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We might get expelled for this.
>> We're setting such a bad example.
>> You really are. [laughter]
[music]
>> Just realized we've just timeraveled.
>> I know.
>> This is it.
>> Yeah.
>> 50 years on. I want to take you right
back. I want to go [music] back to the
first minute. There was something in the
water here that connected people long
term. [music]
>> This is actually where we used to
rehearse. In here. In here. Larry, they
just found the keys to my brain. This is
>> your brain.
>> The door had opened with an opportunity
to try and start finding something new
to say. I think right [music] now it's
like we got back to that moment.
>> This is going to be our new um rock and
roll 45.
[music]
>> In the silence, the devil rock and roll.
[music]
Heat. Heat. Heat.
[music]
Ghost
[music] like the devil tonight.
[cheering]
No such thing as rock and roll. We just
needed it to be. Was standing in the
schoolyard waiting for you to happen to
me. This is the schoolyard.
[bell]
>> Oh my god. Look at this. Here we go. So,
this is what it feels like before you
got on stage, huh?
>> Yeah.
>> Wow.
>> Incredible.
>> I've just realized we've just
timeraveled.
>> I know.
>> This is it.
>> Yeah.
>> Is that Yeah, it is.
>> It's legit.
>> It's a working.
>> It's the only thing that's going to
stay. That's It's important to mention
that here at Mount Temple,
>> back on the stage where it kind of all
began, that there's a new school that's
going to be built and pretty much this
entire campus is going to be raised to
the ground. Exactly. You're going to
keep the the clock tower thankfully. So,
I guess the stage will stay. So, you two
will remain a part of the history of the
new school. But it is quite symbolic,
isn't it, that you came to sort of say
hello again, but also say goodbye
cuz I feel like Carnival Doo is almost a
goodbye and a hello again. Does that
make sense to you?
>> Carnival Doo is definitely more goodbye.
That's for sure. This clock tower here,
it was the name of a book um written by
Christopher Nolan
um and
under the eye of the clock. He was a
student here.
>> Yeah. He put out his first book of
poetry
when he in 1980,
same as when we put out Boy and his
second the full length story was under
the eye of the clock. The difference
between him and the four of us is he's a
miracle. Well, we're actually we might
be as well just the fact that we've met
each other and and what has happened is
but his was a actual miracle of science
which is he was born he he terrible
pausy
>> terrible pulsey I think
>> and as a result of this miracle drug he
could move one muscle enough to write he
was at age 11 it was all released from
him all these poems and prayers and all
this all this writing
And that is the clock tower he refers to
in under the eye of the clock.
>> Have you ever referred to any of his
poetry or work in your songwriting or
does it
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. And indeed it is not wasn't great
at shouting it from the rooftops at the
time. And it's one of I would say one of
the great YouTube songs that got away
from us in that it's very special but it
wasn't quite the song it could have
been. It was called Miracle Drug. It was
on atomic.
>> Yeah. Amazing.
>> Did you spend time here, Larry?
>> Not not not up this far, but in this
building. Yeah. It's where Donald Moxom,
who was kind of a an old school teacher
of ours, and uh he was a mentor.
>> He's an important guy in the the story
of the band, right?
>> Big.
>> In what ways?
>> Encouragement mostly and facilitated us.
>> Yeah.
>> Put up with us.
>> Advocacy.
>> He spotted us. School wasn't for me. I I
appreciated that
>> he did. He facilitated your exit in a
kind and he did it very very gracefully.
He you he said I think you've outgrown
school,
>> right?
>> And you can't argue with that.
>> It's almost impossible to be expelled
from from that temple, but he managed.
>> You got the second school.
>> Do you know that he was expelled from?
>> Out of the four of you that I thought
would have gotten expelled, you were the
person I thought the least would have
ended up getting kicked out of school.
>> I I know. I just had a bad attitude. You
know, I did. I did. And I I regret it.
>> Can I just say you had perfect manners?
>> Yes, I had a bad attitude with great
manners.
>> So, the manners are like a look at a
puppet while you're doing all this [ __ ]
under the table.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I sat beside him for a few
classes. And I did have to explain to
him, "This is French. You're reading an
English novel." And on another occasion,
how are you how do you think you're not
going to be noticed taking a flask of
coffee out of your school bag where
there are no textbooks and pouring
yourself
a cup of coffee? How do you think you're
not going to be noticed doing that?
>> You lattes while you're in French class.
[laughter]
>> Yeah, you did. Yeah.
>> And I cannot say this cuz that's wrong,
but I'm going to cuz I I don't like I
don't like toilet humor.
>> Oh dear. But he he was famous for
flatulence
>> and at one point during I wandered lowly
as a cloud or whatever it was he he goes
off and everyone's like and
was Miss Manning I think it was and Miss
Manning went Adam and he went pardon it
it slipped from my bottom. [laughter]
That's that's what we that's the bass
end. very annoying I cuz Ally I met Ally
my business um just I mean literally
just there going into the
>> home block was it?
>> That's right. And and I was working with
her friend. She reminds me daily. Yeah.
So she she was very taken with Adam as
lots of um girls were. But annoyingly
her mother her mother was taken cuz he
spoke so
>> beautifully with full stops and commas
>> and he would say some of the again some
of the filthy [ __ ] that I just saw the
look in his eyes like this all coming
out. All we do is put you on the roof
mate and the mask comes on. [ __ ]
hell. No, like I'm just a I'm trying to
make impress my future mother-in-law
>> and he gets away with it. No one will
get away with he's so he's so polite
though.
>> Yeah, he did get away with that. This
building is interesting cuz we performed
>> the show that we did the repeat of was
was a later show. We played before that
when we were like just doing covers in
this building,
>> right?
>> And we were at that point we were doing
like a Stranglers cover, Goddy Go and
the the Ramones and all that. And we
were so bad that about 40 minutes before
going on stage, I realized we'd never
managed to get through any of these
songs fully. So we'd never ended any of
them. We had no idea how to end each.
>> So we're furiously in a room here going,
"Oh, how are we going to end? I I'll
look at you when we get to the end of
the second chorus and and and Larry will
give us a nod and we'll we'll end.
>> Yeah.
