Original subtitles

[typewriter clacking]

[Tony] If people knew

what this man and his family did to me,

they'd demand it be made right.

People just waitin' to see me die!

I know that you don't abandon hope

without hope abandoning you first,

so why don't you and I work together on this,

make sure we get through this thing safe and sound?

The immunity agreement isn't real.

It's all bullshit.

You have to sell the immunity, Fred.

Sorry. I don't sell lies on the news.

Two men's lives are at stake here.

[Fred] WIBC can confirm that the unprecedented agreement

exonerates Kiritsis.

Kiritsis, if he so wishes,

can walk out of Crestwood Apartments

a free man.

[Tony] Signed, sealed, and delivered!

[Wilson] Maybe they tapped Tony's phones.

Maybe Rucks knew about it the whole time,

maybe he didn't.

Maybe those hypothetical confidential phone calls

fall under client-lawyer privilege.

Maybe those hypothetical phone calls

also got them on tape.

[Ben] Whoa. We're with WIBC.

Excuse me. No! Whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa!

You know they're gonna kill him, right?

Handkerchief.

McNally.

Tony.

Then Walt goes...

...and I shoot.

[hammer clicks]

[percussive music]

[typewriter clacking]

[tuning radio]

[reel-to-reel machine clicks]

[main show theme begins]

[upbeat jazz playing]

[reel-to-reel clicks]

[upbeat jazz playing]

- [tuning radio] - [telephone ringing]

[upbeat jazz playing]

[disconnected tone beeping]

[upbeat jazz playing]

[clock chiming]

[he sighs wearily]

[sighing]

[Fred] Where is everyone?

You missed it.

[spotlight turns on]

Is that blood?

Like I said... you missed it.

[bucket sloshing]

[his spotlight turns off]

[alarm clock ringing]

[typewriter clacking]

[Fred sighs]

[turning alarm off]

[sighing]

[exhaling heavily]

[overlapping chatter]

[McNally jumps]

Flip the lights on, please?

[powering on]

[McNally] Thank you.

[overlapping chatter]

Hey. What the hell? What's going on here?

Tony can't resist the show.

Well, how does this show end?

All the world's a stage, Fred.

[Fred] Well, it's not over yet, Tony.

Now, listen, I want you to think about something.

There's an awful lot of cameras down here,

and they're all at the ready.

What exactly are they gonna see?

Me walkin' out a rich man and a national hero.

You need to come down here unarmed.

[Tony] The immunity agreement didn't specify

I'd have to be unarmed. Don't worry so much, Fred.

Listen, I-I ain't goin' back to a hospital,

and if... and if I have to wave a gun around to be free,

well, that's what I'm gonna do.

Please, Tony.

I'll think about it, baby.

Listen, I want to share a steak with you.

Tell 'em I'm comin' down.

[dial tone buzzing]

He's coming down.

[Greek instrumental playing]

How do I look?

[Tony] Don't get any fuckin' ideas!

Go. Go.

Go.

[man] You okay, Tone?

[chuckling]

[Tony] Isn't that somethin'.

[woman] I love you, Tony!

Hey, everyone!

[music slows and ends]

[breathing heavily]

[wind whooshing]

Mr. Kiritsis.

FBI Special Agent Cormac McNally.

[Tony] Who's got the statement?

Give it to Dick, Chief.

Give it to Dick.

He's gonna read it.

Where's Mikey?

I'm right here, Tone!

Hey, Rick, how're you... where's Mikey?

Tone! I'm right here.

- Hey! [chuckles] - Right here, Tone.

Ciao, baby!

You got this.

Yeah, I'm the maniac. I'm the fuckin' maniac.

We're in the home stretch, baby!

[man] You be strong.

- Mr. Fred Heckman. - Tony.

Great to see you in the flesh.

Gonna be a hell of a show.

Hell of a show.

[clamoring]

[Tony] Get the hell out of the way!

Get out of the way!

Get out of the way!

Get the hell out of the way!

[camera clicks]

Turn the goddamn cameras on!

I'm gonna show you something!

Read that, pal! Read it!

Turn the cameras on, all three channels!

Hold it, hold it!

I've been called a kidnapper,

an extortionist,

a thug, and everything else!

I want it on all three national channels!

I've got friends all over the country!

Where's Fred Heckman? - Right here, Tony.

Right here. - Get over here!

Come here, Fred! Come here, Fred.

Why so shy?

[laughs] Come here!

Look at this guy!

You guys with them Kodaks, get the hell outta the way!

