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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:15,083 --> 00:00:17,583 - Picture the small town of Dixon. 2 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:26,250 The stereotypical white picket fences 3 00:00:26,291 --> 00:00:30,000 and red, white, and blue flags flying in front yards, 4 00:00:30,041 --> 00:00:31,917 it's the hometown of Ronald Reagan. 5 00:00:35,083 --> 00:00:38,583 - It's a community, it's about 16,000 population. 6 00:00:38,625 --> 00:00:41,667 Basically kind of a conservative county, in a way. 7 00:00:43,750 --> 00:00:47,500 - A month ago I was at Old St. Pat's in Chicago. 8 00:00:47,542 --> 00:00:49,458 And the usher says, "Where're you from?" 9 00:00:49,500 --> 00:00:52,792 I said, Dixon, and he goes, "Oh, you're the town 10 00:00:52,834 --> 00:00:55,750 that the woman stole the 54 million from." 11 00:00:55,792 --> 00:00:59,166 - It is the biggest case of municipal fraud in history. 12 00:00:59,208 --> 00:01:02,959 The tiny town of Dixon, Illinois, lost an astonishing 13 00:01:03,041 --> 00:01:08,291 $53 million to one government employee. 14 00:01:08,333 --> 00:01:10,709 - If fraud at this magnitude is happening 15 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:14,500 in Dixon, it can happen anywhere. 16 00:01:14,542 --> 00:01:16,250 - Federal agents and local police carry out-- 17 00:01:16,291 --> 00:01:18,291 - Man who evaded police for half a decade 18 00:01:18,333 --> 00:01:20,125 pleads guilty to wire fraud. - Nine top officials accused 19 00:01:20,166 --> 00:01:21,959 of taking $150 million. - James Hollis may be hiding-- 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:23,875 - Fraud is a local, national, 21 00:01:23,917 --> 00:01:27,166 and international problem. 22 00:01:27,208 --> 00:01:30,208 Over the past five years, we've seen a steady rise 23 00:01:30,250 --> 00:01:33,166 in fraud schemes, specifically embezzlement schemes 24 00:01:33,208 --> 00:01:36,458 committed by an employee within a finance position. 25 00:01:36,500 --> 00:01:38,583 - Allegedly embezzling thousands 26 00:01:38,625 --> 00:01:40,792 of dollars from her former-- - $6.4 million over 11 years. 27 00:01:40,834 --> 00:01:45,583 - Embezzlement is a $3.7 trillion problem. 28 00:01:45,625 --> 00:01:47,709 Government entities are the second most 29 00:01:47,750 --> 00:01:49,625 frequent victims of embezzlement. 30 00:01:53,875 --> 00:01:55,750 - A nationally renowned horse breeder, 31 00:01:55,792 --> 00:01:58,166 a city employee since the 1980s, 32 00:01:58,208 --> 00:01:59,834 and a world class thief. 33 00:02:06,458 --> 00:02:08,166 - The number one question people ask me 34 00:02:08,208 --> 00:02:10,875 is how does one person in a small town 35 00:02:10,917 --> 00:02:13,792 steal $53 million, and no one know, 36 00:02:13,834 --> 00:02:15,750 and get away with it for 20 years? 37 00:02:30,542 --> 00:02:33,542 - Rita and I worked together from 1991, 38 00:02:33,583 --> 00:02:36,375 up until the time she was arrested in 2012. 39 00:02:40,709 --> 00:02:45,041 When I first started, my capacity was deputy treasurer, 40 00:02:45,083 --> 00:02:46,166 under Rita Crundwell. 41 00:02:47,583 --> 00:02:50,083 She made it easy to work here. 42 00:02:50,125 --> 00:02:52,583 She would always say to me, "If ever you make a mistake, 43 00:02:52,625 --> 00:02:54,667 "don't worry, it can always be corrected." 44 00:02:57,750 --> 00:03:03,709 In October of 2011, Rita was out of town and I needed 45 00:03:03,750 --> 00:03:08,583 my bank statements to produce my treasurer's report. 46 00:03:08,625 --> 00:03:10,667 In the past, Rita would say to me, 47 00:03:10,709 --> 00:03:14,208 "Now be sure and give them the list over the phone, 48 00:03:14,250 --> 00:03:15,875 "of the statements that you want." 49 00:03:17,750 --> 00:03:20,709 I would just run down the list, but that day 50 00:03:20,750 --> 00:03:23,917 I was under the gun, I had too much work to do, 51 00:03:23,959 --> 00:03:25,583 and I just called and said, 52 00:03:25,625 --> 00:03:28,834 I want all of the bank statements. 53 00:03:28,875 --> 00:03:30,875 That's when they came. 54 00:03:30,917 --> 00:03:34,750 I saw this one account that I had never heard of before. 55 00:03:34,792 --> 00:03:38,667 And, what I noticed on it was three large deposits. 56 00:03:38,709 --> 00:03:41,792 And it was in care of her, it was RSCDA, 57 00:03:41,834 --> 00:03:44,250 City of Dixon, in care of Rita Crundwell. 58 00:03:46,083 --> 00:03:47,625 I didn't know who to go to. 59 00:03:49,208 --> 00:03:51,959 I sat on it for a couple of days. 60 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:53,625 I hid it in my car. 61 00:03:55,583 --> 00:03:58,709 In three days' time, the mayor came into my office, 62 00:03:58,750 --> 00:04:02,458 Mayor Burke, so I told him about it. 63 00:04:02,500 --> 00:04:06,458 He said, "Go and get me a copy of that, right now." 64 00:04:06,500 --> 00:04:09,166 - My initial reaction was that there had to be 65 00:04:09,208 --> 00:04:12,625 an explanation for it, but Kathe kept looking 66 00:04:12,667 --> 00:04:15,875 and she couldn't tie it into anything. 67 00:04:15,917 --> 00:04:18,875 And so, she asked me if I was gonna go to the police 68 00:04:18,917 --> 00:04:22,125 with it, and I said, "No, absolutely not." 69 00:04:22,166 --> 00:04:25,667 - He said, "Kathe, I will take care of this, 70 00:04:25,709 --> 00:04:29,667 "I will go to the FBI, but we cannot say anything because 71 00:04:29,709 --> 00:04:34,667 "if we're not correct, we don't wanna harm Rita in any way." 72 00:04:34,709 --> 00:04:37,959 - I called the FBI, I said, I think there's a cancer 73 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,542 in city hall, but I need to talk with somebody, 74 00:04:41,583 --> 00:04:44,500 and I took the bank statement along. 75 00:04:46,375 --> 00:04:48,333 - The mayor came into the field office, sat down 76 00:04:48,375 --> 00:04:53,875 and discussed with the case agents what they'd discovered. 77 00:04:53,917 --> 00:04:57,041 - I told 'em, I said, I hope I'm wrong about this thing. 78 00:04:57,083 --> 00:04:59,375 And he said, "I don't think you are." 79 00:04:59,417 --> 00:05:01,417 - So we were able to go to the U.S. Attorney's Office 80 00:05:01,458 --> 00:05:04,667 and get a grand jury opened, and during that grand jury, 81 00:05:04,709 --> 00:05:07,583 subpoenas issued for these different bank accounts. 82 00:05:09,333 --> 00:05:12,333 - I was very scared because I was told 83 00:05:12,375 --> 00:05:16,959 you keep it quiet, you say nothing to nobody, 84 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:18,709 we'll handle the investigation. 85 00:05:18,750 --> 00:05:20,625 So I believe that when the FBI tells you 86 00:05:20,667 --> 00:05:23,208 to keep your mouth shut, you keep your mouth shut. 87 00:05:26,667 --> 00:05:29,667 We had it set up that 88 00:05:32,667 --> 00:05:35,667 if the FBI needed 89 00:05:35,709 --> 00:05:39,333 any kind of documentation from here, I would come in early, 90 00:05:39,375 --> 00:05:41,041 I would make the copies, 91 00:05:41,083 --> 00:05:43,291 I would put them in a sealed envelope, 92 00:05:43,333 --> 00:05:44,625 put 'em on the Mayor's desk. 93 00:05:47,125 --> 00:05:49,500 - Kathe Swanson, she was very instrumental 94 00:05:49,542 --> 00:05:51,917 in determining what accounts were real, 95 00:05:51,959 --> 00:05:53,709 what accounts were fake, how the money 96 00:05:53,750 --> 00:05:55,542 should have flowed through the city of Dixon. 97 00:05:57,291 --> 00:05:59,834 From there, looking at all the massive amounts 98 00:05:59,875 --> 00:06:01,458 of paperwork that came in. 99 00:06:04,208 --> 00:06:09,792 - They wanted one of our reports, so I just took it. 100 00:06:09,834 --> 00:06:12,542 Well, two days later, Rita went looking for it. 101 00:06:12,583 --> 00:06:14,083 And I'm thinking, what am I gonna tell her? 102 00:06:14,125 --> 00:06:17,083 I have to come up with an excuse. 103 00:06:17,125 --> 00:06:19,667 And she came up with the excuse for me. 104 00:06:19,709 --> 00:06:21,875 She said, "Oh, wasn't that the one that was incorrect 105 00:06:21,917 --> 00:06:25,875 "and we sent it back to the accountants to redo it?" 106 00:06:25,917 --> 00:06:27,667 And I said, you know what, you're right. 107 00:06:31,959 --> 00:06:35,083 I had to do this for six months. 108 00:06:35,125 --> 00:06:38,667 I had to keep that status quo in the office. 109 00:06:38,709 --> 00:06:43,250 I had to ask her how her trips were, how her dogs were, 110 00:06:43,291 --> 00:06:47,208 so as not to let on that something was not right, 111 00:06:47,250 --> 00:06:49,208 and I knew about it. 112 00:06:49,250 --> 00:06:51,000 - She came to me one morning and she said, 113 00:06:51,041 --> 00:06:53,917 "I don't know if I can handle this any longer." 114 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:56,542 - My boyfriend Tom would say to me quite frequently, 115 00:06:56,583 --> 00:06:58,333 "Are you sure you're okay, 116 00:06:58,375 --> 00:07:00,041 "is there anything wrong with your kids? 117 00:07:00,083 --> 00:07:02,667 "You don't seem like yourself." 118 00:07:02,709 --> 00:07:05,583 And I would just say, oh, I have a lot of work to do. 119 00:07:05,625 --> 00:07:07,875 There's a lot going on at work, 120 00:07:07,917 --> 00:07:09,625 I need to get a lot of things done. 121 00:07:12,625 --> 00:07:14,709 - You know, over the next months, we'd look at 122 00:07:14,750 --> 00:07:17,834 surveillance of the subject to see what's involved, 123 00:07:17,875 --> 00:07:21,667 the scope of her and her lifestyle. 124 00:07:21,709 --> 00:07:23,667 One of the things the FBI wanted to find out 125 00:07:23,709 --> 00:07:26,875 during the investigation was, did she do this alone? 126 00:07:26,917 --> 00:07:29,166 Was she hiding for somebody else? 127 00:07:29,208 --> 00:07:32,625 She had loved ones, family members that worked 128 00:07:32,667 --> 00:07:35,291 also for the city of Dixon, they were in the area. 129 00:07:35,333 --> 00:07:39,375 She helped support nephews, she'd given loans out to family, 130 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:42,667 she had a boyfriend who was also involved in a business. 131 00:07:42,709 --> 00:07:44,500 Are they involved? 132 00:07:47,208 --> 00:07:51,500 But once they got hold of the RSCDA account, 133 00:07:51,542 --> 00:07:54,250 it was pretty obvious what she had done. 134 00:07:54,291 --> 00:07:58,750 They could see where the money went from there. 135 00:07:58,792 --> 00:08:01,917 - When we had discovered, through the FBI, 136 00:08:01,959 --> 00:08:05,667 what she was doing and how she was going about 137 00:08:05,709 --> 00:08:08,083 getting the money and putting it into that account, 138 00:08:10,125 --> 00:08:11,625 I felt betrayed. 139 00:08:13,750 --> 00:08:15,542 - You know, while we're doing the investigation 140 00:08:15,583 --> 00:08:20,458 she was able to take $1.5 million from Dixon. 141 00:08:22,458 --> 00:08:24,959 - I would sit and I'd watch her at lunch time 142 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:28,709 go and get the checkbook to write her check out, 143 00:08:28,750 --> 00:08:31,291 after she called the money up, 144 00:08:31,333 --> 00:08:33,625 and then she would turn around and deposit it 145 00:08:33,667 --> 00:08:35,208 into her account over at the bank. 146 00:08:37,125 --> 00:08:39,083 So the minute we got the money in, 147 00:08:39,125 --> 00:08:41,458 it was gone in the afternoon. 