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These are the user uploaded subtitles that are being translated: 1 00:00:07,090 --> 00:00:10,760 GRADY COUNTY JAIL OKLAHOMA, 2019 2 00:00:11,011 --> 00:00:13,972 I was asked to bail Jeff out of jail two times. 3 00:00:14,848 --> 00:00:16,975 The very first time was when he beat up 4 00:00:17,058 --> 00:00:19,811 and strangled his first wife, Kathy Lowe. 5 00:00:20,395 --> 00:00:22,230 She went to confront him 6 00:00:22,313 --> 00:00:24,858 because he was being Mr. Showoff with Lauren, 7 00:00:24,941 --> 00:00:27,235 his mistress at that time. 8 00:00:27,318 --> 00:00:29,070 But he got violent with her. 9 00:00:31,406 --> 00:00:33,992 And then, the second time was in Vegas. 10 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:38,079 They caught him sneaking cubs into the hotels and shit. 11 00:00:40,915 --> 00:00:43,075 Lauren and I had leased a big home in Las Vegas. 12 00:00:43,626 --> 00:00:46,421 We had tigers in our house, and it got me in trouble. 13 00:00:47,213 --> 00:00:51,593 Animal control stormed the place like we were El Chapo, 14 00:00:51,676 --> 00:00:53,303 because I had two baby cats up there. 15 00:00:53,928 --> 00:00:55,930 The animals weren't all that was taken. 16 00:00:56,014 --> 00:01:00,477 Marshals impounded multiple semi-automatic handguns and rifles. 17 00:01:01,352 --> 00:01:02,562 You know what? 18 00:01:02,645 --> 00:01:06,232 I should've took that as a very strong warning. 19 00:01:06,316 --> 00:01:08,193 He is a predator. 20 00:01:08,276 --> 00:01:10,737 A hardcore predator. 21 00:01:12,614 --> 00:01:15,176 When Jeff Lowe came back from getting in trouble in Vegas 22 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:17,077 is when all hell broke loose. 23 00:01:18,661 --> 00:01:20,663 Ever since then, it's been a Jeff Lowe world, 24 00:01:20,747 --> 00:01:23,500 and that's when... it all went to hell. 25 00:01:31,132 --> 00:01:34,469 THE NOBLE THING TO DO 26 00:01:37,097 --> 00:01:39,724 Jeffrey Lowe, I am adjudicating you guilty 27 00:01:39,808 --> 00:01:43,645 and I'm ordering that you surrender any animals that were confiscated. 28 00:01:43,728 --> 00:01:45,105 You will stay out of trouble. 29 00:01:45,188 --> 00:01:47,649 That means no illegal activity. 30 00:01:47,732 --> 00:01:49,734 If you do that, at the end of the year, 31 00:01:49,818 --> 00:01:51,402 I will vacate the jail time. 32 00:01:51,486 --> 00:01:53,696 If not, you will serve the 179 days. 33 00:01:53,780 --> 00:01:55,490 Do you understand my order? 34 00:01:55,949 --> 00:01:56,949 I do. 35 00:02:06,292 --> 00:02:08,211 When Lauren and I came back from Las Vegas, 36 00:02:08,711 --> 00:02:11,673 Joe was locking me out of the online bank accounts. 37 00:02:12,757 --> 00:02:15,301 So we'd snuck back and went to the bank. 38 00:02:15,969 --> 00:02:17,887 I wanted 12 months' worth of bank statements 39 00:02:17,971 --> 00:02:19,771 because he wasn't providing me the statements. 40 00:02:20,557 --> 00:02:22,350 I went up to my cashier. 41 00:02:22,433 --> 00:02:25,153 She goes, "You all okay over there?" I said, "Yeah, why?" She goes... 42 00:02:25,895 --> 00:02:29,607 "Hmm." She goes, "I'm thinking that Joe was being investigated by somebody." 43 00:02:30,191 --> 00:02:32,944 And I looked at Lauren and I said, 44 00:02:33,027 --> 00:02:35,738 "By who?" And she goes, "There was a federal warrant." 45 00:02:36,322 --> 00:02:37,967 I said, "Really? Can you tell me what it was about?" 46 00:02:37,991 --> 00:02:40,410 She goes, "That's all I know. I don't know any more." 47 00:02:40,493 --> 00:02:42,871 So, the Feds were watching him. 48 00:02:48,418 --> 00:02:51,212 You're gonna get me in fucking trouble, Joe! 49 00:02:51,671 --> 00:02:54,340 - And I came here to save your ass! - How am I... 50 00:02:54,424 --> 00:02:58,720 You forged my name 20 fucking times on cashed checks. 51 00:02:58,803 --> 00:03:00,305 Just in that 12 months 52 00:03:00,388 --> 00:03:03,016 while he was running for the governor of Oklahoma, 53 00:03:03,725 --> 00:03:08,730 we found, I think, 88,000-some dollars in misappropriated spending. 54 00:03:08,813 --> 00:03:13,026 You're gonna do whatever the fuck you want without even asking me, and it's wrong! 55 00:03:13,109 --> 00:03:14,903 You are a shitty fucking partner. 56 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:17,030 So, I can put some of my money... 57 00:03:17,113 --> 00:03:18,281 I don't give a flying fuck! 58 00:03:18,364 --> 00:03:20,450 You lost that when you fucked with Carole Baskin. 59 00:03:20,533 --> 00:03:22,202 That's not my fault! 60 00:03:22,702 --> 00:03:23,828 It's your fault. 61 00:03:24,954 --> 00:03:28,041 You can't funnel and embezzle money! 62 00:03:28,291 --> 00:03:30,835 I came here to bail your ass out. 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,922 You would be fucking who knows where without me, 64 00:03:34,005 --> 00:03:35,965 and you even said it before I went to Las Vegas. 65 00:03:36,049 --> 00:03:37,383 You're not going to fuck me. 66 00:03:37,467 --> 00:03:40,678 You're not gonna put me in trouble and then treat me like shit. Asshole! 67 00:03:40,803 --> 00:03:43,097 I have everything covered, Jeff. 68 00:03:43,389 --> 00:03:46,851 He'd spent $60,000 in campaign brochures 69 00:03:46,935 --> 00:03:50,563 and printing and signs and t-shirts and condoms with his picture on it. 70 00:03:51,981 --> 00:03:53,316 It says campaign. 71 00:03:53,942 --> 00:03:54,943 Paid by the Park. 72 00:03:55,652 --> 00:03:57,445 That's illegal! 73 00:03:57,946 --> 00:03:59,864 And it's my ass! 74 00:04:00,323 --> 00:04:01,366 They already told me 75 00:04:01,449 --> 00:04:02,927 you're being investigated for something else, 76 00:04:02,951 --> 00:04:04,786 but they wouldn't tell me what it is, 77 00:04:04,869 --> 00:04:07,956 and when the shit hits the fan, I don't need another felony. 78 00:04:08,831 --> 00:04:10,833 Let's take off. I'll move. 79 00:04:11,209 --> 00:04:14,420 Move! Then do it, and I'll run this park the right way. 80 00:04:16,297 --> 00:04:18,633 Jeff Lowe was getting downright ugly... 81 00:04:19,676 --> 00:04:21,761 right there in front of everybody else. 82 00:04:24,138 --> 00:04:26,849 Right before Joe got kicked off the park, 83 00:04:27,850 --> 00:04:30,520 he took and burned all of the records 84 00:04:30,853 --> 00:04:34,023 because he didn't want us to be able to prove the embezzlement. 85 00:04:34,524 --> 00:04:38,236 Shit, I think he burned laptops. I think he burned transfer papers. 86 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:40,820 I'm sure Joe knew more than what he was telling me. 87 00:04:40,863 --> 00:04:43,950 I didn't have a clue where he was going, what he was gonna do. 88 00:04:44,701 --> 00:04:47,829 He comes in the office, distraught, tears in his eyes. 89 00:04:47,912 --> 00:04:50,415 Never seen this except for when Travis killed himself. 90 00:04:50,498 --> 00:04:52,917 Wipe all the computers, get outta here. 91 00:04:53,501 --> 00:04:55,712 He said, "I don't know what's about to happen, 92 00:04:55,795 --> 00:04:58,214 but Jeff Lowe's taken the park from me." 93 00:05:01,301 --> 00:05:04,470 The last two days, you could tell he was fixing to leave, to bolt, 94 00:05:04,554 --> 00:05:07,557 and he was trying to gather up anything he could get ahold of to sell. 95 00:05:08,308 --> 00:05:09,548 He really, really got paranoid, 96 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:11,978 like a little birdy had told him something's wrong. 97 00:05:15,773 --> 00:05:17,734 Joe had a truck come in here, 98 00:05:17,817 --> 00:05:19,977 so he could pick up animals in the middle of the night. 99 00:05:20,528 --> 00:05:22,905 - Okay. Here she comes, 'kay? - Back up. 100 00:05:22,989 --> 00:05:24,741 He shipped all them money cats out 101 00:05:24,824 --> 00:05:28,494 because they were all worth three and four thousand dollars apiece, 102 00:05:28,578 --> 00:05:30,246 and he shipped out quite a few. 103 00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:32,498 - My little gal. Good, good. - Come on, girl. 104 00:05:33,082 --> 00:05:35,251 We transported a bunch of different animals. 105 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:38,296 I took two baby tigers to California. 106 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:42,175 There was $5,000 exchanged in Branson, Missouri. 