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Katherine Austin Fitz is one of the most

prominent voices in the world warning us

about our rapid march into a digital

dystopia.

>> Katherine Austin Fitz we know of digital

IDs

>> as a control grid

>> to assert phenomenal surveillance and

control of people. She is the former US

assistant secretary of housing, a Wall

Street investment banker and the founder

of the Solari report. Fitz describes

this emerging digital surveillance

system as a panopticon,

a concept introduced by Jeremy Benton in

which the constant observation of a

central authority endures discipline and

control most famously exemplified by a

prison. The problem Fitz argues is that

this new 21st century digital control

grid, this modern anopticon will be

total. that once complete control in a

way that I would describe as

absolutely evil.

>> With the technocratic tools now in

development,

it could potentially survail everyone

everywhere

and restrict our personal freedoms at

will. It doesn't feel like that in this

nice little cozy small town in the

Netherlands where we are doing this

interview. Yet Fitz warns that this

system is approaching fast.

Just this morning, I was in my hotel in

Amsterdam coming down to the street uh

on the elevator and then I I saw a sign

that reminded me of the interview

instantly. The sign was that we are a

cashless hotel.

>> Yeah. Another reason why I would never

stay there.

>> Yeah. you saying cash is important. So

yeah,

>> can you can you please elaborate why?

>> Not that long ago, several of the

Scandinavian central banks said, "We

made a mistake to try and go cashless.

We're reversing it." And the reason is

all around the world, you see these

moments of disaster, when the

electricity stops working and the

telecommunications stop working and if

you don't have cash, you're toast. For

example, when the cyclones came through

in New Zealand, the governor afterwards

stood up and he said, you know, the

electricity didn't work. If we hadn't

had cash, we would have been in real

trouble. And it was the same thing in

the floods or the hurricanes in Florida

or North Carolina and eastern Tennessee.

If you didn't have cash, you know, the

FEMA was giving out credit cards to use

for emergency funding, but there was no

electricity and no telecommunications.

Nobody could nobody could use the credit

cards, right? So yeah,

>> if you're going to have a resilient

economy, you have to have an analog

option, number one. But number two, if

you look at the drain on our economy

that comes from financial transactions,

it's very high. You know, if you're

taking out one or two or even 3% in fees

in every transaction, enough

transactions, it's all gone. So I take a

hundred euros and I spend it and I spend

it again and I spend it again and it

circulates in the economy. After enough

transactions, if it's electronic, it's

all gone, right? It's a diminishing

resource. If you're spending cash, no

transaction fees. It just, you know, it

it just moves around. You still have a

hundred euros, right? The amount of

money that the credit card or other

financial transactions take out is

astonishing. So South Dakota has a

million people. Every year 3/4 of a

billion dollars goes out in financial

transactions by the credit card

companies. So uh well let me give you

one other reason. people who who uh

spend cash uh are much more careful

about their purchases and much more

thoughtful about what they're really

spending and why they're spending. So

you tend to be more prudent. The reason

I'm so focused on it is

if you look at the implementation of a

digital control system, it cannot happen

until we're 100% digital. So

>> yeah,

>> so cash is a leakage that prevents total

physical control or digital control. And

I think that's imperative when you have

a governance system that wants complete

control in a way that I would describe

as

absolutely evil. Um the last thing I

want is for you to be stripped of all

your freedoms by tricking you into an

all digital system. And unfortunately

what it means is that hotel is

facilitating

the push to complete tyranny. That

that's not their intention I'm sure.

>> I mean they're saying it's so

convenient.

>> So slavery is not convenient. And so the

notion that this is somehow convenience

is ridiculous especially when you look

at the money and the surveillance that's

siphoned off because in a digital system

you're under complete surveillance.

There's no privacy. In an analog system,

you have the potential for a lot more

privacy. And so what you're doing is you

are allowing your enemy to track

everything you're doing and what you're

doing and how you're doing in a way

that's going to hurt you is hurting you

now, but you don't you don't make you're

disassociated from the connection

between, you know, your enemy. I mean,

think about it. When you give your child

a smartphone, so you've seen the James

Bond movies, right? And you know who

Spectre is. Yeah. Right. So, Spectre is

this organized crime syndicate that, you

know, is trying to run the world. Okay.

