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- NARRATOR: They are the deadliest predators

on the planet.

this was somebody that was interested

in inflicting pain

in inflicting pain

and I was sure people had died there.

and I was sure people had died there.

- NARRATOR: No killer is as cold, cunning,

- NARRATOR: No killer is as cold, cunning,

or bloodthirsty.

or bloodthirsty.

- REPORTER: Police think there may be the remains

of 15 victims of yet another so-called serial killer.

of 15 victims of yet another so-called serial killer.

of 15 victims of yet another so-called serial killer.

of 15 victims of yet another so-called serial killer.

- NARRATOR: And they may be closer than you think.

- NARRATOR: And they may be closer than you think.

- He's the guy who's behind you in the supermarket line.

- He's the guy who's behind you in the supermarket line.

- NARRATOR: These killers don't hunt in search of food,

- NARRATOR: These killers don't hunt in search of food,

- NARRATOR: These killers don't hunt in search of food,

they pursue perverted fantasies.

they pursue perverted fantasies.

- He became sexually aroused when he watched

- He became sexually aroused when he watched

his grandmother kill a chicken.

his grandmother kill a chicken.

And he wanted to replicate that.

And he wanted to replicate that.

- NARRATOR: And they lust for power and control.

- NARRATOR: And they lust for power and control.

- The death is prolonged in such a way that

- The death is prolonged in such a way that

- The death is prolonged in such a way that

every excruciating pain that is imaginable

every excruciating pain that is imaginable

is part of the thrill.

is part of the thrill.

- NARRATOR: What creates these cold-blooded monsters?

- NARRATOR: What creates these cold-blooded monsters?

What drives their warped psyches?

What drives their warped psyches?

- There's the fusion of a sexual thought

- There's the fusion of a sexual thought

- There's the fusion of a sexual thought

with violence, and it becomes sexually arousing to them.

with violence, and it becomes sexually arousing to them.

with violence, and it becomes sexually arousing to them.

- NARRATOR: Now, rare recordings of the voices and visions

- NARRATOR: Now, rare recordings of the voices and visions

of serial killers...

of serial killers...

- I got the hand on her, got a nylon sock,

- I got the hand on her, got a nylon sock,

started strangling...

started strangling...

- NARRATOR: ...Plunges deep inside their complex

- NARRATOR: ...Plunges deep inside their complex

and twisted minds.

and twisted minds.

"Serial Psyche."

"Serial Psyche."

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- NARRATOR: March 22nd, 1999.

- NARRATOR: March 22nd, 1999.

- NARRATOR: March 22nd, 1999.

A terrified woman runs down a country road.

A terrified woman runs down a country road.

She's naked except for a metal dog collar

She's naked except for a metal dog collar

attached to a six-foot chain.

attached to a six-foot chain.

- WOMAN: [panting, crying]

- WOMAN: [panting, crying]

- NARRATOR: The young woman barges into

a double-wide trailer, screaming for help.

a double-wide trailer, screaming for help.

a double-wide trailer, screaming for help.

- WOMAN: [crying]

- NARRATOR: The homeowner calls 911.

- NARRATOR: The homeowner calls 911.

- And she told this amazing story,

- And she told this amazing story,

and the story was that she had been abducted in Albuquerque

and the story was that she had been abducted in Albuquerque

and the story was that she had been abducted in Albuquerque

and she had been chained up and kept in a sunken room

and she had been chained up and kept in a sunken room

and she had been chained up and kept in a sunken room

in this man's house, chained to a post.

in this man's house, chained to a post.

She had a bed and she had a bucket for a toilet.

She had a bed and she had a bucket for a toilet.

She had a bed and she had a bucket for a toilet.

And she had been systematically raped and tortured

And she had been systematically raped and tortured

And she had been systematically raped and tortured

over a period of three days.

over a period of three days.

- WOMAN: [crying]

- WOMAN: [crying]

- WOMAN: [crying]

- NARRATOR: The woman's name is Cynthia Vigil.

- NARRATOR: The woman's name is Cynthia Vigil.

- NARRATOR: The woman's name is Cynthia Vigil.

It's clear she has looked into the eyes of pure evil.

It's clear she has looked into the eyes of pure evil.

It's clear she has looked into the eyes of pure evil.

Cynthia directs police to the home of David Parker Ray,

Cynthia directs police to the home of David Parker Ray,

Cynthia directs police to the home of David Parker Ray,

and what they find there leads them

and what they find there leads them

to one of history's most horrifying series of crimes.

to one of history's most horrifying series of crimes.

to one of history's most horrifying series of crimes.

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- So when the sheriff's department responds

- So when the sheriff's department responds

into this house, they discover everything

into this house, they discover everything

is exactly--supports what Cindy Vigil's account

is exactly--supports what Cindy Vigil's account

of events were.

of events were.

- NARRATOR: They find a room in disarray,

- NARRATOR: They find a room in disarray,

with clear signs of a struggle.

with clear signs of a struggle.

Rich Libicer is the lead case agent

Rich Libicer is the lead case agent

for the New Mexico State Police.

for the New Mexico State Police.

- They soon went down one of the short hallways

- They soon went down one of the short hallways

into another room, which they thought was a bedroom,

into another room, which they thought was a bedroom,

into another room, which they thought was a bedroom,

and discovered, uh, all kinds of...

and discovered, uh, all kinds of...

and discovered, uh, all kinds of...

sadomasochistic sexual devices the likes of which

sadomasochistic sexual devices the likes of which

sadomasochistic sexual devices the likes of which

nobody had ever seen.

nobody had ever seen.

Um, they did not appear designed for pleasure,

Um, they did not appear designed for pleasure,

Um, they did not appear designed for pleasure,

they definitely appeared designed to inflict pain.

they definitely appeared designed to inflict pain.

They had all been modified, some had nails, uh,

They had all been modified, some had nails, uh,

melted into the plastic and bent.

melted into the plastic and bent.

melted into the plastic and bent.

- NARRATOR: Then, police find a trailer

- NARRATOR: Then, police find a trailer

next to the house, and none of them are prepared

next to the house, and none of them are prepared

next to the house, and none of them are prepared

for what they discover.

for what they discover.

- So when you walk in the trailer, um,

- So when you walk in the trailer, um,

the first thing you're gonna see is the centerpiece,

the first thing you're gonna see is the centerpiece,

the first thing you're gonna see is the centerpiece,

which is a gynecological chair.

which is a gynecological chair.

A black gynecological chair,

A black gynecological chair,

and immediately suspended above it is this rack

and immediately suspended above it is this rack

and immediately suspended above it is this rack

of harnesses and pulleys and trusses,

of harnesses and pulleys and trusses,

of harnesses and pulleys and trusses,

all of which had manacles on them.

all of which had manacles on them.

On the walls adjacent to it are devices

On the walls adjacent to it are devices

that made the devices inside the house look like

that made the devices inside the house look like

that made the devices inside the house look like

kids' toys, hese were obviously

kids' toys, hese were obviously

kids' toys, hese were obviously

painful...kind of implements.

painful...kind of implements.

painful...kind of implements.

I mean, I've never seen anything like it.

I mean, I've never seen anything like it.

The space was evil. The space was sinister and mean.

The space was evil. The space was sinister and mean.

The space was evil. The space was sinister and mean.

The space was evil. The space was sinister and mean.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray calls this $100,000 sound-proof

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray calls this $100,000 sound-proof

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray calls this $100,000 sound-proof

torture chamber his toy box.

torture chamber his toy box.

torture chamber his toy box.

- As soon as I went into the trailer and saw

- As soon as I went into the trailer and saw

- As soon as I went into the trailer and saw

what was inside the utility trailer...

what was inside the utility trailer...

I--I had two reactions.

I--I had two reactions.

First of all, I knew we were dealing

First of all, I knew we were dealing

with somebody that was very, very accomplished

with somebody that was very, very accomplished

with somebody that was very, very accomplished

at this behavior, whatever it was.

at this behavior, whatever it was.

They were obviously consumed by this,

They were obviously consumed by this,

this was very important to them,

this was very important to them,

whatever was going on in this trailer.

whatever was going on in this trailer.

Second of all, I was sure people had died there.

Second of all, I was sure people had died there.

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- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray is a serial killer.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray is a serial killer.

This label places him in the most heinous category

This label places him in the most heinous category

This label places him in the most heinous category

of these offenders.

of these offenders.

He's a psychopathic, serial sexual sadist.

He's a psychopathic, serial sexual sadist.

He's a psychopathic, serial sexual sadist.

Dr. Michael Stone and Dr. Gary Brucato

Dr. Michael Stone and Dr. Gary Brucato

are experts on violent crime,

are experts on violent crime,

including serial sexual homicide.

including serial sexual homicide.

Together they author the book, "The New Evil,

Together they author the book, "The New Evil,

Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime."

Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime."

Understanding the Emergence of Modern Violent Crime."

- David Parker Ray being an example of a charming man

- David Parker Ray being an example of a charming man

- David Parker Ray being an example of a charming man

with--would go to bars and lure, uh,

with--would go to bars and lure, uh,

either prostitutes or other women who would be

either prostitutes or other women who would be

willing to go with him for a night of drinking,

willing to go with him for a night of drinking,

willing to go with him for a night of drinking,

you know, to his house, only to then end up

you know, to his house, only to then end up

in the infamous toy box, a mobile home that he converted

in the infamous toy box, a mobile home that he converted

in the infamous toy box, a mobile home that he converted

into a torture chamber.

into a torture chamber.