Listen.

This gentleman here is with WIBC.

Without his unbiased reporting,

with-without the fairness of his company,

WIBC in Indianapolis,

I would be considered a goddamn thug today.

I owe everything to this man.

[quietly] Fred Heckman has joined Tony Kiritsis,

by his side.

Now, you guys be... be good and quiet,

and let this gentleman read that.

Goddamn near made me blow his goddamn brains out.

Hold it, hold it! Hold it. We got all three goin'?

All three n-nationals?

- Yeah. - Yeah? Okay.

[Tony] Put it on him, pal.

We're partners in this. - [quietly] It appears

that Dick Hall is going to read a prepared statement.

[Tony] Read it! Wait-wait-wait! Wait.

Where's-where's Chief Gallagher?

Right here, Tony.

[Tony] Chief, I got some good news for you,

and I hope you take it well.

All I had in them bottles was gasoline.

I just wanted to fry the son of a bitch,

but I had it rigged, pal.

Now, read it!

[Dick clears his throat]

"February 10th, 1977.

This statement is being made

to try and state the items that Mr. Kiritsis...

alludes to...

as being illegal..." - No, no, no. No-no-no-no.

You're not doing it right.

I... you know, I want this thing understood.

[chuckles] I'll read it.

"February 10th, 1977..."

I-I need a glass of water.

Uh, can we... grab us some water?

Whoever's closest, just a cup of water.

[Tony] "This statement is being made

to try and state the items that Mr. Kiritsis alludes..."

and I don't like that word.

I-I charge, and they've admitted it...

[Dick gasps and groans]

[crowd gasping]

"...requesting that the loan be paid in full.

Of course, if..."

[Fred] Take this up there.

Get it up there quick.

[Tony] "...not paid by August 1, 1977, parentheses...

This lease negotiation approved the Kiritsis site

and had a deferent... definite interest in building there."

Here, Tony. Here's the water for you.

[drinking]

Oh!

Thank you, Fred.

Good guy.

"We show Eisner-Osco other sites,

but to date,

they have not made any commitments,

to the best of our knowledge.

Number two..."

Now, listen, Eisner-Osco was my tenant, by the way.

They were my tenant.

Remember all... remember that!

"We also showed them other sites.

It is our understanding

that Marsh built on another site,

which we had nothing to do with."

That's 'cause they couldn't steal 'em.

Right, Walt?

[Tony starts laughing]

This trooper right here, hell of a good friend of mine.

Come here, Walt.

Hell of a guy. I got a lot of... lot of friends here.

He's seen me... He's seen me...

...almost every night, almost every night,

for three or four years,

at a couple restaurants around here,

having coffee.

He always wondered what was wrong.

Now he knows.

Hell of a cop. Good cop.

Whoa, whoa, whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...

Shit!

[cocking gun]

[Tony] Where's that goddamn thing?

[Fred] I'll get it for you. Tony, let me get it for you.

There you go. There you go.

Shoot. - [Tony] That's okay.

Fred, you got that all wet.

- Oh, I'm sorry. - [Tony chuckles]

You guys, it's all wet!

[laughter]

These guys!

This is Fred Heckman.

[flashbulbs popping]

[jaunty instrumental version of "Cheek to Cheek" plays]

[music continues]

[music continues]

...this brave young man and his father would have said

is that they said, "Hey, listen, Tony.

Here's what we're gonna do. Here's what we're gonna do.

Because you're a nice fellow,

because we really love you,

because we would never wanna do anything to hurt you,

we're gonna keep the cream.

We're gonna keep the front 10 acres for $130,000,

and you can keep the back seven, where all the hogs shit."

[crowd chuckling]

Pardon my language, ladies and gentlemen.

I curse 'cause it's good for my ulcer. I don't have one!

- [crowd laughing] - Where's my attorney?

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa...

[Fred] Guys. Let's give him some space.

- [Tony] Back up, back up! - [Fred] Give him some space.

I'm holdin' a fucking shotgun, guys!

[firing]

[ringing in ears]

[ringing ends abruptly]

[Tony] Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa! Give me some room!

I'm holding a fuckin' shotgun!

But I'm cool. I'm cool.

You ain't seen me shake no place.

[statement rustling]

The only thing waggin' is my tongue,

and that never gets tired when I'm mad.

Walt, pull my pants up.

[laughs] Pull my pants up, Walt!

[laughter spreads]

[chuckling continues]

Where's Chuck Wilson?

