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# Living on a lighted stage #
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# Approaches the unreal #
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# For those who think and feel #
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# In touch with some reality #
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# Beyond the gilded cage #
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Ahh!
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Owww! Ohhh!
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Oh!
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Would you please welcome
from Canada, Rush!
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# There's no bread, let them eat cake #
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# And there's no end to what they'll take #
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# Flaunt the fruits of noble birth #
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# And wash the salt into the earth #
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# But they're marching to Bastille Day #
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# La guillotine claimed her bloody prize #
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If you get a band together,
growing up,
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you didn't think
about writing your own music,
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you learned other songs
and you identified yourself
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by the kind of music you played
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and all the best players quickly learned
the language was Rush.
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The first time I heard Rush,
I was like, "Oh, my God,"
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I had no idea this band was this incredible.
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I became obsessed.
They were my gods.
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I listened to it and I thought,
"Wow! That is amazing playing."
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My mind was just totally blown.
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I bought every magazine, I had every record,
I cut out every picture,
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I would go to sleep at night
with Rush on the heads,
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I'd wake up and it was still playing.
I did that.
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I, Sebastian Bach,
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was member number three
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of the Rush backstage club at Toronto,
mother trucker.
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Rush is just one of those bands
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that has a deep reservoir of rocket sauce.
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A lot of bands,
they've only got so much in the bottle.
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They use it up sometimes in one song.
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These guys were the real deal.
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Their bottle was so big
and so filled to the brim,
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they were shaking it literally for decades
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and still there was sauce coming out.
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What makes Rush unique is fearlessness.
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It's the quality of starting to write a song
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and not caring about what's popular,
what's not.
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There's only one band that sounds like that.
What kind of band is Rush? It's Rush.
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I believe that when people step back
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and actually really look
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at who the great bands were,
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they are one of those bands
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but somehow
they were never popular enough
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that they get commonly name-checked
as one of the great bands of all time.
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A lot of the other stuff
has been over-explained.
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Zeppelin has been over-explained,
the Beatles have been over-explained,
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it doesn't tell the whole story,
and you could say,
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"Why was this band marginalized.
What was it?" It doesn't matter.
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At some point they're there and somebody
has to explain why they're there.
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# Living on a lighted stage #
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# Approaches the unreal #
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# For those who think and feel #
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# In touch with some reality #
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# Beyond the gilded cage #
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# Cast in this unlikely role #
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# Ill-equipped to act #
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# With insufficient tact #
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# One must put up barriers #
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# To keep oneself intact #
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# Living in the limelight #
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# The universal dream #
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# For those who wish to seem #
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I guess we should start at the
beginning and talk about your upbringing,
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where you were born
and what your childhood was like.
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OK, how do I start my beginnings?
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I was born in Willowdale, Ontario.
I was a nebbishy, quiet kid.
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My parents were both Holocaust survivors
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and emigrated here after the war.
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They basically arrived
with ten bucks in their pocket
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and worked their way up
to a lower-middle-class kind of income
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and raised me in the suburbs.
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When we first moved in,
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we were one of the few Jewish families
to live in our neighborhood
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and we were constantly living in terror
of being beat up because of that fact,
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so it was an exciting time.
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When I was twelve, my father passed away
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and I had to go to synagogue
in the morning and in the evening
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every day for eleven months and one day.
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I was not really
allowed to listen to music.
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So that whole year was devoid
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of what all the other kids
were just starting to get turned on to.
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After the year, he really came out
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and he was himself.
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I said to Gedd, "Mom wants
to buy you a nice present,
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"you're such a good,
hard-working kid."
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He says, "Mom, next door
Terry has a guitar."
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As we drove into the drive I said,
"Here's $50, go to Terry, get your guitar."
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And then Alex entered my life
in junior high school.
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We liked the same kind of bands
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but I think we bonded more
over our goofiness than over music.
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My earliest memory of you
is your paisley shirt.
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- Your purple paisley shirt.
- Yeah.
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It was purple. Burgundy, God...
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...corduroys.
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I was born in Fernie
in British Columbia.
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My parents came over
after the war from Yugoslavia.
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We moved to Toronto and I would say
it was a very normal upbringing.
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My father usually had two or three jobs
at any given time
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and he believed
that if you wanted something,
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you went out and you worked for it. Period.
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This is when Alex was a youngster
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and this is when he was
a Navy League cadet.
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He was such a cutie.
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One day he came and he said,
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"Mom, Dad, if I bring you
a good report card,
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"will you buy me a guitar?"
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And, you know,
he brought a very good report card
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and we promised,
and we didn't even have money,
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we just borrowed the money
and bought him a guitar.
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I would come home after school
and play until dinner
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and then, supposed to do my homework,
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I just played the guitar all the time.
I couldn't stop playing.
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This wasn't here.
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None of these houses,
it's just the school and the field.
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Yeah. There's Fisherville.
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I remember my homeroom class
was the third window from the end.
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Alex was always
the teacher's pet at school,
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he always smiled up to the teachers
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and, you know, he was a real schmoozer.
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We were in the same homeroom.
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Did we used to take
all our classes together?
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In grade nine we did.
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And one year we wrote each other's test.
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We had almost finished with the test
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and we said at the end, "You sign my name,
I'll sign yours." "OK."
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We were bad.
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Oh, yeah, I do remember...
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That's how bad we were.
We upset the teacher.
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We were very similar.
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We both felt like we were really
outside the rest of our class,
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the rest of our school,
the rest of everything.
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And then we discovered this manic love
for music that we both had.
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We got this gig, early in September
of 1968, in this church basement.
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John Rutsey was a neighbor
that played the drums
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and I asked Gedd if he would sit in
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because he knew these same songs
that we all knew.
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So I said, "Sure," I came down
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and we were playing this drop-in center
in Willowdale called The Coffin.
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That was The Coffin there.
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You used to come in here
and you used to go downstairs.
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We had maybe 35 people there,
we got paid $10 to do the show,
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for the whole band, not each, ten bucks
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and we went to Pancer's Deli afterwards
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and the three of us sat in a booth
planning our takeover of the world.
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# My head is full of sunshine #
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# My world is spinning round #
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# Here come the magic people #
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# The people with the freedom sound #
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# Sound #
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When I started
hanging around with Alex and John,
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we would come downtown
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and there was a coffee shop in Yorkville
called the Upper Crusts
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and a lot of musicians would hang out there.
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There was another band that we really
idolized at the time called The Paupers.
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You could see the guys
from that band hanging around
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so we would go in there and order a cup of
tea like they were, trying to be cool,
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and we were just
these little suburban hippies.
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Always playing with your hair, you know.
Trying to look like you fit in.
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I was living on Yorkville Avenue
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and I had met the guys
at a concert in a church hall.
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Even though they were
sixteen-year-old kids,
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they were incredibly good players.
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I was a fan immediately.
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They were playing
the kind of music that I liked.
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Ray said, "You guys need
a manager," and what did we know?
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We said, "Yeah, sure.
Get us up to twelve bucks from ten bucks."
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And Ray started booking dances
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and putting up posters on telephone poles
and we started to grow.
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In Ontario at the time,
with a drinking age that high,
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the high schools took it upon themselves
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to create entertainment for teenagers.
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So there was a real circuit to do.
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That's really what bands did
back then, you played at a school dance
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and hopefully you had a repertoire
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that covered lots
of the current popular music,
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but that wasn't really our thing.
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# I had a woman not too long ago #
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# A cool-hearted woman,
let my feelings show #
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# Damn, that woman, I do all I got #
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# Ooh, all I wanted was to treat her good #
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# Can't understand it,
no matter how I tried #
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# Till one day my heart grew cold inside #
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# Fancy dancer, oh, can't you see #
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We played a lot of Sadie Hawkins dances,
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we played a lot of dances
where people couldn't dance very well
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because we weren't really a dance band.
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Everyone would be staying
at the back of the hall,
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they wouldn't even be coming near us,
like we were contagious.
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We probably bummed out a lot of people
on their high-school memories.
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I was trying to do this full time and stay alive
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and they were still in high school.
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They were a part-time band
playing high schools on weekends
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and they were practicing
at Geddy and Alex's house.
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We were rehearsing in my
basement and playing with these guys.
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They weren't Jewish guys.
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We were really loud and it didn't sound
anything like music to my family.
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They just thought I was nuts.
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They thought I was probably
a drug-taking freak so they were scared,
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they were freaked out,
they didn't know what to do.
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They didn't know how to handle it.
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The whole neighborhood
was just bumping
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because the music was so loud
and everything was vibrating.
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I really didn't like it
and it wasn't my kind of music.
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Perry Como was my kind
of music.
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Alex's mom and I
used to talk always on the phone,
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crying at each other's shoulder.
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It was hard because he wanted to just play
and practice and he couldn't study,
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he would go to sleep late,
couldn't get up
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and that's why he said,
"I'm quitting grade 12,"
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and we were very upset.
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Like, I don't wanna make
a bunch of money.
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Like, if I make a lot of money that's great,
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but I'm not going to go to university
and get a big degree.
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Hang on, no.
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I don't wanna drive around in a big car
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and get people to go, "Hey, there goes Alex,
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"he's loaded with money
and, wow, he's really set himself up great."
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I don't see why I have to go through
all the bullshit of high school
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to learn music.
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It's not that we're forcing Alex
to go to university right now or anything.
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We're just asking a little favor of him,
just to finish grade 12,
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and then he's on his own.
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We wanted for him to be something,
to have education.
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I was a little bit worried
about his future.
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If he doesn't finish high school,
what's gonna happen?
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And if the group doesn't succeed,
you know, it was tough.
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It was tough to go through that.
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You know, the thing is,
my parents were right.
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I thought I knew everything.
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I have said to you, Alex,
I want you to be free to expand.
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You know,
they came from Yugoslavia,
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people were getting killed everywhere.
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My dad was in prison camps.
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They came to Canada
and their kids were everything.
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That was, I'm sure,
a great disappointment to them
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that I wasn't going to do something
that was more professional.
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The whole idea of leaving school
was a stressful decision,
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but at that age
I was just wanting to be a kid
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and there was so much heaviness
in my family's life.
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Being Holocaust survivors,
losing your dad at twelve,
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I kind of wanted
to run away from that a little bit.
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To my mother it was the equivalent
of joining the circus.
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She didn't see any music
in what we were doing,
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this was just madness
and she didn't really get it
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until she, one day, years later,
saw me on television
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and then it kind of...
"Oh, he's an entertainer." You know?
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"Now I understand what he's doing."
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Once again we're back
at the Laura Secord secondary school
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and we've got a great trio of guys here
who call themselves Rush
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and I'll let John, the drummer, introduce
the rest of the guys to you right now.
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Well, introducing,
on lead guitar and vocals Alex Lifeson.
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And on lead vocals and bass guitar,
Geddy Lee.
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And sitting behind the drums,
here, myself John Rutsey.
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OK, we're gonna see in this number
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if we can get you to make
a little noise along with us.
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It doesn't take too much,
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all you've got to do
is put your hands together like this.
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# Well, I've been lyin'
and I've been sneakin' #
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# Ooh, yeah, yeah #
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# Well, I've been crowin'
and I've been weepin' #
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# Ooh, yeah, yeah #
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# Ooh, your lovin' makes me feel #
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# Makes me feel mighty real #
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# Well, I've been Ionely
and I've been duped, yeah #
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# Ooh, yes, now, baby, don't stop #
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# I know nothin' about you #
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The turning point came in 1971,
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when the drinking age was lowered
to 18 from 21 in Ontario.
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As soon as the drinking age dropped to 18,
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it was right at the time we turned 18,
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so we could finally start playing in bars
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which were better paying,
more serious gigs.
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What happened
is Yorkville got shut down by 1970.
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They wanted to rid that area of hippies
and the clubs
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and shift it onto Young Street
and onto Queen Street as well.
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And as soon as the drinking age
went down in '71,
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it invited a whole different kind of music
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because a drinking crowd
wants a different kind of entertainment
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than a listening crowd.
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You wanted something harder and heavier.
So a whole new world grew.
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The scene in Toronto was vibrant
as far as live bands go.
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There were a ton of live venues.
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I went into a place called
the Abbey Road pub on Queen Street
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and saw Rush one night.
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I was watching them, going,
"Wow, there's something going on here."
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We went from playing
a couple of high-school dances
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in the course of a month,
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to playing six nights a week
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with matinees on Saturdays sometimes
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and playing four or five 40-minute sets.
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We started to get
a little more experimental with music
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and that was great because that's really
where we learned our chops.
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We're gonna do a number
called Garden Road for you!
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# Passin' down this garden road,
I've passed it many times #
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# Beauty flashing in the yard #
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# Covers many vines #
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# Each day I seek
the answer that I must know #
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# I found my questions
on this garden road #
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Initially, I was trying
to get them a record deal
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and no one was willing to sign them.
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I couldn't get arrested.
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So it became obvious that I was gonna
have to come up with the money
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and do the record myself.
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We looked for, jeez,
I guess about four months,
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trying to get a record deal on Rush
in this country
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and couldn't get anyone interested at all.
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There was just no reaction.
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We were willing
to literally give the album away
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if somebody would just make
a commitment to promote it.
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Couldn't get that.
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Part of the general attitude in Canada
is, unfortunately,
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the people coming out to see you,
not all of them, but quite a few of them
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go, "Well, they're a local band,
how good can they be?"
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And it's funny when other people
from the States come out
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and they see these so-called local bands,
they go, "Man, these guys are fantastic."
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There was no one in Canada to sign you.
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There were no record companies here,
they were outposts really.
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You had to get an American deal
if you wanted to do anything.
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# Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks! #
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Cleveland Rocks on WMMS!
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I was up in my office
and I was listening to the new music.
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We were deciding
what we were going to play that week
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and, suddenly,
I get this thing from Canada.
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I remember dropping the needle
on what was the longest cut,
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because back in those days in album rock,
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you were always looking
for what was called "bathroom songs."
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And a bathroom song was something
333
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that if you did have to answer
the call of nature,
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the record wouldn't run out.
And then I start listening to the song
335
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and I'm just, "Oh, my God, this is
a perfect record for Cleveland."
336
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Back then it was a factory town.
337
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The song Working Man, every listener
in the audience felt like that.
338
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# I get up at seven, yeah #
339
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# And I go to work at nine #
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# I got no time for livin' #
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# Yes, I'm workin' all the time #
342
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# It seems to me I could live my life #
343
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# A lot better than I think I am #
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# I guess that's why they call me #
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# They call me the workin' man #
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Phones light up immediately.
"When's the new Led Zeppelin album out?"
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"No, no, not a new Led Zeppelin album,
a Canadian band, Rush."
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Every time the record gets played,
349
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people are calling,
"Where can we get one?"
350
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We had this cult following going already.
351
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June 1974, I was working
at Mercury Records in Chicago,
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it was a Monday morning
and on my desk was an album.
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A note comes along with it,
354
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it says, "This is the first album
by a Canadian group called Rush,"
355
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and that it's already selling in Cleveland
356
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and they're looking for a deal
in the United States.
357
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The artists and repertoire person
who would normally listen was not in,
358
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so they took it
to the least qualified guy, me.
359
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I put on the record and got blown away.
360
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I said, "Get the president
of the company on the line.
361
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"We should sign this band."
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He said, "Don't make a deal with anyone
until we talk."
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And he loved the record
and he really wanted to sign us.
364
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By the end of the day
we'd worked out a deal,
365
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signing the band
within eight hours of hearing it.
366
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We went from getting this offer to getting
an advance, to buying equipment.
367
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Everything was happening
very, very quickly.
368
00:21:01,390 --> 00:21:05,053
I don't think that John really
felt comfortable with what was happening.
369
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We talked about musical differences
370
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and he was a much more
straightahead rock kind of guy.
371
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He was more into Bad Company
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whereas Gedd and I were
more into Yes and Genesis
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and Pink Floyd and bands like that.
374
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If we'd stayed on the Toronto local circuit,
375
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we probably would have stayed together
and that would have been fine
376
00:21:20,542 --> 00:21:23,568
but suddenly things were turning a page.
377
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John was not a healthy boy,
he had sugar diabetes.
378
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Of course, like any teenager,
he liked to drink and whatever else.
379
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He was not taking care of himself
and I took Geddy and Alex aside and Ray
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and I said, "We have to replace John.
For his health."
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We can't put him out there on that tour
382
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or we'll be bringing him home in a box.
383
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So I discussed it with John,
384
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of course he was heartbroken,
but he understood.
385
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There was no saying
that John wasn't doing his job.
386
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It wasn't for his ability to drum
that he was let go,
387
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it was for health reasons.
388
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It's like coming to the end of high
school
389
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and you're with all your friends and you
think, "We'll know each other forever,"
390
00:22:01,450 --> 00:22:03,543
and then everybody just goes
in their own direction
391
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and, for the most part,
you never see those people again.
392
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It was a big deal,
we had an American contract,
393
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we were going to the States,
394
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we only had less than a month
to find somebody
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and get them in shape for us
to go on the road.
396
00:22:14,396 --> 00:22:17,456
We needed a drummer.
Let's put it like that.
397
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Oh, ho! Broken drumhead!
398
00:22:46,728 --> 00:22:48,992
I thought it would be good
to start at the beginning.
399
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Oh, how predictable.
400
00:22:50,399 --> 00:22:52,924
The very beginning. Where you
were born and where you grew up.
401
00:22:53,035 --> 00:22:54,935
Much of that I don't remember.
402
00:22:55,037 --> 00:22:57,062
I know that I was born on the...
403
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We were living on the family farm
near Hagersville, Ontario, at the time.
404
00:23:00,209 --> 00:23:02,609
We went to the nearest hospital,
which was in Hamilton
405
00:23:02,711 --> 00:23:06,078
and moved to St. Catherine's
when I was about four or so.
406
00:23:06,181 --> 00:23:09,173
I had never been athletic,
I never could play hockey,
407
00:23:09,284 --> 00:23:12,378
I skated on my ankles,
which, for a young Canadian kid,
408
00:23:12,488 --> 00:23:16,219
that's automatically like the hugest curse
a young boy could have.
409
00:23:16,325 --> 00:23:19,089
Well, he was...
In those days, I used to say weird.
410
00:23:19,194 --> 00:23:20,627
He just read everything.
411
00:23:20,729 --> 00:23:22,890
He just read everything there was to read.
412
00:23:22,998 --> 00:23:24,829
He even had to learn to knit
413
00:23:24,933 --> 00:23:27,401
because he had to know how that was done.
414
00:23:27,503 --> 00:23:31,200
It was horrible coming into high
school, once I got interested in rock bands
415
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and started to grow my hair
a little over my ears
416
00:23:33,709 --> 00:23:35,700
and wear bell-bottoms and all that stuff.
417
00:23:35,811 --> 00:23:37,369
The taunting in the hallways
418
00:23:37,479 --> 00:23:40,209
and even physical abuse
out in the smoking area.
419
00:23:40,315 --> 00:23:42,545
The constant misfit sense.