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- NARRATOR: Cynthia Vigil is a 21-year-old prostitute

- NARRATOR: Cynthia Vigil is a 21-year-old prostitute

and heroin addict.

and heroin addict.

Ray knows her disappearance is unlikely

Ray knows her disappearance is unlikely

to arouse suspicion.

to arouse suspicion.

He can take his time with his victim.

He can take his time with his victim.

And she will experience unspeakable torture.

And she will experience unspeakable torture.

And she will experience unspeakable torture.

- Hanging on a wall inside the utility room

- Hanging on a wall inside the utility room

was a check list, and it was a,

was a check list, and it was a,

"How to handle a captured victim,"

"How to handle a captured victim,"

"How to handle a captured victim,"

and, uh, it had check boxes next to it,

and, uh, it had check boxes next to it,

but it was an instruction manual,

but it was an instruction manual,

how to deal with an abducted woman who was being tortured.

how to deal with an abducted woman who was being tortured.

how to deal with an abducted woman who was being tortured.

- But before the torture began, the woman might be drugged

- But before the torture began, the woman might be drugged

- But before the torture began, the woman might be drugged

and chained, hoisted to the ceiling and forced to listen

and chained, hoisted to the ceiling and forced to listen

and chained, hoisted to the ceiling and forced to listen

to an extremely long, droning tape of Ray

to an extremely long, droning tape of Ray

describing in detail all of the acts to which

describing in detail all of the acts to which

describing in detail all of the acts to which

she was going to be subjected.

she was going to be subjected.

- NARRATOR: Commander Vernon Gebreth is a world-renowned

- NARRATOR: Commander Vernon Gebreth is a world-renowned

homicide investigator.

homicide investigator.

He trains law enforcement on how to deal

He trains law enforcement on how to deal

with these extreme killers.

with these extreme killers.

Ray's introductory tape is a powerful element

Ray's introductory tape is a powerful element

Ray's introductory tape is a powerful element

in his lectures to police officers.

in his lectures to police officers.

- This is probably one of the most horrendous tapes

- This is probably one of the most horrendous tapes

- This is probably one of the most horrendous tapes

I've ever heard, and there's a few--I've heard some bad ones.

I've ever heard, and there's a few--I've heard some bad ones.

I've ever heard, and there's a few--I've heard some bad ones.

I've heard, uh, tapes of people being tortured,

I've heard, uh, tapes of people being tortured,

sexually tortured, but... this one is terrible because

sexually tortured, but... this one is terrible because

sexually tortured, but... this one is terrible because

you have that psychopathic, monotone voice talking about

you have that psychopathic, monotone voice talking about

you have that psychopathic, monotone voice talking about

you have that psychopathic, monotone voice talking about

what he's going to do to this body.

what he's going to do to this body.

And it's outrageous.

And it's outrageous.

And the tape describes what's gonna happen to them.

And the tape describes what's gonna happen to them.

And the tape describes what's gonna happen to them.

I'll play a segment.

I'll play a segment.

- DAVID PARKER RAY: Hello, there, bitch.

- DAVID PARKER RAY: Hello, there, bitch.

Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.

Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.

Are you comfortable right now? I doubt it.

Wrists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded.

Wrists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded.

Wrists and ankles chained, gagged, probably blindfolded.

You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine.

You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine.

You are disoriented and scared, too, I would imagine.

Perfectly normal under the circumstances.

Perfectly normal under the circumstances.

For a little while, at least, you need to get your [bleep]

For a little while, at least, you need to get your [bleep]

For a little while, at least, you need to get your [bleep]

together, it is very relevant to your situation.

together, it is very relevant to your situation.

together, it is very relevant to your situation.

I'm going to tell you in detail

I'm going to tell you in detail

why you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen to you,

why you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen to you,

why you have been kidnapped, what's going to happen to you,

and how long you'll be here.

and how long you'll be here.

- That is scary.

- That is scary.

You hear that voice?

You hear that voice?

He recorded that tape in July 23rd, 1993.

He recorded that tape in July 23rd, 1993.

He recorded that tape in July 23rd, 1993.

I can't imagine how many women heard that tape

I can't imagine how many women heard that tape

I can't imagine how many women heard that tape

before they were tortured and/or killed. It's horrible.

before they were tortured and/or killed. It's horrible.

before they were tortured and/or killed. It's horrible.

- NARRATOR: Ray's tape is carefully designed

- NARRATOR: Ray's tape is carefully designed

to induce maximum terror and strip away

to induce maximum terror and strip away

any last shred of power, hope, or personal identity.

any last shred of power, hope, or personal identity.

any last shred of power, hope, or personal identity.

any last shred of power, hope, or personal identity.

This is key in satisfying the sexual sadist.

This is key in satisfying the sexual sadist.

This is key in satisfying the sexual sadist.

- This is another part of that kind of meticulous behavior,

- This is another part of that kind of meticulous behavior,

but he had crafted this kind of, uh, ominous welcome

but he had crafted this kind of, uh, ominous welcome

but he had crafted this kind of, uh, ominous welcome

to them just to put them in a psychological state of terror.

to them just to put them in a psychological state of terror.

to them just to put them in a psychological state of terror.

to them just to put them in a psychological state of terror.

And I think that's a method of control.

And I think that's a method of control.

But it's also, I think, because David enjoyed

But it's also, I think, because David enjoyed

But it's also, I think, because David enjoyed

seeing fear and pain in another person.

seeing fear and pain in another person.

- Important element in a sadistic man committing

- Important element in a sadistic man committing

- Important element in a sadistic man committing

serial sexual homicide, uh, is the reveling,

serial sexual homicide, uh, is the reveling,

serial sexual homicide, uh, is the reveling,

the joyfulness in causing intense pain and humiliation

the joyfulness in causing intense pain and humiliation

the joyfulness in causing intense pain and humiliation

to another human being.

to another human being.

- The torture of that individual becomes sometimes

- The torture of that individual becomes sometimes

a means in and of itself, the death is prolonged

a means in and of itself, the death is prolonged

a means in and of itself, the death is prolonged

in such a way that the end of every excruciating

in such a way that the end of every excruciating

in such a way that the end of every excruciating

pain that is imaginable is part of the thrill.

pain that is imaginable is part of the thrill.

- David Parker Ray didn't wanna kill 'em,

- David Parker Ray didn't wanna kill 'em,

he wants to cause them pain, it's the infliction of pain

he wants to cause them pain, it's the infliction of pain

he wants to cause them pain, it's the infliction of pain

and watching the victim suffer that was exciting for him.

and watching the victim suffer that was exciting for him.

and watching the victim suffer that was exciting for him.

- NARRATOR: The tape offers insight

- NARRATOR: The tape offers insight

into David Parker Ray's motives.

into David Parker Ray's motives.

- DAVID PARKER RAY: In my case, I cannot get off with a girl

- DAVID PARKER RAY: In my case, I cannot get off with a girl

unless I hurt her first.

unless I hurt her first.

That's basically the reason I'm into rape and slavery.

That's basically the reason I'm into rape and slavery.

That's basically the reason I'm into rape and slavery.

And the reason that you're going to be subjected

And the reason that you're going to be subjected

to a certain amount of pain.

to a certain amount of pain.

Actually, that pretty well covers it.

Actually, that pretty well covers it.

- Yes, instilling the fear,

- Yes, instilling the fear,

psychologically breaking them down,

psychologically breaking them down,

making them compliant, and if you hear what he says,

making them compliant, and if you hear what he says,

is that he is basically telling them,

is that he is basically telling them,

is that he is basically telling them,

"If you're docile and you work on going along with this,

"If you're docile and you work on going along with this,

"If you're docile and you work on going along with this,

you may eventually be released."

you may eventually be released."

So there's that hope,

there's that piece of hope out there that,

there's that piece of hope out there that,

"Maybe I'll get out of this, but it's gonna hurt."

"Maybe I'll get out of this, but it's gonna hurt."

"Maybe I'll get out of this, but it's gonna hurt."

- NARRATOR: For Ray, prolonging the torture

- NARRATOR: For Ray, prolonging the torture

is critical.

- He had knowledge of things like medical techniques

- He had knowledge of things like medical techniques

- He had knowledge of things like medical techniques

where he would bring the person close

where he would bring the person close

to the brink of death and then revive them

to the brink of death and then revive them

with medical equipment so that the individual did not die

with medical equipment so that the individual did not die

during the act, um, as much as they may have wished

during the act, um, as much as they may have wished

at the moment that they would have died...

at the moment that they would have died...

- DAVID PARKER RAY: Well, I believe I told you about

- DAVID PARKER RAY: Well, I believe I told you about

everything that I can, and I cannot predict the future,

everything that I can, and I cannot predict the future,

everything that I can, and I cannot predict the future,

I can't predict changes of procedure,

I can't predict changes of procedure,

and I can only give you advice.

and I can only give you advice.

Be smart and be a survivor.

Be smart and be a survivor.

Don't ever scream, don't talk without permission,

Don't ever scream, don't talk without permission,

Don't ever scream, don't talk without permission,

be very quiet.

be very quiet.

Be docile and obedient.

Be docile and obedient.

And by all means, show proper respect.

And by all means, show proper respect.

And by all means, show proper respect.

Have a nice day.

Have a nice day.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray's crimes span more than 40 years.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray's crimes span more than 40 years.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray's crimes span more than 40 years.