148 00:08:41,500 --> 00:08:44,917 - I called the FBI agent and I said, if we don't 149 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:47,041 put a stop to this thing pretty quick, 150 00:08:47,083 --> 00:08:48,875 there isn't gonna be anything left. 151 00:08:48,917 --> 00:08:52,875 The night before she was arrested, we had a 152 00:08:52,917 --> 00:08:55,583 budget hearing in here and I thought, 153 00:08:55,625 --> 00:08:58,750 boy are people gonna be surprised tomorrow. 154 00:09:01,875 --> 00:09:04,291 - That morning, I went into the mayor's office. 155 00:09:04,333 --> 00:09:06,667 I said, Jim, I can't do this anymore. 156 00:09:06,709 --> 00:09:08,166 And he just looked up at me and he said, 157 00:09:08,208 --> 00:09:10,041 "Kathe, today's the day." 158 00:09:12,709 --> 00:09:14,583 - So, I just called her on the intercom, 159 00:09:14,625 --> 00:09:15,792 I said, Rita could you stop up here, 160 00:09:15,834 --> 00:09:18,291 and she said, "Sure." 161 00:09:18,333 --> 00:09:21,625 - She came down the hall, I couldn't look at her 162 00:09:21,667 --> 00:09:23,417 because I knew right then and there 163 00:09:23,458 --> 00:09:27,166 they were already in the office waiting for her. 164 00:09:27,208 --> 00:09:29,625 - So, she come up to the door, she said, "Yes, sir." 165 00:09:29,667 --> 00:09:31,792 I said, Rita, these gentlemen would like to 166 00:09:31,834 --> 00:09:36,625 ask you a few questions, and she said, "Sure." 167 00:09:36,667 --> 00:09:38,500 And I was lookin' right at her face, 168 00:09:38,542 --> 00:09:41,291 and her continence never changed at all. 169 00:09:41,333 --> 00:09:45,417 So, with that, I exited the office. 170 00:09:45,458 --> 00:09:48,500 And then, just like that, there's like about 171 00:09:48,542 --> 00:09:51,375 15 of 'em, came into city hall. 172 00:09:51,417 --> 00:09:53,583 Come right upstairs and they shut city hall down. 173 00:09:55,917 --> 00:09:58,291 - We brought in agents from downtown, 174 00:09:58,333 --> 00:09:59,917 used the agents out of Rockford. 175 00:09:59,959 --> 00:10:01,917 Of course the marshals were with us 176 00:10:01,959 --> 00:10:04,917 because of the amount of seizures that were going on. 177 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:09,291 - They sealed off the stairs, it was quite intense. 178 00:10:12,041 --> 00:10:14,667 - And at that time she was approached. 179 00:10:14,709 --> 00:10:16,667 She was given her Miranda rights and asked 180 00:10:16,709 --> 00:10:19,667 if she would like to talk to us, which she did 181 00:10:19,709 --> 00:10:23,667 give an interview, that lasted about an hour and a half. 182 00:10:23,709 --> 00:10:26,875 During that interview, she was cooperative. 183 00:10:26,917 --> 00:10:30,750 She only thought she'd taken around $10 million. 184 00:10:30,792 --> 00:10:33,625 If somebody gives a partial confession or something, 185 00:10:33,667 --> 00:10:36,250 we want that, it locks their statement in. 186 00:10:36,291 --> 00:10:37,500 And that's what she did. 187 00:10:39,875 --> 00:10:43,667 I think she was a little overwhelmed, surprised. 188 00:10:43,709 --> 00:10:46,250 You know, 20 years of her life and basically 189 00:10:46,291 --> 00:10:50,000 everything she knew, that was all comin' down. 190 00:10:50,041 --> 00:10:53,083 And it hit her like a ton of bricks very quickly and, 191 00:10:53,125 --> 00:10:57,291 people get emotional and they probably later go, 192 00:10:57,333 --> 00:10:59,000 you know what, I maybe shouldn't have done that, 193 00:10:59,041 --> 00:11:02,375 maybe shouldn't have talked, but they do. 194 00:11:02,417 --> 00:11:04,875 - She was in here singin' like a canary. 195 00:11:04,917 --> 00:11:07,625 We never saw her, they took her right out 196 00:11:07,667 --> 00:11:11,083 through the council chambers, and then took her to Rockford. 197 00:11:13,750 --> 00:11:16,041 - And immediately it felt like 198 00:11:16,083 --> 00:11:18,834 this weight had been lifted off my shoulders. 199 00:11:18,875 --> 00:11:22,125 - This afternoon, in the central Illinois town of Dixon, 200 00:11:22,166 --> 00:11:25,583 authorities announced a 60 count indictment 201 00:11:25,625 --> 00:11:29,625 against a woman named Rita Crundwell. 202 00:11:29,667 --> 00:11:33,583 - During the search warrant of her multiple properties, 203 00:11:33,625 --> 00:11:37,208 the two homes in Dixon, the horse farm, also in Dixon 204 00:11:37,250 --> 00:11:39,750 that she owned, conducted on the day she was arrested 205 00:11:39,792 --> 00:11:43,333 and interviewed, we found located in the basement, 206 00:11:43,375 --> 00:11:48,208 in a crawl space of her home, boxes of every record. 207 00:11:48,250 --> 00:11:52,417 And she kept very good records of her fraud. 208 00:11:52,458 --> 00:11:55,959 It helped to see the scope of what she took, 209 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,500 what did she do with the money? 210 00:11:58,542 --> 00:12:01,834 And in '91 was when she took her first money, 211 00:12:01,875 --> 00:12:05,166 which was about $181,000 that year. 212 00:12:05,208 --> 00:12:07,125 But we were able to figure that out 213 00:12:07,166 --> 00:12:10,542 because of the records she kept, and stored in her house. 214 00:12:12,667 --> 00:12:15,333 This case probably one of the most egregious cases 215 00:12:15,375 --> 00:12:18,583 the FBI has worked, considering the size of the victim 216 00:12:18,625 --> 00:12:20,709 and the amount of money taken. 217 00:12:20,750 --> 00:12:24,709 And we're not talking $10,000, a ream of paper, 218 00:12:24,750 --> 00:12:28,041 or some pencils, which you know, 219 00:12:28,083 --> 00:12:33,834 53 plus million dollars is just unbelievable. 220 00:12:33,875 --> 00:12:35,458 - So let's take a look 221 00:12:35,500 --> 00:12:37,625 at how Rita pulled off this scheme. 222 00:12:41,458 --> 00:12:44,250 There were six legitimate City of Dixon accounts 223 00:12:44,291 --> 00:12:46,625 at Fifth Third Bank. 224 00:12:46,667 --> 00:12:49,625 She routinely moved funds into the legitimate 225 00:12:49,667 --> 00:12:51,542 capital development fund. But Rita then set 226 00:12:51,583 --> 00:12:53,458 up an additional 227 00:12:53,500 --> 00:12:57,291 seventh account no one knew about. 228 00:12:57,333 --> 00:13:00,667 To get the process started, she created phony invoices 229 00:13:00,709 --> 00:13:04,417 to justify payments for imaginary capital projects, 230 00:13:04,458 --> 00:13:08,625 such as, fixing sidewalks and street repairs. 231 00:13:08,667 --> 00:13:11,792 These phony invoices trigger Rita's transferring money 232 00:13:11,834 --> 00:13:14,667 from the city's legitimate capital development fund 233 00:13:14,709 --> 00:13:16,583 into her secret account. 234 00:13:19,583 --> 00:13:21,417 It had a similar name to look like 235 00:13:21,458 --> 00:13:23,417 a legitimate city account. 236 00:13:23,458 --> 00:13:25,750 From her secret account, she wrote checks for her 237 00:13:25,792 --> 00:13:29,625 personal expenses, such as spa visits, jewelry, 238 00:13:29,667 --> 00:13:33,792 real estate, a motor coach, and of course, quarter horses. 239 00:13:35,625 --> 00:13:38,792 She did this process 179 times. 240 00:13:40,625 --> 00:13:42,709 - The fraud that took place in Dixon 241 00:13:42,750 --> 00:13:44,709 is very textbook classic. 242 00:13:44,750 --> 00:13:47,625 It is those where we set up a side account, 243 00:13:47,667 --> 00:13:49,959 we mask it in the name of a government, 244 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:52,291 and that one individual has control of 245 00:13:52,333 --> 00:13:54,583 money going in and money going out. 246 00:13:56,208 --> 00:13:57,875 - It usually is simple. 247 00:13:57,917 --> 00:14:00,583 It doesn't have to be a complicated process. 248 00:14:00,625 --> 00:14:03,625 And I think that if she made it more complicated 249 00:14:03,667 --> 00:14:06,083 she might've gotten caught sooner. 250 00:14:11,667 --> 00:14:14,917 - I made up my mind that I was gonna go to the press. 251 00:14:14,959 --> 00:14:19,041 I'd never seen so many news media in my life. 252 00:14:19,083 --> 00:14:20,959 This is a traumatic, upsetting event 253 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:25,000 that the citizens and council are experiencing. 254 00:14:25,041 --> 00:14:29,083 Rita Crundwell will be placed on administrative leave 255 00:14:29,125 --> 00:14:33,208 without pay until the issues are settled. 256 00:14:33,250 --> 00:14:36,000 Every effort will be made to acquire assets 257 00:14:36,041 --> 00:14:38,709 for the benefit of the city. 258 00:14:38,750 --> 00:14:42,625 - Crundwell is now free after posting a $4,500 bond, 259 00:14:42,667 --> 00:14:44,625 only fueling the outrage. 260 00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:47,417 - Excuse us. 261 00:14:47,458 --> 00:14:49,166 - Any idea why she wouldn't talk to us today 262 00:14:49,208 --> 00:14:50,583 and just apologize to the people of Dixon? 263 00:14:50,625 --> 00:14:52,083 - Can't answer any questions. 264 00:14:54,125 --> 00:14:56,125 - The public was pretty up in arms 265 00:14:56,166 --> 00:14:59,875 and people were picketing out in front of city hall and 266 00:14:59,917 --> 00:15:02,625 every day was a news media deal. 267 00:15:02,667 --> 00:15:06,250 - Rita, why did you steal $53 million 268 00:15:06,291 --> 00:15:08,125 from the people of Dixon? - Get your ass outta here. 269 00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:10,083 - How were you able to get away with this for two decades? 270 00:15:10,125 --> 00:15:12,417 - My first thought was, Dixon has that much money? 271 00:15:12,458 --> 00:15:14,000 That you could embezzle that much money 272 00:15:14,041 --> 00:15:16,625 from a little tiny place like this. 273 00:15:16,667 --> 00:15:19,583 - I think she's a very smart lady and got by with 274 00:15:19,625 --> 00:15:23,208 a lot of stuff because people just trusted her so well. 275 00:15:23,250 --> 00:15:24,500 More than anything. 276 00:15:24,542 --> 00:15:26,083 - Do you think you were just 277 00:15:26,125 --> 00:15:28,375 smarter than everybody else, Rita? 278 00:15:28,417 --> 00:15:30,208 - You know, you have a trusted employee 279 00:15:30,250 --> 00:15:33,458 and it's human nature to trust 'em. 280 00:15:33,500 --> 00:15:36,000 - You know I hear a lot of people that say, 281 00:15:36,041 --> 00:15:37,542 Rita was a nice person. 282 00:15:39,709 --> 00:15:44,166 She was a nice person because she had to be a nice person. 283 00:15:47,875 --> 00:15:50,291 - Smaller communities where we're electing 284 00:15:50,333 --> 00:15:53,625 individuals that we know well, we go to church with them, 285 00:15:53,667 --> 00:15:56,125 we're much more on an intimate basis 286 00:15:56,166 --> 00:16:01,125 with our governing bodies, and I think what you find is that 287 00:16:01,166 --> 00:16:05,500 smaller governments to some extent maybe lend themselves 288 00:16:05,542 --> 00:16:11,250 more to the notion of a trust an increased trust factor. 