>> You learned a very valuable lesson there
day, fellas, which is you can start
badly, but you need to end well.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> Yeah. We got
>> Unfortunately, we we did both badly
>> and ended badly. [laughter]
>> It's so weird looking at the stadium,
which you guys have played so many
times.
>> Wow. It seems very close now,
>> but if you come up here back then, it
would have seemed like an impossible
distance.
>> Yeah.
>> Away.
>> I didn't know you'd see Croak Park.
Honestly, the scene of the original
Bloody Sunday, just so you know.
>> Yeah, it was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Can we see Dan's work from here, by the
way? Do you think
>> Adam lives on the direction?
>> Was it the music up there?
>> Up the hill?
>> Yeah.
>> Yeah.
>> Well, that was where we recorded Joshua
Tree.
>> Yeah.
>> But he got used to the place.
I thought,
>> but next door to the hill was your old
school you were first expelled from.
>> I went I went back there [laughter]
because because I I I actually I
actually wanted to taunt them a little
bit.
>> Oh, so the coming out. Now it's coming
out.
>> Is that a revenge house?
>> It kind of is. Yeah, cuz that was
>> I never heard him put it exactly like
that. Wow.
>> Cuz I have to say now, now to be fair, I
was up there today and it's a radically
different place.
>> Right. Right. Right.
>> But when I was there at the school, it
was the old school boarding school rules
of, you know, you wear a uniform, you
say sir. So
>> I would leave the school and look over
this wall and I'd see this idyllic house
with a garden and a stream that ran
through it. And I if I if only I could
get to there, I'd be okay. Eventually I
did cuz we rented the house for Joshua
Tree recording. And I Yeah. I'd never
come up the drive obviously cuz I'd only
been climbing over the wall.
>> So I didn't recognize it for like a few
weeks and then I went, "Fuck,
>> this is like the place next door to the
school." It was like, "Yeah, just buy
it." [laughter]
>> That's so rock and roll.
>> So good.
>> He's the only rock and roll member
really at the time.
>> See, I mean, we're learning so much.
>> Yeah.
>> What are we going to find out in 5
minutes when we go downstairs?
>> Shall we? I want to go down and take a
look at the stage where you guys played
[music] yesterday.
>> Follow me.
[music]
Heat.
Heat. [music]
[music]
>> [music]
>> Have any of you come [music] back to the
school before this anniversary? This
reason to come play for the students
here.
>> I think B was back, weren't you? For a
couple of things
>> for me, me. Right.
>> And I'm a few other things.
>> Right. Right. Right. There is the home
economics block where I met Ali for the
first time. Where did you meet an
>> yellow corridor?
>> In the yellow corridor.
>> Well, where we're headed.
>> Well, it started in in um Sophie
Shirley's room.
>> You're kidding.
>> Oh my god.
>> Yeah. On our first day in school.
>> Oh my god.
>> Crazy.
>> I This is so profound for so many
reasons. Not just because obviously it's
where the band formed. That's why we're
here. But as you just pointed out, you
know, you met the loves of your life
here, the two of you, people that have
been with you through all of this
experience. I mean, this school, this
area, this crazy kind of random reason
for you all to come together and be
dumped into the same, which can be tough
for kids, too, man. School's not always
fun, but you got so much life out of
this place.
>> I know.
>> We're not the only ones.
>> I still have friends who were in this
school.
>> Yeah.
>> Um who became couples, had children
exactly the same as us. So, there was
something in the water here
>> um that connected people long term. So
all of the fears that the Catholic
priests had were absolutely true that if
you just put the boys and the girls at
the same school,
>> things would uh develop. Let's go back
cuz you were here yesterday and you you
brought us all up to speed with this
amazing performance in front of the
student, modern day students, class of
2026 and below. Um so bring us up to
speed on the on the on the first show,
the photo, the famous photo of what was
going on that day when you
>> I can't remember, but Larry brought the
bass drum back. you cuz you kept it,
right?
>> I did.
>> You played on that yesterday.
>> Yeah, I I I kept it in in my basement.
>> Um for all these years and uh yeah, it
was just it was quite a trip actually.
Sounded better than I thought.
[laughter]
>> Was it particularly poignant for you,
Larry, because and please keep me
honest, this will be the first time
anyone's seen you play with the band for
a few years, at least from a crowd point
of view, right?
>> That's right. All right. So, to be back
here where it began kind of and be back
here playing with the band for the first
time in some time, did that cross your
mind at all?
>> Um, there were moments of reflection.
Um, but as a a drummer, your job is to
try and keep time.
>> So, they're they're both things going on
at the same time. I I did have a a
sense, you know, playing to the
students, I that felt so amazing.
There's something between us. There's
something that we share that we don't
really understand. um you know they
they're here to see these guys who were
here many years ago and we're reliving a
moment that maybe their parents saw but
they're engaged in this relationship
that is kind of inexplicable. So there
was that and it will go down in my you
know top 10 uh shows will be definitely
what we did here yesterday. It was just
an extraordinary experience and we are
under the clock.
>> As soon as you you started, it was so
interesting cuz you came out.
>> I didn't know if it was going to be out
of control. I will follow. I put money
on one of the two.
>> And when you came out and it's and you
started it up, it's that unexplainable
magic that you have as a band. It's just
you and it's no one else can sound.
>> It's our fingerprint.
>> Yeah. We we have a collective
fingerprint.
>> I was trying to date that photograph.
Yeah. Because obviously Larry put the
note on the board in 1976, but this was
this was a bit later
>> and it was Adam's t-shirt that gave me
the clue cuz we actually made it. We
didn't have any money for for clothes.
>> So we we made that t-shirt in his
kitchen and that's what you were
wearing.
>> Heavily influenced [clears throat] by
the shore stripe if I remember
correctly. [laughter]
The word shore stripe.
>> Oh, was it was Hello, I'm exciting.
>> Yes. Yeah, it [laughter] was.
>> It did the trick.
>> Do you still have the t-shirt?
>> No,
>> not a collector. He's not much of a
collector. This guy. This guy's got it
all. This guy like, "Ah, you know what?
I left it in a hotel room somewhere in
hell."
>> Yeah.
>> But Edge found some memorabilia.