420
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For any kid, especially a sensitive one,
it just wears you down,
421
00:23:46,989 --> 00:23:50,550
so that's why drumming became
an instrument of self-esteem for me.
422
00:23:50,659 --> 00:23:53,219
This was the first time
I was admired for anything.
423
00:23:53,328 --> 00:23:55,922
And that doubled my fervor
about playing drums.
424
00:24:03,105 --> 00:24:06,199
Fortunately, I was in a very serious band
at the time called J.R. Flood.
425
00:24:06,308 --> 00:24:07,434
We'd practice all weekdays
426
00:24:07,543 --> 00:24:10,068
and then weekends we'd be playing
high schools around Ontario
427
00:24:10,178 --> 00:24:11,475
or the nights at Columbus Halls.
428
00:24:25,027 --> 00:24:28,428
In the summer of '74, I was working
behind the parts counter for my dad
429
00:24:28,530 --> 00:24:31,556
at the farm equipment dealer
and this white Corvette pulled up.
430
00:24:31,667 --> 00:24:34,932
A white Corvette doesn't pull up
in a farm equipment dealership that often.
431
00:24:35,037 --> 00:24:36,004
They came and asked
432
00:24:36,104 --> 00:24:38,629
if they could talk to Neil
and take him out for lunch
433
00:24:38,740 --> 00:24:41,709
and I could tell, as Neil came back,
the rest of the afternoon
434
00:24:41,810 --> 00:24:44,142
that he was really troubled with something.
435
00:24:44,246 --> 00:24:47,613
He told me then that these guys
were the managers of Rush
436
00:24:47,716 --> 00:24:49,911
and they wanted Neil to come over
and audition
437
00:24:50,018 --> 00:24:51,508
and he said, "I don't know what to do, Dad."
438
00:24:51,620 --> 00:24:53,645
And I said, "Well, two things.
439
00:24:53,755 --> 00:24:56,553
"First of all, we'll talk it over
with your mother
440
00:24:56,658 --> 00:24:58,751
"but secondly, as far as I'm concerned,
441
00:24:58,860 --> 00:25:01,920
"this is your passion,
this is all you have wanted all your life,"
442
00:25:02,030 --> 00:25:05,466
and I said, "I guess there will always be
a parts department here
443
00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:07,330
"so I think you've got to go for it."
444
00:25:07,436 --> 00:25:09,802
So I borrowed my mom's Pinto,
445
00:25:09,905 --> 00:25:10,963
so perfect,
446
00:25:11,073 --> 00:25:13,541
and loaded my drums into that
and drove up to Ajax.
447
00:25:13,642 --> 00:25:19,774
So this car pulls up with this kind of
gangly guy, really kind of short hair.
448
00:25:19,881 --> 00:25:23,339
My first impression
was that he was kind of goofy.
449
00:25:23,452 --> 00:25:27,286
I remember thinking, "God, he's not nearly
cool enough to be in this band."
450
00:25:27,389 --> 00:25:29,755
I had Rogers with two 18-inch bass drums
451
00:25:29,858 --> 00:25:31,849
and everything set up really high
452
00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:35,452
and kind of weird-Iooking,
and I was kind of weird-Iooking.
453
00:25:35,564 --> 00:25:38,158
And then he started playing,
he pounded the crap out of those drums.
454
00:25:38,266 --> 00:25:41,463
He played like Keith Moon
and John Bonham at the same time.
455
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:44,539
I was blown away.
As soon as he started playing.
456
00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:47,507
He's playing these triplets
and it was so good.
457
00:25:47,609 --> 00:25:51,272
I think it's very common for musicians,
especially in your early years,
458
00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:53,610
to feel that you totally blew it
and I had that feeling.
459
00:25:53,715 --> 00:25:56,548
I could've played better,
I should've played better, all that stuff,
460
00:25:56,652 --> 00:26:00,019
but, um, they picked me.
461
00:26:07,996 --> 00:26:09,827
# Hey, now, baby #
462
00:26:11,299 --> 00:26:13,267
# Well, I like your smile #
463
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:18,328
# Won't you come and talk to me #
464
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,772
# For a little while? #
465
00:26:22,244 --> 00:26:24,508
# Well, you're makin' me crazy #
466
00:26:25,914 --> 00:26:28,144
# The way you roll them eyes #
467
00:26:29,418 --> 00:26:33,081
# Won't you come and sit with me? #
468
00:26:33,188 --> 00:26:35,554
# I'll tell you all my lies #
469
00:26:36,591 --> 00:26:39,583
It was like a tornado came and hit my life
and swept it away.
470
00:26:39,695 --> 00:26:41,458
We had two weeks to prepare
471
00:26:41,563 --> 00:26:43,793
and to learn songs
that I'd never heard before
472
00:26:43,899 --> 00:26:45,764
and to gel a little bit as much as we could.
473
00:26:45,867 --> 00:26:48,495
The first show was going to be
in front of 11,000 people
474
00:26:48,603 --> 00:26:49,763
at Pittsburgh Civic Arena,
475
00:26:49,871 --> 00:26:51,930
opening for Manfred Mann
and Uriah Heep.
476
00:27:00,549 --> 00:27:02,244
# The only time she's happy #
477
00:27:02,350 --> 00:27:05,376
# Is when the bullets fly, fly, fly, fly #
478
00:27:06,254 --> 00:27:10,281
# And she'll make you feel
you're better than any other guy #
479
00:27:10,392 --> 00:27:13,691
We found that the biggest
rock audience was Midwest
480
00:27:13,795 --> 00:27:16,457
and we gave Rush
the perfect audience to come into.
481
00:27:16,565 --> 00:27:19,659
It was a great rock audience,
and they loved their rock music.
482
00:27:19,768 --> 00:27:22,862
We had a dressing room
that was just a small kind of room
483
00:27:22,971 --> 00:27:25,337
under the stands at the far end of the arena,
484
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,499
away from the other dressing rooms.
485
00:27:27,609 --> 00:27:29,770
We had this tour manager,
Howard Ungerleider,
486
00:27:29,878 --> 00:27:31,209
who had come in from New York,
487
00:27:31,313 --> 00:27:33,838
he was teaching us how to be professional.
488
00:27:33,949 --> 00:27:36,782
I remember Howard saying,
"You can have booze or something
489
00:27:36,885 --> 00:27:39,945
"and they'll supply it for you."
And we went, "Really? OK. Cool."
490
00:27:40,055 --> 00:27:42,819
I ordered, like, a little bottle
of Southern Comfort
491
00:27:42,924 --> 00:27:46,758
and I think Alex ordered Blue Nun wine
or something like that.
492
00:27:46,862 --> 00:27:49,831
I remember taking a sip of this stuff
and it went straight to my head
493
00:27:49,931 --> 00:27:54,197
and I was completely dizzy
and we hit the stage.
494
00:27:54,302 --> 00:27:56,236
By the time I kind of came to my senses,
495
00:27:56,338 --> 00:27:58,306
the set was over and we were off
496
00:27:58,406 --> 00:28:00,499
and I had no idea how well we'd played.
497
00:28:00,609 --> 00:28:04,340
My immediate thoughts were,
"God, he can sing high."
498
00:28:04,446 --> 00:28:08,075
That was my first thought, and how full
it sounded for just a three piece.
499
00:28:08,183 --> 00:28:09,445
Rush came out and nailed it.
500
00:28:09,551 --> 00:28:12,918
It was obvious that they were going
to move up the ladder pretty quick.
501
00:28:13,021 --> 00:28:15,888
# Hey, baby, it's a quarter to eight #
502
00:28:15,991 --> 00:28:18,425
# I feel I'm in the mood #
503
00:28:19,928 --> 00:28:22,453
# Hey, baby, the hour is late #
504
00:28:22,564 --> 00:28:24,964
# I feel I've got to move #
505
00:28:26,768 --> 00:28:29,931
It was huge. This was the start
of our tour and it was America.
506
00:28:30,038 --> 00:28:33,530
Big, bold, beautiful America
and we were so excited to be doing it.
507
00:28:33,642 --> 00:28:36,475
Here are these three
twenty-year-old guys living a dream.
508
00:28:36,578 --> 00:28:37,943
It was a very exciting time
509
00:28:38,046 --> 00:28:41,447
and we were working eleven days on,
one day off, nine days on, one day off.
510
00:28:41,550 --> 00:28:44,075
We were really working a lot
and traveling all over the place.
511
00:28:44,186 --> 00:28:45,676
The circuit was different back then.
512
00:28:45,787 --> 00:28:47,220
The money certainly wasn't as great
513
00:28:47,322 --> 00:28:49,813
and you wanted to play
five or six times a week.
514
00:28:49,925 --> 00:28:54,259
You could play markets like Johnson City,
Tennessee or Yakima, Washington.
515
00:28:54,362 --> 00:28:57,559
You would talk about how many shows
in Iowa you were going to do.
516
00:28:57,666 --> 00:29:00,726
Every day and we would always
share the driving.
517
00:29:00,836 --> 00:29:02,235
Everybody was sharing rooms.
518
00:29:02,337 --> 00:29:04,862
We had a room rotation schedule
back then. It was kind of fun.
519
00:29:04,973 --> 00:29:09,171
Traveling around in a rental car,
it wasn't even a bus or a van.
520
00:29:09,277 --> 00:29:10,676
Sleeping on your baggage.
521
00:29:10,779 --> 00:29:13,145
Now, you know,
you'd be in traction for a month
522
00:29:13,248 --> 00:29:16,649
if you did a week traveling
like we used to travel for months.
523
00:29:36,137 --> 00:29:40,233
The life of an opening act back then
was hooking up from circuit to circuit.
524
00:29:40,342 --> 00:29:42,173
Sometimes you didn't know
where you were going
525
00:29:42,277 --> 00:29:43,904
because sometimes
your gigs would run out
526
00:29:44,012 --> 00:29:46,981
and you'd be in the States waiting to find out
if you're on another tour.
527
00:29:47,082 --> 00:29:49,642
# Rock 'n' roll! #
528
00:29:56,091 --> 00:29:59,390
# Baby gets tired, everybody knows #
529
00:29:59,494 --> 00:30:01,860
As soon as we heard
that first Rush record,
530
00:30:01,963 --> 00:30:05,023
we just were like, "What is this?
This is like Canadian Zeppelin."
531
00:30:05,133 --> 00:30:08,432
"Yeah! Oh, yeah!"
"What the hell is that?"
532
00:30:08,536 --> 00:30:11,505
And we literally said,
"We want that band to open Canada."
533
00:30:11,606 --> 00:30:13,233
We then took them across America.
534
00:30:13,341 --> 00:30:18,540
With Kiss we probably played 50, 60 shows
in the first couple of tours,
535
00:30:18,647 --> 00:30:21,741
where they were just
this weird band from New York,
536
00:30:21,850 --> 00:30:24,284
and we got very, very close.
537
00:30:24,386 --> 00:30:25,512
# Baby, won't you tell me #
538
00:30:25,620 --> 00:30:28,282
# Baby, rock 'n' roll, yeah, yeah #
539
00:30:28,390 --> 00:30:30,722
# Do you wanna rock 'n' roll? #
540
00:30:30,825 --> 00:30:33,953
Regardless of what
you want to say about Kiss,
541
00:30:34,062 --> 00:30:35,290
musically or otherwise,
542
00:30:35,397 --> 00:30:37,627
there was no harder-working band than Kiss
543
00:30:37,732 --> 00:30:42,260
and there was no band more determined
to put on a spectacular show
544
00:30:42,370 --> 00:30:44,429
and give people
their money's worth than Kiss.
545
00:30:44,539 --> 00:30:47,565
That was a great thing to see
as an opening act.
546
00:30:47,676 --> 00:30:50,167
We were so impressionable
and we were so green.
547
00:30:50,278 --> 00:30:51,540
They were very good to us.
548
00:30:51,646 --> 00:30:54,581
Those guys liked to have a good time,
especially Gene,
549
00:30:54,683 --> 00:30:58,084
and their hotels were always
fun to watch.
550
00:30:59,254 --> 00:31:01,779
Every night after the show,
the girls would line up.
551
00:31:01,890 --> 00:31:04,916
My God! You can even be an ugly bastard
like me and get laid
552
00:31:05,026 --> 00:31:06,653
and none of the Rush guys ever did.
553
00:31:06,761 --> 00:31:10,094
I just never understood it.
I said, "They're not gay?" "No."
554
00:31:10,198 --> 00:31:12,598
"Farm animals?"
"No, that's not it."
555
00:31:12,701 --> 00:31:16,728
I... What the fuck did you do
when you went back to your hotel room?
556
00:31:16,838 --> 00:31:19,705
I even remember one night,
it was in Milwaukee I think,
557
00:31:19,808 --> 00:31:23,403
and there was a female bowling league
sharing the same floor
558
00:31:23,511 --> 00:31:25,809
and they were walking around
in their nightgowns
559
00:31:25,914 --> 00:31:28,610
and their hotel room doors are open
and they're drinking.
560
00:31:28,717 --> 00:31:32,153
All the guys in Rush are in their rooms
just watching TV after a gig.
561
00:31:32,253 --> 00:31:34,448
They probably woke up the next day, going,
562
00:31:34,556 --> 00:31:36,456
"God, these Canadian bands
sure are boring."
563
00:31:46,401 --> 00:31:48,961
That was a "getting to know you"
period for us and Neil.
564
00:31:49,070 --> 00:31:51,231
He was one of the weirdest people
we'd ever met
565
00:31:51,339 --> 00:31:52,704
because we'd never met anyone
566
00:31:52,807 --> 00:31:54,968
that was so literate
and so opinionated before.
567
00:31:55,076 --> 00:31:56,202
And it was hard for him.
568
00:31:56,311 --> 00:32:00,748
He was always and still is the new guy
in some strange way.
569
00:32:00,849 --> 00:32:03,750
Alex and I were bonded, old friends
570
00:32:03,852 --> 00:32:06,912
and he had to kinda
make his way to be part of that.
571
00:32:07,022 --> 00:32:10,355
In some ways he was very serious
and we were totally goofy,
572
00:32:10,458 --> 00:32:14,519
certainly he had a bigger brain than us
and that was a target.
573
00:32:14,629 --> 00:32:16,460
What more perfect, portable education
574
00:32:16,564 --> 00:32:19,931
than having a lot of free time on your hands
and bookstores everywhere?
575
00:32:20,035 --> 00:32:21,525
So for the next few years I'd say,
576
00:32:21,636 --> 00:32:24,298
basically, I started filling those hours
with reading.
577
00:32:24,406 --> 00:32:26,806
And we'd say,
"Look at how many books he reads.
578
00:32:26,908 --> 00:32:28,170
"Look at the words he uses,
579
00:32:28,276 --> 00:32:30,870
"this guy is probably capable
of writing lyrics!"
580
00:32:30,979 --> 00:32:32,640
# Beneath the noble bird #
581
00:32:32,747 --> 00:32:34,840
# Between the proudest words #
582
00:32:34,949 --> 00:32:38,282
# Behind the beauty cracks appear #
583
00:32:39,154 --> 00:32:41,019
# Once with heads held high #
584
00:32:41,122 --> 00:32:43,113
# They sang out to the sky #
585
00:32:43,224 --> 00:32:46,591
# Why do their shadows bow in fear? #
586
00:32:47,195 --> 00:32:51,723
It was really stimulating,
but really a mouthful to sing
587
00:32:51,833 --> 00:32:55,963
in the kind of rocking style
that we were doing at that time.
588
00:32:56,071 --> 00:32:59,438
# Anthem of the heart
and anthem of the mind #
589
00:32:59,541 --> 00:33:02,408
# A funeral dirge for eyes gone blind #
590
00:33:03,311 --> 00:33:05,677
# We marvel after those who sought #
591
00:33:06,147 --> 00:33:09,446
# Wonders in the world,
wonders in the world #
592
00:33:09,551 --> 00:33:13,487
# Wonders in the world they wrought #
593
00:33:13,588 --> 00:33:15,522
We worked on songs as we traveled.
594
00:33:15,623 --> 00:33:17,853
On my little handwritten lyric sheets
for the time
595
00:33:17,959 --> 00:33:20,359
I think I wrote the cities
that all of those songs were written,
596
00:33:20,462 --> 00:33:21,986
they varied widely all over the map.
597
00:33:22,097 --> 00:33:23,587
It was like the Monkees, you know.
598
00:33:23,698 --> 00:33:25,256
Alex would have an acoustic guitar
599
00:33:25,366 --> 00:33:28,767
and we'd be working on a song in a
rental car, in a hotel room after a show.
600
00:33:28,870 --> 00:33:31,100
That's how, pretty much,
Fly By Night was written.
601
00:33:31,206 --> 00:33:32,571
That's the way bands used to do it.
602
00:33:32,674 --> 00:33:34,869
They'd write the record
while they were on the road.
603
00:33:34,976 --> 00:33:36,807
They'd go home and cut it
in two or three weeks
604
00:33:36,911 --> 00:33:38,742
and a new album would appear
every six months.
605
00:33:38,847 --> 00:33:40,474
Pretty amazing to think of that today.
606
00:33:48,923 --> 00:33:52,051
# Why try? I know why #
607
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:55,789
# This feeling inside me
says it's time I was gone #
608
00:33:55,897 --> 00:33:59,162
# Clear head, new life ahead #
609
00:33:59,267 --> 00:34:02,896
# It's time I was king now,
not just one more pawn #
610
00:34:03,004 --> 00:34:06,269
# Fly by night away from here #
611
00:34:06,374 --> 00:34:08,774
# Change my life again #
612
00:34:09,878 --> 00:34:12,779
# Fly by night, goodbye, my dear #
613
00:34:12,881 --> 00:34:16,408
# My ship isn't coming
and I just can't pretend #
614
00:34:23,091 --> 00:34:25,889
Fly By Night was a little different
from the first record
615
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:27,655
so the record company wasn't sure
616
00:34:27,762 --> 00:34:30,731
if we were developing in the correct way.
617
00:34:30,832 --> 00:34:33,733
They wanted us
to be more like Bad Company
618
00:34:33,835 --> 00:34:36,861
and not so much like this weird thing
that we were becoming.
619
00:34:36,971 --> 00:34:39,599
By-Tor And The Snow Dog,
what the hell was that all about?
620
00:34:39,707 --> 00:34:41,299
With By-Tor And The Snow Dog,
621
00:34:41,409 --> 00:34:45,846
that was the start of writing
in more of a thematic, multi-piece idea.
622
00:34:45,947 --> 00:34:47,414
And then with Caress Of Steel
623
00:34:47,515 --> 00:34:49,983
we did the whole side
of Fountain Of Lamneth
624
00:34:50,084 --> 00:34:52,279
and the Necromancer was kind of like that,
625
00:34:52,387 --> 00:34:53,877
it was the start of those longer pieces.
626
00:34:53,988 --> 00:34:56,047
Neil had come up
with this concept
627
00:34:56,157 --> 00:34:59,524
and we had to put it all together
and make it work.