289 00:16:13,875 --> 00:16:16,166 - Before Rita, the largest municipal fraud 290 00:16:16,208 --> 00:16:20,125 in U.S. history was a case in Washington, D.C. 291 00:16:20,166 --> 00:16:23,208 In this particular fraud, a network of friends and family 292 00:16:23,250 --> 00:16:26,792 stole $48 million over a 20 year period. 293 00:16:26,834 --> 00:16:29,625 When you compare D.C. to Dixon, the amount of money 294 00:16:29,667 --> 00:16:32,333 that Rita was able to steal from this small town 295 00:16:32,375 --> 00:16:36,333 all by herself, makes this case even more shocking. 296 00:16:46,041 --> 00:16:49,542 - One statement from a town official, 297 00:16:49,583 --> 00:16:51,709 he said, "Rita watches over every penny 298 00:16:51,750 --> 00:16:57,625 "as if it were her own," and every penny almost was her own. 299 00:16:57,667 --> 00:16:59,583 - Now let's congratulate your 2011 300 00:16:59,625 --> 00:17:03,166 world champion, Good I Will Be, owned and shown 301 00:17:03,208 --> 00:17:06,875 by Rita Crundwell of Dixon, Illinois. 302 00:17:06,917 --> 00:17:10,250 - She was leadin' a big lifestyle. 303 00:17:10,291 --> 00:17:13,333 I thought, and I think everybody in town thought, 304 00:17:13,375 --> 00:17:15,333 that it was all due to these horses, you know, 305 00:17:15,375 --> 00:17:17,667 there'd be stories in the paper that she's got 306 00:17:17,709 --> 00:17:20,583 another national champion, and she'd have pictures. 307 00:17:20,625 --> 00:17:23,500 And then were stories that she'd sold horses 308 00:17:23,542 --> 00:17:27,333 for two and $300,000, so that was the image 309 00:17:27,375 --> 00:17:30,542 that she was conveying, that was the image that I had. 310 00:17:33,917 --> 00:17:39,583 - I must've went by Rita's horse farm 15 times, 311 00:17:39,625 --> 00:17:41,417 you know, and I always asked my wife, 312 00:17:41,458 --> 00:17:43,542 who has that many quarter horses? 313 00:17:45,625 --> 00:17:48,417 - It was really kinda mind boggling and see the spread 314 00:17:48,458 --> 00:17:51,000 that she had, it's like, oh my gosh. 315 00:17:56,959 --> 00:18:01,875 - Nobody ever questioned the magnitude of that money. 316 00:18:04,333 --> 00:18:07,792 - She told people that her parents were 317 00:18:07,834 --> 00:18:10,291 investors in Campbell Soup Companies. 318 00:18:10,333 --> 00:18:12,834 I mean certainly her parents could've owned many acres 319 00:18:12,875 --> 00:18:15,500 of farmland, which is very high-revenue. 320 00:18:17,333 --> 00:18:19,583 I honestly didn't think too much about it. 321 00:18:19,625 --> 00:18:22,000 Curious, but like everyone else, you just kind of, 322 00:18:22,041 --> 00:18:23,750 oh, hm, interesting. 323 00:18:23,792 --> 00:18:28,875 - I do know for a fact, several people, 324 00:18:28,917 --> 00:18:33,583 many people, benefited from her money. 325 00:18:33,625 --> 00:18:36,542 And I suspect 85% of it was cash. 326 00:18:40,625 --> 00:18:42,667 - Co-workers at the city thought that she inherited 327 00:18:42,709 --> 00:18:44,625 a lot of money, and that she got involved in it, 328 00:18:44,667 --> 00:18:47,000 and was very successful. 329 00:18:47,041 --> 00:18:50,083 Of course the family knew that she didn't so, 330 00:18:50,125 --> 00:18:53,166 you know, was it ever clear exactly what their belief was? 331 00:18:53,208 --> 00:18:56,583 It was, if they're benefiting, it's 332 00:18:56,625 --> 00:18:58,542 don't look a gift horse in the mouth, right? 333 00:19:02,625 --> 00:19:07,083 - One of the things that really struck me about this story 334 00:19:07,125 --> 00:19:09,208 with the horses were the names that she gave them. 335 00:19:09,250 --> 00:19:11,250 - I Execute Class. 336 00:19:11,291 --> 00:19:14,583 - Subconsciously, or ironically to send a message 337 00:19:14,625 --> 00:19:18,458 to the town, the irony there is obvious. 338 00:19:20,625 --> 00:19:23,041 I'm Money Too 339 00:19:23,083 --> 00:19:25,125 She Scores 340 00:19:25,166 --> 00:19:26,917 Packin' Jewels 341 00:19:26,959 --> 00:19:28,500 Me Myself and I 342 00:19:30,542 --> 00:19:32,583 Jewelry by Tiffany 343 00:19:32,625 --> 00:19:34,208 Careful Who U Invite 344 00:19:34,250 --> 00:19:35,333 Ain't I a Natural 345 00:19:36,375 --> 00:19:37,792 I Found a Penny 346 00:19:39,792 --> 00:19:42,625 - She Scores, makes me cry because 347 00:19:42,667 --> 00:19:45,208 she's one of my favorite mares. 348 00:19:45,250 --> 00:19:47,583 And, by Execute, so-- 349 00:19:47,625 --> 00:19:49,542 - Can you tell me a little bit why 350 00:19:49,583 --> 00:19:51,291 She Scores is so special to you? 351 00:19:53,667 --> 00:19:58,375 - She's just a great mare and she won seven world champions, 352 00:19:58,417 --> 00:20:01,875 and she just has a special place in my heart. 353 00:20:03,875 --> 00:20:07,917 - The idea of a small town, high school educated, 354 00:20:07,959 --> 00:20:12,417 municipal clerk who was able to both 355 00:20:12,458 --> 00:20:16,667 completely pull the wool over her town's eyes, 356 00:20:16,709 --> 00:20:20,583 but you know, the second half of her double life, 357 00:20:20,625 --> 00:20:26,625 which was this grand, high stakes horse empire. 358 00:20:26,667 --> 00:20:30,709 By day she's wearing meek, municipal clothes 359 00:20:30,750 --> 00:20:36,000 and by night she's dripping with jewels and furs. 360 00:20:36,041 --> 00:20:38,500 - Is that what she said? 361 00:20:38,542 --> 00:20:39,542 This is funny. 362 00:20:41,458 --> 00:20:44,583 - I met Rita in 2005 at the American Quarter Horse 363 00:20:44,625 --> 00:20:47,333 World Finals, in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. 364 00:20:47,375 --> 00:20:49,125 - I love it. 365 00:20:49,166 --> 00:20:51,750 - We always stalled at the same area every year. 366 00:20:51,792 --> 00:20:54,583 She kept in a small little circle. 367 00:20:54,625 --> 00:20:56,583 You didn't see a lot of people walkin' up to her, 368 00:20:56,625 --> 00:20:59,834 or congratulatin' her, and I think, you know, 369 00:20:59,875 --> 00:21:02,792 I was in awe of her, I mean, Rita was a showman 370 00:21:02,834 --> 00:21:04,750 and she was very good at what she did. 371 00:21:04,792 --> 00:21:08,792 When she won, she deserved it, I mean she really did. 372 00:21:08,834 --> 00:21:10,834 - The Oklahoma City Leading Owner Award 373 00:21:10,875 --> 00:21:13,875 was no surprise, since Rita Crundwell of Dixon, Illinois 374 00:21:13,917 --> 00:21:18,000 has won the award now for eight consecutive years. 375 00:21:18,041 --> 00:21:19,166 Congratulations, Rita. 376 00:21:21,417 --> 00:21:24,667 - Rita was very polished all the time. 377 00:21:24,709 --> 00:21:28,166 She always had a fitted, short top on, 378 00:21:28,208 --> 00:21:31,834 and had beautiful jewelry on while she was showing. 379 00:21:31,875 --> 00:21:35,959 There'd be times she would go back to back in classes. 380 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,583 She'd be out there for two hours, her horse trainer 381 00:21:38,625 --> 00:21:42,250 would bring her another horse, she'd change her jacket, 382 00:21:42,291 --> 00:21:44,792 and go back out there again. 383 00:21:44,834 --> 00:21:47,959 Everybody was like, how did Rita come across all this money? 384 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,542 And we were told that Rita had a boyfriend that passed away 385 00:21:51,583 --> 00:21:54,542 and he was much older than her and left all her money 386 00:21:54,583 --> 00:21:56,834 to her, and it was believable. 387 00:21:56,875 --> 00:22:00,875 I saw her pull up one day with a brand new, custom made 388 00:22:00,917 --> 00:22:03,583 Sundowner trailer just to haul the horses in. 389 00:22:03,625 --> 00:22:06,542 And you know, the word was out, it was $250,000. 390 00:22:08,208 --> 00:22:10,417 Rita, how did you sleep at night? 391 00:22:10,458 --> 00:22:15,333 How did you go to bed and not think, 392 00:22:15,375 --> 00:22:17,083 whose lives I'm infecting here? 393 00:22:17,125 --> 00:22:20,375 I mean, it's crazy, how did you sleep at night? 394 00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:33,291 - She lived quite a life. 395 00:22:33,333 --> 00:22:38,083 A totally different life than what she portrayed here. 396 00:22:38,125 --> 00:22:41,542 - I had learned that she had a house in Florida. 397 00:22:41,583 --> 00:22:43,583 I always thought that she just went down 398 00:22:43,625 --> 00:22:48,000 and stayed at her boyfriend's mother's house. 399 00:22:48,041 --> 00:22:49,917 - The other thing that was shocking to me 400 00:22:49,959 --> 00:22:53,250 from a mayoral standpoint, she took off four months 401 00:22:53,291 --> 00:22:56,500 out of the year, why did you need her? 402 00:22:58,583 --> 00:23:00,083 - Rita taking time off 403 00:23:00,125 --> 00:23:02,333 was unusual because most fraudsters 404 00:23:02,375 --> 00:23:04,458 don't wanna take time off because they're scared 405 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:06,542 that their fraud scheme will be discovered. 406 00:23:06,583 --> 00:23:11,542 But Rita was so confident that she took tons of time off. 407 00:23:11,583 --> 00:23:14,166 - 'Cause she was a friend, after the council meeting 408 00:23:14,208 --> 00:23:18,208 they all came to her house and then she had cocktails. 409 00:23:18,250 --> 00:23:21,542 - Yes, she would have people from the city go to her house, 410 00:23:21,583 --> 00:23:23,000 she'd have a barbecue. 411 00:23:23,041 --> 00:23:25,583 She had a pool in her yard. 412 00:23:25,625 --> 00:23:28,583 - They were not unlike parties that other, 413 00:23:28,625 --> 00:23:31,041 say doctors, lawyers, or anyone 414 00:23:31,083 --> 00:23:32,834 with sustenance here had. 415 00:23:32,875 --> 00:23:37,000 So, I mean again, that was not really questioned. 416 00:23:37,041 --> 00:23:40,291 - Thank you. - Could you tell 417 00:23:40,332 --> 00:23:40,373 us about your pretty pony. 418 00:23:40,414 --> 00:23:44,667 - I bred Skipper W. Mare that belonged to Terry Stevers, 419 00:23:44,709 --> 00:23:47,709 by Mr. Touchdown Kid, I leased Terry's alt mares 420 00:23:47,750 --> 00:23:51,542 for two years and I got all the colts out of 'em. 421 00:23:51,583 --> 00:23:55,041 - Rita's wealth was not necessarily a red flag, 422 00:23:55,083 --> 00:23:57,000 but what should've been a red flag was 423 00:23:57,041 --> 00:24:00,542 looking at the neighboring town right next door to Dixon, 424 00:24:00,583 --> 00:24:02,542 and that town was Sterling. 425 00:24:02,583 --> 00:24:05,000 Sterling has a similar population size, 426 00:24:05,041 --> 00:24:07,583 a similar annual budget, but yet Sterling 427 00:24:07,625 --> 00:24:10,875 had a surplus, when Dixon had a huge deficit. 428 00:24:10,917 --> 00:24:13,917 Now Dixon may not have felt the impacts of Rita's fraud 429 00:24:13,959 --> 00:24:16,500 because they were borrowing a lot of money 430 00:24:16,542 --> 00:24:18,375 during the time Rita was embezzling 431 00:24:18,417 --> 00:24:19,500 a lot of the city's money. 432 00:24:21,625 --> 00:24:24,750 18 months before Rita was arrested, the city manager 433 00:24:24,792 --> 00:24:27,542 of Sterling, Illinois, actually wrote a letter 434 00:24:27,583 --> 00:24:30,750 to the city of Dixon, and said, why do you all 435 00:24:30,792 --> 00:24:34,667 have this huge deficit, because we have a surplus. 436 00:24:34,709 --> 00:24:37,208 He was trying to alert the city of Dixon 437 00:24:37,250 --> 00:24:38,500 that something seemed wrong. 