107 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,011 We thought we were helping Joe out. 108 00:05:45,094 --> 00:05:47,221 I mean, we didn't know everything going on. 109 00:05:47,305 --> 00:05:51,059 We thought Jeff literally was taking everything away from him. 110 00:06:00,151 --> 00:06:01,361 You got six minutes. 111 00:06:01,778 --> 00:06:04,072 - Six minutes before he... - Three ccs. 112 00:06:04,572 --> 00:06:05,948 I'm giving him five. 113 00:06:08,034 --> 00:06:10,370 - Keep him looking at you. - Come on, Bubba. 114 00:06:10,453 --> 00:06:12,053 - Attaboy. - Going right in his shoulder. 115 00:06:20,296 --> 00:06:21,296 I'm sorry. 116 00:06:23,341 --> 00:06:28,262 That was the last day that Joe was allowed in the park. 117 00:06:38,523 --> 00:06:42,193 I told Joe, "You come on this property again, I'll shoot you in the head." 118 00:06:43,444 --> 00:06:46,656 "He's threatening to kill me. If I come back, he's gonna kill me." 119 00:06:46,739 --> 00:06:48,939 You damn right. I would have killed him. 120 00:06:51,411 --> 00:06:55,706 Whatever Jeff Lowe told him scared the living hell out of him. 121 00:06:55,832 --> 00:06:58,292 Joe was gone. Just gone. 122 00:06:59,127 --> 00:07:01,587 He won't tell anybody where he's at, not even me, 123 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:06,217 and that's probably the last time I will ever see Joe Exotic. 124 00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:18,855 ♪ So this is goodbye ♪ 125 00:07:18,938 --> 00:07:22,483 ♪ And my last farewell ♪ 126 00:07:23,734 --> 00:07:28,239 ♪ To all of my fans ♪ 127 00:07:28,823 --> 00:07:33,077 ♪ You're my biggest thrill ♪ 128 00:07:34,036 --> 00:07:37,498 ♪ My biggest thrill ♪ 129 00:08:14,076 --> 00:08:17,830 There's just some things that I'd rather just be left unsaid. 130 00:08:18,206 --> 00:08:19,916 Some mistakes were made 131 00:08:19,999 --> 00:08:22,043 and some attitudes got out of hand. 132 00:08:22,710 --> 00:08:26,172 Rather than argue or be accused of stuff, 133 00:08:26,255 --> 00:08:28,466 I just decided to walk away. 134 00:08:30,134 --> 00:08:34,222 The cats were my responsibility, no matter who owns that zoo. 135 00:08:34,305 --> 00:08:38,142 'Cause I'm the one who bred him and brought him into this world. 136 00:08:39,018 --> 00:08:44,690 So I feel obligated that I need to make sure that he's safe and secure. 137 00:08:50,071 --> 00:08:52,782 DILLON PASSAGE JOE'S HUSBAND 138 00:08:58,246 --> 00:09:01,749 Get up. Get up, boy, and get some lunch. 139 00:09:01,832 --> 00:09:02,959 It's lunch. 140 00:09:04,210 --> 00:09:06,671 I'm glad to see him finally in his final spot. 141 00:09:06,754 --> 00:09:08,756 This is where they're gonna stay. 142 00:09:12,134 --> 00:09:13,553 You know, there was just... 143 00:09:13,636 --> 00:09:16,097 There was a lot of threats thrown around, and I just... 144 00:09:16,389 --> 00:09:18,224 would rather just get away. 145 00:09:19,934 --> 00:09:21,310 Got new phones, got... 146 00:09:21,394 --> 00:09:23,074 They can't track me. They can't do nothing. 147 00:09:24,146 --> 00:09:25,146 There you go. 148 00:09:28,734 --> 00:09:30,963 Joe, you don't seem like your regular self. 149 00:09:30,987 --> 00:09:36,242 Just... 20 years of blood, sweat, and tears, and every dime I had... 150 00:09:37,577 --> 00:09:40,037 - I am done. I'm done. - You're done. 151 00:09:44,250 --> 00:09:45,835 Who's the winner in this? 152 00:09:46,252 --> 00:09:48,629 - Is it Carole? Is it PETA? Is it Jeff? - Nobody. 153 00:09:48,713 --> 00:09:50,631 - Who? - In the long run, 154 00:09:50,715 --> 00:09:52,842 it's gonna be the animal rights people... 155 00:09:53,551 --> 00:09:54,927 are gonna be the winners of this, 156 00:09:55,011 --> 00:09:57,054 because they're gonna end up with the property 157 00:09:57,138 --> 00:09:59,223 because nobody can afford the lawyer bills. 158 00:10:00,016 --> 00:10:01,296 What about Carole? 159 00:10:02,977 --> 00:10:06,814 I still think that she deserves to sit in jail for killing her husband. 160 00:10:09,233 --> 00:10:10,818 But I truly believe in karma. 161 00:10:12,570 --> 00:10:14,739 And a few people got some karma coming. 162 00:10:38,346 --> 00:10:40,681 You all right, bud? You want some water? 163 00:10:41,849 --> 00:10:44,560 Joe was on the run, and he told everyone 164 00:10:44,644 --> 00:10:46,771 that Jeff had a hit out on him, 165 00:10:46,854 --> 00:10:49,440 and Jeff was gonna kill him, and that's why he left the park. 166 00:10:50,775 --> 00:10:53,444 You know, why does an innocent guy buy a burner phone? 167 00:10:55,988 --> 00:10:57,531 We tried to narrow down where he was, 168 00:10:58,199 --> 00:11:00,701 but we could just never pinpoint his location. 169 00:11:10,002 --> 00:11:11,837 You know, Joe cries victim, 170 00:11:11,921 --> 00:11:13,756 that everybody's trying to take my zoo, 171 00:11:13,839 --> 00:11:15,716 and everybody's trying to do this and that. 172 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:17,468 Jeff Lowe already owned the zoo. 173 00:11:17,551 --> 00:11:19,553 Joe just wanted to put it in somebody's name, 174 00:11:19,637 --> 00:11:23,474 and... and continue to be the tiger queen, I mean tiger king. 175 00:11:26,686 --> 00:11:30,731 He thought he was more powerful than anybody because he was Tiger King. 176 00:11:31,273 --> 00:11:33,234 But that was just all in his head. 177 00:11:33,317 --> 00:11:35,069 ALLEN GLOVER HANDYMAN | G.W. ZOO 178 00:11:35,152 --> 00:11:36,987 Among a bunch of other bad things. 179 00:11:42,410 --> 00:11:44,870 - Yeah. - Sorry. My phone cut out. 180 00:11:44,954 --> 00:11:46,497 Listen, I just went to the zoo. 181 00:11:46,580 --> 00:11:48,958 Yeah, they already called and said you'd been there. 182 00:11:49,041 --> 00:11:51,252 That's how fast word travels down here. 183 00:11:51,335 --> 00:11:52,420 Um, I'm gonna... 184 00:11:52,503 --> 00:11:55,297 I don't want anybody getting Jeff all riled up. 185 00:11:55,381 --> 00:11:56,215 All right. 186 00:11:56,298 --> 00:11:58,926 You don't understand These people are dangerous. 187 00:12:03,097 --> 00:12:04,890 What is it? It's not obvious? 188 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:06,809 You're not gonna notice, huh? Okay. 189 00:12:15,818 --> 00:12:18,070 Joe is the man who started this place... 190 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:19,864 about 20 years ago. 191 00:12:19,947 --> 00:12:22,158 And he has just recently retired. 192 00:12:22,241 --> 00:12:25,202 Now we have new owners, and they're awesome. 193 00:12:25,703 --> 00:12:28,038 I was a little nervous about it, I'll admit, 194 00:12:28,122 --> 00:12:32,126 but they are awesome and easygoing, so it's all good. 195 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,172 Customers would ask where Joe was. 196 00:12:36,255 --> 00:12:37,381 Is he coming back? 197 00:12:38,257 --> 00:12:39,300 "Oh, he retired..." 198 00:12:40,217 --> 00:12:42,845 is what the workers were told to say. 199 00:12:47,475 --> 00:12:48,768 As soon as he was gone, 200 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:53,439 anything and everything that had his image went on the burn pile. 201 00:12:54,774 --> 00:12:58,527 Word on the street is that Joe left to get his ass out of trouble. 202 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,907 The day after Joe left, 203 00:13:02,990 --> 00:13:05,117 Jeff and Lauren pulled together the morning meeting 204 00:13:05,201 --> 00:13:08,579 and they said, "Look, Joe Exotic is going down." 205 00:13:09,914 --> 00:13:15,878 Instantly, I just have an icy cold stabbing feeling going through my heart. 206 00:13:16,712 --> 00:13:20,466 It was just... "Christ Almighty, what has Joe gotten into?" 207 00:13:32,853 --> 00:13:34,271 Joe's MIA. 208 00:13:34,855 --> 00:13:37,375 - Lot of rumors going around he... - Wait, are you filming? 209 00:13:37,399 --> 00:13:38,879 - You're getting sound? - Yup. 210 00:13:38,943 --> 00:13:40,383 Somebody better be rolling. 211 00:13:42,738 --> 00:13:47,243 Joe used money from the zoo, running for president and governor. 212 00:13:48,077 --> 00:13:50,830 Is Joe nervous about that? I don't know. I mean... 213 00:13:51,121 --> 00:13:53,958 Only Joe knows the truth, so he's either nervous about that 214 00:13:54,041 --> 00:13:56,961 or he's nervous about getting his ass kicked, I don't know. 215 00:13:57,878 --> 00:13:59,421 What are some of the rumors? 216 00:14:00,881 --> 00:14:03,259 Supposedly, I guess he hired... 217 00:14:03,759 --> 00:14:07,847 he solicited somebody to kill Carole Baskin. 