He's believed to have brutally tortured and killed

He's believed to have brutally tortured and killed

He's believed to have brutally tortured and killed

more than 50 women.

more than 50 women.

- I mean, investigatively speaking,

- I mean, investigatively speaking,

I'd call him a human predator.

I'd call him a human predator.

Clinically speaking, I'd say

Clinically speaking, I'd say

he's a psychopathic sexual sadist.

he's a psychopathic sexual sadist.

Theologically speaking, I'd call him the devil on earth.

Theologically speaking, I'd call him the devil on earth.

Theologically speaking, I'd call him the devil on earth.

It's like a ghost, not looking for fame and glory

It's like a ghost, not looking for fame and glory

It's like a ghost, not looking for fame and glory

or recognition, simply slipping through society

or recognition, simply slipping through society

like a dark cloud.

like a dark cloud.

- [bird wings flapping]

- [bird wings flapping]

- NARRATOR: The most heinous breed of serial killers

- NARRATOR: The most heinous breed of serial killers

are identified as psychopathic sexual sadists.

are identified as psychopathic sexual sadists.

are identified as psychopathic sexual sadists.

For them, murder is not enough.

For them, murder is not enough.

These monsters are addicted to rape and torture

These monsters are addicted to rape and torture

These monsters are addicted to rape and torture

before they kill.

At the core of their evil is that they are psychopaths.

At the core of their evil is that they are psychopaths.

This is the diagnosis of 95% of serial killers.

This is the diagnosis of 95% of serial killers.

This is the diagnosis of 95% of serial killers.

This is the diagnosis of 95% of serial killers.

Dr. Bryanna Fox is an expert on psychopaths,

Dr. Bryanna Fox is an expert on psychopaths,

serial killers, and violent offenders.

serial killers, and violent offenders.

serial killers, and violent offenders.

- A psychopath is somebody who is narcissistic,

- A psychopath is somebody who is narcissistic,

- A psychopath is somebody who is narcissistic,

cold and callous.

cold and callous.

They have very low empathy for others

They have very low empathy for others

and they're very willing to break laws and norms

and they're very willing to break laws and norms

to do exactly what they want.

to do exactly what they want.

This is somebody who doesn't have a lot of emotion

This is somebody who doesn't have a lot of emotion

This is somebody who doesn't have a lot of emotion

and doesn't really feel bad

when they commit crimes or hurt others.

when they commit crimes or hurt others.

All of that is very characteristic of someone

All of that is very characteristic of someone

All of that is very characteristic of someone

who's willing to commit crimes against other people,

who's willing to commit crimes against other people,

including murder.

including murder.

- NARRATOR: Certainly, not all psychopaths are criminals,

- NARRATOR: Certainly, not all psychopaths are criminals,

but it's frequently a trait of serial killers.

but it's frequently a trait of serial killers.

but it's frequently a trait of serial killers.

And what makes them extraordinary

And what makes them extraordinary

is just how ordinary they appear.

is just how ordinary they appear.

David Parker Ray is a master mechanic

David Parker Ray is a master mechanic

for the New Mexico State Parks Department.

for the New Mexico State Parks Department.

- He was very clever, if you think about it.

- He was very clever, if you think about it.

Here he is, a state employee.

Here he is, a state employee.

Uh, I believe in 1995,

Uh, I believe in 1995,

he got an Employee of the Year award.

he got an Employee of the Year award.

[chuckles] Okay?

'Cause nobody knew what he was doing

'Cause nobody knew what he was doing

back in his little compound.

"He's a reliable employee, we don't need to supervise him."

"He's a reliable employee, we don't need to supervise him."

So here's a guy who's operating separately from everybody else,

So here's a guy who's operating separately from everybody else,

So here's a guy who's operating separately from everybody else,

and on the surface, everything looks fine.

and on the surface, everything looks fine.

- [indistinct bar chatter]

- [indistinct bar chatter]

- [indistinct bar chatter]

- NARRATOR: Ray uses his psychopath's charms

- NARRATOR: Ray uses his psychopath's charms

to convince victims to come to his home,

to convince victims to come to his home,

only to end up in his so-called toy box.

only to end up in his so-called toy box.

only to end up in his so-called toy box.

- [indistinct bar chatter continues]

- [indistinct bar chatter continues]

- [indistinct bar chatter continues]

- NARRATOR: One of Ray's favorite tricks

- NARRATOR: One of Ray's favorite tricks

is to pose as a police officer.

is to pose as a police officer.

Investigators find authentic uniforms, gear,

Investigators find authentic uniforms, gear,

and badges in his home.

and badges in his home.

Cynthia Vigil, the escapee from the toy box,

Cynthia Vigil, the escapee from the toy box,

Cynthia Vigil, the escapee from the toy box,

had been lured in by this deceit.

had been lured in by this deceit.

- [police sirens blaring]

- One morning I was walking to the restaurant,

- One morning I was walking to the restaurant,

and this guy came up to me and told me that...

and this guy came up to me and told me that...

and this guy came up to me and told me that...

he had asked for me, so I went over there,

he had asked for me, so I went over there,

and he acted like a cop and told me I was under arrest.

and he acted like a cop and told me I was under arrest.

and he acted like a cop and told me I was under arrest.

And he put his handcuffs on me,

And he put his handcuffs on me,

And he put his handcuffs on me,

and he had me in his trailer, and he drove me

and he had me in his trailer, and he drove me

to Elephant Butte... ...and he...

to Elephant Butte... ...and he...

to Elephant Butte... ...and he...

did a lot of sick stuff.

did a lot of sick stuff.

- NARRATOR: Vigil quickly becomes one

- NARRATOR: Vigil quickly becomes one

of David Parker Ray's sex slaves.

of David Parker Ray's sex slaves.

He is now her master.

He is now her master.

She's horrified to find out that Ray has an accomplice.

She's horrified to find out that Ray has an accomplice.

She's horrified to find out that Ray has an accomplice.

The toy box is also ruled by a mistress.

The toy box is also ruled by a mistress.

The toy box is also ruled by a mistress.

- NARRATOR: New Mexico State Police investigate the home

- NARRATOR: New Mexico State Police investigate the home

- NARRATOR: New Mexico State Police investigate the home

of 59-year-old David Parker Ray,

of 59-year-old David Parker Ray,

a suspected sadistic serial killer.

a suspected sadistic serial killer.

They find a soundproof trailer outfitted as a torture chamber.

They find a soundproof trailer outfitted as a torture chamber.

They find a soundproof trailer outfitted as a torture chamber.

They find a soundproof trailer outfitted as a torture chamber.

The tools they discover inside the dungeon

The tools they discover inside the dungeon

offer clear evidence of acts of unimaginable cruelty.

offer clear evidence of acts of unimaginable cruelty.

offer clear evidence of acts of unimaginable cruelty.

And terrifying insight into the mind

And terrifying insight into the mind

of a psychopathic serial sexual sadist.

of a psychopathic serial sexual sadist.

of a psychopathic serial sexual sadist.

But meanwhile, to his neighbors and coworkers,

But meanwhile, to his neighbors and coworkers,

Ray is just a friendly, regular guy.

Ray is just a friendly, regular guy.

Ray is just a friendly, regular guy.

- When you spoke to David, the--the--the David that you got

- When you spoke to David, the--the--the David that you got

- When you spoke to David, the--the--the David that you got

was an intelligent, articulate,

was an intelligent, articulate,

kind of wry sense of humor...

kind of wry sense of humor...

You never got the feeling when you were talking to him

You never got the feeling when you were talking to him

that you were dealing with somebody that was

that you were dealing with somebody that was

inherently evil or was capable of this kind of behavior.

inherently evil or was capable of this kind of behavior.

inherently evil or was capable of this kind of behavior.

He was excellent at shielding that part of himself

He was excellent at shielding that part of himself

He was excellent at shielding that part of himself

from anybody.

from anybody.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray's charm

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray's charm

not only attracts victims.

not only attracts victims.

In a shocking revelation, investigators discover

In a shocking revelation, investigators discover

that he has convinced accomplices to assist

that he has convinced accomplices to assist

that he has convinced accomplices to assist

in his heinous acts.

in his heinous acts.

Including his own daughter, Jessie Ray.

Including his own daughter, Jessie Ray.

- Also, he had a daughter lure women, uh, to the toy box,

- Also, he had a daughter lure women, uh, to the toy box,

- Also, he had a daughter lure women, uh, to the toy box,

there was one incident where she bopped a woman

there was one incident where she bopped a woman

over the head in a bar, uh,

over the head in a bar, uh,

with a beer bottle, after drugging her.

with a beer bottle, after drugging her.

Uh, and, um, they brought her home and she was tortured.

Uh, and, um, they brought her home and she was tortured.

- NARRATOR: Ray also has a live-in girlfriend

- NARRATOR: Ray also has a live-in girlfriend

who becomes his partner in crime for several years,

who becomes his partner in crime for several years,

named Cindy Hendy.

named Cindy Hendy.

Ray is the dungeon master.

Ray is the dungeon master.

Hendy is the mistress.

Hendy is the mistress.

Hendy is the mistress.

Shockingly, Cindy Hendy and Jessie Ray lure in victims,

Shockingly, Cindy Hendy and Jessie Ray lure in victims,

Shockingly, Cindy Hendy and Jessie Ray lure in victims,

and Hendy also participates in the torture

and Hendy also participates in the torture

and Hendy also participates in the torture

of the young women.

of the young women.

