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Hi everyone.

And today we are speaking to someone who we, uh, just a few months ago, uh, dick

down together.

Well, I guess I was the dick mostly. I was not the dick. Right. This is the one

and only Sherry DeVille.

Did I pronounce it correctly?

Yes, you actually did, which is amazing.

No one ever does. What do people say instead?

Sherry DeVille. Sherry.

All kinds of crazy stuff. Yeah. Wow. Well, I need to read a book.

Well, I don't, I don't correct them that harshly, but yeah.

I just couldn't think of it going any other way. But that was just me.

You know, Sherry's cooking wine.

Sherry's a fruit.

Sherry's the name.

Sherry. Sherry DeVille.

Can I call you the mouth? You can.

The MILF. The MILF. The MILF. The MILF. We were just talking about that. There

are certain things.

You've been put into this MILF category your whole time in the industry because

you actually entered the industry a bit later. So that's kind of an interesting

plot that you have going here that's different than a lot of people, huh?

Yeah, I think most, I would imagine most people start when they're pretty young.

The age when we're the most attractive and you make the most money in porn. But

then there was this change.

I don't know if it was like Lisa Ann when she did that nail and palin thing.

But in the early 2000s, the whole genre of MILF became.

huge and there weren't many people to fill that role some people like julia

ann started when she was young and then did teen and then babe and then up to

milf but there's a few of us that started now that it's a thing as like

full-ass adults right so what were you doing for all those years because you

hopped into the porn world at what 34

32, 33, 34, somewhere in there. Yeah. What were you doing with your life prior

to that? I'm still a physical therapist.

Oh, okay. Isn't that cool?

That's amazing. I think it's so cool. When she told me that, I was like,

that's amazing.

Wow. So was that, that's what you went to school for and that's what you did

for your whole adulthood?

Yeah. It turns out my vagina makes like way more money than my brain.

I would actually have assumed that. No offense.

It's just, it seems like it's kind of easy to monetize a vagina. Not

everyone's vagina would. She's, you know, she's, she's a moneymaker and I'm

glad and I can just sort of let. the brain part you know take a little

vacation when you were just a civilian were you engaged with your sexuality too

or were you running around in these streets were you in a relationship what

was that like i don't do this anymore just out of respect for my co-workers

but i was a huge swinger i would go to swingers clubs every weekend fuck

whoever i the exhibition i liked fucking when people were watching i liked being

invited into people's relationships like yeah okay so how did you get into that

and this is very interesting the swinger world we went to one party which i might

end up telling you about a bit later i've talked about on the podcast like a

million times but i'm interested how did you find out about that world and how

did you what were the first couple times it was a little bit of hard work because

my first couple times were terrible it's actually hard to find a club and i would

recommend private clubs and this is going to sound awful but for me i like

the clubs where you have to submit your resume you have to show your picture and

then you're either let in or not so that to me i enjoy certain types of people i

enjoy attractive people so you know, if you go to one of those clubs, that's a

little more exclusive.

You know, you're not saying that you have to fill out like this crazy long

resume when you go. No. And it also, at least when I was in Nashville,

Tennessee, I think it was part of the legality of having it. Cause it was

never at people's houses.

It was at a pre-standing club.

That's only purpose was to be a swingers club, three stories of like stages and

like couches and all kinds of different, like interesting equipment and stuff

like that. So in order, to have alcohol and people and sex it had to be a

private club right yeah so that was the way to yeah the application process

makes total sense to me because i mean picture being in an average club what

percentage of the people in this club do you want to have sex with like probably

not a huge percentage right do you ever play that game at the airport whose

genitals would you put in your mouth because i do that in my head all the

time i'll be like babe whose genitals would you put in your mouth right now

that was me bored in high school looking around the science class thinking If I

had to have sex with someone in here, who would it be? I'm like really trying

to rank them in my head because I was that bored. I haven't done that in

probably 20 years. That's what you were doing in science class?

At least sometimes. Yeah. Wow. Never thought of that game in science class.

I'm not going to lie. I mean, sometimes you just think like if I had to

reproduce with someone, who would it be?

So, okay. The swingers clubs, once you start going, like what was your first

time? Like, do you just go crazy on your first time? My first few times were not

in this private club. So I was like, I don't know if I'm going to like it. I'd

find like the one. one or two cute people at the club and like bang them.

And it was fine, but it wasn't like the experience that I had, like the fantasy

in my head.

Yeah.

It's probably like anyone you imagine going into a room with like scantily

clad, gorgeous women on the stripper poles and they might not be all out to

bang you, but they're all ready to bang tonight.

Right. Do you know what I mean? So, yeah, that's cool. That's my, so just

beautiful people, scantily clad, ready to. And you're still into the swinging

thing. Like if you weren't working, if I weren't working, I would definitely do

it. Yeah. I feel like working satisfies.

