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GRADY COUNTY JAIL
OKLAHOMA, 2019
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I was asked to bail
Jeff out of jail two times.
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The very first time was when he beat up
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and strangled his first wife, Kathy Lowe.
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She went to confront him
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because he was being
Mr. Showoff with Lauren,
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his mistress at that time.
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But he got violent with her.
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And then, the second time was in Vegas.
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They caught him sneaking cubs
into the hotels and shit.
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Lauren and I had leased a big home
in Las Vegas.
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We had tigers in our house,
and it got me in trouble.
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Animal control stormed the place
like we were El Chapo,
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because I had two baby cats up there.
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The animals weren't all that was taken.
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Marshals impounded multiple
semi-automatic handguns and rifles.
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You know what?
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I should've took that
as a very strong warning.
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He is a predator.
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A hardcore predator.
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When Jeff Lowe came back
from getting in trouble in Vegas
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is when all hell broke loose.
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Ever since then,
it's been a Jeff Lowe world,
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and that's when... it all went to hell.
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THE NOBLE THING TO DO
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Jeffrey Lowe, I am adjudicating you guilty
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and I'm ordering that you surrender
any animals that were confiscated.
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You will stay out of trouble.
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That means no illegal activity.
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If you do that, at the end of the year,
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I will vacate the jail time.
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If not, you will serve the 179 days.
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Do you understand my order?
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I do.
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When Lauren and I came back
from Las Vegas,
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Joe was locking me out of
the online bank accounts.
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So we'd snuck back and went to the bank.
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I wanted 12 months' worth
of bank statements
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because he wasn't providing me
the statements.
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I went up to my cashier.
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She goes, "You all okay over there?"
I said, "Yeah, why?" She goes...
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"Hmm." She goes, "I'm thinking that Joe
was being investigated by somebody."
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And I looked at Lauren and I said,
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"By who?" And she goes,
"There was a federal warrant."
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I said, "Really? Can you tell me
what it was about?"
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She goes, "That's all I know.
I don't know any more."
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So, the Feds were watching him.
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You're gonna get me
in fucking trouble, Joe!
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- And I came here to save your ass!
- How am I...
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You forged my name 20 fucking times
on cashed checks.
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Just in that 12 months
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while he was running
for the governor of Oklahoma,
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we found, I think, 88,000-some dollars
in misappropriated spending.
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You're gonna do whatever the fuck you want
without even asking me, and it's wrong!
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You are a shitty fucking partner.
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So, I can put some of my money...
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I don't give a flying fuck!
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You lost that when you fucked
with Carole Baskin.
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That's not my fault!
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It's your fault.
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You can't funnel and embezzle money!
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I came here to bail your ass out.
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You would be fucking who knows where
without me,
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and you even said it
before I went to Las Vegas.
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You're not going to fuck me.
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You're not gonna put me in trouble
and then treat me like shit. Asshole!
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I have everything covered, Jeff.
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He'd spent $60,000 in campaign brochures
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and printing and signs and t-shirts
and condoms with his picture on it.
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It says campaign.
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Paid by the Park.
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That's illegal!
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And it's my ass!
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They already told me
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you're being investigated
for something else,
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but they wouldn't tell me what it is,
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and when the shit hits the fan,
I don't need another felony.
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Let's take off. I'll move.
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Move! Then do it,
and I'll run this park the right way.
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Jeff Lowe was getting downright ugly...
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right there in front of everybody else.
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Right before Joe got kicked off the park,
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he took and burned all of the records
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because he didn't want us to be able
to prove the embezzlement.
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Shit, I think he burned laptops.
I think he burned transfer papers.
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I'm sure Joe knew more
than what he was telling me.
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I didn't have a clue where he was going,
what he was gonna do.
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He comes in the office,
distraught, tears in his eyes.
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Never seen this
except for when Travis killed himself.
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Wipe all the computers, get outta here.
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He said, "I don't know
what's about to happen,
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but Jeff Lowe's taken the park from me."
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The last two days, you could tell
he was fixing to leave, to bolt,
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and he was trying to gather up anything
he could get ahold of to sell.
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He really, really got paranoid,
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like a little birdy had told him
something's wrong.
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Joe had a truck come in here,
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so he could pick up animals
in the middle of the night.
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- Okay. Here she comes, 'kay?
- Back up.
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He shipped all them money cats out
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because they were all worth
three and four thousand dollars apiece,
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and he shipped out quite a few.
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- My little gal. Good, good.
- Come on, girl.
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We transported a bunch of
different animals.
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I took two baby tigers to California.
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There was $5,000 exchanged
in Branson, Missouri.
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We thought we were helping Joe out.
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I mean,
we didn't know everything going on.
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We thought Jeff literally
was taking everything away from him.
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You got six minutes.
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- Six minutes before he...
- Three ccs.
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I'm giving him five.
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- Keep him looking at you.
- Come on, Bubba.
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- Attaboy.
- Going right in his shoulder.
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I'm sorry.
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That was the last day
that Joe was allowed in the park.
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I told Joe, "You come on this property
again, I'll shoot you in the head."
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"He's threatening to kill me.
If I come back, he's gonna kill me."
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You damn right. I would have killed him.
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Whatever Jeff Lowe told him
scared the living hell out of him.
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Joe was gone. Just gone.
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He won't tell anybody
where he's at, not even me,
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and that's probably the last time
I will ever see Joe Exotic.
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♪ So this is goodbye ♪
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♪ And my last farewell ♪
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♪ To all of my fans ♪
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♪ You're my biggest thrill ♪
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♪ My biggest thrill ♪
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There's just some things
that I'd rather just be left unsaid.
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Some mistakes were made
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and some attitudes got out of hand.
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Rather than argue
or be accused of stuff,
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I just decided to walk away.
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The cats were my responsibility,
no matter who owns that zoo.
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'Cause I'm the one who bred him
and brought him into this world.
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So I feel obligated that I need
to make sure that he's safe and secure.
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DILLON PASSAGE
JOE'S HUSBAND
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Get up.
Get up, boy, and get some lunch.
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It's lunch.
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I'm glad to see him finally
in his final spot.
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This is where they're gonna stay.
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You know, there was just...
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There was a lot of threats thrown around,
and I just...
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would rather just get away.
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Got new phones, got...
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They can't track me.
They can't do nothing.
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There you go.
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Joe, you don't seem like
your regular self.
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Just... 20 years of blood, sweat,
and tears, and every dime I had...