218 00:14:08,931 --> 00:14:12,184 I'm just saying this from hearsay because I don't know for a fact. 219 00:14:13,102 --> 00:14:16,105 I'm almost positive that's why the Feds are sniffing around. 220 00:14:17,314 --> 00:14:19,900 I mean, we've all said it. "Somebody needs to kill the bitch." 221 00:14:19,984 --> 00:14:22,653 I can't tell you how many times everybody said it. 222 00:14:22,736 --> 00:14:24,738 You know, nobody's ever just really said 223 00:14:25,197 --> 00:14:27,324 how they're gonna kill 'em. They just said, 224 00:14:27,408 --> 00:14:30,244 "I wish somebody'd kill that bitch. I wish the bitch was dead." 225 00:14:30,911 --> 00:14:32,955 - You just heard it a lot. - From who? 226 00:14:33,038 --> 00:14:34,456 From all... I mean, from everybody. 227 00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,167 I've even said it before. I wish the bitch were dead. 228 00:14:43,382 --> 00:14:46,135 There was times that Joe would joke around about it, 229 00:14:46,218 --> 00:14:48,178 about taking out Carole Baskin. 230 00:14:48,679 --> 00:14:50,806 Joe had some pretty twisted ideas, 231 00:14:50,890 --> 00:14:54,310 but... I just took it as jokes. 232 00:14:56,937 --> 00:15:00,774 Do I believe that Joe hired someone to kill someone? No. 233 00:15:01,358 --> 00:15:03,819 No, Joe doesn't have that in him, one bit. 234 00:15:04,486 --> 00:15:07,323 But do I believe that Joe had a conversation with someone 235 00:15:07,406 --> 00:15:11,493 and said, "Man, I wish Carole was dead"? Absolutely. He said it a hundred times. 236 00:15:13,495 --> 00:15:16,332 One time I was in the park, and Joe's talking to me. 237 00:15:16,415 --> 00:15:19,710 He says, "Hey, I hear you can take care of a problem for me in Florida." 238 00:15:20,336 --> 00:15:22,814 I said, "What problem would that be?" He said, "Carole Baskin." 239 00:15:22,838 --> 00:15:24,214 I said, "No, I can't. 240 00:15:25,132 --> 00:15:26,258 I can't and I won't." 241 00:15:27,635 --> 00:15:30,137 Being around him, and I was around him quite a bit, 242 00:15:30,471 --> 00:15:31,680 you see sides of him. 243 00:15:34,016 --> 00:15:37,937 When I do become psychotic, that's my "going to Tampa" gun. 244 00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:43,370 You really couldn't tell with Joe 245 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,527 if he was serious or wasn't serious half the time. 246 00:15:46,362 --> 00:15:49,281 Do you think Joe was acting entirely alone? 247 00:15:49,406 --> 00:15:52,201 Some people who were working with Joe were criminals. 248 00:15:53,035 --> 00:15:54,495 Jeff Lowe is a felon. 249 00:15:55,079 --> 00:15:56,872 He's done numerous things. 250 00:15:57,456 --> 00:16:00,000 I know he strangled his first wife in the past. 251 00:16:01,168 --> 00:16:03,796 Allen, Jeff Lowe's right-hand man, he's a felon. 252 00:16:04,797 --> 00:16:07,591 I don't know for a fact, but James Garretson ought to be a felon. 253 00:16:08,175 --> 00:16:11,095 Not only did he get in trouble for pulling a gun on somebody, 254 00:16:11,178 --> 00:16:13,180 this the same man that sold me a stolen Hummer... 255 00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,267 and till this day, I still think there's a case pending 256 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:19,103 in Garvin county over it. 257 00:16:21,146 --> 00:16:23,107 They're just all crooked, you know? 258 00:16:23,190 --> 00:16:25,275 There's a bunch of rats in the neighborhood. 259 00:16:44,378 --> 00:16:46,797 - James. What's happening? - What's going on? 260 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:47,965 Not much. 261 00:16:49,425 --> 00:16:51,218 - How's business? - It's not bad. 262 00:16:51,844 --> 00:16:53,554 It's a grind like everything else. 263 00:16:54,513 --> 00:16:55,639 Just grind, grind, grind. 264 00:16:56,932 --> 00:17:00,686 I heard that Joe tried to hire someone to kill Carole. 265 00:17:00,769 --> 00:17:03,647 He's been trying to get somebody to kill Carole for years, all right? 266 00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:05,524 When Jeff came along... 267 00:17:06,066 --> 00:17:08,527 everybody thought Jeff was this multi-millionaire 268 00:17:08,610 --> 00:17:11,280 and had all this money... Blah, blah. 269 00:17:11,822 --> 00:17:15,659 And whenever Jeff got around, Joe got a big head and... 270 00:17:16,577 --> 00:17:17,577 those two... 271 00:17:18,412 --> 00:17:19,772 were trying to get Carole whacked. 272 00:17:19,830 --> 00:17:21,832 Why are you so convinced of that? 273 00:17:21,915 --> 00:17:23,542 Because I was the only one there. 274 00:17:23,917 --> 00:17:25,461 You were actually there? 275 00:17:25,627 --> 00:17:26,462 Yeah. 276 00:17:26,545 --> 00:17:29,798 The first time I met and discussed the whole murder for hire, 277 00:17:30,466 --> 00:17:32,051 we were sitting in the meeting. 278 00:17:32,217 --> 00:17:35,304 Joe is in his little office back there. Jeff Lowe is right here, 279 00:17:35,387 --> 00:17:37,765 and they were talking about the easiest way to kill Carole. 280 00:17:38,432 --> 00:17:41,810 Hey, all you cool cats and kittens, it's Carole from Big Cat Rescue and I... 281 00:17:41,894 --> 00:17:44,605 It was a day where she was riding her bicycle down a bicycle path, 282 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:47,524 and she's riding like the Wicked Witch of the West, 283 00:17:47,608 --> 00:17:48,968 and Joe says, "Look at this bitch. 284 00:17:49,026 --> 00:17:52,863 She rides this entire bike trail and there's nobody around." 285 00:17:52,946 --> 00:17:55,425 He says, "That's where you gotta hit her. That's where I gotta get her. 286 00:17:55,449 --> 00:17:57,929 Somebody take a shot from the bushes, and get her right there." 287 00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:01,330 And then Jeff Lowe goes to Google Earth and... 288 00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:04,625 shows the bike path right by Big Cat Rescue and stuff. 289 00:18:05,417 --> 00:18:08,837 And he's like, "You can sit right here and then shoot her while she's riding." 290 00:18:09,379 --> 00:18:12,633 So Jeff Lowe knew more about the schematics than anything. 291 00:18:13,801 --> 00:18:15,803 That was because I was the only one smart enough 292 00:18:15,886 --> 00:18:19,014 to bring up the picture on Google Earth and show it to Travis. 293 00:18:19,598 --> 00:18:22,935 Travis says, "I can shoot her from there, I can shoot her from there." Joe's like, 294 00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:25,229 "You're not shooting her because you're my husband 295 00:18:25,312 --> 00:18:26,552 and you'll go to jail forever." 296 00:18:27,606 --> 00:18:30,109 I was back at my desk minding my own business... 297 00:18:31,401 --> 00:18:33,362 because none of that's on my computer. 298 00:18:33,821 --> 00:18:34,863 It's all Jeff Lowe, 299 00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:39,535 but Jeff Lowe's had time to remove that all from his computer now. 300 00:18:41,912 --> 00:18:43,956 Joe talked about killing this woman... 301 00:18:44,039 --> 00:18:47,042 if it wasn't a daily basis, it was definitely every week. 302 00:18:47,376 --> 00:18:49,461 He says, "Well, the bitch still lives another day," 303 00:18:49,545 --> 00:18:51,672 and he says, "I'll find somebody." 304 00:18:51,755 --> 00:18:53,298 He just wasn't shy about it. 305 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,133 Well... 306 00:18:55,175 --> 00:18:56,802 Joe brought it up several times. 307 00:18:57,261 --> 00:18:59,429 Did I know anybody that could kill the lady? 308 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,558 I just put it off, as y'know, bullshit. 309 00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:05,686 I came in the office one day, and he's like, 310 00:19:06,019 --> 00:19:07,521 "I got this crossbow. 311 00:19:08,063 --> 00:19:10,858 You could use this on her nature trail, wherever she walks. 312 00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:13,610 You could shoot her with this, nobody'd ever see you." 313 00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,070 I'm like, "What the fuck?" 314 00:19:15,529 --> 00:19:18,282 Okay, I can see me walking around Florida with a fucking... 315 00:19:18,574 --> 00:19:21,368 camouflage suit on, okay. But a fucking crossbow? 316 00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:22,911 Gimme a break. 