What's the exact same thing? Working and swinging are kind of the same in that

you get to have awesome sex without the emotional strings.

So work totally fills that void for me. It's a little bit less spontaneous,

though. Do you miss like the spontaneity of not knowing who you're going to land?

Yes. And the part I miss the most is the chase.

It turns out I like the chase as much as I like the sex.

i like especially with women i feel like it's a challenge and when you get to

bang them after like flirting and whatever you do it's like feels really

emotionally successful i could see the sex club kind of takes away some of the

challenge right because you're sort of going in there and is it almost like

everybody there is just going to be down to fuck you have you put in the request

or an incredibly high percentage it's hard to say it's hard to say each other

and yeah you'll find like you'll find maybe a couple you like and it's almost

like every like vetting each other for a job interview that's happening at 3 a.m

right like you're there at 11 and you know for the next few hours everyone's

like you know i feel like that was so fun is everybody hooking up like right

there in front of you or is it kind of like later on things just start to go

down everyone different you know there's always like the people that are like

making out on the dance floor and this and that and then at least in the clubs

i've been to there are areas for exhibition right where anyone is allowed

to walk by you're completely in the open and then areas that you can close like

you find a few people that you like you go off into a private room how many

people are there sorry i'm just like very curious how what this looks like

all these people fucking at the same place is it like a hundred a hundred

okay not that maybe and so yeah give me some hot experiences that took place in

this kind of environment like because i'm sure that you have nights that are

not so great yeah there are plenty of nights where i just just never felt

like the vibe with people i'd say like best for me best case scenario is

finding a couple looking for a third because i just I don't know. That's

like, like stuff like this is like my jam for whatever reason, worst case

scenario. And this happens a lot. Like say there's like a time when I'm in a

relationship or something and that guy doesn't like to do full swap.

And then you're trying to find the, the unicorn is what they're called in the

swingers world. The single women that want to be with just you two is tough.

Full swaps. So it's hard to find the third, even though you want to be the

third. Yeah. That's hard.

Really? I like to be the third, but it's hard to find the third. Usually it's

couples. So if we were going, we would have a hard time.

It's hard to find a unicorn. If you're a super hot chick.

You got all kinds of options for getting dicked. If you're a couple looking to

fuck a girl, a little bit harder.

If you're just a dude just trying to get some girls. I still want to try and go

to one of these one day because she's convincing me that it's really fun. It's

so fucking fun.

Even if you just go, and I've done this a million times, and you just fuck who

you came with in public, and you notice a crowd starts to build. I don't know.

It really does it for me. Wow. Yeah.

It'd be weird to be fucking in front of people for free. Then you feel like

we're doing such a good job. High five. Look at us.

We always do it for money, so it'd be weird to be doing it. a room of people

for free you're like now but it turns you on so it's like i'm a celebrity i

ain't going to shit they're not gonna be filming me and shit that's like gonna be

kind of weird no i bet there's a crazy no phones rule there better be right

absolutely yeah no i feel like everyone would mob you and take your phone from

me if you pull your phone out and try to film it i'm gonna put a gopro on my head

here i guess the the concern would be celebrity it's la but in nashville the

concern is high level professionals oh right

And it gets kinky. I mean, there's dudes getting fucked in the ass. There's

sexual acts that you might not want to get out.

See, that might be weird to me. If I'm in the sex club and I start smelling

dookie sex from a couple of brothers in the corner, I'm going to be like, oh,

maybe this ain't the club for me. I don't know. Much respect. Our first AVN,

we got really excited and we went to the sex party that they had to shuttle us

off to. It was all low key.

And we thought like, oh, we're going to have so much sex tonight. It's going to

be so hot. And then all we did was Adam watched his first guy get fucked in the

ass by a lady with a strap on. And he was just like, this is not interesting.

I never felt more vanilla in my life.

tweeting about it and sure enough people from like the BDSM community and shit

were quote tweeting me LOLing at my ass being like oh my god when the vanilla

people show up at the sex party and I'm like yo like I'm not allowed to be

shocked by this guy getting railed out in the ass by some chick like if that

makes you feel vanilla okay fine I kept checking his dick I was like does he

like it maybe he likes it no movement you're like on your phone trying to pick

strap odds you're like no no Nevermind. I was on my phone, like looking at

Twitter, like, just like, I don't want to look at this.

Some other shit. Okay. But so you're doing the sex party thing for a while

and whatever. Then how did you actually make the move towards porn? Did you ever

strip or escort or anything like that? It was actually super random. So

physical therapists make a nice salary.