Where's Ruckelshaus?

[man] Back here.

Tony, we're-we're right here.

[Tony chuckles] There he is.

There he is, that son of a bitch.

Well, where you been?

Well, you're awful bashful tonight.

Not usual, when you want your attorney's fees.

Well, uh... I'm the shy one.

[Tony] Oh, man. You know, I came down here.

I-I shaved before I came down here.

You didn't even come up.

Get that goddamn thing done!

We're-we're on that right now, Tony.

Heading there right now.

[Tony] Listen. Hey, listen, Ruck.

If you weren't such a good lawyer,

I don't know what I'd do without you.

Tony, You look great.

[Tony] Thank you.

[Fred mouths words]

[Tony] I'm the man they called a goddamn kidnapper!

I'm a goddamn national hero, and don't you forget it.

[Wilson] Rucks!

Rucks, where are you going?

Hey, what are we gonna do?

Hypothetically, this might be the kind of thing

that the bar might disapprove of, you know?

Rucks? Hey, listen to me.

What are we gonna do?

"We"?

Um...

This, my friend, is where we...

part ways.

What do you mean, Rucks?

[Wilson] Rucks!

[Tony] Where's Jimmie?

[Fred] Uh, Jimmie's on his way.

Where's my brother Jimmie?

He's on his way, Tony. All right? He's-he's coming.

I love that man. He's a hell of a...

Hell of a guy! Hell of a good guy.

I know a lot of good people.

You know, I-I got some friends...

that might be watching this in various places,

and I want them to know that...

that I'm not trying to be funny.

I never liked notoriety,

and I... and I don't like it any more tonight.

My aunt in Akron, Ohio,

and my cousins...

and I got some damn good Greek friends

in the state of Florida,

and some people that I was in the Army...

I was in the Army with in New England,

and the good people of Indianapolis...

I want them to know that, by God, I was right...

and this damn well oughta prove it!

[Jimmie cries]

I did... you don't have to be ashamed,

and I was terrified that I embarrassed...

[shutters snapping]

And I... and I have to... I have to apologize

to this man's family.

I'm sorry, Dick. I'm sorry.

I'm sorry I humiliated him this... in this way.

[quietly] Hey... Tony, you okay?

[Tony] Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm steady.

[cameras snapping]

And I cry all the time.

It makes the ladies like me. They think I'm gentle.

[all chuckling]

Why don't we get you someplace a little cooler, huh, Tony?

- Yeah. - Maybe we'll...

we'll go back to that little back... backroom?

[Tony] Yeah. Come on, Dick. Come on.

We'll get you to the nice, cool room.

Maybe you could sit down, and we'll wait for Jimmie.

[murmuring]

- There you go, pal. - Yeah. Shit.

[Ben] What are you doing?

"Peaceful resolution," remember?

[Ben] It's on. It's recording.

[Fred] Thank you. Thank you.

[Ben] He's moving off with Fred Heckman.

They're going around the corner.

He says he wants to go somewhere

cooler... rather...

um, I repeat,

Tony Kiritsis,

who still has the deadman's line

around his hostage, Dick Hall...

they are behind closed doors.

For now, we wait.

- [door opens] - [reporters shouting]

You have a Superior Court judge

lined up to oversee his bail hearing when this is done?

That's correct.

No fucking argument about bail.

The judge watches the news.

[clock ticking]

Because we cannot afford to fucking fuck this up,

or we're fucked.

Yeah. I'm aware of that, Gene.

[clock ticking]

[media clamoring]

- [man] God damn it! - [door closing]

[knocking]

Change of plans.

[indistinct chatter]

[intriguing music]

[quiet conversations]

[intriguing music]

[quiet conversations]

[gunshot fires]

[Tony] Fuck, yeah!

[laughing]

I've been wanting to do that for three days!

[laughs] Oh, shit.

- [door bangs open] - On the ground!

[Tony] No, no, no!

Unh! I have immunity! I have immunity!

Bag it.

I have immunity!

You voided the deal when you came down armed, Tony.

I have immunity!

[Tony] You were never gonna give it to me anyways, were you?

[Tony rages]

Did you know about this?

[Tony] Did you know about this?

[distant siren wailing]

[Gallagher] Take him.

[Tony groans]

- [flashes popping] - [reporters clamoring]

[commotion continues]

[reporters clamoring]

Fred!

[reporters continue shouting]

[melancholic music]

[crowd clamoring]

[reporter] How are you feeling, Tony?