628
00:34:59,627 --> 00:35:03,063
It seemed like an evolution
of where they were going.
629
00:35:03,164 --> 00:35:04,927
I thought it had amazing potential.
630
00:35:05,033 --> 00:35:06,557
It's a dark record,
631
00:35:06,668 --> 00:35:09,603
but it was certainly a good record,
I thought.
632
00:35:09,704 --> 00:35:12,298
But that view wasn't shared by everybody.
633
00:35:12,407 --> 00:35:14,534
I know we played Caress Of Steel
once for Paul Stanley.
634
00:35:14,642 --> 00:35:18,078
We'd just got it,
we played it in our van for him one night
635
00:35:18,179 --> 00:35:21,842
and you could see that he just...
he didn't get it.
636
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:25,386
A lot of people didn't get it,
we were wondering if even we got it.
637
00:35:25,486 --> 00:35:28,353
I think we were pretty high
when we made a lot of that record.
638
00:35:28,456 --> 00:35:29,923
It sounds like it to me.
639
00:35:30,024 --> 00:35:31,685
# My eyes have just been opened #
640
00:35:31,793 --> 00:35:34,421
# And they're open very wide #
641
00:35:34,529 --> 00:35:38,192
# Images around me don't identify inside #
642
00:35:38,299 --> 00:35:42,360
# Just one blur I recognize
the one that soothes and feeds #
643
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:46,531
# My way of life is easy
and as simple are my needs #
644
00:35:49,377 --> 00:35:52,676
Caress Of Steel was not
well received by the record company.
645
00:35:52,780 --> 00:35:55,180
It was not well received by our agents.
646
00:35:55,283 --> 00:35:57,251
Everything took an awful downturn
647
00:35:57,352 --> 00:35:59,081
and it was off the crest of a wave too,
648
00:35:59,187 --> 00:36:01,849
because we were so in love
with what we'd done,
649
00:36:01,956 --> 00:36:03,685
we were so into it and so proud of it.
650
00:36:03,791 --> 00:36:08,160
When Caress Of Steel pretty much
met a deaf ear, the ensuing tour,
651
00:36:08,263 --> 00:36:11,926
we were opening acts on smaller tours
and playing backwater clubs
652
00:36:12,033 --> 00:36:14,797
and we called it, at the time,
"The Down The Tubes tour".
653
00:36:14,902 --> 00:36:18,030
You would find yourself in places
like Battle Creek, Michigan,
654
00:36:18,139 --> 00:36:19,629
playing to twenty people
655
00:36:19,741 --> 00:36:22,005
wondering why you were still continuing.
656
00:36:22,110 --> 00:36:24,169
Everybody thought that it was over.
657
00:36:24,279 --> 00:36:26,679
Audiences were becoming
smaller and smaller
658
00:36:26,781 --> 00:36:29,011
so we thought the end was near.
659
00:36:29,117 --> 00:36:32,348
At that time, Ted Nugent
was also not breaking,
660
00:36:32,453 --> 00:36:35,547
so the two of us
played a lot of small clubs together.
661
00:36:35,657 --> 00:36:38,455
It was a pretty depressing tour,
we were kinda lost,
662
00:36:38,559 --> 00:36:41,722
figured that we would probably
not survive to see another tour.
663
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:45,128
And the record company
was really not happy with us
664
00:36:45,233 --> 00:36:47,497
and our management
was trying to defend us.
665
00:36:47,602 --> 00:36:50,901
I remember going to Chicago
and meeting with Mercury Records
666
00:36:51,005 --> 00:36:53,701
to not give up on the band,
to not drop the band.
667
00:36:53,808 --> 00:36:55,776
I nodded to every request they had.
668
00:36:55,877 --> 00:36:58,038
They wanted singles, more commercial,
669
00:36:58,146 --> 00:37:00,512
"Yeah, I'm sure
that's what they're going to do."
670
00:37:00,615 --> 00:37:01,843
That was a terrible winter.
671
00:37:01,949 --> 00:37:04,383
I had no money,
I was sleeping on a friend's couch.
672
00:37:04,485 --> 00:37:06,419
Things couldn't have been bleaker really.
673
00:37:06,521 --> 00:37:08,318
At the record company, everybody was,
674
00:37:08,423 --> 00:37:10,721
"We have to be more commercial here
and think about some singles,"
675
00:37:10,825 --> 00:37:13,259
and just leaning on us at our weakest.
676
00:37:13,361 --> 00:37:16,489
We talked about how we would
rather go down fighting
677
00:37:16,597 --> 00:37:19,828
than try to make the kind of record
they wanted us to make.
678
00:37:19,934 --> 00:37:22,596
We made 2112,
figuring everyone would hate it
679
00:37:22,704 --> 00:37:25,195
but we were going to go out
in a blaze of glory.
680
00:37:25,306 --> 00:37:27,968
We all decided that we would rather
go back to our jobs,
681
00:37:28,076 --> 00:37:29,543
working on a farm
682
00:37:29,644 --> 00:37:32,340
or working as a plumber's mate
for my dad or whatever,
683
00:37:32,447 --> 00:37:34,415
than give in and just be something
684
00:37:34,515 --> 00:37:36,176
that everybody else wants us to be.
685
00:37:36,284 --> 00:37:39,913
We did summon that strength of character
to say, "No, we won't do that.
686
00:37:40,021 --> 00:37:43,047
"We're doing it our way
and if this is the last hurrah, fine."
687
00:37:43,157 --> 00:37:45,057
Back to the farm equipment
dealership for me.
688
00:37:45,159 --> 00:37:47,559
It was a big no -
"No, we're not doing any of that.
689
00:37:47,662 --> 00:37:50,358
"No, you can't tell us what to do
and no, we don't care."
690
00:38:03,644 --> 00:38:09,480
# Whoa, oh, oh, oh #
691
00:38:10,885 --> 00:38:14,446
# Whoa, yeah, yeah, yeah #
692
00:38:14,555 --> 00:38:16,147
# Yeah, yeah #
693
00:38:24,098 --> 00:38:29,695
When the record company heard
a full side concept like the first side of 2112,
694
00:38:29,804 --> 00:38:33,831
people panicked. They thought,
"Wow, we're screwed."
695
00:38:33,941 --> 00:38:34,965
They didn't get it.
696
00:38:35,076 --> 00:38:36,566
This was, like, I ordered salmon
697
00:38:36,677 --> 00:38:39,202
and they brought me a steak -
what the hell is this?
698
00:38:39,313 --> 00:38:41,474
The nature of the story
that evolved in 2112
699
00:38:41,582 --> 00:38:43,447
was the individual against the mass,
700
00:38:43,551 --> 00:38:46,213
and that album did communicate
and reach people
701
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:50,154
on a level that just blossomed outward
by the classic form of word of mouth.
702
00:38:50,258 --> 00:38:53,921
Obviously, the opening twenty-minute piece
did not get played on the radio.
703
00:38:54,529 --> 00:38:58,226
# I can't wait to share this new wonder #
704
00:38:59,233 --> 00:39:03,067
# Well, the people will all see its light #
705
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,470
# Let them all make their own music #
706
00:39:09,877 --> 00:39:14,280
# The priests praise my name on this night #
707
00:39:14,382 --> 00:39:16,782
Suddenly it was like,
you gotta to check this band out,
708
00:39:16,884 --> 00:39:18,977
and, you know, the first thing that struck you
709
00:39:19,086 --> 00:39:22,578
was the level of musicianship
was just insane.
710
00:39:22,690 --> 00:39:25,454
I remember vividly,
I was in my bedroom with my neighbor
711
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:27,187
and he'd brought over 2112.
712
00:39:27,295 --> 00:39:29,525
It was just something
I'd never heard before,
713
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:32,463
just the fact it was a three-piece ripping...
they were pulling off this stuff
714
00:39:32,567 --> 00:39:35,195
that sounded like
a huge prog rock production.
715
00:39:35,303 --> 00:39:37,669
It took me on a journey instantly
716
00:39:37,772 --> 00:39:41,401
and I looked at the album cover
and saw that there were only three of them
717
00:39:41,509 --> 00:39:43,773
and they were wearing
some funky clothes.
718
00:39:43,878 --> 00:39:49,248
But I thought, how can three guys
make such a sound?
719
00:39:49,350 --> 00:39:51,978
I remember the keyboard
sound...
720
00:39:52,086 --> 00:39:53,644
...and all of a sudden it kicked in
721
00:39:53,754 --> 00:39:56,348
and it was just like
a whole new experience to music,
722
00:39:56,457 --> 00:39:58,448
something I'd never heard before.
723
00:39:58,559 --> 00:39:59,753
The drumming was incredible,
724
00:39:59,861 --> 00:40:03,058
the bass playing was incredible
and that was it.
725
00:40:03,164 --> 00:40:05,189
I was hooked on Rush ever since then.
726
00:40:05,299 --> 00:40:08,427
There was a moment in my life,
and I willingly admit this,
727
00:40:08,536 --> 00:40:11,096
that I knew how to play the entire side.
728
00:40:11,205 --> 00:40:13,366
I knew how to play 2112 all the way down.
729
00:40:13,474 --> 00:40:15,271
I knew every note, every moment.
730
00:40:15,376 --> 00:40:18,903
And I think back now,
"How long did I have to fucking learn that?"
731
00:40:19,013 --> 00:40:22,449
I must have sat in the bedroom for a year
to learn that fucking song.
732
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:25,075
I was into the story.
You know, I read the back
733
00:40:25,186 --> 00:40:27,814
and it was dedicated
to The Fountainhead, the book,
734
00:40:27,922 --> 00:40:30,686
and I went right out and bought
The Fountainhead and read it.
735
00:40:30,791 --> 00:40:33,954
I mean, not too many bands
make a twelve-year-old go out
736
00:40:34,061 --> 00:40:36,086
and buy The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.
737
00:40:37,365 --> 00:40:41,426
Goddamn this rock band,
it's got me all fired up about literature.
738
00:40:43,404 --> 00:40:47,636
# Well, yes, we know, it's nothing new #
739
00:40:48,175 --> 00:40:50,871
# It's just a waste of time #
740
00:40:52,713 --> 00:40:57,514
# We have no need for ancient ways #
741
00:40:57,618 --> 00:41:00,985
# The world is doing fine #
742
00:41:02,423 --> 00:41:05,187
As it turned out, the concept record
went through the roof.
743
00:41:05,293 --> 00:41:06,282
They were right.
744
00:41:06,394 --> 00:41:09,727
2112 really bought us
our independence.
745
00:41:09,830 --> 00:41:11,730
The record company has never been in
746
00:41:11,832 --> 00:41:13,424
on a single session that we've ever done.
747
00:41:13,534 --> 00:41:14,762
In fact, when we're done,
748
00:41:14,869 --> 00:41:17,429
it's all packaged
and they accept it the way it is.
749
00:41:17,538 --> 00:41:18,630
They have no choice.
750
00:41:18,739 --> 00:41:21,708
That somehow was
the plateau of untouchable.
751
00:41:21,809 --> 00:41:23,800
Nobody thought they had the right anymore.
752
00:41:23,911 --> 00:41:27,438
So, yeah, 2112 was absolutely
the passepartout, you know,
753
00:41:27,548 --> 00:41:31,075
the skeleton key that opened that door
that we could close behind us.
754
00:41:31,185 --> 00:41:33,153
OK, from now on, we do what we want.
755
00:41:33,254 --> 00:41:37,247
Attention, all planets
of the Solar Federation.
756
00:41:37,358 --> 00:41:40,794
Attention, all planets
of the Solar Federation.
757
00:41:41,195 --> 00:41:44,358
Attention, all planets
of the Solar Federation.
758
00:41:44,465 --> 00:41:46,956
We have assumed control.
759
00:41:47,568 --> 00:41:49,593
We have assumed control.
760
00:41:50,071 --> 00:41:52,039
We have assumed control.
761
00:41:59,013 --> 00:42:04,212
Most critics ignored 2112
or treated Rush, I think, very, very negatively.
762
00:42:04,318 --> 00:42:06,445
I mean, what do critics hate generally?
763
00:42:06,554 --> 00:42:09,489
They hate heavy metal
and they hate progressive music.
764
00:42:09,590 --> 00:42:13,082
I would say probably
most of the reviews were bad.
765
00:42:13,194 --> 00:42:15,355
I don't know if it was discouraging
to read bad press.
766
00:42:15,463 --> 00:42:18,523
I mean, after a while it was like,
"Oh yeah, yeah, whatever."
767
00:42:18,633 --> 00:42:20,260
Usually it's, critics back then particularly,
768
00:42:20,368 --> 00:42:24,828
just trying to be cool,
so they would write all sorts of things.
769
00:42:24,939 --> 00:42:28,306
# What you own is your own kingdom #
770
00:42:28,409 --> 00:42:31,708
# What you do is your own glory #
771
00:42:31,812 --> 00:42:35,543
# What you love is your own power #
772
00:42:35,650 --> 00:42:39,108
# What you live is your own story #
773
00:42:39,220 --> 00:42:42,018
# In your head is the answer #
774
00:42:42,123 --> 00:42:44,717
# Let it guide you along #
775
00:42:45,526 --> 00:42:48,825
# Let your heart be the anchor #
776
00:42:48,929 --> 00:42:52,296
# And the beat of your song #
777
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,858
Geddy's soaring voice was described
in some rather unkind ways.
778
00:42:55,970 --> 00:42:57,232
"A hamster in overdrive."
779
00:42:57,338 --> 00:42:58,828
"The dead howling in Hades."
780
00:42:58,939 --> 00:43:00,338
"Mickey Mouse on helium."
781
00:43:00,441 --> 00:43:01,465
"Strangling a hamster."
782
00:43:01,575 --> 00:43:04,237
"A cat being chased out the door
with a blowtorch up its ass."
783
00:43:04,345 --> 00:43:06,813
It was just constant insults hurled that way.
784
00:43:06,914 --> 00:43:09,109
But it was never like that with the audiences.
785
00:43:09,216 --> 00:43:11,275
We found that we had
a growing audience
786
00:43:11,385 --> 00:43:13,717
that didn't care about any of that press stuff.
787
00:43:13,821 --> 00:43:16,187
They were into the band
and liked what we were trying to do.
788
00:43:16,290 --> 00:43:18,622
We were a little more thoughtful
about the way we wrote music
789
00:43:18,726 --> 00:43:21,422
and certainly how we wrote lyrics
and how we put it all together.
790
00:43:21,529 --> 00:43:23,121
I'd rather read fan reviews
791
00:43:23,230 --> 00:43:27,428
than some guy who always hated us
and didn't stay for half the show.
792
00:43:27,535 --> 00:43:30,265
Critically, we were designated
terminally unhip
793
00:43:30,371 --> 00:43:33,238
and that prevents you
from getting mainstream press.
794
00:43:33,340 --> 00:43:35,808
Our songs were too long
to go on mainstream radio,
795
00:43:35,910 --> 00:43:37,207
so what the hell are we?
796
00:43:37,311 --> 00:43:40,838
Every once in a while
you have an artist that is very sophisticated
797
00:43:40,948 --> 00:43:42,643
but somehow in their sophistication
798
00:43:42,750 --> 00:43:44,718
they don't alienate the common person.
799
00:43:44,819 --> 00:43:46,343
They're really a people's band
800
00:43:46,454 --> 00:43:48,547
and the great hole in their career
801
00:43:48,656 --> 00:43:51,250
has been that they've never been
truly accepted by the intelligentsia.
802
00:43:51,358 --> 00:43:53,155
But with a band like Rush you can't say,
803
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:54,727
"Well, they can't play, they can't sing."
804
00:43:54,829 --> 00:43:59,129
So what was it? Well, they're nerdy
or they don't fit in a neat box.
805
00:43:59,233 --> 00:44:01,861
The one constant with Rush
throughout the decades
806
00:44:01,969 --> 00:44:05,427
is that it's been difficult
to fit them into any kind of definition.
807
00:44:05,539 --> 00:44:08,633
Their music was hard rock
but at the same time it was orchestral.
808
00:44:08,743 --> 00:44:11,837
The melodies were simple
but at the same time complex.
809
00:44:11,946 --> 00:44:14,608
Nobody could ever put their finger
on exactly what they were.
810
00:44:14,715 --> 00:44:16,842
I think the fashion
that was associated with it
811
00:44:16,951 --> 00:44:18,145
defied definition as well.
812
00:44:18,252 --> 00:44:22,518
We were never very good
at the whole fashion image thing.
813
00:44:22,623 --> 00:44:24,648
Let's face it.
We didn't have a clue.
814
00:44:24,759 --> 00:44:27,557
We desperately just wanted
to wear jeans and T-shirts
815
00:44:27,661 --> 00:44:30,596
but we were raised in a period
that said that's not OK.
816
00:44:30,698 --> 00:44:34,156
So we looked for some way
of standing out in a crowd.
817
00:44:34,268 --> 00:44:35,929
I remember we were in San Francisco
818
00:44:36,036 --> 00:44:39,130
and we were staying
in the Japanese part of town,
819
00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:41,834
so we found
all these kind of kimonos and robes
820
00:44:41,942 --> 00:44:44,001
and we said, "Hey, why don't we try these?"
821
00:44:44,111 --> 00:44:47,842
So that began the period
of the absurdly prophetic robes.
822
00:44:50,651 --> 00:44:54,348
# And the men who hold high places #
823
00:44:54,455 --> 00:44:56,980
# Must be the ones who start #
824
00:44:57,992 --> 00:45:01,325
# To mould a new reality #
825
00:45:01,428 --> 00:45:03,726
# Closer to the heart #
826
00:45:04,865 --> 00:45:07,299
# Closer to the heart #
827
00:45:08,502 --> 00:45:11,562
# The blacksmith and the artist #
828
00:45:11,672 --> 00:45:14,505
# Reflect it in their art #
829
00:45:15,075 --> 00:45:18,442
# They forge their creativity #
830
00:45:18,546 --> 00:45:21,037
# Closer to the heart #
831
00:45:21,148 --> 00:45:24,140
# Yeah, it's closer to the heart #
832
00:45:31,225 --> 00:45:32,749
These were the salad days
833
00:45:32,860 --> 00:45:36,023
because we were transitioning
and we could feel it.
834
00:45:36,130 --> 00:45:38,121
The world was expanding for us.
835
00:45:38,232 --> 00:45:41,963
We were starting to record in England,
starting to get success in England
836
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:45,095
and to go over there
and to actually have a song in the charts
837
00:45:45,206 --> 00:45:48,141
and play Hammersmith Odeon
was really gratifying,
838
00:45:48,242 --> 00:45:50,608
because all of our heroes
were English rock musicians.
839
00:45:50,711 --> 00:45:53,305
So that gave us a tremendous
amount of confidence.