>> That's right. Under your bed. Your
>> Yeah. My my parents passed a few years
ago and
after a little while, myself, my sister,
and my brother went through the house
and we're we're kind of going through
their bedroom and in their bed was a
drawer. So, we opened the drawer and
suddenly there's a pile of press cutings
and magazines and I'm like going through
them and I'm, "Wow, this was all YouTube
related." My mom was obviously early
days collecting all this stuff. So I'm
emptying it and at the bottom of the
drawer I find this diary like one of
those Collins kind of hardback diaries
from the from 1980
>> 1978
>> 78 and I go wow. So I opened it and I
recognized Bono's writing
and he'd always told us the story that
the lyric for out of control was started
on his 18th birthday.
kind of had this moment of kind of
recognition. So I was going through the
diary and it got to the 10th of May and
sure enough on that page was the lyrics
out of control.
>> That is so beautiful. You know, and the
fact that you probably had no idea where
that lyric was.
>> No,
>> for the longest time
>> in my head.
>> Yeah, sure. And
>> the notorious
>> B O [laughter]
and a bunch of early bootlegs that I'm
sure got thrown around record stores in
the early in the late '7s. That's so
cool that you found that original.
>> Yeah, I didn't charge him very much for
it either. I was like,
>> that's beautiful.
>> That's beautiful to have it. So, what's
next?
>> I want to go see the message the the
poster board. Yeah,
>> let's go.
[music]
>> Which one is it? Oh, it's this one.
Look, someone's looking DJ to shop with
>> Oh, that's funny. Who did that? Yeah.
[laughter] Hello, Zane.
>> Stop with the Stop with the jokes,
people. Stop with the jokes. Yeah,
that's a memo. You frame that, will you?
Frame that.
>> Is this where it was? Yeah. There was a
little bit of confusion about
um the notice on the board. There's a
few things, but there was one piece of
confusion where a teacher
um has believed for years that they had
encouraged me to put the notice up on
the notice board. Um and I remember that
it was my old man because he was so
frustrated with me playing the drums in
the house on my own. He he thought if it
would get me out of the house, it would
um get rid of his headache. Um so I was
thinking about this saying, "Have I got
this wrong? Am I going to have to mess
up after 50 years? Turns out what
happened was that I put the notice on
the board. I then had to take it down
and I had to ask Mr. McKenzie's
permission to put it back up and that's
what he remembers.
>> So that's just to correct some factual
errors. I'm happy to do it.
>> Yeah, I'm glad you did that. Yes. 50
years on. I want to take you right back.
And people talk about the first shows,
the first years, the first rehearsals,
the first tours. I want to go back to
the first minute that you put that that
that notice up on the board and what you
were hoping to get out of that
experience. If you can remember back to
that moment, your dad wanted you to get
out of the house and find somewhere else
to play the drums. But what did you want
it to be?
I think if you take yourself back to
when you were 14, brain operates uh
differently. Um the only thing that I
could manage to do was keep a beat. Um
but it was pretty basic, but I could do
that. And um uh I think my my dad would
have preferred that I studied jazz or
that I um went into the military and
learned how to play like that. I just
wasn't going to be able to do any of
that. So he kind of gave in and you know
and that was part of the note on the
board once it went up. Um I didn't
expect anything else to happen. I never
expected to hear from anybody. So, the
biggest surprise was when these guys
showed up at my kitchen cuz I really
didn't think they would. And and Bon
tells the story that he wasn't sure if
you had you had talked about it, but
your mate comes in today to do this.
>> Yeah. I wasn't sure I wanted to hang out
with somebody 2 years below us. You know
what I mean? That that blonde kid. Um,
[clears throat]
>> and it's like such a distance.
He's like, "And then my mate Reggie the
dog, Reggie the co Reggie Manuel the
cockus spaniel, he said, "No, this this
is for you. I I sense this is for you."
He knew me and he knew that I was in a
kind of some kind of pain sort of thing
and he just said, "This is for you." And
I said, "I don't think so." And then he
said, "I'm driving you there." So he
drove me on the back of his Yami 100.
Not the It's not a Harley-Davidson,
but he he got me there. And uh Yeah. And
>> that's called an angel, by the way.
>> I think it is. And random angels, you
know, we all become them for each other.
>> Children, for example. But but yeah,
you're mates.
>> Yeah.
>> He knew me better than I I knew myself.
And I'm I'm sure in some really
non-meloatic way, he actually saved my
life. I think so.
>> We had some friends last night who
had been at that first meeting, Ivan
McCormick.
>> Yeah.
>> And his brother Neil is uh was in a band
with Ivan later. And but Neil is a a
music critic.
>> But his sister
>> had played with us,
>> Stella.
>> Yeah.
>> Remember when we played that one of our
early early gigs again? This is before
you two. This is when we're still doing
covers. And uh so and they were all at
the school as well. My brother was and
the comics and
>> yeah Dick was the kind of a genius. He
was in computer science before anyone
was in the 70s and he he was paid for by
the government. He was so clever to go
to Trinity College. The university had
rooms.
>> Can you imagine that being and it's
called skull, isn't it?
>> Yeah. Scholarship. We we took full
advantage of those rooms. We were there.
>> We slept in those rooms.
>> We ate in Trinity College buttery cuz
people thought we were students and uh
all because of Ed's brother Dick who
went on to be in the Virgin Prunes which
is the alter ego of you two. Gavin
Friday. That's right.
>> Goi my mate who's a painter now. Um but
the thing about this note
>> Yeah.
is none of us saw it. So, you didn't
need to read.
>> Very good, Adam. So, I think Edge told
me about it. I don't know who told Edge
about it.
>> Wait, none of you actually walked.
That's for me. Oh my god. It was a tree
falling in a forest. [laughter]
>> It's unbelievable. It's unbelievable.
>> Did you see Do you remember?
>> I don't think so. That's I think it was
the Caucus. the carcass spaniel sort and
somebody um Albert Bradshaw who was our
music chief told me about it and said I
was like you know Larry the young guy in
in second year he's he's a drummer
>> go have a chat with Larry
>> so yeah cuz my friend David Barnett who
I was in the same class with he was a
drummer and he had a garage band they
were like a a kind of rock thing so I'd
been to see him
>> you could have been in a band called
Barnet
>> Barnet called [laughter] Barnet
>> Barnett
Yes.