317 00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:26,331 Allen Glover, he's an old time employee of Jeff. Jeff knows him real well. 318 00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:29,459 Supposedly since he has a teardrop tattoo, 319 00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:31,545 he's killed somebody before. 320 00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:33,714 Joe came to me one day. 321 00:19:33,797 --> 00:19:36,359 Just out of the blue he says, "You think Allen can kill somebody?" 322 00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:39,469 I said, "Is he capable of it?" I said, "Of course. Who's not?" 323 00:19:39,928 --> 00:19:42,848 I said, "I'll cut her fucking head off for ya if you want." 324 00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:44,308 And he was all into that. 325 00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,394 I said, "Would you like me to bring it back?" 326 00:19:47,603 --> 00:19:49,563 "No, no, get rid of it in the swamp!" 327 00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,356 I was like, "Okay... 328 00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:53,774 Will do." 329 00:19:58,488 --> 00:20:01,450 So Joe put a picture of her property on Facebook 330 00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:03,952 and it said, "Finally found where the bitch lives." 331 00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:06,538 What the fuck are you doing, you know? What are you, stupid? 332 00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:07,915 I love the cute hat! 333 00:20:08,415 --> 00:20:10,768 Truth be told, it'd be better for the animal industry 334 00:20:10,792 --> 00:20:11,627 if Carole was dead. 335 00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,295 Little hearts on the bottom. 336 00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:18,770 But it started to concern me enough 337 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,055 when I realized that Joe has become a complete liability. 338 00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:26,808 We're not done yet. We're still gonna dig up Carole's ass. 339 00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:28,310 Before I'm done with this, 340 00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:30,604 I'm gonna have the bitch's head in a jar. 341 00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:33,690 Joe probably thought I was loyal to him and I would never turn on him. 342 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:36,985 I told Lauren, I said, "You know what? I'm calling James Garretson 343 00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,737 and I want to meet." 344 00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:43,533 So Jeff Lowe decided, "Hey, let's meet at Applebee's." 345 00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:47,329 Jeff Lowe claims Joe's doing all this illegal stuff. 346 00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:51,250 He said, "I want to get rid of that zoo. I want to get out of that headache." 347 00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:56,880 And I said, "Call Carole Baskin and tell her for half a million bucks, 348 00:20:56,964 --> 00:20:58,715 I will hand her Joe on a silver platter 349 00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,676 with all the crimes I know he's committed." 350 00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:05,055 I said, "Sure I'll do it." He offered me $100,000 to do it. 351 00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:10,310 Carole's phone rang and saw that it was the 405 number 352 00:21:10,394 --> 00:21:11,770 and did not answer it, 353 00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:15,440 and then a text came in that said, 354 00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:19,194 "If you want information against Joe, return the call." 355 00:21:19,903 --> 00:21:22,572 We sent that to the law enforcement. 356 00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:26,034 I waited another day, and then I get a call. 357 00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:27,618 I'm like, "Who is this?" 358 00:21:27,869 --> 00:21:31,290 And he says, "I'm special agent Matt Brown, US Fish and Wildlife." 359 00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:33,708 I'm like, "Really?" 360 00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:37,313 Special agents of the Fish and Wildlife Service 361 00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:39,631 have very similar powers to FBI agents. 362 00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,915 It's just they're mostly focused on animals, not people. 363 00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:45,095 This agent shows up here at my shop. 364 00:21:45,178 --> 00:21:46,178 We talk. 365 00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:49,182 He's like, "You're in a lot of fucking trouble." 366 00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,285 For what reason? 367 00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:51,309 Well, here's the deal. 368 00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:53,312 I don't have anything to do with any of this. 369 00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:55,155 Other than the lemur I got my ass in a pinch, 370 00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:57,691 and the Feds fucking twisted my arm over that and shit. 371 00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:01,611 I had bought a lemur with bogus paperwork. 372 00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:04,448 They said, you know, I'm probably going to get a charge. 373 00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,616 My lawyer told me, 374 00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,037 "You got to do what they want. They got your fucking ass hammered." 375 00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,580 I don't agree with the laws. 376 00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:13,749 I hate the fucking USDA. 377 00:22:14,082 --> 00:22:15,500 I don't like the government. 378 00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,502 That's me personally, but... 379 00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:19,838 What do you fucking do? 380 00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:22,174 I thought about it for a couple weeks, 381 00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:24,468 and I was like, "Do I want to get involved in this?" 382 00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:26,970 And I thought it was the noble thing to do. 383 00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:30,766 So, I signed up to be a confidential informant. 384 00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:39,107 I was told to record all conversations with Joe and Jeff. 385 00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:42,986 Had to keep track of 'em and figure out what they were planning. 386 00:22:49,576 --> 00:22:51,995 Who is James Garretson in all of this, 387 00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:53,914 and why is he working for the Feds? 388 00:22:58,418 --> 00:22:59,418 What? 389 00:23:03,673 --> 00:23:05,717 That's news for me. 390 00:23:08,011 --> 00:23:10,430 I would say James Garretson's involvement 391 00:23:10,555 --> 00:23:13,058 is to get himself out of trouble, if he's involved. 392 00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:16,978 He's got so much on him, he don't know how he was going to get out of it, 393 00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:19,856 so he come up with all this undercover stuff 394 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:21,733 just to cover his own ass. 395 00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:24,986 This has nothing to do with that lemur. 396 00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:30,117 James is the mastermind behind illegal credit cards. 397 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,869 He sold John Reinke a stolen Hummer. 398 00:23:33,036 --> 00:23:36,206 As far as I know they could've busted him with a whole bunch of stolen shit. 399 00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:39,418 Everything about him is a lie. 400 00:23:40,043 --> 00:23:43,630 The man is just a walking Chucky doll, dude. 401 00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:47,303 If I stole a Hummer, don't you think I'd be charged? Come on. 402 00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:49,845 The guy's delusional. 