When you give your child a smartphone,

you're saying, "Here, I want Spectre to

have 247

not only to you and and see what you're

doing and how you're doing. I want them

to have 24/7 access to your subconscious

to influence what you think and what you

want and what you feel. They can

brainwash you. And so I'm going to give

an intimate connection between Spectre

and my child.

Why would anyone do that? They wouldn't

do that if they were rational.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. But

>> yeah, it is irrational. Absolutely.

>> It's totally irrational.

>> I mean guys in Silicon Valley won't give

their children smartphone. they know

>> how to, you know, explain to everyone uh

why privacy matters because a lot of

people would uh say that uh

so let them or if you don't do anything

wrong.

>> So can I show you a quick little video?

>> Of course you can.

>> So I we have this section on the website

called video shorts. Someone in Britain

made this just to show people what it

felt like to walk around in a world in

an all digital financial system.

>> This is a restricted access for brick

card holders only.

>> I don't have a smartphone. I didn't

register for the Brit card. I'm sorry.

>> Stop right there.

>> Another large wine, please.

>> Sorry, hun. Your brick card says you've

exceeded your alcohol quotota for this

week.

>> You what? You don't have a brick card?

Then I'm afraid you're fired.

>> I'm afraid your brick card says you have

exceeded your carbon footprint for this

month and you will not be permitted to

purchase any more fuel.

>> It does a quite good job of helping you

understand

what the world would have been like

during COVID, for example, if all the

lockdowns and other restrictions could

have been implemented by a digital ID

and programmable money. So the danger

when you add a digital ID to

programmable money to uh you know the

data center AI and other infrastruct

hardware infrastructure you need to run

a social credit system. When you add

those three pieces together you get an

all digital financial system that

implements plea control. And if you look

at the guys running things they've been

very clever. It's like here's the herd

and they keep putting up sides of the

corral making you feel like it's

convenient before they put in the fourth

one and throw the trap. I want to just

add uh one thing. We Estonians because

this is about digital ID,

>> right? So you're very big on digital

business, digital whatever. You see

yourself as being in the forefront of

implementing, you know, all the

wonderful things that digital

>> systems can do.

>> Taxis online, right?

>> We can go to the bank of course online

and uh well even boat uh although there

are a lot of problems already there. So

uh uh this is another issue another

topic maybe my fellow countrymen would

say well yeah of course digital idea

what's the what's the problem there but

what is this digital ID they are talking

about that's the thing it differs from

the um conception that I can do my taxes

it's it's something else right

>> this is designed to be a global system

meantime you have many different cartels

trying to be the one you know so my

cartel wants to control the digitalized

e system and the healthcare control you

know wants to use vaccine passports you

know so we're watching tremendous

competition

in industries and providers of who gets

to define the digital ID and how it

works and whatever but essentially what

everybody needs if they're going to have

complete central control is they need a

exceptionally precise highquality

digital ID system and everything works

off of that the Programmable money works

off of that. The spatial control works

off to after that you have all these

data data centers built around the world

to basically manage the data for the

control grid.

>> What are the components of this uh

system this digital control grid? What

are the components the main components

that uh are being built? So the first

thing is that digital ID, right? Because

everything, the spatial control and the

financial control work off of that. So

it's the satellites, it's the

telecommunications. Um, including

massive amounts of towers, you know, on

the ground. Um, it's that we have

something in America called flock

cameras. I don't know if you have them

here, but basically cameras in local

areas that read license plates and feed

the information back. The big piece is

the data centers because you're

collecting data in real time and having

to then generate data in real time and

that requires tremendous amounts of data

collection and analysis and generation.