[melancholic music]

[siren wailing]

[reporters clamoring]

[Fred] After 68 hours,

this crisis has peacefully ended.

Richard Hall has been discharged from the hospital,

and is now resting comfortably

at home with his wife and children.

The pre-trial hearing of Anthony Kiritsis

will begin today in Superior Court 5.

Judge Michael Dugan will sit as a replacement

for Judge John Tranberg of Criminal Court.

Kiritsis is being held in jail

on charges of kidnapping,

armed extortion,

and armed robbery.

Kiritsis is contesting the state's right

to prosecute him, as there was...

...an immunity agreement in place.

Kiritsis may also raise questions

of improper collusion with his attorneys

John Ruckelshaus and Charles Wilson

and the District Attorneys during this crisis.

The time is 9:25.

Coming up, sports highlights, followed by the Farm Report,

and at the top of the hour,

a lucky listener's chance to play

"Break the Bank" and win.

This is WIBC.

[jingle playing] ♪ W-I... WIBC ♪

♪ Take your morning drive ♪

♪ And divide by the number of your fresh cups of coffee ♪

♪ Multiply by the time at the... ♪

Ginny, anything yet?

Indiana Bell's still not talking.

Did you try the secretaries?

[Ginny] I even bought Tupperware from two of them.

They are pretty tight-lipped,

but I have a lead on a former employee

who was there during the crisis.

Uh, allegedly, not confirmed.

Well, I think she's gonna talk, so maybe not allegedly at all.

- Oh, I stand corrected. - [phone ringing]

So, nothing concrete yet.

[he sighs]

Sure would love to just plant a seed.

Saying what?

Talk about the existence of illegal wiretap tapes

on a broadcast?

[deep breath]

Big day today.

Yeah.

Any idea what Tony's going to ask you?

Probably why I lied to him about a fake immunity deal

on the radio.

What are you gonna say?

I don't know.

Sure would be great

if we could get our hands on those tapes

before I go on the record, though.

You know, it's interesting about this Judge Dugan.

He's very ambitious, eyes on the Mayor's Office.

I mean, someone like Dugan needs the support

of the cops and the... the lawyers

and the D.A.s.

He sure does.

Uh, oh. Um, I got a call from a Ralph Bass from CBS.

Any idea what that's about?

I have a feeling

someone's about to offer you a very nice job.

Meeting! I need you upstairs. Very important.

Very important! Need you upstairs.

He wants to make a movie.

The meat, the bones,

the lifeblood of this Tony Kiritsis saga...

the standoff, that wild press conference.

Fred, you could play yourself!

Uh, perhaps Fred could be a consultant.

And I could promote the hell outta this, and WIBC.

We could even have the premiere here in town

at the, uh, uh...

Pam, what's the big theater on...?

- Eastwood! - The Eastwood, exactly.

Picture this, your name up in the big lights.

Nice to meet you.

- Okay. - All right, just one second.

Jesus, Fred! Help me out here.

We don't have time for this, Jerry, okay?

We have a lead on the wiretap story.

Oh, is it someone with aluminum foil on their head,

or is it a real lead?

Because I'm starting to worry about you, Fred.

You sound like a loon,

going on and on about these tapes.

You need to get your head on straight, man! Look.

Think of the ratings we could get with this cross-marketing.

Let Tony go to jail or the nuthouse.

This is a real movie,

and you're the fucking hero!

You saved the day!

That's the story.

Hey-hey-hey! Okay.

[director] Are we okay?

[Jerry] Oh, yeah, there's always gonna be

little bumps, but, uh...

[director] It's gonna happen?

[M.L. Hall] I know why you're here.

I know you want an exclusive,

a WIBC exclusive.

Let me tell you why you're not gonna get it.

Barbara Walters.

She currently is considered

the best, most exciting interviewer in the country,

she pulls higher ratings than anyone, so...

to Barbara Walters we go!

Meridian Mortgage

will finally get to right the reeling havoc

you and your ilk

perpetrated against this fine American company

and my family.

Uh, Mr. Hall...

[M.L.] I'm not finished.

You'll not receive access

to me or to Dick

or to any other Meridian employee.

Uh, did, uh... Angie offer you a drink?

[Fred] Yeah, yes. She-she... she sure did.

Uh, we just, Mr. Hall,

thank you again for taking this time.

We just have a few followup questions for Dick.

Uh, Dick's indisposed at the moment.

He's getting a shave and a haircut

before he flies the friendly TWA skies

for a glorious interview.

Any questions, you can ask me.