Um, but I've always been interested in the sex world. So I thought it would be

fun to do nude modeling. That's it.

just nude modeling on the weekend for um do you know the site model mayhem yes

amateur models amateur photographers basically they're paying to see you

naked yeah is the thing at the end of the day um so i did that for a while um

also my sexy jobs it's kind of the same thing and then a headhunter for my

current agency found me and was like would you like to do porn and i'm like

wait what had you ever thought about it maybe in a vague fantasy way but i

didn't think i wouldn't know how to get that how do i who do i call a lot of

people have never been propositioned a lot of times when girls get in the

industry their story is like well i was 19 working at a bar and some guy came in

and asked me if i wanted to do porn and then they sort of okay yeah sure yeah a

lot of people never get that yeah people don't know how to like apply yeah i

guess somebody's gonna tell you but where were you where you were in la were

you no nashville at the time yeah i would have never known one of these

parties and someone asked you to do porn do you feel like It doesn't seem that

scary because you've already had sex in front of other people. I wasn't scared

at all. In fact, I was like, the only two things I did before I took my first

job was call my family and make sure I couldn't lose my physical therapy

license. Wait, you told them first?

Well, it's online, man.

It's online.

I mean, I didn't want to. But you're a grown-ass woman at that point, too. What

are you going to do?

two years in, get a phone call and be like, Uncle Joey saw you on the... I

mean, maybe not.

That is what everybody does. Everybody just lets their parents find out. Nobody

calls and debriefs them beforehand.

But they're going to find out.

To me, I have two choices.

Okay, three choices.

Don't do porn. But if you're going to do porn, which I really wanted to, you have

two choices.

Create a rift by letting them find out on their own or tell them.

But what if you did one scene and it sucked, you hated it, you never wanted

to do it again, and then you told your family you were going to do porn? I

didn't tell them I was going to do porn. I told them what I thought I was going

to do, which was go to L.A. for one week, shoot the porns that my agent got

me, and then be like, look at the crazy shit Nana did when I'm 90. That was my

whole goal.

And I just really loved it.

You were going to get it filmed and then not let them put it out?

No, I was going to let them put it out, but just as like...

Like almost like it's a sign that I really lived life. Right. And almost

like a, I don't know if it's a bragging thing or like, like I ran a marathon. I

went skydiving. I did a porn. I like, just like, it just made me feel like I

was really like living experiences and living. Do you feel like that's kind of

like an antiquated mind state now when girls just get only fans, like the

first, they get fired from the diner and they're like, well, it's only fans time,

you know, unemployment.

It wasn't. I came in at the tail end of the video era. Right.

So I feel like even then you either were a porn star or nothing. Right.

Do you know what I mean? Like you were either getting hired by the big

companies or I don't know. You were just.

There's so many levels now. Some weird amateur, I don't know. Maybe like 20 or

30 years ago, I feel like you could have done porn and maybe your parents never

find out because you have to physically get it. VHS days.

That would have been a challenge. Not only physically get it, but admit to

your child or niece or whoever that you did it. That you bought the video and

that you did it. And it's shitty quality. It's like VHS. So that's not

me. That could be anybody. When it's HD, it's like no. Oh, and the amount of

makeup in the 90s? You'd be like, that's not me.

That's you. Yeah.

yeah i'm just so shocked that you like you did it in such a grown-up way i'm

gonna call my family and make sure i can't lose my license yeah you were an

adult you do five porns and now you've ruined your whole career what if i hated

it yeah and wanted to like go back to work but so did you absolutely love it

at the first scene or absolutely fucking loved it really what was your first

scene like uh well my first i did girl girl for years oh okay because i wasn't

sure about those boys and their penises i wasn't sure you didn't do any stuff

with guys for years years wow yeah just because i thought maybe these were too

big i thought the dicks might be too big and most importantly i was concerned

that like i had this like image of male talent being like

jerks or something really you know i don't know if it's that i i like to

watch really hardcore porn and i just wasn't sure like if you could are they

actually mean are they you know so it wasn't until i like met male talent

became friends with male talent was like oh No, this is fine. I feel like some of

them are totally fine. The nicest, softies, like, sweethearts of you ever

meet. I feel like the guys who go really far in the porn world are guys that

women just really, really like. Like, I have been at the bar and seen Johnny

Sins walk up and just seen multiple different girls, like, jumping on this

dude and hugging him like they're obsessed with him. And I'm like... oh

like that that's a top porn star right there like the kind of guy that these

girls love working with him yeah your vagina remembers if johnny's been there

i'll tell you that he leaves that he leaves a

memory wow yeah i feel like i just hear girls say such nice things about him and

other big performers all the time They're so nice. But so you met some

dudes. You're like, all right, you're not going to kill me. Okay.

And then told my agent I was ready. Right. Yeah. Were you just doing a bunch

of lesbian MILF porn then? Yeah.

Wow. That's a big category.

You know, I only moved here to LA to work full time five or six years

ago. Okay. So I was mostly just being a physical therapist and like going to LA

every other month and shooting porn.

And then coming home. And did your clients find out?

Did my what? Did your clients ever find out? No one's ever said anything. Wow.

To this day.

That's amazing.

That is amazing.

She used to help me with my tendonitis. Now she's a elf.