438 00:24:42,750 --> 00:24:44,625 - Former Dixon comptroller, Rita Crundwell, 439 00:24:44,667 --> 00:24:47,542 made her second federal court appearance. 440 00:24:47,583 --> 00:24:50,333 The main topic of that hearing was the care and concern 441 00:24:50,375 --> 00:24:53,458 of the 300 plus horses that Rita owns. 442 00:24:56,041 --> 00:24:57,917 - I was directed by Magistrate Judge Mahoney, 443 00:24:57,959 --> 00:25:00,625 of the U.S. District Court, to seize and care for 444 00:25:00,667 --> 00:25:03,083 horses belonging to former city of Dixon 445 00:25:03,125 --> 00:25:05,458 comptroller, Rita Crundwell. 446 00:25:08,583 --> 00:25:15,709 - We have 400 horses, and they are on 22 farms in 13 states 447 00:25:15,750 --> 00:25:19,542 that span 17 federal judicial districts. 448 00:25:19,583 --> 00:25:22,917 You know, this case is remarkable, and 449 00:25:22,958 --> 00:25:22,999 it's unprecedented. 450 00:25:26,542 --> 00:25:29,542 - In this particular case, there's been an agreement 451 00:25:29,583 --> 00:25:33,458 to sell the assets before a guilty plea is entered 452 00:25:33,500 --> 00:25:37,083 or a trial for which could, may or may not 453 00:25:37,125 --> 00:25:39,709 result in a conviction. 454 00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:43,500 The reason for that is because these are live animals. 455 00:25:43,542 --> 00:25:48,542 The horses eat, they breathe, they require daily care, 456 00:25:48,583 --> 00:25:50,542 and they're expensive. 457 00:25:50,583 --> 00:25:53,000 We're spending about $200,000 a month 458 00:25:53,041 --> 00:25:55,166 for the care of the horses. 459 00:25:55,208 --> 00:25:57,667 It's a lot that goes into an animal. 460 00:26:03,166 --> 00:26:05,500 This is the defendant's trophy room. 461 00:26:05,542 --> 00:26:09,542 Not many people have a herd of 400 show horses, 462 00:26:09,583 --> 00:26:11,542 many world champion horses. 463 00:26:11,583 --> 00:26:16,291 Our interest would be to try to get all $53 million. 464 00:26:16,333 --> 00:26:17,667 I don't know that the herd's ever gonna bring 465 00:26:17,709 --> 00:26:19,709 anything close to that. 466 00:26:19,750 --> 00:26:23,834 Our purpose today is to let the perspective buyers know 467 00:26:23,875 --> 00:26:27,041 that what we have here is a very valuable herd. 468 00:26:27,083 --> 00:26:28,458 - Out of the office we start with 469 00:26:28,500 --> 00:26:29,709 Good I Will Be-- 470 00:26:29,750 --> 00:26:32,792 Preliminary estimates are that 471 00:26:32,834 --> 00:26:37,542 we should expect 1,500 people here on the farm. 472 00:26:37,583 --> 00:26:40,917 We're being told by the experts that we should anticipate 473 00:26:40,959 --> 00:26:42,917 what is sometimes been referred to as 474 00:26:42,959 --> 00:26:44,875 the Willy Nelson concert crowd. 475 00:26:48,542 --> 00:26:51,083 - $500 real now heard here, and another one of 1,500, 476 00:26:51,125 --> 00:26:55,083 another one on the half, now 477 00:26:55,125 --> 00:26:56,208 five, 600! 478 00:26:56,250 --> 00:26:58,083 600, 600, 700, 800-- 479 00:26:58,125 --> 00:27:00,000 - It's amazing what millions of dollars can buy you, 480 00:27:00,041 --> 00:27:02,792 and how fast they can disappear in two days. 481 00:27:02,834 --> 00:27:05,583 - 25, 50 482 00:27:05,625 --> 00:27:09,333 80, double 80, and now 80 483 00:27:09,375 --> 00:27:11,000 - We're here to bid on some horses 484 00:27:11,041 --> 00:27:12,542 and hopefully we can bring back, some of the money 485 00:27:12,583 --> 00:27:15,166 back to Dixon, Illinois. 486 00:27:15,208 --> 00:27:17,417 - I've been in the horse business all my life, 487 00:27:17,458 --> 00:27:18,792 and I've never seen anything like this 488 00:27:18,834 --> 00:27:21,458 no place in the United States. 489 00:27:24,041 --> 00:27:25,667 - I think it's absolutely gorgeous 490 00:27:25,709 --> 00:27:27,583 and I've been doin' this for 30 years 491 00:27:27,625 --> 00:27:30,250 and I can tell ya, I've never started a horse sale 492 00:27:30,291 --> 00:27:31,792 with one as good as this one. 493 00:27:31,834 --> 00:27:36,000 and 200,000, yeah, 200. 494 00:27:36,041 --> 00:27:38,083 Yeah, 250, 250, yeah three. 495 00:27:38,125 --> 00:27:40,458 250, hear 300 496 00:27:40,500 --> 00:27:44,375 now 500,000, yeah 500 497 00:27:44,417 --> 00:27:48,542 500, even 600, and 25 and 625. 498 00:27:48,583 --> 00:27:50,792 Thank you, thank you, that's 750. 499 00:27:50,834 --> 00:27:53,625 750, now 775, 750, give me 775,000. 500 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:57,500 Sold in $775,000. 501 00:28:03,166 --> 00:28:06,166 - I was glad to see what that horse went for, Willy. 502 00:28:06,208 --> 00:28:09,625 They had told me earlier that it would probably go for 503 00:28:09,667 --> 00:28:12,583 anywhere from 500,000 to a million dollars. 504 00:28:12,625 --> 00:28:16,500 So, it was really gratifying to see that. 505 00:28:25,500 --> 00:28:28,375 That's 11.875 grosses, if you-- 506 00:28:28,417 --> 00:28:31,166 - 97,000 plus dollars of horse semen 507 00:28:31,208 --> 00:28:34,000 that she actually had stored and frozen 508 00:28:34,041 --> 00:28:35,917 for breeding purposes, that was sold. 509 00:28:37,709 --> 00:28:39,667 - 55, now 55, now 656, now 65, now 70-- 510 00:28:39,709 --> 00:28:43,583 - Today we've recouped about 7.4 million. 511 00:28:43,625 --> 00:28:45,959 Our goal is to recoup several million more. 512 00:28:48,417 --> 00:28:51,500 Much of the money will not be recoverable, 513 00:28:51,542 --> 00:28:54,125 and that's not unusual in a fraud case. 514 00:29:18,750 --> 00:29:20,500 - I was able to track down some people 515 00:29:20,542 --> 00:29:24,500 who knew Rita as a child, and they described 516 00:29:24,542 --> 00:29:29,834 just a normal kid who was very smart, very pretty, 517 00:29:29,875 --> 00:29:33,375 very charming, and had a great love of horses. 518 00:29:36,083 --> 00:29:38,500 Her mother also showed horses. 519 00:29:40,417 --> 00:29:43,834 So you could see where Rita's interest developed. 520 00:29:43,875 --> 00:29:46,917 She always got the best horses to show. 521 00:29:46,959 --> 00:29:49,917 She was sort of the golden child. 522 00:29:49,959 --> 00:29:52,333 - Rita is a Dixon High School graduate. 523 00:29:52,375 --> 00:29:53,667 And when she was still in high school, 524 00:29:53,709 --> 00:29:55,333 she spent one of them days 525 00:29:55,375 --> 00:29:57,208 with the city government, you know. 526 00:29:57,250 --> 00:29:59,875 And, she caught on and everything worked well 527 00:29:59,917 --> 00:30:03,125 and she did her job very well, at least we thought. 528 00:30:03,166 --> 00:30:06,125 I guess the rest is history. 529 00:30:25,667 --> 00:30:29,333 - I want her to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. 530 00:30:34,542 --> 00:30:36,333 - Boy, I guess I don't know. 531 00:30:40,166 --> 00:30:45,792 - If guilty, yeah, I, white collar crime is crime. 532 00:30:45,834 --> 00:30:48,792 I mean, because someone is 533 00:30:50,500 --> 00:30:52,083 blue collar and it's a violent crime, 534 00:30:52,125 --> 00:30:53,542 doesn't make it less of a crime. 535 00:30:57,458 --> 00:30:59,375 - In the face of overwhelming evidence, 536 00:30:59,417 --> 00:31:02,291 Rita pled guilty to wire fraud and money laundering, 537 00:31:02,333 --> 00:31:05,000 on November 14th, 2012. 538 00:31:08,959 --> 00:31:10,917 Three months after her guilty plea, 539 00:31:10,959 --> 00:31:15,625 Rita arrived at the federal courthouse for her sentencing. 540 00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:18,542 She faces a maximum of 20 years in prison. 541 00:31:19,875 --> 00:31:21,583 The hardship Rita caused Dixon 542 00:31:21,625 --> 00:31:24,917 would be the central focus of the hearing. 543 00:31:24,959 --> 00:31:29,542 - The prosecution put together a PowerPoint presentation. 544 00:31:34,583 --> 00:31:37,458 For each year of her crime spree, 545 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:41,834 they had a couple of boxes outlined in black, 546 00:31:41,875 --> 00:31:45,834 where they would relay the budget committee's 547 00:31:45,875 --> 00:31:48,709 discussions of what needed to be cut. 548 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,333 But then on every page, they had a box outlined in red. 549 00:31:58,375 --> 00:32:03,291 And during these drastic cuts to the Dixon budget, 550 00:32:03,333 --> 00:32:06,375 there were comments like, Rita spent $6000 551 00:32:06,417 --> 00:32:07,959 on a custom-made saddle. 552 00:32:11,458 --> 00:32:14,500 Miss Crundwell upgraded her motor coach. 553 00:32:14,542 --> 00:32:18,041 She upgraded that thing five times, 554 00:32:18,083 --> 00:32:20,542 until she finally bought one that was $2.1 million. 555 00:32:30,583 --> 00:32:35,208 But particularly, in year 2008, is when she 556 00:32:35,250 --> 00:32:37,834 crossed the $5 million threshold. 557 00:32:37,875 --> 00:32:40,750 And again in 2009, more than five million. 558 00:32:40,792 --> 00:32:44,542 And again in 2010, she stole more than $5 million. 559 00:32:44,583 --> 00:32:48,125 And I think she did that because beginning in 2008 560 00:32:48,166 --> 00:32:52,667 was the start of the recession, and she had the best excuse. 561 00:32:55,667 --> 00:32:59,709 - Showing all of her assets made everybody realize 562 00:32:59,750 --> 00:33:01,417 that she just kept buying 563 00:33:01,458 --> 00:33:04,417 and the people of Dixon were suffering. 564 00:33:13,333 --> 00:33:15,583 - The thing that bothers me is, 565 00:33:15,625 --> 00:33:20,250 how many projects, and/or services, 566 00:33:20,291 --> 00:33:23,500 have not come about in the city of Dixon 567 00:33:23,542 --> 00:33:28,375 because the tax dollars weren't there. 568 00:33:28,417 --> 00:33:31,625 If people ask, well who's suffered because of this? 569 00:33:31,667 --> 00:33:34,291 Everybody in this city suffered. 570 00:33:39,542 --> 00:33:41,166 - And of course it was a domino effect. 571 00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:43,458 Later on, we found out in the city. 572 00:33:43,500 --> 00:33:46,083 Repairs and raises and layoffs and, 573 00:33:47,542 --> 00:33:49,125 it was a big impact on Dixon. 574 00:33:51,125 --> 00:33:53,333 - I think a lot of people were talking about 575 00:33:53,375 --> 00:33:58,291 whether if anybody else was involved in this situation. 576 00:33:58,333 --> 00:34:00,709 Somebody else had to know about it. 577 00:34:03,834 --> 00:34:05,667 - She may have taken money away 578 00:34:05,709 --> 00:34:07,417 from people who really needed it. 579 00:34:07,458 --> 00:34:08,959 And that to me is a worse crime. 580 00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:18,750 - Yeah. 581 00:34:24,375 --> 00:34:27,959 - I was trying to recognize the pain she caused to the city. 582 00:34:31,542 --> 00:34:36,041 But, in spite of that, life is never over 'til it's over. 583 00:34:36,083 --> 00:34:38,500 And, I literally believe that anybody 584 00:34:38,542 --> 00:34:40,500 right up to their last breath has got 585 00:34:40,542 --> 00:34:42,542 the possibility to change their life around. 586 00:34:46,417 --> 00:34:49,208 - Rita was given close to the maximum sentence, 587 00:34:50,542 --> 00:34:52,583 19 years and seven months. 588 00:34:55,625 --> 00:34:59,000 - I was in a seat where I could look at her. 589 00:34:59,041 --> 00:35:01,291 She would not look at anybody. 