[Ben] Oh. Well, what's next?

Well, like I said...

Sorry, s-sorry. I-I meant for the land,

for the 17 acres.

Some sort of sheriff sale, right, M.L.?

Something like that.

[Ben] Hmm.

And what are your thoughts

on Mr. Kiritsis' pretrial today?

Throw that small imp of a man in prison

and throw away the key.

He doesn't deserve my thoughts,

my time, or a trial.

[Ben] Interesting.

Oh, I would just think

that you, of all people,

uh, someone who's been through the legal system himself

and-and been convicted of a felony for fraud,

you would understand a man's need for a fair trial.

[Fred] Now, Ben, I don't think

there's any reason to insult Mr. Hall.

Apologies, M.L.

It's all right, Fred.

Let him do his worst.

You think you know everything, don't you?

[Fred] I think we've overstayed our welcome.

Yeah. Uh, good luck with the big interview tomorrow,

and, uh, I apologize if there are any hard feelings

due to our coverage.

I have no doubt that under your leadership,

Meridian will... regain its reputation.

Thank you, Fred.

Maybe we'll see you at the lodge.

Maybe.

And I wouldn't say anything like this on the air,

but I thought your handling of the situation was commanding,

b-but, say, there was one thing that I was wondering.

When did you get wind of the fact

that the promissory note was a hoax?

Because that was a masterful move.

[chuckling smugly]

Well, I didn't need Chief Gallagher

to tell me when he did,

if that's what you're asking.

I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

So he told you during that first phone call, did he?

Quite the vaudeville, if you ask me.

Sure was. Thank you again.

[door closing]

- [Ben] How'd I do? - [Fred] Pretty good.

So we have confirmation, Gallagher called him.

This was all in play from the beginning.

Hmm.

You're gonna do great.

We're gonna get these guys.

[Dick] Before this all ends,

and I don't know what's gonna happen to us...

well...

I forgive you.

I forgive you too.

And you've got a free steak any time you come.

Thanks, Tony.

[groaning] Oh, God.

[tape whirring]

We're gonna be all right, right, Fred?

We're gonna be okay?

You are, Tony.

What's gonna happen to us?

[Tony] Always do a little soft-shoe

before you enter a courthouse.

Oh, that's cold.

[chuckling]

[Tony] There he is!

I'm a celebrity in these parts now.

They cut to me away from John Wayne.

That's the truth.

How many people can say that?

[ringing]

Heckman residence.

- Hi. - Hi.

How's the patient?

No more fever?

No more fever.

We were just having a nutritious lunch.

Are you at the courthouse?

Yeah, I just saw Tony walk by.

Any luck on finding the tapes?

Ginny might possibly have a lead.

Are you worried about testifying?

A lot of people are gonna be upset

with what I have to say...

important people.

Once I testify, they'll know we're onto them.

You afraid of us

losing our good standing at the country club?

[he chuckles]

I guess somethin' like that.

We'll be okay.

I'll talk to you later. I gotta go.

[door opening]

[hanging up]

[Dugan] Who's in the galley?

Uh, Martz? Rimstadt, D.A. Kelley?

How's the press outside?

Well, uh, I don't know.

It's just a pretrial.

Mm.

It would be better for your campaign

if it were a packed room.

There.

Fred Heckman's here.

Oh? Oh, that's good.

[gavel banging]

Ladies and gentlemen, this is a pretrial hearing,

State of Indiana versus Anthony G. Kiritsis.

Its purpose will be to determine

whether there is enough evidence in this case

to proceed with a full trial.

Mr. Mullin, you may call your first witness.

We would like to call Mr. John Ruckelshaus

to the stand.

[Dugan] All witnesses, please step outside.

We'll call you in.

Mr. Ruckelshaus,

what was the nature of the negotiations

you had with the Assistant District Attorneys

Mr. Martz and Mr. Rimstadt?

Well, about as standard as could be,

considering the crisis we were in.

And did you have any sense

that the immunity deal would not be honored?

Absolutely not.

Uh, i-if it's all right

with you, Owen, a-and with you, Your Honor,

uh, may I read from my record of events?

[Dugan] I'll allow it.

Sure, John. Go ahead.

[Ruckelshaus] Okay. Uh, February 9th, 1977,

at a meeting with A.D.A. Martz and A.D.A. Rimstadt,

I said the following, quote,

"The right to fair and zealous counsel is inalienable,

no matter what Mr. Kiritsis may or may not have done.