People are pretty polite, don't you think? Like they might just not say it.

But even now.

But even, I don't know.

I mean, I try and kind of look really plain at work, but I think, I don't know

if they're like.

This looks like a porn star. I don't want to ruin this professional

relationship with someone who's helping me by saying something weird and sexual.

I'm also like super fucking professional. Cause you still practice

now. Yeah. A little bit, but yeah.

Enough to keep my license. I wouldn't say like I'm practicing.

I just work enough to keep my license. So interesting.

So compare the feeling at the end of a scene after shooting with a girl to the

feeling after shooting with one or more dudes who have massive oversized

eggplant cocks. Talk to me about, is it different? What's the day at work? How

different does it feel?

Well, physically, it's obviously harder to work with guys and it's not the dick

actually. So that, yeah, some guys dicks are on my no list just because it's, too

much you know you're a no list for that wow well i mean it's for anything right

if it doesn't fit it doesn't fit nobody's gonna want to see it doesn't

fit you must acquit if it doesn't fit you must acquit yes so that's it yeah

but i think the real hard part about uh boy girl porn is the athleticism

involved in the positions that need to be done on camera so girl girl not

always but 80% of the time is a little more, it can be very passionate, but

it's more romantic.

Lots of the positions include one or more of you just laying on your back,

you know, and you just, maybe you're moving one leg instead of being in six

inch stilettos doing 15 minutes of squats, uh, seven inches off the ground

to ride a dick facing the camera with no eye contact with the dude. It's not

quite as, you know what I mean?

Yeah. So it's just like way more.

athletic right so you're i'm tired like i went to the gym no i could definitely

see that and you got a gnarly ass workout partner who's just pushing you

to the absolute limit yeah and then you have so many like endorphins and it

feels so good i feel like you push further than you would if it didn't feel

good but right after the scene's done you're like and then you're like or like

if you have to go back and do soft core you're like i don't know i don't know

man i might be tapped out

That makes sense. Let me ask you this.

Do you orgasm on set? Has it happened? Not every time, but yeah. How much

enjoyment are you actually getting out of it? And what's like the scene where

you can remember getting the most actual pleasure on your end?

DPs. Really?

I swear to God, every girl is about the DP.

Emily Willis was just in here and she was saying the exact same thing. It's

kind of insane.

It's like pressing every pleasure button at the same time.

Almost like using Hitachi for the first time. It can be a little sensory

overwhelming. But for me, it's fun for two reasons.

The sensation.

It touches everything you want it to.

And this might be because I'm a MILF. So MILFs are almost always in complete

control of the scene. And I'm naturally submissive. So that's fine.

But it's not, it doesn't flip all my switches.

And if you're in complete control of the scene, the dialogue, the positions and

what everyone else is doing, you're a little bit in your head. So that takes

away a little bit for me if I'm thinking too much.

But if there's two dudes, they're just throwing you around like a fucking rag

doll. I don't have to think. I don't have to choose a position.

My only job is to get fucked and enjoy it. Wow. That's it. Isn't that funny

that probably the average person who watches porn, if they see the DP,

they're thinking that there's no way the girl likes it. And they're thinking it's

just for the movie, just for the dudes. They're just going to assume that the

girl's not enjoying it. That's interesting. I think the girl enjoys it

10 times more than the dudes because.

And I pick my dudes based on their relationship, not my desire to fuck

them. Because it's so much more important that the dudes have chemistry

and I don't mean sexually.

Wow. But it's like a dance. And if the dudes don't know each other, it actually

doesn't feel good. They're not vibing and stepping on each other.

They're not vibing. They're like, everyone's stroking at weird times.

They're like fighting for the pussy. No one wants to anchor. There's like weird

masculine energy.

Things I've never thought about.

Yeah. And then I'm like, don't fight over me, boys. No, it's kind of

annoying. I don't know if I would. Yeah. Doing a DP with somebody that you are

not like close homies with would be kind of weird. But then doing it with your

best homie would be also weird. I feel like.

Your DP no list is very long. My best homies. Yeah. Yeah. Like they're not

like probably going to do DP with me anyway. So it's like, you need like a

medium homie, like someone who's like about to be your best friend, but

they're not there yet. So it's awkward, but you're like, man, you're a cool

dude. Yeah.

My nuts could rub on yours a little bit. It's all good.

Two years from now, you'll be best friends. You got to find a new one, but

you know.

Yeah. So the vagina is fought over in the DP scenario. The anal is a little

bit less desirable.

It probably depends on the girl. But for me, I like to be like really relaxed and

my butthole does open up pretty good. So depending on their cock size, I think my

vagina would give more sensation than like after 30 minutes in my ass. Right.

Yeah. So much respect. But anal is probably a lot more work because you

still have to be in control in anal. And then you're doing the same exact reverse

cowgirl, but you're doing it in anal, right?