- The fact that he incorporated a female accomplice,

- The fact that he incorporated a female accomplice,

that's not very common.

that's not very common.

Not many serial killers have a female accomplice

Not many serial killers have a female accomplice

that actually participates in the sexual assault

that actually participates in the sexual assault

of another woman.

of another woman.

While she was with him,

While she was with him,

she talks about doing 18 packages.

she talks about doing 18 packages.

she talks about doing 18 packages.

Those are victims.

- NARRATOR: During this time, Ray also persuades

- NARRATOR: During this time, Ray also persuades

a friend of Jessie's named Roy Yancy to join the group.

a friend of Jessie's named Roy Yancy to join the group.

a friend of Jessie's named Roy Yancy to join the group.

Ray convinces Yancy to murder one of their torture victims,

Ray convinces Yancy to murder one of their torture victims,

Ray convinces Yancy to murder one of their torture victims,

Marie Parker.

Marie Parker.

Together, they dump her body in the desert,

Together, they dump her body in the desert,

outside of Truth or Consequences.

outside of Truth or Consequences.

- David seemed to have this ability, uh,

- David seemed to have this ability, uh,

to manipulate people, and he would surround himself

to manipulate people, and he would surround himself

to manipulate people, and he would surround himself

with people who were easily controlled

with people who were easily controlled

and easily, uh, manipulated,

and easily, uh, manipulated,

and easily, uh, manipulated,

um, and who were much less intelligent than he was.

um, and who were much less intelligent than he was.

In a manner of speaking, he's brainwashing them,

In a manner of speaking, he's brainwashing them,

he's...providing them with the things they want,

he's...providing them with the things they want,

he's...providing them with the things they want,

he's making them feel good about themselves,

he's making them feel good about themselves,

he's filling a hole somehow in their life,

he's filling a hole somehow in their life,

he's filling a hole somehow in their life,

and out of gratitude for that or whatever that is,

and out of gratitude for that or whatever that is,

or out of this idea that they have this meaningful

or out of this idea that they have this meaningful

or out of this idea that they have this meaningful

relationship with him, they'll basically do

relationship with him, they'll basically do

whatever he wants them to do.

whatever he wants them to do.

- WOMAN: [panting]

- NARRATOR: After Cynthia Vigil's escape,

- NARRATOR: After Cynthia Vigil's escape,

and the discovery of the toy box,

and the discovery of the toy box,

David Parker Ray and Cindy Hendy are arrested.

David Parker Ray and Cindy Hendy are arrested.

David Parker Ray and Cindy Hendy are arrested.

Ray claims he was just helping Vigil detox

Ray claims he was just helping Vigil detox

Ray claims he was just helping Vigil detox

from her heroin addiction,

from her heroin addiction,

and all the rough sex was consensual.

and all the rough sex was consensual.

- That was David's whole story, that--that any sex

- That was David's whole story, that--that any sex

- That was David's whole story, that--that any sex

that they would've had during that time was consensual,

that they would've had during that time was consensual,

she was a prostitute, he was-- he would pay her for that.

she was a prostitute, he was-- he would pay her for that.

she was a prostitute, he was-- he would pay her for that.

This was his approach, and he was very, very confident

This was his approach, and he was very, very confident

This was his approach, and he was very, very confident

in this kind of approach.

in this kind of approach.

- NARRATOR: Meanwhile, the state police and the FBI

- NARRATOR: Meanwhile, the state police and the FBI

set up a task force in nearby Truth or Consequences, NM.

set up a task force in nearby Truth or Consequences, NM.

set up a task force in nearby Truth or Consequences, NM.

set up a task force in nearby Truth or Consequences, NM.

They are convinced there must be more victims.

They are convinced there must be more victims.

They are convinced there must be more victims.

- So what we were interested in doing was trying to kind of

- So what we were interested in doing was trying to kind of

co-locate David with known missing persons,

co-locate David with known missing persons,

co-locate David with known missing persons,

so if we could put David in the vicinity at the time

so if we could put David in the vicinity at the time

so if we could put David in the vicinity at the time

that a particular person was reported missing,

that a particular person was reported missing,

we could make some kind of a connection there

we could make some kind of a connection there

and maybe follow that up as a lead and see

and maybe follow that up as a lead and see

if we could develop any evidence.

What we were able to do was to show the possibility

What we were able to do was to show the possibility

What we were able to do was to show the possibility

of upwards of 90 to 95 potential, uh, events,

of upwards of 90 to 95 potential, uh, events,

of upwards of 90 to 95 potential, uh, events,

of upwards of 90 to 95 potential, uh, events,

missing person events that David Parker Ray was

missing person events that David Parker Ray was

in the vicinity at the time, we can place him there

in the vicinity at the time, we can place him there

in the vicinity at the time, we can place him there

at the time that person was reported missing.

at the time that person was reported missing.

- NARRATOR: But Ray's victims are tough to track.

- NARRATOR: But Ray's victims are tough to track.

Typically, they are prostitutes or runaways.

Typically, they are prostitutes or runaways.

Typically, they are prostitutes or runaways.

Young women who won't be missed.

Young women who won't be missed.

After torturing and killing them,

After torturing and killing them,

he cleverly hides the corpses in the vast New Mexico desert.

he cleverly hides the corpses in the vast New Mexico desert.

he cleverly hides the corpses in the vast New Mexico desert.

Or in Elephant Butte Lake, next to his home.

Or in Elephant Butte Lake, next to his home.

Or in Elephant Butte Lake, next to his home.

Investigators can't find any bodies,

Investigators can't find any bodies,

despite finding Ray's hand-drawn treasure map.

despite finding Ray's hand-drawn treasure map.

despite finding Ray's hand-drawn treasure map.

- RICH: This is Elephant Butte Lake, Elephant Butte Reservoir,

- RICH: This is Elephant Butte Lake, Elephant Butte Reservoir,

and it's 42 miles long.

and it's 42 miles long.

Um, when we found the map that had Xs on it, for example,

Um, when we found the map that had Xs on it, for example,

Um, when we found the map that had Xs on it, for example,

one X would be up there, what we call Kettle Top,

one X would be up there, what we call Kettle Top,

one X would be up there, what we call Kettle Top,

the large plateau off in the distance.

the large plateau off in the distance.

And then there would be other Xs, like over here,

And then there would be other Xs, like over here,

by Rattlesnake Island.

by Rattlesnake Island.

There would be an X down here in this part of the, uh,

There would be an X down here in this part of the, uh,

the lake, which leads down to the Elephant Butte itself.

the lake, which leads down to the Elephant Butte itself.

the lake, which leads down to the Elephant Butte itself.

And we had dive missions in all of those places,

And we had dive missions in all of those places,

but you kinda get an idea the challenge you're facing.

but you kinda get an idea the challenge you're facing.

Even in the best of conditions, it's very, very difficult

Even in the best of conditions, it's very, very difficult

Even in the best of conditions, it's very, very difficult

Even in the best of conditions, it's very, very difficult

to locate something under water.

to locate something under water.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray has operated under the radar

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray has operated under the radar

for decades.

for decades.

The number of victims is unknown.

The number of victims is unknown.

He skillfully hides his crimes,

He skillfully hides his crimes,

and law enforcement doesn't even realize

and law enforcement doesn't even realize

there was a serial killer on the loose.

there was a serial killer on the loose.

But not all psychopathic serial sexual sadists

But not all psychopathic serial sexual sadists

enjoy lurking in the shadows.

enjoy lurking in the shadows.

Some crave the media spotlight.

Some crave the media spotlight.

Like the brutal serial murderer known as Bind, Torture and Kill.

Like the brutal serial murderer known as Bind, Torture and Kill.

Like the brutal serial murderer known as Bind, Torture and Kill.

Like the brutal serial murderer known as Bind, Torture and Kill.

- NARRATOR: Law enforcement is searching for more victims

- NARRATOR: Law enforcement is searching for more victims

of one of history's most horrific and cunning

of one of history's most horrific and cunning

serial killers: David Parker Ray.

serial killers: David Parker Ray.

serial killers: David Parker Ray.

They develop leads on a possible 95 victims that could've been

They develop leads on a possible 95 victims that could've been

They develop leads on a possible 95 victims that could've been

abducted by the prolific murderer.

abducted by the prolific murderer.

Ray has operated totally under the radar for over 40 years,

Ray has operated totally under the radar for over 40 years,

Ray has operated totally under the radar for over 40 years,

but meanwhile, a different breed of sadistic serial killer

but meanwhile, a different breed of sadistic serial killer

but meanwhile, a different breed of sadistic serial killer

is on the loose, one who craves the spotlight.

is on the loose, one who craves the spotlight.

is on the loose, one who craves the spotlight.

He would soon earn the gruesome nickname,

He would soon earn the gruesome nickname,

the Bind, Torture, Kill Strangler.

the Bind, Torture, Kill Strangler.

the Bind, Torture, Kill Strangler.

January 15th, 1974.

January 15th, 1974.

It's a quiet morning in this Wichita neighborhood.

It's a quiet morning in this Wichita neighborhood.

An armed invader cuts the phone line

An armed invader cuts the phone line

and forces its way into this home.

and forces its way into this home.

Joseph Otero, his wife Julie,

Joseph Otero, his wife Julie,

Joseph Otero, his wife Julie,

their nine-year-old son, Joseph II,

their nine-year-old son, Joseph II,

and 11-year-old daughter Josephine

and 11-year-old daughter Josephine

all hope this is only a robbery.

all hope this is only a robbery.

all hope this is only a robbery.