590 00:35:01,333 --> 00:35:03,208 And all I could think about was, you know, 591 00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:06,375 for 20 years I worked side by side with this woman. 592 00:35:06,417 --> 00:35:09,625 And I never knew her, I never really knew her. 593 00:35:12,250 --> 00:35:13,500 - The judge ordered Rita to pay 594 00:35:13,542 --> 00:35:15,959 the city of Dixon restitution, 595 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,333 and he imposed an agreed forfeiture judgment 596 00:35:18,375 --> 00:35:20,750 in the same amount. 597 00:35:20,792 --> 00:35:25,125 This means Rita's restitution is over $100 million. 598 00:35:27,208 --> 00:35:30,458 Based on her $65 per month prison salary, 599 00:35:30,500 --> 00:35:34,709 it would take her over 120,000 years to pay back the city. 600 00:35:38,041 --> 00:35:40,834 - I knew that when they were going to take her, 601 00:35:42,583 --> 00:35:45,875 right then and there, I closed my eyes 602 00:35:45,917 --> 00:35:48,333 so I could listen to the click of the handcuffs. 603 00:35:49,709 --> 00:35:50,959 I knew that justice was served. 604 00:35:55,083 --> 00:35:59,458 They took her so quickly, she didn't even have time 605 00:35:59,500 --> 00:36:01,500 to turn around and say goodbye to her family, 606 00:36:01,542 --> 00:36:04,291 because they were sitting behind her. 607 00:36:04,333 --> 00:36:05,417 She was gone. 608 00:36:08,291 --> 00:36:11,458 - At a time when the city of Dixon is suffering, 609 00:36:11,500 --> 00:36:15,208 and different department heads are having to make 610 00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:20,500 drastic cuts to their budget, the defendant sends out 611 00:36:20,542 --> 00:36:24,291 budget covers, and those covers have cartoon characters, 612 00:36:24,333 --> 00:36:27,625 one was of a cat that was scared, another one 613 00:36:27,667 --> 00:36:30,250 has a big dollar sign being cut in half, 614 00:36:30,291 --> 00:36:32,792 just prior to the defendant's arrest, showed an individual 615 00:36:32,834 --> 00:36:35,417 in the ocean with a life preserver. 616 00:36:35,458 --> 00:36:38,458 Well at the same time, she's stealing millions of dollars 617 00:36:38,500 --> 00:36:41,458 from the city of Dixon to fund her dream. 618 00:36:41,500 --> 00:36:43,875 So, that's what our argument was. 619 00:36:43,917 --> 00:36:44,959 - Thank you all. 620 00:36:46,709 --> 00:36:48,208 - I couldn't come to work the next day. 621 00:36:48,250 --> 00:36:51,458 I sat home crying, frantically. 622 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:55,125 And all I could think about was, did she have a blanket 623 00:36:55,166 --> 00:36:58,917 last night, was she cold, you know, where did they take her? 624 00:37:01,500 --> 00:37:04,458 So, it's like, first you're angry, you're upset, 625 00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,125 you're betrayed, then, 626 00:37:08,625 --> 00:37:12,834 your emotions of, is she okay? 627 00:37:12,875 --> 00:37:18,583 And to me, it was so confusing for me and, I just, 628 00:37:18,625 --> 00:37:22,792 I couldn't understand why I was feeling like that. 629 00:37:26,500 --> 00:37:28,458 - Jim big day yesterday for you 630 00:37:28,500 --> 00:37:30,458 up in federal court. 631 00:37:30,500 --> 00:37:33,625 After thinkin' about it now for almost 24 hours, 632 00:37:33,667 --> 00:37:35,500 what do you think about went down? 633 00:37:49,291 --> 00:37:51,041 - Well you know, I've heard from people, Jim, 634 00:37:51,083 --> 00:37:53,208 that say, oh, she's gonna go to one of those 635 00:37:53,250 --> 00:37:56,375 country club prisons and it won't be so bad after all. 636 00:38:07,875 --> 00:38:12,208 - She did appeal her sentence, stating that the 637 00:38:12,250 --> 00:38:14,417 19 years was unduly harsh. 638 00:38:16,500 --> 00:38:19,458 She lost her appeal, and since then there hasn't been 639 00:38:19,500 --> 00:38:23,750 anything further, so at that point the FBI then 640 00:38:23,792 --> 00:38:26,041 works with the, we're at work with the U.S. Marshals 641 00:38:26,083 --> 00:38:30,208 along the way to work on forfeitures, 642 00:38:30,250 --> 00:38:33,041 determine what she has that was seized. 643 00:38:35,375 --> 00:38:38,458 Thousands of man hours were spent by the FBI alone 644 00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:41,458 when investigating, and then too seizing 645 00:38:41,500 --> 00:38:45,917 and documenting all the evidence. 646 00:38:45,959 --> 00:38:48,458 At this point we don't really spend any more time 647 00:38:48,500 --> 00:38:51,417 as the investigation led that we could not prove 648 00:38:51,458 --> 00:38:53,959 that anybody else was aware of the fraud scheme, 649 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:55,750 and was part of it. 650 00:39:12,417 --> 00:39:15,417 - Dixon voters need to clean house if they are to 651 00:39:15,458 --> 00:39:19,417 rid themselves of this ongoing corruption and incompetence. 652 00:39:19,458 --> 00:39:23,458 Shameful scandal from the hometown of Ronald Reagan. 653 00:39:23,500 --> 00:39:26,250 - As citizens we look at it like, you guys dropped the ball 654 00:39:26,291 --> 00:39:28,083 and you're still here like nothin' happened, 655 00:39:28,125 --> 00:39:31,458 and we keep having to have cameras in our city 656 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:34,667 for stuff that's no good for our city, and we're sick of it. 657 00:39:34,709 --> 00:39:36,542 So, thank you. 658 00:39:36,583 --> 00:39:38,375 - You have not been doin' your job, 659 00:39:38,417 --> 00:39:40,875 you've been doin' what's good for you, 660 00:39:40,917 --> 00:39:42,959 not for the people of Dixon. 661 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,250 As far as I'm concerned, you're all fired, 662 00:39:45,291 --> 00:39:46,792 thank you very much. 663 00:39:46,834 --> 00:39:48,834 - This is what goes on in the town, 664 00:39:48,875 --> 00:39:54,542 it's nothin' but greed, abuse of power, and corruption. 665 00:39:54,583 --> 00:39:56,583 - That's right. 666 00:39:56,625 --> 00:39:58,375 - And until we get rid of some of these people, 667 00:39:58,417 --> 00:40:00,417 it'll always be there. 668 00:40:05,709 --> 00:40:07,458 When did I create the sign? 669 00:40:07,500 --> 00:40:09,166 Just about a week before they was even havin' 670 00:40:09,208 --> 00:40:11,709 the first meeting after Mrs. Crundwell. 671 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:13,417 And I thought it'd be appropriate. 672 00:40:15,875 --> 00:40:17,333 - And that's the way a lot of people think 673 00:40:17,375 --> 00:40:19,625 in Dixon right now, and I do. 674 00:40:19,667 --> 00:40:23,208 I changed my complete, 675 00:40:23,250 --> 00:40:26,333 what I thought of that man. 676 00:40:26,375 --> 00:40:28,583 - The city council and the mayor 677 00:40:28,625 --> 00:40:31,250 all should have known what was going on. 678 00:40:31,291 --> 00:40:33,375 They should've known about the fraud, 679 00:40:33,417 --> 00:40:35,333 they should've been looking for it. 680 00:40:35,375 --> 00:40:38,792 They were all complacent in their duties 681 00:40:38,834 --> 00:40:41,500 to just let her do everything. 682 00:40:41,542 --> 00:40:43,875 - One person, or one event, does not define Dixon. 683 00:40:43,917 --> 00:40:46,667 - People are very angry and rightfully so. 684 00:40:46,709 --> 00:40:49,834 Lot of it's directed at probably people that governed. 685 00:40:49,875 --> 00:40:53,166 And that's kind of unfortunate, because those people, 686 00:40:53,208 --> 00:40:55,375 they did the best they could with what they had. 687 00:40:56,959 --> 00:40:59,583 - Officials in Sterling figured out 688 00:40:59,625 --> 00:41:01,917 there was something wrong. 689 00:41:01,959 --> 00:41:05,667 How in god's name did another city 690 00:41:05,709 --> 00:41:08,375 see the red flags and this city didn't? 691 00:41:10,458 --> 00:41:12,875 - We have to change our form of government 692 00:41:12,917 --> 00:41:15,083 to something that is gonna work, that's more professional, 693 00:41:15,125 --> 00:41:18,041 that's more modern day, and that's at least capable 694 00:41:18,083 --> 00:41:20,083 of handling the problems we have before us. 695 00:41:20,125 --> 00:41:21,250 I think we need to-- 696 00:41:21,291 --> 00:41:23,041 - So, I was vilified. 697 00:41:23,083 --> 00:41:26,625 We would have the same people comin' up here, 698 00:41:26,667 --> 00:41:30,250 meeting after meeting, and suggesting that, 699 00:41:30,291 --> 00:41:33,083 and asking for my resignation. 700 00:41:33,125 --> 00:41:35,000 I mean there was nothing that ever 701 00:41:35,041 --> 00:41:39,542 prepared me for this kind of an experience. 702 00:41:41,667 --> 00:41:46,000 - It hurt him, shocked him, the way that the anger was, 703 00:41:46,041 --> 00:41:48,917 you know especially against him and the city council. 704 00:41:48,959 --> 00:41:51,917 You know, he felt responsibility for it, 705 00:41:51,959 --> 00:41:54,083 it was just the fact that because he was the mayor 706 00:41:54,125 --> 00:41:56,917 and it went down on his watch. 707 00:41:56,959 --> 00:41:59,417 - My question today is to the auditors. 708 00:41:59,458 --> 00:42:03,083 Why did you never tell the mayor and the council 709 00:42:03,125 --> 00:42:06,417 that our internal auditing were completely lacking 710 00:42:06,458 --> 00:42:08,750 and needed to be changed? 711 00:42:08,792 --> 00:42:10,625 - People would often ask questions about, 712 00:42:10,667 --> 00:42:13,333 why are these revenues so small? 713 00:42:13,375 --> 00:42:15,000 How come we haven't gotten this money? 714 00:42:15,041 --> 00:42:16,583 So on and so on. 715 00:42:16,625 --> 00:42:18,333 But no one ever followed up on that. 716 00:42:18,375 --> 00:42:21,041 Whatever Miss Crundwell told them, 717 00:42:21,083 --> 00:42:23,125 they swallowed it, hook, line, and sinker. 718 00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:41,083 - So who really is responsible for finding fraud? 719 00:42:41,125 --> 00:42:43,834 Is it the auditors who did the annual audit for the town? 720 00:42:43,875 --> 00:42:47,000 Is it the bank where the city held their bank accounts? 721 00:42:47,041 --> 00:42:50,333 Is it the city council, who ran the town? 722 00:42:50,375 --> 00:42:52,208 Or is it the residents? 723 00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,417 - The local media felt all along that 724 00:43:03,458 --> 00:43:05,417 the commission form of government 725 00:43:05,458 --> 00:43:07,917 was the sole reason for this whole embezzlement. 726 00:43:09,792 --> 00:43:12,417 I mean, we are the outstanding community around here. 727 00:43:12,458 --> 00:43:15,375 And it got here with this form of government that we've got. 728 00:43:18,083 --> 00:43:22,375 - I mean essentially you have a handful of city leaders, 729 00:43:22,417 --> 00:43:25,375 who have their own little fiefdoms, 730 00:43:25,417 --> 00:43:27,375 don't really communicate a lot with each other. 731 00:43:27,417 --> 00:43:30,250 But more importantly, they're part time jobs 732 00:43:30,291 --> 00:43:32,083 that pay a pittance. 733 00:43:32,125 --> 00:43:34,792 All of them actually, they have other jobs. 734 00:43:34,834 --> 00:43:38,083 For instance, one of the city officials owned a 735 00:43:38,125 --> 00:43:42,583 carpet store, another was a high school business teacher. 