In a DP, you don't have to do like anything. You don't have to do anything.

I feel like you're like in the air, not even touching the ground half the time.

You're just getting carried around. You're just getting fucked.

Yeah. Not gonna lie, she's making this sound really good. It's really good.

So besides the DPs, anything in particular that really stands out to you

that you've gotten a lot of pleasure from? You ever do big gang bangs and

shit like that?

I do. I like gang bangs.

It's similar in that the only problem with gang bangs, at least the ones that

I've done, and you'll see this even in a lot of top performer gang bangs, is

you'll have like one to three good male talent.

else is honestly spending 90% of the time jerking off in the corner. And then

you don't know as the viewer, because when they roll in, they roll in strong,

but then they're just jerking. It's like kind of distracting.

Right.

One, is he going to get hard?

Two, like, am I attractive?

Or like, I don't know. It's a lot of penises to keep hard.

It's a lot of plates to keep in the air. If I was going to produce a gangbang,

it's like, yes, you do. You probably want to pay the full rate for a couple

of top-notch pros.

And then you might want to get like a couple guys you saw standing outside the

Home Depot or whatever. Like, yo, you need a day's work? Let's go. We're going

to get tested, suit up, and buy you a nice little outfit. Let's go. It's

almost like that. Take a Mizzou.

Wow.

It's almost like that. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy. Where you're like, I've never met

you after 10 years. That's not good.

I can't stand watching porn where I can see the guy in the gangbang in the

corner jerking off. So I can't imagine being. They do film that sometimes?

Sometimes I see it. And I'm like, get him the fuck out of here. Usually

they're like, the director will be like.

So I can't. I remember I came upon a Bukkake porn when I was very young. And

that was a real eye opener for me because, you know, I'm like 15 watching

a Bukkake porn and you start to realize like.

Oh, I just watched 50 dudes jerk off on this chick. They all have different dick

sizes. They all have different jerk off sizes. Some of these dudes are having to

go to town.

It's like really weird. And that's sort of how awkward this must actually be at

times. Yeah.

Imagine this.

Imagine knowing that pretty much people aren't going to get paid until you come

and like, okay, the first guy comes, you're like, no, I'm good. I'm good. The

second guy comes the third for now.

20 people are waiting for you to come. Like, how can you come like that? The

pressure is insane.

I don't doubt myself though. I feel like if I, if I'm there to be part of the,

I'm going to just walk up and do it. Like, I don't really think. Well, then

you'd be one of the first guys to come. You wouldn't be that guy in the corner

going, shit, I'm not getting paid. I don't think I could get so nervous that

I wouldn't be able to, at least I've never been that. I can only think of a

couple of times in my life where I haven't been able to get hard. One, it

was the middle of the winter. This girl's house. I swear the walls on the

house were so thin that I could like feel. the wind through the house that

didn't work and then there's been a couple times where i was like depressed

and i couldn't get hard absolutely yeah for the most part i feel like you know

when it's time to do it it's like it's like banging a nail into the wall but i

could do it you're like you like her yeah we're good yeah i mean it's just

jerking off it's like yeah yeah i think yeah the and then the worst is

if they want you the girl to make all like however many of them come You know

what I mean? If they're jerking off, you're right. You have control. But

sometimes they want to see it happen with you. And that's really hard to

time.

with men that you've never jerked off before. Right.

Like, I don't know you. Do you want me to touch your balls? Do you want me to

bite you? Do you want me to be soft? Do you want me to go fat? I don't know you.

Like, I didn't have time to ask.

There's so many people in the room.

But there's so many people, so I remember everyone once.

And when you're watching, like, a Bukkake scene, like, there'll be, like,

two dudes, like, actually jerking off, and then you will watch one guy, whoosh,

he, like, runs in there because he's got the ball. He's ready.

He can't miss this, and it is so obvious, and you're like, that's an

amateur you need to go back to do your homework it's funny wow this thing's a

weird dynamic i feel like your wrists would just like fall off yeah and then

like then you wonder because like these people are also your friends you're like

did i pay like way more attention to one of them than the other are they gonna

have hurt feelings maybe the guys don't care but like i care i feel like you're

you're letting us in on your personality you actually care about how these

douchebags feel yeah like if you're working with them I mean, some people

I've been working with for the past 10 years.

So, you know, you don't want to roll on and be like, ugh, I have to work with

Cherie again today.

I remember a few years ago. Like, who knows? I feel like I hear this from a

lot of girls. They really do care about their on-set relationships a lot because

they want all the scenes going forward to work really well. You can't assume

that you're not going to work with this person again unless you put them on your

no list. Of course.

Yeah. But otherwise, if you both end up in the like A-list, the group of working

people, you're going to work with them, especially men constantly.

There aren't that many A-list dudes.

I feel like I work with the same 20 people just all the time. I have so many

girls tell me that like, oh, people think I'm banging a different dude every

day. In reality, I'm just banging the same 30 guys over and over and over.

