, oh, I need to

be famous, I need to be rich, I need to be this. Yeah, you need to have all this

money, but you don't really need it. Yeah, you just need to be who you are. I

won't like it because you won't even be able to walk on the street and go

shopping. Because some of the happiest people in the world are poor.

And they all start off like... They're just happy with what they've got. They

don't need money to be happy. It's actually, like, normal people, like, get

famous, like, when they're getting that.

But like all famous people started off as young normal children like us.

Oh, Steve

Mackie! It's amazing. We saw him in Brisbane in Australia at a festival and

we accidentally may have thrown something at his face.

May have hit him a little bit. May have hit him in the face.

Didn't even break his concentration.

Didn't miss a beat.

There was a point in Pulp when we wanted to be a pop band.

I think we seemed determined to prove to people that even if you came from the

outer reaches of pop music, the left field, you could still succeed in being

a pop band.

That's kind of where Different Class and all that kind of period came from. We

were quite driven by that idea.

And then you suddenly get into the pop arena and you just realise you hate it.

It's full of people with values that you don't like.

And that's probably what led to us making This Is Hardcore. It's like a,

shit, we've got to get out of this room, I don't like it in here.

And so then you try and make the weirder record you can to escape from all those

people.

It wasn't all happy memories.

It was quite dark, some of it, the whole hardcore time, and I thought, oh, God.

I don't want to face all that again.

In what way dark?

Just... Well, I started... It's happened in panic attacks.

We had this huge panic attack on tour in Germany once, and it was just horrible,

and I just wanted to scream my head off. But I thought, if I start freaking out,

I might not stop.

This is hardcore.

There is no way back for you.

Oh, this is hardcore.

This is the old top of you. And

I can't believe that it took me this long.

One way I described it once that I thought was interesting was to be famous

it was like as if somebody kidnapped you in the middle of the night and Stuck you

in a dark car and then drove you off and then just dumped you in Portugal

or somewhere

And so you were just suddenly in another world.

And so it cut me personally off from just being able to do normal things, you

know, which I'd never really appreciated it until I couldn't do those normal

things anymore, you know.

I don't know. I wasn't cut out for it. But I don't really like to go on about

it because it just sounds a bit moany, doesn't it? But it didn't agree with me.

It was like a nut allergy, you know.

He just didn't agree with me.

Help the aged, because one day you'll be older too. You might need someone who

can pull you through.

And if you look very hard behind those lines upon their face, you may see where

you're headed, and it's such a lonely place.

In the meantime we try, try to forget that nothing lasts forever.

No big deal, so give us all a feel. Funny how it all falls away.

When did you first realise it's time you took an older lover, baby?

Teach you stuff, although he's looking rough. Funny how it all falls away.

You can dye your hair, but it's the one thing you can't change. Can't run away

from yourself.

In the meantime we try, so help the aged.

I like that because it's just...

Well, it says what I feel, that getting old is what happens, and you should feel

comfortable about it.

And yeah, you can dye your hair, but I don't dye mine.

Help the injured.

Don't just let them get a hold.

Can't have much fun when they're all on their own.

Give a hand if you can.

Try and help them to unwind.

Give them hope and give them comfort because they're running out of time.

Every time we try.

When I wrote that song, when I was writing the words, I was trying to

imagine what my generation is going to be like when we're pensioners, you know.

Because you always think of pensioners as being some kind of quaint

curio from days gone by, and you're not going to be one.

And then you hear them, when I was a kid, you'd hear them singing songs

like...

The Lambeth Walk or something like that, you know, like antiquated songs.

My old man said, follow the van and don't dilly dally on the way.

All this kind of stuff, you know, but obviously for my generation, it would be

more, you know, I'd like to move it, move it. I'd like to move it, move it.

I'd like to move it, even though you can't really move it very much.

I would like to move it, move it, but I can no longer move it.

So I was just thinking about how inappropriate that would be.

But it's in the old age homes of the future.

And are you looking forward to getting older? No.

No, because you know there's only one way that

road is leading, which we try to not

particularly look at that destination too closely.

No, I can't say that I'm really buzzing off getting older, but I accept it. It's

inevitable

You're not here for lunch so you might as well make the most of it.

That's it.

I've had seven kids.

