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A Guardian Documentaries production, with JW Films.

In association with Placeholder Films, Unseen Hand and mk2.

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The people interviewed for this film spoke on condition of anonymity.

Their appearance and voices have been digitally altered to conceal their identities.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Yes. You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains everything.

the targets of the Air Force attack.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Do you remember how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try.

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This is also confirmed by the height. An apartment in Gaza is, as a rule, about three

meters.

Like this.

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

He is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack

It's four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack.

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Please talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk.

from that.

I'm trying to understand too... Oh.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Try.

Try.

I've never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I can't say how many died, it's never verified. But there was an approval of 500.

like, for...

...just one person.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is. Anywhere we suspect.

We bombard what happens every day. And with big bursts of lightning.

Let's say: one man from here, one building over there, we attack everything. An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

Naza 20. Naza 20.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 people for each junior operative, and there are more

Juniors... you arrive in Gaza whole. Yes.

Okay. I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

Like, right, yeah.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I could no longer be there.

At one point, I couldn't stay, and I can't be a part of that.

- But you were already a part of that. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this. It's called Eye in the Sky.

There's the attack, which was my role.

They go to great lengths to convince them that there is morality in it.

It's something I also told myself.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they are injured, but still alive.

And then, almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, there aren't that many who hate Arabs.

Like, come on, it's an elitist unit, basically full of people from Tel Aviv...

There aren't many people there who, like, hate Arabs.

- A crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed someone, and you said they don't hate Arabs; in my view, they killed more Arabs.

over the last two years.

Yes, I...

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission. Like, it is the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Try.

You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains all the attack targets of

Air Force.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Can you say how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

Look at it this way: there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This is also confirmed by the height. An apartment in Gaza is typically about three meters high.

Like this...

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

He is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack is

four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die here in the attack,

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Then talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk.

from that.

I'm trying to understand as well.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Yes yes.

No.

I've never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I can't say how many died, it's never verified. But there was an approval of 500.

like, for...

...just one person.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is.

Anywhere we suspect you go on a daily basis, we bomb it.

And with large lightning bolts.

Let's say: one man from here, one building over there, we attack everything. An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

I'm 20 years old.

I'm 20 years old.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 people for each junior operative, and there are more

Juniors... you arrive in Gaza whole.

Okay. I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I could no longer be there.

I couldn't stay there, and I can't be a part of this.

Well, you did participate.

- What do you mean? You were part of this. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this. It's called Eye in the Sky.

There's the attack, which was my role.

Yes it is true.

They go to great lengths to convince them that there is morality in it.

It's something I also told myself.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they are injured, but still alive.

And then, almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, there aren't many who hate Arabs. Go ahead, it's an elitist unit.

Deep down, it's full of people from Tel Aviv... There aren't many people there.

Whatever, like...

- That he hates Arabs, that's insane dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed you, and you say that they don't hate Arabs.

In my view, they were the ones who killed the most Arabs.

over the last two years.

Try.

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission. Like, it is the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Yes. You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains everything.

the targets of the Air Force attack.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Do you know how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This can also be confirmed by the height.

The standard height of a floor in Gaza is around three meters.

Like this.

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

And he is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack

It's four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack.

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Please talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Try.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk about that.

I'm trying to understand as well.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Try.

Try.

I've never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I can't say how many died, it's never verified. But there was an approval of 500.

like, for...

...just one person.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is. Anywhere we suspect.

We bombard what happens every day. And with big bursts of lightning.

Let's say: here, a man, a building there, we attack everything.

An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

I'm 20 years old.

I'm 20 years old.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 for every junior operative, and there are endless juniors,

You arrive in all of Gaza. Yes.

Okay.

I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

Okay, yes.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I could no longer be there.

I couldn't stay there, and I can't be a part of this.

Well, you did participate.

- What do you mean? You were part of this. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this. It's called Eye in the Sky.

There's the attack, which was my role.

Yes it is true.

They go to great lengths to convince them that there is morality in it.

It's something I also told myself.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they are injured, but still alive.

And then, almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, few people hate Arabs. It's elitist, full of people from Tel Aviv...

There aren't many people there who, like, hate Arabs.

- A crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed you, and you say that they don't hate Arabs.

In my view, they were the ones who killed the most Arabs.

over the last two years.

Try.

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission.

Like, that's the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Try.

You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains all the attack targets of

Air Force.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Can you say how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This is also confirmed by the height. An apartment in Gaza is, as a rule, about three

meters.

Like this.

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

He is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack is

four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack.