Kind of. Yeah. New people come in and stuff.

But yeah.

But the top, like if you're working for top companies, they're not gambling on

guys they don't know.

makes sense same old same old so let me ask you this uh in terms of your

personal sexual life how has porn sort of changed you do you feel like you're

getting a lot of the sort of deviant like crazy sexual energy that you were

looking for in the swinger clubs do you get a lot of that from porn and that

makes your normal day-to-day sex life a little bit more normal or your

relationship type at this point or i actually

I mix it up, of course. Like, I want to have the kinky sex. I want to have this

and that. But now I really almost fetishize connected sex, like quiet,

like sometimes into each other. Like, and that was something that I didn't do

that much before. I wanted to be like, you know, fucked and tossed around and

this person in that. And now I feel like there's like a place for me for that

type of sex, too.

Yeah. Definitely.

I like it. It's more rare now. It's like special. It's actually super special.

Yeah. Yeah. And rare. So that almost feels like the birthday anal.

you know or whatever it is for the vanilla but if you stop doing pork porn

tomorrow then then it would have to change yeah birthday anal is a thing

like there's normal dudes who like they only get anal on their birthday don't

you think is that just in sitcoms or is that like i feel like you're probably

right i haven't heard that before but that that might have just been hearing

like you know sitcoms if i was a regular guy who had a girlfriend that didn't

like anal then and i like because yeah i feel like that's kind of what has like

demystified anal to me when i was young i was so obsessed with anal but now i'm

like as a grown man man, I've done anal a lot of times. When we first started

hanging out, you were like, you're down with anal? I remember you were really

excited. Yeah.

Because that was before I was even doing a lot of Snapchat or OnlyFans stuff, and

you were really interested in the fact that I was down to do that, I remember.

No, yeah, but now having a girlfriend for four years who's down to do anal,

and having done it on camera so many times and stuff, it doesn't have that

thing that it used to have in my head where it's like, this is so crazy. It's

different on camera, though, I think.

Well, for me, it's different on camera because of the outrageous amounts of

prep. Yes. So when I haven't eaten, I have less energy. So I feel like my at

-home anal is more fun. Yeah.

Just because I'm like, I got glucose.

I'm focused. I'm there.

A lot less pressure. One thing I realized from posting this clip of you

on my Twitter earlier is that you have a shitload of fans.

Like, how do you...

she's very popular yeah how do you think about that like do you take a lot of

consideration of what your fans want from you in terms of your content and

you engage with them a lot does it like make you feel really good when you post

a new piece of content you get this crazy reaction from them well two things

so like

I think it's because I'm 42, right?

So I did not grow up with any kind of digital friends, any kind of social

media, MySpace, Facebook, any of that.

So I don't really feel like digital relationships are as real. So I don't

think I feel my fans as much as some people feel their fans. They feel a

little abstract to me, but I definitely consider what they want, especially now

that I'm marketing myself and selling my own stuff.

um but the real people that made my brand wasn't me like you made your brand

right you decided all your choices you made your brand i came in before making

your own brand was relevant so they made me a milf and a stepmom and a cougar and

all of those sort of like older woman fantasies and built and a beautiful and

amazing fan base for me so when i started building my own content i'm like

all right guys we're gonna do this like they're already there kind of yeah and

then so i just am still feeding into what was built for me could i get a

different fan base and start doing only foot porn probably but like this is the

one that was kind of like pre-packaged and like handed to me by the industry

have you stepped out of the stepmom milf role and has anyone I have a lot of

variety in my content, but I definitely keep the MILF tropes that I've been

given as sort of like, like a week doesn't go by that on like my OnlyFans

or whatever platforms that I don't do some kind of, whether it's my, you know,

a neighborhood, you know, kid or, you know, some sort of older woman fantasy

is absolutely.

on a weekly basis on my platforms.

Wow. All your content is so scenario-based. I remember when we first

worked together, she was like, so what does your audience think Adam is? Do

they know who he is?

I didn't want to say the wrong thing, you know?

Like when we're on camera.

Like let the cat out of the bag.

You know, I just want to make sure. What's his name?

It must be nice, honestly, to be like an anonymous porn star guy who can just

easily like fit into a lot of different roles. Because for me, it's just so

obvious. You can never be my Uber driver.

He can never be my Uber driver.

We put him in a Domino's shirt, but it's like obviously not a Domino's guy.

So it doesn't really work for me.

That's hilarious.