Um, and that's the p the primary goal of

AI is control. It's not to make us more

productive. It's to control and it has

other applications. But what AI is

fantastic at is things that can be uh

tracked mathematically. So that's

financial transactions and also spatial

control. Then you have a whole layer of

hardware infrastructure to implement

enforcement. And that's what they're

building the robots and the drones for

is essentially um you know uh Tesla is

saying they're going to make a million

humanoid robots a year and and basically

that's so you can enforce whatever you

need but you can also replace any human

you need. So you know what these people

are paid for is to is to say this stuff

with a straight face. And I give them

credit. I couldn't do it. So,

>> what is this programmable money? How

does this work?

>> So, programmable money, I literally I go

back to co if I don't want you if I'm

putting you in a 15-minute city and I I

don't want you to be able to leave your

15-minute city, it won't work outside of

your 15minute city. And I can program

very different rules for you than I

program for, you know, me. So, I can

custom design the rules that enforce

your existence.

It can embed rules on where you can go,

what you can eat, what you can do. Uh,

it can punish you for what you say. It

can arbitrarily increase your taxes if

the state needs more money. It can shut

down your account if this if they think

that will slow down inflation. You just

stop everybody from spending. And you

can embed highly complex rule systems to

manage each individual as well as to

manage groups of individuals and places

as well as you know everybody. So now

the bankers cannot just run monetary

policy they can run fiscal policy

through programmable money. If you look

at the whole sort of western world

they've so grown up with financial

freedom that they can't fathom this. And

of course, if you look at all the parts

of the system, you know, so we're we're

watching QR codes and smartphones

and uh crypto and you know, you have all

these different pieces that are being

put into place. There hundreds of them

and if you talk to each person, they'll

tell you why this is more efficient and

they like it and and what they're saying

is legitimate. Except they don't

understand once you fuse it together

it's a digital concentration camp and

suddenly you know if if I don't like

your social media posts I can turn off

your money and I don't need a bureaucrat

to do it. It can the software can do it.

>> You mentioned China Chinese social

credit system they have also

they have rolled out digital hen

understand. Uh so

are they already implementing such a

system there?

>> So I get different feedback from China.

I just had several allies go to China

and say you know it's really not that

bad. I've had other people say yes

they're rolling out social credit and

it's really invasive.

>> I follow what's happening in China and I

also mentioned 15inut cities. I've seen

those videos online that you have to

show your

>> QR code to get in or out of a zone. It's

spatial control.

>> Yeah, it pretty much

>> right. And if you look at what they did

in lockdowns, it was brutal.

>> Do we understand that this kind of thing

in the west? I mean, I feel that we

don't understand that this kind of uh

thing can lead to that.

>> The media is not designed to tell us

what's coming, you know, unless that's

desired. So, the corporate media is

dedicated to helping facilitate

centralized control. So, they're trying

to hurt us into the digital

concentration camp, and that's what

they're paid to do. And it's hard for

many people to fathom that the media

would systematically do something to

intentionally poison or kill you, but

they do. And you know, I've had lots of

experience and proof of that. And the

beauty of it, it's not me saying it.

It's the governor of a Federal Reserve

Bank or the president of Federal Reserve

Bank. It's the head of the Bank of

International Settlements in Basil,

Switzerland. It's the deputy director at

the IMF and they're telling you what

they're going to do. This is my favorite

one. So, in 2020, at the time, Augustine

Carson's was the general manager for the

BIS. Anyway, so he explains why he likes

CBDC now. And I had never in my life

heard a central banker tell the truth

publicly. I mean, I've heard them tell

the truth, but not publicly. When

Augustine Carson said this, I fell off

my chair. It was like the first time I

saw a central banker tell the truth. So,

here we go.

>> Uh, for example, in cash, we don't know,

for example, who is using a $100 bill

today. We don't know who is using a

1,000 peso bill today.

A key difference in with the CBDC is

that central bank will have absolute

control on the rules and regulations

that will determine the use of that

expression of central bank liability and

also we will have the technology to

enforce that.

>> So here's what he just said. He said

it's not your money, it's our expression

of central bank liability. It's our

money. Okay, that's number one. Number

two, he said we can make the rules

centrally, but the most important thing

he said was and we can enforce them

centrally.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay.

>> That's

>> total control.

>> Absolutely.