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- I am done. I'm done.
- You're done.
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Who's the winner in this?
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- Is it Carole? Is it PETA? Is it Jeff?
- Nobody.
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- Who?
- In the long run,
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it's gonna be the animal rights people...
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are gonna be the winners of this,
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because they're gonna end up
with the property
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because nobody can afford
the lawyer bills.
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What about Carole?
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I still think that she deserves
to sit in jail for killing her husband.
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But I truly believe in karma.
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And a few people got some karma coming.
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You all right, bud?
You want some water?
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Joe was on the run, and he told everyone
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that Jeff had a hit out on him,
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and Jeff was gonna kill him,
and that's why he left the park.
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You know, why does an innocent guy
buy a burner phone?
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We tried to narrow down where he was,
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but we could just never
pinpoint his location.
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You know, Joe cries victim,
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that everybody's trying to take my zoo,
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and everybody's trying to do this
and that.
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Jeff Lowe already owned the zoo.
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Joe just wanted to put it in
somebody's name,
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and... and continue to be the tiger queen,
I mean tiger king.
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He thought he was more powerful
than anybody because he was Tiger King.
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But that was just all in his head.
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ALLEN GLOVER
HANDYMAN | G.W. ZOO
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Among a bunch of other bad things.
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- Yeah.
- Sorry. My phone cut out.
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Listen, I just went to the zoo.
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Yeah, they already called
and said you'd been there.
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That's how fast word travels down here.
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Um, I'm gonna...
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I don't want anybody getting Jeff
all riled up.
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All right.
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You don't understand
These people are dangerous.
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What is it? It's not obvious?
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You're not gonna notice, huh? Okay.
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Joe is the man who started this place...
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about 20 years ago.
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And he has just recently retired.
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Now we have new owners,
and they're awesome.
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I was a little nervous about it,
I'll admit,
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but they are awesome
and easygoing, so it's all good.
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Customers would ask where Joe was.
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Is he coming back?
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"Oh, he retired..."
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is what the workers were told to say.
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As soon as he was gone,
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anything and everything that had his image
went on the burn pile.
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Word on the street is that Joe left
to get his ass out of trouble.
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The day after Joe left,
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Jeff and Lauren pulled together
the morning meeting
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and they said,
"Look, Joe Exotic is going down."
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Instantly, I just have an icy cold
stabbing feeling going through my heart.
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It was just... "Christ Almighty,
what has Joe gotten into?"
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Joe's MIA.
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- Lot of rumors going around he...
- Wait, are you filming?
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- You're getting sound?
- Yup.
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Somebody better be rolling.
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Joe used money from the zoo,
running for president and governor.
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Is Joe nervous about that?
I don't know. I mean...
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Only Joe knows the truth,
so he's either nervous about that
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or he's nervous about
getting his ass kicked, I don't know.
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What are some of the rumors?
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Supposedly, I guess he hired...
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he solicited somebody
to kill Carole Baskin.
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I'm just saying this from hearsay
because I don't know for a fact.
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I'm almost positive
that's why the Feds are sniffing around.
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I mean, we've all said it.
"Somebody needs to kill the bitch."
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I can't tell you how many times
everybody said it.
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You know, nobody's ever just really said
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how they're gonna kill 'em.
They just said,
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"I wish somebody'd kill that bitch.
I wish the bitch was dead."
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- You just heard it a lot.
- From who?
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From all... I mean, from everybody.
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I've even said it before.
I wish the bitch were dead.
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There was times
that Joe would joke around about it,
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about taking out Carole Baskin.
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Joe had some pretty twisted ideas,
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but... I just took it as jokes.
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Do I believe that Joe
hired someone to kill someone? No.
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No, Joe doesn't have that in him, one bit.
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But do I believe that
Joe had a conversation with someone
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and said, "Man, I wish Carole was dead"?
Absolutely. He said it a hundred times.
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One time I was in the park,
and Joe's talking to me.
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He says, "Hey, I hear you can take care of
a problem for me in Florida."
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I said, "What problem would that be?"
He said, "Carole Baskin."
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I said, "No, I can't.
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I can't and I won't."
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Being around him,
and I was around him quite a bit,
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you see sides of him.
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When I do become psychotic,
that's my "going to Tampa" gun.
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You really couldn't tell with Joe
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if he was serious
or wasn't serious half the time.
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Do you think Joe was acting
entirely alone?
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Some people who were working
with Joe were criminals.
248
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Jeff Lowe is a felon.
249
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He's done numerous things.
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I know he strangled his first wife
in the past.
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Allen, Jeff Lowe's right-hand man,
he's a felon.
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I don't know for a fact,
but James Garretson ought to be a felon.
253
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Not only did he get in trouble
for pulling a gun on somebody,
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this the same man
that sold me a stolen Hummer...
255
00:16:14,515 --> 00:16:17,267
and till this day,
I still think there's a case pending
256
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in Garvin county over it.
257
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They're just all crooked, you know?
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There's a bunch of rats
in the neighborhood.
259
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- James. What's happening?
- What's going on?
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Not much.
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- How's business?
- It's not bad.
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It's a grind like everything else.
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Just grind, grind, grind.
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00:16:56,932 --> 00:17:00,686
I heard that Joe tried to hire someone
to kill Carole.
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He's been trying to get somebody
to kill Carole for years, all right?
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When Jeff came along...
267
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everybody thought Jeff was
this multi-millionaire
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and had all this money... Blah, blah.
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And whenever Jeff got around,
Joe got a big head and...
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those two...
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were trying to get Carole whacked.
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Why are you so convinced of that?
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Because I was the only one there.
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You were actually there?
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Yeah.
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The first time I met
and discussed the whole murder for hire,
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we were sitting in the meeting.
278
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Joe is in his little office back there.
Jeff Lowe is right here,
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and they were talking about
the easiest way to kill Carole.
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Hey, all you cool cats and kittens,
it's Carole from Big Cat Rescue and I...
281
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It was a day where she was riding
her bicycle down a bicycle path,
282
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and she's riding like
the Wicked Witch of the West,
283
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and Joe says, "Look at this bitch.
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She rides this entire bike trail
and there's nobody around."
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He says, "That's where you gotta hit her.
That's where I gotta get her.
286
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Somebody take a shot from the bushes,
and get her right there."
287
00:17:58,410 --> 00:18:01,330
And then Jeff Lowe goes
to Google Earth and...