840
00:45:53,881 --> 00:45:57,510
# Whoa, oh, you can be the captain #
841
00:45:57,618 --> 00:46:00,314
# And I will draw the chart #
842
00:46:01,188 --> 00:46:04,521
# Sailing into destiny #
843
00:46:04,625 --> 00:46:06,889
# Closer to the heart #
844
00:46:07,795 --> 00:46:10,059
# Closer to the heart #
845
00:46:10,164 --> 00:46:13,861
# Well, closer to the heart #
846
00:46:13,968 --> 00:46:17,062
# Yeah, closer to the heart #
847
00:46:17,171 --> 00:46:20,698
As the records progressed,
the palette got bigger and bigger.
848
00:46:20,808 --> 00:46:24,005
Neil was constantly changing
and adding to his drum kit
849
00:46:24,111 --> 00:46:27,274
and we had more choice of guitars
and acoustic guitars.
850
00:46:27,381 --> 00:46:31,044
Bass pedals. The keyboards developed
every time we went into the studio.
851
00:46:31,151 --> 00:46:32,675
Gedd was staying on top of that.
852
00:46:32,786 --> 00:46:35,653
The first time I worked with the band
it was a three piece.
853
00:46:35,756 --> 00:46:38,384
I think we may have had a cowbell.
854
00:46:42,363 --> 00:46:45,799
# Held within the pleasure dome #
855
00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:48,664
# Decreed by Kubla Khan #
856
00:46:49,937 --> 00:46:53,031
# To taste my bitter triumph #
857
00:46:53,140 --> 00:46:57,099
# As a mad immortal man #
858
00:46:57,811 --> 00:47:01,247
# Nevermore shall I return #
859
00:47:01,348 --> 00:47:04,181
# Escape these caves of ice #
860
00:47:05,085 --> 00:47:08,987
# For I have dined on honeydew #
861
00:47:09,089 --> 00:47:14,891
# And drunk the milk of paradise #
862
00:47:15,296 --> 00:47:18,959
# Oh, is it paradise? #
863
00:47:22,903 --> 00:47:25,963
You know, what really helped us
get out of that robe period
864
00:47:26,073 --> 00:47:28,007
was touring with UFO.
865
00:47:28,108 --> 00:47:30,508
They made fun of us relentlessly
866
00:47:30,611 --> 00:47:33,910
and they would hold up signs
and make fun of our lyrics
867
00:47:34,014 --> 00:47:35,879
and I would go up to my microphone
868
00:47:35,983 --> 00:47:38,543
and there'd be a pair of furry slippers
869
00:47:38,652 --> 00:47:40,882
nailed to the stage beside my mic.
870
00:47:40,988 --> 00:47:44,048
They used to call me Glee, and the guys
would be at the side telling me...
871
00:47:44,158 --> 00:47:47,184
"It goes perfect
with your robe, Glee."
872
00:47:47,294 --> 00:47:49,228
It was good for us because, you know,
873
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:52,857
you go on stage thinking that maybe
there has to be some other thing
874
00:47:52,967 --> 00:47:56,061
but in the end it is always
back to the music for us.
875
00:48:02,509 --> 00:48:05,706
# The trouble with the maples #
876
00:48:05,813 --> 00:48:09,044
# And they're quite convinced they're right #
877
00:48:09,149 --> 00:48:12,585
# They say the oaks are just too lofty #
878
00:48:12,686 --> 00:48:15,780
# And they grab up all the light #
879
00:48:16,557 --> 00:48:19,754
# But the oaks can't help their feelings #
880
00:48:19,860 --> 00:48:23,261
# If they like the way they're made #
881
00:48:23,364 --> 00:48:26,925
# And they wonder why the maples #
882
00:48:27,034 --> 00:48:30,470
# Can't be happy in their shade #
883
00:48:31,872 --> 00:48:33,772
Hemispheres was the album
884
00:48:33,874 --> 00:48:38,038
that broke the camel's back
in terms of long songs.
885
00:48:38,145 --> 00:48:42,081
The Hemispheres side of that album
was incredibly complex,
886
00:48:42,182 --> 00:48:44,616
both thematically and structurally.
887
00:48:44,718 --> 00:48:47,278
# When our weary world was young #
888
00:48:47,388 --> 00:48:51,688
# The struggle of the ancients first began #
889
00:48:51,792 --> 00:48:54,260
# The gods of love and reason #
890
00:48:54,995 --> 00:48:59,932
# Sought alone to rule the fate of man #
891
00:49:00,034 --> 00:49:02,264
We went to
a little farmhouse in Wales
892
00:49:02,369 --> 00:49:05,361
and wrote all that music, arranged it,
learned how to play it.
893
00:49:05,472 --> 00:49:07,770
It was so ambitious and so demanding,
894
00:49:07,875 --> 00:49:09,706
so experimental, all of that.
895
00:49:09,810 --> 00:49:13,246
It was quite manic and our hours
became later and later and later,
896
00:49:13,347 --> 00:49:16,111
and it just went around
so that we were going to bed at noon,
897
00:49:16,216 --> 00:49:18,081
we were getting up at seven o'clock
and having breakfast then
898
00:49:18,185 --> 00:49:20,779
and then working through the night
until the morning,
899
00:49:20,888 --> 00:49:22,788
unending, with no time off.
900
00:49:22,890 --> 00:49:27,327
Even the shorter songs on that record,
like La Villa Strangiato, were really hard,
901
00:49:27,428 --> 00:49:29,862
and, of course,
we were bound and determined
902
00:49:29,963 --> 00:49:32,625
to record La Villa Strangiato
live in one take.
903
00:49:32,733 --> 00:49:33,995
It was so complicated
904
00:49:34,101 --> 00:49:37,559
and went through so many different mood
and time signature changes,
905
00:49:37,671 --> 00:49:39,730
it would have needed to be charted out
906
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:42,274
in order to keep track of where you were
at any given point.
907
00:49:42,376 --> 00:49:46,836
I think we spent eleven days
trying to record the bed track only
908
00:49:46,947 --> 00:49:51,441
and we finally had to admit defeat.
We had to do it in three parts.
909
00:50:09,870 --> 00:50:14,466
That one, kind of slow,
open solo that Alex plays,
910
00:50:14,575 --> 00:50:19,444
the way he built that up
had a huge impression on me
911
00:50:19,546 --> 00:50:22,447
because he was creating a mood
912
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:27,782
by playing very, very sparsely
and just slowly amping up the intensity.
913
00:50:27,888 --> 00:50:30,152
I just thought that was the greatest thing
914
00:50:30,257 --> 00:50:33,818
in terms of lead guitar
dynamics and phrasing.
915
00:50:33,927 --> 00:50:38,591
I see them as the high priests
of conceptual metal.
916
00:50:38,699 --> 00:50:41,099
A big influence. Huge.
917
00:50:50,511 --> 00:50:52,911
Probably the hardest song
I ever learned how to play
918
00:50:53,013 --> 00:50:54,480
was La Villa Strangiato.
919
00:50:54,581 --> 00:50:57,243
The drumming is... It takes
everything you've got to get through it.
920
00:50:57,351 --> 00:51:00,411
That was the benchmark of drumming
when I was a kid.
921
00:51:00,521 --> 00:51:03,285
I could play YYZ
but can you play La Villa Strangiato?
922
00:51:22,943 --> 00:51:25,605
We'd written material
that was really a little beyond us,
923
00:51:25,712 --> 00:51:28,943
considering our level of musicianship
at the time.
924
00:51:29,049 --> 00:51:32,416
And that was the thing about Rush,
we were always overreaching.
925
00:51:32,519 --> 00:51:36,250
When you listen to early Rush,
it was like the riffs were simpler.
926
00:51:36,356 --> 00:51:38,756
It got more complex as they kept going.
927
00:51:38,859 --> 00:51:41,191
With the arrangements,
it would be so long,
928
00:51:41,295 --> 00:51:43,229
it would be like
the boys were up there going,
929
00:51:43,330 --> 00:51:47,198
"We did write this, didn't we?
What part of the song are we in?"
930
00:51:47,301 --> 00:51:48,529
If you could learn those songs,
931
00:51:48,635 --> 00:51:51,468
that was a stepping-stone to just
about everything you needed to know.
932
00:51:51,572 --> 00:51:54,166
If you could play those songs
with some proficiency,
933
00:51:54,274 --> 00:51:56,435
you could play pretty much anything else.
934
00:51:56,543 --> 00:51:58,238
Just eerily precise.
935
00:51:58,345 --> 00:52:00,472
Everything was just right on the nuggets.
936
00:52:00,581 --> 00:52:02,708
I bet, if you went in with a computer,
937
00:52:02,816 --> 00:52:07,981
Neil Peart would probably be right
on the beat to, like, an atom.
938
00:52:08,088 --> 00:52:10,488
At least that's how it sounds
when you're listening with the headphones,
939
00:52:10,591 --> 00:52:13,151
you're like, "He's not even human."
940
00:52:13,260 --> 00:52:15,319
Geddy Lee
is still my favorite bass player.
941
00:52:15,429 --> 00:52:18,796
It would be like, "Wow! That guy
who's shredding the bass is also singing
942
00:52:18,899 --> 00:52:21,060
"and playing the keyboards
with his feet and hands?"
943
00:52:21,168 --> 00:52:23,864
And he would move
his microphone a lot with his nose,
944
00:52:23,971 --> 00:52:25,905
he actually figured a way to use it.
945
00:52:26,006 --> 00:52:27,200
If it weren't for the nose,
946
00:52:27,307 --> 00:52:29,434
I don't think he could have done
the keyboards, bass and singing.
947
00:52:29,543 --> 00:52:32,103
I really don't. I think the nose
was what enabled him
948
00:52:32,212 --> 00:52:34,146
to get the microphone
where he needed it to be.
949
00:52:34,248 --> 00:52:37,081
He has a big nose.
Props to the nose!
950
00:53:04,611 --> 00:53:07,045
We knew at the time
we were overreaching ourselves
951
00:53:07,147 --> 00:53:09,980
and we agreed among ourselves in 1978
when we finished Hemispheres,
952
00:53:10,083 --> 00:53:13,450
we're not doing this again,
we're not making this kind of record again.
953
00:53:13,553 --> 00:53:16,317
We knew that was the end of that era,
of the epics.
954
00:53:16,423 --> 00:53:18,254
You've been touring now
for how many years?
955
00:53:18,358 --> 00:53:19,586
Well, professionally,
956
00:53:19,693 --> 00:53:22,662
in the United States and around the world,
about five years.
957
00:53:22,763 --> 00:53:25,891
About five years. How many concerts
do you average a year?
958
00:53:25,999 --> 00:53:29,025
About 200, maybe more.
959
00:53:29,136 --> 00:53:30,899
200 concerts a year for five years.
960
00:53:31,004 --> 00:53:32,471
How long can you keep that up?
961
00:53:32,572 --> 00:53:35,473
As long as we can.
As long as we're still standing.
962
00:53:35,575 --> 00:53:37,736
We were working all the time.
963
00:53:37,844 --> 00:53:41,575
I remember at one point
we counted 17 one-nighters in a row.
964
00:53:41,682 --> 00:53:43,980
We were getting fried and getting stupid.
965
00:53:44,084 --> 00:53:49,249
Not taking care of ourselves,
just burning out.
966
00:53:49,356 --> 00:53:52,257
We didn't like
what we were becoming as people.
967
00:53:52,359 --> 00:53:55,817
In my personal life
I was getting alienated from my wife,
968
00:53:55,929 --> 00:53:57,590
we were just starting to have kids
969
00:53:57,698 --> 00:54:00,394
and once you start
introducing children into your life,
970
00:54:00,500 --> 00:54:03,333
you can't be so selfish. You just can't.
971
00:54:03,437 --> 00:54:06,770
I think we all cherish the fact
that we're pretty normal guys.
972
00:54:06,873 --> 00:54:10,104
I got married when I was young.
I had a family early.
973
00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:13,577
I introduced Geddy's wife to him
when we were teenagers.
974
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:17,047
Family was the most important
thing to me in my life.
975
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:18,640
We were trying to remember
976
00:54:18,752 --> 00:54:22,518
music is just one of the things
we had chosen to do with our lives.
977
00:54:22,622 --> 00:54:23,748
Not everything.
978
00:54:23,857 --> 00:54:26,553
If we'd kept going like that,
we would have crashed.
979
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:28,252
Something started to break.
980
00:54:28,362 --> 00:54:30,728
I think the heaviness of Hemispheres
981
00:54:30,831 --> 00:54:33,766
made us want to run away
from that kind of album
982
00:54:33,867 --> 00:54:37,030
so we ran from Hemispheres
straight into Spirit Of Radio.
983
00:55:04,297 --> 00:55:07,528
# Begin the day with a friendly voice #
984
00:55:07,634 --> 00:55:10,728
# A companion unobtrusive #
985
00:55:11,405 --> 00:55:14,670
# Plays that song that's so elusive #
986
00:55:14,775 --> 00:55:18,336
# And the magic music
makes your morning mood #
987
00:55:25,886 --> 00:55:28,013
Permanent Waves was a joy to me.
988
00:55:28,121 --> 00:55:31,113
We were in Canada, you know,
our families were close,
989
00:55:31,224 --> 00:55:33,021
that's when we discovered Le Studio
990
00:55:33,126 --> 00:55:36,152
and the songs just came together.
Just boom, boom, boom.
991
00:55:36,263 --> 00:55:37,252
OK, the new album.
992
00:55:37,364 --> 00:55:39,798
There are a number of new things,
new approaches to the album.
993
00:55:39,900 --> 00:55:41,026
Tell me what's new about it.
994
00:55:41,134 --> 00:55:42,226
You tell him.
995
00:55:42,335 --> 00:55:45,361
Basically, its newness derives
from experiments
996
00:55:45,472 --> 00:55:47,702
we've conducted
over the last couple of albums.
997
00:55:47,808 --> 00:55:49,742
Through Hemispheres
and Farewell To Kings,
998
00:55:49,843 --> 00:55:52,311
we were experimenting
with a lot of new instruments and sounds
999
00:55:52,412 --> 00:55:54,880
and rhythmic approaches and so on.
This time we found ways
1000
00:55:54,981 --> 00:55:58,712
to put those directions into a single stream
and consequently, I think,
1001
00:55:58,819 --> 00:56:00,912
the album probably
has a more direct feel to it.
1002
00:56:01,021 --> 00:56:03,353
The whole music industry
is going primitive,
1003
00:56:03,457 --> 00:56:05,391
new wave, minimal, rock-'n'-roll.
Do you care?
1004
00:56:05,492 --> 00:56:08,359
There's gonna be some bands
that have gone back to basics,
1005
00:56:08,462 --> 00:56:11,363
but those bands can't do anything
but play basics.
1006
00:56:11,465 --> 00:56:13,433
But all the real interesting new-wave bands
1007
00:56:13,533 --> 00:56:15,194
seem to be developing and progressing
1008
00:56:15,302 --> 00:56:16,667
into more interesting styles.
1009
00:56:16,770 --> 00:56:19,000
- Who do you listen to at home?
- All kinds of people.
1010
00:56:19,105 --> 00:56:21,972
Recently been Talking Heads
on the turntable a lot.
1011
00:56:22,075 --> 00:56:23,099
The Police.
1012
00:56:23,210 --> 00:56:27,203
I was a huge fan of The Police,
Ultravox and all these new English bands.
1013
00:56:27,314 --> 00:56:29,714
I loved them. It became
a part of our sensibility.
1014
00:56:29,816 --> 00:56:31,875
Permanent Waves still had
a couple of longer songs on it
1015
00:56:31,985 --> 00:56:34,852
but The Spirit Of Radio
was the emblematic song of that period.
1016
00:56:34,955 --> 00:56:38,049
The mix of sounds in it, the approach
to electronic music and reggae,
1017
00:56:38,158 --> 00:56:39,819
that's all the stuff I was listening to.
1018
00:56:42,462 --> 00:56:46,762
# For the words of the prophets
were written on the studio wall #
1019
00:56:48,602 --> 00:56:50,297
# Concert hall #
1020
00:56:51,605 --> 00:56:53,402
They seemed to have that knack
1021
00:56:53,507 --> 00:56:56,635
of being able
to use time signatures at will
1022
00:56:56,743 --> 00:56:58,904
and yet make them feel seamless.
1023
00:56:59,012 --> 00:57:00,877
If you're changing time signatures
1024
00:57:00,981 --> 00:57:03,279
and your audience aren't really aware of it,
1025
00:57:03,383 --> 00:57:05,214
then you've got something special.
1026
00:57:05,318 --> 00:57:06,546
Rush find a real interesting way
1027
00:57:06,653 --> 00:57:08,553
of drawing a straight line through the song,
1028
00:57:08,655 --> 00:57:10,623
whether it's melodically or rhythmically.
1029
00:57:10,724 --> 00:57:14,490
And when you put together the sound
of the band being so recognized
1030
00:57:14,594 --> 00:57:18,360
and their ability to make sure
there's a lifeline for people out there
1031
00:57:18,465 --> 00:57:20,899
who can't quite tap their foot
to an odd time signature,
1032
00:57:21,001 --> 00:57:22,901
that makes what Rush does genius
1033
00:57:23,003 --> 00:57:25,767
when it comes to still being able
to be played on the radio.
1034
00:57:29,142 --> 00:57:32,407
# We are secrets to each other #
1035
00:57:33,380 --> 00:57:38,477
# Each one's life a novel
no one else has read #
1036
00:57:38,585 --> 00:57:41,645
# Even joined in bonds of love #
1037
00:57:42,589 --> 00:57:48,459
# We're linked to one another
by such slender threads #
1038
00:57:50,564 --> 00:57:53,158
I think Permanent Waves was, in a way,
1039
00:57:53,266 --> 00:57:55,166
the most important stepping stone
1040
00:57:55,268 --> 00:57:58,169
because, just like
Caress Of Steel is to 2112,
1041
00:57:58,271 --> 00:58:02,002
there would be no Moving Pictures
without Permanent Waves first.
1042
00:58:02,108 --> 00:58:03,837
As I define it, that's when we became us.
1043
00:58:03,944 --> 00:58:06,242
I think Rush was born
with Moving Pictures really.
1044
00:58:11,685 --> 00:58:14,483
# A modern-day warrior,
mean, mean stride #
1045
00:58:14,588 --> 00:58:17,318
# Today's Tom Sawyer,
mean, mean pride #
1046
00:58:19,125 --> 00:58:21,992
It represents so much
that we learned up to that time
1047
00:58:22,095 --> 00:58:24,120
about song writing, about arrangement.
1048
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:26,755
That's when we brought
our band identity together too,
1049
00:58:26,866 --> 00:58:30,597
how we like to play individually
and as a band at the same time.
1050
00:58:30,704 --> 00:58:32,365
Now when I look back on those songs,
1051
00:58:32,472 --> 00:58:35,600
I'm glad to say to people that
I will never get tired of playing Tom Sawyer
1052
00:58:35,709 --> 00:58:39,236
because it's difficult to play right,
and any time I do play it right, I feel good.