403 00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:57,602 So back in 2017, Joe was just running for office. 404 00:23:57,686 --> 00:23:59,187 Everybody looked at him like a clown. 405 00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:01,648 He could put his face on billboards, 406 00:24:01,731 --> 00:24:05,944 have a limousine to carry himself around, he can be the big hero, 407 00:24:06,236 --> 00:24:08,822 but he's really trying to find somebody to kill Carole Baskin. 408 00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:14,786 All I knew 409 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:17,747 is Joe had already picked Allen Glover for the hit. 410 00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,668 So I told the FBI Glover was gonna actually do it. 411 00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:26,173 Nobody at the park knew about the undercover stuff. 412 00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:27,465 Not even Jeff Lowe. 413 00:24:29,092 --> 00:24:29,968 TAMPA, FLORIDA 414 00:24:30,051 --> 00:24:32,471 I was sitting at my desk when the phone rang, 415 00:24:33,096 --> 00:24:34,723 and it was the FBI. 416 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:38,310 They felt there was an effort by Joe to kill Carole. 417 00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,812 So when I'm told, "Well there's a credible threat now," 418 00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,648 I'm like, "There's been a credible threat all this time. 419 00:24:43,732 --> 00:24:46,318 You just caught on to it in the last few days." 420 00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:50,030 We were aware that this was a possibility. It's just that call 421 00:24:50,530 --> 00:24:52,282 seriously elevated this. 422 00:24:52,365 --> 00:24:54,367 DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE 423 00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:05,212 We reached out to Ms. Baskin in, I want to say, November of 2017. 424 00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:07,631 And this was at the point where we'd heard 425 00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:10,050 some recorded phone calls and conversations 426 00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:13,970 between Mr. Garretson and Mr. Maldonado-Passage 427 00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:17,307 indicating that there was, in fact, a plot coming together. 428 00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:21,186 If Mr. Glover was leaving to commit this murder, 429 00:25:22,062 --> 00:25:23,813 Mr. Garretson would have knowledge of that. 430 00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:27,150 First I heard that Glover was gonna knife her. 431 00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:30,362 And then I heard a gun. Joe, he didn't really get into detail. 432 00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,448 I think he was just leaving that up to the hit man. 433 00:25:35,951 --> 00:25:38,995 And when I talked to Glover, Glover was mean and nasty. 434 00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:42,958 He said, "If anybody at the park rats me out, or whatever, 435 00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,085 I'll kill every one of these motherfuckers." 436 00:25:47,128 --> 00:25:49,631 And he was drinking a lot, doing a lot of cocaine. 437 00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:51,299 When you're in that state... 438 00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,635 and he didn't have anything to lose, you know? 439 00:25:54,302 --> 00:25:55,345 The plan was... 440 00:25:55,428 --> 00:25:56,888 Hide. Hunt. 441 00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:58,557 Find this woman. 442 00:25:59,474 --> 00:26:02,310 And Joe fucking put his trust in me to do it. 443 00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:07,682 Carole stopped riding her bicycle to and from. 444 00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:09,985 We put in security cameras. 445 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,945 We kept guns by the bed, 446 00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,197 and we carried guns in our car. 447 00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,701 I got out of my car to get gas 448 00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:20,245 and this guy starts coming toward me. 449 00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:22,330 The whole time he's approaching me 450 00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,624 I'm thinking, "At what point is he close enough 451 00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:27,294 that I should just turn this gas nozzle into his face?" 452 00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,356 And naturally, if someone is approaching you, 453 00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:33,425 now you're thinking, "Could this be the hit man?" 454 00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:37,220 And then Allen Glover disappeared. 455 00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:42,142 Fish and Game guys were like, "Fuck, what's going on?" 456 00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:48,940 They didn't want him to get down there and kill Carole 457 00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,817 because they knew about it. 458 00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,068 They could arrest him. 459 00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:55,780 I had heard through the whistle-blowers 460 00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:59,200 that one of Joe's tacks that he would take against me 461 00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,286 would be to drug me with ketamine, 462 00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:03,246 which is a paralyzing agent 463 00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,707 so that they could put me into the back of a car 464 00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,334 and drive me out into a swamp, 465 00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:09,502 where they could cut my body into pieces. 466 00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:14,275 We were just trying to track Glover's whereabouts, 467 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:17,093 like where he's at. Was he down in Tampa? 468 00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,262 But he's not responding. 469 00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:23,099 So it was a big shit show. 470 00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:33,443 I knew that he was out there. 471 00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:35,862 I knew that he was deranged. 472 00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:39,115 I knew that somebody really wants me dead. 473 00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:43,536 There was a noise out on our porch, 474 00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,039 which is right outside where our bed is. 475 00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:48,792 It sounded like someone had broken through the screen, 476 00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:52,337 and I woke up to see Carole there, holding her gun, 477 00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,341 - and it turned out to be two... - Dang near shot the neighbor's dog. 478 00:27:58,968 --> 00:28:01,179 You don't have to worry about the barking dog 479 00:28:01,262 --> 00:28:02,931 so much as the one that's quiet. 480 00:28:03,932 --> 00:28:05,684 Those are the people that worry me. 481 00:28:10,188 --> 00:28:12,565 Eventually, I made contact with Allen Glover. 482 00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:16,319 I was just supposed to small talk with him. 483 00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,572 No matter what I really said, just to keep him talking. 484 00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:23,326 All the text messages were given to the government. 