>> Where were you born
>> exactly?
>> Um, East End of London in a place called
uh Barking.
>> So, Barking the Manet.
>> Barnett and a man from Barking.
>> It could have been very different for
all of you, especially considering none
saw the [ __ ] note.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
That's so funny. We've spent some time
in this school now. It's been beautiful.
I think we've covered quite a lot of the
past. You know, we could go take a look
at other areas. There's a great room
down here which I believe was set up for
you. There's just a whole bunch of
random words on the wall. Some of them
are hilarious. It's a Bono room. You
should go take a look at that.
>> Okay. To the right. To the left.
>> It's cool actually. It's obviously some
kind of like English type experiment
where they put a whole bunch of words up
and I don't know whether it's props or
whatever.
>> Bowie wrote all his lyrics. He just cut
them up and throw them on the floor kind
of.
>> I think it's this one.
>> There you go.
>> What do you think of when you think of
the singer?
>> Irony.
>> Wow.
>> Sarcasm. It's very ironic.
>> Sincerity,
>> hyperbole,
>> dramatic irony.
>> Wow.
>> Persona. Wow. This is
>> literal.
>> Larry, they just found the keys to my
brain.
>> This is your brain.
>> Check this. The truth will set you free,
but first it will annoy the hell out of
you. This is so good.
>> This is cool, right?
>> That's also cool about the school is
that you didn't just leave. You You took
some people with you. Didn't you take
Father Didn't Didn't Father Jack?
>> Father Jack came on the road. Yeah.
>> The reason he came again and again was
because the crew wanted him to stay.
>> Yeah. Beautiful.
>> And they said, "Jack makes us feel
because we're leaving our families.
>> There's, you know, and if you're a
rigger, you're putting up, you know,
dangerous stages and putting yourself in
danger, leaving your families."
>> So, Father Jack would go out and and
bless the tour, not just us, but anyone
who was working on. And then father Jack
did an interesting thing. He would walk
the arena walk he would walk every seat.
That was his uh his practice was to to
to sort of leave a blessing
>> in these rock and roll um dungeons
>> like 20,000 seats. He would go around.
>> He just walk around and eventually when
it became stadiums he would he just
visit each stand.
>> Yeah. Because that's a lot.
>> That's a lot. But he was also
uh just to say
>> on occasion which happened to me where I
where I span out a bit and cuz teenagers
can and well anyone can and I had a I
had definitely spun out a bit and I went
to see him. This is before he became a
priest. So he was that guy and so he to
listen to me just going on and on just
trying to sort my head out and and yeah
so that's how deep the connection with
this man and then he became a priest and
then he ends up coming on the road with
us.
>> How long did he tour with you for?
>> Maybe 10 years.
>> More I'd say.
>> Wow.
>> Yeah. And as I was just explaining that
the crew wouldn't let him go home.
>> Yeah. That was we we never thought he
would come on the road with us.
>> Just to honor Father Jack that you know
and to and to honor you.
>> Yeah. You spent three years figuring it
out. Out of control comes out. Yeah. You
put three or four albums out. Steady
steady steady steady. But when it hit,
it was like a rocket ship to the moon,
wasn't it? I mean, I think we're all
grown up enough now to be able to
acknowledge that like you you went
through an abnormal experience, the four
of you.
>> Yeah. in that time.
>> Yeah. What happens when you get to that
level of success? I think we we enjoyed
quite a bit of it. Although our manager
said to us because we're in photographs,
we always look very stern like you know
that was the only face we knew how to
pull. M
>> I don't think I've ever seen an Anton
Corbyn photo that hasn't got a stern
outlook that
>> and Paul McInness said a manager said at
the time he said now please don't look
like your band too stupid to enjoy being
at number one. That was his line.
>> Such a Brian Epstein thing to say
though, isn't it? That's the kind of
thing I'd imagine said to the Beatles.
Now boys, you're number one. Make sure
they know it.
>> Yes. No, it was that.
>> Yeah. [laughter]
>> This is our music room, isn't it? This
is actually where we used to rehearse
>> in here.
>> In here. This actually does bring back
real memories. I think we used to leave
our gear back here. This was it. I don't
know if I'm right about this. I think
the first song that was ever written was
Wednesday Afternoon and it was written
in here. Do you remember that song?
>> Uh, vaguely. That's possible. Yeah. Hold
on, hold on, hold on. His character,
this is a psychological portrait.
>> Yeah.
>> Of the man, the edge. um the Zen
Presbyterian. I'm going to do it because
he won't do it. Okay. So, we're here.
We're not making sense. We don't end. We
don't start the songs properly. We're in
the wrong whatever. And then we end up
in a big Do you remember the actual
argument about what the argument was
about? But in the end, Edge finally has
it. And he just ripped his guitar off
his neck and he just put it very gently
down. [laughter] And then he just went
out and he went,
[laughter]
"I'm so sorry. I'm really, really sorry
about that." That's what happened. The
guitar almost went through the window,
but then I realized just prior to
throwing it out the window,
>> what happens if I damage it like badly?
That would be really not good.
>> Yeah.
>> Not very punk edge.
>> Not very punk.
>> But this was the rehearsal space. This
is where you used to rehearse. What
songs were you playing in here? What do
we know? Out of control.
>> Only out of control.
>> Only out of control.
>> Boy, girl.
>> Boy, girl. We had a couple of our own
songs and on one occasion we were here
um
>> um another teacher came and said, "Oh,
oh, um there's a producer from the local
TV network is over from RTE. He's
looking for, you know, students doing
interesting things to put on this new TV
show."
>> Yeah.
>> And we've told them about you. So, he'll
be over in 20 minutes.
>> So, we're like, "Okay,
what are we going to play?" So, we got a
couple of our songs and we're trying to
play them and it isn't happening.
>> So, literally 2 minutes before he comes
in,
>> okay,
>> glad to see you go cuz [snorts] this is
his number one bullshitter.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> So, I had a panic attack.
>> Yeah.
>> And he just he just came in. He said,
>> "Oh." He said, "It's wonderful. You and
and you I believe you write your own
songs."
>> Yeah. I'm Joey. I'm Marky. I'm Johnny.