736 00:43:42,625 --> 00:43:45,417 I mean these are the people who are responsible for 737 00:43:45,458 --> 00:43:47,542 keeping track of what's going on. 738 00:43:49,583 --> 00:43:52,375 - There was not the oversight from a governing board 739 00:43:52,417 --> 00:43:57,083 perspective, really diving down and diving deep into 740 00:43:57,125 --> 00:43:59,208 what the operating budget looked like, 741 00:43:59,250 --> 00:44:01,083 how the dollars were being allocated, 742 00:44:01,125 --> 00:44:04,750 be it to public safety, capital projects, 743 00:44:04,792 --> 00:44:07,375 or any of the other public services. 744 00:44:21,458 --> 00:44:23,417 - In reporting this story I found that 745 00:44:23,458 --> 00:44:27,875 she had made the books and the numbers so complex 746 00:44:27,917 --> 00:44:32,417 and convoluted that, I mean, none of the town officials 747 00:44:32,458 --> 00:44:35,000 knew what these numbers meant. 748 00:44:35,041 --> 00:44:38,083 So, when they had a question, and maybe sometimes 749 00:44:38,125 --> 00:44:41,041 they would think, this looks a little odd, 750 00:44:41,083 --> 00:44:42,667 someone else would say, well go to Rita, 751 00:44:42,709 --> 00:44:45,417 she'll explain it to you. 752 00:44:45,458 --> 00:44:49,834 - To trust a single person for any financial function 753 00:44:49,875 --> 00:44:53,917 is a mistake, so you don't trust one person 754 00:44:53,959 --> 00:44:58,000 to be in charge of the credit card, and its payments. 755 00:44:58,041 --> 00:45:00,417 You don't trust one person to be in charge 756 00:45:00,458 --> 00:45:03,417 of the water billing, collecting the money, billing 757 00:45:03,458 --> 00:45:07,333 the money, you have to separate out these functions. 758 00:45:10,417 --> 00:45:13,917 Dixon's case was an extreme example of this because, 759 00:45:13,959 --> 00:45:16,250 they had, not only did they not separate 760 00:45:16,291 --> 00:45:18,542 individual functions among multiple people, 761 00:45:18,583 --> 00:45:23,250 they didn't separate any functions among any people. 762 00:45:27,083 --> 00:45:30,041 - Rita picked up the mail, made deposits, 763 00:45:30,083 --> 00:45:32,041 updated the journals and ledgers, 764 00:45:32,083 --> 00:45:35,333 prepared and signed checks, moved investment monies, 765 00:45:35,375 --> 00:45:37,458 and reconciled the bank accounts. 766 00:45:37,500 --> 00:45:41,208 There was very little segregation of duties 767 00:45:41,250 --> 00:45:43,083 Rita literally did it all. 768 00:45:48,125 --> 00:45:51,375 - While Rita was out of town, she would have 769 00:45:51,417 --> 00:45:54,208 an employee pick up the mail for her, 770 00:45:54,250 --> 00:45:56,375 to keep for her when she got back. 771 00:45:56,417 --> 00:45:59,333 And I know that statement was one of them. 772 00:45:59,375 --> 00:46:02,375 - There's been no policies in place all these years. 773 00:46:02,417 --> 00:46:06,083 Maybe Rita was smarter than all of us because she knew 774 00:46:06,125 --> 00:46:08,375 there were no policies in place. 775 00:46:26,083 --> 00:46:28,375 - It was clear to me that the city of Dixon was a victim, 776 00:46:28,417 --> 00:46:30,083 and I thought I could make a difference 777 00:46:30,125 --> 00:46:32,333 and help the city and the taxpayers out. 778 00:46:42,333 --> 00:46:44,166 - Do I believe the city of Dixon 779 00:46:44,208 --> 00:46:47,583 had any responsibility themselves to identify the fraud 780 00:46:47,625 --> 00:46:49,375 that was committed by Rita Crundwell, 781 00:46:49,417 --> 00:46:51,333 and I think unequivocally the answer is no. 782 00:46:53,500 --> 00:46:56,208 - I did not meet Rita Crundwell when I was 783 00:46:56,250 --> 00:46:59,417 prosecuting this case, and nor have I ever met her. 784 00:46:59,458 --> 00:47:01,417 For purposes of my prosecuting this case 785 00:47:01,458 --> 00:47:03,417 for the city of Dixon she was for all 786 00:47:03,458 --> 00:47:06,000 intents and purposes, irrelevant. 787 00:47:06,041 --> 00:47:09,208 The issue was, who was responsible for identifying 788 00:47:09,250 --> 00:47:11,375 the fact that she was stealing the money. 789 00:47:16,417 --> 00:47:20,417 - Rita developed too cozy of a relationship 790 00:47:20,458 --> 00:47:24,250 with so many people that were involved in this thing. 791 00:47:24,291 --> 00:47:27,458 She directed the audit, I mean, she was the one that really, 792 00:47:27,500 --> 00:47:31,375 in my mind, selected Clifton to continue 793 00:47:31,417 --> 00:47:33,333 to do the auditing and so forth. 794 00:47:35,458 --> 00:47:37,375 - Clifton is a top 10 public accounting firm 795 00:47:37,417 --> 00:47:39,375 in the United States. 796 00:47:39,417 --> 00:47:42,959 The city of Dixon was a client of Clifton's local office. 797 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,375 They were hired by the city to do the annual audit. 798 00:47:45,417 --> 00:47:46,959 And in addition, they were involved 799 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,417 in the city's day-to-day operations. 800 00:47:51,375 --> 00:47:54,291 - They made a conscious intentional decision to get all 801 00:47:54,333 --> 00:47:57,750 of the money for every financial aspect of that city. 802 00:47:57,792 --> 00:48:00,417 They made that decision, they were there. 803 00:48:00,458 --> 00:48:02,667 Either Clifton was at the city hall, 804 00:48:02,709 --> 00:48:04,709 or the city hall people were dropping 805 00:48:04,750 --> 00:48:07,333 financial documents off there at least once a day. 806 00:48:09,166 --> 00:48:11,667 - What has come to light in the depositions 807 00:48:11,709 --> 00:48:15,208 of one of the partners at Clifton, 808 00:48:15,250 --> 00:48:18,500 he testified that they did all the accounts payable, 809 00:48:18,542 --> 00:48:21,333 they actually cut checks, they did payroll, 810 00:48:21,375 --> 00:48:24,125 they did other consulting services. 811 00:48:24,166 --> 00:48:27,291 Aside from the fact that they will have to defend 812 00:48:27,333 --> 00:48:29,333 against the accusation that they should've discovered 813 00:48:29,375 --> 00:48:32,625 this fraud, I think they have a bigger issue to defend, 814 00:48:32,667 --> 00:48:35,917 and that is, an independence issue. 815 00:48:39,417 --> 00:48:40,917 - An auditor provides an opinion 816 00:48:40,959 --> 00:48:42,792 on a company's financial statements, 817 00:48:42,834 --> 00:48:45,875 similar to how a food critic provides a review 818 00:48:45,917 --> 00:48:48,625 of the dining experience at a restaurant. 819 00:48:48,667 --> 00:48:51,625 An auditor reviews the accuracy of the financial statements, 820 00:48:51,667 --> 00:48:54,500 similar to the way in which a food critic 821 00:48:54,542 --> 00:48:57,083 provides a thoughtful, unbiased review 822 00:48:57,125 --> 00:49:00,000 about the food at a restaurant. 823 00:49:00,041 --> 00:49:01,875 Auditors are not responsible for developing 824 00:49:01,917 --> 00:49:04,750 the financial statements on the company's behalf, 825 00:49:04,792 --> 00:49:07,166 just like a food critic is not responsible 826 00:49:07,208 --> 00:49:09,583 for preparing the restaurant's meal. 827 00:49:09,625 --> 00:49:11,542 People rely on the opinion of auditors 828 00:49:11,583 --> 00:49:13,375 to make business decisions, 829 00:49:13,417 --> 00:49:15,834 just like people rely on the food critics review 830 00:49:15,875 --> 00:49:19,125 to decide whether to eat at a restaurant. 831 00:49:19,166 --> 00:49:21,417 Now imagine if the food critic was the one 832 00:49:21,458 --> 00:49:24,750 who prepared the food, then ate the food, 833 00:49:24,792 --> 00:49:27,625 and then published a review of that same restaurant 834 00:49:27,667 --> 00:49:29,375 based on that meal. 835 00:49:29,417 --> 00:49:31,792 Seems like a huge conflict, right? 836 00:49:31,834 --> 00:49:33,250 Well, it is. 837 00:49:35,166 --> 00:49:37,834 - Exactly, but in this case, because of Clifton, 838 00:49:37,875 --> 00:49:41,166 Larson's, Allen's own intentional 839 00:49:41,208 --> 00:49:44,291 they themselves chose to formulate and create 840 00:49:44,333 --> 00:49:47,250 the financial statements, which they themselves chose 841 00:49:47,291 --> 00:49:49,625 to charge again to audit. 842 00:49:49,667 --> 00:49:51,959 They were looking at their own work. 843 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:55,750 It's asking someone to prepare a document, 844 00:49:55,792 --> 00:49:58,166 and then asking the same individual, and getting paid 845 00:49:58,208 --> 00:50:00,375 to do so, and then asking the same individual 846 00:50:00,417 --> 00:50:01,750 to say, is your document right? 847 00:50:06,709 --> 00:50:08,709 - The city argued that the auditors knew, 848 00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:11,458 or should have known, that the invoices were phony. 849 00:50:13,125 --> 00:50:15,583 - Here's a proper invoice from the 850 00:50:15,625 --> 00:50:17,583 Illinois Department of Transportation. 851 00:50:17,625 --> 00:50:20,542 This is the way they're suppose to look. 852 00:50:22,458 --> 00:50:26,250 And that's the invoice from Rita Crundwell. 853 00:50:26,291 --> 00:50:28,959 And a nine year old could identify 854 00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:31,500 the difference between those. 855 00:50:31,542 --> 00:50:36,542 The field audit team looked at these false invoices 856 00:50:36,583 --> 00:50:39,375 and failed to do anything at all 857 00:50:39,417 --> 00:50:41,458 that they were taught in accounting school to follow up. 858 00:50:41,500 --> 00:50:44,333 Whether it be, talk to the city engineer, 859 00:50:44,375 --> 00:50:46,625 make a phone call to Springfield, 860 00:50:46,667 --> 00:50:49,917 go out and look at these clearly fictitious projects, 861 00:50:49,959 --> 00:50:52,417 any of which would have resulted in 862 00:50:52,458 --> 00:50:55,041 a discovery of the theft. 863 00:50:55,083 --> 00:50:56,959 I deposed a number of the individuals 864 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,417 that were responsible for the field audit work, 865 00:50:59,458 --> 00:51:01,834 and the actual generation of the work papers for Clifton 866 00:51:01,875 --> 00:51:03,875 when they did the work for the city of Dixon. 867 00:51:05,542 --> 00:51:06,917 - If at any point in time 868 00:51:06,959 --> 00:51:08,583 Clifton was doing the audit, 869 00:51:08,625 --> 00:51:10,458 and they would've walked down the hallway 870 00:51:10,500 --> 00:51:12,834 to ask a simple question of the city engineer, 871 00:51:14,583 --> 00:51:17,250 excuse me, can you tell me about this project? 872 00:51:17,291 --> 00:51:19,250 Do you agree the subsequent events 873 00:51:19,291 --> 00:51:22,208 would have identified Rita's theft? 874 00:51:22,250 --> 00:51:24,417 - Yes. 875 00:51:24,458 --> 00:51:26,500 - Do you agree with me 876 00:51:26,542 --> 00:51:29,125 had that been done, the fraud would have been identified 877 00:51:29,166 --> 00:51:30,583 and Rita would've been arrested? 878 00:51:32,125 --> 00:51:33,208 - Yes. 879 00:51:35,709 --> 00:51:39,208 - There was 179, as we counted, of those false invoices 880 00:51:39,250 --> 00:51:42,417 and they failed to react to any one of them. 881 00:51:42,458 --> 00:51:44,166 They missed it, over and over 882 00:51:44,208 --> 00:51:45,583 and over again, they missed it. 883 00:51:50,917 --> 00:51:53,625 The issue is, you know, should someone 884 00:51:53,667 --> 00:51:56,500 have known about that RSCDA account. 