485 00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,246 GOING BACK HOME 486 00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:29,165 TIRED OF THIS SHIT. 487 00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:36,214 The conversation that had occurred with Mr. Glover 488 00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:38,299 seemed to indicate that plot was over. 489 00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,845 Mr. Glover was just going back home to South Carolina, 490 00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:44,764 and the agents agreed this plot had fallen apart. 491 00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:51,438 Apparently, I chickened the fuck out and didn't make it there. 492 00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:53,732 I started partying instead. 493 00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,570 I was pretty fucking scatterbrained. 494 00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:03,950 It's fucked up, the way things happened, but it happened out for the best. 495 00:29:07,203 --> 00:29:09,456 At that point, the case stopped. 496 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,959 Glover ended up in a totally different state. 497 00:29:16,629 --> 00:29:17,922 In murder for hire, 498 00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:21,468 the federal prosecutors don't wanna bring a case 499 00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,845 unless it's rock solid, 500 00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:25,764 and to get to that point, 501 00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:28,933 things have to happen like transfer of money. 502 00:29:30,351 --> 00:29:32,351 I thought the plot stopped with Glover, 503 00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:35,815 but the Feds wanted me to put in an undercover agent. 504 00:29:37,066 --> 00:29:38,818 I picked him up, we rode in my car. 505 00:29:39,402 --> 00:29:41,362 I was like, "Hey, Joe, this is my guy. 506 00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,573 This is the guy who will whack Carole for you." 507 00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:45,867 "Really? How much?" 508 00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:49,162 They did discuss various details 509 00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:51,289 that Mr. Passage should buy some burner phones, 510 00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:55,543 or that Mr. Passage should obtain an unregistered pistol from a flea market, 511 00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:58,755 and that he would pay him some upfront money. 512 00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:02,634 We started out at 5,000 down and 5,000 when she's dead. 513 00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,137 "Well, let me sell some tigers, and I'll get you $10,000." 514 00:30:06,721 --> 00:30:07,806 He was negotiating. 515 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,891 He was trying to get the best deal. 516 00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:12,852 They discussed in detail: 517 00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:16,439 "Follow her into a parking lot, cap her, and drive off." 518 00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,443 They had the talk, and then they negotiated the price, 519 00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:22,487 and... that was the wrap. 520 00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:27,158 But why did you need a special agent to pose as a hit man? 521 00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:29,536 That was gonna be the nail in the coffin... 522 00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,789 but there was supposed to be payment. 523 00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:35,128 The government doesn't have any evidence 524 00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:38,753 that Mr. Passage actually obtained any of the phones or the pistol, 525 00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,089 and certainly that he did not give any money 526 00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:43,049 to the undercover agent. 527 00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:46,302 Over the ensuing months, 528 00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:49,013 I would just check in with the FBI 529 00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:53,059 and make sure that this was still active and happening. 530 00:30:53,726 --> 00:30:55,854 We kept waiting for the arrest, 531 00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:58,147 but there were months where nothing happened. 532 00:30:59,899 --> 00:31:02,735 It just dragged on forever, and it wasn't gonna happen. 533 00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:06,865 So we all thought they backed off the plan. 534 00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:15,123 So about the same time that the FBI was waiting on Joe, 535 00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,501 Jeff was dealing with all the problems in Vegas. 536 00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:22,046 I am adjudicating you guilty. 537 00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:23,381 You will stay out of trouble. 538 00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:25,967 That means no illegal activity. 539 00:31:26,301 --> 00:31:28,553 If not, you will serve the 179 days. 540 00:31:28,636 --> 00:31:30,430 Do you understand my orders? 541 00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:31,930 I do. 542 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,062 The judge says, "Stay out of trouble for a year." 543 00:31:38,646 --> 00:31:40,648 We loaded up stuff and we left. 544 00:31:42,525 --> 00:31:44,402 When we came back here from Las Vegas, 545 00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,114 I had one of my semi-daily conversations with James Garretson. 546 00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:50,717 'Cause we were kind of close at the time. We talked quite a bit. 547 00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:53,244 I told Jeff some things that were in confidence. 548 00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:54,328 Like what? 549 00:31:54,787 --> 00:31:57,665 I said, "I'm working undercover with the Feds and Fish and Game." 550 00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:03,796 I told him that they already knew about the plan to kill Carole Baskin. 551 00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:06,090 They knew everybody involved. 552 00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,218 And I said, "Why haven't they come to me?" 553 00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:11,429 And he says, "They want to." 554 00:32:11,512 --> 00:32:13,890 I asked him if he wanted to cooperate and he said... 555 00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,142 I'm dying to talk to them and tell them what I know. 556 00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,062 When Jeff Lowe got in trouble in Las Vegas, 557 00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:21,564 he was looking at jail time there and a big fine. 558 00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:24,543 I promise you, he's trying to squash that bullshit in Las Vegas 559 00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:26,569 by feeding them Joe. I mean, 560 00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:29,280 there's a motive behind their madness, I promise you. 561 00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:32,408 I trusted James. 562 00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:36,120 And he said, "Look, they asked me to bring Joe a hit man," 563 00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:37,956 and had Joe 564 00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:41,584 pulled a five dollar bill out of his pocket as a deposit... 565 00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:45,672 that would have been the impetus to storm the park, 566 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,175 but because he didn't commit the overt act of... 567 00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:51,803 of actually paying, 568 00:32:52,303 --> 00:32:53,513 they had to wait. 569 00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:57,725 It was right after that I told James 570 00:32:57,809 --> 00:32:59,644 that the day before Allen left, 571 00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,189 Joe paid him to go kill Carole. 