288
00:18:01,914 --> 00:18:04,625
shows the bike path
right by Big Cat Rescue and stuff.
289
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And he's like, "You can sit right here
and then shoot her while she's riding."
290
00:18:09,379 --> 00:18:12,633
So Jeff Lowe knew more about
the schematics than anything.
291
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That was because
I was the only one smart enough
292
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to bring up the picture on Google Earth
and show it to Travis.
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Travis says, "I can shoot her from there,
I can shoot her from there." Joe's like,
294
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"You're not shooting her
because you're my husband
295
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and you'll go to jail forever."
296
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I was back at my desk
minding my own business...
297
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because none of that's on my computer.
298
00:18:33,821 --> 00:18:34,863
It's all Jeff Lowe,
299
00:18:35,489 --> 00:18:39,535
but Jeff Lowe's had time
to remove that all from his computer now.
300
00:18:41,912 --> 00:18:43,956
Joe talked about
killing this woman...
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if it wasn't a daily basis,
it was definitely every week.
302
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He says, "Well, the bitch still lives
another day,"
303
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and he says, "I'll find somebody."
304
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He just wasn't shy about it.
305
00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,133
Well...
306
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Joe brought it up several times.
307
00:18:57,261 --> 00:18:59,429
Did I know anybody
that could kill the lady?
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I just put it off, as y'know, bullshit.
309
00:19:03,559 --> 00:19:05,686
I came in the office one day,
and he's like,
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"I got this crossbow.
311
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You could use this on her nature trail,
wherever she walks.
312
00:19:10,941 --> 00:19:13,610
You could shoot her with this,
nobody'd ever see you."
313
00:19:13,694 --> 00:19:15,070
I'm like, "What the fuck?"
314
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Okay, I can see me walking
around Florida with a fucking...
315
00:19:18,574 --> 00:19:21,368
camouflage suit on, okay.
But a fucking crossbow?
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00:19:21,618 --> 00:19:22,911
Gimme a break.
317
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:26,331
Allen Glover, he's an old time employee
of Jeff. Jeff knows him real well.
318
00:19:26,415 --> 00:19:29,459
Supposedly since he has a teardrop tattoo,
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00:19:30,127 --> 00:19:31,545
he's killed somebody before.
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00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:33,714
Joe came to me one day.
321
00:19:33,797 --> 00:19:36,359
Just out of the blue he says,
"You think Allen can kill somebody?"
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00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:39,469
I said, "Is he capable of it?"
I said, "Of course. Who's not?"
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I said, "I'll cut her fucking head off
for ya if you want."
324
00:19:42,931 --> 00:19:44,308
And he was all into that.
325
00:19:45,184 --> 00:19:47,394
I said, "Would you like me
to bring it back?"
326
00:19:47,603 --> 00:19:49,563
"No, no, get rid of it in the swamp!"
327
00:19:49,980 --> 00:19:51,356
I was like, "Okay...
328
00:19:52,774 --> 00:19:53,774
Will do."
329
00:19:58,488 --> 00:20:01,450
So Joe put a picture
of her property on Facebook
330
00:20:01,533 --> 00:20:03,952
and it said,
"Finally found where the bitch lives."
331
00:20:04,036 --> 00:20:06,538
What the fuck are you doing, you know?
What are you, stupid?
332
00:20:06,622 --> 00:20:07,915
I love the cute hat!
333
00:20:08,415 --> 00:20:10,768
Truth be told,
it'd be better for the animal industry
334
00:20:10,792 --> 00:20:11,627
if Carole was dead.
335
00:20:11,710 --> 00:20:13,295
Little hearts on the bottom.
336
00:20:17,090 --> 00:20:18,770
But it started to concern me enough
337
00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:23,055
when I realized that Joe has become
a complete liability.
338
00:20:23,472 --> 00:20:26,808
We're not done yet.
We're still gonna dig up Carole's ass.
339
00:20:26,892 --> 00:20:28,310
Before I'm done with this,
340
00:20:28,393 --> 00:20:30,604
I'm gonna have the bitch's head in a jar.
341
00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:33,690
Joe probably thought I was loyal to him
and I would never turn on him.
342
00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:36,985
I told Lauren, I said, "You know what?
I'm calling James Garretson
343
00:20:37,069 --> 00:20:38,737
and I want to meet."
344
00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:43,533
So Jeff Lowe decided,
"Hey, let's meet at Applebee's."
345
00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:47,329
Jeff Lowe claims
Joe's doing all this illegal stuff.
346
00:20:47,955 --> 00:20:51,250
He said, "I want to get rid of that zoo.
I want to get out of that headache."
347
00:20:53,168 --> 00:20:56,880
And I said, "Call Carole Baskin
and tell her for half a million bucks,
348
00:20:56,964 --> 00:20:58,715
I will hand her Joe on a silver platter
349
00:20:58,799 --> 00:21:00,676
with all the crimes
I know he's committed."
350
00:21:02,219 --> 00:21:05,055
I said, "Sure I'll do it."
He offered me $100,000 to do it.
351
00:21:06,306 --> 00:21:10,310
Carole's phone rang
and saw that it was the 405 number
352
00:21:10,394 --> 00:21:11,770
and did not answer it,
353
00:21:11,853 --> 00:21:15,440
and then a text came in that said,
354
00:21:15,524 --> 00:21:19,194
"If you want information against Joe,
return the call."
355
00:21:19,903 --> 00:21:22,572
We sent that to the law enforcement.
356
00:21:23,824 --> 00:21:26,034
I waited another day,
and then I get a call.
357
00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:27,618
I'm like, "Who is this?"
358
00:21:27,869 --> 00:21:31,290
And he says, "I'm special agent
Matt Brown, US Fish and Wildlife."
359
00:21:32,708 --> 00:21:33,708
I'm like, "Really?"
360
00:21:35,127 --> 00:21:37,313
Special agents
of the Fish and Wildlife Service
361
00:21:37,337 --> 00:21:39,631
have very similar powers to FBI agents.
362
00:21:39,715 --> 00:21:41,915
It's just they're mostly focused
on animals, not people.
363
00:21:42,843 --> 00:21:45,095
This agent shows up here at my shop.
364
00:21:45,178 --> 00:21:46,178
We talk.
365
00:21:46,847 --> 00:21:49,182
He's like,
"You're in a lot of fucking trouble."
366
00:21:49,266 --> 00:21:50,285
For what reason?
367
00:21:50,309 --> 00:21:51,309
Well, here's the deal.