>> This is a uh the head the president of

the Minneapolis Fed. So he's asked about

CBDC's at Columbia University. Here's

what he said.

>> I keep asking anybody anybody at the Fed

or outside of the Fed to explain to me

what problem this is solving. And you

know, they say, "Well, what about China?

China's doing it." Well, I can see why

China would do it. If they want to

monitor every one of your transactions,

you could do that with the central bank

digital currency. You can't do that with

Venmo. If you want to impose negative

interest rates, you could do that with

the central bank digital currency. You

can't do that with Venmo. And if you

want to directly tax customer accounts,

you could do that with the central bank

digital currency. You can't do that with

Venmo. But I get why China would be

interested. Why would the American

people be for that? So, so this is Boli

who used to be at the Bank of China at

this time in 2023 was at the IMF. So

again remember think programmable money.

>> The third way we think CBDC can improve

financial inclusion is through what we

call programmability.

That is CBDC can allow

government agencies and private sector

players to program to create smart

contract.

>> We have a section on the SLE report

called cognitive liberty. are doing a

big series on cognitive livery and it's

all the ways they manipulate people and

I think um and and we just finished a

great interview that Elsa did on neuro

warfare and I think one of the problems

that has really expanded it started with

TV pretty badly but then it went to you

know it got into radio and it went to

smartphones um we're dealing with

militaryra neurow warfare that is

influencing what we think and we feel

and so it's making us feel that certain

things are safe or okay when in fact

they're not. So it's encouraging us to

do certain health care, you know, or to

take pharmaceuticals that are very

dangerous and are killing people. But

we, you know, we've been literally

brainwashed. But it was clear to me from

98 on that's what they were going to try

and do. you know, they were absolutely

clear they were going to centralize

control of all resources

and and you know, if you had been on the

inside, you knew what they were up to,

you know. So, we we tried very hard to

help people understand, look, you know,

you're dealing with

an effort to massively consolidate

political and economic control, and

here's what you need to do to navigate

it. you'll be talked into doing things

that are totally ridiculous. You know,

we had I remember one subscriber telling

me about a relative who was like wearing

a whole plastic bodysuit take up at the

store and these ridiculous things.

>> So, when we were driving here, uh we

were also remembering all sorts of

ridiculous things that people were meant

to believe and if they were not

believing in it, they were kind of

smeared or

>> Here we are again. We're just starting

into CO 2.0, I know, right? You shut

down the straits. You bottleneck the

straits, shut off the energy, and

suddenly, you know, we've got we've got

gas rationing and and and

you know, spatial controls going in

around the world. It's CO 2.0.

So, we we did health, now we're going to

do transportation, right? We're going to

do energy. I mean, it's clearly part of

the reset. It it's clearly the next

phase of the reset. That's what you see

all over the world. So at the G20

meeting in September, you had Russia and

China all pledged and India all pledging

allegiance to the BIS construct of you

know this control system.

>> So everybody has their own version but

you have a lot of countries who say we

want to run our control grid. We don't

want the city of London to run our

control grid or the New York Fed to run

our control grid.

>> So there's a power struggle over there.

Well, there's a struggle not only

between sort of nation states, there's a

huge struggle between industries. So, if

you look at this the war happening right

now between um the tech bros and um and

the banks as to who's going to control

because we haven't talked about stable

coins and asset tokens. The next

iteration of CBDC implementation is

private CBDC's which are far worse.

They're far more ugly. If you think, you

know, if you think the central bank is

scary, way do you see, you know, that

stuff controlled by Mark Zuckerberg and

his

it's like really do you want Palunteer

running your CBDC?

>> What are they what are they going to

Well, what's the plan there?

>> Okay, so let's let's talk about stable

coins and then we'll talk about digital

assets. So, we'll we'll end with the

scariest one. Okay. So, stable coins,

the world is rejecting buying treasury

securities, right?

And uh but meantime, the America, the US

is spending money like a drunken sailor.

So, the question is how do they sell

more treasuries globally? And so, you

issue a stable coin which is

collateralized dollar for dollar with a

essentially a short-term treasury bill.