We should try making my stepson though. That would be really funny. That would

be so funny. I'm so much bigger than you. it seems like really like if

anything you're like the stepdaughter thing which wow it sounds creepy when

you do it the other way but that's just like i don't know that's just because

you look like if anything you are like much younger than me so i don't know

still milf so i'm pov you just see the dick though they don't know how old that

dick is but i got the tats yeah they'd know it was you it'd be a little bit of

a suspension of disbelief maybe i could airbrush my skin a different tone not

going black five for black tube area i

know

a lot of the japanese girls they

like them to look really pure so they'll spend like hours airbrushing their

tattoos away before they film their scenes a lot of the top japanese talent

is heavily tattooed right or like akusa adjacent but they just make them look

clean slate wow they want to feed into that like submissive i guess like pure

thing that's so interesting they just legalized tattoos in japan really that's

weird yeah so you can like get them and i don't know we can go to the spa now

together yeah because we went to japan and they wouldn't let us in the spa oh

yeah yeah yeah you yeah but wow interesting that's crazy yeah i bet they

cross the street when they see all your tattoos they're like damn but you know

the weird thing with japan is everybody is so polite that yeah it's not even

like like they definitely do think i'm fucking weird as fuck but they are so

polite that they won't even look at me and communicate the fact that that right

you know if only they knew that all we did every day there was play pokemon go

and that we're not threatening at all heck yeah they're so polite that they

ain't even like oh you want to get in they're really good pokemon in japan are

there different pokemon in japan it's like the whole place is a pokemon theme

park but you know what i remember remember there was like girls who

realized that we were lost and just came up to us and asked if we need help so

you couldn't have looked that threatening do you remember that yeah we

could tell we were lost and they just like were like show us a map and they

just showed us how to get to our room to go so i like that yeah japan seems like

probably one of the worst places on earth if you were looking to like line

up a casual threesome you can't even talk to anybody didn't we have one girl

hitting us up the whole time we were there wanted to hang out and then like

she was weird i think you're probably thinking somewhere else i don't think

that happened in japan

Maybe. That'd be a great threesome.

Yeah. It'd be fun.

Random threesome. It's complicated.

It's been a long time.

We'll get there again. We'll go to that swingers club. I really want to go.

Yeah. I think it's a good in-between between the tons of effort. Maybe I'm

lazy. The tons of effort it takes to pick someone up at a bar, especially a

woman, and then you could hire someone. I feel like it's a good in-between.

It's a little easier than the bar.

Spontaneity. I would love to hire a hooker. That would be so fun.

You've never hired him a hooker? No. But wouldn't that be fun to just like

actually support the sex worker economy? I still think that's hot.

Let's get in there. Yeah.

That'd be cool. No hookers. No. I don't even know how to hire a fucking hooker.

One of my best friends, I'm going to tell you, I can't say who it is because

in case he finds out, one of my best friends' boyfriends wanted a threesome

so bad and she's so shy.

She lied and she hired a hooker and had the meter bar and did the whole thing.

And he never found out. And he just thinks she's like a goddess now of like

pickup queen.

There's been times where I thought that you might've done that, where we like

hooked up with a girl. And I kind of almost like felt like her energy was

like, does she not necessarily like want to do this? And she's just doing it

because she's sort of like, I paid to do it maybe.

I'm not... This story is not about her, by the way. It just crossed my mind.

You had three seconds before me. Maybe you were thinking of somebody else.

No, I'm talking about you both.

If you didn't do that, then that's awesome.

No, I did not.

But now I think you should.

Now we only work with girls in the industry, so I feel like it would be

weird. I forgot how to just go to the bar and pick up girls like we used to.

Or girls would DM me and be like, hey, I think you and Adam are cute. And I'd be

like, okay, let's hang out. But now it would be like... But then is it a

fangirl? Now there's a line. But this is the thing. Any girl who hits us up on

that probably has OnlyFans.

And if we're going to fuck them, they need to get tested.

So it's like...

uh yo like you're bad too like you should get tested and do this fucking

only fans collab you know we might as well monetize it as well a threesome

with condoms is the hardest thing in the world no thanks we've done it so hard

especially when the the girl like and i totally get it wants you to like change

a condom every time you go back and forth oh my god it's like he'd be like

there's too much work by the time you're done you're like swimming in a sea of

condoms It's like the whole bed is full of condoms.

Oh, and it's pervasive.

I'd rather suck a leg out.

That's gross, man.

If a girl said anything about condoms, I'd be like, listen, you go get tested,

we'll meet up again in a couple days, boom.

Sorry, I want to keep fixing your ear. It's fine, you can just leave it.

It's falling off.

Yeah,

I know. I'm so used to going to get tested that I just want everyone to go

get tested.

Oh, now that I've done it, though.

Now that I've done it, I need it. And now I look back at how I was in my youth

and I was just so fucking careless.

The testing, right? Now I have to test. Now I'm like the most neurotic, but I

was completely fine.

Condoms, sure, but like careless.

You're like STDs are never going to happen to me. If you go to the club,

less than 1% of the women are tested.

So it's like, you know, what are the odds that they're going to be able to

show you a test? Like approximately zero.

So that would be my advice to everybody. Everybody should be getting tested like

every 72 hours, even if you don't do porn.