368
00:21:51,351 --> 00:21:53,312
I don't have anything to do
with any of this.
369
00:21:53,395 --> 00:21:55,155
Other than the lemur
I got my ass in a pinch,
370
00:21:55,188 --> 00:21:57,691
and the Feds fucking twisted my arm
over that and shit.
371
00:21:58,692 --> 00:22:01,611
I had bought a lemur with bogus paperwork.
372
00:22:02,029 --> 00:22:04,448
They said, you know,
I'm probably going to get a charge.
373
00:22:04,990 --> 00:22:06,616
My lawyer told me,
374
00:22:06,700 --> 00:22:10,037
"You got to do what they want.
They got your fucking ass hammered."
375
00:22:10,120 --> 00:22:11,580
I don't agree with the laws.
376
00:22:11,663 --> 00:22:13,749
I hate the fucking USDA.
377
00:22:14,082 --> 00:22:15,500
I don't like the government.
378
00:22:15,625 --> 00:22:17,502
That's me personally, but...
379
00:22:18,587 --> 00:22:19,838
What do you fucking do?
380
00:22:20,005 --> 00:22:22,174
I thought about it for a couple weeks,
381
00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:24,468
and I was like,
"Do I want to get involved in this?"
382
00:22:24,843 --> 00:22:26,970
And I thought it was
the noble thing to do.
383
00:22:27,429 --> 00:22:30,766
So, I signed up to be
a confidential informant.
384
00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:39,107
I was told to record
all conversations with Joe and Jeff.
385
00:22:39,775 --> 00:22:42,986
Had to keep track of 'em and figure out
what they were planning.
386
00:22:49,576 --> 00:22:51,995
Who is James Garretson in all of this,
387
00:22:52,079 --> 00:22:53,914
and why is he working for the Feds?
388
00:22:58,418 --> 00:22:59,418
What?
389
00:23:03,673 --> 00:23:05,717
That's news for me.
390
00:23:08,011 --> 00:23:10,430
I would say James Garretson's involvement
391
00:23:10,555 --> 00:23:13,058
is to get himself out of trouble,
if he's involved.
392
00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:16,978
He's got so much on him, he don't know
how he was going to get out of it,
393
00:23:17,062 --> 00:23:19,856
so he come up with
all this undercover stuff
394
00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:21,733
just to cover his own ass.
395
00:23:22,484 --> 00:23:24,986
This has nothing to do
with that lemur.
396
00:23:25,779 --> 00:23:30,117
James is the mastermind
behind illegal credit cards.
397
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,869
He sold John Reinke a stolen Hummer.
398
00:23:33,036 --> 00:23:36,206
As far as I know they could've busted him
with a whole bunch of stolen shit.
399
00:23:37,165 --> 00:23:39,418
Everything about him is a lie.
400
00:23:40,043 --> 00:23:43,630
The man is just
a walking Chucky doll, dude.
401
00:23:44,423 --> 00:23:47,303
If I stole a Hummer,
don't you think I'd be charged? Come on.
402
00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:49,845
The guy's delusional.
403
00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:57,602
So back in 2017,
Joe was just running for office.
404
00:23:57,686 --> 00:23:59,187
Everybody looked at him like a clown.
405
00:24:00,105 --> 00:24:01,648
He could put his face on billboards,
406
00:24:01,731 --> 00:24:05,944
have a limousine to carry himself around,
he can be the big hero,
407
00:24:06,236 --> 00:24:08,822
but he's really trying to find somebody
to kill Carole Baskin.
408
00:24:13,660 --> 00:24:14,786
All I knew
409
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:17,747
is Joe had already picked Allen Glover
for the hit.
410
00:24:18,331 --> 00:24:21,668
So I told the FBI
Glover was gonna actually do it.
411
00:24:23,628 --> 00:24:26,173
Nobody at the park knew about
the undercover stuff.
412
00:24:26,465 --> 00:24:27,465
Not even Jeff Lowe.
413
00:24:29,092 --> 00:24:29,968
TAMPA, FLORIDA
414
00:24:30,051 --> 00:24:32,471
I was sitting at my desk
when the phone rang,
415
00:24:33,096 --> 00:24:34,723
and it was the FBI.
416
00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:38,310
They felt there was an effort by Joe
to kill Carole.
417
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,812
So when I'm told,
"Well there's a credible threat now,"
418
00:24:40,896 --> 00:24:43,648
I'm like, "There's been a credible threat
all this time.
419
00:24:43,732 --> 00:24:46,318
You just caught on to it
in the last few days."
420
00:24:46,401 --> 00:24:50,030
We were aware that this was a possibility.
It's just that call
421
00:24:50,530 --> 00:24:52,282
seriously elevated this.
422
00:24:52,365 --> 00:24:54,367
DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE
423
00:25:00,207 --> 00:25:05,212
We reached out to Ms. Baskin
in, I want to say, November of 2017.
424
00:25:05,629 --> 00:25:07,631
And this was at the point where we'd heard
425
00:25:07,714 --> 00:25:10,050
some recorded phone calls
and conversations
426
00:25:10,133 --> 00:25:13,970
between Mr. Garretson
and Mr. Maldonado-Passage
427
00:25:14,054 --> 00:25:17,307
indicating that there was, in fact,
a plot coming together.
428
00:25:18,183 --> 00:25:21,186
If Mr. Glover was leaving
to commit this murder,
429
00:25:22,062 --> 00:25:23,813
Mr. Garretson would have knowledge
of that.
430
00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:27,150
First I heard
that Glover was gonna knife her.
431
00:25:27,234 --> 00:25:30,362
And then I heard a gun.
Joe, he didn't really get into detail.
432
00:25:31,321 --> 00:25:33,448
I think he was just leaving that
up to the hit man.
433
00:25:35,951 --> 00:25:38,995
And when I talked to Glover,
Glover was mean and nasty.
434
00:25:39,371 --> 00:25:42,958
He said, "If anybody at the park
rats me out, or whatever,
435
00:25:43,041 --> 00:25:45,085
I'll kill every one
of these motherfuckers."
436
00:25:47,128 --> 00:25:49,631
And he was drinking a lot,
doing a lot of cocaine.
437
00:25:49,756 --> 00:25:51,299
When you're in that state...
438
00:25:51,383 --> 00:25:53,635
and he didn't have anything to lose,
you know?
439
00:25:54,302 --> 00:25:55,345
The plan was...