- WOMAN: [screaming]

- WOMAN: [screaming]

- NARRATOR: The Oteros are bound

and strangled to death,

and strangled to death,

and there is clear evidence of sexual violence and torture.

and there is clear evidence of sexual violence and torture.

and there is clear evidence of sexual violence and torture.

and there is clear evidence of sexual violence and torture.

The young girl is hung on a pipe in the basement.

The young girl is hung on a pipe in the basement.

The murderer masturbates on her lifeless body.

The murderer masturbates on her lifeless body.

The murderer masturbates on her lifeless body.

The killer leaves no concrete leads,

The killer leaves no concrete leads,

and the case grows cold.

and the case grows cold.

- [sirens blaring]

- [sirens blaring]

- NARRATOR: Then, in October, three suspects

- NARRATOR: Then, in October, three suspects

are taken into custody for the crime.

are taken into custody for the crime.

And suddenly, a chilling letter arrives

And suddenly, a chilling letter arrives

at the Wichita Eagle newspaper.

at the Wichita Eagle newspaper.

at the Wichita Eagle newspaper.

The letter declares:

"Those three dudes you have in custody are just talking

"Those three dudes you have in custody are just talking

"Those three dudes you have in custody are just talking

"to get publicity for the Otero murders.

"to get publicity for the Otero murders.

"to get publicity for the Otero murders.

"They know nothing at all.

"I did it by myself and with no one's help.

"I did it by myself and with no one's help.

"I did it by myself and with no one's help.

Let's put it straight."

Let's put it straight."

- This was his homicide, he wanted credit for that,

- This was his homicide, he wanted credit for that,

- This was his homicide, he wanted credit for that,

so he sends a letter to the press.

so he sends a letter to the press.

"Those three dudes that you have in custody did not do it,

"Those three dudes that you have in custody did not do it,

I did this."

And then he begins to articulate

And then he begins to articulate

that only someone who was at the crime scene would know

that only someone who was at the crime scene would know

that only someone who was at the crime scene would know

the location and position of each of the bodies.

the location and position of each of the bodies.

- NARRATOR: The writer signs the letter,

"Yours truly, guiltily," with a post-script.

"Yours truly, guiltily," with a post-script.

"Yours truly, guiltily," with a post-script.

- He then concludes with the fact that

- He then concludes with the fact that

- He then concludes with the fact that

he will continue to kill and he wants to be called

he will continue to kill and he wants to be called

BTK, for Bind, Torture and Kill.

BTK, for Bind, Torture and Kill.

"And from now on, when you hear from me,

"And from now on, when you hear from me,

it will be BTK."

it will be BTK."

it will be BTK."

- NARRATOR: The killer's real name is Dennis Rader,

- NARRATOR: The killer's real name is Dennis Rader,

- NARRATOR: The killer's real name is Dennis Rader,

he's a church-going family man, respected in the community.

he's a church-going family man, respected in the community.

he's a church-going family man, respected in the community.

Later brutally murders at least ten people.

Later brutally murders at least ten people.

Later brutally murders at least ten people.

The hunt to find him will last over 30 years.

The hunt to find him will last over 30 years.

The hunt to find him will last over 30 years.

Like David Parker Ray, he's also a psychopathic

Like David Parker Ray, he's also a psychopathic

serial sexual sadist.

serial sexual sadist.

serial sexual sadist.

But Dennis Rader is fueled by somewhat different desires.

But Dennis Rader is fueled by somewhat different desires.

While David Parker Ray makes every effort

While David Parker Ray makes every effort

to hide his crimes,

to hide his crimes,

Dennis Rader lobbies for publicity.

Dennis Rader lobbies for publicity.

Rader is thought to have been driven by narcissism.

Rader is thought to have been driven by narcissism.

Rader is thought to have been driven by narcissism.

That means he feels he possesses unique talents and believes

That means he feels he possesses unique talents and believes

That means he feels he possesses unique talents and believes

he's entitled to special treatment.

he's entitled to special treatment.

he's entitled to special treatment.

- When you have a malignant narcissist, he gets off on

- When you have a malignant narcissist, he gets off on

the thrill that he's a threat, that he's somebody.

the thrill that he's a threat, that he's somebody.

In real life, he's nobody, but in this persona, the BTK,

In real life, he's nobody, but in this persona, the BTK,

In real life, he's nobody, but in this persona, the BTK,

In real life, he's nobody, but in this persona, the BTK,

he's someone to be reckoned with,

he's someone to be reckoned with,

and that's what's driving him.

and that's what's driving him.

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- NARRATOR: Ray and Rader hunt for two different types

- NARRATOR: Ray and Rader hunt for two different types

of prey.

of prey.

David Parker Ray's anonymous victims

David Parker Ray's anonymous victims

go missing completely.

go missing completely.

But Dennis Rader targets ordinary citizens.

But Dennis Rader targets ordinary citizens.

But Dennis Rader targets ordinary citizens.

And then he poses the corpses in provocative positions.

And then he poses the corpses in provocative positions.

And then he poses the corpses in provocative positions.

- These victims were everyday people,

- These victims were everyday people,

residents of Wichita, Kansas.

residents of Wichita, Kansas.

residents of Wichita, Kansas.

And basically, he had literally terrorized the city of Wichita,

And basically, he had literally terrorized the city of Wichita,

And basically, he had literally terrorized the city of Wichita,

because nobody knew where he would come.

because nobody knew where he would come.

People would come in and the first thing they would do

People would come in and the first thing they would do

is they'd go to the phone and pick it up to see

is they'd go to the phone and pick it up to see

if it was dead, that's how paranoid people became.

if it was dead, that's how paranoid people became.

Because in the newspapers, a report that he would

Because in the newspapers, a report that he would

cut the phone lines of each of his victims' houses.

cut the phone lines of each of his victims' houses.

cut the phone lines of each of his victims' houses.

So that was one of his signatures.

So that was one of his signatures.

- NARRATOR: After three more murders,

Rader sends his next letter,

Rader sends his next letter,

asking, "How many do I have to kill before I get a name

asking, "How many do I have to kill before I get a name

asking, "How many do I have to kill before I get a name

in the paper or some national attention?"

in the paper or some national attention?"

David Parker Ray and Dennis Rader may be

David Parker Ray and Dennis Rader may be

two different types of sexual sadists,

two different types of sexual sadists,

two different types of sexual sadists,

but at their core, both are lethal psychopaths.

but at their core, both are lethal psychopaths.

but at their core, both are lethal psychopaths.

So the key questions that still puzzle experts are,

So the key questions that still puzzle experts are,

how do people become psychopaths?

how do people become psychopaths?

how do people become psychopaths?

And then, how do they go on to be sadistic serial killers?

And then, how do they go on to be sadistic serial killers?

And then, how do they go on to be sadistic serial killers?

- It's very important to make a distinction

- It's very important to make a distinction

between what we would call

between what we would call

primary and secondary psychopathy.

primary and secondary psychopathy.

It's certainly understood that the vast majority

It's certainly understood that the vast majority

of serial killers are gonna demonstrate some degree

of serial killers are gonna demonstrate some degree

of psychopathy, um,

of psychopathy, um,

but when we talk about primary psychopathy,

but when we talk about primary psychopathy,

we're referring to hereditary psychopathy,

we're referring to hereditary psychopathy,

what we might call a bad seed.

what we might call a bad seed.

Secondary psychopathy is where an individual is so badly...

Secondary psychopathy is where an individual is so badly...

Secondary psychopathy is where an individual is so badly...

maltreated, neglected, abused, that the individual looks

maltreated, neglected, abused, that the individual looks

maltreated, neglected, abused, that the individual looks

an awful lot like a person who, from birth,

an awful lot like a person who, from birth,

has this kind of proclivity, uh, and, um,

has this kind of proclivity, uh, and, um,

it's sometimes difficult to tease them apart.

it's sometimes difficult to tease them apart.

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader had a fairly normal upbringing,

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader had a fairly normal upbringing,

without any evidence of abuse.

without any evidence of abuse.

But he developed a fascination with torturing

But he developed a fascination with torturing

and killing animals.

and killing animals.

- If you look at his history,

- If you look at his history,

it would lead you to believe that this was a kid that was--

it would lead you to believe that this was a kid that was--

it would lead you to believe that this was a kid that was--

had some issues when he was young.

had some issues when he was young.

When he was a child, he admitted that he became

When he was a child, he admitted that he became

sexually aroused when he watched his grandmother kill a chicken,

sexually aroused when he watched his grandmother kill a chicken,

sexually aroused when he watched his grandmother kill a chicken,

and he wanted to replicate that.

and he wanted to replicate that.

Children that do certain kinds of things

Children that do certain kinds of things

like killing animals, those are kids that need watching,

like killing animals, those are kids that need watching,

like killing animals, those are kids that need watching,

and those are kids that you need to attend to.

and those are kids that you need to attend to.

But that never happened to Dennis Rader.

But that never happened to Dennis Rader.

But that never happened to Dennis Rader.

- NARRATOR: It appears David Parker Ray did suffer

- NARRATOR: It appears David Parker Ray did suffer

- NARRATOR: It appears David Parker Ray did suffer

a cruel childhood.

a cruel childhood.

He grew up in an abusive, broken home.

He grew up in an abusive, broken home.