Nice to meet you. Can we play Glad to
see you go? And and he said, "Is that
your one of yours?" And we went,
[clears throat]
>> "Yeah, [laughter]
but actually it was precient because we
did go on that TV show."
>> Yeah.
>> By then we'd actually finished our
songs. So it's it's now out there
>> and we got to meet Joy Ramon
>> eventually and thank him
>> as a parting gift to the school. What
might be quite nice?
>> Talk about some graffiti possibly.
>> A message will be nice.
>> After you, sir. I'll do
>> I think it's a self portrait.
>> I'm trying to put it here.
>> Oh, I see it.
>> And you do yours.
>> Well, you got to sign it. Otherwise, no
one's going to know it's you.
>> It's obvious.
>> Oh, very. [laughter]
>> Oh my god.
>> Perfect. So, the carnival we go.
>> Okay,
>> let's do it. We're setting such a bad
example. We really are.
[music]
[music]
>> [music]
[music]
>> in the music room. Look at this. Come
on.
>> The other place was a rehearsal. That's
Spanish. This was actually where proper
violinist piano player. And we didn't
spend much time in that.
>> We did not. And and I and I do remember
>> that feeling a bit left out in here like
because I didn't play piano didn't play
guitar and I had all these melodies in
my head and at one point Albert Bradshaw
the guy he says
would anyone be interested in composing
because believe it or not I can you know
we can probably compose something alto
together and I'm thinking I've been
composing all I felt my life and I've
got all in my head and and he was
showing notation, wasn't that it?
>> And it was interesting. It was a but so
I was listening to those even the
medieval stuff, the coral stuff
>> blew my mind because can you remember
the name of these singers, the temple
singers I think they were called.
>> Yeah,
>> that's your temple players.
>> There you go. You got it. Wow.
So they were the people who actually
knew how to sing and knew what music was
like, you know, the the notes and the
>> So it was here that we started a
tradition that's carried on of us
hanging out with a lot of musicians.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Clearly you're such a
collaborative band. I think of all of
the I mean you have dabbled here and
there, but I mean you're right. It's
it's been a it's been a very it's been a
gang from the second you began. I mean,
I think of the classic gangs, you know,
the Clash, you guys, the bands that
really present themselves as us against
the world to some degree. And but it's
been so beautiful being here today to
feel so much love coming out of the
ground, coming out of these halls. I I
realize why family came out of the
school. I realize why music came out of
the school, band came out of the school.
There's something magic on this.
>> It was such an unusual place in the
early '7s because
>> Ireland was so conservative. So this
place was like a a little oasis.
>> Yeah.
>> Of uh I suppose freedom, you know, like
like most of my friends were beaten in
school. Like
>> corporal punishment was normal.
>> Mean who weren't in the school
>> who were not. And then we came here and
and no uniform.
>> Yep. Had a few beatings. When I came
here from, you know, the the private
school that I'd been at, I couldn't
believe the freedom. I couldn't believe
that you could wear your own clothes,
that you could be respected by the
teachers, you know, you could have an
opinion and the teachers would be
reasonable and pretend to listen or
whatever.
>> Um, and and then when we wanted to start
a band, it was openly encouraged and I I
think there was always a a a love of
music in this school. I mean, I I I
remember before I came here hearing
about the choirs and everything. I think
maybe the greatest gift they gave us,
the school gave us, was it took away all
the obvious things,
artists rebel against.
>> Yeah.
>> We had to pick a more interesting foe
>> because we're not going to rebel against
the school.
>> They took away it wasn't a religious
school, so they took away the you know,
for Irish artists always fight against
the church. So it made it we we it made
us pick on pick a different set of of
fights. Do you know what that's what's
really interesting about that is that
after all of the the albums, the music,
the success, and the years of being
the biggest band
in the world that it taught you very
early on that there was still things to
fight against. Whereas most a lot of
bands would get to that point of success
and they'd run out of things to fight
against. Carnival Doo is a scrappy
fight, you know, street fighting record.
It's
it's very unbecoming of a band of your
stature to be making a record so scrappy
and so edgy and out on a limb.
>> It's certainly out on a limb. We we were
trying to make um two kinds of music or
hold two different ideas in tension. One
was music that only you two could make.
>> Yes.
>> But the other part of that tension was
you two like music that you two has
never made before.
>> Like the opening is really a a sort of
throwdown um almost to ourselves. The
opening of the record with which
features Briano's keyboard. It's like
>> okay that's our opening. What is the
rest of the record?
>> Oh, you lay it out. I mean, there's
there's a lyric on there, the past and
me have to break up.
>> Go.
>> Yeah.
>> There's a song on um Easter Lily
>> in a life.
>> Mhm.
>> And it is I it was it is was a real
moment for me because it was the return
of Larry Mullen Jr.
He was playing in the room uh and I I
just thought he's gone to the rimshot
and he's playing this
thing and the train is a symbol that
only arrives at the very end, the lyric.
And um I'm not even sure it was there.
It was even written yet, but it was
there. And I felt something in the room.
I said, "Okay." And we [snorts] ended up
writing about, you know, it's it's a
song. It's really a song about
friendship. And um there's a few on this
collection.
>> Yeah, there is. Um but at the end it it
talks about the train and the driver of
the train whose soul's in so much pain
says the coin we used to put the coin on
these on the train tracks just at the
end of the school here. Uh the coin will
will flatten but it won't crack. And
that's I suppose where the where the
image for friendship came from. And but
it's also this it was when I know we
have something
really extraordinary and I wouldn't like
people to miss that cuz it's not on the
main album. Do you remember doing that?
>> Yeah, I do. And I remember the reaction
to it as well.
>> So I was in an environment where I
didn't know what I could do. I hadn't
played for so long. Um uh so I hadn't
really played and I remember going into
the the room and and having two sippy
drum kit and go what am I going to do
now?
>> How am I going to do this? And uh there
was just a sense of well if I don't do
something
>> Yeah.
>> So I did I did where I naturally felt
and I just I I threw myself into it. But
I really didn't know once I dived in how
deep it was going to be and whether I
would get out.
>> So it was kind of a very complex moment.
Um but I I do remember the reaction was
oh
>> we didn't expect that.
>> Yeah.
>> And neither did I.