440
00:25:55,428 --> 00:25:56,888
Hide. Hunt.
441
00:25:57,389 --> 00:25:58,557
Find this woman.
442
00:25:59,474 --> 00:26:02,310
And Joe fucking put his trust in me
to do it.
443
00:26:05,522 --> 00:26:07,682
Carole stopped riding her bicycle
to and from.
444
00:26:08,233 --> 00:26:09,985
We put in security cameras.
445
00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,945
We kept guns by the bed,
446
00:26:12,362 --> 00:26:14,197
and we carried guns in our car.
447
00:26:15,865 --> 00:26:17,701
I got out of my car to get gas
448
00:26:18,368 --> 00:26:20,245
and this guy starts coming toward me.
449
00:26:20,704 --> 00:26:22,330
The whole time he's approaching me
450
00:26:22,414 --> 00:26:24,624
I'm thinking,
"At what point is he close enough
451
00:26:24,708 --> 00:26:27,294
that I should just turn this gas nozzle
into his face?"
452
00:26:28,253 --> 00:26:30,356
And naturally,
if someone is approaching you,
453
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:33,425
now you're thinking,
"Could this be the hit man?"
454
00:26:34,801 --> 00:26:37,220
And then Allen Glover disappeared.
455
00:26:39,180 --> 00:26:42,142
Fish and Game guys were like,
"Fuck, what's going on?"
456
00:26:46,271 --> 00:26:48,940
They didn't want him to get down there
and kill Carole
457
00:26:49,441 --> 00:26:50,817
because they knew about it.
458
00:26:50,900 --> 00:26:52,068
They could arrest him.
459
00:26:53,486 --> 00:26:55,780
I had heard through the whistle-blowers
460
00:26:55,864 --> 00:26:59,200
that one of Joe's tacks
that he would take against me
461
00:26:59,284 --> 00:27:01,286
would be to drug me with ketamine,
462
00:27:01,369 --> 00:27:03,246
which is a paralyzing agent
463
00:27:03,330 --> 00:27:05,707
so that they could put me
into the back of a car
464
00:27:05,790 --> 00:27:07,334
and drive me out into a swamp,
465
00:27:07,417 --> 00:27:09,502
where they could cut my body into pieces.
466
00:27:11,838 --> 00:27:14,275
We were just trying to track
Glover's whereabouts,
467
00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:17,093
like where he's at. Was he down in Tampa?
468
00:27:17,594 --> 00:27:19,262
But he's not responding.
469
00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:23,099
So it was a big shit show.
470
00:27:31,775 --> 00:27:33,443
I knew that he was out there.
471
00:27:33,777 --> 00:27:35,862
I knew that he was deranged.
472
00:27:36,821 --> 00:27:39,115
I knew that somebody really wants me dead.
473
00:27:40,950 --> 00:27:43,536
There was a noise out on our porch,
474
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:46,039
which is right outside where our bed is.
475
00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:48,792
It sounded like
someone had broken through the screen,
476
00:27:48,917 --> 00:27:52,337
and I woke up to see Carole there,
holding her gun,
477
00:27:53,046 --> 00:27:56,341
- and it turned out to be two...
- Dang near shot the neighbor's dog.
478
00:27:58,968 --> 00:28:01,179
You don't have to worry about
the barking dog
479
00:28:01,262 --> 00:28:02,931
so much as the one that's quiet.
480
00:28:03,932 --> 00:28:05,684
Those are the people that worry me.
481
00:28:10,188 --> 00:28:12,565
Eventually, I made contact
with Allen Glover.
482
00:28:14,025 --> 00:28:16,319
I was just supposed to small talk
with him.
483
00:28:17,070 --> 00:28:19,572
No matter what I really said,
just to keep him talking.
484
00:28:20,824 --> 00:28:23,326
All the text messages were given
to the government.
485
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:26,246
GOING BACK HOME
486
00:28:26,329 --> 00:28:29,165
TIRED OF THIS SHIT.
487
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:36,214
The conversation
that had occurred with Mr. Glover
488
00:28:36,297 --> 00:28:38,299
seemed to indicate that plot was over.
489
00:28:39,092 --> 00:28:41,845
Mr. Glover was just going back home
to South Carolina,
490
00:28:41,928 --> 00:28:44,764
and the agents agreed
this plot had fallen apart.
491
00:28:48,184 --> 00:28:51,438
Apparently, I chickened the fuck out
and didn't make it there.
492
00:28:52,355 --> 00:28:53,732
I started partying instead.
493
00:28:56,735 --> 00:28:58,570
I was pretty fucking scatterbrained.
494
00:29:00,405 --> 00:29:03,950
It's fucked up, the way things happened,
but it happened out for the best.
495
00:29:07,203 --> 00:29:09,456
At that point, the case stopped.
496
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,959
Glover ended up
in a totally different state.
497
00:29:16,629 --> 00:29:17,922
In murder for hire,
498
00:29:18,006 --> 00:29:21,468
the federal prosecutors
don't wanna bring a case
499
00:29:21,551 --> 00:29:23,845
unless it's rock solid,
500
00:29:24,220 --> 00:29:25,764
and to get to that point,
501
00:29:26,306 --> 00:29:28,933
things have to happen
like transfer of money.
502
00:29:30,351 --> 00:29:32,351
I thought the plot stopped with Glover,
503
00:29:32,687 --> 00:29:35,815
but the Feds wanted me to put in
an undercover agent.
504
00:29:37,066 --> 00:29:38,818
I picked him up, we rode in my car.
505
00:29:39,402 --> 00:29:41,362
I was like, "Hey, Joe, this is my guy.
506
00:29:41,446 --> 00:29:43,573
This is the guy
who will whack Carole for you."
507
00:29:44,282 --> 00:29:45,867
"Really? How much?"
508
00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:49,162
They did discuss various details
509
00:29:49,245 --> 00:29:51,289
that Mr. Passage should buy
some burner phones,
510
00:29:51,372 --> 00:29:55,543
or that Mr. Passage should obtain
an unregistered pistol from a flea market,
511
00:29:55,627 --> 00:29:58,755
and that he would pay him
some upfront money.
512
00:29:59,422 --> 00:30:02,634
We started out at 5,000 down
and 5,000 when she's dead.
513
00:30:03,218 --> 00:30:06,137
"Well, let me sell some tigers,
and I'll get you $10,000."
514
00:30:06,721 --> 00:30:07,806
He was negotiating.