If you think for one second that myself or my co-counsel

will act as anything other

than Mr. Kiritsis's honest advocates,

think again." End quote.

I then proceeded to demand complete criminal immunity,

as Mr. Kiritsis directed.

[Gallagher] Well, what a fucking day.

No one got shot, no one died,

and what do I get as my reward?

This fucking lunatic,

and this fucking pretrial motion.

This is why people hate lawyers.

You okay, Fred?

Don't you think it's... odd

that Tony's old lawyer

and Tony's new lawyer are so cozy?

Keep your eye on the ball, Fred.

[lighter clicking]

And your discussions with the A.D.A.s

never touched on other matters

outside the scope of Mr. Kiritsis's case?

No, sir.

And have you always held yourself to the ethics

delineated by the Indianapolis State Bar?

Yes, sir.

Has anyone, Chief Gallagher or anyone at the D.A.'s office,

ever suggested to you

that they were not making the offer of immunity

in good faith?

No.

No further questions, Your Honor.

No further ques...

- Mr. Kiritsis! - Your Honor! Your Honor!

I don't want to have to warn you again.

Given the pre-existing amicable relationship

between my current defense lawyer

and my former defense lawyer,

and-and-and given the fact that the only reason I'm here

is to attain the protections

that were unconstitutionally denied me

in February of this year,

moving forward in this hearing,

I will be, uh... I will be representing myself pro se.

[Mullin] Tony, I really don't think...

Yeah, thank you. Yeah, okay. Uh, Your Honor?

Did you get all that, sweetheart?

[Dugan] You are allowed to represent yourself,

Mr. Kiritsis,

but I must caution you.

In the words of Abe Lincoln himself,

be prepared to have a fool for a client.

Thank you, Your Honor.

I intend to be my most zealous advocate.

Clarence Darrow.

Pack it up, buddy.

Pack it up.

Good luck.

[Ruckelshaus] ...said, "I thought she was with you."

[chuckling]

You owe me a new pair of shoes.

Not my finest moment. I apologize.

Well... it was a crazy three days.

Let me ask you a question.

If Meridian's promissory note

had been real and upheld by a court of law,

what was your fee gonna be?

I'm sorry, I don't follow.

I mean, it's a $5 million offer.

You weren't considering what your fee might be?

Well, I was a little busy, if you recall.

I just don't remember reading it anywhere

in the promissory note.

It'd make you the first attorney I ever met

didn't negotiate their fee up from.

[chuckling]

Ahh. He really got to you.

I look forward

to hearing all your wild ideas on your broadcast.

I always loved the sound of your voice, Fred,

as I'm sure you do too.

[Tony] At any point,

was the legally binding offer of immunity,

which I have already entered into evidence,

intended honestly?

It wasn't fake.

You broke the agreement when you came down armed.

And yet the promise to come down unarmed

was made via the phone,

and not in writing, on the original document.

Is that correct?

That's correct.

Mr. Wilson, do you believe the state

intended to honor my immunity offer?

On the advice of counsel, I am exercising my right...

to remain silent and not incriminate myself.

Can I just answer the question for him, Your Honor?

No, Mr. Kiritsis, you may not.

[Martz] "Fake" is a loaded word.

You broke the agreement

when you brought a loaded weapon

to the lobby.

[Tony] Mr. Martz, why were you

meeting with my lawyers

at odd hours of the day, in secret,

if not to let them in on your plan?

What is the policy

of the Indianapolis Police Department

when it comes to storing evidence?

Any pertinent evidence is stored

until such time as it is needed.

A time such as now?

Sure.

[Martz] I unfortunately can't speak

to the exact procedure

for storage or archiving alleged tapes.

- I know about it. - Your Honor!

I know about it!

[Wilson] On advice of counsel,

I am exercising my right to remain silent.

I-I did not aid or abet.

I'm the chief of police!

I don't answer to anybody

except for Mrs. Gallagher and God.

[Martz] It's well-established legal precedent

that agreements made under duress

are not legally binding.

I did not aid or...

I don't recall.

[chuckling] I can't recall exactly.

- I do not recall... - The incompetence!

The incompetence of the in...

...and perhaps never knew to begin with.

And what about the drinking? Do you deny

that there was excessive drinking

during the incident, which impaired your judgment?

Your Honor, really?

Why did you represent me if you thought I was crazy?

I thought that you deserved representation,

but that you also needed hospitalization.

Your Honor, I'd... I'd like to request a recess, please.

[Fred] Tony?