572 00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:06,484 James brought the FBI, 573 00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:08,653 and I started spilling my guts. 574 00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:12,323 The Feds had me call Allen 575 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:15,034 and try to find out Allen's side of the story. 576 00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,305 And he says, "Can you get me immunity?" I said, "I can't." 577 00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:20,206 I said, "That's not my position." I said, 578 00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,458 "But the closest thing you're gonna get to immunity 579 00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:24,168 is if you come back and help these guys," 580 00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:27,880 I said, "because they don't want you, they want Joe." 581 00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:33,386 - They know all about Joe. - Right. 582 00:33:33,803 --> 00:33:36,097 What I recommend strongly... 583 00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:38,467 You don't wanna be on Joe's side when this comes down. 584 00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:39,910 You wanna be on the government's side. 585 00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:41,811 - I gotcha. - What that... What that means... 586 00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:43,604 is you've gotta tell me, like, 587 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,691 when he, I don't wanna put any words in your mouth, so... 588 00:33:46,983 --> 00:33:50,153 like, let's just say from the very first time he approached you, 589 00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,530 what he said, and I'll let you go. 590 00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:53,948 He would ask me, "Hey bro, 591 00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:56,409 "you know anybody to go kill that woman for me?" 592 00:33:56,492 --> 00:33:58,327 What did he offer in exchange? 593 00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,956 Well, he was supposed to give me $5,000 cash to leave with. 594 00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:05,251 But it's your understanding, when he gave you that money, 595 00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:09,714 he did it for the purpose of you going down to Tampa and killing Carole Baskin. 596 00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,466 Yeah, he gave me three grand. 597 00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:14,552 Supposed to get $5,000, but he only got three. 598 00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:16,637 But that wasn't about the fucking money. 599 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,222 It was about fucking him over. 600 00:34:22,643 --> 00:34:24,854 Allen is Jeff's right-hand man. 601 00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:28,149 That's what makes no sense to all this. 602 00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:30,985 I'm going to hire a $3,000 crackhead to kill her? 603 00:34:31,986 --> 00:34:35,281 But I knew something was going to come down sooner or later 604 00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:38,910 because Jeff and James was con-artist buddies. 605 00:34:39,702 --> 00:34:40,870 They record everything. 606 00:34:40,953 --> 00:34:42,914 Because that's how they blackmail you. 607 00:34:42,997 --> 00:34:43,997 You're fucked. 608 00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:47,335 And you know how you thought James recorded you? You're right. 609 00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:48,753 You are going to jail. 610 00:34:49,128 --> 00:34:51,005 You'll hide all of this shit. 611 00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,424 And then just tell me what you want me to hear. 612 00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,384 What am I hiding? 613 00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,931 You paid somebody to kill Carole Baskin. 614 00:35:00,014 --> 00:35:01,933 That is not what I was talking about. 615 00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:06,062 When I started asking him about where the money came from for the hit man, 616 00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:08,606 you know, he didn't want to answer, he just turned his head. 617 00:35:08,689 --> 00:35:10,849 I think that was the straw that broke the camel's back. 618 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,419 Not that he wasn't already planning on leaving, 619 00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:14,612 but that's why he packed up and left. 620 00:35:17,824 --> 00:35:21,077 The government did not know that Mr. Glover had, in fact, 621 00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,829 been given money by Mr. Passage, 622 00:35:22,912 --> 00:35:26,082 that he had given him a cellphone with photos of Carole Baskin. 623 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:31,254 None of that was known to the government until July of 2018. 624 00:35:32,004 --> 00:35:34,132 That was obviously new information, 625 00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:36,384 and we indicted him. 626 00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:40,096 During the summer of 2018, 627 00:35:40,179 --> 00:35:44,225 Mr. Passage had moved to a house within Oklahoma 628 00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:48,229 and then rapidly broken his lease, packed up his things, and moved. 629 00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:52,191 His social media posts seemed to be designed to indicate 630 00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:55,278 that he was in Belize and that he was not where he was. 631 00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:59,490 I had seen online all the pictures showing that they were in Belize. 632 00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:02,410 I figured it was because he didn't want to be around any of it, 633 00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,704 and he was hiding from everybody. 634 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,420 Before the Feds even said anything, 635 00:36:07,456 --> 00:36:10,585 I knew the picture in Belize was bullshit. 636 00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:13,546 I was like, "That's Florida water. 637 00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:15,047 That's Panhandle water." 638 00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:17,091 We all knew they were in Florida. 639 00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:20,191 The Feds want you, they're gonna get you. 640 00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:21,761 You can't hide. 641 00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,978 The Fish and Wildlife and FBI had obtained phone numbers 642 00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:32,231 that were believed to be associated with Mr. Passage, 643 00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:35,693 and they do what they call pinging his phones off of cell towers 644 00:36:35,776 --> 00:36:37,570 to try to determine his location. 645 00:36:41,782 --> 00:36:44,660 And with the assistance of some local law enforcement, 646 00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:46,495 he was arrested in a parking lot. 647 00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:50,249 He said, "At 10:45, I pull into the hospital parking lot, 648 00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,627 parked the truck and as I'm approaching the main entrance, 649 00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:54,712 five cars and trucks surround me, 650 00:36:54,837 --> 00:36:57,715 and one Gulf Breeze officer screams, 'Get on the ground.' 651 00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:01,677 Three large officers kneel on my back 652 00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:04,055 and all you could see is the barrel of the gun. 653 00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:09,352 You would've thought they just caught Ted Bundy." 