515
00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,891
He was trying to get the best deal.
516
00:30:11,184 --> 00:30:12,852
They discussed in detail:
517
00:30:13,353 --> 00:30:16,439
"Follow her into a parking lot,
cap her, and drive off."
518
00:30:17,774 --> 00:30:20,443
They had the talk,
and then they negotiated the price,
519
00:30:20,527 --> 00:30:22,487
and... that was the wrap.
520
00:30:23,655 --> 00:30:27,158
But why did you need
a special agent to pose as a hit man?
521
00:30:27,408 --> 00:30:29,536
That was gonna be
the nail in the coffin...
522
00:30:30,912 --> 00:30:32,789
but there was supposed to be payment.
523
00:30:33,248 --> 00:30:35,128
The government doesn't have any evidence
524
00:30:35,166 --> 00:30:38,753
that Mr. Passage actually obtained
any of the phones or the pistol,
525
00:30:38,837 --> 00:30:41,089
and certainly
that he did not give any money
526
00:30:41,172 --> 00:30:43,049
to the undercover agent.
527
00:30:44,509 --> 00:30:46,302
Over the ensuing months,
528
00:30:46,386 --> 00:30:49,013
I would just check in with the FBI
529
00:30:49,138 --> 00:30:53,059
and make sure that this was still active
and happening.
530
00:30:53,726 --> 00:30:55,854
We kept waiting for the arrest,
531
00:30:55,937 --> 00:30:58,147
but there were months
where nothing happened.
532
00:30:59,899 --> 00:31:02,735
It just dragged on forever,
and it wasn't gonna happen.
533
00:31:05,154 --> 00:31:06,865
So we all thought
they backed off the plan.
534
00:31:10,702 --> 00:31:15,123
So about the same time
that the FBI was waiting on Joe,
535
00:31:15,582 --> 00:31:18,501
Jeff was dealing with all the problems
in Vegas.
536
00:31:20,545 --> 00:31:22,046
I am adjudicating you guilty.
537
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:23,381
You will stay out of trouble.
538
00:31:23,464 --> 00:31:25,967
That means no illegal activity.
539
00:31:26,301 --> 00:31:28,553
If not, you will serve the 179 days.
540
00:31:28,636 --> 00:31:30,430
Do you understand my orders?
541
00:31:30,930 --> 00:31:31,930
I do.
542
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,062
The judge says,
"Stay out of trouble for a year."
543
00:31:38,646 --> 00:31:40,648
We loaded up stuff and we left.
544
00:31:42,525 --> 00:31:44,402
When we came back here from Las Vegas,
545
00:31:44,485 --> 00:31:48,114
I had one of my semi-daily conversations
with James Garretson.
546
00:31:48,197 --> 00:31:50,717
'Cause we were kind of close at the time.
We talked quite a bit.
547
00:31:50,783 --> 00:31:53,244
I told Jeff some things
that were in confidence.
548
00:31:53,328 --> 00:31:54,328
Like what?
549
00:31:54,787 --> 00:31:57,665
I said, "I'm working undercover
with the Feds and Fish and Game."
550
00:31:59,918 --> 00:32:03,796
I told him that they already knew about
the plan to kill Carole Baskin.
551
00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:06,090
They knew everybody involved.
552
00:32:06,925 --> 00:32:09,218
And I said, "Why haven't they come to me?"
553
00:32:09,427 --> 00:32:11,429
And he says, "They want to."
554
00:32:11,512 --> 00:32:13,890
I asked him if he wanted to cooperate
and he said...
555
00:32:13,973 --> 00:32:16,142
I'm dying to talk to them
and tell them what I know.
556
00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:19,062
When Jeff Lowe got in trouble
in Las Vegas,
557
00:32:19,145 --> 00:32:21,564
he was looking at jail time there
and a big fine.
558
00:32:22,065 --> 00:32:24,543
I promise you, he's trying
to squash that bullshit in Las Vegas
559
00:32:24,567 --> 00:32:26,569
by feeding them Joe. I mean,
560
00:32:26,653 --> 00:32:29,280
there's a motive behind their madness,
I promise you.
561
00:32:31,282 --> 00:32:32,408
I trusted James.
562
00:32:33,076 --> 00:32:36,120
And he said, "Look, they asked me
to bring Joe a hit man,"
563
00:32:36,371 --> 00:32:37,956
and had Joe
564
00:32:38,665 --> 00:32:41,584
pulled a five dollar bill
out of his pocket as a deposit...
565
00:32:42,210 --> 00:32:45,672
that would have been the impetus
to storm the park,
566
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,175
but because he didn't commit
the overt act of...
567
00:32:50,301 --> 00:32:51,803
of actually paying,
568
00:32:52,303 --> 00:32:53,513
they had to wait.
569
00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:57,725
It was right after that I told James
570
00:32:57,809 --> 00:32:59,644
that the day before Allen left,
571
00:33:00,353 --> 00:33:03,189
Joe paid him to go kill Carole.
572
00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:06,484
James brought the FBI,
573
00:33:07,068 --> 00:33:08,653
and I started spilling my guts.
574
00:33:10,530 --> 00:33:12,323
The Feds had me call Allen
575
00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:15,034
and try to find out Allen's side
of the story.
576
00:33:16,035 --> 00:33:18,305
And he says, "Can you get me immunity?"
I said, "I can't."
577
00:33:18,329 --> 00:33:20,206
I said, "That's not my position." I said,
578
00:33:20,289 --> 00:33:22,458
"But the closest thing you're gonna get
to immunity
579
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:24,168
is if you come back
and help these guys,"
580
00:33:24,252 --> 00:33:27,880
I said, "because they don't want you,
they want Joe."
581
00:33:31,134 --> 00:33:33,386
- They know all about Joe.
- Right.
582
00:33:33,803 --> 00:33:36,097
What I recommend strongly...
583
00:33:36,347 --> 00:33:38,467
You don't wanna be on Joe's side
when this comes down.
584
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:39,910
You wanna be on the government's side.
585
00:33:39,934 --> 00:33:41,811
- I gotcha.
- What that... What that means...
586
00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:43,604
is you've gotta tell me, like,
587
00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:46,691
when he, I don't wanna put any words
in your mouth, so...
588
00:33:46,983 --> 00:33:50,153
like, let's just say from
the very first time he approached you,
589
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:52,530
what he said, and I'll let you go.