>> What were the other songs without that
hit you? Um uh Sweet of Dreams.
>> Oh right.
>> Yeah. That was amazing. Yeah. I mean,
and I think on um
>> resurrection.
>> Yeah. Um and a reneg um
>> American American I I remember being
surprised at doing that that I could
still do that. I didn't think I had that
amount of gas left in me.
>> Well, not still do it. It's you. I
thought you went past yourself.
>> Yeah. I hope so. Well, you were the
first person in the band I ever met,
>> and so I've known you technically the
longest out of many.
>> Correct.
>> And so, you know, I I know you'll take
this question in in the faith in which
it's it's it's meant, which is, let's
just be let's just be real. Um, you
protected each other through that time
when you were away. You protect
protected each other for us and kept the
the the feeling we wanted from the band
alive, but how how hard was the recovery
really? Like, how how
deep did you have to go to bring
yourself back to the band? Um, I I kind
of
I I took a leaf out of um Bon's book for
a period of time during touring which is
um my body was a bit of an inconvenience
and and with the result I kind of
overstretched
on it and I knew that I had hurt myself
but I didn't realize how badly and I I I
kind of ignored myself and um so I paid
the price for that and
>> this was on the Joshua retry run.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> So I I just I just knew.
>> Um and it was difficult, you know, not
to do the sphere. I committed to it. Uh
I just couldn't do it. Um so yeah, it
was a you know, we've come out of CO as
well, which is a period of reflection
and you know, what are we doing here?
And will we survive all the um all the
great questions that you're meant to ask
when you're 13?
>> You know, you're ask if you stop asking
them though, you're [ __ ]
>> Yeah. So, you know, I
you don't know if you can do this. It's
like
there's nothing to rely on. You don't go
back to oh the skill set that that's not
how this works. Part of it, but you
don't you you don't um open the suitcase
and go, okay, I'll take out these, you
know, this particular piece of clothing.
I'll put this on and this will allow me.
It's like it doesn't work. Like so you
go back in and you're listening to the
music and trying to interpret it
>> with no guarantee that you will actually
make it any better.
>> Isn't that the same for everybody to
some degree? Regardless of what you had
to go through to get there, it must feel
like that every time. I certainly think
that's part of the the chemistry of a
YouTube album is that you put
yourselves, whether you meant to or not,
through that experience to get to the
best possible result, right? We don't
have really a musical uh genre that we
fit into. And I discovered this recently
very um clearly when I was playing
around with some of these AI music
programs. I was trying to see if it
could come up with a YouTube song. They
couldn't. And I realized that it is
possible to get it to write a country
song cuz it's very
>> strictly codified.
>> Yeah.
>> But nothing any of us do. I mean, my
guitar would probably be the most um I
suppose um I go certain places
sonically, but our songwriting is is is
never um a formula. We don't know how to
do that.
>> But I will say that there's no way, no
matter how much you train that thing,
that's going to give me or anyone a riff
like Greatest Show on Earth.
>> No.
>> When you open that,
>> man,
>> that's the one.
It's so dark and melancholy and just
yearning and then all of a sudden the
band comes in and it it it's comforting
and beautiful and taking you somewhere
else but you start that song man and
it's that's that's the darkness in you I
think
>> is the tension tension.
>> Yeah. And
>> I think that's our approach is to
find something that is intriguing,
inspiring
and just let it dictate where where we
go. So, we always find uh ourselves
surprised by where things go and there's
a deliberate element to it, but it's
also it's kind of a mysterious thing.
>> Well, it's the mirror. It's the theme of
the mirror through the record, isn't it?
I'm really fascinated by this as well.
The idea that you you keep coming back
to of who who or what you see all the
mirrors you're talking about. Uh cuz
that's in part of the carnival, too. the
the distorted
>> pictures of yourself
>> or is it a major crack?
>> Yeah. Which can happen, I think, when
you when you when you get a famous face,
it just it becomes self-conscious and
loses its appeal or whatever. There's
that. Then there's the other kind of
mirror which is is not narcissistic.
It's just reported really of what's
behind you, what's brought you to the
front of the mirror. But the arts that
we love somehow
always pushed through the mirror.
They're interested in what's going on
behind the mirror. That's why the mirror
maker, the that song is was was inspired
by Rosalia and because she's one of
those kinds of artists. Patty Smith is
another one of those kinds of artists
just, you know, not just the physical
but the metaphysical. And it's just or
the smashing of the mirror which you
need to do at some point. Um yeah, the
mirror maker and then just to try and
make her laugh. Ro Zalia, who are you?
That was the line from the terraces,
right?
>> Yeah. [laughter] I mean, it's it's, you
know, it's in in in kind of soccer um
culture, it's sort of a bit of a put
down, but
>> at the same time,
>> it's like we're just be dazzled by
>> Hey, where'd you come from?
>> Yeah. Where are you? Like, where did you
happen from?
>> Yeah, that's the read of it. And
normally, as you know, people have to be
dead or in jail or something like that
for us to write a song about them. But
here was this just incredible female
artist who this spirit um
>> one of the great artists of our time. I
mean
>> your interview with her was so so
special. Um that really helped me. I
didn't hadn't read any other interviews
before that. Um just experienced her
music and was really more than beguiled.
You know, I for the Mosama tour, we'd
seen that um online it uh our daughter
Jordan had been there and she was
talking about who is this spirit
>> and that's so we tried to put it into a
tune with a bit of a clash vibe on it.
>> Definitely
>> to try and not just make her laugh but
kind of make her think we might be a bit
cool which of course we're not.
>> Have you sent her the song? Did you hear
it?
>> Oh, I sent it. the song. But um and she
was she it did make her smile.
>> Yeah.
>> And um she was very very good about it
cuz it could be really really set
yourself up for one of the most awkward
things of all time. She's just like,
"Yeah, this is great, mate." But if I'm
really honest,
>> we we we wouldn't have put it out.
Although we're saying now we'll we'll
call it Santa Rosalia because she's
named after a saint from the 16th to
17th century who
uh lived in a cave and the cave was
named after a sparkling water San
Pelgro. Just saying get out of here.