And then someone can use that stable

coin globally to transact. So, they're

going to offer stable coins through the

crypto rails to everybody around the

world. So, if you're in Bolivia or

you're in Amsterdam and you don't want

to use the euros or the Bolivian

currency, you can use a stable coin

through the crypto rails and and and

trade the dollar and transact with the

dollar. Okay? But that dollar is is not

going to go into the banking system

that's going to make loans. It's going

to go to the treasury which you use it

to the next war. It's quite clever

because remember every stable coin is

going to be programmable

and so it gives you complete

surveillance of all the citizens

globally if it works and you can start

to fiddle and control them. So what

you're going to watch is the US

government essentially

uh using private bank you know so it's

going to be the big banks uh are going

to be in the lead on this but you know

and then and a variety of crypto firms

use the crypto rails to tender for as

many citizens as they can reach through

the smartphones and the internet as

possible and get them off their local

currency and out of their local banking

system and into the treasury market

through using the equivalent of a little

crypto treasury bill to trade, right?

Because if I'm putting money in my local

bank in Estonia, you know, the bank's

making loans and and and facilitating

with credit creation, building the

monetary supply. It's through that

credit creation that you create. And if

you've ever studied Richard Warner's

book, and Richard is the my opinion the

top economist in the world, he he

explains how really good local banks,

you know, through their credit creation

of of, you know, properly underwritten

companies creates massive growth without

inflation. And instead, what you're

going to do is you're going to suck all

the money out of that and into financing

the war machine. What a great idea.

>> Yeah.

>> Right. Well, clever.

>> Yeah. So, very clever.

>> Very clever. Now, we don't know if this

is going to succeed or fail, but if it

succeeds from the point of view of the

Secretary of Treasury, it's going to

decimate the tax base everywhere in the

world that it works. Okay, we're talking

about a mammoth shift into

centralization because instead of my

money going into the local bank and

circulating in my community, it's going

to Washington where they control who

gets it, right? more billionaires. We'll

create a lot more billionaires.

Now, Wall Street has said, "We're going

to issue

tokens." So, instead of trading $250

trillion worth of stocks and bonds

globally through the current mechanisms,

we're going to create a token for all

the stocks and bonds and then trade it

through the crypto rails. And uh

depending on what happens and how it

happens essentially all of that trading

can be without all the restrictions and

laws and conditions that protect you

from financial fraud over here in the

traditional way to trade it. So we're

going to trade 24/7

with low transaction fees and it's going

to be the wild west. Anything goes and

it's very unclear operationally exactly

how that's going to work. So you talk to

a money manager in the traditional

financial system and they're like, I

have no idea this is going to work. Do

you know because it's not clear what the

legal connection between

um between a token on a share of IBM

stock and the IBM stock, you know, and

and the other thing that they want to

tokenize all real assets. So they want

to tokenize the national parks and sell

tokens so that you can own a piece of

the national park. It's a way of

privatizing all the land and resources

in the world. You know, it is a vision

of how you get to the the financial

control grid.

>> What is your uh opinion of the current

US administration?

>> The current administration has 6 to7

trillion a year of expenses and $4

trillion of revenues. So, they have a

deficit of$2 to3 trillion a year and the

debt is skyrocketing. Okay. Do you think

they're in control?

probably not.

>> Okay.

>> So, so they don't have agency, right?

And and you know, there's all sorts of

questions about how exactly they get

their orders and how it works, but you

know, they are functioning in a world

where they don't have control. And it's

clear, you know, it's clear that the

president is basically doing what he's

told and and the question is who's

telling him and how does that message

get delivered? So you you kind of had

this show in front where a group of

people look and act like they're running

things, but you know, and it looks

discombobulated because they're

constantly saying one thing and doing

another and whatever. And then behind

it, you have a group of people who, in

my experience, are pretty competent and

are making it clear, you know, this is

how we're going to go. And some people

refer to that as deep state. I usually

refer to that as the central bankers. I

may, you know, it's oversimplified, but

the the system wants to implement a

control grid and it can't do it without

cutting off the leakage and I suspect

that's a big part of what what is

happening is about.