Looks like they were able to find you

a little peace and quiet, huh?

Yeah, Deputy Dunlap and Cotes are good men.

Well, I'm still trying to find

the evidence that shows there was collusion...

[Tony] Save it for the stand.

I don't believe anything you say.

I don't believe anything you say.

Take me in, boys.

[clerk] Do you swear to tell the truth,

the whole truth, and nothing but the truth,

so help you God?

I do.

[Fred clears his throat]

[Tony] Mr. Heckman.

Was I just another interview subject to you?

Is that it?

Boy, when I called you up,

you must've been licking your chops.

Interview of a goddamn lifetime.

Pardon my language, Your Honor.

Did you put me on the air and get me to talk

not because you believed I had a point to make,

but for your own selfish reasons?

Is there a relevant question in there?

You got me to trust you.

You told me things to get me to open up.

Meanwhile, you and the other suits

were laughin' it up at my expense.

[Dugan] A question, Mr. Kiritsis.

Yeah, here's a question!

Do you feel guilty

for lying to your audience and betraying their trust?

I do, Tony. I do.

[Tony] Why do it, Fred?

Why?

Because I was trying to save two lives, Tony.

- Oh... - Now, if you want,

you can ask me the same questions

you asked all the other witnesses.

No, I don't need to.

I already... I already know what you're gonna say.

I don't think you do, Tony.

"I'm Fred Heckman, I'm the biggest liar of 'em all."

Tony, I'm here to tell the truth.

[chuckling]

Now, if you want to ask me about the immunity agreement...

Objection, Your Honor!

...you can ask me about the immunity agreement!

- Objection, Your Honor! - Mr. Heckman,

please answer questions you've been a...

[Tony] Oh, no, no, no.

No further questions, Your Honor.

I wouldn't believe a word this man says.

I liked him better when he was just

a voice on the radio I could turn off.

At least with a lawyer,

you know you're gonna get cheated.

[Dugan] The witness is dismissed.

[children giggling]

[Ibby] Are you all packed?

I'm...

I'm not doing the interview.

You canceled on Barbara Walters?

- [he chuckles] - [she laughs]

Does M.L. know?

No.

Well, then, where are you going?

I'm just gonna go for a drive...

and clear my head.

Well, I hope you make it home in time for dinner.

Who... wants to have a dance party?

[Ibby and kids laughing]

[child] A dance party!

[rock music begins playing]

[upbeat music]

Hey there.

How did you find me?

You know...

Barb...

Ibby.

Uh, beer, please?

Whatever's on tap.

Thank you.

So, no, uh...

no big, uh, no big interview, I guess?

No national exposure for Meridian.

No.

[chuckles softly]

No.

And how'd it go with Tony today?

Are we gonna have to testify in trial?

Looks like it.

The judge threw out Tony's motion, so...

I don't know if I can do it, Fred.

Courtroom...

full of strangers, I have to re-live all that?

Well, unfortunately, we don't have the tapes

to catch the people who lied in their lies.

[Dick chuckles]

You were always so fuckin' focused on Tony.

Yeah. How Tony got the raw deal.

I guess crime does pay.

I'm sorry, Dick.

I know...

...but I don't get it.

I don't get it.

Let me tell you something.

That first day,

when you got frog-marched out of the office,

into the cold, with that wire around your neck,

I thought to myself,

"There's no way...

no way in hell this guy survives this."

Every hour you were in that apartment,

I thought the same damn thing.

"There is no way this guy survives this."

How did you do it, Dick? How did you survive?

You have to find a small...

quiet place inside of you that no one can touch...

...and you just stay there.

You do.

I'll get one more.

You know, I had a... I had a tape recorder

in my pocket that night

that the three of us were in the back room.

[chuckling]

I'm-I'm not surprised.

Are you gonna use it?

Some big exposé or something?

I haven't... I haven't shared it with a single person.

[tender Greek instrumental playing]

[music continues]

[Greek music continues]

[Ben] After being found

not guilty by reason of insanity,

Anthony Kiritsis has been remanded

to a psychiatric hospital

to undergo psychiatric evaluation.

President Carter

will participate in Dial-a-President,

a two-hour radio call-in show produced by CBS News

and hosted by Walter Cronkite.

Uh, Fred Heckman to see Tony Kiritsis?

Okay, just sign your name and the time, please.

[footsteps receding]

[exhaling deeply]

[Fred] I wasn't sure you'd see me, Tony.

You see, I have good news and I have bad news,

and the bad news is I can't find the tapes.