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Then talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Try.

Yes, and it doesn't seem so to me.

that he is inclined to talk about it.

I'm trying to understand too... Oh.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Try.

Try.

And I never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I don't know how many died, nobody verifies that. But there was an approval of

five hundred, sort of, for...

...just one person.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

- Why video games? - It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is.

Anywhere we suspect you go on a daily basis, we bomb it.

And with large lightning bolts.

Let's say: one man from here, one building over there, we attack everything. An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

I'm 20 years old.

I'm 20 years old.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 for every junior operative, and there are endless juniors,

You arrive in all of Gaza. Yes.

Okay.

I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

Like, right, yeah.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I couldn't do it anymore.

I couldn't stay there, and I can't be a part of this.

Well, you did participate.

- What do you mean? You were part of this. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this. It's called Eye in the Sky.

There's the attack, which was my role.

They try to convince them that there is morality. I used to tell myself that too.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they are injured, but still alive.

And then, almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, few people hate Arabs. It's elitist, full of people from Tel Aviv...

There aren't many people there who, like, hate Arabs.

- A crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed someone, and you said they don't hate Arabs; in my view, they killed more Arabs.

over the last two years.

Yes, I...

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission. Like, it is the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Try.

You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains all the attack targets of

Air Force.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Do you know how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building is 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This is also confirmed by the height. An apartment in Gaza is, as a rule, about three

meters.

Like this.

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

He is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack is

four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack.

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Please talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Try.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk about that.

I'm trying to understand as well.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Yes yes.

No.

I've never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I can't say how many died, it's never verified. But there was an approval of 500.

like, for...

...just one person.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is. Anywhere we suspect.

We bombard what happens every day. And with big bursts of lightning.

Let's say: here, a man, a building there, we attack everything.

An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

I'm 20 years old.

I'm 20 years old.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 people for each junior operative, and there are more

Juniors... you arrive in Gaza whole. Yes.

Okay. I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I simply couldn't do it anymore.

I couldn't stay there, and I can't be a part of this.

- But you were already a part of that. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this. It's called Eye in the Sky.

There's the attack, which was my role.

Yes it is true.

They go to great lengths to convince them that there is morality in it.

It's something I also told myself.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they are injured, but still alive.

And then, almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, few people hate Arabs. It's elitist, full of people from Tel Aviv...

There aren't many people there who, like, hate Arabs.

- A crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed someone, and you said they don't hate Arabs; in my view, they killed more Arabs.

- Over the last two years. - Yes, I...

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission.

Like, that's the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Try.

You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains all the attack targets of

Air Force.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Can you say how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you.

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building I need to attack.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This can also be confirmed by the height.

The standard height of a floor in Gaza is around three meters.

Like this.

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

He is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack is

four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack.

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Please talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk.

from that.

I'm trying to understand too... Oh.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Yes yes.

Try.

I've never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I can't say how many died, it's never verified. But there was an approval of

five hundred, sort of, for...

...just one person.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is.

Anywhere we suspect you go on a daily basis, we bomb it.

And with large lightning bolts.

Let's say: one man from here, one building over there, we attack everything. An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

I'm 20 years old.

I'm 20 years old.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 for every junior operative, and there are endless juniors,

You arrive in all of Gaza. Yes.

Okay. I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

Like, right, yeah.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I could no longer be there.

I couldn't stay there, and I can't be a part of this.

Well, you did participate.

- What do you mean? You were part of this. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this, Eye in the Sky. There's the attack,

which was my job.

They go to great lengths to convince them that there is morality in it.

It's something I also told myself.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they are injured, but still alive.

And then, almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, there aren't many who hate Arabs. Go ahead, it's an elitist unit.

Deep down, it's full of people from Tel Aviv... There aren't many people there.

that is, like, to hate

- Arabs. A crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed you, and you say that they don't hate Arabs.

In my view, they were the ones who killed the most Arabs.

- Over the last two years. - Yes.

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission.

Like, that's the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Try.

You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. A system that contains all the attack targets of

Air Force.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

Ah...

Of course...

...I participated, like, in the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Do you know how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This is also confirmed by the height. An apartment in Gaza is typically about three meters high.

Like this.

We noticed that there's a Hamas member on the 6th floor, right?

He is implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack

It's four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack as a consequence.

Regarding the attack. It's said Naza 15. It's not said that 15 people will die.

And even less that 15 children and women will die .

It is said Naza 15. Do you know what they were?

Naza's numbers?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Then talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk.

from that.

I'm trying to understand too... Oh.