>> Yeah, we could have just changed the
direction of the song. Who is this
Rosalia? We wouldn't do that. Let's talk
about the creating of this record, you
know, because
one of the things I love about the
scrappinesses of it is it feels very
much and again not to bring us back to
being here and what the anniversary
means and everything, but it feels like
the four of you are staring at each
other while you're at least while you're
writing these songs, maybe even playing
these songs in the studio. It's it's
like all right, it's live in all the
right ways. Is that fair to say?
>> I think so. um small rooms.
>> We we we're lucky because each of us has
such a idiosyncratic
personality that when we play on the
same piece of music, it's always us. And
that gives us great uh freedom to start
a piece of music from somewhere very odd
and unusual with the knowledge that as
that piece of music is developed and
arranged and performed that it'll
eventually just sound like us. So um the
process
>> Yeah. is fascinating, you know, and we
had a lot of material going into this um
recording because we von and I'd been
experimenting with writing for maybe
other speculative projects. I've been
working on a lot of stuff just to
generate some music during the co
lockdown. So we had all this this I
would say half finished quarter finished
stuff but then the process of really
kind of bringing it to fruition was so
much fun. And um as you say everyone
really got the chance to really shine I
think in in the way this record came
together and you really hear what we are
about you know as as musicians and and
and
writers as as on this record.
>> You know, Adam, for you, I'd love to
know what you're most proud of in this
record as a fan of the music you make,
not just as a player of it.
>> Well, that's um
that's that's a big one. Um, I think
probably what I like most about it is we
were able to make this record the way
some of the my most favorite records are
made, which is really it's the four
instruments with great parts that fit
together. And there's something I mean,
the illusion of it being quick is, you
know, it'd be lovely if it was quick.
It's not as never as quick as you
>> ever done a quick album ever. But it it
has the illusion of being it has that
fresh
zero boy probably the
>> Oh yeah. Yeah. Fast. But
>> uh and you know that's what I'm proud
of. That's what I like is is that you
know we bring
kind of what we've developed over 50
years of playing together whatever that
is. and and you can't think about it too
much or whatever, but it it gives us the
confidence to leave the material
finished rather than keep tinkering with
it.
>> The world around us was in a bit of a
spin. And
>> your world or the world?
>> The world?
>> The world.
>> And so that's an understatement. and the
we we wanted to get to some sort of
weightlessness and not be sort of
boedied down by the gravity of it but
yet we were writing songs about what was
going on in the world.
>> Yeah, I wouldn't say that you know
American obituary is weightless. I think
that's very beautifully heavy.
>> So that's what Larry saying is we got
that we you know Renee Good was killed
that week. We were we we couldn't talk
about anything else. We put it up and
but all the songs what was going on in
in in in the Middle East, we just these
songs they they came out which allowed
us to then approach the carnival with
the the light. You see light is not just
luminescence.
It's lightness.
>> Sure. and lightness of touch, you know,
um to be light on your feet.
>> But you know that this is this is an
album and two EPs that ultimately will
will sit in people's collection or
perhaps at some point even in in a in a
tangible way as a double album.
>> And if you look at it in the order in
which it's intended, which I believe
according to the religious calendar,
carnival,
>> ash lily.
>> Yes.
>> Yeah. It doesn't end. It it starts with
light. That's right.
>> But then we find ourselves under
>> the wilderness, go through the 40 days
in the desert, whatever.
>> And then you come out at Easter is the
thought.
>> Yes.
>> And you find some renewal, rebirth,
>> and and I mean it's it's just a great
narrative arc for a story of any kind.
>> We're just starting the story at the
end.
>> But I think in terms of the storytelling
is you start with the end, then you
retell it.
>> That's why we read them over and over
again. And it made perfect sense
obviously because the album is the focus
of our our concert of next year. So to
have it come out later in the in in the
phase was was I think the right call.
>> There's a few of those songs that going
to kick your ass. Try and get in that
set list though on those EPs. American
Obituary wants to be heard I think in
that set in that set list. It's also an
album that represents our relationship
with Jack Knife Lee. I think it had
gotten to a point where we understood
each other. He knew what we wanted to do
and he was great at keeping us on track
and, you know, a lot of the sounds on
the record are sounds that, you know, he
worked on
>> and he bonded very well with Brian. You
know, it was a was a real I think is a
similar spirit. And so when Brian was
around with his with his it was a little
bit of what's he doing
>> with those those knobs and Brian doesn't
like um to repeat himself or or whatever
Steve was just doing and we were saying
just catch that while while that's going
down can we and then one of one of the
other thing that Brian likes to do is to
do what they would be kind of it's not
just unusual time signatures but he
likes an uneven amount of bars. So, it's
really difficult
>> to um find melodies, but when you find
them, you're never going to get bored
with them.
>> By keeping it light and uh all about
following the inspiration, letting the
music kind of guide us,
>> I think we got to some very unusual
places, which is always fun for us.
That's
>> when things get too conventional, I
think we we start to twitch. you know,
this this collection of songs were from
the get-go just something we were
excited by cuz we'd never heard anything
like it.
>> Torn is
a lot in all [snorts] the great ways. I
mean, it it really is. It's
ah it's just such a um beautiful vocal
>> and uh obviously in light of the sadness
of Dolly Parton no longer being with us
on this earthly in this earthly realm
>> um it it it brings a whole new
spirituality I think to that being her
final recording. I didn't realize until
very recently either that she had
started the song
>> and you and you had helped finish the
song.
>> Yeah.
>> I thought you had brought her a complete
song. So I'd love that story if you
wouldn't mind sharing that.
>> Yeah. No, we we had a a couple of ideas
for a different project um more sort of
Celtic um Irish folk project that we
were looking at exploring like a like a
uh yeah passengers based with on Irish
traditional musicians and some
experimentation with with Brian Eno and
we'd worked with uh Johnny McDade, Ed
Sheeran, that's how he ended up at at
the pub with us. So I I I I got in touch
with her and we were discussing some of
the songs just her and I across the
phone line. One of the songs was called
Lifelong. I think it was kind of like a
Marian song like like a wedding song.
And and she said that's a little too
Irish for me if you don't mind. And and
I'm from the Appalachians, aren't you?