The socially awkward child was bullied in school,

The socially awkward child was bullied in school,

The socially awkward child was bullied in school,

and in adolescence, developed a fascination with drugs,

and in adolescence, developed a fascination with drugs,

and in adolescence, developed a fascination with drugs,

pornography, sadomasochism... and murder.

pornography, sadomasochism... and murder.

pornography, sadomasochism... and murder.

pornography, sadomasochism... and murder.

Ray claimed to have committed his first sadistic attack

Ray claimed to have committed his first sadistic attack

when he was a young teen, and he bragged about it

when he was a young teen, and he bragged about it

when he was a young teen, and he bragged about it

in his journal.

- VERNON: Now, you link psychopathy with sexual sadism,

- VERNON: Now, you link psychopathy with sexual sadism,

- VERNON: Now, you link psychopathy with sexual sadism,

and what you have is a human predator.

and what you have is a human predator.

- Ray had a very peculiar split in his personality

- Ray had a very peculiar split in his personality

- Ray had a very peculiar split in his personality

that seems to have developed in adolescence,

that seems to have developed in adolescence,

where he was capable of viewing, uh, a woman

where he was capable of viewing, uh, a woman

as a good object, uh, that he could incorporate

as a good object, uh, that he could incorporate

as a good object, uh, that he could incorporate

into his crimes, idealize a little bit, um,

into his crimes, idealize a little bit, um,

or view her as this garbage.

or view her as this garbage.

Uh, there is an infamous incident

Uh, there is an infamous incident

in the life of David Parker Ray,

in the life of David Parker Ray,

where he told one of the female captives

where he told one of the female captives

where he told one of the female captives

that he did not kill, if I recall, uh,

that he did not kill, if I recall, uh,

he turned to her and said, "You know, if I had known

he turned to her and said, "You know, if I had known

"that you were such a good woman, uh,

"that you were such a good woman, uh,

"I wouldn't have thought of you as the type of person

"I wouldn't have thought of you as the type of person

that I would torture in the toy box."

that I would torture in the toy box."

- NARRATOR: Another common trait of sadistic serial killers

- NARRATOR: Another common trait of sadistic serial killers

- NARRATOR: Another common trait of sadistic serial killers

is their engagement in paraphilia.

is their engagement in paraphilia.

Defined as abnormal sexual behaviors or impulses

Defined as abnormal sexual behaviors or impulses

Defined as abnormal sexual behaviors or impulses

that play out through intense and recurring sexual fantasies

that play out through intense and recurring sexual fantasies

that play out through intense and recurring sexual fantasies

and urges.

The BTK strangler always tries to perfect his techniques.

The BTK strangler always tries to perfect his techniques.

The BTK strangler always tries to perfect his techniques.

The BTK strangler always tries to perfect his techniques.

He creates gruesome sketches

and builds models of his fantasies.

and builds models of his fantasies.

and builds models of his fantasies.

- He used a ball to strengthen his fingers

- He used a ball to strengthen his fingers

- He used a ball to strengthen his fingers

because you have to keep your fingers very strong

because you have to keep your fingers very strong

because it takes a lot to strangle someone.

because it takes a lot to strangle someone.

because it takes a lot to strangle someone.

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader methodically scouts his victims

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader methodically scouts his victims

and plans his attacks.

and plans his attacks.

All while carrying on with his normal life.

All while carrying on with his normal life.

All while carrying on with his normal life.

- So in addition to being a church leader

- So in addition to being a church leader

and a, uh, government worker for the city,

and a, uh, government worker for the city,

and a, uh, government worker for the city,

he also was a Boy Scout leader,

and they would go on camping trips,

and they would go on camping trips,

and he would use the camping trips as cover

and he would use the camping trips as cover

and he would use the camping trips as cover

for him to go out and do a hit.

for him to go out and do a hit.

Because his wife believed he was on a camping trip,

Because his wife believed he was on a camping trip,

Because his wife believed he was on a camping trip,

the kids were sleeping,

he would leave the camp site, take a cab,

he would leave the camp site, take a cab,

he would leave the camp site, take a cab,

go to the location that he had pre-surveiled,

go to the location that he had pre-surveiled,

and attack his victim.

and attack his victim.

- NARRATOR: This aspect of planning their crimes

- NARRATOR: This aspect of planning their crimes

is one area where Rader and Ray are alike.

is one area where Rader and Ray are alike.

is one area where Rader and Ray are alike.

- In the case of BTK, Dennis Rader,

- In the case of BTK, Dennis Rader,

and David Parker Ray, we see there's these tendencies

and David Parker Ray, we see there's these tendencies

and David Parker Ray, we see there's these tendencies

to journal, to sketch things out,

to journal, to sketch things out,

to journal, to sketch things out,

to plan out their future crimes.

to plan out their future crimes.

And this is both a way to relive the crimes

And this is both a way to relive the crimes

that they committed in the past,

that they committed in the past,

to get pleasure out of it, much like you would look through

to get pleasure out of it, much like you would look through

a photo album of happy moments from the past,

a photo album of happy moments from the past,

a photo album of happy moments from the past,

or to plan out the future crimes.

or to plan out the future crimes.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray even uses barbie dolls

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray even uses barbie dolls

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray even uses barbie dolls

in his planning.

- He had taken these dolls and perverted them

- He had taken these dolls and perverted them

- He had taken these dolls and perverted them

and turned them into...

and turned them into...

kind of a...an action figure for S&M.

kind of a...an action figure for S&M.

kind of a...an action figure for S&M.

I mean, they were naked, um, he had manufactured

I mean, they were naked, um, he had manufactured

I mean, they were naked, um, he had manufactured

little devices to put on them, and they were decorations

little devices to put on them, and they were decorations

little devices to put on them, and they were decorations

in his utility trailer.

in his utility trailer.

- DR. BRUCATO: What his disturbingly vivid diaries

- DR. BRUCATO: What his disturbingly vivid diaries

record is years of fantasies of torture that were worsened

record is years of fantasies of torture that were worsened

record is years of fantasies of torture that were worsened

by the fact that he had an incredibly brilliant knack

by the fact that he had an incredibly brilliant knack

by the fact that he had an incredibly brilliant knack

for, uh, creating devices... sort of technical devices...

for, uh, creating devices... sort of technical devices...

for, uh, creating devices... sort of technical devices...

for, uh, creating devices... sort of technical devices...

- NARRATOR: Ray is a skilled mechanic and builder.

- NARRATOR: Ray is a skilled mechanic and builder.

At work he is known to be a pack rat,

At work he is known to be a pack rat,

bringing home scrap items to use on "personal projects."

bringing home scrap items to use on "personal projects."

bringing home scrap items to use on "personal projects."

- So this is the headquarters for the State Park

- So this is the headquarters for the State Park

- So this is the headquarters for the State Park

of Elephant Butte, and David was employed here,

of Elephant Butte, and David was employed here,

he was employed first at-- with State Parks as a mechanic.

he was employed first at-- with State Parks as a mechanic.

If--if there were things that were left over,

If--if there were things that were left over,

little bits and pieces that he could use,

little bits and pieces that he could use,

he would pack those away,

he would pack those away,

we found a garage filled with it, just scrap

we found a garage filled with it, just scrap

and old tools and scrap metal, uh, and that--that's some

and old tools and scrap metal, uh, and that--that's some

and old tools and scrap metal, uh, and that--that's some

of the material he would use to create his devices.

of the material he would use to create his devices.

of the material he would use to create his devices.

Um, he had a ready supply of it right here at work.

Um, he had a ready supply of it right here at work.

- NARRATOR: For decades, Rader and Ray carried out

- NARRATOR: For decades, Rader and Ray carried out

their gruesome attacks.

Ray feeling he's invincible and can't be caught,

Ray feeling he's invincible and can't be caught,

Ray feeling he's invincible and can't be caught,

while Rader thinks he's smarter than the police

while Rader thinks he's smarter than the police

and dares them to stop him before he kills again.

and dares them to stop him before he kills again.

and dares them to stop him before he kills again.

- NARRATOR: Sadistic serial killers are the most

- NARRATOR: Sadistic serial killers are the most

brutal predators on the planet.

brutal predators on the planet.

brutal predators on the planet.

David Parker Ray and Dennis Rader are two

David Parker Ray and Dennis Rader are two

of history's most horrific examples

of history's most horrific examples

of this kind of murderer.

of this kind of murderer.

They both carry out on their monstrous acts for decades.

They both carry out on their monstrous acts for decades.

They both carry out on their monstrous acts for decades.

Their crimes are similar, but their motives and methods

Their crimes are similar, but their motives and methods

are very different.

are very different.

Often, these crimes worsen over time as the killers

Often, these crimes worsen over time as the killers

Often, these crimes worsen over time as the killers

habituate to the experience and need to intensify

habituate to the experience and need to intensify

habituate to the experience and need to intensify

the sadistic acts to get the thrill they crave.

the sadistic acts to get the thrill they crave.

- There are times where a sexually sadistic killer

- There are times where a sexually sadistic killer

will jump immediately into serial killing,

will jump immediately into serial killing,

will jump immediately into serial killing,

and in those cases, we tend to see where

and in those cases, we tend to see where

there's a slight escalation in the severity of their crimes,

there's a slight escalation in the severity of their crimes,

there's a slight escalation in the severity of their crimes,

but more often we see it where they keep trophies

but more often we see it where they keep trophies

of their offenses and that helps them to relive the fantasy

of their offenses and that helps them to relive the fantasy

of their offenses and that helps them to relive the fantasy

to keep that high going that they had,

to keep that high going that they had,

and also the premeditation of their next crime.

and also the premeditation of their next crime.

and also the premeditation of their next crime.