I lost my husband 25 years ago and brought five of them up on me own.

And you take the road with this move and just get on with it.

You can't afford to be miserable.

There's not much point in being miserable.

I really enjoy life.

I enjoy nice blue skies.

I even enjoy a little bit of lemon, it's been too hot.

And as I say, you're not here for a long time, so enjoy while you're here.

Why not?

Because this sounds too good!

Too good!

It seems I saw you in some teenage wet dream.

I like it. Get up if you know why.

Let's star in it together, oh You ain't can move

Till I say action

Put your money where your mouth is tonight.

Leave your makeup on.

I'll leave from the light.

Come over here, babe, and talk in the mic.

We are here now.

It's going to be one hell of a night. You

can be.

Now take these dreams of mine.

We'll be on stage and we'll be thinking, you know, this is the centre of the

universe here, but, you know, there'll be people doing all sorts of things.

Some people will be bored out of their minds watching the telly.

Some people will be going and scoring some drugs somewhere, getting off their

heads.

Somebody will probably be giving birth.

Somebody will be dying. You know, I find that fascinating, the fact that all

these things, all these parallel stories are all going on.

At the same time, you know, and that's just one city, you know, that's just

Sheffield one medium-sized city in the north of England

We made it.

Well done.

Thank you.

Can you swear?

Oh, it's fine.

At this time of the evening, it's nice, isn't it?

Oh, you look beautiful.

And we're just walking through that early morning sunlight.

And we're okay.

We're all right.

Spent you a coffee, that's all.

I went down to see him at Hyde Park.

I mean, there were 50,000 there.

There were 75,000 at some other one he did that I went to. I can't remember the

name of it this year.

That's a lot more than there's in here tonight, but these are his people.

You're always nervous doing it in front of your home crowd.

I think you'll find that most musicians are very nervous about doing it in front

of their home crowd.

And do you think he's nervous doing it in front of you as well? I think it

worries him as well. Because in the old days he used to say, I've got to bathe

myself tonight, my mother's in the audience.

We

would

like to thank you very much for being here this evening.

Thank you.

Thank you so much.

Thank you for spending the time with us.

Before we say goodbye, could I introduce you to the people you've been listening

to this evening?

On violin, Miss Jean Cook.

On the electric six-string guitar, Mr Mark Webber.

On the keyboards is Captain O'Doyle.

The master of the drums is Nick Banks.

Helping us on guitar, Mr Richard Hawley.

On the bass guitar is Steve Mackey.

And here, on the electric guitar, is Leo Abraham.

You are Sheffield.

My name is Jarvis.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you.

Thank you. And you.

And you. And especially you.

And I... I wanna...

Wanna live with?

I wanna live with!

I wanna live with!

And you're flying back tomorrow?

9.55 in the morning.

Where to?

Back to Chicago and then I go to Atlanta. I should get to Atlanta.

I don't think I can sleep.

I don't know.

And then back to being a nurse.

Back to being a nurse and a mom.

And the dream is over.

It's nice.

I think the concert was okay and it was important to do it.

And I think it was good that we left Sheffield till the last thing.

You know, life is a random process, I think. But you can add a narrative to

it. And so, by doing that, it just seemed logical that you would do this

thing and then you would finish in the place where it all started.

We were setting ourselves up for a bit of a fall by doing that.

Because it could have gone horribly wrong.

Because if you put too much importance on something, you're just asking for it

to crumble and be rubbish.

But I didn't feel that that happened, and it felt like a

kind of a good end point.

But then you do actually carry on living, so then you have to think what

you're going to do after that.

Why did I write this song on that one day?

Why did you touch my hand and softly say?

Stop asking questions that don't matter anyway

Just give us a kiss to celebrate

here today Something changed

We changed the way we were going Where would

I be now?

Where would I be now if we'd never met?

Would I be singing this song to someone else instead?

I don't know, but like you just said

Something changed.

Thank you.

Go honey, go!

Oh,

hello.

We hope you have enjoyed this film, the ups and downs, the laughter and the

tears.

And, yeah, now it's time to go back into real life.

But thank you very much for your attention and for giving these precious

minutes of your life to think about some of these ideas.

And it's been a pleasure to spend this time in your company. Thank you very

much.

Beautiful. I'll record the next one. No, I'm joking.