654 00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:15,066 "Somehow, some way, I'm going to make this up to you. 655 00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:17,526 I've never been more proud of being married to anyone 656 00:37:18,152 --> 00:37:19,570 as I am of you. Let's hope... 657 00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,367 Let's hope this all works out in Oklahoma. 658 00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:25,993 Just never forget I love you." 659 00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,469 What would you say to Joe now 660 00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,819 - if you could talk to him about... - I would just hug him. 661 00:37:34,168 --> 00:37:35,368 You know, that's what he needs. 662 00:37:35,419 --> 00:37:39,090 He doesn't have any contact, and he's a very affectionate man. 663 00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:44,512 So I would definitely just hug him as tight as I could. 664 00:37:46,847 --> 00:37:49,558 Hey, everyone. It's Carole at Big Cat Rescue. 665 00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:53,271 Today, Joseph Schreibvogel-Maldonado-Passage, 666 00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,147 also known as Joe Exotic, 667 00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:58,818 was arrested for seeking to hire someone to murder me. 668 00:37:58,901 --> 00:38:03,614 We are enormously grateful to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service, 669 00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:08,286 the FBI for the many months of incredibly hard work 670 00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:10,746 that went into this investigation. 671 00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:14,583 KARMA 672 00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:20,881 Joseph Maldonado-Passage, perhaps better known as Joe Exotic... 673 00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:22,425 - Joe Exotic... - Joe Exotic... 674 00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:23,384 Joe Exotic... 675 00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,970 The well-known 55-year-old former zoo owner 676 00:38:26,053 --> 00:38:27,305 was taken into custody today. 677 00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:29,765 Maldonado-Passage is being held without bond 678 00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:33,352 and was appointed a public defender by a federal magistrate judge today. 679 00:38:33,436 --> 00:38:35,146 A court date has not yet been set. 680 00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:36,480 This pisses me off. 681 00:38:37,815 --> 00:38:39,275 He thinks he's above the law. 682 00:38:41,068 --> 00:38:43,268 I just can't believe he actually paid somebody to do it. 683 00:38:47,366 --> 00:38:48,366 NEW AT 10:00 684 00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:51,662 Hiya, Miss Silva, this is Joe Exotic 685 00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:55,499 from your local jail in Chickasha, Oklahoma. 686 00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:58,627 Joe Exotic makes good TV. He makes good news. 687 00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:00,880 Even if it's a train wreck, you can't help but look. 688 00:39:01,797 --> 00:39:06,052 They strip you butt naked, put you in a six-by-eight-foot concrete room 689 00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:09,722 with no windows, no blankets, no nothing. 690 00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,059 I am supposed to be in this country, 691 00:39:13,225 --> 00:39:14,643 born, raised... 692 00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:16,729 innocent until proven guilty. 693 00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:22,443 And I've been stripped off my clothes, my rights, my identity, my dignity. 694 00:39:22,526 --> 00:39:24,570 You can't get him to stop talking, 695 00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:27,281 and if the cameras are rolling, even better. 696 00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:30,618 Maldonado-Passage tells me he has a mountain of evidence 697 00:39:30,701 --> 00:39:32,328 that will prove he was framed. 698 00:39:32,411 --> 00:39:35,289 He says he's just counting down the days to his trial 699 00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:37,792 so he can tell his side of the story. 700 00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:39,919 Oh, I know what happened. 701 00:39:40,002 --> 00:39:42,505 I've got three felons that want my zoo. 702 00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:54,892 We are starting fresh, all brand new stuff. 703 00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,561 Brand new attitudes. New employees. 704 00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:01,565 The reputation of this zoo will be just dragged through the mud 705 00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:03,609 with this whole Joe fiasco. 706 00:40:04,693 --> 00:40:06,112 I want to get away from this... 707 00:40:06,862 --> 00:40:09,281 Joe Exotic-haunted place. 708 00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:12,618 So we're building a new zoo. 709 00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:17,790 I envision a great big four or five million dollar zoo right now. 710 00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:21,144 Jeff Lowe asked me if I wanted to be part of the new zoo. 711 00:40:21,168 --> 00:40:22,312 I told him where I would build a zoo. 712 00:40:22,336 --> 00:40:24,380 I'd build a zoo down in Thackerville by the WinStar, 713 00:40:24,463 --> 00:40:25,863 so it's closer to the Texas border. 714 00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:27,967 Oklahoma's poor. 715 00:40:28,175 --> 00:40:30,386 You're gonna get all your customers from Texas anyways. 716 00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,431 We found almost 40 acres 717 00:40:33,764 --> 00:40:35,891 about one mile behind the WinStar casino. 718 00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,438 Everything is gonna be huge, it's gonna be open, 719 00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:43,482 it's gonna be the best that our money can afford. 720 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,485 We're gonna build that zoo in six months. 721 00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:51,240 Once we move, it'll be a whole different ballgame. 722 00:40:51,323 --> 00:40:53,075 Everybody will be comfortable. 723 00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,535 It won't be no bullshit. 724 00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,412 It will be nice. 725 00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:58,456 Not like with Joe. 726 00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,040 God, I hate that bitch. 727 00:41:03,335 --> 00:41:04,670 Well, when I was told... 728 00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:07,047 the FBI was involved, I went, 729 00:41:07,506 --> 00:41:09,091 "Holy fucking shit." 730 00:41:10,092 --> 00:41:12,761 They went there and took my story like three different times 731 00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:14,680 to make sure it was fuckin' accurate 732 00:41:14,763 --> 00:41:17,892 before they took it to the grand jury or jury or whatever the hell it is. 733 00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:19,992 And all I did is like Jeff told me to do 734 00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,341 is just come and tell them exactly what the fuck happened. 735 00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:25,774 And... thank God I did. 736 00:41:27,776 --> 00:41:29,862 I'd be sitting in there with fucking Joe. 737 00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:34,366 Let me show and tell the whole thing. 738 00:41:34,783 --> 00:41:36,076 Because then you'll get it. 739 00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:40,498 Then you'll say, "Jesus fucking Christ, why are you in jail?" 740 00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:27,396 Subtitle translation by61262

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