>> So, uh, currently, uh, they're moving

forward implementing this control grid

in the US. Well, they're try they're

trying to, but you know, if you look at

just step back and look at what's

happening,

the US government spends for the last

since World War II, you know, for many

decades now, a half a trillion to a

trillion dollars a year. So, our

military budget is a trillion dollars a

year. Okay? If you're running the global

reserve currency, there's one thing you

must do if you're the military, and that

is you must keep the sea lanes open, and

you must control the sea lanes. Okay.

So, we shut down the Straits of Hermos.

Initially,

it was the city of London that shut it

down. It was Lloyds. Lloyds pulled the

insurance. Okay. So, the city shut down

the straits, not the Iranians, right?

And now you have a trillion dollar a

year military

saying that they're helpless to keep the

straits open. Do you believe that?

Well,

I don't know what to believe lately.

>> Well, but if you look at So, so the

Iranians have been under severe

sanctions for decades.

>> Yeah.

>> Okay. And what we're saying is a country

of 92 million with a tiny military

budget under severe sanctions, controls

the straits and the American empire with

a trillion dollars a year is helpless to

do anything.

>> They have been telling this to us all

along. I mean always when it was talk

about Iran attacking Iran, it was always

also talk about straight of horm.

>> But but let's let's look at the global

chess board. The Americans tried to put

on tariffs for everybody. The Supreme

Court has said no, you can't do that.

But there's another way to put everybody

over the barrel. Remember, the Americans

have worked very hard to make sure

they're energy self-sufficient and they

have stockpiles a lot of things they

need. Okay? They just put the world into

energy collapse and famine conditions,

you know, by doing this. So now they got

everybody over a barrel

and they're, you know, relatively, it's

what the one of the economic

spokesperson for the White House said

the other day, we're going to use this

on our news transit story. He said, uh,

American economy is going to be fine. He

said, the consumer is going to be hurt,

but the economy will be fine because in

fact, the billionaires should be fine.

Right? Because what you're talking about

doing is creating the conditions for

massive consolidation upwards, right? I

mean, you can shut down every small

business and small farm in the world and

consolidate upward because the if you've

got the reserve currency and you can do

what you do to do it during co I mean we

shut down in America. We shut down, we

bankrupted or shut down 35% of the small

business and god knows how many of the

small farms and and the the publicly

traded Wall Street firms had a field

day. They made a fortune, right? So it

was successful

and if you think that's successful, why

do you see this? Because for the last

year, the administration has cut down

massive amounts of, you know, there are

all these different programs to provide

uh funding for the food insecure both

domestically and internationally.

They've canled I think most if not all

of that. So now I mean now you're

talking about serious famine conditions

globally if this continues.

>> Yeah.

>> Cuz you know the if you look at the the

ingredients coming through for the

fertilizer plants including in Europe

you know and then look at everything

we've done in Europe to to shut down the

small farmer. I mean you are creating

the conditions of famine.

>> Yeah. Well, in Europe, what we did in

the Netherlands, what what they did here

was uh

>> it's criminal.

>> Yeah. And it was it was, you know, on

the pretext of climate. This is another

thing.

>> It had nothing to do with climate. It

had to do with central control,

>> right? You can't get central control.

Here's the thing, you know, because

programmable money and food are two

sides of one coin. I cannot, you know,

if everybody can grow food and eat and

they have food and energy, they'll they

can make community currencies, they

don't need my money, right? I got to

control the energy and the food if I'm

going to get programmable money, if I'm

going to put everybody in the digital

concentration camp.

>> Yeah. So, let me ask you, what do you

think? How far are we from?

>> We are very close and they are moving

very fast. So, it's scary. And it's

interesting because I just came from the

states. We were we were working with

different states to legislate

programmable money. And our challenge

was literally the legislators couldn't

fathom that this was a possibility. The

market is issuing this stuff at record

speed and high speed. And if you wait,

you don't wait until you've built the

whole highway to put up guard rails. And

if I'm building a thousand mile highway

and I've got 200 miles now, you put up

the guardrails now because people are

getting killed now, right? So you can't

wait. And and and especially because

what we're talking about are fundamental

constitutional or basic law rights, you

know, I mean, if you look at basic human

rights in Europe or the United States,

we're just talking about putting guard

rails that protect those things. And

that doesn't stop any financial

innovation. It just stops the digital

control grid. That's all.