1053
00:58:51,091 --> 00:58:53,355
# No, his mind is not for rent #
1054
00:58:53,460 --> 00:58:55,428
# To any god or government #
1055
00:58:56,396 --> 00:58:58,990
# Always hopeful, yet discontent #
1056
00:58:59,099 --> 00:59:01,294
# He knows changes aren't permanent #
1057
00:59:02,435 --> 00:59:04,426
# But change is #
1058
00:59:05,005 --> 00:59:07,633
Suddenly we were on the radio
everywhere that summer.
1059
00:59:07,741 --> 00:59:09,106
Our concert audiences doubled.
1060
00:59:09,209 --> 00:59:12,269
You could picture it in the high-school halls,
"Are you gonna see Rush?"
1061
00:59:12,379 --> 00:59:15,974
"Oh, yeah, man. I'm going."
We were that band that year.
1062
00:59:16,082 --> 00:59:19,210
We were playing 120,
130 cities in America.
1063
00:59:19,319 --> 00:59:21,583
We were going back to places where,
1064
00:59:21,688 --> 00:59:24,020
if we were a theatre act
at the start of that tour,
1065
00:59:24,124 --> 00:59:25,182
by the end of that cycle
1066
00:59:25,291 --> 00:59:28,226
we'd gone back to those places
and we were in the arena.
1067
00:59:28,328 --> 00:59:31,957
Their latest release, Moving Pictures,
is number one on Toronto's album charts
1068
00:59:32,065 --> 00:59:34,659
and they're close to selling out
an unprecedented three nights
1069
00:59:34,768 --> 00:59:36,360
at the full Maple Leaf Gardens.
1070
00:59:36,469 --> 00:59:38,027
Here's a cut from Moving Pictures,
1071
00:59:38,138 --> 00:59:40,698
platinum after only four weeks of release.
1072
00:59:40,807 --> 00:59:44,004
# Suddenly ahead of me #
1073
00:59:44,110 --> 00:59:47,136
# Across the mountainside #
1074
00:59:47,247 --> 00:59:49,875
# A gleaming alloy air-car #
1075
00:59:49,983 --> 00:59:53,544
# Shoots towards me, two lanes wide #
1076
00:59:54,220 --> 00:59:57,849
# I spin around with shrieking tires #
1077
00:59:57,957 --> 00:59:59,686
# To run the deadly race #
1078
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,724
# Go screaming through the valley #
1079
01:00:03,830 --> 01:00:07,459
# As another joins the chase #
1080
01:00:28,221 --> 01:00:29,984
# Drive like the wind #
1081
01:00:30,090 --> 01:00:33,582
# Straining the limits of machine and man #
1082
01:00:34,994 --> 01:00:37,963
# Laughing out loud with fear and hope #
1083
01:00:38,064 --> 01:00:40,555
# I've got a desperate plan #
1084
01:00:41,401 --> 01:00:42,925
# At the one-lane bridge #
1085
01:00:43,036 --> 01:00:46,767
# I leave the giants stranded
at the riverside #
1086
01:00:47,974 --> 01:00:50,067
# Race back to the farm #
1087
01:00:50,176 --> 01:00:54,169
# To dream with my uncle at the fireside #
1088
01:01:17,270 --> 01:01:20,467
Moving Pictures was a mixed blessing
to me, in retrospect,
1089
01:01:20,573 --> 01:01:22,598
for me, personally in my life.
1090
01:01:22,709 --> 01:01:25,177
A lot of strange people
came out of the woodwork.
1091
01:01:25,278 --> 01:01:29,009
There was so much attention on us
at that time, that was transitory.
1092
01:01:29,115 --> 01:01:30,742
Generally, we were pretty private
1093
01:01:30,850 --> 01:01:33,580
and I think Moving Pictures
was the turning point
1094
01:01:33,686 --> 01:01:36,314
when there was a lot of pressure
from fans wanting a piece of you
1095
01:01:36,422 --> 01:01:39,186
or believing they were connected to you
in some other way.
1096
01:01:39,292 --> 01:01:42,227
There was a time
when we first started getting recognized
1097
01:01:42,328 --> 01:01:44,023
that I got a little touchy about it
1098
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:46,621
and I remember I started thinking
about this thing,
1099
01:01:46,733 --> 01:01:48,758
about fame and how you deal with it.
1100
01:01:48,868 --> 01:01:50,267
That was kind of an epiphany
1101
01:01:50,370 --> 01:01:52,964
and I said to myself,
"I'm gonna go where I want to go
1102
01:01:53,072 --> 01:01:56,337
"and if somebody comes up to me
and is nice and wants an autograph,
1103
01:01:56,442 --> 01:01:58,342
"I got time for them. It's no big deal."
1104
01:01:58,444 --> 01:01:59,877
Geddy, right?
1105
01:01:59,979 --> 01:02:01,378
That's right.
1106
01:02:01,481 --> 01:02:03,676
Oh my God, that's Geddy?
1107
01:02:03,783 --> 01:02:04,750
Yeah!
1108
01:02:04,851 --> 01:02:07,149
- Just making a video of them.
- No problem.
1109
01:02:09,022 --> 01:02:11,013
- One is to...
- Sorry.
1110
01:02:12,025 --> 01:02:15,051
- One is to Shawny.
- Didn't mean to get in your way. Sorry.
1111
01:02:15,161 --> 01:02:16,822
The first one is to Shawny.
1112
01:02:18,264 --> 01:02:20,095
And the next one's to Troy.
1113
01:02:22,869 --> 01:02:25,667
Thank you. That's it, I promise.
I'm so sorry...
1114
01:02:25,772 --> 01:02:28,605
You want his too?
He's the leader of the group.
1115
01:02:31,611 --> 01:02:34,171
I can walk around the city
and get recognized from time to time,
1116
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:36,578
Geddy more so. He's got
a very distinctive look about him.
1117
01:02:36,683 --> 01:02:39,618
But generally people are very polite,
they don't want too much from you.
1118
01:02:39,719 --> 01:02:42,552
I understand that these are your fans
that just love what you do.
1119
01:02:42,655 --> 01:02:44,384
There's been a moment in their lives
1120
01:02:44,490 --> 01:02:46,515
where your music
has been so important to them
1121
01:02:46,626 --> 01:02:48,992
that to take a couple of minutes
and just chat,
1122
01:02:49,095 --> 01:02:51,563
shake a hand or hug or something,
it's not a big deal.
1123
01:02:51,664 --> 01:02:53,097
I remember when I met them,
1124
01:02:53,199 --> 01:02:56,327
I was just struck
by Geddy Lee and Lifeson's friendship,
1125
01:02:56,436 --> 01:02:58,666
it seemed like they had
a real deep bond.
1126
01:02:58,771 --> 01:03:00,762
Real playful and sort of goofy,
1127
01:03:00,874 --> 01:03:03,900
it just seemed like there was
a lot of joy there, a lot of genuine fun.
1128
01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:08,709
And then I turned the corner
and then I saw the master, Neil Peart.
1129
01:03:08,815 --> 01:03:10,874
He had, sort of, a different vibe going,
1130
01:03:10,984 --> 01:03:13,885
just as focused
but a brewing intensity.
1131
01:03:13,987 --> 01:03:16,251
Little wisps of darkness.
1132
01:03:16,356 --> 01:03:20,793
Neil has a real struggle with fans
and it's not a personal thing.
1133
01:03:20,894 --> 01:03:22,225
It's a shyness thing.
1134
01:03:22,328 --> 01:03:26,594
He's not able to be as relaxed
around strangers as Alex or I am.
1135
01:03:26,699 --> 01:03:29,725
You know, he doesn't mean
to hurt anyone's feelings by it,
1136
01:03:29,836 --> 01:03:33,272
he's not trying to be rude,
he's just not comfortable.
1137
01:03:33,373 --> 01:03:35,568
OK, I was the world's
biggest Who fan as a kid.
1138
01:03:35,675 --> 01:03:39,008
I never dreamed of trying to find their hotel
and knocking on their doors
1139
01:03:39,112 --> 01:03:42,172
or interfering in their lives in any way,
that I don't understand.
1140
01:03:42,282 --> 01:03:43,749
I love being appreciated,
1141
01:03:43,850 --> 01:03:45,647
being respected is awfully good
1142
01:03:45,752 --> 01:03:48,812
but anything beyond that
just creeps me out, you know.
1143
01:03:48,922 --> 01:03:51,152
Any sense of adulation is just so wrong.
1144
01:03:51,257 --> 01:03:53,020
I got a chance to go meet Neil Peart
1145
01:03:53,126 --> 01:03:57,256
and I got brought into a room and I started
to tell him, "Hey, I'm the hugest fan ever,"
1146
01:03:57,363 --> 01:03:59,957
and I got, sort of,
"the Neil Peart cold shoulder"
1147
01:04:00,066 --> 01:04:02,000
and the security guard
removed me from the room.
1148
01:04:02,101 --> 01:04:03,796
It was a weird uncomfortable situation.
1149
01:04:03,903 --> 01:04:06,997
I love Neil Peart
even though he totally blacklisted me.
1150
01:04:07,106 --> 01:04:10,371
But I don't know, if I was Neil Peart
and I walked in the room,
1151
01:04:10,476 --> 01:04:12,603
I would probably want to remove me too.
1152
01:04:13,780 --> 01:04:16,840
Neil was great. A very intense man
but very... you know.
1153
01:04:16,950 --> 01:04:21,353
His line, "I can't pretend a stranger
is a long-awaited friend," that's Neil.
1154
01:04:21,454 --> 01:04:24,287
When people have a fantasy,
I don't want to trample on it,
1155
01:04:24,390 --> 01:04:25,857
but I also don't want to live it
1156
01:04:25,959 --> 01:04:29,554
and people can think that I'm antisocial
or a sourpuss, it's really not.
1157
01:04:29,662 --> 01:04:31,721
It doesn't make me mad,
it embarrasses me.
1158
01:04:31,831 --> 01:04:34,061
The other guys
are obviously comfortable with it
1159
01:04:34,167 --> 01:04:36,032
and they do the meets and greets
every night
1160
01:04:36,135 --> 01:04:37,466
and that's fine, they can do it.
1161
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:42,704
One, two, three...
1162
01:04:44,344 --> 01:04:45,641
One, two, three...
1163
01:04:46,012 --> 01:04:47,775
One, two, three...
1164
01:04:49,015 --> 01:04:51,142
Thank you. It's lovely meeting you.
1165
01:04:51,250 --> 01:04:53,343
I am so appreciative of our fans.
1166
01:04:53,453 --> 01:04:55,387
I bless their hearts every single day,
1167
01:04:55,488 --> 01:04:57,422
but they're hard to analyze as a group
1168
01:04:57,523 --> 01:04:59,252
because they're so different.
1169
01:04:59,359 --> 01:05:00,690
We have hard-core fans.
1170
01:05:00,793 --> 01:05:03,853
The old fans that have been there
from the beginning,
1171
01:05:03,963 --> 01:05:06,864
they're usually male
and they are really intense.
1172
01:05:14,674 --> 01:05:18,872
In the early stages it was very young,
almost 100% male.
1173
01:05:18,978 --> 01:05:20,570
And then, as the years went by,
1174
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,478
it remained 100% male.
1175
01:05:23,583 --> 01:05:26,711
Chicks did not really dig it, you know.
1176
01:05:26,819 --> 01:05:31,586
I still don't put on Caress Of Steel
that often with my wife around.
1177
01:05:32,792 --> 01:05:34,191
Whoo!
1178
01:05:37,363 --> 01:05:40,389
Tonight is my 113th Rush show.
1179
01:05:40,500 --> 01:05:44,027
The last time I missed a show anywhere
in Europe was on the Signals tour.
1180
01:05:44,137 --> 01:05:45,866
Tonight will be the seventh on this tour.
1181
01:05:45,972 --> 01:05:49,567
I've been to two in America, one in Canada,
did all six on the last UK tour.
1182
01:05:49,675 --> 01:05:51,734
My name's Pete,
I'm from Cleveland, Ohio.
1183
01:05:51,844 --> 01:05:54,404
I just had my 100th show in Stockholm.
1184
01:05:54,514 --> 01:05:57,483
# You can choose from phantom fears #
1185
01:05:57,583 --> 01:06:00,814
# And kindness that can kill #
1186
01:06:00,920 --> 01:06:04,014
# I will choose a path that's clear #
1187
01:06:04,123 --> 01:06:06,717
# I will choose free will #
1188
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:09,994
Rush fans are like
Nascar fans. They ain't going anywhere.
1189
01:06:10,096 --> 01:06:12,587
They're brand loyalty.
They are a cult band.
1190
01:06:12,698 --> 01:06:13,995
When you go to a Rush concert,
1191
01:06:14,100 --> 01:06:16,534
there ain't anybody leaving it
till the song is over.
1192
01:06:16,636 --> 01:06:19,104
They're waiting for their favorite part,
they're nudging their friend,
1193
01:06:19,205 --> 01:06:21,605
they're going, "Look, he played it perfect."
They're riveted to the band.
1194
01:06:21,707 --> 01:06:25,074
The band have
that relationship with their audience,
1195
01:06:25,178 --> 01:06:29,410
where their audience really feel like
the Rush lyrics communicate to them,
1196
01:06:29,515 --> 01:06:32,746
make them feel
like their experience is heard.
1197
01:06:32,852 --> 01:06:36,310
I have this memory of sitting
in the basement with my mother.
1198
01:06:36,422 --> 01:06:40,882
I actually said to her,
"I wanna play you a song."
1199
01:06:40,993 --> 01:06:43,518
And it was very hard to ever
get my parents' attention or anything
1200
01:06:43,629 --> 01:06:44,857
so it was, like, a big deal.
1201
01:06:44,964 --> 01:06:47,660
"Will you please sit here
and I wanna play you a song."
1202
01:06:47,767 --> 01:06:49,325
And I played Entre Nous
1203
01:06:49,435 --> 01:06:53,929
and I gave her the lyric sheet
because I wanted her to understand
1204
01:06:54,040 --> 01:06:57,806
that this song was connecting
with me on some level.
1205
01:06:57,910 --> 01:07:00,242
When I was sixteen years old,
I wasn't as emotionally open.
1206
01:07:00,346 --> 01:07:02,007
I was very withdrawn,
1207
01:07:02,115 --> 01:07:04,515
so something about that song
allowed me to say,
1208
01:07:04,617 --> 01:07:07,279
"Somehow this song is almost
like it's written for me."
1209
01:07:07,386 --> 01:07:09,320
Music, when you're growing up,
is such a strong part of like...
1210
01:07:09,422 --> 01:07:11,390
"What do you like? What's your identity?"
1211
01:07:11,491 --> 01:07:13,652
Rush seemed to be
just a complete added dimension
1212
01:07:13,759 --> 01:07:16,887
of not being obsessed with girls
and hair and shit like that.
1213
01:07:16,996 --> 01:07:20,523
They seemed to be kind of smart
and, fancying myself as a really smart kid,
1214
01:07:20,633 --> 01:07:21,895
I was like, "Oh, that's my deal."
1215
01:07:22,001 --> 01:07:26,734
# Not so clearly charted,
it's really just a question of your honesty #
1216
01:07:27,874 --> 01:07:29,739
# Yeah, your honesty #
1217
01:07:30,776 --> 01:07:34,542
# Glittering prizes
and endless compromises #
1218
01:07:34,647 --> 01:07:38,139
# Shatter the illusion of integrity, yeah #
1219
01:07:38,251 --> 01:07:40,151
Dum, tss, mm!
1220
01:07:40,253 --> 01:07:42,653
I mean, when you're hearing lyrics like that
1221
01:07:42,755 --> 01:07:46,953
that are so earnest and sincere,
talking about honesty in art
1222
01:07:47,059 --> 01:07:50,222
and asking some
of the tougher intellectual questions,
1223
01:07:50,329 --> 01:07:52,263
with that great music behind it,
1224
01:07:52,365 --> 01:07:57,268
they really offered something in rock
that was in short supply.
1225
01:07:57,370 --> 01:08:00,965
And plus they sang in French
on Circumstances.
1226
01:08:01,073 --> 01:08:04,839
"Plus c'est la m�me,
plus c'est la m�me chose."
1227
01:08:04,944 --> 01:08:07,504
That was pretty tricky, you didn't hear that
on any Kiss records.
1228
01:08:07,613 --> 01:08:09,604
It's like, the dude is singing in French now.
1229
01:08:09,715 --> 01:08:11,706
I can't even figure out his English!
1230
01:08:11,817 --> 01:08:15,218
It wasn't for everybody,
and it wasn't necessarily cool.
1231
01:08:15,321 --> 01:08:20,258
You were kind of like a Rush geek,
a music nerd, a kind of nerd,
1232
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,452
and it was sort of nerdy music I suppose.
1233
01:08:26,065 --> 01:08:29,466
# Growing up, it all seems so one-sided #
1234
01:08:29,569 --> 01:08:32,436
# Opinions all provided #
1235
01:08:32,538 --> 01:08:35,598
# The future predecided #
1236
01:08:35,708 --> 01:08:38,370
# Detached and subdivided #
1237
01:08:38,477 --> 01:08:41,469
# In the mass-production zone #
1238
01:08:42,615 --> 01:08:48,554
# Nowhere is the dreamer
or the misfit so alone #
1239
01:08:49,255 --> 01:08:52,622
You listen to Subdivisions
and it just seemed like, exactly my life.
1240
01:08:52,725 --> 01:08:55,694
You know, I was that kid
who was watching the car
1241
01:08:55,795 --> 01:08:57,626
drive away with all the cool kids
1242
01:08:57,730 --> 01:08:59,925
going off to a party that I wasn't invited to.
1243
01:09:00,032 --> 01:09:02,967
It was just nice to feel like
there was a rock song out there
1244
01:09:03,069 --> 01:09:05,799
that spoke to my experience
of trying to be cool
1245
01:09:05,905 --> 01:09:09,898
and worrying about being cast out
of a group of friends if you weren't cool.
1246
01:09:10,009 --> 01:09:10,976
I wasn't very cool,
1247
01:09:11,077 --> 01:09:14,171
but luckily I had a group of friends
that was equally not cool.
1248
01:09:14,280 --> 01:09:17,613
I lived in a housing development,
suburbia backyard barbecues,
1249
01:09:17,717 --> 01:09:21,175
a lot of the stuff that, I think,
most American kids can relate to.
1250
01:09:21,287 --> 01:09:22,777
I remember watching the video,
1251
01:09:22,888 --> 01:09:25,288
and I'm like, "Damn, that represents me,
right there."
1252
01:09:25,391 --> 01:09:28,417
This one person walking around,
not really being in a group,
1253
01:09:28,527 --> 01:09:32,224
it seemed like it was this person
that nobody really could relate to.
1254
01:09:32,698 --> 01:09:36,293
- # Subdivisions #
- # In the high-school halls #
1255
01:09:36,402 --> 01:09:38,597
# In the shopping malls #
1256
01:09:38,704 --> 01:09:41,832
- # Conform or be cast out #
- # Subdivisions #
1257
01:09:41,941 --> 01:09:43,203
The thing I loved about Neil
1258
01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:46,244
was he took very complex,
metaphysical themes
1259
01:09:46,345 --> 01:09:49,314
and he was able to put them in a way
that everybody could understand.