I don't know what happened to them.

[Tony] You don't know what happened to the tapes?

I know what happened to the tapes.

They destroyed 'em. That's what happened.

Ruckelshaus and the D.A. made a side deal

about the investigation into police bribery,

and who was the sacrificial lamb in that deal?

Me. Me, me, me, me, me!

I know that, you know that,

and they did that.

You should've done something

when you could've done something.

Why don't you just take the test, Tony?

I mean, the good news is, you were found not guilty

by reason of insanity.

If you submit to the psychiatric evaluation,

there's a good chance you get outta here.

Isn't that what you want?

You want me to submit to a test

for them to determine whether or not I'm crazy.

I'm not crazy. I'm not crazy. I've never been crazy.

I'm not letting these people get-get in-into my head.

That's why I'm appealing, Fred.

People win on appeals.

There's justice for the little guy.

They can't force me to take the test.

It's against my constitutional right as an American.

That I believe in,

and the day I stop believing that I'm gonna walk outta here

is the day I stop being.

I'm sorry I lied to you, Tony.

You know, there's...

People can say whatever they want about me...

they say a lot of things about me,

but the one thing they can't say

is that I lied.

You can never come back from that, Fred.

At the end of the day, all a man has is his word.

All anyone's ever gonna remember about this

is that a madman took his mortgage broker hostage.

You know, that night, when the three of us

were in the back room,

I had a tape recorder in my pocket.

Yeah, that figures.

Be a part of some big exposé.

This is a list

of all the violations committed by these institutions.

You were right.

Judge Dugan did receive kickbacks on certain cases,

and the police did conspire with your attorneys.

It's all...

in there, Tony.

Make a fuss.

We certainly gave 'em a good show,

didn't we, Fred?

You would never say that.

Sir?

[louder] Sir?

Sir, the patient has refused the visit.

Uh, I'm sorry?

Mr. Kiritsis doesn't want to see you.

Oh, uh, well...

could you see that, uh, he gets this?

I'll see what I can do.

Thank you.

[melancholic music]

[ripping tape]

[exhaling deeply]

[Dean Martin's "Oh, Marie" begins to play]

[upbeat music]

♪ We' Marie ♪

♪ We' Marie... ♪

♪ Quanto suonno ca perse per te ♪

♪ Famme' durmi ♪

♪ Una notte abbraciata cu te ♪

♪ We' Marie ♪

♪ We' Marie... ♪

♪ Quanto suonno ca perse per te ♪

♪ Famme' durmi ♪

♪ We' Marie ♪

Look at this guy. Here he is!

- [chuckling] Hey! - Man of the hour.

Look at this beautiful family!

- Thank you. - Beautiful.

- ?? - How are you doing?

This is so... it's delicious!

You enjoying this? It's great to see you.

Listen, it's on me tonight.

♪ We' Marie ♪

Okay, it's good to see you all.

All right, pleasure.

Thank you for coming by.

[Fred] WIBC, December 1st, 1978.

Meridian Mortgage bought Tony's land

for $180,000 in a sheriff's sale,

exactly as Tony had predicted.

M.L., Bill, and Jack Hall died

soon after the hostage crisis,

Dick outliving them all.

He and Ibby divorced.

Dick got sober,

and remained so for the rest of his life.

D.A. Kelley's strike team

investigating police corruption

was suspiciously shuttered two weeks after the crisis.

Barbara Heckman went back to school,

earned her college degree...

...and worked as a computer programmer.

After decades in radio,

Fred Heckman left WIBC

after it moved into a talk radio format,

switching its focus to infotainment.

Tony was held in contempt of court for 10 years,

and was housed

in the state prison unit for the criminally insane.

It remained the longest contempt charge

in American history

until 2009.

What do you think?

You're saying there...

you're saying there's a conspiracy?

Every... Mr. Price has told me unequivocally

that there's a conspiracy.

Has he ever told you that?

Mr. Price has told Joe Collins there's a conspiracy.

Mr. Price has told Dan Luzadder there's a conspiracy.

My question to you is that's all in the past.

What about right now?

What do you hope is gonna happen right now?

Well, I'm a human being.

I'd like to get my freedom.

[Fred] And after years of making a fuss,

Tony scored a major victory

when the Indiana Supreme Court ruled

that the state had no right to force Tony

to submit to a psychiatric evaluation.

Tony was finally released in 1988.

This Fred Heckman, WIBC.

[big band music]

♪ We' Marie ♪

[upbeat jazz music]