>> Yeah. But uh what do you think our

current post be in in Europe as well as

in the United States? They for me it

seems as if they are kind of in on it.

>> Well, but not only are the leadership

here I mean the leadership are paid in

every country in the world to sell their

local population down the river. That's

what's been happening for decades. If

you think it's bad in Europe, you should

see what went on in Latin America

starting in, you know, the late 90s. It

was incredible. And I'll give you a

perfect example because I just drove to

Switzerland and back through Germany.

And every time I do a round trip through

Germany, it's worse. And um Vanderlayan

the other day said, "Oh, it was a

mistake to cancel nuclear power." It's

like, really? You think? You think? You

know, how stupid are you? I mean you you

>> she voted against it while while it was

on vote in Germany. She was was also in

against nuclear power. I mean

>> it's totally insane.

>> It's suicide. And and Volkswagen just

announced they're going to be making I

think missiles because they can't make

it as a car company. I mean energy has

destroyed its industrial base. It's

suicide. And I just saw um uh a video of

one of the uh people from Germany in the

European Parliament describing how many

jobs and businesses have been lost.

>> Well, that's linked all always linked to

the European Green Deal, of course. So,

>> which is a farce. I I mean, basically,

it's building central control and it's

it's building depopulation.

So, you know, you're talking about

lowering the population, putting the the

lowered population under complete

control, and centralizing political and

economic power. So, it's a

re-engineering, it's a reset.

>> What are the things that uh everyone can

do to, you know, take cultural measures

or something,

>> right? So, here's here's what I think we

can do.

I think we can build the world we want

to live in. And I think, you know, I'm a

great believer that these uh that this

effort for complete central control will

fail.

And uh but you can't wait for it to fail

to have plan B. And we have to build

plan B. We have to build the kind of

world we want to live in. Part of the

problem, the reason I left the

establishment in 98 was I said this

group of people does not have a culture

that can handle advanced technology. It

does not have a culture

uh you know that can support an advanced

civilization. It does not have a culture

I want to live in. Do you know what I

mean? I mean it's it's demonic culture.

So I used to have this wonderful friend

in Washington who would say culture is

the integration of the divine and

everyday life you know and we're looking

at a culture which is

you know I have no intention of living

in that culture which is why people say

aren't you worried that you're you know

you're going to be out and you're going

to be like no who wants to be in with

that do you know what I mean so anyway

so uh we have to you know we have to

build the world we want to see emerge

from this. And I feel as I watch the

establishment, it's a little bit imagine

if we got in a a time machine and went

back to the Neanderthal age and we gave

the Neanderthalss laser guns, what would

happen? Okay, that's what this feels

like. Because if you look at the new

technology which is is here and what's

coming, it's powerful beyond imagination

what technology can do for us. But

you're putting it in the hands of

Neanderthal. Anyway, so uh I don't know

if you've seen any of these videos of

the leadership saying that they're going

to live forever. So one of my favorite

videos is Jared Kushner after he left

the first administration saying, "I'm

going to be the first generation to

either live forever or to the last

generation not to live forever." So he

said, "I'm taking care of myself. I'm

going to the gym." It's like, or Sean

Parker saying, "I'm a billionaire, so

I'm going to live till I'm 145 and

you're not you're not going to like

that, you know. So, so but if you look

at what's going on in life sciences,

it's fantastic, you know, and and if we

had an advanced civilization, it could

be used very, you know, well, so you

know, part of this is all these

technologies are just tools and the

question is where's the culture that can

manage them, you know, in a healthy way.

So uh so I think we have to build that

world and if you come to solar we have a

curriculum called building wealth and

then we have a wonderful program here

let me show you that we really love and

we started it as a prototype to see if

it could work and it's really working

wonderfully. Yeah the young builder

course. So what we're doing is we're

taking um the first course is kids 18 to

28 and seeing if we can use our building

wealth curriculum to help them learn uh

how to navigate this environment to see

what's really going on but then use that

knowledge to build productive lives,

productive families, productive

businesses. So it's very much focused on

entrepreneurship of various kinds.