1260
01:09:49,415 --> 01:09:51,349
And whether
he was ripping off Shakespeare
1261
01:09:51,450 --> 01:09:54,112
or he was quoting his own heart,
1262
01:09:54,220 --> 01:09:56,950
he was able to do it in a way
that never felt snobby.
1263
01:09:57,056 --> 01:09:59,854
It always felt like
he was in the room talking to you.
1264
01:09:59,959 --> 01:10:02,393
Words can carry different freight
for different people, of course.
1265
01:10:02,495 --> 01:10:04,463
But those who do have the sensitivity
1266
01:10:04,563 --> 01:10:07,964
to pay the kind of attention to lyrics
that I put into them,
1267
01:10:08,067 --> 01:10:09,659
it's wonderful to connect that way,
1268
01:10:09,769 --> 01:10:12,033
to feel that you're not
playing down to anyone.
1269
01:10:12,138 --> 01:10:15,596
We always had the impression
that people are just as smart as we are,
1270
01:10:15,708 --> 01:10:18,040
so if we can figure this stuff out,
they can too.
1271
01:10:18,144 --> 01:10:21,307
And we're not being that terrible,
damning word, pretentious.
1272
01:10:21,414 --> 01:10:22,972
We're not pretending anything.
1273
01:10:23,082 --> 01:10:25,016
This is really what turned us on this year.
1274
01:10:25,117 --> 01:10:29,486
Lyrically, it's always been a reflection
of my times and the times I observe.
1275
01:10:29,588 --> 01:10:31,317
But everyone is a reflection of me.
1276
01:10:43,202 --> 01:10:46,763
We could have gone in
and done Moving Pictures all over again
1277
01:10:46,872 --> 01:10:51,866
but we're too curious,
we're too dissatisfied with where we're at
1278
01:10:51,977 --> 01:10:54,912
and just because we got successful
doesn't mean we're going to stop.
1279
01:10:55,014 --> 01:10:58,506
And that's the motivation.
We have to find the better Rush.
1280
01:10:58,617 --> 01:11:00,983
There was a big shift
happening on Signals,
1281
01:11:01,087 --> 01:11:03,920
the keyboards were becoming
more and more important,
1282
01:11:04,023 --> 01:11:05,786
from Geddy's standpoint that is.
1283
01:11:05,891 --> 01:11:08,655
And also, one of the biggest things
at that point for me
1284
01:11:08,761 --> 01:11:10,558
was Neil getting into the electronic drum kit.
1285
01:11:10,663 --> 01:11:11,994
It didn't really appeal to me.
1286
01:11:12,098 --> 01:11:16,728
I wanted to still have that element
of the basic acoustic band.
1287
01:11:16,836 --> 01:11:19,669
We'd been working with Terry
for ten years at that point
1288
01:11:19,772 --> 01:11:21,535
and we really felt the need to expand
1289
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:24,006
and see what it was like
to work with other people
1290
01:11:24,110 --> 01:11:27,045
and it was a very tough transition
because we were so close.
1291
01:11:27,146 --> 01:11:29,137
Terry was like
the fourth member of the band.
1292
01:11:29,248 --> 01:11:32,183
It was Neil who broke the news to me
on the bus and he said,
1293
01:11:32,284 --> 01:11:34,912
"Just think of it
like a boyfriend and girlfriend,
1294
01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:38,387
"they want to split up for a while,
have a break from each other."
1295
01:11:38,491 --> 01:11:39,719
I was surprised
1296
01:11:39,825 --> 01:11:43,420
because I figured we would figure it out
and we'd move to the next level.
1297
01:11:43,529 --> 01:11:45,588
But it was time for a change
1298
01:11:45,698 --> 01:11:48,826
and I didn't really want
to do an electronic band,
1299
01:11:48,934 --> 01:11:51,164
which is where I thought it was going.
1300
01:12:03,482 --> 01:12:06,246
# An ill wind comes arising #
1301
01:12:06,352 --> 01:12:08,547
# Across the cities of the plain #
1302
01:12:09,688 --> 01:12:12,213
# There's no swimming in the heavy water #
1303
01:12:12,324 --> 01:12:15,225
# No singing in the acid rain #
1304
01:12:15,327 --> 01:12:17,090
# Red alert, red alert #
1305
01:12:17,196 --> 01:12:18,857
# Red alert #
1306
01:12:18,964 --> 01:12:21,933
To be honest with you,
I'd never really heard of Rush in England.
1307
01:12:22,034 --> 01:12:23,524
I was a pop producer,
1308
01:12:23,636 --> 01:12:24,728
so I was kind of bemused
1309
01:12:24,837 --> 01:12:27,067
when I got the call
to come and produce them.
1310
01:12:27,173 --> 01:12:30,006
I was coming from that whole
British '80s music scene.
1311
01:12:30,109 --> 01:12:31,906
I was trying to bring them into line
1312
01:12:32,011 --> 01:12:35,310
with what I perceived to be
the contemporary, modern pop music,
1313
01:12:35,414 --> 01:12:37,814
the new technology,
the new keyboard sounds.
1314
01:12:37,917 --> 01:12:39,509
We all loved the music of that time.
1315
01:12:39,618 --> 01:12:40,710
We were young enough too,
1316
01:12:40,820 --> 01:12:43,482
and we didn't have any protective nature
of what Rush was
1317
01:12:43,589 --> 01:12:46,854
that they could never be allowed
to be influenced by new-wave music
1318
01:12:46,959 --> 01:12:48,392
or could never use an African rhythm.
1319
01:12:48,494 --> 01:12:50,792
There was no such thing
as "That doesn't suit Rush."
1320
01:12:50,896 --> 01:12:52,625
Those words have never been uttered.
1321
01:12:58,571 --> 01:13:00,937
# Ragged lines of ragged gray #
1322
01:13:02,675 --> 01:13:06,509
# Skeletons, they shuffle away #
1323
01:13:06,612 --> 01:13:09,479
# Shouting guards and smoking guns #
1324
01:13:10,015 --> 01:13:12,643
# Will cut down the unlucky ones #
1325
01:13:14,987 --> 01:13:20,118
Synthesizers and technology
became a way of sparking your creativity.
1326
01:13:20,226 --> 01:13:22,990
I liked it because my need to write melodies
1327
01:13:23,095 --> 01:13:25,461
is more satisfied writing on a keyboard.
1328
01:13:25,564 --> 01:13:27,862
As a songwriter,
you're always looking for an angle
1329
01:13:27,967 --> 01:13:29,195
to give you something fresh.
1330
01:13:29,301 --> 01:13:31,064
Coming from a trained
keyboard background,
1331
01:13:31,170 --> 01:13:34,731
you always felt kinda left out
in the rock world
1332
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,365
because keyboards really weren't that cool.
1333
01:13:37,476 --> 01:13:38,807
Rush was one of those bands
1334
01:13:38,911 --> 01:13:41,209
that the way they started integrating synths
1335
01:13:41,313 --> 01:13:42,803
seemed wildly exciting to me.
1336
01:13:42,915 --> 01:13:46,681
Wow, this can actually fill the role
of what a guitar player would have done,
1337
01:13:46,785 --> 01:13:49,151
eats up the mid-range
rhythm-section space.
1338
01:13:49,255 --> 01:13:51,018
I'd be hard pressed to think of another...
1339
01:13:51,123 --> 01:13:52,715
someone else who's done it like that.
1340
01:13:52,825 --> 01:13:57,285
Once the keyboards and the shorter songs
became more of their sound,
1341
01:13:57,396 --> 01:14:00,194
that's when I kind of
moved on to other things.
1342
01:14:00,299 --> 01:14:02,733
I didn't like it
and I still really don't like it that much.
1343
01:14:02,835 --> 01:14:05,531
And Geddy would spend
a lot of time on the keyboard
1344
01:14:05,638 --> 01:14:07,367
and, as a bass player, I love the bass,
1345
01:14:07,473 --> 01:14:10,567
and so when my favorite
bass player's playing the keyboards,
1346
01:14:10,676 --> 01:14:12,405
I'm not that psyched about it.
1347
01:14:12,511 --> 01:14:15,378
I loved the idea of the keyboards
when we first started.
1348
01:14:15,481 --> 01:14:18,279
I think as that part of our sound developed,
1349
01:14:18,384 --> 01:14:23,913
there were times where
we just got on the wrong track.
1350
01:14:24,023 --> 01:14:26,719
Alex and I had
some real disagreements
1351
01:14:26,825 --> 01:14:29,953
about how profound
the keyboard should be.
1352
01:14:30,062 --> 01:14:32,963
But Power Windows
is a really important record
1353
01:14:33,065 --> 01:14:36,933
because it was
the final and essential blending
1354
01:14:37,036 --> 01:14:39,971
of keyboards and guitar to me, for Rush.
1355
01:14:40,072 --> 01:14:43,132
With Power Windows,
I found it really, really difficult
1356
01:14:43,242 --> 01:14:46,177
to work around the way
the keyboards were developing.
1357
01:14:46,278 --> 01:14:49,008
Why am I looking for a different place?
1358
01:14:49,114 --> 01:14:50,775
I shouldn't be looking for a different place.
1359
01:14:50,883 --> 01:14:53,443
What's going on with these keyboards?
1360
01:14:53,552 --> 01:14:56,749
You know, they're not even real.
It's not even a real instrument.
1361
01:14:56,855 --> 01:14:59,881
# The more we think we know about #
1362
01:15:00,626 --> 01:15:03,493
# The greater the unknown #
1363
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:07,863
# We suspend our disbelief #
1364
01:15:08,667 --> 01:15:11,761
# And we are not alone #
1365
01:15:11,870 --> 01:15:14,668
# Mystic rhythms #
1366
01:15:16,842 --> 01:15:18,639
# Capture my thoughts #
1367
01:15:18,744 --> 01:15:21,907
# And carry them away #
1368
01:15:22,781 --> 01:15:26,979
I love the synthesizers and I think
it's as important as any of their other work.
1369
01:15:27,086 --> 01:15:28,815
The ultimate thing
that people were saying
1370
01:15:28,921 --> 01:15:31,412
was they kind of moved
somewhat away from the rock
1371
01:15:31,523 --> 01:15:34,356
and they got a little bit more
in the middle of what they did.
1372
01:15:34,460 --> 01:15:38,021
To me, Rush middle of the road
is still somebody else's left field.
1373
01:15:38,130 --> 01:15:41,691
Certain periods of Rush
are more universal than other periods.
1374
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:45,327
Now, you could say on the one hand
that maybe they're better records.
1375
01:15:45,437 --> 01:15:47,166
Maybe that's the best Rush.
1376
01:15:47,272 --> 01:15:51,766
Moving Pictures got us
into a much broader world of rock fans
1377
01:15:51,877 --> 01:15:55,040
and when there was a shift,
we lost some of those people.
1378
01:15:55,147 --> 01:15:59,049
But we realized after time
that there was a core of our fan base
1379
01:15:59,151 --> 01:16:03,645
that was as curious
as to where we were going as we were.
1380
01:16:03,756 --> 01:16:07,089
Those are the ones that have
sustained us through all these years.
1381
01:16:07,192 --> 01:16:08,124
I can't fault them
1382
01:16:08,227 --> 01:16:13,062
for not wanting to be a prog rock band
for another 15 years.
1383
01:16:13,165 --> 01:16:15,759
They had different periods,
that's what makes them interesting.
1384
01:16:22,675 --> 01:16:25,940
# Time stand still #
1385
01:16:26,045 --> 01:16:29,708
# I'm not looking back
but I want to look around me now #
1386
01:16:29,815 --> 01:16:32,215
# Time stand still #
1387
01:16:33,018 --> 01:16:37,785
# See more of the people
and the places that surround me now #
1388
01:16:38,891 --> 01:16:40,882
# Time stand still #
1389
01:16:42,795 --> 01:16:45,263
Hold your Fire
was the record that told me
1390
01:16:45,364 --> 01:16:47,958
that there was a shift
in the way we were writing,
1391
01:16:48,067 --> 01:16:50,035
pushing us away from rock.
1392
01:16:50,135 --> 01:16:54,970
It was starting to move into a jazzier,
softer kind of tonal area.
1393
01:16:55,074 --> 01:16:59,704
Things can go too far in any one direction
and we correct ourselves and eventually go,
1394
01:16:59,812 --> 01:17:02,110
"We tried to go along this way
but it's too much."
1395
01:17:02,214 --> 01:17:04,205
That was the first thing I said
on the first meeting.
1396
01:17:04,316 --> 01:17:06,580
It seems absolutely crazy to me
1397
01:17:06,685 --> 01:17:09,779
that one of the few remaining power trios
on this planet,
1398
01:17:09,888 --> 01:17:11,378
guitar, bass and drums,
1399
01:17:11,490 --> 01:17:12,923
are smothered in keyboards.
1400
01:17:13,025 --> 01:17:17,655
And I said, "My interest is to get you back
to being a power trio, but a modern take.
1401
01:17:17,763 --> 01:17:23,065
"We'll just find out what that contemporary
definition of power trio really is."
1402
01:17:44,923 --> 01:17:47,255
Alex particularly
wanted to assert guitar more
1403
01:17:47,359 --> 01:17:50,089
as the dominant instrument
and push the keyboards aside
1404
01:17:50,195 --> 01:17:52,857
and Geddy and I went,
"OK, we can do that."
1405
01:17:52,965 --> 01:17:54,159
Alex was pretty...
1406
01:17:56,802 --> 01:17:59,737
"Let's have a concept,
let's not have keyboards."
1407
01:17:59,838 --> 01:18:01,203
And I went along with it.
1408
01:18:01,306 --> 01:18:03,638
I was a little bit sad.
1409
01:18:03,742 --> 01:18:07,109
Presto and Roll The Bones for me
were very much indicative
1410
01:18:07,212 --> 01:18:09,305
of what was going on in the '80s.
1411
01:18:09,414 --> 01:18:12,611
They were thin-sounding records,
they didn't have any balls to them.
1412
01:18:12,718 --> 01:18:16,620
So when I got in there I was kind of hell-bent
on making a heavy record.
1413
01:18:16,722 --> 01:18:18,155
The Caveman pushed us.
1414
01:18:18,257 --> 01:18:22,125
He wanted me to use my Fender bass,
go through old Ampeg amps
1415
01:18:22,227 --> 01:18:25,025
and record it old school.
Everything was old school.
1416
01:18:25,130 --> 01:18:30,693
There were battles, because every engineer
wants Alex to play without his pedals
1417
01:18:30,803 --> 01:18:33,533
and all his own synthesizers
that he plugs into.
1418
01:18:33,639 --> 01:18:36,836
Alex would ask for his fridge of effects
and I would say, "No."
1419
01:18:36,942 --> 01:18:39,877
And he'd say, "I want reverb,"
and I would say, "No."
1420
01:18:39,978 --> 01:18:43,106
He'd say, "I fucking want reverb!
If I want reverb, then I want reverb."
1421
01:18:43,215 --> 01:18:47,174
I'm like, "No, you sound terrible
with reverb, you're not having any reverb."
1422
01:18:47,286 --> 01:18:51,450
So we ended up going to a bar
and drinking about five bottles of Scotch,
1423
01:18:51,557 --> 01:18:54,025
had terrible hangovers the next day,
but we ironed it out.
1424
01:18:54,126 --> 01:18:56,060
We had a lot of "few drinks together"
1425
01:18:56,161 --> 01:18:58,220
and I know what Kevin was going for
and he's right.
1426
01:18:58,330 --> 01:18:59,888
Counterparts turned out to be
1427
01:18:59,998 --> 01:19:02,865
the record that we envisioned
when we first started working on it.
1428
01:19:02,968 --> 01:19:06,369
The songs were thicker
and more hair on them.
1429
01:19:06,471 --> 01:19:08,439
That record was a big turning point
1430
01:19:08,540 --> 01:19:11,907
in reconnecting with the kind
of rock-and-roll guts of Rush.
1431
01:19:13,078 --> 01:19:15,012
# Compensate me #
1432
01:19:17,349 --> 01:19:19,476
# Animate me #
1433
01:19:21,386 --> 01:19:23,877
# Complicate me #
1434
01:19:23,989 --> 01:19:26,822
# Elevate me #
1435
01:19:29,061 --> 01:19:31,621
The opening song, Animate,
I think is one of our all-time best.
1436
01:19:31,730 --> 01:19:33,823
I love the drive of it,
I love the arrangement.
1437
01:19:33,932 --> 01:19:36,560
But I was starting to get conflicted
about my own drumming at that point.
1438
01:19:36,668 --> 01:19:38,829
I'd been working so much with sequencers
1439
01:19:38,937 --> 01:19:40,905
and with click tracks for so many years,
1440
01:19:41,006 --> 01:19:43,566
and I had developed
really good precision of time,
1441
01:19:43,675 --> 01:19:46,735
but I felt a stiffness
because of that metronomic need.
1442
01:19:46,845 --> 01:19:49,279
I didn't have the looseness
that I wanted to hear
1443
01:19:49,381 --> 01:19:50,405
out of my own playing.
1444
01:19:50,515 --> 01:19:53,279
After so many years
of being an amazing player,
1445
01:19:53,385 --> 01:19:57,481
Neil could have clearly
just decided not to play drums
1446
01:19:57,589 --> 01:20:00,080
until it was time
to go play a Rush show.
1447
01:20:00,192 --> 01:20:02,922
But instead, he cared enough
about what he did
1448
01:20:03,028 --> 01:20:05,588
to try and break down
his current technique
1449
01:20:05,697 --> 01:20:09,997
and work with Freddie Gruber
and, sort of, reinvent his playing style.
1450
01:20:17,009 --> 01:20:19,637
I was in New York
doing a Buddy Rich tribute recording.
1451
01:20:19,745 --> 01:20:21,679
Over that recording session in New York,
1452
01:20:21,780 --> 01:20:24,442
I met Freddie and had dinner
and got curious...
1453
01:20:24,549 --> 01:20:26,449
What would it be like
to study with a guy like that?
1454
01:20:26,551 --> 01:20:29,418
And I had the time so I thought,
"Yes, I'm gonna try this."
1455
01:20:29,521 --> 01:20:32,957
Not to make it sound easy, because
when I studied with Freddie I asked myself,
1456
01:20:33,058 --> 01:20:35,288
"Can I really do this?
Will I have the discipline?"
1457
01:20:35,394 --> 01:20:37,157
It's a huge commitment.
1458
01:20:37,262 --> 01:20:40,663
Can you tell me about
when you met Neil? Your first impressions?
1459
01:20:40,766 --> 01:20:45,169
He was easy because he wasn't nuts.
1460
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:48,967
And I was, you know,
and it was, like... it was fun.
1461
01:20:49,074 --> 01:20:51,542
Didn't have to go to some strange land.
1462
01:20:51,643 --> 01:20:53,508
We never played the drums.
1463
01:20:53,612 --> 01:20:55,546
We talked about motion
1464
01:20:55,647 --> 01:20:58,775
and told a lot of stories
and did some dancing...