590
00:33:52,613 --> 00:33:53,948
He would ask me, "Hey bro,
591
00:33:54,198 --> 00:33:56,409
"you know anybody to go kill
that woman for me?"
592
00:33:56,492 --> 00:33:58,327
What did he offer in exchange?
593
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:01,956
Well, he was supposed to give me
$5,000 cash to leave with.
594
00:34:02,415 --> 00:34:05,251
But it's your understanding,
when he gave you that money,
595
00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:09,714
he did it for the purpose of you going
down to Tampa and killing Carole Baskin.
596
00:34:10,006 --> 00:34:11,466
Yeah, he gave me three grand.
597
00:34:11,549 --> 00:34:14,552
Supposed to get $5,000,
but he only got three.
598
00:34:14,635 --> 00:34:16,637
But that wasn't about the fucking money.
599
00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:18,222
It was about fucking him over.
600
00:34:22,643 --> 00:34:24,854
Allen is Jeff's right-hand man.
601
00:34:25,813 --> 00:34:28,149
That's what makes no sense to all this.
602
00:34:28,232 --> 00:34:30,985
I'm going to hire
a $3,000 crackhead to kill her?
603
00:34:31,986 --> 00:34:35,281
But I knew something was going
to come down sooner or later
604
00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:38,910
because Jeff and James
was con-artist buddies.
605
00:34:39,702 --> 00:34:40,870
They record everything.
606
00:34:40,953 --> 00:34:42,914
Because that's how they blackmail you.
607
00:34:42,997 --> 00:34:43,997
You're fucked.
608
00:34:44,207 --> 00:34:47,335
And you know how you thought
James recorded you? You're right.
609
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:48,753
You are going to jail.
610
00:34:49,128 --> 00:34:51,005
You'll hide all of this shit.
611
00:34:51,089 --> 00:34:53,424
And then just tell me
what you want me to hear.
612
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:55,384
What am I hiding?
613
00:34:56,928 --> 00:34:59,931
You paid somebody
to kill Carole Baskin.
614
00:35:00,014 --> 00:35:01,933
That is not
what I was talking about.
615
00:35:02,809 --> 00:35:06,062
When I started asking him about
where the money came from for the hit man,
616
00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:08,606
you know, he didn't want to answer,
he just turned his head.
617
00:35:08,689 --> 00:35:10,849
I think that was the straw
that broke the camel's back.
618
00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:12,419
Not that he wasn't already planning
on leaving,
619
00:35:12,443 --> 00:35:14,612
but that's why he packed up and left.
620
00:35:17,824 --> 00:35:21,077
The government did not know
that Mr. Glover had, in fact,
621
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:22,829
been given money by Mr. Passage,
622
00:35:22,912 --> 00:35:26,082
that he had given him a cellphone
with photos of Carole Baskin.
623
00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:31,254
None of that was known to the government
until July of 2018.
624
00:35:32,004 --> 00:35:34,132
That was obviously new information,
625
00:35:34,340 --> 00:35:36,384
and we indicted him.
626
00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:40,096
During the summer of 2018,
627
00:35:40,179 --> 00:35:44,225
Mr. Passage had moved to a house
within Oklahoma
628
00:35:44,308 --> 00:35:48,229
and then rapidly broken his lease,
packed up his things, and moved.
629
00:35:48,896 --> 00:35:52,191
His social media posts seemed to be
designed to indicate
630
00:35:52,275 --> 00:35:55,278
that he was in Belize
and that he was not where he was.
631
00:35:55,695 --> 00:35:59,490
I had seen online all the pictures
showing that they were in Belize.
632
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:02,410
I figured it was because
he didn't want to be around any of it,
633
00:36:02,493 --> 00:36:04,704
and he was hiding from everybody.
634
00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,420
Before the Feds even said anything,
635
00:36:07,456 --> 00:36:10,585
I knew the picture in Belize was bullshit.
636
00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:13,546
I was like, "That's Florida water.
637
00:36:13,629 --> 00:36:15,047
That's Panhandle water."
638
00:36:15,464 --> 00:36:17,091
We all knew they were in Florida.
639
00:36:18,551 --> 00:36:20,191
The Feds want you, they're gonna get you.
640
00:36:20,761 --> 00:36:21,761
You can't hide.
641
00:36:24,807 --> 00:36:28,978
The Fish and Wildlife and FBI
had obtained phone numbers
642
00:36:29,061 --> 00:36:32,231
that were believed to be associated with
Mr. Passage,
643
00:36:32,315 --> 00:36:35,693
and they do what they call
pinging his phones off of cell towers
644
00:36:35,776 --> 00:36:37,570
to try to determine his location.
645
00:36:41,782 --> 00:36:44,660
And with the assistance
of some local law enforcement,
646
00:36:44,744 --> 00:36:46,495
he was arrested in a parking lot.
647
00:36:47,496 --> 00:36:50,249
He said, "At 10:45,
I pull into the hospital parking lot,
648
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,627
parked the truck and
as I'm approaching the main entrance,
649
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:54,712
five cars and trucks surround me,
650
00:36:54,837 --> 00:36:57,715
and one Gulf Breeze officer screams,
'Get on the ground.'
651
00:36:59,383 --> 00:37:01,677
Three large officers kneel on my back
652
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:04,055
and all you could see
is the barrel of the gun.
653
00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:09,352
You would've thought
they just caught Ted Bundy."
654
00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:15,066
"Somehow, some way,
I'm going to make this up to you.
655
00:37:15,149 --> 00:37:17,526
I've never been more proud of
being married to anyone
656
00:37:18,152 --> 00:37:19,570
as I am of you. Let's hope...
657
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,367
Let's hope this all works out in Oklahoma.
658
00:37:24,450 --> 00:37:25,993
Just never forget I love you."
659
00:37:29,789 --> 00:37:31,469
What would you say to Joe now
660
00:37:31,499 --> 00:37:33,819
- if you could talk to him about...
- I would just hug him.
661
00:37:34,168 --> 00:37:35,368
You know,
that's what he needs.
662
00:37:35,419 --> 00:37:39,090
He doesn't have any contact,
and he's a very affectionate man.
663
00:37:41,634 --> 00:37:44,512
So I would definitely just hug him
as tight as I could.
664
00:37:46,847 --> 00:37:49,558
Hey, everyone.
It's Carole at Big Cat Rescue.
665
00:37:50,059 --> 00:37:53,271
Today,
Joseph Schreibvogel-Maldonado-Passage,
666
00:37:53,354 --> 00:37:55,147
also known as Joe Exotic,
667
00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:58,818
was arrested for seeking to hire someone
to murder me.