Well, it depends on how many people you're fucking. But yeah, if you're

fucking random people every weekend. Yeah, then you should be getting tested.

So speaking of random people, you were saying that you like to be the third.

love to be the third can you see what you saw it's kind of like blushing last

time so yeah talk about last time how did we uh deliver last time so fucking

hot and i was so nervous because like i had like kind of seen you on her social

media but i had like a major crush on you and then i started seeing some of my

friends working with you and i'm like oh she'll probably never ask me but it's

fine i'll just i'll just keep watching her instagram and then you asked me and

then i'm like I wish my Instagram would tell me who's watching my story.

It's me.

It's me a lot.

Still me. We had a lot of fun. I blindfolded you and then I surprised you

with the package.

Wow.

It's a shame we're just doing a podcast.

It would be so cool if we could hook up again. It's such a shame that we can't

take these mics off and just get nasty.

I just gotta say it.

So time is valuable and there's no chance on earth that I'd be here if I

didn't think there was a chance that you guys would fuck me.

We're fucking. Yeah. We're fucking. All this dirty talk. I need it.

Lena? There's no way to be in the room with this one without fucking. You think

she's earned it?

Yeah. Have I been a good girl? Yes.

Did I do a good job on the podcast and now I get dick and pussy?

The best job.

I'm a good girl.

Okay. I'm a good girl.

Yes, yes, yes.

Take it out. Yes, please.

Oh my god, it's so sloppy.

I'll see you.

I need to choke on the cock.

Yeah.

Oh my God.

So pretty with that cock in your mouth.

Oh my

god,

you're so dirty.

Fucking sloppy.

You want this?

Yes.

I think I love it. You want to spread it for her?

I'm going to spray my fucking ass and pussy so she can get an IQ.

Suffocating on your ass.

Yeah.

It is wide open. Yes.

I want you to help him. I want you to help him put his jacket on.

Oh, fuck yes.

Oh, my fucking God.

Oh, fuck yes.

Oh, fuck, I feel so fucking good.

to fucking use me. Yes. You're gonna share me as your little fucking sex toy.

What? What's that?

Oh, yeah.

Oh, my God. Both of you is my fucking woman. Please, come on.

I want to tease him with your pussy.

Alright, next shot will do.

I want you to fucking look at him and feel how hard he's fucking me like that.

Yeah.

Like that.

Oh, my God.

Fuck it. He's so deep. He's so deep. He's so deep.

Yes. Take it. I want to take it. I want to take it. I want to take it.

You're such a good fucking girl.

You're such a good fucking girl.

Yes.

Use me like your little boy.

He's fucking me so good, he's fucking me so good

You fucking left that cocked down too.

I'm so fucking dick drunk. She's so happy with that. But it's the good for a

smile, though.

You're such a good sharer.

I'll share with you.

You just look so good taking it. Oh, my gosh.

I feel like it's drugged.

I think I'm ready to take some cotton from you.

A little bit,

yeah. I'm greedy.

There we go.

I'm so fucking sloppy for you.

Yes.

Oh, fuck. Yes. Yes.

I know what I want

oh my god

oh my god

I feel big fucking tits right in your face.

Both of our fucking asses to choose from.

Like a pussy buffet.

You're such a fucking good kisser.

I feel my fucking clip rubbing right up against

you like that.

Oh my

god. Oh my god.

Fucking Christ, this cock feels good.

Yes.

Rub it all over me. Rub it all over me. Yes. Come all over me.

Oh, fuck.

Yes.

I feel it dripping out of your mouth. Yes.

I feel it dripping out of your mouth.

Yes.

Thank you.

Especially that cream pie.

Oh my gosh.

Excitement. Holy shit.

The best fucking view in the house.

To play with your perfect fucking asshole.

Gary's fucking cocking you.

Oh my god.

I want you to let every fucking drop drip onto my face. I know.

I'm having so much fun. You ready?

Yeah. I want to see it. I want to see it. I want to see it.

Yes!

Yes.

Holy shit, yes.

Yes,

yes, yes.

Oh, fuck.

It's pretty, pretty, pretty.

Look at my finger.

Mmm.

Mmm.

thank me for being bad. I don't know. I'm just saying it was pretty bad. It

was pretty bad.

Oh.

What happened there?

Wow.

You were a fucking vacuum cleaner.

You know what? That's my new nickname.

Linus Vacuum Cleaner.

So good.

That was hot as fuck.

That was really hot. That was hot as fuck.

And there was so much more creep. Where did it all come from on your knee?

You know, it blasted out of her as soon as I pulled out. Oh, it came all over

the knee. It went straight from her fucking pussy to the couch.

I was surprised that happened because you were like doing it deep.

Yeah, I just assumed it would be deep. No, it just... Well, at least I got it

in the end. My vagina was like, you're already pregnant. Let's get this out of

here.