885 00:51:58,041 --> 00:51:59,625 Do we have any proof that Clifton 886 00:51:59,667 --> 00:52:02,417 had knowledge of the RSCDA account? 887 00:52:02,458 --> 00:52:04,875 And according to them, in their own depositions, 888 00:52:04,917 --> 00:52:06,709 the answer to that question is yes. 889 00:52:08,875 --> 00:52:11,583 They were given bank confirmations on 890 00:52:11,625 --> 00:52:15,583 disclosing the RSCDA account, and they did nothing. 891 00:52:24,625 --> 00:52:29,041 I deposed both of the current, as well as the former 892 00:52:29,083 --> 00:52:31,875 head of the Clifton office in Dixon. 893 00:52:31,917 --> 00:52:34,875 Both of those individuals were also the key people involved 894 00:52:34,917 --> 00:52:38,625 every year in performing the work for 895 00:52:38,667 --> 00:52:42,166 Rita Crundwell's personal income tax returns. 896 00:52:45,750 --> 00:52:48,417 - Is it unusual that somebody would have 897 00:52:48,458 --> 00:52:52,500 over $300,000 cash flow out, 898 00:52:52,542 --> 00:52:55,834 without being explained by their tax returns? 899 00:52:55,875 --> 00:52:59,166 - Well, it would be unusual. 900 00:52:59,208 --> 00:53:05,375 - In 2005, there's over $300,000 that Clifton, 901 00:53:05,417 --> 00:53:08,083 in preparing Rita Crundwell's tax returns 902 00:53:08,125 --> 00:53:11,375 identifies as money coming in to Rita Crundwell 903 00:53:11,417 --> 00:53:13,500 for which there's no documentation. 904 00:53:13,542 --> 00:53:16,083 All a city employee who makes 905 00:53:16,125 --> 00:53:17,834 80 some thousand dollars a year. 906 00:53:19,917 --> 00:53:21,625 - Other than just writing it down 907 00:53:21,667 --> 00:53:23,875 and claiming it, that's the most that she had 908 00:53:23,917 --> 00:53:26,834 in terms of documentation, correct? 909 00:53:26,875 --> 00:53:28,583 - Correct. 910 00:53:28,625 --> 00:53:29,917 - You never asked her 911 00:53:29,959 --> 00:53:32,250 for anything further, true? 912 00:53:32,291 --> 00:53:33,208 - True. 913 00:53:35,834 --> 00:53:39,917 - How do you explain that at times 914 00:53:39,959 --> 00:53:42,709 they were preparing a financial statement, 915 00:53:42,750 --> 00:53:46,709 which within the financial statement that Clifton prepared, 916 00:53:46,750 --> 00:53:49,583 demonstrated that the city was losing 917 00:53:49,625 --> 00:53:51,709 millions and millions of dollars? 918 00:53:51,750 --> 00:53:55,333 When the person, who is at the epicenter, 919 00:53:55,375 --> 00:53:58,583 which they know because they're doing the annual audit, 920 00:53:58,625 --> 00:54:00,083 the epicenter of the city of Dixon 921 00:54:00,125 --> 00:54:02,375 is the treasurer/comptroller. 922 00:54:09,625 --> 00:54:14,250 - Unexplained income on a tax return is always a problem. 923 00:54:14,291 --> 00:54:18,542 And had the tax preparer asked a couple of more questions, 924 00:54:18,583 --> 00:54:20,792 it would have led that preparer to know 925 00:54:20,834 --> 00:54:22,583 that the unexplained income 926 00:54:22,625 --> 00:54:25,583 was coming from the embezzled money. 927 00:54:25,625 --> 00:54:29,875 - If the auditors are not to be held responsible for 928 00:54:29,917 --> 00:54:33,542 identifying the theft of millions and millions 929 00:54:33,583 --> 00:54:36,542 of dollars every year, why have 'em in the first place? 930 00:54:36,583 --> 00:54:39,583 - I think most people are under the impression 931 00:54:39,625 --> 00:54:43,417 that these audits are going to uncover 932 00:54:43,458 --> 00:54:46,583 graft and corruption and embezzlement, apparently 933 00:54:46,624 --> 00:54:46,665 not. 934 00:54:51,291 --> 00:54:54,125 - Auditors are not responsible for finding fraud, 935 00:54:54,166 --> 00:54:55,834 nor should they be. 936 00:54:55,875 --> 00:54:59,959 They became reporting and disclosing police, 937 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,125 making sure that the corporations, 938 00:55:03,166 --> 00:55:07,041 in particular, were following the appropriate regulations. 939 00:55:07,083 --> 00:55:09,542 Am I defending these particular auditors, no. 940 00:55:11,875 --> 00:55:14,208 - I just did not see, in light of the 941 00:55:14,250 --> 00:55:18,208 overwhelming negligence of CliftonLarsonAllen's employees, 942 00:55:18,250 --> 00:55:20,750 which came out in these depositions on 943 00:55:20,792 --> 00:55:23,333 I just did not see how they could win the case 944 00:55:23,375 --> 00:55:25,333 in front of a Lee County jury. 945 00:55:37,375 --> 00:55:39,000 - Most frauds are discovered by a tip 946 00:55:39,041 --> 00:55:41,542 from a whistle blower, and not from an audit. 947 00:55:43,375 --> 00:55:45,542 So had Kathe Swanson not discovered this fraud, 948 00:55:45,583 --> 00:55:47,542 and then reported it to Mayor Burke, 949 00:55:47,583 --> 00:55:50,083 there's a chance that this would've never been discovered, 950 00:55:50,125 --> 00:55:51,917 and Rita would've gotten away with it. 951 00:55:55,750 --> 00:55:57,125 - Yes, um-hm. 952 00:56:01,125 --> 00:56:04,583 - Being a whistle blower is, it's very stressful but, 953 00:56:04,625 --> 00:56:06,542 you know, it's all in how you're brought up. 954 00:56:06,583 --> 00:56:09,125 My parents taught me, you don't take something 955 00:56:09,166 --> 00:56:11,166 that doesn't belong to you. 956 00:56:11,208 --> 00:56:15,125 And if you see something wrong, say something, so. 957 00:56:21,041 --> 00:56:25,125 - My only regret is, is that I didn't find out sooner. 958 00:56:35,125 --> 00:56:36,750 - Fifth Third Bank was also named 959 00:56:36,792 --> 00:56:39,166 in the civil complaint. 960 00:56:39,208 --> 00:56:41,542 Remember, the city of Dixon held six legitimate 961 00:56:41,583 --> 00:56:45,583 city accounts, along with her secret account, 962 00:56:45,625 --> 00:56:48,041 which she used to funnel money out of the city. 963 00:56:50,667 --> 00:56:53,458 - I think from the banking side, 964 00:56:53,500 --> 00:56:54,959 I think it was shocking that they opened 965 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,291 the account the way that they did. 966 00:57:00,542 --> 00:57:03,959 According to them it was a city of Dixon account, 967 00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,667 and for them to see, on a regular basis, 968 00:57:07,709 --> 00:57:10,125 so many personal transactions, 969 00:57:10,166 --> 00:57:14,291 from jewelry to spas to equestrian activities. 970 00:57:14,333 --> 00:57:16,542 Many of the checks that she was depositing 971 00:57:16,583 --> 00:57:20,625 into this bogus account were made out to Treasurer. 972 00:57:20,667 --> 00:57:23,208 That type of ambiguity is known within the banking industry 973 00:57:23,250 --> 00:57:26,625 as something that you should not allow to occur. 974 00:57:26,667 --> 00:57:28,208 Especially in the amounts of the money 975 00:57:28,250 --> 00:57:29,500 that she was negotiating. 976 00:57:33,500 --> 00:57:36,959 I took the deposition of one of the Fifth Third Bank 977 00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:40,375 former employees, who happened also to be 978 00:57:40,417 --> 00:57:43,709 the bank branch manager when a lot of the most 979 00:57:43,750 --> 00:57:47,542 serious transactions that Rita had 980 00:57:47,583 --> 00:57:50,083 with Fifth Third Bank, transpired. 981 00:57:53,583 --> 00:57:54,875 - If you were a teller 982 00:57:54,917 --> 00:57:56,709 at a bank branch here in Dixon 983 00:57:56,750 --> 00:57:58,834 and somebody walked up to you and said, 984 00:57:58,875 --> 00:58:00,542 I'm going to negotiate a check 985 00:58:00,583 --> 00:58:03,083 for hundreds of thousands of dollars, 986 00:58:03,125 --> 00:58:05,792 and it just says, payee treasurer, 987 00:58:05,834 --> 00:58:07,792 do you feel comfortable that the check 988 00:58:07,834 --> 00:58:10,500 can be negotiated as written? 989 00:58:10,542 --> 00:58:11,625 - Based on my experience, 990 00:58:11,667 --> 00:58:13,625 it would raise caution. 991 00:58:13,667 --> 00:58:15,834 - And what's the basis of that opinion? 992 00:58:15,875 --> 00:58:17,709 - The dollar amount, number one. 993 00:58:17,750 --> 00:58:20,041 Typically higher dollar amounts are reviewed closer. 994 00:58:22,917 --> 00:58:24,667 - I was able to obtain a lot of admissions 995 00:58:24,709 --> 00:58:26,959 on behalf of Fifth Third Bank that I thought 996 00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:29,375 would be very damaging for Fifth Third Bank 997 00:58:29,417 --> 00:58:31,709 should we go to trial. 998 00:58:31,750 --> 00:58:33,792 - The case never went to trial. 999 00:58:37,583 --> 00:58:41,333 - No, I wasn't surprised by the settlement amount 1000 00:58:41,375 --> 00:58:43,875 because I in my heart truly believe 1001 00:58:43,917 --> 00:58:47,542 that the fault lied with Clifton, 1002 00:58:47,583 --> 00:58:50,583 the Fifth Third Bank, and one way or another 1003 00:58:50,625 --> 00:58:52,542 we were gonna get that money for the city, 1004 00:58:52,583 --> 00:58:54,333 whether it be by trial or settlement. 1005 00:59:03,583 --> 00:59:05,583 - And we have to become ACA compliant right now 1006 00:59:05,625 --> 00:59:09,333 if we go to that 2 1/2%, if we don't wait until January. 1007 00:59:09,375 --> 00:59:10,500 - Correct. 1008 00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:16,750 - Right. 1009 00:59:19,625 --> 00:59:23,542 - No, actually taking the job after she was here, 1010 00:59:23,583 --> 00:59:26,792 my first thought was, well, 1011 00:59:26,834 --> 00:59:28,750 really, how could I do any worse? 1012 00:59:28,792 --> 00:59:32,667 You know, I mean it was like, wow. 1013 00:59:32,709 --> 00:59:35,542 My plan was, in addition to this, 1014 00:59:35,583 --> 00:59:39,750 was to write up those raises for the non-union people. 1015 00:59:39,792 --> 00:59:41,250 And send something-- 1016 00:59:41,291 --> 00:59:43,250 The idea of coming in and creating 1017 00:59:43,291 --> 00:59:45,208 a whole new system of accounting, 1018 00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:48,542 and restructuring it all, just seemed really interesting 1019 00:59:48,583 --> 00:59:51,542 and a challenge that I wanted to do. 1020 00:59:51,583 --> 00:59:53,750 I actually changed about everybody's job duty 1021 00:59:53,792 --> 00:59:55,542 and I physically relocated them 1022 00:59:55,583 --> 00:59:57,583 in a lot of times into different locations, 1023 00:59:57,625 --> 01:00:00,625 just so that we would all have a view that 1024 01:00:00,667 --> 01:00:02,625 things are gonna be done differently here. 1025 01:00:12,417 --> 01:00:15,583 - Our office dynamics have definitely changed. 1026 01:00:15,625 --> 01:00:18,166 My duties have lessened. 1027 01:00:18,208 --> 01:00:22,083 I'm just the city clerk now, I don't do the payroll. 1028 01:00:22,125 --> 01:00:24,500 I think it's more of a professional place. 1029 01:00:26,583 --> 01:00:30,500 I still harbor a lot of bad feelings towards Rita. 1030 01:00:32,500 --> 01:00:35,542 I can't help but feel that way. 1031 01:00:35,583 --> 01:00:40,542 I don't think I feel any more sorry for her. 1032 01:00:40,583 --> 01:00:42,417 I think she's where she belongs. 