In Naza, is there a difference between, say, children, babies, and men?

No.

Is a baby a Naza?

Try.

Try.

And I never had to deal with that.

What's the highest number you can remember in a single attack?

I can't say how many died, it's never verified. But there was an approval of

five hundred, type,

For one person only.

Five Hundred is like... it's a small town in the State of Israel.

Try.

A video game, we always said.

- Seriously? They really said that? - Yes, it's like a video game.

- Why video games? - It's all done remotely.

The number of Naza attacks I remember: 200.

A senior citizen: we don't know exactly where he is. Anywhere we suspect.

We bombard what happens every day. And with big bursts of lightning.

Let's say: one man from here, one building over there, we attack everything. An entire neighborhood.

At one point, anyone in Lavender could be bombarded with Naza 20.

I'm 20 years old.

I'm 20 years old.

Naza 20 suddenly became the point of reference. Very low levels of Hamas are being brought down.

with a very, very loose hand on the trigger, following orders.

But when you authorize killing 20 people for each junior operative, and there are more

Juniors... you arrive in Gaza whole. Yes.

Okay. I myself still don't know what to do with this perception.

In practice, that was also why, at a certain point, I could no longer be there.

I couldn't stay there, and I can't be a part of this.

- But you were already a part of that. - Yes.

Citizens of Israel, we crushed the enemy with a massive aerial bombardment.

It will be a victory of good over evil, of light over darkness.

In the course we watched a film about this, Eye in the Sky. There's the attack,

which was my job.

They try to convince them that there is morality. I used to tell myself that too.

There are cases where they attack someone and see that they have been injured.

But I'm still alive, and then,

Almost always, they just drop another one on top of him.

I don't know if I've ever been happy about killing someone.

In my unit, there aren't many who hate Arabs. Go ahead, it's an elitist unit.

Deep down, it's full of people from Tel Aviv... There aren't many people there.

that is, like, to hate

- Arabs. A crazy dehumanization. - But the people you describe, and who

We interviewed you, and you say that they don't hate Arabs.

In my view, they were the ones who killed the most Arabs.

over the last two years.

Try.

What I have to say is that it's about fulfilling the mission. Like, it is the mission.

Israel's main military headquarters is located in the heart of Tel Aviv.

Good morning, we are now studying a lesson about the Arabic verb.

A super-bureaucratic program.

Do you work on a computer?

Try.

You go through training so you can participate in attacks.

Okay. It's a system that contains all the attack targets of

Air Force.

Is there any building in Gaza that you planned to target?

I definitely participated in, like, the planning of buildings that collapsed.

Can you say how many?

No.

Do you know I'm doing this right now?

Try?

If I make these accusations publicly, Israel will put me in prison for revealing them.

I can't think of a more isolated place than a rooftop. Yes.

You see the city, but the city doesn't see you, and in a way...

You are in front of a screen.

You see, there are more buildings nearby, and this is the building that needs to be attacked.

First, one of the things you receive are the building's measurements.

This building will be 20 meters tall. Actually, it's 15 meters.

One of the things they do is see how many floors it has.

How do they know how many floors it has? Usually, by the windows.

This is also confirmed by the height. An apartment in Gaza is typically about three meters high.

Like this.

We noticed that there's someone from Hamas on the 6th floor, right? They're implicated.

But if, on that floor, the information indicates four civilians, the Naza of the attack

It's four.

Naza four.

What is Naza?

Naza: collateral damage. The number of people who will die in the attack.

as a consequence of the attack.

It says: Naza 15.

It's not said that 15 people are going to die, much less that they are going to die.

15 children and women. It is said Naza 15.

Do you know what Naza's numbers were?

I don't remember them.

Do you know anyone who knows?

Then talk to me, because I really want to understand.

Yes, and it doesn't seem to me that he 's in the mood to talk about that.

I'm trying to understand too... Oh.

We see the launches: these are from Gaza, this is the sky over Gaza, and this is the sky over...

...Teleview.

Israel continues to kill Palestinian civilians in Gaza.

Directed by: Yuval Abraham and Rachel Szor.

Production: Harry Davies, Lindsay Poulton and James Wilson.

Executive producers: Glazer, Lewis and Jackson.

Photography: anonymous and Rachel Szor. Editing: Abraham, Szor and Davies.

This film is based on revelations published between 2023 and 2025.

by +972 Magazine, Local Call and The Guardian.

Sound and visual effects.

Color and post-production.

Consultants.

mk2 Films.

Archive credits.

Thank you.

This film was developed in the Close Up studio.

© The Guardian, 2026.