1465
01:20:58,884 --> 01:21:00,749
We were behind a set of drums
1466
01:21:00,852 --> 01:21:06,222
because the approach to what you do
results in what you get. You understand?
1467
01:21:06,325 --> 01:21:07,849
Freddie is all about the motion
1468
01:21:07,960 --> 01:21:12,659
and it was all about the motion of the hands
and feet that contributed to a dance.
1469
01:21:12,764 --> 01:21:13,992
One of the first things he did
1470
01:21:14,099 --> 01:21:17,262
was stand up and do a little
soft-shoe dance for me and saying,
1471
01:21:17,369 --> 01:21:19,963
"When you're doing that,
is that dance happening on the floor?
1472
01:21:20,072 --> 01:21:21,369
"No, it's happening in the air."
1473
01:21:21,473 --> 01:21:23,065
So these were revelations to me
1474
01:21:23,175 --> 01:21:26,633
to start thinking about not just the hit
but the motions between.
1475
01:21:26,745 --> 01:21:29,839
- Time is linear, it's not...
- Dah! Pah!
1476
01:21:31,116 --> 01:21:33,277
It's like a pogo stick, you know.
1477
01:21:33,385 --> 01:21:35,319
A lot of pop music is played like that.
1478
01:21:35,420 --> 01:21:37,718
It's extremely vertical.
1479
01:21:37,823 --> 01:21:40,690
It's like people slapping water
when they swim.
1480
01:21:40,792 --> 01:21:42,987
- Mm. Yeah.
- It doesn't...
1481
01:21:43,095 --> 01:21:45,393
- Inefficient motion.
...breathe.
1482
01:21:45,497 --> 01:21:49,263
Put it this way, you could have
a beautiful body and look marvelous...
1483
01:21:49,368 --> 01:21:51,268
Thank you.
1484
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:56,871
...but if you're not breathing, it's not alive.
1485
01:21:58,710 --> 01:22:02,009
You know, so you got to at least
put the breath in there, huh?
1486
01:22:02,114 --> 01:22:04,446
I can play a simple beat now
completely different
1487
01:22:04,549 --> 01:22:07,575
from how I would have played
that simple beat 15 years ago.
1488
01:22:09,521 --> 01:22:10,852
Not that.
1489
01:22:15,227 --> 01:22:16,387
There you go.
1490
01:22:16,495 --> 01:22:20,090
It takes a lot of courage being a drummer
the stature that Neil Peart is
1491
01:22:20,198 --> 01:22:22,598
to be able to say, "I can improve."
1492
01:22:22,701 --> 01:22:23,895
And when he came back out,
1493
01:22:24,002 --> 01:22:26,698
and made his appearances
after working with Freddie
1494
01:22:26,805 --> 01:22:28,830
and he turned his grip around,
his traditional grip,
1495
01:22:28,940 --> 01:22:31,272
he had a different approach,
was so much more relaxed.
1496
01:22:31,376 --> 01:22:34,140
That was the most refreshing thing
you could have seen,
1497
01:22:34,246 --> 01:22:36,441
is that your hero could also still learn,
1498
01:22:36,548 --> 01:22:38,140
that they weren't just done.
1499
01:22:38,250 --> 01:22:40,184
When I worked
with my band mates right after that,
1500
01:22:40,285 --> 01:22:43,550
on the Test For Echo songs, the other
guys would say, "It still sounds like you,"
1501
01:22:43,655 --> 01:22:46,783
at first I was disappointed,
but then I thought "Of course it does."
1502
01:22:46,892 --> 01:22:48,655
They thought it sounded the same
1503
01:22:48,760 --> 01:22:52,753
but when they went to play with me,
there was a different clock at work now.
1504
01:22:52,864 --> 01:22:56,061
# Driven day and night in circles #
1505
01:22:57,202 --> 01:23:00,603
# Spinning like a whirlwind of leaves #
1506
01:23:01,673 --> 01:23:04,733
# Stealing in and out of back alleys #
1507
01:23:05,977 --> 01:23:10,175
# Driven to another den of thieves #
1508
01:23:10,282 --> 01:23:13,080
# It's my turn to drive #
1509
01:23:13,752 --> 01:23:17,051
# But it's my turn to drive #
1510
01:23:17,722 --> 01:23:20,486
# Driven to the margin of error #
1511
01:23:21,326 --> 01:23:24,193
# Driven to the edge of control #
1512
01:23:24,896 --> 01:23:28,024
# Driven to the margin of terror #
1513
01:23:28,133 --> 01:23:33,901
# Driven to the edge of a deep, dark hole #
1514
01:23:41,012 --> 01:23:42,445
In mid-August of '97,
1515
01:23:42,547 --> 01:23:45,448
we'd finished the Test For Echo tour
earlier that summer
1516
01:23:45,550 --> 01:23:48,951
and there was a message to call the office
and it was urgent.
1517
01:23:49,054 --> 01:23:51,522
One of the girls told me what had happened.
1518
01:23:51,623 --> 01:23:55,059
Neil's daughter was
in a terrible car accident and lost her life.
1519
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:58,687
I mean, it was just such a horrible shock.
1520
01:23:58,797 --> 01:24:00,924
It was, and I still feel it today,
1521
01:24:01,032 --> 01:24:05,469
it was the start of a whole lot of emotions
that we'd never felt before.
1522
01:24:05,570 --> 01:24:09,973
I had not had a friend
who'd gone through anything like this.
1523
01:24:10,075 --> 01:24:15,638
Ray called me
and told me about the accident
1524
01:24:15,747 --> 01:24:20,514
and I was just in shock as everyone was.
1525
01:24:20,619 --> 01:24:25,386
You're just so unprepared
for how devastating it is
1526
01:24:25,490 --> 01:24:30,894
and you just don't know what to do
or how to help or any of that.
1527
01:24:30,996 --> 01:24:33,556
He could be such a private guy
1528
01:24:33,665 --> 01:24:37,931
and when news like this hits,
you don't want to do the wrong thing.
1529
01:24:38,036 --> 01:24:40,664
You don't want to try to comfort them
1530
01:24:40,772 --> 01:24:43,639
and find out you're only comforting yourself.
1531
01:24:43,742 --> 01:24:47,109
Everything to do with the band
ended at that moment.
1532
01:24:47,212 --> 01:24:49,180
It just didn't seem important.
1533
01:24:49,281 --> 01:24:53,274
It was not something you even
thought about thinking about.
1534
01:24:53,385 --> 01:24:55,649
They didn't know
what to do with themselves
1535
01:24:55,754 --> 01:24:59,281
so they left Toronto
and got away from all those reminders.
1536
01:25:00,725 --> 01:25:02,386
And then Jackie got sick.
1537
01:25:04,930 --> 01:25:10,459
After she passed away,
he was lost and so he ran.
1538
01:25:10,569 --> 01:25:12,969
He got on his motorcycle and ran.
1539
01:25:13,071 --> 01:25:16,632
When his wife died,
he had to do what he needed to do
1540
01:25:16,741 --> 01:25:19,335
to just find some kind of peace.
1541
01:25:19,444 --> 01:25:21,969
He embarked on a long,
very, very painful journey,
1542
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,310
just going and going and going and going.
1543
01:25:31,256 --> 01:25:33,121
Everybody was so worried about me,
1544
01:25:33,225 --> 01:25:35,693
there was a network among my friends
and loved ones,
1545
01:25:35,794 --> 01:25:38,524
"I heard from him today,"
"I got a postcard" or "He called."
1546
01:25:38,630 --> 01:25:40,723
They would all reassure each other.
1547
01:25:40,832 --> 01:25:44,666
Anything could have happened to me
even by accident, let alone by design.
1548
01:25:44,769 --> 01:25:48,569
Fuck, we were so worried about him,
I just...
1549
01:25:49,207 --> 01:25:51,107
But he...
1550
01:25:51,209 --> 01:25:53,473
you know, he was at arm's length.
1551
01:25:53,578 --> 01:25:55,443
Neil needed time but,
to be honest,
1552
01:25:55,547 --> 01:26:00,450
I had no real interest in music
for about a year.
1553
01:26:00,552 --> 01:26:03,020
I hardly played...
I hardly listened to music.
1554
01:26:03,121 --> 01:26:06,716
We were on sabbatical.
We were shut down.
1555
01:26:11,463 --> 01:26:14,660
We're talking about a journey
that stretched 55,000 miles
1556
01:26:14,766 --> 01:26:17,428
starting from Quebec
and going up to the Arctic
1557
01:26:17,535 --> 01:26:20,265
and around Alaska and onto Mexico,
across all of Mexico
1558
01:26:20,372 --> 01:26:23,307
from Baja across the whole
Mexican mainland down to Belize.
1559
01:26:23,408 --> 01:26:25,239
I'd go to small towns and the back roads,
1560
01:26:25,343 --> 01:26:27,971
generally stopping for the night
in hotels along the way
1561
01:26:28,079 --> 01:26:31,048
and I don't think
in that whole 55,000 miles,
1562
01:26:31,149 --> 01:26:33,549
I don't know if I was ever recognized once
1563
01:26:33,652 --> 01:26:36,746
in a little town, at a gas station
or a motel or a diner,
1564
01:26:36,855 --> 01:26:39,722
because I'm just a guy sitting there
with a hat on reading a book.
1565
01:26:39,824 --> 01:26:41,758
A lot of times I can just slip around
and be a guy.
1566
01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:43,555
That's all I want from traveling.
1567
01:26:43,662 --> 01:26:45,789
I just want to be a guy
and that's life enough for me.
1568
01:26:53,271 --> 01:26:56,536
# The way out is the way in #
1569
01:26:57,208 --> 01:27:00,803
# The way out is the way-ay-ay in #
1570
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:08,142
Travel has always been known
as a soothing balm, and even motion,
1571
01:27:08,253 --> 01:27:11,654
from the time we're little babies, we want
to be rocked and if the baby's crying,
1572
01:27:11,756 --> 01:27:14,418
you can take it for a drive in the car
and it calms down.
1573
01:27:14,526 --> 01:27:17,427
That's the way
I described it to myself at that time,
1574
01:27:17,529 --> 01:27:20,760
I was so stirred up, my little baby soul
would only be soothed by motion.
1575
01:27:20,865 --> 01:27:24,357
I traveled out of the darkest place
a human being can come from,
1576
01:27:24,469 --> 01:27:28,269
and it was landscapes, highways
and wildlife that revitalized me.
1577
01:27:28,373 --> 01:27:29,931
It was the timeless landscapes.
1578
01:27:30,041 --> 01:27:32,532
It gives your tiny existence
a new perspective
1579
01:27:32,644 --> 01:27:35,636
when you're among things
that are millions of years old.
1580
01:27:36,481 --> 01:27:40,542
# The way out is the way in #
1581
01:27:40,652 --> 01:27:43,382
# The way out is the way-ay-ay in #
1582
01:27:43,488 --> 01:27:47,049
I remember getting postcards
from him from wherever
1583
01:27:47,158 --> 01:27:49,058
and he was using different names.
1584
01:27:49,160 --> 01:27:52,823
We have, like, about 6,000 nicknames
for each other
1585
01:27:52,931 --> 01:27:56,332
and so I would get a postcard
with that nickname on it,
1586
01:27:56,434 --> 01:27:57,958
so I knew who it was from.
1587
01:27:58,069 --> 01:28:00,765
They were lifelines, those little contacts.
1588
01:28:00,872 --> 01:28:04,103
He knew we were there, somewhere,
1589
01:28:04,209 --> 01:28:09,203
and he knew that we would be there
if he wanted us to be there.
1590
01:28:09,314 --> 01:28:12,078
All he had to do was reach out.
1591
01:28:12,183 --> 01:28:15,016
As far as the band was concerned,
as things went on,
1592
01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,749
it seemed less and less of a possibility
that we would get back together
1593
01:28:18,857 --> 01:28:20,825
and it looked like the band was -
1594
01:28:20,925 --> 01:28:24,452
basically, it was four years -
...that the band was done.
1595
01:28:24,562 --> 01:28:27,793
Oh, I thought it was...
I thought it was over.
1596
01:28:30,101 --> 01:28:34,162
Alex and I would talk about it
once in a while but there was no point.
1597
01:28:34,272 --> 01:28:37,639
I don't want to play in Rush
without those other two guys.
1598
01:28:37,742 --> 01:28:42,008
You know, there's no replacing
anybody in this band,
1599
01:28:42,113 --> 01:28:43,978
it's just not possible.
1600
01:28:44,082 --> 01:28:47,415
It is the band, the three of us, you know.
1601
01:28:47,519 --> 01:28:50,784
Even though he's the new guy,
he's just as important.
1602
01:28:50,889 --> 01:28:53,380
Those two guys
were the most stable thing I had.
1603
01:28:53,491 --> 01:28:57,154
My family and loved ones and those that
dared to stay around me through that time,
1604
01:28:57,262 --> 01:29:00,163
and so hard to...
I would have walked.
1605
01:29:01,433 --> 01:29:03,901
My concern was just that he would be OK
1606
01:29:04,002 --> 01:29:07,768
and I thought it was pointless
to think about it beyond that.
1607
01:29:07,872 --> 01:29:11,467
After a year and a half,
whatever, two years,
1608
01:29:11,576 --> 01:29:15,307
I sensed that he would do it again,
that he would be OK.
1609
01:29:15,413 --> 01:29:17,040
I don't think he worked that hard
1610
01:29:17,148 --> 01:29:20,276
to be what most people consider
as the best in the world at something
1611
01:29:20,385 --> 01:29:22,012
and not go and do it again one day.
1612
01:29:22,120 --> 01:29:26,284
I didn't know if it meant that
it would take five years or ten years
1613
01:29:26,391 --> 01:29:29,986
but I thought that one day
he'd have to do that again.
1614
01:29:55,053 --> 01:29:57,715
When I stopped riding...
...I was ready.
1615
01:29:57,822 --> 01:30:03,089
Traveling all that time, it was when
I came to rest and I came out to California
1616
01:30:03,194 --> 01:30:07,528
and met my wife-to-be
and I got some stability there
1617
01:30:07,632 --> 01:30:13,093
and, with Carrie's help, then realized
that I was wanting to work again.
1618
01:30:13,204 --> 01:30:17,766
That's basically what it took,
but I had to stop moving first.
1619
01:30:17,876 --> 01:30:22,313
He was a little apprehensive
and thought that perhaps maybe
1620
01:30:22,413 --> 01:30:28,215
we might try to talk about
perhaps trying to maybe think about
1621
01:30:28,319 --> 01:30:30,844
possibly getting back in the studio
to record a record.
1622
01:30:30,955 --> 01:30:34,982
It was really like that.
It was quite a fragile, delicate proposition.
1623
01:30:35,093 --> 01:30:37,027
I don't think he knew if he could do it.
1624
01:30:37,128 --> 01:30:39,323
He hadn't played his drums
in a hell of a long time.
1625
01:30:39,430 --> 01:30:43,628
He's such a perfectionist,
such a fucking monster musician.
1626
01:30:43,735 --> 01:30:46,932
I think he was afraid of not being
as good as he once was.
1627
01:30:47,038 --> 01:30:49,302
It was an unsureness.
"Can I do this?
1628
01:30:49,407 --> 01:30:52,342
"Can I write rock lyrics like it's the
most important thing in the world?
1629
01:30:52,443 --> 01:30:54,673
"Can I slave over and over on a drum part,
1630
01:30:54,779 --> 01:30:58,078
"refine every detail like it's the most
important thing in the world? I don't know."
1631
01:30:58,182 --> 01:31:02,619
We basically booked the studio,
7 days a week, for 14 or 15 months.
1632
01:31:02,720 --> 01:31:04,415
Everything had so much weight to it
1633
01:31:04,522 --> 01:31:09,152
and for him to get back his chops
was really a slow process.
1634
01:31:09,260 --> 01:31:11,455
I could hear my state of mind
in my drumming -
1635
01:31:11,563 --> 01:31:13,497
anger, obviously, but confusion.
1636
01:31:13,598 --> 01:31:16,328
The state I was in...
it's in the lyrics too, of course,
1637
01:31:16,434 --> 01:31:20,803
so many of them had to deal with...
I could not sidestep all of that stuff.
1638
01:31:20,905 --> 01:31:24,102
But there was something
that was so pure and truthful
1639
01:31:24,208 --> 01:31:26,199
about the energy on Vapor Trails.
1640
01:31:26,311 --> 01:31:30,748
It really is a representation of that time,
of the coming back of the band.
1641
01:31:30,848 --> 01:31:35,217
# Horizon to horizon #
1642
01:31:35,320 --> 01:31:38,346
# Memory written on the wind #
1643
01:31:39,857 --> 01:31:43,258
# Fading away like an hourglass #
1644
01:31:43,361 --> 01:31:45,522
# Grain by grain #
1645
01:31:48,499 --> 01:31:53,994
# Swept away like voices in a hurricane #
1646
01:31:55,940 --> 01:31:59,933
# In a vapor trail #
1647
01:32:00,678 --> 01:32:04,705
# In a vapor trail #
1648
01:32:05,783 --> 01:32:08,081
Coming back to the stage
is way more difficult
1649
01:32:08,186 --> 01:32:10,848
'cause the essential existence of a band
is on a stage.
1650
01:32:10,955 --> 01:32:13,947
One of the things that keeps me
from quitting touring all the time
1651
01:32:14,058 --> 01:32:15,582
is that's what a band does.
1652
01:32:15,693 --> 01:32:19,789
So coming back to the stage
was the biggest recovery possible.
1653
01:32:19,897 --> 01:32:22,229
Thank you.
1654
01:32:23,167 --> 01:32:29,572
And good evening, Hartford,
United States of America,
1655
01:32:29,674 --> 01:32:31,039
nice to be back here.
1656
01:32:32,644 --> 01:32:35,044
It's been quite long enough, I think.
1657
01:32:36,047 --> 01:32:39,380
That was in Hartford, Connecticut
on the Vapor Trails tour
1658
01:32:39,484 --> 01:32:43,352
and it was such a dramatic thing
after all this that we'd gone through
1659
01:32:43,454 --> 01:32:46,218
that here we were, at our first gig,
back on the road
1660
01:32:46,324 --> 01:32:48,884
and we never even thought
we would work again.
1661
01:32:48,993 --> 01:32:53,157
I think that was one of the few times
we've had a group hug before the show.
1662
01:32:56,934 --> 01:33:02,964
It wasn't lost on us that...
getting to that point...
1663
01:33:04,042 --> 01:33:05,873
was almost impossible.
1664
01:33:05,977 --> 01:33:10,209
So we looked at each other, gave each
other a hug and said, "OK, let's go."
1665
01:33:23,294 --> 01:33:27,628
# For the words of the prophets
were written on the studio wall #
1666
01:33:28,800 --> 01:33:31,132
# Concert hall #
1667
01:33:36,441 --> 01:33:40,104
The crowd was amazing.
They welcomed us back, really warm.