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader exhibits a rare behavior

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader exhibits a rare behavior

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader exhibits a rare behavior

for a serial murderer.

He is able to completely stop killing

He is able to completely stop killing

for long stretches of time.

for long stretches of time.

He takes five victims in 1974.

He takes five victims in 1974.

He takes five victims in 1974.

Two in 1977.

Two in 1977.

Then, one a year in 1985,

Then, one a year in 1985,

1986 and 1991.

1986 and 1991.

His last correspondence with the press

His last correspondence with the press

is received in 1988.

is received in 1988.

is received in 1988.

Commander Vernon Gebreth is brought in

Commander Vernon Gebreth is brought in

as a consultant on both the Ray and BTK cases.

as a consultant on both the Ray and BTK cases.

as a consultant on both the Ray and BTK cases.

- VERNON: So, he remained dormant, if you think about it,

- VERNON: So, he remained dormant, if you think about it,

- VERNON: So, he remained dormant, if you think about it,

from 1988 to 2004, nobody heard anything about him.

from 1988 to 2004, nobody heard anything about him.

from 1988 to 2004, nobody heard anything about him.

Now, the old, uh, caveat in cases like this is that

Now, the old, uh, caveat in cases like this is that

Now, the old, uh, caveat in cases like this is that

the serial killer's either in jail or has died.

the serial killer's either in jail or has died.

the serial killer's either in jail or has died.

Well, guess what? BTK just rewrote the book.

Well, guess what? BTK just rewrote the book.

Well, guess what? BTK just rewrote the book.

[laughs] It changed all the rules.

[laughs] It changed all the rules.

He actually remained dormant all these years,

He actually remained dormant all these years,

now how did he do that?

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- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader stashes away trophies

- NARRATOR: Dennis Rader stashes away trophies

taken from his victims, and uses them to play

taken from his victims, and uses them to play

taken from his victims, and uses them to play

twisted, auto-erotic games.

twisted, auto-erotic games.

He engages in self bondage and takes...selfies.

He engages in self bondage and takes...selfies.

He engages in self bondage and takes...selfies.

- So Dennis Rader in some instances would actually wear

- So Dennis Rader in some instances would actually wear

the clothing of the victim or dress like the victim,

the clothing of the victim or dress like the victim,

the clothing of the victim or dress like the victim,

and put a mask over his face, okay?

and put a mask over his face, okay?

And put himself in the pos-- the same position as the victims

And put himself in the pos-- the same position as the victims

And put himself in the pos-- the same position as the victims

he had killed, and he was able to relieve himself sexually

he had killed, and he was able to relieve himself sexually

he had killed, and he was able to relieve himself sexually

like that.

like that.

- NARRATOR: In one photo, he digs a shallow grave

- NARRATOR: In one photo, he digs a shallow grave

and wraps himself in plastic, and wears a frightening mask.

and wraps himself in plastic, and wears a frightening mask.

and wraps himself in plastic, and wears a frightening mask.

In another, he suspends himself upside down from the trees,

In another, he suspends himself upside down from the trees,

In another, he suspends himself upside down from the trees,

all keeping the memories of his victims alive,

all keeping the memories of his victims alive,

all keeping the memories of his victims alive,

fulfilling his fantasies and allowing him

fulfilling his fantasies and allowing him

to stop killing.

to stop killing.

to stop killing.

By 2004, the case goes cold.

By 2004, the case goes cold.

It's assumed BTK is in jail or dead.

It's assumed BTK is in jail or dead.

It's assumed BTK is in jail or dead.

- 2004, he announces that he's back.

- 2004, he announces that he's back.

- 2004, he announces that he's back.

- 2004, he announces that he's back.

And why is he making that announcement?

Because the Wichita Eagle had a special front-page edition,

Because the Wichita Eagle had a special front-page edition,

Because the Wichita Eagle had a special front-page edition,

Because the Wichita Eagle had a special front-page edition,

"30-Year Anniversary of the BTK killings,"

"30-Year Anniversary of the BTK killings,"

"30-Year Anniversary of the BTK killings,"

which basically set him out again to come forward.

which basically set him out again to come forward.

which basically set him out again to come forward.

which basically set him out again to come forward.

- NARRATOR: Over the next 12 months,

BTK sends 11 communications confirming his role

BTK sends 11 communications confirming his role

BTK sends 11 communications confirming his role

in several earlier murders, with gruesome photos

in several earlier murders, with gruesome photos

in several earlier murders, with gruesome photos

and victims' driver's licences and ID badges.

and victims' driver's licences and ID badges.

and victims' driver's licences and ID badges.

One chilling letter confirms BTK's new intentions.

One chilling letter confirms BTK's new intentions.

One chilling letter confirms BTK's new intentions.

One chilling letter confirms BTK's new intentions.

- This letter was more intense, he was scary,

- This letter was more intense, he was scary,

- This letter was more intense, he was scary,

because he ends it with a threat.

because he ends it with a threat.

"I have spotted a spoiled latch key kid,

"I have spotted a spoiled latch key kid,

"just have to work out the details.

"just have to work out the details.

I think fall or winter will be just about right for the hit."

I think fall or winter will be just about right for the hit."

So now he's doing--he's putting the authorities on alert

So now he's doing--he's putting the authorities on alert

So now he's doing--he's putting the authorities on alert

that he's now about to strike,

he's identified his possible victim,

he's identified his possible victim,

and this is putting a whole new spin on it,

and this is putting a whole new spin on it,

the pressure on the authorities is unbelievable.

the pressure on the authorities is unbelievable.

the pressure on the authorities is unbelievable.

- NARRATOR: Now in Wichita,

- NARRATOR: Now in Wichita,

30 years after BTK first appears,

30 years after BTK first appears,

a long, dormant horror is about to rear its head

a long, dormant horror is about to rear its head

a long, dormant horror is about to rear its head

once again.

once again.

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray, the Toy Box Killer,

- NARRATOR: David Parker Ray, the Toy Box Killer,

and Dennis Rader, the BTK Strangler,

and Dennis Rader, the BTK Strangler,

and Dennis Rader, the BTK Strangler,

are two of the most evil serial killers

are two of the most evil serial killers

in the annos of crime.

in the annos of crime.

Both remain on the loose for decades.

Both remain on the loose for decades.

After three days of unspeakable cruelty

After three days of unspeakable cruelty

with David Parker Ray's toy box torture devices,

with David Parker Ray's toy box torture devices,

with David Parker Ray's toy box torture devices,

Cynthia Vigil manages to escape.

Cynthia Vigil manages to escape.

Cynthia Vigil manages to escape.

While David is out,

she's able to overcome Cindy Hendy and get free.

she's able to overcome Cindy Hendy and get free.

she's able to overcome Cindy Hendy and get free.

Finally, Ray's reign of terror comes to an end.

Finally, Ray's reign of terror comes to an end.

Finally, Ray's reign of terror comes to an end.

- WOMAN: [panting, crying]

- NARRATOR: Police find incriminating evidence

- NARRATOR: Police find incriminating evidence

at the crime scene, but the few victims that survive

at the crime scene, but the few victims that survive

at the crime scene, but the few victims that survive

were so heavily drugged and brainwashed

were so heavily drugged and brainwashed

that their testimony is not considered credible.

that their testimony is not considered credible.

that their testimony is not considered credible.

- [police siren blaring]

- NARRATOR: Investigators hunt for definitive evidence

- NARRATOR: Investigators hunt for definitive evidence

of murder.

They continue to scour the desert

They continue to scour the desert

and the lake for bodies.

and the lake for bodies.

But they still come up empty.

But they still come up empty.

In the courtroom, the judge rules against

In the courtroom, the judge rules against

playing Ray's introductory audio tape,

playing Ray's introductory audio tape,

and in the first trial there's a hung jury.

and in the first trial there's a hung jury.

and in the first trial there's a hung jury.

Prosecutors cannot let this monster go free,

Prosecutors cannot let this monster go free,

Prosecutors cannot let this monster go free,

so they retry the case.

so they retry the case.

Still, they can't convict Ray of murder without a body.

Still, they can't convict Ray of murder without a body.

Still, they can't convict Ray of murder without a body.

But this time, the tape is played for the jury,

But this time, the tape is played for the jury,

But this time, the tape is played for the jury,

and finally, in 2001,

and finally, in 2001,

he is convicted for kidnapping and torture,

he is convicted for kidnapping and torture,

and is sentenced to 224 years in prison.

and is sentenced to 224 years in prison.

and is sentenced to 224 years in prison.

- David showed zero remorse for anything.

- David showed zero remorse for anything.

- David showed zero remorse for anything.

It wasn't that he didn't understand

It wasn't that he didn't understand

the--the ramifications of what he's doing.

the--the ramifications of what he's doing.

He just didn't care.

He just didn't care.

- NARRATOR: His daughter, Jessie Ray, cooperates

with the prosecution and only receives probation.

with the prosecution and only receives probation.

Cindy Hendy is sentenced to 36 years.

Cindy Hendy is sentenced to 36 years.

She is released on probation in 2019 after serving

She is released on probation in 2019 after serving

half her sentence.

half her sentence.

Roy Yancy, the accomplice who murdered Marie Parker

Roy Yancy, the accomplice who murdered Marie Parker

Roy Yancy, the accomplice who murdered Marie Parker

under orders from Ray also cooperates.

under orders from Ray also cooperates.