668
00:37:58,901 --> 00:38:03,614
We are enormously grateful
to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service,
669
00:38:03,698 --> 00:38:08,286
the FBI for the many months
of incredibly hard work
670
00:38:08,619 --> 00:38:10,746
that went into this investigation.
671
00:38:12,373 --> 00:38:14,583
KARMA
672
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:20,881
Joseph Maldonado-Passage,
perhaps better known as Joe Exotic...
673
00:38:20,965 --> 00:38:22,425
- Joe Exotic...
- Joe Exotic...
674
00:38:22,508 --> 00:38:23,384
Joe Exotic...
675
00:38:23,467 --> 00:38:25,970
The well-known 55-year-old
former zoo owner
676
00:38:26,053 --> 00:38:27,305
was taken into custody today.
677
00:38:27,388 --> 00:38:29,765
Maldonado-Passage
is being held without bond
678
00:38:29,849 --> 00:38:33,352
and was appointed a public defender
by a federal magistrate judge today.
679
00:38:33,436 --> 00:38:35,146
A court date has not yet been set.
680
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:36,480
This pisses me off.
681
00:38:37,815 --> 00:38:39,275
He thinks he's above the law.
682
00:38:41,068 --> 00:38:43,268
I just can't believe
he actually paid somebody to do it.
683
00:38:47,366 --> 00:38:48,366
NEW AT 10:00
684
00:38:49,076 --> 00:38:51,662
Hiya, Miss Silva, this is Joe Exotic
685
00:38:51,746 --> 00:38:55,499
from your local jail
in Chickasha, Oklahoma.
686
00:38:55,750 --> 00:38:58,627
Joe Exotic makes good TV.
He makes good news.
687
00:38:58,711 --> 00:39:00,880
Even if it's a train wreck,
you can't help but look.
688
00:39:01,797 --> 00:39:06,052
They strip you butt naked, put you
in a six-by-eight-foot concrete room
689
00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:09,722
with no windows, no blankets, no nothing.
690
00:39:10,931 --> 00:39:13,059
I am supposed to be in this country,
691
00:39:13,225 --> 00:39:14,643
born, raised...
692
00:39:14,935 --> 00:39:16,729
innocent until proven guilty.
693
00:39:17,188 --> 00:39:22,443
And I've been stripped off my clothes,
my rights, my identity, my dignity.
694
00:39:22,526 --> 00:39:24,570
You can't get him to stop talking,
695
00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:27,281
and if the cameras are rolling,
even better.
696
00:39:27,907 --> 00:39:30,618
Maldonado-Passage tells me
he has a mountain of evidence
697
00:39:30,701 --> 00:39:32,328
that will prove he was framed.
698
00:39:32,411 --> 00:39:35,289
He says he's just counting down the days
to his trial
699
00:39:35,373 --> 00:39:37,792
so he can tell his side of the story.
700
00:39:38,584 --> 00:39:39,919
Oh, I know what happened.
701
00:39:40,002 --> 00:39:42,505
I've got three felons that want my zoo.
702
00:39:52,098 --> 00:39:54,892
We are starting fresh,
all brand new stuff.
703
00:39:55,810 --> 00:39:57,561
Brand new attitudes. New employees.
704
00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:01,565
The reputation of this zoo will be just
dragged through the mud
705
00:40:01,649 --> 00:40:03,609
with this whole Joe fiasco.
706
00:40:04,693 --> 00:40:06,112
I want to get away from this...
707
00:40:06,862 --> 00:40:09,281
Joe Exotic-haunted place.
708
00:40:11,158 --> 00:40:12,618
So we're building a new zoo.
709
00:40:14,578 --> 00:40:17,790
I envision a great big four
or five million dollar zoo right now.
710
00:40:18,457 --> 00:40:21,144
Jeff Lowe asked me
if I wanted to be part of the new zoo.
711
00:40:21,168 --> 00:40:22,312
I told him where I would build a zoo.
712
00:40:22,336 --> 00:40:24,380
I'd build a zoo down in Thackerville
by the WinStar,
713
00:40:24,463 --> 00:40:25,863
so it's closer to the Texas border.
714
00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:27,967
Oklahoma's poor.
715
00:40:28,175 --> 00:40:30,386
You're gonna get all your customers
from Texas anyways.
716
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,431
We found almost 40 acres
717
00:40:33,764 --> 00:40:35,891
about one mile behind the WinStar casino.
718
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:40,438
Everything is gonna be huge,
it's gonna be open,
719
00:40:40,521 --> 00:40:43,482
it's gonna be the best
that our money can afford.
720
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,485
We're gonna build that zoo in six months.
721
00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:51,240
Once we move,
it'll be a whole different ballgame.
722
00:40:51,323 --> 00:40:53,075
Everybody will be comfortable.
723
00:40:53,159 --> 00:40:54,535
It won't be no bullshit.
724
00:40:54,910 --> 00:40:56,412
It will be nice.
725
00:40:57,204 --> 00:40:58,456
Not like with Joe.
726
00:40:58,831 --> 00:41:00,040
God, I hate that bitch.
727
00:41:03,335 --> 00:41:04,670
Well, when I was told...
728
00:41:05,379 --> 00:41:07,047
the FBI was involved, I went,
729
00:41:07,506 --> 00:41:09,091
"Holy fucking shit."
730
00:41:10,092 --> 00:41:12,761
They went there and took my story
like three different times
731
00:41:12,845 --> 00:41:14,680
to make sure it was fuckin' accurate
732
00:41:14,763 --> 00:41:17,892
before they took it to the grand jury
or jury or whatever the hell it is.
733
00:41:18,392 --> 00:41:19,992
And all I did is like Jeff told me to do
734
00:41:20,060 --> 00:41:22,341
is just come and tell them exactly
what the fuck happened.
735
00:41:24,023 --> 00:41:25,774
And... thank God I did.
736
00:41:27,776 --> 00:41:29,862
I'd be sitting in there with fucking Joe.
737
00:41:32,364 --> 00:41:34,366
Let me show and tell
the whole thing.
738
00:41:34,783 --> 00:41:36,076
Because then you'll get it.
739
00:41:36,869 --> 00:41:40,498
Then you'll say, "Jesus fucking Christ,
why are you in jail?"
740
00:43:25,394 --> 00:43:27,396
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