Old Scots Irish. She said, "Yeah, yeah,
yeah, yeah. But I just I'm talking about
my voice and and she said, "I got a song
started called
Torn now. You can take it somewhere
else." And I might like to see where you
could take it or some something like
that. And and it arrived in it was quite
traditional and we we and we really took
it somewhere else. I was really
surprised that she
ran with it. That's because not only was
it sort of, you know, not just American
families, but you, you know, arguing at
the kitchen table and two brothers not
speaking and you know, had some real
friction of the times in it. Um, this
idea of u division being planted in
discourse, right? It's not actually
necessarily supposed to be. It's been
planted in there.
>> That's it. As well as the subject matter
taking a turn, the the production, which
was very um very abstract.
>> It's circular. It's the circular thing
you're talking about.
>> Yeah. And and that's why I was surprised
that she she ran with it and she sang it
like
She she just took flight.
>> Yeah.
>> And and
>> amazing vocal.
>> And she was ill at the time. We didn't
know how ill, of course. And she got out
of bed to sing this song. And
and it it it meant a lot to us um at the
time just knowing she was ill that she
would even consider doing something with
us. Did I tell you this? We're with
Michael Stip who's, you know, himself
one of the great singers of ever.
>> Mhm.
>> Singer from OM. The great OM. The
extraordinary.
>> The much missed and can you just get
your [ __ ] together, Arian? If I could be
really honest with the world.
>> Yeah.
>> And
>> just one more time would be really nice,
wouldn't it? You know,
>> he he's got an extraordinary solo um
flight to come and it will be
extraordinary. But we happened to be
traveling together in a van when
[snorts] I got the call
and it was like it physically hit him
and he he he kind of fell a bit and he
he he just he was in a like a
he just he just wept.
And I realized cuz he's from the south,
the significance of of her voice, I
guess if you're an American.
And then of then it then the wave hit us
all in the days that followed of just
what exactly the what we'd lost. And
then of course what are we going to do?
And I think the family and the the the
ma management there was talk of you know
putting it out immediately but it just
didn't feel right. Mortality is a it
does it is a word that is an an
inevitable part of life and we
especially when we see people that have
raised us through their music or people
who we admire it is the order of things.
>> Yeah.
>> Um it happens to every family. It
happens to everybody. Um, and it happens
to every band. And you know, the only
thing that's kind of in slight contrast
to the kicking and screaming banshee
nature of this record is the fact that
you've gone there a few times. You know,
greatest show on earth may not be that
literal, but it feels like a mourning of
some description to me when I hear it.
>> It started out with Brian, you know, Ed
had done this incredible work on. Then
Larry came in and did this again. I
think really innovative stuff. And
[snorts] Adam, you kind of came in later
with the the the bass stuff, but it it
it had already had this very strong
atmosphere
and I was we're wrestling with what it
was to be called and what was the song
about originally. was titled Cathedral
and it was a kind of it was a song about
really the female form and the this line
um the greatest show on earth turns up
and I wasn't sure that I could sing
something like that and [clears throat]
>> why
>> and it and I like the irony of the once
we were the greatest show on earth. We
were once the greatest show on earth,
but I I thought it was ex accepting
the end and and I wasn't sure I could go
there and
with the relationship I was writing
about or the band or the the lyric in
the centers is really about the church.
>> The church was the greatest show on
earth. shows up here.
>> Micro to macro.
>> Yeah. And it was um I think it goes, "Is
that a smile or a tear?
Is it all show business here?" The
cinema that is stained glass. You're at
the altar at our wedding mass. Is this a
church of love or fear? Have we made God
feel like a stranger here? Yeah.
>> And so the greatest show on earth is is
about the end of something
>> and and a kind of mourning as you as as
you point out. But I still wasn't ready
to go there
>> until I saw Baz Lurman's
um film Epic um uh the story Elvis
Presley in in concert
>> and Elvis is singing you've lost that
love and feeling and it's an amazing
performance the oporadic Elvis and I
realized that song is no way about the
end of something you can't write that
if if it is not filled with the absence
of a person that you are missing so much
that you cannot let them go and
at that moment I went in sang it I don't
think any of us including me thought it
was a good idea
until I sang it and then suddenly the
whole song just went
>> forward like that.
>> Yeah. One of the one of the main themes
I think of of the record is is
acknowledgment that certain things are
coming to an end.
>> Mhm.
>> And that you can look at that as a very
fearful and and and
an anxietyinducing
reality or you can see it as the
opportunity for something new to come.
And when we were formed as a band 50
years ago, it seemed like we're in a
very similar situation. We had recently
come out of the Vietnam War. The uh
Europe was in an economic doldrum
because of the oil crisis. Unemployment
was everywhere. Punk rock arrives and
punk rock is basically tearing things
down. It's it's the end of a phase of
music and and and it's kind of the
beginning of nealism and it's it's
anarchy, right? Anarchy in the UK.
That was the very moment we arrived and
to us it was this the door had opened
with an opportunity to try and start
finding something new to say some new
direction. I think right now it's like
we got back to that moment. Yeah. And
I'm fascinated to see what's going to
happen because I know certain things
won't survive.
>> Yeah.
>> Certain things are kind of on the way
out.
>> Yeah.
>> Uh we hope it's not democracy. We hope
democracy survives but it's under
assault all over the world.
Authoritarianism is rising.
>> We hope it's not rooms like this and
instruments like that and musicians like
you. Well, the first thing that goes
though, the humor. They can't the
fascists don't like people taking the
piss out of them.
>> When's art next?
>> Um, then art and and music. It's always
it's always that.
>> What I love about this whole new era of
you, too, is I feel like you're in it
for the fight. You're in it for the
fight. And I and I and we welcome that,
>> you know, with the music that you're
making and how you going to take this on
tour and do it. Yeah,
>> that's the real challenge is can you
stare the darkness in the face and still
choose joy
>> like choose the light at the end of the
song. Yeah.
>> And that's the defiance I think that
we're interested in is you don't ignore
what's going on.
>> You take it on board and you still find
the the way to celebrate what's positive
and look to the future in a in a
positive way. Because right now there's
so much uh dispondency
around created by all kinds of things
just so
>> defiance is important and that's I think
what we're interested in is is finding a
way to to push back against all that.
>> No such thing as rock and roll. We just
needed it to be was standing in the
schoolyard waiting for you to happen to
me. This is really hard.
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