1033 01:00:44,583 --> 01:00:47,375 I look back at it sometimes and I think, 1034 01:00:47,417 --> 01:00:48,750 how did it all come about? 1035 01:00:51,417 --> 01:00:52,667 Why was she caught? 1036 01:00:56,166 --> 01:00:58,542 And that I can't wrap my mind around, 1037 01:00:58,583 --> 01:01:00,500 you know, why that day? 1038 01:01:03,208 --> 01:01:05,333 I'm sure, you know, to save the city. 1039 01:01:08,625 --> 01:01:13,166 - I don't believe that how Dixon's finances were structured 1040 01:01:13,208 --> 01:01:16,542 is probably very different from many, 1041 01:01:16,583 --> 01:01:19,417 maybe even a majority, of other small towns 1042 01:01:19,458 --> 01:01:20,792 all across the United States. 1043 01:01:23,041 --> 01:01:25,500 I would also guess that there's 1044 01:01:25,542 --> 01:01:28,500 a tremendous amount of theft out there. 1045 01:01:28,542 --> 01:01:31,834 What Rita did isn't particularly unique. 1046 01:01:31,875 --> 01:01:33,333 The only thing that makes her unique 1047 01:01:33,375 --> 01:01:35,375 is the dollar amount that she took. 1048 01:01:35,417 --> 01:01:38,917 What she did is very, very common, and could be done by 1049 01:01:38,959 --> 01:01:42,458 almost anybody in any size organization. 1050 01:01:45,750 --> 01:01:47,041 - Councilman Tucker. - Aye. 1051 01:01:47,083 --> 01:01:48,583 - Councilman Venier. - Yes. 1052 01:01:48,625 --> 01:01:49,917 - Councilman Bishop. - Aye. 1053 01:01:49,959 --> 01:01:53,542 - Councilman Barnes. - Yes. 1054 01:01:53,583 --> 01:01:57,000 - The citizens have voted in a new form of government. 1055 01:01:58,583 --> 01:02:01,417 We'll become a managerial form. 1056 01:02:01,458 --> 01:02:03,500 The role of the commissioners from being kind of 1057 01:02:03,542 --> 01:02:08,000 an everyday executive authority over different departments, 1058 01:02:08,041 --> 01:02:10,917 now the city manager will have the executive authority 1059 01:02:10,959 --> 01:02:12,625 over the different departments, 1060 01:02:12,667 --> 01:02:15,417 and the council will just be doing policy 1061 01:02:15,458 --> 01:02:18,583 as opposed to being involved on a more of day-to-day basis. 1062 01:02:18,625 --> 01:02:20,709 - Baskets are held on by brackets on the-- 1063 01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:23,917 The city needed some fresh blood, some fresh ideas, 1064 01:02:23,959 --> 01:02:26,542 and we got five new councilmen 1065 01:02:26,583 --> 01:02:29,542 that were elected back in April. 1066 01:02:29,583 --> 01:02:31,542 - I recognize that when you guys come in, 1067 01:02:31,583 --> 01:02:33,750 you had a lot of extra work to do. 1068 01:02:33,792 --> 01:02:36,041 But, your ears have always been open to us, 1069 01:02:36,083 --> 01:02:38,083 Paul's door's always been open to us, 1070 01:02:38,125 --> 01:02:41,166 I appreciate the fair treatment, I thank all of you. 1071 01:02:41,208 --> 01:02:42,500 And the rest of the people-- 1072 01:02:42,542 --> 01:02:44,125 - We now have put in 1073 01:02:44,166 --> 01:02:47,500 multiple forms of fraud protection. 1074 01:02:47,542 --> 01:02:49,500 Multiple people have to sign checks. 1075 01:02:49,542 --> 01:02:50,959 Multiple people have to approve 1076 01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:53,333 the payments in the first place. 1077 01:02:55,375 --> 01:02:58,834 - I think other small towns should consider, 1078 01:02:58,875 --> 01:03:03,083 not necessarily going out and hiring a lot more people, 1079 01:03:03,125 --> 01:03:06,458 but the people that you have involved, 1080 01:03:06,500 --> 01:03:08,625 your council members, your elected officials, 1081 01:03:08,667 --> 01:03:12,709 even other people who are employed there, 1082 01:03:12,750 --> 01:03:16,083 I think it would behoove them to really actually understand 1083 01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:19,000 accounting, understand financial statements, 1084 01:03:19,041 --> 01:03:20,834 so that they can look at them 1085 01:03:20,875 --> 01:03:22,834 and read the story that they tell. 1086 01:03:22,875 --> 01:03:27,166 Financial statements are really out there to tell a story. 1087 01:03:27,208 --> 01:03:29,875 And if you can learn to read that story, 1088 01:03:29,917 --> 01:03:34,625 you might be able to avoid anybody walking away from this. 1089 01:03:36,250 --> 01:03:37,667 - Hey, were you able to get anything 1090 01:03:37,709 --> 01:03:40,083 as far as any cost estimate or-- 1091 01:03:40,125 --> 01:03:42,041 - Dixon Mayor Jim Burke makes 1092 01:03:42,083 --> 01:03:44,250 last minute phone calls on Monday. 1093 01:03:44,291 --> 01:03:46,250 - If it's possible to get a requisition 1094 01:03:46,291 --> 01:03:48,458 before I leave the office today. 1095 01:03:48,500 --> 01:03:49,750 - Okay. 1096 01:03:49,792 --> 01:03:52,000 - 5:30 I'll be all finished. 1097 01:03:52,041 --> 01:03:55,667 I really, I'm disappointed I'm not running again. 1098 01:03:55,709 --> 01:04:00,041 I think the foundation was there to get reelected. 1099 01:04:00,083 --> 01:04:02,709 - This marks his final day at city hall. 1100 01:04:02,750 --> 01:04:05,375 He's completing 16 years as mayor. 1101 01:04:07,458 --> 01:04:09,041 - I'm gonna miss it, I hate to go, 1102 01:04:09,083 --> 01:04:10,875 but I know it's time to do this. 1103 01:04:25,750 --> 01:04:28,667 - Here we have intermediate storage, 1104 01:04:28,709 --> 01:04:30,709 so for all of the paperwork that isn't necessarily 1105 01:04:30,750 --> 01:04:34,083 from my administration, but we still want close by. 1106 01:04:34,125 --> 01:04:37,417 Old filings and stuff, that's kept right here. 1107 01:04:37,458 --> 01:04:40,125 Since electronic records are relatively newer, 1108 01:04:40,166 --> 01:04:41,959 that's one of the things that was interesting 1109 01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:43,625 about the Crundwell situation, 'cause it took place 1110 01:04:43,667 --> 01:04:45,625 over 20 years and she was essentially 1111 01:04:45,667 --> 01:04:47,792 the master financial bookkeeper. 1112 01:04:47,834 --> 01:04:50,291 So you're trying to put together her work 1113 01:04:50,333 --> 01:04:51,875 during that whole situation, that's one of the challenges 1114 01:04:51,917 --> 01:04:53,709 our new finance director faced. 1115 01:04:55,583 --> 01:04:57,500 - She did keep some pretty good details, 1116 01:04:57,542 --> 01:04:59,375 which helped with a lot of things, 1117 01:04:59,417 --> 01:05:01,667 both in terms of figuring out what happened 1118 01:05:01,709 --> 01:05:04,583 from the FBI side, and in our case, putting together 1119 01:05:04,625 --> 01:05:07,166 the finances and figuring out which funds she took from. 1120 01:05:07,208 --> 01:05:09,375 So whatever those funds were originally supposed to be 1121 01:05:09,417 --> 01:05:11,625 spent on, they could get their money back. 1122 01:05:13,542 --> 01:05:15,959 I was interested in running for election 1123 01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,667 basically because of the Rita Crundwell situation. 1124 01:05:20,709 --> 01:05:23,792 Because I saw what was happening in my own back yard. 1125 01:05:23,834 --> 01:05:25,667 So, congratulations, Scott. 1126 01:05:25,709 --> 01:05:27,709 People needed to trust their government again. 1127 01:05:27,750 --> 01:05:30,291 'Cause that trust was shattered by this incident, 1128 01:05:30,333 --> 01:05:31,375 absolutely shattered. 1129 01:05:35,291 --> 01:05:38,834 - We have recovered a net of about $40 million 1130 01:05:38,875 --> 01:05:44,041 from the civil lawsuit and from Rita's assets. 1131 01:05:54,333 --> 01:05:57,333 - 10 million of it right away disappeared for lawyer fees. 1132 01:05:57,375 --> 01:05:58,875 A good roughly half of that 1133 01:05:58,917 --> 01:06:01,583 immediately went to debt payment. 1134 01:06:01,625 --> 01:06:03,875 As Rita was stealing more and more money, 1135 01:06:03,917 --> 01:06:05,667 we were borrowing more and more money. 1136 01:06:05,709 --> 01:06:08,041 And one of the things I looked at is by the end, 1137 01:06:08,083 --> 01:06:11,083 the numbers were eerily close. 1138 01:06:11,125 --> 01:06:13,166 You know, she stole close to somewhere like five million 1139 01:06:13,208 --> 01:06:14,750 in the final year, and the city borrowed 1140 01:06:14,792 --> 01:06:17,041 close to about five million. 1141 01:06:17,083 --> 01:06:21,583 And then the rest has been focused mostly 1142 01:06:21,624 --> 01:06:21,665 on infrastructure. 1143 01:06:21,706 --> 01:06:24,041 We redid River Street, which was a major eyesore 1144 01:06:24,083 --> 01:06:25,875 on a major state highway that was going 1145 01:06:25,917 --> 01:06:26,959 right along the river. 1146 01:06:29,792 --> 01:06:33,959 Seventh Street washed away, there was a big gaping hole. 1147 01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:35,792 So our focus is, whatever's been left, 1148 01:06:35,834 --> 01:06:38,709 we're trying to use on what got hurt by the theft. 1149 01:06:38,750 --> 01:06:41,125 And by and large that has been infrastructure. 1150 01:06:43,709 --> 01:06:45,500 Anyone who interacts with the city of Dixon, 1151 01:06:45,542 --> 01:06:47,834 under this council and my administration, 1152 01:06:47,875 --> 01:06:49,834 whether you're an auditor, whether you're contracting 1153 01:06:49,875 --> 01:06:52,709 with the city, whether you're an employee of the city, 1154 01:06:52,750 --> 01:06:56,250 we're gonna be watchin' the money really closely. 1155 01:07:04,667 --> 01:07:08,208 - The past three years I think the town is physically, 1156 01:07:08,250 --> 01:07:10,375 financially in better shape than it's been 1157 01:07:10,417 --> 01:07:13,291 in many, many years, since I've lived here. 1158 01:07:13,333 --> 01:07:16,667 And basically because they recouped all that money 1159 01:07:16,709 --> 01:07:18,792 from the bank and the accounting firm. 1160 01:07:25,875 --> 01:07:28,792 - The people of Dixon are really, really good people. 1161 01:07:28,834 --> 01:07:31,709 I don't want people to think we're a bunch of boobs. 1162 01:07:31,750 --> 01:07:33,750 I don't want people to think we aren't interested 1163 01:07:33,792 --> 01:07:36,458 in what happens in our town. 1164 01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:40,583 It's tough when that's the image we have out there. 1165 01:07:40,625 --> 01:07:43,625 So our job has to be now not only to change things, 1166 01:07:43,667 --> 01:07:45,625 but to show people how we changed, 1167 01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:47,291 and what a good community we are. 1168 01:07:56,709 --> 01:07:58,458 - I love this city. 1169 01:07:58,500 --> 01:08:01,625 My wife and I chose to retire here, 20 years ago. 1170 01:08:05,709 --> 01:08:07,333 Ask anybody that comes here from any, 1171 01:08:07,375 --> 01:08:10,542 from miles around, we're envied by all the 1172 01:08:10,583 --> 01:08:13,250 surrounding towns around here for what Dixon has. 1173 01:08:19,250 --> 01:08:21,625 - We're trying to put the fraud behind us. 1174 01:08:23,417 --> 01:08:26,291 You never dream it's gonna happen to you. 1175 01:08:26,333 --> 01:08:27,417 But obviously it can. 1176 01:08:30,208 --> 01:08:34,625 I think our hometown boy, our President Ronald Reagan 1177 01:08:34,667 --> 01:08:37,792 said it best, "We trust, but verify." 94769

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