Anyway, so so a lot of what we want to

do is evolve that ultimately into a

university that can help young people

really be successful and build the kind

of world we want to live in. And um and

so that's what we're up to. And to a

certain extent I'm trying I'm doing a

lot uh legislatively and and with people

to you know so our subscriber base what

we're trying to do is help protect them

from the digital control grid and do

everything they can to slow down or stop

the digital control grid but in the

meantime you know we have to build

forward we have to build the kind of

world we want to live in and and you

have to understand there's a there's a

wonderful book called Political

Ponerology. I don't know if you've ever

read it. It's by a guy who after dealing

as a young man with the Nazis ended up

in under the Soviet under the thumb of

the Soviet Union. Anyway, he and a group

of his colleagues got together and wrote

a book about uh uh psychopathy

uh integrated into the political system.

How does psychopaths find each other and

get organized and end up controlling the

political system? And one of the things

he said, which I'll never forget, is he

said,

you know, it would make most people

neurotic to be run by these psychopaths.

And and it was because they didn't

understand, in other words, they didn't

understand that 2 to 5% of the

population is born without empathy.

Because if you're born with empathy, you

can't fathom that other people don't

have empathy and they're good at finding

each other. It's conspiring against you.

And so anyway, so but he what he

discovered, he and his colleagues

discovered is if they could learn that

there is a certain percentage of people

who don't have empathy and are willing

to be what I call desk killers,

um they could start to take tactical

evasions. They could start to implement

ways of behaving in their life that

would protect them from these people.

But first they had to fathom that those

other people don't have empathy. And I

think the more people can you know I if

you look at who's building the digital

control grid do you know who it is?

>> I mean um well the porous

>> no it's us. We're going to work every

day and building it. And if you look at

our investments we're all financing it

and we're banking with the banks that

are doing it and we're supporting the

companies that are doing it. And so I

told you I wanted to give you a copy of

Coming Clean. So So our theory on how

you build a wonderful world because I'm

I liken the centralizers to a tapeworm.

And so if you have a tapeworm, you know

what you have to do? You have to detox

it. So coming clean is sort of going

through all the aspects of your life,

your mind, your health, your food, your

money, and getting rid detoxing the tape

room and cleaning it out of your life.

And that makes you more powerful and the

tapeworm weaker. And everybody who does

that and and shuns the tapeworm, the

tapeworm gets weaker and weaker. So if

we can all detox the tapeworm, that's a

step forward. And that gives you the

energy and the resources you need to

start to build the kind of world we want

to live in. And it's really amazing

because the the thing I love about what

I do is when we all get together,

because a lot of this is finding each

other. when we all get together, we have

a blast. I mean, it's a blast to be part

of a group of people who are building

forward something that you want to be

part of. Do you know what I mean?

>> Yeah.

>> So, that's what I love about my, you

know, the advantage of going out in the

wilderness and seeing, okay, let's see

who I can find and what we can do

together is suddenly you wake up decades

later and everywhere you go, you're with

great people who are doing stuff. So,

what I'm telling people is, you know, if

you're going to walk them down first,

get rid of the credit card.

>> Yes.

>> Yeah. Or just, you don't have to get rid

of it cuz we need, you know, I need a

credit card to travel. Just dramatically

lower how much you use it, you know, cut

the flow of profits into the tape.

>> Of course.

>> Yeah.

>> Well, I think that's a wonderful

suggestion. I mean, people should do it

and

>> Yeah. And I think uh it is a actually a

positive note to to end end this

conversation because that would be a lot

better than ending up in this digital

goolog.

>> So I'm not going to end up in it. You

know, you know, I may die by the isomer

throwing my phone into the isomer, but

I'm I'm not going to end up in it. I'm

not going there. You just can't. You

can't because you can't among other

things you can't let your kids and

grandkids end up in that