He agrees to take police to the site of her body,

He agrees to take police to the site of her body,

He agrees to take police to the site of her body,

but the corpse isn't there.

but the corpse isn't there.

- He realized that more than he knew where that body was.

- He realized that more than he knew where that body was.

- He realized that more than he knew where that body was.

He went back, dug that body up, and put her someplace else.

He went back, dug that body up, and put her someplace else.

He went back, dug that body up, and put her someplace else.

He went back, dug that body up, and put her someplace else.

Very smart, very clever. Very evil.

Very smart, very clever. Very evil.

Very smart, very clever. Very evil.

So when Roy Yancy--who was arrested--

So when Roy Yancy--who was arrested--

admitted what he had done,

admitted what he had done,

he actually brought the authorities out there,

he actually brought the authorities out there,

"This is where the body was,"

"This is where the body was,"

but the body wasn't there anymore.

but the body wasn't there anymore.

- NARRATOR: Roy Yancy is sentenced to 22 years

- NARRATOR: Roy Yancy is sentenced to 22 years

for the murder of Marie Parker.

for the murder of Marie Parker.

David Parker Ray is sent to prison,

David Parker Ray is sent to prison,

David Parker Ray is sent to prison,

but just eight months later, he dies of a heart attack.

but just eight months later, he dies of a heart attack.

but just eight months later, he dies of a heart attack.

- So he dies eight months, uh, into his sentence

- So he dies eight months, uh, into his sentence

- So he dies eight months, uh, into his sentence

at a prison facility in Hobbs, New Mexico.

at a prison facility in Hobbs, New Mexico.

at a prison facility in Hobbs, New Mexico.

And it was, uh... it was frustrating, uh, for us,

And it was, uh... it was frustrating, uh, for us,

And it was, uh... it was frustrating, uh, for us,

because that ended any possibility we had, um,

because that ended any possibility we had, um,

because that ended any possibility we had, um,

or the best possibility we had, of being able to take something

or the best possibility we had, of being able to take something

or the best possibility we had, of being able to take something

to the families of--of his victims and say,

to the families of--of his victims and say,

to the families of--of his victims and say,

"Here's what happened."

"Here's what happened."

These people are still, uh, at home,

These people are still, uh, at home,

with pictures of their daughter somewhere in that house,

with pictures of their daughter somewhere in that house,

and that daughter is dead, she's gone,

and that daughter is dead, she's gone,

and that daughter is dead, she's gone,

and we couldn't do anything about that.

and we couldn't do anything about that.

That is what was the frustration with David's death

That is what was the frustration with David's death

That is what was the frustration with David's death

for all of us.

for all of us.

- NARRATOR: By 2004,

- NARRATOR: By 2004,

three decades after Dennis Rader's first murder,

three decades after Dennis Rader's first murder,

the case had been declared cold.

the case had been declared cold.

the case had been declared cold.

But then the letters and other correspondence

But then the letters and other correspondence

flood into Wichita media outlets.

flood into Wichita media outlets.

flood into Wichita media outlets.

The BTK Strangler's ego and narcissism are his downfall.

The BTK Strangler's ego and narcissism are his downfall.

The BTK Strangler's ego and narcissism are his downfall.

Eventually the police trick him into sending

Eventually the police trick him into sending

a floppy disk to the newspaper.

a floppy disk to the newspaper.

Officers are able to trace the computer files

Officers are able to trace the computer files

Officers are able to trace the computer files

to a desktop machine

located at Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita.

located at Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita.

located at Christ Lutheran Church in Wichita.

Quickly, they identify the source:

Quickly, they identify the source:

Dennis Rader, president of the congregation council.

Dennis Rader, president of the congregation council.

Dennis Rader, president of the congregation council.

BTK is finally stopped.

BTK is finally stopped.

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- NARRATOR: In BTK's shocking court room confession,

- NARRATOR: In BTK's shocking court room confession,

he describes his methods of trolling,

he describes his methods of trolling,

then stalking his victims.

then stalking his victims.

Coldly, he refers to his targets as "projects."

Coldly, he refers to his targets as "projects."

Coldly, he refers to his targets as "projects."

Like Kathryn Bright, his sixth victim.

Like Kathryn Bright, his sixth victim.

Like Kathryn Bright, his sixth victim.

- I had many--what I call them, projects.

- I had many--what I call them, projects.

They were different people in the town

They were different people in the town

that I followed, watched.

that I followed, watched.

Kathryn Bright was one of the next targets.

Kathryn Bright was one of the next targets.

Anyway, that's--it just--was basically a selection process,

Anyway, that's--it just--was basically a selection process,

Anyway, that's--it just--was basically a selection process,

if it worked, it worked, if it didn't work,

I just moved on to something else.

I just moved on to something else.

- Part of the plea agreement was that he had to admit

- Part of the plea agreement was that he had to admit

to each of these cases in front of the families

to each of these cases in front of the families

of the victims, which he did.

And when he articulated that, it was almost like

And when he articulated that, it was almost like

he was reading a laundry list.

he was reading a laundry list.

he was reading a laundry list.

No emotion. No emotion.

No emotion. No emotion.

He talked about, "Well, I realized they saw me,

He talked about, "Well, I realized they saw me,

He talked about, "Well, I realized they saw me,

so I had to put 'em down."

so I had to put 'em down."

That's an expression used for animal control.

That's an expression used for animal control.

That's an expression used for animal control.

"Putting them down."

"Putting them down."

That's what he said, "I had to put 'em down."

That's what he said, "I had to put 'em down."

Just like that.

Just like that.

- NARRATOR: The psychopath's lack of sympathy

- NARRATOR: The psychopath's lack of sympathy

is clearly evident through BTK's 45-minute statement.

is clearly evident through BTK's 45-minute statement.

is clearly evident through BTK's 45-minute statement.

- I strangled her with a belt, I took the belt off

- I strangled her with a belt, I took the belt off

and re-tied them with pantyhose, real tight,

and re-tied them with pantyhose, real tight,

and in that time, um, masturbated, sir.

and in that time, um, masturbated, sir.

and in that time, um, masturbated, sir.

- NARRATOR: In August 2005, 60-year-old Dennis Rader

- NARRATOR: In August 2005, 60-year-old Dennis Rader

receives ten consecutive life sentences.

receives ten consecutive life sentences.

receives ten consecutive life sentences.

Sadistic serial killers may carry no remorse

Sadistic serial killers may carry no remorse

Sadistic serial killers may carry no remorse

or sympathy for their prey.

or sympathy for their prey.

But concerns for the victims and their families

But concerns for the victims and their families

must never be ignored.

must never be ignored.

- I--I think that when we talk about serial killing,

- I--I think that when we talk about serial killing,

- I--I think that when we talk about serial killing,

mass killing, spree killing, and you know,

mass killing, spree killing, and you know,

we become interested in understanding how people

we become interested in understanding how people

we become interested in understanding how people

can do these things and so forth,

fascinated, horrified, sometimes simultaneously.

fascinated, horrified, sometimes simultaneously.

fascinated, horrified, sometimes simultaneously.

What I have found often gets lost is the fact that

What I have found often gets lost is the fact that

What I have found often gets lost is the fact that

what we're talking about are crimes that involve

what we're talking about are crimes that involve

what we're talking about are crimes that involve

real human beings.

real human beings.

- DR. FOX: Given the fact that so many victims

- DR. FOX: Given the fact that so many victims

of serial killers are females,

of serial killers are females,

and they're younger women, um, I find it really difficult

and they're younger women, um, I find it really difficult

and they're younger women, um, I find it really difficult

to dissociate from that.

to dissociate from that.

When I see these crime scene photos,

When I see these crime scene photos,

when I read about what had happened to these women,

when I read about what had happened to these women,

oftentimes I think, "That could've been me,"

oftentimes I think, "That could've been me,"

or, "That woman looks like me,"

or, "That woman looks like me,"

and it's really difficult to not feel the pain,

and it's really difficult to not feel the pain,

and it's really difficult to not feel the pain,

to feel the fear that they must have felt when they were

to feel the fear that they must have felt when they were

about to go through these horrible experiences,

about to go through these horrible experiences,

and I just wanna be able to prevent this type of thing

and I just wanna be able to prevent this type of thing

and I just wanna be able to prevent this type of thing

from happening in the future.

from happening in the future.

- RICH: I think the right way to present these kinds of cases

- RICH: I think the right way to present these kinds of cases

is to see if there's something to learn from them.

is to see if there's something to learn from them.

is to see if there's something to learn from them.

I would like to see--whether it's David or BTK, um,

I would like to see--whether it's David or BTK, um,

I would like to see--whether it's David or BTK, um,

or anything else--a presentation of how does somebody...

or anything else--a presentation of how does somebody...

or anything else--a presentation of how does somebody...

or anything else--a presentation of how does somebody...

evolve into this? How does that happen?

evolve into this? How does that happen?

And is there anything that can be done to prevent it?

And is there anything that can be done to prevent it?

Because by doing so, you're literally saving

Because by doing so, you're literally saving

Because by doing so, you're literally saving

somebody's life somewhere.

somebody's life somewhere.

You don't know 'em, um, but they have a family, um,

You don't know 'em, um, but they have a family, um,

they're--they're important in their world

they're--they're important in their world

and they don't deserve to die, um,

and they don't deserve to die, um,

the way these women died.

the way these women died.

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