1668
01:33:40,211 --> 01:33:42,179
And Neil was really nervous,
1669
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,943
so I figured my job is to go over there
to make him not nervous
1670
01:33:46,050 --> 01:33:49,508
so I kept checking on him,
throwing him some shapes
1671
01:33:49,620 --> 01:33:52,111
to make sure
he was smiling or laughing.
1672
01:33:52,223 --> 01:33:56,421
That's what that night was like. I was
completely folded into the job of performing,
1673
01:33:56,527 --> 01:33:59,257
but there were moments
when the three of us connected visually
1674
01:33:59,363 --> 01:34:02,560
and we knew what we were doing
and I remember saying to Ray afterwards,
1675
01:34:02,667 --> 01:34:05,261
"It would have been a shame
if that never happened again."
1676
01:34:05,369 --> 01:34:10,773
It was amazing. And it was amazing
to see how happy he was after the show.
1677
01:34:10,875 --> 01:34:13,139
Some demons were gone that night.
1678
01:34:13,244 --> 01:34:17,510
Part of the rebirth of the band was suddenly
a willingness to go where we hadn't gone
1679
01:34:17,615 --> 01:34:22,712
and to see these legions of fans
was such a positive effect on us.
1680
01:34:22,820 --> 01:34:27,723
It was like, "This is a second chance for us
to go back out and play some new places."
1681
01:34:49,213 --> 01:34:53,411
We had no idea, going to Brazil,
of any popularity that we might have
1682
01:34:53,518 --> 01:34:57,113
and then the S�o Paulo show
was 60,000 people.
1683
01:34:57,221 --> 01:35:00,452
By far the largest audience
we singularly had ever played to.
1684
01:35:00,558 --> 01:35:03,959
There was a sense of wild
tumultuous impossible masses of people
1685
01:35:04,061 --> 01:35:07,792
but so locked in a unifying way
that it was just magical. We elevated.
1686
01:35:31,689 --> 01:35:33,418
Having gone through that whole tour,
1687
01:35:33,524 --> 01:35:36,789
being in this place
where we had people going totally mental,
1688
01:35:36,894 --> 01:35:38,327
playing One Little Victory,
1689
01:35:38,429 --> 01:35:42,195
it was a huge victory that we'd survived
the previous five years.
1690
01:35:42,300 --> 01:35:45,565
Finishing on such a high note
was quite a trip.
1691
01:35:45,670 --> 01:35:47,797
The newness of touring was over...
1692
01:35:48,673 --> 01:35:52,700
and I think we had successfully returned.
1693
01:36:13,865 --> 01:36:15,059
Oh yeah!
1694
01:36:17,235 --> 01:36:19,703
# Modern-day warrior named Tom Sawyer #
1695
01:36:19,804 --> 01:36:22,637
# He floated down a river
on a raft with a black guy #
1696
01:36:22,740 --> 01:36:23,707
# Doo-doo doo-doo #
1697
01:36:23,808 --> 01:36:27,574
# Doo-doo doo-doo-doo-doo-doo... #
1698
01:36:27,678 --> 01:36:29,043
Hold on! Hold on!
1699
01:36:29,146 --> 01:36:32,138
Hold on! Stop! Stop!
Those aren't the right lyrics, fat ass!
1700
01:36:32,250 --> 01:36:35,481
I am Geddy Lee and I will sing
whatever lyrics I want!
1701
01:36:35,586 --> 01:36:38,919
There's a lot of people
who were 18 in 1978,
1702
01:36:39,023 --> 01:36:41,048
guys who were crazy Rush fans.
1703
01:36:41,158 --> 01:36:43,353
They're in positions of relative power now.
1704
01:36:43,461 --> 01:36:45,861
They're raising their hands and going,
1705
01:36:45,963 --> 01:36:49,455
"Yeah, I want to be on this bandwagon now.
I always was there."
1706
01:36:49,567 --> 01:36:54,004
Now they had the ability
to bring it to more people than ever before.
1707
01:36:54,105 --> 01:36:58,735
My guests tonight
have 24 gold and 14 platinum records.
1708
01:36:58,843 --> 01:37:01,368
Please welcome Rush!
1709
01:37:02,246 --> 01:37:06,444
Geddy, Neil, Alex,
thank you so much for joining us.
1710
01:37:09,487 --> 01:37:11,114
I just wanna remind everybody
1711
01:37:11,222 --> 01:37:15,158
that this is your first appearance
on American television in 33 years.
1712
01:37:15,259 --> 01:37:17,227
- Correct?
- Yeah.
1713
01:37:17,328 --> 01:37:21,230
I think one of the greatest things
to happen to the collective community
1714
01:37:21,332 --> 01:37:24,631
that has very much enjoyed Rush
for many years,
1715
01:37:24,735 --> 01:37:27,260
was their appearance on the Colbert Report
1716
01:37:27,371 --> 01:37:29,703
because I've seen these guys
get beaten up
1717
01:37:29,807 --> 01:37:32,537
by the supposed cool people for a long time.
1718
01:37:32,643 --> 01:37:34,611
And then, in one fell swoop,
1719
01:37:34,712 --> 01:37:38,648
Stephen Colbert puts them on their show
and gives them the hand of coolness.
1720
01:37:38,749 --> 01:37:42,412
You're known for some, sort of, long songs.
1721
01:37:42,520 --> 01:37:46,422
Have you ever written a song so epic
that by the end of the song
1722
01:37:46,524 --> 01:37:50,290
you were actually being influenced
by yourself at the beginning of the song...
1723
01:37:51,896 --> 01:37:54,888
...because it happened
so much earlier in your career?
1724
01:37:56,233 --> 01:37:59,760
You are yet to be inducted
in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
1725
01:37:59,870 --> 01:38:04,068
Is there any chance your next album
will be called That's Bullsh...
1726
01:38:05,776 --> 01:38:09,234
You could get into
sociological and cultural reasons
1727
01:38:09,347 --> 01:38:12,805
why a band like Rush
was publicly marginalized.
1728
01:38:12,917 --> 01:38:16,011
You can say, "What was it?
They were too weird? Geddy's voice?"
1729
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:19,089
I like to think that, at the end of the day,
people will step back
1730
01:38:19,190 --> 01:38:22,591
and all those labels fall away
because the body of work is significant.
1731
01:38:22,693 --> 01:38:25,526
To me, they remain
one of the top bands in the world.
1732
01:38:25,629 --> 01:38:28,564
Whether some guy at Rolling Stone
decides they are or not,
1733
01:38:28,666 --> 01:38:33,103
is completely irrelevant because, at the
end of the day, rock is a people's game
1734
01:38:33,204 --> 01:38:36,731
and the people have generally
and consistently voted for this band.
1735
01:38:36,841 --> 01:38:40,140
A generation of rock critics
have kept them from being in Rolling Stone
1736
01:38:40,244 --> 01:38:41,871
and from being a part of that conversation.
1737
01:38:41,979 --> 01:38:44,573
They were on the other side of this divide
we're talking about,
1738
01:38:44,682 --> 01:38:47,242
back when they were held in corners
by Rush fans at parties going,
1739
01:38:47,351 --> 01:38:48,716
"But you don't understand!"
1740
01:38:48,819 --> 01:38:52,983
They liked Elvis Costello or David Bowie
or something more critically accepted.
1741
01:38:53,090 --> 01:38:57,424
Now, it's like we're all so old that even
if you hated Rush in the '80s and '70s,
1742
01:38:57,528 --> 01:39:01,521
you gotta give it up for them, you just got to,
or you're just being an old dickhead.
1743
01:39:01,632 --> 01:39:04,533
I think that, in many ways,
you're served better
1744
01:39:04,635 --> 01:39:06,933
if you're not quite as successful.
1745
01:39:07,038 --> 01:39:10,735
If you never become a pop star,
if you don't have top 40 hits.
1746
01:39:10,841 --> 01:39:14,208
Then what you have
is a pure memory for people.
1747
01:39:14,311 --> 01:39:16,108
They don't think you ever sold out.
1748
01:39:16,213 --> 01:39:19,376
Virtue is actually rewarded, I believe.
1749
01:39:39,170 --> 01:39:43,266
The thing with us is, we've always
walked along a shore of the mainstream
1750
01:39:43,374 --> 01:39:47,572
and we've been attached to it and
connected ourselves to it, time and again
1751
01:39:47,678 --> 01:39:49,839
but we've always been a bit outside of it.
1752
01:39:49,947 --> 01:39:53,610
We had our own stream
and it wasn't the main one
1753
01:39:53,717 --> 01:39:56,447
but it was not too far away
from the main one.
1754
01:39:56,554 --> 01:39:59,682
I always like to consider us
the world's most popular cult band.
1755
01:39:59,790 --> 01:40:05,023
The Rush fan, while it's a stereotype
that it's mostly guys who like heavy metal,
1756
01:40:05,129 --> 01:40:09,122
there are many devoted female fans.
It's kind of like a giant club.
1757
01:40:09,233 --> 01:40:13,169
People turn on their kids to Rush,
who turn on their kids to Rush.
1758
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:15,795
It's amazing
that the music's been able to go
1759
01:40:15,906 --> 01:40:19,467
from this generation to this generation
and even a younger generation.
1760
01:40:19,577 --> 01:40:22,137
Their fans
have stuck with them through all of it.
1761
01:40:22,246 --> 01:40:24,271
All their shows are sold out still.
1762
01:40:24,381 --> 01:40:26,349
When Snakes and Arrows
came out in 2007,
1763
01:40:26,450 --> 01:40:28,418
it charted really well for quite a while
1764
01:40:28,519 --> 01:40:31,317
and it was some of the biggest shows
they've ever played.
1765
01:40:31,422 --> 01:40:34,687
It's just amazing for them
to come back really strong like that.
1766
01:40:34,792 --> 01:40:37,784
It was just like it took off!
It took off again all of a sudden.
1767
01:40:37,895 --> 01:40:41,524
It seems like they're bigger now
than they've ever been, which is fantastic.
1768
01:40:41,632 --> 01:40:45,124
There's a comfort in knowing
those same three guys are out there.
1769
01:40:45,236 --> 01:40:49,935
It's also spectacular to see three guys that
could tolerate each other for all these years
1770
01:40:50,040 --> 01:40:52,031
and still make music,
make good music.
1771
01:40:52,143 --> 01:40:55,078
How many more times?
1772
01:40:55,179 --> 01:40:58,080
Here's that thing you ordered.
1773
01:40:58,182 --> 01:41:00,707
It arrived today, this thing you ordered.
1774
01:41:01,719 --> 01:41:04,381
Thank you, Lurch.
1775
01:41:04,488 --> 01:41:08,788
- No sweat.
- It's that special thing!
1776
01:41:10,394 --> 01:41:13,022
Could you turn that off while I use it?
1777
01:41:13,130 --> 01:41:15,360
The Three Stooges all at once.
1778
01:41:15,466 --> 01:41:18,560
They're just such
a unique and weird concoction
1779
01:41:18,669 --> 01:41:21,297
and I get the sense,
and I always have from Rush,
1780
01:41:21,405 --> 01:41:23,669
that they're on a righteous path.
1781
01:41:23,774 --> 01:41:26,743
There's something there
that's really pure, sincere and honest.
1782
01:41:26,844 --> 01:41:30,302
At the root of all of it,
it's also really good, you know.
1783
01:41:30,414 --> 01:41:33,212
That matters more than anything else.
1784
01:41:33,317 --> 01:41:36,548
There's a magic and a coolness
to them that continues to this day
1785
01:41:36,654 --> 01:41:39,088
and that's a testament
to the music's power.
1786
01:41:39,190 --> 01:41:41,784
That's how you know,
it's the only way you know.
1787
01:41:41,892 --> 01:41:45,589
You check in after 25 years.
"Is it still resonating?"
1788
01:41:45,696 --> 01:41:48,790
"Yeah."
It's the only true test.
1789
01:41:48,899 --> 01:41:50,628
The test of time.
1790
01:41:50,734 --> 01:41:53,567
- Right, shall we?
- Now? What, now?
1791
01:41:53,671 --> 01:41:55,502
You mean now?
1792
01:41:55,606 --> 01:41:57,597
You mean right now? Now?
1793
01:41:57,708 --> 01:41:59,767
I can't go on now.
1794
01:41:59,877 --> 01:42:01,105
I've got things to do.
1795
01:42:24,902 --> 01:42:29,066
# Pariah dogs and wandering madmen #
1796
01:42:29,173 --> 01:42:32,939
# Barking at strangers
and speaking in tongues #
1797
01:42:33,043 --> 01:42:36,604
# The ebb and flow of tidal fortune #
1798
01:42:36,714 --> 01:42:41,549
# Electrical changes
are charging up the young #
1799
01:42:44,455 --> 01:42:50,291
# It's a far cry from the world
we thought we'd inherit #
1800
01:42:52,029 --> 01:42:57,626
# It's a far cry from the way
we thought we'd share it #
1801
01:43:00,104 --> 01:43:03,631
# You can almost feel the current flowing #
1802
01:43:03,741 --> 01:43:07,677
# You can almost see
the circuits blowing #
1803
01:43:07,778 --> 01:43:11,270
# One day I feel
I'm on top of the world #
1804
01:43:11,382 --> 01:43:14,215
# And the next it's falling in on me #
1805
01:43:14,818 --> 01:43:19,187
# I can get back on,
I can get back on #
1806
01:43:19,290 --> 01:43:22,657
# One day I feel
I'm ahead of the wheel #
1807
01:43:22,760 --> 01:43:26,025
# And the next it's rolling over me #
1808
01:43:26,130 --> 01:43:30,931
# I can get back on,
I can get back on #
1809
01:43:40,177 --> 01:43:43,806
# Whirlwind life of faith and betrayal #
1810
01:43:43,914 --> 01:43:47,714
# Rise in anger, fall back and repeat #
1811
01:43:47,818 --> 01:43:51,515
# Slow degrees on the dark horizon #
1812
01:43:51,622 --> 01:43:56,116
# Full moon rising, lays silver at your feet #
1813
01:43:57,027 --> 01:43:59,996
Maybe you could tell us
where we're going tonight?
1814
01:44:00,097 --> 01:44:04,090
We're going to meet with Neil.
We're gonna talk about stuff, I guess,
1815
01:44:04,201 --> 01:44:06,135
drink some local wine.
1816
01:44:06,236 --> 01:44:09,262
Will there be any discussion
of the next steps for the band?
1817
01:44:09,373 --> 01:44:13,935
We don't really want to hang around with
the guy, so yeah, we'll talk about that stuff.
1818
01:44:14,044 --> 01:44:16,035
This is just a business meeting.
1819
01:44:17,314 --> 01:44:20,841
- Do we ever have business meetings?
- This is the first one.
1820
01:44:20,951 --> 01:44:22,851
This will be your 24th record.
1821
01:44:22,953 --> 01:44:25,444
What's the motivation to keep doing it?
1822
01:44:25,556 --> 01:44:26,716
Chicks.
1823
01:44:29,159 --> 01:44:31,457
OK, I call this meeting to order.
1824
01:44:32,329 --> 01:44:35,560
Do the thing.
It's so great to drink wine.
1825
01:44:35,666 --> 01:44:37,429
It tastes fantastic
1826
01:44:37,534 --> 01:44:40,298
and it makes you feel funny.
1827
01:44:40,404 --> 01:44:44,135
- Didn't I ever tell you Lurch was a genius?
- You never had to tell me.
1828
01:44:44,241 --> 01:44:47,608
- He's a genius.
- He manifests it every single day.
1829
01:44:47,711 --> 01:44:50,908
- Why don't we write some songs?
- Right now. Let's start.
1830
01:44:51,014 --> 01:44:53,482
- I got a notepad here.
- Are you gonna write lyrics?
1831
01:44:53,584 --> 01:44:55,745
- I can write things down.
- What I thought...
1832
01:44:55,853 --> 01:44:59,789
What if we do something on the
Frankenstein theme we were talking about?
1833
01:44:59,890 --> 01:45:01,482
Like, the life of Frankenstein.
1834
01:45:01,592 --> 01:45:04,083
- A concept album?
- I'm getting an inspiration.
1835
01:45:04,194 --> 01:45:08,290
- That's a bolt... Perfect.
- Hey, yeah! You know something?
1836
01:45:09,733 --> 01:45:13,362
- You got a couple of bolts...
- That's what I'm thinking.
1837
01:45:14,838 --> 01:45:18,638
It's a miracle really
that we've ever had a conversation.
1838
01:45:18,742 --> 01:45:20,403
Let's not start now!
1839
01:45:20,511 --> 01:45:23,844
You know they say if you put 100 monkeys
in a room with typewriters
1840
01:45:23,947 --> 01:45:26,814
they'll eventually produce
the works of Shakespeare?
1841
01:45:26,917 --> 01:45:29,147
Who's going to clean those typewriters?
1842
01:45:29,253 --> 01:45:34,486
- We're getting into a weird area here...
- Monkeys, you know, defecation.
1843
01:45:34,591 --> 01:45:37,025
I don't know you anymore.
1844
01:45:37,127 --> 01:45:39,357
It's like working
with a whole new person.
1845
01:45:39,463 --> 01:45:42,364
- This relationship is...
- I'm so sick of you guys.
1846
01:45:42,466 --> 01:45:46,027
This is really helpful for me.
1847
01:45:46,136 --> 01:45:51,096
I'm working through something emotionally
and psychologically and this helped a lot.
1848
01:45:51,208 --> 01:45:55,542
Yeah, and I quit the fucking stupid band.
I'm out of here.
1849
01:45:55,646 --> 01:45:58,877
OK, take your smokes and go then.
1850
01:45:58,982 --> 01:46:03,646
As soon as I can get over there, I'm gonna
rise to my knees and kick your ass.
1851
01:46:03,754 --> 01:46:07,155
Rise to your knees. That sounds
like the new Rush album title.
1852
01:46:07,257 --> 01:46:08,884
That'll be the day.
1853
01:46:08,992 --> 01:46:10,892
Oh my God, we are geniuses.
1854
01:46:10,994 --> 01:46:14,157
- We're gonna do hockey nights in Canada...
- Hockey, hockey!
1855
01:46:14,264 --> 01:46:16,789
...with the drum solo
with the Latino stuff in it.
1856
01:46:16,900 --> 01:46:20,893
Boy, that's gonna be one great album.
That's the next album, guys.
1857
01:46:21,004 --> 01:46:22,335
We've got it sorted out.
1858
01:46:22,439 --> 01:46:26,705
I think we've been successful
in destroying these people's film.
1859
01:46:26,810 --> 01:46:30,644
I will remind them
that I said you would regret it.
1860
01:46:30,747 --> 01:46:32,374
I just wanted to say that.
1861
01:46:32,483 --> 01:46:37,250
I said, "Don't be surprised when
you discover how boring we really are."
1862
01:46:38,956 --> 01:46:40,924
Cut!
1863
01:46:48,966 --> 01:46:50,991
Now I like Rush.
1864
01:46:51,101 --> 01:46:53,899
The louder the better now.
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